Newsflash
HE SUCKS
Yes this is definitely Kelly's fault.
hes awesome i mean
keep chip kelly hired
At this point let's root for the tank. 5-10 pick should net them a franchise QB. Kelly isn't going anywhere but he is partly at fault here. The play calling and his insistence on running hurry up is dumb. Why run a read/option with a QB who you know is not going to tuck it away and run? Makes zero sense and is really boneheaded to run it near the goal line.
Thought Barkley played half decent, made some nice throws. Had better zip on his passes than I thought he would. Not saying he's the answer but he might make a capable backup some day.
The one thing I will say the Kelly has been largely woeful in is clock management. It's happened numerous weeks. It again was in evidence today. End of first half you complete the ball to the 2 and you have first and goal at the 2 with 1:14 left and all your timeouts. Why in the world do you call a TO? If you score you give the Giants plenty of time. You want the clock to run. You also want to run the ball to make sure the clock ticks, not run a bootleg with an immobile rookie QB.
Then he goes for it on 4th and 9 down 12 on the 31 but punts 4th and 4 on the 47 down 15. Really really perplexing Reid-esque game management.
Barkley played okay when he knew what was going on. He's either very dumb with terrible accuracy, or doesn't know the playbook yet.
Quote from: General_Failure on October 27, 2013, 04:13:32 PM
Barkley played okay when he knew what was going on. He's either very dumb with terrible accuracy, or doesn't know the playbook yet.
Barkley seems to have no picked awareness yet. He holds the ball in the pocket instead of throwing it away. He has no grasp on where rushers are and when to get rid of the ball.
The more film the league gets on Kelly, the more prepared defenses are for him. Giants are the 1st team to get a 2nd look at Chipper and they went from giving up 36 in the first meeting to 0 in the 2nd.
And this "high powered" offense has now scored 3 pts in the last 2 games. AT HOME!
Awesome.
Doesn't matter who the coach is. You aren't scoring shtein with the QB play we've had the last two weeks
Quote from: BigEd76 on October 27, 2013, 04:22:29 PM
Doesn't matter who the coach is. You aren't scoring shtein with the QB play we've had the last two weeks
Some perspective in here? Craziness!
yea chip's been great
its the rookie qb's fault
I'd rather see a "Sell Lurie, Sell!" thread. He should stick to making sure his theatres are well stocked with Raisenettes, funding documentaries, film festivals and Asian porn.
Clock and game management are not his strengths and he better figure them out pretty damn quick.
Piss poor
Jesus Christ. The players quit today. Kelly has nothing to do with that.
Lol at clock management.
1 game out of 1st place at the halfway point of the season. CHIP
Quote from: Rome on October 27, 2013, 04:48:16 PM
Jesus Christ. The players quit today. Kelly has nothing to do with that.
Lol at clock management.
always good for the players to quit on a coach 8 games into his career...cant wait for the next 8
Everyone knows the players completely suck right? Didn't they look exactly like this last year? Nothing's changed. They haven't quit on anybody, they just suck. You could have Vince Lombardi coaching this team and they'd still be a steamy pile. I'm indifferent on Chip as a coach and I'm not going to sit here and talk about his shortcomings, because they don't matter. This team is so far from being able to really compete, he's going to be gone by then anyways.
Quote from: Don Ho on October 27, 2013, 04:33:28 PM
I'd rather see a "Sell Lurie, Sell!" thread. He should stick to making sure his theatres are well stocked with Raisenettes, funding documentaries, film festivals and Asian porn.
I'm down with this. Tired of Lurie.
During the pregame show on 97.5 one of the hosts brought up the question when do we start blaming Howie. Someone chimed in and said "Howie's not the type to break down film" to which Trot retorted "Guys like Ozzie Newsome do".
Howie's a no nothing who masks as a GM. When he was looking for a HC it didn't matter how good the HC was, as long as they ran the spread offense. He kept using the phrase 'trend' when referring to looking for a HC. He went after Brian Kelly, Bill O'brien, and Chipper...because they all run the spread offense. He's a nerdy statistical analysis dork and Lurie gets 100% of the blame for keeping him as the GM.
This team has no heart, no attitude, no character, no personality. I will cut Chip some slack. I was always highly skeptical about this offense and how it would translate into the NFL. He doesn't have a QB to run it. He has one legit receiver and a below average OL. The plethora of TE 's has not panned out. Shady can't do it by himself. Get him his QB, some descent receivers and let him work with that. Kelly is going to have continue to adapt this offense. It's quite evident that teams can keep up with the offense and it's pretty easy to figure out once you've seen it. 3 points in 8 quarters at home tells it all.
Quote from: SD on October 27, 2013, 05:16:51 PM
Quote from: Don Ho on October 27, 2013, 04:33:28 PM
I'd rather see a "Sell Lurie, Sell!" thread. He should stick to making sure his theatres are well stocked with Raisenettes, funding documentaries, film festivals and Asian porn.
During the pregame show on 97.5 one of the hosts brought up the question when do we start blaming Howie. Someone chimed in and said "Howie's not the type to break down film" to which Trot retorted "Guys like Ozzie Newsome do".
farging Trot! I love it!
And now we know why Ozzie didn't draft Trotter.
:-D I love you! :-D
igs' boys on PGL discussed the possibility of Chip leaving for USC or Texas for about 10-15 minutes
How do you even draw up a 15 minute contract?
It's Chip Kelly, so time of possession doesn't matter.
Bada Boom and Bada Bing!
Quote from: Sgt PSN on October 27, 2013, 05:40:17 PM
It's Chip Kelly, so time of possession doesn't matter.
haha
if i never see another shotgun draw again it will be too soon
the guy is so far out of his league in the nfl its not even funny....remember 6 years ago he was coaching new Hampshire
athens georgia here we come
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 27, 2013, 06:07:17 PM
if i never see another shotgun draw again it will be too soon
the guy is so far out of his league in the nfl its not even funny....remember 6 years ago he was coaching new Hampshire
athens georgia here we come
I would've taken a shotgun draw on 1st and goal at the 2 when you're trying to drain clock anyway instead of running a bootleg with Matt Barkley.
he has zero ability to adapt
for the last two weeks the defense knows they dont have a qb who can run yet he keeps running read option even tho the ends are crashing downhill on shady every play....its beyond ridiculous
Chip:read option::Reid:play action
Let's continue to blame the coach because the gutless cowards on the field aren't beating the guys in front of them.
hire kotite?
Romey are you saying Chip gets no blame today?
Letting Barkley keep running read option
Going for it
Not calling a run to get points before half with a rookie QB who got minimal practice snaps
Punting it
Not adapting his offense to game situations
Yes. Saying he's not the biggest problem means he's not to blame at all. Coach of the Year.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 27, 2013, 07:41:08 PM
Romey are you saying Chip gets no blame today?
Post game Romey comments make it almost worth coming to this site
Just going with Vick when he's obviously not ready, and not really preparing Barkley for this week (by all evidence, at least) gives Kelly a steam-shovel worth of blame.
I'm just glad to see Brandon Graham getting some action. He's turning the corner now and I expect he'll dominate next year.
Do when did trent cole get cut ?
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 27, 2013, 07:41:08 PM
Romey are you saying Chip gets no blame today?
Letting Barkley keep running read option
Going for it
Not calling a run to get points before half with a rookie QB who got minimal practice snaps
Punting it
Not adapting his offense to game situations
Exactly how many missed tackles, gator arm missed catches or dirt diving out of bounds to avoid getting hit was Chip involved in?
They got farging manhandled at home against a 1-7 team. It was the worst display of athletic cowardice I've ever seen as an Eagles fan. Kelly had nothing to do with those Hoydas laying down, Jay.
He made some awful decisions and he's definitely at partial fault for the loss but the players displaying no fight or heart when things started going south is a million times worse than a mind cramp in the second quarter by the head coach.
lol at the hyperbole. "worst display of athletic cowardice I've ever seen as an Eagles fan" get a grip dude.
kelly had a horrendous day calling plays, made terrible clock decisions and came into the game with his rookie QB#2 inadequately prepared to play.
not sure why you are bending over backwards to defend him but it looks ridiculous.
the defense has given up 29 pts in the last 8 quarters....that should be more than good enough for chippers offense to get two wins...are his hands tied at the qb position....certainly.....but he is also killing the team with his colock management....play calling and overall offensive game plan
hes clearly not ready for this level yet
one of the worst responses i heard chip make this morning was when he told angelo that "we are going to continue to do what we do regardless of who is at qb...." then followed it up by defending the onsides saying along the lines that your just giving up yards at that point, the clock is what matters.
4 minutes chip.....4.
Quote from: Rome on October 28, 2013, 10:05:46 AM
Kelly had nothing to do with those Hoydas laying down, Jay.
the coach takes zero blame for a team laying down ?
i dont even get where the laying down thing is coming from....how did they lay down?
and yes if they did do that what does that say about chip who has already lost a team less than two months into his first season??
i think that might be faster than even spurrier
Playing as bad as they actually are is laying down.
It's all Chips fault. Got it.
hi im shady, you know one of the best rb's in the game - nah dont give me the ball on the 2yard line, let the unprepared rookie qb rollout and try to create a play. :boom
playcalling like that loses a roster quick.
Quote from: Rome on October 28, 2013, 11:23:09 AM
It's all Chips fault. Got it.
stop being a passive aggressive woman and explain your points? how are they laying down? the defense has gotten better and is playing with as much or more intensity than they did to begin the year.
the offense has become this predictable hunk of shtein in which they either zone read shady into the line or they throw some 5 yard flat routes.
he came in as an offensive genius, and was living up to that early in the season. the eagles were moving the ball and because they had a functioning retard at qb they couldn't score in the red zone. however, they have scored 10 pts in the past two games at home against division rivals with zesty defenses. 7 of those points were by the special teams. ZERO TOUCHDOWNS in two games at home. with all the same personnel. how are you not looking at him first?
enough of the abstract "laying down" shtein....what is kelly doing well that you like?
Nothing. He sucks and should be fired immediately.
Quote from: Rome on October 28, 2013, 11:28:41 AM
Nothing. He sucks and should be fired immediately.
Quote from: SunMo on October 28, 2013, 11:27:23 AM
stop being a passive aggressive woman and explain your points
I like the fact that he's calling the plays and expecting his offense to carry them out. He's expecting accountability from his players. I like that he's continuing to run the ball a lot.
The guy is far from perfect and he's made some godawful decisions but this shteinfest is on the players shoulders from my perspective.
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at some point we all have to realize that the players aren't very good and they have limitations. riley cooper is starting for a nfl team, that is not the component of a good team.
so yes, he's calling his plays and expecting them to be run. but still, he has to understand his talent level and adjust, i haven't seen a lot of that. the oline has been a disappointment this year, they have not been as good as expected coming into the season.
all that being said, there has to be more to this offense than shotgun runs up the middle and play action off of that. where is the creativity?
as bad as hes been and hes been pretty bad if they have a legit nfl qb they win both the dallas and giant games
Quote from: SunMo on October 28, 2013, 11:47:44 AM
so yes, he's calling his plays and expecting them to be run. but still, he has to understand his talent level and adjust, i haven't seen a lot of that.
I'm totally on board for calling nothing but running plays, but Barkley has to figure out which way he needs to turn for handoffs first.
it would be nice if they had a rb who could hit a hole as well...all shady does is go laterally up the line...stutter step then turn and go the other direction and take a dive
and bryce brown is a joke as far as busting it up field
also again for god sakes get out of the read option set wheny you dont have a qb who can run....no one on defense is going to respect that look
I'd prefer it if they lined up 10 guys with Jackson split out wide and ran the ball 50 times a game.
How would Shady react to that? Bryce Brown has been hideous. Chris Polk is non existent. The tight ends can't block and the receivers other than Jackson are pathetic.
PS - How can you be creative when the offense can't even be counted on to run the base plays with precision?
well you're all wrong ... rendell said it's the fans fault.
The fault starts with Howie. He is a horrible GM and I think they need to give Chip more time and a real QB. I am encouraged that the defense has looked better the last two weeks.
phillycrew, until I see some consistent pass-rush from the front 3 or 4 line-men, this defense ain't shtein. I don't care what the linebackers or secondary does.
Maybe we're so bad that I'm focusing on this, but I like the energy that Barkley brings to the QB spot. Sadly, the guy hasn't been able to put one good drive together...but I see some potential there. He's a rookie, so I expect this shtein, but I woudn't mind giving it to him the rest of the way to see what he has. He's definitely not gun shy like Foles. I can't speak on Vick because well, we all know what we have in Vick.
I think our corners have been doing an admirable job considering I thought they'd completely blow ass the whole year and they seem to make more plays than I think them capable of doing.
Problem is, I don't know if this team is on it's way up or down. Seems more down than up with so many question marks.
Can we at least get a decent kick-returner? I'm tired of having these 5ft nothing midgets returning the shtein with no size or speed. Does Papale have a grandson or something that can try out?
From Barnwell's column:
QuoteWell, it didn't take long for the NFL to figure out the Chip Kelly offense. Over the past two weeks, Kelly and his vaunted offense have been held to exactly three points, with the Cowboys limiting them to a field goal before the lowly Giants shut out the Philadelphia offense on Sunday. Only a special teams touchdown on a botched punt could get Philly on the board, and even that wasn't enough to produce a victory for the rapidly fading Eagles.
This is the story that's beginning to surround the Kelly offensive attack; that it was effective for one half against the taterskins, and once the league figured out you could man up the receivers and take away DeSean Jackson, it was lights out for the naive college coach who thought he could bring his silly "numbers" to the NFL. Even worse, it's vanilla. Nothing produced at Oregon is vanilla! Neon vanilla, maybe.
Anyway, that story is just flat-out untrue. The Eagles do have their issues on offense right now; it's hard to score three points over two games without having problems. But they were plenty successful after the taterskins game, and they're not being schemed out of opportunities by adapting defenses. They're creating opportunities and failing to execute upon them. And that reveals what might be the biggest difference between what Kelly was able to do in college and what he can get away with this year in the pros.
First, the idea that the Eagles' offense had somehow stalled out after the first half of the taterskins game is just inaccurate. They scored 33 points in that game ... and then averaged 26.6 points over their next five games, one of which came against the best defense in the league, Kansas City. (The Eagles scored 16 points in that game and produced 431 yards of offense, nearly 100 more than anybody else has against the Chiefs this season.) Philadelphia was fourth in the league in points per game heading into that Dallas game, and even better, it was second in the league in offensive DVOA. This isn't even up for debate; if you think the Eagles weren't playing well on offense before the Cowboys game, you are objectively wrong, and it's not particularly close. I'm not sure how much simpler I can make it than that.
So, what's happened to the Eagles over the last two games? Matt Barkley happened. With injuries to Nick Foles (concussion) and Michael Vick (hamstring) forcing the Eagles away from their starting quarterback in each of these last two games,4 they've had to turn the ball over to their rookie third-string quarterback for significant reps, especially against the Giants. That hasn't been pretty; Barkley has thrown four interceptions, fumbled three times, and dropped a couple of snaps amid his 49 dropbacks these past two weeks. Barkley's a rookie fourth-round pick, which means he's not ready to play this early in his career, regardless of which system he gets thrown into. We were spoiled last year by Russell Wilson.
Furthermore, when the nominal starters have been in the game, they haven't been effective. Vick was a shell of himself Sunday, struggling with his mobility within the pocket and his mechanics as a passer. He reaggravated his hamstring injury and had to come out during the first half. Foles suffered a concussion that forced him out, but before that, he was simply having a poor game. As the indispensable Sheil Kapadia noted, Foles left a number of big plays on the field against the Cowboys. Kapadia suggested that average quarterback play would have netted 300-plus yards and 20-plus points against the Cowboys, given how many times receivers were open for big plays. And that speaks to how Kelly's system is creating opportunities; it just needs a skilled quarterback to actually capitalize on those opportunities and recognize open receivers.
I think that's the biggest difference between what Kelly was able to do at Oregon and what he might need to do to succeed in the long term in Philadelphia: His offense will require a good quarterback. At Oregon, Kelly basically ran through a series of middling options at quarterback and got great work from just about everybody he tried: Dennis Dixon, Jeremiah Masoli, and Darron Thomas all had success with Kelly as relatively unheralded (or, in Dixon's case, relatively unsuccessful) options at quarterback. Marcus Mariota was a three-star recruit coming out of Hawaii, but he was the most productive quarterback Kelly had at Oregon, and that was as an 18-year-old redshirt freshman.
At the professional level, the windows Kelly's offense creates are smaller, and the decision-making his quarterback needs to perform has to be done faster and more reliably than the speed at which his current options operate. Foles misses too many big plays. Vick holds on to the ball too long and isn't accurate. Barkley is a project at best. Philadelphia's quarterback of the future — the guy who will eventually prove whether the Kelly offense can sink or swim in Philadelphia — isn't on the roster right now. The Eagles will almost surely draft a quarterback in the talent-rich class of 2014, and it wouldn't be a surprise if they picked Mariota.
Until then, the Eagles will probably be a pretty good offense that takes an unnecessary amount of flak for being unconventional. As long as they're starting an overmatched midround rookie in Barkley, they're going to look bad on offense, because that's what happens to overmatched midround rookies. Then again, just as I cautioned with the Bengals, remember how low Washington sank during the middle of last season. Its hot start on offense gave way to a disappointing halfway point, including two games in which it scored a combined 25 points against the Steelers and Panthers. The taterskins came back after their bye and scored more than 25 points in six of their seven ensuing games. If the Eagles can get Vick or Foles active and healthy, they should be an above-average attack. And once they get Mariota or some other hotshot young quarterback whom Kelly can mold into his system, they'll be even better.
So Kelly will need a great quarterback to have a great offense?
why did it take that idiot 4000 words to say the same thing i said on the last page in 17
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 28, 2013, 11:51:42 AM
if they have even a legit nfl starting qb they win both the dallas and giant games
because you both are rocket scientists...great work.
One of you is paid by the word, the other is paid to poop.
more likely one of us is a fan of advanced metrics and one of us is a fan of football
When you're done patting yourself on the back can we get back to the discussion ?
patting myself on the back for knowing their qb's suck....what?
more like if you didnt know that you should shoot yourself in the ear
Stating the glaringly obvious is one thing if you're a random person on a MB.
A supposedly professional journalist doing it is another. That shtein was embarrassing.
exactly my point....and writing a manifesto to explain it is even worse
Quote from: hbionic on October 28, 2013, 05:30:29 PM
phillycrew, until I see some consistent pass-rush from the front 3 or 4 line-men, this defense ain't shtein. I don't care what the linebackers or secondary does.
Maybe we're so bad that I'm focusing on this, but I like the energy that Barkley brings to the QB spot. Sadly, the guy hasn't been able to put one good drive together...but I see some potential there. He's a rookie, so I expect this shtein, but I woudn't mind giving it to him the rest of the way to see what he has. He's definitely not gun shy like Foles. I can't speak on Vick because well, we all know what we have in Vick.
I think our corners have been doing an admirable job considering I thought they'd completely blow ass the whole year and they seem to make more plays than I think them capable of doing.
Problem is, I don't know if this team is on it's way up or down. Seems more down than up with so many question marks.
Can we at least get a decent kick-returner? I'm tired of having these 5ft nothing midgets returning the shtein with no size or speed. Does Papale have a grandson or something that can try out?
You are right and I should have clarified. I think we have a horrible talent gap on defense and it starts with Howie. They had two good games but there is still a problem there.
in no way am i trying to oversell the defense....its not good.....but four games in a row they have given up 21 or less pts and only one other team in the nfl has done that this year
half way thru the season the offense and defense imo are equal parts to blame
The defense seems to progressively be getting better while the offense is getting progressively worse.
The one thing that Kelly seemed to have going for him was that he would tailor the offense to best suit the players on the field......specifically the QB. But that's the exact opposite of what we saw when Barkley came in. Granted, Barkley wasn't taking 1st team reps throughout the week, so the game plan was built around the premise that Vick would be on the field for all 4 quarters, but you also knew going in that Vick wasn't 100% so if Barkley wasn't prepared, that falls squarely on Chip.
Also, since you knew Vick wasn't completely healthy then you probably should have been a lot more prepared to run plays that play to Barkley's strengths instead of his weaknesses. Chip was either too stubborn to adjust the play calling once Barkley came in the game or he was too stupid to. Either way, he absorbs 100% of the blame for that as well.
There's a top 3 RB in your backfield, not Darnell Autry. Feed him the ball. Run a couple screens. Run some max protect packages that only have 2 receiver/TE routes so that your rookie QB can make quick reads and either throw a pass or just get rid of the ball and try again on the next down.
Just like we used to mock Reid with running play action when everyone knew he was throwing, Chippy deserves the same amount of ridicule for continuously running the read option with Barkley when there's practically no threat of Barkley keeping the ball himself. And even if he did keep the ball once or twice, it's not like Barkley is picking up big chunks of yardage on his own.
i had to watch the game again to see if i imagined the rollout play with barkley that turned into a fumble at the 2.
i didnt hear if chip had a reason for that play if was a designed rollout or if barkley tried to do something on his own.
People want creativity from Kelly AND three handoffs to Shady at the three.
No doubt I would have packed em in tight and done that but it's funny that when he does something unexpected or off the cuff he's all of a sudden not ready for the NFL.
The guy is learning. He has to have time to settle in and learn the nuances of the pro game. I mean shtein... Andy Reid was horrible his first year. He was never Don Shula but he got better. Give the dude some time to sort it out before we call for his scalp.
actually andy got worse as he went along
andy also was on nfl coaching staffs for a long time and superbowl winning ones at that with all kinds of great minds around him
chip was at new hampshire a few years ago has never sniffed the nfl and is probably only suited for the college game
Reid was 5-11 his first year and got better until it fell apart in 2005. That's six years and you're ready to shteincan Kelly after half a season.
And stop bringing up New Hampshire as if that initial experience (which he was successful at) has anything to do with him now. He's a young and smart guy without the sort of talent needed to win in his system.
So what people cant question mistakes now ? Im not asking for his head but you do not need to be don shula to know maybe you dont call a play like that with a rookie qb who barely took reps during the week.
just because a team wins doesnt mean the head coach is coaching well....andy got noticeably worse in game management as his tenure went along...some of that may be because we kept seeing the same things over and over....but he wasnt a better coach in 2004 because they made the superbowl than he was in 2005 when they missed the playoffs
Quote from: smeags on October 29, 2013, 11:30:53 AM
i had to watch the game again to see if i imagined the rollout play with barkley that turned into a fumble at the 2.
i didnt hear if chip had a reason for that play if was a designed rollout or if barkley tried to do something on his own.
100% it was a call to move the qb out of the pocket and then have the option to throw it to pimp at the goal line to the te (i think it was celek) running in the back of the end zone or run it in.....the problem is that play is drawn up with a running qb in mind (mike vick) and if vick had been in there and gets the edge on thomas and he scores...but if you are chipper you have to dry erase that play from your card if barkley is in the game and he just didnt do it
Quote from: Rome on October 29, 2013, 11:47:13 AM
Reid was 5-11 his first year and got better until it fell apart in 2005. That's six years and you're ready to shteincan Kelly after half a season.
Reid had a lot less talent to work with especially on offense.
I give Chip 3 years. Year one he gets his feet wet. Year two he gets his QB. Year 3 if they don't resemble a contender or at the very least are a playoff team he needs to go.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on October 29, 2013, 11:11:55 AM
The one thing that Kelly seemed to have going for him was that he would tailor the offense to best suit the players on the field......specifically the QB. But that's the exact opposite of what we saw when Barkley came in.
Barkley can't run and can't hit a receiver to save his life. What are you supposed to do to tailor an offense to that?
snap it straight to shady ? :sly
QuoteZach Berman @ZBerm 33s
Barkley has never taken a rep with that goal-line play Chip called. Barkley said he's watched it and seen it on film, but different in game
chip was being creative.
Quote from: SD on October 29, 2013, 12:28:30 PM
Quote from: Rome on October 29, 2013, 11:47:13 AM
Reid was 5-11 his first year and got better until it fell apart in 2005. That's six years and you're ready to shteincan Kelly after half a season.
Reid had a lot less talent to work with especially on offense.
I give Chip 3 years. Year one he gets his feet wet. Year two he gets his QB. Year 3 if they don't resemble a contender or at the very least are a playoff team he needs to go.
3 years is all sorts of reasonable. Probably more reasonable than I'd be.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 29, 2013, 02:25:38 PM
QuoteZach Berman @ZBerm 33s
Barkley has never taken a rep with that goal-line play Chip called. Barkley said he's watched it and seen it on film, but different in game
Barkely has no pocket awareness. Regardless of familiarity with the play, and how bad of a play call it was, Barkley has to know to throw the ball away there. He and Foles both seem allergic to that.
I know you aren't saying so, but I have to point out that Vick could hardly be praised for his pocket awareness and knowing when to get rid of the ball. Of the three, Foles is best on this point.
Quote from: Diomedes on October 29, 2013, 05:09:17 PM
I know you aren't saying so, but I have to point out that Vick could hardly be praised for his pocket awareness and knowing when to get rid of the ball. Of the three, Foles is best on this point.
Vick holds onto the ball longer than Foles. My days of ever wanting to see Vick take the field as an Eagle are long gone. He does throw the ball away though after running around for too long. Foles and Barkley don't seem to be big fans of that. Hopefully it will come in time, I just was floored when Barkley, after avoiding the first sack, just didn't toss the ball away last week.
Barkley throws floaters.
QuoteZach Berman @ZBerm 33s
Barkley has never taken a rep with that goal-line play Chip called. Barkley said he's watched it and seen it on film, but different in game
chipper:
Quote"We're going to go to what we know the best, what everybody should understand is what we're going to do," he said. "If you ask everybody on our team, they know what we were going to call in that situation."
take the god damn points you college coach
Is there any chance we could launch this thread and its author into space?
No, the Russians charge too much.
How bout just the author then?
Twice as much.
might as well bring this bad boy back
for safe keeping
HA!
farg this college coach
go to usc you fat farg
Quote from: MDS on September 20, 2015, 08:46:35 PM
farg this college coach
go to usc you fat farg
finally
Quote from: SD on October 29, 2013, 12:28:30 PM
Quote from: Rome on October 29, 2013, 11:47:13 AM
Reid was 5-11 his first year and got better until it fell apart in 2005. That's six years and you're ready to shteincan Kelly after half a season.
Reid had a lot less talent to work with especially on offense.
I give Chip 3 years. Year one he gets his feet wet. Year two he gets his QB. Year 3 if they don't resemble a contender or at the very least are a playoff team he needs to go.
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bruce arians
QuoteChip Kelly is getting outcoached. It's that simple. Dan Quinn and Rod Marinelli, the defensive minds behind the Falcons and Cowboys, have come up with schemes to shut down Kelly's run game and there has been nothing he can do to fix it in-game. There are talent issues, of course, on the offensive line -- and I'll get to those -- but you don't have that kind of failure without systematic deficiencies. The Cowboys knew every time the Eagles were running and they knew the exact play. Kelly has used essentially only four run plays since coming to the Eagles and every team seems to know how he dresses them up pre-snap. As Chris Brown of Grantland pointed out on Twitter, "H-back off the line, inside zone away; tight end on the line, sweep towards the tight end; wide receivers adjust splits, pass. Rinse, repeat." His offense has become predictable and too reliant on tempo. When the run game isn't working, particular the inside zone plays, the offense looks drastically different. And when Kelly's offense slows down it gets ugly, the three and outs become quicker, and the defense suffers as a result. I'm not ready to count Kelly out. He's been down similar roads before, although ones not as treacherous. I recall last season when the run game was stagnant for two games and then made modest strides vs. the Rams and then broke out vs. the Giants. Kelly tinkered with his plays, had Nick Foles under center more often and moved LeSean McCoy around pre-snap. He needs to dig deep and counter the effective ways coordinators are defending his offense. It's not all about execution.
I don't know who wrote that but they're spot on. The o line has been atrocious but the LBs are shooting gaps as soon as the ball is snapped.
did chip really think the same playbook he used at new hampshire would work in the nfl
i hear miami is looking for a new coach, chip. its sunny and shtein down there.
He's a cold climate guy, Oregon, New Hampshire, philly. Penn state maybe
Quote from: SD on September 21, 2015, 03:13:10 PM
He's a cold climate guy, Oregon, New Hampshire, philly. Penn state maybe
he'd be a def upgrade from franklin.
Quote from: SD on September 21, 2015, 03:13:10 PM
He's a cold climate guy, Oregon, New Hampshire, philly. Penn state maybe
To bad Vermont doesn't have a NCAA football team. Maine would be nice.
I'm definitely over this dude....his coaching and his gm'img.
Best quote in the offseason was by Ray Diddy, he said Chips a mad scientist, and sometimes they create magic but other times they blow up the house.
I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. I hate judging moves before you see them. I bitched and moaned about the Marcus Smith pick but was still willing to give him a shot. Chip got his way how he wanted it.
I laughed my ass off today when chip said the reason maxie pad gave up the Terrence Williams score was because he was tired
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 21, 2015, 07:39:25 PM
chip said the reason maxie pad gave up the Terrence Williams score was because he was tired
The look on Cary Williams' face when he hears that
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Fire Chip, lure Jim Harbaugh away from Michigan?
Not gonna happen on both fronts, but one can dream.
Lurie lusts over Chip. It'll take at least back to back sub .500 seasons IMO for him to get canned.
lurie isnt firing chip....unless this thing gets to the 1-15 range...then maybe he wont have a choice
i dont see chip quitting, like others do. my read is he wants to be in the nfl above all else, though maybe im discounting his ego and hed bolt for college if lurie dare took away full control
What game do you see them winning to hit 1-15? Honest question.
if new orleans is starting luke mccown, it could be that one
or they win one for the chippah in the shady bowl
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 21, 2015, 07:39:25 PM
I laughed my ass off today when chip said the reason maxie pad gave up the Terrence Williams score was because he was tired
Maxwell said it himself
And yeah Chip isn't pulling a Petrino or Saban or Spurrier...he's here to stay until Lurie fires him
Maybe he should stop trying so hard to dare Lurie to fire him. Next up is gonna be a pic of Chip dragging his balls across Lurie's mail order bride's face while she sleeps.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 21, 2015, 08:27:35 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 21, 2015, 07:39:25 PM
I laughed my ass off today when chip said the reason maxie pad gave up the Terrence Williams score was because he was tired
Maxwell said it himself
Well that settles it then
The actual reason was because he played outside technique with no safety help behind him
Re-watch that play, he's like 30 yards back then he breaks on the slant and gives up. If there were one of those bubble thought things above his head it would have said "farg It"
Yep he had no angle on him and once he realized it he shut it down
Quote from: SD on September 21, 2015, 09:05:45 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 21, 2015, 08:27:35 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 21, 2015, 07:39:25 PM
I laughed my ass off today when chip said the reason maxie pad gave up the Terrence Williams score was because he was tired
Maxwell said it himself
Well that settles it then
also macie pad said it after chip did
anyway the point is chip is supposed to run some genius sports science program that gives his players a conditioning advantage over the rest of the league and now an excuse he's using for his guys is that they are tired?...pretty amazing I thought...Maxie's sleep monitor must have broke last week
In the d's defense theres no program on earth preparing them for what they went through the last game. TOP was 40:30 to 19:30 which is a disgrace. If he was legitimately tired that's fine but he clearly said "farg it" and made a lackluster effort. You could tell by his body language. We all knew it was over but there was over 4 minutes left in the game and it was only a two possession game.
i dont for a second doubt that he was tired...its just funny how all the chip bots in the media and the fanbase actually believed the sports science nonsense and included it as a reason why chip was a god and the eagles were going to the superbowl....like a smoothie and a sleep monitor is all of sudden going to have the eagles in better shape than any other teams....or kiko alonsos knees would be fine...then 120 minutes into the season kiko is hurt and chip is talking about his players being tired
this is farging pro sports....its not high school where a rich school can afford better equipment coaches training methods etc that would give them an advantage....guess what primarily wins at this level....talent...crazy i know
Bacon
I missed the part where fans and the media were saying that but I'll take your word for it. The sports science stuff is whatever to me, if you're an athlete who's made it to the pro level you obviously know what to eat and how to train without smoothies and sleep monitors.
its been going on for three years....peruse the internet for a couple of minutes and you will see pages and pages of stuff with words like revolutionary genius bucking the trend status quo etc...many all about how he is changing the league forever with his sports science and how his teams are in better shape and the league will never be the same again....its a complete joke
meanwhile the team has yet to win a playoff game and appears to actually be regressing....next level stuff indeed
finally, igy has something to be happy about, the eagles starting 0-2.
go ahead Sheldon, tell em all you told them so.
actually i thought they would beat dallas
but yes i have been telling everyone for three years from this board to my tailgate to my family to and friends everywhere to stop slurping a guy who was offensive coordinator at new hampshire a few years ago
look at the players on the roster not some johnny come lately genius college guy
i've never seen someone so happy that their favorite team is 0-2 and playing like garbage. :-D
on chip...he brought excitement to the eagles at a time when everybody was sick of the same old andy reid crap every year.
his philosophy is interesting & sometimes fun to watch...but it's not what wins in the nfl. you need talent. you need to be able to put long drives together on offense to keep your defense off the field. you need some "nasty" players with attitude. finesse football sucks & it rarely wins super bowls.
amazing how igy is the only one who didn't think chip was the answer. :-D
Quote from: smeags on September 22, 2015, 09:14:12 AM
amazing how igy is the only one who didn't think chip was the answer. :-D
He criticizes every coach/player. Show me a move he's ever liked on any of the 4 major teams. I'm a wait and see type of fan. It's fine to criticize Chip now but doing it before you've seen what he put on the field is ignorant.
Quote from: hunt on September 22, 2015, 09:04:22 AM
on chip...he brought excitement to the eagles at a time when everybody was sick of the same old andy reid crap every year.
his philosophy is interesting & sometimes fun to watch...but it's not what wins in the nfl. you need talent. you need to be able to put long drives together on offense to keep your defense off the field. you need some "nasty" players with attitude. finesse football sucks & it rarely wins super bowls.
you also cant have a bunch of robotic stepfords making up the locker room...they have no attitude passion or personality whatsoever...and football is so much about passion...part of this comes from the fact that they overhauled the roster in a very short period of time but a lot of has to do with chips culture as well...he views players no differently than he does a blocking sled or weight machine...they are just pieces that fit into his system...they arent people
also outside of demeco who cant play anymore they have zero leadership especially from the head coach...you cant be a 100% hands on dictator having your players fill out a form after practice everyday asking them to tell you how much sleep they had the night before but then also be an eccentric recluse within your own locker room....bellicheck for example has the dictator part down but his players are also super close to him and would run in traffic if he asked...chip passes his players in the hall and doesnt make eye contact...this shtein might not matter as much when you are winning but when you have a start like this its important to have strong leadership to fight you thru the tough times...there is zero of that on this team
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 27, 2015, 10:09:12 AM
im not even hating on chip...i have an open mind that he can win multiple superbowls still....
my how an 0-2 start for the eagles can even change the opinion of the greatest sports mind that's ever lived. 8)
Quote from: SD on September 22, 2015, 09:18:07 AM
Quote from: smeags on September 22, 2015, 09:14:12 AM
amazing how igy is the only one who didn't think chip was the answer. :-D
He criticizes every coach/player. Show me a move he's ever liked on any of the 4 major teams. I'm a wait and see type of fan. It's fine to criticize Chip now but doing it before you've seen what he put on the field is ignorant.
i liked the shady trade quite a bit...and you didnt need to see these guys on the field to know that they werent winning the division much less a superbowl contenderd....football is a sport of 22 moving pieces that all need to be in cohesion with each other...you cant overhaul a roster overnite and expect it to work...you also cant go into a season with two bum journeyman as 40% of your offensive line...josh huff cant be your number two wr...these are blatantly obvious things that dont need to be waited on and seen...and it wasnt even like i was predicting 3-13....9-7 i have them at...i think they are more or less around a .500 team i gave them 9 wins on account of a favorable schedule
i dont doubt chip is a good x and o guy but hes doesnt know how to put together and nfl team and the glorification of him over the last three years for someone that has never won a single thing in his life has been sickening
Quote from: smeags on September 22, 2015, 09:25:28 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 27, 2015, 10:09:12 AM
im not even hating on chip...i have an open mind that he can win multiple superbowls still....
my how an 0-2 start for the eagles can even change the opinion of the greatest sports mind that's ever lived. 8)
i still think he could as a head coach...but unless something seriously changes he cant as a gm...make him an x and o type coach get a real gm who gets achip a good qb and sure he could win some titles...worse coaches than him have won...problem is tho hes an egomaniacal power hungry stubborn bastich who i cant see giving up power or changing his ways at all
you also "accidentally" didnt include these things i said....
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 27, 2015, 10:09:12 AM
chip has sam bradford throwing to josh huff and a racist
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 31, 2014, 05:20:02 PM
I really like chip as a head coach....but players win....ideal situation would be chip staying and just being a head coach...Howie getting fired lurie hiring a new GM....hopefully youd end up with a mike holmgren ron wolf type scenario
if chip insists on only taking his type players then id rather have howie and a new coach
whatever you say Sheldon.
I honestly wish I could care enough about any of this to get upset. I have issues in my life that are far more taxing and distressing at this point. I watch the Eagles for a release of those pressures and I come here to discuss them, but still, for the sake of enjoyment. Some of you have serious priorities issues, but hey, count yourselves lucky for that. I wish I could.
bacon pot pie ?
offensive genius
QuoteLes Bowen @LesBowen 48s49 seconds ago
Josh Huff said a few times when he was lined up near Dallas sideline, they were calling out Eagles plays. Said problem is being addressed.
At least Chip covers his mouth up with his play sheet when he calls the plays in.
i think the predictability is the most disappointing thing. of course him taking over PP was a huge risk and not what he first came here for. but above all else he was supposed to be this innovative, unpredictable, big balls swinging dick coach. he tried that extra point gag one time and it got destroyed and he hasn't tried an innovative thing since. his first year he had some cool formations with the tackles out wide and other stuff like that but now it's so bland. even guys who have followed him for years like Chris Brown (smartfootball on twitter) are shocked that he's become so predictable. if this experiment is going to fail i would much prefer it fail while trying to go against the grain with everything, not the way it's happening now
hes been coaching like marty schottenheimer, too. punting on 4th and 2/3 from the + side of the 50...kicking a fg on 4th and inches....hes afraid just like every other coach
but he wasn't supposed to be, he was supposed to come in and not give a farg because he could always go back to college and get a cushy job in a second.
chicken shtein
I'm with that-- if you're going to lose, don't be boring while you do it.
its hard to be super creative when the other team has more talent than you...you can get creative with the formations all you want but when your best receiver by far is a slow second year slot guy and your next three are huff kkk and nelson agholar it kind of negates any scheming advantage you may have....how many times can you try and scheme darren sproles open on a linebacker...even ertz is now being covered by other teams corner backs because no one respects the wr's
bradford stinks right now as well...hes been off for two years so at least he has some sort of ceiling in the offense....but outside of agholar none of the skill positions players is going to get any better
its also a simple matter of time....people in this league get paid a lot of money to stop you and these people figured chip out after seeing him once...now chip has absolutely refused to adjust to that but at some point you need to bring in players who can beat other players regardless of scheme...andy did that with TO then pimp then mack....you cant spend your entire career in this league with james thrash torrance small and todd pinkston as your wr's...chip has gone from pimp and mack to matthews and huff...you cant downgrade like that and not have it hurt you
also mathis and herremans -----------> barbre and gardner but i was talking about skill position players
its absolutely staggering how big the downgrade has been at these positions....like how do you spend 25 million bucks guaranteed money on running backs in the offseason and then do what he did with the line
he also somehow has take one offensive lineman in three drafts yet has made ths skill positions worse while not significantly imporving the defense...youd think if you completely ignore one area of the team that by definition your are drastically improving need areas....but not chip
it all defies logic
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 22, 2015, 03:08:15 PM
also mathis and herremans -----------> barbre and gardner but i was talking about skill position players
its absolutely staggering how big the downgrade has been at these positions....like how do you spend 25 million bucks guaranteed money on running backs in the offseason and then do what he did with the line
he also somehow has take one offensive lineman in three drafts yet has made ths skill positions worse while not significantly imporving the defense...youd think if you completely ignore one area of the team that by definition your are drastically improving need areas....but not chip
it all defies logic
this is it for me. if you're going to part ways with the talent you had and load up on rbs, how the hell do you take a shtein on the online ?
as zesty as Andy was when it came to personnel (WRs, LBs, S) he at least knew that he had to load up the oline to win.
did Kelly forget the head stomping foles took last year when the oline last looked like this ?
Quote from: SunMo on September 22, 2015, 03:13:21 PM
as zesty as Andy was when it came to personnel (WRs, LBs, S) he at least knew that he had to load up the oline to win.
hes completely stubborn...but theres a fine line between stubborness and imcompetance...andy was the former chip appears to be the latter
the culture and scheme shtein is so played out at this point but you cant help but go back to it just because its so baffling...the guy honestly believes at the nfl level that culture and scheme can win over talent...it seems so ridiculous to say that but what other explanation is there
also speaking of incompetance....theres been like five games in chips short career thus far where we have heard that the other team knew what every play was gonna be before the eagles ran it...what the farg?...people brush this shtein off like chip had some bad clock management when its nothing short of a fireable offense...if this happened to rich kotite or jim schwartz there would be an uproar of epic proportions...but somehow chip gets a pass
let me repeat....the other team has on numerous occasions known what play the eagles are going to run before they run it....that shtein shouldnt happen in pop warner
you know roseman is loving this right now.
Oh yeah Howie is stroking himself raw because of this
And good point by Mr Sunny Mo on the predictability and big balls attitude. Chip has been very tame and I expected much more. Stop punting it or kicking a farging FG when your kicker is icy cold and it is 4th and 1.
taking chances on fourth one is five millionth on the list of problems right now....farg big balls how about the other team not knowing what play you are going to run
then after that how about some positive yardage....then a score of two then a couple wins...then worry about big balls
is it like this all season on here ???
you love chip.
no, i don't. i only "more than like" him.
no, you LOVE him.
nuh uhh.
repeat 10 gajillion times.
Quote from: hunt on September 22, 2015, 04:17:43 PM
is it like this all season on here ???
you love chip.
no, i don't. i only "more than like" him.
no, you LOVE him.
nuh uhh.
repeat 10 gajillion times.
hi, you're new here. welcome to the board.
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 22, 2015, 03:19:05 PM
hes completely stubborn...but theres a fine line between stubborness and imcompetance...andy was the former chip appears to be the latter
the culture and scheme shtein is so played out at this point but you cant help but go back to it just because its so baffling...the guy honestly believes at the nfl level that culture and scheme can win over talent...it seems so ridiculous to say that but what other explanation is there
That what scares the shtein out of me, his incompetence. The whole lack of addressing the OL issue is mind boggling. Several of you called out how the OL was aging and aging real fast three years ago. To not address this situation since his first draft three years ago is sheer stupidity.
Quote from: hunt on September 22, 2015, 04:17:43 PM
is it like this all season on here ???
you love chip.
no, i don't. i only "more than like" him.
no, you LOVE him.
nuh uhh.
repeat 10 gajillion times.
Fit the word homer in there somewhere and you nailed in
Quote from: Don Ho on September 22, 2015, 06:31:47 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 22, 2015, 03:19:05 PM
hes completely stubborn...but theres a fine line between stubborness and imcompetance...andy was the former chip appears to be the latter
the culture and scheme shtein is so played out at this point but you cant help but go back to it just because its so baffling...the guy honestly believes at the nfl level that culture and scheme can win over talent...it seems so ridiculous to say that but what other explanation is there
That what scares the shtein out of me, his incompetence. The whole lack of addressing the OL issue is mind boggling. Several of you called out how the OL was aging and aging real fast three years ago. To not address this situation since his first draft three years ago is sheer stupidity.
i wish it was stupidity....if he was a dumb guy he never would have been hired or youd have reason to fire him right now....hes actually a super smart guy.....it aint a lack of intelligence its an over abundance of hubris
chip killin the players...says the other team knowing what the plays are is not the problem...the execution is and the eagle players are just making excuses for not being able to block or tackle
also totally dismissing josh huff saying that he heard dallas players calling out the eagle plays...chip says "i just talked to josh and he said he didnt hear that"....lol
that's probably not good for the #culture
pretty cool that espn showed the whole thing....man did chip look more miserable and angry than usual when he has to do those things
i think in college there's 1 mid week availability and a conference call for the pac 12
maybe thatll suit him better
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 23, 2015, 10:57:33 AM
chip killin the players...says the other team knowing what the plays are is not the problem...the execution is and the eagle players are just making excuses for not being able to block or tackle
also totally dismissing josh huff saying that he heard dallas players calling out the eagle plays...chip says "i just talked to josh and he said he didnt hear that"....lol
If you have the TALENT to execute, you could give the opposing coach your playbook a week before the game and it wouldn't matter. Talent trumps scheme and schemes are made up when your players lack talent.
yeah even tom brady is gonna suck if the other team knows whats coming....theres a reason new england videotaped other teams offensive signals....walk thrus and practices
the pats also changed up their scheme every week...granted it helps to have brady who is probably the best ever....but depending on what BB sees through his cheating theyll run it 100 times or pass it 100 times...go empty....go 4 tes...whatever
chip runs the same 4 plays over and over again because culture
I thought hyperbole was well understood round these parts.
Point is, if you have superior talent then predictability becomes less relevant.
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 23, 2015, 10:57:33 AM
chip killin the players...says the other team knowing what the plays are is not the problem...the execution is and the eagle players are just making excuses for not being able to block or tackle
also totally dismissing josh huff saying that he heard dallas players calling out the eagle plays...chip says "i just talked to josh and he said he didnt hear that"....lol
I mean...is he wrong? It IS on the players because they have sucked.
he's sucked right along with them too...but he's doing what Andy didn't - say when they suck
Maybe you shouldn't publicly throw your players under the bus like a bitch. For all Andy's faults, he got that part right up until the end.
I need to hear how he said it but I don't always hate when guys get called out
He's not saying anything everyone here hasn't said. Hell, the players themselves have said it
Quote from: General_Failure on September 23, 2015, 02:19:21 PM
Maybe you shouldn't publicly throw your players under the bus like a bitch. For all Andy's faults, he got that part right up until the end.
and this board was filled with complaints that he never did.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 23, 2015, 02:16:01 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 23, 2015, 10:57:33 AM
chip killin the players...says the other team knowing what the plays are is not the problem...the execution is and the eagle players are just making excuses for not being able to block or tackle
also totally dismissing josh huff saying that he heard dallas players calling out the eagle plays...chip says "i just talked to josh and he said he didnt hear that"....lol
I mean...is he wrong? It IS on the players because they have sucked.
he's sucked right along with them too...but he's doing what Andy didn't - say when they suck
you never throw your players under the bus....once you lose them its over...with chip its even more tenuous because he has to first convince all his players that his weird ways of doing things is revolutionary like everyone has said it is....he has to have people respect a guy who undeservedly was given historic amounts of control...a guy who has jettisoned talent over culture...and like sunny said...rippin your own players and making them back track off things they have said is not good culture...but perhaps chip truly is the genious people think he is and he has enough of his kind of people in there now that he has effectively brainwashed them into being ok with whatever he says or does....what happend with josh huff today was really remarkable....but huff is his adopted son going back to oregon...it remains to be seen how the rest of the room reacts to chip as they continue to lose and potentially unravels
i still wouldnt do it but i suppose you could rip your players if youve won a lot in the league....even then its rare that you ever see it...people who say nothing like andy or bellicek dont do it nor do colorful guys like pete carroll or rex ryan...not that theres is a long list of them but coaches who rip players i imagine are thin skinned clowns coaches like ditka....they may have been out there but i dont specifically remember anyone ever wanting andy to rip players they mostly just wanted him to have some personality and say anything about anything above and beyond his two or three stock answers...i know my biggest frustartion with him was that he never showed that he cared about losing....im in my living breaking shtein up and hes saying the same farging thing every week...i wanted him to care as much as i did and he acted like he didnt care at all
ive been fine with chips pressers uo to now...his snarkyness and disdain for the media while not my cup of tea is fine when you are winning...its ok if it shows confidence...if its a sign of insecurity then it becomes a problem
I just find it funny that when Andy said zilch people ripped him. Now Chip calls out , and quite frankly it isn't even calling out, but rather tells it like it is he's getting heat. Being 0-2 has a lot to do with it but the facts are the facts.
I agree with losing the locker room so he has to tread lightly. Now if they were winning and he was nitpicking and calling people out...that is bad.
The thing with Huff...I don't get why he'd say that. He can dance around that much better than he did.
I will watch the PC when I get home.
Bottom line...they better win. If this snowballs then we're going to see some epic shtein
so the eagles should try and win on sunday?
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 23, 2015, 05:35:07 PM
I just find it funny that when Andy said zilch people ripped him. Now Chip calls out , and quite frankly it isn't even calling out, but rather tells it like it is he's getting heat.
People ripped Andy for saying every week he's got to do a better job and then never doing a better job, not because he didn't call people out. Maybe some mouth-breathing talk radio callers ripped him for it, but what won't they get up in arms about?
Quote from: MDS on September 23, 2015, 05:47:43 PM
so the eagles should try and win on sunday?
yes...not saying they will win but the jets are super beatable and then you have wash...they could easily be 2-2 a week from sunday and tied for first in the division...i dont think it really matters who dallas plays they are going to go into the tank imo but if you take a look at their schedule in a few weeks they have a patriots giants seahawks eagles four pack coming up
yikes
Quote@LRiddickESPN Takes about 10 min of film study to get some huge tendencies/keys on the #Eagles run game that would give defenses a tremendous advantage.
That's a retarded comment. The Eagles had one of the best running games in the league the last two years under Kelly, yet now, all of a sudden, it's easy to stop? I guess it has nothing to do with the offensive line not, you know, blocking.
Moron.
Quote from: Rome on September 24, 2015, 06:41:16 AM
That's a retarded comment. The Eagles had one of the best running games in the league the last two years under Kelly, yet now, all of a sudden, it's easy to stop? I guess it has nothing to do with the offensive line not, you know, blocking.
Moron.
actually the eagles struggle with teams that have seen them before....no doubt the offensive line is worse this year but the chip kelly book has been put out there for all to see and the more people see it the easier he is to defend...remember everyone all giddy about demarco murray running downhill and how much of an improvenment he would be over shady who everyone said last year had a down year...his yards per carry were way down...he danced to much...didnt hit holes etc...maybe in reality the holes he was seeing two years ago werent there as much last year
so no this did not just crop up in the last two games
another big factor is the bludgeoning of the wr corps since chip has arrived....there is zero threat on the outside and even less of one deep....safeties are all up in their shtein now
The run game was horrible last season when most of the starters went down. As soon as they came back shady suddenly sprang to life. I think he was the leading rusher the second half of the season. It has about 10% to do with play calling and 90% to do with the talent on the o line. The bad part is we're not waiting for Mathis/Herremans to get healthy. We're stuck with what we have. They may improve slightly but I'm not expecting the turn around like what happened last season.
Quote from: SD on September 24, 2015, 08:12:05 AM
.... talent on the o line.
Wait, o lines are supposed to have talent? Oh, shtein....
The Packers won about 50 titles running four run plays. Confusing teams with trickery is not useful if your line can't block. This line hasn't blocked well and here we are.
Quote from: Zanshin on September 24, 2015, 08:21:50 AM
Quote from: SD on September 24, 2015, 08:12:05 AM
.... talent on the o line.
Wait, o lines are supposed to have talent? Oh, shtein....
What's really bad is Guards are the most easily replaceable position in the league, yet they can't find two competent ones.
Also I re-watched a few breakdowns of both games this week, it's not all the Guards, sure they blow, but Peters/Kelce are having by far their worst seasons. We're talking bad bad. Johnson has been par for the course, looks decent some times, looks average others. The TEs couldn't block Dan Bailey coming off the edge right now. Celek has been dreadful. The left side of the line is really really bad. Peters is missing assignments and they're peeling off too fast on their initial blocks and going to the second level blocking and missing that too. I don't think Barbre knows the zone blocking scheme of a left guard. He looks confused at who he should block. Gardner knows who to block he just blows. It's a comedy of errors. I fear for Bradfords safety this game. The Jets D is no joke. They hit motherfargers.
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Quote from: SD on September 24, 2015, 08:12:05 AM
.... talent on the o line.
Wait, o lines are supposed to have talent? Oh, shtein....
The Jets D is no joke. They hit motherfargers.
This is why they should have kept Tebow and started him this game. He never farged anyone's mother.
Quote from: Rome on September 24, 2015, 08:33:31 AM
The Packers won about 50 titles running four run plays.
lol this isnt 1950...people have coaches film and super advanced scouting and shtein...hell you can go back and get film from chips new hampshire games if you wanted
dont get me wrong chip has been horrendous in PP and i was calling him out a year ago for not addreessing the oline but there are teams with lines as bad or worse than the eagles who have way more than 70 rushing yards on the year
media and fans will try their best to give chip a pass because hes a godly coach and cant be ripped but this is on him...my god teams have been calling out what plays he is going to run before he runs them...stop and think about that for a second....and this started to happen last year this is not new to this season....i cant fathom how people can hear shtein like this and think its no big deal
Quote from: SD on September 24, 2015, 08:53:05 AM
Also I re-watched a few breakdowns of both games this week, it's not all the Guards, sure they blow, but Peters/Kelce are having by far their worst seasons. We're talking bad bad.
peters getting old and regressing was so predictable and kelce has always been overrated as shtein...hes really good in space...but in the trenches he gets worked on the regular...he really misses shadys ad libbing
Quote from: SD on September 24, 2015, 08:53:05 AM
What's really bad is Guards are the most easily replaceable position in the league, yet they can't find two competent ones.
they havent tried....20 draft picks and counting since they have taken an offensive lineman...and they havent taken a guard since the fireman...chip simply believes his system can overcome deficiences at a certain position
andy did the same thing with LB and WR....eventually he adapted, especially with WR.
something tells me the genius college coach will never adapt
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 24, 2015, 09:20:03 AM
chip simply believes his system can overcome deficiences at a certain every position
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 24, 2015, 09:20:03 AM
dont get me wrong chip has been horrendous in PP and i was calling him out a year ago for not addreessing the oline but there are teams with lines as bad or worse than the eagles who have way more than 70 rushing yards on the year
yeah, you were the only one calling Kelly out on that.
Quotemedia and fans will try their best to give chip a pass because hes a godly coach and cant be ripped but this is on him...
no they wont. both are ripping him to shreds.
now that they are 0-2 some people are
anyone can do that
id say you are smarter than that but you arent
lol at some. dude pull your head out of your fat ass ... you aren't as smart as you think you are Sheldon.
gonna go head and help my man out here
smeags, a cool cat, is calling you "sheldon" because thats the name of a character on the big bang theory, a tv sitcom about intelligent nerds. sheldon is perhaps the smartest character, but yet the most social awkward. the show is awful.
now that you understand this reference, we can laugh at the hilarity of it
lol....i knew no matter what it meant it was next level not funny and made zero sense....i thought it had something to do with pg and sheldon brown but had no idea how that connected to me
btw ive heard of the big bang theory thank you
Gargano's show played the audio from Chip's presser with the NY media. it was funnier than just reading it. he was a total douche to them
(http://i.onionstatic.com/onion/5141/3/original/960.jpg)
t minus 4 seconds before a georgia booster calls chip kelly, offering him a blank check and all the smoothies his heart would desire
GO. AWAY.
Send him to Texas. Or Georgia. Or anywhere really. Just keep him south of the Mason Dixon line.
Athens, Los Angeles, Austin, Eugene, just get him the farg out of here
Quote from: Sgt PSN on October 04, 2015, 04:23:12 PM
Send him to Texas. Or Georgia. Or anywhere really. Just keep him south of the Mason Dixon line.
finally glad everyone is coming over to our side
me and you were anti team chip when he was hired and remained so thruout....I even called Georgia before his first game with the eagles
high ten?
Can someone get a comment from Lurie?
And it's about time for some Howie off the record rip jobs too.
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 04, 2015, 04:29:15 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on October 04, 2015, 04:23:12 PM
Send him to Texas. Or Georgia. Or anywhere really. Just keep him south of the Mason Dixon line.
finally glad everyone is coming over to our side
me and you were anti team chip when he was hired and remained so thruout....I even called Georgia before his first game with the eagles
high ten?
Haha...I remember telling you at a tailgate that i was becoming "cautiously optimistic" at some point during his 1st year. That feeling faded away during the 2nd half collapse last year and has morphed itself into flat out hatred this year. Seriously.....farg that guy. I used to love football and smoothies and he ruined both of them for me. Dick.
Don't blame smoothies for one man's poor decisions.
Chip Kelly: 21-15 with one playoff loss and currently 1-3
Andy in KC: 21-15 with one playoff loss and currently 1-3
chip is 2-6 since last thanksgiving
both wins at the meadowlands
quite likely the last meaningful game he will ever win
I know a lot of people are down on Chip now, but let's not forget in year one he took a crap team who nobody gave a chance in the world to and took them to the playoffs. They hadn't completed a long pass all year in order to suck in the Washington D, then boom, TD Riley! Washington never saw it coming. This reveals Chip's own special brand of diabolical genius.
Quote-- Kelly was asked about not using timeouts to keep clock for a last-ditch drive.
"Obviously, if we call timeouts, we're just saving clock for them to score," Kelly explained. "We're ahead in that situation, so we felt like, [defensive coordinator] Billy [Davis] always felt like we were in a good look. We were on the headset saying, 'If you need it, we can use it,' but he didn't feel like he needed it."
Read more at http://www.phillymag.com/birds247/2015/10/04/chip-kelly-we-cant-delay-season/#3AsTdPc7E9lfbjjr.99
Here he assigns responsibility of the loss to his DC, and by immediately throwing him under the bus he short circuits the media before they have a chance to grill Billy Davis about it, and we know how pesky that media is. NO other team has this kind of forward thinking. It's always head coaches saying the same old I have to do a better job blah blah blah shtein.
Same thing with Howie and the draft pick failures. Now we're getting to see Chipper's strategic draft and free agent moves as they come to fruition before our eyes. Each and every week we sometimes see fewer blown plays than the week before, and by methodically taking steps backward we'll ultimately end up right where we began year one, which was the playoffs. And isn't that really the goal? Chip is a coach who is ahead of his time, which was about 3 years ago. Few even recognize this kid of genius in its own time.
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Quote"Obviously, if we call timeouts, we're just saving clock for them to score," Kelly explained. "We're ahead in that situation, so we felt like, [defensive coordinator] Billy [Davis] always felt like we were in a good look. We were on the headset saying, 'If you need it, we can use it,' but he didn't feel like he needed it."
Chipper! The whole universe knew DC was going to score. This defense was done that last drive. They looked deflated and defeated. Do not ever listen to that clown Davis again. In a good look? Sure. They made Kurt Cousins look like Joe Montana.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 04, 2015, 06:06:06 PM
Chip Kelly: 21-15 with one playoff loss and currently 1-3
Andy in KC: 21-15 with one playoff loss and currently 1-3
who cares what reid is doing ... look at the other guys hired when chip was .. the cards stink, don't they ?
Don't normally get much of a chance to listen to sports radio with my schedule but Gargano is on fire this morning about chip. Reiterating what I was saying in that the game was lost when he decided to abandon everything that was working so well in the 2nd half on the last two drives in an attempt to basically kill the clock. The clock doesn't matter there and the team can't run the ball. You score a TD throwing and the game is over.
yeah he turtled up and tried to escape with a win
blood is in the water, should make for a fun presser.
so this franchise has no qb no coach no gm no talent no future
where do we go from here?
up ?
You optimistic fool.
chip:
team is one play away from being awesome
caleb sturgis is staying
he knows they have the right players
if they hit two fg's they are 3-1
demarco is doing a nice job
cant find any OL on the street
mathis would not have come back unless they renegotiated his deal
marcus smith didn't dress cause he even sucks at special teams
peace
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 05, 2015, 01:19:16 PM
chip:
cant find any OL on the street
no but I think you could find them in the draft
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mathis would not have come back unless they renegotiated his deal
bullshtein
yeah I could only laugh when he said in an incredulous manner how they cant just go out and find OL on the street
no shtein motherfarger but you could have found one or two over the last three years
It's one thing to let Mathis go if you're sure you have a suitable replacement. Same for Wost Manneans. But to look at what they had and come to the conclusion that they were fine there is just ridiculous.
I really think these guys get inside the fog of war bubble they operate in and simply don't see the shortcomings like outsiders clearly do.
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 05, 2015, 01:19:16 PM
chip:
team is one play away from being awesome
lolwut?
Quotecaleb sturgis is staying
Why?
Quotehe knows they have the right players
For Texas?
Quoteif they hit two fg's they are the worst 3-1 in the NFL
Fixed.
Quotedemarco is doing a nice job
Of not gaining yards.
Quotecant find any OL on the street
The same street he tossed 2 serviceable at worst OL?
Quotemathis would not have come back unless they renegotiated his deal
Let's say this is true. At least then part of the problems on the OL are because of a player holding out like a douchebag rather than because culture.
Quotemarcus smith didn't dress cause he even sucks at special teams
We know.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on October 05, 2015, 01:36:28 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 05, 2015, 01:19:16 PM
chip:
team is one play away from being awesome
lolwut?
he must have said four or five different times during the presser how if they make one more play a game they are an awesome team
That is some next level delusion right there.
its probably even true but the point he is missing is that your team doesn't make those plays because it isn't awesome
Yeah, that's a joke. They've been so consistently bad that even the team looks surprised when they have a stray play for positive yards.
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 05, 2015, 01:43:03 PM
its probably even true but the point he is missing is that your team doesn't make those plays because it isn't awesome
If they make 1 more play each game, they probably beat Atl and DC. But I'm pretty sure that there's much more to "being awesome" than a missed or made FG. That's basically what he's saying....if they had a better kicker, this team would be awesome. And that is the most ridiculous thing I've ever farging heard related to fooseball. But yeah, he's a genius.
this farger has no clue what is going to come his way as his smoothie express sinks.
its a small sample size, but between what i heard on the radio and at work today, people have turned on chip
this fire chip kelly thing is taking off. remember, i was first on it. then i jacked off to him. but i came back.
you were full chipbot
the fire chip wagon is me and sarge that's it that's the list and we were on it before he was even hired
Gosh, you're so cool.
I'm just about to the point now where igy was a few years ago with Banner Inc in that if Chip Kelly were to somehow guide this team to a SB, it would make me want to off myself watching him celebrate. I could deal with it if the Eagles already had a couple under their belt. But they don't and I'd borderline hate watching him raise a Lombardi trophy or lead the very 1st SB parade down Broad St.
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 05, 2015, 02:20:05 PM
you were full chipbot
the fire chip wagon is me and sarge that's it that's the list and we were on it before he was even hired
i started this jawn...in fact this year i said i liked chip the coach and wasnt sure about chip the gm. i still think chip is a good OC and maybe 1 day with more nfl experience could be a coach, but yea im not pretending i was on the fire chip bandwagon before he coached a game.
only the smartest among us was
Quote from: MDS on October 05, 2015, 02:30:39 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 05, 2015, 02:20:05 PM
you were full chipbot
the fire chip wagon is me and sarge that's it that's the list and we were on it before he was even hired
i started this jawn...in fact this year i said i liked chip the coach and wasnt sure about chip the gm. i still think chip is a good OC and maybe 1 day with more nfl experience could be a coach, but yea im not pretending i was on the fire chip bandwagon before he coached a game.
only the smartest among us was
so many lies in this
I think sunny is still full chip
DERP
how can one be full "fire chip" since before he was hired when one was still thinking he could win a super bowl before this train wreck season started ?
IGY's still mad he wasn't allowed on the Gus Bus.
I wanted arians #1, but I wont lie, chip was #3 on my list after bruce & gus.
Quote from: smeags on October 05, 2015, 02:53:15 PM
how can one be full "fire chip" since before he was hired when one was still thinking he could win a super bowl before this train wreck season started ?
j isn't even close to being fire chip
Every week Sanchez doesn't get to play, Phreak gets a little closer to the Fire Chip bandwagon.
i'm 85% in on chip the coach. 7% in on chip the gm
Yeah I am not ready to fire him...I'm giving him one more season.
One more season and he'll figure out how to get rid of the tackles to make room for another high priced RB.
Chip will go with the first "center only" OL
speaking of centers good god has kelce been bad
Yep...he's been bad. Its not just the poor blocking but the holding calls too.
He got a little bit too high on himself, I think.
If Kelce tells Mathis to block the guy in front of him chances are Mathis will manage it. Same goes for Johnson and Peters. The replacements? Yeah, not so much. It's not that they've played bad all the time. They haven't. But they haven't played consistently enough, especially in the run game, to sustain the drives that Chip insists on running like he did when he had a functional offensive line.
This is really all on Chip now. He has to adjust to the reality of the players he has available. If he doesn't tailor the offense to its strengths, he won't be there much longer. There's a reason NFL stands for not for long.
OL pass protect was actually very good in the 2h yesterday
and didn't the passing game do something with that time ?
I knew I had a 2015 benchmark for Chip in here somewhere.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on January 16, 2013, 03:36:32 PM
Yeah, it's not like I'm rooting for this to be a disaster (I don't see it really ending any other way though) but there is absolutely nothing about it that gives me a warm and fuzzy.
I definitely don't like how the whole thing went down and Chip Kelly looks like a flakey douche bag right now. He doesn't get the benefit of the doubt from me like a lot of other coaches might have. SB by 2015 or gtfo.
Bye Chiplesha
If he goes it's USC all the way. Pat Haden despises the lush he has coaching there now and would happily hand over the keys, the alumni is so hot today they'd push for Rich Kotite. Last night was devastating for the men of Troy. They were heavily favored to be one of the teams in the playoffs. There is a huge USC alumni base in Hawaii and my phone has been off the hook with texts regarding my thoughts on Chip. I respond by telling them "Don't ask me that now"
He is not going anywhere.
Stop this. Stop this now. For the love of God.
Haden hates sark so much he didn't even discipline him after the drunken banquet episode
chip to texas
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CQ-qFw9WIAAu84v.jpg)
Like to see Chip crowd surfed like that next year in the LA Coliseum.
Ok, ok, he can stay another week
He's still a moron for calling 2 plays on 4th down that have KKKooper as the #1 option.
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Sarkisian "on indefinite leave". Just saying.
I'm telling you the alumni and especially those with deep pockets are livid right now.
QuoteHaden's decision not to discipline Sarkisian after the August incident drew criticism. It continued Sunday.
Former USC linebacker Riki Ellison said in an email that the situation involving Sarkisian, and Haden's handling of it, was "an embarrassment to our University, our legacy, our tradition, our history, our players, our student athletes, our alumni. Inexcusable and complete inability to lead, let alone lead young men from the University of Southern California or any from any University, high school or professional organization.
"Both are responsible, both need to have consequences and both should not be representing the University of Southern California. People responsible for the hiring and for the continuation of their employment need to have consequences."
Alcoholism is a disease requiring treatment like any other. If Sarkisian is so messed up that he's getting tuned up before games, he needs immediately help.
gotta give chip props for mixing things up & having sam i am under center more this week. it really seemed to help the running game. see, chip isn't so stubborn after all.
in conclusion, supa bowl!
It was a nice offensive performance, but it was also one of the worst defenses in the league that they were facing.
I came to the conclusion that the Eagles probably aren't one of the 5 worst teams in the NFL. That's not much, but it's not nothing.
Quote from: QB Eagles on October 12, 2015, 11:36:57 AM
I came to the conclusion that the Eagles probably aren't one of the 5 worst teams in the NFL.
luckily as long as brandon weeden is a starter they play in a division that might have four teams in the bottom ten
Quote from: Rome on October 12, 2015, 06:31:40 AM
Alcoholism is a disease requiring treatment like any other.
A disease...gimme a break.
here we go again...nerd college football reporters who think the sun, the earth and the sport revolve around top 25 polls are putting out the chip to usc thing like its a legit possibility
im not being a chip bot or defending his gimmicky offense or questionable coaching and talent evaluation skills. im saying: dude aint leaving unless he gets fired. everyone knows this. except for small town dorks who jerk off to 17 year old high school running backs.
you and many others did the same thing with chip/mariota for months leading up to the draft
Like one dude said (ex Eagles scout)
Chip is making $6.5m has total control and answers to no one
Why would he voluntarily leave?
Why's he trying so hard to get fired?
Is he banging Yoko Lurie?
We just don't know, the press can't get anyone to tell them who he's banging.
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 12, 2015, 06:29:14 PM
you and many others did the same thing with chip/mariota for months leading up to the draft
you cant compare those 2 things
very real reporters were talking about actual trade talk...here fake reporters are throwing out chips name just to get a retweet
there was no actual trade talk it was people making shtein up for a story...same as now
the only reason the eagles media is not running with chip to college shtein is that in their minds it would hurt the eagles cause they worship chip and their readers don't wanna hear it
the Mariota stuff was a positive for everyone so it became a click bait love fest
Chip acknowledged interest, which means they inquired. Which means there were talks.
Smoke...fire.
and i thought about becoming a quantum physics professor once
doesnt matter what chip said or didnt say altho he continually denied it was going to happen and mocked the people who kept reporting bs....forget that tho any football fan or media member with an ounce of brian tissue knows you cant trade from 20 to 1 for anyone mkuch less a franchise qb...its never happened and it never ever will
the only person i ever heard all offseason to acknowledge how ridiculous it was was mighty les bowen...props to him...everyone else can die
I'm not saying there were ever serious talks, but Chip 100% acknowledged there was interest when he compared Mariota to a house and said they drove up to the house but didn't go inside because the price was too steep. You're right in that no one in their right mind thought it was going to happen, but to completely disregard there were talks is incorrect.
Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter
On @MikeAndMike, @finebaum just said he believes the two leading candidates for the USC HC job will be Chip Kelly and Kevin Sumlin.
finebaum doesnt know anyone associated with chip....hes a geezer jew from alabama
on top of that, his life revolves around sec football and by proxy the ncaa. so of course hes going to be of the mindset that usc is the end all, be all of football jobs. theres no doubt usc wants chip, but how can someone be a leading candidate for a job they personally have no interest in?
im hearing 50/50 to usc right now...but it still depends on how this season plays out
0% chance he goes
Quote from: SunMo on October 13, 2015, 10:08:52 AM
0% chance he goes
agreed
I want him gone, his ego won't let him be successful at the pro level but he has total control and the NFL is where the best go and he wants to be the best so he stays.
every coach has an ego. i'm not sure why his won't let him be successful, especially considering he has been successful.
Quote from: SunMo on October 13, 2015, 10:31:56 AM
every coach has an ego. i'm not sure why his won't let him be successful, especially considering he has been successful.
He doesn't know how to handle professional athletes. You don't release a Jaccson/Mathis etc. and not replace them. Jaccson at least he tried to bring in Matthews/Agholor and Huff, but Mathis was just a total farg up on his part. He didn't want to deal with Rosenhaus and Mathis and all that so he released him. This is the pro level, these are the problems he's going to have to deal with, just because a player wants a new contract or doesn't want to conform 100% to your system doesn't mean you just cast them off. These aren't college kids. You put your ego in check for the betterment of your team. I was fine with his offseason moves, even releasing Mathis, because I figured he had a plan to replace the Guards. Instead he figured he could just scheme around them and he has two good tackles and a good center. Doesn't work that way in the pros Chip.
i agree with all of that but id be semi ok with that part of it if he didnt have such a limited definition of what kind of player he wants....whether it be the culture part of it or the perfect body type or the versatility...each one of those taken on its own is a worthy want in a player but not at the expense of talent...who cares if a guy can only play guard if you can find someone to plug in at that position for the next 10-12 years then you do it...or who cares if a defensive end has short arms...if you can find a killer edge rusher who can get you 10-12 sacks a year pull the trigger....yaaaay josh huff and kkk are awesome blockers!
He's definitely made some missteps on the personnel side but i don't doubt he'll learn from them. i also think the line needed some time to play together, i don't think they'll be wonderful but they have gotten better from the start of the season.
Quote from: SunMo on October 13, 2015, 11:04:49 AM
He's definitely made some missteps on the personnel side but i don't doubt he'll learn from them.
i dont....i can see him gaining some humility as far as what kind of person he is in the building and locker room...but the things i mentioned are foundational core football beliefs he has....i dont see those ever changing...i have confidence in him changing as a coach but not as a GM
he's stubborn but i don't think he's stubborn enough to ignore the oline again this upcoming offseason. out of all the moves he made, that's where he f'd up the most.
Quote from: SunMo on October 13, 2015, 11:04:49 AM
He's definitely made some missteps on the personnel side but i don't doubt he'll learn from them. i also think the line needed some time to play together, i don't think they'll be wonderful but they have gotten better from the start of the season.
I thought the Birds O line was worst in the league until I saw San Diego's line last night.
Quote from: hunt on October 13, 2015, 11:17:11 AM
he's stubborn but i don't think he's stubborn enough to ignore the oline again this upcoming offseason. out of all the moves he made, that's where he f'd up the most.
i dont see not addressing a position as stubborness its just miscalculation....i definitely could see him draft/sign four lineman next year but if hes choosing lineman that have to perfectly fit his mold rather than the best players then thats where the problem lies
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 13, 2015, 09:54:53 AM
im hearing 50/50 to usc right now...but it still depends on how this season plays out
Dare I ask it?
Where are you hearing this?
chip aint going anywhere
im just playing around typing the same bullshtein stuff about chip leaving as everyone in the world did about mariotta coming and seeing eagle fans flip out about chip nonsense but slurp up all the mariota nonsense
Ah right. This is what I get for choosing not to read 15 pages of bullshtein. Carry on.
Quote from: rjs246 on October 13, 2015, 11:30:22 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 13, 2015, 09:54:53 AM
im hearing 50/50 to usc right now...but it still depends on how this season plays out
Dare I ask it?
Where are you hearing this?
lol - on the twitter machine!
Chip is making $6.5M, has complete control over everything and answers to one person.
One of the reasons he dipped from college was he wasn't down with sucking off the boosters.
And the leading candidates? More like the top two on Haden's wishlist.
The A&M people here are flipping out about Sumlin's name being mentioned.
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 13, 2015, 11:03:34 AM
i agree with all of that but id be semi ok with that part of it if he didnt have such a limited definition of what kind of player he wants....whether it be the culture part of it or the perfect body type or the versatility...each one of those taken on its own is a worthy want in a player but not at the expense of talent...who cares if a guy can only play guard if you can find someone to plug in at that position for the next 10-12 years then you do it...or who cares if a defensive end has short arms...if you can find a killer edge rusher who can get you 10-12 sacks a year pull the trigger....yaaaay josh huff and kkk are awesome blockers!
He said he likes a player with certain attributes but that he can look beyond that if they do something else extraordinary. Case in point would be OBJ, he was Chips guy in last years draft, but he's the exact opposite of what he looks for in a receiver. I agree the character stuff is overblown, was so with Reid too. The sad part about not replacing Guard is it's the easiest position in all of football to fill.
When the early 2000ish birds had a good O line they also had Doug Bryzenski (sp) who a lot of analyst said could start for 90% of teams. There has to be a team out there with a player like that who's rotting on the bench that they could throw their extra 5th at and bring him in. Heck Kelly even has a built in excuse that his starter Gardner got hurt and they needed to add depth. He can continue to not acknowledge the Mathis mistake.
They could probably get Ronald Leary from Dallas for a 6th or 7th
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 13, 2015, 01:06:35 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on October 13, 2015, 11:30:22 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 13, 2015, 09:54:53 AM
im hearing 50/50 to usc right now...but it still depends on how this season plays out
Dare I ask it?
Where are you hearing this?
lol - on the twitter machine!
Chip is making $6.5M, has complete control over everything and answers to one person.
One of the reasons he dipped from college was he wasn't down with sucking off the boosters.
And the leading candidates? More like the top two on Haden's wishlist.
original takes that i have never thought of or seen mentioned anywhere....good stuff
I only provide the most scorching ones. Be honored to read them from me.
missinelli on BOB said that sean salisbury told him usc is gonna ofer chip 10+ mil to come
I don't know which is worse: the ridiculous & baseless rumor-mongering or the possibility that a college program can offer 10 million dollars to a football coach. Nauseating.
i believe this....salisbury is in with the boosters out there pretty deep...probably is one himself....the offer will be made...whether you believe chip will take it or not is a whole nother thing
Salisbury was on Miss's show yesterday and it was definitely speculative what if scenario not concrete yes USC will offer him $10 mil +
saban will get close to $8mil this year so I wouldn't discount a big program overpaying to bring Kelly in.
whatever.
the 10 mil thing goes back to before they even hired sark....salisbury is just repeating it because he knows for a huge name thats the number the school will go over if necessary
whether they specifically would offer that amount to chip no one knows for sure yet
gonna hear about these rumors all year unless the eagles make a big run.
Salisbury is still relevant in any football circle? Surprising. I don't think he can afford to be a booster.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 14, 2015, 09:08:03 AM
Salisbury is still relevant in any football circle?
hes huge in usc circles
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 14, 2015, 09:08:03 AM
Salisbury is still relevant in any football circle? Surprising. I don't think he can afford to be a booster.
I thought he was dead
he almost died after the cock pics
QuoteReporter: "Chip, has anyone from Southern Cal contacted you or your agent? South Carolina?"
Chip: "No. No. No. No. No. No. No. North Texas."
Reporter: " ... State?"
Chip: "State. The Armadillos, or whatever."
Reporter: "Is it a distraction, though, when --"
Chip: "Just keep asking questions like this in press conferences, and it'll be over quicker. What do you want to talk about? Let's talk about another college. You got 10 minutes, so let's talk about North Texas. I know you have an obligation, and I understand that. It's going to happen. We're not successful and we're not winning, I came from college, and I'm going to go back to college. I hope someday to be like coach [Tom] Coughlin and win enough games to stay around long enough where that speculation ends. I understand you have to ask the question, but I answered it the same way a year ago, I answered it the same way my first year here. It's just an unfortunate part of the game because the other part of it is there are people who have lost their jobs. A friend of mine in Steve Sarkisian, who is dealing with a big issue right now, and I wish him the best out of the whole thing. And that's how I look at that situation."
well alrighty then ...
And go!
chip the gm should be fired immediately.
I 2nd that. roseman should do it.
How do you spend a 1st, a 2nd, and 3rd on WRs in two seasons and not improve? Horrible.
Quote from: SD on October 26, 2015, 09:53:58 AM
How do you spend a 1st, a 2nd, and 3rd on WRs in two seasons and not improve? Horrible.
because he doesnt draft talent at a position that is largely about talent....he drafts culture...josh huff probably wasnt draftable to take him in the 3rd was ludicrous...he takes a guy cause he went tyo oregon or has a good attitude or is a solid route runner a hard worker or has good hands or is a good blocker....all laudable attritbutes but its never cause someone is fast as shtein or explosive...agohlor is the closest you are going to get...hopefully he pans out
he also inexplicably caked off kkk who farging sucks but has a single good quality....blocking
I wish they had drafted someone with good hands. Could you imagine?
They just asked him about maybe having a WR as a deep threat who can stretch the field and draw double coverage, he said "we haven't had that type of WR threat in my 3 years here so...."
Quote from: SD on October 26, 2015, 01:13:24 PM
They just asked him about maybe having a WR as a deep threat who can stretch the field and draw double coverage, he said "we haven't had that type of WR threat in my 3 years here so...."
:-D
No farging way did he actually say that.
My troll skills are good but not that good. The PC isn't on PE.com yet but he says it 3/4 of the way through.
Unreal.
holy crap, I thought you were kidding, SD.
of ALL active players in the nfl guess who is the CAREER leader in yards per reception
riley cooper is a great blocker though
Riley Cooper?
Quote from: SD on October 26, 2015, 01:13:24 PM
They just asked him about maybe having a WR as a deep threat who can stretch the field and draw double coverage, he said "we haven't had that type of WR threat in my 3 years here so...."
oh wow lololol
did any of the esteemed press corps follow up and say what about DeSean?
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 26, 2015, 03:27:42 PM
did any of the esteemed press corps follow up and say what about DeSean?
He would just say the exact same thing he's been saying for a year and a half -- that DeSean didn't draw double coverage.
http://espn.go.com/blog/philadelphia-eagles/post/_/id/6673/kelly-jackson-wasnt-double-covered
Roob asked chip if maybe they were working TOO hard and maybe they shouldn't use the JUGGS machine as much
What kind of question is that?
I like Roob and all...but that's an all time bad question
If the coach is going to give no fargs, why should the reporters?
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 26, 2015, 01:46:49 PM
of ALL active players in the nfl guess who is the CAREER leader in yards per reception
Todd Pinkston?
Oh, you said "active."
I'm stumped.
I think I miss Reid. I hate Jeff Lurie
Quote from: Diomedes on October 26, 2015, 06:40:35 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 26, 2015, 01:46:49 PM
of ALL active players in the nfl guess who is the CAREER leader in yards per reception
Todd Pinkston?
Oh, you said "active."
I'm stumped.
Probably pimp.
Quote from: Tomahawk on October 26, 2015, 10:11:40 PM
I think I miss Reid. I hate Jeff Lurie
I don't miss Reid at all.
Quote from: Tomahawk on October 26, 2015, 10:11:40 PM
I think I miss Reid.
Like a wife misses a husband who beat the shtein out of her for 15 years?
Quote from: Rome on October 27, 2015, 07:23:19 AM
Quote from: Tomahawk on October 26, 2015, 10:11:40 PM
I think I miss Reid.
Like a wife misses a husband who beat the shtein out of her for 15 years?
This is the exact analogy that went through my mind.
A woman gets the shtein slapped out of her, finally gets into a new relationship and he beats her too....and she's like "I miss the way the last guy used to beat me."
Man, what a bitch to have both guys beat the shtein out of her. Maybe Philly is asking for it.
Haha. If you run into an icehole in the morning...you ran into an icehole. If you run into iceholes all day...you're the icehole.
I don't miss Reid at all....Kelly is the same pickle juice; just a slightly different flavor. I do hate Lurie though....quit hiring dicks please
I thought you loved dicks?
Especially on chicks
I like where this is going. wait, no I don't. :paranoid
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I thought mds wasn't going to the Gameday show??
ha?
get the farg out of my city your waddling fat fraud
He's been checked out for a while now.
since last thanksgiving, chip kelly the genius coach is 5-8
wins:
1. non-competitive giants
2. ryan fitzpatrick
3. saints
4. giants
5. matt cassel
some dope walking out of the game today with a straight face asked me if I would trade chip for the titans one
So, this is neat.
Honest question: What's been worse, Chip the PP guy or Chip the coach? He got a pass for a while because his offense put up points but now his playcalling and decision making is bad bad.
52% PP chip // 48% HC chip
definitely the gm....the wr's alone are a criminal offense....then throw in the offensive line that's been ignored for two years...then you actually gave up a lot for sam bradford...you put a whole bunch of resources into a qb and rb's but didn't address the offensive line??
kkk's contract remains sickening
think bout this for a second from a PP perspective....no matter what you think of mack or pimp chip got rid of them and replaced them with josh huff and riley kkkooper....it doesn't get more incompetent than that
all that said hes also not a good coach.....the end of half yesterday was fireable
And his insistence on staying with gimpy kickers is as bad as anything else.
Although he says things like 'you have to be healthy enough to play to get playing time' when it suits him, he just likes getting injury guys, as if it's not even a consideration.
Yeah but they ran 82 plays !! Wow that matters so much chip, thanks.
<<<<<<< being an eagles fan is like
les droppin bombs
QuoteLes Bowen @LesBowen 13m13 minutes ago
The good news: looks right now like there won't be any more promoted tight ends coaches for Chip to be outmaneuvered by the rest of the year
:-D
Just go home, Chip. No one will blame you for just leaving now.
I'd put it at a 70/30 split as to the GM being the problem. The WRs and OL are a complete mess.
The fact that he still keeps Austin on the team is a joke.
CKGM gets 90% of the blame, CKHC gets 10%.
I think CKHC could be average, maybe above average. As bad as he is, we've seen his offense point crazy points on the board when they had good players, specifically at WR. He used to have players who were good enough to help mask some of his coaching deficiencies. Of course, CKGM got rid of those players and brought in Miles Austin, so......yeah.
HC Chip gets 75% of the blame, GM Chip gets 90%.
According to chip it's all the players fault.
http://theadvocate.com/sports/lsu/14016697-128/rabalais-strong-indications-lsu-coach
hey chip
Would his up tempo offense work in a southern spot ? Hot and humid don't seem like a good match with him.
Quote from: smeags on November 18, 2015, 08:16:45 AM
Would his up tempo offense work in a southern spot ? Hot and humid don't seem like a good match with him.
lots of southern schools have run up tempo for a while now....guz malzhan has been running that shtein forever...urban meyer ran it at florida with tebow
those athletes grow up in that shtein and play sports all summer long when its truly hot down there...you cant fade em....plus in theory with an uptempo offense its the defense getting gassed...its to the offenses advantage to have the defense play in the most exhausting conditions possible
Yep - exactly.
They're out running 7 on 7 tourney's in July and August when it is 99 with 90% humidity and it doesn't phase them
j where do you rank chip among nfl coaches right now
last check with you he has 2nd behind bb
i rank him bottom 3rd
He can't be anywhere north of 22 or 23 on anyone's list not named Jeff Lurie, can he?
I don't know. It's a pretty sad list. I think there are only about ten fanbases that are pleased with their coach's performance.
Active coaches by win %:
1 Arians 683
2 Belichick 669
3 Quinn 667
4 McCarthy 657
5 Pagano 649
6 Tomlin 638
7 Harbaugh 612
8 Payton 609
9 Campbell 600
10 Kelly 585
11 Reid 583
12 Bowles 583
13 Carroll 569
14 Rivera 568
15 Fox 567
16 Zimmer 560
17 Lewis 542
18 Coughlin 538
19 Caldwell 534
20 Garrett 531
21 Fisher 522
22 O'Brien 520
23 Smith 515
24 Kubiak 507
25 McCoy 488
26 Del Rio 486
27 Ryan 486
28 Whisenhunt 403
29 Tomsula 400
30 Pettine 346
31 Gruden 320
32 Bradley 244
On the minus side for Chip, I expect him to drop in this list as they play more games with their current personnel. On the plus side for Chip, everyone higher than him on this list has had a better QB situation than him -- mostly a significantly better QB situation. Chip the GM should get on that.
the guy did win 10 games his first two years....since then CKGM has gutted the roster of some serious talent...that said while the talent has been significantly downgraded youve also seen as hes gone thru the league that other coaches are catching up to him to the point of a lot of times knowing what they are going to run before they run it....thats complete incompetance...i do like his play design a lot...he just doesnt have enough plays
his philosophy of beating a team with pace instead of play calling or talent is maddening...him mentioning how awesome it was that they ran 88 plays last week was sickening....mostly because the second half run game gained like 30 yards on 18 carries....miami sure seemed gassed....
also his philosophy of culture while he is the opposite of a players coach is a fireable offense...if you want everyone to toe the line and be the perefect combination of human being and football player you better be in the trenches with your players and he isnt
id say right now hes in the 15-20 range and trending downward
die
in
j where do you rank the genius?
Like I played the game today
give me a number
is he a better coach than andy reid?
1. He's not getting fired.
2. He should be after today.
3. Full authority or not, if I was Lurie, Billy Davis would be on his way to the airport after that shameful performance.
how did billy davis get hired in the first place?
oh chip
Quote from: Rome on November 22, 2015, 07:09:23 PM
1. He's not getting fired.
2. He should be after today.
3. Full authority or not, if I was Lurie, Billy Davis would be on his way to the airport after that shameful performance.
the linebacker chip traded a top 5 rb for had 1 tackle against 40 rush attempts
how did he have 212 tackles in buffalo....he validly sucks....throw him and DeMarco murray in a tsunami and give me shady back....at least he was entertaining
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 22, 2015, 06:55:31 PM
give me a number
is he a better coach than andy reid?
No Andy is better
is any non ex eagle coach better than him besides belichek?
Kiko farging blows. Lol at people comparing to Kuechkly
Chip needs to go. Really Lurie is the biggest problem but he's not selling the team any time soon so let's get someone else in here who doesn't think he's smarter than the rest of the world because he runs a hurry up and can make milkshakes. He had his 3 years, yeah it was fun and exciting at first but the novelty has worn off.
If you look at the rest of this league, the Eagles could conceivably finish with the worst record in all the NFL if they continue at this pace.
The only real challengers for them are the Chargers, Flacco-less Ravens, and Titans.
do you go boykin with the first overall pick or do you hope he falls to you in the third
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 22, 2015, 07:56:02 PM
do you go boykin with the first overall pick or do you hope he falls to you in the third
Lol
Alonso looks like a farging Amazonian bitch playing football. I mean, I watched him in Buffalo and he bears no resemblance to the player he was then. It's irrelevant anyway because Hicks will be back and he'll be gone after the way he's played.
Look, no one played remotely well today. Not even Cox. Games like this happen even to good teams. But it's happened entirely too often at this point. They don't get pressure when they need it. They don't stop the run when they have to. When the offense fargs up, they let the opposing offense march right down the field unabated almost every time. They get their asses pushed in way too often and that's because the scheme sucks and they're undersized bitches getting manhandled by bigger and nastier guys. They get out-schemed every week and they are absolutely the dumbest group of players ever assembled.
In short, they're embarrassing to watch and since you can't fire the players, I think the coordinator has to go. He wouldn't have made it to the presser after that performance if it was up to me.
Quote from: Rome on November 22, 2015, 07:58:04 PM
Games like this happen even to good teams.
today proved it also happens to bad teams
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 22, 2015, 07:56:02 PM
do you go boykin with the first overall pick or do you hope he falls to you in the third
I'll let you make that call since you have all the answers and are never wrong
The players gave up. There is no 'bad day'. They don't like Chip. His act is old. They don't have much talent. Really they're in as bad a position as the Flyers/Phillies/Sixers are they just have a few more wins.
they are in a way more forgiving sport/league.....that's about it
the lack of contribution from chip kellys top draft picks is so unbeliveably painful...from jordan matthews to marcus smith to agoholor to josh huff to eric rowe it goes on and on
his player personnel acumen is a farging joke...they either are hurt or they suck ass
Pitch forks are out.
It's about time the crosshairs find Lurie. He's as much to blame for this as anyone. Chip is doing what he said he'd do, it just doesn't work in the NFL. Lurie probably should cut the cord today, but he won't. In fact, he'll probably double down on Chip in the off season...maybe give him a share of the team and let him direct his next movie.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on November 23, 2015, 10:32:30 AM
It's about time the crosshairs find Lurie. He's as much to blame for this as anyone. Chip is doing what he said he'd do, it just doesn't work in the NFL. Lurie probably should cut the cord today, but he won't. In fact, he'll probably double down on Chip in the off season...maybe give him a share of the team and let him direct his next movie.
Lurie is the BIG problem. Really you can't blame Chip, he wanted to be GM...as do a lot of coaches. He bullied Lurie and Lurie gave in. Lurie is a big Hoyda. I've been done with his act for a while. What has he done as an owner that was so great? One SB appearance over 21 years. Ugly uniforms. New stadium which is basically a cookie cutter.
Lurie has been a joke for years. Everyone was so excited over the new stadium and I thought it was a huge mistake not to build something truly visionary. He didn't have near enough cash to build a retractable dome park so now 12 yrs later it can't compete for Super Bowls when they're on the table. I can't wait till he starts crying poverty in a few years and moves the team to Tokyo or Berlin.
criticize lurie all you want he deserves it but the stadium is fine and not even in the top 20 things wrong with the franchize.....except dallas every new stadium in the nfl is pretty much the same
I'm fine with the Stadium I just wish it had more of the cities personality. Some of that is the fans that now go to games but there's just nothing Philly about it.
I for one love the giant Freddie Mitchell banner on it. Very classy.
vet - blue collar
linc - suit
Quote from: smeags on November 23, 2015, 01:04:53 PM
vet - blue collar
linc - suit
Pretty much. It's liKe "urban renewel projects" which is a fancy way of saying that we want to get get rid of the poor people, level the row homes, and build luxury loft apartments on top of a shopping center.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on November 23, 2015, 10:32:30 AM
It's about time the crosshairs find Lurie. He's as much to blame for this as anyone. Chip is doing what he said he'd do, it just doesn't work in the NFL. Lurie probably should cut the cord today, but he won't. In fact, he'll probably double down on Chip in the off season...maybe give him a share of the team and let him direct his next movie.
boom
chip never thought hed be anything more than the new hampshire oc....getting to oregon and then to nfl was beyond anything he imaged...its all gravy
to his credit hes doing what he wants his way. its not working. up to the rich jew to realize it.
ryen rusillo is playing a piece of ang grillin chip this morning about not showing emotion after losses and chip says "if they want a coach who is going to yell a lot they should hire you cause you are really good at it"
and angelo says "im not sure i would be worse than 4-6"
farging classic
never heard a radio guy go at a head coach like that in a live interview
Not an Angelo fan at all, but that's awesome.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on November 23, 2015, 01:07:40 PM
Quote from: smeags on November 23, 2015, 01:04:53 PM
vet - blue collar
linc - suit
Pretty much. It's liKe "urban renewel projects" which is a fancy way of saying that we want to get get rid of the poor people, level the row homes, and build luxury loft apartments on top of a shopping center.
Gentrification. The word you're looking for is gentrification.
also hipster bars that only show soccer
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 23, 2015, 02:28:11 PM
ryen rusillo is playing a piece of ang grillin chip this morning about not showing emotion after losses and chip says "if they want a coach who is going to yell a lot they should hire you cause you are really good at it"
and angelo says "im not sure i would be worse than 4-6"
farging classic
never heard a radio guy go at a head coach like that in a live interview
I started to listen Angelo this morning but Chip wasn't going to be on until 3 AM HST. Act or not, Angelo was pissed about Chip and his apathetic response to this shtein show. At least Billy Davis admitted he sucked and the defensive performance was on him.
Definitely going to go listen to the interview.
Watching Around The Horn and one of the panelists brought up a good point, why would Chip or any coach do an interview like this less than 24 hours after a game? Horrible home loss, emotions are still high, etc. I was thinking the same thing last night leading up to Chip's visit. Didinger was on an hour before just fueling the fire, Jonsey calling the team out for quiting, everyone pissed off, disappointed, deflated and now "Here's Chip!"
Quote from: Don Ho on November 23, 2015, 05:16:09 PM
Watching Around The Horn and one of the panelists brought up a good point, why would Chip or any coach do an interview like this less than 24 hours after a game?
Contractually obligated. If it was up to Chip he very obviously would never appear on that show.
He'd never do a PC period if he had his choice
And th media has been soft on him too
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 23, 2015, 02:28:11 PM
ryen rusillo is playing a piece of ang grillin chip this morning about not showing emotion after losses and chip says "if they want a coach who is going to yell a lot they should hire you cause you are really good at it"
and angelo says "im not sure i would be worse than 4-6"
farging classic
never heard a radio guy go at a head coach like that in a live interview
Chip tries his arrogant bully routine and Angelo doesn't back down an inch. He farging owns Chip in this interview
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lol chip called roobin homer frank "rob" today
Schefter told SiriusXM Chip and the Eagles are "sick of each other" and he thinks Chip is gone after the season
http://www.phillyvoice.com/schefter-chip-kelly-and-eagles-part-ways-after-season/
What the farg does Chip have to be sick about? He's gotten everything he's asked for and more. I know losing sucks and the NFL ain't easy, but if I were him, I'd be in there busting my ass to try and make it right.
Actually, I think Schefter is full of shtein and is just throwing it against the wall to see if it sticks later on. It wouldn't * shock * me if Lurie canned his ass or if Chip quit, but the suggested reasoning is just moronic.
Well that is somewhat surprising...both that he would be sick of the team considering, like Romey said, he has received the keys to the kingdom and that Lurie is sick of it. Sounds like a lot of speculation but who knows.
As an aside...does Howie have any skin left on his bird after flogging it raw while watching this thing blow up?
Thing is, based on the Banner/Reid situation, if Lurie were to fire Chip it wouldn't be surprising if he just blew the whole thing up and canned Howie as well.
Quote from: Rome on November 24, 2015, 06:21:03 PM
Actually, I think Schefter is full of shtein and is just throwing it against the wall to see if it sticks later on. It wouldn't * shock * me if Lurie canned his ass or if Chip quit, but the suggested reasoning is just moronic.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on November 24, 2015, 06:45:52 PM
Well that is somewhat surprising...both that he would be sick of the team considering, like Romey said, he has received the keys to the kingdom and that Lurie is sick of it. Sounds like a lot of speculation but who knows.
As an aside...does Howie have any skin left on his bird after flogging it raw while watching this thing blow up?
hi homers
schefter is not in the business of making things up
plus he said it was his feeling...his read....in short,he didnt come to this conclusion by staring at a wall
I guess it's possible that Lurie had chip on a short leash when he made him the GM and some frustration is starting to fester. There's no way he can be happy with the job chip is doing as GM. Hopefully Lurie is having a solid case of buyer's remorse.
Wait...what I said was homeriffic?
Your detector is malfunctioning - maybe change the batteries
Seems very likely he'd get another season to prove progress if the separation was about performance. If they can him after one losing season, it's a personality thing.
Chip is a farging douchebag.
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 24, 2015, 11:51:20 PM
Quote from: Rome on November 24, 2015, 06:21:03 PM
Actually, I think Schefter is full of shtein and is just throwing it against the wall to see if it sticks later on. It wouldn't * shock * me if Lurie canned his ass or if Chip quit, but the suggested reasoning is just moronic.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on November 24, 2015, 06:45:52 PM
Well that is somewhat surprising...both that he would be sick of the team considering, like Romey said, he has received the keys to the kingdom and that Lurie is sick of it. Sounds like a lot of speculation but who knows.
As an aside...does Howie have any skin left on his bird after flogging it raw while watching this thing blow up?
hi homers
@975TheFanatic: My interview yesterday about Chip Kelly was taken out of context. @AdamSchefter
Quote from: SD on November 25, 2015, 01:53:23 AM
Chip is a farging douchebag.
What he said ... Happy birthday chip
http://www.nj.com/eagles/index.ssf/2015/11/eagles_head_coach_chip_kelly_has_lost_the_team_sou.html#incart_river_index
Quote"Chip Kelly has lost the team," said the agent, who requested anonymity because of fear of retribution against his client. "Between the losses and his bull[bleep] methods that aren't working, I can tell you that the players have tuned him out."
QuoteThe agent also raised the possibility that at least one player was using an injury to stay off the field, because "he won't play hurt for Chip." The player, he said, could play with the injury but has chosen to stay on the sideline.
go team!
Huh. A bad team gave up. Has that ever happened before?
Common accurance in this city lately.
Is he fired before the end of the season?
Does he sacrifice Billy Davis to appease Lurie?
Leave for a college job? If so which one?
Call your shot.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on November 26, 2015, 03:23:23 PM
Is he fired before the end of the season?
Does he sacrifice Billy Davis to appease Lurie?
Leave for a college job? If so which one?
Call your shot.
werent you getting pissy with schefter the other day for saying chip is gone and hes lost the team?
Answer the question and off my nuts
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on November 24, 2015, 06:45:52 PM
Well that is somewhat surprising...both that he would be sick of the team considering, like Romey said, he has received the keys to the kingdom and that Lurie is sick of it. Sounds like a lot of speculation but who knows.
As an aside...does Howie have any skin left on his bird after flogging it raw while watching this thing blow up?
This was my response. Is this "gettin pissy"?
No.
even after watching them quit last week you were salty as farg at shefter for saying your team hated its coach and that he was all but gone...now today you are talking about wanting chip to go to college
sorry but as a person who said from day one chip was out of his league and nothing more than a college coach I cant take you seriously on this particular topic and will NOT answer your question
Your definition of salty as farg is twisted
I quoted my post. That isn't salty.
And I don't know if I'll survive you not taking me seriously.
I cant discuss the eagles with homers when im this angry....it just makes everything so much worse
Yah I'm sure homer ing it up right now
Can you buy me a How To Be A Real Fan guide for Christmas?
As n aside - Chips presser was th first time I've ever heard him say he's got to put people in position to make plays better and that this all falls on him
Chip looked genuinely defeated for the first time too
He's not going to be fired before the season is over. If the Eagles keep playing like this, I think there is a solid chance he won't be here next season, however. Most people think there is no chance he's not back, but just looking at it logically, what could Chip Kelly possibly say to Jeff Lurie to re-instill confidence in him after this?
Barring a dramatic turnaround, I think one of Chip or Lurie will blink after this season and there will be a search for a new coach.
its usually assumed that lurie will fire chip.....i could easily see chip quitting....he hates the philly media he hates the philly fans...he wasn't a pro head coach when he was hired and he certainly isn't one now...and while he wont admit this I think he knows it...I think theres more chance hes fired than quits but quitting is totally in play imo
Once he's gone at seasons end does Howie get his GM job back?
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 26, 2015, 04:24:43 PM
its usually assumed that lurie will fire chip.....i could easily see chip quitting....he hates the philly media he hates the philly fans...he wasn't a pro head coach when he was hired and he certainly isn't one now...and while he wont admit this I think he knows it...I think theres more chance hes fired than quits but quitting is totally in play imo
I hope that means he quits now rather than waits to get fired at the end of the season.
It could also be a mutual parting of the ways kind of deal. They meet after the season to discuss things and both decide it's for the best to just make a split.
I'm not sure I trust Lurie to hire the next coach, though. He almost hired Gus Bradley because of a youtube clip. Ok, not really, but kinda.
Maybe after taking the gamble on the unknown, Lurie would opt for the proven name this time around. The problem is, the Eagles right now are far less attractive a destination than they were in 2013.
first and foremost lurie needs to hire a legit football operations guy
then let that guy hire the coach
Take someone from the Steelers organization. They always draft so well. I can't remember the last time that organization signed a big money free agent. They just replace aging and injured guys with drafted talent every season.
Eric DeCosta still in Baltimore? Get him
Get farging Howdy Doody for all I care. Just get rid of the Chipster.
I'm all in on Interim Head Coach Duce Staley. Let's make this happen.
Quote from: General_Failure on November 26, 2015, 10:47:52 PM
I'm all in on Interim Head Coach Duce Staley. Let's make this happen.
I'm in on this just to hear the entire stadium go Duuuuuuuuuuuuuce! when he's intro.....DUCEd.
Quote from: MDS on November 26, 2015, 10:32:56 PM
Quote from: MDS on October 27, 2013, 03:25:27 PM
Newsflash
HE SUCKS
first
not even close but also whenever chip was winning you would mock and bristle at me for suggesting chip is going to Georgia...so even if you were first it doesn't count since you have been all up chips pooper more than you've disliked him thus far in his tenure
btw this was first...
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 16, 2013, 08:55:29 PM
or a guy thats lived in portsmouth new hampshire and eugene oregon for the last ten years and probably thinks they booed santa claus in 1997
this cat has no clue what hes steppin into
also shout out to sarge...he was the only other guy on the wagon from jump
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 27, 2015, 08:51:56 AM
not even close but also whenever chip was winning you would mock and bristle at me for suggesting chip is going to Georgia...so even if you were first it doesn't count since you have been all up chips pooper more than you've disliked him thus far in his tenure
the idea that chip wants to run to college is still silly....he loves the nfl.
i still think theres a good football coach in there somewhere if his ego, culture obsession and stubbornness let him be one. but also theres a horrible gm in there, too.
ive always said there might be a good offensive coordinator in there....but I am now starting to even doubt that
QuoteThe 2015 Eagles and the 1968 Patriots are the only teams to lose consecutive games to teams below .500 by at least 28 points
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 27, 2015, 08:51:56 AM
also shout out to sarge...he was the only other guy on the wagon from jump
Just a reminder of where I stood on the matter in case any of yall be forgetting.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on January 17, 2013, 08:43:46 AM
I like hockey more than I like Chip Kelly.
And my reasons for being so opposed to him were very simple:
1. Other than Jimmy Johnson, there's hasn't been a single coach to make the jump from college to the pros, with no prior NFL experience on any level (as a player, position coach, coordinator, water boy...anything) and been even remotely successful. In fact, Chip might be the 2nd most successful guy to do this after JJ. Practically everyone else was an immediate failure. This should be so painfully obvious by now, but no one wants to give it any weight.
2. The shtein he pulled by interviewing, going back to Oregon and them come running back to Lurie once it was found out that the NCAA was going to punish Oregon really left a bad taste in my mouth. I hate flakey bitches.
I actually dug a lot of his philosophies and methods. I like the sports science and his navy seal training and all that shtein. Hell, I'm even down with the tempo thing. Problem is that I don't think he made a single adjustment with anything that he does for the NFL. He is literally doing the same exact shtein he was doing in college. Gotta find that happy medium. Some of his stuff works at the pro level. Some doesn't. Scrap the shtein that doesn't work and implement things that do.
looks like les miles is indeed out
hey chip
rappaport reporting usc wants chip and has reached out to him.....
and he says dont rule out titans...altho this sounds like empty speculation just because mariota is there rather than factual reporting
This place is just unbearable. It's worse than a collection of bitter fat chicks whining about not getting laid, actually. Anyone who wants to just shot the breeze casually about football is ridiculed as a homer. Anyone who doesn't toe the party line is attacked brown shirt style. Seriously. Read this thread and then ask yourselves why 90 percent of the people who used to post here are flat gone. If this is what you guys want, that's fine. I'll just check in occasionally to see if anything worthwhile is being discussed.
Damn you Rome! You aren't going anywhere! You and Geo are the only two who can relate to my "tales" from back in the day.
FootballScoop reports that USC met with Chip on Friday in Philly
Today USC has named Clay Helton their HC
So who here claimed chip would be a bust first, that's what matters now.
lol
btw - there's a chance that season ticket holders will be receiving playoff ticket invoices in three weeks for a four win team at the time.
Quote from: smeags on November 30, 2015, 11:19:18 AM
So who here claimed chip would be a bust first, that's what matters now.
Very important! All I know is I am a homer and probably should contemplate jumping in front of a train...according to sources.
Speaking of sources...USC is spinning their asses off to justify keeping Helton and not landing Chip. "Sources" have told USC beat guys that former Eagle players who went to USC said they didn't like playing under Chip.
Well....that is pretty much only Matt Barkley.
Also Agholor and Sanchez. Narcs, the lot of them. It does bring up a good point about Lurie deciding to keep Chip or not. This team will need a lot of FA help and word is out that players don't like Chip. Unless you have a ponytail.
The klansman cut his pony tail off, so maybe chip could finally cut him now?
Quote from: Eagaholic on November 30, 2015, 03:36:02 PM
Also Agholor and Sanchez. Narcs, the lot of them.
Former
Quote from: Sgt PSN on November 30, 2015, 03:45:39 PM
The klansman cut his pony tail off, so maybe chip could finally cut him now?
They kept calling him the Ma'am Wizard at cross burnings.
Quote from: smeags on November 30, 2015, 03:53:10 PM
Quote from: Eagaholic on November 30, 2015, 03:36:02 PM
Also Agholor and Sanchez. Narcs, the lot of them.
Former
They've mentally quit, that counts.
QuoteWhile he was hardly the lone reason the Eagles lost their last two games by a combined 59 points, his performance didn't justify Kelly's faith. Even before the Eagles had dealt for Bradford, Kelly had told other NFL evaluators that he could win with Sanchez, according to sources familiar with the conversations
http://mobile.philly.com/beta?wss=/philly/sports/eagles&id=360206551
fire. chip. kelly.
Has there ever been a worse judge of talent? Seriously, I don't think there's ever been a GM who understands how the nfl works less than Chip. And that says a lot considering the last 2 Eagles GMs have been accountants.
i dont even know if he cant judge talent or just doesnt value it as much as everyone else...like he might know player A is more talented than player B but he wants player B for other reasons whether its culture....body type...versatility....etc
Funny how a blocked punt, a 100 yard intereception, and a punt return for a td against a team comprised of a JV offense (excluding the QB of course) can help disguise what a train wreck you've assembled.
Go Franchise Go!
gotta give the genius credit today for admitting he farged up the whole shady thing...little late but still he was a man about it...hopefully this is a trial by error lessons learned moment and he somehow changes the way he treats people inside novacare becoming a more players coach which will make for a much healthier environment going forward
He explained it before but he went a bit deeper into the details and also his contrition today was nice to see.
I'm sure he knows that nothing stays secret in the NFL or any sports regardless of it being the official start of the new league year or not.
He also said that the story of Shady being open to re-doing his deal was not something Rosenhaus was willing to do
if he goes back to college we all win...we don't have to watch him run the eagles into the sewer and he doesnt have to deal with agents
Breaking news: Chip's staying
as usual you are all over the eagles beat
btw the thought of a coach who is struggling to stop other teams from knowing his plays and is still learning how to have eye contact with his own players also having to deal with agents and drafts is frightening
Wasn't Chip already the GM when Shady was traded? If so, then his the hell can a trade be completed without him knowing about it?
He (Chip) knew about the trade because he made it.
Shady didn't know because he wasn't told by Chip because Chip thought nothing would/could be completed and official until the following day which was the first day of the new league year.
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 10, 2015, 10:22:32 PM
btw the thought of a coach who is struggling to stop other teams from knowing his plays and is still learning how to have eye contact with his own players also having to deal with agents and drafts is frightening
Your hyperbole is frightening
So the trade was completed and the GM didn't know that the trade was completed. Got it.
Maybe you should watch the PC or find a quote to help you understand?
"We were told that the trade wasn't initiated, and it wouldn't be initiated until the next morning, so there were no phone calls to be made. And then all of a sudden, I'm driving to an event, and he's been traded. I felt bad that I didn't get a chance to talk to him. I called him, he didn't answer my phone call. I know he was pissed, and he should be pissed. Rightly so.
"Every player that has ever left this team, I've talked to them, personally, myself. Every one that's in town, we talk to them individually, here in our office. I talk to them, the coordinator talks to them, the position coach talks to them. We have a way that we do it, that I think is the right way to do it, and it wasn't exercised in that case. I understand why ... he was the all-time running back here, he felt like he was disrespected, and it was wrong. And because I was part of it, it's on me.
"When we traded for Sam [Bradford] and for Nick [Foles], with Jeff Fisher, it was a great situation. Jeff texted me, we were both on the phone together and said, 'Alright, when are you going to make the call? Let's call now. When we're done with our phone calls with our players, text each other.' He texted me that he was done, I texted him that I was done. I then called Sam, he then called Nick. That's the way it should've been done.
Read more at http://www.phillymag.com/birds247/2015/12/10/chip-i-want-to-apologize-to-lesean-mccoy/#A0wkwdk8QDdBvySB.99
the farg up by chip there is far less concerning than the guy CKGM identified and caked off as shadys replacement
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 10, 2015, 11:13:49 PM
Maybe you should watch the PC or find a quote to help you understand?
I've seen that clip of the PC like a thousand time today. So we are to beleive that Chip was told (by who? by the league?) that the trade wouldn't be made official until the next day? Maybe it's an honest mistake. Maybe this happens more often than I'm aware of. I just have a hard time believing the guy who loves shifting the blame to anyone else when he says it isn't his fault. Maybe I could take him more at his word if he wasn't constantly throwing others under the bus.
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 10, 2015, 11:17:42 PM
the farg up by chip there is far less concerning than the guy CKGM identified and caked off as shadys replacement
Agreed. Everything about that deal was awful. Kiko blows and Murray is a crybaby bitch who hasn't even come close to fitting this offense.
Yeah I understand you're a bit jaded with how you look at Chip but it's pretty evident that he threw no one under the bus here. I mean he's flat out says its on him.
They were told the trade wasn't intiated by Buffalo. I remember when news broke of this it was leaked by Buffalo people. The teams couldn't even submit it to the league because it wouldn't be approved or processed until the league year begins.
So they set the parameters of the deal and then plan to finalize the next day. Buffalo leaks the news and it's blown up before Chip talks to Shady. And there you have the rift.
He was pretty clear that he handled it poorly.
That's cool. He's still a douche though.
I'm not giving chump any credit for admitting he farged this up so far after the fact.
Plus he's still full of shtein about the reason why the trade happened. Cap number my ass, chump just didn't like mccoy and his ego hurt the team as a result.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on December 11, 2015, 12:11:29 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 10, 2015, 11:17:42 PM
the farg up by chip there is far less concerning than the guy CKGM identified and caked off as shadys replacement
Agreed. Everything about that deal was awful. Kiko blows and Murray is a crybaby bitch who hasn't even come close to fitting this offense.
I was against the trade at the time, once the dust settled I guess I was ok with it because of the salary they were saving. I was onboard with the Murray signing because he IS a one cut power back. The only problem is they didn't address the line, he's lost a step, his one cut is too slow now, and they insist on running him on the outside zone read play. They should have signed Mathews and maybe another similar back and called it a day. Since the interior of the O line is so poor it's vital you have a back that can hit the hole and just go. It's no coincidence Mathews/Sproles/Bartrum are more effective.
But more to the point, Chips a douche for not contacting Shady first. It's called professional courtesy. Who cares if the trade happened in 34 seconds. You still reach out to the guy first and tell him the deal. On the flipside Shady has his own issues.
even now i still support the trade....i still believe kiko comes around...he cant be this bad after being dominantly good as a rookie...and 99% of running backs are highly replaceable
my problem has always been the demarco signing not the shady trade
Mike Bartrum?
What kind if deal would Kiko get ? Has to be rock bottom right ?
Screamin A has out done himself
Yesterday he said on sports center that he was "stopped on the streets on Philadelphia by members of the Philadelphia Eagles who took the liberty of telling me how uncomfortable they were with Chip Kelly because of the manner in which he was treating them"
So players are walking up to him on the streets and telling him this?!
No shot this is true. Zero.
Quote from: smeags on December 11, 2015, 11:37:30 AM
What kind if deal would Kiko get ? Has to be rock bottom right ?
I doubt it would be much more than Riley Cooper got.
disgusting horrible embarrassment DIE
Is this enough to get Chip fired at the end of this season? Seems like the players have quit.
If Chip gets fired this franchise won't recover for many years. This roster is his and his alone. Firing him now would require a top to bottom overhaul of the entire organization. Front office, staff, roster. Everything. I'd rather give him another year or even two as the coach. Any checks that can be put in place on Chip the GM though, I'm all for.
theres no in between...chip played his hand last season when he said he wanted everything or nothing....its still the same case
Just not Lurie's style to fire a guy after one losing season after a couple double digit win years. I do think he's gone if the Eagles suck again next season.
I don't see Lurie bringing in Jerry Colangelo to look over Chip's shoulder either. Anything good or (more likely) bad next year will be on Chip, and Lurie will judge him accordingly. Lurie always said he brought in Chip not to implement his college system, but because he thought he was capable of adapting and making changes when something isn't working. Well, this year Chip's whole system failed. If he tries all the same broken shtein next year, he's outta here. Chip the GM may have screwed over Chip the coach because this team has too many personnel needs to accomplish in one offseason.
if gus is fired in jax, does chip have the balls to go and get him and let him run whatever the farg defense he wants
yes or no
the answer is no
They asked this weasel about being the gm, he said I'm not the gm I'm in charge of player personnel. I don't scout the players or negotiate contracts, Ed Marynowitz does all that. just pick the players.
hes a POS liar
give billy davis credit....he stands up like a man and takes the heat. hes a shtein coach but he doesnt lie about anything. chip is such a farging excuse making, blame dodging queef. yea, you didnt trade shady for kiko, that was someone else.
hes a genius who cant stand the thought of not being one and will never do or say anything to change that idea
philly and national media plus birds fanbase deserve a lot of criticism as well for falling for it his first two years which fed the beast even more than he was already overflowing with self eggrandizement....then you have lurie giving him belichek status and its created a monster the likes of which we haven't seen
since last thanksgiving hes 7-12
1-6 in games mark sanchez appeared in
id like to know what the pt differential in those 19 games is...they dont just lose under him they lose BIG....not to mention lost two season ending games to Washington in back to back years....that alone should be fireable
yeah I dont get it...he was their starting qb when they traded him and hes been awful since...all facts...nothing could be less semantical
of course that half wit smeags for some reason gets his jerk off on over message board gotcha's...lives for it actually...so youll have to excuse him
Awww, super fan can't take it. So much so had responded to the wrong thread. :-D
Quote from: smeags on December 29, 2015, 10:56:53 AM
Awww, super fan can't take it. So much so had responded to the wrong thread. :-D
another awesome GOTCHA! moment complete with LOL face....you truly are "special"
Coming from the hippo king, that gotcha comment is gold.
Can't find the link but Bwest went off on him on CSN
Holy shtein. Fired already.
So awesome. Shocking, but awesome.
Utter shock
Lurie has a set of balls after all
Marynowitz goes, but Howie stays? Meh...
Wow credit for boldness to Lurie. Legit shocked.
Wow. Didn't actually think it would happen so quickly, though the national embarrassment may have been too much for Lurie.
Shaking my head here. Wow
Another shocker is they didn't give him the benefit of at least finishing out the season. It's disrespectful to not let him finish out. Lurie must have had it. Good for you, Jeff.
i thought it was a joke when i saw it initially
but damn
big ups to jeffy for admitting it wasnt working
Quote from: SD on December 29, 2015, 07:25:10 PM
Another shocker is they didn't give him the benefit of at least finishing out the season. It's disrespectful to not let him finish out. Lurie must have had it. Good for you, Jeff.
That was my first reaction too - firing with one game left is a slap in the face.
I hope we find out what went down...there's more to this than just on the field performance.
Wow. Total gut job, engage.
farging awesome !
Quote from: Butchers Bill on December 29, 2015, 07:26:32 PM
Quote from: SD on December 29, 2015, 07:25:10 PM
Another shocker is they didn't give him the benefit of at least finishing out the season. It's disrespectful to not let him finish out. Lurie must have had it. Good for you, Jeff.
That was my first reaction too - firing with one game left is a slap in the face.
I hope we find out what went down...there's more to this than just on the field performance.
possible scenario
jeff: so chip what are we going to do to fix this
chip: not much jeff, everythings ok. good talent, good team. just gotta do a better job
jeff: so billy-
chip: great defensive mind
jeff: and these receivers?
chip: great talent
jeff: get out
Holy shtein!!
Big time shocker
Shocker but you have to endorse it, Jay.
Quote from: MDS on December 29, 2015, 07:25:18 PM
i thought it was a joke when i saw it initially
Same here. It was the top story on my fb and I didn't beleive it. Thought it would be one of those prank links, but it was direct from the eagles. Then I doublechecked the spelling to make sure someone didn't get extra creative with their tomfoolery.
Quote from: Butchers Bill on December 29, 2015, 07:26:32 PM
Quote from: SD on December 29, 2015, 07:25:10 PM
Another shocker is they didn't give him the benefit of at least finishing out the season. It's disrespectful to not let him finish out. Lurie must have had it. Good for you, Jeff.
That was my first reaction too - firing with one game left is a slap in the face.
I hope we find out what went down...there's more to this than just on the field performance.
Normally I'd agree with the slap in the face, but farg this guy. He's done nothing to warrant even the slightest profressional courtesy.
manny acho taking the first shot....many more to come
cant wait for the hit jobs
I'm not the least bit shocked. This season proved Kelly doesn't have what it takes to win in the NFL. He's a smart guy but he's mad stubborn and refuses to adjust his thinking and that's a killer in the pro game. Too bad for all of us. I was hoping he was the one who'd finally win us a Super Bowl.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on December 29, 2015, 07:34:22 PM
Quote from: MDS on December 29, 2015, 07:25:18 PM
i thought it was a joke when i saw it initially
Same here. It was the top story on my fb and I didn't beleive it. Thought it would be one of those prank links, but it was direct from the eagles. Then I doublechecked the spelling to make sure someone didn't get extra creative with their tomfoolery.
Same here, so I checked PE.com and it was the top story there with just one small paragraph, and I'm thinking the site and FB were hacked....ha
Quote from: Sgt PSN on December 29, 2015, 07:35:51 PM
Quote from: Butchers Bill on December 29, 2015, 07:26:32 PM
Quote from: SD on December 29, 2015, 07:25:10 PM
Another shocker is they didn't give him the benefit of at least finishing out the season. It's disrespectful to not let him finish out. Lurie must have had it. Good for you, Jeff.
That was my first reaction too - firing with one game left is a slap in the face.
I hope we find out what went down...there's more to this than just on the field performance.
Normally I'd agree with the slap in the face, but farg this guy. He's done nothing to warrant even the slightest profressional courtesy.
Oh there's no empathy or sympathy coming from me. I agree - farg this guy.
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:yay :yay to jeff
"I'm shocked Cotten!"
Considering all the positive stuff that was out there about Marynowitz, that seems a bit premature. Meh.
As for Chip...Bye felicia.
Quote from: SD on December 29, 2015, 07:19:20 AM
They asked this weasel about being the gm, he said I'm not the gm I'm in charge of player personnel. I don't scout the players or negotiate contracts, Ed Marynowitz does all that. just pick the players.
Ike Reese on CSN says he thinks this ^^^^ was the final straw. That Chip didn't have the integrity to say he made bad moves, that he put the blame off on someone else.
Either he refused to be stripped of the GM role or refused to make staff changes is my guess. He wanted out but didn't want to quit and this was his way to do it
A&M peeps are yelling for him to replace Sumlin
an awesome surprise :yay.
I was actually hoping we'd see Interim Head Coach Duce Staley.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 29, 2015, 07:49:34 PM
Either he refused to be stripped of the GM role or refused to make staff changes is my guess.
That would be my guess.
How fast he's announced as the coach of some college program probably tells you how serious he was taking this whole NFL thing.
Quote from: QB Eagles on December 29, 2015, 07:52:37 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 29, 2015, 07:49:34 PM
Either he refused to be stripped of the GM role or refused to make staff changes is my guess.
That would be my guess.
live by the ego, die by the ego
he may not get another crack in the nfl, and if he went out because of refusing to fire billy davis, then he is the biggest moron ever
but obviously something happened here. 700 on a tuesday is not when coaches are fired.
Lmao... Danny kanell saying the eagles farged up firing Kelly.
Btw ... You know the titans are on the phone with chip.
How funny is it Gus Bradley outlasted Chip
Quote from: smeags on December 29, 2015, 07:57:50 PM
Btw ... You know the titans are on the phone with chip.
so what
Quote from: SD on December 29, 2015, 07:58:29 PM
How funny is it Gus Bradley outlasted Chip
How sad is it that Billy Davis outlasted Chip?
How sad is it that Howie outlasted Chip?
man and to think chip was the 2nd best coach in the nfl going into the season
Extra f you to Chip for leaving the team in shambles. Not a fan of the timing because of the draft and roster situation but farg Chip Kelly.
Quote from: QB Eagles on December 29, 2015, 08:02:09 PM
Quote from: SD on December 29, 2015, 07:58:29 PM
How funny is it Gus Bradley outlasted Chip
How sad is it that Billy Davis outlasted Chip?
Worst defense in the last three years according to one of the beat dudes allowing 388yds per game
What's a good ypg for a beat writer?
Among the things DeMarco Murray told owner Jeffrey Lurie weeks ago was that he had no confidence in Chip Kelly as head coach, I'm told.
From Rapoport
No shtein.
Quote from: rjs246 on December 29, 2015, 08:09:08 PM
Extra f you to Chip for leaving the team in shambles. Not a fan of the timing because of the draft and roster situation but farg Chip Kelly.
The two worst things being inherited by the new (old?) front office are the unmovable contracts for DeMarco Murray and Byron Maxwell. Good luck rebuilding around those cap black holes. Nothing can really be done about those situations until 2017.
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Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 29, 2015, 08:20:33 PM
Among the things DeMarco Murray told owner Jeffrey Lurie weeks ago was that he had no confidence in Chip Kelly as head coach, I'm told.
From Rapoport
I heard the thing that pissed off Murray the most was the absence of fried shrimp on the plane rides home after losses.
shtein got real after that.
Quote from: QB Eagles on December 29, 2015, 08:22:58 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on December 29, 2015, 08:09:08 PM
Extra f you to Chip for leaving the team in shambles. Not a fan of the timing because of the draft and roster situation but farg Chip Kelly.
The two worst things being inherited by the new (old?) front office are the unmovable contracts for DeMarco Murray and Byron Maxwell. Good luck rebuilding around those cap black holes. Nothing can really be done about those situations until 2017.
On the plus side, someone gets the honor of telling Riley Cooper to farg off.
farg Andy Reid too.
just wow. could compress time back to legitimacy by a year or so. otoh lurie really showing how impulsive he is lately. hope there's no marion campbell on the rebound.
So does the team have a big bonfire with all their smoothie blenders or what?
They're renting a really big blender to put all the other blenders into.
Quote from: JackStraw on December 29, 2015, 08:25:40 PM
otoh lurie really showing how impulsive he is lately.
He's getting old. 15 years down the road we will recognize this as when he made his first tentative steps toward Jerry Jones/Al Davis "I gotta win before I die, so let's go crazy" status.
I'll take 15 years of crazy throwing shtein at the wall to see what sticks over 15 years of sticking with the wrong guy again.
Quote from: General_Failure on December 29, 2015, 08:30:43 PM
I'll take 15 years of crazy throwing shtein at the wall to see what sticks over 15 years of sticking with the wrong guy again.
Agreed. I want them to win before I die too.
les struck out getting chip at his own house just as glazer tweeted about a convo with him
poor les
Players apparently weren't told
of course they werent, it happened at 700 at night
I have been on the West Coast for a few years now, but am watching the CSN Philly live feed right now. When did Rube put on 200 pounds? Christ...
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Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 29, 2015, 07:49:34 PM
Either he refused to be stripped of the GM role or refused to make staff changes is my guess.
That would be my guess.
That is what Sal Pal is reporting now....chip said no
Glazer
Just talked to Chip Kelly, disappointed how it ended but knows it's a results-oriented biz. Insists he wants to remain in the NFL, not college. Was pulled into mtg w owner, said he didn't fight the decision.
So wait... Chip refused to be flexible?
I find that impossible to believe.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 29, 2015, 08:44:00 PM
Quote from: QB Eagles on December 29, 2015, 07:52:37 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 29, 2015, 07:49:34 PM
Either he refused to be stripped of the GM role or refused to make staff changes is my guess.
That would be my guess.
That is what Sal Pal is reporting now....chip said no
Which one was it?
I'm curious if it was a case of getting fired over keeping Billy Davis, or getting fired because Howie put a binder in front of Jeff documenting all of Chip's mistakes and what he would have done instead.
Oops...the stripping of the GM role
Quote from: MDS on December 29, 2015, 08:38:28 PM
les struck out getting chip at his own house just as glazer tweeted about a convo with him
poor les
I'm cracking up at thinking of Les knocking on the door and getting shut down
He did tweet that two big pick up trucks pulled out as he left though
Quote from: QB Eagles on December 29, 2015, 08:22:58 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on December 29, 2015, 08:09:08 PM
Extra f you to Chip for leaving the team in shambles. Not a fan of the timing because of the draft and roster situation but farg Chip Kelly.
The two worst things being inherited by the new (old?) front office are the unmovable contracts for DeMarco Murray and Byron Maxwell. Good luck rebuilding around those cap black holes. Nothing can really be done about those situations until 2017.
The two missing draft picks will help.
The whole thing is a wreck but whatever. Chaos can be fun.
i think theres flexibility on murray after next year...same for maxwell
realistically next year is going to be a disaster no matter what, so
i mean whoever they hire is going to need 2-3 years locked in. you have to give them a chance to clean this up. this team is devoid of talent and full of culture.
Just got home and saw the news. My reaction:
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I have a feeling Sean McDermott is going to be the new coach and if that happens ughhhhh
One thing I'll be happy to see again... offensive huddles.
And please, please, please bring in a defensive coordinator who runs the 4-3. Pretty please with sugar on top?!?
Reports that three nfl teams have already inquired about chip - only one has an opening
Quote from: QB Eagles on December 29, 2015, 08:49:46 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 29, 2015, 08:44:00 PM
Quote from: QB Eagles on December 29, 2015, 07:52:37 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 29, 2015, 07:49:34 PM
Either he refused to be stripped of the GM role or refused to make staff changes is my guess.
That would be my guess.
That is what Sal Pal is reporting now....chip said no
Which one was it?
I'm curious if it was a case of getting fired over keeping Billy Davis, or getting fired because Howie put a binder in front of Jeff documenting all of Chip's mistakes and what he would have done instead.
its possible he was simply fired because hes terrible at everything he does...team has been headed downhill since releasing pimp...lurie saw it going into the abyss and got rid of the guy who had it headed there...i suspect he fired a bad employee...no more no less
he was clearly thinking about it, but you dont just fire a dude at 700 on a tuesday
jeff told him he was taking his pp duties away and chip told him to farg off. so jeff fired him.
we probably will never know but i disagree....i think it was a direction of the team thing...the firing with a week still to go was more about who you are firing...with chips firing you literally have to revamp the entire organization...from the team cooks and training staff to the gm and president
this weeks game means nothing and next week you can interview assistants who have byes....this needed to start as early as possible...this wasnt simply a gm firing a coach...this was a owner firing his president of football ops gm coach trainer team psychologist dietician etc...better to start the new plan right away...instead of next week
If that was the case he gets got Sunday or Monday - not Tuesday night.
More Glazer;
In my convo w Chip he said next stop he just wants to coach & insists he does NOT want to be the personnel guy too. This is significant
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 29, 2015, 10:49:27 PM
If that was the case he gets got Sunday or Monday - not Tuesday night.
In my convo w Chip he said next stop he just wants to coach & insists he does NOT want to be the personnel guy too. This is significant
chip made his player personnel [power move last year...lurie already knew where he stood on that...lurie could have fired him anytime this season if that was the issue cause he already knew where chip stood...problem was the division was so bad they were never out of it until this week....couple days of internal meetings and the move is made this week where they get a head start on the revamp
also chip said he didnt want to do personel when the eagles hired him...dook is a straight up fraud
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 29, 2015, 09:42:02 PM
Reports that three nfl teams have already inquired about chip - only one has an opening
Lurie going with a really bold move and bringing Chip back with a bigger payday.
Quote from: QB Eagles on December 29, 2015, 08:22:58 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on December 29, 2015, 08:09:08 PM
Extra f you to Chip for leaving the team in shambles. Not a fan of the timing because of the draft and roster situation but farg Chip Kelly.
The two worst things being inherited by the new (old?) front office are the unmovable contracts for DeMarco Murray and Byron Maxwell. Good luck rebuilding around those cap black holes. Nothing can really be done about those situations until 2017.
I think with a new offensive scheme, Murray will be salvageable. He's much better than what we saw this year. Since the Eagles are stuck with him, might as well hope the next GM and coach can get the most out of him because Chip sure as farg didn't.
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 29, 2015, 10:58:41 PM
also chip said he didnt want to do personel when the eagles hired him...dook is a straight up fraud
Lol. Did Lurie put a gun to his head and make him take the GM job?
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Somebody's happy
ballsy move by jeffy
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He out-ballsed Chip. Pretty impressive. Hopefully he doesn't screw it up this time.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on December 29, 2015, 11:54:07 PM
Quote from: QB Eagles on December 29, 2015, 08:22:58 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on December 29, 2015, 08:09:08 PM
Extra f you to Chip for leaving the team in shambles. Not a fan of the timing because of the draft and roster situation but farg Chip Kelly.
The two worst things being inherited by the new (old?) front office are the unmovable contracts for DeMarco Murray and Byron Maxwell. Good luck rebuilding around those cap black holes. Nothing can really be done about those situations until 2017.
I think with a new offensive scheme, Murray will be salvageable. He's much better than what we saw this year. Since the Eagles are stuck with him, might as well hope the next GM and coach can get the most out of him because Chip sure as farg didn't.
both are salvagble...its not like either one is super old...murray I agree with....stop running stretch plays and delays with him and he will be fine in a rb tandem with Mathews
maxwell needs to be a 3rd qb so his exposure is minimized and he will work
they both are going to be grossly overpaid but as players I think their negative impact can be eliminated with the right scheming and coaching...neither of which chip could do
Firing Kelly was the least surprising thing the Eagles did this year as well as the best thing they did this year. Since I suppose I have to provide documentation
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Billy Davis gotta go.
Only defense is he's been handed a pile of shtein by the smartest man in the room. I'd like to start by hoping and praying the spineless Jew sells this franchise. Him and his little rah rah speech in Boston, give us a farging break.
Chip's not going anywhere. I do think there's a chance Davis is shown the door. Of course they could have better talent, but the talent isn't "repeatedly give up 40 points to turd teams" bad.
I wouldn't be surprised one bit if Kelly gets fired. Lurie had talked about a mistake he made with Reid was keeping him around too long, and no matter what Lurie doesn't want Kelly as gm. Lurie could also try to just take away the GM role and cut CK no sack in hopes he walks away and Jeff saves the money he would have owed firing Kelly.
Quote from: Susquehanna Birder on December 30, 2015, 08:18:06 AM
He out-ballsed Chip. Pretty impressive. Hopefully he doesn't screw it up this time.
Going with Howie as GM isn't a good start
I think (hope) Howie is either a band-aid until a real GM is hired or will be limited in power and will defer to someone else on personnel decisions.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 30, 2015, 10:51:12 AM
Quote from: Susquehanna Birder on December 30, 2015, 08:18:06 AM
He out-ballsed Chip. Pretty impressive. Hopefully he doesn't screw it up this time.
Going with Howie as GM isn't a good start
still protecting chip til the end...its admirable but sad...this is like the 10th time you've mentioned howie since chip was fired...but not one criticism of chip...hes your new bradford the guy you go after ad nausea instead of chip
howie has only had one draft but im sure hes a ten times better evaluator than chip...that said i would prefer howie smolenski EVERYONE go and start anew....its the perfect time to do that
i cant tell...serious question: did you actually want chip back or are you just unable to criticize him?
I actually probably would've been fine if Chip was back so long as someone competent was directing player personnel. However that wasn't going to happen at this stage so...
QuoteLurie didn't go into his meeting with Kelly with the intention of firing him, I'm told. More, it was to take his temperature and continue to feel him out and gather information that would lead to his ultimate decision on what to do with his organization in 2016. Obviously, things went sideways and what Kelly had to say didn't mesh with the owner's vision, and Lurie became convinced that for as radical as a Week 17 firing might be perceived, it was time to do it. The fact that Kelly didn't seem inclined to scratch and claw to remain in his perch, sources said, did him no favors as well.
this jives more with my initial thinking
chip told lurie nothing needed to change...billy good, receivers good, talent good, etc. lurie was like what the farg? this guy is out of his mind. combine that with nobody in the novacare liking chip and him being a total dick, the embarrassments at home and national tv, and lurie just said screw it. you gone.
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Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 30, 2015, 10:51:12 AM
Quote from: Susquehanna Birder on December 30, 2015, 08:18:06 AM
He out-ballsed Chip. Pretty impressive. Hopefully he doesn't screw it up this time.
Going with Howie as GM isn't a good start
still protecting chip til the end...its admirable but sad...this is like the 10th time you've mentioned howie since chip was fired...but not one criticism of chip...hes your new bradford the guy you go after ad nausea instead of chip
howie has only had one draft but im sure hes a ten times better evaluator than chip...that said i would prefer howie smolenski EVERYONE go and start anew....its the perfect time to do that
i cant tell...serious question: did you actually want chip back or are you just unable to criticize him?
You have issues.
How in the farg can you equate my distaste for Howie to some convoluted Chip defense?
Chip's time was up. He hung himself with his awful GM moves and being stubborn to a fault. Amongst other issues.
Find something else to try to work me over about. Although it is funny that you rip me for hating on Bradford and Howie yet you steady blast just about everyone and everything because you're a real fan.
Howie sucks. You IN on him being the GM to get this team right?
I have fired people before and that description matches some meetings I have had.
Just this past summer I had a guy where the meeting was supposed to be a "coaching" session to see if we could salvage him, but the meeting went south very quickly. Fired him the next day. shtein like this happens in the real world every day so not surprised to see it in the NFL.
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on December 30, 2015, 11:12:20 AM
I actually probably would've been fine if Chip was back so long as someone competent was directing player personnel. However that wasn't going to happen at this stage so...
chip was gross on every level...last year i was still on board with him possibly being a solid X/O head coach...but as every game went by you could see more and more how incompetent he was on the field...even if he was a good X/O guy he was so bad with player relations and the locker room that it didn't matter...he had lost much of the team over the past couple of years and he had to go
to me its going to be fascinating going forward to see how much chip self evaluates and changes...first thing he needs to do is come off his ludicrous culture bullshtein...but can you see him ever doing that?...its like his foundation...but if he doesn't he will never succeed in the nfl
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 30, 2015, 11:31:30 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 30, 2015, 11:06:28 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 30, 2015, 10:51:12 AM
Quote from: Susquehanna Birder on December 30, 2015, 08:18:06 AM
He out-ballsed Chip. Pretty impressive. Hopefully he doesn't screw it up this time.
Going with Howie as GM isn't a good start
still protecting chip til the end...its admirable but sad...this is like the 10th time you've mentioned howie since chip was fired...but not one criticism of chip...hes your new bradford the guy you go after ad nausea instead of chip
howie has only had one draft but im sure hes a ten times better evaluator than chip...that said i would prefer howie smolenski EVERYONE go and start anew....its the perfect time to do that
i cant tell...serious question: did you actually want chip back or are you just unable to criticize him?
You have issues.
How in the farg can you equate my distaste for Howie to some convoluted Chip defense?
Chip's time was up. He hung himself with his awful GM moves and being stubborn to a fault. Amongst other issues.
Find something else to try to work me over about. Although it is funny that you rip me for hating on Bradford and Howie yet you steady blast just about everyone and everything because you're a real fan.
Howie sucks. You IN on him being the GM to get this team right?
its not the fact that you don't want howie as gm...i don't think anyone does
but since chip was got you said ONE thing about it "shocker!" and since then have mentioned howie about ten times
the imbalance is amazing considering the bullshtein we just went thru with chip for the past season and the fact that howie has had one draft ever that wasn't even awful
but its no different than this season where i think you may have ripped chip once in 16 weeks and ripped billy d and called for marc sanchez about 500 times
i just want to know if chip has pictures of you or something....cause i don't get it
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 30, 2015, 11:37:35 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 30, 2015, 11:31:30 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 30, 2015, 11:06:28 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 30, 2015, 10:51:12 AM
Quote from: Susquehanna Birder on December 30, 2015, 08:18:06 AM
He out-ballsed Chip. Pretty impressive. Hopefully he doesn't screw it up this time.
Going with Howie as GM isn't a good start
still protecting chip til the end...its admirable but sad...this is like the 10th time you've mentioned howie since chip was fired...but not one criticism of chip...hes your new bradford the guy you go after ad nausea instead of chip
howie has only had one draft but im sure hes a ten times better evaluator than chip...that said i would prefer howie smolenski EVERYONE go and start anew....its the perfect time to do that
i cant tell...serious question: did you actually want chip back or are you just unable to criticize him?
You have issues.
How in the farg can you equate my distaste for Howie to some convoluted Chip defense?
Chip's time was up. He hung himself with his awful GM moves and being stubborn to a fault. Amongst other issues.
Find something else to try to work me over about. Although it is funny that you rip me for hating on Bradford and Howie yet you steady blast just about everyone and everything because you're a real fan.
Howie sucks. You IN on him being the GM to get this team right?
its not the fact that you don't want howie as gm...i don't think anyone does
but since chip was got you said ONE thing about it "shocker!" and since then have mentioned howie about ten times
the imbalance is amazing considering the bullshtein we just went thru with chip for the past season and the fact that howie has had one draft ever that wasn't even awful
but its no different than this season where i think you may have ripped chip once in 16 weeks and ripped billy d and called for marc sanchez about 500 times
i just want to know if chip has pictures of you or something....cause i don't get it
I mean what else needs to be said about Chip. You want me to whip up an obit on him? Wanna rehash the stupid moves he's made? Wanna talk about his degradation into an unapproachable recluse? He's gone. He's no longer the coach.
So I, because I am a fan, turn to what is here and what it means for our franchise moving forward. And it appears that Howie is gonna get more run at GM. I haven't been a fan of his...sue me.
This Lurie PC is gonna be fascinating
Quote from: MDS on December 30, 2015, 11:27:16 AM
QuoteLurie didn't go into his meeting with Kelly with the intention of firing him, I'm told. More, it was to take his temperature and continue to feel him out and gather information that would lead to his ultimate decision on what to do with his organization in 2016. Obviously, things went sideways and what Kelly had to say didn't mesh with the owner's vision, and Lurie became convinced that for as radical as a Week 17 firing might be perceived, it was time to do it. The fact that Kelly didn't seem inclined to scratch and claw to remain in his perch, sources said, did him no favors as well.
this jives more with my initial thinking
chip told lurie nothing needed to change...billy good, receivers good, talent good, etc. lurie was like what the farg? this guy is out of his mind. combine that with nobody in the novacare liking chip and him being a total dick, the embarrassments at home and national tv, and lurie just said screw it. you gone.
for a reporter you do a terrible job sourcing your quotes
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 30, 2015, 11:44:09 AM
I mean what else needs to be said about Chip.
lolol...this is beyond hilarious...billy davis has been destroyed since the day he was hired....three years of bashing...yet you found the time to kill him non stop all this year...chip going into this season was a genius in most eyes and people including you had them winning the superbowl but there was nothing negative to say about him at all this year and definitely not after he was fired
if they kept chip as coach and he fired billy davis after this season you would not said anything right?...no good riddance...no how he wasn't agrresive....etc...silence right?...cause after all he no longer would have been the DC?...in fact id bet a weeks salary after chip was fired you have made mention somewhere of well at least billy davis isn't the DC anymore
its a fact that you are in the bag for chip and have been every step of the way to an almost unhealthy degree...i seriously want to know why even up to right now you still are?....its an honest question...is it because you think hes a great coach?
Quote from: SunMo on December 30, 2015, 11:46:26 AM
Quote from: MDS on December 30, 2015, 11:27:16 AM
QuoteLurie didn't go into his meeting with Kelly with the intention of firing him, I'm told. More, it was to take his temperature and continue to feel him out and gather information that would lead to his ultimate decision on what to do with his organization in 2016. Obviously, things went sideways and what Kelly had to say didn't mesh with the owner's vision, and Lurie became convinced that for as radical as a Week 17 firing might be perceived, it was time to do it. The fact that Kelly didn't seem inclined to scratch and claw to remain in his perch, sources said, did him no favors as well.
this jives more with my initial thinking
chip told lurie nothing needed to change...billy good, receivers good, talent good, etc. lurie was like what the farg? this guy is out of his mind. combine that with nobody in the novacare liking chip and him being a total dick, the embarrassments at home and national tv, and lurie just said screw it. you gone.
for a reporter you do a terrible job sourcing your quotes
la conforna...whatever that wops name is
and currently i am a digital marketing specialist (the title is bs) and also this is a message board
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 30, 2015, 11:54:02 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 30, 2015, 11:44:09 AM
I mean what else needs to be said about Chip.
lolol...this is beyond hilarious...billy davis has been destroyed since the day he was hired....three years of bashing...yet you found the time to kill him non stop all this year...chip going into this season was a genius in most eyes and people including you had them winning the superbowl but there was nothing negative to say about him at all this year and definitely not after he was fired
if they kept chip as coach and he fired billy davis after this season you would not said anything right?...no good riddance...no how he wasn't agrresive....etc...silence right?...cause after all he no longer would have been the DC?...in fact id bet a weeks salary after chip was fired you have made mention somewhere of well at least billy davis isn't the DC anymore
its a fact that you are in the bag for chip and have been every step of the way to an almost unhealthy degree...i seriously want to know why even up to right now you still are?....its an honest question...is it because you think hes a great coach?
I'm not in the bag for Chip. I'm an Eagles fan so I want to win. You have this in your head that I'm Chip's press secretary but that's not even close.
I'm not defending Chip at all. Want to show me where I'm defending him "even up to right now"?
PC pushed back to 1230
Roob and Gunner on and they're saying that Howie will hold them back from getting a real HC and that a strong personnel guy is needed
As an aside - someone get Roob a comb
theres no defense of him...not even you could do that...but you defend him by proxy...first and foremost by never criticizing him...but also by instead killing billy d...or calling for sanchez...or posting 10 times in less than 24 hrs after chip was fired about howie not being the gm....its always something than other than chip...i just wanted to know why...but i see you wont or cant answer it...
time to move on
farg Howie Roseman.
Quote from: Butchers Bill on December 30, 2015, 11:32:48 AM
I have fired people before and that description matches some meetings I have had.
Just this past summer I had a guy where the meeting was supposed to be a "coaching" session to see if we could salvage him, but the meeting went south very quickly. Fired him the next day. shtein like this happens in the real world every day so not surprised to see it in the NFL.
I think it was a little more serious for Lurie than this. He had to already have it somewhere in his mind that Chip's future with the team was questionable at best. I think Lurie was already entertaining the idea of canning him after the season and the meeting left him no doubt that it was time to part ways, so he fired him on the spot. Lurie doesn't seem the type who would make that kind of decision on the spot though He already had it in his head that if the meeting went a certain way, Chip was gone.
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 30, 2015, 12:08:57 PM
theres no defense of him...not even you could do that...but you defend him by proxy...first and foremost by never criticizing him...but also by instead killing billy d...or calling for sanchez...or posting 10 times in less than 24 hrs after chip was fired about howie not being the gm....its always something than other than chip...i just wanted to know why...but i see you wont or cant answer it...
time to move on
You're killing me.
I disliked Davis from the jump
I hated the Bradford trade
I disliked Howie as GM and don't want him as GM again
So why WOULDNT I post about those things?
And I'm sorry I have never ripped Chip enough for your liking. In which chapter of the Super Fan Bible is this edict?
Here is a list of people shteintier than Howie Roseman: Sheldan Adelson the end. Someone murder these two people, you will be my hero.
We just missed John Idzik.
jeffy:
decision to fire chip was made before the meeting happened
happened tuesday to get a jump start on rebuild
to give a chip a chance to get out there
and to engage all the players this week and not just for a few minutes before they head home for the offseason
This entire press conference has been Jeffrey lying.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 30, 2015, 12:13:46 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 30, 2015, 12:08:57 PM
theres no defense of him...not even you could do that...but you defend him by proxy...first and foremost by never criticizing him...but also by instead killing billy d...or calling for sanchez...or posting 10 times in less than 24 hrs after chip was fired about howie not being the gm....its always something than other than chip...i just wanted to know why...but i see you wont or cant answer it...
time to move on
You're killing me.
I disliked Davis from the jump
I hated the Bradford trade
I disliked Howie as GM and don't want him as GM again
So why WOULDNT I post about those things?
And I'm sorry I have never ripped Chip enough for your liking. In which chapter of the Super Fan Bible is this edict?
why do you keep taking the bait ??
Sounds like it is The Howie & Donohoe show and no GM
A collaborative effort
Lurie says he gave Chip power so he could be held accountable and now he's being held accountable
you gotta show your heart.
they are destined to fail with a collaborative effort in the player personnel
so, business as usual then.
as if you didnt know chip was lying the entire year
jeff said he went to him and begged for full control. he got it. he sucked at it. he was fired.
who in the farg would went this fat weasel as their head coach
Quote from: SunMo on December 30, 2015, 12:56:29 PM
they are destined to fail with a collaborative effort in the player personnel
totally agree...you have to have a powerful head at the top who hires a great scouting department...sounds like since he gave his last two coaches full power hes going the other way now
Quote from: smeags on December 30, 2015, 12:57:30 PM
so, business as usual then.
its actually the complete opposite of the way its been
Quote from: SunMo on December 30, 2015, 12:56:29 PM
they are destined to fail with a collaborative effort in the player personnel
From Roob
Lurie just clarified that there will be no conventional general manager. Howie will oversee Donahoe, who will serve as de facto GM.
Yay!
Also Lurie said he'd consider retired coaches.
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 30, 2015, 01:03:05 PM
Quote from: smeags on December 30, 2015, 12:57:30 PM
so, business as usual then.
its actually the complete opposite of the way its been
Oh the team has been successful ?
Quote from: smeags on December 30, 2015, 01:08:17 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 30, 2015, 01:03:05 PM
Quote from: smeags on December 30, 2015, 12:57:30 PM
so, business as usual then.
its actually the complete opposite of the way its been
Oh the team has been successful ?
what the farg are you talking about?
we are talking about the team switching from having a guy who is in full control of everything to having a committee now decide things
Quote from: smeags on December 30, 2015, 12:46:59 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 30, 2015, 12:13:46 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 30, 2015, 12:08:57 PM
theres no defense of him...not even you could do that...but you defend him by proxy...first and foremost by never criticizing him...but also by instead killing billy d...or calling for sanchez...or posting 10 times in less than 24 hrs after chip was fired about howie not being the gm....its always something than other than chip...i just wanted to know why...but i see you wont or cant answer it...
time to move on
You're killing me.
I disliked Davis from the jump
I hated the Bradford trade
I disliked Howie as GM and don't want him as GM again
So why WOULDNT I post about those things?
And I'm sorry I have never ripped Chip enough for your liking. In which chapter of the Super Fan Bible is this edict?
why do you keep taking the bait ??
8)
Boom
Quote from: Sgt PSN on December 30, 2015, 11:03:13 AM
I think (hope) Howie is either a band-aid until a real GM is hired or will be limited in power and will defer to someone else on personnel decisions.
I'm proud of Jeff. He tolerated Chips lies because if the teams successful why make Chip look bad. As soon as he had enough he fired his ass and told the truth. That's what an owner with a sac would do. I give credit to his new wife too.
Will be another fun ride of an off-season.
Quote from: SD on December 30, 2015, 01:17:42 PM
I'm proud of Jeff. He tolerated Chips lies because if the teams successful why make Chip look bad. As soon as he had enough he fired his ass and told the truth. That's what an owner with a sac would do. I give credit to his new wife too.
so you forgive him for the solar panels and wind turbines ?
i thought lurie came off really weak in the PC. talking about a coach that will open his heart and not establishing a strong front office structure.
the coach opening his heart stuff and lurie talking about spending this week with his players just shows how much chip poisoned that place with how he dealt with people....it reminds me of the quote in the offseason from someone in the organization about how everyone from the cafeteria workers to upper level executives hated chip
the front office stuff is not good
Quote from: SunMo on December 30, 2015, 01:35:25 PM
i thought lurie came off really weak in the PC. talking about a coach that will open his heart and not establishing a strong front office structure.
Yeah the FO structure is an issue
http://blacksportsonline.com/home/2015/12/fans-call-chip-kelly-after-firing-from-eagles-yell-go-pats-video/
if he wants Howie to be the GM he should just do it. this collaborative effort is bullshtein. i'm actually in the minority when it comes to Howie because i think after the Danny Watkins 2011 draft disaster he admitted he changed things up as far as their scouting.
2012 draft was real good
Round 1 - Fletcher Cox, DT, Mississippi St. - Story
Round 2 - Mychal Kendricks, LB, Cal - Story
Round 2 - Vinny Curry, DE, Marshall - Story
Round 3 - Nick Foles, QB, Arizona - Story
Round 4 - Brandon Boykin, CB/KR, Georgia - Story
Round 5 - Dennis Kelly, OT, Purdue - Story
Round 6 - Marvin McNutt Jr, WR, Iowa - Story
Round 6 - Brandon Washington, OL, Miami - Story
Round 7 - Bryce Brown, RB, Kansas State - Story
2013 is ok but not great. This was Chip's first year and I doubt he was running it but had heavy input
2013 1 4 Lane Johnson
2013 2 35 Zach Ertz TE
2013 3 67 Bennie Logan DT
2013 4 98 Matt Barkley QB
2013 5 136 Earl Wolff DB
2013 7 212 Joe Kruger DE
2013 7 218 Jordan Poyer
2013 7 239 David King
2014 and 2015 were all chip
it's only two drafts that I would say are more Howie than anything else but they aren't bad.
2013 was the only year that probably was all or mostly his draft
andy ran all his drafts once he gained full control after modrack was canned
even though howie had the title of gm andy still had final say and ran everything same way maryowitz was gm under chip
2013 picks 1-3 turned out to be pretty good. Barkley turned out to be terrible, but you can't really blame anyone for grabbing him there. He was a consensus top 5 pick the year before, probably even #1. Picks 5-8 are probably what most drafts produce that late. Some fodder, a serviceable player, and guys I don't remember. Basically it's probably a very average draft, which sounds really farging dreamy compared to the last 2.
I'm not really giving a ton of credit for taking Lane Johnson #4 overall. He's an average player. He was the next O-line guy on everyone's chart. Right before him was Luke Joeckel, a guy who is more slowly developing into an average player. If the Eagles draft two picks earlier, I'm sure they would have taken him.
i agree with sunny on 2013 in the sense that its tough to know how much influence chip had...sure seems like he had quite a bit with all the pac 10 guys lane johnson being a super athletic tackle lots of team captains and degree holders etc...
Quote from: QB Eagles on December 30, 2015, 02:31:10 PM
I'm not really giving a ton of credit for taking Lane Johnson #4 overall. He's an average player. He was the next O-line guy on everyone's chart. Right before him was Luke Joeckel, a guy who is more slowly developing into an average player. If the Eagles draft two picks earlier, I'm sure they would have taken him.
True, but they drafted guys right around the spot he should have been taken. It's not like Johnson had a bunch of 3rd round grades assigned to him like a certain LB did. And he didnt just learn how to play football 4 years ago between calls for pulling cats out of trees. Sometimes you pick the right player in the right position and he still doesn't fully work out. Other times it works out beyond expectations. I can live with it either way.
Johnson, if nothing else is serviceable. Not what you hope for with a #4 (I think) pick, but it's definitely better than a total bust who can't play at all.
howie might have had the "final call" in 2013, but thats when he and chip were on speaking terms, so there was definitely a ton of collaboration
ertz and especially barkley have chip's DNA all over them.
I'm not ready to blow up the '15 draft yet. Agholor being awful this year is tanking it, but Hicks was great and Rowe was actually pretty decent once he got on the field. It's too early to really evaluate. Certainly not lumping it in with the 2014 dumpster fire just yet.
simply based on the fact that they wont be exclusively drafting guys that chip either coached or coached against in college, it should be better
roob put howie on blast and cited the danny watkins pick. that was andy. as stated howie hasnt been horrible in talent evaluation, but he certainly hasnt been good. what he is really good at is the jew stuff - negotiating and money management. happy hannukah bitches.
it will be a massive improvement just to draft on talent first
not body type...personality...whether you are a college graduate or not...etc...
Simply look back at the reactions we've all had on previous draft days. We all knew they mostly picked horrendous players. Seemingly everyone on the planet knew it except the iceholes making the picks.
holy shtein....this aint shots fired this is the blitzkrieg
http://mobile.philly.com/beta?wss=/philly/sports&id=363875391
The guy who jerks off to spreadsheets of players sleeping heart rate might have been a control freak? Get out of here.
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 30, 2015, 09:28:07 PM
holy shtein....this aint shots fired this is the blitzkrieg
http://mobile.philly.com/beta?wss=/philly/sports&id=363875391
I was just reading that. Several guys had some interesting quotes today but this was the atomic bomb of them all.
like marcus says too...this aint a loud negro going out the door this is a middle american lineman that chip drafted
http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2015/12/30/players-defend-chip-kelly/
I'm so confused
I don't see much defense or support of chip there...maybe rowe a little...Mathews tries to take the high road and lane you can see wants go murder the guy but tries his best to hold back...obviously as it says in the piece lj's comments were before he let loose on chip later on
guaranteed you only read the headline tho which could be one of the worst and misinformed ive ever seen
also I don't think anyone thinks that every player that's ever played under chip hates him...but the complete lack of silence from his supporters is deafening
No...but I see Assumeville is still population you.
I read it but I was posting as a joke because I don't see much defending there
i think you read the headline that said players defend chip and you were so giddy and proud that you posted it as quickly as possible without actually reading it
but that's just me
Yep that's just you, buddy.
Your assumption that's I'm some Chipaholic is...like always...wrong
when did you first want him fired?...give me a month and year
never is neither a month or a year
I'll let you two comb through my posts
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 30, 2015, 11:56:48 PM
I'll let you two comb through my posts
show me just one where not confronted you called for his firing much less criticized him
No one cares, just farg already.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 27, 2013, 07:41:08 PM
Romey are you saying Chip gets no blame today?
Letting Barkley keep running read option
Going for it
Not calling a run to get points before half with a rookie QB who got minimal practice snaps
Punting it
Not adapting his offense to game situations
Hello Havas
wow im seriously impressed...oct 2013....I think I said there might be five in three years...but seriously I asked for one and you got it quick fast...too bad low IQ smeags wasn't awake hed be posting faces by the dozens
now what month and year did you want him fired?...this is the million dollar question?
My life is validated now that I've impressed you
I don't recall a date when I first wanted him gone. I remember posting that it was time though.
yeah that was today
Negative
I have like 60k posts here... You're welcome to get your search on and see when I first said it
Since it matters so much
you never said it before...that's the point...wouldn't have even said it today if not pressed...also the fact that he is gone helped too...like hes not the eagles coach anymore so maybe you could tepidly say it was time
mmmhmm ok
Earlier today I started an IGY/MDS ask Phreak Serious Questions thread, as a separate place in which they can indulge their unhealthy infatuation over every single thing J says, thinks or feels about the Eagles. I had an appointment though, so didn't complete posting it.
Was that a good or bad thing? Could it have redefined the very concept of homerism itself? Ushering in a progressive new era of trivial semantics? With ground breaking questions that people still don't give a shtein about? The lack of a response here could indicate we don't still don't give a farg.
lol
I still maintain that such a show would kill the ratings on WIP.
We'd argue from "good morning"
"What's so good about it?!"
philly sports radio is for real fans not homers...youd never get a shot
me and lil guy would kill it tho....id be the hater and hed be fair but willing to destroy people when necessary
lolol
Today was great with the amount of "get cowher" calls.
Quote from: Eagaholic on December 31, 2015, 12:47:04 AM
Earlier today I started an IGY/MDS ask Phreak Serious Questions thread, as a separate place in which they can indulge their unhealthy infatuation over every single thing J says, thinks or feels about the Eagles. I had an appointment though, so didn't complete posting it.
Was that a good or bad thing? Could it have redefined the very concept of homerism itself? Ushering in a progressive new era of trivial semantics? With ground breaking questions that people still don't give a shtein about? The lack of a response here could indicate we don't still don't give a farg.
Homerism to igy is anything remotely complimentary of a Philadelphia team
homerism is like porn you cant define it but you know when you see it
on the other hand you easy pg and the like are homer bukkake and easy to identify...altho ive never seen anything quite like you
Homerism is like an empty term fox news manufactures to try and incite idiots running around screaming and pointing "Homer!... Homer!" so terrorists don't homer on us, especially with new years celebrations coming up, when they can be most dangerous.
The obsession with Jay not saying exactly what IGY thinks he should say is ridiculous and makes these threads unreadable and unpostable.
I think you guys are distracting from the real issue, which is determining the exact moment Phreak decided Chip Kelly should be fired.
Quote from: Eagaholic on December 31, 2015, 01:28:15 AM
Homerism is like an empty term fox news manufactures to try and incite idiots running around screaming and pointing "Homer!... Homer!" so terrorists don't homer on us, especially with new years celebrations coming up, when they can be most dangerous.
like conservatives homers are also incredible thin skinned...except j who is the man and lives for this shtein...he is like the anne coulter of homers...nothing can fade him and you never know if what he says is what he really believes
he truly is the best
lol, I wouldn't disagree
id also recommend that every follow j on twitter...there is nothing in the world like it
fire chip kelly
hire j's twitter writer
lol
Christ - two farging pages of this bullshtein. Shut up, already.
You know, I seem to remember someone recently crying about being caught in "gotcha moments" on the internet.
can't think of who it was, hmmm, can anyone give me hint ?
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 31, 2015, 12:53:05 AM
philly sports radio is for real fans not homers...youd never get a shot
Can't say I agree with this at all....especially when it comes to the callers. The hosts might be keeping it real most of the tim (and maybe that's what you're getting at), but if the callers who get on the air are any indication, then I'd say it's an even split at worst.
callers are for the most part over reactionary morons
in the beginning of the season they were anointing chip king of football.....by the end of it they wanted him hung in a public square
the whole philly fans "are intelligent" thing is just insane. people here are by and large dumb like they are everywhere else. the difference is they just care more.
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 31, 2015, 01:13:23 AM
homerism is like porn you cant define it but you know when you see it
on the other hand you easy pg and the like are homer bukkake and easy to identify...altho ive never seen anything quite like you
I laughed at this.
Quote from: MDS on December 31, 2015, 11:02:07 AM
callers are for the most part over reactionary morons
in the beginning of the season they were anointing chip king of football.....by the end of it they wanted him hung in a public square
the whole philly fans "are intelligent" thing is just insane. people here are by and large dumb like they are everywhere else. the difference is they just care more.
This is probably the most on point thing you've posted here.
And thinking about it, homerism is actually pretty easy to define.
It's when your favorite team sucks but you think that somehow, someway they can Major League themselves into the playoffs with the exact same roster.
It's when you think that each and every player somehow gives a single farg about the city they play in despite the fact they're most likely from no where even close to said city. Or if you think the players should be boasting with team pride.
If you're from South Jersey.
Side note: Small group of people tailgating next to us last week and this one dude kept talking about how Tebow should have been the QB this year. I asked him if he was from South Jersey and he's like yeah, why? No reason.
Jersey is Delco with higher taxes.
Quote from: Rome on December 31, 2015, 06:58:21 AM
Christ - two farging pages of this bullshtein. Shut up, already.
Quit your bitching. You had a chance...and voted no. Enjoy the hippos.
Mildly surprising to see Belichick offer up thoughts. I know they're buddies but usually Bill just mumbles some support and moves on. But he went as far as to say players who have left have t done shtein.
The problem isn't the guys he let go; it's the guys who replaced them.
That's actually a pretty retarded perspective, especially for the hoodie. There's usually so much more that contributes to a players success/production than talent alone, especially in football. The 3 most notable departures have been pimp, shady, maclin.
Maclin has had a very solid season. Don't forget, this was a Chiefs team that went a season+ without a WR catching a td. And they've only won like 8 or 9 in a row now.
Pimp missed a lot of time due to injury, but going back to last season, he was easily the difference maker in the racists beating the Eagles and being a playoff spoiler. Even if pimp only played that 1 game last year, he all but singlehandedly killed the Eagles season last year.
Shady has been banged up, but he's been pretty productive this year when he's on the field.
But it's not about what they've done elsewhere, it's about what they did when they were here. No doubt that all 3 basically had the best individual seasons of their careers under chip. That makes his decision to part ways with all of them exceptionally baffling.
Boykin wouldve been nicee to still have in the db backfield.
I liked Boykin and it was still an awful trade at the time, but I'm not losing much sleep over him being gone. I don't think he would have been that kind of difference maker and he wasn't resigning here anyway. That said, he probably would have at least got a shot to play on the outside. No way he could be any worse than maxipad was.
Mathis at Guard, the list goes on and on.
Bottom line is Chip's ego is too big and he's too arrogant to realize scheme and culture aren't as important as talent in the NFL.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on January 01, 2016, 03:25:12 PM
No way he could be any worse than maxipad was.
What makes you say that? Maxwell was a bad signing and has performed well below his contract, but he's an average outside CB at worst. Boykin is currently stranded on the Pittsburgh depth chart behind a guy who is worse than Maxwell.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on January 01, 2016, 12:54:08 PM
That's actually a pretty retarded perspective, especially for the hoodie. There's usually so much more that contributes to a players success/production than talent alone, especially in football. The 3 most notable departures have been pimp, shady, maclin.
Maclin has had a very solid season. Don't forget, this was a Chiefs team that went a season+ without a WR catching a td. And they've only won like 8 or 9 in a row now.
Pimp missed a lot of time due to injury, but going back to last season, he was easily the difference maker in the racists beating the Eagles and being a playoff spoiler. Even if pimp only played that 1 game last year, he all but singlehandedly killed the Eagles season last year.
Shady has been banged up, but he's been pretty productive this year when he's on the field.
But it's not about what they've done elsewhere, it's about what they did when they were here. No doubt that all 3 basically had the best individual seasons of their careers under chip. That makes his decision to part ways with all of them exceptionally baffling.
Excellent observation. Joe College dumps all three after showing what they can do in this offense. No, I was never sold on this gimmick offense as most of us weren't but if this is what you are going to throw out there why/how you lose all three and replace them with nothing is beyond baffling.
Lacanfora
http://mweb.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/jason-la-canfora/25435367/chip-kellys-people-skills-a-large-part-of-his-undoing-in-philadelphia
Being considered in TEN, CLE and SF
Quote from: Rome on January 01, 2016, 12:52:45 PM
The problem isn't the guys he let go; it's the guys who replaced them.
mack was a free agent and shady a rb who they got something for...so you can def excuse those guys going
however pimp is a wr whose skill set it almost irreplaceable and worse than that they gave him to a division rival for free...that move was absolutely inexcusable
They used a #1 draft pick and a #2 pick to replace him. They missed on both.
you don't give away for free a game changing player who is under contract and super hard to replace because your plan is to take a wr in the next draft....thats a preposterous philosophy
I disagree. You should always give away your best players for nothing.
Keeps your opponents on their toes. Scares 'em a bit. They start to think, "I'm dealing with a mad man!"
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 03, 2016, 02:21:01 PM
you don't give away for free a game changing player who is under contract and super hard to replace because your plan is to take a wr in the next draft....thats a preposterous philosophy
I didn't see one thing that gives me hope Agholor will be nothig more than Todd Pnkston. Seriously, nothing. Maybe it was the gimmick offense, maybe it was the big stage, maybe he's not that good but he often looked tentative and lost out there.
I think its too early to write him off but thinking it was ok to cut pimp because you drafted agholor and/or jordan mathews is not a smart way of doing business
Algholor appears to be 5x faster than Pinkston, though that could just be the new age HD talking.
(http://www.baconsports.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/chip-kelly-eagles-jerseys.png)
I felt like I was throwing money away by writing fire chip on a dollar store Santa hat. Those 2 are ridiculous.
Also, hit/no
had to be a bit awkward if they got separated at the game or went off on their own at all...with the gf walking around with a farg shirt and all. :paranoid
:-D
Yeah, that's one brave girl to wear that without any accompanying jersey.
Lower level hoes be frumpy.
get em JIMBO
QuotePHILADELPHIA (CBS) — New Philadelphia mayor Jim Kenney is not a fan of Chip Kelly. In fact, Kenney recalled the time Kelly snubbed him at a grocery store after a 31-20 Eagles victory.
"I didn't like him," Kenney told Angelo Cataldi and the 94WIP Morning Show on Wednesday. "There's a saying that says, you'll forget what people say and you'll forget what people do, but you never forget how people make you feel. And I live in Olde City and three years ago, it was a Sunday night [October 13th, 2013] about ten o'clock. Eagles had played [the] Tampa Bay [Buccaneers] away and they were losing most of the game and they came back and won. And I walked across the street into this little grocery store to get some milk or whatever and Chip, he was living in the neighborhood at the time. And the only two people in the store was he and I, and the owner.
"And I said, 'Hey coach great game.'
"And he turned away and never said a word and walked out the door. And as he walked out the door, I said, 'Andy Reid would have said thank you.' It was that kind of attitude and that stuck with me. And I said to myself, if he's a great coach I'll overlook that because Bill Belichick isn't exactly the friendliest guy either, but they win. And when he didn't win and with that personality, I was like, you know what? I'm done with it."
Kenney, 57, grew up in South Philadelphia. He graduated from Saint Joseph's Prep in 1976 and received a bachelor's degree from La Salle University. He bleeds green.
"If you're a Philadelphian — and I'm not just talking about Philadelphia city," Kenney said. "I'm talking about the region and South Jersey. If you're a Philadelphian, the Eagles are in your DNA. It's part of who you are.
"Through the course of my life, every Sunday was centered around football. It was church and football and actually I think church has taken a back seat these days to the NFL. But football was it."
There is only one professional jersey Kenney wears.
"I will not wear anyone's jersey other than Brian Dawkins," Kenney said. "I do not wear other professional jersey of any team, but Brian Dawkins, and I only wear it on tailgate day at the Linc."
What are the chances that it was REALLY Chip at that little store? Maybe Jim was still hung over from his tailgate.
in jim we trust
plus that IS chip....he does it to his own players...you think hes gonna engage with a fan...i used to try and tell J how much chip hate him and would spit in his face if he ever approached and j used to take oofense to that...but thats who chip kelly is
I don't recall that conversation.
Maybe you and lil guy had it?
its happened a few times this thread is one instance....btw all five pages are classic idiot homer stuff...cept me of course
http://www.concretefield.info/forum/index.php?topic=21821.0
Oh yeah go back and read my responses. I think I made it clear I didn't care?
Don't forget to get out lil guys nugget "I have no problem with what Chip is doing"
even though thats just 1 part of me making fun of you claiming chip is bb...i dont. the culture thing was overblown, like the smothies and sleep monitors. what wasnt was discarding talent for gym rats.
What the farg is wrong with you people?
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 06, 2016, 03:34:53 PM
Oh yeah go back and read my responses. I think I made it clear I didn't care?
Don't forget to get out lil guys nugget "I have no problem with what Chip is doing"
that was late in the game...there are other threads where you were in full mock/salt mode when I told you that chip despised philly and the fanbase
lil guy was full chipbot for most of his tenure....but so was just about everyone
untrue, but i just pooped a solid for the first time since saturday so im not steppin to
Quote from: rjs246 on January 06, 2016, 03:52:10 PM
What the farg is wrong with you people?
Do you need an itemized list?
I'd probably run out of ammo.
The Niners have met with Chip
he begged for that
there is no prayer him and baalke can coexist...2 egos 2 many
bartokamus?
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/25442296/desean-jackson-chip-kelly-ruined-eagles-bad-karma-comes-back-to-you
via http://cbssportsapp.com
Spot on by Jackson.
According to Schefter, the Niners job is down to Chip or Shanahan and the decision will probably be made today.
:-D
If they hire Chip he reunites with Gamble and gets a read option QB
Hmmm
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 14, 2016, 12:53:52 PM
If they hire Chip he reunites with Gamble and gets a read option QB
Hmmm
already has one on the roster there.
chip sucks at being an nfl coach
just because the qb might be fast doesnt mean shtein....why are people so fascinated by him?
Quote from: smeags on January 14, 2016, 12:54:50 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 14, 2016, 12:53:52 PM
If they hire Chip he reunites with Gamble and gets a read option QB
Hmmm
already has one on the roster there.
Yeah that's my point
He's poised to make a big trade, move up, and snag Jared Goff.
Or get hosed, trade his current QB, and lose a bunch of draft picks in the process.
SF hired Chip.
:-D
Who wins a playoff game first?
Chip
Or
Howies puppet
No presser until next week
Which Niners will be want gone?
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 14, 2016, 02:16:13 PM
Which Niners will be want gone?
They don't have any players who are good enough to release.
Maybe we can trade him Josh Huff for a 1st and 2nd?
if he can last more than one year he will be visiting the linc in 2017
the odds of him and baalke getting along are roughly 0%
i believe chip will change his culture worshiping and stupid scheme before he curbs his ego
wonder how long before the "fire chip kelly" threads pop up on the niners boards.
Took nine months here so
October 2016 on Niners.com?
maybe later today
http://www.sfchronicle.com/49ers/article/49ers-new-coach-Chip-Kelly-brings-baggage-6759256.php?t=bd3456bb71da9fb8e6&cmpid=twitter-premium
Cooper and Huff for a 2nd.
Calling Truck Rathman...
Of all the head scratching hires ever made in the nfl, this is the scratchiest. They had a better version of Chip when they had Harbaugh.
harbaugh and chip couldnt be more different
their ceo is 35...hes probably an analytics nerd and loves chips sports science and other "advanced" bullshtein
Talking about the way they clashed with other execs in the front office. The same problems that SF supposedly had with Harbaugh are much of the same problems that Chip had in Philly.
yeah i dont think jed york sees chip that way...i think he sees him as a visionary that he will get along great with...where as harbaugh was a crusty old school son of a bitch
Can't disagree with that. Ultimately though, this is probably going to come down to what players think of Chip, and I don't see him changing his methods that much. As long as SF keeps him out of the FO, there's a chance it could work out ok, but he's gotta relate to veteran players better than he does now. Guys on their rookie contracts might be down with his shtick because they're still in college mode, but veteran players were the ones that soured on him the most and the fastest, and you can't sustain winning in this league with a roster full of young'uns and cast off free agents desperate enough for a job that they'll drink the smoothies.
yeah thats the biggest difference btwn harbaugh and chip...harbaugh is tough...but hes a players coach....chip was savant recluse rat bastich who everyone hated...if he doesnt get his locker room in order like you said its not going to matter what jed thinks of him
WR Coach Bob Bicknell is heading out to San Fran with Chippah. Who the farg is going to teach these receivers how to drop passes now?
I'm glad he's gone.
Is Billy Davis still a thing? I don't remember seeing anything about him being gone. Was hoping Chip would have hired him by now.
Still technically under contract and wouldn't be fired until a new coach is brought in and decides on his staff
The Jags are interested in him, apparently.
Watching his presser right now. Was asked why it took almost 2 weeks to hold a PC and he said it's because he didn't have a change of clothes.
Bay area media is really lobbing a bunch of softball questions up there. Only 1 question so far asking about his relationship with players/coaches/executives in Philly. And the person asking it sounded like he was scared shteinless to ask it.
Everything else was been weak as farg. Someone actually asked him what kind of dog he has.
Now some schmuck asked what kind of books he likes to read and what kind of guy is he. Lol.
Claims he's not a micromanager. I don't think he understands what that means.
So much for the softball questions "Some call you anti-social, border line crazy about football"
Quote from: Sgt PSN on January 20, 2016, 02:10:46 PM
Watching his presser right now. Was asked why it took almost 2 weeks to hold a PC and he said it's because he didn't have a change of clothes.
while it took him longer than most coaches....it was five days not two weeks
He's in heaven out there then...a weak sauce media and a fan base that doesn't show up and doesn't give a shtein
Saw he threw some shade at Howie today when talking about the FO structure and being aligned with a "football guy".
Regardless of how one feels about Chip having Howie in a player personnel decision making role is a severe hindrance
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 20, 2016, 04:52:02 PM
He's in heaven out there then...a weak sauce media and a fan base that doesn't show up and doesn't give a shtein
what are you talking about....bay area is a top 10 market and 49ers have one of the biggest fanbases in the sport
the whole "philly market" thing was so overblown with chip. hes a socially awkward megalomaniac that lives in his own bubble. he could be coaching in nyc or bismarck, north dakota and he would be the exact same person and do the exact same things.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 20, 2016, 05:14:50 PM
Saw he threw some shade at Howie today when talking about the FO structure and being aligned with a "football guy".
Well the Eagles FO fired his boy Tom Gamble. Gamble in turn clearly had a role in getting Kelly this job.
That firing was interpreted by many as a Howie power play, but I still suspect that given the way that all went down and how silent everyone still is about it, that he got canned for HR reasons that would get anyone fired at a normal job. Besides, it wasn't long after that that Howie himself got pushed out of power.
You talk in TV terms
Take a gander at their attendance and how much they give a shtein
Or are you now gonna be a contrarian and say WC fans are good?
attendance means nothing in the nfl since every team sells out pretty much every game....but out of pure curiosity i just looked it up and they had 103.4% capacity this year. they were 12th and the eagles were 15th.
bay area people are legit into their teams. people going to games now might be silicon valley folks, but that comes with the new stadium. tv markets have a direct correlation to what you were talking about, too. if chip really didnt want attention, hed go back to college or wouldve begged for the titans job. he can hide there.
he will not hide in farging san francisco, one of the biggest cities in the country with a national fan base. remember when they won 100 super bowls? yea. they have eons of people across the country who like them. you are so out of your element with this stuff please just stop.
Stop defending Chip to the death, Chipbot.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on January 20, 2016, 02:16:50 PM
Bay area media is really lobbing a bunch of softball questions up there. Only 1 question so far asking about his relationship with players/coaches/executives in Philly. And the person asking it sounded like he was scared shteinless to ask it.
Everything else was been weak as farg. Someone actually asked him what kind of dog he has.
well you would have to be dumb as farg to piss off the head coach during the first press conference.
Quote from: MDS on January 20, 2016, 07:32:14 PM
attendance means nothing in the nfl since every team sells out pretty much every game....but out of pure curiosity i just looked it up and they had 103.4% capacity this year. they were 12th and the eagles were 15th.
bay area people are legit into their teams. people going to games now might be silicon valley folks, but that comes with the new stadium. tv markets have a direct correlation to what you were talking about, too. if chip really didnt want attention, hed go back to college or wouldve begged for the titans job. he can hide there.
he will not hide in farging san francisco, one of the biggest cities in the country with a national fan base. remember when they won 100 super bowls? yea. they have eons of people across the country who like them. you are so out of your element with this stuff please just stop.
the fans you are correct about in terms of pure attendance...but in terms of caring and talk radio and general noise they aren't LA but they are church mice compared to a big Midwest or northeast city...and media attention wise theres no comparison btwn philly and san fran...san fran is basically the pro version of Oregon...they care about the team but not really and they certainly don't obsess over it
i wasnt comparing them to philly, ny. chicago, etc....obviously they are different beasts
but the bay area is fairly big. multiple sports talk stations. multiple large dailies. multiple csn's. its pretty big time shtein and the 49ers are pretty big time. is it going to be as bad for him as it was in philly? no. of course not. but its not going to be st louis, kc, minnesota, jacksonville, etc.
They are beating and stabbing people at games over there, so SF seems to care at least a little. It was a good pull for Chip, beats Nashville. Rough division though.
It's not healthy for Eagle fans to follow the 49ers too closely from here on out. Let's just hang back, laugh at his fat ass when he flames out, or curse Howie and Lurie when he makes the playoffs while Doug is still figuring out how to speak in public.
Quote from: MDS on January 20, 2016, 08:01:54 PM
i wasnt comparing them to philly, ny. chicago, etc....obviously they are different beasts
but the bay area is fairly big. multiple sports talk stations. multiple large dailies. multiple csn's. its pretty big time shtein and the 49ers are pretty big time. is it going to be as bad for him as it was in philly? no. of course not. but its not going to be st louis, kc, minnesota, jacksonville, etc.
those cities are like the purdue of college football...san fran is the Oregon....philly the Alabama...san fran is a perfect place to chill out in where you can still say you have a good job...its good for chip because they love winning but don't really care about losing
The Bay Area, especially south and north of the city along the coast, is pretty much a paradise. The single biggest regret I have is not moving there in my early 20's after college. I was thisclose to pulling the trigger but I allowed myself to be talked into moving to this rat hole for 6 months.
Raiders fans are the real deal, incidentally. They're a different breed than 49er fans. There's really no comparison between the two.
raider fans are great as long as you don't need anyone to sit in your upper deck
(http://media.bizj.us/view/img/1629761/img1848*750xx4000-2250-0-375.jpg)
The ones that are there are every bit as hard core as you or I, dude. That place isn't even a stadium. It's the NFL equivalent of a farging toxic waste dump built on top of Chernobyl.
The future of the Raiders is interesting. The team doesn't really have any money. The stadium is a toilet. The city isn't going to build shtein for them. They got $100 million from the rest of the NFL but they have nothing to use it on.
Yet, the city is booming because it's the only place anyone can afford to live in the Bay Area unless you're a six-figure Google engineer or an art director for a major advertising campaign. If they could hold on there, maybe one day that situation would turn around in a big way.
Honestly it would make sense to sell the team to someone with deeper pockets, but this is the Davis family we're talking about. What's the gameplan, assuming the Chargers go to LA? Trying to get into the SF stadium?
So Chip rides and dies with Billy Davis here but he won't bring him to SF?
When it comes to chip, it's more like ride and lies.
Quote from: phattymatty on January 20, 2016, 07:40:56 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on January 20, 2016, 02:16:50 PM
Bay area media is really lobbing a bunch of softball questions up there. Only 1 question so far asking about his relationship with players/coaches/executives in Philly. And the person asking it sounded like he was scared shteinless to ask it.
Everything else was been weak as farg. Someone actually asked him what kind of dog he has.
well you would have to be dumb as farg to piss off the head coach during the first press conference.
True as this may be, if the roles were reversed and Chip was coming to Philly after a shtein show in another city, I'm fairly certain that Philly media would come at him harder than the Bay Area media and Sacramento Bee did.
http://www.csnbayarea.com/49ers/source-49ers-hire-oneil-defensive-coordinator/
He hired another zesty DC
its marcus hayes, who is a talentless cock, but
http://mobile.philly.com/beta?wss=/philly/sports/eagles&id=368548741
http://www.9news.com/sports/evan-mathis-writes-about-impending-surgery-chip-kelly-how-less-was-more-in-year-with-broncos/51017282
Englebert Humperdinck! lolol
It's kinda sad that after winning a Super Bowl a guy like Mathis is still holding hurt feelings over how he was treated by his ex-coach. The Eagles resurrected his career, after all, when few teams were interested in him.
But hey, he got the last laugh, so it's all good.
like a douchebag like chip kelly is going to get the last laugh on someone?
add in the fact that he was the coach of a franchise who has never had the last laugh and it was disaster waiting to happen from the day he was hired
Quote from: Rome on February 23, 2016, 11:38:56 AM
It's kinda sad that after winning a Super Bowl a guy like Mathis is still holding hurt feelings over how he was treated by his ex-coach. The Eagles resurrected his career, after all, when few teams were interested in him.
But hey, he got the last laugh, so it's all good.
I don't get this. The coach and the team are not one and the same here. It's not like Kelly was the one who found him on the scrap heap, made him good, then tossed him aside. He probably owes his career to Reid more than anyone else. Taking a shot at Kelly has nothing to do with the Eagles, especially since Kelly isn't even with the team anymore.
Mathis got the last laugh.
Yeah but Glenn didn't after negan saw him.
Quote from: smeags on February 23, 2016, 04:06:47 PM
Yeah but Glenn didn't after negan saw him.
[spoiler]now that's spoiler tag worthy...also Lucille[/spoiler]
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/03/30/report-chip-kelly-alienated-scouts-took-over-draft/
QuoteReport: Chip Kelly alienated scouts, took over draft
Posted by Mike Florio on March 30, 2016, 11:40 AM EDT
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Last week, former Eagles coach Chip Kelly continued to push the ridiculous narrative that he didn't run the show in Philly. This week, someone has leaked to the media details that further prove Kelly is full of something other than smoothies.
A former member of the Philadelphia front office told Matt Lombardo of NJ.com that Howie Roseman and the team's scouts had little input over the draft during Kelly's three seasons with the team. The biggest example came from the decision-making process that resulted in the selection of linebacker Marcus Smith in round one.
"Right before that [2014] draft, the scouts set the board," the unnamed former employee told Lombardo. "Then Chip got a hold of it and totally turned it around. Scouts had no say at all in that draft. Anybody that Chip didn't want, that player's card got removed from the board and thrown in the trash. Those guys were never even in the discussion.
"Almost immediately, you had a lot of scouts looking around and wondering, 'Why am I even working? Why the hell are we even here?' We put all of this work in, put the information in and Chip changed everything and took whoever he wanted to take."
The source, who said that he had a third-round draft grade on Smith, explained that Kelly would listen to former front-office exec Tom Gamble, but that Kelly wouldn't listen to Roseman.
"It just wasn't a good relationship," the source told Lombardo.
The not-so-good relationship hit the fan after the 2014 season, when Roseman fired Gamble and Kelly responded with a showdown that resulted in Kelly getting the keys to the car and Roseman being promoted to executive V.P. of football operations while also being physically exiled by Kelly from football operations.
Then the 2015 season came, the Eagles struggled, and Kelly was held accountable for it with his job. By quickly landing a new job in San Francisco, Kelly's methods arguably were validated.
Which is something that should make 49ers G.M. Trent Baalke a little nervous, especially if Kelly has success right out of the gates with his new team.
as ive said for years all you have to do is look at each draft since chip arrived and 100% of the players picked in someway fit his profile...whether it was pac 12 guys he had faced...oregon guys...guys with a degree...versatile guys...long guys...culture guys...ect...
and marcus smith was obviously one of his guys
I mean christ if you could see out of one half of one eye it was clear as day he ran all the drafts
Clearly sucking ass was way up there on Chip's check list.
I still love Marcus Smith's reaction and quick rebuttal regarding Chip's firing:
QuoteSmith originally said he was "ecstatic" about the surprise firing of coach Chip Kelly. A few hours later on Wednesday, he said he meant a different word.
"Apologize for the confusion," Smith Tweeted. "Earlier today in an interview I misspoke and used the word ecstatic to describe my reaction. I meant surprised."
How soon can they ship has ass off to SF?
He's gotta blow out a knee before Chip will remember who he is.
nm
why can't pics just be pics anymore? I can't post a photo anymore.
JP takes Chip's scheme to the woodshed (http://www.phillymag.com/birds247/2016/07/28/jason-peters-chip-kelly-philadelphia-eagle/)
Quote from: QB Eagles on July 28, 2016, 09:48:14 PM
JP takes Chip's scheme to the woodshed (http://www.phillymag.com/birds247/2016/07/28/jason-peters-chip-kelly-philadelphia-eagle/)
fairly confident JP will be back to form this season. gonna be nice when the opposing defense doesn't call out the play before the QB does.
I don't expect Peters to be healthy even though Chip won't be burning him up. Dude is too big and too old for his back not to get zesty. Or his ankles. Or whatever.
I was chips biggest critic from day one and im glad hes gone but I think peters is scapegoating a little...chip certainly didn't help but I think father time is more to blame than chip
oh im sure he'll have some nagging pain. I just think he'll somehow find a way to play through it for any HC not name chip Kelly.
is he going to be back to form or is he going to play thru injuries....big difference
I think we can all agree that JP is past is prime and won't recover his form from 4 years ago AND that Chip's style hurt him / made him decline probably more rapidly than he would've otherwise.
back to form is probably too strong a phrase but he will better than last year.
He gained the weight back to play at 345 - said he feels stronger
he feels stronger because he hasn't played football in nine months and father time don't give a farg bout your weight
Still waiting for a vet to come into camp saying he feels slow and old and five years off his prime.
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on July 29, 2016, 03:44:33 PM
I think we can all agree that JP is past is prime and won't recover his form from 4 years ago AND that Chip's style hurt him / made him decline probably more rapidly than he would've otherwise.
dont you bring your rational takes to this discussion
Quote from: Diomedes on July 29, 2016, 11:28:49 AM
I don't expect Peters to be healthy even though Chip won't be burning him up. Dude is too big and too old for his back not to get zesty. Or his ankles. Or whatever.
Jason Peters just limped off practice field. Training staff checking his ankle.
brandon graham saying on BOB that chip losing shady mack and pimp basically destroyed the locker room...he said " I don't want to say people gave up but it was something"
also said chips philosophy of teaching in the film room versus on the field was not good
easily most shocking thing he said tho.....favorite philly sports team: flyers
"chip kelly is the 2nd best coach in the nfl"
https://theringer.com/chip-kelly-san-francisco-49ers-offense-f332f053870e#.68vqxw95m
Quote from: MDS on September 09, 2016, 01:41:06 PM
"chip kelly is the 2nd best coach in the nfl"
https://theringer.com/chip-kelly-san-francisco-49ers-offense-f332f053870e#.68vqxw95m
He's one of my favorite reads. That was an excellent column.
That was good
I noticed a quote from Sproles in Domo's article about how he like this offense much better than under Chip because it has a lot more plays.
theres like four people on earth who never believed the dumb ass chip hype...even after the washington game....even after 10 win seasons....like from the start.....and me and sarge are two of them
the rest of you should be ashamed for believing that stupid shtein
Who are the other two?
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 09, 2016, 09:39:20 PM
theres like four people on earth who never believed the dumb ass chip hype...even after the washington game....even after 10 win seasons....like from the start.....and me and sarge are two of them
the rest of you should be ashamed for believing that stupid shtein
Chip had innovative concepts which were effective. The problem is he never evolved when he was here at all.
i honestly never saw the genius even at oregon...he was a very good coach but his offense concepts were no better or worse than 25 other college coaches at the time who ran a read option spread
chip was the donald trump of coaches...and the same way people anointed chip are the same way so many people blindly love trump...granted chip won 10 games twice but even when he made horrible personal moves and terrible draft picks and defenses started saying that they knew all his plays people still looked at him as a genius savoir totally ignoring all the evidence in front of them
i originally blame it on millennial sports writers who saw chip as sort of a football geek/analytical type guy and they went bazerk over him...then the average sheeple football fans jumped all in...its not dissimilar to the hinkie fascination
Still looking for the last of the igy fearsome foursome
Eagles O was legit his first year here. But coaches are smart in the NFL - I think people assumed that as coordinators caught on to his concepts, he'd adjust and stay a step ahead ... and he just refused to do it.
The biggest problem to me is there was never a second shoe to drop. There was no plan in place once people started scheming for what he was doing.
Zanshin. Now you can go to sleep.
But I'm not tired!
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 09, 2016, 10:38:51 PM
Still looking for the last of the igy fearsome foursome
theres obviously more than four but they were one in ten thousand from his hiring to about october 2015
im pretty sure you had them winning the superbowl last year and it wasnt because they were loaded with great players
It's because I can't stomach to pick anyone else to win the do kip and partly to troll lil guy
When they hired him I was cautiously optimistic and wished for more Harbaugh than Petrino/Spurrier
Why? Because the track record for college coaches to the big boys league is lousy
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on September 09, 2016, 10:39:39 PM
Eagles O was legit his first year here. But coaches are smart in the NFL - I think people assumed that as coordinators caught on to his concepts, he'd adjust and stay a step ahead ... and he just refused to do it.
The biggest problem to me is there was never a second shoe to drop. There was no plan in place once people started scheming for what he was doing.
exactly
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 09, 2016, 10:58:11 PM
It's because I can't stomach to pick anyone else to win the do kip and partly to troll lil guy
When they hired him I was cautiously optimistic and wished for more Harbaugh than Petrino/Spurrier
Why? Because the track record for college coaches to the big boys league is lousy
none of this is true
Oh but it is.
Go ahead and look up the thread when he was hired
I'll accept your apology
I still miss the "In Chip We Trust!" people, where'd they all go?
I was all in with Kelly and I won't apologize for it. He lost me when he refused to adapt. I got sick of his retarded no-huddle bullshtein too. In his own way he's like a coach from the 60's who ran the ball and thought the pass was for sissies.
Knowing our luck he'll realize in San Fran that he has to adapt and he'll go on to win multiple Lombardi's.
I remember Lurie's introduction of Chip to the media, where he said he hired Chip not to implement his college offense in the NFL but as a football mind that can continually adapt and innovate.
Chip did the exact opposite of what his boss wanted from him.
Quote from: Rome on September 10, 2016, 09:04:04 AM
I was all in with Kelly and I won't apologize for it. He lost me when he refused to adapt. I got sick of his retarded no-huddle bullshtein too. In his own way he's like a coach from the 60's who ran the ball and thought the pass was for sissies.
Knowing our luck he'll realize in San Fran that he has to adapt and he'll go on to win multiple Lombardi's.
did you read that story? hes doing the exact same thing in sf as he did last year
not to mention sf is devoid of any talent and multiple drafts away from being good. no chance he survives that