Quote2013: Ryan Howard, 34 years old, $20.0 million (14.05 percent of luxury tax threshold)
2014: Ryan Howard, 35 years old, $25.0 million (13.23 percent of luxury tax threshold)
2015: Ryan Howard, 36 years old, $25.0 million (13.23 percent of luxury tax threshold)
2016: Ryan Howard, 37 years old, $25.0 million (13.23 percent of luxury tax threshold
2017: Ryan Howard, 38 years old, $23.0 million or $10 million buyout (13.23 percent or 0.00 percent of luxury tax threshold)
lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALZZ_VcqpoA
Quote from: MDS on October 09, 2012, 12:11:05 AM
Quote2013: Ryan Howard, 34 years old, $20.0 million (14.05 percent of luxury tax threshold)
2014: Ryan Howard, 35 years old, $25.0 million (13.23 percent of luxury tax threshold)
2015: Ryan Howard, 36 years old, $25.0 million (13.23 percent of luxury tax threshold)
2016: Ryan Howard, 37 years old, $25.0 million (13.23 percent of luxury tax threshold
2017: Ryan Howard, 38 years old, $23.0 million or $10 million buyout (13.23 percent or 0.00 percent of luxury tax threshold)
lol
wow
At least he stops getting pay raises after next year. That's good, right?
What's $105 million between friends?
im not sure whats going to funnier: paying him 10 million to go away whens hes 38 or paying him 25 when hes 37 and more washed up than thome was this year
Jesus H. Christ! That is horrible. Oh well, here's to 2018, cheers.
You guys are so negative. I'm sure Howard will be back to hitting 58 homers a year in no time.
Yeah, to bad it will be in MLB The Show.
Todd?
This is from an article I saw in The Bleacher Report defending Lee
QuoteHowever, the most traditional of traditional stats, and the one that unfortunately lacks real meaning — W-L record — is absolutely going to prevent Lee from winning his second Cy Young Award. It's also probably going to prevent him from even placing in the voting.
Quote
The Phillies have hired former big leaguer Wally Joyner as the assistant hitting coach to Steve Henderson. Former Phillies Matt Stairs and Mike Sweeney were rumored to be associated with the job last week.
Interesting hire...haven't heard that name in years.
im sure hes gonna be the one to invent the time machine so choke plays likes hes 27 again
hes gonna mr miagi GRIT's knees
if that doesnt work they will just hook them up to die hard batteries when hes on the bench like christian welp used to do
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 15, 2012, 08:08:59 PM
Interesting hire...haven't heard that name in years.
Damn right. Wally Joyner. Haven't heard that one in a long time.
wally joyner: long time no hear
You know whose name I haven't heard in a long time? Wally Joyner. Yup, been a long time since he played. But it feels good to talk about Wally Joyner after all those years. Let's try and talk about him more frequently so that we don't have to talk about how long it's been since anyone actually talked about Wally Joyner.
I think he's cousins with Seth
Jackie Joyner Kersee, distant cousin. I think she was at the last family reunion.
Cole and Heidi will be on tonight's "Life After Top Chef" (10:00, Bravo). They taped a segment back in April when his foundation was doing a fundraiser. Choke, Papelbon, Kendrick and Victorino may also be on it
Also the Phils are moving to the pricing structure where April and September Monday games against the Rockies are a lot less than July weekend games against the Mets
i hate that cause it brings so many more opposing fans into the stadium
Trade rumors surrounding A-Rod imminent?
(http://www.huntauctions.com/live/img39/17.jpg)
Current bid: $11,516...
Get on it, Havas!
Ruf for Granderson yay or nay
verlander for cloyd yay or nay
Herndon's outta here. Claimed off waivers by Toronto
they just told Mike Mike to leave. outrighted off 40 man.
1 day, 2 awful players gone. its a start.
phillies grab choochs option
dont grab wiggys or contreas
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 29, 2012, 02:25:02 PM
phillies grab choochs option
dont grab wiggys or contreas
Or Polanco
5 down, 20 to go.
I forgot Polanco was on the team.
Anyone got any FA lists? Lil guy? Ed?
google mlb free agents you right wing nutjob
lol
Don't know how complete or correct, but here's a link (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/04/2013-mlb-free-agents.html) I stole from beerdette of PSF.
Quote from: MDS on October 29, 2012, 10:33:00 PM
google mlb free agents you right wing nutjob
lolol...do the work around here, son
Quote from: Geowhizzer on October 29, 2012, 10:38:45 PM
Don't know how complete or correct, but here's a link (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/04/2013-mlb-free-agents.html) I stole from beerdette of PSF.
Underwhelming to say the least.
I bet they sign that prick Cody Ross.
Bring back Brett Myers
texas
Yeah he wouldn't be a good 8th inning guy or anything.
Plus I wanna get some more run from my #39 authentic
he wouldnt and hes one the biggest pricks ever
if they are bringing anyone back its madson, which makes a ton of sense
Yeah I am sure his funholey wife would allow him to come back to Philly...but I would be cool with him coming back too.
Myers in the 8th would be good.
Stop being a frenchman.
i have a better chance of writing for the ny times than myers does of coming back. they hate him. perhaps worse than schilling.
madson they were fighting with but the air has been cleared.
Well maybe I can hope for a return of Crazy Vicente and his sheen of alcoholic sweat?
myers is a total worthless white trash pos but el loco de vicente i would welcome with open arms
CRACK OPEN THE TEQUILLA! ESTE VATOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
would it even be a surprise if myers wasnt in the league next year
he wasnt bad last year, but im not sure how many teams are dying for him to be their 3rd or 4th guy out of the pen
theres only so much you can put up with for what you get in return
If the likes of Chad Qualls and other of his zesty ilk can still find gainful employment then you can bet your bird that Myers will have a job.
im not saying he will be out of the league...just saying it wouldnt be surprising at all if he was
Rollins won his 4 gold glove
easy out
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/10/2013-top-50-free-agents-with-predictions-1.html
Quote3. Michael Bourn - Nationals. The speedy Bourn plays strong center field defense and gets on base just enough. The free agent market generally rewards power, but these days Bourn's skillset is appreciated as well. Bourn has long been speculated as the heir apparent to the Nationals' center field job, and the team's comfort with agent Scott Boras doesn't hurt. Still, this match is far from a lock if we're talking Torii Hunter 2007 money. I don't expect the Braves to re-sign Bourn, but the Phillies are another potential match
Quote5. B.J. Upton - Phillies. Upton's best offensive season was 2007, when the Rays employed Steve Henderson as their hitting coach. Henderson now fills that role for the Phillies, which has to be a plus for the center fielder. Playing on the East Coast might also appeal to Upton, who hails from Norfolk. From the Phillies' point of view, Upton could add some balance and power to their lineup as well as strong center field defense. At 28 there's room for growth with Upton, but the status quo would probably give a team their money's worth. The Nationals and Rangers could be other contenders for his services.
Quote12. Shane Victorino - Braves. Victorino must re-establish his reputation as an above-average outfielder, after an off-year hitting right-handed pitching. I imagine Victorino will be open to all three outfield positions, which would create a wide market potentially including the Braves, Rangers, Nationals, Giants, Orioles, Red Sox, Yankees, Rays, Blue Jays, and Tigers, and if the price is low enough, Reds and Mets. He's a strong Plan B in the likely event the Braves are outbid for Bourn, but if the bidding reaches three guaranteed years on Victorino I can see some teams dropping out.
Quote18. Melky Cabrera - Red Sox. Cabrera, disgraced this year by a 50-game PED suspension and cover-up attempt, could settle for an affordable one-year deal to prove he can provide drug-free offense. The Red Sox will likely be thinking short-term in free agency this offseason, with the most question marks in recent memory. The Orioles, Mets, Phillies, and Mariners are other possible fits, but any team signing Melky will have to brace for a certain amount of media scrutiny as a tradeoff for the bargain contract.
Quote20. Torii Hunter - Yankees. I reported last week that the Angels are highly unlikely to re-sign Hunter. That doesn't close the door completely, but he'll explore the market and probably won't have draft pick compensation attached. A one-year deal is possible, so the Yankees could add him as Nick Swisher's replacement without a long-term commitment. The Rangers, Orioles, and Phillies could be other possibilities.
Quote27. Kevin Youkilis - Phillies. Youkilis' numbers have been trending downward, but the third base market is terrible and he could still secure a multiyear deal. The Phillies have the need, though signing both Upton and Youk would put them near their limit. The Orioles, Dodgers, and Indians are other options if the White Sox don't re-sign Youkilis.
Quote42. Mike Adams - Phillies. The Phillies probably cannot afford all the players I've picked for them, but on an individual level Adams makes sense. The 34-year-old has been a dominant setup man, though he had surgery for Thoracic Outlet Syndrome this month. Adams expects to be 100% by Spring Training, though there is some risk he won't be
Also predicts Madson to the Tigers and Blanton to the Twins
youk is a farging waste
i like jeff kippinger as a good stopgap until whats his face is ready.
keppinger-upton-madson/adams. get those 3 and they maybe they get the 2nd wild card provided hallaDONE isnt truly DONE
Agreed on Youkilis. No thank you.
Get Youk!
Mr. Youk
(http://www.deviantart.com/download/9915505/Mr_Yuck_Sticker.jpg)
http://www.crossingbroad.com/2012/11/in-a-lawsuit-former-phils-batting-practice-pitcher-claims-he-was-defamed-by-ruben-amaro.html
jesus christ that blog is horrible. first 2 sentences and i'm out. that dude is the epitome of douche
Amazing how quickly the Phillies went from being a feel great story to yesterday's sordid news.
lol jayson werth and davey lopes are his character witnesses
this stupid towel head
Reading's new nickname is gonna be the "Fightins"
oh
Is that what they actually settled on? I heard they were changing the name but didn't hear anything about the new one.
I don't think it'll be announced until next week but the team registered "Fightins" and "Fightin Phillies" domains with GoDaddy
IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE SPELLED WITH A "PH!"
denard span?
I wouldn't mind that at all.
http://www.csnphilly.com/baseball-philadelphia-phillies/phillies-talk/Phillies-communicating-with-BJ-Uptons-ag?blockID=799563&feedID=704
Looks like Bossman Junior is the #1 priority. He hovers around the .240 mark and has declined with RISP so he'll fit right in!
Seriously though - I am cool with this. I think with them hiring Henderson he could get him back to 2008 levels. I do worry a bit about his attitude though...he's never been a team first guy.
Another thought - what say you about taking a shot on Joakim Soria?
(http://cache.deadspin.com/assets/images/11/2008/07/mexicutioner.jpg)
Olney reporting Phils are being "Aggressive in their pursuit for a center fielder."
doug glanville?
Victorino.
http://www.crossingbroad.com/2012/11/ryan-howard-is-tailgating-at-the-eagles-game-right-now.html
Choke!
They should see if he can play Tackle
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on November 11, 2012, 02:34:58 PM
http://www.crossingbroad.com/2012/11/ryan-howard-is-tailgating-at-the-eagles-game-right-now.html
Choke!
I've been watching an old, washed-up walking injury wear that jersey all season long. Now I gotta see it during tailgates too?
sarge is a finalist for the cubs color job
at this point the philly sports scene cant go any worse but 9 innings of wheeler would make it so
Man oh man - don't go Sarge.
I watched something on CSN at like 3am this morning called Sports Scrapple and it was the 2008 and 2009 Phillies years in review.
Seeing the part about Harry's death with Wheels and TMac was rage inducing.
PS reliving the 2009 Series also was a nut kick.
not sure where to put this but road trip was decided at todays tailgate.....next august in chicago......phils in wrigley and temple at notre dame
ON!
i think temple might lose that game 65-0
Quote from: MDS on November 11, 2012, 11:25:54 PM
i think temple might lose that game 65-0
who cares....50 cats all rockin random philly gear in south bend jackin the jerk on touchdown jesus
Oh my that would be an awesome trip. I have to make it. I need to see Wrigley and Notre Dame.
And hey - what better than to see Halladay suffer heat exhaustion in person?!?
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on November 12, 2012, 12:25:59 AM
And hey - what better than to see Halladay suffer heat exhaustion in person?!?
lol.....hopefully they miss his turn....he aint trying to see the late august midwest heat
We need seats right behind the dugout or plate.
Imagine having the luck to sit within ear shot if His Smugness?! I'd be in heaven.
lol.....you payin for me?
cant speak for anyone else but ill be going to all three games....and i want two bleachers
And the third behind the plate.
shtein will be cheap by August...the Cubs will be 26 out
http://www.csnphilly.com/pages/video?PID=7nVM2-akk28R4UjA7YTUhO887BoRZF2u3XeA8Y
My man Jimmy! "Its still runs through Philly"
lol at him talking with that suit + hat. he is off the reservation awesome.
Yes he is.
Lets hear some more WIP hate for him and not running balls out though...
i think the word is uppity
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 11, 2012, 11:21:42 PM
not sure where to put this but road trip was decided at todays tailgate.....next august in chicago......phils in wrigley and temple at notre dame
ON!
labor day weekend and me and c were already discussing going
last time i went to wrigley i scalped off a homeless man and got 7th row seats behind home plate for $10/each. face was like 80-90. the people sitting next to us when we got in, who apparently gave the guy the tickets to make some cash, were not happy with me.
but wrigley is awesome, feels like you're at a minor league park.
Quote from: phattymatty on November 13, 2012, 10:01:50 AM
but wrigley is awesome, feels like you're at a minor league park.
Probably because it feels like you're watching a minor league team on the field.
http://markbowman.mlblogs.com/2012/11/15/b-j-upton-visits-with-braves-at-turner-field/
QuoteUpton and Michael Bourn will both likely get five-year deals worth somewhere in the neighborhood of $75 million. The Phillies and Nationals appear to be the most likely suitors for Bourn, who will celebrate his 30th birthday in December.
Two years younger than Bourn, Upton will not turn 30 until the latter portion of the 2014 season. While most of Bourn's value comes via his legs, Upton possesses both speed and power.
With some uncertainty about when Bourn might begin losing his speed, it seems easier to project the value Upton could provide over the next five years.
Upton has increased his home run total each of the past five years and he has recorded at least 31 stolen bases each of the past five seasons. He finished two home runs shy of joining the 30/30 club this past season.
Not really thrilled with either one, but if I have to choose give me Upton. Younger and more tools.
jiwan james son
jiwan james
yeah i want no part of bourn....5 for 75 seems like a deal for upton
i want upton but i'm fearful of putting another low obs guy in this lineup
Reports coming out Marlins have signed Juan Pierre
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on November 17, 2012, 09:14:23 PM
Reports coming out Marlins have signed Juan Pierre
Nice of RAJ to let one of the 3-4 guys who gave a damn last year go... Although, I suspect he caught a little bit of lightning in the bottle and will fall off the shelf, so... Whatever.
this isnt the eagles, no one really quit besides wiggerton who never cared to begin with
they just arent and werent good. no talent. old. slow. still cared, couldnt hack it.
Phils signed stud 3B Josh Fields to a minor league contract to solve their lineup problems...
Chooch suspended 25 games for amphetamines
Chooch suspended for 25 games to start next year for testing positive for amphetamines
i could have told you chooch was a meth head.
Blame it on ADHD. yeaaaaaaaaa
Just got Wilton Lopez from Houston. Not sure who was given up....possibly Valle....
Valle is a good bet considering they signed a catcher too plus Kelly makes him expendable.
he is but youd have hoped they could get more for him than wilton lopez
so far ive only seen valle mentioned on random twitter posts from nobodys. but if it his him, alright, this lopez dude better be good. cause valle was their last legit trade chip.
Per Buster, Upton close to signing with Braves. WTF?
Honestly, they're closer to winning than the Phils. They're younger and have some good young arms.
Yep - he's a Brave
5/75
shtein there goes the world series
I saw some chatter that Hamilton is the real target.
Injury prone addict....hmmmm
Not to mention yet another lefty bat.
hamilton would rival choke for worst contract on the team
hes such an easy target too...streaky, quiet player with a terrible past. if he doesnt start off hitting .400 hes never gonna survive. hey anyone want to buy a house in kenzo with me? i know what we can sell.
I'd love Hamilton at a 2 year deal...anything longer than that and no thanks
Quote from: SD on November 29, 2012, 06:32:48 AM
I'd love Hamilton at a 2 year deal
ha...id love him at a one year deal with unlimited team options
Quote from: MDS on November 29, 2012, 02:14:35 AM
hamilton would rival choke for worst contract on the team
he would melt down so fast in philly it wouldnt be funny...all it would take would be for him to have one slump like that month he had in texas this year and the fans would have him over in camden doing lines off a hookers titty faster than you could say "pass the latkas" at hanukkah dinner
fwiw crasnick just said that a scout and an agent both told him that hamilton will go to the phils
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 29, 2012, 10:30:07 AM
fwiw crasnick just said that a scout and an agent both told him that hamilton will go to the phils
There's no way it's less than 4 years. farging RAJ never learns even though the Howard/Lee deals have been a disaster. What's one more $20 million per player. Wonder if they'll stop selling alcohol at CBP now.
i think four years is actually a bargain for the upside he can give you....prince got nine years for example
obviously with hamiltons off the field resume he wouldnt never get anything close to that but four seems a little low to me
The Lopez deal (expected to be for Cloyd and Valle) might be falling apart due to his MRI results
Signing Josh Hamilton would be a classic RAJ move. Maybe he'll provide some nice moments within their 79-win season.
if they sign him there needs to be a "back to back hamilton and choke strikeouts with risp" prop bet
OVER
I'd rather have Hamilton @ 5/75 than Upton.
That deal is putrid.
its a bird....its a plane...no its not....its...
HOMER ROMEY
Quote from: BigEd76 on November 29, 2012, 12:26:41 PM
The Lopez deal (expected to be for Cloyd and Valle) might be falling apart due to his MRI results
It's a no. Deal fell through.
Denard Span to Nationals.
Bourn?
Angel Pagan is gonna be the Phils guy I think
That'll work.
big rumors today has two of the following three going to the philles
pagan/swisher/brain dead
Quote from: MDS on November 29, 2012, 03:01:18 PM
its a bird....its a plane...no its not....its...
HOMER ROMEY
75 million dollars for a guy with a sub-.300 OBP?
Oh, yeah... sign me up for that.
And Fonzie agrees with me.
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/phillies/20121129_David_Murphy__Maybe_not_getting_Upton_is_a_blessing_in_disguise_for_Phillies.html
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 29, 2012, 06:26:27 PM
big rumors today has two of the following three going to the philles
pagan/swisher/brain dead
Swisher?
Do not want.
hes a grade A douche but his numbers arent terrible
plus...joanna garcia
Going to have to be more specific on "brain dead"
victorino
YOU LEAVE MY SHANEY ALONE, YOU!
Would have been my first guess, but Hamilton did do a lot of drugs
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on November 29, 2012, 10:30:39 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 29, 2012, 06:26:27 PM
big rumors today has two of the following three going to the philles
pagan/swisher/brain dead
Swisher?
Do not want.
If his price is reasonable, very much do want.
QuoteThere is definitely surprise among some club executives that Schierholtz is available as a free agent now...
Apparently, per Olney, 10 teams immediately went after Schierholtz after he was non-tendered by Smugly.
Soooo...even if he is not in your plans, why not tender him and sign him and then trade?!
(http://image.spreadshirt.com/image-server/v1/compositions/103760348/views/1,width=280,height=280,appearanceId=5.png/free-chooch_design.png)
id love to here the camden county excuses for chooch....thats gotta be straight hilarity
wait until they all predict that hell hit .350 again in 2013
in fact no less than 5 people here will predict that very thing. you know who they are. where rome at? whats up brotha!
romey defending foles because the offensive line sucks was classic
will anyone talk themselves into josh hamilton quicker than that guy?
it will be the best bargin in the history of free agency....and we all cant wait to go to the tiki bar in clearwater to celebrate
i've wanted and still want hamilton.
hamilton >>>>> pagan >>>bourn>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>victorino
him and his god can both go to hell....i dont want any zealots on my team and he makes tebow look like a non believer
if he comes here i can guarantee it will not end well
farg that, you always you don't care about guys who are criminals or have a shady background as long as they can play...who cares about his personal beliefs, he can play
it goes to his personality....hes weak...when you are teetering on the edge of destruction and the only thing keeping you from going over that edge is the belief in a ghost then you are ripe for all kinds of bad things to happen....and not just doing lines off hooker titties but smaller things like wip callers and marcus hayes press conference questions...philly is in the bottom three places on earth this guy should end up
will
not
end
well
sunny do you still have a boner for his batting practice show 4 years ago?
or maybe you dont know hes incredibly streaky (last year starting with april, ending in sept--.395, .344, .223, .177, .310, .259). also hes already 31, a cokehead and would last long in philly as i would with halle.
NO
i don't think they're getting hamilton so it's likely irrelevant. i want no parts of pagan though. zeroooooooo.
pagan re-signed with the giants. 4 for $40M
cue Romey overreaction to contract amount
Damn....so its Michael Bourn or bust?
or Pineapple head
Yeah I forgot about him...screw it - bring him back. I read Boston was hot on his trail though.
Read the Twins want Blanton and Royals want Brett Myers
Signing Bourn Hamilton or Swisher takes away the 1st round pick 16th overall according to Gelb
Bring Braindeadorino back
Only so you and I can rip his ass at every bungled move he makes.
Quote from: Don Ho on December 03, 2012, 10:00:57 PM
Only so you and I can rip his ass at every bungled move he makes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMOGaugKpzs
Ed Wade wrote fiction (http://www.amazon.com/Delayed-Honor-ebook/dp/B00A8PDAMW/)
J, tell me how it is
Oh jesus christ....hell to me would be being forced to read that and Wheels' book while listening to continuous loops of TMac calling games.
Smugly McSmuggerson was on DNL and no commented interest in Hamilton and seemed non-interested on bringing back me and Don's boy Shaner
got to give him credit, its a terrible market and hes not jumping the gun....yet
theres still time to gut this worthless team and start the plan for 2014. chooch the roidhead can be traded now, they can easily ship lee out and no one would care, by then itll be justifiable to trade utley and doc since they are both free agents after 2013.
then trade jimmy or move him to 3rd...go with galvis and cesar hernandez up the middle....ride out a horrible 2013 and feast on this FA class http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/02/2014-mlb-free-agents.html
i just fear they are going to do nothing, then try and sell "utley and howard are back" and play that out. then come july when they within 5 or 6 of the second wildcard rube wont gut it because of tv ratings and ticket sales. so theyll of course miss the playoffs and doc, utley, etc. will walk and they wont get anything. farg you rube.
Being a baseball GM isn't in your future, my friend. Ain't no gutting needed.
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/phillies/20121204_Inside_the_Phillies__Phillies_GM_Ruben_Amaro_Jr___Outfield_could_pair_Josh_Hamilton__Darin_Ruf.html
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 04, 2012, 03:19:44 AM
Being a baseball GM isn't in your future, my friend. Ain't no gutting needed.
give me a reasonable plan for them to win the world series this year. like who do they sign, trade for, etc. to get them a roster good enough to win a world series.
go.
Quote from: BigEd76 on December 03, 2012, 11:13:25 PM
Ed Wade wrote fiction (http://www.amazon.com/Delayed-Honor-ebook/dp/B00A8PDAMW/)
J, tell me how it is
Quote1977 Journalism graduate of Temple University
Roger that!
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 04, 2012, 03:35:59 AM
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/phillies/20121204_Inside_the_Phillies__Phillies_GM_Ruben_Amaro_Jr___Outfield_could_pair_Josh_Hamilton__Darin_Ruf.html
"I was busy drying my eyes because Angel is gone," Amaro said as he walked into his sixth-floor suite.
LOL holy shtein thats funny.
Quote from: MDS on December 04, 2012, 02:52:45 AM
then trade jimmy or move him to 3rd...go with galvis and cesar hernandez up the middle....ride out a horrible 2013 and feast on this FA class http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/02/2014-mlb-free-agents.html
GET MCCANN! The thought of him in a Phils uniform hitting in the driving range of CBP makes me happy.
nationals signed Dan Haren for 1 year $13M. their pitching staff is retarded if it stays healthy
dc sports hasnt won anything since 1992 and now btwn the griffins and the nats will win minimum three titles over the next decade....and the caps could easily win a cup or two as well
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 04, 2012, 12:23:38 PM
dc sports hasnt won anything since 1992 and now btwn the griffins and the nats will win minimum three titles over the next decade....and the caps could easily win a cup or two as well
I know we're talking a decade but I'll bet you the Caps, Nats and Skins don't win 3 titles over the next decade
on
skins alone will win multiple
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 04, 2012, 12:36:33 PM
on
skins alone will win multiple
No they won't. They have no high picks for the next few seasons and no cap space to sign fre agents. What you see is what you get for the next few seasons. Plus Danny is still their owner. You're talking about a team that has 3 winning seasons since he's taken over and one playoff win. Don't go dusting your Doug Williams jersey off just yet.
i dont think its going to happen but it wouldnt shock me if they won it all this year....griffin is that good
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 04, 2012, 12:53:16 PM
i dont think its going to happen but it wouldnt shock me if they won it all this year....griffin is that good
You need to get out of Hamsterdam
Griffen is going to go the way of Vick with the injuries. did you see the package ESPN put together of all the hits he's taken so far. holy shtein he gets smoked weekly.
i think once he gets an offensive line they wont run that option anymore...at least i would hope not...their line is atrocious and altho its been risky i think shanahan deserves a ton of credit for coming up with a system that allows them to win with such a bad OL...i just cant imagine it continuing long term
Yes, just like every other athletic, mobile QB... His team will suddenly protect him better and stop using him as much as a runner! GUARANTEED HEALTH AND CHAMPIONSHIPS WILL ABOUND!
Go Phillies.
the difference is hes a ridiculous passer as well....he just doesnt have a line to give him time...calling him a mobile qb is short changin him big time...he can be randall or he can be luck....its up to him...right now the roster neccessitates that he be more randall
ultimately who he will be is steve young
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 04, 2012, 01:34:30 PM
ultimately who he will be is steve young
That's pretty much what I have in mind for him, although I was thinking about a current QB and likened him an Aaron Rodgers type. I think that he'll always be mobile and can extend plays with his legs but once he gets fully acclimated to the league, he'll be like 90% pass and 10% run.....but those runs will be killer.
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 04, 2012, 01:34:30 PM
the difference is hes a ridiculous passer as well....he just doesnt have a line to give him time...calling him a mobile qb is short changin him big time...he can be randall or he can be luck....its up to him...right now the roster neccessitates that he be more randall
ultimately who he will be is steve young
Yet Young only won 1 Superbowl and that team was stacked
he started for like seven years for them...if he plays 10-15 he definitely wins two
rgIII will get 15 years in a watered down nfl...there aint no jimmy johnson cowyboys or brett farve packer teams to go thru anymore
rgIII got a couple superbowls in him
he has Bill O'Brien's Eagles to contend with though
Quote from: SunMo on December 04, 2012, 01:59:57 PM
he has Bill O'Brien's Eagles to contend with though
lol.
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 04, 2012, 12:36:33 PM
on
skins alone will win multiple
Bwahahahahahahahaha...jesus man, get a hold of yourself
can rg3 also play third base?
rumor mill says phils discussing upton for lee
ummmmmm YES PLEASE
not sure i believe this till someone other than Pedro Gomez is reporting it. I'd do it in a second though. if they do this I wonder if they enter the pitching market. same concerns for grienke's mental state that i have for hamilton so i don't see them going that route.
i can't believe Arizona would do that
Why not? List 3 reasons utilizing the maximum amount of racial bias.
Victorino to the Red Sox - 3 years - 39 million.
I don't think they overpaid. In fact I don't think they paid enough.
id trade phifers contract for a bucket of colon polyps
Rumor is the Dbacks want a SS:
http://www.cbssports.com/general/blog/eye-on-baseball/21263690/justin-upton-talks-continue-diamondbacks-seeking-shortstop
Quote#Phillies GM Ruben Amaro on @MLBNetwork just called Justin Upton for Cliff Lee report, "absolutely false." #Dbacks
Quote from: Rome on December 04, 2012, 06:02:13 PM
Victorino to the Red Sox - 3 years - 39 million.
I don't think they overpaid. In fact I don't think they paid enough.
Figured he'd want more years.
Quote from: SD on December 04, 2012, 06:18:16 PM
Rumor is the Dbacks want a SS:
http://www.cbssports.com/general/blog/eye-on-baseball/21263690/justin-upton-talks-continue-diamondbacks-seeking-shortstop
Freddy Galvis? Done!
how bad are they gonna be this year
jesus christ
Thanks to Upton's 5/75, Pagan's 4/40 and Pineapple Head's 3/39...Bourn is rumors to be looking at $80m.
I'm now fully in the get Hamilton camp. I'd rather overspend on him with the chance he's a run producing machine.
Wilton Lopez ended up going to the Rockies.
Quote from: MDS on December 04, 2012, 07:30:56 PM
how bad are they gonna be this year
jesus christ
This. I'm starting early this season.
RAJ and Uncle Cholly both said the starting 3 of Hamels/Halladay/Lee will be back because they're the back bone of the club.
Halladay is toast. He said he's changing his approach but you can't switch it up enough to mask a sub 90's fastball, it just doesn't happen that way.
they just dont get it...it has to be broken down and rebuilt...best case (and very unlikely) scenario is they get a wild card and go out early...worst case is they give some stupid deal to that god worshipping crackhead or bourne and miss the playoffs for the next five years
i wouldnt even mind if they just stood pat and let these deals run out over the next three four years...fine dont blow it up...dont trade lee..ect...but dont add stupid contracts and players
if you're not going to try and build a winner around your staff what's the point in having them. trade them for cheap upcoming players.
you either go all in, or you go all out
im all out....but id rather do nothing than give bourne or hamilton a billion dollars
they arent winning anything no matter what they do...so while i wish theyd rebuild id rather stand pat than make it worse thinking you can win
even if they add a big free agent they still need to have a million things go right to win a world series and if those million things happen they probably would win it anyway...add a veteran bullpen arm if you think it can help...add a solid middle of the road centerfielder and then go with what you have and hope everything falls into place and you have career and comeback years all over the roster
even if you think Halladay isn't going to return to form, isn't he good enough to be a #3? Hamels, Lee, Halladay, Worley, ?? is still a decent rotation assuming clifton isn't awful again.
I put Ruf in left, Dom in right, get a CF and a 3b and see what happens. unless you want to try a Frandsen/Galvis platoon at 3rd and just get a CF, but they can't go into next year with Mayberry as their CF
yeah thats exactly what im saying...im fine with adding a piece here or there and then crossing your fingers
i just dont want them going over the top and giving a huge lengthy FA deal to someone in their 30's
yeah, i'm ok with that. as much as i want hamilton it probably isn't going to work.
and btw, there is nothing wrong with being a decent team who has the possibility to get hot at the end of the year, see every WS champ in the past 5 years
Quote from: SunMo on December 05, 2012, 09:21:07 AM
yeah, i'm ok with that. as much as i want hamilton it probably isn't going to work.
and btw, there is nothing wrong with being a decent team who has the possibility to get hot at the end of the year, see every WS champ in the past 5 years
This is my hope as well. That they can add a few pieces and get hot and make a run. The best team on paper doesn't win in the post seaosn it's the team that gets hot at the right time. Solid pitching and timely hitting. With the Phils they definitely played better the second half of the season, they put that type of effort in for the full season and they easily make the WC.
their bullpen and rotation isnt remotely close to as good as the giants is
i would have blown this up after the 2011 choke but fine, so as long as they dont give out a stupid contract to that crackhead or that midget lefty who is 30 and whose only value is speed, try and win with your lineup of over the hill vets, your mediocre bullpen and your rotation that is a shell of its former self.
see how far that gets you. when youre 10 games under .500 in july do me a favor trade everyone. k thx by.
(http://mobilwi.typepad.com/.a/6a0120a6dde087970b017c344f584c970b-pi)
I always thought it was funny that RAJ used the Braves model of building a team by focusing on a dominating starting staff (and more to the point using up most of the payroll to do it) considering the Braves only won one WFC.
They need offense in the worst way and they need three guys to get to Papsmear. They're out there but the question is are Monty and his bankers ready to pull the trigger to get them over the hump or not?
Rumor circulating the Phillies might acquire 3B Michael Young from Texas for Lindblom and another young reliever like Defratus. Texas would eat half of Young's contract ($16 million). I don't mind this move as a stop gap especially at $8 million and they're giving up two bums.
http://www.nj.com/eagles/index.ssf/2012/12/phillies_links_phils_rangers_i.html
Apparently talks with Bourn are heating up. I'd rather take my chances with Ruf/Brown/Mayberry etc. then sign a 30 year old player who relies on speed and strikes out too much. Makes no sense to sign a player like that to anything more than a 2-3 year deal and even that's a stretch. He's represented by Boras meaning the Phils are going to get stuck with a 5-6 year deal.
It's ugly now, but if they keep going down this path it's going to be REALLY ugly in 3-4 years especially if they keep neglecting to develop their farm system.
I'm fine with Michael Young especially if Texas eats some salary. I don't mind giving up Lindblom (a hr waiting to happen) and DeFratus.
I'm back and forth on Bourn...same with Hamilton. Hamilton makes more sense to me on one hand because of his power and run producing. But having him gives your middle of the order all lefties. Not good especially considering Grit and Choke aren't good against lhp.
I don't buy the worry about Bourn and his speed at his age. Plenty of guys maintain their speed despite aging (Pierre being one off the top of my head). You sign him and Jimmy slides to the two hole.
Going into the season with Ruf/MAAAyberry/Brown would be disastrous.
young is a farging POS
he was absolutely atrocious last year
and he's a hack defensively. i'd rather go with frandsen/galvis
twitter says the deal is done, it's just contingent on Young waiving his NTC
rumors are that Texas is paying $10M of $16M owed and that the Phils are sending Schwimmer and a prospect back
Young is terrrrible. Amaro is awful.
Ender Inciarte was taken from the DBacks in the Rule V draft. He's a speedy CF who hasn't played AA or AAA yet
Apparently he has talked to MIN about Ben Revere too
Sounds like the Revere deal is done. Might be Worley going to Minnesota
Yep.
http://zozone.mlblogs.com/2012/12/06/sources-phillies-acquire-revere/
How good a defensive third baseman is Young?
Quote from: Don Ho on December 06, 2012, 12:20:12 PM
How good a defensive third baseman is Young?
Used to be good.
Now? Marginal.
Vance Worley and Trevor May to Minny
Quote from: BigEd76 on December 06, 2012, 12:13:13 PM
Sounds like the Revere deal is done. Might be Worley going to Minnesota
is it me or is worley and may for revere a terrible deal?
Worley and May.
Firmly on AmaroOut train. Get Young and they can small ball everyone to death. So excited!
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 06, 2012, 12:26:03 PM
Vance Worley and Trevor May to Minny
Terrible. I like Revere because he's a better option than Bourne but they just gave up a top 5 prospect and established starter. If the deal were just Revere for Worley it would be acceptable.
Yep...I don't like it.
Go away RUBE!!
Worley is a dime a doze.
Revere has potential to be a top 10 CF and he's young and cheap. i'm fine with the deal
It's better than giving 5 yrs 80 mil to an aging Bourn, but this team has 0 power, especially if they get Young, unless this is coupled with bringing in a power bat in RF.
they just got a long term solution at CF making peanuts. which means they have plenty of money to go get a power hitting corner OF (hamilbomb!)
may has fallen off big time...he might be a top ten prospect for the phillies and hes only that because their farm system is so bare....his chances of ever making the majors as a regular starter even a bottom of the rotation starter were very slim
biddle, pettibone, and martin are all in front of May as far as prospects go
forget everything else....they got a black dood from the south for a guy that wears rec specs
WIN
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on December 06, 2012, 12:37:12 PM
It's better than giving 5 yrs 80 mil to an aging Bourn, but this team has 0 power, especially if they get Young, unless this is coupled with bringing in a power bat in RF.
Silver lining to the deal and almost makes it palpable but giving up May in the deal was dumb. Worley and a lesser prospect or two would have made this a good deal.
controllable contracts are a huge commodity in MLB, you have to give up something decent to get either a good player or a good contract back.
May's 5 years in the minors:
525 IP
433 H
647 K
237 W
career WHIP of 1.350
that's nothing special
Quote from: SD on December 06, 2012, 12:42:15 PM
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on December 06, 2012, 12:37:12 PM
It's better than giving 5 yrs 80 mil to an aging Bourn, but this team has 0 power, especially if they get Young, unless this is coupled with bringing in a power bat in RF.
Silver lining to the deal and almost makes it palpable but giving up May in the deal was dumb. Worley and a lesser prospect or two would have made this a good deal.
may is a lesser prospect...even if he is a top ten prospect for the phillies that is irrelevant...if you are say the ninth best prospect for the phillies its like being the 16th best prospect for a top ten farm system
6'5 and his fastball hits mid 90's.
May is another of those guys that you hear about a lot and never actually saw but as soon as he's dealt, omgworsttradeever. How's Jason Knapp doing for the Indians? And that can't-miss stud Drabek who's out for the year again. There's no guarantee with pitching prospects, and the three guys Sunny mentioned have a better upside. Minnesota was desperate for pitching and got two guys that can go into their rotation now, but it's weird that they dealt their new starting CF a week after trading Span. Maybe the deal was too good to pass up. I'm not gonna be a homer here but what I've seen of Revere so far looks promising. He's almost a similar player to Bourn but also plays the corner spots, which Bourn hasn't done since he was dealt to Houston. As for never hitting a major league HR, getting out of Target Field and coming here is gonna help. Hell, he might get all the way up to 2 HRs. He's also a better leadoff guy than Jimmy, but he'll probably hit 2nd since Jimmy is Jimmy. I also heard he has a shtein arm like Pierre, but I've seen highlights where he reaches the plate with no problem. He's also going to make at least $79,500,000 less than Bourn and they have him under control for at least three more years while choke, Cliff and Cole get their $25M. Figure out 3B (Young, Youk, whatever), get another power bat for RF, get an 8th-inning guy like Adams and things will look better.
So does Cloyd move into the starting rotation permanently now?
Probably Kendrick. I think they're gonna check out some of the lesser pitchers on the market to fill that #4 spot. Not Edwin Jackson, and Shaun Marcum is probably too expensive, but someone like that...
kendrick moves up to #4 and pettibone/cloyd will battle for #5 as of right now
Quote from: BigEd76 on December 06, 2012, 12:54:18 PM
May is another of those guys that you hear about a lot and never actually saw but as soon as he's dealt, omgworsttradeever. How's Jason Knapp doing for the Indians? And that can't-miss stud Drabek who's out for the year again. There's no guarantee with pitching prospects, and the three guys Sunny mentioned have a better upside. Minnesota was desperate for pitching and got two guys that can go into their rotation now, but it's weird that they dealt their new starting CF a week after trading Span. Maybe the deal was too good to pass up. I'm not gonna be a homer here but what I've seen of Revere so far looks promising. He's almost a similar player to Bourn but also plays the corner spots, which Bourn hasn't done since he was dealt to Houston. As for never hitting a major league HR, getting out of Target Field and coming here is gonna help. Hell, he might get all the way up to 2 HRs. He's also a better leadoff guy than Jimmy, but he'll probably hit 2nd since Jimmy is Jimmy. I also heard he has a shtein arm like Pierre, but I've seen highlights where he reaches the plate with no problem. He's also going to make at least $79,500,000 less than Bourn and they have him under control for at least three more years while choke, Cliff and Cole get their $25M. Figure out 3B (Young, Youk, whatever), get another power bat for RF, get an 8th-inning guy like Adams and things will look better.
That's fine, but it's sort of selective reasoning, no? You have Carrasco's and Knapp's, and you have Gonzalez's and D'Arnaud.
Considering his age and the fact that it means they aren't shelling out tons of money for someone like Bourn, the better I am with it. Just the prospect of adding two players who have NO power to the team right now is underwhelming.
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on December 06, 2012, 01:20:43 PM
Quote from: BigEd76 on December 06, 2012, 12:54:18 PM
May is another of those guys that you hear about a lot and never actually saw but as soon as he's dealt, omgworsttradeever. How's Jason Knapp doing for the Indians? And that can't-miss stud Drabek who's out for the year again. There's no guarantee with pitching prospects, and the three guys Sunny mentioned have a better upside. Minnesota was desperate for pitching and got two guys that can go into their rotation now, but it's weird that they dealt their new starting CF a week after trading Span. Maybe the deal was too good to pass up. I'm not gonna be a homer here but what I've seen of Revere so far looks promising. He's almost a similar player to Bourn but also plays the corner spots, which Bourn hasn't done since he was dealt to Houston. As for never hitting a major league HR, getting out of Target Field and coming here is gonna help. Hell, he might get all the way up to 2 HRs. He's also a better leadoff guy than Jimmy, but he'll probably hit 2nd since Jimmy is Jimmy. I also heard he has a shtein arm like Pierre, but I've seen highlights where he reaches the plate with no problem. He's also going to make at least $79,500,000 less than Bourn and they have him under control for at least three more years while choke, Cliff and Cole get their $25M. Figure out 3B (Young, Youk, whatever), get another power bat for RF, get an 8th-inning guy like Adams and things will look better.
That's fine, but it's sort of selective reasoning, no? You have Carrasco's and Knapp's, and you have Gonzalez's and D'Arnaud.
gavin floyd as well
the difference in all these prospects and may is that may's stock is plummeting...easy says he will go into the twins rotation right away which is just ludicrous....barring some unforseen fix for his control issues id be shocked if he pitches even one inning in minnesota this year and id be surpsied if he ever is a regular starter in the bigs
Their rotation right now is Scott Diamond / Worley / Cole De Vries / Liam Hendriks / Sam Deduno. He can't crack that?
who cares hes in minnesota. they suck.
vance worley is a middle of the rotation starter, theyll find another version of him in a week. kendrick will be the 5. young guys will have a chance to make the rotation and bump kendrick or VETERAN STARTER to the bullpen. probably wont happen.
its a decent trade. revere is very strong defensively and is really fast. is a lefty but hits lefties better than righties. knock on him is lack of walks which leads to a lower obp. if he can become more selective he can get his opb above .350 which would be splendid. doesnt hit homers but who cares. thats not his job. hell create runs with his legs.
may has a slim chance of becoming gio gonzalez and a really good chance of becoming jason knapp. you have to play the odds when it comes to pitching prospects.
Quote from: BigEd76 on December 06, 2012, 02:06:03 PM
Their rotation right now is Scott Diamond / Worley / Cole De Vries / Liam Hendriks / Sam Deduno. He can't crack that?
in a word no
he barely cracked reading last year
also the michael young trade is horrendous
i know they are giving up nothing for him but he was the worst player in baseball last year. hes old, slow, a hack defensively, has lost his power and probably cant play more than 4 or 5 days a week. youre better off saving the money and the wild card relief pitching prospects and going with frandsen. basically the same player except frandsen might be a better hitter at this point.
plus young has never left texas and would be a worse version of roy oswalt in terms of care factor and interest level. NO.
A legit 3-4 starter and their best hitting prospect for a slap hitter.
omgyay
Quote from: Rome on December 06, 2012, 02:24:45 PM
A legit 3-4 starter and their best hitting prospect for a slap hitter.
lololol
you are the hbionic of phillie fans
OMG NO HAMILTON?!
who cares. it's all dependent on how utley, howard, and halladay bounce back.
young would be horrid. shtein.. just resign polanco if their going that route. at least then they won't have to give up anything.
i'm find with seeing what galvis at 3rd, brown, and ruf bring to the table. maybe more options become available before the deadline. if everyone comes back and does what their supposed to they should be in contention by then with what they have now. if not then at least their not adding more horrible contracts.
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 06, 2012, 02:28:09 PM
Quote from: Rome on December 06, 2012, 02:24:45 PM
A legit 3-4 starter and their best hitting prospect for a slap hitter.
lololol
you are the hbionic of phillie fans
I meant pitching, obviously.
But I am a sexy Latino in my heart.
last year revere had the lowest groudball rate of any player since the stat has been tracked (2002)
So he's totally putting that blazing speed to its maximum use then?
i suppose
Quote from: LBIggle on December 06, 2012, 02:40:47 PMyoung would be horrid. shtein.. just resign polanco if their going that route. at least then they won't have to give up anything.
They're giving up Lindblom, who nobody is gonna miss
linblom is better and worth much more than young at this point in their respective careers
at least lindblom is still only 25 and has room to improve....also relievers are notoriously up and down...if he stinks again then you send him to allentown
young is a cooked POS elder
143 out of 150 qualifying players in ops last year
Settle down, all of you.
make us
Quote from: BigEd76 on December 06, 2012, 03:13:40 PM
Quote from: LBIggle on December 06, 2012, 02:40:47 PMyoung would be horrid. shtein.. just resign polanco if their going that route. at least then they won't have to give up anything.
They're giving up Lindblom, who nobody is gonna miss
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 06, 2012, 03:21:07 PM
linblom is better and worth much more than young at this point in their respective careers
at least lindblom is still only 25 and has room to improve....also relievers are notoriously up and down...if he stinks again then you send him to allentown
young is a cooked POS elder
143 out of 150 qualifying players in ops last year
exactly. it's a lateral move.. for the sake of making a move. galvis should be fine defensively at 3rd and frandsen while not hitting .330 i would be willing to bet wouldn't be the worst hitter in the majors. if rube has a hard on for a veteran.. as i said.. resign polanco.. he would be cheaper anyway. any sort of rotating platoon would be much better then that hack. an off year is one thing. an off year at 37 means you'RE DONE.
again considering where he hit in the lineup and the chances he had young was probably the least productive player in baseball last year
i can only imagine its going to get worse a year older in a new league new city new team worse lineup worse team
nm
lol @ having to throw in a prospect in addition to get michael young.
I'm ok with the deal.
Lindblom is Geoff Geary reincarnated
Bonilla? Eh.
Texas is paying $10M.
So $6M for Young.
That's fine.
lindblom was a homer machine
young is farging terrible. just god awful.
whatever
i dont think the trade is the end of the world or anything but their bullpen is in a shambles....im not sure id be trading a live arm from it for kevin frandsens father
they have the cash to sign mike adams are something
clearly they viewed lindblom equal with stutes/de frautus/aumont/havas/goldenstein and the rest of the youngins in the pen. he was expendable.
and third base is still a huge concern. better hope cody asche is mike schmidt
the difference is hes a proven major leaguer...so they have weakened one position even if its marginally and didnt improve another area
thus trade = a slight loss now
and a big loss if linblom reverts back to form....which often happens with relievers
victorino for young....seems fair
yea i mean sure
but in reality no small or big move is going to change anything. the wheels came off a while ago and its all downhill from here.
Quote from: MDS on December 08, 2012, 04:00:10 PM
but in reality no small or big move is going to change anything. the wheels came off a while ago and its all downhill from here.
true....which is why is said its not a big deal
If Young produces as 22/90/.275 it's a steal.
he's one of the worst defensive players in baseball, doesn't walk, and has lost his power.
There's a chance he rebounds slightly offensively, but his defense is gone, and I'd guess his power is too.
he hit 8 homers in an amazing lineup in the hottest most homer happy ballpark in the bigs
im sure hell rebound hitting behind a washed up strikeout machine
Just once we might get lucky and have shtein work out.
shtein working out was lolmonic brown turning out to be good or ryan howard not breaking down
all the evidence in the world suggests young sucks and will suck more this year. the phillies more or less know this and are basically taking a calculated risk that he will hit the rejuvenation machine and give them a solid year. if it doesnt work all they did was trade a worthless reliever and burn 6 mil. no biggie.
http://deadspin.com/5966878/dallas-journalist-melts-down-on-twitter-following-michael-young-trade
Didn't read...
Relievers available:
Mike Adams
Matt Capps
Todd Coffey
Chad Durbin
Kyle Farnsworth
Jason Frasor
Jason Grilli
Brandon Lyon
Brett Myers
Juan (Leo Nunez) Oviedo
Crazy Vicente
Jon Rauch
Rafael Soriano
Carlos Villanueva
More than enough BP pieces available.
Now? Go sign Hamilton. Give him 4/$100M.
you are living on a different planet from reality. or are on some of that gooooood shtein
either way hook a brotha up
Whats unrealistic, Ruben Amaro Junior Jr?
the phillies contending for the next 5-10 years
So I guess we'll be betting Phils v Nats this year?
ill bet nats vs anyone
they are gonna be sick
Negative...all hype
so they are going to regress this year?...you do know they are young super talented and led the majoprs in wins last year?
18 year old bryce harper should definitely take a step back
a whole year of strasburg is gonna suck too
I think so, yeah...its still early but I think they buy their hype and slink back a bit.
Harper is good and so is Strasburg. How many titles did the Mariners win with Unit and Griffey?
im not saying they will def win the world series next year....im saying they are not going to fall back...they will be one of or the favorite going into the playoffs...once there anything can happen
i do think they will win at least one world series tho before this era is over for them
I know I am biased because I hate those fans because of the taterskin connection. I also hate Harper's bitchass.
They're good but I think because they're young they're gonna buy their hype and step back
no one hates them more than i do....but you have to look at them with an honest eye
No...I like to have irrational hate towards some teams/players
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 08, 2012, 05:25:31 PM
Whats unrealistic, Ruben Amaro Junior Jr?
my bet: phillies and the world series
they win - todd gives J ____
they dont win - J gives todd _____
write in any number you want because they arent winning the world series much less even the nl east. give it up homeslice homer.
QuoteBenRevere9
It maybe an lord of the rings kind of night..
Looks like Evan's gonna have a new best friend
ha
Quote from: BigEd76 on December 09, 2012, 09:11:28 PM
QuoteBenRevere9
It maybe an lord of the rings kind of night..
Looks like Evan's gonna have a new best friend
:-D
Rumor they offered Hamilton 3 years $80 million. I could live with that. Wish he were a right handed bat but even if he has a melt down it's not a mega long term deal. 2 years with a club option for a 3rd would be better.
I could definitely live with 3 years/80 mil for him
oh good god
26 mil for that cokehead, you guys are nuts,
another rumor: they talked soriano for lolmonic brown. would only have to pay 10 mil of what alffy has left on his deal. that makes more sense.
Noooooooo to Alfonso Soriano.
Although Wheels would love it cause then he could bust out his Space Cadet moniker again.
Sign Hamilton for the 3/80.
you god damn texans stick together, dont you
Youuuuuuuuu are right there with us, Tijuana Todd
lol its reynosa todd bitch
and the only texan ive fallen for is johnny football. the rest can suck it.
Johnny Football today - Houston Texans jersey tomorrow....
3/80 for Hamilton?
No way he agrees to that. Hell, Texas will match that.
agree with romey....that deal is to good to be true and im not a hamilton guy
If that's actually on the table and he somehow agrees to it, it might be the biggest steal in baseball history. farg, they could pay that deal out of petty cash, especially if it's back-loaded (say 22.5-27.5-30).
it would only be a great deal if he plays up to it or outplays it...and thats far from a certainty...but even if hes a big disappointment at three years who cares....his contract would still end before choke or phifers
They're talking about the bullpen on CSN's hotstove show....there's no way basticho is as bad this year as he was last year, right?
Here's what concerns me about this rumored deal they 'floated' out there...they soften the fanbase up to think "that's a good deal" then when it gets announced it's really a 5 year deal or something we'd all hate.
And hell no to that Soriano deal
the soriano deal is scary bad on so many levels but none more so than the thought of a defensive left side of the field of alfonso soriano playing LF behind michael young at 3B
No big deal. That's why they call first base the "hot corner."
nm....didn't see Rome's post about it yesterday.
Apparently the Phills offered Ichiro a 2 year $14 million deal before he re-signed with the Yanks
angels sign hamilton 5 / 125. rubin gettin played..
Wow thats huge for the Angels...and for the Rangers to get smoked by a div rival
Texas has had a disastrous offseason
Some baseball person on twitter pointed out taht the addition of Hamilton makes Trumbo expendable and it might put them in play for Dickey
Guaranteeing him five years is the definition of insane. Glad Smug didn't bite. Shocked, but glad.
The LA nightlife/Hollywood scene will do wonders for Hamilton's "issues".
Quote from: Rome on December 13, 2012, 03:29:06 PM
Guaranteeing him five years is the definition of insane. Glad Smug didn't bite. Shocked, but glad.
they cant afford 5/125 so it was never a possibility
hence the reason he lowballed him at 3/80
Stark says that Mike Adams could be the next to sign here
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 13, 2012, 03:48:32 PM
Quote from: Rome on December 13, 2012, 03:29:06 PM
Guaranteeing him five years is the definition of insane. Glad Smug didn't bite. Shocked, but glad.
they cant afford 5/125 so it was never a possibility
hence the reason he lowballed him at 3/80
They couldn't afford $25M per but they lowballed him with $26.7M per?
125 > 80
they arent in position to give out another 100+ million dollar deal unless they got rid of a phifer for example
Years 4 & 5 won't be an issue. We've been over this. Repeatedly.
you dont seem to want to listen tho....for some reason you think the phillies are the yankees red sox or an LA team....one day you will realize they are not....im not sure why you have to believe it...they spend a shteinload of money...more than enough to win....but they arent one of the true big boys....its ok
and for the record they knew like everyone else in the world that 3/80 wouldnt get it done (if it was even offered)....they just wanted to show like they were in the game
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a Corpus Christi station is reporting Mike Adams to the Phils for 3/$18M
what a terrible desperate deal.....but at least romey will love it
I'd love it if you dove off the top of the Empire State Building without a parachute.
Adams is a prototypical set-up man and although his health concerns me it's not a terrible way to spend $6M/year.
I have no problems with signing Adams, they needed a setup man and when he's healthy he's very good. He had to have the same surgery as Chris Carpenter did and Carpenter came back stronger than ever. Not thrilled with the price tag for a 34 year old middle reliever but they had a need and they addressed it. Assuming Aumont is as good as he looked late last season the bullpen should be much improved.
At $6M/per he represents 3.4% of their projected payroll. Not exactly back-breaking.
Besides, middle relief, especially the eighth inning guys, absolutely killed them last year, so they had to do something.
If he's healthy and pitches like he did from '08 to '11 he's a good signing. And he really didn't pitch badly last year either.
lol at giving a 35 year old reliever three and eighteen
it actually fits this teams profile perfectly....but its not going to end well at all
just read its not a three year deal....its two with a non guaranteed third year...
this makes it tolerable
Plus he's only 34
QuotePer CSN's Jim Salisbury the Phils reach an agreement with LHP John Lannan pending a physical
meh
IGY... It's a good, safe signing at a decent price in an area where the Phillies were woefully short last year. Stop your whining already.
allentown needs a #2 starter i guess
Quote from: SD on December 15, 2012, 11:03:23 AM
QuotePer CSN's Jim Salisbury the Phils reach an agreement with LHP John Lannan pending a physical
meh
Ew. I hope this isn't the rotation replacement.
I think Jurrgens was worth the risk. He was awful in 2012 but really quite excellent in 2011. Weird game, I know...
so jurrjens is going to have a comeback year but lindblom is done
in rubes mind and in the mind of homers who sleep in their red pajamas (rome, j, don, sd, sunny, etc.) adams is a pretty good move. it gives them an 8th inning guy, which they didnt have last year.
in reality its burning 12 mil on fire and casting it off to sea. not a huge deal, but kind of questionable nonetheless.
i cant repeat myself enough: they arent good, they dont have talent, they cant win. so any small move they make is a big giant whatever because at this point its just about waiting out the storm until choke, utley, lee, etc. all go away.
phillie homers may have over taken flyer homers
I read today they have picked up the pursuit of Cody Ross....ugh
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 15, 2012, 10:23:14 PM
phillie homers may have over taken flyer homers
its worse because flyer homers are just flyer homers. all the hockey they know is what they see on tv and hear on wip. they dont watch other hockey or talk other hockey or play hockey. so its almost pure ignorance more than anything.
aint that way with baseball. if it was just south jersey fans it be one thing but they got 95% of this board and all of those people remember adam eaton.
truth
what it comes down to is baseball is such a gentlemanly sport with hard hat workmanlike guys people can relate to...and most importantly you dont have to share the team with negros...like you do if you ae an eagle or sixer fan...its "your" team
Quote from: MDS on December 15, 2012, 10:18:07 PM
in rubes mind and in the mind of homers who sleep in their red pajamas (rome, j, don, sd, sunny, etc.) adams is a pretty good move.
:-D Todd, that was a good one.
Quote from: MDS on December 15, 2012, 10:18:07 PM
in rubes mind and in the mind of homers who sleep in their red pajamas (rome, j, don, sd, sunny, etc.) adams is a pretty good move. it gives them an 8th inning guy, which they didnt have last year.
in reality its burning 12 mil on fire and casting it off to sea. not a huge deal, but kind of questionable nonetheless.
i cant repeat myself enough: they arent good, they dont have talent, they cant win. so any small move they make is a big giant whatever because at this point its just about waiting out the storm until choke, utley, lee, etc. all go away.
Despite sucking ass for the majority of the season, missing their 2 best hitters, and having shtein for a bullpen, they still almost made the playoffs. You can't say "They're not talented enough". Any team that makes the playoffs in the MLB can get hot and win it all [see practically every team that's won the WS over the past decade]. I'd rather see them try to win and be entertaining than the alternative that you want which is the Pittsburgh Pirates. Why not try to make another run in the mean time while we wait for Choke/Utley etc. to "all go away". For years retarded fans like yourself have criticized them for not spending money, now that they do it's an issue?
its easy to win when you stink....they have no chance to play a full season of good baseball.....especially now that they are a year older than the team that missed the playoffs last year
its time to recognize they are done....i dont know what it is with phillie fans that dont allow this to happen
you have 2 options
A. hope hallaDONE isnt DONE and reverts back to form. hope cliff lolololee reverts to form. hope for no injuries to any major player. hope the braves arent that good. maybe make the playoffs. hope to get lucky.
B. trade everyone, collect several AAA to ready for the show prospects and free up a funhole ton of money. so come 2014 you have several good young cheap players and can start buying up free agents in the 14 and 15 offseason. come 15 you are basically the 2006 phillies except this time youll spend money before your best players get old.
i take option B. its 1-2 years in the gutter but when you come out itll be good. where as now they need 1000000000000000 things to go right to just get in, then they need to get lucky and hot and win a world series. not easy.
Quote from: MDS on December 15, 2012, 11:22:00 PM
you have 2 options
A. hope hallaDONE isnt DONE and reverts back to form. hope cliff lolololee reverts to form. hope for no injuries to any major player. hope the braves arent that good. maybe make the playoffs. hope to get lucky.
B. trade everyone, collect several AAA to ready for the show prospects and free up a funhole ton of money. so come 2014 you have several good young cheap players and can start buying up free agents in the 14 and 15 offseason. come 15 you are basically the 2006 phillies except this time youll spend money before your best players get old.
i take option B. its 1-2 years in the gutter but when you come out itll be good. where as now they need 1000000000000000 things to go right to just get in, then they need to get lucky and hot and win a world series. not easy.
"...no..."
Nothing is guaranteed by blowing it up in Plan B. You cannot definitively say "blow it up and it will be all good in 1-2". How reliable are some of these prospects? Two years ago Dom Brown looked like he would be the shtein.
thats what the 2 years are for
you stockpile many many prospects. you already have some yourself. play them all. record doesnt matter. fill in the holes in free agency.
they never would have had to do this but someone traded away all their good young players for roy oswalt and hunter pence so this is what you get
or by all means hope they win the world series this year. im sure itll happen.
prospects are a small part of it....salary is the bigger piece...you gotta trade phifer...then suck for 2-3 years and let all these deals expire....if you trade for some talent in that time then have a billion bucks to sign some top fa's you might be in business
but letting this garbage play itself out is the worst possible scenario
Quote from: MDS on December 15, 2012, 11:36:12 PM
thats what the 2 years are for
you stockpile many many prospects. you already have some yourself. play them all. record doesnt matter. fill in the holes in free agency.
they never would have had to do this but someone traded away all their good young players for roy oswalt and hunter pence so this is what you get
or by all means hope they win the world series this year. im sure itll happen.
Bring back Pat Gillick
really the downfall of the team was the stupid trade for halladay and trade of lee. if they dont do that they win the world series in 2010 and 2011 never happens.
no oswalt trade...no pence trade...probably all they would have is a bad lee contract (guilt trip after title) and the choke deal. so while you wait for that to go you have hof singelton to watch.
but no. NO. that cant farging happen can it.
is there any chance they trade phifer this season....and i dont mean will they be willing to...cause if they suck in august they are gonna try....but will anyone take him?
him having a great year is by far the most important thing that can happen to this franchise in 2013
word from arlington is mike olt is on the market. so i mean....
if the phillies suck and lee and halladay are awesome it would ba a dream come true. hello 2 position players.
Quote from: MDS on December 15, 2012, 11:48:54 PM
if the phillies suck and lee and halladay are awesome it would ba a dream come true. hello 2 position players.
no chance something that good happens to this city
the obvious scenario is they are 2-3 out of the 5 spot on aug 31...utley and howard disintegrate in september because they are old and finished...but they do well enough that rube blames something miniscule (like this years homer thinking that it was all on not having an 8th inning guy) and they go after it again in 2013
I don't get the fascination with trading Lee...why?
because hes a guy making 20 million, not nearly worth it, and on a team going down down down down
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 15, 2012, 11:54:59 PM
I don't get the fascination with trading Lee...why?
this question sums up camden and burlington counties
lol
or it sums up that you win with pitching and he's a good pitcher so you don't drop him?
If Halladay is indeed on the way down....then you need Lee and Hamels to be the anchors.
cliff lee is so good he holds 4-0 leads
you need to realize that they have ZERO chance of making the playoffs in at least the next four years...until you can reconcile that you should not talk phillies
I don't buy it.
we know
im just figuring out a way to profit from it
lololol
Quote from: Rome on December 15, 2012, 01:10:34 PM
I think Jurrgens was worth the risk. He was awful in 2012 but really quite excellent in 2011. Weird game, I know...
What does Jair Jurrgens have to do with anything?
I meant he would have been worth a shot especially if the alternative is John Lannan.
Second to last line...
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Ha!
Quote from: MDS on December 15, 2012, 11:48:54 PM
word from arlington is mike olt is on the market. so i mean....
I'd trade Olt for Lee but it ain't happening. The Phillies have a good 3B prospect who should be ready in the next season or two: http://articles.philly.com/2012-11-08/sports/34995243_1_cody-asche-arizona-fall-league-phillies
The trend of RAJ trading prospects for veterans has ceased. I have no problem with them trying to spend money to win as long as they aren't gutting their farm system while doing it. Gutting the entire team does nothing except save salary.
I'm fine with adding Ross, he's not great but if they give him a short deal he fills a need...more importantly they get to keep the 16th pick in the draft.
yeah it would be titantically stupid if they gave up that pick
and i agree they arent getting olt but if hes avaiable and they turn him down for ashee they are dumber than shtein....olt is a virtual lock to be at least a good major leaguer and he has star potential.....ashee is a coin flip at best
jimmy
young
GRIT
choke
roiding ruiz
cody ross
hof brown
evan turner: baseball edition
80-82
the worst part of that lineup is how friggin boring it is....other than jimmy there is not one watchable aspect of this team...could have been HOF's development but that train done left the station
the homers who loved juan pierre "putting his bat on the ball" and other goofy slappy shtein are gonna eat up revere.
they needed to get younger and faster. revere aside they added a geriatric third baseman who hit 8 homers last year and cody fargng ross.
actually revere is something new and fresh....it will be fun to follow him....but cody ross and young = about as painful as it gets
Quote from: MDS on December 16, 2012, 10:57:50 PM
jimmy
young
GRIT
choke
roiding ruiz
cody ross
hof brown
evan turner: baseball edition
80-82
:-D
Quote from: MDS on December 16, 2012, 11:06:11 PM
the homers who loved juan pierre "putting his bat on the ball" and other goofy slappy shtein are gonna eat up revere.
they needed to get younger and faster. revere aside they added a geriatric third baseman who hit 8 homers last year and cody fargng ross.
Quoteactually revere is something new and fresh....it will be fun to follow him....but cody ross and young = about as painful as it gets
quick Todd, change your post to say how much you want to watch Revere.
WWE Raw last night
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yuck
Rubin bout to hit dat
LOVE this guy
QuoteAdams was in high-demand this offseason – six teams were interested and three were serious, according to agent Josh Yates – and he had offers on the table for more guaranteed years and money. One of those offers was from an NL East team, believed to be the Nationals. He even had opportunities to close.
But the Phillies were high on Adams' list from the day the Rangers' season ended because of the 34-year-old's desire to win, proving that even after a disappointing .500 finish, players still do see Philadelphia as a destination.
"There was an NL East team that was really in on it," Adams admitted. "It was a tough choice between the two, but from what I've heard from other players that have been in this organization, what they think about it, where I think it's headed, that played a huge part into my decision.
"I had more guaranteed money elsewhere, but I don't think just because it's a vesting option ... I'm counting that as guaranteed money. I plan on fulfilling my contract for three years and hopefully beyond that. If all goes the way I see it, by the end of my contract this is going to be a bargain."
If they won half the games they blew in the 8th inning last year, they would have been in the playoffs
Where's Scrooge McOrodenker to rain all over this Adams love fest?
i dont actually think hes gonna be good....i just love his philly centric attitude and with this shtein show thats means a lot
good quotes, i like it
as i said before i dig adams and think hell be good to great. but they arent vaulting from a has-been old and slow pos team to world series contenders because of mike adams
igy likes his quotes, so that means todd does. duh
so are you homers already talking yourselves into scott hairston and vernon wells?
I'd rather see what Von Brown and/or Darin Ruf can do over the course of a season.
http://siriusxmsports.posterous.com/dan-jennings-miami-marlins-assistant-general-92372
Marlins asst GM says they will listen to offers for Stanton
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 30, 2012, 02:25:21 PM
http://siriusxmsports.posterous.com/dan-jennings-miami-marlins-assistant-general-92372
Marlins asst GM says they will listen to offers for Stanton
The Phils have no chance
incorrect
they have less than no chance
biddle, ruf/brown, valle, and whoever the farg else they want....IN
clearwater reading and allentown plus all three complexes still wouldnt get it done
im not sure this is a combo of players the phillies could pull
biddle, pettipone, asche, hamels (with phillies paying the contract)? would that do it.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/12/phillies-notes-halladay-kendrick-scott-hairston-stanton.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
QuoteThe Phillies don't have have enough top-tier talent to tempt the Marlins into trading Giancarlo Stanton to the City of Brotherly Love.
What, the combinaiton of Galvis and Brown isn't enough? They're MLB proven! :paranoid
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 31, 2012, 10:00:36 PM
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/12/phillies-notes-halladay-kendrick-scott-hairston-stanton.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
Do it now!
The Phillies, however, enter the new year with several question marks - how much offense new acquistions Michael Young and Ben Revere will contribute.
this is funny
utley and howard are back!
So 81-81 is a pipe dream.
opener vs. atl on espn2 national spot at 7
sox/yanks and giants/dodgers get the afternoon spots...for some reason mlb and espn like putting their 2 best rivalries in the middle of the afternoon when everyone is at work. and you wonder why the ratings suck.
Houston vs Texas is a espn opener too right?
Nothing like trying to manufacture a rivalry.
yes...beyond retarded. had to be part of astros moving to al deal. on no planet does espn want that game
Quote from: Don Ho on January 03, 2013, 05:51:28 PM
So 81-81 is a pipe dream.
Anywhere from about 77-85 wins is the range to me. Enough to be "respectable," but not enough to sniff the postseason.
I wasn't sure where to put this and didn't think it was worthy of starting a new thread, but thought it was an interesting read.
Departure Without Dignity: The Athletics Leave Philadelphia (http://sabr.org/research/departure-without-dignity-athletics-leave-philadelphia)
i dont always agree with him.....but there might not be a bigger phillie fan than geo...
http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/phillies_zone/Amaro-Phillies-probably-done-making-moves.html
4th place
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 07, 2013, 09:45:37 PM
http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/phillies_zone/Amaro-Phillies-probably-done-making-moves.html
Done making moves... they started making moves?
They're saving up cash for next year. Probably wise not to spend 170+ mil when they'll prob lose a little in revenue this year.
Aren't they up for a new TV contract in 2014?
might as well go everyday in rf with hof brown
platoon it up in lf with nix and babe ruff (jesus christ)
leaves you room to splurge in july if theres even a point to doing that
Former Phil prospect Jonathan Singleton (part of Pence trade) suspended 50 games for 2nd positive test for marijuana. (http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/phillies/Former_Phillies_prospect_Jonathan_Singleton_suspended_50_games.html)
Cole had a shoulder issue earlier this offseason (http://www.csnphilly.com/baseball-philadelphia-phillies/phillies-talk/Hamels-OK-after-offseason-shoulder-issue?blockID=822059&feedID=704&awid=7812018771882218013-689)
Supposedly nothing to worry about. Time to worry
does it really matter...even if he is hurt...theres no difference in 3rd 4th or 5th place
Smuggy Bear lied. He wasn't done.
Rodrigo Lopez signed to minor league deal.
Yes!
he was 3-1 in 2009
by igy-norant logic that means hes good
does anybody realize that michael young is going to be their everyday 3b or am i the only one
Oh yes, we're all very aware. If we don't talk about it maybe it'll all go away.
Quote from: Don Ho on January 13, 2013, 04:06:25 AM
If we don't talk about it maybe it'll all go away.
MDS?
roob was on the pulse of philly the other day raving about michael young
Can anyone name the starting OF?
the ironpigs?
I keep wondering why Subway keeps Ryan Howard as a spokesman. Does anyone outside of Philly know who he is?
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 13, 2013, 10:35:01 AM
roob was on the pulse of philly the other day raving about michael young
o/u for him going on the 15 day is may 4
i would put it more like opening day
great chance he gets hurt in spring training no?
well see how they use him
if they start with the cautious route where the say they want to "save" him and ration off his days he can last. but he just goes into normal mode yea it could happen.
if you remember what jim thome looked like at 1b this is gonna go something like that
how many people are going to run on a lance nix michael young relay
you do realize they will be above average at 1 defensive position on opening day. just jimmy.
young - old. utley - knees. choke - lol. kratz - please. nix - seriously. revere - noodle arm. hof - no.
it has all the makings of a titantic collapse
That would mean they'd have to blow a significant lead late in the season. Which means that they would have a significant lead late in the season. You saying the Phils are gonna be 8 games up in the division heading into mid-Sept?
this needs an explanation........i guess so
this is the season they truly bottom out from the aught glory years
That certainly makes more sense than what I thought you were saying.
Aaron Cook signed. $1.625M if he makes the majors
i was reading that of pitchers who threw 90+ innings cook has the lowest per nine k rate since 1950
QuoteThree weeks before the start of spring training, Phillies general manager Ruben Amaro Jr. continues to look to add a corner outfielder to his team.
"I think we can [get one before spring training]', Amaro said. "We hope to do it."
Sources tell CSNPhilly.com that the Phils are seriously considering signing free-agent Delmon Young.
Amaro, who typically keeps matters of free-agency close to his vest, did not deny that.
"We've kicked around a lot of stuff," he said. "He's among them."
Asked if he'd spoken with Young's representatives, Amaro said: "We've talked to everybody, everybody who is still out there, the whole gamut."
When I hear Smugly say "kicked around" or "kicked the tires on" it infuriates me.
delmon young bagged
1yr
750k
Delmon (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCX_XlRYYDo)
He hates poor Jews too. Sorry Todd
He's automatically Todd's new favorite player, right?
i love it and i love him
crazy unstable anti semitic black man with talent on the cheap....rube is king
and supposedly he lost a lot of weight and got his ankle fixed
Plus he won the ALCS MVP against a Yankees team that couldn't outscore the 2002 Flyers, so there's that
easy bringing the roman checkmanek humor
thats why he gets the big bucks folks
Didn't even notice that Easy beat me to the punch with the Jew hate.
QuotePhrontiersman
The Phillies have 9 outfielders on the 40-man roster. The highest-paid is Laynce Nix.
Pitchers and catchers baby....can't wait
the three guys the phillies added this offseason had a total of 82 walks in almost 2000 pa's
they should fit perfectly into this offense
Delmon Young is easily the most exciting new addition, and it's not even close.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 22, 2013, 12:45:42 PM
When I hear Smugly say "kicked around" or "kicked the tires on" it infuriates me.
I'd like to kick him in his nuts.
Me too...but I like this signing so he gets a reprieve for now
Considering the alternatives include overpaying Soriano and/or Bourn, I suppose this is better than those.
Goes without saying, though, that Amaro has little or no faith in one of (if not both) Von Brown or Darin Ruf developing into major league regulars.
100% right on Geo. I was totally against getting Bourn and overpaying him to watch another kook strikeout religiously. This certainly shows Heir Smugweiler has little confidence in HOF and Babe.
I don't know why he wouldn't. They're both basically guaranteed first balloters.
Quote from: PoopyfaceMcGee on January 22, 2013, 07:44:36 PM
I don't know why he wouldn't. They're both basically guaranteed first balloters.
Right now calling Brown "Von" is giving him too much credit. He hasn't even reached those modest expectations yet.
Maybe Dom Stone?
Dom Jackson? (For Jeff Jackson)
Dominic Otero?
lol young grounded into the same amount of double plays as times he walked
4 howard
5 young
6 michael young
7 ruiz
slowest group of washed up dinosaurs in baseball history. holy shtein. how many double plays are they gonna have...how many times will they strand runners because of their lack of speed. good god.
Fans complain that the Phillies need to get younger, so Amaro goes out and gets two guys named Young. And yet the fans still complain about the offseason! There's no pleasing some folks.
Shoveling dirt on a team that hasn't even gotten to Floruda yet is an exercise in Philly cynical inferiority I've yet to see.
Quote from: Rome on January 23, 2013, 07:25:25 AM
Shoveling dirt on a team that hasn't even gotten to Floruda yet is an exercise in Philly cynical inferiority I've yet to see.
You mean... Except every single season on :CF
Quote from: Rome on January 23, 2013, 07:25:25 AM
Shoveling dirt on a team that hasn't even gotten to Floruda yet is an exercise in Philly cynical inferiority I've yet to see.
you actually watch teams and dont know what you are talking about...flyers have lots of awesome talent....but people cant look at a phillies roster that is blantantly bad and know they are not going to be a good team??
http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/phillies/Delmon-Young-and-the-potential-tragicomedy-called-the-2013-Phillies.html
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 23, 2013, 07:32:58 AM
Quote from: Rome on January 23, 2013, 07:25:25 AM
Shoveling dirt on a team that hasn't even gotten to Floruda yet is an exercise in Philly cynical inferiority I've yet to see.
you actually watch teams and dont know what you are talking about...flyers have lots of awesome talent....but people cant look at a phillies roster that is blantantly bad and know they are not going to be a good team??
I know enough to anticipate whether they're going to be good or not.
I think that if they can afford long term injury they're going to be a 85-90 win team as opposed to the basement dwellers you and dipshtein go on page after page about.
they will finish ahead of florida so they cant finish in the basement
but lol @ 90 wins...anything above .500 would be a nice year for them
delmon young hit .267 and didnt even have a .300 obp. how is that even possible?
im sorry if facts get in the way of your sunnyside up phillies homerism but they are really bad on paper. being old slow free swingers with a questionable pitching = recipe of 90 wins. sure.
85 wins seems like the ceiling for this team. A lot of things would have to go right for them to reach 90.
sounds about right to me
Which is exactly what I posted.
Results-wise they're somewhere above last year and somewhere below 2011. Doesn't take a doctorate in baseball to see that.
they have ZERO chance of winning 90 games...thats apipe dream
the max is 85 and their likelyhood is probably 75 with a solid chance of implosion
they are a good 20 games worse than the nationals and have no chance at the playoffs
I think they'll be in the wc hunt all season with the Braves and finish in the mid 80s range win-wise.
Last night my room mate was trying to tell me Halladay will be back and be able to pitch a solid 200 innings. If there's one guarantee in baseball it's that once your velocity is gone its farging gone.
They're the epitome of medicore.
If Halladay can approach his level of 2010-2011... then MAYBE 88 wins.
If not... 81 wins is about right. That lineup should scare nobody but Phils fans.
Quote from: SD on January 23, 2013, 03:12:43 PM
I think they'll be in the wc hunt all season with the Braves and finish in the mid 80s range win-wise.
Last night my room mate was trying to tell me Halladay will be back and be able to pitch a solid 200 innings. If there's one guarantee in baseball it's that once your velocity is gone its farging gone.
you think they are six-seven games better than last year with the roster a year older....that outfield...john lannan as your 5th starter a frighteningly bad defense AND a cooked halladay?...thats being pretty optimistic
whatever happened to halladay last year is bound to happen to a vet or three this year...not necessrily just injury but simply a decline in their play due to age....and i know defense is something thats hard to notice when looking at a team on paper in the offseason but its being severely overlooked as far as whats going to really hurt this team...
and again....that outfield is one of the worst in major league history...i dont know how roob has a job going into a season with what is supposed to be a contending team and giving them that outfield...its criminal
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Pretty much sums up my reaction to reading this thread.
Ugh. Why even bother?
Havas how much would you wager on a 90 win season?
I don't bet on sports and I'd put two bills on them winning less than 90.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 23, 2013, 05:46:59 PM
Havas how much would you wager on a 90 win season?
Why would you bet him straight up on that when you can cake off online betting o83 or some shtein?
LOL - He won't even back his ridiculous 75 win prediction up with a money bet.
Yes he will...just give him odds
Haha... I'll give you $10 if you're right but you have to give me $100 if I'm right!
It's FLAWLESS!
Quote from: Rome on January 23, 2013, 06:31:14 PM
Haha... I'll give you $10 if you're right but you have to give me $100 if I'm right!
It's FLAWLESS!
Homers seem to love paying IGY bad odds to compound their losses.
Quote from: PoopyfaceMcGee on January 23, 2013, 05:57:47 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 23, 2013, 05:46:59 PM
Havas how much would you wager on a 90 win season?
Why would you bet him straight up on that when you can cake off online betting o83 or some shtein?
I will...and probably in Vegas too. But I wanna take some of Havas' cash too
Don't bother. You'll lose plenty to me in fantasy football. Save your money for transaction bidding.
can i have this 90 win season bet please
this is free money
Seriously... Jay needs to spread the wealth if he's got this much cheddar to blow.
I don't bet against my teams anymore, and this is STILL tempting.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 23, 2013, 09:07:25 PM
Quote from: PoopyfaceMcGee on January 23, 2013, 05:57:47 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 23, 2013, 05:46:59 PM
Havas how much would you wager on a 90 win season?
Why would you bet him straight up on that when you can cake off online betting o83 or some shtein?
I will...and probably in Vegas too. But I wanna take some of Havas' cash too
you got it
just name your price and im IN
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 24, 2013, 10:04:55 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 23, 2013, 09:07:25 PM
Quote from: PoopyfaceMcGee on January 23, 2013, 05:57:47 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 23, 2013, 05:46:59 PM
Havas how much would you wager on a 90 win season?
Why would you bet him straight up on that when you can cake off online betting o83 or some shtein?
I will...and probably in Vegas too. But I wanna take some of Havas' cash too
you got it
just name your price and im IN
No shtein you are. Free money.
its not free....i suspect their number will be 87ish??
its not like its gonna be 81 and j is offering 90....still you dont bet the bet you bet the number and 90 is a good number
So this Young deal has six random weigh-ins throughout the season, and he gets $100K-$150K each time he meets a certain weight limit
Homer J: Delmon's contract has incentives if he stays in shape, so we'll have a motivated player
igs: jewhata will be docked six figures for being too fat
igs: how desperate is their outfield situation that they had to sign a contestant from the biggest loser
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 23, 2013, 03:06:47 PM
the max is 85 and their likelyhood is probably 75 with a solid chance of implosion
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 24, 2013, 10:28:50 AM
its not free....i suspect their number will be 87ish??
its not like its gonna be 81 and j is offering 90....still you dont bet the bet you bet the number and 90 is a good number
Honestly. Are you bipolar?
No, he's clearly just a money lover. Inching up the number to get Phreak over the ledge.
Quote from: Rome on January 24, 2013, 11:12:10 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 23, 2013, 03:06:47 PM
the max is 85 and their likelyhood is probably 75 with a solid chance of implosion
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 24, 2013, 10:28:50 AM
its not free....i suspect their number will be 87ish??
its not like its gonna be 81 and j is offering 90....still you dont bet the bet you bet the number and 90 is a good number
Honestly. Are you bipolar?
75 is around where i think they will end up
87 is what i am guessing vegas' number will be close to
Oh, I see.
So Jay saying 90 should be an all-in for you then, right? In fact with a number that high you should probably give him some juice the other way.
if he wants to give me 90 straight up who am i to turn it down
I seriously want to get in on this if the line is 90.
I ain't bettin' all you fools!
Although maybe I should - that way I can collect from everyone.
I'm thinking on it
i got the initial offer....eff all them
shut your hole howie roseman jr
take the bait j. TAKE IT
Jonathan Papelbon remaining contract: 3 years, $39M + option
Justin Upton's remaining contract: 3 years, $38.5M
and this
Quote from: SunMo on January 24, 2013, 03:22:05 PM
Jonathan Papelbon age at end of contract: 35
Justin Upton's age at end of contract: 28
you both forgot to mention ryan howard
And how smug Rube is.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 24, 2013, 01:30:41 PM
i got the initial offer....eff all them
But I made the initial wager. So I win. Over/Under 90 wins is too delicious even for me to pass up.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on January 23, 2013, 05:57:37 PM
I don't bet on sports and I'd put two bills on them winning less than 90.
Seriously...if this is bet is going down, I want in. If not for $200, then a more modest amount is fine.
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Ready.... Go.
I think I may make the bet(s)...
I will decide by opening day.
from another board...
So Dave Murphy says they are going to enter the season with payroll at around 157. The luxury tax is 178. A team that won 80 games is lowering payroll with 3+ million in attendance and a big tv deal coming.
Lowest payroll since 2010.
that cant shock anyone can it?
they know its over and attendance/viewership is going to fall off the map in the next few years
they need to blow it up and start drafting better
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 25, 2013, 12:13:48 PM
that cant shock anyone can it?
they know its over and attendance/viewership is going to fall off the map in the next few years
they need to blow it up and start drafting better
Pretty much
I'm glad they stopped with the bad long term contracts. They're going with what they've got while trying not to hurt their future.
yeah i give them credit for that...it cant be an easy thing to do to basically give up when you have all those big names
also what really seals their fate is the division...if this was 2006 NL east id say maybe go for it...but the phillies could have gotten justin upton and two decent corner outfielders and STILL finished third in the division...the nats are the clear cut best team in the majors and the braves are arguably the second best
basically
the ceiling right now is the 5th wild card...and thats if everything breaks right, mostly with their old team all managing to stay relatively healthy
in fact them more or less throwing in the towel now makes that papelbon deal look that much worse
as i was writing my post i was thinking that same exact thing about paps
the move didnt make any sense
so they give a closer 5 years and then 1 year later amaro is saying, "well this over." huh? if he had thrown a ton of money at bj upton or hamilton then at least thered be consistency.
obviously ratings and attendance will crumble but im excited for 2014. i want to see what they have in asche, galvis, joseph, pettibone, hernandez, etc. if those guys stink they will be the recent cubs. if they pan out amaro can fill in the margins in free agency and they can be pretty good by 15.
Cheapskate Dave and his silent owners can go farg themselves right along with Amaro
lol at the doom and gloom twins.
They're not spending money this year because they know they're going to have a ton of free room next year, with what looks to be a much better FA class. They knew two years ago that this year was going to be the money tight year, and then they added Pappelbon to that.
They're gonna spend big in 2014.
Quote from: MDS on January 25, 2013, 02:35:22 PM
i want to see what they have in asche, galvis, joseph, pettibone, hernandez, etc. if those guys stink they will be the recent cubs. if they pan out amaro can fill in the margins in free agency and they can be pretty good by 15.
lol...you got that south jerz fever
all those players you named are garbage
they dont have a prayer to compete until at least 2018
$178M on this bunch = stupid not cheap.
I swear, do you farging idiots understand that? Say yes.
they arent at 178 south jerz the are at 157
you are also the guy that said they would easily go over the lux tax and that money didnt matter
guess what homer?
you were wrong
Oh so they're deliberately holding back 21 million just so they'll fail (despite all evidence to the contrary).
they are holding it back now cause they know they are dead for the next 5-7 years
but never at any time were they going anywhere near the lux tax much less over it as you claimed
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Ready.... Go.
pretty disappointing, actually.
philly
The 2 blondes in the back row could probably get it. Also the mexican asian pakistani native american non-white chick standing on the left would get it as well....to satisfy the Rooney Rule.
shouldnt that be called the clooney rule? #rome
Quote from: Sgt PSN on January 26, 2013, 10:47:17 AM
The 2 blondes in the back row could probably get it. Also the mexican asian pakistani native american non-white chick standing on the left would get it as well....to satisfy the Rooney Rule.
the girl in the back right is the best. the girl next to her is fine but her hair makes me irrationally angry.
I'm just not sure why having the Uptons make the Braves suddenly some juggernaut.
BJ Upton hasn't hit above .250 since 2008. He's got some power, but his OBP was less than .300 last year, and has been in the low-.300s (high of .331 in 2011, .320 or below other than that). At 28, and after four seasons to this type of performance, it's pretty safe to say this is about what we'll see from Melvin.
Justin Upton has some decent OBP numbers, but his power has been inconsistent. He does seem to have a high ceiling, though.
Granted, they're better than the Phils' outfield, but Igy, Me and Romey make a better outfield than the Phils.
their outfield isnt just better than the phils its better than most in the majors
They certainly have the most Uptons.
Quote from: MDS on January 26, 2013, 02:13:40 PM
shouldnt that be called the clooney rule? #rome
Well played.
Chad Durbin, 2013 Philadelphia Phillie.
Awesome
Yuniesky Betancourt too
They should make a symbolic re-signing like Corey Lidle. Crash and burn baby!
scoff all you want at WAR and sabermetrics etc etc but Rube is like the anti-sabermetrics guy and he's a farging moron.
this team has ZERO players outside of Utley who qualify as high OBP guys and Utley is broken half the year.
shut up nerd
lee didnt win any games last year, he sucks. and delmon young hit .260, hes OK.
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on January 28, 2013, 03:02:03 PM
scoff all you want at WAR and sabermetrics etc etc but Rube is like the anti-sabermetrics guy and he's a farging moron.
this team has ZERO players outside of Utley who qualify as high OBP guys and Utley is broken half the year.
I think sabers are overrated, but you're right in how Rube's attitude towards them being completely useless is moronic.
I think at one point he said "I don't want walks, I want production" in an interview
Did he really? I can understand someone who never played the game on any level having that mindset, but dook played in the majors for nearly a decade. If he really said that, then I'm completely on board with tossing him right now.
I mean you don't exactly need to be a Bill James fanboy to know filling your roster with all slap hitters who dont walk or hit for power is a bad farging idea.
getting on base is not a nerd stat
but not caring about pitchers records are?
wins = important
Hey lets have this argument again!
Yuniesky Betancourt eh? For who? For what?
I could build this team better than Smugly and that ain't no hyperbole.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 28, 2013, 08:12:39 PM
wins = important
king last 3 years
13-12, 14-14, 13-9
important
thread = unreadable
Basically anytime someone tries to talk Phillies, they run in to tell us it doesn't matter and isn't worth discussing until at least 2019 when they have a chance to compete again.
And wins.
Meh.
It's gonna be fun to see them eclipse 90 and I cash.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 28, 2013, 08:34:54 PM
Hey lets have this argument again!
Yuniesky Betancourt eh? For who? For what?
I could build this team better than Smugly and that ain't no hyperbole.
Betancourt is literally possibly the worst infielder in baseball the last 5-10 years. No, he shouldn't make a difference on this team, but I'll put Todd in the infield and take my chances over him. The fact that Amaro signed him makes me want to punch him in the face.
It's a minor league deal, so don't kill anyone yet
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Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 28, 2013, 08:34:54 PM
Hey lets have this argument again!
Yuniesky Betancourt eh? For who? For what?
I could build this team better than Smugly and that ain't no hyperbole.
Betancourt is literally possibly the worst infielder in baseball the last 5-10 years. No, he shouldn't make a difference on this team, but I'll put Todd in the infield and take my chances over him. The fact that Amaro signed him makes me want to punch him in the face.
shut up you cant say anything bad the phillies are the greatest team ever
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Rube loves him some ex-Mariner/ex-Royal garbage
Those photos made me laugh out loud. Thanks.
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"Heidi, I really don't think he has my eyes"
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the little one is adopted from africa or some shtein...ethiopia, kenya, whatever
lucky motherfarger too
Worst MLB contracts (http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/8914127/jonah-keri-worst-contracts-mlb). As you might expect, the Big Piece makes an appearance.
Bonus for igs: three paragraphs ripping the Papelbon contract
Super negadelf bonus: Guy links to a list of the top 50 trade assets in baseball. Guess how many Phils.
QuoteUntil the Phillies start using him in situations where he's actually needed, rather than almost exclusively in spots that nearly any pitcher with a pulse can handle successfully 85–90 percent of the time, Papelbon will remain the $200,000 Aston Martin that never leaves the garage. The reason Papelbon merits only honorable mention is because someone, somewhere, might use him properly if the Phillies ever traded him. In a way, this is more of a tragic waste of resources than an untradeable contract.
HA!! Nailed it.
Tom McCarthy extended 5 more years. farg this offseason got worse
One day into camp and Juan Cruz already opted out to become a free agent
Quote from: SunMo on February 13, 2013, 08:51:35 AM
Tom McCarthy extended 5 more years. farg this offseason got worse
and the hits just keep on comin
Quote from: SunMo on February 13, 2013, 08:51:35 AM
Tom McCarthy extended 5 more years. farg this offseason got worse
Jesus farging christ
mlbtv could charge 7000 for the package and i would buy it to avoid listening to that funhole
Women.
Vegas set the Phils total wins for the year at 87. They're going to make a killing on South Jersey gamblers.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 24, 2013, 11:18:50 AM
Quote from: Rome on January 24, 2013, 11:12:10 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 23, 2013, 03:06:47 PM
the max is 85 and their likelyhood is probably 75 with a solid chance of implosion
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 24, 2013, 10:28:50 AM
its not free....i suspect their number will be 87ish??
its not like its gonna be 81 and j is offering 90....still you dont bet the bet you bet the number and 90 is a good number
Honestly. Are you bipolar?
87 is what i am guessing vegas' number will be close to
I was listening to Phanatic yesterday and the number of callers saying they'd take the over was ridiculous. I'd have no problem betting the over if it was guaranteed that Grit and Howard would each play 160+ games and that Doc would look more like 2011 than 2012. Everyone was jerking off to Grit looking good. Ok, great. Let's see how he looks at the break after 70 starts (assuming he's available for 70 games).
Question marks at basically every outfield position, a turnstile at 3rd base, a #1 on the decline, a #2 who just has something wrong with him, a 2nd basemen with plastic knees, a power hitting 1st basemen with a weakened leg that is the foundation for his power, a catcher who claims to have A.D.D. and is missing the 1st 25 games and a leadoff hitter who, despite being a farging pimp, kind of sucks at getting on base.
I guess everything goes right they could win 90+ games. But that is A LOT of shtein that needs to go right. I still think this is an 85 win team. Of course, with the 2nd wildcard spot that might even be enough to get them in if none of the other wild card contenders run away with it. But that's as optimistic as I get.
whats amazing about how this team was built is that they are put together completely around their pitching staff and all their success depends on that....yet they put an atrocious defense behind it
Other than Young at 3rd, I won't say the defense is atrocious as much as it's an unknown at this point. Revere seems to be a pretty good centerfielder but the 2 corners are big ?. I really don't know what to expect defensively from Grit or Howard. Both were butchers in the field early on but improved dramatically, imo. Thing is, will either of them have the reflexes or the ability to plant their feet and go after sharply hit balls? We know we'll get gold glove caliber fielding from Jimmy. He's pretty much the only sure fire thing in the field for this team along with Young being a disaster. The rest is completely up in the air right now.
also the entire season hinges the right arm of a 35 year old who broke down in may of last year
Quote from: Sgt PSN on February 14, 2013, 01:25:12 PM
Other than Young at 3rd, I won't say the defense is atrocious as much as it's an unknown at this point. Revere seems to be a pretty good centerfielder but the 2 corners are big ?. I really don't know what to expect defensively from Grit or Howard. Both were butchers in the field early on but improved dramatically, imo. Thing is, will either of them have the reflexes or the ability to plant their feet and go after sharply hit balls? We know we'll get gold glove caliber fielding from Jimmy. He's pretty much the only sure fire thing in the field for this team along with Young being a disaster. The rest is completely up in the air right now.
jimmy and revere are good fielders
chooch is a good catcher but erik kratz lol starts there for the first month
everyone else ranges from bad to abominable
revere cant be described as good when his arm is juan pierre level weak
delmon young will be worse than manny ramirez could ever think to be, and hit 50 points less with sub .300 obp. then theres chase utleys knees and ryan howards hands.
The other thing with Chooch is that he's probably going to petition the league to allow him to take Adderall to treat his A.D.D. Apparently there are 116 players in the league who have been given the exemption. Cliff Lee is one (didn't see that one coming) and Pineapple Head is another (lol...shocking!).
If Chooch is denied (doubtful) then he's probably not even going to be a very good catcher. Even if he doesn't actually have A.D.D., he thinks he does and he thinks the meds help him focus and play better. Take that away and suddenly he's not going to be very good.
Quote from: MDS on February 14, 2013, 01:36:02 PM
revere cant be described as good when his arm is juan pierre level weak
true but im not even really talking about arms....im talking about simply getting to a ball and catching it as a way of getting outs for the pitching staff
well of course he can do that
but they will have significantly fewer runs saved because of him. even stuff no one thinks about...like people not running on victorino. last year the dude is at 3rd. now hell score.
that shtein adds up.
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 14, 2013, 01:38:56 PM
Quote from: MDS on February 14, 2013, 01:36:02 PM
revere cant be described as good when his arm is juan pierre level weak
true but im not even really talking about arms....im talking about simply getting to a ball and catching it as a way of getting outs for the pitching staff
Yup. Just catch the ball, cut off gappers before they hit the wall, etc. OF assists are nice but it's still pretty much a coin flip that the out will get recorded even if the guy has a rocket arm. Still has to be accurate and the person receiving the ball has to field it cleanly, apply the tag and hold the ball throughout contact. More runs are given up by shoddy OF play each year than they are saved by OF assists.
Quote from: MDS on February 14, 2013, 01:44:04 PM
well of course he can do that
but they will have significantly fewer runs saved because of him. even stuff no one thinks about...like people not running on victorino. last year the dude is at 3rd. now hell score.
that shtein adds up.
absolutely....but hes still a good fielder and right now they are so piss poor in that repsect that im not even worrying about arms...their problem is getting to the ball first and hes one of the two on the team that cant at least do that....ill worry about what they do with the ball later
btw i doubt anyone listened but choke held a press conference today where he pretty much went bedwetter goofy
Quote from: MDS on October 09, 2012, 12:11:05 AM
Quote2013: Ryan Howard, 34 years old, $20.0 million (14.05 percent of luxury tax threshold)
2014: Ryan Howard, 35 years old, $25.0 million (13.23 percent of luxury tax threshold)
2015: Ryan Howard, 36 years old, $25.0 million (13.23 percent of luxury tax threshold)
2016: Ryan Howard, 37 years old, $25.0 million (13.23 percent of luxury tax threshold
2017: Ryan Howard, 38 years old, $23.0 million or $10 million buyout (13.23 percent or 0.00 percent of luxury tax threshold)
lol
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 14, 2013, 02:05:35 PM
btw i doubt anyone listened but choke held a press conference today where he pretty much went bedwetter goofy
What did he say
Nm
Quote from: MDS on February 14, 2013, 03:02:38 PM
Quote from: MDS on October 09, 2012, 12:11:05 AM
Quote2013: Ryan Howard, 34 years old, $20.0 million (14.05 percent of luxury tax threshold)
2014: Ryan Howard, 35 years old, $25.0 million (13.23 percent of luxury tax threshold)
2015: Ryan Howard, 36 years old, $25.0 million (13.23 percent of luxury tax threshold)
2016: Ryan Howard, 37 years old, $25.0 million (13.23 percent of luxury tax threshold
2017: Ryan Howard, 38 years old, $23.0 million or $10 million buyout (13.23 percent or 0.00 percent of luxury tax threshold)
lol
Wasn't it agreed that we weren't going to ever post this again?
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on February 14, 2013, 10:44:05 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 14, 2013, 02:05:35 PM
btw i doubt anyone listened but choke held a press conference today where he pretty much went bedwetter goofy
What did he say
i dont even remember he was just trying so hard to be gooffy/funny.....its was really uncomfortable to listen to
he talked about how proud he is of Jared for keeping the weight off
Something about windows closing and not feeling a cool breeze
Baseball Prospectus projects the Phils to finish 80-82, tied w/ the Mets for 4th, 8 games back of Washington
how do they not have the nats winning 90 games...thats a joke
king is saying delmon young is going to miss at least the first few weeks of the season
so the opening day lineup will look something like this:
rollins-revere-utley-howard-myoung-ruff-brown-kratz
holy shtein
holy shtein, we get it. you think they will suck. shut the farg up about it
LETS GO TEAM!
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no, it's not that at all. you bring nothing to the table other than talking about their roster and faux shock about how much they will suck. yeah, it's a clever shtick. maybe mix it up once in awhile.
not a schitck, its the truth. i dont have an act...this is a weirdo internet message board with 3 people
i tell it like it is and this team stinks. i cant do anything if you dont like the truth. but i still love you, sort of.
i haven't commented if i agree or not. i could agree with you 100% and i would still be sick of you posting the same shtein every day.
Quote from: MDS on February 15, 2013, 02:29:49 PM
this is a weirdo internet message board
C'mon Todd. Weird but loveable.
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 15, 2013, 12:48:23 PM
how do they not have the nats winning 90 games...thats a joke
That is shocking. They are stacked, reloaded on top of what they already had in place, young, etc. They'll win 90 games by just showing up.
Can Todd tell us again what the lineup is going to be or who's gonna be in the OF or that Michael Young is on the team?
Quote from: Don Ho on February 15, 2013, 02:52:56 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 15, 2013, 12:48:23 PM
how do they not have the nats winning 90 games...thats a joke
That is shocking. They are stacked, reloaded on top of what they already had in place, young, etc. They'll win 90 games by just showing up.
they won 98 games last year with no strasburg for the last month and added dan haren rafeal soriano and denard span in the offseason but they are going to win 10 less games this year
this year they are going to lose 10 less games?
The Phillies won 102 games in 2011 and 81 last year.
shtein happens even to the, ahem, MIGHTY Nats.
Quote from: Rome on February 15, 2013, 05:26:59 PM
The Phillies won 102 games in 2011 and 81 last year.
shtein happens even to the, ahem, MIGHTY Nats.
the phillies all got old and injured at the same time and added no one
the nats are on the rise and added a bunch of shtein in the offseason
not comparable
im not saying the nats are going to win 110 games or even a hundred games.....but to say they are going to win less than 90 is preposterous
I never said the teams or the situations were comparable. I merely posited that unexpected events occur that can derail a team regardless of where they were projected to finish.
Happens all the time, in fact. Look no further than the team you typically cheer for on Sundays (meaning the Eagles).
sure the nats could win 80 games...fine
and the phillies could win 100 games
but we are talking about a prediction
give me a reason why they will win less than 90 besides unexpected events might happen
if we're lucky delmon young will be injured the whole season, dude farging sucks
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 15, 2013, 05:40:30 PM
Quote from: Rome on February 15, 2013, 05:26:59 PM
The Phillies won 102 games in 2011 and 81 last year.
shtein happens even to the, ahem, MIGHTY Nats.
the phillies all got old and injured at the same time and added no one
the nats are on the rise and added a bunch of shtein in the offseason
not comparable
im not saying the nats are going to win 110 games or even a hundred games.....but to say they are going to win less than 90 is preposterous
BP seems to always undersell teams at the top of divisions and their predicted W/L record. Nats should be somewhere around 94/95 allowing for the possibility of a small tail off from last year, but actually predicting less than 90 seems dumb.
forget the nats for a minute...even if they were to fall off that much then you gotta think the braves or even the phillies win the division and do it with more than 90's wins....i cant see the the nl east winner in the 80's
I actually think the Nats are gonna win it all this year. They have too much talent in the lineup and their pitching is retarded.
That said, anything can happen in baseball. One guy could get hurt and then another and another. shtein happens. Plus, it's not usually the best team that wins the ring.
Seriously, when was the last time the best regular season team won the World Series? The 2009 Yankees? And then before that - who?
It's usually a team that gets shtein hot in the last few weeks of the season and carries it through the playoffs. The Nats might be that team, but it's a huge if right now. Until they prove they know how to win when the pot in the middle of the table is full I'm not giving them anything. Plus they're from Washington so farg those iceholes.
Quote from: Rome on February 16, 2013, 05:45:04 AMSeriously, when was the last time the best regular season team won the World Series? The 2009 Yankees? And then before that - who?
In the last 30 years, the 2007 Red Sox, 1998 Yankees, 1989 Athletics, 1986 Mets and 1984 Tigers, the 1985 Cardinals should've won the WS that year if it wasn't for a blown call, and a couple of teams were 1 or 2 wins away from the best record overall when they won. It's pretty much whoever gets hot in September/October.
Quote from: Rome on February 16, 2013, 05:45:04 AM
It's usually a team that gets shtein hot in the last few weeks of the season and carries it through the playoffs.
I don't know what the farg you guys are talking about. The team that wins the last game of the WS is usually the team that wins the WS.
anyone trying to go to chicago labor day weekend for phils cubs?
September series with 2 teams that might both be 10+ games back? Sounds exciting.
standings are definitely what road trips are all about especially the home club....who wants to watch a bad cubs team
also now that i think about it going to wrigley and hanging out in an awesome city while seeing your favorite team sounds awful
OUT
lol.
I'd be all about it if I had any reason to believe that the Phils would at least be decent. Maybe by the break, if the Phils are even respectable, I might look into it. Chi town is a city worth visiting on it's own. I don't need to be lured there by the prospect of seeing crappy baseball.
I already scratched that trip off my bucket list (went there in 1997 during the Sammy Sosa craze). It was an incredible trip and not just because of the baseball. Chicago is off the charts amazing.
no matter how awesome the city i dont think i could ever visit it if it wasnt centered around a philly sporting event
id rather go to tampa to see the eagles than chicago all by itself
also temple is at notre dame that saturday....i wanna take a piss and draw devil horns on touchdown jesus
I thought there was another Philly team playing in the area at the same time, couldn't remember who though. And it's definitely better if you can tie in a Philly sporting event while visiting a city....I'd just prefer to see a good Philly team if I'm travelling. I'll drive into Philly every day of the week to watch a bad Phillies, Eagles or Sixers team. But if I'm travelling, I'd really prefer it if they didn't suck.
im the opposite....of course id rather all the teams be great all the time but the w/l record means less to me on the road than at home....on the road i just love the comradery of being with philly fans and taking over the stadium....and of course seeing a different city is awesome
when i see a game in philly its 100% about getting the win
like im not going to take an eagle road trip next year cause they suck....in fact i would like to do denver and tampa
I feel ya, I guess I just put a little more stock in the actual game during a roadie than you do. And I put football roadies in a completely different category than baseball. 1 football game is as important as like 20 baseball games which makes the game more interesting all by itself. And even if the Eagles suck, if they're playing in a city I'm interested in visiting, then I'll go no matter how good or bad they are because it could be 5+ years before the Eagles visit that town again.
I don't have to worry about that with baseball except for interleague play. If I don't catch the Phils in Chicago this year, I get a couple cracks at it every year. Granted, in Chi town over Labor Day with Temple playing @ ND is pretty farging rare and makes for an awesome sports weekend, but college FB (especially Temple) is barely on my radar so the motivation isn't quite the same for me.
However, the thought of buying 2 tickets for the Temple/ND game just so I can wear a t-shirt that says "I'm with Manti's g/f" with an arrow pointing at the empty seat does make it more intriguing.
plus you can say you were at the start of the matt rhoule era which will wind up mirroring the nick saban era, just with big east titles instead of national titles
p.s. right now im looking into phils vs. san diego/la trip in late june. never seen petco. never seen tijuana hooker. hello.
petco is awful
mexican hookers are probably decent
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 17, 2013, 04:23:54 PM
petco is awful
mexican hookers are probably decent
That it is. It's a really underwhelming ballpark.
TJ isn't safe to travel to right now. Maybe you'd be fine during the day but you better get your white ass back across the border before sunset.
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 17, 2013, 04:23:54 PM
petco is awful
mexican hookers are probably decent
Nothing worth losing your head over...
believe me petco is not high on my list, but i do want to see san diego
the roadie options for summer are sd/la and minny/milwaukee. you take what you can get. id be IN for chicago/nd but my boy is getting married in philly that weekend so shtein
i have never been there but i have also never heard a good word about sd.....ever
you have an opinion on something youve never seen? WHAT THE HECK. THAT NEVER HAPPENS.
wait are you talking about sd the city or sd the person. cause sd is legit except for the whole science doesnt exist thing.
love sd the person...solid...but yeah the whole anti science pro rape stuff is curious
as for sd the city i have enough info from people i love and trust to know that its a terrible place
what will sd say about sd
I really can't imagine anyone having bad things to say about San Diego. Unless you hate warm weather, beaches, hot chicks and Mexican food. Then yeah, it would be a pretty zesty place.
from what ive heard its an empty souless terrible place....to be fair everyone thats relayed this info is from the northeast...if you are from MA then it might be the greatest place on earth
Quote from: Sgt PSN on February 17, 2013, 05:58:21 PM
I really can't imagine anyone having bad things to say about San Diego. Unless you hate warm weather, beaches, hot chicks and Mexican food. Then yeah, it would be a pretty zesty place.
He hates all of those things except hot chicks and probably Mexican food. It's a lame ass sports town. Probably not his scene. It's an amazing city. I plan to take a trip with my daughter in a few years. If I ever hit mega millions I'm buying a house on Sunset Cliffs.
oh shtein i just remembered they have like the greatest zoo ever
IN IN IN IN im seeing pandas
Quote from: MDS on February 17, 2013, 06:04:48 PM
oh shtein i just remembered they have like the greatest zoo ever
IN IN IN IN im seeing pandas
national zoo pandas
IN IN IN IN havas basement
Quote from: MDS on February 17, 2013, 06:04:48 PM
oh shtein i just remembered they have like the greatest zoo ever
IN IN IN IN im seeing pandas
Only visited once and that was when Mama dooks came to visit. Like their ballpark I like Philly's version better.
Quote from: SD on February 17, 2013, 06:04:37 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on February 17, 2013, 05:58:21 PM
I really can't imagine anyone having bad things to say about San Diego. Unless you hate warm weather, beaches, hot chicks and Mexican food. Then yeah, it would be a pretty zesty place.
He hates all of those things except hot chicks and probably Mexican food. It's a lame ass sports town. Probably not his scene. It's an amazing city. I plan to take a trip with my daughter in a few years. If I ever hit mega millions I'm buying a house on Sunset Cliffs.
Yeah, it's a terrible sports town and I should have taken that into consideration for IGY since that's probably either the most or 2nd most important thing about a town for him.....with food being the other. And fat dudes hate the beach.
And instead of waiting to hit the lottery, you wanna put funds together and pick up a duplex in El Cajon?
San Diego is a great town. Good restaurants, best weather on the planet, nice beaches and some very cool surrounding communities like La Jolla, Carlsbad (Legoland is one of the coolest places for both kids and adults), Coronado, Pacific Beach (my bro lived there while attending San Diego State).
True it is a horrible sports town. just to many transplants living there and the whole Southern Californiaidis thing going on.
My lasting impression of El Cajon were those brush fires about 10 years ago. That was insane.
Quote"If we're not the top bullpen in Major League Baseball [next season], we'll definitely be the top in the National League," Jonathan Papelbon said after the Phillies finished 2012 with a lackluster loss to Washington at Nationals Park.
Oh my God! I forgot about this last year. Asked to explain he responded with:
QuoteThe only reason I said that is because I see a very eerily similar bullpen to the one I was in during the 2006 season," Papelbon said. "Then we came out of that and into 2007 and went on to win the World Series. It was almost identical bullpens except for the fact that I'm a little bit older now. Overall, it was very, very similar."
Oh, OK. Feel much better now.
I've found that completely ignoring the diarrhea that streams from the mouths of athletes is the best policy.
Quote from: Rome on February 18, 2013, 05:20:26 PM
I've found that completely ignoring the diarrhea that streams from the mouths of athletes is the best policy.
Unless they love their pets.
igs' new favorite Phillie
QuoteBenRevere9
Happy black history month! Lol
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hes mcnabb for the new generation, carbon copy
two phillies made BA top 100 prospects
jesse biddle @ 89
roman quinn @ 100
QuoteCLEARWATER, Fla. - Whether it's Cliff Lee or Jimmy Rollins, Roy Halladay or Chase Utley, the first name they rattle off when they're asked about the new players in camp is the same.
Ben Revere.
He might have the shortest resumé of the players Ruben Amaro Jr. added this winter, but Revere also could have the biggest impact. The aforementioned players all know Revere because of his defense.
"If a ball had any hang time, you better watch out," said fellow newcomer Delmon Young, "because you're going to see Flying Revere."
Young knows more than anyone in Clearwater. Revere and Young were teammates in Minnesota in 2011, the former's first full season in the big leagues.
Young remembers seeing a lot of "Flying Revere," but the play that sticks with him is the one that came a week after he was traded to the Tigers in mid-August 2011.
"The catch he made against Vladimir [Guerrero]," Young said, smiling. "He turned every which way."
The catch is worth seeing: Type "Ben Revere catch Vlad" into your search engine. On the play, Revere makes like Willie Mays in the 1954 World Series, except he runs about 30 yards farther, collides into the centerfield wall feet-first and holds onto his hat, too. MLB Network was impressed enough to run a 2-minute feature on Revere's grab, complete with analysis.
"You're going to see a lot of highlights, and you're going to sit there and try to understand how he even did it," Young said. "Philly fans are going to like him, because he's one of the fastest guys in baseball."
Many Phillies fans have already gravitated toward Revere, despite the fact that he hasn't even played in a game for their team yet. The 24-year-old is a hit on Twitter (@BenRevere9).
No one tweet encapsulates Ben Revere's Twitter personality better than the one he sent out to the world just before 8 a.m. on Wednesday: "Another day of baseball!!"
Revere had gained more than 12,000 followers since the Phillies sent pitchers Vance Worley and Trevor May to acquire him in a trade 2 months ago.
"[Phillies fans] are very active," Revere said. "It's like the most [active] behind the Yankees. I wake up in the morning, send a tweet and boom-boom-boom, everybody is on it. They're active from morning to night. It's good, though."
Revere was somewhat reserved while sitting at his locker before the official workout began a little less than an hour later, but his childlike enthusiasm is infectious. And it's not lost on his new teammates.
"The little man out in centerfield, Tootsie Pop, Ben Revere, he's going to bring that energy," Jimmy Rollins said.
The origin of Tootsie Pop is a bit of a mystery. It's also far from the only nickname Revere has been given at some point.
"Some people call me Rev, Rev Run, Firecracker," Revere began. "Benjamin Button, Benny Boy, Benny and the Jets. They just make up anything."
"I call him B-Rev," Ryan Howard chimed in.
With fancy catches, continuous tweets and a never-ending run of nicknames, Revere is adequately taking over in an outfield that lost a healthy heaping of energy when both Shane Victorino and Hunter Pence were traded away in July.
But interacting with fans is easy. Keeping them on your good side when the games begin? That's not as easy with a sometimes unforgiving fan base.
"It's just trying to not do too much," said Revere, who is switching to a full-time gig in centerfield after playing in right and backing up Denard Span in Minnesota. "I know everybody will be kind of watching out for the new guy, especially a big-market team like the Phillies. But I'm just going to play my game and be the same person like I was with the Twins. Be the goofy guy in the clubhouse, but on the field I'll be serious and ready to play and try to help my team win a game."
In addition to his glove, Revere should help with his bat. He hit .294 with a .333 on-base percentage in 124 games with the Twins in 2012. He has stolen 74 bases the last two seasons.
"He'll turn routine ground balls into hits just by flat-out beating the ball to first base," Young said.
Revere's speed leads to the obvious question of whether he'll dethrone Jimmy Rollins at the top of the Phillies' lineup. Even Rollins agreed to the debate: "He's definitely a leadoff hitter."
Just don't ask manager Charlie Manuel.
"I don't think you guys ever see the value in Jimmy Rollins," Manuel told reporters before running off Rollins' production numbers. "He's been my leadoff hitter ever since I've been here. When I see Ben Revere hit and see him play, we'll sit down and talk about where he's going to hit and where he's going to help us the most. I've got an idea. We'll find out where we want him. Nobody is going to tell me where to hit somebody."
When Manuel was asked about Revere's defense, he repeated the same refrain: He wants to see him play in a game first.
Revere doesn't care where he hits. He's just happy he's no longer "trapped" in rightfield and is able to run free in center again.
"You feel like a dog running in the backyard or a big open field," Revere said. "I felt kind of like I was trapped in a corner. Now, I'm happy."
Give him the Willie Mays Hayes treatment. Hit the ball in the air, 20 pushups.
QuoteNobody is going to tell me where to hit somebody.
Paging Ryne Sandberg...
jarred cosart in the game for the stros
heidi with two scorless today
games online for free
You know it's spring training. Pete Orr just hit a home run.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on February 23, 2013, 03:39:49 PM
You know it's spring training. Pete Orr just hit a home run.
PETE PETE PETE PETE PETE
just practicing for opening day.
phils traded schwimmer to toronto for some loser
So no more Ross from "Friends" jokes?
I'd call that a win.
Art Charles -1B dude has 211k's and 140 hits.
Name sounds like some jazz saxophonist
He's choke Jr. 6'6" 220 lefty black 1B that Ks a ton, and it took him 3 years to reach low-A ball
Well Choke Sr. is doing a great job mentoring Art. 0-3 with 2k today.
Quote from: Don Ho on February 23, 2013, 06:20:09 PM
0-3 with 2k today.
gonna be a hell of a season
http://www.youtube.com/v/dR4_OMa5Bs8?version=3&hl=en_US
Dave Cash was one cool mutha.
I just dug up a Phillies Today (Sponsored by M.A.B. Paint) scorebook from a game i went to in 1985.
Von Hayes, Juan, Ozzie Virgil, Michael Jack, Jeltz, Lefty. That's all I got. They really sucked ass that year. Those were brutal years 1984 -92.
rube be cold
straight cold clocked schwimmer outta here. for some god awful oaf. bidness man.
Quote from: Don Ho on February 24, 2013, 12:18:39 AM
Von Hayes, Juan, Ozzie Virgil, Michael Jack, Jeltz, Lefty. That's all I got. They really sucked ass that year. Those were brutal years 1984 -92.
Pretty much. 86 wasn't
terrible though. They won 85 or 86 games and finished with the 3rd best record in the NL that year. And Schmidt won his final MVP. It was pretty much the last year they were watchable until 93.
Quote from: Don Ho on February 24, 2013, 12:18:39 AM
Von Hayes, Juan, Ozzie Virgil, Michael Jack, Jeltz, Lefty. That's all I got. They really sucked ass that year. Those were brutal years 1984 -92.
85 was the year that Schmidt switched to first with Rick Schu playing third. Had a terrible first half, people were saying that he was finished. May have been the year he went off on Phils fans in the Montreal press and wore the wig.
Glenn Wilson played right - that was his big year.
I believe Johnny Wockenfuss was on the team that year...
Pitching staff: John Denny - Shane Rawley - Kevin Gross - Charles Hudson - dang I'm fogetting somebody.
Carlton was hurt that year... basically when he started off the cliff. He only played a short part of the year.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on February 24, 2013, 08:13:10 AM
Quote from: Don Ho on February 24, 2013, 12:18:39 AM
Von Hayes, Juan, Ozzie Virgil, Michael Jack, Jeltz, Lefty. That's all I got. They really sucked ass that year. Those were brutal years 1984 -92.
Pretty much. 86 wasn't terrible though. They won 85 or 86 games and finished with the 3rd best record in the NL that year. And Schmidt won his final MVP. It was pretty much the last year they were watchable until 93.
Welcome to my high school and college years. Sonsofbitches.
Bruce Ruffin?
I think Ruffin started in 1987. I believe that Don Carman was in the bullpen in '85, now that I think of it.
charles hudson was my man....i remember being so salty because they were gonna trade him to san diego....and then so happy because lamar hoyt got arrested for drugs and it killed the deal
Quote from: Geowhizzer on February 24, 2013, 08:43:30 AM
I think Ruffin started in 1987. I believe that Don Carman was in the bullpen in '85, now that I think of it.
Oh, you're talking 85 Phils. My bad. I was talking about the 86 Phils.....which did have Ruffin as a SP. Also Mike Maddux was another. I looked it up.
I think 85 was the year the Phils had Dave Stewart. They shipped him off to Oakland where he didn't accomplish much other than 4 consecutive 20 win seasons and a World Series MVP.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on February 24, 2013, 08:15:21 AM
I believe Johnny Wockenfuss was on the team that year...
Pitching staff: John Denny - Shane Rawley - Kevin Gross - Charles Hudson - dang I'm fogetting somebody.
Carlton was hurt that year... basically when he started off the cliff. He only played a short part of the year.
I think the 5th starter was Jerry Koosman
Quote from: SD on February 24, 2013, 10:34:54 AM
Quote from: Geowhizzer on February 24, 2013, 08:15:21 AM
I believe Johnny Wockenfuss was on the team that year...
Pitching staff: John Denny - Shane Rawley - Kevin Gross - Charles Hudson - dang I'm fogetting somebody.
Carlton was hurt that year... basically when he started off the cliff. He only played a short part of the year.
I think the 5th starter was Jerry Koosman
That's it. Had to be the end of the line for him.
Holy crap! That's right, Koosman. He was like 90 years old. I saw him pitch for the Mets when I was little kid in the the 70's in Candlestick when they played the Giants. Mid June, night game, maybe 8K in the house and we froze our asses off. That was such a shtein hole of a ball park.
Papsmear looked like dog shtein in middle relief today.
QuotePapelbon allowed five hits, six runs, two walks, two home runs and struck out two in two-thirds of an inning in his Grapefruit League debut. He threw 22 pitches (13 strikes) and walked off the mound with an 81.00 ERA.
"I felt good," Papelbon said. "Just as long as I'm repeating my delivery. I'm more concerned about repeating my delivery throwing the ball out front ... that's really it. Everything else kind of falls by the wayside as the spring goes on."
:paranoid
so ever so quietly mlb uploaded like 1000 classic clips a few weeks ago. most are from the 90s and late 80s, when the phillies were god awful, so there are limited videos.
i think this is most of them: http://mlb.mlb.com/search/media.jsp?query=classic%20philadelphia%20phillies&c_id=mlb&start=1&hitsPerPage=12&hitsPerSite=10&trackVal=1
my favorite in the bunch is tony barron face planting into the vet turf: http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=25537131&c_id=mlb
apparently this is all of them: http://mlb.mlb.com/search/media.jsp?mlbtax_key=classic&start=1&trackVal=First&hitsPerPage=12&hitsPerSite=10&c_id=mlb
Dom Brown murdered a baseball today
Just good to hear Harry again on Tommy Green's no-hitter in 1991.
Todd, good stuff. I could watch that shtein all day.
Quote from: MDS on February 26, 2013, 01:58:06 PM
so ever so quietly mlb uploaded like 1000 classic clips a few weeks ago. most are from the 90s and late 80s, when the phillies were god awful, so there are limited videos.
i think this is most of them: http://mlb.mlb.com/search/media.jsp?query=classic%20philadelphia%20phillies&c_id=mlb&start=1&hitsPerPage=12&hitsPerSite=10&trackVal=1
my favorite in the bunch is tony barron face planting into the vet turf: http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=25537131&c_id=mlb
apparently this is all of them: http://mlb.mlb.com/search/media.jsp?mlbtax_key=classic&start=1&trackVal=First&hitsPerPage=12&hitsPerSite=10&c_id=mlb
Beautiful.
I remember many vividly. The Uncle Milty catch in SD in '93 was awesome.
they added some more videos today
i wish these things were organized. like this could be filed under "steroid shots" http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=25626939&c_id=mlb
was reading an article on this woodward/white house beef and came across this nuggett from well known phillies fan david plouffe
QuoteObama adviser David Plouffe suggested that Woodward — who along with Carl Bernstein grew famous for coverage of the Watergate scandal during the Nixon administration — was past his prime.
"Watching Woodward last 2 days is like imagining my idol Mike Schmidt facing live pitching again. Perfection gained once is rarely repeated," he tweeted Wednesday evening.
Not to turn this into a politics thread, but now that the emails are out there for everyone to read, i'm getting a big laugh at how hard the right tried to make a controversy out of it.
So this Ruf experiment in left is going well huh
say hello to a laynce nix/AAAberry platoon
say hello to 3rd place
Choke is actually hitting and Hamels looked strong again. That is all.
HOF Dom looked good again too
HOF just launched one. Wally Joyner paying dividends.
HOF (http://philadelphia.phillies.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=25654231&topic_id=26668296&c_id=phi) and choke (http://philadelphia.phillies.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=25654301&topic_id=26668296&c_id=phi) destroyed a couple of em today
i cant wait to go down there in a couple weeks....if only the stadium would be that empty on saint patricks day
I've seen tons of home runs hit in that place in person. Choke's today was absolutely crushed. The wind was blowing probably 25-30 left to right, but still... damn.
Von Brown is actually looking like a ballplayer this spring. We'll see if he can keep it up.
to be successful in spring training all you have to do is try.....and guys who are on their third strike try the hardest....wake me when hes bashing in april may and june
That may just pertain to the second half of my post...
we are talking about HOF not choke
lets let him hit in ANY real games before we ask him to hit in the clutch
well hes beat out john mayberry and darren ruff for playing time. so theres that.
Ruf looks completely lost. No confidence whatsoever.
hes a lifetime AAA'er
the positionless homer or bust mid 20's dude looks lost?
you dont say
hes lost to homers that thought he was a major leaguer
to everyone else hes being himself
Quote from: MDS on March 03, 2013, 09:16:17 PM
the positionless homer or bust mid 20's dude looks lost?
you dont say
Almost like you in a whorehouse.
spring training is really separating the chaff from the other chaff
Quote from: Geowhizzer on March 03, 2013, 09:24:00 PM
Quote from: MDS on March 03, 2013, 09:16:17 PM
the positionless homer or bust mid 20's dude looks lost?
you dont say
Almost like you in a whorehouse.
geo the morman dropped dimes
i love it
baserunners are perfect against the phils this spring.....including 8 for 8 against kratz
hurry back roid monster
Kratz would've had an easy one yesterday if Chase hadn't dropped the ball when applying the tag
should be an all time bad defense
chase dropped the ball on one, hater
kratzy is pretty good
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Igy?
his crack isnt that smooth
Quote from: SD on March 04, 2013, 06:24:51 PM
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Is this Chooch without Adderall?
Cole's getting roughed up by the Dominican WBC team....8-1 in the 3rd
This DR lineup is freightening. Cole picked a bad game to work on his curveball.
14-1 Dominican Republic, top 8th, they have 27 hits
27 hits?? Jesus farg
http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/9015864/jonah-keri-why-philadelphia-phillies-need-retool-their-roster
homers put your heads in the sand. facts comin atchya!
article is a year to late.....not to say this years trade deadline shouldnt be a fire sale but the amount of players you can move and the bounty you get back for them is much less than last year
last summer it should have been blown up
you wont get an argument from me on that
the person i worry about is halladone. hes so fickle and close minded. he might refuse to waive his ntc because itll be a distraction or whatever. out of all them hes the one they have the best chance to get something for. hes get a semi decent chance of being a top line pitcher and they can easily get a boatload for him.
the most interesting part of the piece, to me, was the justifiable attack on manuel for how he handled hof brown. granted to a certain extent he was right...they had to win now and at that point brown was a liability. but if youll remember pat burrell took 3 years to hit above .270 and followed with a year where he barely cleared the mendoza line.
not everyone in trout or albert pujols. you have to have patience with young players, especially ones you invested so much in. the phillies did not do that with brown, not by a long shot, and in the mean time have destroyed his market value and perhaps his confidence.
you answered your own question
i agree he should have seen everyday at bats to determine if hes a fraud or not...but they (stupidly) thought they could win last year and if that was their thinking then you couldnt put him in the lineup as he wasnt ready
the hardest thing in sports is to admit youre are done...for the phillies it was that much harder because they had a super expensive all IN roster....but what seperates the great front offices from the average ones is knowing when to fold em
i was thinking more along the lines of 10 and 11 when he got a couple of looks. 10 maybe he wasnt quite ready.
11 he could have played every day and they would have won the nl east by the same margin. 12 was an abomination. why he was playing in lehigh when laynce nix and john mayberry were getting at bats is beyond explanation.
now they have someone who has yet to have a full ML season is already 25 and will be 26 in september. jason heyward is 23. mike trout is 21. justin upton is 25. this will all end well.
if he was good enough he would have made the decision for them....hes 25 and hasnt done shtein because hes not that good
on top of that 10 especially but even 11 was ridiculous for him to get real time...they had legit world series contender teams then...he had no business playing because of the team and because he was horrible
definitely a possibility
he did nothing in his various callups to make you think anything of him. but jettisoning him from aaa to mlb and putting things in his head pre-2011 that he was untouchable wasnt good. they traded everyone from the farm system but him. everyone. then he cant do anything to earn consistent playing time. manuel hates him. the fans are on him. its not the best environment for success.
it defnitely wasnt the ideal enviroment in that he was a young buck trying to crack a team who expected to win the world series
but again if he was a true young stud like the other players ou mentioned he would have played himself into the lineup over someone like an ibanez....there were def people in the lineup he could have run off...
no doubt, but its not always and immediate thing in baseball
they needed to leave him alone and let him hit .230 if he was going to hit .230. but manuel is a stubborn impatient old fart who thought they were going to win the world series last year
their offense was bad enough...they def couldnt afford a clueless young kid in the lineup to makes things even worse
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 06, 2013, 03:03:00 AM
but what seperates the great front offices from the average ones is knowing when to fold em
Kenny Rogers for GM?
Quoteryanlawrence21
Asked Delmon Young if he was anxious to get on the field: "No. I'm not anxious at all. It's cold out. It's only March 6."
92 wins this year. suck my meatcicle
bet?
Nails Jr playing 3rd for the Nats.
Quote from: BigEd76 on March 06, 2013, 11:50:53 AM
Quoteryanlawrence21
Asked Delmon Young if he was anxious to get on the field: "No. I'm not anxious at all. It's cold out. It's only March 6."
The anti-Halladone
I'm glad he feels that way because I'm not anxious to see Delmon Young on the field either.
A few snippets I remember hearing between Mikey Miss and Jayson Stark this afternoon:
- Halladay was throwing 86-88 mph today. Topped out at 89.
- Utley is looking better than at any time in the past two years.
- Howard may be getting "sent a message" by playing in every game thus far. Mentioned being "out of shape."
Stark said that the Phils could be playing in October, or they could be selling in July. Nothing like hedging your bets, Jayson.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on March 06, 2013, 08:26:25 PM
A few snippets I remember hearing between Mikey Miss and Jayson Stark this afternoon:
- Halladay was throwing 86-88 mph today. Topped out at 89.
- Utley is looking better than at any time in the past two years.
- Howard may be getting "sent a message" by playing in every game thus far. Mentioned being "out of shape."
Stark said that the Phils could be playing in October, or they could be selling in July. Nothing like hedging your bets, Jayson.
Haha I heard that part and thought he was pretty clear in saying that the outcome for their season is so wide open, but still lol
He was saying something about how awesome their one catching prospect has been too
Tommy Joseph?
He's looking pretty good.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 06, 2013, 10:46:56 PM
Tommy Joseph?
He's looking pretty good.
Thank you, couldn't remember the name.
He said he's looked good enough that it might make Valle trade bait, and then got into how they'll have to figure out a way to phase Joseph in over the next couple years, saying it'd probably be for theb est if they find a way to keep Ruiz for another year or two after this.
Couldn't they just keep Valle and maybe convert him to 1B? Even if Howard is still effective in two years, his body isn't going to let him stay in the line up every day, and if Joseph really is all that, they could use Valle as a bench C/1B option to give those two guys a break, no?
Apparently Tommy Joseph has looked good.
LOL at the mesage being sent to Choke. What, 12 straight days! HA!
by all means waste him away in AAA in april during roidheads suspension so kratz and humberto quintero can get at bats
or give him 2 starts, see him make 1 mistake and then watch charlie get impatient and whine to rube about it
HOF batting .424 this spring.
After today's Canada/Mexico WBC brawl:
QuoteP_Aumont17
Phillies fan.. How about Sebastian Valle swinging at people with his catchers mask.. #stupid
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5,013 in attendance today for the Phils at Houston. No exaggeration it was at least 90% Phillies fans.
Magic Hat #9 in a can? hm.
Do what you gotta do, Munson.
BTW: Wasn't a fan but there was no way I was drinking farging Michelob Ultra today... Sorry Beer Gods.
It's delicious in a bottle/on tap, but I've never drank anything that wasn't piss out of a can before
anyone remember the game from late september 1996 when mike williams threw at pedro martinez as retaliation for him plunking gregg jefferies?
relive the magic http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=25677225&c_id=mlb
shtein, Benito Santiago was catching for the bums back in 96. Pedro looked like he was 13.
Quote from: MDS on March 11, 2013, 01:51:03 AM
anyone remember the game from late september 1996
Nope. I was 20, living in Seattle and didn't even have basic cable. Probably read about it the next day in the paper but this is probably the 1st time I've seen it. It does reaffirm the man crush I've always had on Pedro through.
Junior year of HS...remember that one. I saw the highlights on Baseball tonight.
The worst announcer ever - FP Santangelo - comes in and cleans Benito up.
I used to have the same Phils jacket too. Comfortable as hell
Pedro is an all timer. The Karim Garcia incident is one of my faves
will we ever know why pedro was throwing at gregg jefferies in the first place? does it matter?
Quote from: MDS on March 11, 2013, 08:07:41 PM
will we ever know why pedro was throwing at gregg jefferies in the first place?
Because he deserved it. I mean, the guy had a completely unnecessary 3rd g in his name.
halladone got shelled today...topping out at 87
90 wins.
He looked like shtein today. Well in his defense it was a miserable, sultry 68 degrees in Clearwater at game time.
Encouraging!
He's cooked. Velocity doesn't come back. I also notice his delivery is different this season. He used to bring the ball in towards his body before he started his delivery, now it's hanging out. His motion also isn't as fluid. I don't know if that is intentional or not but it's something that needs to be addressed.
I think they're intentionally trying to change his delivery/release to compensate for the dropped velocity, at least I thought I read something in that vein
Quote from: SD on March 12, 2013, 09:48:24 PM
He's cooked. Velocity doesn't come back. I also notice his delivery is different this season. He used to bring the ball in towards his body before he started his delivery, now it's hanging out. His motion also isn't as fluid. I don't know if that is intentional or not but it's something that needs to be addressed.
hes finished...in fact its criminal rube didnt trade him already. his value will only go down the more he jamie moyers his way through the season
He complained about feeling exhausted today. Jesus Christ, its farging March 12! What was he supposed to go today? 4, 5 innings? I usually don't put an once of thought in Spring training as players are working on certain things, pitchers working on a new pitch or what ever, but to complain about exhaustion in March? Not encouraging at all. shtein, it's been sweater weather most of spring training.
hes almost fainted like five different times on the mound since hes become a phillie....but hes the workout warrior running stadium steps six hours before anyone else shows up at the park...sickening
Nutjob closer hanging with the family
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His kid has the Desmond Bryant mugshot face
Does his kid have the downs or something? Eyes are close together and half closed, big forehead, doesn't know how to look up....
Quote from: Sgt PSN on March 13, 2013, 01:32:36 PM
Does his kid have the downs or something?
his father does and i think its 50/50 as to whether that gets passed down or not...looks like the over hit there
if they all fell into the ocean and they could void his contract id be ok with it
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 13, 2013, 01:35:01 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on March 13, 2013, 01:32:36 PM
Does his kid have the downs or something?
his father does and i think its 50/50 as to whether that gets passed down or not...looks like the over hit there
Legit lol @ this.
Can Rufus play left field?
HOF just gave an all time classic interview on the morning show...ive heard post game interviews from him before but holy shtein this shed a whole new light....cat is LEGIT hilarious...if they podcast it its a must listen
Did you hear Mikey Miss' interview with him last week? It was so bad. Missanelli was pulling his hair out trying to get something out of Brown. Said it was one of his most brutal interviews ever.
thats what he gets for going on the air with that douchebag
WIP all day errrrry day
the roob interview is pretty good as well
http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/audio/953-angelo-cataldi-morning-team/
hof brown interview gets a 7/10
what the farg you on havas
to each his own i guess....i wanted to butt hump him thru the radio when i was listening
slow start...very good story about wally joyner playing at his black school...otherwise solid if not unspectacular
rube was better
best part is his overall cool ass blunted demeanor and then when he called angelo "angie"
Halladay done after 1 inning and 25 or so pitches.
Quote from: Munson on March 17, 2013, 01:25:00 PM
Halladay done.
Unfortunately, that seems to be closer to the truth. Just fell off a cliff.
"stomach virus"
lol @ havas being there for that start
Um, what? (http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-big-league-stew/priceless-philadelphia-phillies-trade-pitcher-mike-cisco-los-175352340--mlb.html)
www.ruintomorrowjr.com
Quote from: Munson on March 17, 2013, 01:25:00 PM
Halladay done after 1 inning and 25 or so pitches.
Are you kidding me? Foken eh.
Quote from: Don Ho on March 17, 2013, 06:17:59 PM
Quote from: Munson on March 17, 2013, 01:25:00 PM
Halladay done after 1 inning and 25 or so pitches.
Are you kidding me? Foken eh.
Team is saying it's a stomach virus. Gut tells me something else.
largest crowd in clearwater history sunday....place is a gold mine...they got me for 55 bucks of gear
lol @ $55.
that's four t-shirts with "phillies" spelled wrong.
How much of that gear said "ill" on it?
Is Revere going to bat at the top or bottom of the lineup?
Quote from: Rome on March 19, 2013, 01:13:56 PM
lol @ $55.
that's four t-shirts with "phillies" spelled wrong.
t shirt was 27 bucks
bye bye darrin ruff
??? What happened? Sent down?
Yep. He hit the game winning HR today and got sent down after the game :-D
Yep, not surprised at all. He had an awful spring
Rodrigo Lopez was released too. I know...devastating
according to you phillie homers ruff going down just took 30 hr out of the lineup
He's looked over-matched in the same way Domonic Brown has in the last couple of spring trainings. He also looked like he was pressing like a motherfarger, also like Brown has in the past.
He belongs in AAA for the foreseeable future. Let him rip the shtein out of that pitching for a while (if he can). If he's successful, then great. If not, oh well.
Not for nothing either but that ball he hit today was absolutely blasted. I've been out there and the mini tiki bar out there is a lonnnnnnng way out there.
THERE!!
Babe Ruf is no more eh?
This OF gives me the warm and fuzzies.
How zesty do you have to be to not win a spot in this outfield? Granted Rufs a 1st baseman but still....
brown never looked overmatched in spring training, he got hurt last year and would have made the team anyway.
i dont want to look back on it but im certain rome had ruff for 30 dingers this year
Quote from: MDS on March 23, 2013, 02:57:28 AM
i dont want to look back on it but im certain rome had ruff for 30 dingers this year
hes certainly not alone
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 22, 2013, 07:23:13 PMThis OF gives me the warm and fuzzies.
Looks like Inciarte is gonna make the team instead of going back to Arizona. Dude's 22 and sounds 60
btw Doc's pitching at minors camp this morning and looks like shtein again against guys wearing 80s and 90s. Go Phils
Doc = 2009/10 Brad Lidge
lol halladay didnt even it make it to st paddys day before breaking down
No worries. Aaron Cook is poised to win 35 games for the Phils in Doc's place.
... or was that hit 30 homers in Ruf's place?
Decision day on Betancourt to see if he makes the roster per Salisbury. He said the Yank and Cards have been looking into him.
Maybe they can get a long reliever for him.
Or maybe His Smugness would like to trade him for...nothing?
or maybe who cares? because....wait for it...ITS YUTIENKSY BETANCOURT
You're right.
They cut him.
Maybe the Marlins will sign him to go along with Polanco, Dobbs and Valdez
Thank god for the Marlins. Only thing that's going to keep these bums out of the cellar.
galvis, who has one of the worst approaches to hitting ever, is going to get 4 at bats per week in the majots instead of 30 in AAA
brilliant
I think Galvis is going to get more AB's than that and that's probably a bad thing.
John Lannan
12 runs
4 innings
Good signing, Smuggy Bear.
So Doc's excuse is exhaustion. What's Lannan's? Hypothermia?
ok so laanan, the 5th starter, getting rocked in a pretend game = amaro sucks
doc getting rocked in several pretend games and not hitting 90 = ?
homer ho
I'm having a hard time with the realization this team may not win 80 games.
I should have really pressured Jay in putting some money on the Phils winning 90+. Too late for that now I suppose.
Today's lineup has Galvis starting in left and he was playing right yesterday, so I guess he's taking the Michael Martinez role of being everyone's backup
easy give me your phillies prediction for this year
85-77, 2nd place, dunno if they get a wildcard
so the phillies are winning more games than the braves?
Or the Nats come back to earth, not sure yet. They pretty much went start to finish last year without much of a challenge, then they folded in the DS. If the Phils are more like last September than what we saw leading up to that, and the Braves offense keeps them in games, the Nats could potentially crumble. Or they win the division again, who knows. I'm not sold on the Braves at all. Their offense looks good on paper, but Kimbrel is the only pitcher of theirs that I like. The rotation is questionable, and if they have more games where their starters are going only 4 or 5, it means the bullpen is gonna get even more abuse than the last few seasons
Jonny Venters made his first appearance in 2 weeks today and left the game with an elbow injury, so you have that going for you
lol at the nationals losing 14 more games this year than last
lol @ folded
drew storen folded. the team did not. they had game 5 won their closer choked. now they have a new one.
i understand its tough for people to grasp but the nationals are really really really good. maybe bryce harper will die and starsburgs arm will fall off. we can only hope.
To me, the Nats are the beast of the division for the next three years at least (barring injuries, of course).
Quote from: MDS on March 27, 2013, 02:24:01 AM
lol @ folded
drew storen folded. the team did not. they had game 5 won their closer choked. now they have a new one.
i understand its tough for people to grasp but the nationals are really really really good. maybe bryce harper will die and starsburgs arm will fall off. we can only hope.
what sick about the nats is that strasburg could die today and theyd still have a better rotation than the phillies....and for that matter most teams in baseball...barring an injury epidemic theres just no way they dont win the division much less win less than 85 games which is lol homertastic
The Phils are worth $893M, behind the Yanks, Dodgers, Red Sox and Cubs (all worth at least a billion). Looks like they're gonna renew their CSN deal too instead of going for their own network
Crazy what 1 WFC will do.
Quote from: BigEd76 on March 27, 2013, 11:27:13 PM
The Phils are worth $893M, behind the Yanks, Dodgers, Red Sox and Cubs (all worth at least a billion). Looks like they're gonna renew their CSN deal too instead of going for their own network
I hope they're going to ask for a shteinton more money?
the phillies cant star their own network unless they get the sixers or flyers to go in with them
flyers obviously are out. sixers' building is owned by comcast and i think they still might have a small stake in the team (easy?). either way they dont have a partner...like the nets on yes and bruins on nesn...so therefore they have no choice but to crawl back to csn.
espn the mag i got yesteday was baseball preview edition
they had floors and ceilings for all teams
phils numbers were 87 and 74
i'll put $50 on over 87
i already got 50 on playoffs with j otherwise id do it
halladay wins 87 games by himself
OVER
halladay threw 94 pitches in 4.1 today...barely hit 90
playoffs!
Quote from: MDS on March 28, 2013, 03:01:00 AM
sixers' building is owned by comcast and i think they still might have a small stake in the team
incorrect
Quote from: MDS on March 28, 2013, 02:49:10 PM
halladay threw 94 pitches in 4.1 today...barely hit 90
playoffs!
he did have six strikeouts....but his season will not end well...expect multiple fainting spells
Quote from: DH on March 28, 2013, 03:03:18 PM
Quote from: MDS on March 28, 2013, 03:01:00 AM
sixers' building is owned by comcast and i think they still might have a small stake in the team
incorrect
that why i put the easy bat signal after it...i wasnt sure if they still had a stake. ps how was your sedar
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 28, 2013, 03:05:33 PM
Quote from: MDS on March 28, 2013, 02:49:10 PM
halladay threw 94 pitches in 4.1 today...barely hit 90
playoffs!
he did have six strikeouts....but his season will not end well...expect multiple fainting spells
what comes first...dl or him getting out of the 6th
in fact the better bet is who goes on the dl first: halladay or michael young. delmon young would be eligible but hes already on it.
Quote from: MDS on March 28, 2013, 03:44:13 PM
Quote from: DH on March 28, 2013, 03:03:18 PM
Quote from: MDS on March 28, 2013, 03:01:00 AM
sixers' building is owned by comcast and i think they still might have a small stake in the team
incorrect
that why i put the easy bat signal after it...i wasnt sure if they still had a stake. ps how was your sedar
sedar = good, constipation which followed = not good
Phils in ESPN's top 500 players:
20 Cole Hamels
25 Cliff Lee
38 Roy Halladay
92 Jonathan Papelbon
111 Chase Utley
123 Carlos Ruiz
145 Jimmy Rollins
156 Ryan Howard
176 Mike Adams
254 Ben Revere
326 Michael Young
343 Antonio basticho
395 Kyle Kendrick
462 John Lannan
476 Delmon Young
497 Domonic Brown
Gotta love those position players. Poor HOF doesn't even get the nod over Delmon.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=-nI5PlYPao0
who is that chick and why are her tits so big
kacie mcdonnell...local traffic slut
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wtf
Nice porn stache.
that must be the new white person thing....cause joba has one as well
very interesting piece on the phillies anti nerd philosophy within the organization
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/phillies/20130328_Phillies_continue_to_rely_more_on_scouting_than_sabermetrics.html
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 30, 2013, 10:29:20 AM
very interesting piece on the phillies anti nerd philosophy within the organization
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/phillies/20130328_Phillies_continue_to_rely_more_on_scouting_than_sabermetrics.html
While I hate the sabremetrics - I equally hate the ignorance from Sir Smug when it comes to walks. When they were in they hey day they drew a ton of walks and that equaled runs.
they didnt draw a ton of walks nor did they have a great obp....they did draw more than they do now...but much of that had to do with how good the hitters were and their production levels in terms of hr rbi xbh...thus they were pitched around a lot more
the difference btwn their world series years and now is production not walks
that said walks are important and i definitely dont mean to make them sound insignificant but real production is much more important
I completely agree with that. Production is king. Not some advanced formulas dreamed up by an MIT grad.
Whatever system leads to signing Delmon Young and Yuniesky Betancourt is not a good system.
not making outs is a very good thing
delmon young makes a lot of outs
Quote from: MDS on March 30, 2013, 02:36:34 PM
not making outs is a very good thing
sabres think they are so smart
its not challenging to add logic...at some point you thought about all the fairy tales they were telling you about god and jesus and you knew they were bs
i dont care about vorp or pecota or any of that shtein. some of it might be legit but its not fun and its not sports to look at that stuff. but if you think about the value of not making outs, position value and how pointless the system is for giving pitchers wins/losses, youd be a slightly more educated fan