Phillies Offseason Thread 12-13

[MDS]

how bad are they gonna be this year

jesus christ

[PhillyPhreak54]

Thanks to Upton's 5/75, Pagan's 4/40 and Pineapple Head's 3/39...Bourn is rumors to be looking at $80m.

I'm now fully in the get Hamilton camp. I'd rather overspend on him with the chance he's a run producing machine.

[PhillyPhreak54]

Wilton Lopez ended up going to the Rockies.

[Don Ho]

how bad are they gonna be this year

jesus christ

This.  I'm starting early this season.

[SD]

RAJ and Uncle Cholly both said the starting 3 of Hamels/Halladay/Lee will be back because they're the back bone of the club.

Halladay is toast. He said he's changing his approach but you can't switch it up enough to mask a sub 90's fastball, it just doesn't happen that way.

[ice grillin you]

they just dont get it...it has to be broken down and rebuilt...best case (and very unlikely) scenario is they get a wild card and go out early...worst case is they give some stupid deal to that god worshipping crackhead or bourne and miss the playoffs for the next five years

i wouldnt even mind if they just stood pat and let these deals run out over the next three four years...fine dont blow it up...dont trade lee..ect...but dont add stupid contracts and players

[SunMo]

if you're not going to try and build a winner around your staff what's the point in having them.  trade them for cheap upcoming players.

you either go all in, or you go all out

[ice grillin you]

im all out....but id rather do nothing than give bourne or hamilton a billion dollars

they arent winning anything no matter what they do...so while i wish theyd rebuild id rather stand pat than make it worse thinking you can win

even if they add a big free agent they still need to have a million things go right to win a world series and if those million things happen they probably would win it anyway...add a veteran bullpen arm if you think it can help...add a solid middle of the road centerfielder and then go with what you have and hope everything falls into place and you have career and comeback years all over the roster

[SunMo]

even if you think Halladay isn't going to return to form, isn't he good enough to be a #3?  Hamels, Lee, Halladay, Worley, ?? is still a decent rotation assuming clifton isn't awful again.

I put Ruf in left, Dom in right, get a CF and a 3b and see what happens.  unless you want to try a Frandsen/Galvis platoon at 3rd and just get a CF, but they can't go into next year with Mayberry as their CF

[ice grillin you]

yeah thats exactly what im saying...im fine with adding a piece here or there and then crossing your fingers

i just dont want them going over the top and giving a huge lengthy FA deal to someone in their 30's

[SunMo]

yeah, i'm ok with that.  as much as i want hamilton it probably isn't going to work.


and btw, there is nothing wrong with being a decent team who has the possibility to get hot at the end of the year, see every WS champ in the past 5 years

[SD]

yeah, i'm ok with that.  as much as i want hamilton it probably isn't going to work.


and btw, there is nothing wrong with being a decent team who has the possibility to get hot at the end of the year, see every WS champ in the past 5 years

This is my hope as well. That they can add a few pieces and get hot and make a run. The best team on paper doesn't win in the post seaosn it's the team that gets hot at the right time. Solid pitching and timely hitting. With the Phils they definitely played better the second half of the season, they put that type of effort in for the full season and they easily make the WC.

[MDS]

their bullpen and rotation isnt remotely close to as good as the giants is

i would have blown this up after the 2011 choke but fine, so as long as they dont give out a stupid contract to that crackhead or that midget lefty who is 30 and whose only value is speed, try and win with your lineup of over the hill vets, your mediocre bullpen and your rotation that is a shell of its former self.

see how far that gets you. when youre 10 games under .500 in july do me a favor trade everyone. k thx by.

[MDS]

[Rome]

I always thought it was funny that RAJ used the Braves model of building a team by focusing on a dominating starting staff (and more to the point using up most of the payroll to do it) considering the Braves only won one WFC.

They need offense in the worst way and they need three guys to get to Papsmear.  They're out there but the question is are Monty and his bankers ready to pull the trigger to get them over the hump or not?