Phillies Offseason Thread 12-13

[PhillyPhreak54]

27 hits?? Jesus farg

[MDS]

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/9015864/jonah-keri-why-philadelphia-phillies-need-retool-their-roster

homers put your heads in the sand. facts comin atchya!

[ice grillin you]

article is a year to late.....not to say this years trade deadline shouldnt be a fire sale but the amount of players you can move and the bounty you get back for them is much less than last year

last summer it should have been blown up

[MDS]

you wont get an argument from me on that

the person i worry about is halladone. hes so fickle and close minded. he might refuse to waive his ntc because itll be a distraction or whatever. out of all them hes the one they have the best chance to get something for. hes get a semi decent chance of being a top line pitcher and they can easily get a boatload for him.

the most interesting part of the piece, to me, was the justifiable attack on manuel for how he handled hof brown. granted to a certain extent he was right...they had to win now and at that point brown was a liability. but if youll remember pat burrell took 3 years to hit above .270 and followed with a year where he barely cleared the mendoza line.

not everyone in trout or albert pujols. you have to have patience with young players, especially ones you invested so much in. the phillies did not do that with brown, not by a long shot, and in the mean time have destroyed his market value and perhaps his confidence.

[ice grillin you]

you answered your own question

i agree he should have seen everyday at bats to determine if hes a fraud or not...but they (stupidly) thought they could win last year and if that was their thinking then you couldnt put him in the lineup as he wasnt ready

the hardest thing in sports is to admit youre are done...for the phillies it was that much harder because they had a super expensive all IN roster....but what seperates the great front offices from the average ones is knowing when to fold em

[MDS]

i was thinking more along the lines of 10 and 11 when he got a couple of looks. 10 maybe he wasnt quite ready.

11 he could have played every day and they would have won the nl east by the same margin. 12 was an abomination. why he was playing in lehigh when laynce nix and john mayberry were getting at bats is beyond explanation.

now they have someone who has yet to have a full ML season is already 25 and will be 26 in september. jason heyward is 23. mike trout is 21. justin upton is 25. this will all end well.

[ice grillin you]

if he was good enough he would have made the decision for them....hes 25 and hasnt done shtein because hes not that good

[ice grillin you]

on top of that 10 especially but even 11 was ridiculous for him to get real time...they had legit world series contender teams then...he had no business playing because of the team and because he was horrible

[MDS]

definitely a possibility

he did nothing in his various callups to make you think anything of him. but jettisoning him from aaa to mlb and putting things in his head pre-2011 that he was untouchable wasnt good. they traded everyone from the farm system but him. everyone. then he cant do anything to earn consistent playing time. manuel hates him. the fans are on him. its not the best environment for success.

[ice grillin you]

it defnitely wasnt the ideal enviroment in that he was a young buck trying to crack a team who expected to win the world series

but again if he was a true young stud like the other players ou mentioned he would have played himself into the lineup over someone like an ibanez....there were def people in the lineup he could have run off...

[MDS]

no doubt, but its not always and immediate thing in baseball

they needed to leave him alone and let him hit .230 if he was going to hit .230. but manuel is a stubborn impatient old fart who thought they were going to win the world series last year

[ice grillin you]

their offense was bad enough...they def couldnt afford a clueless young kid in the lineup to makes things even worse

[Sgt PSN]

but what seperates the great front offices from the average ones is knowing when to fold em

Kenny Rogers for GM?

[BigEd76]

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[SunMo]

92 wins this year.  suck my meatcicle