announcers for the game have been released
stockton lynch and jennifer hale
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Eagles 34
Browns 17
unless they turn the ball over a few times in their own territory no way the browns put up 17
this should be a lot to a real little
The line right now is Eagles -8.
joe haden is apparently going to be suspended for the game and will be replaced by dimitri patterson
no map yet for if youre not in philly or cleveland get your ass to a bar or get the ticket
yep, still awaiting map. Feeling like a 6:30 AM trip to the bar Sunday.
http://the506.com/nflmaps/2012/wk1.html
No map but it says we're getting Stockton/Lynch. Oh joy.
maps dont come out until wednesdays
that's what I thought but CBS map is already out.
Wasn't really listening/paying attention but I think someone on ESPN mentioned that the NFL is using their "best" replacement refs for the primetime and national games, and that games like the Eagles/Browns are going to get the worst ones.
Awesome.
http://www.the506.com/nflmaps/2012/wk1.html
Anderson, Cooper are out (Les Bowen made a CNN joke and everything).
is it that difficult for the nfl to farging announce a decision on this...so annoying
QuoteBrowns cornerback Joe Haden was on the practice field today, meaning that he's most likely not suspended for Sunday's opener against the Eagles.
NFL spokesman Greg Aiello said today in an email that if a player is practicing on Wednesday, he's generally available for this week.
"But there is no specific timetable requirement,'' he wrote. "Each case is unique.''
Here are the prop bets for the game:
Eagles vs Browns - Will Either Team Score in the First 7 Minutes of the Game
Yes -135
No +105
Eagles - Total Points
Over 25 -115
Under 25 -115
Browns- Total Points
Over 16.5 -115
Under 16.5 -115
Team to score first
Eagles -180
Browns +150
First Score of the game will be
Touchdown -150
Any other score +120
Longest Touchdown of the Game
Over 41.5 yds -115
Under 41.5 yds -115
Longest Made Field Goal of the Game
Over 43.5 yds -115
Under 43.5 yds -115
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 05, 2012, 02:26:20 PM
is it that difficult for the nfl to farging announce a decision on this...so annoying
QuoteBrowns cornerback Joe Haden was on the practice field today, meaning that he's most likely not suspended for Sunday's opener against the Eagles.
NFL spokesman Greg Aiello said today in an email that if a player is practicing on Wednesday, he's generally available for this week.
"But there is no specific timetable requirement,'' he wrote. "Each case is unique.''
Shouldn't really matter. Rookie QB with an injured rookie RB. No WR or TE that I think can hurt the Eagles. Average defense without their shut-down corner. Eagles 31 Browns 17
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 05, 2012, 12:41:23 PM
http://www.the506.com/nflmaps/2012/wk1.html
Well farg us! Great, zesty sports bar coffee.
Quote from: phillycrew on September 05, 2012, 03:20:18 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 05, 2012, 02:26:20 PM
is it that difficult for the nfl to farging announce a decision on this...so annoying
QuoteBrowns cornerback Joe Haden was on the practice field today, meaning that he's most likely not suspended for Sunday's opener against the Eagles.
NFL spokesman Greg Aiello said today in an email that if a player is practicing on Wednesday, he's generally available for this week.
"But there is no specific timetable requirement,'' he wrote. "Each case is unique.''
Shouldn't really matter. Rookie QB with an injured rookie RB. No WR or TE that I think can hurt the Eagles. Average defense without their shut-down corner. Eagles 31 Browns 17
its more annoying than that it matters....but it does matter as far as the prediction thread....if dimitri patterson starts its probably worth and extra 10-17 pts for the eagles
Quote from: Don Ho on September 05, 2012, 06:08:47 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 05, 2012, 12:41:23 PM
http://www.the506.com/nflmaps/2012/wk1.html
Well farg us! Great, zesty sports bar coffee.
The beer is always good at The Shack
HA! That's right. We can get shtein faced and skateboard home!
this is a HUGE development...
QuoteWhen Reid was asked if Brown or Dion Lewis is the No. 2 running back, he said, "we'll see." Brown said he's been taking more reps this week than he has at any point, so the rookie seventh-round pick is likely in the rotation.
If his pass pro is even somewhat adequate, he is easily the best option.
Is anyone really surprised by this? No one has ever doubted Brown's talent. It's the wedge of olive loaf between his ears that's the concern.
mmm olive loaf
Brown should be the obvious nod as the #2 back. Lewis is more of a change of pace guy. I wish Brown had a quicker second gear but that could develop as the game slows down for him a bit.
Quote from: SD on September 08, 2012, 08:38:10 AM
Brown should be the obvious nod as the #2 back. Lewis is more of a change of pace guy. I wish Brown had a quicker second gear but that could develop as the game slows down for him a bit.
i think brown has really nice secondary level burst.....imo polk is the one that doesnt have a second gear....its really what seperates the two
I knew I was going to have to explain this further: when Brown has daylight he's fine...it's just he can't make a cut then hit that second gear. Now we're spoiled because shady is the best in the league at that but If Brown is ever going to be effective the game is going to have to slow down for him a bit. A great rb either had quick moves or great vision...the truly gifted ones have both. He has neither at this time. He's not as good as Buckhalter who was really underrated but he's better than Eldra Buckley. The skill set is there now he just has to develop.
probably best to wait until he plays a snap in the nfl before comparing him to anyone else much less all pros and guys who had ten year careers in the league....
all im saying is hes a 4.35-4.45 guy....he has a really good second gear in general and a great one for his size
jesus christ here we go again....the last thing juan needs to worry about is constantly shuffling in a 100 different lb packages....shtein he has trouble game planning during the week
QuoteAndy Reid confirmed Friday that he will use all of his linebackers, shuffling them in and out depending on the package, when the Eagles open the season Sunday at Cleveland.
Since the Eagles traded for DeMeco Ryans in March up until, really, Friday, Reid has said that Ryans is a three-down player. Now he isn't.
"I've been very happy with DeMeco," Reid said. "I'm just giving everybody an opportunity. The one thing we've got is experience with play time at positions there. Everybody's going to have an opportunity to get in and do their thing."
Ryans, rookie Mychal Kendricks, and Akeem Jordan are the starters in the base defense. Depending on the Browns' offensive alignment, any one of six - Jamar Chaney, Brian Rolle, and Casey Matthews are the other three - could be on the field in the Eagles' nickel (two linebackers) or dime (one) defenses.
"We had success with it toward the end of last year," Reid said. "Guys know their role. They can focus on it. They're all interchangeable, which is a good thing."
No shtein. Stick with the goddamn base D three and then use your nickel guys...like a real goddamn NFL defense
pinche andy
dejar juan entrenador vato
I for one think the Wildcat Defense will revolutionize the NFL.
Pretty sure everyone except phreak can see the writing on the wall with Ryan's. I was listening to Ray Diddy this morning and he said he watched Ryan's close at camp and came away unimpressed.
Didinger's been wrong before.
What have you seen in the preseason to make you think otherwise? There was a rumor floating around that the texans were planning on releasing Ryan's. I don't care how long he's been in the league you can either play or you can't. That they're only using him on first and second downs is an acknowledgement he's lost a step.
im def still IN on meeko...pre injury he was a great linebacker...
its still to soon to see how he will be post injury but if hes not effective its more likely because juanny is a complete dumbass...hiring him as DC will go down as one of the worst decisions in nfl history
Quote from: SD on September 08, 2012, 03:01:24 PM
What have you seen in the preseason to make you think otherwise? There was a rumor floating around that the texans were planning on releasing Ryan's. I don't care how long he's been in the league you can either play or you can't. That they're only using him on first and second downs is an acknowledgement he's lost a step.
They probably were going to release him - but not for diminished skills. Like I said last time when we talked about this, when HOU switched to the 3-4 he was phased out. If they were still in the 4-3 he would still be a Texan, and that's straight from the GM's mouth.
I don't judge much from PS especially when the guy is new to a scheme combined with plain Jane playcalling and the DC being a halftard
he was asked the other day what he thought about not being on the field all the time
and he said the right thing - that he goes in the game when juanny asks him too - but you could tell he wasnt happy
i dont know how any player on the entire defense can take seriously anything juanny says much less have to take direction from him
its a joke
Yeah the farging Castillo Circus needs to packs its shtein and take the next thing smoking outta town
the gruden qb camp special with weedon was on this morning....dook looked so jovial and relaxed kickin with jon....today he is curled up in fetal position crying for his momma....i almost felt bad for him when i was watching it
I liked how his college signal calling consisted of looking at Justin Blackmon.
dion lewis - OUT
Demetress Bell - inactive; Dennis Kelly is the backup LT
Riley Cooper
David Sims
Dion Lewis
Colt Anderson
Nate Menkin
Vinny Curry
fujita - OUT
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 09, 2012, 11:42:35 AM
Demetress Bell - inactive; Dennis Kelly is the backup LT
lol...what a bum he turned out to be.
I know they have Tapp/Graham as the backup DE's but I hope Curry gets some good pt this season.
with babin just coming back and cox banged up im suprised they didnt activate curry and go with one less LB
Brown and Polk both dressed? Igy drools.
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 09, 2012, 11:46:53 AM
with babin just coming back and cox banged up im suprised they didnt activate curry and go with one less LB
One less LB? shtein man - you know Juanny needs them all. ROTATION!
PACKAGES!!
shady on double B..
Quote"He reminds me of Bo Jackson the way he runs," :o "Seriously. He's a big kid, he's very fast, he's big and strong, more of a straight-line runner. We need that. We need that kind of speed and vision."
lol nice first play
Dynasty!
Best catch ever.
Good job, Maclin
Yay penalties
Cut McCoy.
Shady...come on man.
Dammit, Shady...
Time for the Bryce Brown era.
he went like 400 carries with one fumble and now coughs it up on the first one
Babin never plays the run!
Weeden is older than Trent Edwards.
Quote from: Munson on September 09, 2012, 01:12:16 PM
Babin never plays the run!
Nnamdi never plays the pass.
Ugh... Let's farging go iceholes.
Biggest stunner so far in Week 1 is that Geico didn't retire those awful Orakpo commercials.
oh my god with this sloppy shtein
This is the best start.
WE WANT FOLES!
3rd and 1? Throw that shtein. 1st and 20? Pound it out!
Holy shtein what a catch by Avant there
Nice hands to the face Juqua
So the replacement refs ignore the penalties on Vick just as much as the regular refs do.
Throwing the ball away is for Hoydas.
Times done changed...
Nowadays Vick out in space vs a DE...
Sack out of bounds.
These penalties are getting ridiculous
I've seen no evidence that the Browns defense can stop the Eagles offense. I have seen evidence that the Eagles are capable of stopping themselves.
So we're gonna have another penalty fest i see...
god farging DAMMIT
farg
WTF was that?
A nice throw by Favre there. :yay
why?
Oy Vick...that's Atlanta Vick right there...
Super Bowl?
This certainly looks like a Super Bowl caliber team. They look exactly like they did in the preseason...like shtein
to throw across his body is just ridiculous
Trade for RGIII?
yellow yellow yellow yellow yellow yellow yellow yellow yellow
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 09, 2012, 01:27:55 PM
These penalties are getting ridiculous
and now they call penalties 7 minutes later
I'm going to choke this farging refs
I just saw a good tackle by a linebacker in an Eagles uniform. :o
Wait, who the hell has been calling Ryans a bust?
Or are these announcers just making shtein up?
They've been reading CF obviously
Quote from: Hawk on September 09, 2012, 01:35:10 PM
Wait, who the hell has been calling Ryans a bust?
Or are these announcers just making shtein up?
There's been a groundswell amongst some fans and media that Ryans is washed up and didn't show anything in the PS
Shady knocked the shtein outta Scrappy...
get the dead Brown off the field
Sheldon Brown
1979 - 2012
Quote from: Feva on September 09, 2012, 01:38:37 PM
Shady knocked the shtein outta Scrappy...
I hope he's ok, but... THAT WAS fargING AWESOME
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 09, 2012, 01:36:20 PM
Quote from: Hawk on September 09, 2012, 01:35:10 PM
Wait, who the hell has been calling Ryans a bust?
Or are these announcers just making shtein up?
There's been a groundswell amongst some fans and media that Ryans is washed up and didn't show anything in the PS
So the same group that was calling for Fowles over Vick...
There we go Desean!
"You bring in Clay Harbor to help him out." As they show Harbor blocking the guy by himself. Good job, Dunlap!
Gotta say, Pimp is looking happy and paid so far...
and on the pass to Pimp he took a shot too
He threw it away... THANK YOU!!!!!!
Dunlap is atrocious
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 09, 2012, 01:42:23 PM
and on the pass to Pimp he took a shot too
every play pretty much
This is the worst offensive line ever.
I know he set some accuracy record last year... but I just can't get confident in Henery yet.
Used to be the Eagles crossed the 30 and I would think, "well there's at least 3!"
This game shouldn't even be close. The Browns are awful.
Quote from: Hawk on September 09, 2012, 01:47:46 PM
This game shouldn't even be close. The Browns are awful.
The Eagles are playing awful.
Quote from: General_Failure on September 09, 2012, 01:48:28 PM
Quote from: Hawk on September 09, 2012, 01:47:46 PM
This game shouldn't even be close. The Browns are awful.
The Eagles are playing awful.
Well I can't say I'm surprised by turnovers, no protection, and Vick rolling out right into his pursuers.
Jesus...
.........
figures...standing around watching this clown run down the field
Can we just burn Juan Castillo at the stake now?
Quote from: Geowhizzer on September 09, 2012, 01:51:52 PM
Can we just burn Juan Castillo at the stake now?
No. You will suffer and you will like it.
Nice.
Alright, I can't wait to see how they turn this into a safety.
HOF Coleman!
Lucky as lucky gets.
Great Maclin hurt
You know what would help protection and loosen up the pas rush?
RUNNING THE BALL
Groin pull. 2-4 weeks.
i am about to get angry drunk
Maclin's back in and down again...
Now Maclin is REALLY hurt.
lololol Maclin again hurt
RUN THE MOTHERfargING BALL YOU SONOFABITCH
Maclin decided he's going to take all the beatings today.
So far so bad. What in the hell was that?
Gotta love the 4 yard pattern on 3rd and 5...
Hopefully that's just a wind knocked out scenario. Ouch
That was a pretty good punt.
Kurt Coleman... may he rest in peace.
Quote from: Feva on September 09, 2012, 01:58:05 PM
Gotta love the 4 yard pattern on 3rd and 5...
The Andy Special
with a side no running
lololol Richardson just SMOKED COleman
Browns fans haven't cheered that hard in decades.
Nice, Meco
That washed up bum Ryans made another nice play
I'll give Ryan's credit he looks great. The oline is all time bad
This game should be called The Anatomy of an Upset.
I want a Coleman bobblehead
This offensive line is worse than the Holocaust, 9/11 and Ryan Leaf combined.
Holding? Give me a break.
At least Maclin was back out there
Both teams suck. So should the refs.
Prolific offense?
Ryans again...
just keep ballin on d...
need a strip sack and a short field
Nice pick. Stupid mohawk.
DRC!!
DRC!!
DRC! The Pink Panther!
Would Asante have jumped that route and been burned for a td?
This protection is just ridiculous
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 09, 2012, 02:02:38 PM
That washed up bum Ryans made another nice play
Dude said "farg your preseason' I'll show up week 1"
The answer to a pass rush you can't block? The 17 step drop.
Gotta love a good old shtein fest.
Hey look! MORE GODDAMN PENALTIES!
Andy - control your bumbling idiot team
Since the oline is so bad how bout trying to run the ball and using shorter passing routes to get some rythym
So the worst team in the NFL has devised the latest, greatest defensive scheme to stop Vick. Just lovely.
The genius scheme is called rush 4, watch o-line self destruct.
Do the Browns have any penalties today? Any holds?
Browns fans booing? Save that for us.
STOP fargING HOLDING
OH MY GOD! MACLIN GOT CALLED ON THAT?!?!?!?!?
HIS HANDS WERE IN THE AIR@
Anytime McCoy has made a good run, the refs have thrown a flag.
Holy shtein.
Lol @ that holding call and then vick not getting the snap off.
SNAP THE MUTHERfargING BALL YOU fargING IDIOTS!!!!
The refs are bad. The Eagles are playing to their level.
Where did the get today's refs from? Local Police League youth flag football?
Quote from: Hawk on September 09, 2012, 02:23:23 PM
Anytime McCoy has made a good run, the refs have thrown a flag.
Word. Shady has to have a good 50 yards or so called back on farging holding calls...
This is one of the ugliest games I have ever seen. This O-Line against the Giants is going to be something to watch.
Any holding on that run you sons of bitches?
Andy, this just in:
RUN THE fargING BALL!!!
That is all.
That's an amazing stat on McCoy. They should definitely air it out more.
Shady - 6 carries for 56 yards.
Yet, they're trying to throw the ball all over the damn place...
All three timeouts left! Do it Andy, do it.
23 attempts in the first half? This game is awesome.
Shady runs for 22 yds?
Naturally, you throw 3 incompletions so you can go get some gatorade...
Fire Reid! Bring in Rick Tocchet!
Oline sucks. Vick sucks. Refs suck
Best play all day, Pimp calling out the refs.
Why was I so excited about the beginning of NFL season again?
I think I need to up my blood pressure meds again.
Thank God fantasy football was invented... to distract from this garbage.
Quote from: methdeez on September 09, 2012, 02:32:06 PM
Why was I so excited about the beginning of NFL season again?
There will be a few prime time games that have two teams you don't give a shtein about playing an amazing game, and you'll get to enjoy it. Maybe.
Quote from: methdeez on September 09, 2012, 02:32:06 PM
Why was I so excited about the beginning of NFL season again?
I was in such deep sleep at 6:30 this morning. It's only 8:30 here so I might go back to bed, wake up and this abortion will have just been a bad dream.
Vick is awful. So awful.
This Vick passing circus is a goddamned JOKE
GO DOWN THE FIELD...STOP WITH THESE BULLshtein THROWS
God. Just run out the clock on this damn half already.
What are we trying to accomplish here?
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 09, 2012, 02:36:40 PM
This Vick passing circus is a goddamned JOKE
GO DOWN THE FIELD...STOP WITH THESE BULLshtein THROWS
LIKE I SAID.
Me for OC
Nice throw for once...
Quote from: methdeez on September 09, 2012, 02:36:51 PM
God. Just run out the clock on this damn half already.
What are we trying to accomplish here?
A blocked field goal returned for a touchdown. Lurie invested in beer and liquor this offseason.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 09, 2012, 02:37:25 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 09, 2012, 02:36:40 PM
This Vick passing circus is a goddamned JOKE
GO DOWN THE FIELD...STOP WITH THESE BULLshtein THROWS
LIKE I SAID.
Me for OC
Option to Trotter!
Last timeout used...
:23 seconds left
Why do I feel they are going to farg this up?
Take a sack?
Fumble?
Pick?
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
Yay.
There we go!!!!!!
Never has a 7 point lead felt so much like a loss.
28 passes for Vick in the first half. Twenty. Eight.
Quote from: General_Failure on September 09, 2012, 02:40:58 PM
28 passes for Vick in the first half. Twenty. Eight.
Makes perfect sense for a guy who had 12 total preseason snaps....
Maclin for President
First order of business, repeal AndyReidPlayookCare
Quote from: Munson on September 09, 2012, 02:43:21 PM
Maclin for President
First order of business, repeal AndyReidPlayookCare
Restore the franchise!
Quote from: General_Failure on September 09, 2012, 02:40:58 PM
28 passes for Vick in the first half. Twenty. Eight.
Andy is mad because he wanted 32
Take Our Running Game Back!
We Ran That!
Quote from: Munson on September 09, 2012, 02:45:22 PM
Take Our Running Game Back!
We Ran That!
I'm changing my affiliation to Whipertarian. Koy Detmer 2012. He'll put us back on the Gold Standard. :yay
Quote from: General_Failure on September 09, 2012, 02:46:59 PM
Quote from: Munson on September 09, 2012, 02:45:22 PM
Take Our Running Game Back!
We Ran That!
I'm changing my affiliation to Whipertarian. Koy Detmer 2012. He'll put us back on the Gold Standard. :yay
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http://koydetmer.tripod.com/
Quote from: methdeez on September 09, 2012, 02:37:54 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 09, 2012, 02:37:25 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 09, 2012, 02:36:40 PM
This Vick passing circus is a goddamned JOKE
GO DOWN THE FIELD...STOP WITH THESE BULLshtein THROWS
LIKE I SAID.
Me for OC
Option to Trotter!
Yes! He'll run like a BOSS!
And you'll hear the bone on bone in his knees clicking all the way down the field
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 09, 2012, 02:50:48 PM
Quote from: methdeez on September 09, 2012, 02:37:54 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 09, 2012, 02:37:25 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 09, 2012, 02:36:40 PM
This Vick passing circus is a goddamned JOKE
GO DOWN THE FIELD...STOP WITH THESE BULLshtein THROWS
LIKE I SAID.
Me for OC
Option to Trotter!
Yes! He'll run like a BOSS!
And you'll hear the bone on bone in his knees clicking all the way down the field
Every running play will end ten yards down field.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on September 09, 2012, 02:30:18 PM
Fire Reid! Bring in Rick Tocchet!
lol. But this is exactly what tochett wants, Browns to cover
Meanwhile, RGIII looks like the man.
Eagles might have the worst QB in the division starting next year.
The best camera work.
Nice play by Boykin...
Quote from: General_Failure on September 09, 2012, 03:00:46 PM
The best camera work.
Their union is on strike too. Scab cameramen
Field the punt, see an open field to your left, dance right. Genius.
Good play by Boykin.
LOOK MA! MORE FLAGS!
Throw until Vick's arm falls off! :crazy
LOOK MA! MORE PASSING!
Run th eball
Maybe Mike should try throwing RH?
This game should be making me mad but it's really just making me sleepy.
Farg this offensive line. Farg Mudd. Farg Andy.
Time for Wost Manneans to get his holding call and that'll be the whole line!
Every OL has been called for holding except for Herremans.
Feva >>>>>>> Phreak
Wost Manneans, best Manneans!
DRC came to play, at least...
DRC having a nice game.
DRC, saving this game all by himself.
Another goddamn penalty.
Feva >>>>>> Sarge
Ha! Even on the good plays, there are penalties... :boom
Get good field position...get a penalty.
And thanks fox for showing the call
Offense in 3rd and long again
Vick is an idiot.
Throwing across his body again into the middle of the field... :boom
Oh yeah, leave this spot in the hands of these fargtards.
Quote from: Feva on September 09, 2012, 03:13:32 PM
Throwing across his body again into the middle of the field... :boom
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_SWM3g4dowy0/SozrtMvaZmI/AAAAAAAAAc0/ymegNEywZrM/s400/SmugFarveVike.jpg)
Hahah ... I was sure it was a holding call
Wow...gift spot.
Refs suck in our favor
Jesus farging Christ.
farg you icehole
Foles starts by week 6? Vick looks hideous.
Don't even know what to say...
Vick is farging horrible. I wasn't on the start Foles bandwagon but I'm starting to lean that way.
Everyone loves the Circus.
6 turnovers today. Good lord. This is what it is like to be a Browns fan I guess. zesty, zesty games, where you pull out a few of them.
I'd have to agree with the earlier post.... we have the worst qb in the division and it's not even a question.
DRC's gonna have to return one himself to put this game away.
That is a rookie mistake by Vick....unacceotable
Time to hope foles can play. Vick keeps getting worse.
How many games of this until Reid hits the panic button?
farg this...
Awful call!!!!!
Quote from: PhillyPhanInDC on September 09, 2012, 03:21:26 PM
How many games of this until Reid hits the panic button?
He's calling as many passing plays as he can, how much more panic do you want?
Vick playing Santa Claus to the Brown's DBs... basticho on the mound for the Phils... what a farging terrible day this is turning out to be.
Quote from: Hawk on September 09, 2012, 03:20:12 PM
I'd have to agree with the earlier post.... we have the worst qb in the division and it's not even a question.
I've got the taterskins game on the big screen and this RG3 cat is the real deal. No doubt Vick blows and has already been surpassed by the rookie.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on September 09, 2012, 03:23:02 PM
Vick playing Santa Claus to the Brown's DBs... basticho on the mound for the Phils... what a farging terrible day this is turning out to be.
I was just going to turn the bums game on Thanks for the heads up.
Are we allowed to bitch about the calls yet?
LMK
What's great is all of Reid's former assistants are showing, with an average defense, how to confuse, frustrate, and shut down Vick. If Clevland had half an offense, the Eagles would be loosing by two scores. Should be a fun year.
Quote from: PhillyPhanInDC on September 09, 2012, 03:27:30 PM
What's great is all of Reid's former assistants are showing, with an average defense, how to confuse, frustrate, and shut down Vick. If Clevland had half an offense, the Eagles would be loosing by two scores. Should be a fun year.
Next week is going to be so much fun.
I can't wait for the fourth quarter loss.
Another cross body throw to the middle of the field for a MASSIVE 2 yards. Super Bowl, baby!
If he throws across his body one more time I am going to lose my shtein
Tired of watching vick 1 wk into the year.
DRC is the first star of the game, Chas Henry is the second
Browns players not satisfied with the number of calls against the Eagles and demand flags on every play.
Eagles - 10 penalties 100yds
Browns - 2 penalties 10yds
I want everyone to die.
Quote from: General_Failure on September 09, 2012, 03:30:45 PM
Another cross body throw to the middle of the field for a MASSIVE 2 yards. Super Bowl, baby!
(http://blogs.houstonpress.com/hairballs/tydbowl.JPG)
13 runs
42 passes
Viva la Andy!
No intentional grounding? No? Okay.
Grounding! Wtf these refs blow
That did not touch him.
Better cool off these smoking hot offenses with a challenge time out.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 09, 2012, 03:37:05 PM
That did not touch him.
Nope. Thanks for burning the timeout...
what the hell are these fans cheering about? It didn't even get close to touching him
Seems like a wasted time out, but the way this game has gone...
Will Vick get to 40 attempts this drive? No, he's only at 36.
BTW, Don, basticho and Aumont survived their inning. Now it's Papelbon's turn to blow it.
farg you Tom Selleck. Bout time.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on September 09, 2012, 03:40:58 PM
BTW, Don, basticho and Aumont survived their inning. Now it's Papelbon's turn to blow it.
What could be worse than watching Vick throw across his body? Papsmear.
What a pile of steaming shtein this team is...
HOLY shtein THIS IS AWFUL!
Speechless. I've run out of anger.
I'm not even mad. I'm looking forward to a new head coach next year.
Head Coach Juan Castillo.
Same shtein different year.
Quote from: General_Failure on September 09, 2012, 03:44:31 PM
I'm not even mad. I'm looking forward to a new head coach next year.
Head Coach Juan Castillo.
You know it will happen.
farg these coaches and farg these refs
lol at these penalties
Undisciplined group of farging iceholes
:-D :-D
DeMeco showed up. And DRC
Andy needs to eat a ref. Just swallow him whole. And chase it down with a Vick Hoagie.
Can I change my season prediction from 9-7 to 6-10?
Can't really put these scores on the defense, Vick has been gifting them turnovers all day.
Quote from: SD on September 09, 2012, 03:47:41 PM
Can I change my season prediction from 9-7 to 6-10?
0-17. BUT THINK OF THE CAP SPACE! :crazy
Barkley watch begins.....
Not even DRC can stop this train wreck.
Going to be pissed if Vick comes out for this series.
Looks a lot like a typical eagles opener.
Quote from: PhillyPhanInDC on September 09, 2012, 03:51:38 PM
Going to be pissed if Vick comes out for this series.
Stop needing reasons and just be pissed. Then drunk.
Quote from: Don Ho on September 09, 2012, 03:42:53 PM
Quote from: Geowhizzer on September 09, 2012, 03:40:58 PM
BTW, Don, basticho and Aumont survived their inning. Now it's Papelbon's turn to blow it.
What could be worse than watching Vick throw across his body? Papsmear.
Wigginton at the plate, 2 outs, bases loaded.
At least it wasn't holding...
I hate Michael Vick...
Put Foles in
At least when McNabb was this bad it was against good teams.
Go Rams! Get Fisher!
Ha. They just lost to the Browns.
The Browns.
He's literally given them all of their points...
Everyone needs to go.
My god.
I mean really?! Motherfargig really?!?
farg you and your pass happy shtein with a QB who is throwing like shtein
Quote from: Hawk on September 09, 2012, 03:55:44 PM
He's literally given them all of their points...
Hey shady gave them 3.
Good lord. I'm already past the anger point and onto "loss for words"...I don't think that's happened in week 1 for me before
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 09, 2012, 03:56:36 PM
My god.
I mean really?! Motherfargig really?!?
farg you and your pass happy shtein with a QB who is throwing like shtein
He just needs to pass his way out of a funk. It always worked with McNabb, right?
DYNASTY!
He must have meant the local Chinese eatery, The Dynasty restaurant.
One of the best farging running back in the league, with a quarterback that is playing like shtein, and what does Reid do? Keep chucking, big boy.
Hasn't learned a damn thing in 15 years. I'd rather HAVE Castillo as the head coach at this point.
I'm glad I didn't take any Eagles in fantasy. Between Vick and Andy Reid, their talent will be negated.
Quote from: Don Ho on September 09, 2012, 03:57:54 PM
DYNASTY!
He must have meant the local Chinese eatery, The Dynasty restaurant.
Well now we know who was supplying them meat. Dammit, Vick!
Blow
Up
Now
Quote from: Rome on September 09, 2012, 03:56:22 PM
Everyone needs to go.
I think this team could do it with a hard nosed disciplinarian type coach. There seems to be a sense of entitlement with these clowns, like they feel their talent alone will net them rings.
Imagine that. A successful run
Woah, the best running back in the league is able to run the ball well?
Oh, NOW... you wanna give Shady the ball!! farg you Andy...
They can't stop four consecutive rushes when they know they're coming. Better air that shtein out!
Now you decide to run the ball you fat piece of shtein
I heart McCoy.
The worst part of this game will actually be that the Eagles pull it out, and Andy takes this as confirmation that everything is OK.
16 rushes, 95 yards. THROW MORE!
They keep four rbs on the roster and I am pretty sure a back other than McCoy got a carry for the first time in the 4th quarter.
Quote from: PhillyPhanInDC on September 09, 2012, 04:04:22 PM
They keep four rbs on the roster and I am pretty sure a back other than McCoy got a carry for the first time in the 4th quarter.
Jackson is credited with a 5 yard run. That totally counts.
And he misses.... farg this team
Even Henerey sucks today.
Perfect.
Quote from: Feva on September 09, 2012, 01:47:40 PM
I know he set some accuracy record last year... but I just can't get confident in Henery yet.
Used to be the Eagles crossed the 30 and I would think, "well there's at least 3!"
:boom
farg my life times infinity.
So much for my prediction about Henery. He may not make any over 40.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on September 09, 2012, 04:07:35 PM
So much for my prediction about Henery. He may not make any over 40.
His one good kick was 42 yards.
Quote from: General_Failure on September 09, 2012, 04:08:48 PM
Quote from: Geowhizzer on September 09, 2012, 04:07:35 PM
So much for my prediction about Henery. He may not make any over 40.
His one good kick was 42 yards.
Take your facts and shove'em.
Foles! Foles! Foles!
Vick is awesome.
Once the ball is in the air, shoudln't it be PI and not holding?
Quote from: Munson on September 09, 2012, 04:17:28 PM
Once the ball is in the air, shoudln't it be PI and not holding?
Scabbers gonna scab.
Screen to Shady here?
Vick putting the game on his shoulders to clinch the loss.
The Eagles could get a better spot out of this right?
What the hell is he challenging? ball spot?
I hope they move the spot up and give the eagles the first down
Quote from: Munson on September 09, 2012, 04:23:11 PM
What the hell is he challenging? ball spot?
Welcome to the Andy Reid coaching tree.
Thanks for the 5 minutes to think about the 4th down. We will probably call all posts anyway.
Quote from: Munson on September 09, 2012, 04:23:11 PM
What the hell is he challenging? ball spot?
I hope they move the spot up and give the eagles the first down
If I was Shurmur i'd give it a shot and hope these horrible refs farg it up.
Will this game end before it hits four hours?
Does this game end in a pick or a fumble?
A knee.
Quote from: Hawk on September 09, 2012, 04:26:46 PM
Does this game end in a pick or a fumble?
Safety twelve minutes into overtime.
Ok, 1st and Goal at the 4.
Shady.
Shady.
Shady.
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Shady.
When Vick isn't pissing his pants in the pocket and actually makes it to his 3rd/4th read he puts together a good drive.
Exactly. NO PASSING!
ALL SHADY - FOUR fargING TIMES BEHIND HERREMANS
Quote from: Feva on September 09, 2012, 04:28:05 PM
Ok, 1st and Goal at the 4.
Shady.
Shady.
Shady.
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Shady.
You wish.
More like incomplete, incomplete, incomplete, fumble recovery CLE
Bryce Brown?!?
GIVE IT TO SHADY GOD DAMN YOU
Bryce Brown on the inside hand off withotu a lead blocker...they'll never see it coming!
holy farging shtein! REALLY?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!
Bryce Brown then almost throws a pick.
CLAY HARBOR.... WOOOOO!
3rd and goal, shift to an empty backfield. The fact that it worked is no excuse!
Wow.
lucky farging iceholes
Now just wait for the kickoff return for a TD.
They left too much time on the clock...
Fine. Let's get the farg out of here with a terrible farging win....
The sad part is, win or lose, this would have been one of the most disheartening wins/losses ever
I was hoping they'd lose because they don't deserve to win.
They have no business winning this game.
ah they still suck.
oh christ just when I give up on them
most contrarian goddamn team in all of sports
Quote from: Feva on September 09, 2012, 04:32:17 PM
Fine. Let's get the farg out of here with a terrible farging win....
Sneaking out of Cleveland with the win in some moving trucks.
Quote from: SD on September 09, 2012, 04:32:50 PM
I was hoping they'd lose because they don't deserve to win.
They're playing the Browns, who also don't deserve to win. Ever.
Boykin hurt...good call o cutting Joselio to save a buck, guys.
Weeden gonna lead them to a win
56 pass attempts today
Quote from: SD on September 09, 2012, 04:34:39 PM
56 pass attempts today
Andy is livid he couldn't get to 60.
We escaped with a win.
Thank you, Jesus. NOW let's get the farg out of here.
Quote from: SD on September 09, 2012, 04:34:39 PM
56 pass attempts today
I cannot wait for the press conf
COLEMAN!
Kurt Coleman woot
When do we start giving Kurt Coleman some respect?
Quote from: FastFreddie on September 09, 2012, 04:36:12 PM
When do we start giving Kurt Coleman some respect?
When he does something against anyone besides the Browns.
Coleman's a decent player who's underrated but he shouldn't be starting
Quote from: methdeez on September 09, 2012, 04:27:18 PM
A knee.
Methstradamus.
Also, I think I said something about them pulling it out and therefore learning nothing.
That will also happen.
Vick 56 pass attempts. Shady 19-20 rush attempts.
Game plan!
I'm still picking them to win next week. Because I'm a farging moron.
Was anyone else rooting for Vick to get injured? I definitely was
Quote from: SD on September 09, 2012, 04:42:02 PM
Was anyone else rooting for Vick to get injured? I definitely was
No, I was rooting for an Andy Reid heart attack. If you're going to be terrible, you might as well be terrible at the root of the problem.
I waited all goddamned offseason for this? I hate this farging team.
Quote from: General_Failure on September 09, 2012, 04:42:51 PM
Quote from: SD on September 09, 2012, 04:42:02 PM
Was anyone else rooting for Vick to get injured? I definitely was
No, I was rooting for an Andy Reid heart attack. If you're going to be terrible, you might as well be terrible at the root of the problem.
I root for that daily but since he looks like he's lost weight I've given up hope
5 turnovers
12 penalties
Shady McCoy lost 60yds on penalties
Quote from: General_Failure on September 09, 2012, 04:08:48 PM
Quote from: Geowhizzer on September 09, 2012, 04:07:35 PM
So much for my prediction about Henery. He may not make any over 40.
His one good kick was 42 yards.
Good, I'm still on target for being right, then!
Quote from: SD on September 09, 2012, 04:42:02 PM
Was anyone else rooting for Vick to get injured? I definitely was
You defiinitely were not the only one.
the one thing that needed to happen for a sb win this year was that vick was a real qb....he clearly is not....he is the biggest pos ive ever seen....take a god damn three step drop and get rid of it...its absolutely infuriating how long he holds onto the ball
the most dishearting thing about him tho is that he cant run an nfl offense AND he doesnt have explosiveness anymore....thus they are farged on every level with him
all that said they will beat the ravens....all week is is going to be a shtein show on wip and calls for foles....the expectations are going to be rock bottom going into next week but somehow that is the game they will win
yea no
worthless old slow vick vs. a semi decent defense and a semi decent offense = abortion city
andy will get his head out of his ass and run shady early
the offensive line came together by the end of todays game
ravens defense is incredibly overrated
birds win!
i feel so bad for shady and so bad for eagles fans in general
hes the best rb in the nfl and probably the best this awful franchise will ever have and his career is going to be wasted because of a fat moronic head coach, his mexican offensive line coach defensive coordinator and a pos midget turnover machine of a quarterback
farg this team
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 09, 2012, 05:24:39 PM
andy will get his head out of his ass and run shady early
the offensive line came together by the end of todays game
ravens defense is incredibly overrated
birds win!
I agree with all of this but they'll still lose. Like I said in the prediction thread Vick isn't making through next game. You're also no factoring the stupidity of this team. This is the exact same team as last season with a few new players.
Quote from: MDS on September 09, 2012, 05:29:57 PM
i feel so bad for shady and so bad for eagles fans in general
hes the best rb in the nfl and probably the best this awful franchise will ever have and his career is going to be wasted because of a fat moronic head coach, his mexican offensive line coach defensive coordinator and a pos midget turnover machine of a quarterback
farg this team
as much as i love shady....and hes literally on a par with the buddy era players for me....i hate michael vick that much
all of vicks quotes about how hard hes worked and how much hes studied and how he spent the off season in philly is all a big fat farging crock of shtein.....go away you pos
seriously he is not capable of not turning the ball over
they cant win like this because the defense sucks, the kicking game isnt good enough and the line is a joke but they ought to turn into a safe defense and running team.
feed shady...play field position...dont give away points...take your big play shots with pimp and hope that works
because throwing the ball 50 times a game cannot possibly work with vick
I figured they'd look bad as part of their opening day tradition...but not that bad. But really, it was mostly Vick and the receivers that solidified that crappy look.
Two things AR/MM should have learned over the last 10 or so years. One is that when the QB is just getting totally killed and is having a bad game because of it, don't keep getting him hammered. Run the goddam ball. Having an allpro RB probably won't hurt matters.
The other thing is that when Vick gets rattled his game goes right down the shteinter. So, in that case maybe run the goddam ball. Having an ALL PRO rb probably won't hurt matters. I'm guessing maybe others have had similar thoughts.
Quote from: MDS on September 09, 2012, 05:38:48 PM
seriously he is not capable of not turning the ball over
they cant win like this because the defense sucks, the kicking game isnt good enough and the line is a joke but they ought to turn into a safe defense and running team.
feed shady...play field position...dont give away points...take your big play shots with pimp and hope that works
because throwing the ball 50 times a game cannot possibly work with vick
x1000. They have enough with Maclin/Jackson/Celek that if they lean on Shady and the D remains competent that they should get plays through the air despite Vick.
56 passes. Go farg yourself.
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 09, 2012, 05:36:05 PM
all of vicks quotes about how hard hes worked and how much hes studied and how he spent the off season in philly is all a big fat farging crock of shtein.....go away you pos
Absolutely... I was thinking the same watching him throw pick after pick, holding onto the ball forever, throwing the ball across his body into the middle of the field, sidearming passes, not seeing LB's dropping right in front of him.... this cat hasn't changed at all. 2010 clearly just caught the league off guard because ever since the end of that year when they adjusted to him, he's been straight doo... doo.
He looked awful....just awful.
Andy said in the post game presser they didn't run shady more early because of the fumble. Meanwhile Vick throws 4 awful picks and they keep having him sling the ball across his body while on the run and forcing throws. Did anyone else notice on the 2nd and goal pass that should have been picked he dropped back from the 5 and threw off his back foot around the 17?
Quote from: SD on September 09, 2012, 05:45:31 PM
Andy said in the post game presser they didn't run shady more early because of the fumble. Meanwhile Vick throws 4 awful picks and they keep having him sling the ball across his body while on the run and forcing throws. Did anyone else notice on the 2nd and goal pass that should have been picked he dropped back from the 5 and threw off his back foot around the 17?
He drops back way too far on almost every throw. It's one of the reason why other teams pressure him so quickly (other than how awful Dunlap is). He drops back like 10-15 yards and is immediately encountering the DEs rushing on the outside.
Kurt Coleman in the postgame interviews looking like he just called Jon Jones a bitch. Cuts on his nose and lips from when Richardson blew him up.
He also can't adjust to the goddamn blitz. Get the ball out and stop them from doing that shtein.
Quote from: Zanshin on September 09, 2012, 05:48:28 PM
He also can't adjust to the goddamn blitz. Get the ball out and stop them from doing that shtein.
He just can't. He can't hit those quick slants and doesn't seem to know the hot routes on a blitz with any consistency to make defenses think twice about flying straight at him. He needs that long ass 7 step drop because he can't read the defense fast enough on a 3 step drop to get the ball out.
QuoteJeff McLane @Jeff_McLane
Reid and Mornhinweg's explanation for the lopsided run-pass ratio early on was that they thought they could exploit #Browns' pass D.
lol ok
That would make sense if Joe Haden weren't playing.
Quote from: Feva on September 09, 2012, 05:50:38 PM
Quote from: Zanshin on September 09, 2012, 05:48:28 PM
He also can't adjust to the goddamn blitz. Get the ball out and stop them from doing that shtein.
He just can't. He can't hit those quick slants and doesn't seem to know the hot routes on a blitz with any consistency to make defenses think twice about blitzing.
Considering that's the hallmark of this offense, not being able to do that shtein is sort of an impediment to, you know, being competent.
Quote from: FastFreddie on September 09, 2012, 05:51:47 PM
That would make sense if Joe Haden weren't playing.
And Shady wasn't ripping them for 7-8 yards per carry.
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on September 09, 2012, 05:42:50 PM
Quote from: MDS on September 09, 2012, 05:38:48 PM
seriously he is not capable of not turning the ball over
they cant win like this because the defense sucks, the kicking game isnt good enough and the line is a joke but they ought to turn into a safe defense and running team.
feed shady...play field position...dont give away points...take your big play shots with pimp and hope that works
because throwing the ball 50 times a game cannot possibly work with vick
x1000. They have enough with Maclin/Jackson/Celek that if they lean on Shady and the D remains competent that they should get plays through the air despite Vick.
56 passes. Go farg yourself.
And if you count the 7 times Vick ran the pass:run goes from 56/27 to 63/20.
They exploited the Browns pass defense to the tune of 5.6 yards per attempt. Meanwhile, McCoy had 5.5 yards per attempt rushing.
Totally worth it!
Quote from: Feva on September 09, 2012, 05:43:43 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 09, 2012, 05:36:05 PM
all of vicks quotes about how hard hes worked and how much hes studied and how he spent the off season in philly is all a big fat farging crock of shtein.....go away you pos
Absolutely... I was thinking the same watching him throw pick after pick, holding onto the ball forever, throwing the ball across his body into the middle of the field, sidearming passes, not seeing LB's dropping right in front of him.... this cat hasn't changed at all. 2010 clearly just caught the league off guard because ever since the end of that year when they adjusted to him, he's been straight doo... doo.
couldnt agree more....and the hold on to the ball thing cant be emphasized enough...if you look at 99% of his completions today they were in rhythm....thats what the WCO is all about....but vick on almost every play dropped back and you could literally see him thinking about what to do instead of naturally reacting....he simply cant run this offense....and this is whee i will defend him...he is a terrible qb but hes being asked to do something that is waaaaaaay out of his skill set....this falls on andy imo...once again jamming a circular peg into a triangular hole
david akers just hit a 63 yd field goal in lambeau. glad he's gone.
Quote from: Eagaholic on September 09, 2012, 05:53:26 PM
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on September 09, 2012, 05:42:50 PM
Quote from: MDS on September 09, 2012, 05:38:48 PM
seriously he is not capable of not turning the ball over
they cant win like this because the defense sucks, the kicking game isnt good enough and the line is a joke but they ought to turn into a safe defense and running team.
feed shady...play field position...dont give away points...take your big play shots with pimp and hope that works
because throwing the ball 50 times a game cannot possibly work with vick
x1000. They have enough with Maclin/Jackson/Celek that if they lean on Shady and the D remains competent that they should get plays through the air despite Vick.
56 passes. Go farg yourself.
And if you count the 7 times Vick ran the pass:run goes from 56/27 to 63/20.
stop with the run pass ratio stuff...thats so ten years ago....this is a passing league now...
you guys want the eagles to run the ball more because their qb cant throw it it doesnt work that way...the bottom line is if vick could run this offense properly they would have been up 28-3 at halftime and THEN run the ball to make the ratio more even
Btw... while the 4th round kicker is blowing 45 yd FG's, Akers just hit a 63 yarder to end the 1st half.
I see what youre getting at but when your rb is getting 5-10 ypc and your qb sucks it makes more sense to run the ball more. Even IF the running game is ineffective you keep running the ball to keep the defense honest. And for the love of Hid Andy stop throwing the ball on 1st down . farg the god damn %s in the league. At the very least mix it up.
Quote from: Feva on September 09, 2012, 06:02:14 PM
Btw... while the 4th round kicker is blowing 45 yd FG's, Akers just hit a 63 yarder to end the 1st half.
WRONG THREAD FOO
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 09, 2012, 06:02:04 PM
Quote from: Eagaholic on September 09, 2012, 05:53:26 PM
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on September 09, 2012, 05:42:50 PM
Quote from: MDS on September 09, 2012, 05:38:48 PM
seriously he is not capable of not turning the ball over
they cant win like this because the defense sucks, the kicking game isnt good enough and the line is a joke but they ought to turn into a safe defense and running team.
feed shady...play field position...dont give away points...take your big play shots with pimp and hope that works
because throwing the ball 50 times a game cannot possibly work with vick
x1000. They have enough with Maclin/Jackson/Celek that if they lean on Shady and the D remains competent that they should get plays through the air despite Vick.
56 passes. Go farg yourself.
And if you count the 7 times Vick ran the pass:run goes from 56/27 to 63/20.
stop with the run pass ratio stuff...thats so ten years ago....this is a passing league now...
you guys want the eagles to run the ball more because their qb cant throw it it doesnt work that way...the bottom line is if vick could run this offense properly they would have been up 28-3 at halftime and THEN run the ball to make the ratio more even
Look... if they're scoring TD's while they're passing, I don't give a farg if the ratio is 75/1 in favor of the pass. But on days like today when the QB is hurting you more than helping you, throwing picks left and right and can't do shtein right... all I ask is to not be so farging stubborn and take some of the pressure off of him by giving the ball to your all-pro RB who just so happens to be gutting the defense all day long.
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 09, 2012, 06:02:04 PM
Quote from: Eagaholic on September 09, 2012, 05:53:26 PM
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on September 09, 2012, 05:42:50 PM
Quote from: MDS on September 09, 2012, 05:38:48 PM
seriously he is not capable of not turning the ball over
they cant win like this because the defense sucks, the kicking game isnt good enough and the line is a joke but they ought to turn into a safe defense and running team.
feed shady...play field position...dont give away points...take your big play shots with pimp and hope that works
because throwing the ball 50 times a game cannot possibly work with vick
x1000. They have enough with Maclin/Jackson/Celek that if they lean on Shady and the D remains competent that they should get plays through the air despite Vick.
56 passes. Go farg yourself.
And if you count the 7 times Vick ran the pass:run goes from 56/27 to 63/20.
stop with the run pass ratio stuff...thats so ten years ago....this is a passing league now...
you guys want the eagles to run the ball more because their qb cant throw it it doesnt work that way...the bottom line is if vick could run this offense properly they would have been up 28-3 at halftime and THEN run the ball to make the ratio more even
The bottom line is that Vick couldn't run the offense. That is reality, so the coach needs to adjust the play calling.
Quote from: FastFreddie on September 09, 2012, 06:05:35 PM
Quote from: Feva on September 09, 2012, 06:02:14 PM
Btw... while the 4th round kicker is blowing 45 yd FG's, Akers just hit a 63 yarder to end the 1st half.
WRONG THREAD FOO
No sir... Cleveland Browns discussion right there...
Quote from: SD on September 09, 2012, 06:05:34 PM
I see what youre getting at but when your rb is getting 5-10 ypc and your qb sucks it makes more sense to run the ball more.
i 100% agree with this....but this is small picture stuff....today its what they should have done....and its what they should do in general because of the qb they have
but im talking about winning the superbowl this year...im looking big picture....i want to be in NO in feb...and not running the ball enough has nothing to do with whether they get there or not...it all depends on vick being a LEGIT qb
Stop with the sb stuff. If today doesn't open your eyes that this is the same shtein team as last season than I don't know what will. Next week is going to be ugly and bmore ain't what I'd consider a great team.
its not about me thinking they are going to win the sb its about the fact that they should be in the mix to win a superbowl this year...this is bigger than andy reids run pass ratio in week one vs cleveland
why anyone would care how many run plays andy reid called this week is beyond me
They should definitely not use their best offensive weapon. I'm with IGY on this one.
Chas Henry averaged 55 yards per punt today.
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 09, 2012, 06:18:27 PM
its not about me thinking they are going to win the sb its about the fact that they should be in the mix to win a superbowl this year...this is bigger than andy reids run pass ratio in week one vs cleveland
why anyone would care how many run plays andy reid called this week is beyond me
Because he(/MM) almost lost this game that way. It's the coaches job to know who is getting the job done and who can't and adjust accordingly.
Because the running game was effective and he went away from it and kept forcing the passing game which obviously wasnt working. There's not one part of me that thinks they're "in the mix". Their ceiling is probably 9-7 and a wc game. I'm all aboard the Foles bandwagon at this point. I was adamantly against it early but Vick is horrid beyond belief and they're never winning shtein with him.
Quote from: General_Failure on September 09, 2012, 06:21:13 PM
They should definitely not use their best offensive weapon. I'm with IGY on this one.
if you think they are winning the sb this year because of shady then you are a dope
shady had a ridiculous year last season and they went 8-8
its all about the qb in 2012
am i the only idiot that sees this?
Quote from: FastFreddie on September 09, 2012, 06:21:35 PM
Chas Henry averaged 55 yards per punt today.
How's his arm?
Quote from: FastFreddie on September 09, 2012, 06:21:35 PM
Chas Henry averaged 55 yards per punt today.
Unsung hero today as well as the DTs who did one hell of a job against the run and got good push.
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 09, 2012, 06:23:17 PM
Quote from: General_Failure on September 09, 2012, 06:21:13 PM
They should definitely not use their best offensive weapon. I'm with IGY on this one.
am i the only idiot
You can't get lower hanging fruit than this without going into hbionic's dreams. But anyway, they're not winning the SB this year. They're not going to compete for one. They're not going to be in the mix. This is a QB-focused league, and Vick is awful. What I want is to be entertained and see McCoy making defenses look stupid.
Anybody know if Boykin is ok?
Quote from: Eagaholic on September 09, 2012, 06:25:58 PM
Anybody know if Boykin is ok?
he said he was...just got kicked in the stomach
Quote from: General_Failure on September 09, 2012, 06:25:52 PM
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Quote from: General_Failure on September 09, 2012, 06:21:13 PM
They should definitely not use their best offensive weapon. I'm with IGY on this one.
am i the only idiot
You can't get lower hanging fruit than this without going into hbionic's dreams. But anyway, they're not winning the SB this year. They're not going to compete for one. They're not going to be in the mix. This is a QB-focused league, and Vick is awful. What I want is to be entertained and see McCoy making defenses look stupid.
They already hired Juan for this.
I want to see all the defenses look stupid!
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 09, 2012, 06:26:38 PM
Quote from: Eagaholic on September 09, 2012, 06:25:58 PM
Anybody know if Boykin is ok?
he said he was...just got kicked in the stomach
Glad to hear, I don't think they have a lot of depth there.
Quote from: Eagaholic on September 09, 2012, 06:28:47 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 09, 2012, 06:26:38 PM
Quote from: Eagaholic on September 09, 2012, 06:25:58 PM
Anybody know if Boykin is ok?
he said he was...just got kicked in the stomach
Glad to hear, I don't think they have a lot of depth there.
In the stomach? Not as much as last year.
Quote from: General_Failure on September 09, 2012, 06:29:36 PM
Quote from: Eagaholic on September 09, 2012, 06:28:47 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 09, 2012, 06:26:38 PM
Quote from: Eagaholic on September 09, 2012, 06:25:58 PM
Anybody know if Boykin is ok?
he said he was...just got kicked in the stomach
Glad to hear, I don't think they have a lot of depth there.
In the stomach? Not as much as last year.
It's hard to tell, but I think Andy may have dropped 50 - 100 lbs this off season.
I still think getting rid of Hanson was stupid.
Quote from: SD on September 09, 2012, 06:24:53 PM
Quote from: FastFreddie on September 09, 2012, 06:21:35 PM
Chas Henry averaged 55 yards per punt today.
Unsung hero today as well as the DTs who did one hell of a job against the run and got good push.
the 65 yarder out of the end zone was awesome....but he needs to focus more on hang time and direction versus distance....more than a few times he outkicked the coverage and put the ball right in cribbs gut with plenty of room to work
Quote from: SD on September 09, 2012, 06:24:53 PM
Quote from: FastFreddie on September 09, 2012, 06:21:35 PM
Chas Henry averaged 55 yards per punt today.
Unsung hero today as well as the DTs who did one hell of a job against the run and got good push.
Quote from: Munson on September 09, 2012, 03:32:28 PM
DRC is the first star of the game, Chas Henry is the second
Boom! I was singing
Quote from: Zanshin on September 09, 2012, 06:31:38 PM
I still think getting rid of Hanson was stupid.
I didn't catch a good chunk of preseason but I've read he had lost a step beginning last year and getting worse now. Don't know it it's true though.
He never looked fantastic...but he usually got the job done. I would have been happy with him even as veteran depth.
you guys know that joselio was cut LAST year right?...hes not very good
before today i thought keeping him for veteran depth this year might have been a good idea...but brandon boykin was arguably the best player on the field today....so im not sure why you would bring up joselio tonight
I like Boykin. But he got hurt. If it was serious, I'd want a vet behind him.
i dont really disagree with that premise but the guy got cut last summer....how good is he?
Last year, we had Assy, Asanti and DRC...this year we have Assy, DRC and a bunch of who knows. I don't think he's great...but I'd feel better with him and some experience if Boykin was banged up for any amount of time.
al harris and bobby taylor have experience too
They weren't already on the roster this year and under contract. Hanson didn't get abused in the preseason, and he didn't stand out as much if any worse in the practices that I saw. Stop putting me in a position to defend the guy just because I'd feel better with him as maybe the 4th corner and vet depth. It's retarded.
Per Trey Wingo... FYI M. Vick 1st QB to win season opener despite throwing 4 picks since Joe Ferguson of the Bills in 1980
Besides I have no idea what these other guys have going on with their penises. There's a comfort level there with Joselio.
Quote from: FastFreddie on September 09, 2012, 07:02:50 PM
Per Trey Wingo... FYI M. Vick 1st QB to win season opener despite throwing 4 picks since Joe Ferguson of the Bills in 1980
If the defender didn't drop that 5th pick, it would have been a record-breaking opener. Rare air!
Lucky! How many times does your QB throw four picks and still wins??
Quote from: FastFreddie on September 09, 2012, 07:02:50 PM
Per Trey Wingo... FYI M. Vick 1st QB to win season opener despite throwing 4 picks since Joe Ferguson of the Bills in 1980
im gonna go out on a limb and say that trey wingo didnt come up with that number
"per elias sports bureau"
Quote from: Zanshin on September 09, 2012, 07:02:25 PM
They weren't already on the roster this year and under contract. Hanson didn't get abused in the preseason, and he didn't stand out as much if any worse in the practices that I saw. Stop putting me in a position to defend the guy just because I'd feel better with him as maybe the 4th corner and vet depth. It's retarded.
and joselio wasnt on the roster after last years camp....again i kind of agree with you but at the same time the guy is done and got cut by a team that has tons of money and isnt very deep at his position
Quote from: shorebird on September 09, 2012, 07:06:39 PM
Lucky! How many times does your QB throw four picks and still wins??
I'm hoping we don't find out.
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 09, 2012, 07:10:00 PM
Quote from: Zanshin on September 09, 2012, 07:02:25 PM
They weren't already on the roster this year and under contract. Hanson didn't get abused in the preseason, and he didn't stand out as much if any worse in the practices that I saw. Stop putting me in a position to defend the guy just because I'd feel better with him as maybe the 4th corner and vet depth. It's retarded.
.again i kind of agree with you
That's a relief. I'd hate to see the time you'd waste on this if you didn't agree.
i feel like i owe the world to
Quote from: Zanshin on September 09, 2012, 07:12:25 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 09, 2012, 07:10:00 PM
Quote from: Zanshin on September 09, 2012, 07:02:25 PM
They weren't already on the roster this year and under contract. Hanson didn't get abused in the preseason, and he didn't stand out as much if any worse in the practices that I saw. Stop putting me in a position to defend the guy just because I'd feel better with him as maybe the 4th corner and vet depth. It's retarded.
.again i kind of agree with you
That's a relief. I'd hate to see the time you'd waste on this if you didn't agree.
sometimes i admittedly take it to far but i feel like i was put on earth to school heads
The world is eternally in your debt.
the sports world....the rest of my world is ugly
but lets talk eagles....where is everyone?
Mychal Kendricks was money today
LBs in general played really well. Kendricks and Ryans had very solid games.
Biggest surprise of the game was the DL playing a balanced game and not getting a ton of sacks.
yep, force weedon to beat you in the air, let the LBs fill the gaps. worked out today.
yup...all signs point to kendricks being a player...he just needs to change his number
and did you notice that there were minimal LB packages...
there was little to see of scabs like brian rolle
Akeem Jordan is like a bad penny. Brian Rolle and Jamar Chaney never had a chance.
Jordan is phenomenal on STs though.
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 09, 2012, 07:10:00 PM
Quote from: FastFreddie on September 09, 2012, 07:02:50 PM
Per Trey Wingo... FYI M. Vick 1st QB to win season opener despite throwing 4 picks since Joe Ferguson of the Bills in 1980
im gonna go out on a limb and say that trey wingo didnt come up with that number
"per elias sports bureau"
It's called the ESPN research department.
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on September 09, 2012, 07:30:13 PM
LBs in general played really well. Kendricks and Ryans had very solid games.
I'll eat crow on Ryans because from what I had saw and heard I thought he was done. But he was the best player on the field today. The D was solid but the Browns are a horrible team so I'm gonna wait a few more games before I get excited.
just hope he doesnt pull a will witherspoon
Saw this posted by a writer on Twitter...Eagles are one of 11 teams in history to attempt 56 (or more) passes in a non-OT game.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 09, 2012, 09:24:47 PM
Saw this posted by a writer on Twitter...Eagles are one of 11 teams in history to attempt 56 (or more) passes in a non-OT game.
Were the other ten teams also the Eagles?
Quote from: hbionic on September 09, 2012, 09:28:11 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 09, 2012, 09:24:47 PM
Saw this posted by a writer on Twitter...Eagles are one of 11 teams in history to attempt 56 (or more) passes in a non-OT game.
Were the other ten teams also the Eagles?
lol probably
I'd love to be on the sideline to listen to Reid and Mornhinweg talk strategy.
Vick's getting pummeled...OL cannot block without holding...Vick's throwing pick after pick....
Shady is clipping off runs at 7 yards a pop
THROWTHROWTHROW!
Quote from: hbionic on September 09, 2012, 09:28:11 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 09, 2012, 09:24:47 PM
Saw this posted by a writer on Twitter...Eagles are one of 11 teams in history to attempt 56 (or more) passes in a non-OT game.
Were the other ten teams also the Eagles?
Lol
I know SD has been preaching it for a while, but is the o-line really that bad? Vick is a more terrible QB than he was in Atlanta, at least then he had speed. I'd jump on the Foles bandwagon, but Vick will undoubtedly be injured soon.
By my count, the Eagles intended to get the ball in Shady's hands (via run or pass) 33 times. However, they used him terribly:
20 times = gained yards
4 times = lost yards/no gain
4 times = called back for penalty
3 times = incomplete pass
2 times = someone fumbles
Quote from: Tomahawk on September 09, 2012, 10:13:58 PM
I know SD has been preaching it for a while, but is the o-line really that bad?
Clay Harbor did a better job one on one blocking than Dunlap did. He's terrible.
Quote from: Tomahawk on September 09, 2012, 10:13:58 PM
I know SD has been preaching it for a while, but is the o-line really that bad?
its not good but vick is a much worse qb than these guys are OL
granted its cle but they were pretty damn good for the second half of the game
Quote from: Tomahawk on September 09, 2012, 10:13:58 PM
I know SD has been preaching it for a while, but is the o-line really that bad? Vick is a more terrible QB than he was in Atlanta, at least then he had speed. I'd jump on the Foles bandwagon, but Vick will undoubtedly be injured soon.
Someone pointed it out in the preseason thread, but when Foles is in, he steps up in the pocket, and avoids a lot of the pressure that Vick sees from dropping back and rolling out every play.
Quote from: General_Failure on September 09, 2012, 11:19:02 PM
Quote from: Tomahawk on September 09, 2012, 10:13:58 PM
I know SD has been preaching it for a while, but is the o-line really that bad?
Clay Harbor did a better job one on one blocking than Dunlap did. He's terrible.
that's because Dunlop tires
Part of the problem with Vick and calling a spade a spade is, outside of the first few games he played in 2010, he is incapable of playing with consistency. He'll still have a few games where he looks like an all-pro but it isn't sustainable. So, even if they make the playoffs, he can't rip off 3/4 games in a row without having a huge blow-up. Just not possible, especially as the teams get better with better schemes to throw at him. Once you make that determination about him, what's the point really?
If only there were some way to have his rib injuries coincide with the weeks he's going to play like shtein.
I wonder if Lurie was sitting in his box pondering what we were - that is, why the farg isn't this fat bastich running the ball against an atrocious defense especially with Vick playing so poorly?
It's just astounding. The worse the quarterback plays the more they throw it. I could see if they didn't have a All-Pro caliber running back or even a marginal one, but they have one of the best runners in the game and they just don't give it a second thought until it's almost too late. Stubborn oaf.
Seriously.
I almost don't want to watch next week. I'm trying to look at the big picture and I'm asking myself if its worth it to waste 3 hours of my time watching the shteinfest we call an offense...or should I just sleep or go run errands. I'm thinking Dio knows something the rest of us don't.
Quote from: Eagaholic on September 10, 2012, 01:00:43 AM
Quote from: General_Failure on September 09, 2012, 11:19:02 PM
Quote from: Tomahawk on September 09, 2012, 10:13:58 PM
I know SD has been preaching it for a while, but is the o-line really that bad?
Clay Harbor did a better job one on one blocking than Dunlap did. He's terrible.
that's because Dunlop tires
Awful and completely deserved by yesterday's effort.
Quote from: Hawk on September 10, 2012, 12:03:57 AM
Quote from: Tomahawk on September 09, 2012, 10:13:58 PM
I know SD has been preaching it for a while, but is the o-line really that bad? Vick is a more terrible QB than he was in Atlanta, at least then he had speed. I'd jump on the Foles bandwagon, but Vick will undoubtedly be injured soon.
Someone pointed it out in the preseason thread, but when Foles is in, he steps up in the pocket, and avoids a lot of the pressure that Vick sees from dropping back and rolling out every play.
That's because the Eagles need a system QB not a rogue gunslinger. It's why Mcnabb was so effective in this offense. He stuck to the system and improvised when he needed to. Vick improvises as soon as the ball is snapped. I hear a lot of fans/media say "where's the guy we saw the first 7 games of 2010". That guy was trying to win a spot so he played disciplined football for the first time in his career. Now that he's comfortable he's back to the same scrambling mess he's always been.
I want to see what Reid had to say in the post-game presser and I don't want to read through this entire thread. Someone should help me with that.
Haha...like you don't know what he said based on history.
on a 1-10 qb controversey scale it will be interesting to see what its like in the city this week
If they had lost it would be an 11. Winning cures a lot of things or at least it obscures it nicely.
There won't be any controversy at all when Vick is traded in the offseason.
I will give Vick credit. He was pretty good in the end of the 2nd and the end of the game. Though he forced that one pass to Harbor that was nearly picked off by LJ Fort.
he does his best hes just not a 3-5 step and throw the ball qb....which is what you have to have in this offense
Look, I don't think this is a SB team with Vick at the helm, but do you people really believe that Foles gives them a better chance at that than Mike does? The kid played well in August, but let's remember - it was August.
It really comes down to Vick playing within the system like he did in 2010. His regression to being a player who thinks he has to put it all on him is just frustrating.
At the same time, if Foles was in there we'd see the same old thing that you see everytime a backup QB enters the game. A balanced gameplan to give the QB a chance to relax. Instead Braindead Andy and Marty do the same thing every year.
I don't know why they don't have Vick drop back more rather than using the shotgun It would help with his timing and discipline. I don't buy that it is to help with his seeing the rush because he gets too rattled and skittish anyway. If he has confidence in his pass pro he is worlds better, if he is hit a few times you lose him. They also have to find a way to help him with the blitz, he doesn't use a check down fast enough and it doesn't look like he always has one.
Quote from: DH on September 10, 2012, 10:58:51 AM
Look, I don't think this is a SB team with Vick at the helm, but do you people really believe that Foles gives them a better chance at that than Mike does? The kid played well in August, but let's remember - it was August.
He also narrowly missed I believe 4 pics in about 4 quarters that would have really changed the complexion of how people see him. He does seem to have good skills though but needs at least a year.
The more I think about, the more I like the outcome yesterday. If they'd blown out the Browns easily, they'd be due for a rude awakening. Instead, they get the all-important W in the standings but all the harsh lessons learned that a loss would have given them. Besides, the defense played actually better than I expected (against an admittedly bottom-tier offense), and the offensive line and playcalling both improved as the game went on - not a coincidence.
Of course the big issue here is that Vick sucked hairy donkey balls. Maybe he'll get knee-capped and Foles will actually be good. Maybe he shook off the stink and will play better. I don't know.... I'm just glad I didn't draft him in fantasy.
vick will be better....lets remember he only threw 12 passes in preseason...they will beat the ravens and the train will be firmly back on the track
big picture tho they have to upgrade the qb position...whether that be foles or not....for andy reids first 10 years they had the best qb in the division...now they have the worst and that has to change
Quote from: DH on September 10, 2012, 10:58:51 AM
Look, I don't think this is a SB team with Vick at the helm, but do you people really believe that Foles gives them a better chance at that than Mike does? The kid played well in August, but let's remember - it was August.
Maybe maybe not but I'd rather go with a young guy with potential than with stick with Vick. They're not winning the sb this season do the "who gives you the best option to win" argument is moot
Of course Vick could win and I would argue that he's the better QB for this team right now anyway. With an OL that can't protect anyone he still has the ability to steal a game or two with his legs. But the writing is on the wall long-term. This offense needs precision in order to reach its potential. Precision is not something Vick has, or can spell.
i think the line is getting way to much criticism
at least in yesterdays game
the penalties need to cease but they threw the ball 56 times and vick was only sacked twice...i dont believe he was under pressure on any of the interceptions and the team rushed for 150 yards
now im not ready to annoint them....lets see how they do against the ravens defense but overall i liked what i saw...especially as the game progressed
The line was protecting for quick timing plays and Vick didn't execute any of them... but still, as bad as expected from King Dunlap.
Christ, Austin Howard shut down Mario Williams yesterday.
i'm going to credit the fans a little bit and say there is zero nick foles talk yet this week. if vick plays like this again then maybe.
dude played the worst game of his life and the chances that he's plays that bad again are slim to none.
and they won the game. granted against a horrible team but still it's a win.
let's not go crazy yet.
Sounds like you're greatly underestimating how terrible of a qb Vick is.
we all knew he was capable of putting up a huge shteinshow of a game.
he'll come back with a 200 yard rushing and passing game and everyone will be sucking his herp cock again.
the bigger problem is that they still threw it over 50 times with awful QB play.
shady was averaging like 9 yards per carry at one point and should have had 200 yards rushing yesterday.
our coach is still the big problem.
Honestly, it is him or just Marty and the fact that Andy doesnt going to the same dry well
its a passing league and they have a qb who cant pass very well....thats a problem far bigger than the coach and im no andy supporter
After sleeping on it, I feel a little different than yesterday.
Vick did only have 12 pre-season snaps (It has to count for something)
Cleveland's D played their assess off and their secondary did a great job on our WR's.
I agree with Phatty...let's see what happens this week. I'm sure Marty and Co. will make some adjustments (by throwing it only 45-50 times next week)
But Vick's performance was as bad as the game he had vs. the Vikings two seasons ago. It's scary because this team feels like it is only a QB away from doing some serious damage and it feels like we are reverting back to Step 1 while everyone else addresses that position properly...at least our competition.
Anyone know when this game will be reaired on NFL Network?
Quote from: DH on September 10, 2012, 01:41:42 PM
Anyone know when this game will be reaired on NFL Network?
Who cares? Donovan McNabb is in studio ALL DAY today giving cutting edge analysis!
Best so far: He says KC is the team to beat in the AFC West.
Quote from: hbionic on September 10, 2012, 01:28:58 PM
After sleeping on it, I feel a little different than yesterday.
Vick did only have 12 pre-season snaps (It has to count for something)
Cleveland's D played their assess off and their secondary did a great job on our WR's.
I agree with Phatty...let's see what happens this week. I'm sure Marty and Co. will make some adjustments (by throwing it only 45-50 times next week)
But Vick's performance was as bad as the game he had vs. the Vikings two seasons ago. It's scary because this team feels like it is only a QB away from doing some serious damage and it feels like we are reverting back to Step 1 while everyone else addresses that position properly...at least our competition.
It was fairly evident that it was another game of Andy's protege's using their playbook knowledge. Jauron seemed to have everything dialed in. But as IGY said, Vick was throwing off his backfoot and across his body. That cant happen.
I care - I missed the whole game, and regardless of how bad they played, I'd like to watch.
I don't mean to ruin it, but the Eagles won. Somebody said earlier that the NFL Network only plays the game of the week which this match probably was not.
http://blogs.nfl.com/2012/09/10/mcnabb-on-vick-just-a-bad-day-at-the-office/
Quote from: DH on September 10, 2012, 02:44:03 PM
I care - I missed the whole game, and regardless of how bad they played, I'd like to watch.
There is almost nothing worth watching outside of the two minute warning for the half and end.
One play changes the fate of a team and its peoples.
If Fort intercepts that pass, Eagles lose, Eagles fans commit suicide, and the survivors burn the Linc.
He didn't, Eagles win, and we get more IGY and Co. :-*
Quote from: FastFreddie on September 10, 2012, 12:47:47 PMChrist, Austin Howard shut down Mario Williams yesterday.
by cheating
Quote from: General_Failure on September 10, 2012, 03:04:12 PMThere is almost nothing worth watching outside of the two minute warning for the half and end.
I'd like to see Sheldon getting trucked by McCoy. Anyone have a clip or .gif of that?
I like seeing Vick trying to show a little leadership in this "soundtracks" thing ESPN is showing right now.
I'd rather see Kurt Coleman get trucked by Trent Richardson
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 10, 2012, 11:19:19 AM
they will beat the ravens and the train will be firmly back on the track
?? No way this team beats the Ravens next week.
ok ravens fan
Haha, playing the homer role is fun?
The Ravens are not that special. Still better and more consistent than the Eagles. I predict a very close game - turnovers and missed FGs could be a problem.
Missed FG's meaning Henery I presume.
Quote from: Don Ho on September 11, 2012, 04:13:03 PM
Missed FG's meaning Henery I presume.
Yes, for the record, I have no problem with the Ravens' kicker missing field goals.
Quote from: FastFreddie on September 11, 2012, 02:45:33 PM
The Ravens are not that special.
their offensive line is average and even tho people hear ravens and blindly think incredible defense this defense can be exploited...whether vick can do it is another question...i say he does
I don't think Vick can exploit them but I'm sure Shady can. Before the score got out of hand, Green-Ellis was gashing them.
Ray Rice however is just as good and will hurt the Eagles, so that's a wash.
Between QBs, Flacco is easily the better judging from the last ten or twelve games each of them has played.
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 11, 2012, 06:19:41 PM
Quote from: FastFreddie on September 11, 2012, 02:45:33 PM
The Ravens are not that special.
their offensive line is average and even tho people hear ravens and blindly think incredible defense this defense can be exploited...whether vick can do it is another question...i say he does
Exactly. Their OL has been shuffled around...Birk can be gotten at C and their defense gave CIN some opportunities last night but they could not make the most of them.
Yo DH
https://t.co/QFdXrS2R
http://deadspin.com/5942447/the-head-linesman-from-sundays-browns+eagles-game-is-currently-refereeing-a-7th+grade-game-in-oklahoma
I hope their quarterbacking is better