I need some for one of the stations program. I remember the Tapeh 4 and 2 in the flat and a few others but need help remember others. Please give me your best.
playoffs against the saints in 06 (maybe 07?). under 2 minutes left in the game and he punted the ball on 4th down.
Every single Vick-in, Vick-out playcall of 2009.
Quote from: phattymatty on September 16, 2010, 10:28:05 AM
playoffs against the saints in 06 (maybe 07?). under 2 minutes left in the game and he punted the ball on 4th down.
that's a great one
Quote from: SunMo on September 16, 2010, 10:37:14 AM
Quote from: phattymatty on September 16, 2010, 10:28:05 AM
playoffs against the saints in 06 (maybe 07?). under 2 minutes left in the game and he punted the ball on 4th down.
that's a great one
Good stuff
I need specific stuff. I know there were many, this stuff is going to be used on air believe it or not.
just last year was a cutie:
Eagles down 20-13 with 4 min left left at the Dallas 34, 4th and 6 (?), Reid decided for Akers to kick a 52-yard field goal and make it a 20-16 game with no time outs left, just banking on the Cowboys to go 3 and out on the next drive...so reid could use mcnabb and all of his 4th quarter comeback accomplishments to have to win it on a TD anyway with all that time left on the clock.
^^^^Another good one, keep em coming
what show? Mike Miss?
His worst one Sunday was obviously the 4th and 1. It's even better when you find out that Shady McCoy was subbed into the package due to Weaver's absence. So, instead of playing to the strengths of the players he has in the game (McCoy/Vick), he spots the D a few yards by lining up in the shotgun, then runs Vick right into the pile. How about a bootleg? An option? ANYTHING but that?
The entire gameplan for Jacksonville in hurricane weather in 2006.
No, I will not pick individual plays and you can't make me.
And in the parking lot everyone knew what Reid's gameplan was for that game. 50+mph winds... PASS ATTACK, they'll never expect it.
Quote from: FastFreddie on September 16, 2010, 10:55:01 AM
His worst one Sunday was obviously the 4th and 1. It's even better when you find out that Shady McCoy was subbed into the package due to Weaver's absence. So, instead of playing to the strengths of the players he has in the game (McCoy/Vick), he spots the D a few yards by lining up in the shotgun, then runs Vick right into the pile. How about a bootleg? An option? ANYTHING but that?
if reid and his puppet marty are going to pass it on 3rd and 1 on pretty much any drive in the entire game or years past....why would he run it on 4th and 1, with a stacked d-line and his qb none-the-less with the game on the line?
quickly air it on the radio.
This has got to be for that retard Dan Schwartzman
actually against the giants in 08 with two minutes left and down a td he ran westbrook twice in a row on 3 & 2 and 4th & 1 and didnt make it
he occasionally runs the ball on short yardage they just never make it
going for fg's against sd last year on the goaline down 14-0 in the first and 4th and 1 on the sd 6 down 21 to 6 in the third quarter were awful calls
the one that stands out to me is the brandon jacobs no fumble but try and find his career numbers on replay challenges...they are brutal
60 pass attempts against cincy in the wind when the bengals were at or near the worst rush defense in the nfl
same thing in oakland in the 13-9 loss...i believe that was 50+ passes whent he raiders gave up like 140 rush yards a game
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d81a8f59b/article/childress-reid-need-timeout-for-bad-game-management
Plenty from the 07-08. Or was it 06-07? Giants game. Winston Justice can not stop anyone. What does Reid do? PASS PASS PASS. I think Buckhalter had over 100 yards in the first half alone. And the Giants were up by a FG only and never more than a touchdown the whole game.
Back in 03 when the Eagles started off extremely slow. Against the Pats McNabb could not throw, run, or do anything right and they kept passing. The Pats were getting to him every play pretty much and beat him into the ground.
Then there were the WR screens to Pinkston that never went for more than 1 yard.
carolina nfccg - any play call.
Quote from: rjs246 on September 16, 2010, 11:49:06 AM
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d81a8f59b/article/childress-reid-need-timeout-for-bad-game-management
Thanks, what a Reid!
there were also the classic 4th and 1 sideline routes thrown to pinkston and thrash...i know one was in the martay jenkins game at the vet....i dont remember the specific games of the others as they won the games...but it happened two or three times and man did that get me going
The SD Matt Ware blocked FG return game.... Didn't they throw it something like 28 times in a row??
And shouldn't this be the Marty bonehead thread since he does the playcalling?
marty isnt fat enough to get his own thread.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 16, 2010, 01:40:46 PM
The SD Matt Ware blocked FG return game.... Didn't they throw it something like 28 times in a row??
And shouldn't this be the Marty bonehead thread since he does the playcalling?
Can you really the difference between the two calling the plays?
I'm amazed as to how they've even won a game.
Quote from: smeags on September 16, 2010, 12:19:28 PM
carolina nfccg - any play call.
i don't care what anyone says... that was the worst game i've ever seen in my life as an eagles fan. the panthers had no business even being in that game with the eagles and they tanked it worse than even the year before which was 1-a in the all-time abysmal list.
I was in a luxury box on free tickets from work for that game. It was at that game in fact that I was given my Akers jersey.
Which is still up for grabs if anyone wants it.
On second thought, I may just send it to someone for a laugh.
Quote from: Rome on September 16, 2010, 02:43:42 PM
Quote from: smeags on September 16, 2010, 12:19:28 PM
carolina nfccg - any play call.
i don't care what anyone says... that was the worst game i've ever seen in my life as an eagles fan. the panthers had no business even being in that game with the eagles and they tanked it worse than even the year before which was 1-a in the all-time abysmal list.
eveything about that day was horrible. 6.1yrds per run but lets keep passing.
the tailgate was fun.
no it wasnt it rained
igy is sarcasm impaired.
Quote from: Magical_Retard on September 16, 2010, 11:58:43 AM
Plenty from the 07-08. Or was it 06-07? Giants game. Winston Justice can not stop anyone. What does Reid do? PASS PASS PASS. I think Buckhalter had over 100 yards in the first half alone. And the Giants were up by a FG only and never more than a touchdown the whole game.
Back in 03 when the Eagles started off extremely slow. Against the Pats McNabb could not throw, run, or do anything right and they kept passing. The Pats were getting to him every play pretty much and beat him into the ground.
Then there were the WR screens to Pinkston that never went for more than 1 yard.
Two excellent points. I was thinking about the Giants game also when Justice just got bitch slapped and even Strahan said "WTF were they thinking not giving him any help?".
Gotta stick with the game plan. Adjusting it is for cowards and smart coaches.
It's called faith based coaching.
lol, spot on
Quote from: SunMo on September 16, 2010, 10:51:47 AM
what show? Mike Miss?
Vai and Gonzo from 10-12. The producer Sean Brace (cool guy) needed stuff about Reid refusing to run the ball and his poor playcalling. It was basically a 2 hour Reid bashfest.
I only work an hour or 2 of the Mikey Miss show. Jon Marks is the man.
Marks exposed prissynelli good the other day and all mike could is strutter and go to the next caller.
I was in the studio with Marks for the first hour of todays show. He told me a hilarious story about Dutch Daulton which I'm not allowed to repeat over the internet.
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 16, 2010, 11:24:55 AM
actually against the giants in 08 with two minutes left and down a td he ran westbrook twice in a row on 3 & 2 and 4th & 1 and didnt make it
he occasionally runs the ball on short yardage they just never make it
going for fg's against sd last year on the goaline down 14-0 in the first and 4th and 1 on the sd 6 down 21 to 6 in the third quarter were awful calls
the one that stands out to me is the brandon jacobs no fumble but try and find his career numbers on replay challenges...they are brutal
60 pass attempts against cincy in the wind when the bengals were at or near the worst rush defense in the nfl
same thing in oakland in the 13-9 loss...i believe that was 50+ passes whent he raiders gave up like 140 rush yards a game
I was watching that game courtesy of AFN, wasn't the fourth and 1 a toss play? Even when he runs he picks dumb ass plays.
Quote from: rjs246 on September 16, 2010, 11:49:06 AM
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d81a8f59b/article/childress-reid-need-timeout-for-bad-game-management
Finally, you rarely hear about this from national media, though Lombardi is in tune with Philly. I just can't believe any NFL coach has a job that consistently mismanages time. It really is one of the most important facets to the game.
Cowboys in 2005, MNF, Birds up, Reid is STILL PASSING, McNabb throws a TAINT and tears the rest of his sports hernia, lost for season. I was at that game, almost got in a fight with a Cowboy fan at a bar afterwards.
I was watching that carnage with Beermonkey and Die-Hard.
Talk about a kick in the balls
AR always has this propensity to torture players with injuries. The KC game in '05 when 5 had a painful sports hernia, then a chest injury, comes to mind. How Reid had him throw 48 passes that day was classic. 5 went on to win the game but paid a steep price, never recovering. Lost the next week against dallas and the eagles performed an abortion on that season in getting mcnabb killed. He was never the same after KC. He was on IR within 5 games (horse collar) I think.
Reid did the same thing making Akers kick with a torn hamstring in his plant leg (again in '05) against the Raiders. Most of us can probably remember him collapsing to the ground after kicking, only to go out and do it again. He missed the next 4 games. Not sure if Simoneau made the PB that year as kicker.
Oh, and his hideous game plan against the Bucs in the nfccg was not to be matched (Well until the next game, opening the Linc against the Bucs with deja vu results). They virtually never looked more than 10 or occasionally 15 yards down field, though wrs were open deep any number of times. I put this one on Reid and the play calling as I doubt the deep reads were until at least the 3rd progression. Stunningly, with entire off season to prepare, they had the same dink and dunk game plan and - shocking! - the same result next game.
I think his two worst play calls were the two from the Saints playoff game in 2006-2007. The 4th down to Tapeh and the punt when we couldn't stop their running attack were his two worst play calls. Reid single handedly cost the team the game. If we pull that game out, then the Eagles head to Chicago for the NFC Championship game where the Eagles usually always win. The only down side was we would have played the Colts in the Superbowl who we never beat.
Mike Lombardi just spent about 10 minutes on WIP killing Andy over time management and the deployment of Graham at DT.
yeah that was classic. he lit him up.
i still can't get beyond the panthers nfccg. i mean a whole game of blunders. just a total disaster for a head coach. one of the worst of all-time.
that whole day just farging sucked, from the cold and wind driven rain soaking us as 10 people tried to huddle under a tent with these two little coleman heaters that allez_igles had brought down to the disgusting offensive gameplan that produced 3 points. :boom
Completely agree with Lombardi, but has this guy ever done anything? He just goes and kills people on TV all day.
he was a player personnel guy for the eagles. he was there when they drafted tra and traded for Hugh, he said then he got fired. BITTER.
His name is Lombardi. Sounds legit.
Quote from: King Cole on September 17, 2010, 02:36:34 AM
I think his two worst play calls were the two from the Saints playoff game in 2006-2007. The 4th down to Tapeh and the punt when we couldn't stop their running attack were his two worst play calls. Reid single handedly cost the team the game. If we pull that game out, then the Eagles head to Chicago for the NFC Championship game where the Eagles usually always win. The only down side was we would have played the Colts in the Superbowl who we never beat.
Neato.
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on September 17, 2010, 08:45:53 AM
Completely agree with Lombardi, but has this guy ever done anything? He just goes and kills people on TV all day.
so like some posters on here minus the t.v. thingy.
From Simmons' predictions:
QuoteLIONS (+6.5) over Eagles
A sympathy pick after Detroit fans were Joyce'd for the second time in three months ... and also because the Eagles stink. James P. in San Antonio summed it up: "So with the game on the line, fourth-and-1, the Eagles ran the most predictable play ever. To prove it's the most predictable play ever: When watching the highlights, I paused the TV and asked my wife, 'What happens next?' She said, 'Vick runs it.' I say, 'OK, where?' She thinks for a nanteenth of a second and points out the exact line where Vick will run. Andy Reid, when my wife can predict your play, you have been outcoached."
HAHAHAHAHAHA
BEST
THREAD
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anyone read hoffmann today...he has always been ankle deep up andys ass but todays column was particularly hideous
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 17, 2010, 03:04:40 PM
anyone read hoffmann today...he has always been ankle deep up andys ass but todays column was particularly hideous
LINK (http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/103116939.html)
This article doesn't bother me. The way Reid scripted the first 15 plays, the shuttling in and out of Vick, and the 4th and 1 call were all so bad that taking the timeouts a little early didn't really rate. Basically, he farged everything else up royally, so the time management looks stellar by comparison.
he spent all week tracking down some time out nerd to write an article in defense of his hero and published it on friday
it would be sad if he had done it on monday....the fact that he had to get it out no matter what...so much so that he did it on a day when everyone is concentrating on the next game is flat out pathetic
He might as well enjoy it while he still has a job.
i think we have a new winner.
farg this guy.
He is definitely an idiot, but I think he had a legitimate gripe with the way they moved the ball back. That ball should have been at most 8" away.
It's good policy to hurt yourself when you have a legitimate gripe.
I was screaming at the TV during that whole episode. Its like I knew what he was going to do and saw it slowly happening. I cannot come to grasps with how this man is being paid millions to make decisions and constantly fails at basic tasks. In the real world you get fired.
Quote from: mussa on October 04, 2010, 11:16:50 AM
I was screaming at the TV during that whole episode. Its like I knew what he was going to do and saw it slowly happening. I cannot come to grasps with how this man is being paid millions to make decisions and constantly fails at basic tasks. In the real world you get fired.
Obama
shut up Rush
Speaking of which, last night's Family Guy was slightly amusing. Good to see McFarlane and Limbaugh set aside differences in the name of comedy.
Also, Andy Reid is a fat farg who should be covered in pig vomit and thrown into an incinerator.
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on October 04, 2010, 10:45:07 AM
He is definitely an idiot, but I think he had a legitimate gripe with the way they moved the ball back. That ball should have been at most 8" away.
From Les Bowen just now:
QuoteRewound Eagles clock snafu several times. Yes, initial spot was generous. But it was changed early in long review. Just call play, run it.
great insight there
At the stadium it felt like the review took 10 minutes. And then the time out. And then the delay of game.
Don't care if the spot was bad. How do you not know which play to call when they review for over 10 minutes?
New Theory: Andy was going for the FG anyway, but took the delay of game so people wouldn't talk all week about why they didn't go for the sneak.
Quote from: General_Failure on October 04, 2010, 02:08:43 PM
New Theory: Andy was going for the FG anyway, but took the delay of game so people wouldn't talk all week about why they didn't go for the sneak.
Other variations:
Andy was going to sneak, but Joe Banner called him on the sideline and told him to kick the FG "or else."
Banner actually called the clock operator and had them start running it early to help his plan to vault Howie Roseman to head coach.
The clock operator was on the take and/or a McNabb fan.
Andy is fat.
Also, Roseman was delighted that the 2011 pick the Eagles will get from the skins is more and more likely to be a 3rd rounder.
I am sure they are already figuring out ways to trade that 3rd round pick for 2 fourth round picks. GOTTA KEEP REBUILDING!
))<>((
Third and 1. Wildcat with Eldra Buckley at QB. Leading immediately to...
Fourth and 1. One yard missile pass to a covered TE. Turnover on downs.
It's like Reid can't help himself. He's the most pigheaded and self-destructive coach I've ever seen.
Quote from: rjs246 on October 11, 2010, 09:01:51 AM
Third and 1. Wildcat with Eldra Buckley at QB. Leading immediately to...
Fourth and 1. One yard missile pass to a covered TE. Turnover on downs.
If I hadn't completely given up all hope, I'd have been screaming at the TV. Its pointless to get upset anymore at his stupidity.
Wildcat with Eldra Buckley... I would be fine never hearing that again.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on October 11, 2010, 09:05:40 AM
Quote from: rjs246 on October 11, 2010, 09:01:51 AM
Third and 1. Wildcat with Eldra Buckley at QB. Leading immediately to...
Fourth and 1. One yard missile pass to a covered TE. Turnover on downs.
If I hadn't completely given up all hope, I'd have been screaming at the TV. Its pointless to get upset anymore at his stupidity.
:yay it's sad that we expect it.
Quote from: FastFreddie on October 11, 2010, 09:49:18 AM
Wildcat with Eldra Buckley... I would be fine never hearing that again.
I'd be happier to never hear "Eldra Buckley at halfback" again.
Quote from: Tomahawk on October 11, 2010, 10:57:30 AM
Quote from: FastFreddie on October 11, 2010, 09:49:18 AM
Wildcat with Eldra Buckley... I would be fine never hearing that again.
I'd be happier to never hear "Eldra Buckley at halfback" again.
Agreed.
I don't care much for the wildcat formation either; regardless of who's runnning it.
I'd rather have Eldra Buckley than Mike farging Bell.
Mike Bell runs like Reno Mahe.
FAST BELLS!
I hate you. :-D
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 11, 2010, 11:09:09 AM
I'd rather have Eldra Buckley than Mike farging Bell.
Mike Bell runs like Reno Mahe.
Mike Bell looks like he's going to fall over as soon as he takes the handoff, I understand RBs play with a lean to keep their body low but his is awful. They should have gotten Lynch
Quote from: rjs246 on October 11, 2010, 09:01:51 AM
Third and 1. Wildcat with Eldra Buckley at QB. Leading immediately to...
Fourth and 1. One yard missile pass to a covered TE. Turnover on downs.
I couldn't believe it. Shady had been getting good yardage the whole friggen' game, and you do this?? Even a Shady screen, WR screen to Pimp, a quick out to Celek, anyfriggen' thing but what he called. Anything.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 11, 2010, 11:09:09 AM
I'd rather have Eldra Buckley than Mike farging Bell.
Mike Bell runs like Reno Mahe.
I'd rather have Westbrook than either of those guys and I agree Westbrook is done.
A trade for Lynch would have been a good idea
Yeah why couldn't they keep Westbrook even as a backup? Better yet what is San Fran doing with him?
Quote from: shorebird on October 11, 2010, 11:25:55 AM
Quote from: rjs246 on October 11, 2010, 09:01:51 AM
Third and 1. Wildcat with Eldra Buckley at QB. Leading immediately to...
Fourth and 1. One yard missile pass to a covered TE. Turnover on downs.
I couldn't believe it. Shady had been getting good yardage the whole friggen' game, and you do this?? Even a Shady screen, WR screen to Pimp, a quick out to Celek, anyfriggen' thing but what he called. Anything.
Celek may have dropped it.
True, but at least it wouldn't have qualified for the "Boneheaded playcalls courtesy of Andy Reid" thread.
Celek had at least two passes he should have caught. I thought Kolb played really well and other than the boneheaded play at the end Shady is playing as well as any RB in the league right now.
Quote from: Magical_Retard on October 11, 2010, 11:36:29 AM
Yeah why couldn't they keep Westbrook even as a backup? Better yet what is San Fran doing with him?
They could have kept him. But there was no reason to keep someone who can't play a lick anymore.
Celek has hands of stone all of a sudden. Guy's head just wasn't in the game. I think he got a concussion.
Quote from: charlie on October 11, 2010, 08:45:03 PM
Quote from: Magical_Retard on October 11, 2010, 11:36:29 AM
Yeah why couldn't they keep Westbrook even as a backup? Better yet what is San Fran doing with him?
They could have kept him. But there was no reason to keep someone who can't play a lick anymore.
Eagles have tons of those types of players already on the team. And pretty sure Westbrook is still better than Bell. Oh well just hated seeing him in that San Fran uniform.
Bell may only get one yard per carry, but at least he'll play ten or more games this season.
Quote from: TexasEagle on October 11, 2010, 09:05:35 PM
Celek has hands of stone all of a sudden. Guy's head just wasn't in the game. I think he got a concussion.
less twittering and more catching would be a good thing
Andy Reid disciple special!
QuoteLast night Minnesota opened with a reverse pass from Randy Moss to Brett Favre, gaining 9 yards but overturned by a penalty -- as drawn up, the play was illegal. Set aside that the Vikings have 26 coaches, yet none of them knew, or bothered to check, the rule governing passing back to the quarterback. (The rule quirk is that to be an eligible receiver, a quarterback must line up at least 1 yard off the line of scrimmage; Favre lined up under center.) What was the point of having Moss throw a rinky-dink short pass to Favre, who is 41 years old and must stay uninjured for the Vikings to post a big season?
This could end with hilarious results. (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/10/13/andy-reid-getting-more-involved-with-philly-defense/)
maybe reid needs to give the defense a ray rhodes speech.
Andy could do anything: call goal line D on 3rd and longs, 7 DB's on 4th and goal, Eldra Buckley at MLB, this really opens things up for the Eagles D. How will opposing offenses be able to prepare???
Quote from: FastFreddie on October 12, 2010, 01:32:51 PM
Andy Reid disciple special!
QuoteLast night Minnesota opened with a reverse pass from Randy Moss to Brett Favre, gaining 9 yards but overturned by a penalty -- as drawn up, the play was illegal. Set aside that the Vikings have 26 coaches, yet none of them knew, or bothered to check, the rule governing passing back to the quarterback. (The rule quirk is that to be an eligible receiver, a quarterback must line up at least 1 yard off the line of scrimmage; Favre lined up under center.) What was the point of having Moss throw a rinky-dink short pass to Favre, who is 41 years old and must stay uninjured for the Vikings to post a big season?
There were far better examples of poor time management and poor play calling in that game but the one described above I think was designed to go deep but Moss saw that Harvin and Berrian were covered so he just dumped it to Favre who was streaking down the sideline towards Jenn. It wasn't designed that way.
I love that Chilly at least runs the ball but ever see how the Vikings drives are either all run or all pass? They will start off with a run, run, run, and then punt or pass, pass, pass, and punt. A friend who is a die-hard Vikings fan says its been that way since Chilly took over.
Quote from: Magical_Retard on October 13, 2010, 12:46:42 PM
Favre who was streaking down the sideline towards Jenn
Cute, but she doesn't work for the Jets anymore.
Quote from: smeags on October 13, 2010, 12:11:49 PM
maybe reid needs to give the defense a ray rhodes speech.
Just thinking about that makes me laugh. Him telling them that the opposing offense wants to break into their house and rape their wives would be funny to hear.
Even funnier when soft batch people on the defense, like Teo, start crying.
Last week was bad. The challenge at the inch yard line with a 1st down was a just retarded. How about with 1:00 to go he runs the same play twice, a play almost like it on the 3rd play. Then the penalty then backed up 3rd and long. Then he rolls Vick out and shortens the field and Vick get hit again. He cannot run anytime off the clock when he absolutely needs too. God I was so farging angry.
What's the beef with the Jackson end around and the fake end around?
Then a running play with the fake look end around again? It worked on first down, why do that kind of play at the end, those are set-up plays you show early not when you need to run the clock down and keep the ball from Peyton. Just seemed ridiculous to me.
he just got 10 yards on it and probably the last thing the Colts were expecting was the same play. I thought it was one of his better play calls.
Me too.
I thought it was a good call.
I was shocked as hell at the second reverse, and the Colts appeared to be too. I actually thought DeSean slid too early, could have picked up another first down if he'd ducked inside.
The first end around was probably one of Reid's best playcalls ever, especially considering that the Eagles were nursing a lead inside of 2 minutes. The 2nd one was a bit ballsy but it appeared to fool the Colts again, so I guess that makes it a good call.
they were both great calls, it's not even worth talking about
its a good call cause he got a first down. it was risky and otherwise a 3 and out drive when he needed to run the clock down and keep the ball from peyton. but you all fail to see the point. carry on...
Does it matter if they run an end around or cram Shady between the tackles? Both are runs and both keep the clock moving. They needed to get a first down. They were in 3rd and short prior to the penalty on Justice.
no dude, I see your point but the problem is, it worked beautifully both times
so you're wrong
yeah, no surprise that mussa is on the losing end of another retarded argument
I look at it like this.....Eagles needed to run out some clock and Reid called a play that got the ball into the hands of his best playmaker and the fastest guy on the team without throwing a pass. +1 for Reid. Good job, fatty.
both times? they got a first down on the first attempt. then went 3 and out. peyton had the ball with 40 to go.
they had a 3rd and two until Peters jumped offsides, what the farging hell are you talking about?
a third and two because the second call gained 8 f'n yards
what more do you want?
It was Justice but the point stands - they ran it and were in 3rd and short.
The second one went for six yards. Hard to imagine any other way they could have kept the ball on the ground and got six, considering that the Colts were selling out for a run up the middle.
six, eight, what the hell
this thread is about AWFUL calls
neither of the calls we are now discussing comes close to that moniker
Quote from: Diomedes on November 08, 2010, 06:42:57 PM
a third and two because the second call gained 8 f'n yards
what more do you want?
I think it's obvious that Reid should have thrown the ball on 3rd down.
even the failing third down call, which was not great, was not a failure on the scale appropriate for this thread
I just want to know why Reid can't win a friggin challenge. Is there 4 chimps up in the coaches box throwing bananas at each other watching those replays...seriously?
Who is that blind bitch making the calls?
I assume they're up in the booth yelling "You can't possibly win this one!" So, true to form, he gets stubborn and decides nobody's going to tell him he's wrong.
all that guy upstairs has to do is open the window and listen to the crowds reaction...but even his ass is stubborn.
my end was just to show another example of his awful ability to manage the clock. and to make it worse after that first end around, Vick snaps the ball with at least 5 seconds of the play clock remaining. peyton manning has led 45, 4th qtr game winning drives. giving him the ball with 20 seconds left is asking to lose. luckily though he sucked a huge one sunday.
throwin the replay flag on first down at the one inch line late in a close game was maybe the worst call since marty kicking off in ot
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 09, 2010, 07:53:42 AM
throwin the replay flag on first down at the one inch line late in a close game was maybe the worst call since marty kicking off in ot
agreed and a much better example then the two end arounds.
I dunno......the ball made contact with the pylon and moved it a little bit so I think he had a legit enough reason to challenge. And when it comes to potential scoring plays (where it isn't blatantly obvious there was no td) I don't really have a problem with him throwing the red flag. Hell, I remember seeing this team get stuffed on the goal line 2 or 3 times in a row in San Fran about 7 or 8 years ago so it's hard to look at a play like that and assume you'll just get in the endzone on the next play.
Reid has a history of making some boneheaded challenges, but I don't really fault him for that one.
i'm sure this has been mentioned but i enjoyed the end around to desean mere seconds after he just sprinted 60 yards to catch that perfect pass from vick. i mean he's great and all but give the dude a minute to breathe.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on November 09, 2010, 11:34:53 AM
I dunno......the ball made contact with the pylon and moved it a little bit so I think he had a legit enough reason to challenge. And when it comes to potential scoring plays (where it isn't blatantly obvious there was no td) I don't really have a problem with him throwing the red flag. Hell, I remember seeing this team get stuffed on the goal line 2 or 3 times in a row in San Fran about 7 or 8 years ago so it's hard to look at a play like that and assume you'll just get in the endzone on the next play.
they had three more chances to get in they didnt have to do it on the next play...they also had the best running qb in league history
there was literally no reason to challenge there...especially after andy saw the big screen replay it numerous times...its was clearly not even close to conclusive and all 70 thousand in the stadium knew it
there a million things that could have warranted challenging the call....among them
1. it wasnt late in the game
2. the game wasnt close
3. the eagles had all their timeouts left
4. the play was 100% conclusive
5. it was third or fourth down
6. you werent playing against a HOF qb
what wouldnt make that list is some random game from a thousand years ago where they were stuffed at the goaline
pretty much the situation was the exact opposite of all the above factors and he still went for it
but thats why the eagles never have timeouts at the end of the game
i was saying to sun at the game its just amazing how the other team somehow always has three and the eagles dont even usually have two they have zero or one
Who cares...they won
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on November 09, 2010, 11:49:16 AM
Who cares...they won
thats like saying who cares how bad the offensive line is they won the game
its not about the colts game its about the systematic botching of clock and timeout management that still and probably always will plague andy...its about games down the road that could be lost because of moves liek that
Games the WILL be lost because of moves liek that
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 09, 2010, 11:48:06 AM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on November 09, 2010, 11:34:53 AM
I dunno......the ball made contact with the pylon and moved it a little bit so I think he had a legit enough reason to challenge. And when it comes to potential scoring plays (where it isn't blatantly obvious there was no td) I don't really have a problem with him throwing the red flag. Hell, I remember seeing this team get stuffed on the goal line 2 or 3 times in a row in San Fran about 7 or 8 years ago so it's hard to look at a play like that and assume you'll just get in the endzone on the next play.
they had three more chances to get in they didnt have to do it on the next play...they also had the best running qb in league history
there was literally no reason to challenge there...especially after andy saw the big screen replay it numerous times...its was clearly not even close to conclusive and all 70 thousand in the stadium knew it
there a million things that could have warranted challenging the call....among them
1. it wasnt late in the game
2. the game wasnt close
3. the eagles had all their timeouts left
4. the play was 100% conclusive
5. it was third or fourth down
6. you werent playing against a HOF qb
what wouldnt make that list is some random game from a thousand years ago where they were stuffed at the goaline
pretty much the situation was the exact opposite of all the above factors and he still went for it
but thats why the eagles never have timeouts at the end of the game
i was saying to sun at the game its just amazing how the other team somehow always has three and the eagles dont even usually have two they have zero or one
I'm not saying that it was 100% the right call, in fact I'm not even saying that it was a good call.....I'm just saying that in comparison to his other challenges, this one is far from the worst. Was it obvious from the replay that he scored? No, so in that regard, you're right because the refs aren't going to overturn the call based on the replay. But I also don't have a big problem with trying to get the td without having to run another play.
I agree with those here who say Reid's challenge of the Avant non-touchdown was completely retarded in every way. Even winning it, he would have been without challenges for the rest of the game. And the Eagles had all the momentum, so a non-challenge would have set them up with 1st down on the half-foot line. Just ridiculous, and I'm glad it didn't cost them.
Anyone who thinks Reid made the right decision there is probably just a contrarian or a nimrod or both.
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 09, 2010, 11:52:43 AM
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on November 09, 2010, 11:49:16 AM
Who cares...they won
thats like saying who cares how bad the offensive line is they won the game
its not about the colts game its about the systematic botching of clock and timeout management that still and probably always will plague andy...its about games down the road that could be lost because of moves liek that
http://www.concretefield.info/forum/index.php?topic=21087.msg788522#msg788522
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on November 09, 2010, 12:09:13 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 09, 2010, 11:52:43 AM
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on November 09, 2010, 11:49:16 AM
Who cares...they won
thats like saying who cares how bad the offensive line is they won the game
its not about the colts game its about the systematic botching of clock and timeout management that still and probably always will plague andy...its about games down the road that could be lost because of moves liek that
http://www.concretefield.info/forum/index.php?topic=21087.msg788522#msg788522
:-D i knew this was coming.
There is nothing right about throwing a challenge flag that close of game with such blatant non-conclusive evidence on 600 ft jumbo screen .
You would think after getting tormented in newspapers and post pressers over these years of how important time outs are sin football games something would click.
Nothing.
and dont get me wrong i was going apeshtein when he threw the flag. Just a retarded move, but so typical of Andy. The Caldwell challenge on the next play only made me angrier. The refs were bullshtein, but Reid is still retarded when it comes to timeouts and challenges
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on November 09, 2010, 12:33:17 PM
The Caldwell challenge on the next play only made me angrier.
What made you angry about that? The ball was nowhere near the goal line on that first attempt. Or were you angry because you saw a coach properly use a challenge?
That the refs even thought it was a TD, when even when the play happened, it was clear that Vick never got close.
So in a game where the refs made a bunch of bad calls against the Eagles, you were mad that they made a bad call in favor of them?
Quote from: smeags on November 09, 2010, 12:11:16 PM
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on November 09, 2010, 12:09:13 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 09, 2010, 11:52:43 AM
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on November 09, 2010, 11:49:16 AM
Who cares...they won
thats like saying who cares how bad the offensive line is they won the game
its not about the colts game its about the systematic botching of clock and timeout management that still and probably always will plague andy...its about games down the road that could be lost because of moves liek that
http://www.concretefield.info/forum/index.php?topic=21087.msg788522#msg788522
:-D
unless you believe that the crew that worked the game on sunday is being paid to conspire against the eagles and that that same crew is going to ref every eagle game for the rest of the year OR andy reid is no longer the coach of the eagles i am having a hard time figuring out how complaining about a random call by a ref compares in any way to analyzing your teams head coach
Quote from: reese125 on November 09, 2010, 12:18:22 PM
There is nothing right about throwing a challenge flag that close of game with such blatant non-conclusive evidence on 600 ft jumbo screen .
it was just hilarious watching him watch the screen...reach for the flag...stop...reach again..stop
it was like the spalding booger scene in caddyshack..."20 bucks he throws it"
What i was showing is that you dont care about the refs because the eagles won, but Andy screwed up again yet they won, and its brought up? The refs blew from start to finish, and i cant recall them giving away two huge plays at the end of a half and the end of a game, not to mention blown calls all day for both sides.
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on November 09, 2010, 01:01:38 PM
What i was showing is that you dont care about the refs because the eagles won, but Andy screwed up again yet they won, and its brought up?
the refs dont coach or play for the eagles...because they won those bad calls literally mean nothing right now....andy the offensive line or dmitri patterson matter
unless you are suggesting that the team shouldnt be discussed or anaylzed unless they lose?
i can see complaining about calls in the game thread when they happen or post game if they cost them to lose a game
but a four page thread on the austin collie call after a win....i just dont get that one...
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 09, 2010, 01:07:26 PM
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on November 09, 2010, 01:01:38 PM
What i was showing is that you dont care about the refs because the eagles won, but Andy screwed up again yet they won, and its brought up?
the refs dont coach or play for the eagles...because they won those bad calls literally mean nothing right now....andy the offensive line or dmitri patterson matter
unless you are suggesting that the team shouldnt be discussed or anaylzed unless they lose?
i can see complaining about calls in the game thread when they happen or post game if they cost them to lose a game
but a four page thread on the austin collie call after a win....i just dont get that one...
It was a bullshtein call that clearly shows how the NFL is trying pussify itself. It's more than just this one call in this single game; it's going to be the norm
Its doesn't matter when Reid calls for a challenge, it won't be overturned. I don't know if they keep track of these overall, but Reid has to have one of the worst challenge records of all time. I kind of remember once where he "won" a challenge and it wound up being a worse result than the original play.
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 09, 2010, 01:07:26 PM
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on November 09, 2010, 01:01:38 PM
What i was showing is that you dont care about the refs because the eagles won, but Andy screwed up again yet they won, and its brought up?
the refs dont coach or play for the eagles...because they won those bad calls literally mean nothing right now....andy the offensive line or dmitri patterson matter
unless you are suggesting that the team shouldnt be discussed or anaylzed unless they lose?
i can see complaining about calls in the game thread when they happen or post game if they cost them to lose a game
but a four page thread on the austin collie call after a win....i just dont get that one...
There's a couple problems with that call though. You even said yourself that it was the incorrect call because he wasn't defenseless when he got hit. So that's one part of the problem. The other part is if you look at the big picture here, this is a league wide issue with refs, not just the crew that officated this game. The NFL has put such an emphasis on this stuff with the refs that they are going to call anything even remotely close even though it is clearly the wrong call. So even though a different crew will be calling the game next week in DC, the officials working it will still probably have the same mindset going in and could very well make that same type of call when it isn't warranted.
It's not like this was a bad pass interference call, because if it was, then I'd be in complete agreement with you at this point. Refs are calling these personal fouls more and more because the league is pushing them to. That's the problem as I see it.
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 09, 2010, 01:07:26 PM
but a four page thread on the austin collie call after a win....i just dont get that one...
people want to discuss it, you don't. move on.
The Trent Cole Roughing the passer was more concerning, that was a HUGE sack/fumble at a key part of the game
That's much more clear cut though. Hands to the helmet will always draw a flag. That's nothing new
Quote from: charlie on November 09, 2010, 01:12:57 PM
Its doesn't matter when Reid calls for a challenge, it won't be overturned. I don't know if they keep track of these overall, but Reid has to have one of the worst challenge records of all time. I kind of remember once where he "won" a challenge and it wound up being a worse result than the original play.
They do. I believe he does. Not sure where to find it though.
Am I missing something here with this hand to the helmet penalty? Has anyone tried to slap/punch a helmet in their lifetime? It pretty easy....you're farging hand hurts, not the other way around.
Quote from: Tomahawk on November 09, 2010, 01:20:09 PM
That's much more clear cut though. Hands to the helmet will always draw a flag. That's nothing new
this has been talking point number one over the last 48 hrs on almost every station by every talkiing head....but its just not true...i have seen tons of plays over the years where a qb's head gets grazed and theres no call
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 09, 2010, 01:31:53 PM
Quote from: Tomahawk on November 09, 2010, 01:20:09 PM
That's much more clear cut though. Hands to the helmet will always draw a flag. That's nothing new
this has been talking point number one over the last 48 hrs on almost every station by every talkiing head....but its just not true...i have seen tons of plays over the years where a qb's head gets grazed and theres no call
yeah but was it jehovah manning ?
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 09, 2010, 01:31:53 PM
Quote from: Tomahawk on November 09, 2010, 01:20:09 PM
That's much more clear cut though. Hands to the helmet will always draw a flag. That's nothing new
this has been talking point number one over the last 48 hrs on almost every station by every talkiing head....but its just not true...i have seen tons of plays over the years where a qb's head gets grazed and theres no call
I've seen plenty of plays where it is called too. I agree it doesn't get called all the time, but it does get called plenty of times. Cole has earned this penalty before
Quote from: smeags on November 09, 2010, 01:36:41 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 09, 2010, 01:31:53 PM
Quote from: Tomahawk on November 09, 2010, 01:20:09 PM
That's much more clear cut though. Hands to the helmet will always draw a flag. That's nothing new
this has been talking point number one over the last 48 hrs on almost every station by every talkiing head....but its just not true...i have seen tons of plays over the years where a qb's head gets grazed and theres no call
yeah but was it jehovah manning ?
Serious business. (http://www.phillygameday.com/2010/11/eagles-cole-flagged-for-use-of-hands-on-a-peyton-manning/)
Quote"As a league, we have to start cutting down on the number of hand-to-helmet taps on the Peyton Manning and the Tom Brady."
Asante Samuel will likely also face a fine by the NFL after illegally touching two Manning passes before the offense was given a chance to catch and run it in for a touchdown.
:-D
That's funny.
Andy, don't forget to use a timeout to prevent the delay of game on 3rd and 18... then run the ball anyway.
Take the FG down 15 late in the 4th! Yes!
Super. Bowl.
Quote from: FastFreddie on November 28, 2010, 08:11:16 PM
Take the FG down 15 late in the 4th! Yes!
there was still over 5.5 min to go. it was like what 4th and 15? You have to play the percentages on a play like that. he's an idiot, but I cant blame him for taking the points there. you look to force a turnover on the kickoff/onsides..or whatever.
Quote from: reese125 on November 29, 2010, 09:48:52 AM
Quote from: FastFreddie on November 28, 2010, 08:11:16 PM
Take the FG down 15 late in the 4th! Yes!
there was still over 5.5 min to go. it was like what 4th and 15? You have to play the percentages on a play like that. he's an idiot, but I cant blame him for taking the points there. you look to force a turnover on the kickoff/onsides..or whatever.
There was 4:47 left, and the Eagles only had two timeouts. You have to trust your offense to make the miracle play.
Quote from: reese125 on November 29, 2010, 09:48:52 AM
Quote from: FastFreddie on November 28, 2010, 08:11:16 PM
Take the FG down 15 late in the 4th! Yes!
there was still over 5.5 min to go. it was like what 4th and 15? You have to play the percentages on a play like that. he's an idiot, but I cant blame him for taking the points there. you look to force a turnover on the kickoff/onsides..or whatever.
The 3 points did nothing though. It was a two score game before and after the field goal
Quote from: Tomahawk on November 29, 2010, 10:25:23 AM
Quote from: reese125 on November 29, 2010, 09:48:52 AM
Quote from: FastFreddie on November 28, 2010, 08:11:16 PM
Take the FG down 15 late in the 4th! Yes!
there was still over 5.5 min to go. it was like what 4th and 15? You have to play the percentages on a play like that. he's an idiot, but I cant blame him for taking the points there. you look to force a turnover on the kickoff/onsides..or whatever.
The 3 points did nothing though. It was a two score game before and after the field goal
Exactly. It would be different if they were down 14. Then the FG makes it a TD with 2pt/FG two-score game. But the Eagles still needed two TD's after that one, which is why it didn't make a lick of sense.
Quote from: Tomahawk on November 29, 2010, 10:25:23 AM
Quote from: reese125 on November 29, 2010, 09:48:52 AM
Quote from: FastFreddie on November 28, 2010, 08:11:16 PM
Take the FG down 15 late in the 4th! Yes!
there was still over 5.5 min to go. it was like what 4th and 15? You have to play the percentages on a play like that. he's an idiot, but I cant blame him for taking the points there. you look to force a turnover on the kickoff/onsides..or whatever.
The 3 points did nothing though. It was a two score game before and after the field goal
At the time of the play, I felt the same way. When the Eagles were going for an osk with a little less than 2 min left and down by 5 I changed my tune a little. When its all said and done, the Eagles were in a position where they needed a miracle play.....either a 4th and 15 TD against a very good defense or an osk recovery. Not to mention that without kicking the FG, they would have needed a 2 pt conversion.
I'm all for trashing Reid when he does stupid shtein, but the truth is that he probably made the best decision to take the FG.
I dn't understand how they don't go for it on 4th with like 7 mins left on the Bears 3? You have Mike Vick. Then the next drive yes, go for the field goal on 4th and 18 because there is no way your getting the TD. Then they hit Celek for 7. Thats the game! Desean catches that TD, it's game. Bad coaching and bad play by your "play maker".
Quote from: mussa on November 29, 2010, 10:43:26 AM
I dn't understand how they don't go for it on 4th with like 7 mins left on the Bears 3? You have Mike Vick. Then the next drive yes, go for the field goal on 4th and 18 because there is no way your getting the TD. Then they hit Celek for 7. Thats the game! Desean catches that TD, it's game. Bad coaching and bad play by your "play maker".
I don't remember for sure, but wasn't it 4th and real long, like 4th and 20? If so I'd do the same thing. If not though, I'd go for it too after burning 2 time outs to think about it.
I didn't have a problem kicking the FG, but if you kick it, you need to go for the onsides kick after that, not kick it deep.
Quote from: Eagaholic on November 29, 2010, 03:17:13 PM
Quote from: mussa on November 29, 2010, 10:43:26 AM
I dn't understand how they don't go for it on 4th with like 7 mins left on the Bears 3? You have Mike Vick. Then the next drive yes, go for the field goal on 4th and 18 because there is no way your getting the TD. Then they hit Celek for 7. Thats the game! Desean catches that TD, it's game. Bad coaching and bad play by your "play maker".
I don't remember for sure, but wasn't it 4th and real long, like 4th and 20? If so I'd do the same thing. If not though, I'd go for it too after burning 2 time outs to think about it.
No that was the drive after the one I am referring too. They kicked on Bears 3 farging yard line. Yeah there is a lot of time left but with Vick I think you go for it. Really is Desean holds onto that TD it's our game.
Challenge flag grafted to hand/pocket all game 12/19/2010
andy reid not challenging an obvious non fumble by jackson giving the giants the ball back with good field position in the 4th quarter down 2 TD's for the division lead.
Ha! :-D
Throw that mutherfarging flag, you fat motherfarging farg!
Two non-challenges led to 14 points by the Gints!
Let's assume that Bobby April overruled Andy on that onside kick.
Best Andy Reid press conference ever
so how much did the finish to this game let andy reid off the hook
me and my boy were talking non stop when it was 24-3 and 31-10 about how pouty mcnabb would have been
the shot of vick on the sideline after the macklin touchdown was so money...he wasnt even remotely happy...he knew it was pathetic how down they still were in the game
ill tell you what also....coughlins demeanor in this game went a long way towards the giants choking....say what you want about andy but his persona keeps the team in check...whereas red cheeked spaz coughlin tightens his team up so much where thet are so scared to make mistakes
luckiest coach ever.
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 19, 2010, 08:43:47 PM
so how much did the finish to this game let andy reid off the hook
For real.
while we are at it can we add sav rocca to the get out of jail free card list?
Everybody gets a pass for the week.
Lots of goats overlooked because of how the game turned out.
I think I was angrier at Reid then I've ever been today. Tosses challenge flags for dumb shtein his whole career and he decides not to challenge an obvious play with 12 minutes left? No excuse for that.
All money now. Take down the 2 seed, hopefully grab the Bears at the Linc in the 2nd round.
does the no challenge on the pimp fumble fall below the 2 random spot challenges last year against dallas?
to my knowledge that had to be single worst andy in game decision which is obviously saying something
Andy gave them 21 points... the first refusal to challenge on that dropped pass on 3rd down leading to the giants first td.. then the ridiculous playcall with 20 seconds left in the half... followed up by the refusal to challenge the desean fumble...
oh well.. all gravy now.
Quote from: MDS on December 19, 2010, 09:33:05 PM
does the no challenge on the pimp fumble fall below the 2 random spot challenges last year against dallas?
to my knowledge that had to be single worst andy in game decision which is obviously saying something
Coupled with the no challenge on 3rd down on the Giants first TD drive on the ball Nicks dropped. I can see an argument for no challenge there, though I think that was incomplete, but to not challenge the Jackson fumble is absolutely inexcusable.
Quote from: MDS on December 19, 2010, 09:33:05 PM
does the no challenge on the pimp fumble fall below the 2 random spot challenges last year against dallas?
to my knowledge that had to be single worst andy in game decision which is obviously saying something
it was the worst non challenge call ive ever seen in my life...it would have been a normal bad call if they were down by three....down by 14 in the FIRST HALF its a no brainer...the dooks up in the box have nothing to do with it....the flag flies right away
how much of a nightmare would it have been if the eagles lost this game and all week on espn instead of watching highlites of pimp straddling the goal line and red cheeked coach yelling at punter we instead had to watch andy reids green bay ring put a red flag back in his fat love handled challenged pocket
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 19, 2010, 08:49:09 PM
me and my boy were talking non stop when it was 24-3 and 31-10 about how pouty mcnabb would have been
the shot of vick on the sideline after the macklin touchdown was so money...he wasnt even remotely happy...he knew it was pathetic how down they still were in the game
ill tell you what also....coughlins demeanor in this game went a long way towards the giants choking....say what you want about andy but his persona keeps the team in check...whereas red cheeked spaz coughlin tightens his team up so much where thet are so scared to make mistakes
You know when Coughlin's REALLY pissed when he puts his hands on his hips.
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 19, 2010, 09:44:18 PM
it was the worst non challenge call ive ever seen in my life...it would have been a normal bad call if they were down by three....down by 14 in the FIRST HALF its a no brainer...the dooks up in the box have nothing to do with it....the flag flies right away
Exactly. It doesn't matter what the booth is saying at that point. You challenge. What a dipshtein.
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 19, 2010, 08:43:47 PM
so how much did the finish to this game let andy reid off the hook
Biggest off the hook turnaround ever.
It was infuriating to see him tuck the flag back in his pocket. Even WITHOUT one of the slackers in the box designated to look for replays opinions, he HAS to throw the flag on a play that monumental.
I hated his fat farging walrus face when he tucked the flag.
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 19, 2010, 09:44:18 PM
Quote from: MDS on December 19, 2010, 09:33:05 PM
does the no challenge on the pimp fumble fall below the 2 random spot challenges last year against dallas?
to my knowledge that had to be single worst andy in game decision which is obviously saying something
it was the worst non challenge call ive ever seen in my life...it would have been a normal bad call if they were down by three....down by 14 in the FIRST HALF its a no brainer...the dooks up in the box have nothing to do with it....the flag flies right away
how much of a nightmare would it have been if the eagles lost this game and all week on espn instead of watching highlites of pimp straddling the goal line and red cheeked coach yelling at punter we instead had to watch andy reids green bay ring put a red flag back in his fat love handled challenged pocket
it was the second half (down by 14 early 4th qtr i believe), but yes ... its somethings were not talking about even though we sort of should be.
yeah it was the third drive of the second half...i dont know what i was thinking...the main point tho is that saving timeouts there should have been the least thing you were worried about....yes they came back and won but no one on earth thought that was gonna happen...you have to try and keep the ball there
Yeah I thought the Eagles had a chance until that utterly MORONIC decision by Reid.
Quote from: QB Eagles on December 19, 2010, 03:40:36 PM
and that's ballgame
farg you andy
Still cant believe the eagles won that shtein. This is the greatest. Forget all of Pimp's other amazing accomplishments, ReidCo owes him huge money for this huge bailout alone.
your quote qb is verbatim what we were sayin at the bar
Yep I turned to my buddies and angrily screamed about Reid and the game being over.
My girl actually got up and left. Had to go get her late in the game since everyone thought it was done.
The most amazing game I have seen. The eagles won in spite of the coach :-D
Ok, he gets a -1 for the game. Two missed challenges but a brilliant decision here:
QuoteHead coach Andy Reid told April to be ready for the onsides kick after Jeremy Maclin scored the first of his two touchdowns in the third quarter. After Michael Vick's 65-yard touchdown pass to tight end Brent Celek made the score 31-17, Reid sought out April.
"Are we ready for it?" Reid asked.
"I said, yeah. Absolutely. The guys are prepared," April said. "He said let's do it."
gotta admit i wondered why reid wanted to try to drive down the field at the end of the 1st half.
meh.
I was arguing with my dad over that. He thought taking a knee was the better choice. I thought it showed belief in the team to make something happen if nothing else. It backfired, but the non-overturn was complete bullshtein, so I don't blame Reid for it.
yeah i hear that side of it but the eagles couldn't do anything really to that point and i thought it would be better to just call it a half and try to regroup. just get ready for the 2nd half as the eagles were receiving the ball.
but yeah, the non-overturn was complete shtein.
call it a push then ?
yeah cause andy is so awesome at making halftime adjustments
Quote from: smeags on December 20, 2010, 12:39:24 PM
yeah i hear that side of it but the eagles couldn't do anything really to that point and i thought it would be better to just call it a half and try to regroup. just get ready for the 2nd half as the eagles were receiving the ball.
but yeah, the non-overturn was complete shtein.
call it a push then ?
I disagree. It's pretty clear to me that this team can score from anywhere on the field. Losers take a knee to regroup at halftime. Winners try to win.
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 20, 2010, 12:41:17 PM
yeah cause andy is so awesome at making halftime adjustments
You can't even credit the second half offense to Reid and Morningwood. They basically went with the same scheme but Vick played the X factor.
McDermott deserves credit for his second half adjustments. Why he didn't stick with what worked the first time in the first half I don't know, but his blitzes started to get there and Manning sucks when he has people in his face. Domowitch broke the D's performance down with this article:
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/20101220_Paul_Domowitch__Between_the_tackles__Defense_takes_aggressive_approach_in_second_half.html
Quote from: FastFreddie on December 20, 2010, 12:43:00 PM
Quote from: smeags on December 20, 2010, 12:39:24 PM
yeah i hear that side of it but the eagles couldn't do anything really to that point and i thought it would be better to just call it a half and try to regroup. just get ready for the 2nd half as the eagles were receiving the ball.
but yeah, the non-overturn was complete shtein.
call it a push then ?
I disagree. It's pretty clear to me that this team can score from anywhere on the field. Losers take a knee to regroup at halftime. Winners try to win.
Truth
Quote from: SD on December 20, 2010, 12:50:59 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 20, 2010, 12:41:17 PM
yeah cause andy is so awesome at making halftime adjustments
You can't even credit the second half offense to Reid and Morningwood. They basically went with the same scheme but Vick played the X factor.
McDermott deserves credit for his second half adjustments. Why he didn't stick with what worked the first time in the first half I don't know, but his blitzes started to get there and Manning sucks when he has people in his face. Domowitch broke the D's performance down with this article:
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/20101220_Paul_Domowitch__Between_the_tackles__Defense_takes_aggressive_approach_in_second_half.html
I wonder if McDermott is so jaded by the secondary that he's scared to blitz when/ as often as he should. In addition to having the corners play the softest coverage I've ever seen they rarely blitz when they should. I'm thinking that's a big part of why the 3rd down and red zone D is so pathetic.
The Giants run a traditional offense. They run the ball and set up the play action fake. They used a lot of max protection schemes against the Eagles. You can't give Eli Manning time to pick you apart. He panics when he sees blitzes coming, most of his picks are just dumb throws where he rushes getting rid of the ball because he sees pressure coming. The pass rush was better the second half but it's not like they were dominant, they just forced goof face to hurry his throws.
Holy shtein... Apparently part of the surprise onside kick call on Sunday was a guy running off the field at the last minute to create confusion. (http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/moving_the_chains/Eagles_executed_onside.html)
Maybe Bobby April is really good after all.
that would of sucked for Cousin Billy if they threw flag on that play because he was gone out the door with his shirt off when Jackson was on the 40.
matter of fact this was pretty much my reaction
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcbaqY01QLs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcbaqY01QLs)
is that you?
that was every single one of us
Quote from: reese125 on December 21, 2010, 11:29:31 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcbaqY01QLs[/url]
the comments on that video on the right are cracking me up.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUPnvGKbfkQ&feature=related
Quote from: Die-Hard on December 21, 2010, 11:55:27 AM
that was every single one of us
I told my room mate I'd slam my headf through the front door if Desean ran this one back. I ddin't though.
Quote from: SD on December 21, 2010, 12:04:10 PM
Quote from: Die-Hard on December 21, 2010, 11:55:27 AM
that was every single one of us
I told my room mate I'd slam my headf through the front door if Desean ran this one back. I ddin't though.
i went nuts and had to go out and yell to me steeler loving neighbors. sucks for them they had nothing to yell about later on.
Quote from: SD on December 21, 2010, 11:42:52 AM
is that you?
Nah man.
I wish I was lucky enough to catch my reaction on video. You also wouldn't see me posting it on CF either.
Somewhere inbetween my screaming and running through the house, I finally heard Mrs. Feva telling me to shut the farg up because I was scaring the boys.
That woman... she'll never understand.
there were people walking along the sidewalk in georgetown by the bar we were at who said they honestly thought there was a fire or huge fight inside because of all the screaming and they swear the window frames on the outside of the place were moving
the upstairs floor was moving after the mack td...i honestly feared for the integrity of the building if pimp ran that punt back...then when it happened i wasnt even thinking about it nor did i care
OK, so here is my story of the game.
I had a bunch of stuff to get done after the game, in a short period of time. So when it was 31-10, I figured I'd go and start doing it and listen to some in the car and watch on Red Zone from my phone while at the grocery store (which I've done before). Long story short, I watched some in the car in the parking lot, then in the middle of Acme and saw the Vick and Maclin TDs. I kind of stopped and was standing just watching my phone freaking out.
When DeSean ran the punt back, I was literally jumping up and down screaming and yelling like a madwoman in the middle of Acme. There was another guy and his wife watching on my phone with me...also hugging and screaming and going crazy. People were seeing what was going on, and they all started celebrating. It was madness.
The manager, after making sure I wasn't being mugged (or that I wasn't some psycho having a meltdown in his store), went on the PA and said, "The Eagles have just made the most amazing comeback ever and beat the Giants".
You used to be IGY and you're turning into Diomedes.
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 21, 2010, 03:14:01 PM
there were people walking along the sidewalk in georgetown by the bar we were at who said they honestly thought there was a fire or huge fight inside because of all the screaming and they swear the window frames on the outside of the place were moving
the upstairs floor was moving after the mack td...i honestly feared for the integrity of the building if pimp ran that punt back...then when it happened i wasnt even thinking about it nor did i care
You should have seen some of the looks I was getting on M street. The fur coat crowd thought I was insane.
I was never either, and you should be flogged for that post
I flog myself daily regardless.
Quote from: FastFreddie on December 21, 2010, 04:52:13 PM
You used to be IGY and you're turning into Diomedes.
lol first funny FF post EVER
great, get ready for a barrage now...
he's like shane victorino, he hits one homerun and he's swinging for the fences for weeks.
Lightbulbhead says Reid is coach of the year (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=clayton_john&id=5946247)
The Eagles are better than anyone predicted but I'd have to go with Morris in Tampa or Haley in KC. Although I will say that I think this has probably been Reid's most impressive year.
vick is coach of the year
Reid sucks, his playcalling and decisions in the NYG game were unforgivable! Luckily Vick has the skills to overcome that waste of a life.
I'm easing off on Reid these days. Donovan was a much bigger problem than I thought. He's flawed, but I'm not hammering at him right now.
Quote from: Diomedes on December 27, 2010, 05:55:59 PM
I'm easing off on Reid these days. Donovan was a much bigger problem than I thought. He's flawed, but I'm not hammering at him right now.
Agree with this. If anything I've gained a lot of respect for Reid...not so much as a gameday coach, but that he went so far above and beyond to coddle little Donny, who - like a spoiled brat - never fully appreciated what Reid did for him.
Quote from: Diomedes on December 27, 2010, 05:55:59 PM
I'm easing off on Reid these days. Donovan was a much bigger problem than I thought. He's flawed, but I'm not hammering at him right now.
I'm leaning this way too. Reid still has his deficiencies but hes been pretty good this year. He sucks at challenging but a lot of that has to do with his coaches upstairs. The offense seems to run alot more smooth with either Vick or Kolb, especially in the no huddle.
I'm still a 5 fan but it's become increasingly evident that McNabb was by far a bigger reason for this teams short comings than Reid.
And here I was all excited to he the only one thinking this way. Reid is still awful at time management and challenges but its becoming clear that much of the in game nonsense we've experienced over the years was Donovan more than Andy.
I don't know if it was Donovan more than Andy, or just the fact that Vick and his athletic abilities/new found QBing abilities are just better than McNabb's were, at least in his last few years.
Andy's still making retarded play calls and decisions.
Where he deserves praise is his work with quaterbacks. He turned AJ into a 2nd round pick. McNabb. Kolb looked pathetic his first couple years in TC and preseason, but he came out this year with more zip, more accuracy, quick timing, etc. And now he's turned Vick into a completely different QB. Not to mention he was Favre's QB coach.
for three years ive been trying to tell you guys this...reid is not a good gameday coach but hes not the devil everyone has tried to make him out to be...especially when it comes to the run/pass thing that everyone loves to harp on...
and hes off the charts awesome in every other aspect of coaching
Quote from: rjs246 on December 27, 2010, 06:23:44 PMAnd here I was all excited to he the only one thinking this way.
I cannot lie: I stole your opinion.
Thank you.
With 2 extra days, he couldn't figure out Joe farging Webb...making his first farging Webbing start.
young quarterbacks who can run are always a problem
how many farging times is Juqua Parker get shook out of his jock when he had Webb 1 on 1?
Didn't one of the defensive guys say during the week that they were preparing for Favre? So I guess they were waiting the whole game for the lame duck ball to pick off, and it never came.
This whole gameplan was a fargin joke, offense and defense. Refargindiculous!!
Quote from: SunMo on December 28, 2010, 11:31:44 PM
young quarterbacks who can run are always a problem
how many farging times is Juqua Parker get shook out of his jock when he had Webb 1 on 1?
I counted 4 but it might have been more. Parker's worst game as an Eagle.
Quote from: EagleFeva on December 28, 2010, 11:30:04 PM
With 2 extra days, he couldn't figure out Joe farging Webb...making his first farging Webbing start.
if they were game planning for joe webb then they have bigger problems than any of us can even imagine
The offensive gameplan last night was just f'ing awful. Teams are obviously throwing the kitchen sink at Vick and he was obviously off his game. The best thing to do to curb that is to run the ball right at the defense. I'm not as gun ho about Reid's Run/Pass ratio these days as I used to be, but last night against an inferior opponent he needed to run.
ahhhhh yes, when something was really on the line reid and company once again come through with flying colors.
Quote from: rjs246 on December 29, 2010, 08:17:27 AM
The offensive gameplan last night was just f'ing awful. Teams are obviously throwing the kitchen sink at Vick and he was obviously off his game. The best thing to do to curb that is to run the ball right at the defense. I'm not as gun ho about Reid's Run/Pass ratio these days as I used to be, but last night against an inferior opponent he needed to run.
he could have run more but the blitzes were also killing the run game not just the pass...when shady got the ball most times there was like three vikings flying in behind the line of scrimmage...better blocking would help...picking up blitzes i would imagine will be a center of attention in practice over the next week and a half
what the farg has happened to the eagles screen game...if there is anywhere the eagles miss the bedwetter this might be the place...vick doesnt sell the screen nearly as well as donnie....for the most part their screen execution has sucked this year....and because of that they now run them a lot less
Teams are covering the Eagles deep and bringing pressure because they know Vick likes to scramble and the Eagles like to throw the ball deep. If the run game isn't working the best way to exploit this is to focus on the middle routes, hope for some YAC, and start hitting check downs until the defense adjusts. On the drives where the Eagles actually moved the ball this is what they did. I see nothing wrong with moving the ball this way but the Eagles keep airing it out 30 yards down field. When they focus on moving the chains and not scoring a big TD on every play they're decent (when Vick doesn't fumble).
I would have thought Celek and Avant would have had a lot of open space in the 8-15 yard range in the middle of the field as well. I can only hope that the lack of adjustment is some sort of ploy to throw off their wild-card round opponent in film study.
Exactly, they didn't start 3 step passing until second half. Its so frustrating to be able to see what the D is throwing at them and then they do absolutely nothing to adjust until its too late. In the meantime Vick is getting hammered out there, this has been going on ever since the Bears game. They need to hit the receivers quick and just stop the half ass play action nonsense. Every fargin coach in the league knows they can't help themselves when it comes to the pass play and the big pass play. This kind of bullheaded faith based coaching will lead to another epic failure in the playoffs. The only difference this year has been Mike Vick and his ability to run for the 1st. Nothing has changed otherwise. There is no reason to praise Reid, he's the same old idiot, he's just riding a better horse.
Quote from: mussa on December 29, 2010, 10:38:47 AM
There is no reason to praise Reid, he's the same old idiot, he's just riding a better horse.
Quote from: SD on December 29, 2010, 10:03:05 AM
Teams are covering the Eagles deep and bringing pressure because they know Vick likes to scramble and the Eagles like to throw the ball deep. If the run game isn't working the best way to exploit this is to focus on the middle routes, hope for some YAC, and start hitting check downs until the defense adjusts. On the drives where the Eagles actually moved the ball this is what they did. I see nothing wrong with moving the ball this way but the Eagles keep airing it out 30 yards down field. When they focus on moving the chains and not scoring a big TD on every play they're decent (when Vick doesn't fumble).
I thought the vikings defense put more of a press coverage on the outside no? I could be wrong. I saw them blitzing the edge with a corner with the LB's either containing the 2 gaps or having one blitz with the other in coverage.
Yeah you leave over top the LB's exposed to the TE and slot receiver, but the Vikings could afford to give that up because of the front 4 pressure. Marty better adjust real quick because this is turning into an easy trend for the good defenses and a new hip for Vick.
probably couldnt see it as well on tv but vikings basically played a soft two deep the whole game...even when they did press they had a safety over the top everytime
A lot of teams play press coverage against the Eagles WRs and leave their safeties deep or in an over the top zone coverage so they don't get beat deep. This is a perfect strategy because the Eagles WRs are the least physical WRs in the league and they have great deep speed, add into the mix Reid/More-hen-weg not adjusting their game plan and they become very predictable.
How to beat the Eagles offense:
Keep your safeties deep
Blitz, Blitz, Blitz
Box either your end or a LB/CB so Vick can't get outside the pocket
Watch and laugh as Andy hammers his circle peg into the square hole
McGlynn (yeah he's an idiot) said they were playing vanilla on offense. I'd like to believe that as a set up for the playoffs except this game meant something and I don't think Reid has the foresight to pull something like that off.
mcglynn really is a dope
like reid is going to reinvent his offense over the next 10 days?....a new wrinkle here or there sure...but so is everyone else in the nfl...
bottom line at this time of year and especially with veteran coaches like reid everyone knows essentially what you are going to do...you just have to call the right plays at the right time and then execute...thats what new england does...they rarely ever change their playbook on offense...they just execute the farg out of it
New England (better than any team in league history) works with their players strengths to maximize their offense. They're not afraid to dink and dunk and run early because they know that will set things up later. I don't mind the deep pass every now and then to keep defenses off balance and honest, but that can't be your meat and potatoes offensively.
It pains me to say it but Belichick is an outright genius. He works and tinkers with these low draft pick/FA/cast off vets roster every year and is always in contention and is almost always the team to fear going into the playoffs. Granted Brady is the best QB in the business the past 10 years but what Belicheck does in New England is incredible.
Reid not primarily to blame for yesterday's loss (http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/20110110_Sam_Donnellon__Reid_misfires__but_Eagles_loss_not_all_his_fault.html)
Quote from: Don Ho on December 30, 2010, 04:25:18 AM
It pains me to say it but Belichick is an outright genius. He works and tinkers with these low draft pick/FA/cast off vets roster every year and is always in contention and is almost always the team to fear going into the playoffs. Granted Brady is the best QB in the business the past 10 years but what Belicheck does in New England is incredible.
Belicheck does it on the defensive side too
Quote from: FastFreddie on January 10, 2011, 03:55:35 PM
Reid not primarily to blame for yesterday's loss (http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/20110110_Sam_Donnellon__Reid_misfires__but_Eagles_loss_not_all_his_fault.html)
Quote[watch] 330-pound King Dunlap replace Justice mostly because he took longer for Matthews to run around
hahaha
Quote from: FastFreddie on January 10, 2011, 03:55:35 PM
Reid not primarily to blame for yesterday's loss (http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/20110110_Sam_Donnellon__Reid_misfires__but_Eagles_loss_not_all_his_fault.html)
Or is he? (http://www.slate.com/id/2280442/entry/2280722/)
QuoteAs the weekend's goats go, David Akers is far down the list. Yeah, he blew two makeable field goals—but the second one, in particular, he had no business even trying. The Eagles were down 11, with 13 minutes remaining, and sure, according to whatever combinatorial flow chart Andy Reid may have been consulting, a field goal plus a touchdown plus a two-point conversion would have tied the game.
But it was fourth-and-1, down on Green Bay's 16-yard line, and the Eagles had been playing from behind all day. Even speaking in abstract tactical terms, there was a strong case for leaving Akers on the sideline. Touchdown opportunities are harder to come by (and more time-consuming to get) than field goal opportunities. Who knew when the Eagles might get another look at the end zone?
Under the emotional logic of that particular football game, though, the decision was even worse. The Eagles had done nothing all day to knock the Packers back on their heels. Here was a chance to put the screws to Green Bay for the first time—in booth-speak, to "force them to make plays." And, as we know but so often forget, settling for a field-goal try is not the same thing as settling for three points. Even so, Reid sent out the kicking team.
Andy Reid! Did I mention that it's hard to be good at all parts of football at once? I still cuss at the TV, but after more than a decade of this stuff, I've made my peace with Reid. He is an excellent football coach who happens to be bad at calling football games. He is stupendously good at preparation, arranging his personnel, motivating players, and all sorts of scheming and invisible stuff beyond normal people's ken. There's a reason his Eagles are undefeated in games after bye weeks—give Andy Reid an extra week to think about a game, and he'll come up with a winning plan. Hell, he was all tied up with Bill Belichick's Patriots at halftime of the Super Bowl.
Then, oh, the second half. Given a shorter time frame for thinking—a normal week between games, halftime of a football game, or, God help us, a two-minute drill—Reid's slow, powerful coaching brain is like an aircraft carrier in a speedboat race. Other coaches out-adjust Reid on the fly all the time. Ninety percent of casual fans believe, not without reason, that they have a better sense of when to call timeout or throw a challenge flag than Reid does.
But would those other coaches (let alone the fans) have been able to go 10-6 and win the division with this year's Eagles? Or take nine trips to the playoffs in the past 11 years? Why was a team with no pass defense even able to be out there to make a wrong field-goal decision against a better team? You take the bad with the good.
reid was absolutely the reason they lost the green bay game altho not because of anything he did in the green bay game (altho sending out akers there was hideous)...reid lost the green bay game when he put a woefully underprepared and not ready team out on the field and lost at home to an assed out viking team...so instead of having a bye and a home divisional round game they had to face a team that was better than them in the wild card round...season didnt end sunday it ended last tuesday
Sure would have been nice to be waiting for the Seahawks in Philly this weekend.
Marshawn Lynch agrees with you.