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Anyway it's either the Caps or the Flyers for the outdoor game at Fenway next year. Most likely they choose igy's boy but maybe that Jew Snider can work something out.

Fun week for Gagne: first son born on Tuesday, hip surgery on Wednesday (http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/20090529_Flyers__Gagne_welcomes_new_baby__has_successful_hip_surgery.html)

jj daigneault is on wip right now....awesome

The Keenan story on how he scored that goal was awesome. Those 80's teams were the bomb yo.

Quote from: ice grillin you on June 03, 2009, 12:12:22 PM
jj daigneault is on wip right now....awesome

He was another one of my faves. Still have that really strong French accent?

yup on the accent

Quote from: PhillyGirl on June 03, 2009, 12:38:02 PM

Quote from: ice grillin you on June 03, 2009, 12:12:22 PM
jj daigneault is on wip right now....awesome

He was another one of my faves. Still have that really strong French accent?

just cause of the goal or because he was hot?

because as a player he was horrible

macnow said he just received a text from a good source that the flyers are going after emery hard....and supposedly pannacio has an article on csn now (i havent read it) that says its already a done deal they are just waiting til july 1 to announce

Um, Daigneualt was not hot. lol

he busted his ass when he played and I liked that.

Quote from: ice grillin you on June 03, 2009, 01:40:01 PM
macnow said he just received a text from a good source that the flyers are going after emery hard....and supposedly pannacio has an article on csn now (i havent read it) that says its already a done deal they are just waiting til july 1 to announce

Hahaha. Drama.

http://csnphilly.com/pages/landing_09?Panaccio-Flyers-to-Sign-G-Emery=1&blockID=56999&feedID=717

Give him #27

Quote from: ice grillin you on June 03, 2009, 01:05:49 PM

Quote from: PhillyGirl on June 03, 2009, 12:38:02 PM

Quote from: ice grillin you on June 03, 2009, 12:12:22 PM
jj daigneault is on wip right now....awesome

He was another one of my faves. Still have that really strong French accent?

just cause of the goal or because he was hot?

because as a player he was horrible

I was gonna write the same thing but didn't feel like being drawn into an argument. He's forgettable aside from his goal and I can think of 20 players from that era off the top of my head I'd call my favorites.

Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on June 03, 2009, 01:52:29 PM
http://csnphilly.com/pages/landing_09?Panaccio-Flyers-to-Sign-G-Emery=1&blockID=56999&feedID=717

Give him #27

I don't hate this move because he's a better goalie than Biron, lets just hope he takes his sanity pills.

11 AM presser tomorrow to announce the signing of Emery

I am legitimately excited about this. 1000% chance it blows up in their faces, but it should make for interesting theater.

Quote from: rjs246 on June 09, 2009, 05:38:05 PM
I am legitimately excited about this. 1000% chance it blows up in their faces, but it should make for interesting theater.

heh, I was thinking the exact same thing. :-D :'(

Chance for the Penguins to have a 6-on-0 powerplay?

its exciting because hes so cheap and they have a shot at a bomeester now

Emery is the young goalie they needed, now get some D. 

Emery is exactly the sort of psychotic farger they need back there.  Someone who will not only get in the opponents' heads but also his own teammates' asses if they play like flags.

And to get him for only a million five is ridiculous.  Yeah, it could blow up spectacularly on them, but who gives a shtein?  I'd rather see them go down in flames like that than watch them punk out again because the goalie is a Hoyda.

http://www.csnphilly.com/pages/video_player
Emery Presser live

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does he really look like a head case??

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Quote from: SD_Eagle on June 10, 2009, 05:49:45 PM
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:-D

finally some color in this sport

 "Thank God there is still a sport for middle-sized white boys

Quote from: SD_Eagle on June 11, 2009, 08:50:59 AM
"Thank God there is still a sport for middle-sized white boys

excellent use of the quote. I looooooved that movie.

RIP Peter.

look who Paul wants to bring back as the backup to Emery...and it's not Boucher (http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=281691)

yea um

He's just trying to corner the market on former nhl goalies in russia. As long as Esche admits it was his fault all is forgiven.

Hatcher retires and is hired as Flyers new player development coach, replacing Desjardins.

It came down to Hatcher and the guy the Eagles fired during the Facebook fiasco.

QuoteFlyers: Carnival Starts Early This Season
I know I'm still catching up with things after being out of town, and this is old news here, but THE FLYERS SIGNED RAY EMERY??

That is apparently the case. I had to make sure, so I went over to the site of team spokesman Tim Panaccio and, yep, he had it, too. Said the "dust had settled after another sandstorm in Flyerdom," which threw me off a little. I mean, was it dust, or was it sand?

Either way, it was Ray Emery, the new goaltender, by way of Ottawa, by way of Russia, by way of Wackoville. With both Marty Biron and Antero Niittymaki becoming free agents on July 1, I guess the Flyers had to do something -- re-signing Biron would have been my preference -- and, oh yes, they did something.

It's awful to be accused of second-guessing a team, waiting for the outcome to decide if the organization was right or wrong in making a move. So, let's get the first guess out of the way now. This is going to be an utter disaster. Guys don't change at 26. If they miss practices, show up late all the time, get into automobile accidents, become a joke in their own locker rooms in one place, it's going to happen in the next place as well.

This is not Flyers Behavior. Whatever else this team is, the history here is it is as important to be a good teammate as it is to be a good hockey player. For GM Paul Holmgren, a man who tolerates no nonsense, to take this chance is utterly out of character.

And, by the way, it is missing the most vital point about the Flyers. The goaltending wasn't the problem. The problem was that the core of young players on the team who think they can ramp up their intensity and level of play when it is neeeded. Everything's just fine. We're just fine. Don't worry about us. So they blow playoff home-ice advantage on the final day of the season -- at home, to the Rangers -- and then dead-ass through the opening game of the playoffs against the Penguins. Just fine. No problem. The Flyers gave up 18 goals in six games against Pittsburgh. Big deal.

But the goaltending is always the easy answer. Coaches love to make that the answer, because then it's not their fault. It isn't the scheme or the motivation or the execution. It's that lump between the pipes there. Just didn't rise to the occasion. In this case, that's crap. Biron was plenty good enough.

And his replacement is a guy who was late for practice because he was signing autographs at the scene of one of his many fender benders? The dude ate a cockroach off the floor on a bet. Cockroach.

It would be fair to say the players are unconvinced about the signing.

"We all know about Ray. I'm ready to leave that behind and move forward," Kimmo Timonen said.

"We need to give him a chance before we judge him," Danny Briere said.

And then we're going to hate him wicked. At least that's the prediction here. Emery went to Russia to play for a season while he cooled off after his nuclear meltdown in Ottawa. Walked out on the Moscow club in February because he thought they were screwing him on the exchange rate on his salary. Reportedly got into a shoving match with a trainer who was trying to make him wear a hat. Didn't say what kind of hat.

(Since this comes down to Emery and Biron, parenthetically, here's that fight between the two of them, back when Biron was with Buffalo and Emery made it to the game on time.)

OK, I think that's all, at least until the act really gets going and the Wachovia Center fans are booing and throwing things after Emery gives up a soft goal and stomps around, pointing his stick at the defensemen.

This will not end well. And, for God's sake, don't try to make him wear a hat.

Wow.

Bob Ford knows less about hockey than he does about the Eagles and Sixers.

Who knew?

this is out of behavior for a team that acquired such respected salt of the earth guys like billy tibbetts steve downie and daniel carcillo??

is ford for real?

Everything he said could end up being 100% accurate. He's probably over-estimating Biron a bit, but not a ton. The skaters collapsed at the end of the year.

Ford calling the signing a disaster before he's even laced up the skates is retarded beyond belief.  And if the Flyers use the money they've saved by not signing Biron to sign Boumeester, then it makes the column even dumber, if that's possible.

ford is an idiot during a high volume sports time....its june and the phillies didnt play yesterday...im suprised he was able to even get anything out

Elktard is saying Flyers are talking to LA about the 5th overall and Jack Johnson.  Its contingent on a flyer releasing his NMC, either Briere or Gagne

Chance of that happening is less than .0000000000000000000001%.

Trading for Jack Johnson the musician has a better shot of happening.

FYI to everyone

yesterday i became an official full time flyer season ticket holder...thats the good news...the bad news is im gonna have like 20-25 games to sell.....so if anyone wants any games or more likely you know people who would want some perhaps you could do me a favor and plant some seeds with friends co workers family members ect... who may want to buy a few games...schedule doesnt come out till the middle of july so i cant begin to sell specific games yet but put a bug in the ear of any flyer fans you may know

they are dirt cheap
TWO tickets per game for 50 bucks
wont find a better deal in town

holla

you know i'll be in

Johnson and #5 to Anaheim for Pronger has also been discussed

The schedule wasn't released yet but the interconference games should be a reverse of this past season, which means the Red Wings, Blackhawks, Ducks and Canucks will be coming to town...

Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on June 16, 2009, 04:01:15 PM
Elktard is saying Flyers are talking to LA about the 5th overall and Jack Johnson.  Its contingent on a flyer releasing his NMC, either Briere or Gagne

Eklunds a retard but I love offseason speculation so I'll play along. Please let it be Briere. Pretty sure the Flyers would have to give up their first in the deal too. Even if it's Gagne it's a good deal cause he's one hit away from retiring. Lupul or Carle being moved would also work.

Heatley is requesting a trade.

He's not on the Flyers.

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Homgren had a pressconference today, didnt say much.  Timmy had a good article about Hatcher and interviewed him.  Hatch said the only player with snarl on the dline is Sbisa. 

According to CSN, Bouwmeester has the Flyers on his list of 5-6 teams he wants to join...

Legion of poon (http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/blog/puck_daddy/post/Flyers-partying-ways-were-an-issue-for-manage?urn=nhl,171928)

jesus richards looks like a complete douchebag

So, wait... are they suggesting that 22 year-old millionaires four years off the pig farm in Saskatchewan are partying in one of the biggest party towns in the world?

Quote from: Rome on June 22, 2009, 10:08:00 PM
So, wait... are they suggesting that 22 year-old millionaires four years off the pig farm in Saskatchewan are partying in one of the biggest party towns in the world?

No, I think they are suggesting that the millionaires are partying in Philadelphia.

flyers/bruins at fenway confirmed for jan 1

nhl wanted the caps, nbc said no dice because their ratings sucked for the rd 1 series against the rangers.

flyers didnt want to do it because they thought it hurt their chances of having the game against the penguins at psu. nhl said that would still be on the table in a few years.

so its done. finally, a reason to watch regular season hockey.

Another reason would have been that regular season hockey is worlds better than regular season anything going on at the same time that isn't football.

Palm Beach Post says Holmgren talked to Florida about sending them Lupul for the expiring rights to JayBo

Quote from: MDS on June 24, 2009, 12:59:09 AM
flyers/bruins at fenway confirmed for jan 1

where is the confirmation for this....or is it just a "report" saying that its been decided

http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/hockey/hockey-wires/story/1111589.html

dont ever question me again you jew

i wasnt questioning it fargface...im trying to find out how i can get tickets...and there wont be ticket information out there if the game isnt even confirmed yet...which as i suspected it isnt...its just a report saying that it has been decided and will be confirmed

its not a report, its a fact. its happening. go and get your tickets college boy.

already called the bruins to see how they would distribute and guess what...they told me no information is available until the game is officially announced...


unless it happened in the last few hours

of course they arent saying shtein.

they also have to handle already paid season tickets (both full and partial), decide how theyll handle the marketing of the game, decide how many freebies to give out, and then and only then will they put tix for sale to the general public.

chill.

Quote from: MDS on June 24, 2009, 04:44:44 PM
chill.

Ha.  Nice.

Quote from: MDS on June 24, 2009, 04:44:44 PM
of course they arent saying shtein.

they also have to handle already paid season tickets (both full and partial), decide how theyll handle the marketing of the game, decide how many freebies to give out, and then and only then will they put tix for sale to the general public.

chill.

please tell me you really didnt think i thought i was going to buy tickets today

i want to know when they are going to go on sale and how they will be distributed and that wont be released until the game is announced as official by the nhl...which hasnt happened yet...as i said you were just copying and pasting a newpaper report that the game will happen...as opposed to an official announcement

It's not official yet.  That quality paper The Trentonian is who's reporting it...

it was actually the delco times.

Reggie Lemelin is out as goalie coach, replaced by Jeff Reese from the Lightning

Good riddance

The next 24 hours should be interesting with all the Bouwmeester talk, supposedly he wants to hit free agency without his rights being shipped.

him and his agent are idiots if they said that...its a non issue...even if hes traded he doesnt have to sign...if he doesnt hit the open market it will be because he decided not to

macnow just said flyers lead for bowmeesters services...says they have a 40% chance of getting him

Sounds scientific.

i should have included that he has a reliable hockey source that is giving him this info

Did he use his abacus to deduce that 40% number?

Either way, a top 4 of Kimmo, Bouwmeester, Cobourn, and Parent sounds pretty sexy. Not to mention Sbisa.

Ektard says he's going to Vancouver, so expect him to be a Flyer.

at this point, i don't want him, he's going to command way to much for not being a #1 dman, and he's soft as piss.  signing him means losing coburn in a year or two, i don't think it's worth it.

lol at macnow saying the flyers lead, and eklund saying they are out.. 

TSN says a team that may have been in on the JayBo talks has made a big offer to Toronto for Kaberle

Quote from: SunMo on June 25, 2009, 03:57:09 PM
at this point, i don't want him, he's going to command way to much for not being a #1 dman, and he's soft as piss.  signing him means losing coburn in a year or two, i don't think it's worth it.

If Homer can move enough salary it makes sense, he needs to get creative since he's the one that created their salary mess.

And I'd take Kaberle for Lupul, Carle, and the 1st round pick.

not that i love any of those guys but thats way to much for an old player who is on the downswing

especially if you could get bomeester for a lot less

I'd dump Lupul and Carle for salary at this point

Rumors flying that the Flyers got Chris Pronger

Quote from: BigEd76 on June 26, 2009, 06:50:11 PM
Rumors flying that the Flyers got Chris Pronger

No idea what they gave up but he's my all time favorite non Flyer. I can't think of a better fit for this team.

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LOOK TEST:  PASS!

Early word is Lupul, Sbisa, and 2 1st round picks. The Flyers got RAPED.

Quote from: SD_Eagle on June 26, 2009, 07:24:32 PM
Early word is Lupul, Sbisa, and 2 1st round picks. The Flyers got RAPED.

Yeah, that's a horrendous deal.  And I love Pronger.

He'll be 35 when the season starts.

:yay

1-yr rental too.  Way too much to give up....

worst trade in city history?

Quote from: BigEd76 on June 26, 2009, 07:27:17 PM
1-yr rental too.  Way too much to give up....

This is 1000000x worse than the Oates or Lindros trade. Worse trade in Flyers history by far.

Settle down, Esmerelda.

:-D

sbisa straight up would have been a suspect move

Quote from: ice grillin you on June 26, 2009, 07:32:15 PM
sbisa straight up would have been a suspect move

damn straight. Holmgren needs to be canned immediately. He got fleeced in this move.

Wow, Lupul AND Sbisa?

WTF?

Quote from: BigEd76 on June 26, 2009, 07:27:17 PM
1-yr rental too.  Way too much to give up....

I can't imagine Holmgren made this move without an extension in mind.  I just think Sbisa and TWO firsts were way too much.  Lupul I  could not care less about.

an extension would make it worse...why would you give an exstention to a 35 year old when youre going to have trouble getting him under he cap as it is for one year

go for the cup this year (not gonna happen) then get rid of pronger use his and lupols money to make some moves for some good young talent and hope sbisa sucks

the end

He better start moving some more salary if he's got an extension in mind. I'm seriously as pissed off about this deal as I ever have been over any move in Philadelphia history. And I'm a huge fan of Pronger.

Holmgren needs to be shteincanned. His first year was fine, but he also had nowhere to go but up, had a shteinload of salary, the 2nd overall pick and the 21st overall pick. Since then he's made one boneheaded move after another (Eminger, Carle, Carcillo, now this)

Quote from: ice grillin you on June 26, 2009, 07:49:21 PM
an extension would make it worse...why would you give an exstention to a 35 year old when youre going to have trouble getting him under he cap as it is for one year

go for the cup this year (not gonna happen) then get rid of pronger use his and lupols money to make some moves for some good young talent and hope sbisa sucks

the end

I believe Pronger already fits in with losing Lupul + Biron.  Supposedly there's also a rumor that Briere is being actively shopped.

Carle may also be on his way out.

Losing Sbisa is what scares me.  I think he's going to be a good one.

Washington farging taterskins of the NHL. The Flyers should dig up Shero's grave and make him coach, then change their name to something racist and it'll be a perfect fit.

Quote from: SD_Eagle on June 26, 2009, 07:54:18 PM
Washington farging taterskins of the NHL. The Flyers should dig up Shero's grave and make him coach, then change their name to something racist and it'll be a perfect fit.

I do have to admit that the taterskins crossed my mind when I heard that the Flyers traded two firsts.

Quote from: SD_Eagle on June 26, 2009, 07:49:41 PM
He better start moving some more salary if he's got an extension in mind. I'm seriously as pissed off about this deal as I ever have been over any move in Philadelphia history. And I'm a huge fan of Pronger.

Holmgren needs to be shteincanned. His first year was fine, but he also had nowhere to go but up, had a shteinload of salary, the 2nd overall pick and the 21st overall pick. Since then he's made one boneheaded move after another (Eminger, Carle, Carcillo, now this)

i remember people going crazy over holmgren getting all this great young talent...parent upshall lupol coburn ect...and the whole time i was thinking the flyers will be lucky if one of thsoe guys pans out and thats what we should hope for..meanwhile so many flyer fans were like holy shtein we are loaded for the next 10 years as if all young players automatically develop into a player

and yes holmgren needs to be gone...btwn reeemsdyke and this is enough to get anyone fired........why the farg did lukko and snyder sign off on this deal...snyder i can see falling for the big name player trick but not lukko..i would have slapped holmgren in his face when he came to me with this

Quote from: Geowhizzer on June 26, 2009, 07:53:24 PM

Quote from: ice grillin you on June 26, 2009, 07:49:21 PM
an extension would make it worse...why would you give an exstention to a 35 year old when youre going to have trouble getting him under he cap as it is for one year

go for the cup this year (not gonna happen) then get rid of pronger use his and lupols money to make some moves for some good young talent and hope sbisa sucks

the end

I believe Pronger already fits in with losing Lupul + Biron.  Supposedly there's also a rumor that Briere is being actively shopped.

Carle may also be on his way out.

Losing Sbisa is what scares me.  I think he's going to be a good one.

im already beside myself with this deal...i swear to god if they give that ancient ape an even remotely pricey extention ill farging lose it

Think about this for a second, Holmgrens been the Flyers GM for 2 seasons and he's dealt away 4 1st round picks, 5 if you count Sbisa, 6 if you count Downie.

Positives about the trade:
1.  Pronger gives a needed physical presence on the blueline.
2.  Veteran leadership - CUP WINNING veteran leadership.
3.  Still top-5 d-man in the NHL.
4.  Takes minutes from Timmonen - keeps him fresher.

Negatives about the trade:
1.  Losing Sbisa - Could be future (and short-term CHEAP) star
2.  Losing two first-round picks - mortgaging the future.
3.  Will be 35 next season.

I love Pronger, and I love adding him to the Flyers' nucleus.  I just think they spent too much.  It also seems to me that JVR may be replacing Lupul's place on the 2nd - 3rd line.

I also think there's more trading to be done.  Either Briere or Carle may be on the way out.

When Pronger is skating around the Wachovia Center with the Stanley Cup raised over his head next year you guys are gonna look awfully silly.

pronger is on the decline and that decline will only speed up with every passing day...the guy has been absolute warrior for so many years that id be shocked if he made it thru this season...and no way is he a top five defenseman still...he wasnt even a plus last year on a decent team

the only positive int he deal i see is the money advantage they will gain...pronger is gone after only one year and they recoup his and lupols money for next offseason...of course if holmgren is still running things then what good does salary cap space do if he cant fill it properly

Quote from: SD_Eagle on June 26, 2009, 08:08:50 PM
Think about this for a second, Holmgrens been the Flyers GM for 2 seasons and he's dealt away 4 1st round picks, 5 if you count Sbisa, 6 if you count Downie.

thats unbelievable

Quote from: Rome on June 26, 2009, 08:13:03 PM
When Pronger is skating around the Wachovia Center with the Stanley Cup raised over his head next year you guys are gonna look awfully silly.

And when he's on another team in 2 years and we're sitting in front of the tv during the draft with our thumbs up our asses till 2011 ( they don't have a 2nd round pick till then either) and Sbisa is a future star we're gonna look back at this trade and see what an idiot holmgren is. Washington farging taterskins of the nhl

Quote from: Rome on June 26, 2009, 08:13:03 PM
When Pronger is skating around the Wachovia Center with the Stanley Cup raised over his head next year you guys are gonna look awfully silly.

if pronger made the flyers a legit cup contender then the deal might be defensible...what is amazing to me is that they traded for the kind ff player that would exemplify going for it all in one year in a pronger and in the same offseason they get a 100% question mark at the most important position on the team...the two moves completely butt heads

Top 4 Defensemen:

Timmonen - Parent
Pronger - Coburn

Oh blah, blah, blah.  Both moves are extremely risky but they could also both pay off huge.  Give it a while to see what else they're going to do before you all start cannonballing off bridges.  That's all I'm saying.

risk is worth it when its free in the case of the goalie

pronger risk is most certainly not worth it...even if pronger plays like he did last year flyers are no closer to the cup and 12 months older at his age means hes going to be less effective than last year and more injury prone with the wear and tear on his body...people with his mileage at his age dont improve

they also badly need talent up front before they can even sniff a cup...barring some sort of patrick roy playoff performance by emery

Players play at elite levels in the NHL into their 40's.  Pronger will be 35 and he's one of the best defensemen in the entire league.  I know they gave up a lot to get him (namely Sbisa) but Lupul was mediocre and the draft picks are hit or miss especially if they're picking at the bottom of the first round.

You're just being your usual panicking hyperbolic self by forecasting doom and gloom and that's fine.

I'll do the wait and see thing and you wring your hands into a puddle.

I think they paid way too much, but Pronger does address a big need for the Flyers.  Their defense became pussified because of the retirement of Hatcher and the addition of Carle.  The defense had no snarl, no real physical presence outside of (occasionally) Coburn.  Pronger definitely puts that snarl back on the d-line. 

And I will have to respectfully disagree with igy.  Pronger is to me, without doubt, a top-5 elite defensemen.

I think it mortgages too much of the future, especially with a gamble at goalie, but the Flyers are definitely a better team next year with Pronger than with Sbisa and Lupul.

Interesting divergence of opinion.

Flyersphans is blasting the trade.  Majority opinion is that it was a mistake.

PhillySportsForums is celebrating the trade.  Think it was a stellar move.

i know plus minus has its problems but jesus if youre a defenseman on a good team and cant even be a plus you got problems...im not saying he sucks...my concern is what hes going to be with his age and body...but theres no way hes an elite defenseman anymore...an upgrade to the flyers yes but not near worth the price

Quote from: Geowhizzer on June 26, 2009, 09:15:36 PM
Interesting divergence of opinion.

Flyersphans is blasting the trade.  Majority opinion is that it was a mistake.

PhillySportsForums is celebrating the trade.  Think it was a stellar move.

im guessing the people that lean more towards being hockey fans will not like it...and sports fans in general will like it because the flyers got the big name

Quote from: ice grillin you on June 26, 2009, 09:18:56 PM

Quote from: Geowhizzer on June 26, 2009, 09:15:36 PM
Interesting divergence of opinion.

Flyersphans is blasting the trade.  Majority opinion is that it was a mistake.

PhillySportsForums is celebrating the trade.  Think it was a stellar move.

im guessing the people that lean more towards being hockey fans will not like it...and sports fans in general will like it because the flyers got the big name

Actually PSF is largely a Flyers site.  They have forums for the other teams, but the Flyers is about 75% of their traffic.

In case anyone wants to peruse:

PSF:  http://www.phillysportsforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=45925
FP:  http://www.flyersphans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=125280

You may have to register to read the posts, and both sites have other threads on the trade.  These are the major ones.

The problem is they have up way too much. shtein they traded more than what it cost the ducks 3 years ago to get pronger.  Should have thrown in another dman loke marshall or nothing at all. They gave up 4 1st rounders in essence for a guy who has one year left. Trade homer. 

Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on June 26, 2009, 09:32:48 PM
The problem is they have up way too much. shtein they traded more than what it cost the ducks 3 years ago to get pronger. 

That's the kicker

FP is unreadable right now, I know Geo said they're against the trade but I've never seen a bigger bunch of homers in my life. I'm sick to my stomach.

thats why i refuse to go on any sites that are devoted to one team like that...its almost always strictly homer and even if not its way to many to tolerate

btw how are they against the trade but being homers?

Some of them are against the trade but I'd say 75% of the morons are doing the old "we're a better team today than we were yesterday" schtick. Basically if you disagree with the move they call you an idiot because the Flyers shed Lupuls awful contract - never mind it was Holmgren that signed him to that ridiculous deal - Sbisa is now considered an unknown and marginal prospect even though before the trade the guy was talked about like he was the next Lidstrom, and the 2 first round picks don't matter because they'll possibly be later in the draft, who cares that the Flyers have gotten guys like Richards, Carter, Giroux late in the draft. They're on a sickening Extremeskins level of retardation right now.

They're against the trade now but all the other times they're Phreak-like in their lapdoggedness.

Quote from: SD_Eagle on June 26, 2009, 10:04:40 PM
Some of them are against the trade but I'd say 75% of the morons are doing the old "we're a better team today than we were yesterday" schtick. Basically if you disagree with the move they call you an idiot because the Flyers shed Lupuls awful contract - never mind it was Holmgren that signed him to that ridiculous deal - Sbisa is now considered an unknown and marginal prospect even though before the trade the guy was talked about like he was the next Lidstrom, and the 2 first round picks don't matter because they'll possibly be later in the draft, who cares that the Flyers have gotten guys like Richards, Carter, Giroux late in the draft. They're on a sickening Extremeskins level of retardation right now.

haha

pretty much why i never go on those sites

nm, its been so long, I didn't know they changed to PB

sorry

According to Darren Dreger (TSN), Pronger is looking for a five-year extension at about $6M per.

just saw that, and you just know Holmgren will find a way to give it to him. Pronger has all the leverage too.

Bill Meltzer from Hockeybuzz:

QuoteQuality defensemen come at a premium and true number one defensemen cost a king's ransom to acquire, if they're available at all.

In the short term, I don't know how anyone in Flyerdom could not be in favor of tonight's deal to acquire Chris Pronger. With all due respect to Eric Desjardins and Kimmo Timonen, Pronger immediately gives the Flyers the best defenseman they have had since Mark Howe was in his prime. If they club receives even decent goaltending next season, it's capable of coming out of the East and reaching the Stanley Cup Finals.

In the long term, the Flyers have paid a very, very steep price. Losing Luca Sbisa hurts in particular. The deal amounts to Joffrey Lupul and three first round picks -- one of whom already has NHL experience and a bright future ahead of him -- for a player who already has a lot of miles on the tires.

If the Flyers get a Stanley Cup out of this trade, it's worth whatever long-term consequences there are to the system depth. Anything short of that, and Paul Holmgren's tenure as GM will be remembered for mortgaging the future on a gamble that didn't pay off. 

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Bill-...trade/45/21778

I am excited. As soon as they lose to Pittsburgh in the playoffs next year for the third year in a row I will be suicidal.

Cup = worth it.
Not = murder.

http://www.sportingnews.com/blog/ccustance.tsn/194244/

Excerpt:

QuotePaul Holmgren knows he gave up a lot. To get Chris Pronger from Anaheim, Philadelphia surrendered promising young defenseman Luca Sbisa, Joffrey Lupul, two first-round picks and a third round pick.

"Ask me a year from now, a couple years from now if it was worth that," Holmgren said here at the draft in Montreal.

But in acquiring Pronger, he served notice to the Pittsburgh Penguins that Sidney Crosby and Evgeni Malkin's days of roaming free in front of Philadelphia goalies are over. In Pronger, they now have that nasty defenseman who will make it miserable on the Penguins and everybody else the Flyers play next season. Holmgren wouldn't call him the missing piece, but his style of play was certainly something the Flyers didn't have. Now they do.

Quote from: Rome on June 26, 2009, 10:05:16 PM
They're against the trade now but all the other times they're Phreak-like in their lapdoggedness.

Whoa...come on now. I am not a mega homer.

Quote from: Geowhizzer on June 26, 2009, 11:19:26 PM
"Ask me a year from now, a couple years from now if it was worth that," Holmgren said here at the draft in Montreal.

this is an interesting quote...is it going to be one or two?...because two might as well equal like four or five...wouldnt you think its gonna be one or a lengthy exntension?

i just cant believe that holmgren could think that pronger at his age and level of play right now is the difference btwn a first round loss last year and a cup next year and he obviously believes he is

What's gonna be even better is 5 years from now when we have no young talent because we have no 1st or 2nd round picks to develop, and Prongers 40 playing on the last year of his 5 year $30 million deal. I absolutely love Pronger and am genuinely excited to see him in a Flyers uniform, but Holmgren is a flat out retard for giving up as much as he did. I can't believe there was any other team in the league that was willing to give up close to what the Flyers did.

i dont know how hard he tried but i would have much rather overpaid bomeester in cash than have overpaid for pronger in players and mortgaged the system for his ancient ass

now you will within a short period of time have pronger and timmonen coming to the end of their careers and no sbisa behind them and no defensive depth in the system at all...bourdon better be a player thats all i have to say

Marshall has some upside, but he'll be a throw in for a trade for a 4th line scrappy winger carcillo type in the near future.

I can't see Florida getting more than what the Flyers gave up for Bouwmeester. Morganti was just on CSN sportsrise and basically said the Flyers got impatient with Florida and wanted a guy immediately. That's a great way to do business. They should have said farg it, went all out and threw JVR into the mix to see if they could get up to the #2 pick to get Hedman. I mean, at least his best years are ahead of him and he'll come on the cheap.

I was looking for a photo of the Stanley Cup to post just to be a smart ass and came across this...

(http://justthetipoff.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/hayden-panettiere-stanley-cup-01.jpg)


Whoa.   

farg that little midget.

Gladly.

And to add further insult to injury Bouwmeester was just shipped to Calgary for UFA defenseman Jordan Leopold and a 3rd round pick. Unreal how idiotic Holmgren is.

Pronger at 35 is still better than Bouwmeester is and will cost less even with his extension.  farg bouwmeester

i'm not as unhappy with the trade as i was last night.   first of all, pronger is gonna sign long term, it's not a question.  second of all, lupul wasn't as much an asset in the trade as he was salary dump, so the flyers had to add to the package to make it worth taking his awful contract, which was definitely holmgren's fault. sbisa may be a nice player, but he'll never be as good as pronger and you can't exclude the toughness and leadership that pronger will add to the team.

flyers first pick a goalie....pretty big boy...24th ranked NORTH AMERICAN goalie and the 6th goalie taken in the draft....sounds like an unknown with a monster ceiling...ex flyers lindsay carson brad mcrimmon and one of my all time favorites daryl stanley all played for sakatoon

adam morrison - saskatoon - 6'3 166

(http://www.saskatoonblades.com/siteimages/player_images/Morrison.jpg)

Quote
Blades goalie Morrison hopes to draw NHL interest


By Cory Wolfe, The StarPhoenixJune 25, 2009
 
Adam Morrison's stomach was churning Wednesday, but not because he was nervous about the upcoming NHL draft.

Rather, the Saskatoon Blades goaltender was dealing with a bout of food poisoning.

"It could be a mixture of things," Morrison said in trying to pinpoint the source of his illness. "I had sushi. I also went to a barbecue where I had chicken and we were cooking burgers."

Like the food that poisoned him, Morrison's talent is raw. He played in just 13 games as a 17-year-old rookie with the Blades. Even though most scouting agencies don't list Morrison in their rankings for this weekend's draft in Montreal, Saskatoon coach-GM Lorne Molleken has fielded plenty of calls about his young netminder's abilities.

"What sparked the interest of so many teams is (Steve) Mason who played in Columbus," said Molleken. "He didn't play a whole bunch of games in his draft year, either. But now he's the (NHL's) rookie of the year."

Mason, a former member of the OHL's London Knights, had just 12 games of major-junior experience under his belt when the Blue Jackets drafted him 69th overall in 2006.

Morrison had a similar workload with the Blades this past season. He played in the shadow of Washington Capitals prospect Braden Holtby, but compiled an impressive stat line with a 9-1-1 record and a 2.49 goals-against average.

"After not playing a whole whack of games this year, I know that I'm not the big name out there," said Morrison. "But I've talked to a few teams that have been pretty keen on me.

"I'll just have to check up on things and see how everything goes."

Morrison's success didn't go unnoticed by Hockey Canada. When a spot opened up at the recent goaltender development camp in Calgary, Hockey Canada invited Morrison. He earned rave reviews for his performance at the four-day camp.

"They said I surprised all of them in a good way and now my name is on their radar."

NHL teams undoubtedly took notice, too, but Morrison isn't holding his breath to hear his name called. In fact, he plans to spend

Saturday golfing near his home in Surrey, B.C.

"I'm not looking at this weekend as being the big moment that defines my career," he said. "This coming season is going to be a big year because the coaching staff has put full confidence in me to take the reins."

BLADE BITS: The NHL's Central Scouting Service rated Morrison 24th among North American goalies in its final rankings. The same scouting service ranked Blades D Stefan Elliott 17th among North American skaters, while Blades RW Burke Gallimore was 71st. Forwards Travis Toomey and Gaelan Patterson, and D Sam Klassen have also drawn interest from NHL teams, said Molleken.

All last night I was thinking how damn young all the draft picks looked (born in 1990? damn...).  Then the Flyers' first pick looks like Phil Collins.

Quote from: SunMo on June 27, 2009, 01:31:51 PM
Pronger at 35 is still better than Bouwmeester is and will cost less even with his extension.  farg bouwmeester

i'm not as unhappy with the trade as i was last night.   first of all, pronger is gonna sign long term, it's not a question.  second of all, lupul wasn't as much an asset in the trade as he was salary dump, so the flyers had to add to the package to make it worth taking his awful contract, which was definitely holmgren's fault. sbisa may be a nice player, but he'll never be as good as pronger and you can't exclude the toughness and leadership that pronger will add to the team.

bomeester is at least as good as pronger right now and is only gonna get better while pronger goes downhill...pronger is more physical for sure and has the big name but hes not the dominant defenseman he was 4-5 years ago...hes still good but bomeester for the same price would have been a better get forget the fact that he would have come much cheaper

basically the flyers overpaid like a mother to get a better version of derian hatcher from a few years ago...this obsession with clearing the crease and having some huge bruiser on the backline is out of control to the point that the flyers gave up an unfathomable amount to just gain some physicality...look at any of the final four teams from last year and who do they have on the backline that scares you...brooks orpik?...i mean hes more physical than any flyer dman but does he frighten you....farg no...if the flyers were so concerened with upgrading the beef on the backline they could have done it without giving up lupul three number ones and a number 3...

and maybe like you said sbisa will suck and the number ones will suck and they will be abel to replace lupuls 25 goals in an offense that already doesnt have enough talent up front to challenge for a cup...all that could easily happen...but as for right now it was as sd said the worst move in franchise history

Quote from: SunMo on June 27, 2009, 01:31:51 PM
Pronger at 35 is still better than Bouwmeester is and will cost less even with his extension.  farg bouwmeester

i'm not as unhappy with the trade as i was last night.   first of all, pronger is gonna sign long term, it's not a question.  second of all, lupul wasn't as much an asset in the trade as he was salary dump, so the flyers had to add to the package to make it worth taking his awful contract, which was definitely holmgren's fault. sbisa may be a nice player, but he'll never be as good as pronger and you can't exclude the toughness and leadership that pronger will add to the team.

I have no problem with Pronger, love the guy - he was my all time favorite player to never wear the orange & black. But to give up what they did for him is absurd. Lupul I would have given away for a bag of pucks, but people are overlooking how good of a prospect Sbisa is, and the types of players the Flyers have gotten through the draft. They don't have a 1st, 2nd or 3rd round pick till 2011, that's going to hurt in 5 years when the farm is thin on talent.

And what's Bouwmeester going to cost like $500,000 more per season? big farging deal

By all accounts Boumeester wanted to return to Western Canada permanently.  He had no interest in being traded to a northeastern team in the U.S., so if he didn't want to sign long term in Philly, then Holmgren had no choice but to pursue another player.

And you, yourself, have been clamoring for them to cut their losses with Lupul for a while now, right?  Well, considering the insane contract he signed, it was almost a requirement that they give up more to trade him than they would have ever gotten in return.

Sorry, dude, but they got one of the best players at his position in the NHL, and they got a player that is absolutely ideal for Philly's style of play.  I know you're incredulous over what they had to give up but Pronger was worth it, plain and simple.

second pick

Simon Bertilsson - 6'0 183 - defenseman

2007-08: Suited up with Brynas IF Gavle U20, posting decent numbers. Appeared in games with Sweden's U17 and U18 national teams.

2008-09: Played for Brynas IF Gavle as well as its champion U20 squad. Also played for Team Sweden in the U18 World Championships on the top unit.

Talent Analysis

Bertilsson is a skilled and mobile defenseman with above average hockey sense. He has good attitude and impressive timing in his play. An all-around defenseman that contributes at both ends, but sometimes tends to be a tad risky with the puck and he could also use some additional strength. Plays with authority and leads his team. Should become a solid player defensively with some offensive skills to go.  Likes to hit and play physically.

Future
Ranked 71st overall by ISS (May) for the 2009 Entry Draft.

Quote
In another draft year, when Sweden wasn't so loaded, more draft pundits might be talking about Simon Bertilsson. But this year, the 6'0, 183 lb defender is sliding just under the radar.

The biggest exposure he got was at the U18 championships in April of this year, playing on the top pairing with Oliver Ekman-Larsson, who is expected to go top-10. It would be convenient to assume that the reason Bertilsson and Ekman-Larsson were paired together is because Bertilsson is a stay-at-homer anchoring Ekman-Larsson's offensive forays. But the truth is that these two have been together so many years on the national team and are such good friends that their pairing is just natural like an old glove. And Bertilsson isn't a stranger to the offensive zone himself. He scored a point a game in junior this year and could be seen pinching many times at the U18 championships, sometimes all the way to the net.

Bertilsson is a team player though. He said he likes to score on his home team, "but [with the national team] I must take the defense because he's the offense," referring to Ekman-Larsson.

"He plays very mature," Team Sweden U18 coach Stephan Lundh said of Bertilsson. "He's played well all season for us and his home team too. He can play every part of the game. But on our team he's an important stay-at-home defenseman."

Bertilsson was on Brynas' Eliteserien roster for 21 games, but only played in five of them. The rest he sat on the bench. So he didn't get much ice time, but said he learned by being there and watching his elders.

"I must think a lot and play easier," he said. "Do it all faster."

In his five games actually played in the SEL, he had one assist. With the junior team, he had 31 points in 30 games, along with 54 penalty minutes. Brynas J20 went on to be SuperElit champions this year. In the U18 championships with Team Sweden, he had one assist and was +5.

Quite a good passer, Bertilsson is also reliable at keeping the puck in the zone. He correctly plays the man and not the puck defensively, and this combined with good decision-making is what makes him so solid at his position. Bertilsson has good size and said he likes to be physical and hit people as well. With no history of any major injuries in his career, he uses his body confidently.

Bertilsson was among the 106 prospects invited to the NHL combine, which confirms that he's being considered for the top three rounds of the draft. Early in the season he talked to the NY Islanders, NY Rangers, Montreal Canadiens and Toronto Maple Leafs one-on-one. These teams told him things to work on, specifically that he needed to follow the forwards into the offensive zone more, and to work on getting bigger.

Bertilsson is ranked as the 17th European skater by Central Scouting, right behind Finnish defender Sami Vatanen. ISS has Bertilsson 71st overall, just behind American defender William Wrenn. Comparing against those two defenders underscores what a good blend of skill Bertilsson is, without giving up size.

Having turned 18 in April, and with another year of high school to go, Bertilsson will remain in Sweden for another year at least. He intends in that time to work on his English.

"It's not good," he laughed.

Bouwmeester isn't physical and said he didn't want to deal with the pressure of a huge market

Wasn't it reported like 5 days ago that the Flyers were on Bouwmeester's short list of teams he'd play for?

Quote from: Rome on June 27, 2009, 02:03:26 PM
By all accounts Boumeester wanted to return to Western Canada permanently.  He had no interest in being traded to a northeastern team in the U.S., so if he didn't want to sign long term in Philly, then Holmgren had no choice but to pursue another player.

And you, yourself, have been clamoring for them to cut their losses with Lupul for a while now, right?  Well, considering the insane contract he signed, it was almost a requirement that they give up more to trade him than they would have ever gotten in return.

Sorry, dude, but they got one of the best players at his position in the NHL, and they got a player that is absolutely ideal for Philly's style of play.  I know you're incredulous over what they had to give up but Pronger was worth it, plain and simple.

has nothing to do with bomeester...thats just salt in the wound...and as vague as it is ill concede hes "one of" the best at his position in the league...however if youre going to give up the farm for a 35 year old player he better be the best god damn defenseman on the planet...not a guy who on a 92 pt team couldnt even cop a plus rating

The Flyers, Canadiens, Sabres & Canucks were the four teams interested but Holmgren said that the price just to talk to him was too rich for his blood.  That tells me that the Flyers really had no shot at him so they moved on to Pronger.

I'm fine with how this all went down because I think Pronger is head and shoulders a better fit for Philly, both the team and the team's hard core fans.

Plus/minus is the VORP of hockey stats.  It's almost completely meaningless.

its not a perfect science but if you cant at least be a +1 on a good team then you probably arent one of the best defenseman in the league anymore

Got this from the HF boards:

QuoteIn the post-trade conference, Murray is asked this: "Murph, was this offer what you got for Prongs... was this far and away better than any other offer you got, or was anything else in the ballpark?"

He responds: "Nothing else was close to it. Paul wanted it."

remember back in the day when you had to give five first rounders for a restricted free agent...and how utterly insane everyone thought it was even for a player who was in his prime and youd have for the distant future...i remember st louis doing this for stevens and people called them beyond retarded

well holmgren just gave three first rounders a 25 goal scorer and a 3rd rounder for a 35 year old defenseman

IGY gets bonus points for mentioning 2 of my favorite Flyers ever in a post.

Lindsay Carson (tough as nails) and Daryl Stanley (loved him and Dave Brown together...and yes, I owned that ridiculously gay "Bruise Brothers" tshirt with the 2 of them).

Along with the ridiculously gay, "Lightning only strikes once, Hextall strikes twice" shirt they sold after Hextall's 2nd goal.  :-[ :paranoid

Quote from: PhillyGirl on June 27, 2009, 05:32:37 PM
"Lightning only strikes once, Hextall strikes twice"

Not if youre Matt Hasselback.

Quote from: PhillyGirl on June 27, 2009, 05:32:37 PM
IGY gets bonus points for mentioning 2 of my favorite Flyers ever in a post.

How many favorite Flyers do you have in total? Because I think by now you've said that about a good 70-75% of the mid-80s players.  :-D

3/4 of that 85-85 team are my all time favorite flyers. lol

But you never see Carson or Stanley ever mentioned.

Quote from: PhillyGirl on June 27, 2009, 05:32:37 PM
IGY gets bonus points for mentioning 2 of my favorite Flyers ever in a post.

Lindsay Carson (tough as nails) and Daryl Stanley (loved him and Dave Brown together...and yes, I owned that ridiculously gay "Bruise Brothers" tshirt with the 2 of them).

Along with the ridiculously gay, "Lightning only strikes once, Hextall strikes twice" shirt they sold after Hextall's 2nd goal.  :-[ :paranoid

Brown is probably my all-time favorite Flyer.  I can remember the finals against Edmonton (I believe in 1987), the news was showing the Flyers in Edmonton, and Brown was singing "Jingle Bells."  I thought they were going to do it that year.

Quote from: PhillyGirl on June 27, 2009, 06:36:04 PM
3/4 of that 85-85 team are my all time favorite flyers. lol

But you never see Carson or Stanley ever mentioned.

86-87 team >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 84-85 team

but flyer 80's teams >>>>>>>>> all sports teams

i was born in 87 and thus really cant talk much about the 80's flyers team, but how can they possibly be the greatest teams of all time if they hoisted a grand total of 0 stanley cups?

That was the most well-formed post/thought you had around these parts in quite some time. You've been practicing.

everyone once in a while i stop talking about jizz or how big my dong is and make sense

Quote from: MDS on June 27, 2009, 10:27:59 PM
i was born in 87 and thus really cant talk much about the 80's flyers team, but how can they possibly be the greatest teams of all time if they hoisted a grand total of 0 stanley cups?

one day youll realize best of anything...player team coach franchise whatever = havas' favorite

youll also grow up one day to realize that theres more to sports than what sports illustrated bob simmons or ken burns tells you

Quote from: ice grillin you on June 27, 2009, 09:56:08 PM

Quote from: PhillyGirl on June 27, 2009, 06:36:04 PM
3/4 of that 85-85 team are my all time favorite flyers. lol

But you never see Carson or Stanley ever mentioned.

86-87 team >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 84-85 team

but flyer 80's teams >>>>>>>>> all sports teams

I know...but that team was pretty much the same for those years. 85-88.

The Poulin/Tocchet/Hextall team was my favorite Philly team ever.  Maybe it was because of what they did against the Oilers coming back from a 3-1 deficit and several other in-game deficits in that series, but they showed heart, guts, skill and unbelievable determination every night without fail.

Or maybe it's because I got drunk as balls with a lot of them that summer after they lost.  Who knows.  Thinking about the Game 6 win in that series still gives me chills.

Quote from: ice grillin you on June 27, 2009, 10:37:07 PM

Quote from: MDS on June 27, 2009, 10:27:59 PM
i was born in 87 and thus really cant talk much about the 80's flyers team, but how can they possibly be the greatest teams of all time if they hoisted a grand total of 0 stanley cups?

one day youll realize best of anything...player team coach franchise whatever = havas' favorite

youll also grow up one day to realize that theres more to sports than what sports illustrated bob simmons or ken burns tells you

i can understand that the team was awesome, but in no way shape or form should any team that won 0 titles be considered the goat

http://www.delcotimes.com/articles/2009/06/29/sports/doc4a48345496243767869589.txt

Parent: Pronger's arrival better late than never
Published: Monday, June 29, 2009

Rob Parent

Paul Holmgren didn't waste time at the NHL's Longest One-Round Draft Affair Friday night to do something that the Flyers hadn't been able to pull off for too long ...

Man, it has been a long time since this team had a talented, two-way butt-kicker on the blue line and locker-room leader rolled into one.

Chris Pronger has been all of that since not long after fresh-faced Hartford Whalers general manager Paul Holmgren drafted Pronger in 1993.

Too many years later, that move is paying off for Flyers fans.

The most obvious example of an effective leader on and off the ice for the Flyers of recent seasons was former captain Keith Primeau, who seemed to get better at the role as he aged. Primeau, as skilled at plastering a few bodies along the boards as he was at wallpapering a few names in the clubhouse from time to time, came into his own during the 2004 playoffs.

That Flyers team of somewhat off-the-wall veterans didn't have the young talent that the Tampa Bay Lightning did, yet might have been the better team of those two East beasts. Injuries to the defense killed the Flyers in that series, but that only was because this club's defense never has been deep enough to sustain it through the hard times.

A lost season to labor woes followed by the misfortune of one too many concussions ended Primeau's time as unquestioned Flyers leader. It essentially ended before the club could capitalize on it for long-term benefits.

Just as a physical and offensively dangerous defenseman has so frequently escaped the Flyers' front-office hunters, so has leadership in the locker room too often gone missing.

Even now, Jeff Carter never says anything and Mike Richards too often adopts the posture of silent self-rebuke. Neither Danny Briere nor Simon Gagne possesses the mean streak this team has needed.

Not so long ago, Peter Forsberg could do little but trip over his feet, and Derian Hatcher had too much pain in his legs to be effective.

Jeremy Roenick was too much the on-ice showman to be so respected behind the curtain. John LeClair kept to himself.

Still shadowing this club are the days that Eric Lindros warred with the front office rather than turn his underutilized sense of aggression on the other guys. Eric Desjardins merely muttered under his breath. And Rod Brind'Amour couldn't meld with Lindros on the ice.

With Primeau's development, years of rudderless locker-room leadership ended. With Primeau's premature retirement, again the Flyers went astray.

As for blue-line bluster, despite steadiness shown for years by Mark Howe, Desjardins, and more recently Kimmo Timonen – who at least in the verbal sense is somewhat practiced in the art of locker-room motivation — the Flyers never have been a team that could follow a force from the defense.

For too long, that has been a weakness as much as lack of leadership was. With this trade for Pronger, the search in both of those areas has converged.

This is a player who will walk into training camp as an unquestioned leader; whether anybody with a sewing kit decides to put an extra letter on his jersey hardly matters.

When he was younger, Pronger had occasional problems controlling his aggressive play. We're not talking Scott Hartnell bad here, but there were suspensions incurred. As a mature player, however, Pronger literally has cleaned his game up while still contributing the smart, dirty hit.

Although it seems like he's been around forever, the guy is only 34. Take Joffrey Lupul and his lack of postseason production and Luca Sbisa and his skinny body and all the draft picks you want — this trade is something the Flyers have needed for years.

Pronger has superior defensive skills. He uses his body expertly, and has the stick skills to kick his club onto the fast break. He will run a power play, shoot darts from the point and has no problem skating back to clear out the territory in front of his own net.

He'd better ... because goaltending is still a major question.

What Holmgren did with this trade, however, was offer a proper balance to the bright idea of committing Ray Emery to sign on July 1 as the Flyers' new starting goalie.

With Pronger in front of him, Emery's new job of keeping pucks out of the Flyers' net has been made easier. More importantly, Emery's effect on the Flyers' locker room – there was a reason he was kicked out of Ottawa — will be blunted by Pronger's presence.

Of course, if Emery decides to go looking for a good, healthy fight with a teammate ... one won't be far away.

To contact sports editor Rob Parent,
e-mail rparent@delcotimes.com

I don't think Richards has done too bad a job as a leader/captain, other than maybe being a little young and inexperienced at it....But I think he's definitely done a quality job on the ice when it comes to leading the team.

What Chris Pronger actually sees through his eyes when he looks at Cindy:


(http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/3839/eptsportsnhlexperts8121.jpg)

Quote from: Rome on June 30, 2009, 04:47:19 PM
What Chris Pronger actually sees through his eyes when he looks at Cindy:


(http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/3839/eptsportsnhlexperts8121.jpg)

ha, i'm feeling better about getting Pronger, but they gave up a farging ransom to get the guy.  I find it funny that hatcher said last week that Sbisa was the only Dman with balls on the team. 

I'm thrilled about Pronger, short term I can't thing of a better fit for this team. It's long term that leaves me in tears.

Scott Gomez was shipped to the Habs for Higgins, meaning they probably don't want Briere anymore. (shtein)

Flyers to sign Boucher tomorrow? (http://blogs.courierpostonline.com/flyers/)

short term isnt any better...unless you believe they can win the cup next year...but they arent that good

and once pronger gets his new deal there goes any hope for improvement

lets say emery does a 180 and becomes a productive citizen and a great goalie...a big if but certainly possible...how would they resign him without weakening the rest of an already not great team

but your right long term its even uglier...they are going to have two old ass defensemen in pronger and timmonen eating up a ridiculous amount of money and no way to move them

until they get some real talent up front i dont see this team being a real threat outside of a suprise playoff run like they had in 2008

And Bouwmeester signs with the Flames for 5 years at $6.6 per. So the Flames got a guy 10 years younger whose best years are ahead of him for a 3rd round pick.

win a cup in the next two years or bust

Quote from: ice grillin you on June 30, 2009, 08:33:55 PM
short term isnt any better...unless you believe they can win the cup next year...but they arent that good

and once pronger gets his new deal there goes any hope for improvement

lets say emery does a 180 and becomes a productive citizen and a great goalie...a big if but certainly possible...how would they resign him without weakening the rest of an already not great team

but your right long term its even uglier...they are going to have two old ass defensemen in pronger and timmonen eating up a ridiculous amount of money and no way to move them

until they get some real talent up front i dont see this team being a real threat outside of a suprise playoff run like they had in 2008

If it wasn't for Fluery the Flyers might win that series vs. the Pens then who knows after that. Pronger takes the team to the next level, I know he's a bit older but I read a bunch of threads on Ducks fans forums and they like the trade but are pissed off as hell he's gone. Most of them thought they were getting JVR or Carter back before they knew th specifics of the deal. 90% of them said they'd of rather of traded Niedemayer and re-signed Pronger long term. Basically there's no way to trade for a Malkin/Ovie/Kovalchuck so you try to keep your forward depth and go from there.

Buh bye Knubsy (http://www.csnphilly.com/pages/landing_09?Knuble-Unlikely-to-Re-Sign-With-Flyers=1&blockID=61652&feedID=704)

Quote from: SD_Eagle on June 30, 2009, 09:16:33 PM

Quote from: ice grillin you on June 30, 2009, 08:33:55 PM
short term isnt any better...unless you believe they can win the cup next year...but they arent that good

and once pronger gets his new deal there goes any hope for improvement

lets say emery does a 180 and becomes a productive citizen and a great goalie...a big if but certainly possible...how would they resign him without weakening the rest of an already not great team

but your right long term its even uglier...they are going to have two old ass defensemen in pronger and timmonen eating up a ridiculous amount of money and no way to move them

until they get some real talent up front i dont see this team being a real threat outside of a suprise playoff run like they had in 2008

If it wasn't for Fluery the Flyers might win that series vs. the Pens then who knows after that. Pronger takes the team to the next level, I know he's a bit older but I read a bunch of threads on Ducks fans forums and they like the trade but are pissed off as hell he's gone. Most of them thought they were getting JVR or Carter back before they knew th specifics of the deal. 90% of them said they'd of rather of traded Niedemayer and re-signed Pronger long term. Basically there's no way to trade for a Malkin/Ovie/Kovalchuck so you try to keep your forward depth and go from there.

they have like three or four levels to win the cup...one level wins them a playoff round

im not saying its an impossibility for them to win the cup but if they do it will be because emery stands on his head and someone up front (possibly a giroux) has a monster playoff....it wont be because they acquired a 35 year old defenseman

He put Anaheim over the top, ask any of their fans and the team took it to the next level once he got there. He's not that much different of a player as he was 2-3 years ago. Bourque, Stevens, Lidstrom, Chelios etc. all won cups and were productive into their late 30 early 40's.

anaheim was much closer to a cup than the flyers are now...also they had just added neidermeyer who was as influential in winning the cup as pronger...but most importantly they had an elite goaltender...totally different situations

i hope im wrong but i just dont see pronger elevating the flyers all by himself from a first round exit to a cup win...now if they had made some big improvements elsewhere combined with pronger sure that could make the difference...or if they were on the cusp of being a champions and just needed that little extra something like prongers toughness or leadership i might buy in...i just dont see it

theres a difference bwtn pronger helping the team and making them the best team in the nhl

Personally I would have went after Luongo (and yeah I know he hasn't done well in the playoffs), Holmgren is no different than Clarke where he thinks he can just build a good D have an average goalie and win a championship.

Quote from: SD_Eagle on June 30, 2009, 10:36:16 PM
Personally I would have went after Luongo (and yeah I know he hasn't done well in the playoffs), Holmgren is no different than Clarke where he thinks he can just build a good D have an average goalie and win a championship.

yep

the flyers would be like anaheim three years ago if they already had a great goalie then went out and acquired pronger AND bomeester

Knuble to the Caps, 2 years $2.8 million per

Later old man.

Dont get Grier...

I didnt want Knuble at that high a price, but losing 50+goals between Lupul and Knuble, Giroux had better not have a sophmore slump

The Flyers have enough goal scorers, which is why Giroux is so valuable. They need a good set up guy and from what I've seen he's ridiculous. Still holding out hope that Carle gets moved.

Sportsnet saying we signed Boucher to a 2 year $1.8 million deal

farging Brian Boucher.

I heart Boucher.

I hearted him for one season. Then tried to heart him the next season only to have my heart smashed by bone-headed awfulness between the pipes.

What...Roman Checmanek wasn't available?

So with Knuble and Lups gone...what are the top 3 lines looking like right now?

Gagne-Richards-Briere
Hartnell-Carter-?????
?????-Giroux-????

Do you throw Giroux up there with Carter and Hartnell? Or maybe keep him and Danny together considering they started to get some good chemistry towards the end?

Assuming they keep Danny that is.

Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on July 01, 2009, 03:54:34 PM
What...Roman Checmanek wasn't available?

I would have preferred getting Garth Snow out of retirement.

If Briere stays healthy, they have scoring.  Holmgren  came out and said they will be looking internally to fill spots, since he burned up all the cap money

Giroux needs to be a top-two-line player. Having him center the third line is a waste.

Typically, yes it would be....but he had scoring power on that line with him with Danny.

But he also was pretty sick when he was with Gagne and Knuble for a few games. I just think it's more of a waste to throw Richards down there with two scrubs.

Quote from: SD_Eagle on July 01, 2009, 02:52:40 PM
Knuble to the Caps, 2 years $2.8 million per

Danny Snyder?

Flyers just signed 35-yr old (36 in January) forward/goon Ian Laperriere from Colorado....3/$3.5M

http://www.itsallaboutlappy.com

Toughness isnt an issue

Hmm....4th line of Laperrie, Cote, and Carcillo. KILL KILL KILL.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3a-OTRwHT80&feature=player_embedded

A little Laperriere video

Quote from: Munson on July 01, 2009, 06:12:52 PM
Hmm....4th line of Laperrie, Cote, and Carcillo. KILL KILL KILL.

who the farg cares about the new NHL...bring back old time Broad Street Bullies hockey.

If only they could get a hold of Bettman.

Cote won't sniff this team next year.

How angry does this make IGY.  LOL 

QuoteThat's probably it for us tonight
I like what we did today. There is another move or two left though.
It'll be interesting to see what happens next, and when it does.
Based on the way the market is going, this could be one of the slower UFA periods after the frenzy of July 1. Patience could pay off.
Then again, they could also make a huge move tomorrow afternoon, who knows. Tomorrow should be interesting.

QuoteBut have we improved

have the flyers ever had a worse last 6 forwards in thier history than they do right now

and its not even like the top six are overflowing with talent

next year is getting uglier and uglier the closer we get

oh and btw i have extra flyer games for sale

where are the seats and how much $. i might pick up one or two for birthdays and other bullshtein.

Quote from: ice grillin you on July 02, 2009, 04:30:22 PM
have the flyers ever had a worse last 6 forwards in thier history than they do right now

forget everything about the lindros years dont you?

Quote from: MDS on July 02, 2009, 05:07:23 PM
where are the seats and how much $. i might pick up one or two for birthdays and other bullshtein.

Im pretty sure I know how this story is gonna end.

got cash on hand now son you best be learnin how the world works mmkay

two seats for 50 bucks....best deal in town son

same seats you got from me last year

Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on July 02, 2009, 05:16:51 PM

Quote from: ice grillin you on July 02, 2009, 04:30:22 PM
have the flyers ever had a worse last 6 forwards in thier history than they do right now

forget everything about the lindros years dont you?

maybe equally as bad but certainly not worse....the latter half of the roster is a joke on this team

Pronger PC on now  http://flyers.nhl.tv/team/console.jsp?catid=616&id=44687

"If I get booed in the East Coast cities now then I'm doin' my job here."

The highlight of the pc is Snider's blue suit

Quote
"Call me Jack Bauer"
"34 is the new 24"
"If I get booed in the East Coast cities now then I'm doin' my job here."

What kind of message do you want to send to Crosby and Ovechkin?
"I think you know the answer to that. We don't want to premeditate anything now do we?"

How are you planning on defending the likes of Ovechkin and Crosby?
"Lot of back pressure, standing up at the blueline, not giving them any room to dip-si-do. I can get a chalkboard if you want."

good interview/pc as far as they go.  Pronger has a personality, and is busting on some of the reporters for asking stupid questions. 

QuoteI can get a chalkboard if you want."

Love it.

MVP

(http://d.yimg.com/a/p/sp/getty/9f/fullj.39d8b710fc2b990bf8c9b0aa265681d2/39d8b710fc2b990bf8c9b0aa265681d2-getty-88792175nl001_chris_pronger.jpg)

I used to follow hockey pretty avidly and had the NHL ticket, but not a whole lot of interest since the lockout. How good is Pronger now and how much does he have left?

Quote from: Eagaholic on July 06, 2009, 03:38:45 PM
I used to follow hockey pretty avidly and had the NHL ticket, but not a whole lot of interest since the lockout. How good is Pronger now and how much does he have left?

He's as good as ever, may not have the wheels he had like he did when he was in his mid 20's but it's not like he was ever that fast or his game relied on speed. He has a nasty shot from the point and plays great D, he's also the most physical defenseman in league history. Ducks fans were thrilled with what they got in the trade but pissed off he was leaving. I personally love the guy as a player...I just wish Holmgren didn't get raped in the deal.

If Sbisa wasnt part of that deal its a steal for the Flyers, the video is http://flyers.nhl.tv/team/console.jsp?catid=616&id=44687, its a great one IGY would love it

I pretty much agree with everything that SD said here.   Consensus is, aside from IGY, is that Pronger is still a top 5 (or at least 10) D-man right now.  He makes the Flyers a heck of a lot better on the blueline next year.

Point is, with the time that Pronger has left as an elite D-man, will the Flyers win the Cup with the team they have? Probably not with what they're fielding at goal.  And, of course, the Flyers have yet to extend Pronger, so their time with him may be just one year.

Holmgren gave up way too much for him.

Anyone who continues this retarded conversation should be hit with a farging flaming meteor.

no one will answer this question for me but if pronger is a top defenseman why couldnt he even pull off a plus rating (and btw hes a -1 over the last two seasons)....yeah plus minus means nothing blah blah blah...if you truly believe thats the answer to the question then at least tell me why 99% of good defenseman on good teams have a double figure plus rating and why there were 123 defenseman in the nhl this year that played 10 or more games who had a plus rating and chris pronger wasnt one of them

now i might have seen five anaheim games all year so i certainly dont know the ins and outs of prongers game as it stands right now...but how does everyone else know hes as good as ever...a top five defenseman in the whole league and a guy who can gonna make the flyers a stanley cup winner?...is it because the media is telling you?...i just dont get how you can look at his numbers and his age and think hes a top five defenseman

i know its a good soundbyte question but i laugh my ass off at all the idiot guys at the press conference and in every tv and radio interview hes given since the trade about what hes gonna do to ovechkin and crosby...he aint gonna do shtein...he wasnt stopping a ton of people from scoring last year but now hes going to stop ovechkin who he wont be able to touch and crosby the best player in the nhl...hes going to help with clearing then crease and making it easier on his goalie but his game isnt shutting down the leagues best players like a niklas lidstrom


and i dont get you sd...youre saying hes as good as hes ever been but the flyers gave up to much...thats a complete contridiction...i mean wouldnt you support one of your teams giving a lot for the best defenseman in the league and the exact kind of defenseman they need??

if he was a norris trophy defenseman still then i wouldnt have nearly the problem with the trade that i do now....problem is hes a lot closer to being colin white than he is a norris trophy winner

Pronger isn't Norris trophy good anymore, he doesn't have the offensive numbers they look for. He's not top 5 either, I'd say top 10. You get a different element of a player with him, he's huge, makes players think when they have to skate into the Flyers zone, he's a very good passer, and has a rocket from the point.
As for plus/minus rating look at the Ducks to find your answer, the teams decline has more to do with that then the individual player. 2-3 years after he won the Norris St. Louis was terrible and he was a minus 1, are you going to tell me that was all his fault? He was elite elite at that point, definitely top 5. Even 5-6 years ago I'd question this trade, you don't give up that many picks and a promising defenseman for 1 player, now that he's 35 the move was just flat out retarded, because his play can only decline from this point on.

FYI - Bouwmeester, Niedermayer, Kaberle, Phaneuf all had a minus +/- last season.

+/- is the VORP of hockey. 

Where Pronger is valuable is in front of the net, without Hatcher they had no one to really keep it clear and keep Malkin/Crosby and other players from making the D look bad.  Pronger's entire game is to be physical to the point that players are scared to cut in near the goal, from that standpoint he's probably top 3 in the league.  Again if they win a cup, its the best trade they've made, but unless they actually win a cup, Pronger will never be worth the 4 1st round picks it essentially took to get him. 

I'm thinking of starting a discussion on the Von Hayes 5 for 1 trade in the Phillies thread.  Who's with me?

Quote from: SD_Eagle on July 07, 2009, 11:44:37 AM
Pronger isn't Norris trophy good anymore, he doesn't have the offensive numbers they look for. He's not top 5 either, I'd say top 10. You get a different element of a player with him, he's huge, makes players think when they have to skate into the Flyers zone, he's a very good passer, and has a rocket from the point.
As for plus/minus rating look at the Ducks to find your answer, the teams decline has more to do with that then the individual player. 2-3 years after he won the Norris St. Louis was terrible and he was a minus 1, are you going to tell me that was all his fault? He was elite elite at that point, definitely top 5. Even 5-6 years ago I'd question this trade, you don't give up that many picks and a promising defenseman for 1 player, now that he's 35 the move was just flat out retarded, because his play can only decline from this point on.

Quote from: SD_Eagle on July 06, 2009, 07:33:38 PM
He's as good as ever

thats what i was referring to....if hes as good as ever then hes the best dman in the league and norris trophy caliber since hes accomplished both those things in the distant past

Quote from: SD_Eagle on July 07, 2009, 11:44:37 AM
FYI - Bouwmeester, Niedermayer, Kaberle, Phaneuf all had a minus +/- last season.

youre making the exact point im making...none of those above players are that good and would win the flyers a cup....cept bomeester i wouldnt have traded sbisa straight up for any of them much less what the flyers gave

Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on July 07, 2009, 11:51:45 AM
+/- is the VORP of hockey. 

no it isnt and you know this....is it as valuable as goals hell no...but it definitely means something where as vorp was made up last week by some moneyball nerd...

my point isnt to say that +/- is a determination of how good a defenseman is...i just dont think youre a great defenseman if youre on a good team and cant even pull a plus one

Quote from: Rome on July 07, 2009, 12:30:18 PM
I'm thinking of starting a discussion on the Von Hayes 5 for 1 trade in the Phillies thread.  Who's with me?

what was von's vorp?  i must know this before deciding whether or not i wish to engage in such a discussion. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rISd-dgMaJM
Boner

Is he as good as he was 3 years ago, i dont think so, is he as physical yes.  They gave wayyyy too much up to get him, but dont discount what he's gonna bring physically, which this team needed last year.  Alberts was probably the most physical hitter.  I love the top 4 D pairings now, and if you can get rid of Jones, i'd be even happier. 

his +/- in the playoffs last season was +4 -1 in a short exit last year, plus 10 For Edmonton the cup run year, and plus 10 for the Ducks when they won the cup

so it sounds like they are making a big push to win now but probably don't have the goalie to back it up, and there's still the question of signing him longer term which I'd think would make the deal a fiasco if they can't.

at least there's this

http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/postedsports/archive/2009/05/05/pronger-ott-voted-nhl-s-dirtiest-players-in-poll.aspx

SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP

Quote from: Eagaholic on July 07, 2009, 01:14:28 PM
so it sounds like they are making a big push to win now

yes

Quote from: Eagaholic on July 07, 2009, 01:14:28 PM
but probably don't have the team to back it up

yes

Quote from: ice grillin you on July 07, 2009, 01:02:11 PM

Quote from: SD_Eagle on July 06, 2009, 07:33:38 PM
He's as good as ever

thats what i was referring to....if hes as good as ever then hes the best dman in the league and norris trophy caliber since hes accomplished both those things in the distant past

Fine I'll retract that statement, he's still a darn good player but he's not the elite cream of the crop player he once was. Going off of Ducks fans opinion of him he hasn't declined in the 3 years he's been with them. I'll take their word for it over anyone elses because they've watched him play every game. They're still holding out hope he doesn't sign long term with the Flyers cause they want him back. Link (http://forums.anaheimducks.com/index.php%20244813070fd27957efb36b4df2a0388a&showtopic=370557).

Quote from: ice grillin you on July 07, 2009, 01:02:11 PM

Quote from: SD_Eagle on July 07, 2009, 11:44:37 AM
FYI - Bouwmeester, Niedermayer, Kaberle, Phaneuf all had a minus +/- last season.

youre making the exact point im making...none of those above players are that good and would win the flyers a cup....cept bomeester i wouldnt have traded sbisa straight up for any of them much less what the flyers gave

Prongers a better player than those I listed. I'd maybe say Phaneuf is comparable talent wise even though he had a down year. And ALL of those players would help the Flyers in their quest for the cup, nothing is guaranteed of course but to say they're not closer adding any of those players is ridiculous.


+/- has some merit but he was a minus 2 a few years after winning the Norris trophy. It has more to do with the team than it does the player. For instance, Anaheim only scored 7 more goals than they gave up last season, that doesn't scream large plus/minus stats for anyone on their team...especially not for a guy that was consistently paired against the best forwards.

Do they even have enough money to sign him long term without shortchanging themselves elsewhere? I don't know about next year but I thought I heard they don't have much room left for '09.

Quote from: Eagaholic on July 07, 2009, 01:14:28 PM
so it sounds like they are making a big push to win now but probably don't have the goalie to back it up

I've always had a boner for Pronger, but if you're going to swing that kind of young talent you do it for an elite goalie. Elite goalies can steal a series (see MAF in last years playoffs) good defenseman can't.

yeah it wouldnt suprise me in the least if the flyers were only just as good or even worse than last year (wouldnt suprise me if they were better either)...and not because pronger isnt a very good defenseman but they are suspect up front and have a huge questionmark in goal...and this is why the pronger move is epically bad...because you gave up a huge chunk of the future to possibly win a playoff round or two...if you give up what they gave up you better be dead set at every other position on the team except what pronger brings

after that trade we should all be sitting here saying the flyers are the favorites for the cup or at bare minimum the favorites in the east...and we arent even close to that...even the people who love the trade cant say they think the flyers are cup favorites or even on the short list and imo its inexcusable to give up what they did and not be in that position

Quote from: ice grillin you on July 07, 2009, 01:45:30 PM
yeah it wouldnt suprise me in the least if the flyers were only just as good or even worse than last year (wouldnt suprise me if they were better either)...and not because pronger isnt a very good defenseman but they are suspect up front and have a huge questionmark in goal...and this is why the pronger move is epically bad...because you gave up a huge chunk of the future to possibly win a playoff round or two...if you give up what they gave up you better be dead set at every other position on the team except what pronger brings

after that trade we should all be sitting here saying the flyers are the favorites for the cup or at bare minimum the favorites in the east...and we arent even close to that...even the people who love the trade cant say they think the flyers are cup favorites or even on the short list and imo its inexcusable to give up what they did and not be in that position

:crazy
It's all about Emery this year.  

i knew youd like that

Quote from: ice grillin you on July 07, 2009, 01:58:14 PM
i knew youd like that

you know me so well.  And i dont think they have a shot at winning, does it make them better this year than they were going into the draft, certainly.  But i dont think they have a true shot at a cup unless Emery plays out of his mind. 

FWIW, Biron probably had the largest miscalculation for a FA i've ever seen.  He wanted 5 million a year for 3 years, and now wont get a starting job, and is looking at maybe getting 1.5 per year.  What a douche. 

I wish they could have signed him and Emery on the cheap and let them fight it out for the #1 spot.

My money says Emery keeps his act in check but only plays okay.

Quote from: SD_Eagle on July 07, 2009, 02:21:28 PM
My money says Emery keeps his act in check but only plays okay.

yeah i tend to believe emery basically will be biron...but at least there is a feeling that he could be much better even if there is a very small chance of that...with biron you knew what you were getting and it wasnt that you hated it but it was so bleh and gave you no hope

Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on July 07, 2009, 02:11:03 PM
And i dont think they have a shot at winning, does it make them better this year than they were going into the draft, certainly.  But i dont think they have a true shot at a cup unless Emery plays out of his mind. 

thats exactly how i feel

IGY, weren't you ejaculating over the Biron get originally? I thought you touted him as a cup-caliber goalie...

yeah i was i thought he had it in him to make a run such as the one in 08...i still believe he was good enough that postseason to win it all had they not been decimated by injuries

but i also thought he would be more consistent in the regular season

Flyers sign Pronger to 7 year $35 million extension (http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/2009/07/07/pronger_extension_flyers/)

Meaning the deal will end when he's 42. lol.

I do like that Lemelin got fired, that fool has been stealing money for 15 years as a goalie coach.  I thought Biron was certainly a better goalie than he turned out.  He had all the talent, but as usual, let in horribly timed goals and as IGY said, was horribly inconsistent.  He just couldnt be the stopper to win games for them. 

I'm just hoping Emery can be the answer, and honestly its the best deal they could have done since Luongo re-upped, and the market was overpriced as usual. 

SD, 42 is still younger than Chelios..lol

Quote from: SD_Eagle on July 07, 2009, 03:53:29 PM
Flyers sign Pronger to 7 year $35 million extension (http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/2009/07/07/pronger_extension_flyers/)

Meaning the deal will end when he's 42. lol.

who gives a shtein, if he sucks they can LTIR him, and the cap hit is only 5 million, that's great

My deal with Emery is Goalies are so valuable (well to most teams not the Flyers) yet he was out there and nobody signed him. I know there were reports that other teams had interest but really not one team could beat $1.5 million? I mean, I know the guys history but teams have taken bigger gambles on players.

I was actually happy at the $5 million per, the 7 years is ridiculous. What's the deal with players ovr 35 and the retirement clause, I remember reading about it somewhere but am unfamiliar with how it works.

he's not 35 yet, so it doenst matter SD

yeah just read that on fp, if the $5 million per is true it's a good deal.

Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on July 07, 2009, 04:00:53 PM
he's not 35 yet, so it doenst matter SD

but this contract goes into effect next year, when he is 35, so i think that rule is in effect

The cap experts on fp are saying it's when he signs it not when it takes effect.

yeah, looks like it had to be by June 30th... Thanks Mexico..

who cares whether hes on the cap or not in five years....do people really think this contract is judged by whether the flyers have an extra five million bucks in 2015?

its judged by whether they win a cup before then and how his contract affects their cap in the shorter term

It's not my money, and now they should have the extra loot to re-up Coburn. 

Article 9.2. "As used in this Article, age, including First SPC Signing Age, means a Player's age on September 15 of the calendar year in which he signs an SPC, regardless of his actual age on the date he signs such SPC."


the CBA is the biggest clusterfarg in all of sports.  One part says that its not going to be honored since it has passed the June 30th deadline, but this part says he falls within the timeframe, either way they'll lose a year or two for a lockout between now and when he retires. 

if they win a cup between now and then, the trade and contract were both 100% worth it.

Quote from: Die-Hard on July 07, 2009, 05:06:30 PM
if they win a cup between now and then, the trade and contract were both 100% worth it.

You just summed up the last 8 pages of this thread in one sentence.

Well done.

Thanks pal...if you thought I was gonna read 8 pages of drivel before I post the first thing that came to mind when I heard an extension was done, youre crazier than I thought you were.

This guy... :yay :yay ... liked that post.

you guys would hate my world

on friday i spent like two hours at a bar talking about the trade with a bunch of people

Updated: July 7, 2009, 6:41 PM ET
Flyers sign Pronger to extension

Chris Pronger may get to finish his NHL career with Philadelphia after all.

One day after announcing at his introductory press conference that he would "love to finish his career" with the Flyers, Pronger agreed to a five-year, $34.45 million extension.

Pronger will earn $6.5 million this season. The extension will begin in 2010-11. He will make $7.6 million in the first two years, $7.2 million in 2012-13, $7 million in 2013-14, $4 million in 2014-15, and $525,000 in both 2015-16 and 2016-17.

"We are pleased to have one of the NHL's premier defensemen in our organization and under contract long term," Flyers GM Paul Holmgren said in a statement. "When we made the trade for Chris, it was our intention to get him signed to an extension and we are glad we could come to this agreement today."

The Flyers acquired Pronger, and forward Ryan Dingle from the Anaheim Ducks on Day 1 of the NHL Entry Draft in exchange for forward Joffrey Lupul, defenseman Luca Sbisa, the Ducks' first round picks in 2009 and 2010, and a conditional third round pick.

"I am very excited to be able to retire a Philadelphia Flyer and I am looking forward to many years with the Flyers logo on my chest," Pronger said in a statement announcing the deal. "I think both parties wanted to get it handled in a timely fashion in order to move on and get things set up for future years down the line so that the Flyers could make moves either this year or next year, and know that they had me in place."

The Flyers are Pronger's fifth NHL team. He was drafted second overall in 1993 by Hartford and spent the majority of his career in St. Louis before he was traded to Edmonton in 2005 in a four-player deal. After the 2005-06 season, Pronger famously demanded a trade from Edmonton, citing family concerns. In July of 2006, Pronger was dealt to Anaheim for Lupul, Ladislav Smid, and three draft picks. Pronger won the Stanley Cup with Anaheim in 2007.

Last season, Pronger scored 11 goals and 48 points and notched 88 penalty minutes in 82 games. For his career, Pronger has 142 goals and 606 points in 1,022 games.

The five-time All-Star is known for his physical style and punishing hits and has been suspended on numerous occasions.

"I think he plays with an attitude. That's what you love about him," Flyers coach John Stevens said at Pronger's introductory press conference Monday.

The Flyers, known for years as the Broad Street Bullies for an aggressive playing style that dates back to the 1970s, acquired Pronger in order to match up with Eastern Conference stars Sidney Crosby and Alex Ovechkin.

Philadelphia hasn't hoisted the Cup since winning the second of back-to-back titles in 1975.

"I think I'm probably a big piece," Pronger said at his Monday conference. "I don't think I'm the key piece. The key piece is the group coming together at the right time and having that chemistry."

Pronger won the Hart Memorial Trophy for league MVP and the James Norris Memorial Trophy as NHL's best defenseman in 1999-00.

Information from ESPN.com's Pierre LeBrun and The Associated Press was used in this report.

Im totally buying that shirt now, and wearing it when your ass comes up north this year to tailgate.

(http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/7500/jaymiketailgate.jpg)

Don't forget the caution tape.

Ugh.  :puke

Mike...buy the shirt and wear it to a national or international landmark and take a pic. Jef loves to see those types.

Is that sean bent over puking yet again?

I was going to post the photo of us burning the T.O. jersey but I don't have access to it here.

That picture rules, though.

hahah holy shtein i havent seen that shot in ages...

thats seans old red pathfinder on the right, so you may be dead on with the puke call

QuoteDREGER: DEBATE BREWING OVER PRONGER'S CONTRACT
DARREN DREGER

If Chris Pronger retires with term and salary remaining on his contract after next season, does his money stay on the Flyers' cap?

There's some confusion today in Philadelphia over that simple question.

According to the NHL, the answer is yes. The seven-year, $35 million extension Pronger agreed to on Tuesday doesn't commence until after June 30, 2010. Pronger will be 35 at that point and any remaining salary will remain on the cap.

The Flyers disagree and interpret the CBA language governing the "over 35" clause differently.

Sources say the Flyers' lawyers are now aware of the league's stance and are debating this issue.

Chris Pronger turns 35 on October 10, almost a full year before his seven-year extension with the Flyers kicks in.

hard to believe they didn't iron this out before they signed the contract

The CBA expires in September 2011 so maybe they're banking on the cap going away entirely by the time the contract becomes a problem?

the cap is going DOWN in 2010 no chance the league allows an uncapped year in 2011 ...there would be a cancelled season before that happens

Quote from: SunMo on July 08, 2009, 04:15:41 PM

QuoteDREGER: DEBATE BREWING OVER PRONGER'S CONTRACT
DARREN DREGER

If Chris Pronger retires with term and salary remaining on his contract after next season, does his money stay on the Flyers' cap?

There's some confusion today in Philadelphia over that simple question.

According to the NHL, the answer is yes. The seven-year, $35 million extension Pronger agreed to on Tuesday doesn't commence until after June 30, 2010. Pronger will be 35 at that point and any remaining salary will remain on the cap.

The Flyers disagree and interpret the CBA language governing the "over 35" clause differently.

Sources say the Flyers' lawyers are now aware of the league's stance and are debating this issue.

Chris Pronger turns 35 on October 10, almost a full year before his seven-year extension with the Flyers kicks in.

hard to believe they didn't iron this out before they signed the contract

Flyers need to hire Bannerz

Quote from: ice grillin you on July 08, 2009, 05:00:45 PM
the cap is going DOWN in 2010 no chance the league allows an uncapped year in 2011 ...there would be a cancelled season before that happens

The CBA expires after 2011.  When it expires, everything is in play again unless they renegotiate an extension.  If that happens then the situation regarding Pronger's contract might be completely different than it is now.  The players union might insist on the 35 or older provision being removed.  Then again, they might not. 

Niittymaki said yesterday he was signing with Emery's Russian team to replace him, then today he changed his mind and signed with the Lightning...

NHL schedule comes out today at 3

press conference at 2 at Fenway to announce the Flyers/Bruins game

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seems a bit early to set up?  still warm no?

red sox still have to play there as well

you guys are funny

And let's not kid ourselves. It isn't warm up here. farging 60s in July.

NHL network or CSN are showing the live broadcast of the announcement now

would be funny if they got rained out

2009-10 schedule (http://flyers.nhl.com/team/app?service=page&page=SubseasonSchedule)

open Friday 10/2 at Carolina then go to Jersey the next night
home opener = 10/6 vs Washington
Halloween day game vs Carolina
Black Friday game = 11/27 vs Buffalo
usual holiday road trip = 12/23 through 1/3 but they never leave the Eastern time zone
end the season with a home-and-home vs the Rangers

Western teams w/ home-and-home:
Minnesota, Dallas, San Jose

Western teams coming to Philly:
Chicago, Columbus, Detroit, St. Louis
Vancouver
Anaheim

Western cities visiting:
Nashville
Calgary, Colorado, Edmonton
Los Angeles, Phoenix

Andrew Alberts is outta here......signed with Carolina

Great. Another year of Jones.

a couple of minor signings by the Flyers:

-- C Krys Kolanos (MIN)
-- RW Jason Ward (TB)

Biron signed with the Isles, 1 year $1.4 million. What an idiot.

Maybe he'll finally break out that Bernie Parent mask (http://www1.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/101-10042008-1600650.html) with the Islanders.

Ruskkies go home (http://flyers.nhl.com/team/app?articleid=451230&page=NewsPage&service=page)

HAHA
http://www.flyersphans.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2373993&postcount=341

Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on July 24, 2009, 12:10:35 PM
HAHA
http://www.flyersphans.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2373993&postcount=341

That thread was gold even before that post...now it's legendary. I'm pretty sure he gets off on the attention/abuse.

Quote from: SD_Eagle on July 22, 2009, 08:55:36 PM
Biron signed with the Isles, 1 year $1.4 million. What an idiot.

thouth he was going to Ottawa. 

QuoteWhile the Flyers' defensive corps looks shored up on paper, Randy Jones, Matt Carle and Ryan Parent could have some competition when training camp opens in September.

Unrestricted free agent Ole-Kristian Tollefsen, a bruising, 6-2 defenseman, was examined by Flyers doctors in Philadelphia on Saturday. Tollefsen has been riddled with injuries over the last two seasons with the Columbus Blue Jackets. He required two arthroscopic knee surgeries, and had an "upper-body injury'' last season.

For the first time the Flyers are offering lower level seats as part of there 11 game plan.  Snagged two seats section 117 row 24 in the Black plan.  Pretty psyched :)

i have these remaining games from my season tickets...if anyone wants any

$50 a game for two seats

Saturday   October 24      7 pm      Panthers
Monday   November 2      7 pm      Lightning
Thursday   November 12      7 pm      Senators
Thursday   December 3      7 pm       Canucks
Tuesday   December 8      7 pm       Islanders
Thursday   December 10      7 pm      Senators
Tuesday   January 12      7 pm      Stars
Thursday   March 25      7 pm      Wild

If those Pens for the 17th or the Rangers for the 21st are still available after my trip, I'll take a pair off you igs. But I gotta wait til after Vegas to see what my cash situation is.

lol @ him giving you anything

i just might take that pens game, though i prob need 3 tickets together.

VERY cool...

(http://enrico.blogs.com/.a/6a00d83451af4b69e20120a4e5e902970b-500wi)

(http://enrico.blogs.com/.a/6a00d83451af4b69e20120a4e5efd5970b-500wi)

(http://enrico.blogs.com/.a/6a00d83451af4b69e20120a53ce8eb970c-pi)

Briere article (http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/columnists/20090813_Sam_Donnellon__Briere_ready_to_prove_to_Flyers__fans_that_he_s_worth_it.html)

"I'm still here and I'm not an overpaid injured bust.  No really.  Stop laughing."

for MDS
http://www.flyersphans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=127409

QuoteOK here's the scoop. none of the experienced writers in the room want the job, so the sports editor (pat mcclone-sp) is starting an external search. the hockey beat is considered (by far) the lowest rung on the totem pole, and the travel is brutal. so they are looking outside.

MDS would be perfect, another guy who hates hockey

im interviewing at an email marketing software company on friday. i would obviously love this but would bet major $ they find someone who has covered the team before. also i dont hate hockey, i hate the nhl.

lol at the travel is brutal.  oh, boo hoo you bitches.  suck it up and do the job, already. 

lol at Todd

Quote from: MDS on September 08, 2009, 10:45:05 PM
also i dont hate hockey, i hate the nhl.

so youre a big AHL fan?

also i dont think you have to be stan fischler to get this job but you would have to least minimally know about the sport which would automatically disqualify you

Fischler doesnt know shtein about hockey, he's an abortion to hockey. 

lolollol...hes old now...but before you were born or at the very least knew what hockey was he was a god.....and hes forgotten more about hockey than probably anyone in the world has ever known...dook has literally written like 100 books on the sport and has been involved in covering it for over 50 years

he should have burned in an oven

Quote from: ice grillin you on September 09, 2009, 08:47:31 AM

Quote from: MDS on September 08, 2009, 10:45:05 PM
also i dont hate hockey, i hate the nhl.

so youre a big AHL fan?

also i dont think you have to be stan fischler to get this job but you would have to least minimally know about the sport which would automatically disqualify you

i know enough now and then i would learn. i will now use spite as my motivation to get this job and ruin the flyers for you jews.

Quote from: ice grillin you on September 09, 2009, 11:04:54 AM
lolollol...hes old now...but before you were born or at the very least knew what hockey was he was a god.....and hes forgotten more about hockey than probably anyone in the world has ever known...dook has literally written like 100 books on the sport and has been involved in covering it for over 50 years

Wrong. He's an idiot. Half the shtein he writes is completely baseless and moronic.

Even when he was younger.

He's also a class A douchebag. I worked with him when I was an intern at SportsChannel NY for 2 years while in college (yes, he was much younger then). He was hated by all, and rightfully so. What a farging icehole to the highest degree.

worse than mike lupica

Quote from: PhillyGirl on September 09, 2009, 11:39:36 PM

Quote from: ice grillin you on September 09, 2009, 11:04:54 AM
lolollol...hes old now...but before you were born or at the very least knew what hockey was he was a god.....and hes forgotten more about hockey than probably anyone in the world has ever known...dook has literally written like 100 books on the sport and has been involved in covering it for over 50 years

Wrong. He's an idiot. Half the shtein he writes is completely baseless and moronic.

Even when he was younger.

He's also a class A douchebag. I worked with him when I was an intern at SportsChannel NY for 2 years while in college (yes, he was much younger then). He was hated by all, and rightfully so. What a farging icehole to the highest degree.

name one hockey writer in history better than him...............ill be waiting

Quote from: ice grillin you on September 10, 2009, 02:03:25 AM

Quote from: PhillyGirl on September 09, 2009, 11:39:36 PM

Quote from: ice grillin you on September 09, 2009, 11:04:54 AM
lolollol...hes old now...but before you were born or at the very least knew what hockey was he was a god.....and hes forgotten more about hockey than probably anyone in the world has ever known...dook has literally written like 100 books on the sport and has been involved in covering it for over 50 years

Wrong. He's an idiot. Half the shtein he writes is completely baseless and moronic.

Even when he was younger.

He's also a class A douchebag. I worked with him when I was an intern at SportsChannel NY for 2 years while in college (yes, he was much younger then). He was hated by all, and rightfully so. What a farging icehole to the highest degree.

name one hockey writer in history better than him...............ill be waiting

Anyone on TSN   BAAAm

white throwback jersey for the Winter Classic (http://www.thehockeynews.com/articles/27811-Flyers-will-wear-special-edition-jerseys-for-Winter-Classic.html)

hockey sucks but that jersey is money

BUTTA JOINT

Quote from: Sgt PSN on September 11, 2009, 02:18:50 PM
hockey sucks but that jersey is money

Your face sucks. Penises.

(http://media.philly.com/images/9112009_flyers5_600.jpg)

Briere is gonna have a huge season for the Flyers.

Book it.

huge as in, most games missed due to injury?

As huge as your cock.

So he'll score some goals but overall will be underwhelming and pathetic on the forecheck?

flyers are on the nhl network tonight

OMG PRESEASON HOCKEY!

JVR!!   :crazy :crazy :crazy :crazy :crazy :crazy :crazy :crazy

I havent seen him play yet, but from everything i've read, they have been giving him top line minutes, and he's doing well.  No Pronger though tonight.  Probably better that he not get hurt in the preseason as i expect him to

BOUUUUCHEEEE

Christ i love Canada, the production level takes you inside the game.  This game is in London, where the Knights play JR.  Pretty cool they had all the London players out there signing autographs before the game. 

Cote is gonna drop the gloves in a shift.  Or not

JVR looks like a slug.  All the talent in the world, no heart. 

4-0 Leafs zzzzzzz

didn't know Susquach plays hockey ...
(http://media.philly.com/images/091809_flyers3_410.jpg)

"Meet the Flyers" is on CSN tonight at 7

still winless and still undisciplined

I'm still curious to see what they end up doing with the lines. Does Briere go up with Richards and Gagne (if he even plays)? Giroux with Carter and Hartnell? Or do you find a way to keep Giroux and Briere together after the chemistry they seemed to develop last year?

Is the last line really going to be 3 people that fight?

Flyers beat the redwings 5-2 and JVR had 2 goals

I saw him on a line with Giroux at one point...did they keep that going all night?

Worst article ever (http://www.flyersinsider.com/newspages/season_preview.html)
The spelling errors are amazing. 

lst night on espnnews melrose picked the flyers to win the eastern conference...he also cut his mullet

Maybe that broke his bad streak of picking the wrong team every year

tonight's game vs NJ is on CSN

JVR and Danny Syvret made the opening day roster

randy jones sent down to the Phantoms

Randy Jones is a fag

One things ive noticed watching JVR play, is that the puck just follows him around.  He might not want it in his hands to win a game on a breakaway yet, but he seems so far to be one of those players who the puck gravitates to.  Richards was an animal last night, had a huge crosscheck to the dome againt Clutterbuck, and he leveled Belanger. 

flyer 3rd and 4th lines might score a combined 20 goals this year

Quote from: ice grillin you on September 30, 2009, 04:54:22 PM
flyer 3rd and 4th lines might score a combined 20 goals this year

Bet? 

yeah a million bucks

you don't have the cash to cover that...fargen jerk

igy works for the federal government... he'll just have Bernanke print that shtein up. It's all stimulus.

Quote from: SunMo on September 30, 2009, 05:11:53 PM
you don't have the cash to cover that...fargen jerk

He'll welch on it

I'm highly stimulated just reading this thread.

Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on September 30, 2009, 04:59:39 PM

Quote from: ice grillin you on September 30, 2009, 04:54:22 PM
flyer 3rd and 4th lines might score a combined 20 goals this year

Bet? 

Give me my Million dollars mister

LOL
http://flyers.nhl.com/club/stats.htm

nm

http://www.hockeysfuture.com/articles/12293/joacim_eriksson_new_top_prospect_for_philadephia_flyers/

Long weekend?

Nodl in top 10 = bad

Actually their prospects arent horrible, but the fact that they dont have any upper echelon talent is scary. 

all the more reason why the sting of being at the doorstep and still losing last year will linger for a long, long time.

Quote from: Die-Hard on September 07, 2010, 06:12:48 PM
all the more reason why the sting of being at the doorstep and still losing last year will linger for a long, long time.

\
Try living out here in Illinois with all the douchebag Hawk "fans" my 7yr old boy wore his/my old #22 tocchet jersey to school last friday for Orange and black day (their team mascot is the tigers) and got put on yellow by his teacher. The reason, he got in an argument with a classmate over the hawks/flyers series. When i asked what happened, he said the kid was teasing him cause the flyers lost, "but dad, he didnt know any blackhawks, so i told him over and over he was a bandwagon fan and i got in trouble". My boy got ice cream friday night!!

Should've also taught him what laxatives are and how to be incognito while administering them.

does anyone even remotely believe that story....especially the part about a seven year old saying another kid didnt know any players on the other team

Wifey just got me tickets for 10/26.  Her school here in MD is actually hosting a family night event for the game, you cant even watch any games down here unless you change your address and have DTV with Center Ice.  Guess the cup run found new fans. 

Quote from: ice grillin you on September 08, 2010, 07:31:36 AM
does anyone even remotely believe that story....especially the part about a seven year old saying another kid didnt know any players on the other team

ha

Quote from: ice grillin you on September 08, 2010, 07:31:36 AM
does anyone even remotely believe that story....especially the part about a seven year old saying another kid didnt know any players on the other team

maybe the ice cream part

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Flyers play tonight suckas, time for some channel flippin

bob looks pretty damn good

lol @ a preseason shootout...could there be anything worse

only saving grace is that we get to see bob in a shootout

Who's Bob?

russian goalie savoir

giroux and richards with buttery goodness in the shootout


and bob says holla nhl

He's some pole or Russian or other eastern european....bobaskfadkfnasky

Leighton isn't "the guy?"

He's the guy a little bit more than Kolb is the guy

Laviotlette was on DNL earlier talking about this guy having a "bright future", not sure what that means for this year though.

preseason hockey on sept 21

just

come on

Nothing grinds KDS' gears more than hockey talk.

in the midst of football and another legendary phillies run this is the last thing we need to be talking about

Which would make sense if the other threads were being ignored for this one.


Calm down scrappy.

BOB is the shtein.  He's never had a goalie coach before.  You'll hear that a million times over the season but its pretty impressive. 

lol Around The Horn is going to talk about a preseason hockey fight in the Flyers game last night, and they froze the picture on the little kids who were right at the boards where the fight happened. Hilarious.

Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on September 21, 2010, 10:25:50 PM
BOB is the shtein.  He's never had a goalie coach before. 

The Flyers will coach and farg him up good.

They'll coach him up, give him a lot of money, then bench him in favor of a guy fresh out of prison.

they actually have a new goalie coach, well new last year, but the old hack is gone

how do you coach goalies anyway

stop the little black thing

thanks coach

That's racist.

Quote from: ice grillin you on September 22, 2010, 06:56:30 PM
how do you coach goalies anyway

stop the little black thing

You make him register as a Republican and change all the presets on his car stereo to Limbaugh.   

Quote from: ice grillin you on September 22, 2010, 06:56:30 PM
how do you coach goalies anyway

stop the little black thing

thanks coach

I'm 100% sure thats all Lemelin did for years, Reese actually taught positioning, puck play, and the mental aspect.  He's the reason Leighton came on so strong. 

not for nothin...but i knew you were going to answer that legitimately

i hate myself sometimes. 

so who told jeff carter it would be a good idea to dye his hair so he looks like a ken doll

there's a game against the Leafs on NHL Network right now

tomorrow nites game is on as well

I like Rinaldo's game

penalty shot

think its safe to say reemer wont be in the top 3 pentalty shooters anytime soon

and my god the flyer uniforms are spectacular...one of the great decisions in philly sports history to get away from black and go back to orange...not to mention going 70's

other than possibly chicago they now have the best uniforms in the nhl

Lehtivuori had a heck of a shot for a Dman.  Actually the younger Dmen looked pretty good, Bourdon had a goal, Lehtivuori looked solid for a smaller guy.  Testweed sucks, he talked a big game, but he's basically JVR without hands.   Speakign of which, JVR did bulk up, and he's been taking the body over the past two games from what i've seen.  Guerin makes this team, and i'm not sure who gets cut out.  The Shelly signing sucks more and more.  The Leafs broadcasters called it that Shelly got paid for nothing more than One game, the last game with the Rags. 

Leighton - bulging disk - out 1 month
Lappy - post-concussion symptoms - out indefinitely

yeah, he lied about his symptoms so he could get back for the Finals.

i hope he doesn't Andrew Waters himself later in life.

Quote from: SunMo on September 28, 2010, 12:24:01 PM
Andrew Waters

Dead.

oh i had never really heard of him before, is that wrong?

Quote from: SunMo on September 28, 2010, 12:24:01 PM
yeah, he lied about his symptoms so he could get back for the Finals.

i hope he doesn't Andrew Waters himself later in life.

The difference between hockey players and fat fargs like Shawn Andrews and his back.

Quote from: Hawk on September 28, 2010, 03:07:45 PM

Quote from: SunMo on September 28, 2010, 12:24:01 PM
yeah, he lied about his symptoms so he could get back for the Finals.

i hope he doesn't Andrew Waters himself later in life.

The difference between hockey players and fat fargs like Shawn Andrews and his back.

i dont know where the irony lays in this

the fact that a flyers player just went out with a bad back or that nfl players pretty much end up crippled or dead because of what they play thru

Quote from: ice grillin you on September 28, 2010, 09:51:40 PM

Quote from: Hawk on September 28, 2010, 03:07:45 PM

Quote from: SunMo on September 28, 2010, 12:24:01 PM
yeah, he lied about his symptoms so he could get back for the Finals.

i hope he doesn't Andrew Waters himself later in life.

The difference between hockey players and fat fargs like Shawn Andrews and his back.

J
i dont know where the irony lays in this

the fact that a flyers player just went out with a bad back or that nfl players pretty much end up crippled or dead because of what they play thru

Shawn Andrews won't be one of them.   You don't need a knee replacement after getting your Michael Phelps on.  My comment wasn't a dig at football players just Andrews.

I think its taht Andrews gaper was huge, where as Lappy had balls of steele after his brain bled.  He probably ruined his career by playing in the finals, but he got to play at least. 

balls of steel skull of jello

im sure it was worth it tho

Quote from: ice grillin you on September 29, 2010, 08:06:53 AM
balls of steel skull of jello

im sure it was worth it tho

Let's be honest.  With the amount of research done on players succeeding concussions, and their adverse effects, he was probably farged either way.

tonight's game is on TCN if you don't wanna watch the AAA Phillies

Bill Guerin released from try-out contract.  Film at never.

does the season really start on thursday? i mean really?

Quote from: MDS on October 04, 2010, 03:12:29 PM
You are ignoring this user Show me the post.

sb you cant pull that joke off, you know you love me/everyone even munson

Still get chills watching some of the vids from last years run...even the corny history will be made commercials

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOhJLXrrAR8&feature=related

Laperriere is done for the year and may have to retire because of nerve damage

Just sad news. Guy plays hard as anyone in the NHL. Sucks.

But in happy news, Briere and Leino are celebrating their birthdays today!