QuoteBrian Dawkins Signs in Denver
Friday, February 27, 2009
Posted By Mike Florio 4:38 PM
After 13 years with the Eagles, safety Brian Dawkins will have a new home.
David White of the San Francisco Chronicle reports that Dawkins has agreed to terms with the Broncos.
Dawkins, 35, had said during the season that he thought he'd work out a deal to end his career in Philly. It could still happen, but only after a stint with the Broncos.
:boom
Can't believe it. Can't fathom it.
Man, I hope that's not true.
link?
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/sfgate/detail?blogid=11&entry_id=36360
Wow. That's a real kick in the johnson.
this sucks
Mother farger.
Yeah, it sucks, he was the ultimate Eagle. But really, he's done, and we all saw it this year especailly in the NFCCG. If he can milk the Broncos for a few more mil, more power to him.
farg that. Yeah we all know he's pretty much done but he needed to be an Eagle for life. Period.
I can't wait to hear the fan reaction. The front office wonks won't be able to show their faces unless absolutely everything goes right this year...
disgusting.
I wonder what the douchebag front office taintlickers on the PTATE have to say about this.
I hate this FO so much.
Best of luck to him. Stupid Eagles.
Quote from: Magical_Retard on February 27, 2009, 05:16:12 PM
I hate this FO so much.
this...I just had the "kill the messenger" moment of the century calling MURP with this news. :-[
I just do not get it.
Not like they need the money. Not like he is impeding the growth of anyone on the roster.
Demps and Mikell at safety now? WTF? Wilson already signed with the Dolphins. No real free agents at safety so who do they get?
Or are they going to just promote Demps simply because he is their draft pick and thus destined to be a star?
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Most games played as an Eagle, the heart of the team, a fan favorite....and they let him go to Denver. zesty.
It's not even about Demps....I personally think he'll end up being a solid safety.
Of course another year or two to learn from Dawkins might have helped a little bit. Just maybe.
And again, Dawkins needed to be an Eagle for life, no matter what.
What complete pieces of shtein! Motherfarger.
Who will be the first one to go Extreme Skins and admit to crying? Or post some poetry that they wrote to Dawk? Or admit that their first sexual experience was jerking off to clips of him breaking Michael Vick's life?
I'm guessing it will be MDS.
Quote from: Munson on February 27, 2009, 05:26:52 PM
Dawkins needed to be an Eagle for life, no matter what.
It would have been great, and is what
should have happened, but in todays NFL, it's not what
does happen, especially with the Eagles. No one in the FO cares about the fans, what they think of Darth, or him ending his career here.
As long as they include the Dawk-plex gif, they can post whatever they want there.
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Quote from: Magical_Retard on February 27, 2009, 05:24:00 PM
I just do not get it.
Not like they need the money. Not like he is impeding the growth of anyone on the roster.
Demps and Mikell at safety now? WTF? Wilson already signed with the Dolphins. No real free agents at safety so who do they get?
Or are they going to just promote Demps simply because he is their draft pick and thus destined to be a star?
or maybe they're actually considering that Sheldon-to-safety thing, because there's nobody else in FA or the draft that's exciting. arggg....Why did Taylor Mays have to go back to USC.....
Listening to WIP and Eskin said he texted Sheldon and Sheldon said he hasn't heard this. WIP also called the Denver Post and they have not heard this either.
hmmm...
Who starts at corner?
Sheldon had the best season out of all the corners on this team and they would move him to safety?
Where did this rumor even come from? I never ever heard any indication of this from the Eagles.
farg Joe Banner that stupid little jew...all the money they have under the cap and they let him walk.
Quote from: King Cole on February 27, 2009, 05:40:37 PM
Listening to WIP and Eskin said he texted Sheldon and Sheldon said he hasn't heard this. WIP also called the Denver Post and they have not heard this either.
hmmm...
can someone confirm this?
Eskin called Dawk's agent and he said the report is not true he hasn't signed yet. But also said it doesn't mean he won't sign. Just hasn't signed yet.
Maybe re-signing Hanson to a starters contract means Sheldon to safety. Or maybe they go after another corner like Bodden if he's still out there and if Dawk does in fact go.
The Eagles better match whatever it is the Broncos are offering. Letting him go like this... that shtein just ain't right.
Wow. I know his skills have diminished, but this is a real kick in the nuts.
This is the suckiest of sucking as an Eagles fan. BOOOO front office dickbags.
Quote from: rjs246 on February 27, 2009, 05:30:49 PM
Who will be the first one to go Extreme Skins and admit to crying? Or post some poetry that they wrote to Dawk?
Roses are sometimes reddish
Violets are purple though
Dawkins is finished
If this turns out to not be true can we all agree to murder King Cole's face and genitals?
Why wait?
I am holding every single shred of hope to an Eskin report.
Just kill me now.
Quote from: King Cole on February 27, 2009, 05:44:47 PM
Eskin called Dawk's agent and he said the report is not true he hasn't signed yet. But also said it doesn't mean he won't sign. Just hasn't signed yet.
Stacey Andrews hasn't signed yet, officially he's in town on a 'visit' but pending a physical he's a $7 million a year man. Writings on the wall, the Eagles front office blows and Banner is a stupid twatface jew.
So who wants to pitch in to get MURP a blue and orange Dawkins jersey?
Quote from: rjs246 on February 27, 2009, 06:00:40 PM
If this turns out to not be true can we all agree to murder King Cole's face and genitals?
I'm not gonna lie to my buddies at CF, c'mon now.
But Eskin really said this. Again, he also said it doesn't mean he won't sign soon, but he has not signed yet according to his agent.
farg motherfarging farg shtein shteinfarg!!!!!!AHHHHHHH!!! I am farging sick...actually ill, like a close family member died....
I actually feel as bad right now than I did after they lost the SB.
I know, you'll all laugh at me, but I do.
Quote from: RezRob on February 27, 2009, 06:04:09 PM
farg motherfarging farg shtein shteinfarg!!AHHHHHHH! I am farging sick...actually ill, like a close family member died....
We have our ExtremeSkins winner!
Quote from: rjs246 on February 27, 2009, 05:30:49 PM
Who will be the first one to go Extreme Skins and admit to crying? Or post some poetry that they wrote to Dawk? Or admit that their first sexual experience was jerking off to clips of him breaking Michael Vick's life?
I'm guessing it will be MDS.
WINNER!
Quote from: RezRob on February 27, 2009, 06:04:09 PM
farg motherfarging farg shtein shteinfarg!!AHHHHHHH! I am farging sick...actually ill, like a close family member died....
If it's true, I'll be able to get a great deal on a Dawkins jersey, so there's a worthwhile silver lining.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on February 27, 2009, 06:05:49 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on February 27, 2009, 05:30:49 PM
Who will be the first one to go Extreme Skins and admit to crying? Or post some poetry that they wrote to Dawk? Or admit that their first sexual experience was jerking off to clips of him breaking Michael Vick's life?
I'm guessing it will be MDS.
WINNER!
Quote from: RezRob on February 27, 2009, 06:04:09 PM
farg motherfarging farg shtein shteinfarg!!AHHHHHHH! I am farging sick...actually ill, like a close family member died....
Whaddadouche.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on February 27, 2009, 06:05:14 PM
I actually feel as bad right now than I did after they lost the SB.
I know, you'll all laugh at me, but I do.
And the runner up.
In hindsight, I should have known PG would factor in somehow.
Quote from: General_Failure on February 27, 2009, 06:02:51 PM
So who wants to pitch in to get MURP a blue and orange Dawkins jersey?
similar color to Clemson.
Quote from: Zanshin on February 27, 2009, 06:06:58 PM
If it's true, I'll be able to get a great deal on a Dawkins jersey, so there's a worthwhile silver lining.
Jersey wise this is perfect timing for me, I got one of those Dawk Singapore knock offs and the stitching is starting to come out and the logos are starting to peel. I had to stop washing it because I was afraid it was gonna disintegrate.
Denver just signed Renaldo Hill to a 4-yr deal...hmmm
you guys have neat smile thingys.
Quote from: BigEd76 on February 27, 2009, 06:11:05 PM
Denver just signed Renaldo Hill to a 4-yr deal...hmmm
Dawkins AND Hill? But why?
I think that was his point.
Hey, whatever.
Money-grubbing corksuckers.
Adam Schefter said that Dawkins hadn't signed yet and he was still talking with both Denver and Philly.
Maybe they're putting Dawk at SS in Denver?
CBS4 in Denver:
QuoteDespite a report in the San Francisco Chronicle that the Broncos have reached an agreement with Dawkins, there are no indications that any sort of deal has been done.
The NFL Network reports that Dawkins will talk to the Broncos, but still plans to speak with his current team in Philadelphia.
They're moving him to corner.
We should organize a candle light vigil at the Linc for Dawk and post it on youtube to show how great we are
I'll have to re-name my cat if Dawkins leaves.
This thread is gay.
cats are for the gays
Dawkins has a cat.
Quote from: Rome on February 27, 2009, 06:26:40 PM
I'll have to re-name my cat if Dawkins leaves.
Kent do you mind if I name my first kid after you? Dipshtein Knight has a nice ring to it.
Wow - two gay comments.
Great start.
Pat Bolan (aka Mr. Year Round Tan) canoe surfs where SeaBiscuits bro and I go. See Romonowski out there all the time - priceless sight on a surfboard. I'll be sure to ask him "WHAT THE farg HAVE YOU DONE?" than take out my hatred for Joe Banner and Bud Selig on him and strangle him with my leash and push his limp, lifeless body out to see which will hopefully be devoured by tiger sharks or chopped into little pieces by a passing ocean freighter.
Is is just me or does anyone else here not really give much of a shtein if he leaves? Everyone goes eventually and if Dawk can find himself a team that will pay him a big contract one last time then good for him. And honestly I'd rather have someone who isn't old as farg back there anyway.
Time to move on.
Quote from: Rome on February 27, 2009, 06:39:11 PM
Is is just me or does anyone else here not really give much of a shtein if he leaves? Everyone goes eventually and if Dawk can find himself a team that will pay him a big contract one last time then good for him. And honestly I'd rather have someone who isn't old as farg back there anyway.
Time to move on.
Who do we have to replace him?
No one. No one will ever be able to replace him. Just fold the franchise now.
Quote from: Rome on February 27, 2009, 06:42:29 PM
No one. No one will ever be able to replace him. Just fold the franchise now.
Big fat ::)
I think he means who will replace him at his position right now. No one on this team is able to "step in" to that position and equal Dawkins, even at the downside of his career.
Quote from: Rome on February 27, 2009, 06:39:11 PM
Is is just me or does anyone else here not really give much of a shtein if he leaves? Everyone goes eventually and if Dawk can find himself a team that will pay him a big contract one last time then good for him. And honestly I'd rather have someone who isn't old as farg back there anyway.
Time to move on.
I probably wouldn't be
as upset if they already had a replacement or a young stud waiting in the wings.
Quote from: bowzer on February 27, 2009, 06:40:57 PM
Quote from: Rome on February 27, 2009, 06:39:11 PM
Is is just me or does anyone else here not really give much of a shtein if he leaves? Everyone goes eventually and if Dawk can find himself a team that will pay him a big contract one last time then good for him. And honestly I'd rather have someone who isn't old as farg back there anyway.
Time to move on.
Who do we have to replace him?
It won't be right to see Dawkins playing for another team, but I'm not going to be upset if and when he goes. The guy has nothing left in the tank. Replacing that isn't going to be a problem. There are any number of guys who can be a non-factor for most of a season. The personality though, that's going to be irreplaceable.
Quote from: General_Failure on February 27, 2009, 06:44:37 PM
Quote from: bowzer on February 27, 2009, 06:40:57 PM
Quote from: Rome on February 27, 2009, 06:39:11 PM
Is is just me or does anyone else here not really give much of a shtein if he leaves? Everyone goes eventually and if Dawk can find himself a team that will pay him a big contract one last time then good for him. And honestly I'd rather have someone who isn't old as farg back there anyway.
Time to move on.
Who do we have to replace him?
It won't be right to see Dawkins playing for another team, but I'm not going to be upset if and when he goes. The guy has nothing left in the tank. Replacing that isn't going to be a problem. There are any number of guys who can be a non-factor for most of a season. The personality though, that's going to be irreplaceable.
I will be upset cause it means our cheap front office will once show that it doesn't give a farg about any player or any of the fanbase. 2 years for a safety isn't going to cripple our cap, especially when we just gave crazy's brother 7 a year.
Quote from: bowzer on February 27, 2009, 06:46:39 PM
our cheap front office will once show that it doesn't give a farg about any player or any of the fanbase.
What, this is news to you?
What's the point of even having cap room when the taterskins sign 100 million dollar players being 878977987979 million over the cap?
Quote from: King Cole on February 27, 2009, 06:52:51 PM
What's the point of even having cap room when the taterskins sign 100 million dollar players being 878977987979 million over the cap?
link?
John Clayton apparently confirming the signing
I'm gonna cry. I just diced some onions.
Lupul scores for a case of tastycakes!
Quote from: Rome on February 27, 2009, 07:09:44 PM
I'm gonna cry. I just diced some onions.
Wife got signed by the Broncos too?
lol
Some Bullshtein...
2 years 7 million is the rumor?
THATS IT?
CBS4 in Denver is reporting a done deal (http://cbs4denver.com/broncos/nfl.broncos.arrington.2.946200.html).
Quote from: King Cole on February 27, 2009, 07:14:54 PM
2 years 7 million is the rumor?
THATS IT?
That's a farging travesty if it's true. farg these cheap bastiches.
Yeah, that's ridiculous. Not like they needed the space for that, even if they made Dawk a part time player.
It's not like he was going to command a lot.. he's an older safety... cheaaaaaaaaaap
One article I read, and don't feel like digging up again, is he's going there specifically to be the guy with the radio in his helmet and call audibles.
What did the Eagle say when it flew over the NovaCare complex?
cheap cheap cheap cheap
Quote from: bowzer on February 27, 2009, 07:22:11 PM
It's not like he was going to command a lot.
Well no, only about 2 years and $7 mil.
It's going to be hilarious. The spin is going to be that he is too old and has nothing left, and 5 days later they will sign a 34 year old castoff from somewhere.
I guess we had to save that seven million for....??
Quote from: bowzer on February 27, 2009, 07:28:11 PM
I guess we had to save that seven million for....??
Avant might need a new contract soon.
I remember Dawk saying that in his interview with AR after the end of the season, Reid told him he wanted to bring him back next year.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on February 27, 2009, 07:12:05 PM
Lupul scores for a case of tastycakes!
your nuts should be cut off
Quote from: Eagaholic on February 27, 2009, 07:32:19 PM
I remember Dawk saying that in his interview with AR after the end of the season, Reid told him he wanted to bring him back next year.
Next year being the operative words. Eagles only offered a one year deal.
The latest from Schefter's Blog:
QuoteBuckhalter, Arrington to Denver, Dawkins not done
Posted: February 27th, 2009 | Adam Schefter | Tags: Brian Dawkins, Correll Buckhalter, Denver Broncos, J.J. Arrington
Free agent safety Brian Dawkins does not have a deal with the Broncos right now, contrary to reports. He is in the air and on the way to Denver right now. The Broncos do, however, have agreements with running backs Correll Buckhalter and J.J. Arrington.
I think the best we can hope for now is a plane crash.
God wouldn't let that happen to Dawk.
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on February 27, 2009, 07:33:27 PM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on February 27, 2009, 07:12:05 PM
Lupul scores for a case of tastycakes!
your nuts should be cut off
they're up 2-0, I go away from the TV for 10 minutes come back and they're down 3-2. wtf
???
Quote from: King Cole on February 27, 2009, 07:39:55 PM
The latest from Schefter's Blog:
QuoteBuckhalter, Arrington to Denver, Dawkins not done
Posted: February 27th, 2009 | Adam Schefter | Tags: Brian Dawkins, Correll Buckhalter, Denver Broncos, J.J. Arrington
Free agent safety Brian Dawkins does not have a deal with the Broncos right now, contrary to reports. He is in the air and on the way to Denver right now. The Broncos do, however, have agreements with running backs Correll Buckhalter and J.J. Arrington.
MURP's ready to kick my ass if I keep calling him with different news.
http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/moving_the_chains/Dawkins_not_a_done_deal_in_Denver.html
Quote from: SD_Eagle on February 27, 2009, 06:02:48 PM
Quote from: King Cole on February 27, 2009, 05:44:47 PM
Eskin called Dawk's agent and he said the report is not true he hasn't signed yet. But also said it doesn't mean he won't sign. Just hasn't signed yet.
Stacey Andrews hasn't signed yet, officially he's in town on a 'visit' but pending a physical he's a $7 million a year man. Writings on the wall, the Eagles front office blows and Banner is a stupid twatface jew.
Florio on PFT is saying it is a done deal now.
Whats his source?
Didn't say:
QuotePosted by Mike Florio: Friday, February 27, 2009 9:29 PM
After some conflicting reports on whether veteran safety Brian Dawkins had done a deal with the Denver Broncos, we're told that Dawkins finally has signed a contract to join the Broncos.
Dawkins was drafted by the Eagles way back in 1996, and he spent 13 seasons in Philly.
Seeing him in anything other than an Eagles uniform will be as bizarre as seeing Brett Favre as a Jet or Mike Vick as a member of the Mean Machine.
please please don't happen. this is a huge mistake. not only does this leave a huge hole in the secondary, this guy is the leader of the defense. this will be bad for the team if he goes. i know he's on his last leg, but this guy is crucial to the team. get it done FO.
Absolutely pathetic
http://www.myfoxphilly.com/dpp/news/Brian_Dawkins_Signs_With_Broncos
Fox 29 saying it now too.
Yeah, I've had a few beers tonight.
So I called 215-555-1212 and asked for Joe or Joseph Banner, so I could talk him off the ledge and NOT let Dawk go.
Turns out, the only J listing and Jerry, and after 3 minutes on the phone with him, I'm convinced he's not the guy I wanted.
farg
Do you have a black eye yet?
He was cooked anyway. Whatever, he's in someone else's laundry now.
Besides, wolverines are indigenous to the west, he'll fit in better.
Tell murp i love him
Nice... now Lurie can still swim around in his money bin like Scrooge Mcduck.
WHAT THE FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK
Quote from: mussa on February 27, 2009, 10:26:09 PM
Tell murp i love him
LOL, you call him and tell him yourself. He's out having a few (probably too many now that I told him the deal was done) drinks.
making the secondary worse must have been an offseason priority. and they're right on target.
Well this sucks...
Man I hate the farging Eagles some years...
The range of emotions I've had since this afternoon is crazy...
I get out of a meeting with a customer and have a voicemail from my boy saying the Broncos signed him.
All the way home I was on my phone trying to confirm, and could not find anything on ESPN or NFL.com.
Then I log on and read this thread from the beginning and go from angry, to happy, to hopeful, to angry, to happy and now I am downright pissed the farg off.
Are you kidding me Eagles?!
Are you farging kidding me?!?!?!?!?!
farg Andy Reid and Joe Banner...stupid cheap motherfargers.
So whats the verdict?
I'm seeing so many things.
The people on the EMB are saying that Tony Bruno said its not done. ANother is saying that 950AM is saying that Lurie may veto the decision to let him go.
Also...apparently Action News says no deal while FOX29 says yes.
Action News talked to the agent, who said "no deal yet". FOX29 was relaying the SF Gate story...
Spadaro's responses on EMB seem to indicate the Eagles don't necessarily want Dawk back...
QuoteI think the Eagles have shown, over the years, that they don't lose players who can still be very good for them. I think the Eagles have to proven they have made the right decision here to let Brian go, if that is indeed the case.
QuoteDude, if the Eagles REALLY wanted Dawk, they would have kept him. If the coaches REALLY wanted him, if they felt they could not replace him, they would have kept him.
QuoteUnfortunately, great players and fan icons are too often not able to retire with their teams. And Dawkins, it appears, joins that club.
Yeah, I've seen Dave's responses too.
ANy word on the Lurie veto thing?
I'm holding out hope...however slim the margin is....
He's right on point. If they wanted to keep him, he would've already been signed. They obviously don't want him back. So they'll let the anger subside for about a week, and then they'll sign a bum who's even more washed up than Dawk and try to sell that to the fans.
I cannot believe they are going to let him go and then sign some shteinbag farg like Jim Leonhard or James Sanders or whoever the farg and run his ass out there.
Just to twist the knife in deeper they'll probably give #20 to some undrafted rookie.
I actually like Jim Leonhard, but he's obviously no Dawk. He's a pretty good player who could be a solid signing. Certainly better than Sanders.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on February 28, 2009, 12:34:11 AM
Just to twist the knife in deeper they'll probably give #20 to some undrafted rookie.
This will totally happen.
ESPN is still not saying it's a done deal. Still saying "visiting with the broncos"
Quote from: Munson on February 28, 2009, 07:10:30 AM
ESPN is still not saying it's a done deal. Still saying "visiting with the broncos"
Denial ain't just a river in Egypt
NFL.com doesn't say it either. Still says his 2009 team "TBD" in their FA tracker.
I'm already trying to accept he's gone. Just sayin'.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on February 28, 2009, 08:08:00 AM
Quote from: Munson on February 28, 2009, 07:10:30 AM
ESPN is still not saying it's a done deal. Still saying "visiting with the broncos"
Denial ain't just a river in Egypt
I see what you did there.
Quote from: EagleFeva on February 28, 2009, 08:14:00 AM
NFL.com doesn't say it either. Still says his 2009 team "TBD" in their FA tracker.
I'm already trying to accept he's gone. Just sayin'.
That automatically happens when someone becomes an UFA.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on February 28, 2009, 08:26:11 AM
Quote from: EagleFeva on February 28, 2009, 08:14:00 AM
NFL.com doesn't say it either. Still says his 2009 team "TBD" in their FA tracker.
I'm already trying to accept he's gone. Just sayin'.
That automatically happens when someone becomes an UFA.
I know... but when you look up Buck, for example. It has his 2008 team as the Eagles and his 2009 team as the Broncos. Considine with the Jaguars, etc.
Ah, ok...I guess because they're saying Dawkins and the Broncos have come to terms on an agreement, the signing is just not done.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on February 28, 2009, 08:40:39 AM
Ah, ok...I guess because they're saying Dawkins and the Broncos have come to terms on an agreement, the signing is just not done.
Exactly.
(http://digitalderek.typepad.com/sawxblog/photos/2006/a_chance.jpeg)
"So, you're telling me there's a chance!!!"
Like I said, I'm holding out hope as much as I can, but its fading fast.
Yeah, I know he's good as gone too. Just, until it's official and they put pen to paper... I'm denying it like hell.
Farg Dawkins. Farg him and his Hugh Douglas routine. Sorry he blew all his money on comic books and need one more payday to support his family. He sure to hell isn't going to Denver for one more crack at a championship. Shame he couldn't retire a couple of years ago when it was clear he was no longer a premiere safety.
The Broncos signed Renaldo Hill already...why go after two safeties? Is Hill a strong safety?
I guess their D was awful last year...
Quote from: Diomedes on February 28, 2009, 09:16:54 AM
The Broncos signed Renaldo Hill already...why go after two safeties? Is Hill a strong safety?
I guess their D was awful last year...
I think he's also a FS?
Yeah, I just looked it up. FS with the Dolphins.
Why go after two free safeties?
Really good safeties can play either spot. Yes, there are differences, but still...
You guys are going to be really pissed off at yourselves when Dawkins changes his mind and re-signs with the Eagles.
hey maybe now we'll have a FS who can do more than watch the reciever run away from him when he gets matched up on the outside.
I don't care, as long as they retire #20 when he finally decides to hang them up.
They have to move on without him at some point soon. He was the 2nd best safety on the team last year, and it's not like Mikell is a stud.
That said, right now Mikell and Demps are the only two safeties on the roster, and I don't think I'm comfortable with Quinton "ridiculously retarded cheap shot" Demps as a starter just yet.
actually Mikell is a stud but other than that I agree.
Ed Reed is a stud. Mikell is pretty good.
lol @ mikell is a stud
mikell=stud
dawkins=overrated
mds=jew
all these things are true
Quote from: FastFreddie on February 28, 2009, 10:04:52 AM
I don't care, as long as they retire #20 when he finally decides to hang them up.
Golf bag or a Harley
Quote from: SD_Eagle on February 28, 2009, 10:13:10 AM
Quote from: FastFreddie on February 28, 2009, 10:04:52 AM
I don't care, as long as they retire #20 when he finally decides to hang them up.
Golf bag or a Harley
Adamantium skeleton.
I can't wait to hear him thank God 50 times in his retirement speech.
Quote from: FastFreddie on February 28, 2009, 10:04:52 AM
That said, right now Mikell and Demps are the only two safeties on the roster, and I don't think I'm comfortable with Quinton "ridiculously retarded cheap shot, falling over himself on the deep ball, not wrapping up at the goal line while trying to stop the game winning TD" Demps as a starter just yet.
Quote from: General_Failure on February 28, 2009, 10:15:00 AM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on February 28, 2009, 10:13:10 AM
Quote from: FastFreddie on February 28, 2009, 10:04:52 AM
I don't care, as long as they retire #20 when he finally decides to hang them up.
Golf bag or a Harley
Adamantium skeleton.
Like that cheap jew would drop that coin, maybe some recycled aluminum from the stadium. Go Green.
Weird, I don't remember typing all of that.
I should add that I don't know if I'm comfortable with Dawkins as a starter either.
looks like they'll be starting 2 safeties named quintin. what does that mean?
not a damn thing.
Quote from: hunt on February 28, 2009, 10:22:51 AM
looks like they'll be starting 2 safeties named quintin. what does that mean?
It means the backups need to be named Quintin, too.
It means they're short 3 Quintins.
For anyone still upset about Dawkins leaving, I offer you refuge (http://angrydome.net).
Quote from: General_Failure on February 28, 2009, 10:25:01 AM
Quote from: hunt on February 28, 2009, 10:22:51 AM
looks like they'll be starting 2 safeties named quintin. what does that mean?
It means the backups need to be named Quintin, too.
What if they find one with Quintin as the last name? Automatical Pro Bowlings!
wow you all are some bitches (with the exception of romey)
IGY likes this move and supports the front office implicitly on all decisions.
so the deals not done yet?
Quote from: rjs246 on February 28, 2009, 10:49:00 AM
IGY likes this move and supports the front office implicitly on all decisions.
world is ending. How much money do the Eagles have to spend, 30mm?
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on February 28, 2009, 11:11:51 AM
Quote from: rjs246 on February 28, 2009, 10:49:00 AM
IGY likes this move and supports the front office implicitly on all decisions.
world is ending. How much money do the Eagles have to spend, 30mm?
I believe the Eagles have plus 40 to spend. But Banner already said he can not spend that much even if he wanted to...so he wont even try.
Also Denver can take that horrid division if simply their defense is adequate. They have a explosive offense already with Cutler, Marshall, and Royal and they added two RBs to that mix. It was the defense that was terrible and lost them games. If they re work the D somewhat they can take that division.
Spadaro thinks Dawkins is as good as gone.
40 million bucks, going into a season where the following season is uncapped. IGY was right.
I've read reports that they're as much as $48 mil under the cap.
I didn't get the job as the Salary Cap Administrator, so I can't say for sure.
During the Andrews pc the last question was about Dawk and Andy flipped out and the pc was promptly ended. No lie.
Define flipped out.
he said the PC was for Andrews, not other stuff
Quote from: rjs246 on February 28, 2009, 12:02:38 PM
Define flipped out.
He didn't go Dennis Green or Jim Mora but he got pissy and said "then why are you asking then, you answered your own question, this PC is for Stacey Andrews" then my sound mysteriously went off on my computer and the pc was over.
:-D
NFL Network guy, forget his name, said he spoke to an ex-player with the Eagles who does radio (probably Ike) and said the entire city is flipping out. He said the Eagles are taking a hit from their players and the fans and no one understands this move.
Unreal. I cannot believe they are going to let him go and have treated him like this. $48M UNDER THE CAP and they cannot offer him a deal.
Rather they will sign James Sanders or Jim Leonhard and pawn him off on us.
I farging hate this FO right now.
Dog gone it!
Look at the bright side... at least you won't have to wear your Dawkins jersey when you visit the Alamo next time.
Quote from: Rome on February 28, 2009, 12:24:09 PM
Look at the bright side... at least you won't have to wear your Dawkins jersey when you visit the Alamo next time.
There's always old reliable to fall back on:
(http://www.onlinesports.com/images/reb-r700a-229aut5399.gif)
That jersey needs to fall back on an open flame.
Quote from: Rome on February 28, 2009, 12:24:09 PM
Look at the bright side... at least you won't have to wear your Dawkins jersey when you visit the Alamo next time.
:-D
I hate you.
And I hate Senor Failure too.
Hurry up, you can still grab a Dawkins jersey from PhiladelphiaEagles.com
I already have one.
But now I can get a black authentic one on the cheap, I guess. :-\
The LJ Smith ones should be cheaper, if money is an issue.
I'd rather wear my Jason Dunn jersey
It was so heartbreaking when he went to the Chiefs.
(http://www.sell-sport.com/images/Dawkins20.jpg)
Close thread.
so is this a done deal?
Inquiring minds need to know.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on February 28, 2009, 01:43:40 PM
so is this a done deal?
Inquiring minds need to know.
As of about noon, Clayton was saying it still wasn't a done deal, but that the Broncos are offering more money and more years. That's the latest I've heard from anyone.
Meanwhile Florio is reporting that someone has actually seen the signed contract. (http://blogs.nbcsports.com/home/archives/2009/02/broncos-bag-reid.html)
QuoteDenver signs free agent safety Brian Dawkins to a five-year, $17 million deal that includes $7.2 million guaranteed. The contract also has escalators that could boost the value of the deal to $27 million over five years, but the deal also could be voided to two years, $9 million.
I love Dawk but cmon :-D
Why is any of that funny? Considering where the cap is now and the state of the Broncos defense, a 2-year, $9 million deal for a guy like Dawkins is far from crazy.
where is that from Ed? Nice to provide a link.
Schefter, NFL.com blog
$7.2M guaranteed to a free safety that turns 36 in October?
All former Eagles players must be mocked!
They couldn't part with $4.5 million when they're $40 million under. Unreal.
Dawkins says that all haters will be Dawkplexed into the sun. Somehow.
I can't say I blame the Eagles. Dawk did a hell of a job gutting it out with a very good last half of the year. But how much longer can he do that for? If the Eagles sign him to a multi-year deal they will either have to bench or cut him, which isn't any better than just not matching a very generous offer by Denver.
DenverBroncos.com says it's official.....3:30pm ET press conference
(http://i41.tinypic.com/9a1cue.jpg)
this still sucks
Quote from: BigEd76 on February 28, 2009, 01:59:01 PM
Schefter, NFL.com blog
$7.2M guaranteed to a free safety that turns 36 in October?
why do people act like its their money? Over 40mm left? Gimmie a break, This FO is a farging Joke
Big loss for the team. His skills may have diminished, but he was still a big part of the defense, and a bigger part of the leadership of the team.
It'll be interesting to see where the team goes from here.
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on February 28, 2009, 02:33:35 PM
Quote from: BigEd76 on February 28, 2009, 01:59:01 PM
Schefter, NFL.com blog
$7.2M guaranteed to a free safety that turns 36 in October?
why do people act like its their money? Over 40mm left? Gimmie a break, This FO is a farging Joke
Any money you spend on tickets and official merchandise, along with any time you spend watching games on television, or even watch Eagles-made programming, you are giving them money. That money should be viewed as an investment in the franchise to put forward the best product they can. When that money is not invested back into the product, the return on investment is less than anticipated.
Now, Dawkins may not give them any meaningful bonus in play, but he has really high entertainment value for most people.
Quote from: FastFreddie on February 28, 2009, 01:58:09 PM
Why is any of that funny? Considering where the cap is now and the state of the Broncos defense, a 2-year, $9 million deal for a guy like Dawkins is far from crazy.
easy thinks every contract in the nfl is :-D
7.2 mil for one year is NOTHING these days and dawk is getting it over two years...10 mil would have kept him here and the eagles wouldnt have even felt a rumble in their pocketnbooks
i dont even give a shtein about dawkins the football player...hes losing steps at an alarming rate and wont really be missed...i do think the effect it will have on the locker room is tangible but not catastrophic...and who cares if he ends up playing for denver for a year...should he have remained an eagle absofarginglutely...is it a big deal he is gone...absolutely not...willie mays limped around center field for the mets...once that happened anyone was able to finish a career anywhere...the more important thing here is how bitter did it become btwn banner and dawk...will any animosity prevent dawk from coming back in a couple years and getting his jersey retired
really this is not about brian dawkins in any way...this is all about is joe banner and how he runs this franchise...its much bigger than brian dawkins...banners utter lack of respect and caring for the fanbase or the city has been on display since day one of this regime and this is the cherry on top...this move is a relative of hoagiegate the college roomate of the gold standard comment...dont think its just coincidence that in the same offseason they let an eagle mt rushmore face go for pennies they also gave an accountant a seat high up in the PP dept...and you know where the guy he replaced works?...hes the PP director for the gold standard of the nfl
this move is banner talking to the fans...to angelo cataldi and the morning crew...to the writers who ask andy tough questions at press conferences...to the people who want kelly green jerseys back...and the ones who went into an uproar during hoagiegate...this is joe banner saying to all eagle nation..."farg YOU, NOW WHAT!"
quintons on his way.....
Schefter says the Eagles offered 2/$5M
I'm not happy about losing Dawkins, but be honest....Denver overpaid for his SKILLS. The Eagles are absolutely 1000000% going to miss the intangibles...
Denver maybe over paid but the Eagles could have over paid and not even felt it with the money they have left over.
I dont have a problem with him going and all this talk about leadership and blasphemy. My problem is that no matter how much he had diminished the defense, outside of the Cards, game was damn good and if there was any weak link on the D it was the lack of a pass rush from the line.
How many times were the safeties or corners left one on one with Fitz or Boldin in that game because Eagles had to blitz everyone else? So why create a huge hole where there is not one? Why create a need? Is Demps the guy? Maybe. Hopefully. But we all know that even if he is not they are going to parade him around like a starter simply because is their draft pick and thus golden in their eyes.
You know they are not going to draft a S in the first 2 rounds and you know they are not signing FA Safety...there are none who are better or played better than Dawkins this past season. The move makes no sense. Even if he is diminishing you give him that same 2 yr deal for 10 million and work Demps in more.
I a more upset about creating a need where there really was not one, or one glaring one at least, especially when they no better backup plan other than a untested, unproven, and inexperienced rookie waiting in the wings. Oh well he is already better than Considine ever will be.
Quote from: BigEd76 on February 28, 2009, 03:49:42 PM
Schefter says the Eagles offered 2/$5M
I'm not happy about losing Dawkins, but be honest....Denver overpaid for his SKILLS. The Eagles are absolutely 1000000% going to miss the intangibles...
are you getting inheritance from pat bolan?
who cares how much money they spent on him
eagles had a chance to do right by the fans and they chose to instead spit on them...if it cost 15 mil for one year they should have done it and if he sucks that much as a player then use him on special teams
Here's the spin:
QuoteChairman/CEO Jeffrey Lurie: "Brian Dawkins has been one of the pillars of this franchise for 13 years. He helped lead us to five NFC Championship games and one Super Bowl. Brian embodies everything you look for in a professional athlete and human being. I have been fortunate to witness his impeccable character, his passion for the game of football and his commitment to being the best player he could be. I look forward to continuing a close relationship with him once his playing days are over. His legacy as an Eagle will last forever and will ultimately land him in Canton as a Hall of Famer."
Head coach Andy Reid: "Brian is one of the best players in franchise history and one of the most popular players to ever play in the city of Philadelphia. The Eagles organization, as well as the entire fan base, will miss him not only as a player but as a tremendous person. This is the toughest part of my job, no question. He gave this city 13 years of emotional, energetic football. We wish Brian and his family nothing but the best as he continues his career in Denver."
Quote from: QB Eagles on February 28, 2009, 04:16:31 PM
Here's the spin:
QuoteChairman/CEO Jeffrey Lurie: "His legacy as an Eagle will last forever and will ultimately land him in Canton as a Hall of Famer."
If Dawk starts hitting the roids, plays five to seven more years, and wins a superbowl, he's going into the hall as a Bronco. C'mon now, this is Philly. We're good for one more kick in the balls from this move.
Dawk doesn't nee roids, channels energy through god.
How else would you explain his 2nd half of 2008?
Steroids? Monkey urine? Who cares. Shut up.
Quote from: BigEd76 on February 28, 2009, 01:59:01 PM
Schefter, NFL.com blog
$7.2M guaranteed to a free safety that turns 36 in October?
HOLY shtein! Bolan as nuts as Snyder.
Who in their right mind would spend 3% of the salary cap on one player? Who, I ask you!
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 28, 2009, 04:10:12 PMeagles had a chance to do right by the fans and they chose to instead spit on them
Dawk is probably the most beloved of all the guys that have left in the Lurie/Banner era, but how is this year different from any other? The Eagles aren't going to change their way of thinking when it comes to guys that are 30+. It sucks big time but I'm almost immune to it now...
Anyone who sits here and tries to make justifications for the FO not bringing him back = FAIL.
Obviously Dawkins isn't as good as he used to be, but he's still a useful player if used properly as was proven the second half of last year.
He's 4th all time in the NFL in terms of games played with one team as a defender. Unless his contract demands were absolutely ridiculous, you bring him back. I loathe Banner.
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on February 28, 2009, 04:54:00 PM
Obviously Dawkins isn't as good as he used to be, but he's still a useful player if used properly
Honestly, he's best used right now standing on the sidelines in those stupid warmup suits.
Dawk is great in the box still. He's lost a step in coverage but he was arguably the Eagles best player in December. I don't think he can bring that for 16 games anymore, but he's still a good safety, and Demps has shown nothing that would allow me to think he can be any better than that next year.
Regardless, this isn't even about Dawkins, as IGY said. This is about Banner saying farg you to the fan base. There is no reason they should have let him walk. He brings plenty to the team still and they have boat loads of $ to spend.
yeah but see, if they don't spend that money then they get to keep it, and that's what it's all about at the end of the day
Dawk is going to be on CSN at 6:30 w/ DGunn
You people take the player personnel shtein too personally. Sure, you want them to spend $9 million just to placate a fan base that sells out no matter how hard they're screwed on tickets or anything else. It makes sense that we all would want that. But, to expect it?
I mean, if you were all talking about how great he would be on the field this year and how much the Eagles would miss his skills, it would be different. Instead, you're talking about broken promises and hurt feelings. Come on.
I just realized that everyone, but two players are gone on the CF banner.
Yes, Reggie Brown is gone even though he isn't truly gone yet.
It needs more Brandon Whiting.
Whatever happened to my boy Calvin Armstrong?
edit: CFL
I hate the front office of this team. From the top to the bottom.
Thank you for shteinting all over the fans that pay your farging salaries.
the best way you can thank them if by not renewing your season tickets
yes of course someone else will step right in and take yours but like the phillies, the only thing the eagles care about is the bottom line. the phillies happened to win a world series because all the cards fell in the right place. the eagles have been close but their qb has a sandy vadge. if you want change, perhaps even new ownership, dont give them any money and dont watch them on tv. otherwise theyll do things they way theyve been doing them.
Quote from: MDS on February 28, 2009, 06:18:28 PM
the best way you can thank them if by not renewing your season tickets
yes of course someone else will step right in and take yours but like the phillies, the only thing the eagles care about is the bottom line. the phillies happened to win a world series because all the cards fell in the right place. the eagles have been close but their qb has a sandy vadge. if you want change, perhaps even new ownership, dont give them any money and dont watch them on tv. otherwise theyll do things they way theyve been doing them.
Yes, thank you, I know that. We're thinking about not renewing.
Quote from: MDS on February 28, 2009, 06:18:28 PM
the best way you can thank them if by not renewing your season tickets
yes of course someone else will step right in and take yours but like the phillies, the only thing the eagles care about is the bottom line. the phillies happened to win a world series because all the cards fell in the right place. the eagles have been close but their qb has a sandy vadge. if you want change, perhaps even new ownership, dont give them any money and dont watch them on tv. otherwise theyll do things they way theyve been doing them.
This is, the best thing you've ever, written.
I wonder what McNabb makes of all this? Shot across the bow methinks...
Who gives a shtein what Vadgey McWhinersons thinks?
Dawk got emotional and ended the interview after 2 minutes Sal-style. He said he'd talk to DGunn off the air about what the Eagles really offered and said to him...
Quote from: BigEd76 on February 28, 2009, 07:22:21 PM
He said he'd talk to DGunn off the air about what the Eagles really offered and said to him...
This is the part I really want to hear. I read one source that said they offered 2yr/5 million, which is insulting - why bother if that's true, better to just let him go. There's also been conflicting reports though on whether it was a low ball or decent offer.
Ok, so does anyone actually wish he were still on the team because of the way he's able to play at this phase in his career? Are we going to keep talking about "respect" and "feelings" and the big meanies in the FO?
Seriously.
How the FO is perceived by players, especially one who commands the respect that Dawkins does, can affect their ability to recruit FA's and the morale of the team. IMO this can also affect team chemistry and motivation.
I'm not saying they didn't find a way to somehow end it with Dawk as positively as possible because we don't know yet. But I'm going to guess not.
Quote from: Eagaholic on February 28, 2009, 07:45:26 PM
How the FO is perceived by players, especially one who commands the respect that Dawkins does, can affect their ability to recruit FA's and the morale of the team. IMO this can also affect team chemistry and motivation.
I'm not saying they didn't find a way to somehow end it with Dawk as positively as possible because we don't know yet. But I'm going to guess not.
How do you end it positively if you really don't think the guy can get it done on the field anymore, but he wants to play?
You know what? The defense sucked last year. Horrible from top to bottom. If that was the best they could do with chemistry, then farg 'em all. Cut everybody, replace the whole defensive coaching staff. Bury the playbook in a grave full of salt.
6th most points allowed while allowing the third fewest yards. Jesus farging Christ.
Quote from: FastFreddie on February 28, 2009, 07:39:49 PM
Ok, so does anyone actually wish he were still on the team because of the way he's able to play at this phase in his career? Are we going to keep talking about "respect" and "feelings" and the big meanies in the FO?
Seriously.
Players on this team need to have more than just talent. They need to have a winning and competitive attitude as well. This city appreciates players who show that they have a 'never say die' attitude. I'm not talk in about Priam donas, just interface desire to play the game at it's highest level, and to the player's utmost potential.
This decision by the FO can be demoralizing from a leadership standpoint, and can have repercussion that could jeopardize other player's opinions as to whether to come to this team.
Money is important, but not when it comes at the expense of the team's success.
Seriously!
this is what I mean: http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80e4dfd0
We let Dawkins go, and Hanson makes more than Sheldon?
When one leader dies, another is born.
(http://images.filmmagic.com/images/tnm/12828056.jpg)
Quote from: FastFreddie on February 28, 2009, 08:28:57 PM
Quote from: Eagaholic on February 28, 2009, 07:45:26 PM
How the FO is perceived by players, especially one who commands the respect that Dawkins does, can affect their ability to recruit FA's and the morale of the team. IMO this can also affect team chemistry and motivation.
I'm not saying they didn't find a way to somehow end it with Dawk as positively as possible because we don't know yet. But I'm going to guess not.
How do you end it positively if you really don't think the guy can get it done on the field anymore, but he wants to play?
Well, I don't know if there is any great way to do that, which is why I said as positively as possible, but I do think honesty is the most important thing. I'm sure players like him easily sense BS and if AR does the hiding thing like he did when he benched McNabb, then it really sours everything on Dawkins' part. Reid and Lurie should meet him eye to eye and be sincere, and genuinely convey their respect for him and appreciation for all he has done. It's not perfect but it should go a long way toward softening the bitterness and negativity that otherwise tends to happen.
Holy shtein!! I sure am glad I started coming here!
Quote from: dis12 on February 28, 2009, 08:53:32 PM
Quote from: FastFreddie on February 28, 2009, 07:39:49 PM
Ok, so does anyone actually wish he were still on the team because of the way he's able to play at this phase in his career? Are we going to keep talking about "respect" and "feelings" and the big meanies in the FO?
Seriously.
Players on this team need to have more than just talent. They need to have a winning and competitive attitude as well. This city appreciates players who show that they have a 'never say die' attitude. I'm not talk in about Priam donas, just interface desire to play the game at it's highest level, and to the player's utmost potential.
This decision by the FO can be demoralizing from a leadership standpoint, and can have repercussion that could jeopardize other player's opinions as to whether to come to this team.
Money is important, but not when it comes at the expense of the team's success.
Seriously!
Quote from: BigEd76 on February 28, 2009, 04:52:58 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 28, 2009, 04:10:12 PMeagles had a chance to do right by the fans and they chose to instead spit on them
Dawk is probably the most beloved of all the guys that have left in the Lurie/Banner era, but how is this year different from any other?
you just answered your own question
you really dont see a difference btwn letting jeremiah trotter or troy vincent go and being 40 miliion under ths cap and letting brian dawkins go?
Quote from: FastFreddie on February 28, 2009, 08:28:57 PM
Quote from: Eagaholic on February 28, 2009, 07:45:26 PM
How the FO is perceived by players, especially one who commands the respect that Dawkins does, can affect their ability to recruit FA's and the morale of the team. IMO this can also affect team chemistry and motivation.
I'm not saying they didn't find a way to somehow end it with Dawk as positively as possible because we don't know yet. But I'm going to guess not.
How do you end it positively if you really don't think the guy can get it done on the field anymore, but he wants to play?
this has nothing to do with his on the field play...and you end it positively by signing him for one dollar more (or one dollar less cause he would have taken it) than the broncos offered...then if he sucks you bench him...you really think the eagles front office is that much smarter than the broncos...im sure you do because youre a money grubbing rich people managment first guy who looks only at the bottom dollar...shocking you would side with the FO
Quote from: FastFreddie on February 28, 2009, 07:39:49 PM
Ok, so does anyone actually wish he were still on the team because of the way he's able to play at this phase in his career? Are we going to keep talking about "respect" and "feelings" and the big meanies in the FO?
Seriously.
you're still trying for that cap job, aren't you
Quote from: FastFreddie on February 28, 2009, 07:16:49 PM
Who gives a shtein what Vadgey McWhinersons thinks?
This was actually funny.
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 28, 2009, 10:08:14 PM
Quote from: FastFreddie on February 28, 2009, 08:28:57 PM
Quote from: Eagaholic on February 28, 2009, 07:45:26 PM
How the FO is perceived by players, especially one who commands the respect that Dawkins does, can affect their ability to recruit FA's and the morale of the team. IMO this can also affect team chemistry and motivation.
I'm not saying they didn't find a way to somehow end it with Dawk as positively as possible because we don't know yet. But I'm going to guess not.
How do you end it positively if you really don't think the guy can get it done on the field anymore, but he wants to play?
this has nothing to do with his on the field play...and you end it positively by signing him for one dollar more (or one dollar less cause he would have taken it) than the broncos offered...then if he sucks you bench him...you really think the eagles front office is that much smarter than the broncos...im sure you do because youre a money grubbing rich people managment first guy who looks only at the bottom dollar...shocking you would side with the FO
Apparently the Eagles know all. They know Dawkins fell of so much so that what we the fans saw in the final two months was a mirage and that by Sept 2009 he will have been reduced to being a cheerleader for the Broncos.
On a defense ranked third overall the problem was not Dawkins being a liability in coverage. The problem was the lack of a pass rush which forced them to blitz all the time and left Dawkins on a island one on one with a WR.
I hope Demps is actually good but right now the Eagles plan is simply what it always has been...they calculate and age money to let a player go, while not adequately replacing him with equal or superior talent.
youre missing the point...it doesnt matter if dawkins is the worst safety in the nfl right now (and he obviously isnt)...you resign him...period
No I am not. I agree with what your saying but I am trying to find a logical answer from the purely football/talent pov.
And there is no logical answer.
You don't make the face of your franchise sit on the bench. Maybe they learned that lesson when they tried it with the guy they wanted to be that face.
Dawkins would have started, and continued to get worse. Now he'll do it it Denver (until they bench him), and we won't have to think about it too much.
Quote from: General_Failure on February 28, 2009, 11:25:54 PM
You don't make the face of your franchise sit on the bench.
he wouldnt have sat on the bench...he would have played and been as good as any replacement they are going to have...BUT...you let the face of your franchise sit on the bench in an eagle jersey before you let him play for the friggin denver broncos
On the surface Denver opened up the checkbook.
But you know what? Contract years mean jack shtein. They are window dressing. They absolutely should have paid the man. Say they give him the same deal that can be voided to 2/9M and he's done after this year, then what? They eat the final year and save face in the PR department.
But not Jeff Lurie, Joe Banner and Andy Reid. They want to seem like hard-asses and will not budge on anything. Not even for a guy like Dawkins. There's some guys who you hard-ball and there are others who you placate.
They failed miserably. This has seriously soured my attitude towards the team. I'll still root because they're my farging team, but seeing Brian Dawkins on a podium in Denver talking about how excited he is to play there, to feel wanted and to play for their fans...farg that shtein.
farg Banner and his cronies.
banner is laughing himself to sleep right now. he could give to shteins about anyone of you. the eagles will sellout every game for the next 10 years, they will always be the talk on wip, they will have local media contract, loads of endorsements and national tv games.
he doesnt give a shtein about brian dawkins or what you think of him. and until we as eagles fans do some 1960s black on white sit ins aint nothin gonna change.
'we' arent going to do anything since you dont have tickets
That is the saddest thing.
We all know those bitches have ice in their veins. They don't give a shtein. But the one time they could have handled something the right way and they turned their heads the other way like the guy was some double amputee wanting a contract.
He can still play. But even if he shat the bed, you still sign him and let him finish up.
farging Joe Banner.
I wonder if Howie Roseman's diligence in the film room is what told them to not re-sign him?
im part of the solution of not giving the eagles any of my money.
you need to stop giving them your money. then they will change their ways. you wont do that. so they win and theyll always win.
Haha. Jew. Solution.
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 28, 2009, 10:07:14 PM
you really dont see a difference btwn letting jeremiah trotter go and being 40 miliion under ths cap and letting brian dawkins go?
When they let Trotter go, he could still play. He had led the team in tackles and was a major force.
(http://media.philly.com/images/0301_dawkins_press_600.jpg)
That jersey looks uglier than a botched abortion.
They are some ugly ass uni's.
Really though, the Broncos are a few good defensive players away from going too the Superbowl. Dawk, if he can dig deep and inspire their D, could be a big factor in getting them over the hump. I wish him well.
Quote from: MDS on March 01, 2009, 01:46:32 AM
banner is laughing himself to sleep right now. he could give to shteins about anyone of you. the eagles will sellout every game for the next 10 years, they will always be the talk on wip, they will have local media contract, loads of endorsements and national tv games.
he doesnt give a shtein about brian dawkins or what you think of him. and until we as eagles fans do some 1960s black on white sit ins aint nothin gonna change.
Watched the sixers game at my buddies house lastnight, channel 6 news was coming on and I said despite everything going on in Philly, like we're supposed to get a shteinload of snow, dead cops, economy is horrible, flower show, whatever, I guarantee they open with a story then say "But the big news tonight, Brian Dawkins is no longer an Eagle" sure enough....
Quote from: shorebird on March 01, 2009, 08:40:43 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 28, 2009, 10:07:14 PM
you really dont see a difference btwn letting jeremiah trotter go and being 40 miliion under ths cap and letting brian dawkins go?
When they let Trotter go, he could still play. He had led the team in tackles and was a major force.
And so can Dawkins. To let some of you around here tell it, he was out there with a walker or some shtein. He was still this team's fiercest hitter... one of, if not the best run supporting DB's on the team and was really a liablity coverage wise when asked to cover a WR one on one. That's on coaching not to put him in those spots.
I know it's become "the truth" that he was just terrible on the field most of the year, but that shtein ain't the case.
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 28, 2009, 11:37:45 PM
Quote from: General_Failure on February 28, 2009, 11:25:54 PM
You don't make the face of your franchise sit on the bench.
he wouldnt have sat on the bench...he would have played and been as good as any replacement they are going to have...BUT...you let the face of your franchise sit on the bench in an eagle jersey before you let him play for the friggin denver broncos
^^^The motherfarging truth right there^^^
Quote from: EagleFeva on March 01, 2009, 10:32:38 AM
Quote from: shorebird on March 01, 2009, 08:40:43 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 28, 2009, 10:07:14 PM
you really dont see a difference btwn letting jeremiah trotter go and being 40 miliion under ths cap and letting brian dawkins go?
When they let Trotter go, he could still play. He had led the team in tackles and was a major force.
And so can Dawkins. To let some of you around here tell it, he was out there with a walker or some shtein. He was still this team's fiercest hitter... one of, if not the best run supporting DB's on the team and was really a liablity coverage wise when asked to cover a WR one on one. That's on coaching not to put him in those spots.
I know it's become "the truth" that he was just terrible on the field most of the year, but that shtein ain't the case.
I disagree. He was at the point were he didn't even try to wrap up when he tackled and was missing half the time. To use your own words, he was terrible on the field most of the year. He made maybe three or four plays all year that I remember. You can blame the play calling all you want, the fact is he is a shell of his former self, and anyone who thinks he should have been overpaid just so you could see him in an Eagles uniform next year needs to stop friggen' whining.
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 28, 2009, 11:11:32 PM
youre missing the point...it doesnt matter if dawkins is the worst safety in the nfl right now (and he obviously isnt)...you resign him...period
This is the first time I actually think we're better off with Howie Roseman as GM than IGY. Phew.
You people are a bunch of soap opera watching, bitch-ass bitches. Seriously.
Quote from: EagleFeva on March 01, 2009, 10:32:38 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 28, 2009, 11:37:45 PM
Quote from: General_Failure on February 28, 2009, 11:25:54 PM
You don't make the face of your franchise sit on the bench.
he wouldnt have sat on the bench...he would have played and been as good as any replacement they are going to have...BUT...you let the face of your franchise sit on the bench in an eagle jersey before you let him play for the friggin denver broncos
^^^The motherfarging truth right there^^^
Look at all the shtein the team got for putting Lito on the bench, and nobody likes Lito. This was a no-win unless Dawkins got to
1. Retire as an Eagle
2. Start the entire season
Putting him on the bench would be
1. A slap in the face to
a. Dawkins
b. The fans
c. Everyone else on the team
2. An attempt to motivate the other players, which is what Dawkins was supposed to do
3. One more sign that Dawkins should have retired already
Yeah, fine, Dawkins was the emotional leader of the defense. And like I already said, if last season was the best performance he could get out of them, they should all be ashamed. Replace them all.
Quote from: shorebird on March 01, 2009, 10:45:18 AM
Quote from: EagleFeva on March 01, 2009, 10:32:38 AM
Quote from: shorebird on March 01, 2009, 08:40:43 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 28, 2009, 10:07:14 PM
you really dont see a difference btwn letting jeremiah trotter go and being 40 miliion under ths cap and letting brian dawkins go?
When they let Trotter go, he could still play. He had led the team in tackles and was a major force.
And so can Dawkins. To let some of you around here tell it, he was out there with a walker or some shtein. He was still this team's fiercest hitter... one of, if not the best run supporting DB's on the team and was really a liablity coverage wise when asked to cover a WR one on one. That's on coaching not to put him in those spots.
I know it's become "the truth" that he was just terrible on the field most of the year, but that shtein ain't the case.
I disagree. He was at the point were he didn't even try to wrap up when he tackled and was missing half the time. To use your own words, he was terrible on the field most of the year. He made maybe three or four plays all year that I remember. You can blame the play calling all you want, the fact is he is a shell of his former self, and anyone who thinks he should have been overpaid just so you could see him in an Eagles uniform next year needs to stop friggen' whining.
Clueless.
I am posting this link (http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=17491) just to make the whiny bitches bitch some more, as the Eagles are already working the positive Demps spin harder than Feva works the vagine.
QuoteDemps Learned A Lot From Dawkins
Quintin Demps was caught off-guard like a lot of Eagles fans. He surely didn't envision his teammate from last season, Brian Dawkins, to be in a different uniform in 2009.
"I didn't believe it at first. I was like, 'Wow.' I just thought for sure that he would end his career as an Eagle ... I was stunned by it," Demps said from his home in San Antonio on Saturday after learning that Dawkins signed a five-year deal with Denver.
Demps was a fourth-round draft pick out of Texas-El Paso in 2008. He finished his college career with 17 interceptions which ranked second in school and conference history. As a rookie, Demps made his biggest contribution as an explosive kickoff returner averaging 25.3 yards per return. He had two returns of 60 yards-or-more including a 100-yard gain that was the longest by a rookie in franchise history. It was the first kickoff return for a touchdown by any Eagle since 2001.
As the season progressed, Demps became more and more involved in the defense. By the end of the season, Demps was utilized as part of a three-safety package that helped the Eagles defend the run better. Demps' range and ability to cover allowed him to line up opposite a receiver in these sets. He had nine tackles and a sack in the regular season, but 11 tackles in the three playoff games which included a start against the Vikings.
"I just played with a chip on my shoulder," Demps said. "I feel like I should have went higher in the draft. And until I leave the league, I'm going to play with that chip on my shoulder every year. It was great. I got my feet wet. The game started to slow down for me. It was a great opportunity."
But Demps' season didn't end the way he or Eagles fans wanted it to. In the NFC Championship game loss to Arizona, Demps was responsible for covering Larry Fitzgerald on a 62-yard touchdown pass. Demps also committed a personal foul when he leveled quarterback Kurt Warner way after he threw the ball. That penalty eventually resulted in an end-of-the-half field goal.
"I was hurt. I really was hurt," Demps said. "I feel like we could have played better. I feel like I should have played better. I'm just disappointed about it."
After one season, Demps could be called upon to be a starter in 2009. Currently, Demps and Quintin Mikell are the only safeties on the Eagles roster. And if Demps is presented with the opportunity to win a starting job, he wants to make the most of it.
"We knew (Dawkins leaving) was going to happen eventually," Demps said. "I'm going to take the opportunity and run with it."
That's why Demps will return to Philadelphia later this week to begin preparing for the 2009 season. He's already started to work out. Demps wants to take everything he learned from Dawkins and put it to good use.
"I learned that you don't have to lead by rah rah. You can lead by example," Demps said. "You got to have passion to play this game, but this is a business at the same time. You have to have love for the game. I was only here for one year and I saw how much of a leader he was. It's going to be crazy."
Quote from: SD_Eagle on March 01, 2009, 10:02:48 AM
Watched the sixers game at my buddies house lastnight, channel 6 news was coming on and I said despite everything going on in Philly, like we're supposed to get a shteinload of snow, dead cops, economy is horrible, flower show, whatever, I guarantee they open with a story then say "But the big news tonight, Brian Dawkins is no longer an Eagle" sure enough....
THE HORROR!
Quote from: shorebird on March 01, 2009, 10:45:18 AM
Quote from: EagleFeva on March 01, 2009, 10:32:38 AM
Quote from: shorebird on March 01, 2009, 08:40:43 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 28, 2009, 10:07:14 PM
you really dont see a difference btwn letting jeremiah trotter go and being 40 miliion under ths cap and letting brian dawkins go?
When they let Trotter go, he could still play. He had led the team in tackles and was a major force.
And so can Dawkins. To let some of you around here tell it, he was out there with a walker or some shtein. He was still this team's fiercest hitter... one of, if not the best run supporting DB's on the team and was really a liablity coverage wise when asked to cover a WR one on one. That's on coaching not to put him in those spots.
I know it's become "the truth" that he was just terrible on the field most of the year, but that shtein ain't the case.
I disagree. He was at the point were he didn't even try to wrap up when he tackled and was missing half the time. To use your own words, he was terrible on the field most of the year. He made maybe three or four plays all year that I remember. You can blame the play calling all you want, the fact is he is a shell of his former self, and anyone who thinks he should have been overpaid just so you could see him in an Eagles uniform next year needs to stop friggen' whining.
i dont really care that dawkins the player is gone as he clearly is on the way down and im excited to see demps if that the direction they go in...but denver seems to have no problem paying him to play for a year or two more and letting him tutor their young guys on how to play the game...and as much as dawk has slipped can you even come close to saying his replacement will be better than him next year...of course you cant...even the biggest FO homers like FF cant put a positive spin on this one
and ill ask you the same thing i ask easy...why do you care so much about jeffrey luries money...how does it effect you in the slightest if dawk is paid 7 8 9 10 mil over the next two years
What makes this deal shteintier is the $7.5 million in guaranteed money can be spread out through the 5 years of the life of the contract so his cap hit would be like $3 million the next two seasons.
yep...the money is 100% irrelevant in this whole scenario...he got paid peanuts...and again the eagles ccant come close to hitting their cap celing if their life depended on it they have so much money...and all signs point to there being no cap next year...all nfl cash these days is monopoly money
Did Lurie lose his ass in the stockmarket and he cant spend? I dont understand why they would have this much available cap room
It doens't affect me directly, but if the money is better spent elsewere how can anyone argue? As I said before, everyone who thinks this front office should overpay him, and thats what Denver is doing even by igy's standards, needs to stop bitching because it ain't going to happen with Darth, or any other player. And really, all Demps has to do is wrap up while tackling to preform better than Darth did last year, and anyone who thinks he's not finished are just infactuated with the legend.
Besides, no one knows for sure what is going to happen from here on out. This move could be justified later.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 01, 2009, 12:04:00 PM
yep...the money is 100% irrelevant in this whole scenario...he got paid peanuts
If he was paid peanuts then why did you post before that he is being overpaid?
i'm over it. now sign a vet safety for depth & it's all good.
Quote from: shorebird on March 01, 2009, 12:06:11 PM
It doens't affect me directly, but if the money is better spent elsewere how can anyone argue? As I said before, everyone who thinks this front office should overpay him, and thats what Denver is doing even by igy's standards, needs to stop bitching because it ain't going to happen with Darth, or any other player. And really, all Demps has to do is wrap up while tackling to preform better than Darth did last year, and anyone who thinks he's not finished are just infactuated with the legend.
Besides, no one knows for sure what is going to happen from here on out. This move could be justified later.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 01, 2009, 12:04:00 PM
yep...the money is 100% irrelevant in this whole scenario...he got paid peanuts
never said he was overpaid...i think youre referring to a poast i made giving easy a hard time and was obviously made in jest...its impossible to overpay a player when you have more money than you could possibly ever spend...when and if the salary cap ever becomes real in the nfl then ill complain about "overpaying" players but with the cap being raised to ridiculously high levels and a probable uncapped year next year we are farther away from that than ever
and even with all that said 3.5+ mil a year for two years for dawk cannot be considered overpaying....even on the money grubbing FF pay scale
If he was paid peanuts then why did you post before that he is being overpaid?
So your saying that even though the team has nearly 50 million under the cap and we all know for sure they are not going to go after any FA who would command a huge salary, the money could be better spent? On what exactly?
I'll say it again...for all the flack JJ and Snyder receive, and rightfully so, they at least spend their money. Yeah they have no idea on who and they could really use personnel ppl who have control over who to sign, but these owners are never shy about spending money and never are in cap trouble. Yet the team with nearly 50 million could not spare a few in case something better came along and they needed to spend there.
For all the crap we hear about the cap and how much the Eagles are in great shape they have won nothing and while the Cowboys and taterskins keep failing and spending they are not in sort of imaginary cap hell from which they can not dig out from.
Bob Ford (http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/20090301_Bob_Ford__Departure_of_Eagles_great_is_business_-_on_both_sides.html)
He tells the truth. Burn him?
Bob Ford (http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/20090301_Bob_Ford__Departure_of_Eagles_great_is_business_-_on_both_sides.html) says it best.
QuoteBrian Dawkins won't be ending his career as a member of the Philadelphia Eagles because that is the decision he made. If you want to castigate the Eagles for making a business decision, that's fine, but remember that Dawkins made one, too.
It will be a popular argument that the Eagles forced Dawkins out of town with a low-ball offer, one that was insulting for a seven-time Pro Bowl player. More accurately, Denver gave Dawkins a contract offer that, if he plays only one season, will make him among the highest-paid safeties in the NFL for that season.
yup he pretty much summed it up perfectly....
QuoteWhat actually happened is that the Eagles gave the 35-year-old free-agent safety a rough idea of the contract they would offer. He went out and solicited a better offer - a much better offer - and he took it.
Quote from: Magical_Retard on March 01, 2009, 01:42:28 PM
So your saying that even though the team has nearly 50 million under the cap and we all know for sure they are not going to go after any FA who would command a huge salary, the money could be better spent? On what exactly?
QuoteThey did part with a chunk of it to land offensive lineman Stacy Andrews, brother of right guard Shawn Andrews, and it's still a long way to the first week in September. That long road could include any combination of additional free-agent signings, trades, surprise draft picks, whatever the front office feels it might take to restore a roster that was inconsistent for much of last season. Getting it right this time would be nice.
Look, I've watched Darth his whole career and don't like the idea of him not being an Eagle anymore than anyone else here. But the reality is that the FO doesn't think he's worth what the Bronco's offered him. Christ, quit bitchin' and whining and wish him well. He'll always be an Eagle in my mind anyway.
Quote from: shorebird on March 01, 2009, 02:00:59 PM
Look, I've watched Darth his whole career and don't like the idea of him not being an Eagle anymore than anyone else here. But the reality is that the FO doesn't think he's worth what the Bronco's offered him. Christ, quit bitchin' and whining and wish him well. He'll always be an Eagle in my mind anyway.
again you just dont get it...no one is worried that hes somehow not going to be an eagle anymore...that ludicrous and i dont even know why you say that to be honest...for the last time this isnt about dawkins and this isnt about football its about the front office and their utter lack of respect for the franchise and the fans...theres been a war btwn joe banner and the fanbase for years and this is the biggest and most uneccessary salvo yet
Who farging cares you flags.
WAH joe banner doesnt care what i think. Go farg yourself.
It doesn't hurt the team. you know it, so you cant call them idiots,so your just crying about and stomping your feet. The fact that mommy and daddy don't care about your temper tantrum is just making you bash your head against the wall for attention.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 01, 2009, 02:07:48 PM
Quote from: shorebird on March 01, 2009, 02:00:59 PM
Look, I've watched Darth his whole career and don't like the idea of him not being an Eagle anymore than anyone else here. But the reality is that the FO doesn't think he's worth what the Bronco's offered him. Christ, quit bitchin' and whining and wish him well. He'll always be an Eagle in my mind anyway.
again you just dont get it...no one is worried that hes somehow not going to be an eagle anymore...that ludicrous and i dont even know why you say that to be honest...for the last time this isnt about dawkins and this isnt about football its about the front office and their utter lack of respect for the franchise and the fans...theres been a war btwn joe banner and the fanbase for years and this is the biggest and most uneccessary salvo yet
I get that it's all about you hating the front office. They made a business decision, and if you look at it unbiased, it was the right one. Also, you're living in your own little world if you think that Banner is at war with the fans and the only reason he didn't sign Darth was because of a lack of respect for the fans and the franchise. He doesn't care what you or I think, for sure, but a lack of respect is ridiculous. The same thing happens all over the NFL, team stars finishing their careers elsewhere. Christ, even Joe Montana and Johnny Unitas finished their careers elsewere.
Please, get over yourself.
Quote from: shorebird on March 01, 2009, 02:00:59 PM
Quote from: Magical_Retard on March 01, 2009, 01:42:28 PM
So your saying that even though the team has nearly 50 million under the cap and we all know for sure they are not going to go after any FA who would command a huge salary, the money could be better spent? On what exactly?
QuoteThey did part with a chunk of it to land offensive lineman Stacy Andrews, brother of right guard Shawn Andrews, and it's still a long way to the first week in September. That long road could include any combination of additional free-agent signings, trades, surprise draft picks, whatever the front office feels it might take to restore a roster that was inconsistent for much of last season. Getting it right this time would be nice.
Look, I've watched Darth his whole career and don't like the idea of him not being an Eagle anymore than anyone else here. But the reality is that the FO doesn't think he's worth what the Bronco's offered him. Christ, quit bitchin' and whining and wish him well. He'll always be an Eagle in my mind anyway.
I am used to players I have grown to really like being cut or leaving (Duce for one) so I am not one of those fans who is going to claim to stop watching games or being a fan. I am just saying this was more about money and age than about performance. Dawkins has not slipped to the point where he was the reason the defense was not the best. The real deficiency on defense is the lack of a pass rush outside of a blitz. In fact most of the time Dawkins was "exposed" was when everyone went in on a blitz and Dawkins is left one on one to cover a guy like Burress or Fitz. You think Demps or whoever else they draft would be any better in that situation?
Hopefully the FO is right and Dawkins has so deteriorated in a matter of a month that he will be benched by week 2. I just don't buy it. He was one of the best players on a very good defense in the final 2 months and now the FO will have you believe he sucks and is not worth keeping. Why even offer him a contract then? What if he took it? You still start him no?
Letting Dawk go was the wrong move on many levels.
They have the money and the man can still play!
Demps>Dawk in 09.
BOOK IT
He can't play at his previous level. Giving Dawk a 5 year deal was just silly. The way he plays, he's going to be on the field at 40? Horseshtein.
And making this an us v. them argument is even sillier. He wanted a big contract for his twilight, the Eagles fairly and rightfully thought they could do better. This is really a story? Who farging cares?
http://www.philly.com/philly/hp/news_update/Final_Thoughts_on_Dawk.html
Quote
Dawk: Thanks to Fans
The lengthy pauses had nothing to do with the cell phone service. Brian Dawkins was in tears Sunday, when he responded to a request from the Daily News to talk to the fans of Philadelphia.
"I've just got to thank them. For so many years, we obviously connected on a very deep basis," Dawkins said the day after he left his only NFL home for 13 seasons to sign with the Denver Broncos. "For so many years, they've allowed me to come into their living rooms, to laugh with them, to party with them, to celebrate with them, to cry with 'em through tough losses, to bleed with them. I just really appreciate the way they accepted me, a little safety from Clemson."
Asked about the fact that the Broncos are scheduled to visit the Eagles this season, at a yet-to-be-determined date, Dawkins was overcome with emotion. "Whew," he said. "It's tough. This is not just business for me. I never thought that this would happen this way. I thought the only time I would shed tears in an interview would be because of my retirement from the Eagles, not like this."
Dawkins would not address what the Birds offered to keep him here. Dawkins, 35, reportedly will make more than $9 million guaranteed in the first two years of the reported five-year, $17 million deal he signed in Denver.
"I want to do this the right way," he said.
The day after, it would not be stretching to say Dawk sounded like he had regrets -- buyer's remorse, at the very least.
"In a couple of weeks or a month, I'll be excited about this team," Dawkins said. "I've got to get used to saying that -- I'm a Bronco." Then he paused. "I'll tell you one thing -- I'll always be an Eagle."
Then he paused again, and excused himself.
I won't miss his farging blubbering, that's for sure.
Jesus...
Would have liked to have seen some of that blubbering while he was hoisting the Lombardi trophy.
Quote from: MadMarchHare on March 01, 2009, 03:43:51 PM
He can't play at his previous level. Giving Dawk a 5 year deal was just silly. The way he plays, he's going to be on the field at 40? Horseshtein.
And making this an us v. them argument is even sillier. He wanted a big contract for his twilight, the Eagles fairly and rightfully thought they could do better. This is really a story? Who farging cares?
You do realize its a 2 yr deal basically? 2 yrs 9 million is a big contract?
Quote from: Magical_Retard on March 01, 2009, 06:23:46 PM
Quote from: MadMarchHare on March 01, 2009, 03:43:51 PM
He can't play at his previous level. Giving Dawk a 5 year deal was just silly. The way he plays, he's going to be on the field at 40? Horseshtein.
And making this an us v. them argument is even sillier. He wanted a big contract for his twilight, the Eagles fairly and rightfully thought they could do better. This is really a story? Who farging cares?
You do realize its a 2 yr deal basically? 2 yrs 9 million is a big contract?
he has no clue...a lot of people have no clue what any of this is all about...banners swirly lolipop is a powerful thing
I love Dawk as much as the next guy, but this room is full of a lot of whining bitches, led by the Queen Bitch, IGY.
IGY loves to point at the FO and tell us how much they hate us and want nothing more than to alienate and infuriate us. The fact is this is a decision that was made by both sides. Dawk wanted money, and someone else gave it. IGY's trash and slop that the FO should pay anything necessary to keep Dawk is worthless noise. No wonder you're a socialist - you suck at capitalism.
Here, I'll help you out and save you the key strokes:
I don't get it. I'm a money grubbing Republican who doesn't mind shteinting on the little people. And how could I even give a rat's ass because I live in St. Louis - farging Middle American piece of shtein country-bred white boy.
wow that was scarily on point....couldnt have said it better myself...MA eagle fans that arent four for four guys should not be speaking on the effect things like this have
Quote
"It hurts," Dawkins said when asked about his decision to leave the only NFL city he had called home before Saturday. "It still does hurt. That's a place that I very much felt a part of. I felt like a Philadelphian, so this is very hurtful. But I'm trying to move forward with the Broncos."
to bad patriot fans lurie and banner dont give a shtein if youre a philadelphian dawk
Quote from: Father Demon on March 01, 2009, 06:45:21 PM
I love Dawk as much as the next guy, but this room is full of a lot of whining bitches, led by the Queen Bitch, IGY.
IGY loves to point at the FO and tell us how much they hate us and want nothing more than to alienate and infuriate us. The fact is this is a decision that was made by both sides. Dawk wanted money, and someone else gave it. IGY's trash and slop that the FO should pay anything necessary to keep Dawk is worthless noise. No wonder you're a socialist - you suck at capitalism.
Here, I'll help you out and save you the key strokes:
I don't get it. I'm a money grubbing Republican who doesn't mind shteinting on the little people. And how could I even give a rat's ass because I live in St. Louis - farging Middle American piece of shtein country-bred white boy.
You did not expect ppl to have a problem with the team letting Dawkins go for what amounts to be very little money? Forget money you did not expect ppl to have a problem/reaction to Dawkins leaving? One of the most beloved athletes in Philly sports history? Especially when he just made the pro-bowl and in the final stretch played lights out leading a defense which was ranked #3 overall?
This what probably happened: The Eagles offered him a contract they knew he would refuse. If he expected then it would have been gravy but they purposely offered him something so low that they knew he would not take it and it would be win/win. He takes it and they have him back and if not hey hes too old anyway and probably will die on the field next season. They also probably told him that if he can get something more on the market to take it because they will not offer anymore.
Same will probably happen to Tra Thomas, a player who I think they need even more than Dawkins to come back.
damn Magical, its not even that your answers are wrong or off the wall or anything, but does every response you throw out have to be 4 paragraphs long?
we need to get you on the quick precise tip kid
Quote from: Father Demon on March 01, 2009, 06:45:21 PM
I love Dawk as much as the next guy, but this room is full of a lot of whining bitches, led by the Queen Bitch, IGY.
IGY loves to point at the FO and tell us how much they hate us and want nothing more than to alienate and infuriate us. The fact is this is a decision that was made by both sides. Dawk wanted money, and someone else gave it. IGY's trash and slop that the FO should pay anything necessary to keep Dawk is worthless noise. No wonder you're a socialist - you suck at capitalism.
Here, I'll help you out and save you the key strokes:
I don't get it. I'm a money grubbing Republican who doesn't mind shteinting on the little people. And how could I even give a rat's ass because I live in St. Louis - farging Middle American piece of shtein country-bred white boy.
I stood up and gave this the slow clap.
IGY can suck it. He's a farging idiot about this just like he is about no less than half of his opinions.
awwwww did someone insult your hero joey banner...seriously i cant think of anyone outside of maybe rush limbaugh whod youd admire more than him...is there?
Quote from: FastFreddie on March 01, 2009, 07:31:12 PM
Quote from: Father Demon on March 01, 2009, 06:45:21 PM
I love Dawk as much as the next guy, but this room is full of a lot of whining bitches, led by the Queen Bitch, IGY.
IGY loves to point at the FO and tell us how much they hate us and want nothing more than to alienate and infuriate us. The fact is this is a decision that was made by both sides. Dawk wanted money, and someone else gave it. IGY's trash and slop that the FO should pay anything necessary to keep Dawk is worthless noise. No wonder you're a socialist - you suck at capitalism.
Here, I'll help you out and save you the key strokes:
I don't get it. I'm a money grubbing Republican who doesn't mind shteinting on the little people. And how could I even give a rat's ass because I live in St. Louis - farging Middle American piece of shtein country-bred white boy.
I stood up and gave this the slow clap.
IGY can suck it. He's a farging idiot about this just like he is about no less than half of his opinions.
its obvious you didnt take your Lithium today because this might of been your first response in literally 9 months that was against IGY-- and you didnt even title a link with his name in it
Im shocked
Quote from: reese125 on March 01, 2009, 07:40:07 PM
Quote from: FastFreddie on March 01, 2009, 07:31:12 PM
Quote from: Father Demon on March 01, 2009, 06:45:21 PM
I love Dawk as much as the next guy, but this room is full of a lot of whining bitches, led by the Queen Bitch, IGY.
IGY loves to point at the FO and tell us how much they hate us and want nothing more than to alienate and infuriate us. The fact is this is a decision that was made by both sides. Dawk wanted money, and someone else gave it. IGY's trash and slop that the FO should pay anything necessary to keep Dawk is worthless noise. No wonder you're a socialist - you suck at capitalism.
Here, I'll help you out and save you the key strokes:
I don't get it. I'm a money grubbing Republican who doesn't mind shteinting on the little people. And how could I even give a rat's ass because I live in St. Louis - farging Middle American piece of shtein country-bred white boy.
I stood up and gave this the slow clap.
IGY can suck it. He's a farging idiot about this just like he is about no less than half of his opinions.
its obvious you didnt take your Lithium today because this might of been your first response in literally 9 months that was against IGY-- and you didnt even title a link with his name in it
Im shocked
when he hears people criticize joey he gets all out of sorts...he shouldnt be held responsible for anything he types tonight...FF will be back tomorrow
IGY is right because the Eagles should have paid anything and everything to keep Dawkins here until he retires or dies, period.
Demon is right because IGY is a complete idiot and hyperbolic mess of wrong opinions.
Yay.
Wait, so in reese's estimation, I agree with IGY a lot?
I think it just proves that the times reese disagrees with IGY are the times IGY is usually correct.
P.S. I am very annoyed at the FO for allowing the free agency period to mostly pass them by again. I couldn't care less about losing Dawkins as it relates to on-field performance, but it seems that they are content to add one lineman and call it an off-season. Assfaces.
43million under the cap
Salary cap champs.
thats what really pisses me off, how the farg are you bettering the team with 43mill sitting? Jeffy having trouble with his investments
and probably no cap next year which makes what they are doing even more incredible
But again, this is more of a general issue and those of you whining about Dawkins specifically should still probably commit mass suicide.
only after you chief
Sorry, I am not your leader. Although, I'd be glad to drink the non-poisoned Kool Aid to trick you losers into doing the right thing for this world.
there is no dawkins issue...theres a banner issue...dawkins is no more infuriating a move than the howie roseman aqppt....shtein in my eyes it less agregious...but again it has nothing to do with dawkins which is what most people dont get
Ive read enough of these Dawkins responses to make my eyes bleed but I will say this:
players that exemplify leadership, heart and dedication above and beyond expectations of fans and most importantly management for that long of a tenure-- need to be rewarded no matter the circumstance (especially with what they have financially)
thats just respect in life and business--period
lol, there are still people defending the FO for letting a lifetime Eagle and locker room influence leave for 9 million dollars when they have 43 under the cap to spend...farging morons.
Quote from: SunMo on March 01, 2009, 08:14:27 PM
lol, there are still people defending the FO for letting a lifetime Eagle and locker room influence leave for 9 million dollars when they have 43 under the cap to spend...farging morons.
Again, do you actually think it will hurt the team on the field, or are you all about the floofy "heart" and "influence" garbage? Christ, you can get a mascot a lot cheaper than $9 million.
I would love to see the Eagles spend all that cap money on guys that are difference-makers on the field in a good way. Dawkins was making as many big mistakes as he was big plays.
Quote from: SunMo on March 01, 2009, 08:14:27 PM
lol, there are still people defending the FO for letting a lifetime Eagle and locker room influence leave for 9 million dollars when they have 43 under the cap to spend...farging morons.
its unfathomable isnt it
Quote from: FastFreddie on March 01, 2009, 08:21:20 PM
Quote from: SunMo on March 01, 2009, 08:14:27 PM
lol, there are still people defending the FO for letting a lifetime Eagle and locker room influence leave for 9 million dollars when they have 43 under the cap to spend...farging morons.
Again, do you actually think it will hurt the team on the field, or are you all about the floofy "heart" and "influence" garbage? Christ, you can get a mascot a lot cheaper than $9 million.
I would love to see the Eagles spend all that cap money on guys that are difference-makers on the field in a good way. Dawkins was making as many big mistakes as he was big plays.
not that the money means anything...it would not affect the team in the least has they spent the 9 mil on dawk...but his locker room presence his tutoring of a second year safety alone was worth that much when youre 43 mil under...and i was critical as anyone with dawkins play early in the year last season but do you actually think there isnt a good chance that demps is worse than dawkins next year...and i mean just on the field...forget all the intangibles you lose with him...
combine the fact that there is no known replacement for him the pr hit the fact that hes an eagle legend and his leadership and theres no possible way you can defend letting him go...unless youre completely in the bag for the FO
I would love to see these big mistakes Dawkins was making.
I dont really remember anyone here pointing them out during the season. The only I remember of the top of my head are when he was left one on one with TO in the first Cowboys game, one on one with Burress in the first Giants game, and against the Seahawks when Robinson whizzed by Lito and then make a great move on Dawkins.
But yes Dawkins was holding the D back.
Quote from: SunMo on March 01, 2009, 08:14:27 PM
lol, there are still people defending the FO for letting a lifetime Eagle and locker room influence leave for 9 million dollars when they have 43 under the cap to spend...farging morons.
incomprehensible.
I like to look at it this way. Dawkins, Runyan, Tra, and McNabb are all over 30 now. Westbrook barely showed any signs of life last year. They're rebuilding.
Okay, but now you're going to say they really needed to keep Dawkins around. No. Somebody who can make a farging play and has a future needs to step up and put the big boy pants on.
With this in mind, we can look forward to Tra coming back if he's cheap, and McNabb gone by the end of next year. I will go so far as to suggest they'll look to trade Westbrook.
Quote from: Magical_Retard on March 01, 2009, 08:33:20 PM
I would love to see these big mistakes Dawkins was making.
I dont really remember anyone here pointing them out during the season. The only I remember of the top of my head are when he was left one on one with TO in the first Cowboys game, one on one with Burress in the first Giants game, and against the Seahawks when Robinson whizzed by Lito and then make a great move on Dawkins.
But yes Dawkins was holding the D back.
he had a couple really bad games and he isnt close to what he used to be...but he still had a good year overall...christ if youre gonna get rid of everyone who has a bad game the team wouldnt have any linebackers and mcnabb would have been gone long ago...if he wanted 20 million guaranteed and there really was a salary cap in the nfl and the eagles were against said cap then i could see letting him go...but as it stood there wasnt a single solitary reason for him not to be on this team
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 01, 2009, 08:38:21 PM
christ if youre gonna get rid of everyone who has a bad game the team wouldnt have any linebackers and mcnabb would have been gone long ago.
This team has linebackers?
lemme check the roster on pe.com
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 01, 2009, 08:38:21 PM
Quote from: Magical_Retard on March 01, 2009, 08:33:20 PM
I would love to see these big mistakes Dawkins was making.
I dont really remember anyone here pointing them out during the season. The only I remember of the top of my head are when he was left one on one with TO in the first Cowboys game, one on one with Burress in the first Giants game, and against the Seahawks when Robinson whizzed by Lito and then make a great move on Dawkins.
But yes Dawkins was holding the D back.
he had a couple really bad games and he isnt close to what he used to be...but he still had a good year overall...christ if youre gonna get rid of everyone who has a bad game the team wouldnt have any linebackers and mcnabb would have been gone long ago...if he wanted 20 million guaranteed and there really was a salary cap in the nfl and the eagles were against said cap then i could see letting him go...but as it stood there wasnt a single solitary reason for him not to be on this team
You know I have always said that if the player is not performing I have no issue with letting them go BUT only if they are replacing them with equal or superior talent.
I am not so sure Dawkins had terrible games or a bad year, as it is ppl just say that but never point out examples. But even then ok so he had some bad games. Ok so they should replace him. Cool. But not with a rookie who did not even see the field much last season. This team already has too many zesty draft picks starting simply because they were selected by the Eagles FO.
If you get rid of Dawkins at least sign Wilson. Or use a higher pick in the draft to select more of a sure thing. Same thing with McNabb. I love the guy but if they got rid of him for a better QB or say some crazy trade where they get 2 first round picks in return I would not mind. But this FO just replaces old good players and fails to find equal talent.
Oh and apologies to Reese in advance for the novel I just wrote.
So everyone who is ok with Dawkins leaving is automatically defending the FO for making just a wildly irrational decision, right? There is absolutely no viable justification for letting Dawkins get paid somewhere else?
Please quote the above and go on the record. Thanks.
have you been reading the thread...im pretty sure the lines have been drawn and people have stated which side they stand on
im still looking for a reason to have let him go
dawk cant play anymore? - no
suitable replacement for dawk? - no
great depth at his position? - hell no
couldnt afford him? - no
wanted outrageous money? - no
team has cap problems? - no
so what is the reason for letting him go...im still waiting for a legitimate one
Its money, FF doesnt get it because he loves it so
He accidentally called Banner a doggone funhole.
I'm mildly annoyed at letting him leave and obviously not looking for an on-field replacement. I'm even more annoyed that they're not shoring up some other areas that are lacking thus far. My issue isn't that people are upset he's gone; my issue is that almost everyone is upset simply because they like him or because he'd been on the team a long time or because he is an emotional leader. There is not one person sitting here calling his play on the field the #1 reason that they should have kept him, and that alone shows that it's a fairly reasonable move to let him go. Is it definitely the right decision? No. Is it even probably the right decision? No. But it's not exactly the egregious, unthinkable mistake that you drama queens are trying to make it out to be.
saying there isnt a replacement for him is the same thing as saying his play on the field is A reason to keep him
and how could you possibly dismiss the other stuff...im personally not caught up in all that but to say it doesnt mean anything and to say he isnt emotionally incredibly important to this city and franchise is ignorant
if he was an abortion on the field and an eagle legend you let him go
if he was an average player and not an eagle legend you let him go
if he was a good player and an eagle legend you keep him
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 01, 2009, 09:14:00 PMdawk cant play anymore? - no
Obviously the Eagles disagree with that one. They pay for what someone can provide in the future, not what they did in the past. Always have, always will. Even if they didn't sign Andrews, or they planned to use him somewhere other than RG, there was almost no shot that Runyan would have been back, and I was surprised when they re-signed him 3 years ago because I thought he was going downhill back then. The Eagles made an offer, Dawk felt insulted and he found someone to give him double. Why isn't he getting any blame here? Instead of simply retiring, staying an Eagle forever and walking off as an Eagle fan hero, he took the money elsewhere, which he's entitled to do. Yeah, I'd feel 10000% better if the Eagles had a shot at drafting Taylor Mays next month, but they apparently feel that a guy 12 years younger will provide better coverage and more speed than Dawk. And there's still a possibility of adding a FA or drafting William Moore, Rashad Johnson or Louis Delmas. Again, I was a huge fan of Dawk and always will be and I hate that he's gone, but I root for the
Eagles. If I'm an a-hole because of that, oh well....
Quote from: BigEd76 on March 01, 2009, 09:54:23 PM
The Eagles made an offer, Dawk felt insulted and he found someone to give him double. Why isn't he getting any blame here?
This is something I'm still trying to figure out. The logic seems to be that its okay for Dawkins to go be a greedy farg because the Eagles had plenty of room under the cap.
Quote from: BigEd76 on March 01, 2009, 09:54:23 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 01, 2009, 09:14:00 PMdawk cant play anymore? - no
Obviously the Eagles disagree with that one. They pay for what someone can provide in the future, not what they did in the past. Always have, always will. Even if they didn't sign Andrews, or they planned to use him somewhere other than RG, there was almost no shot that Runyan would have been back, and I was surprised when they re-signed him 3 years ago because I thought he was going downhill back then. The Eagles made an offer, Dawk felt insulted and he found someone to give him double. Why isn't he getting any blame here? Instead of simply retiring, staying an Eagle forever and walking off as an Eagle fan hero, he took the money elsewhere, which he's entitled to do. Yeah, I'd feel 10000% better if the Eagles had a shot at drafting Taylor Mays next month, but they apparently feel that a guy 12 years younger will provide better coverage and more speed than Dawk. And there's still a possibility of adding a FA or drafting William Moore, Rashad Johnson or Louis Delmas. Again, I was a huge fan of Dawk and always will be and I hate that he's gone, but I root for the Eagles. If I'm an a-hole because of that, oh well....
Im completely dumbfounded. I must have seen about 100,000 posts from you and this post has as many words as the rest put together.
let's not encourage him thanks
Sorry if I'm not a fan of internet pissing matches and having an "I'm always right, you're always wrong" attitude. That's why I stick to passing along info and letting others battle it out. I've shared thoughts about the Eagles with others from here many times away from forums...
Quote from: BigEd76 on March 01, 2009, 10:25:20 PMI've shared thoughts about the Eagles with others from here many times away from forums...
It's called cuddle talk.
no i mean whatever im just wow.
Or maybe it's called pillow talk.
I don't know. I avoid talking afterwards.
Dawkins still wants to play. I am sure the other part of the offer the Eagles made included him being a part time player.
And yes Dawkins is being really greedy by accepting a 2 yr 9 million dollar contract from a team that obviously showed they wanted him and would start him. Eagles probably said take less and play less. Whatever I am fine with it I guess...obviously he cost the Eagles the SB this past season.
LAY OFF EASY
he means more to this board than dioMEdes or that retard 15 year old ever will
Quote from: jihadist monk on March 01, 2009, 10:19:04 PM
Quote from: BigEd76 on March 01, 2009, 09:54:23 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 01, 2009, 09:14:00 PMdawk cant play anymore? - no
Obviously the Eagles disagree with that one. They pay for what someone can provide in the future, not what they did in the past. Always have, always will. Even if they didn't sign Andrews, or they planned to use him somewhere other than RG, there was almost no shot that Runyan would have been back, and I was surprised when they re-signed him 3 years ago because I thought he was going downhill back then. The Eagles made an offer, Dawk felt insulted and he found someone to give him double. Why isn't he getting any blame here? Instead of simply retiring, staying an Eagle forever and walking off as an Eagle fan hero, he took the money elsewhere, which he's entitled to do. Yeah, I'd feel 10000% better if the Eagles had a shot at drafting Taylor Mays next month, but they apparently feel that a guy 12 years younger will provide better coverage and more speed than Dawk. And there's still a possibility of adding a FA or drafting William Moore, Rashad Johnson or Louis Delmas. Again, I was a huge fan of Dawk and always will be and I hate that he's gone, but I root for the Eagles. If I'm an a-hole because of that, oh well....
Im completely dumbfounded. I must have seen about 100,000 posts from you and this post has as many words as the rest put together.
i love easy but he didnt really write that...he basically plagerized bob fords article and mixed in some spadaro talking points...which is understandable as he is a emb spadaro crony...and easy if you rooted for the eagles you would be on dawks side here not the FO since dawk has more eagle in his left pinky than a combination of spadaro reid banner and lurie ever will...there are times the FO is to be defended for their positions on veterans and usually youd be correct...this however is not one of them...not even close...btw still waiting for one single legit reason why dawk was not resigned...thread is 18 pages strong and one hasnt been posted
jesus even you are killing easy
look the guy is maybe the most important human being to the message board world and this is how he is treated? have some farging respect you pack of funholes.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 01, 2009, 11:09:34 PM
btw still waiting for one single legit reason why dawk was not resigned...thread is 18 pages strong and one hasnt been posted
Funny, I'm still waiting for a legitimate reason for him to have been resigned.
IGY, you haven't heard a reason cause there isn't one. He was still making plays and was the best FS on our roster. Bottom line is the FO is cheap cheap cheap.
Quote from: bowzer on March 01, 2009, 11:33:57 PM
He was still making plays and was the best FS on our roster.
I'm pretty sure I could count the plays Dawkins made last year on the hand of a shop teacher.
Quote from: General_Failure on March 01, 2009, 11:34:49 PM
Quote from: bowzer on March 01, 2009, 11:33:57 PM
He was still making plays and was the best FS on our roster.
I'm pretty sure I could count the plays Dawkins made last year on the hand of a shop teacher.
Which is more than the plays that Joselio Hanson made?
Howard said if you overpay for Dawkins for sentimental reasons, than you have to do it for other guys...
What other guys are in the same situation was Dawk... lol FAIL
Quote from: bowzer on March 01, 2009, 11:38:13 PM
Quote from: General_Failure on March 01, 2009, 11:34:49 PM
Quote from: bowzer on March 01, 2009, 11:33:57 PM
He was still making plays and was the best FS on our roster.
I'm pretty sure I could count the plays Dawkins made last year on the hand of a shop teacher.
Which is more than the plays that Joselio Hanson made?
Joselio has that pesky "potential" thing still. Dawkins has a used car lot to run someday soon.
Quote from: General_Failure on March 01, 2009, 11:40:09 PM
Quote from: bowzer on March 01, 2009, 11:38:13 PM
Quote from: General_Failure on March 01, 2009, 11:34:49 PM
Quote from: bowzer on March 01, 2009, 11:33:57 PM
He was still making plays and was the best FS on our roster.
I'm pretty sure I could count the plays Dawkins made last year on the hand of a shop teacher.
Which is more than the plays that Joselio Hanson made?
Joselio has that pesky "potential" thing still. Dawkins has a used car lot to run someday soon.
The potential to be a decent #3 cornerback?
The gold standard strikes again.
The more people complain that Dawkins was offered a crap deal, the more I want to say farg Dawkins. I like the guy, I really do, but Jesus Christ he's as useful right now as the condom in Munson's wallet.
Quote from: bowzer on March 01, 2009, 11:33:57 PM
IGY, you haven't heard a reason cause there isn't one. He was still making plays and was the best FS on our roster. Bottom line is the FO is cheap cheap cheap.
we all know there isnt one...so the real question is why are so many people on this board defending the FO...people like easy and FF can be explained but i dont understand the rest of them
Quote from: General_Failure on March 01, 2009, 11:34:49 PM
Quote from: bowzer on March 01, 2009, 11:33:57 PM
He was still making plays and was the best FS on our roster.
I'm pretty sure I could count the plays Dawkins made last year on the hand of a shop teacher.
same amount of sacks as gocong bradley and jordan combined...more forced fumbles than bradley cole parker jordan mikell combined...third on the team in tackles...im not saying he was the dawk of 2002 but the revisionist history going on is ridiculous (but expected)
Actually, I complained about him the entire season. Of course, I complained about the rest of the defense being sub-par as well. But yeah, totally revisionist of me to continue saying he should have retired.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 02, 2009, 12:00:08 AM
Quote from: General_Failure on March 01, 2009, 11:34:49 PM
Quote from: bowzer on March 01, 2009, 11:33:57 PM
He was still making plays and was the best FS on our roster.
I'm pretty sure I could count the plays Dawkins made last year on the hand of a shop teacher.
same amount of sacks as gocong bradley and jordan combined...more forced fumbles than bradley cole parker jordan mikell combined...third on the team in tackles...im not saying he was the dawk of 2002 but the revisionist history going on is ridiculous (but expected)
This is exactly what I was getting back to post. Everyone talks about how Dawk made no plays all year and how terrible he was... even some bullshtein about not "wrapping up" while tackling anymore... but offers nothing to back it up. Yes.. he was slower than he once was... and had some tough games last year. That much is obvious to anyone with half a brain. But again, it's become accepted as fact that Dawkins was a defensive liablity on the field and is completely done... when the truth is, he was one of the team's better defenders.
This move WAS NOT MADE because of Dawkins play on the field last year. 75 tackles, 3 sacks, 6 forced fumbles and an INT say so... not to mention the run suuport presence he still effectively provided.
Quote from: BigEd76 on March 01, 2009, 09:54:23 PM
The Eagles made an offer, Dawk felt insulted and he found someone to give him double. Why isn't he getting any blame here? Instead of simply retiring, staying an Eagle forever and walking off as an Eagle fan hero, he took the money elsewhere, which he's entitled to do.
When Trotter left, he was a bitchboy for wanting more money, same thing with Reggie White years ago. I don't understand why it's different with Darth. He's untouchable.
Quote from: BigEd76 on March 01, 2009, 09:54:23 PMYeah, I'd feel 10000% better if the Eagles had a shot at drafting Taylor Mays next month, but they apparently feel that a guy 12 years younger will provide better coverage and more speed than Dawk. And there's still a possibility of adding a FA or drafting William Moore, Rashad Johnson or Louis Delmas.
No, according to igy and his minions, that's not possible. The line has been drawn and you're either defending the FO or you must hate it. Their is no in between. It doesn't matter that 99.9% of everyone here bashes Banner and Reid on almost every move they make. You're either for them or against them, no matter what.
Quote from: EagleFeva on March 02, 2009, 07:55:46 AM
This is exactly what I was getting back to post. Everyone talks about how Dawk made no plays all year and how terrible he was... even some bullshtein about not "wrapping up" while tackling anymore
Bullshtein?!?!? What friggen' team were you watching last year!?! All he tried to do 90% of the time was spear ball carriers. It was plain as day to see.
I can't believe that their is someone with the audacity to try and defend Darth on this point. It just goes to show you the blind hero worship he has in this town.
Quote from: shorebird on March 02, 2009, 08:03:40 AM
Quote from: EagleFeva on March 02, 2009, 07:55:46 AM
This is exactly what I was getting back to post. Everyone talks about how Dawk made no plays all year and how terrible he was... even some bullshtein about not "wrapping up" while tackling anymore
Bullshtein?!?!? What friggen' team were you watching last year!?! All he tried to do 90% of the time was spear ball carriers. It was plain as day to see.
I can't believe that their is someone with the audacity to try and defend Darth on this point. It just goes to show you the blind hero worship he has in this town.
This is a red herring and as a Shorebird I know you one when you see one. I don't see you addressing the numbers anywhere in your defense of your position.
75 tackles, 3 sacks, 6 forced fumbles and an INT are pretty hard numbers to refute in terms of measuring Dawk's effectiveness. Did the man make plays or not s the only question. It has been pretty successfully argued in this thread that he made more plays than most guys on the team. Who knows maybe his Schtick is growing old in the locker room and maybe the Eagles feel demps is ready to step up but they had better be right or they will be rightly in line for continuous, non-stop, flip and keep roasting to Hockey puck hardness, grilling from every Eagles fan out there.
I hate the front office clowns who run the team but as I've said repeatedly in this thread they made the right decision where Dawk is concerned. Two years or five years, it makes no difference. He's cooked NOW and things are only going to get worse from here on out.
PS: I'll be there when they retire his jersey and I'll continue to wear the one I have proudly.
Quote from: shorebird on March 02, 2009, 08:03:40 AM
Quote from: EagleFeva on March 02, 2009, 07:55:46 AM
This is exactly what I was getting back to post. Everyone talks about how Dawk made no plays all year and how terrible he was... even some bullshtein about not "wrapping up" while tackling anymore
Bullshtein?!?!? What friggen' team were you watching last year!?! All he tried to do 90% of the time was spear ball carriers. It was plain as day to see.
I can't believe that their is someone with the audacity to try and defend Darth on this point. It just goes to show you the blind hero worship he has in this town.
Yes, because bullshtein is exactly what you're talking with that. What friggin' team have you been watching for
the last 13 years?!?! Dawkins has never been a "wrap up" tackler. He's ALWAYS been one to deliver a hard shot or aim directly at the ball when tackling. That's been his style HIS ENTIRE CAREER... which has obviously been effective for the most part so your argument about this becoming some sort of development this year shows you either haven't been watching, ridiculously uninformed... or like I said, making a bullshtein argument.
Quote from: Rome on March 02, 2009, 08:28:30 AM
I hate the front office clowns who run the team but as I've said repeatedly in this thread they made the right decision where Dawk is concerned. Two years or five years, it makes no difference. He's cooked NOW and things are only going to get worse from here on out.
PS: I'll be there when they retire his jersey and I'll continue to wear the one I have proudly.
Link?
Player he was? Nope. Still capable of contributing? Yup. Was he the best FS option for the Eagles in 2009? Likely.
Quote from: Displaced on March 02, 2009, 08:17:42 AM
This is a red herring and as a Shorebird I know you one when you see one. I don't see you addressing the numbers anywhere in your defense of your position.
75 tackles, 3 sacks, 6 forced fumbles and an INT are pretty hard numbers to refute in terms of measuring Dawk's effectiveness.
Those numbers are not irrefutable. They look half good if you didn't actually watch him play. Besides, one of the reasons he had 75 tackles is because he was playing the run so much because our linebackers needed the help. shtein, I can remember Trotter getting over twice that many tackles multiple years.
Quote from: EagleFeva on March 02, 2009, 08:48:00 AM
Quote from: shorebird on March 02, 2009, 08:03:40 AM
Quote from: EagleFeva on March 02, 2009, 07:55:46 AM
This is exactly what I was getting back to post. Everyone talks about how Dawk made no plays all year and how terrible he was... even some bullshtein about not "wrapping up" while tackling anymore
Bullshtein?!?!? What friggen' team were you watching last year!?! All he tried to do 90% of the time was spear ball carriers. It was plain as day to see.
I can't believe that their is someone with the audacity to try and defend Darth on this point. It just goes to show you the blind hero worship he has in this town.
Yes, because bullshtein is exactly what you're talking with that. What friggin' team have you been watching for the last 13 years?!?! Dawkins has never been a "wrap up" tackler. .
:-D :-D Yeah, right, he's never been a wrap up tackler as you can see by this video, espcially when he wraps up Whitten and slams him to the turf.
http://www.youtube.com/v/CO-EekXOZC4
I'll admit, he has made some terrific hits, like the one on Crumpler in the NFCCG against the Falcons, and they were the staple of the kind of player he
used to be. But to say he's never wrapped up any ballcarrier is just someone grasping at straws trying to defend his opinion. Darth, along with Trotter, were the best tacklers on this team for quite a while. Darth now has lost it, period.
OK... maybe I should show a vid of the "Dawkplex" to make a point that he always suplexes a guy when he tackles them. Buy a farging vowel, Shore.
I never said he "never wrapped up any ballcarrier." You did, sushine.
Too be fair, I'm not saying he didn't make any plays last year.
http://www.youtube.com/v/0gglzKGbu8c
Right. You said he made four.
sheldon weighs in:
QuoteBrown said he thinks the Eagles will miss Dawkins' playing ability more than his leadership.
"Everybody talked about him like he was on the decline, but I think that was a bunch of crap," Brown said. "He played at such a high level for so long that any kind of drop-off is still better than most other players. He set the bar so high by the way he played, and he's still one of the best players."
Brown said he doesn't plan to become any more vocal, but he doesn't think Dawkins' leadership qualities are irreplaceable.
"I think leadership is overrated," he said. "Your work ethic is your leadership. People didn't respect Dawk because he spoke well. They respected him for the way he worked in the off-season and the way he was always there for you as a teammate. Guys have to be mature enough and man enough to know this is their job.
"I think in the bigger picture, guys should say, 'If they can let Brian Dawkins go, what can they do to you?' That speaks volumes."
Brown said he was disappointed because he felt the Eagles became a top-notch secondary last season. The team finished first in the NFC and third in the NFL in passing yards allowed.
"I think we finished as one of the top secondaries, and now we're starting to break things up," Brown said.
so manybitchmade muthafargers on here protecting Joe and his 43million
Quote from: shorebird on March 02, 2009, 08:00:23 AM
No, according to igy and his minions, that's not possible. The line has been drawn and you're either defending the FO or you must hate it. Their is no in between. It doesn't matter that 99.9% of everyone here bashes Banner and Reid on almost every move they make. You're either for them or against them, no matter what.
might wanna check the thread and see how many times i mentioned the front office being correct in their decision to get rid of veteran...they jusy happen to be dead wrong this time...so its NOT about being against or for them...every situation is different...the amount of wrong things you have said in this thread is staggering...the latest being comparing the amount of tackles a middle linebacker had in his prime to a safety having in his waning years...he wont be but dawkins could be the worst safety in the nfl next year and it would still be a bad descision to have let him go...i suspect denver will use him exactly how they used lynch his last couple years as a in the box run defender who provides awesome in nthe locker room leasdership and tutelege...plus dawk can still cover a TE when he needs to and be used insome blitz packages...then after one season...maybe two depending on how he plays he will leave their secondary and defense in hopefully a better place...for denver its a good to decent signing nothing more...but for the eagles its an inexcusable descision...cant wait for the broncos to come to town next year
still waiting for a good reason why dawk should have been let go...
I like Demps, but he aint ready, so really what is the farging plan? Move Sheldon back? Sign Greer and have him starting opposite Hanson? This team downgraded on defense this year, and lost its Leader. Defend that
Quote from: hunt on March 02, 2009, 09:26:22 AM
sheldon weighs in:
QuoteBrown said he thinks the Eagles will miss Dawkins' playing ability more than his leadership.
"Everybody talked about him like he was on the decline, but I think that was a bunch of crap," Brown said. "He played at such a high level for so long that any kind of drop-off is still better than most other players. He set the bar so high by the way he played, and he's still one of the best players."
Brown said he doesn't plan to become any more vocal, but he doesn't think Dawkins' leadership qualities are irreplaceable.
"I think leadership is overrated," he said. "Your work ethic is your leadership. People didn't respect Dawk because he spoke well. They respected him for the way he worked in the off-season and the way he was always there for you as a teammate. Guys have to be mature enough and man enough to know this is their job.
"I think in the bigger picture, guys should say, 'If they can let Brian Dawkins go, what can they do to you?' That speaks volumes."
Brown said he was disappointed because he felt the Eagles became a top-notch secondary last season. The team finished first in the NFC and third in the NFL in passing yards allowed.
"I think we finished as one of the top secondaries, and now we're starting to break things up," Brown said.
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You all need hobbies.
I've recently taken up shoveling snow. Hella rewarding.
Quote from: rjs246 on March 02, 2009, 09:34:11 AM
You all need hobbies.
pretty sure youre looking at it....my entire life is the four philly sports teams with a little rap music sprinkled in...so this could go on for the next three months straight and id be happy
and to answer your question no i dont have much going for me
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 02, 2009, 09:29:36 AM
still waiting for a good reason why dawk should have been let go...
Got a feeling you're going to be waiting a long time for that one. Instead, be prepared to be told how much you're bitching and whining approximately 50,000 times.
Quote from: EagleFeva on March 02, 2009, 08:48:00 AM
Quote from: shorebird on March 02, 2009, 08:03:40 AM
Quote from: EagleFeva on March 02, 2009, 07:55:46 AM
This is exactly what I was getting back to post. Everyone talks about how Dawk made no plays all year and how terrible he was... even some bullshtein about not "wrapping up" while tackling anymore
Bullshtein?!?!? What friggen' team were you watching last year!?! All he tried to do 90% of the time was spear ball carriers. It was plain as day to see.
I can't believe that their is someone with the audacity to try and defend Darth on this point. It just goes to show you the blind hero worship he has in this town.
Yes, because bullshtein is exactly what you're talking with that. What friggin' team have you been watching for the last 13 years?!?! Dawkins has never been a "wrap up" tackler. He's ALWAYS been one to deliver a hard shot or aim directly at the ball when tackling. That's been his style HIS ENTIRE CAREER... which has obviously been effective for the most part so your argument about this becoming some sort of development this year shows you either haven't been watching, ridiculously uninformed... or like I said, making a bullshtein argument.
The truth.
Shore...
Are you serious? Are you busting out YouTube hit clips to prove that he wraps guys up? This argument is crazy. Obviously throughout his career he has "form tackled" guys. That is fundamental. But the fact is that Dawk has always been a big hit guy. If there's a shot to take, he takes it.
He has so many tackles because he primarily plays in the box. More so this past year or so because of his lost step in coverage. Johnson keeps him in the box because of what he does up there. That is where he helps the most. You do not take Brian Dawkins and have him play center field.
Jesus Christ!
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 02, 2009, 10:13:49 AM
Shore...
Are you serious? Are you busting out YouTube hit clips to prove that he wraps guys up? This argument is crazy. Obviously throughout his career he has "form tackled" guys. That is fundamental. But the fact is that Dawk has always been a big hit guy. If there's a shot to take, he takes it.
He has so many tackles because he primarily plays in the box. More so this past year or so because of his lost step in coverage. Johnson keeps him in the box because of what he does up there. That is where he helps the most. You do not take Brian Dawkins and have him play center field.
Jesus Christ!
Colud not agree more. As someone in here stated Dawk was still their best option at free safety this season.
He was still playing at a level that is in the top 10-15 and that is a conservative nunber, at his position.
You don't throw that away without a viable back up plan. Now if they had kept Lito as the starter oposite 22 and moved Sheldon to safety then they have a rational argument for letting Dawk go but absent that or something like that, I have no idea what their philosophy is for the secondary going forward.
I honestly think they got caught with their pants down.
Quote from: Displaced on March 02, 2009, 10:40:24 AM
Colud not agree more. As someone in here stated Dawk was still their best option at free safety this season.
He was still playing at a level that is in the top 10-15 and that is a conservative nunber, at his position.
guy made the probowl...undeservingly...but still he made it and is isnt miles and miles from that level...he also won nfl defensive player of the month in DECEMBER...it wasnt like he declined greatly thruout the year...problem is people are comparing dawk to 2002 dawk and not to 2008 (insert any of the many zesty safeties in the nfl) ___________ or 2009 demps
i still think this is all way more about banner and the eagles than it is about dawk...however the combination of no suitable replascement plan AND the fact thast hes on the eagles mt rushmore is a deadly combo for this regime
Dawkins was not a FS last year. At all.
We changed our scheme around and told him to knock some motherfargers out.
QuoteFactoid of the Week That May Interest Only Me
Want to know why seven-time Pro Bowl defender Brian Dawkins was so eager to leave Philly? It had something to do with being wanted, which, in today's football, is all about the benjamins.
Money Dawkins earned in the last three seasons in Philadelphia: $7.2 million.
Money Dawkins will earn in Denver in 2009: $7.2 million.
Dawkins is worth being the highest paid free safety in football.
Yea. Sure. Ok. Right. Mhm. Yep. Righto. Rly. Sr sly. Freal.
money is irrelevant with the cap this year and the possibility of an uncapped year next year
Quote from: SunMo on March 02, 2009, 11:00:59 AM
money is irrelevant with the cap this year and the possibility of an uncapped year next year
And we have a winner.
3.5 a year for the next two seasons is nothing for what he brings and for being 43 mil under the cap..lots of players worse than dawk are making more money than that over the next two...klecko gets like five mil this year...to bring up money at all in todays nfl is to have no clue what youre talking about...to bring up the amount of money dawk will be making should put you in a rubber room with banner...again its peanuts
lj smith made 5 last year
I get angrier by the day thinking about how the Eagles botched this deal and flat out ignored signing him.
Did Dawk come back to Philly and give them a chance to match the deal? I don't think I've seen either way.
From the EMB per Eckel on WIP:
QuoteEckel said sources told him that there was a clause in the contract that the Eagles offered Dawkins that really pissed him off and helped push him to Denver. That clause was that if Dawkins got hurt and missed game(s) then Dawkins would have to start giving money back to the Eagles.
If that's true, they should be ashamed.
That's a really dumb clause to put in the contract of a guy that's missed a handful of games his entire career. Now, pulling shtein like that on Westbrook I could see.
Speaking of Westbrook, I am really concerned that he is basically cooked as well. I might actually be more worried about the other guy that signed with Denver. Buck had a great year last year.
Oh well, there's always LoBo. He's super.
GO BIRDS!
Its going to be such a slap in the face when Westbrook finishes his career with Buffalo.
Hey man, that ain't me... I'm from Buffalo.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 02, 2009, 10:56:57 AM
QuoteFactoid of the Week That May Interest Only Me
Want to know why seven-time Pro Bowl defender Brian Dawkins was so eager to leave Philly? It had something to do with being wanted, which, in today's football, is all about the benjamins.
Money Dawkins earned in the last three seasons in Philadelphia: $7.2 million.
Money Dawkins will earn in Denver in 2009: $7.2 million.
Yeah it was a surprise when he signed the current 2 yr deal he was on. It was below his market value.
I am pretty sure the whole thing went down with them telling him early, right after the loss to ARZ, that they would only bring him back at a lower salary and in a much more reduced role.
Its not like he left on the first day and had no idea what the Eagles would have offered.
New Facebook Group:
Take a Walk For Dawk!
QuoteThis time they have gone too far!! The self proclaimed "Gold Standard" of NFL franchises has ripped out the collective heart of it's fan base. We are outraged, and THEY DON'T CARE! Our hard earned dollars are the only reason they even stomach us commoners.
The fans have called for boycotts and protests in the past, yet we have done nothing. We could never turn our backs on our beloved Eagles, so Lurie and Banner continue with their smug,elitist ways. The waiting list for season tickets assures these carpetbaggers that the sheep will continue to follow.
But we can do something. A dramatic statement to embarrass the front office and make our voices heard....
Here's what we do!!
Brian Dawkins and the Denver Broncos will be coming to town this season. When Dawk comes out of the tunnel for the Opposing team(hard to even think of that) we give him the loudest ovation the Linc has ever heard...and as soon as the cheering dies down - WE ALL WALK OUT!! Imagine the TV cameras focused on 60,000 plus leaving the Linc before the game even starts!! And it doesn't take much effort or planning... just leave. Then we get to enjoy an extended 3 hours of tailgating and Lurie/Banner bashing.
The arrogance of this front office needs to be put in check. The best way for our voices to be heard is for them not to be heard at all, even for one game
I urge all season ticket holders to join me in honoring Dawk. I sure as hell won't be staying past his introduction
Paul
Section 228
Chances they hunt Paul down and take his tickets away = 120%
thats farging awesome
Paul in section 228, can I have your tickets?
I couldnt think of anything gayer than what that dude just proposed
yeah thats wonderful Paul--60,000 fans leave before the game starts but the front office still has your entrance fee money--see ya at the next home game slick
Quote from: Don Ho on March 02, 2009, 03:09:42 PM
Paul in section 228, can I have your tickets?
Too late, Paul of section 228 was found dead, apparently of a massive crush injury to the body. A Motorola headset was found nearby.
Quote from: reese125 on March 02, 2009, 03:13:49 PM
yeah thats wonderful Paul--60,000 fans leave before the game starts but the front office still has your entrance fee money--see ya at the next home game slick
Plus, the team will get a ton more free pub. Lurie and Banner will laugh all the way to the bank.
proof the end is near
poll question from the Inquirer
Which longtime Philadelphia athlete will this town miss more?
Pat Burrell
Brian Dawkins
cyanide capsules for all of us.
Burrell had a key hit in a championship-clinching game, and yet he shouldn't be pulling more than 10% in that poll.
he should get zero...he wasnt very good at all and his replacement is much better...plus dawkins might make his leagues HOF burrell wont even make his teams
yes, pat burrell wasn't very good at all
disgrace in the field...empty offensive numbers...horrible person...his on paper numbers are enough for him not to have sucked but he certainly wasnt very good and wont be missed in the least unless you happen to bartend at buddahkan
honestly you probably deserve to die as much as anyone not named Jeff Goldblum
DGunn on DNL said Dawks agent told him they checked back with the Eagles 3 or 4 times telling them what Denver was offering but the stubborn ass Eagles wouldn't budge.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on March 02, 2009, 05:07:47 PM
DGunn on DNL said Dawks agent told him they checked back with the Eagles 3 or 4 times telling them what Denver was offering but the stubborn ass Eagles wouldn't budge.
of course they wouldnt....anyone that watched dawks denver presser and saw his face and the face of his wife knew they of course would have given joey ample opportunity to come back with a better offer...they did not want to leave philly...but its not in banner to do that...he bows to no one...people bow to him...this is where i blame lurie...youre the farging owner...have some balls to stand up to that farging pipsqueek and tell him dawk is not leaving no matter what
DGunn also said he looked around the league and besides 2 players (troy p. and ...ed reed i'm guessing?) he couldn't find someone better.
Burrell's team won a championship.
Dawkins didn't win shtein.
Quote from: MadMarchHare on March 02, 2009, 08:16:26 PM
Burrell's team won a championship.
Dawkins didn't win shtein.
... and they were both the sole reason for each of their respective outcomes.
Do you want to start talking about McNabb missing wide open receivers again? Really?
What on earth are you talking about?
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 02, 2009, 05:11:36 PM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on March 02, 2009, 05:07:47 PM
DGunn on DNL said Dawks agent told him they checked back with the Eagles 3 or 4 times telling them what Denver was offering but the stubborn ass Eagles wouldn't budge.
of course they wouldnt....anyone that watched dawks denver presser and saw his face and the face of his wife knew they of course would have given joey ample opportunity to come back with a better offer...they did not want to leave philly...but its not in banner to do that...he bows to no one...people bow to him...this is where i blame lurie...youre the farging owner...have some balls to stand up to that farging pipsqueek and tell him dawk is not leaving no matter what
Truth.
You guys are still crying about this? Jesus - I don't think Dawkins himself cried about leaving as much as some of you are. Jam some sanitary napkins up your twats and shut the hell up already.
Being pissed and angry at the Eagles for performing this coat-hanger abortion is different than crying.
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Quote from: MadMarchHare on March 02, 2009, 08:16:26 PM
Burrell's team won a championship.
Dawkins didn't win shtein.
matt stairs won championship and donovan didnt :o
Adam Eaton won and DePimp did NOT!
yeah but the pimp will win multiple before he is done
With whoever signs him away from the Eagles.
i thought that was a given
I'm just glad we're all on the same page here.
wait can igy and that 15 year old retard get into another fight about burrell. somehow that got lost in the shuffle of the upteenth joe banner is a big douche post.
umpteenth...try one millionth...and i wont stop till that devil is gone...worst person in the history of philadelphia sports...even worse than chris webber
burrell walked a lot
I'll bet his hair smelled like stripper ass.
Quote from: rjs246 on March 02, 2009, 10:15:59 PM
I'll bet his hair smelled like stripper ass.
more like a combination of a buddakhan poo poo platter obsession and hood chedder
damn im gonna miss pat burrell.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 02, 2009, 09:25:00 PM
Being pissed and angry at the Eagles for performing this coat-hanger abortion is different than crying.
Nice try to have some "edge" there.
i had a dream the eagles signed Chris Mcalister
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 02, 2009, 10:14:11 PM
umpteenth...try one millionth...and i wont stop till that devil is gone...worst person in the history of philadelphia sports...even worse than chris webber
Worse than Kotite? Tose?
Quote from: FastFreddie on March 02, 2009, 10:25:15 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 02, 2009, 09:25:00 PM
Being pissed and angry at the Eagles for performing this coat-hanger abortion is different than crying.
Nice try to have some "edge" there.
I am angry....no trying at all.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on March 03, 2009, 08:20:42 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 02, 2009, 10:14:11 PM
umpteenth...try one millionth...and i wont stop till that devil is gone...worst person in the history of philadelphia sports...even worse than chris webber
Worse than Kotite? Tose?
way worse...i actually liked leonard tose...anyone whose favorite drink was a rob roy is ok with me....and he wasnt sinister...he was just a sad man who had a serious disease...when you hit rock bottom you do things out of desperation...deep down tho he wasnt a bad person
kotite was just a horrible football coach...who should have never been hired by braman (who btw was a worse eagle figure than kotite and tose combined)...calling kotite one of the worst people in franchise history would be like calling sean considine one of the worst...its not considines fault he was drafted and tried to have a starting position shoved down his throat by andy
Worst people in Eagles history: Troy Vincent and Brian Westbrook and it really isn't even up for discussion.
They had a moral obligation to be healthy and dominant in any and all Championship games and failed utterly every time. May they rot in hell. Amen.
Quote from: rjs246 on March 03, 2009, 09:54:33 AM
Worst people in Eagles history: Troy Vincent and Brian Westbrook and it really isn't even up for discussion.
They had a moral obligation to be healthy and dominant in any and all Championship games and failed utterly every time. May they rot in hell. Amen.
I was gonna go the Dio route: Reggie White for being such a bigot and Jerome Brown for killing himself and his nephew.
I rule.
Quote from: Diomedes on March 03, 2009, 10:36:38 AM
It's the car I've always wanted, and now I have it. I rule.
American Beauty
who was not a beauty, ironically
I would hit Annette Bening before Mena Suvari. Thora Birch has some good days too.
Brian Dawkins would impale all three at the same time if he didn't love Jesus.
jets signed leohard
the real american beauty
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WyGISOfNJX4
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 03, 2009, 11:39:49 AM
jets signed leohard
Thank God. I would have hated to see the Eagles let Dawkins go but not hand over a starting spot to a 2nd-year guy without competition.
So the Birds now have 2 safeties on the team and the best names in FA have been signed... uh, so what now?
their safeties are a 5th round pick and a undrafted free agent...holla
Quote from: FastFreddie on March 03, 2009, 11:37:25 AM
I would hit Annette Bening before Mena Suvari. Thora Birch has some good days too.
Brian Dawkins would impale all three at the same time if he didn't love Jesus.
lol
rjs, Consodine being gone makes it better
Quote from: rjs246 on March 03, 2009, 11:49:49 AM
So the Birds now have 2 safeties on the team and the best names in FA have been signed... uh, so what now?
Quote from: Father Demon on March 02, 2009, 11:41:50 AM
Maybe they're working a trade for Ed Reed.
Trading for Ed Reed would force me to ejaculate to death. Everyone wins!
Quote from: rjs246 on March 03, 2009, 12:17:12 PM
Trading for Ed Reed would force me to ejaculate to death. Everyone wins!
Especially all the inhabitants of heaven!
Heaven? Really?
i would like to discuss the leadership aspect of this again if possible
I don't feel like Mena Suvari has the leadership qualities that I'm looking for in a highschool cheerleader/lover/fetus.
she does have the ability to make flowers release from her bussoms
Worst talent ever.
others would disagree...namely florists and fetus lovers
Eagles Play Denver at home this year. I will be at that game :-D
Quote from: fansince61 on March 03, 2009, 04:09:55 PM
Eagles Play Denver at home this year. I will be at that game :-D
lol
I wish I could take credit for this:
Quotein the Eagles clubhouse after Brian Dawkins left:
TRENT COLE: Something is wrong. I feel... leaderless.
MIKE PATTERSON: Me too. I feel unmotivated. Rudderless. Empty. Someone should call a meeting to talk about it.
CHRIS GOCONG: But who? Only leaders can call meetings. We have no leaders. No leaders whatsoever!
ASANTE SAMUEL: You are right. I am just a Pro Bowl caliber player who spent years playing for the most successful franchise of recent history. I cannot possibly fill the void.
SHELDON BROWN: Nor can I, a veteran who has been with the team for years.
DONOVAN McNABB: Everyone knows I can't do it, because I am weak, selfish, lazy, temperamental, incompetent, and secretly evil.
TRENT COLE: Guys, I forget ... I forget how to put on a helmet. Is this strap thing a chin strap or a scrotum strap?
CHRIS GOCONG: Who will bang his fist on the ground and make crazy gestures when his name is announced? Without those gestures, we cannot possibly win.
SHELDON BROWN: I ... I can try. When they call my name, I will smile and blow kisses to everyone, wave my hand gently. That will work right? Please, tell me that will work.
MIKE PATTERSON: My God, why won't anyone call a meeting?
ASANTE SAMUEL: Woe unto us. Our only hope was to keep playing an aging safety whose skills have been in decline for years, a guy we had to hide in coverage. He may have been a step too slow. We may have had to keep Quentin Demps in deep coverage to protect him, but Dawkins' leadership was the only thing that kept this defense together!
CHRIS GOCONG: Guys, how do we get out of the clubhouse? Dawkins always led the way. Without him, we may never figure out how to leave this room!
MIKE PATTERSON: I'll never see daylight again. I'll never see daylight again.
SHELDON BROWN: That wooden thing, with the knob and the hinges. I think it holds the secret to our escape. Trent, try to do something to it.
TRENT COLE: I cannot. I am not driven enough, not intense enough.
BRIAN WESTBROOK: C'mon guys, aren't we getting carried away? Brian was a great player, but he was well past his prime. He was turning into a role player, and he probably only has one year left as a starter. Yes, his leadership meant a lot to all of us. But we are all professionals, and there are plenty of veterans on this roster who know how to win. There's me, Sheldon, Asante. Mike, you and Trent are young veterans now, and you can do your part to keep everyone focused and ready to play. Even Donovan might conceivably play a leadership role, as insane as that sounds. So let's wish Brian well and get on with our lives. What do you say? Guys? Guys?
TRENT COLE: I think I am going to go wedge my head behind the toilet and sob.
MIKE PATTERSON: Me too
CHRIS GOCONG: Make room!
BRIAN WESTBROOK: Sigh.
you wish you could take credit for something boring and stupid?
The only thing missing from that post is Andy Reid in the background snickering, "..yeah, I'll show those ungrateful Eagle fans.. I'll show 'em."
Quote from: SunMo on March 03, 2009, 05:32:47 PM
you wish you could take credit for something boring and stupid?
or he likes to look like a complete idiot
i still wouldnt have been able to make it past the first gocong line but it might have been semi tolerable if over the years almost anyone who has ever played with dawk hadnt said what an incredible leader he is
jesus that was lame. Sounds like a white guy wrote it...
Quote from: BigEd76 on March 03, 2009, 06:07:38 PM
jesus that was lame. Sounds like a white guy wrote it...
Sounds like reese wrote it.
Quote from: QB Eagles on March 03, 2009, 06:17:42 PM
Quote from: BigEd76 on March 03, 2009, 06:07:38 PM
jesus that was lame. Sounds like a white guy wrote it...
Sounds like reese wrote it.
written by reese...edited by a drunk munson...typed up by cole
Ill be here all day waiting for you to write something funny igy that rj and phreak dont find hysterical--just once make me even grin
thanks
What?
???
I don't remember the last time I laughed at anything anyone wrote on this board. So please light yourself on fire before attempting using my name to make a point. Thanks.
Quote from: rjs246 on March 03, 2009, 07:44:35 PM
I don't remember the last time I laughed at anything anyone wrote on this board. So please light yourself on fire before attempting using my name to make a point. Thanks.
yeah I know youre soooo cold--nobody can break you. people amaze me
And me...how'd my name get tossed in these shenanigans?
same reason my name got thrown in the mix..no worries bud
Quote from: rjs246 on March 03, 2009, 07:44:35 PM
I don't remember the last time I laughed at anything anyone wrote on this board. So please light yourself on fire before attempting using my name to make a point. Thanks.
What about the time Dio told us about the girl he knocked up and subsequently punched in the stomach to abort the kid?
Quote from: reese125 on March 03, 2009, 07:50:50 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on March 03, 2009, 07:44:35 PM
I don't remember the last time I laughed at anything anyone wrote on this board. So please light yourself on fire before attempting using my name to make a point. Thanks.
yeah I know youre soooo cold--nobody can break you. people amaze me
What in the bloody farg are you blathering about?
Quote from: Rome on March 03, 2009, 07:55:02 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on March 03, 2009, 07:44:35 PM
I don't remember the last time I laughed at anything anyone wrote on this board. So please light yourself on fire before attempting using my name to make a point. Thanks.
What about the time Dio told us about the girl he knocked up and subsequently punched in the stomach to abort the kid?
Dude I totally forgot about that. I take it all back.
hey..see that
I got some more but I have to swiffer the floor
reese has gone from stupid and annoying to plain old bizarre and incoherent. Oh well, I guess it wasn't that long of a journey.
is this a bad time to tell you how much Ive enjoyed your 30,000+ comments about the same thing over the last 2 years?
At least that was almost a sentence.
get it through your depressed skull--Im better than you
Don't hate you because you're beautiful?
That's so true. Hold me.
You iceholes make me laugh on average once a day.
Watching some of the players reaction on the news... this move was great for player morale!!
Quentin Mikell was nearly crying
Bitches, all of 'em. Any player making more than the league minimum going around crying about Dawkins needs to be shot.
The fact that he's gone and the rest of the free agent talent is gone, means only one thing. DRAFT BABY!! Who's excited about the draft as much as I am! I can't wait to see what losers they pick this year!
There's a ton of YouTube sensations out there just waiting to be given a chance!!!
I don't want this team to draft anyone that can't jump out of a pool.
Quote from: bowzer on March 03, 2009, 11:27:37 PM
Watching some of the players reaction on the news... this move was great for player morale!!
That's what I was thinking. There was absolutely ZERO reason to make this move.
It wasn't money
It wasn't his abilities
It wasn't because they have someone better
It wasn't because they PLANNED on GETTING someone better
It wasn't because he was a problem player
It wasn't because the players didn't get along with him.
they were just clearing up cap space for a rainy day.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on March 04, 2009, 09:38:21 AM
It wasn't because he was a problem player
ahhh but he was....he wanted more money than banner/roseman inc. wanted to give
If only we had known, we could have held a bake sale for Poor Brian Dawkins so he can feed his children and buy more comic books.
Have you seen what comic books cost these days? Jesus.
from PFT, splaining an Eckel article
Quote"Not only didn't the team move from its $3 million offer," Eckel writes, "but it wanted Dawkins to include a clause in the contract that he would have to pay money back to the team for any game he missed. That is almost unprecedented, especially for a player of Dawkins' stature."
It's largely a matter of semantics. No NFL contract requires any player to "pay money back."
The reality is that an increasing number of contracts include so-called "per-game roster bonuses," which hinge compensation on the player's actual participation in games. The Giants inserted such a provision in the Plaxico Burress contract, and other players with recognizable names have agreed to this provision.
So the player isn't paying money back; he's simply not earning as much as he could have if he misses one or more games.
I'm starting to think that they should have simply not offered him a contract at all. Why fake it when you clearly don't care what anybody THINKS about the moves you're making?
It's still bullshtein. The guy presumably got hurt playing for the team.
Contracts need to be guaranteed too
Yeah, because those sports with 100% guaranteed contracts are all doing great.
The NFL is run much better than other pro sports. The good players can command more guaranteed money. Other players have to earn it game after game.
The balance of power should be equalized. The other sports lack of success compared to the NFLs isn't because of contracts, it's because football is a better sport
If contracts were 100% guaranteed, then contracts would be lower in general anyway.
Despite the fact that there's nothing I hate more than millionaire athletes pissing and moaning about how unfair their contracts/lives are, I have been convinced that the contracts should be guaranteed. The draw of the league revolves around players and teams, not front offices. They risk serious bodily injury and have life spans roughly 15 years shorter than people who don't play in the NFL. That's significant.
Yeah, but those numbers are skewed by guys shooting themselves and taking boat rides in bad weather without T-Pain.
Most NFL players get guaranteed money as it is. Those that don't generally are lucky to be in th league anyway. Coal miners, firefighters, and commercial fishermen risk bodily injury (and death) and don't make millions of dollars to play a sport and be privileged celebs.
The comparison isn't really fair, but you're right to some extent.
However, NFL players average something like 3 years of employment in the league and do not make enough money to last the next 30-40 years on just that money. On top of that, we all went to college and know damn well that 90% of people who play football and are good enough to play in the NFL have absolutely no other skills that will allow them to work and live in normal society. Miners, firefighters, etc have careers that sustain them for much longer. I see what you're getting at and agree to a certain extent, but contracts should still be guaranteed.
Contracts should be guaranteed. And they should be based on performance more than they are, protecting both parties and encouraging good entertainment for me.
Quote from: rjs246 on March 04, 2009, 01:15:43 PM
On top of that, we all went to college and know damn well that 90% of people who play football and are good enough to play in the NFL have absolutely no other skills that will allow them to work and live in normal society. Miners, firefighters, etc have careers that sustain them for much longer. I see what you're getting at and agree to a certain extent, but contracts should still be guaranteed.
i'm pretty sure 90% of all NFL players could be cut tomorrow and still be able to get jobs as miners, firefighters, or cops.
or bankers
I wish Shaun Alexander would save me from a burning house. He's dreamy.
He'd rather try to save you to Jeebus
Quote from: rjs246 on March 04, 2009, 01:50:00 PM
I wish Shaun Alexander would save me from a burning house. He's dreamy.
I wonder if igy would let Dawkins save him from a burning house. I wouldn't. I'd tell him to get his ugly mug the farg out of my house.
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Next to trading Ruth to the Yankees this is the worst decision in the history of professional sports. I have been coming to games and had season tickets most years since 1961. Loosing Dawkins this way is devasting not only skill wise to the defence, but moral wise. You can't expect players to have any confidence at all in management when they act in this rectless manner. If there was a real board of directors heads would be rolling as shareholders wouldn't put up with this incompetency. This wasn't "number" crunching..it was a basic betral. It clearly shows a management style that is detached, unable to recognize opportunity, unable to build a championship team and unable to close the deal with the most needed players. Because they are unable to think outside the box they have to follow their inflexible "game plan" cheat sheet. Ya, they hit it right 70% of the time but 30% of the time they make terrible decisions. There will not be a championship here until we have new owners/top management.
There are no safties better than Dawk in free agency or in the draft...oh wait, maybe they'll resign Considine.
Please tell me this is the same guy. Please?
LOL, look at the spelling. 100% chance its him
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on March 04, 2009, 08:58:23 PM
LOL, look at the spelling. 100% chance its him
good point....but its still overall way to coherent
That spelling makes me want to gouge out IGY's eyes.
Quote from: PPinDC on March 04, 2009, 09:02:58 PM
That spelling makes me want to gouge out IGY's eyes.
more than normal?
Gold Standard.
(http://media1.break.com/dnet/media/2009/3/67%20How%20Much%20do%20You%20Really%20Love%20Wolverine.jpg)
Sal Pal just destroyed the Eagles for not resigning Dawkins.
Quote from: bowzer on March 08, 2009, 11:37:31 PM
Sal Pal just destroyed the Eagles for not resigning Dawkins.
sal pal all OVER the story
Was he on Spring Break last week or something?
Sal Pal also said that Lurie called Dawkins to try and convince him to stay but it was too late, and he wishes that he had been more involved in the negotiations because he would have made sure he retired an Eagle.
Did anyone see Q- Mikell last night? He looked heart broken and almost broke down a few times.
Quote from: bowzer on March 09, 2009, 10:22:48 AM
Sal Pal also said that Lurie called Dawkins to try and convince him to stay but it was too late, and he wishes that he had been more involved in the negotiations because he would have made sure he retired an Eagle.
Did anyone see Q- Mikell last night? He looked heart broken and almost broke down a few times.
Can someone tell me the whole Sal Pal story? I missed it.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on March 09, 2009, 10:23:29 AM
Quote from: bowzer on March 09, 2009, 10:22:48 AM
Sal Pal also said that Lurie called Dawkins to try and convince him to stay but it was too late, and he wishes that he had been more involved in the negotiations because he would have made sure he retired an Eagle.
Did anyone see Q- Mikell last night? He looked heart broken and almost broke down a few times.
Can someone tell me the whole Sal Pal story? I missed it.
Yes, please.
Sal Pal: Dawk's a hero and completely blameless in his decision to leave. Meanwhile Lurie, Banner & Reid are evil and deserve to die screaming. The end.
Sal Pal also said that he doesn't think that the Eagles aren't retooling, but instead rebuilding. No more Dawk, no more Tre, no more Runyan, and no new weapons for Mcnabb as of yet.
He said that they should have done everything in their power to keep Dawkins in Philly because he was the epitome of the city, and they made a huge mistake when they let him go. He also said that Dawkins willed the team in the playoffs, was NFC defensive player of the month in December, and even convinced Lurie and crew to grow a bear. To let him go was inexcusable.
/end summary.
Is Sal Pal from Philly?
There is no rebuilding in the NFL. Teams go from picking 3rd overall to making the playoffs in a single offseason. There is only retooling. Not sure I agree with Sal on that one.
farg Sal Pal. He guaranteed victory over Tampa and Carolina. I still blame him and not Kirkland, Bishop, Thrash or Pinkston.
no way in hell the Eagles will ever publicaly come out and say they are rebuilding
they want everyone to believe they are in championship contention every year no matter who is on the field and you'll have to pay to find out
pedal to the metal fo life
Quote from: General_Failure on March 09, 2009, 08:36:02 PM
Quote from: bowzer on March 09, 2009, 06:39:19 PM
no more Tre
Quote from: bowzer on March 09, 2009, 06:39:19 PM
Tre
Quote from: bowzer on March 09, 2009, 06:39:19 PM
Tre
Quote from: bowzer on March 09, 2009, 06:39:19 PM
Tre
Somebody a little bored?
Nope, but I think someone doesn't know how to spell "Tra"
Quote from: bowzer on March 09, 2009, 10:46:48 PM
Quote from: General_Failure on March 09, 2009, 08:36:02 PM
Quote from: bowzer on March 09, 2009, 06:39:19 PM
no more Tre
Quote from: bowzer on March 09, 2009, 06:39:19 PM
Tre
Quote from: bowzer on March 09, 2009, 06:39:19 PM
Tre
Quote from: bowzer on March 09, 2009, 06:39:19 PM
Tre
Somebody a little bored?
And unoriginal.
Cocks.
Runyan is gone?
Runyan is injured, is an unrestricted free agent, and his replacement has been signed.
yeah but is he gone?
back for 2009 fullback
mcpouty on bdawk (and others)....
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Tra & B-Dawk
submitted by DonovanMcNabb 14 hours ago
I usually don't remark about teammates unless asked but I felt it was necessary to share my thoughts on a couple of teammates that are no longer in Philadelphia. I have been a part of the Philadelphia Eagles for 10 years and I have not played a game, attended a practice, sweated in training camp, built a playground or participated in a Carnival, and more importantly dreamed of a championship parade, without Brian Dawkins and Tra Thomas being a part of it. We all had a goal of bringing a championship to this city and while we didn't achieve that goal, we have had a lot of successes during our time together. I was always confident that Tra had my blindside. When he was out there it was one less thing to worry about. As for Brian, mere words cannot explain what he has meant to me, our team, and the City of Philadelphia. He and I shared many things besides a locker room. We shared a passion for the game, a desire to make a difference, and dreams for better things.
There may be other men to come in here and play these positions and hopefully we can share successes. I will always regret not having the chance to win a championship with these guys.
It is important to note that I also will miss playing with a few other guys as well. Correll Buckhlater, Lito Sheppard, Greg Lewis, and Sean Considine will all be missed and I do wish them all success.
I like how he throws in the 'other guys' at the very end.
Corksucker didn't even mention Runyan. BURN HIM!
Quote from: General_Failure on March 10, 2009, 01:16:51 PM
Corksucker didn't even mention Runyan. BURN HIM!
(http://www.philaflava.com/forum/images/smiles/dcracistemo0mp.gif)
Looks like he won't miss LJ either
Booooooo!! Bring in Kolb! Feeley!
Quote from: mikey418 on March 10, 2009, 08:25:24 AM
Nope, but I think someone doesn't know how to spell "Tra"
I'll make sure to contact you for editing purposes when I write my thesis.
QuoteThere may be other men to come in here and play these positions and hopefully we can share successes. I will always regret not having the chance to win a championship with these guys.
He had his chance to win a championship with those guys and puked.
Quote from: General_Failure on March 10, 2009, 01:16:51 PM
Corksucker didn't even mention Runyan. BURN HIM!
Runyan always clogs the shower drain with beast hair.
not the only thing he's cloggin in the shower :paranoid
Quote from: mussa on March 11, 2009, 02:58:39 PM
not the only thing he's clogginflogging in the shower :paranoid
You guys spend a lot of time imagining Runyan in the shower?
Your drain would be clogged with back and shoulder hair...
Quote from: shorebird on March 11, 2009, 05:40:03 AM
QuoteThere may be other men to come in here and play these positions and hopefully we can share successes. I will always regret not having the chance to win a championship with these guys.
He had his chance to win a championship with those guys and puked.
:-D
clearly times are tough (http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/20090311_Forbes__Eagles_owner_Jeffrey_Lurie_now_a_billionaire.html) for ol jeffy, its understandable that he didnt have the money to spend on dawk.
question: bigger cheer in the lurie household
a. patriots win the super bowl
b. eagles will nfccg
c. $
d. when they fired the retard cripple same thing
red sox win the world series
Jeffy made the Forbes billionare list this year, poor Jeffy
its obvious by his responses--B-Dawk is still salty as a mother towards this decision
http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/sports/football/eagles/B-Dawk_Still_an__Eagle_at_Heart__Philadelphia.html (http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/sports/football/eagles/B-Dawk_Still_an__Eagle_at_Heart__Philadelphia.html)
thanks for enraging me again....words cant describe how much of a disgrace it is that the team didnt bring him back
btw ho0w is dawk even gonna play in the eagle denver game
the looking into the camera and saying peace to the fans showed severe class...and love he has for this town is ridiculous
I don't get "salty as a mother" out of that.
He said what he should say in a situation like this.
and I agree as he always does
but not fired up salty, but more-so his overall demeanor about it..the rolling of the eyes to the side when he answered, looking glum and being like whatever man... thats the how the eagles play their same ol bullshtein
if i'm a denver fan, i'm wondering why this motherfarger can't stop talking about philadelphia
I can't watch the video from work, but does it have the beginning where he said he fulfilled his obligation to appear on the Eagles cruise?
If Im a Denver fan I could care less about Dawkins right now...Id be more concerned about my qb
Nothing about the cruise, Ed.
Watching that pisses me off again too...Thanks ANdy, Howie and Joe...you corksucking iceholes.
Quote from: BigEd76 on March 30, 2009, 11:33:27 AM
I can't watch the video from work, but does it have the beginning where he said he fulfilled his obligation to appear on the Eagles cruise?
they finished the interview saying how much of a stand up guy he is because he went on the cruise. Gotta love Wolfman last night saying that Dawkins was lying about the situation and its his fault he's not an Eagle anymore. Eskin should not be allowed to talk Birds at all, the guy is more of a mouthpiece than Spads who actually gets paid to be a homer.
im buying a dawkins broncos jersey
Quote from: SunMo on March 30, 2009, 11:32:31 AM
if i'm a denver fan, i'm wondering why this motherfarger can't stop talking about philadelphia
i know a denver fan that just said this exact same thing
If he really loved us he would have taken whatever pittance Banner was offering.
which is what Eskin said
which is what makes Eskin one the biggest media schmoes in Philly
so he should just take whatever the historically cheap ass Banner has to offer and roll with it....farg outta here
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 30, 2009, 12:03:29 PM
Quote from: SunMo on March 30, 2009, 11:32:31 AM
if i'm a denver fan, i'm wondering why this motherfarger can't stop talking about philadelphia
i know a denver fan that just said this exact same thing
Did they not recently go through the same exact situation with John Lynch?
He shouldn't have taken the Eagles offer.
The Eagles shouldn't have given him a better offer.
The only entity which enrages me here is the freespending Broncos' FO. If only they would have stayed the hell out of it, Dawkins would have signed for a more accurate market value in Philly, and you bitches would stop bitches.
farg Denver.
I can't escape the conclusion that the FO was being cheap in Dawkins case, and nothing else. If they really thought he lost a step and they didn't want him back they should have just let him go. If they thought he still could be of value they have tons of cap space and should have easily re-signed him. Regardless of how it turns out, the situation was bullshtein and handled ineptly.
Let's talk about this some more.
in another thread
I was completely unserious.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 30, 2009, 11:17:39 AMbtw how is dawk even gonna play in the eagle denver game
He won't; he'll be on the sideline with an injury.
Or on the sideline as a backup.
i hate this thread
Is it time for mom jokes yet?
Quote from: FastFreddie on March 30, 2009, 04:08:05 PM
He shouldn't have taken the Eagles offer.
The Eagles shouldn't have given him a better offer.
The only entity which enrages me here is the freespending Broncos' FO. If only they would have stayed the hell out of it, Dawkins would have signed for a more accurate market value in Philly, and you bitches would stop bitches.
farg Denver.
when the salary cap has gone up as much as it has and teams all over the league are 20 30 mil under it and with the threat of no cap in 2010 money is gonna flow (not that dawk even got crazy money)...the eagles just havent adjusted...they are treating the market the same even tho there is a shteinload more available to spend...just as they are treating dawk no different than sean considine....which has been a major problem since day one...the FO is just not in touch with reality and is stubborn as all hell
I'd have no problem at all with the Eagles not offering Dawkins more...provided that they were to actually use that free space to improve the team in some way. Haven't seen it.
banner himself said before free agency even started that eagles couldnt spend all their money if they tried
thats pretty interesting considering during free agency when speaking with Eskin they really didnt have as much as people thought
in fact he said they were only playing with about 20 million (if that) as the the remaining cash was going to player roll overs, bonuses and such---he makes me sick
eskin is a liar....they are currently 40 million under the cap
again joe banner himself said they couldnt possibly spend all their money even if they tried...it came out of the mans mouth...at that point i dont even know why they get people like eskin to try and spin it
Eskin wasnt spinning anything...this was from Banners mouth when Eskin was interviewing him 3 weeks ago
thats why I called his comments interesting
you must not listen to eskin...there isnt a show he does where he doesnt spin the salary cap numbers
I don't understand why simply because they have salary cap room, Dawkins has more value. Did he turn down a more lucrative offer from Dallas or Washington to play for Denver? No. He went for the best money, and he made the right decision. Why can't it be that both Dawkins and the Eagles made the right decision? Why villainize the FO for not signing an old player with diminishing value? It's just arguing for argument's sake and, frankly, ridiculous.
Get over it! He was great when he was here. He is now dead. Move the farg on!
hes not just another old player...his leadership alone is worth keeping him for...or the fact that he should never be seen in another jersey...they also dont have a player that you can definitvely say is better than dawkins this year
there is not one single solitary reason he should be in denver
it still would be retarded to let him go but they might have a leg to stand on if they didnt make him an offer to stay...by making any offer they admitted they wanted him back...so at that point pony up a couple million more bucks and make him an eagle for life...anything less than that exposes banner for what he is petty jealous stubborn cheap ect...ect...ect...
You are simply finding a reason to be angry about it. Go buy a Denver jersey, or shut the farg up.
you dont have to look very hard
If you like to whine, you sure don't.
the FO loves the "just move on people" they are the ones who don't hold anyone accountable for their terrible decisions. i mean, it's done right, just move on.
Quote from: SunMo on March 31, 2009, 11:33:56 AM
the FO loves the "just move on people" they are the ones who don't hold anyone accountable for their terrible decisions. i mean, it's done right, just move on.
EXACTLY
and its amazing how many minions go along with it
like people are going to stop being upset by arguably the greatest eagle ever leaving for no reason whatsoever LESS THAN 30 DAYS after it happened
I'm not one of those people when it comes to decisions that actually could improve the team.
Dawkins had a couple of bright spots last year but was mostly a liability. They can sign him back when they need a mascot.
saying it was a good move by the team is misguided but an opinion that can be respected...telling people who are upset with it to shut up or get over it is banneresque douchbaggery at its finest
When is the statute of limitations for you to get over it? If you're still whining about it once the season starts, will it still be "banneresque" to tell you to shut it? How about this time next year? How about when Dawkins is literally dead?
Quote from: FastFreddie on March 31, 2009, 12:45:25 PM
When is the statute of limitations for you to get over it?
there is none...some people will never get over it...some people like you dont care at all...it certainly isnt less than a month thats for sure...and it isnt up to you and joe banner to decide
FF is a Sheep,
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3017/3115949898_da60ebec30.jpg)
There isn't a single reason why the Eagles shouldn't have kept him, except that they're completely oblivious. There isn't a single reason why he should still be playing, except that Denver parked a dump truck full of money in front of his house. We should rehash this for another thirty pages.
The thought occurred to me that it's possible teams like the Eagles are saving money in preparation for a possible lockout in 2010. I'm not saying it would happen or not, just that it could be a mindset.
Pedal to the Metal, Gold Standard and such
I will not get over the Dawk thing because it was Brian Dawkins who they cornholed. They set precedent with Douglas and Trotter and to a lesser extent Taylor, Vincent and guys like that. But I though there would be no way they'd run Dawk's ass outta town and that is essentally what they did. Ran him out on the first thing smokin'.
Now Reid and Lurie talk about him like they love him and want to keep him all the while Banner and Roseman sit on mounds of cash and say they gave him a fair offer.
It's how football works. Joe farging Montana didn't retire as a 49er
Quote from: FastFreddie on March 31, 2009, 12:45:25 PM
When is the statute of limitations for you to get over it? If you're still whining about it once the season starts, will it still be "banneresque" to tell you to shut it? How about this time next year? How about when Dawkins is literally dead?
I'll never get over it, though crying in my Buddy Ryan-shaped pillow sometimes softens the blow. :'(
Tomahawk stole my post.
Joe Montana.
Brett Favre.
Randall Cunningham.
Joe Namath.
And I don't get how offering the man a contract was running him out of town.
offering him a POS take-it or leave-it contract was basically their way of saying get out, without really saying "get out"
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 31, 2009, 01:39:18 PM
I will not get over the Dawk thing because it was Brian Dawkins who they cornholed. They set precedent with Douglas and Trotter and to a lesser extent Taylor, Vincent and guys like that. But I though there would be no way they'd run Dawk's ass outta town and that is essentally what they did. Ran him out on the first thing smokin'.
Now Reid and Lurie talk about him like they love him and want to keep him all the while Banner and Roseman sit on mounds of cash and say they gave him a fair offer.
Yeah, but your perception of any given Eagle player is probably 30-40% better than how good they really are.
Quote from: Tomahawk on March 31, 2009, 01:44:19 PM
It's how football works. Joe farging Montana didn't retire as a 49er
No wai!
Favre
Emmitt Smith
Reggie White
All those guys actually won Super Bowls with the teams that decided to let someone else overpay for them in the twilight of their careers.
Quote from: SunMo on March 31, 2009, 01:48:29 PM
offering him a POS take-it or leave-it contract was basically their way of saying get out, without really saying "get out"
Exactly...it was a novelty contract. It was a "see fans, we offered him a deal! He found a better one though, so sorry. Now let's talk Quintin Demps!"
Quote from: Father Demon on March 31, 2009, 01:46:49 PM
Tomahawk stole my post.
Joe Montana.-Steve Young
Brett Favre.-Aaron Rogers
Randall Cunningham.-Whiny funhole, bad leader, cool hair
Joe Namath.- Fell apart physically
Dawkins- Quentin Demps or a one year deal on Sean Jones
And I don't get how offering the man a contract was running him out of town.
The difference was the situation, not to mention over 40million of cap room still available? I've seen no plan to improve this team in the offseason.
Quintin Demps has potential
quentin demps = steve young
Brett Favre and Aaron Rodgers both did nothing exceptional last year.
I expect the same from Dawkins and Demps.
He's left handed?
More importantly, Young is actually black.
So you guys really are going to keep talking about this and saying the same thing over and over. Super.
wow...hate on dawkins all you want but how anyone can with a straight face say they didnt run him out of town or compare the montana situation to the dawkins one is unreal
hes an incredible leader on a team that has lost a plethora of veterans coming off a pro bowl season with no real plan b behind him who didnt want a ton of money from a team that has more than they can spend
I think Joe Banner sent Atlas Van Lines to his house to deliver the contract proposal.
the worst part about this is that dawkins leaving has turned everyone here into mongoloids.
Quote from: Beermonkey on March 31, 2009, 01:45:29 PM
Quote from: FastFreddie on March 31, 2009, 12:45:25 PM
When is the statute of limitations for you to get over it? If you're still whining about it once the season starts, will it still be "banneresque" to tell you to shut it? How about this time next year? How about when Dawkins is literally dead?
I'll never get over it, though crying in my Buddy Ryan-shaped pillow sometimes softens the blow. :'(
love it
and till another player can fly head first on on a pile of players when they are down, then Ill be over it
I honestly think IGY cried over this one.
yeah, that's all he ever really did.
i do cry quite a bit
Quote from: phattymatty on March 31, 2009, 02:01:45 PM
the worst part about this is that dawkins leaving has turned everyone here into mongoloids.
haha...the funny thing is many of the people who used to worship him to the point of sickness are the ones now who cant understand why people are upset
The arrogance is what pisses me of the most, I think. Banner brags about how they can't possibly spend all the cash and they let him walk on a deal they could have easily matched. Then they have the balls to say how great of a deal it was for him and all that bullshtein.
Again, I don't understand the logic.
Scenario:
Say... you're a little thirsty.
IGY offers to urinate directly in your mouth for 10 seconds for $500.
You have $10,000 in your bank account.
How do you not pay him the $500?!?
Well, I don't dig on drinking piss. So you're saying that Dawk is piss and the Eagles don't like him?
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 31, 2009, 02:47:11 PM
Well, I don't dig on drinking piss. So you're saying that Dawk is piss and the Eagles don't like him?
all ff cares about is that the big business saved money...end of story...i totally see where hes coming from because hes always coming from that angle...i dont understand how so many others can justify what they did tho
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 31, 2009, 02:47:11 PM
Well, I don't dig on drinking piss. So you're saying that Dawk is piss and the Eagles don't like him?
Close. Maybe change the illustration...
Scenario:
Say... you're a little thirsty.
IGY offers you a large glass of water for $500. Most of the ice has melted, and it's probably nearly room temperature.
Meanwhile, in your right hand, you have a glass of water that is exactly at room temperature, but you may or may not have some ice in the freezer.
You have $10,000 in your bank account. Do you pay IGY?
Please stop you farging asses.
Ok, Phreak... what if it were rjs offering to pee in your mouth?
He is now dead to me. Bring in the next body. Who gives a shtein. We root for the farging shirts.
if you rooted for sean considine as much as you rooted for wes hopkins then you should be dead
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 31, 2009, 04:20:35 PM
if you rooted for sean considine as much as you rooted for wes hopkins then you should be dead
Huh?
I root for Mike Gibson just as hard as I root for Rashad Baker.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 31, 2009, 04:20:35 PM
if you rooted for sean considine as much as you rooted for wes hopkins then you should be dead
When he was wearing green, I absolutely rooted for Considine to succeed. It's iceholes like you who root for the Eagles to blow so they can fire Reid that are really retarded.
huh?...who said anything about rooting against players
you like every player equally...and give the losing teams score first...and you played right field in little league
No, you are wrong on all those stupid assumptions.
The fact is, we, as fans have absolute ZERO impact on team decisions. That is true in every sport, in every city. You can suck your thumb, gnash your teeth, cry and (in your case) suckle a penis, but the fact remains that the powers that be could give a shtein less what your worthless, under informed opinions are. None of us has any clue, whatsoever, about the goings on behind the scenes in a multi billion dollar business such as this. A lot goes into these decisions. They are not made willy nilly or on a whim. Everything is a value judgment. Without having ALL the facts available to you, you can not necessarily make an informed, reasoned statement about these BUSINESS decisions. So it's best to just do the ONE thing you can to help in the success of your team, support them 100%
could you just leave this board, we've met our quota of MA
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on March 31, 2009, 04:52:34 PM
could you just leave this board, we've met our quota of MA
MA?
Quote from: Vince on March 31, 2009, 04:50:47 PM
No, you are wrong on all those stupid assumptions.
The fact is, we, as fans have absolute ZERO impact on team decisions. That is true in every sport, in every city. You can suck your thumb, gnash your teeth, cry and (in your case) suckle a penis, but the fact remains that the powers that be could give a shtein less what your worthless, under informed opinions are. None of us has any clue, whatsoever, about the goings on behind the scenes in a multi billion dollar business such as this. A lot goes into these decisions. They are not made willy nilly or on a whim. Everything is a value judgment. Without having ALL the facts available to you, you can not necessarily make an informed, reasoned statement about these BUSINESS decisions. So it's best to just do the ONE thing you can to help in the success of your team, support them 100%
WOW
welcome joe
It's okay to now lock the thread as the definitive post has been made.
although it would always hurt to lose a long standing member of the team, i could tolerate it a lot more if the thrifty ways of the front office produced the occasional lombardi trophy. but their frugal spending and cold, "business-like" mentality with aging players hasn't done anything except get this team to the nfcc game 5x and the super bowl once. ownership is content with putting a slightly above average team on the field that will compete for the playoffs most years, and hopefully do what they did last year, which is make a run deep into the playoffs.
and if you're not putting a team on the field worth paying to see, then you had better put some players on the field that people will pay to watch. hell, the revenue this team will lose in dawkins jerseys alone is more money than i'll see in a lifetime. do they really think that quinton demps jerseys are going to fly off the shelves? ha!
a lot of players are beloved by a fan base but very few are worshipped. dawkins was one of those few.
farg the front office.
Well I wonder what Dawkins is thinking right now. Denver has agreed to trade Cutler and I doubt they get anything but high draft picks in return. No establish QB is going to get traded, OMG MAYBE MCNABB FOR CUTLER! aside.
At least with Cutler and a improved D they had a chance to win the division.
i dont know how the eagles dont take a big time serious run at cutler...youd have what is an already very good and what could be a franchise qb for the next decade
So, in one breath, it's unthinkable that they wouldn't re-sign one of the team's all-time great players, just because he happens to be near the end of his career.
In another breath, you want them to replace McNabb, a great QB with at least 4-5 years left, with a guy who is certainly younger, but is also more prone to turnovers, has not proven to be any better under pressure, and is a white kid with diabetes?
Yeah, that makes sense, buddy. Lots of sense.
not to mention maybe the only bigger bitch than mcnabb in the league.
Not to mention the fact that he doesn't have a chin. His face just sort of sags into his neck. How is that even possible?
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 01, 2009, 08:28:29 AM
So, in one breath, it's unthinkable that they wouldn't re-sign one of the team's all-time great players, just because he happens to be near the end of his career.
In another breath, you want them to replace McNabb, a great QB with at least 4-5 years left, with a guy who is certainly younger, but is also more prone to turnovers, has not proven to be any better under pressure, and is a white kid with diabetes?
Yeah, that makes sense, buddy. Lots of sense.
you want to replace dawkins with laron landry id wouldnt have as much a problem letting him go
plus as an overall philadelphia eagle dawkins >>>>>>>>>>>>>> mcnabb...its almost sickening you would compare them...dawkins is on the shortlist of quintessential eagles...mcnabb isnt even liked as much as jaws
and can you link me where mcnabb has four or five years left...and five years of what?
Quote from: phattymatty on April 01, 2009, 08:32:27 AM
not to mention maybe the only bigger bitch than mcnabb in the league.
because he hates mcdaniel?...he worshipped shanahan and was nothing but a soldier for him...i mean i suppose he could turn out to be a big baby...but before this 32 year old hard rock belichek wannabe came into town cutler was fine...without knowing how mcdaniel treated him or what he said to him in meetings im not ready to proclaim cutler a bitch...mcnabb has a decade long track record of douchebaggery
cutler was a whiney punk before the broncos axed shanny.
no on cutler.
what did he do?
he whined. duh. i thought i had established that already.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on April 01, 2009, 10:09:47 AMhe whined. duh. i thought i had established that already.
cue five pages of
vigy baiting an argument about whether Cutler is a bitch or a fleshpop hard winner who isn't afraid to antagonize the opposition.
i guess im alone on this one...but i need more than that before i give up on a 25 year old potential franchise qb
espn had this number this morning - only four players in the league have gone for 40 td and 8,000 yard in the last two years and all of them are 30 or older
he does throw too many picks but qb guru andy reid will fix that problem
GET MOTHERfargING CUTLER!
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 01, 2009, 10:15:12 AM
i guess im alone on this one...but i need more than that before i give up on a 25 year old potential franchise qb
espn had this number this morning - only four players in the league have gone for 40 td and 8,000 yard in the last two years and all of them are 30 or older
he does throw too many picks but qb guru andy reid will fix that problem
GET MOTHERfargING CUTLER!
By calling 40+ pass plays per game? I doubt that's the tonic to cure turnover woes
hes not a turnover machine or anything...and hes only 25...plenty of room to improve from an already excellent foundation...its really a no brainer....unless you love kevin cobb
I just want to punch Cutler in his sagging chicken neck.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 01, 2009, 10:35:25 AM
hes not a turnover machine or anything...and hes only 25...plenty of room to improve from an already excellent foundation...its really a no brainer....unless you love kevin cobb
I dont know if you are talking to us or the front office here, but I can assure you the last part of your comment is an unequivocal yes by the the front office
Quote from: rjs246 on April 01, 2009, 10:39:56 AM
I just want to punch Cutler in his sagging chicken neck.
his gizzard?
Quote from: reese125 on April 01, 2009, 10:42:00 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 01, 2009, 10:35:25 AM
hes not a turnover machine or anything...and hes only 25...plenty of room to improve from an already excellent foundation...its really a no brainer....unless you love kevin cobb
I dont know if you are talking to us or the front office here, but I can assure you the last part of your comment is an unequivocal yes by the the front office
i dont have much hope....but how often if ever does a really promising skill ladened 25 year old qb come available...and at the same time as the eagles are loaded with chips to play...the prospect of it regardless of how unlikely it is is very exciting
I think you're positioning yourself to want something you know the FO won't do so you can continue to rail against them for a couple years when Cutler has a good season.
(http://proathletesonly.com/news/wp-content/uploads/jaycutler.jpg)
Let the record show that I tried to move this to the correct thread. That said, it's probably better than we stop talking about Dawkins anyway.
(http://a.espncdn.com/i/headshots/nfl/players/65/9597.jpg)
That reminds me, FastFreddie, I can't believe the Eagles just let Dawkins walk
Quote from: Tomahawk on April 01, 2009, 11:03:30 AM
That reminds me, FastFreddie, I can't believe the Eagles just let Dawkins walk
They what?!? When the farg did this happen?
Quote from: Father Demon on April 01, 2009, 10:56:42 AM
I think you're positioning yourself to want something you know the FO won't do so you can continue to rail against them for a couple years when Cutler has a good season.
we know they wont but its for arguments sake--something CF hates to do
that said-- I put my hand up in the Cutler thread weeks back
While I say that McNabb is the safe pick because we know what he brings to the table as far as turnovers, wins and such--do you really in your heart of hearts think he can bring you a championship after all these years? If you do than fine, but I would say majority in here say no just by past posts alone and what has happened in the past 10 years
Can you say the same about Cutler--absolutely not. Id take him with the quickness to secure my franchise chinless or not
its more about the next ten years than it is this year...but even right now its at best a draw and i think id currently take cutler over mcnabb
Quote from: Tomahawk on April 01, 2009, 10:46:24 AM
Quote from: rjs246 on April 01, 2009, 10:39:56 AM
I just want to punch Cutler in his sagging chicken neck.
his gizzard?
Russel likes the cut of his giblets.
Yes, McNabb could, provided....
It never has been about the talent of McNabb, it's been about the talent of Thrash, GLew, McMullin, and Freddy. It's been about the pass-run ratio. It's been about piss poor clock management.
What makes you think Cutler would be anymore successful than McNabb given the "strategy" of the FO and coaching system that has been in place for 10 years, and will stay in place until changes are made at that level rather than the quarterback level?
Reese and IGY agree on something. April Fool's Day indeed.
Quote from: Father Demon on April 01, 2009, 11:24:48 AM
What makes you think Cutler would be anymore successful than McNabb given the "strategy" of the FO and coaching system that has been in place for 10 years, and will stay in place until changes are made at that level rather than the quarterback level?
for one we dont know if cutler pukes in big games...get cutler to five nfc championship games and ill take my chances that he wins a title....hes also a more accurate qb that fits andys offense better than donovan...hes also way younger not near his prime yet and is still arguably as good or better than mcnabb right now
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 01, 2009, 11:40:53 AM
for one we dont know if cutler pukes in big games
Because he can't get to them.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 01, 2009, 11:40:53 AM
get cutler to five nfc championship games and ill take my chances that he wins a title
Which makes him nearly as good as McNabb in that area, if we take into account that Cutler would have to be carried to them in the first place.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 01, 2009, 11:40:53 AM
hes also a more accurate qb that fits andys offense better than donovan
His interceptions say no.
Could the Eagles keep McNabb as a fullback?
Remember how great it worked out when they tried to relegate Cunningham to WR?
Quote from: General_Failure on April 01, 2009, 11:47:52 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 01, 2009, 11:40:53 AM
for one we dont know if cutler pukes in big games
Because he can't get to them.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 01, 2009, 11:40:53 AM
hes also a more accurate qb that fits andys offense better than donovan
His interceptions say no.
lol hes played three years....theres a lot more that goes into being accurate than interceptions...the willingness to take chances...youth ect...id rather have a higher completion % with more interceptions than the other way around
but i see youre just arguing to argue...to be fine with dawkins (who had a better year at safety than mcnabb did at qb) being replaced by i dont know who but not wanting jay cutler just shows the argumentative nature of some
But wait, what about this scenario:
FF offers to piss on your face for free while Brian Dawkins tapdances to showtunes in the corner and you have $10,000 in your pants.
What about that?
Quote from: rjs246 on April 01, 2009, 10:58:46 AM
(http://proathletesonly.com/news/wp-content/uploads/jaycutler.jpg)
high fiving and throwing at the same time? i'm impressed now. GET CUTLER!!
I'm more impressed with his 5 inch neckchin. It's mesmerizing.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 01, 2009, 11:40:53 AM
Quote from: Father Demon on April 01, 2009, 11:24:48 AM
What makes you think Cutler would be anymore successful than McNabb given the "strategy" of the FO and coaching system that has been in place for 10 years, and will stay in place until changes are made at that level rather than the quarterback level?
for one we dont know if cutler pukes in big games
that's because he has yet to lead his team to a big game. biggest game he played in so far was the choke job against san diego last year to close out the season.
Quote from: rjs246 on April 01, 2009, 12:16:32 PM
I'm more impressed with his 5 inch neckchin. It's mesmerizing.
fill in the blank
cutler's gizzard:t.o's abs::rjs:_____________
beanbag
Quote from: Sgt PSN on April 01, 2009, 12:17:23 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 01, 2009, 11:40:53 AM
Quote from: Father Demon on April 01, 2009, 11:24:48 AM
What makes you think Cutler would be anymore successful than McNabb given the "strategy" of the FO and coaching system that has been in place for 10 years, and will stay in place until changes are made at that level rather than the quarterback level?
for one we dont know if cutler pukes in big games
that's because he has yet to lead his team to a big game. biggest game he played in so far was the choke job against san diego last year to close out the season.
so wait--a 25 year old qb with no run game choked in a regular season game and now hes not worthy to run an Eagles offense?
if Im not mistaken didnt a couple of other qb's choke in a some big games only to win a SB? That point up there is irrelevant to what can be expected of Jay Cutler for years to come..cmon Sarge
I think its phenomenal that everyone here cant wait for Kolb
saying cutler isnt as good as mcnabb right now because of one random game is no different than saying brad johnson is a better qb than mcnabb because he won a superbowl
I think that a solid argument can be made to bring in Cutler and make him the QB of the future.
I think that doing that to McNabb is much worse than anything they did to Dawkins, who has also come up both big and small in his share of big games.
Quote from: reese125 on April 01, 2009, 12:30:02 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on April 01, 2009, 12:17:23 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 01, 2009, 11:40:53 AM
Quote from: Father Demon on April 01, 2009, 11:24:48 AM
What makes you think Cutler would be anymore successful than McNabb given the "strategy" of the FO and coaching system that has been in place for 10 years, and will stay in place until changes are made at that level rather than the quarterback level?
for one we dont know if cutler pukes in big games
that's because he has yet to lead his team to a big game. biggest game he played in so far was the choke job against san diego last year to close out the season.
so wait--a 25 year old qb with no run game choked in a regular season game and now hes not worthy to run an Eagles offense?
if Im not mistaken didnt a couple of other qb's choke in a some big games only to win a SB? That point up there is irrelevant to what can be expected of Jay Cutler for years to come..cmon Sarge
I think its phenomenal that everyone here cant wait for Kolb
so exacly how would cutler succeed here with no run game and a less talented recieving corps?
and it's not that i'm excited about kolb. farg him, i think he's junk too. but cutler is not the answer and definitely isn't the future. he can throw a ball 80 yards. wow, so could kyle boller.
naaaah--he can just throw for over 4500 yards--so could Kyle Boller
how can you have seen cutler and his potential the last three years and even bring up the name kyle boller
cutler has improved his completion % each year in the league to where he is now well into the 60's...boller couldnt hit 50 in COLLEGE...hell mcnabb has only hit 60 a couple times in his career...cutler is more than just a deep thrower
i just dont like his overall make up as a qb. i don't see that overall potential that you're talking about. he's soft in the head, sensitive, and hasn't accomplished shtein. he wouldn't even overtake bubby brister as the best #6 in eagles history. not to mention that thanks to rusty, i'm starting to really hate his chin flap too. can you imagine watching that thing sway back and forth every time he's running around? eww.
id take carrott top as my qb after having to put up with mcnabbs goofy ass for the last decade
didn't carrot top beat up todd bridges? it's like an unispiring version of rocky vs apollo.
Rocky lost.
rocky vs clubber lang?
your career is obviously over when you fight carrot top...pretty sure when you lose to him so should your life
cutler vs carrot top. winner is the next eagles starting qb.
From what I recall, Carrot Top bulked up in his later years.
carrott top cock deez.....what!?!
he was BALCO's lab rat.
I had a french dip sandwich for lunch that was truly excellent. Shaved prime rib, aged provolone and a hard roll straight from Rando's bakery in A.C.
very clever. i get it.
no cutler.
Stunningly there were few images for Willis. But I'm sure he's training for a rematch. But as much as I don't care about Willis or Carrot Top, I care about the Get Cutler discussion less. Somehow.
(http://www.owczarek.net/images/ctop2.jpg)
wow, steroids are serious shtein
Quote from: Diomedes on April 01, 2009, 02:52:44 PM
wow, steroids are serious shtein
Apparently nipple bleaching is too.
no way that dude has enough pigment in his skin to make his nipples any shade darker than pixie pink
Quote from: Beermonkey on April 01, 2009, 03:10:49 PM
Quote from: Diomedes on April 01, 2009, 02:52:44 PM
wow, steroids are serious shtein
Apparently nipple bleaching is too.
i overheard one of my ladyfriend's ladyfriends tell her the other day that she just had her anus bleached. i have to see this.
You've seen it daily for years if you look at even half the porn I do.
Guys do it now, too?
Zing.
Cutler is not a whiny biatch?
I would not have a problem with it simply because at this point while I do not think he is as good as McNabb, he is 25 and could lead the team to many more playoff losses than McNabb could at this point.
McNabb with Marshall and Royal? And a coach who might even try running the ball? In the AFC West?
If they do get Cutler I hope to god they surround him with better talent.
dunno if this was ever posted.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKHU_TjYG2w (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKHU_TjYG2w)
it just had to sit a while.
Dawk had 2 picks yesterday, closing in on the number of catches Curtis has on the year.
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Oh damn.
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:bow
This is different from a paparazzi pic of some pop star, how?
Fewer tits? Pretty sure I see tits.
Man porn?
Whatever it is, it's weird.
Nobody was chasing him down the road taking a million pictures, that's probably the biggest difference.
Quote from: Diomedes on May 26, 2016, 09:27:52 PM
This is different from a paparazzi pic of some pop star, how?
Fewer tits? Pretty sure I see tits.
Man porn?
Whatever it is, it's weird.
never met romey have you
Yes, posting a photo of an ex-Eagle great visiting practice is definitely weird.
Huzzah.
nothing wrong with it....I just know how much you love that man
He's definitely my dreamboat.
I'd have his man-babies. And they'd be beautiful.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on May 29, 2016, 07:15:39 PM
I'd have his man-babies. And they'd be beautiful.
sassydawks ?
Reports are that Dawkins was selected for the HOF.
(https://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2018/2/3/16968958/brian-dawkins-pro-football-hall-of-fame-eagles-safety-philadelphia-class-of-2018-nfl-results-clemson)
It's a sign! :evil
CANTON
Eagles legends Dawkins, Owens, and Urlakker all going in the Hall of Fame the same year the Eagles go to the Super Bowl? What a time to be alive!
well they have no shot of winning now...things cant be this perfect
How else are we supposed to usher in the End Times?
Dawkins deserves it, he was one hell of a player.
How do you guys feel about TO making it? He could be a PITA but was a damn fine player and I think he earned it.
Quote from: EJ72 on February 03, 2018, 07:05:06 PM
Dawkins deserves it, he was one hell of a player.
How do you guys feel about TO making it? He could be a PITA but was a damn fine player and I think he earned it.
Flat-out deserves to be in. And I think more Eagles fans place more blame on McNabb/Reid for the blowup than TO at this point.
farg yeah
Quote from: EJ72 on February 03, 2018, 07:05:06 PM
Dawkins deserves it, he was one hell of a player.
How do you guys feel about TO making it? He could be a PITA but was a damn fine player and I think he earned it.
TO 100% belongs in the HOF.
It isn't the nice guy's club, there's plenty of jerks in there already.
ol' murderin' ray gonna have himself a weekend
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You could teach a psychology class using the five guys who made it in this year.
I love it.
Quote from: MDS on February 03, 2018, 06:58:36 PM
well they have no shot of winning now...things cant be this perfect
False
Destiny gonna destine
Quote from: General_Failure on February 03, 2018, 07:18:44 PM
It isn't the nice guy's club, there's plenty of jerks in there already.
True, that could be said about a lot of players on the field. Charles Haley comes to mind, so does Chuck Bednarik. I wasn't old enough to remember his hit on Frank Gifford but it's pretty much legendary.
Also Ray Lewis helped murder a guy.