Michael Lombardi of SI.com and an ex-NFL personnel guy;
QuoteGive some Brotherly Love to Donovan
Donovan McNabb is great player. Actually, I think that needs to be written in a little stronger tone ... Donovan McNabb is a Hall of Fame player. I live near the city of Brotherly Love, and have spent most of my childhood here, so therefore I have been lumped into a category called a "Philadelphia Sports Fan." There is not a specific definition of a "Philadelphia Sports Fan" but the general consensus would have them as being very passionate, very knowledgeable, very hard core and not afraid to criticize their favorite star player. (Just ask Allen Iverson.) We all know the Philly fans are coarse and even booed Santa Claus, but they do passionately love their Birds. But for some reason they have a very hard time showing love and admiration to their "star." I cannot walk down the hall in my office complex or go to my son's high school game with having someone come up to me and say, "We would have won but McNabb is holding us back." Holding you back? He is your whole team, he makes it go -- get a freaking clue.
It is at this point where I would like to disassociate myself from being a Philadelphia Sports Fan and hope I can explain to everyone that in Philadelphia they don't know how lucky they are to have McNabb quarterbacking their team. My football career has been spoiled being around some of the game's greats from Joe Montana to Rich Gannon. But I also know what my football life is like without a great player at the position. The NFL is a quarterback league and life is just miserable and frustrating when you get up early each morning and head into work knowing you DON'T have a quarterback. Ask the Chiefs, the Vikings and the Jets before Brett Favre. Consider yourself very lucky, Philadelphia.
Monday night McNabb showed the football world he is one of the top players in the game, not just at quarterback, but the whole league. Now, this is not to say Tony Romo was not as impressive, but in Dallas Romo gets love (he also has Jessica) and is never under the constant microscope that seems to follow McNabb in Philadelphia. McNabb was accurate throwing the ball, strong in the pocket, very difficult to tackle and made all the tough throws as he demonstrated poise, confidence and leadership. He has played two games without his two best receivers and has not thrown an interception.
It was crystal clear on Monday night that McNabb is tremendous. The other evident observation to me was that McNabb makes all the others around him better. And isn't that what great players do? McNabb is the one who makes the Eagles offense go, not the one who holds it back. Everyone complains that there is not a No. 1 wideout on the Eagles, but DeSean Jackson looked impressive, if you ignore is premature celebration. Brian Westbrook is very talented and very productive, but he needs someone who can throw him the ball allowing him to make plays in the passing game. If you think the back can make the team, you might want to check in with LaDainian Tomlinson and ask him what life was like as a Charger before Drew Brees started to play well. McNabb needs one more touchdown pass to surpass Ron Jaworski (175) for the most touchdown passes in franchise history and he has 114 touchdowns passes in the red zone with only seven interceptions in his entire career. McNabb is 30-20 in the NFC East and has an impressive 85 QB rating in those 50 games.
Current backup Kevin Kolb may at some point in his NFL career provide this kind of production in the regular season, but it will take him some time. One of the golden rules I followed in my NFL career was that teams always over-evaluate their backups when the current starter is a great player. And I hope McNabb plays for a long time, but life without him won't be as good as life with him. Philadelphia needs to learn how to really show him love.
A thread for McNabb. They need to re-sign him and keep his ass here.
Stop it. Trent Dilfer won a superbowl. McNabb is a good QB and perfectly capable of winning a Superbowl, but let's not jerk each other off over him.
McNabb > Kolb, so he should still be the team's QB after this season, but shtein, my little sister would have played better on the last two drives of this week's game.
Quote from: rjs246 on September 21, 2008, 01:17:08 AM
Stop it. Trent Dilfer won a superbowl. McNabb is a good QB and perfectly capable of winning a Superbowl, but let's not jerk each other off over him.
McNabb > Kolb, so he should still be the team's QB after this season, but shtein, my little sister would have played better on the last two drives of this week's game.
If the Eagles defense played like that Ravens defense, and Reid called running plays for Westbrook like the Ravens had, they'd have four rings by now. There's plenty of suck, and plenty of places to place the blame.
Agreed 1000%.
My only point is that McNabb has been in a position to win big games on his own, in spite of Andy Reid, and has not done it. So while he is a good QB, the McNabb-semenators need to tuck it away and realize that a little bit more cool under pressure and a little less talent would have resulted in a Lombardi by now.
And also, fire Andy Reid.
Let 'em all go to hell, except cave 17.
Which is currently inhabited by Juan Castillo.
Quote from: rjs246 on September 21, 2008, 01:34:16 AM
Agreed 1000%.
My only point is that McNabb has been in a position to win big games on his own, in spite of Andy Reid, and has not done it. So while he is a good QB, the McNabb-semenators need to tuck it away and realize that a little bit more cool under pressure and a little less talent would have resulted in a Lombardi by now.
And also, fire Andy Reid.
Or they could be stuck with garbage at the QB position.
The Eagles have a stud QB and people want him run out the door.
maybe its the QB position..you get all the blame when you lose and all the credit you win...
cept for mcnabb i don't think he gets the credit when they win. the same ppl who want to run him out of town when they lose, usually try to explain away a victory saying they won in spite of mcnabb.
He's no Randall Cunningham, that's for sure.
He's an elite QB, but he's one of those guys who really needs a Super Bowl win for HoF consideration. Having the lowest interception percentage in history is a nice feather in his cap, but critics can always point out that it's hard to intercept balls pegged into the ground ten feet in front of the receiver. I think there are too many examples of McNabb choking in important games for him to get past the HoF committee.
That being said, I'm glad he's an Eagle, and once he is gone it will probably be several decades before the Eagles have another QB of his caliber.
Rhonde Barber
As mentioned in the Dallas thread, I don't think he chokes worse than other QBs. I think he collapses after making a mistake, particularly in big games.
Oh, and Andy Reid is little better than Marion Campbell, and needs to go quickly.
QuoteIt was crystal clear on Monday night that McNabb is tremendous. The other evident observation to me was that McNabb makes all the others around him better
Yes, until the fourth quarter when he couldn't execute the most basic play a qb has to make, the handoff.
Yeah, he makes other players look so much better, that Bwest looked like Walte Payton on that handoff, didn't he??
GODDAMNITT!! WHY AM I HAVING TO RELIVE THIS CRAP AGAIN!?!?!?!?!?
Farg it! McNabb is a great qb, but until he proves he can do it in the clutch, like Montana, Unitas, Aikman, Simms, Elway, or any other qb who has won the big one, he'll just be the quarterback who puked in the Superbowl because he couldn't handle the pressure.
It's interesting how you mention John Elway because no quarterback compares to Elway (especially in his early years) more than McNabb.
Elway had to deal with Dan Reeves bumbling all those years before Pat Bowlen finally got smart, replaced him, and brought in Mike Shanahan. If the Eagles fail again this season, I think Lurie seriously has to consider parting ways with Reid.
I'm not trying to run the guy out of town. He's an excellent QB. But don't give me this shtein about him being elite. He has elite talent but he fails every sphincter check that comes his way. I'm happy he's an Eagle and I still have faith, sort of, that he'll lead this team to a championship, but his track record in big games is awful and that doesn't say 'Hall of Fame' to me.
Sphincter check what?
As long as Andy Reid is the head coach, this team will never win a Super Bowl. They could have Montana at QB, Jim Brown at RB, Jerry Rice, Steve Largent at WR, all in their primes, and Reid would piss it away.
It's taken a while, but I have no faith in Andy Reid. And, unfortunately, no faith in the Eagles to sack him and get a new coach any time soon.
i just pooped a cake
Cakefarts?
indubitably
Quote from: Rome on September 21, 2008, 09:41:09 AM
It's interesting how you mention John Elway because no quarterback compares to Elway (especially in his early years) more than McNabb.
Elway had to deal with Dan Reeves bumbling all those years before Pat Bowlen finally got smart, replaced him, and brought in Mike Shanahan. If the Eagles fail again this season, I think Lurie seriously has to consider parting ways with Reid.
Elway was in 5 Superbowls, winning 2 back to back. He had 47 game-winning or game-tying drives in the fourth quarter. He is the the only player ever to have 50,000+ career passing yards and 3,000+ career rushing yards, an NFL record. He had 7 consecutive seasons with 3000+ passing yards and 200+ rushing yards, an NFL Record. He was MVP in '87'. He was MVP in Super Bowl XXXIII.
McNabb can't compare to Elway, no way shape or form.
I was comparing their first 10 years, doode. And yes, their career paths are very similar.
Let's hope your right, and he ends up comparing to him at the end of his career, which aint' too far away.
Your = your. You're = you are.
Sorry. Couldn't resist.
:-D
Yeah, I keep doing that crap. English was never my strongest subject.
Shore wasn't...
Quote from: EagleFeva on September 21, 2008, 12:32:51 PM
Shore wasn't...
:-D
Bad thing is, as much crap as I hear about it around here, I keep doing it. That is
not a good sign.
John Elway went to Stanferd.
24/35, 196 yds., 1 td., 1 int. Not too shabby, it was halfway through the second quarter before he had an incompletion. I think he was 14 for 14 before that.
No dumbass screwups. A hard fought win in a hard hitting game.
Quote from: Rome on September 21, 2008, 12:46:13 PM
John Elway went to Stanferd.
Big deal. McNabb went to Saracuse.
QuoteI made a comment after the game [Sunday] that's worth repeating - I'm embarrassed. I'm embarrassed with the way we played the past two weeks. I believe that we lost to teams we should have beaten. Not because I think they are not good - they are. But I still believe we are better; we just didn't show it.
I'm embarrassed with the way I played. I didn't do enough to win the game for my team. I take that to heart. I want the ball in my hand when the game is on the line and, if I have it, I have to make a play. I'll take that responsibility. All three of our losses were within a score so one play could have made a difference - a fumble, an interception, calling an audible, not calling an audible.
I am a proud person and I work hard to prepare to win each and every week. Certainly there have been times where we have been beaten. Take nothing away from other teams who also prepare hard and have a high-skill level. You can't win every week. But losing in the fashion that we have just doesn't sit well with me.
I've made mistakes and I've owned up to them. I'm sure that some of my teammates and coaches might feel that they also could have done better. But a play here and a play there is costing us precious division and conference games that can bite us down the stretch. We didn't start playing well last year until it was too late. It's not too late to turn it around now. But to do so, we have to be embarrassed enough as a team to do something about it.
I'm better than this and I'll prove it. I know my team is too. Now we have to prove it.
I like what he says, but saying and doing it are two different things when you have a coach like Reid.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 07, 2008, 08:33:06 PM
QuoteI made a comment after the game [Sunday] that's worth repeating - I'm embarrassed. I'm embarrassed with the way we played the past two weeks. I believe that we lost to teams we should have beaten. Not because I think they are not good - they are. But I still believe we are better; we just didn't show it.
I'm embarrassed with the way I played. I didn't do enough to win the game for my team. I take that to heart. I want the ball in my hand when the game is on the line and, if I have it, I have to make a play. I'll take that responsibility. All three of our losses were within a score so one play could have made a difference - a fumble, an interception, calling an audible, not calling an audible.
I am a proud person and I work hard to prepare to win each and every week. Certainly there have been times where we have been beaten. Take nothing away from other teams who also prepare hard and have a high-skill level. You can't win every week. But losing in the fashion that we have just doesn't sit well with me.
I've made mistakes and I've owned up to them. I'm sure that some of my teammates and coaches might feel that they also could have done better. But a play here and a play there is costing us precious division and conference games that can bite us down the stretch. We didn't start playing well last year until it was too late. It's not too late to turn it around now. But to do so, we have to be embarrassed enough as a team to do something about it.
I'm better than this and I'll prove it. I know my team is too. Now we have to prove it.
Talk is cheap. Running the same play 5 times (is that the right count?) from the 1 in two successive weeks means talk is cheap. farging call the audible, rather than saying calling it could be the difference.
In fairness, he has to have time to audible out too. If he's got 4 seconds, thats no time to check-check.
5 times.
They ran the exact same play?
RB straight forward - close enough for me.
Audible a play action or maybe even a pass... once.
Meh... I'm bitter. PG told me so.
did donovan realize he could have called a timeout there...he started to when he thought the clock was going down...why didnt he do it again when he realized the play was farged
Les Bowen (http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/20081007_Les_Bowen__Further_review__The_bottom_line__Time_for_McNabb_to_lead_troops.html)
QuoteThat ridiculous kerfluffle down at the taterskins' 2 Sunday just can't happen. You saw the whole thing, but here it is again: Third-and-1 from the 2, McNabb breaks the huddle and sees the play clock about to run out. He signals for a timeout, but Westbrook immediately grabs him and points back to the play clock, which has reset. McNabb returns to calling signals. He notices that tight end L.J. Smith is on the left, instead of the right. This isn't ideal, for a run designed to the right.
So McNabb tries to check out to a left-side run. Either he calls the audible incorrectly, or some of the players just don't hear him. Westbrook is swarmed by taterskins as soon as he gets the ball. He loses 3 yards and the Birds settle for a field goal.
McNabb - whose postgame analysis of the play was absolute unintelligible gibberish - needed to call the timeout there, when he saw the misalignment. Or he needed to grab Smith and send him over to the proper spot. Or maybe, before all that, he needed to make it clear to Reid that sore chest or no, he was ready and willing to run a quarterback sneak to pick up the first down
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 08, 2008, 12:14:48 AM
In fairness, he has to have time to audible out too. If he's got 4 seconds, thats no time to check-check.
Dude, do your excuses ever stop? It was a dumb play from a guy that should have known better.
Quote from: FastFreddie on October 08, 2008, 08:06:45 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 08, 2008, 12:14:48 AM
In fairness, he has to have time to audible out too. If he's got 4 seconds, thats no time to check-check.
Dude, do your excuses ever stop? It was a dumb play from a guy that should have known better.
I dont know if he had time, but I do know that he rarely has time to audible.
Is that excuse? No, rather an indictment on whoever is calling the plays.
So farg yourself.
Quote from: FastFreddie on October 08, 2008, 08:06:45 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 08, 2008, 12:14:48 AM
In fairness, he has to have time to audible out too. If he's got 4 seconds, thats no time to check-check.
Dude, do your excuses ever stop? It was a dumb play from a guy that should have known better.
You talking about McNabb, LJ or the "surprised" Klecko?
McNabb. That whole play was a Charlie Foxtrot, and it's primarily his fault.
I don't think the primary fault can be laid on McNabb, that has to be the dumbass who has been playing in this offense since forever and can't even line up in his designated spot. LJ screwed the play from the get go.
But.........LJ is great, what I said last year about the Giants backup Boss being better was pure craziness.
Quote from: shorebird on October 08, 2008, 10:20:52 AM
I don't think the primary fault can be laid on McNabb, that has to be the dumbass who has been playing in this offense since forever and can't even line up in his designated spot. LJ screwed the play from the get go.
What kind of idiot QB tells the center to go ahead and snap the ball on 3rd and 1 from the 2 (down 9 points in the 4th quarter at home against a divisional opponent), when the team is not aligned properly and clearly doesn't know what's going on? I expect some idiocy from football players, like LJ in this case. But McNabb has to realize the importance of the situation and call timeout.
Point taken, McNabb is running the offense, and yeah, he should've called timeout.
they discussed this on DNL. ike and hugh (fwiw) said he should have called a timeout, reid or mcnabb. runyan said a timeout should have been called bc you got points on the board at stake, but also said if the play was blocked right (LJ) westbrook "walks into the endzone."
So LJ screwed up twice in on play?
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It was a close game with a down to the wire call and several Eagle players were in a position to screw things up. What is so surprising or discussion worthy that they actually all screwed the pooch collectively anyway.
Quote from: shorebird on October 08, 2008, 11:24:05 AM
So LJ screwed up twice in on play?
yeah, i posted this in the skins thread but looks like it got a little lost...
he got surprised (this was on DNL today w/runyan) bc LJ farging smith lined up on the wrong side, dmac had to audible to accommodate LJ, then when the play was snapped, LJ blocked the wrong guy (he blocked in) and the guy klecko blocked was supposed to be blocked by LJ and Tra didn't really block anyone (bc LJ farged up and took his guy)
the play was supposed to attack the weak d set up on the right, but since lj was on the left 5 switched it to that side, they said it still could have worked but lj farged up again on the blocking scheme.
QuoteDonovan McNabb sent rookie wide receiver DeSean Jackson a loud and clear message Sunday. Jackson, who caught 22 passes in the Eagles' first four games, had one reception for 8 yards against the taterskins. He ran a sloppy slant route in the second quarter that resulted in a near-interception by Carlos Rogers and never saw the ball again. Jackson was on the field for 18 of the Eagles' next 24 snaps. McNabb threw 16 more passes in the game. None were in Jackson's direction.
Why does this not surprise me in the least?
Teach him a lesson, Donovan! It doesn't matter that he's the best player on the field!
Bishmade idiot.
mcnabb cares way more about not throwing interceptions than he does making plays....its why for a guy who isnt a great thrower he has one of the all time best pass to interception ratios
that is incredibly accurate load your gun and kill yourself
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 08, 2008, 05:15:07 PM
mcnabb cares way more about not throwing interceptions than he does making plays....its why for a guy who isnt a great thrower he has one of the all time best pass to interception ratios
Where do you come up with this shtein?
You hear things, Jay, and dismiss them. Then you hear more and start to wonder. Owens always said that McNabb was a jealous little bitch whenever someone else got attention, and lo and behold the rookie was garnering attention like crazy. Is it really that far of a stretch to imagine he was putting Jackson in his place despite the fact that the rest of the receivers on the team are little more than hot garbage?
I'm not much for conspiracies but this sort of thing happens way too often with McNabb. And now he's whining like a fag on his "blog" about the Eagles being better than their opponents and he's embarrassed by how his team is playing? Oh, really? And how about you, Don? How you feeling about ignoring your most effective weapon for most of the second half? Is that really the best way to win a football game especially with Westbrook being dinged up?
I've had it with Reid more than anything but if McNabb is truly acting as petty and vindictive as that passage made him out to be, then he should be on the first bus the farg out of town. And sooner rather than later.
But hey, at least he makes about 10MM next year. YAY!
Quote from: Rome on October 08, 2008, 06:36:51 PM
You hear things, Jay, and dismiss them. Then you hear more and start to wonder. Owens always said that McNabb was a jealous little bitch whenever someone else got attention, and lo and behold the rookie was garnering attention like crazy. Is it really that far of a stretch to imagine he was putting Jackson in his place despite the fact that the rest of the receivers on the team are little more than hot garbage?
I'm not much for conspiracies but this sort of thing happens way too often with McNabb. And now he's whining like a fag on his "blog" about the Eagles being better than their opponents and he's embarrassed by how his team is playing? Oh, really? And how about you, Don? How you feeling about ignoring your most effective weapon for most of the second half? Is that really the best way to win a football game especially with Westbrook being dinged up?
I've had it with Reid more than anything but if McNabb is truly acting as petty and vindictive as that passage made him out to be, then he should be on the first bus the farg out of town. And sooner rather than later.
I don't buy it at all. If the Eagles were the Patriots and McNabb was Tom Brady who had mounds of adulations and accolades tossed upon him I could see someone getting a big head. But McNabb knows his track record and the teams track record with him at the helm.
McNabb's last playoff appearance was in Jacksonville in 2005. Dude hasn't been in them in going on 4 years. So for him to alienate someone or put them in their place makes no sense to me.
I give zero validity to what Owens says. Even if McNabb was narcissistic and all about 5, he still has a long way to go to catch up to the narcissism that emanates from Owens. So I'll strike TOs junk from the record because I just don't believe it.
How can McNabb, a guy who has been loathed in Philadelphia, get jealous of someone taking attention from him when he never has been a focal point of undying love in the first place?
So he should hate Dawkins too, maybe put him in his place because Dawk gets way more love than McNabb has or ever will.
Should McNabb chide one of his receivers or lineman when the farg up? [Palin]You betcha![/Palin]
But I do not see him purposely ignoring guys. Because if that was the case Johnson, Small, Brown, Baskett, Lewis, and whoever else you can think of who sucked would have never sniffed a ball.
He did pay Freddie no mind because Freddie was a fleshpophead no talent ass clown who couldn't run routes and popped off way too much.
He never ignored TO, even after Owens ripped him.
DeSean's snaps were reduced somewhat on Sunday. Why did we see Avant, Lewis and Baskett out there so much? That would be on Reid, not McNabb. Unless Donovan is telling him who to send out on the field.
mcnabbs goal in life is to be loved...loved by the media...loved by the fans...and when he doesnt get that love or god forbid someone else gets it then he flips out
the guy has serious emotional problems...its a shame to because his talent level is high enough to win a superbowl...unfortunately the talent doesnt extend to his brain and personality
Serious emotional problems, eh?
Go ahead and prescribe him some Xanax, Dr. IGY.
He's clearly selfish and arrogant yet you can't imagine a scenario where he's acting petty and vindictive towards a player who clearly has captured the spotlight from him?
I don't know what to say to you then, my man.
It's time to rebuild one way or another. If bringing in a new head coach makes McNabb a better player, then I'm fine with him sticking around. All I can hope for is the next coach better not coddle him like Reid did. Otherwise we're in for roughly another decade of futility.
Tell me how he is clearly selfish and arrogant?
Again, I ask WHAT spotlight?
This team will sink without McNabb.
I can't imagine anyone who can step into the QB role in the next five years that can play at his level.
farg this team.
He questioned the play calling today.
He also said that Baskett and Jackson should get more reps (he was asked).
Reporters then asked Reid he he would be shocked or surprised by someone questioning the playcalling, and he said yeah.
I, for one, love seeing Greg Lewis in there more often. He went from just not getting open to not catching anything. Solid progression.
phreak you are sounding like an extremeskins poster with this mcnabb nonsense. the guy could not mean more vanilla and passive and just an overall Hoyda who has zero control over the team.
selfish and arrogant might be a little extreme but hes definitely been spoiled his whole life from wilma to andy...and he acts like a friggin brat when things dont go the way he wants and he lets that effect his play...and it causes him not to having that intestinal fortitude i always reference...because hes never had tough times or had to do anything on his own he caves when ish gets hectic
when the going gets tough he gets going in his pants
or throwing up on the field
Quote from: MDS on October 08, 2008, 07:44:38 PM
phreak you are sounding like an extremeskins poster with this mcnabb nonsense. the guy could not mean more vanilla and passive and just an overall Hoyda who has zero control over the team.
I will hunt you down and steal your laptop, pens and tape recorder, Todd.
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 08, 2008, 07:50:45 PM
selfish and arrogant might be a little extreme but hes definitely been spoiled his whole life from wilma to andy...and he acts like a friggin brat when things dont go the way he wants and he lets that effect his play...and it causes him not to having that intestinal fortitude i always reference...because hes never had tough times or had to do anything on his own he caves when ish gets hectic
when the going gets tough he gets going in his pants
Define tough times? Does he have to have gone through life-changing events in order to be tough? Or are you talking professionally and not personally?
Playing injured shows intestinal fortitude, does it not?
He's done a lot on his own. The early years was all 5 on offense.
What would you have liked him to do to exhibit this toughness? What would satisfy you?
Quote from: FastFreddie on October 08, 2008, 07:24:12 PM
I, for one, love seeing Greg Lewis in there more often. He went from just not getting open to not catching anything. Solid progression.
Greg Lewis has to be the luckiest man in the NFL. How he has survived for years when the minimum salary goes up for every year you play in the league is a mystery.
jeff garcia = GAWD
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 08, 2008, 08:05:17 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 08, 2008, 07:50:45 PM
selfish and arrogant might be a little extreme but hes definitely been spoiled his whole life from wilma to andy...and he acts like a friggin brat when things dont go the way he wants and he lets that effect his play...and it causes him not to having that intestinal fortitude i always reference...because hes never had tough times or had to do anything on his own he caves when ish gets hectic
when the going gets tough he gets going in his pants
Define tough times? Does he have to have gone through life-changing events in order to be tough? Or are you talking professionally and not personally?
Playing injured shows intestinal fortitude, does it not?
He's done a lot on his own. The early years was all 5 on offense.
What would you have liked him to do to exhibit this toughness? What would satisfy you?
dude dont bother. igy wants mcnabb to act like OWENS when everyone knows thats not him.
its not some mental defect or problem but since everyone else gets so frustrated when the team loses they want to see mcnabb throw gatorade coolers around. it will never happen. most you will ever see from him is a "darn it" moment.
ignoring jackson? wtf? hes been going to him all season almost exclusively. first 4 weeks the talk was how much of a chemistry they have. do you think mcnabb forces the ball into any other WR like he did to jackson on that TD in chicago? thats not a safe throw and not a throw i usually see him force.
this whole jealousy mess is just made up. TO claims it so it must be true? a lot went wrong in this past game and yes jackson was not involved enough. i doubt it was because mcnabb was purposely ignoring him.
so far you have TO who claimed jealousy when we all know it was about money/respect.
before him you had freddie mitchell who claimed mcnabb wouldn't throw to him yet he yet to find any work outside of the eagles.
westbrook is more loved. i don't see mcnabb having problems with him. if anything jackson ran a bad route in chicago and a lazy route on that slant and mcnabb backed off or lost some confidence in him. i don't know how in the world ppl just from that to OMG HE CANT HANDLE THE LOVE OTHER PLAYERS GET!
actually thinking about it TO is the best example. in their 2nd season even after TO called out mcnabb, TO was still mcnabb #1 target and mcnabb was still throwing risky passes and forcing the ball to TO.
I love when IGY tries to play psychologist through the TV. Please refer to signature vvvvvv
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 08, 2008, 05:15:07 PM
mcnabb cares way more about not throwing interceptions than he does making plays....its why for a guy who isnt a great thrower he has one of the all time best pass to interception ratios
you can choose to believe this because your a realist or you can choose to believe this because you think McNabb is just plain awesome
I for one believe this comment to the utmost
there are so many other qb's that play/have played the WCO system and feed the receiver on the break. The WCO is based off timing to run to perfection. McNabb knows this offense like the back of his hand bet yet refuses to trust his receivers to the know the offense.
The problem is Mcnabb does not trust himself throwing on many many occasions...which results not throwing the ball when the receiver makes his break. When you wait for the receiver to get open, the play breaks down and the OL breaks down... thus resulting in McNabb running outside the pocket to try and make the play....but the end result now-a-days is a sack or incompletion because Mcnabb is not his former self
McNabb is way too tentative with the ball...has been for years...but I wont disagree that he is the best option to win for this team
^^^^
pretty much
the problem is their best chance to win isnt good enough
He doesn't run because he doesn't want to be perceived as just another running quarterback. That's nice. Even nicer would be having a reputation for doing whatever it takes to win a game, though.
Quote from: reese125 on October 09, 2008, 12:56:38 AM
there are so many other qb's that play/have played the WCO system and feed the receiver on the break. The WCO is based off timing to run to perfection. McNabb knows this offense like the back of his hand bet yet refuses to trust his receivers to the know the offense.
Maybe thats because
HIS RECEIVERS SUCK!!He never had a problem hitting TO on slants after he would break, or throwing to him when he was covered, or double teamed.
I don't want to sound like I'm a McNabb apologist like I have been in the past, but you can't lay all the blame on him in this case. How many drops and poorly run routes did we see last Sunday?? Do you really expect him to have any confidence in this group of receivers?
Quote from: shorebird on October 09, 2008, 09:52:43 AM
Quote from: reese125 on October 09, 2008, 12:56:38 AM
there are so many other qb's that play/have played the WCO system and feed the receiver on the break. The WCO is based off timing to run to perfection. McNabb knows this offense like the back of his hand bet yet refuses to trust his receivers to the know the offense.
Maybe thats because HIS RECEIVERS SUCK!!
He never had a problem hitting TO on slants after he would break, or throwing to him when he was covered, or double teamed.
I don't want to sound like I'm a McNabb apologist like I have been in the past, but you can't lay all the blame on him in this case. How many drops and poorly run routes did we see last Sunday?? Do you really expect him to have any confidence in this group of receivers?
feely trusted the WRs. he also threw way too many INTs.
Thats because Feeley wasn't very good and his RECIEVERS SUCKED!!
QuotePaint the Town Red! submitted by DonovanMcNabb
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With the bye week comes a chance to rest and get ready for the remainder of the football season. At 3-3 we had a chance to catch our breath and watch the rest of the NFC East settle in a little. We still have a tremendous amount of work ahead of us to get better and make a push for the playoffs.
Speaking of playoffs, I had a chance to see some of the baseball games this past week. What a great time it is to be in Philadelphia. The support and enthusiasm that the town is showing towards the Phillies is awesome. I know that we received similar support when we went to the Super Bowl but I'll be honest, I wasn't paying close attention to that while it was going on. My focus was on the game itself and I guess I didn't appreciate it like I should have.
Seeing how the city has "gone red" has given me a different perspective on how passionate this city in its desire to be part of a championship. Everyone wants to be a part of the success. Civic pride is at stake. Philadelphia's identity is its sports teams and the team's success is everyone in the area's success.
I join that group who supports the Phillies. I hope they bring a championship to Philly - following the one the Soul brought earlier this year - as I also hope that the Eagles, Sixers and Flyers can do too. I'd love to see Jimmy, Ryan, Chase, Shane, Pat and the rest of the guys do what we weren't able to do thus far - make Philadelphia the City of Champions!
Dave Spadaro obviously wrote that for him.
Why does he have to sound so eloquent and shtein?
Yeah, he should sound like a stillupfront's mom like the rest of us, yo!!!
Quote from: Rome on October 22, 2008, 11:17:33 AM
Dave Spadaro obviously wrote that for him.
:-D :-D :-D :-D
Four laughing smilies? Really?
:-D :-D :-D :-D :-D
You're super!
Quote from: reese125 on October 22, 2008, 11:27:35 AM
Why does he have to sound so eloquent and shtein?
He's part of the elitist crowd, obviously.
Quote from: reese125 on October 22, 2008, 11:27:35 AM
Why does he have to sound so eloquent and shtein?
It's been well known for quite some time now that McNabb's not black enough to get any respect.
McNabb's such an Uncle Tom that he's probably voting for McCain.
he roots for the phillies.....I have nothing to contribute
He's really a White Sox fan, I think. Who cares? At least he doesn't wear another city's stuff at a press conference like that thug Iverson.
i know your experience with negros begins and ends with the cosby show but everyone knows blacks dont like baseball idiot....try to keep up
Keisha Knight-Pulliam? HIT.
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Man, Rudy's all grown up.
Quote from: FastFreddie on October 22, 2008, 10:46:01 PM
Keisha Knight-Pulliam? HIT.
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Quote from: FastFreddie on October 22, 2008, 10:34:29 PM
He's really a White Sox fan, I think. Who cares? At least he doesn't wear another city's stuff at a press conference like that thug Iverson.
JR Reed was rockin Rays gear all week and look what happened to him.
He can no longer feel his foot?
Stung by a ray?
he got cut stupids.
I thought rays pierced, not cut.
You'll have to ask Steve Irwin when you see him in hell
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Bill Maher will be there too!
I like the Cosby Show
That dude is funny
Quote
McNabb, who has absorbed a fair amount of criticism and been the center of controversy during his 10-year career with the Eagles, added that he has drawn inspiration from Obama through the way he dealt with criticism during the campaign.
"I think it was similar in his process and the things he went through with the criticism he received," McNabb said. "People going back into his past and trying to characterize him and figure out what type of person he was. For people to make assumptions without even talking to the guy or getting to know him, it's similar to everything I've been through."
Yeah, you two are like totally the same. Except for the fact that Obama actually won when the stakes were the highest. Putz.
i'm betting obama would also reach back and rip out a puke pile wherever he happens to be as soon as the pressures on. just like mcnabbZ!
See that's where he is wrong and delusional
When is he going to realize we/Philadelphians don't give a farg what type of person he is or how his personality is perceived--all we care about is our QB throwing TD's and winning god-damn games
Dude thinks he's still running for homecoming king for christs sake
McNabb is all about trying to make you happy, big fella.
Between that and winning a Super Bowl, he's been failing for years
Quote from: reese125 on November 06, 2008, 12:45:34 PM
When is he going to realize we/Philadelphians don't give a farg what type of person he is or how his personality is perceived--all we care about is our QB throwing TD's and winning god-damn games
You obviously do not listen to Talk Radio or read IGY's posts.
How many thousands of hours have been spent discussing his heart, and his character and whatever the fargs?
people care...more in philadelphia than anywhere else...its why teams like the 87 flyers will always be beloved even tho they didnt win....
its why jimmy rollins will go down as a bigger legend than mike schmidt
its why andy reid will never be buddy ryan
why do you think keith primeau is so highly thought of in philly...all his stanley cups?...the 20 years he played here?
philly is old school like that where they wanna really like the people they root for...you can choose to believe this or not..i dont really give a crap...but it doesnt change the fact that its important to a large portion of the fanbase
methdeeze lives in LA
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on November 06, 2008, 02:34:48 PM
methdeeze lives in LA
BEFORE i wrote all that might have been the time to tell me this
by the way. LOL at Cecil county 67% for McCain Yeeehaw
doubtful
Parliament Lights, aka P-Funks, are delicious
I recently started smoking again after 6 years off and I'm farging loving it.
you can afford it
drugs are pretty farging important to a drug addict
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on November 06, 2008, 02:34:48 PM
methdeeze lives in LA
And grew up in Philly. What the hell does that have to do with anything? Doesn't IGY live in Baltimore?
Quote from: methdeez on November 06, 2008, 04:44:52 PM
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on November 06, 2008, 02:34:48 PM
methdeeze lives in LA
And grew up in Philly. What the hell does that have to do with anything? Doesn't IGY live in Baltimore?
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 06, 2008, 02:25:28 PM
why do you think keith primeau is so highly thought of in philly...all his stanley cups?...the 20 years he played here?
Apparently, either IGY lives in Philly, or Primeau plays in Baltimore. I'm not sure which.
live btwn baltimore and washington...spend most of my time in philly
holla at me if you ever out here
Please explain thaty convo btw you and Seabiscut.
I don't understand why since I (used to) live in LA that makes any difference.
I took it as you didnt get it
LA Sucks. Nuke it.
But Baltimore, that's a real shining point on America's landscape.
Syphilis capital of the US!
Baltimore has blue crabs.
L.A. has sluts with crabs.
Baltimore > L.A.
California is getting dangerously close to the point where we'd be better off if it fell off the map.
Quote from: FastFreddie on November 06, 2008, 08:15:09 PM
California is getting dangerously close to the point where we'd be better off if it fell off the map.
Emerald triangle excepted, of course....and maybe some vineyards
Might consider saving Silicon Valley to keep this Internet shtein working.
All of that's in Bangalore now anyway.
Watching the press conference the other night, between andys throat clearing and Donavans nose twitching, I think they are doing coke.
Quote from: Yeti on November 06, 2008, 11:18:44 PM
Watching the press conference the other night, between andys throat clearing and Donavans nose twitching, I think they are doing coke out of each other's ass cracks.
Link (http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/20081117_Ashley_Fox___McNabb_s_reign_likely_is_over.html)
QuoteAshley Fox: McNabb's reign likely is over
By Ashley Fox
Inquirer NFL columnist
CINCINNATI - He didn't know. Donovan McNabb has played in the NFL for a decade now, but he didn't know that a game can and will end in a tie if the score is still even after one 15-minute overtime session.
McNabb knows now.
Here's a little more knowledge for Super Five: Confidence, in fact, isn't high. This season is over. That 13-13 tie with the Cincinnati Bengals, a team with one win all season, ensured that the Eagles are going nowhere. The playoffs? Forget about it.
In case McNabb didn't know this either, in all likelihood, his reign here in Philadelphia is just about over. That's not a lock, because Andy Reid is a supremely stubborn and loyal man. But with the Eagles at 5-4-1 - such a 1970s record if there ever was one - we probably are entering the final six-game slate of the McNabb era in Philadelphia.
Given how he helped resurrect this franchise, McNabb's tenure shouldn't end this way - ugly and unsatisfying - but it probably will anyway.
If the Eagles miss the playoffs for the third time in four years, and there's absolutely no reason to think that they won't, someone has to go. Given the tight relationship in the front office, it's unlikely that Jeffrey Lurie will fire Joe Banner or Reid. Reid won't let go of offensive coordinator Marty Mornhinweg. Maybe the triumvirate sacrifices general manager Tom Heckert, but really, what would that accomplish or whom would that satisfy?
The likely scenario, despite Reid's undeniable bond with the man he selected out of Syracuse with the second pick in the 1999 draft, is that the Eagles will say thanks and goodbye to McNabb.
If they haven't already, the whispers will begin soon enough. Have you watched this Kevin Kolb kid? He sure looks good in practice. McNabb? He never did recover from that knee injury. Have you seen how reluctant he is to run?
And so it will begin.
For all the preseason talk about how strong he felt and what great shape he was in, McNabb hasn't exactly done much to prevent his exit. He hasn't orchestrated one of those come-from-behind fourth-quarter drives. He hasn't led the Eagles to those wins they should have gotten against Chicago and Washington. He hasn't overcome faulty coaching or bad play-calling.
Since the bye week, McNabb has been horribly erratic, completing just 53.8 percent of his passes in the last four games and throwing six touchdown passes and five interceptions. That 2-1-1 record since the bye week has not helped.
The first quarter? Forget about it. McNabb essentially has been a no-show this last month. Maybe the script has been bad, but McNabb hasn't been much better.
Against Atlanta, McNabb started 5 of 14, and the Eagles' first five drives ended in punt, punt, fumble, punt, punt. Their first five possessions against Seattle? Zero points, four punts. After a quick touchdown against the Giants last week, McNabb misfired on seven of his next nine passes, with four lost possessions.
Yesterday's start against a team that had the league's 20th-ranked defense wasn't any better. McNabb started 1 of 5 against the Bengals with zero first downs and one fumble.
All the Eagles' offense really had to do against a team with shaken if not shattered confidence was start quickly and bury the Bengals early. But they couldn't do it. Receivers dropped passes. Brian Westbrook got few opportunities. The Bengals hung around, and the defense got bolder with every possession, batting down McNabb's passes, stepping in front of three for interceptions, and forcing him to throw on the run.
The Bengals could have intercepted more, but in the end, it was enough. McNabb's numbers: 28 of 58 for 339 yards, one touchdown and three interceptions. It was the third most attempts in Eagles history and four shy of Randall Cunningham's record of 62 set in 1989.
Three of those attempts came on third-and-1 plays, which certainly wasn't McNabb's fault. It wasn't his fault, either, that Reid and Mornhinweg played for the tie when they elected to punt on fourth and 1 with 90 seconds left in overtime.
But history, the Eagles' history, will forget those details. It will remember that after the game McNabb said that, from the offense's perspective, "the confidence is high," which was hard to believe after so many drops, turnovers and missed opportunities. It will remember that McNabb wasn't crying for a sense of urgency. Rather, he stayed true to form, even-keel as if the ship wasn't sinking.
It will remember that, although there had only been 16 ties since the NFL went to a sudden-death, 15-minute overtime format in 1974, McNabb didn't know that games could end in ties. He wasn't alone - count Trent Cole, Omar Gaither, Quintin Mikell and Tra Thomas in McNabb's category - but he's the quarterback. He should have known.
"Maybe a lot of the guys haven't been in the league seven years," cornerback Sheldon Brown said, "but I know the rules."
Told his quarterback didn't know the rule, Mornhinweg said: "Yeah, um, yeah, but, uh, I don't know what to say on that one."
Say thanks, and say farewell, because this season, like the quarterback's career here, is over.
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Ashley Fox: Forgettable and Regrettable
Eagles quarterback Donovan McNabb completed 28 of 58 passing attempts for 339 yards and one touchdown in the 13-13 tie in Cincinnati yesterday. He threw three interceptions and fumbled once. His quarterback rating was 50.9.
First Quarter
McNabb was a dreadful 1-for-5 passing, for 0 yards, and lost a fumble after being sacked.
Second Quarter
He threw two interceptions in Bengals territory, killing drives. He did however, complete a 44-yard pass to Correll Buckhalter that set up a David Akers field goal.
Third Quarter
McNabb completed his only touchdown, hitting L.J. Smith for 4 yards after Hank Baskett's 57-yard catch-and-run.
Fourth Quarter
McNabb twice couldn't convert a first down late in regulation. Starting from his own 40 with 2 minutes, 44 seconds left, he missed Kevin Curtis on a third-and-1 play with 1:56 left, forcing a punt. Incredibly, the Eagles got the ball back with 1:25 left, but McNabb threw three straight incomplete passes, forcing another punt.
Overtime
Starting from his own 13 with 1:50 left, McNabb again threw three incompletions, forcing another punt.
I flat out refuse to believe that McNabb or anyone else on that zesty ass team didn't know the rules of OT. That's a bullshtein answer.
Feva, I think its pretty obvious that when you continue your thought by saying, "I hate to see what happens in the Super Bowl or playoffs"---you really didnt know there is a tie
oh believe it
How can Andy Reid still have a job after this game?
Anyone who can offer any sort of explanation will be showered with thanks.
because hes has the most wins ever for an Eagles coach
he has taken the Eagles to the playoffs so many times
he coached them to the Super Bowl
I have an umbrella
bengals obviously did their homework. reid just keeps sticking to the "game plan" week after week no matter who the opponent is.
Quote from: mussa on November 17, 2008, 09:35:52 AM
bengals obviously did their homework. reid just keeps sticking to the "game plan" week after week no matter who the opponent is.
esp true considernig the bengals safety said they knew the routes the eagles run. 14 yd curls.
thats another thing i never understood. why is every route so deep? what happened to the dink and dunk?
Quote from: mussa on November 17, 2008, 09:35:52 AM
bengals obviously did their homework. reid just keeps sticking to the "game plan" week after week no matter who the opponent is.
The wind is blowing 50 mph? Pass. The Eagles have one of the best RBs in football? Pass. McNabb is off? Pass more.
Quote from: Magical_Retard on November 17, 2008, 09:58:10 AM
Quote from: mussa on November 17, 2008, 09:35:52 AM
bengals obviously did their homework. reid just keeps sticking to the "game plan" week after week no matter who the opponent is.
esp true considernig the bengals safety said they knew the routes the eagles run. 14 yd curls.
thats another thing i never understood. why is every route so deep? what happened to the dink and dunk?
forget the dink and dunk--Mcnabb is not Gannon
Everything is a curl route, quick and out, or overthrown seam route (less used than the others)....ultimately resulting in a farged up trick play attempt.
Its the saddest play book in the NFL
Direct snap to Jackson-reverse-to-Westbrook on 2nd and 7 deep in your own territory in OT is the DEFINITION of farged up trick play attempt.
How did Rome phrase it? Pass wacky, trick play, freakshow offense?
Pretty spot on.
Quote from: rjs246 on November 17, 2008, 10:31:23 AM
How did Rome phrase it? Pass wacky, trick play, freakshow offense?
Pretty spot on.
There isn't enough description in there to make it clear that they also suck.
There are NFL pass wacky, trick play, freakshow offenses that don't suck?
There have been, sure. Demon could tell you all about the "Greatest Show on Turf!"
But he won't.
Has this been mentioned?
McNabb is now 22-20-1 as a starter since losing the Super Bowl.
WINNING RECORD
GOLD STANDARD
Quote from: EagleFeva on November 17, 2008, 10:29:24 AM
Direct snap to Jackson-reverse-to-Westbrook on 2nd and 7 deep in your own territory in OT is the DEFINITION of farged up trick play attempt.
that one really angered me and let me know then and there this would be a loss.
on a 2nd and 7 you can not just line up and run up the middle? and i really hate those stretch plays as well. it seems like by the time westbrook reaches the edge there is a LB or DLineman right in his face and he has nowhere to turn up to.
I'm going to laugh it up in Andy's direction when #5 takes his new team deep into the playoffs next year.
What? I haven't been drinking...that much... :paranoid
McNabb will be a Viking next year
They can have him. We'll throw in Andy for free.
i doubt they let him go to a team within the conference.
more like the texans or some terrible team in the AFC.
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100 fake internet dollars to anyone who photoshops a penis on andy reid and that penis going into mcnabb mouth on that
QuoteCUTTING MCNABB WOULD CREATE $8 MILLION IN 2009 CAP SPACE
Posted by Mike Florio on November 17, 2008, 2:54 p.m.
As the City of Philadelphia buzzes with Eagles fans who hope that quarterback Donovan McNabb has only six games remaining in his career with the team, we're told that the Eagles would save a nice chunk of change — and cap space — if they pull the plug on McNabb after the season.
With a 2009 base salary of $9.2 million and a remaining bonus proration of $1.16 million, dumping McNabb would create more than $8 million in 2009 cap space.
Carrying the $1.16 million in dead money would be no big deal for the Eagles, especially since they pushed more than $10 million of 2008 cap surplus into 2009 via a phony eight-figure LTBE incentive given to fullback/defensive tackle/fullback/defensive tackle/fullback Dan Klecko.
In all, McNabb is signed through 2013. His salaries after next season are $10 million, $12.07 million, $14.1 million, and $16.2 million.
There is no bonus proration remaining on the deal after 2009.
Trading McNabb is a longshot, absent a significant restructuring of his deal.
And so, in an offseason in which an unprecedented number of quarterbacks with significant name recognition might be available, McNabb could be one of the most prominent players looking for a new home.
McNabb is an idiot but he is not the farging problem. If he gets cut and Andy Reid stays I'll farging lose it.
True that. If Donovan gets pushed out the door... then Andy's fat ass should be gone with him. Reid should not be allowed to waste another QB. Not for the Eagles anyway.
Donovan will be the fall guy. Watch.
They'll usher him out and Reid will go unscathed.
I'd like to see what McNabb can do in a balanced attack, sort of like they had his first few years when Reid tried to establish the run vice calling a run play once every 3 series just to see if could trick the D.
yous are talking like its 2003....if it was five years ago yes you keep mcnabb....but he makes a trillion dollars and is a shell of his former self...not to mention the rest of the team is not nearly good enough to win with how good he is now....its over for reid AND mcnabb...reid is much worse but they both are worthless at this point in time
its time to move on
None of that contradicts my point. McNabb is past his prime, sure, but if he goes and Andy stays then nothing is accomplished. Nothing.
Its time to start over, thanks for promising a SB and not doing it Reid/Lurie
Who would replace McNabb though? Kolb? No thanks
Though he still makes rookie mistakes ten years into his career, he's still one of the better QBs in the league.
Thawk is correct. The right answer is can Reid, and get some real weapons for McNabb. Give him a strong supporting cast with real receivers, and the guy will do great. Trying to push McNabb out the door is not the answer this year.
Can Reid, Morninwood, and Johnson. Hire a GM, then a HC, then a DC.
Ship McNabb out to Chicago, get Cassel and let him compete with Kolb.
Move on.
i love the fact that donovan doesn't know the rules of OT. and that he said lots of other eagles players didn't know. i'm not even sure how thats possible but wow does it really make andy reid look like an idiot. at least now his fairy tale world might actually start getting some pub outside of philly.
and didn't the eagles already have a tie with baltimore within the last 10 years when donovan was already on the team?
tie was in 97....pre mcnabb
and mcnabb is not one of the better qb's in the nfl still....now that he no longer runs the ball hes at best upper middle of the pack and is only getting worse
reid and mcnabb are attached at the hip....need to start fresh with a new regime who brings in their own qb
Nope - although that was my memory as well. It was 1997, with Bobby Hoying at the helm (after the Ty Detmer / Rodney Peete abortion)
If they ship McNabb and keep Reid this accomplishes nothing and we are stuck with Kolb trying to manage what McNabb, a pro-bowl proven QB couldn't handle. The real problem is so clear and focused in HD fargin TV. The only QB's in the league who could handle this retarded lost in the past NFL offense are MVP super bowl winners who are going nowhere near Philadelphia. Face it we are farged until Reid is canned. Conversation and season over
Quote from: Cerevant on November 18, 2008, 10:37:35 AM
Nope - although that was my memory as well. It was 1997, with Bobby Hoying at the helm (after the Ty Detmer / Rodney Peete abortion)
I wouldn't put it past this team to tie again next week. That would be pretty awesome...in the good way and in the bad way.
Get rid of both. McNabb is past his prime, Reid is the farging problem. Napalm, I say.
If you think getting rid of only McNabb and not Reid won't fix the problem, you're right. However, the inevitably zesty season that will follow is sure to accelerate the dismissal of Reid. Since I doubt Lurie has the stones to fire Reid directly this offseason, at least canning McNabb would set us up for a new coach in a couple years.
i wouldnt be sure of that...what would be stopping lurie from using a young qb's learning curve as the reason to keep reid thru another era...i know we all blame reid more than mcnabb but im quite sure lurie is closer to andy than donovan and the same way some of us think donovan deserves another coach lurie im sure believe reids deserves another qb
we have 2 more years of donovan
2009: $9,206,000 (9.2 mil base salary)
2010: $10,006,000 (10 mil base salary)
kolbs contract also ends at that point, so does andy's
gonna be a long end of the decade, friends.
Joining McNabb in the dumbass parade; Roethlisberger and Hines Ward who also did not know about the ties.
Hines did not know until the Falcons and Steelers tied in 2002
Rothelinger also suggested that up to half the players in the NFL don't know about overtime, and that perhaps people are making a big deal out of nothing. Now when has anyone ever made a big deal out of something?
its just players sticking up for players...its inexcusable for a qb to not know that...but as i said monday thats not even the amazing thing about what donovan did...in fact theres two more amazing things
1) he thought there were ties in the playoffs and superbowl
2) he admitted not knowing their were ties in the nfl and he admitted this after showering...this was one hour after the game...this wasnt on the field after the final whistle...the fact that he still admitted this just shows that he doesnt give a farg about anythng much less winning football games...i truly believe he thrives off this kind of shtein because he knows it drives the fans bonkers and its his way of getting back at them...theres no other reason for the inexplicable stuff he is always saying...shtein that he 100% knows is gonna piss people off or make himself look horrible yet he still does it...he needs a change of scenery so bad its not even funny...he was done in this city three years ago
What do you expect from a man who is 30+ years old and just voted for the first time in his life?
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 19, 2008, 05:59:26 AM
its just players sticking up for players...its inexcusable for a qb to not know that...but as i said monday thats not even the amazing thing about what donovan did...in fact theres two more amazing things
1) he thought there were ties in the playoffs and superbowl
2) he admitted not knowing their were ties in the nfl and he admitted this after showering...this was one hour after the game...this wasnt on the field after the final whistle...the fact that he still admitted this just shows that he doesnt give a farg about anythng much less winning football games...i truly believe he thrives off this kind of shtein because he knows it drives the fans bonkers and its his way of getting back at them...theres no other reason for the inexplicable stuff he is always saying...shtein that he 100% knows is gonna piss people off or make himself look horrible yet he still does it...he needs a change of scenery so bad its not even funny...he was done in this city three years ago
now the season is complete.
we just needed igy's psycho analysis on players desire to win or lose.
now we can fire reid and get rid of mcnabb.
actually im pretty proud of my psycho analysis of donovan over the years....its been pretty much 100% on point
no it really hasnt
your last paragraph of him doing things for spite is really gay
how can it not be. i mean there is no way to prove it or disprove it.
i would say he does not need to say anything stupid to piss the fans off....he already does by losing. or by winning. or by smiling.
sometimes for spite...like the continual bashing of the fans
a lot of times hes just is an idiot and doesnt think before he talks...like he wont necessarily do something on purpose but the results of what he did or said he will enjoy and thrive off of
its a classic sign of being a sheltered mommas boy his whole life...people like that feed off that shtein...its almost like they want to be disliked or criticized so that they can feel like and play the victim
for example in a sick way hes enjoying all the negative attention hes getting from the tie game comments
So he's an attention whore. What a slut
There is no compelling reason for Donovan to start a single game for the rest of the year. The only possible rationale for playing the guy would be to give the paying fans a shot at seeing a competitive game. I'd rather see what Kolb can do so we know if we need a Free Agant QB and a draft pick at the position.
McNabb had some very good years here, as did Cunningham and Jaworski, but a decade seems to be a good mile marker for moving on ....
The worst thing for the longrun would be for McNabb to squeak out enough wins to justify us replaying this mediocrity next year ......
(the payoff comments were embarrassing, but really they are being overblown. It doesn't matter as long as the coaches calling the plays knew. McNabb should go on Letterman and do the "Top 10 Rules he didn't know about." If he could make a joke of it, it would go away that much quicker ....)
Bob Ford wins a few chuckles in this piece (http://www.philly.com/inquirer/columnists/bob_ford/20081119_Bob_Ford__Testing_McNabb_s_NFL_IQ.html?viewAll=y):
The Donovan McNabb NFL Rule Book Quiz:
1. During the regular season in the NFL, the first overtime period, if neither team scores, is followed by:
a) more overtime periods until the winner of the game is decided.
b) a game of rock, paper, scissors between the two head coaches.
c) a Mariah Carey concert.
d) a news conference during which the reporters stare at you with their mouths open for some reason.
2. In the event of a regular-season tie, the two teams:
a) are essentially credited with a half-win and a half-loss in the standings.
b) are forced to have an 18-hole playoff the following day.
c) exchange "middle fives" after the game.
d) are relegated to the second division.
3. For the NFL playoffs and the Super Bowl:
a) play continues in successive overtime periods until there is a sudden-death winner.
b) play is halted after the first overtime period and a tie is declared.
c) the outcome is decided based on total yardage gained after the first overtime period.
d) the Eagles are watching on plasma TV. (Ha)
4. How many roster players are eligible to dress for a regular-season game?
a) 46
b) 53
c) 65
d) Everyone except Lorenzo Booker. (Ha)
5. When the referee crosses his arms like Mr. Clean, that means:
a) offside
b) ineligible receiver downfield
c) illegal motion
d) Andy and Marty had a little trouble getting that darn play call into the headset in time again. (Ha)
6. If the Eagles need 4 yards for a first down and run the ball twice, once for 1 yard and once for 3 yards:
a) they have earned the first down.
b) there will be a measurement.
c) they are still short of the first down.
d) there must be a new head coach calling plays.
7. A legal end-zone celebration after the quarterback scrambles for a touchdown is:
a) a Michael Jackson moonwalk.
b) a Chuck Berry duckwalk.
c) a Steve Martin Egyptian walk.
d) quarterbacks can scramble?
8. On Tuesdays, after a big win over a good opponent:
a) players have the day off.
b) coaches watch the film over and over, giggling.
c) Joe Banner calls the newspapers and Comcast to complain there wasn't enough coverage.
d) Sorry, can't remember.
9. When a pass is attempted, but the ball is tipped by a defender at the line of scrimmage and falls to the ground, this is called:
a) an incomplete
b) a fumble
c) a muff
d) third-and-1. (Ha)
10. An official NFL field is:
a) 150 feet wide.
b) 160 feet wide.
c) 170 feet wide.
d) too narrow for Sav Rocca.
11. How many players may go into motion during an offensive set?
a) 1
b) 2
c) 3
d) Everyone except Correll Buckhalter. He's on the sideline.
12. If the Eagles do not make the playoffs, the final regular-season game will be followed by:
a) a big party at Andy's house.
b) a week of review and planning.
c) postseason physicals.
d) Kevin Kolb.
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 19, 2008, 09:42:08 AM
sometimes for spite...like the continual bashing of the fans
a lot of times hes just is an idiot and doesnt think before he talks...like he wont necessarily do something on purpose but the results of what he did or said he will enjoy and thrive off of
its a classic sign of being a sheltered mommas boy his whole life...people like that feed off that shtein...its almost like they want to be disliked or criticized so that they can feel like and play the victim
for example in a sick way hes enjoying all the negative attention hes getting from the tie game comments
you and i agree mostly on the flaws of mcnabb on the field. his lack of accuracy, his inability to come up big in tight games, and his overall lack of consistency.
but the rest of crap you spew about him and his feelings and how thrives off of this or that is completely off the wall. in fact its just opinion which you present as fact. it can not be proven or disproved.
saying he thrives off of this negative attention...how do you know? what proof do you have of this statement? is he using it to play better at game time? cause hes been consistently critisized since day 1. it has not made him play any bette ror worse.
you also claim he does not care to win or lose. again opinion presented as fact. i could point to factual evidence claiming he does care enough to win because he has played hurt a lot and esp in his early yrs abused his body by running so much. that would be factual evidence based on stuff everyone sees on the field.
mcnabb is goofy. not funny. i think we all know this. but reading into his desire to win or lose, or his sheltered momma's boy upbringing, or him thriving off of the negativity is all opinion you like to believe in as fact because in some sick way it satisfies you to justify the teams's and mcnabb's lack of success.
if only mcnabb was the result of a broken home, came from the hood, and made it rain like pacman!
donovan mcnabb woe is me presser is in full effect
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 19, 2008, 05:59:26 AM
theres no other reason for the inexplicable stuff he is always saying
He might not be very smart.
Quote from: Reidme on November 19, 2008, 10:26:03 AM
There is no compelling reason for Donovan to start a single game for the rest of the year. The only possible rationale for playing the guy would be to give the paying fans a shot at seeing a competitive game.
Except for the fact that they could make the playoffs....
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 19, 2008, 12:13:12 PM
donovan mcnabb woe is me presser is in full effect
transcript?
Quote from: methdeez on November 19, 2008, 01:25:50 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 19, 2008, 05:59:26 AM
theres no other reason for the inexplicable stuff he is always saying
He might not be very smart.
That would explain why he continues to make rookie mistakes after playing ten years. Injuries have prevented him from playing the full ten though
Warren Sapp:
"When I heard him say it I almost passed out," Sapp said on this week's Inside the NFL. "I thought, 'This will follow you for the rest of your career.' Your legacy in the league, Donovan, will be throwing up in the Super Bowl, Rush Limbaugh and now, 'I didn't know there were ties in the NFL.'"
really rush limbaugh?
that does not even come up much anymore.
I'd say TO rather than Limbaugh myself
otherwise, he's spot on
I highly doubt he even came even a little bit close to passing out.
99% chance donovan saw that and sulked in his couch for a good 20 minutes before wilma called him and told him that it would all be okay.
Wonderlic scores don't necessarily mean anything, but McNabb scored a 14 while QBs like Peyton Manning and Matt Hasselbeck had around 27 or 28.
http://www.macmirabile.com/Wonderlic.htm (http://www.macmirabile.com/Wonderlic.htm)
is hasselbeck that much better than mcnabb?
kevin curtis recieved the highest ever right?
I'm not talking about football skills. I'm talking about smarts. Kevin Curtis may be the smartest and fastest guy on the field who can't get open or catch a ball.
vorp > wonderlic
farg the wonderlic--does it make you throw on time to your receivers or hit them in stride?
if so--it should be taken every Saturday evening
farg the Wonderlic. Terry Bradshaw and Dan Marino barely have the brainpower necessary to maintain consciousness.
Donovan has even less. He probably got lucky the day they gave the test.
Obviously, he must have cheated or is real good at the guessamatic system.
Quote from: QB Eagles on November 20, 2008, 09:51:43 AM
farg the Wonderlic. Terry Bradshaw and Dan Marino barely have the brainpower necessary to maintain consciousness.
:-D Me play football. Me like.
It's the story of the week (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=fivenflteamsheadedinwron&prov=tsn&type=lgns)
QuoteThey can't win close games. They can't run the football in short yardage. They can't rely on their quarterback to know the rules of overtime. All of the Eagles' problems were exposed in Sunday's tie against the Bengals. They had 18 third-down plays, and they passed 18 times. Hard to believe, and it's even harder to believe McNabb did not know regular-season games could end in a tie. Believe this—if the Eagles miss the playoffs, McNabb will be in another uniform next season.
Last week, we bitched because Andy went on two running plays with the game on the line. This past week, it weas becayse they didn't run the ball to get the first down.
The simple answer is, the Eagles just can't convert on short-yardage 3rd downs - simple as that.
Fuel to the fire.
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He completed just 28 of 58 passes and had three interceptions and a lost fumble against the Bengals. In the Eagles' last four games, McNabb has a 53.5 completion percentage and has turned the ball over seven times (five interceptions, two fumbles).
He's gotten off to horrendous starts in each of those games, completing just six of 26 passes in the first quarters of the last four games.
Quote from: Father Demon on November 22, 2008, 11:56:51 PM
Fuel to the fire.
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He completed just 28 of 58 passes and had three interceptions and a lost fumble against the Bengals. In the Eagles' last four games, McNabb has a 53.5 completion percentage and has turned the ball over seven times (five interceptions, two fumbles).
He's gotten off to horrendous starts in each of those games, completing just six of 26 passes in the first quarters of the last four games.
That is terrible bad, horrendously awful, worthy of benching. Really, could Kolb do any worse?
Quote from: shorebird on November 23, 2008, 07:47:05 AM
Quote from: Father Demon on November 22, 2008, 11:56:51 PM
Fuel to the fire.
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He completed just 28 of 58 passes and had three interceptions and a lost fumble against the Bengals. In the Eagles' last four games, McNabb has a 53.5 completion percentage and has turned the ball over seven times (five interceptions, two fumbles).
He's gotten off to horrendous starts in each of those games, completing just six of 26 passes in the first quarters of the last four games.
That is terrible bad, horrendously awful, worthy of benching. Really, could Kolb do any worse?
Sure he could. But I think the general attitude of Eagle fans right now (myself included) is why not try? We've got six games left in a season that isn't going anywhere... might as well give Kolb an extended tryout. Between McNabb's fragile ego and Reid's loyalty to his franchise QB, we know that isn't happening though.
Kolb sucks and he certainly isn't the answer to anything concerning the Eagles troubles.
That's not necessarily true.
Maybe he can coach.
Yeah, we've certainly seen enough of him in game action to know he's terrible.
Of course, with the line and WRs they've got, it would be hard to judge his ability anyway.
Just say NO to Kolb.
McNabb should be the starter this and next year.
There's a part of me that wants to stick it out and stay the course with McNabb, he just needs a new start and needs someone to challenge him. He's become stale. He still has a gun for an arm and ok mobility.
and the accuracy of a paraplegic
Jimmy Johnson on Fox pre-game just said he thinks the Eagles need a shake-up, and McNabb must go, but Reid should stay.
And this is why Jimmy Johnson is out of the league.
yup...he should be the starter this year AND next year
Quote from: shorebird on November 23, 2008, 07:47:05 AM
Quote from: Father Demon on November 22, 2008, 11:56:51 PM
Fuel to the fire.
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He completed just 28 of 58 passes and had three interceptions and a lost fumble against the Bengals. In the Eagles' last four games, McNabb has a 53.5 completion percentage and has turned the ball over seven times (five interceptions, two fumbles).
He's gotten off to horrendous starts in each of those games, completing just six of 26 passes in the first quarters of the last four games.
That is terrible bad, horrendously awful, worthy of benching. Really, could Kolb do any worse?
:-D
Will McNabb win a Super Bowl with another team?
I say no.
limb...youre out on it
McNabb to the Vikes. It makes too much sense. Is Kolb really the answer? Hope we draft a good one next year. If Ryan and Flacco can play, why can't we draft one. ;)
im certainly not going to make any kind of blanket statement regarding kolb but damn does he look hideous...funny thing is as i was saying to my boy at the game he looks exactly like hes looked in the two training camps ive seen him at...not one ounce of improvement
Quote from: EagleFeva on November 23, 2008, 04:17:38 PM
Quote from: shorebird on November 23, 2008, 07:47:05 AM
Quote from: Father Demon on November 22, 2008, 11:56:51 PM
Fuel to the fire.
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He completed just 28 of 58 passes and had three interceptions and a lost fumble against the Bengals. In the Eagles' last four games, McNabb has a 53.5 completion percentage and has turned the ball over seven times (five interceptions, two fumbles).
He's gotten off to horrendous starts in each of those games, completing just six of 26 passes in the first quarters of the last four games.
That is terrible bad, horrendously awful, worthy of benching. Really, could Kolb do any worse?
:-D
I fail to see what the farg is so funny about that.
5 shtein the bed the last couple weeks.
then reid shtein the bed, but did his fargING TYPICAL mcnabb out of the game (this time not to injury) and go back to the true wco and dink and dunk, and what happened? they drove down the field. true, it got picked off, but why reid always farging decides to run every WR a 14 yard route when mcnabb is in always baffles me.
playcalling playcalling playcalling.
i wonder how many times we ran, pass, pass, punted today
im still furious about the 3rd and 1 go route
i'm still furious about the decision that "well, reggie brown is healthy so he's our #1.... and then they throw a wr screen to him. "
LOL.
not that it means much but merril hoge just called out andy on sportscenter in a big way
if nothing else it made me feel warm and fuzzy
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 23, 2008, 07:13:32 PM
im still furious about the 3rd and 1 go route
thats really where the game was lost.
they could have run up the middle or had mcnabb keep it and take it up the middle.
im not sure if you could see it on tv or not but the ravens 100% knew they werent running it and had no middle linebacker on the play and had their dt's split....mcnabb easily could have rode jamals rectum for at least three yards...we know andy isnt gonna call it but why dononvan didnt pat his ass and audible to that play is beyond me
McNabb's a lot of things but he did not deserve getting farged over by the fat coward today.
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 23, 2008, 07:26:45 PM
im not sure if you could see it on tv or not but the ravens 100% knew they werent running it and had no middle linebacker on the play and had their dt's split....mcnabb easily could have rode jamals rectum for at least three yards...we know andy isnt gonna call it but why dononvan didnt pat his ass and audible to that play is beyond me
The cute thing about that is McNabb has probably called an audible a grand total of one time this season, and I think it was the goal line debacle.
He is just not a smart enough qb to read the d and audible.
As a matter of fact, how many times have you seen McNabb in his career come out of a huddle, get to the line of scrimmage, get under center--read the d and either call an audible or turn to the ref and call a timeout?
i dont buy that...mcnabb is a lot of things but dumb isnt one of them
i just think the he is so attached to andys gib that he is incapable or maybe even scared to audible because that would mean telling andy his original call wasnt good enough....
this is why they need to be broken up
Quote from: Rome on November 23, 2008, 07:35:04 PM
McNabb's a lot of things but he did not deserve getting farged over by the fat coward today.
For some reason I believe the call was made from upstairs to make the move for Kolb
only down a TD, critical game (in Reids mind) and u switch to Kolb? It just doesnt sound like Reid to do something like that. Its not like at his presser that media would of been asking him, "Why didnt you put Kolb in?"
Its just beyond laughable and retarded, and I certainly look forward to his next coaching gaffe
it is hard to audible when you get the play called into you with 10 seconds left on the game clock
Quote from: reese125 on November 23, 2008, 07:40:57 PM
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For some reason I believe the call was made from upstairs to make the move for Kolb
oh 100%...not during the game but sometime this week or weekend banner/lurie def told andy to make the switch if donovan started cold again...this is because they know they arent paying donovan next year...its also why andy didnt have the guts to face donovan because it wasnt his call...like i said on the other thread....its bush league and unprofessional but thats how this organization does...when things are going good they are all daisys and unicorns and when the going gets tough the tough get going in their pants....farging iceholes
actually he tried once today when they started off with the no huddle...
i remember the lined up in shotgun but then he tried to audible but they ran out of time and took a delay of game penalty.
that was in the first qrt. i thought he also called a audible once on a buckhalter run for a first down. it was a 2nd and 2 or something.
but yeah he should have just taken off himself on that 3rd and 1. he had just picked up the 9 yds on a run up the middle on the previous play.
Quote from: reese125 on November 23, 2008, 07:40:57 PM
Quote from: Rome on November 23, 2008, 07:35:04 PM
McNabb's a lot of things but he did not deserve getting farged over by the fat coward today.
For some reason I believe the call was made from upstairs to make the move for Kolb
only down a TD, critical game (in Reids mind) and u switch to Kolb? It just doesnt sound like Reid to do something like that. Its not like at his presser that media would of been asking him, "Why didnt you put Kolb in?"
Its just beyond laughable and retarded, and I certainly look forward to his next coaching gaffe
actually not even a TD...they were down by 3 at half.
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 23, 2008, 07:40:28 PM
i dont buy that...mcnabb is a lot of things but dumb isnt one of them
i just think the he is so attached to andys gib that he is incapable or maybe even scared to audible because that would mean telling andy his original call wasnt good enough....
this is why they need to be broken up
Generally, McNabb doesn't have enough time to audible. When have they ever lined up with more than ten seconds on the playclock? Whenever he tries to audible, they wind up wasting a timeout, or taking that lovely delay of game penalty like today.
that criticism is overrated...andy had failed in getting in plays at some of thge most inopportune times but in general donovan is sitting back in the shotgun for an eternity and is able to do whatever the hell he wants most downs
McNabb yawning on the sidelines like he just woke up from a nooner right before kickoff just shows how into this game he was.
mcnabb deserved to be benched...i had no problem with it. reid should've talked to him though.
they're both terrible.
Well, with two first round picks next year, the writing is on the wall. They are obviously in rebuilding mode and are trying to figure out if they want to draft a QB next year.
Andy Reid will be the head coach of the Philadelphia Eagles next year. Get used to it.
well if they draft another QB it will truly make the kolb pick the worst of all time.
no second round pick could be the worst of all time...but draft a qb or not it was horrible...
Quote from: Magical_Retard on November 23, 2008, 09:10:15 PM
well if they draft another QB it will truly make the kolb pick the worst of all time.
... and Andy will have himself another victim.
I would say of all the starting qb's in the league this year, Kolb ranks 1st ahead of Orton in the, "I dont look like a NFL QB" department
cmon...at least look like you play the role
espn is reporting that andy had private talks with the other coaches and banner/lurie earlier in the week about benching mcnabb
so why the puussieness of not going over directly to McNabb and telling him before or during the game...or maybe lighting a fire under McNabb's ass could actually motivate a person?
Putting pressure on McNabb has never motivated him before. It wouldn't have worked now.
Quote from: Wingspan on November 24, 2008, 10:01:30 AMPutting pressure on McNabb has never motivated him before.
for real
Why not just be a man about it and say either you perform or I'm putting the kid in? Is Donovan's psyche so fragile that he'd literally spontaneously combust if he heard those words or is it a case of the fat man being a coward and dodging his responsibilities again?
I don't know - maybe it's a combination of the two. Regardless, it's pathetic and totally embarrassing for the organization to conduct its business like this.
exactly
McNabb has never been confronted, or pressured...theres your problem
You think your boss would be scared to tell you, "Hey listen...if you dont sell....were gonna have to make some changes."
if reid had confronted him or put too much pressure on him, mcnabb probably would've puked.
farg him. i'm glad he was benched. sure, reid should have told him personally but he's just as inept so nothing that clown does surprises me either.
get them both outta philly...now.
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 24, 2008, 09:47:11 AM
espn is reporting that andy had private talks with the other coaches and banner/lurie earlier in the week about benching mcnabb
If true, this sounds like when all the brainiacs got together, they thought ths action would motivate the rest of the team in a "Holy shtein, these guys mean business" type of way. McNabb was sucking balls for the first half, but he wasn't alone. The play calling has as much to do with (or, more accurately, more to do with) the zesty performance of both McNabb and the team. To be down by 3 at the half isn't a reason to bench his ass.
This was all planned up, and it sounded like the deciding factor was "If we're down at the half, he's coming out" type thing. McNabb deserved better, and the whole goddamned organization should take the blame.
I'd like to know how the players are feeling about this right now. Have they given up because they saw what a bunch of underhanded freaks these guys are, or do the get it kicked into gear to rally around McNabb (if he starts Thursday) or Kolb? Do they get ready to work for Reid now, or do they decide to play for themselves, and farg his fat ass?
This whole freaking situation has me out of sorts.
This smells like a Lurie/Banner move. It would explain why Andy didn't want to talk to McNabb - it wasn't his call.
Two first round picks. If a move is going to be made, it is going to be made this year. I still don't think it will be a head coaching change.
pedal to the metal
...straight into a brick wall.
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 24, 2008, 09:47:11 AM
espn is reporting that andy had private talks with the other coaches and banner/lurie earlier in the week about benching mcnabb
based on the bengals performance?
cause against the giants, despite the slow start, mcnabb played decent and again with no running game.
i think reid and company privately realized they are not a good team and that at this point of the season they need to see what kolb can do so they said if we are down at half lets put him in.
with 2 first round picks i really do not want reid in charge.
This means less than nothing, of course, but Spadaro keeps running the "coaches don't trust the o-line to run the ball" line on the EMB. I find that completely unbelievable but just for the sake of argument, let's say it's true. The offensive coaches actually think so little of the line that the only way they think they can win is to throw it 80% of the time?
What the hell?
If that isn't reason enough to fire the people in charge of selecting talent for this team, then I don't know what is.
Heckert needs to go, Reid needs to go and that's the end of the story.
Quote from: Magical_Retard on November 24, 2008, 10:55:18 AM
with 2 first round picks i really do not want reid in charge.
You'd have to think... in the event that Reid is fired, Philly would be somewhat of an enticing option, being that they'll get 2 1st rounders off the bat... and possibly a quality QB and RB to start off with for at least a year or two... among other things.
There are some quality pieces at this point scattered about on the team for a new coach to have some success with. Of course, I'm just dreaming as those players will just have to spend at least another year or two of their careers lost under Andy's gut.
This offensive line is 100% Andy Reid's. If he truly doens't 'trust' them to run the ball then he has no one to blame but himself and needs to die.
I want to personally thank Andy Reid for making me so angry every farging Monday that I waste a full sales day on CF
thanks buddy
Quote from: Rome on November 24, 2008, 11:00:47 AM
Heckert needs to go, Reid needs to go and that's the end of the story.
Amen. Amen. Amen.
There is no logic in this move at all. Hmmm stick with proven QB who is struggling or throw in Kolb who hasn;'t proven he even deserves to be in the league and call the SAME PLAYS. Are you kidding me? Was Lurie and the other coaches not scratching their heads? Is Reid that desperate to make such a move so it doesn't cost him HIS JOB? Is the FO that stupid?! This is going to be a example on where our owners values are in the team. I can't see them doing anything until the season ends, but McNabb is as good as done IMO. I do not agree with this at all...the easiest thing to do is change some play calling and see how the offense responds like what a normal team does. Or actually study the team you play and have a strategy in the play calling. I can't see how Reid is not the obvious problem to everyone. It's killing me
Quote from: EagleFeva on November 24, 2008, 11:02:50 AM
Quote from: Magical_Retard on November 24, 2008, 10:55:18 AM
with 2 first round picks i really do not want reid in charge.
You'd have to think... in the event that Reid is fired, Philly would be somewhat of an enticing option, being that they'll get 2 1st rounders off the bat... and possibly a quality QB and RB to start off with for at least a year or two... among other things.
There are some quality pieces at this point scattered about on the team for a new coach to have some success with. Of course, I'm just dreaming as those players will just have to spend at least another year or two of their careers lost under Andy's gut.
thats my optimistic point of view as well. but we all know mcnabb is gone. westbrook should demand a trade at this point.
i would love to see a proven head coach comes in here. someone who believes in both stopping the run and running the ball. and somoene who uses those 2 first round draft picks to pick talent, not projects or to trade further down.
and someone who does not value having 15million+ in cap space every offseason as some sort of achievement.
donovan's the starter thursday...just announced
Quote from: SunMo on November 24, 2008, 12:03:02 PMdonovan's the starter thursday...just announced
Jesus farg I hate Reid
so not only is he ruining mcnabb at this point but he wants to make sure kolb never gets off on the right foot?
he puts him in against the ravens D to try to come from behind but will not put him against the cardinals D?
wtf is wrong with this man.
if i am mcnabb i make sure during pregame warm ups i throw to boldin and fitz.
Quote from: Magical_Retard on November 24, 2008, 12:11:04 PMif i am mcnabb i make sure during pregame warm ups i throw to boldin and fitz.
yeah, and then during the game I make sure I throw to Rod Hood and Matt Ware
If the Eagles lose out the season does Reid get fired? I might be rooting against the team from here on out because this nonsensicle drama doesn't occur around a healthy well coached football team.
Cower for coach!!
Quote from: Diomedes on November 24, 2008, 12:13:14 PM
Quote from: Magical_Retard on November 24, 2008, 12:11:04 PMif i am mcnabb i make sure during pregame warm ups i throw to boldin and fitz.
yeah, and then during the game I make sure I throw to Rod Hood and Matt Ware
McNabb could throw to Ware all day and it wouldn't matter. That dumbass would have probably committed a penalty to negate the interception, if he even caught it
I was shocked that Reid pulled the plug on him yesterday. He certainly deserved to get some bench, but Reid should have told him himself.
And Donovan should absolutely be the QB on Thursday and the rest of the season. Hopefully the smack in the face he took yesterday will shake him out of his funk.
The real culprit here is Reid.
When he put Kolb in, against a defense like the Ravens no less, he pulled the SAME shtein as he does with McNabb...he made him throw like crazy. Run the ball and take pressure off the kid. But no, Andy put him out there coated in blood and raw meat and lets the wolves eat him alive.
Andy needs to go.
Hire Spagnuolo, keep Johnson as the DC and keep McNabb as the QB.
I don't get why anyone cares whether Reid told McNabb about the benching or not.
Are the same people that complain that he's been coddled his whole career, are now complaining that he didn't get special treatment?
I don't care who told McNabb he was benched...it was needed. Unfortunately you can't bench a head coach for a week too. The team is disgusting from top to bottom.
This team lost me yesterday...not for the benching (deserved)...and not for the playcalling (terrible)...but for the complete lack of team effort in the 2nd half. Once McNabb was benched the entire team gave up. That was inexcuseable and embarassing.
farg the entire roster.
Quote from: Phanatic on November 24, 2008, 12:17:34 PM
Cower for coach!!
No thanks.
There has never, in the history of the NFL, been a coach to win a Super Bowl with one team, leave, and then win it with another. Holmgren came close, as did Vermeil and Parcells, but no coach has ever won a SB with two different organizations.
I wouldn't mind seeing Fox from Carolina.
Quote from: Wingspan on November 24, 2008, 01:06:27 PM
Are the same people that complain that he's been coddled his whole career, are now complaining that he didn't get special treatment?
No. Both actions are bush league. Coddling a player for his entire career is laughable. Coddling him for his entire career and then benching him without even speaking directly to the man is a farging joke as well.
Quote from: rjs246 on November 24, 2008, 01:19:50 PM
Quote from: Wingspan on November 24, 2008, 01:06:27 PM
Are the same people that complain that he's been coddled his whole career, are now complaining that he didn't get special treatment?
No. Both actions are bush league. Coddling a player for his entire career is laughable. Coddling him for his entire career and then benching him without even speaking directly to the man is a farging joke as well.
So basically the answer to my question is "Yes"
This is not a top flight organization...it never was. This is the Philadelphia Eagles. The team that once gave a coach a "lifetime contract"...that promoted Rich Kotite over Jeff Fisher....that stuck with Ray Rhodes "for just one more year" after 6-9-1 instead of hiring Gruden...that players have bolted through their history...or have been embarassed to wear the logo on the sidelines (see Cunningham after he was benched).
This team is littered with 76 years of bad decisions...backstabbing players...horrible drafts...and ripping off fans. I can't think of any reason as to what would have led you to a different conclusion.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on November 24, 2008, 12:53:57 PM
Hire Spagnuolo, keep Johnson as the DC and keep McNabb as the QB.
Sure
No
Meh
Why the hell would you hire Spagnuolo but keep old man Johnson? Let Spagnuolo bring in some new blood. Don't fall in love with keeping Donovan. This team's going to go into all-out rebuilding mode soon, and you don't do that with an aging, expensive QB.
I wanted Kolb to start the rest of the season because he gives us the chance to get the lowest draft pick and they might as well see what they got. Thursday is going to be ugly, not only on the field, but the boo's cascading down from the crowd. Happy Thanksgiving.
Two teams that cannot run the ball to save their lives battling it out in an environment that is hostile towards both teams... Now that is Philadelphia football.
Jim Johnson's defense is about as antiquated as Reid's chuck & duck philosophy is stupid.
Fire everyone and start the hell over. Enough dilly-dallying already.
PS: LOL @ Reid starting Donovan on a night when the fans are going to be drunk as balls and literally screaming for blood. What a POS.
turkey dinner = more pregame yawns for #5
lmao
Spagnuolo runs the same defense as Johnson for the most part. Obviously it is a little different, but the same philosophy. So keeping him as the DC makes sense to me. Unless Spags would promote a guy like McDermott to run the exact scheme that he does. I'd be fine with that too.
I just want Reid gone. Thanks for 10 years, now get.
As for keeping McNabb...it makes sense to keep him and let him have a go with a new head coach.
He will likely be gone...and think about what he is going to do in Minnesota or Chicago next year with a team that has Peterson/Taylor or Forte and a commitment to the run.
Remember the last time the Eagles went with a new head coach and the veteran quarterback balked at the move?
Good times.
I really, really wish I could go to the game Thursday.
Quote from: rjs246 on November 24, 2008, 03:28:53 PM
I really, really wish I could sew about 7 middle fingers onto each of my hands and go to the game on Thursday.
the selection of players is a big thing too. i'd be curious to see how much JJ really wants "fastballs" or if he just has to deal with the hand he's dealt by heckert/reid giving him a de, making him play olb, a lb playing de, a de playing dt, then taking his dt away to play full back, sending lito a message by playing hanson over him, etc.
same thing goes for wr's. they're "happy" they don't have a go to wr bc that way they can spread the ball around. i believe the 1 year (or so) that mcnabb wasn't injured due to reids "all run long routes" offense was when someone named TO could get open and mcnabb didn't have to stand back and get shot after shot blasted into him.
or too busy drafting replacements instead of need (or even want for that matter)
the philosophy, on and off field has got to go and reid is the common denominator.
keep 5.
also, mentioned before i agree about 5 not calling audibles, true the walrus doesn't get plays in quick, but that definitely doesn't mean 5 should be let off the hook, he's at fault for that too. unless of course there's some reid's version of a gentleman's agreement that if he audibles and goes against the coach a la peyton manning, then he'd bench him or some shtein. hard to imagine, but possible.
farging reid.
These guys have a franchise QB with no one to throw too.
They plan ahead of time to bench that franchise QB for a backup with little to no experience when they don't even trust the o=line with the running game.
Classic Philly sports!!
They don't have a Franchise QB
A franchise QB can with at any time, and is always a threat. A franchise QB makes his team better.
McNabb was no franchise qb, he was franchised to death, but never shown that greatness that you saw in other traditional franchise qbs.
Hell I hate to say it...Eli Manning is the franchise Qb that McNabb never was. he did all of the things McNabb should have done, in less than half the time.
Quote from: Phanatic on November 24, 2008, 03:53:17 PM
These guys have a franchise QB with no one to throw too.
They plan ahead of time to bench that franchise QB for a backup with little to no experience when they don't even trust the o=line with the running game.
Well put, that's exactly the situation. It's so difficult for me to imagine how anyone,
anyone, could think this way, that I really can't shake the feeling that it's a long bad dream and I'm gonna wake up sometime. Who the hell thinks like this??
Quote from: Wingspan on November 24, 2008, 04:03:16 PM
They don't have a Franchise QB
etc.
Under almost any other coach, he's a franchise. Hell, as he is now he meets half your own criteria.
Quote from: Diomedes on November 24, 2008, 04:12:57 PM
Quote from: Wingspan on November 24, 2008, 04:03:16 PM
They don't have a Franchise QB
etc.
Under almost any other coach, he's a franchise. Hell, as he is now he meets half your own criteria.
Half is the operative word.
He steadily improved for about 4 years...and you can't not honestly say that he ever made any great strides after that time period, unfortunately he leveled off. Now, i put it on the coaches and administration for not admitting this and addressing it buy either changing the system to fit him, or bringing in better players to compliment him. But it remains that he never achieved that "Franchise QB" status.
He still a very good QB, and i think he'll move on and probably find success somewhere... as long as it is a coach that will make the adjustments to accommodate his shortcomings (see Ben Roethlisberger's superbowl win).
The one year they gave him a receiver worthy of his skill level he had a career year. And consider this... the POS playing opposite T.O. was frigging Freddie Mitchell (or Pinkston) yet McNabb still threw for 30 touchdowns.
It's infuriating watching a great player like McNabb get screwed his entire career by a fat know-nothing clown like Reid.
We are Eagles fans, though, so we should be used to this by now.
See: Cunningham, Randall, White, Reggie, etc. etc. . .
QuoteIt's infuriating watching a great player like McNabb get screwed his entire career by a fat know-nothing clown like Reid.
Eli has people to throw too. He makes mistakes and there's other players on the team who pick up the slack. McNabb makes mistakes and its the end of the offense till he gets it going again. What pisses me off even more is that the Eagles have one of the best running backs in the game and he's never used by the coaches properly becaus the 'o-line' can't handle the run? The o-line can handle the run just fine if the whole world doesn't know the play you just called you fat farg head corksucker farg!
I don't care how improtant the QB position is. The sun should not rise and set on the shoulders of one guy. This team considered James farging Thrash a true number 1 receiver and as far as I'm concerned its all on the Reid. He's never put his 'guy' in a position to truly win outside of one year and that farger turned out to be a complete nut job. :boom
We are Philly fans We are farged!
Go Phillies!
Quote from: Rome on November 24, 2008, 04:36:25 PM
The one year they gave him a receiver worthy of his skill level he had a career year. And consider this... the POS playing opposite T.O. was frigging Freddie Mitchell (or Pinkston) yet McNabb still threw for 30 touchdowns.
It's infuriating watching a great player like McNabb get screwed his entire career by a fat know-nothing clown like Reid.
We are Eagles fans, though, so we should be used to this by now.
See: Cunningham, Randall, White, Reggie, etc. etc. . .
McNabb and TO broke fanchise records in that one year.
Quote from: Wingspan on November 24, 2008, 04:03:16 PM
They don't have a Franchise QB
A franchise QB can with at any time, and is always a threat. A franchise QB makes his team better.
McNabb was no franchise qb, he was franchised to death, but never shown that greatness that you saw in other traditional franchise qbs.
Hell I hate to say it...Eli Manning is the franchise Qb that McNabb never was. he did all of the things McNabb should have done, in less than half the time.
im sorry but ELI has better weapons at every skill position (maybe minus westbrook but thats more about proper use of the RBs) and a better coach than McNabb.
he also has a better defense.
McNabb only leveled off only after TO was gone and he kept getting hurt. why reid decided to revert back to mediocre WRs after he saw what TO did for McNabb and the offense is the most baffling part of this whole puzzle.
It's not surprising at all that Reid would revert back to the Reggie Browns and Kevin Curtis's of the world after T.O. left because T.O. single-handedly proved that Reid's almighty system was bullshtein. Reid is so arrogant he actually believes that shuffling garbage in and out is preferable to getting a star receiver that the quarterback can rely on. It's astounding, really, especially considering he's been proven wrong every single year he's been in Philly.
I can't imagine what Donovan could have accomplished if Reid had simply gone out and gotten him a Larry Fitzgerald at some point early in his career.
I can imagine all the puking.
Establish and utilize a running game, and McNabb (and maybe even his current receivers) could look pretty farging good. Maybe not SB good, but competitive. Reid is the farging problem, McNabb isn't. But boy does he get a lion's share of the blame.
Sure, he's got sand in the vagina, he's more weak willed than most women on Paxil. But Reid farged this team, not McNabb. They were good despite Reid, largely because McNabb compensated for his coach's idiocy when the physical skills were still there.
good article on the situation from a non philly reporter:
http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d80cc5aeb&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true
QuoteThat life preserver Andy Reid just tossed to Donovan McNabb might have helped keep the quarterback afloat if it were equipped with a couple of vibrant receivers, steadfast pass protection and a commitment to balance the Eagles offense.
It was not.
So, the McNabb trek will likely pick up where it left off with this quarterback in a state of football flux -- his team, too -- spiraling downward and steaming toward a split. Soon. Very soon.
It is nearly impossible to imagine that McNabb is going to be the Eagles quarterback beyond these five games remaining. It's likely he will be pulled again, benched again, before the Eagles exit this middling, 5-5-1 season full of broken promise and hope.
Reid explained that he benched McNabb after the first half on Sunday against the Ravens to light a spark. When McNabb left, the Eagles trailed, 10-7. In his absence, the score was 26-0 Ravens. The 36-7 drubbing was beyond a wakeup call for the Eagles. But they are broken and look beyond repair. At least for these next five games.
Curiously, Reid also said he instructed quarterback coach Pat Shurmur to tell McNabb he was being benched at halftime. Reid said he was busy finishing all of the tasks a head coach must complete at halftime. In the same news conference setting, Reid also said that he knows McNabb "better than anyone in this room."
And if that is the case, after 10 years of being joined in controversy, battle and shining moments, Reid might not know the quarterback as well as he thinks. Hard to imagine that McNabb took the approach as nothing else but cowardly. He said his first reaction when told by Shurmur was, "Wow." The "Wow" was likely as much for the send-a-messenger approach as much for the benching.
The guy was obviously stung.
It has been this way for him in Philadelphia from the start, from the moment he was drafted in 1999 and booed by Eagles fans. McNabb proved to be a better draft pick than Ricky Williams, whom many Eagles fans preferred, or quarterbacks Tim Couch, Akili Smith or Cade McNown. McNabb has always had one part of him in harmony and another in discord in Philadelphia. There is an undercurrent of leeriness there on both sides. It has been there all along.
Four NFC Championship games, a Super Bowl appearance and five Pro Bowl berths by McNabb have not been enough to heal and mend and grow an unbreakable bond. Eagles fans have long given him the business. He has given it back. In the end, he usually had the final answer -- he was easily a top-five NFL quarterback in style and in production.
Now that his game is slipping, crumbling as the Eagles offense around him crumbles, the howling is intense. The benching a byproduct. All of this with an Eagles offense that ranks ninth in points scored, ninth in yards, fifth in passing, and ... a lousy 26th in rushing.
That is a quarterback killer.
The Eagles have run the ball 260 times this season, but their opponents have run it 316 times. The Eagles have passed the ball 432 times and their opponents have thrown it 356 times. It is an out-of-whack offense, an imbalanced offense that demands that McNabb do more with less.
Dallas' receiving corps includes Terrell Owens and Roy Williams. The Giants include Plaxico Burress and Amani Toomer. Washington features Santana Moss and Antwaan Randle El. These are the talents the Eagles are trying to beat in the NFC East while rolling out a crew of receivers who are not in that stratosphere. Maybe rookie DeSean Jackson can get there, but not much more among the current Eagles group.
This has eaten away privately at McNabb, the idea that he is being asked to produce in a system that rarely has complemented his abilities with an abundance of playmakers. Many personnel people in this league believe that McNabb has had a successful 10-year career in spite of the parts around him, not because of them.
I do not see McNabb repeating his horrible first half against the Ravens (8-for-18 for 59 yards with two interceptions and a lost fumble) on Thanksgiving night against Arizona. For his sake, in front of the brutal Eagles fans, let's hope ugliness is avoided. But I do not see McNabb surviving with the Eagles beyond this season. This is a final dance here and the feet on all sides will likely continue to tangle. All of the ingredients point to more misery. Maybe even another eventual benching.
McNabb might draw interest from Cincinnati ????? , Detroit, Houston, Kansas City, Minnesota, St. Louis, San Francisco, Tampa Bay, Chicago and even the Jets if Brett Favre makes it a one-and-done deal.
McNabb is back, Reid says. McNabb is the starter again. Until he is benched again. It is coming. Clearly. That life preserver Reid tossed is full of holes. From the moment the Eagles spent a second-round pick on quarterback Kevin Kolb in 2007, the clock was ticking. This insufferable season has sped the dials.
McNabb is scheduled to give his spin on it all Tuesday. It is his birthday. He turns 32. Happy Birthday, Donovan. Make a wish.
really? cinci might go for him? why?
Happy Birthday Donovan!
This is my birthday gift to him
(http://us.st12.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/buyinprivate_2028_216959303)
I don't know. I read that article above and I think the sand in his vadge was put there by Andy Reid. They guys got a legit beef and it's surprising he hasn't been more disruptive.
or did reid pick him for that reason?
he is clearly the best QB from that draft class of 99 but i think a big part of deciding to pick mcnabb was his attitude. very coach-able but also very loyal/non confrontational.
Despite the fact that most of the problems are Reid's fault, I hate articles like that which basically absolve Donovan of his major sucking-of-ass. McNabb's been brutal. He's had time. He's had opportunities. He hasn't made the throws.
Quote from: FastFreddie on November 25, 2008, 01:32:30 PM
Despite the fact that most of the problems are Reid's fault, I hate articles like that which basically absolve Donovan of his major sucking-of-ass. McNabb's been brutal. He's had time. He's had opportunities. He hasn't made the throws.
Receivers have also dropped a lot of balls, reminiscent of the Days of Thrash and Pinkston. Don't get me wrong, though, it is odd that it took him ten years in the league to learn to throw the ball away instead of taking the sack. That's probably moreso attributable to him not wanting to get hit anymore than to actually learning something.
However, my position is fire the entire coaching staff immediately and keep McNabb
Receivers have dropped a bunch, and they often have to work hard to catch the ones they get (changing direction when he throws a bullet behind them, etc).
McNabb has been part of the problem, period. If he's made the scapegoat, it's wrong. If his performance is just attributed to bad coaching and bad receivers, it's wrong.
Your face is wrong.
Oh snap.
i don't care who's wrong as long as i get to see more clips of mcnabb yawning on the sidelines while wearing a gigantic oven mitt.
I want him to wipe his sniffling nose with that oven mitt during his next presser so all the media guys will laugh at him
Jon Ritchie just destroyed Reid on ESPN First Take.
Talked about Reid is nothing more than a delegator and that there's a real disconnect between him and the players. He basically said that Reid is clueless and should be gone next year.
Also suggested that Lurie is a good guy and a good owner but that things have gotten stale in Philly and despite the fact that he's been gone for three years, whenever he watches the Eagles on offense he knows what's coming next, so that tells him that Reid has to go.
He also supported Donovan pretty strongly which is kinda surprising, but then again, players usually know more about what's going on on their former teams than anyone else.
Good for him. farg Reid, it needs to happen. There is a ton of shtein coming out now, and i hope it keeps coming.
Things are going so well for the Reid family these days
The fact that more stuff like this is coming out does not bode Reid, that hopefully is good thing for us as fans. This team does appear on the verge of completely quitting on him.
I think the veterans have had enough of his act and the younger players are just following suit. You could see the quit in them on Sunday and that's something that I never thought I'd ever see from this group, especially Dawk, Tra & Runyan.
What a sad way for three warriors like them to end their careers.
eat shtein for using the term 'warrior' to describe millionaire athletes, Rome
Gladiators is a better term.
Quote from: Diomedes on November 26, 2008, 11:15:16 AM
eat shtein for using the term 'warrior' to describe millionaire athletes, Rome
A millionaire athlete at one time... and his name is officially "Warrior" now.
(http://graysmatter.codivation.com/content/binary/UltimateWarriorArmTassels.jpg)
good for ritchie. the majority of the media is still on reid's balls and thinks his record his earned him a few bad season....but then they turn around and claim mcnabb's record in the past should not be used to NOT bench him or get rid of him.
besides wilbon i do not see anyone in the media really call out reid.
Quote from: Rome on November 26, 2008, 10:42:34 AM
Jon Ritchie just destroyed Reid on ESPN First Take.
Talked about Reid is nothing more than a delegator and that there's a real disconnect between him and the players. He basically said that Reid is clueless and should be gone next year.
Also suggested that Lurie is a good guy and a good owner but that things have gotten stale in Philly and despite the fact that he's been gone for three years, whenever he watches the Eagles on offense he knows what's coming next, so that tells him that Reid has to go.
He also supported Donovan pretty strongly which is kinda surprising, but then again, players usually know more about what's going on on their former teams than anyone else.
link? I would really like to read/see that.
Good for Ritchie.
When three teams say that they know whats coming from the offense in three consecutive weeks, you know there is a major problem. Especially when one of them is the goddamn Cincinnati Bengals.
Keep piling on Reid....I hope it finally causes Lurie to make a call.
What'll happen is that he will resign though. He'll be fired, but it will be made to look like a resignation. Which is fine with me.
Ends justify the means, as far as I'm concerned. I still think napalm's a better solution though.
Feed him to starving Ethiopians for all I care... just get him the farg away from my football team.
Quote from: Rome on November 26, 2008, 07:19:50 PM
Feed him to starving Ethiopians for all I care... just get him the farg away from my football team.
You know, that might just qualify as twofer for the Reid's - Mormon missionary work and solving world hunger problems for, like what, three years or so?...kinda dovetails into that holiday giving thing, too.
FYI, Jamie Dukes and Rod Woodson had a great discussion about the Eagles last night on NFL Network, basically they said that if Eagles fans think getting rid of McNabb will help the situation any, they're "a bunch of idiots". They said that McNabb was having problems, but placed most of the blame on Reid and said he (Reid) has to go for anything to improve in Philly. The comparison was made that Peyton Manning has three #1 draft picks to throw to, and Tom Brady has a future Hall of Famer and Wes Welker, who'd be a #1/#2 WR on any team in the league. Other than one year with Owens (his best year BTW) who has McNabb had? They are also on teams that actually make an effort to run the ball and take pressure off of the QB. Woodson finished by saying that he'd love for McNabb to leave next year and take another team to the Super Bowl, while Reid and the Eagles fight for the 1st pick in the draft for several years.
I'd love for Rod Woodson to get hit by a bus.
McNabb does not have big games against quality opponents anymore. Reid is by far a bigger problem, but all these ex-players and commentators are going too easy on Donovan by comparison.
Anyone want to bet that Donovan will win a Super Bowl? I would love to take your money.
In other words Woodson is saying the exact same shtein that every Eagls fan with a brain has been saying for 3+ seasons. Super.
Pretty sure no Eagls fan hopes McNabb leaves and wins a Super Bowl elsewhere. Maybe IGY but no one else.
Hopes are a lot different than wagers.
Quote from: NC_Eagle on November 27, 2008, 08:53:22 AM
FYI, Jamie Dukes and Rod Woodson had a great discussion about the Eagles last night on NFL Network, basically they said that if Eagles fans think getting rid of McNabb will help the situation any, they're "a bunch of idiots". They said that McNabb was having problems, but placed most of the blame on Reid and said he (Reid) has to go for anything to improve in Philly. The comparison was made that Peyton Manning has three #1 draft picks to throw to, and Tom Brady has a future Hall of Famer and Wes Welker, who'd be a #1/#2 WR on any team in the league. Other than one year with Owens (his best year BTW) who has McNabb had? They are also on teams that actually make an effort to run the ball and take pressure off of the QB. Woodson finished by saying that he'd love for McNabb to leave next year and take another team to the Super Bowl, while Reid and the Eagles fight for the 1st pick in the draft for several years.
Marshall Faulk and Dieon Sanders had pretty much the same conversation. They vehemently disagreed with Reid's move to bench Dmac. Basically, they laid the problems with the Eagles at the feet of Reid, although they did point out the fact that Dmac is only one game over .500 since taking the Eagles to the Superbowl.
QuoteWoodson finished by saying that he'd love for McNabb to leave next year and take another team to the Super Bowl, while Reid and the Eagles fight for the 1st pick in the draft for several years.
This could very well happen. What I'd really like to see is a new coach with a playbook that isn't 70% pass plays. This ain't the 90's. The WCO is done. Teams have the personel now and know what to look for to stop teams that don't run the ball to set up the pass. The game has passed Reid by, he's stale. A change would be good for everyone.
I don't hope that McNabb wins a SB elsewhere, smart stuff. I was talking about his analysis of the situation...
those who say fans are idiots for wanting mcnabb out and that its all on reid are just as extreme as those analysts who say its all mcnabb's fault and fans are idiots for wanting reid out.
its both of them but reid more so. maybe if reid can find a QB who fits this system this team could be good. or if mcnabb is retained and a coach who builds the team around running the ball and things mcnabb does well they could be good.
If Reid is retained and McNabb is cut, I absolutely hope McNabb wins a Super Bowl wherever he goes. Ideally, he would win it the very next year and Reid's Eagles would suck the entire season.
If that happens I'll be running errands during the Super Bowl.
If the Eagles established some balance on offense, McNabb would look a lot better no question.
Sure, he's past his expiration date. So's Warner, who'll be kicking our favorite team's ass tonight on national television. It is the system that matters, and Reid's sucks.
Quote from: MadMarchHare on November 27, 2008, 04:32:44 PM
If the Eagles established some balance on offense, McNabb would look a lot better no question.
Sure, he's past his expiration date. So's Warner, who'll be kicking our favorite team's ass tonight on national television. It is the system that matters, and Reid's sucks.
Last primetime win - December 25,
2006 - but hey, who's counting...
Fluff piece! (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?id=3730982)
I stopped reading pretty early in this one:
QuotePHILADELPHIA -- On Thanksgiving, Donovan McNabb had the choice of becoming the toast of Lincoln Financial Field or the holiday turkey.
Philadelphia is known as the city of brotherly love, but too often that love is conditional.
Ask Allen Iverson, Charles Barkley, or even Santa Claus, who hasn't returned around these parts since he was booed and pelted by snowballs 40 years ago.
Done.
Welcome back, 5.
That is why he doesn't need to go anywhere. And anyone who thought he was done....you're an idiot. McNabb has a lot of football left in him.
He wants to stay in Philly.
I caught the post game interview on the NFL Net set (where Deion was telling the people cheering for Mac to shut up, that they were stupid and he hated Philly fans) and he said him and Andy and "other in the organization" will sit down and clear the air and he wants to stay in Philly.
Oh, and to the farging dumbshteins who booed him after his first INC pass....I hope you choke on your turkey.
He had a fairly good game against an average-at-best defense missing one of their starting corners.
It was nice to see him not suck, but slow your roll.
Fairly good game? 4 TD's, 70% completions, 122 passer rating. What the farg else do you want. Do you actually want him to throw more? Last night was an offensive peak into how good the offense can be if they commit to the run. Plain and simple. Takes pressure of McNabb, who we all know is not the QB he used to be, but still is a top QB. He's just not good enough for the fans of Philly apparently. I'm extremely proud of his performance
Yeah, but his late game, cut-up hi-jinks on the sidelines wearing his suzy-homeaker easy-bake oven mitts was infuriating to me for some reason..."Hi guys, I'm back from sulking"...
Run the table, and I'll be impressed. Even those with glass jaws land a roundhouse every now and then.
Quote from: mussa on November 28, 2008, 11:17:49 AM
Fairly good game? 4 TD's, 70% completions, 122 passer rating. What the farg else do you want. Do you actually want him to throw more? Last night was an offensive peak into how good the offense can be if they commit to the run. Plain and simple. Takes pressure of McNabb, who we all know is not the QB he used to be, but still is a top QB. He's just not good enough for the fans of Philly apparently. I'm extremely proud of his performance
How many throws did he make that were amazingly great? Was he hitting guys 15-20 yards away in stride?
Let's just say I've seen McNabb even more on his game than he was last night.
Quote from: JackStraw on November 28, 2008, 11:51:44 AM
Yeah, but his late game, cut-up hi-jinks on the sidelines wearing his suzy-homeaker easy-bake oven mitts was infuriating to me for some reason..."Hi guys, I'm back from sulking"...
Run the table, and I'll be impressed. Even those with glass jaws land a roundhouse every now and then.
but what did you want him to do? just stand there?
I kinda prefer the off-to-the-end-of-the-bench sitting down with elbows on knees and a Gatorade towel draped over his head pose.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on November 28, 2008, 07:38:09 AM
Welcome back, 5.
That is why he doesn't need to go anywhere. And anyone who thought he was done....you're an idiot. McNabb has a lot of football left in him.
He wants to stay in Philly.
I caught the post game interview on the NFL Net set (where Deion was telling the people cheering for Mac to shut up, that they were stupid and he hated Philly fans) and he said him and Andy and "other in the organization" will sit down and clear the air and he wants to stay in Philly.
Oh, and to the farging dumbshteins who booed him after his first INC pass....I hope you choke on your turkey.
If I recall, his first incompletion was also the first three and out of the game. One yard pickup, sack, incomplete. The booing was for the return of piss-poor playcalling, not McNabb's incompletion.
Some of you fargers are unbelievable.
You're only saying that because it's true.
.500 is no way to go thru life
You're all a bunch of sour-pusses. I loved the game, and I'll continue loving it. Donovan looked great - don't sit around your circle-jerk-of-hate and come up with reasons why this wasn't great to see.
I already clearly outlined why it wasn't great to see sucka.
Seeing what they were able to do last night pisses me off even more now because (1) I'm sober and (2) because that is exactly what they're capable of if the fat douchebag would simply commit to running the ball more. They were 50/50 in offensive play-calling and miracle of miracles they put 48 farging points on the board.
Yeah, it was Arizona and whatever but so what? All the dick has to do is run the ball and that is what happens.
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 28, 2008, 05:40:18 PM
.500 is no way to go thru life
Exactly, after the Bengals and Ravens games, I could give two pinches of owl shtein for how good he did against the Cardinals. It means absolutly nothing. They are still going to lose to the Giants, Cowboys and taterskins.
Quote from: Rome on November 28, 2008, 09:19:34 PMThey were 50/50 in offensive play-calling and miracle of miracles they put 48 farging points on the board.
they were 50/50 only because it was a blowout. And even with the game well in the bag Reid was calling passes late in the game. Also, McNabb scrambled 4 times, those were most certainly passes.
this game was a typical Andy Reid win. Everything went his way from the beginning and for the whole stretch. He didn't have to change anything at all. It was to him an affirmation that the system works. I could practically see the "Mission Accomplished" banner behind him at the presser.
Quote from: shorebird on November 29, 2008, 07:58:29 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 28, 2008, 05:40:18 PM
.500 is no way to go thru life
Exactly, after the Bengals and Ravens games, I could give two pinches of owl shtein for how good he did against the Cardinals. It means absolutly nothing. They are still going to lose to the Giants, Cowboys and taterskins.
I think they'll win 2 of the next 4 games, against the Browns and probaby the Skins. Finish up the season at 8-7-1, a whole half game better than last season!
Quote from: Diomedes on November 29, 2008, 08:40:18 AM
Quote from: Rome on November 28, 2008, 09:19:34 PMThey were 50/50 in offensive play-calling and miracle of miracles they put 48 farging points on the board.
they were 50/50 only because it was a blowout. And even with the game well in the bag Reid was calling passes late in the game. Also, McNabb scrambled 4 times, those were most certainly passes.
this game was a typical Andy Reid win. Everything went his way from the beginning and for the whole stretch. He didn't have to change anything at all. It was to him an affirmation that the system works. I could practically see the "Mission Accomplished" banner behind him at the presser.
First drive plays:
QuotePhiladelphia Eagles at 15:00, (1st play from scrimmage 14:56) ARI PHI
1st and 10 at PHI 30 (14:56) D.McNabb pass short right to J.Avant to PHI 36 for 6 yards (A.Rolle).
2nd and 4 at PHI 36 (14:19) (Shotgun) B.Westbrook up the middle to PHI 42 for 6 yards (K.Dansby).
1st and 10 at PHI 42 (13:59) B.Westbrook up the middle to PHI 45 for 3 yards (C.Okeafor).
2nd and 7 at PHI 45 (13:03) (Shotgun) D.McNabb pass short right to J.Avant to ARZ 46 for 9 yards (D.Rodgers-Cromartie).
1st and 10 at ARZ 46 (12:25) D.McNabb pass short left to H.Baskett to ARZ 41 for 5 yards (R.Brown) [A.Smith].
2nd and 5 at ARZ 41 (11:45) B.Westbrook left tackle to ARZ 37 for 4 yards (A.Rolle).
3rd and 1 at ARZ 37 (11:19) K.Eckel up the middle to ARZ 35 for 2 yards (G.Hayes; D.Rodgers-Cromartie).
1st and 10 at ARZ 35 (10:37) D.McNabb scrambles right end ran ob at ARZ 33 for 2 yards.
2nd and 8 at ARZ 33 (10:07) B.Westbrook up the middle to ARZ 24 for 9 yards (A.Wilson).
1st and 10 at ARZ 24 (9:24) D.McNabb pass short right to K.Curtis to ARZ 11 for 13 yards (A.Rolle).
1st and 10 at ARZ 11 (8:43) D. Jackson lined up as Quarterback. D.Jackson right guard to ARZ 5 for 6 yards (A.Rolle).
First drive: 6 runs, 5 passes and that doesn't include Donovan's scramble, which, like it or not, counts as a rush. And If Donovan ran the ball more they'd be even more effective because opposing defenses would be concerned with him taking off like he used to previously.
Dio's assessment was spot on. How can anyone argue with it? Everything went their way from beginning to end. No need for adjustment at all. Stop arguing for no reason when you all know he's right.
The Eagles played great on Thursday. They ran it well, they passed it well, but there's no reason to celebrate the win. WE MUST BE MISERABLE ABOUT IT!
Sig heil!
Name one thing that this win accomplished. One.
worse draft position?
It added to your existential angst.
a silver lining!
Quote from: rjs246 on November 29, 2008, 09:22:14 AM
Name one thing that this win accomplished. One.
I was able to cheer the Eagles, which confirms to me that my feelings are more important than anyone else's.
Ha. Word.
brand new dad of twins (http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/sports/football/eagles/McNabb-Twins.html)
If he wasn't so bitchmade and mentally weak, he would've had triplets.
if he was as fiery as garcia he would have gotten pregnant himself.
With poop babies.
Doesn't think benching helped him (http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/20081212_Eagles_-_Eagles_QB_McNabb_says_benching_didn_t_help_him_regroup.html)
Bwahahaha,. Poop babies
Kolb era (http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/99-12182008-1640020.html) put on back burner.
QuoteMcNabb has been brilliant since his benching, completing nearly 70 percent of his passes with seven touchdowns and one interception in wins over the Cardinals, Giants and Browns.
QuoteHe's completed 61 percent of his passes, well above his career average of 59 percent. He's on pace for a franchise record of 4,012 passing yards. Four more TD passes would give him the second-highest total of his career.
But........the benching didin't help him??
QuoteKolb has thrown an interception for a touchdown in his last two appearances, and his 21.8 passer rating now stands as the lowest by an Eagles quarterback with 30 or more pass attempts since George Mira had a 19.6 back in 1969.
Another wasted pick by Reid??
not to take anything away from mcnabb cause he has been nice but ill save my effusive praise for games not against arizona and cleveland...come out and beat dallas in a meaningful final game and ill rim him
^True^. And not just the Cowboys, I'm not taking the taterskins for granted no matter how bad they have looked. Eagles vs taterskins are usually always close games.
Still, I think McNabb is fired up, and in hindsight after seeing the way he has played since, the benching might have been a good thing.
racists can eat a fleshpop and will lose by at least two touchdowns
Quote from: shorebird on December 18, 2008, 08:09:24 AM
Kolb era (http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/99-12182008-1640020.html) put on back burner.
QuoteMcNabb has been brilliant since his benching, completing nearly 70 percent of his passes with seven touchdowns and one interception in wins over the Cardinals, Giants and Browns.
QuoteHe's completed 61 percent of his passes, well above his career average of 59 percent. He's on pace for a franchise record of 4,012 passing yards. Four more TD passes would give him the second-highest total of his career.
But........the benching didin't help him??
QuoteKolb has thrown an interception for a touchdown in his last two appearances, and his 21.8 passer rating now stands as the lowest by an Eagles quarterback with 30 or more pass attempts since George Mira had a 19.6 back in 1969.
Another wasted pick by Reid??
Definitely. A shot-gun QB. I have seen nothing from him that makes me think he is an NFL QB. When you see Flacco, Ryan, Cutler, you can just see they have "it".
i know what they dont have....a noodle arm
I agree, even with the loss to the Steelers last week, Flacco still looks like he has "it". Kolb wishes he had half the cannon arm Flacco does.
I know we'll all be rooting for Flacco this week. He's got the ability to burn the Cowboys defense.
Go Go Flacco!!
Wacko for Flacko!
Sobs for Kolb!
Are you all that retarded and buying into this "benching must of really helped Donovan, Reid is a genius idea the national media has created"?
Get a god damn clue and look at the stats. They have run the ball successfully, thats it. They changed their play calling, somewhat(at least in Cardinals and Giants game, got a little pass happy vs Browns). This has taken enormous pressure off of McNabb. It's opened up the pass game. It's thrown a wrench in most teams game plans, cause Reid is the most pass happy coach in NFL history.
The benching didn't prove one damn thing other than Reid took his blind failures of a head coach out on McNabb and then threw an unproven inbred Kolb into the frying pan without changing anything vs the Ravens
It proves Reid is the problem in Philly. It proves Kolb is not even close to being a starter and shouldn't even be mentioned.
Did you just go ahead and assume that the majority of :CF is buying into what the media's shoveling?
Slow your roll, buddy. Pretty sure most people here still want to see Reid get 86'd.
Quote from: mussa on December 18, 2008, 11:09:45 AM
Are you all that retarded and buying into this "benching must of really helped Donovan, Reid is a genius idea the national media has created"?
Get a god damn clue and look at the stats.
Yes I am looking at the stats. McNabb has done great since he was benched. And they ran the ball successfully one game, the Giants game, since he was benched. One game.
I'd say 99.9% of people here want Reid gone, me included. Still, it's not like every move he makes is wrong. The Eagles would not be in contention for a playoff spot if that was the case.
The Eagles would not be in contention for a playoff spot if more than two teams in the NFC were playing well right now.
I want Reid to get a three year extension like Joe Pa.
Quote from: shorebird on December 18, 2008, 11:48:02 AM
Quote from: mussa on December 18, 2008, 11:09:45 AM
Are you all that retarded and buying into this "benching must of really helped Donovan, Reid is a genius idea the national media has created"?
Get a god damn clue and look at the stats.
And they ran the ball successfully one game, the Giants game, since he was benched. One game.
WRONG
*edited in the Browns
*Browns - 33 for 136. Buckhalter the top rusher for 58. McNabb 35 attempts. Not as much rushing, but against the Browns not a problem - Win
Arizona - 40 rushing attempts for 188 yards. 22 rushes for 110 and 2 TDs by Westbrook. McNabb attempted 39 passes - WIN
Giants - 42 times for 149...33 attempts by Westbrook for 131 and 1 TD. McNabb attempted 30 passes - WIN
Ravens game - 21 rushes attempted...14 by Westbrook. - LOSS
Bengals - 18 rushes. 14 by westbrook. McNabb 58 passes attempts - LOSS
Giants - 21 attempts for 106 total - LOSS
When they run they always have a chance to win. I don't think beating the Giants was a walk in the park. They are defending champions, distracted or not it was a major win for the Birds and proof that when we run, we win.
The hell are you two arguing about?
McNabb has played very well since getting benched. But running the ball and having a balanced attack helps as well.,
Its why he's doing so well and the team is doing so well. They are controlling the clock, the defense is playing great because they are not on the field all game. It's letting our mediocre receivers get open. It's 100% reason why the team and McNabb is playing better.
Running the ball is not helping him see receivers better or make better throws and decisions with the ball, none of which he was doing prior to getting his ass sat down.
Of course it does, it puts the ball in Westbrooks hands more and absolutly takes pressure off McNabb. He's not a 40 + passing QB...and look at his receivers....would you want him throwing that much with mediocre talent? Is it really that hard to understand? EVERYONE knows the Eagles pass, this is why we've been the team we are since the super bowl. Nothing has changed with McNabb at the helm, nothing, until now. Look at the stats from a few weeks back, when they run the ball 30+ times a game they are what 50-8 since 2000(not exact stats, but you get the point, I hope).
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 18, 2008, 02:28:39 PM
The hell are you two arguing about?
McNabb has played very well since getting benched. But running the ball and having a balanced attack helps as well.,
Heh, I'm not arguing about anything. I just said McNabb has played lights out since being benched. The three games prior, New York, Cinncinnati and Baltimore, he sucked. His completion rate wasn't even over 50%. He had 6 int's in those three games, and thats especially uncharacteristic of him.
Everyone here knows Reid needs to balance the offense for the Eagles to win, but that doesn't change the fact that before being benched McNabb was playing terrible.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 18, 2008, 02:35:00 PM
Running the ball is not helping him see receivers better or make better throws and decisions with the ball
playing arizona and cleveland secondaries helped
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 18, 2008, 03:37:34 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 18, 2008, 02:35:00 PM
Running the ball is not helping him see receivers better or make better throws and decisions with the ball
playing arizona and cleveland secondaries helped
That's just crazy talk!
http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/keep-mcnabb.html (http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/keep-mcnabb.html)
:paranoid
In.
2nd.
What's the alternative? Kolb?
Kolb + Reid = 3 wins in 2009.
3 wins will probably be enough for the second pick in the draft. Maybe they'll find their real McNabb replacement. Or, you know, a defensive lineman.
YES!! More lineman!
Quote"I think I've played great," McNabb said. "I don't look at the stats aspect of it, but if you do, it is better than it has been in years. Offensively, we've been able to do some good things and some things that, obviously, we would love to change. I don't regret any of the things I've done this year and look to do better in this game coming up."
Nothing says "great" like an 8-6-1 record.
But hey, who's counting, right?
Hey, when called on to pass 75% of the time to Jason Avant and Hank Baskett, he's done average. Can you ask for any better?
But Avant is the new Chad Johnson!
We should be so lucky!
McNabb should stay because..
McNabb should go because.....
link (http://www.philly.com/dailynews/sports/columnists/20081226_Paul_Domowitch__Why_Eagles__McNabb_should_stay_and_why_he_should_go.html)
QuoteHe needs to stay, because if he goes someplace else, you just know he will lead them to a Super Bowl.
He needs to go because, as much as he claims to be a leader, he's really not. Very good quarterback? Yes. Leader? No
He needs to go because all the idiots that want him gone deserve to suffer through a era of Kevin Kolb to realize what they'd be missing.
He needs to stay because all the fans who want Andy Reid fired realize that he has been overused, asked to do too much, not given any real weapons and has virtually carried this offense on his back for ten years.
He needs to stay, because there is no better option available to the team for the foreseeable future.
He needs to go, because he's infuriating under pressure and when the game's on the line.
He needs to stay, because he's capable of making all the throws.
He needs to go, because he'll miss the easy ones as much as the hard ones.
He needs to stay, because getting rid of him without getting rid of Andy would be a very bad way to start rebuilding the team.
He needs to go, because Reid will go also to signal a full scale rebuild of the team.
Kevin Kolb = Bobby Hoying.
I'd be happy to suffer through a year of Kolb because it would mean two things... first, Reid would be fired for allowing Donovan to walk away and second, Kolb would be cut for monumentally sucking by the new head coach.
you'd be retarded to move 5.
andy reid makes or breaks the offense. when his (or marty's) playcalling isn't retarded they win. if andy reid doesn't pick retarded players, they win.
andy reid is the driver of the offense, he has a pretty nice car, but he puts it in 1st gear and just floors it. doesn't matter what other parts the car does or doesn't have if you're just ripping the transmission and engine out of it.
no idea why i just made a car analogy.
It's because you miss Andy Studebaker.
He went to the shop for repair and never came back.
84 yds short of 4000 for the season
He's no Drew Brees, that's for sure.
By the way Lurie ran over and hugged McNabb near the end of the 4th quarter, you think his option is picked up..hmmm.
I thought the same thing, especially when he completely ignored Lito
The Eagles set a single season record and for points scored at 416.
McNabb also broke his own franchise-record for passing yards in a season at 3,916.
they had five losses (or ties) to non playoff teams including getting swept by the last place team in their own division and still made the playoffs
how effing bad is the nfl?
i said when it happened that the cincy tie would help them get in the playoffs if it came to that because these days less losses is much more important than more wins and thats what ended up happening
league sucks
GO PARITY!!
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 29, 2008, 11:41:07 AMi said when it happened that...
Hank Baskett can't get open in the NFL
and he still cant...but he can catch a ball and hes an outstanding blocker and because of that hell always have a nice niche in the league
if he had any speed whatsoever that would allow him to get open he would be a damn good wr...of course thats why he wasnt drafted
He's also banging a Playboy bimbo.
Nice piece by Screamin' A on McNabb (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs2008/columns/story?id=3798346)
QuoteMcNabb, presumably, will remain in Philadelphia after all. And all this whining about whether or not he should still be wearing Eagles' green once the 2009 season rolls around should evaporate just as quickly as any credibility Tony Romo supposedly had as a big-time quarterback.
LOL @ Dallas
That wasn't a nice piece at all. SAS is an idiot who sounds like a whiny McNabb lackey with every word that he hammers out. Anyone with a brain knows exactly what McNabb is and hoping for something better from someone else is a completely reasonable and defensible position to take.
except that someone else is kevin kolb and that is in no way reasonable
give me a legit mcnabb replacement and im on board with getting him out but ive yet to hear one
Jeff George
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 30, 2008, 12:58:04 PM
except that someone else is kevin kolb and that is in no way reasonable
give me a legit mcnabb replacement and im on board with getting him out but ive yet to hear one
Sure you're completely right about that. But I hate that nonsense.
"Andy Reid is terrible."
"Yeah but he shouldn't lose his job because who would replace him?"
"McNabb is a big game choke artist who has the thin skin of a 12 year old girl."
"Yeah but who is any better? Got to keep him."
Both arguments make sense, but it's bullshtein. Putting up with mediocrity just because we don't know if there's something better out there farging sucks.
McNabb can't have the thin skin of a 12 year old girl. Stephen A. Smith said his skin is alligator thick. You should read the whole article before posting nonsense
The argument for McNabb is completely valid. Name 6 quarterbacks whether available or not that would be better here than McNabb.
I can name two on the Patriots' roster alone. Oh snap!
And why is it valid for McNabb but not Reid? There's no guarantee that any coach will do better just like there's no guarantee that any QB would do better.
Quote from: rjs246 on December 30, 2008, 01:06:18 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 30, 2008, 12:58:04 PM
except that someone else is kevin kolb and that is in no way reasonable
give me a legit mcnabb replacement and im on board with getting him out but ive yet to hear one
Sure you're completely right about that. But I hate that nonsense.
"Andy Reid is terrible."
"Yeah but he shouldn't lose his job because who would replace him?"
"McNabb is a big game choke artist who has the thin skin of a 12 year old girl."
"Yeah but who is any better? Got to keep him."
Both arguments make sense, but it's bullshtein. Putting up with mediocrity just because we don't know if there's something better out there farging sucks.
its 1000 times easier to replace a coach than a qb
qb's as good as mcnabb dont come along often and if you wanna replace them you damn well better have a good plan for doing so
Coaching is easier than actually playing
Also, you gotta be kidding about Cassel.
Fine. Wanting something more from the QB position is still a valid position to take. And McNabb is still a whiny cracker ass cracker.
Quote from: rjs246 on December 30, 2008, 01:24:25 PM
I can name two on the Patriots' roster alone. Oh snap!
And why is it valid for McNabb but not Reid? There's no guarantee that any coach will do better just like there's no guarantee that any QB would do better.
So, you would dump McNabb for a career backup who didn't make the playoffs in the weak AFC or a gimp who may or may not play again. Brady's fate is not set in stone by any means. Those post-op infections can last dormant a long time. For all we know, he may be a peg leg next year.
The list I can come up with:
1. Peyton Manning
2. Drew Brees
3. That's it.
i cant stomach the guy either...but i care about the eagles more than i dislike mcnabb...which is why i said gimme a valid replacement plan and im all IN
Cassel went 11-5 this year. I don't actually think that he's a better QB right now than McNabb. But he's a thousand years younger and didn't exactly stink up the joint in his first chance to show what he can do...
Cassel = Matt Schaub
Cassel playing with these WRs and not Moss and Welker would have been hilariously bad. Oh yeah and no running game.
Agreed on Cassell, I believe he has a nice upside but we want to win now!
His victories were:
KC
Jets
SF
Denver
Rams
Bills
**Miami**
Seattle
Oakland
**Cards**
Buffalo
So, they beat 2 playoff caliber teams (if you want to call Arizona playoff caliber). I am not terribly impressed.
He threw 21 TD's and 11 int's an okay ratio, nothing that jumps out. Put Randy Moss in our offense and McNabb throws 40 TD's.
The Patriots went 11-5; not Matt Cassel. They're a better coached team and have better weapons for him to throw to
Sign McNabb to a 4yr extension.
He is the guy to QB this team.
farg Matt "one hit wonder" Cassell and farg Kevin Kolb
Quote from: stalker on December 30, 2008, 01:23:13 PM
The argument for McNabb is completely valid. Name 6 quarterbacks whether available or not that would be better here than McNabb.
Off the top of my head,
Manning
Brady
Manning
Brees
Warner
Rivers
Still, there's no reason at all to replace McNabb. Put the appropriate talent around him, gameplan appropriately, and he'd be a sure-fire hall of famer.
Kurt Warner with Curtis/Brown would be hilarious to watch.
It is fun to watch QBs get brutalized, but not when they're playing for US.
Quote from: Rome on December 30, 2008, 04:55:51 PM
Kurt Warner with Curtis/Brown would be hilarious to watch.
They might not catch it, but he'd get it to them every time.
Not behind this line
This line isn't too bad when they remember to run the ball every now and again.
this line has played one if its best years pass protecting since I dont even know how long
Warner could get it there no question.. and in stride
Quote from: General_Failure on December 30, 2008, 05:42:35 PM
This line isn't too bad when they remember to run the ball every now and again.
Which brings us back to the coach...
Quote from: Phanatic on December 30, 2008, 05:56:23 PM
Quote from: General_Failure on December 30, 2008, 05:42:35 PM
This line isn't too bad when they remember to run the ball every now and again.
Which brings us back to the coach...
Which, if fixed, would mean no problems on offense in the first place.
In a perfect world sure. Unfortunatly we'd just get a different set of problems. Hopefully not as sever though.
QuoteHey Philly, at least Tarvaris isn't your quaterback
Philadelphia Eagles fans who don't appreciate Donovan McNabb should be sentenced to spend eternal damnation with a 25-year-old Tarvaris Jackson as their quarterback, wrote the Minneapolis Star Tribune.
Either that or be forced to watch a continuous loop of Philadelphia's 26-14 victory over the Vikings in Sunday's NFC first-round playoff game at the Metrodome.
Playing in front of a hostile 61,746 fans while facing every blitz that Vikings defensive coordinator Leslie Frazier could think of, McNabb calmly led the Eagles into next week's divisional-round game at Giants Stadium. And he did it with a virtually nonexistent running game that averaged a puny 2.9 yards per carry.
Meanwhile, Jackson lost at home while facing fewer blitzes than anybody imagined. He had the support of a running game, but he literally threw away a 40-yard touchdown run by Adrian Peterson by lobbing a hideous interception that Asante Samuel turned into the winning points with a 43-yard interception return for a touchdown midway through the second quarter.
"Donovan put us on his back and carried us," Eagles running back Brian Westbrook said. "That's what you expect from a superstar quarterback."
Source: Star Tribune
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/rumors/post/Hey-Philly-at-least-Tarvaris-isn-t-your-quaterb?urn=nfl,132300 (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/rumors/post/Hey-Philly-at-least-Tarvaris-isn-t-your-quaterb?urn=nfl,132300)
I don't want to be riding McNabbs back next sunday. Much rather be riding Westbrook and Buck...sexually of course
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heres the full video of it...just terrible
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ncw70Hw1ffs
he's embarassingly corny....that dance was horrible. when he caught tarvarius jackson's pass on the sidelines on the last play & pretended to run with it, that might have been worse.
If he keeps winning I don't care if he
pulls a Jason Taylor and his partner is Richard Simmonds
Quote from: hunt on January 08, 2009, 10:54:06 AM
he's embarassingly corny....that dance was horrible. when he caught tarvarius jackson's pass on the sidelines on the last play & pretended to run with it, that might have been worse.
Are our expectations for his rhythm too high because of his skin color, though?
Quote from: FastFreddie on January 08, 2009, 03:00:26 PM
Quote from: hunt on January 08, 2009, 10:54:06 AM
he's embarassingly corny....that dance was horrible. when he caught tarvarius jackson's pass on the sidelines on the last play & pretended to run with it, that might have been worse.
Are our expectations for his rhythm too high because of his skin color, though?
Nah. After watching hold on to the ball too long this many years, we know rhythm is not his thing.
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Dear god make it stop.
White people.
theres no way he would do that if he knew he was on camera
I'm more appalled that Tracey White still has #54. >:(
shtein he can do the Carlton if they beat the Ginas
no
I don't care who he beats, if he does the Carlton I'll laugh my ass off.
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/giants/2009/01/08/2009-01-08_its_the_city_of_brotherly_lovehate_for_d-1.html
QuoteBut right before he steps off the Eagles' practice facility stage, McNabb delivers a little punch line that reveals some lingering resentment toward head coach Andy Reid.
When asked about the Giants' recent struggles on defense, McNabb answers that sometimes during the course of a season "you don't play as well as you did early on."
"So, none of them got benched," McNabb adds smiling and chuckling as he walks away
QuoteFormer Eagle Hugh Douglas says his old teammate may not be as content as he wants everyone to believe he is, and that there is tension between him and Reid entering Sunday's divisional showdown with the Giants.
"I think at this point, it is safe to say that is the case," says Douglas, who remains around the team as a voice for Philadelphia's WIP sports radio. "Now (McNabb) is playing with a little chip on his shoulder. And I think that was his way of basically saying, 'Hey, this is how I feel.'"
Some of McNabb's current teammates believe that their QB is being treated unfairly, too.
"If we win it all, Philly is not going to let him go," cornerback Lito Sheppard says. "But put it like this, if this were basketball and he had an option to opt out of his last whatever years (of his contract), he'd be gone.
"As an athlete of his caliber and what he has accomplished, I wouldn't take that (stuff)," Sheppard says, laughing. "A lot of the fans hate on Donovan but they won't miss him until he is gone. They will definitely see that if and when he decides to get out of here, you just don't plug in anybody at that position."
QuoteJaworski and Cunningham, McNabb's most successful predecessors, swallowed their share of venom from Philadelphia's insatiable fans. But no quarterback has ever endured like McNabb. He was booed on draft day because fans wanted Ricky Williams instead. He has been hammered for being injury prone and incapable of winning big games after losing three straight NFC Championship Games and throwing three interceptions in Super Bowl XXXIX. There was the Terrell Owens soap opera that divided the city like the crack in the Liberty Bell. And then there is the race factor. McNabb was ripped by Rush Limbaugh and even a local NAACP leader for everything from being overrated because he is black to being a sellout for not running as much and trying to be more of a pocket passer.
"At the radio station, you have people that call in and they use code words like 'He's not that smart,'" Douglas says. "Like when you are talking about a Peyton Manning, it's 'He's so bright' and 'He's a general.' They talk about McNabb and 'He's athletic.' So there are those code words that you still hear that as a black person your ears perk up when you hear those."
I'm glad McNabb has c hip on his shoulder. I hope that when the season is over Reid and him have a talk that will lead to him being able to put the resentment to rest.
He has endured a lot of bullshtein and most of it is quite unfair. And I've been saying it all along....when he's gone and we are looking at Kolb try to be a QB or waiting for years for another good QB to get here, McNabb will be missed.
He needs to be re-signed.
He does not need to be re-signed. He has a contract that pays him very nicely and keeps him in Eagles green basically year-to-year. If they re-sign him and he flames out in 2 years, the dead money would be huge.
Also, Hugh is usually a little bit full of shtein, and I wouldn't exactly consider Lito a reliable gauge for the rest of the locker room.
I want Donovan back next year very badly, but that article is fairly stupid in general.
He does need to be re-signed.
He's 32 and he has 4-5 more good years left.
What a whiney bitch.
And yes, I hope he is back next year.
if i hear one more time that he got booed on draft day im gonna kill...what got booed was not picking ricky williams and the fact that mcnabb is either to dumb or to stubborn to seperate the two makes him look like the little douche that he is...and im sorry but donovan hasnt gotten even close to the criticism that jaws got...the difference is jaws knew how to handle it and is a much more likeable person
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 09, 2009, 11:53:50 AM
He has endured a lot of bullshtein and most of it is quite unfair.
ha...no in fact he really hasnt faced much at all...also this is a new york paper trying to farg with the eagles 48 hrs before they play ny in the biggest game of the year...dont believe the hype...and if these quotes are current lito needs to keep his farging mouth shut...why on earth are you giving a ny paper an interview this week
also the notion that if you want mcnabb resigned means you believe hes been treated unfairly or you feel bad for him couldnt be further from the truth...you can think hes a thin skinned condescending drama queen and still want him back because hes best for the team
he's the quarterback of a football first city, he is going to get more scrutiny by default. he doesn't have the personality to handle the scrutiny and shows that by his bitchmade attitude. that said, he's the best option for this team and i hope he stays. i also hope he gets a personality transplant.
Douglas is right about the code words though.
About being boo'ed on draft day...has McNabb recently said anything about it? The media keeps bringing it up because hey they are lazy journalists and thats how you sell a story. Just like no matter what happens next the benching will forever be brought up. Just like TO.
But has McNabb himself said anything about it? He still talks about the benching, TO here and there, and maybe the race factor, but the draft I really have not heard from him about.
its common knowledge that hes never gotten over it and its scarred him for life...hes talked about it numerous times as have his parents in the last couple years...it was also on his blog i think last year...hes never let it go and it will always be the foundation for him hating the eagle fans
he could've stopped the questions from the media years ago if he firmly let it be known that he didn't care and it's ancient history, but he never did that, he loves it when the media keeps bringing it up.
po wittle donnie
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 09, 2009, 12:10:22 PM
if i hear one more time that he got booed on draft day im gonna kill...what got booed was not picking ricky williams and the fact that mcnabb is either to dumb or to stubborn to seperate the two makes him look like the little douche that he is...and im sorry but donovan hasnt gotten even close to the criticism that jaws got...the difference is jaws knew how to handle it and is a much more likeable person
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 09, 2009, 11:53:50 AM
He has endured a lot of bullshtein and most of it is quite unfair.
ha...no in fact he really hasnt faced much at all...also this is a new york paper trying to farg with the eagles 48 hrs before they play ny in the biggest game of the year...dont believe the hype...and if these quotes are current lito needs to keep his farging mouth shut...why on earth are you giving a ny paper an interview this week
also the notion that if you want mcnabb resigned means you believe hes been treated unfairly or you feel bad for him couldnt be further from the truth...you can think hes a thin skinned condescending drama queen and still want him back because hes best for the team
Lito's giving interviews because he's the 4th corner and relegated to STs duties and wants to talk to someone. He's bitter.
As for McNabb...people shtein all over him. From the smiling thing, to run/not run, to the booing....whatever it is, he catches heat.
The guy was booed in the ARZ game after throwing his first INC pass after like 8 straight completions and the Eagles were winning.
I get tired of hearing the crap about Garcia being emotional from people. Several of the guys who watch the game at the place I do rail on McNabb all the time.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 09, 2009, 12:01:57 PM
He does need to be re-signed.
He's 32 and he has 4-5 more good years left.
Even if the second part is true, the first still is not. His contract runs through 2012 and with the expanding salary cap, the numbers really aren't that ridiculous. Keep him on the team for 3 years, and if he does in fact have 1-2 more years left then, go ahead and give him the deal.
Quote from: SunMo on January 09, 2009, 12:23:15 PM
he could've stopped the questions from the media years ago if he firmly let it be known that he didn't care and it's ancient history, but he never did that, he loves it when the media keeps bringing it up.
this is surely correct...when youre a ham like Mcnabb
if he would of did his homework after he raised his Eagles jersey on draft he would of realized that just giving your bestest effort isnt good enough in this town as an eagles qb... and second place blows these days
the media cant wait for another whiny, black on black, they spit on me comment to write about. you would think after graduating with a speech communications degree he would be slick enough to squash half that shtein to avoid distractions...but whatever....keep him on the team and get me a god-damn lombardi
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 09, 2009, 12:17:05 PM
its common knowledge that hes never gotten over it and its scarred him for life...hes talked about it numerous times as have his parents in the last couple years...it was also on his blog i think last year...hes never let it go and it will always be the foundation for him hating the eagle fans
if it was on his blog then he has a serious problem and he has never just come out and squashed it but i am confident even if he had every ESPN story on McNabb would lead off with BOOED AT DRAFT, T.O., BENCHED just like every Philly story leads off with BOOED SANTA...
oh no doubt thats the media...but just like santa has gotten over it and still delivers toys to the kids in philly mcnabb could have gotten over it and not still be a bitter penis face
my hope is that somehow it motivates him. if it does then i hope he is forever sad.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 09, 2009, 12:25:33 PM
The guy was booed in the ARZ game after throwing his first INC pass after like 8 straight completions and the Eagles were winning.
And just like the draft thing, nobody (maybe a couple of drunken fargs who wouldn't know a football from a giant novelty inflatable scrotum) was booing him, just the call that was made. That drive was pass, sack, pass, punt, right after a drive of nothing but runs that resulted in a touchdown. Of course, we all know this, but I'm pointing it out anyway.
Couldn't the team actually lower his salary cap number by renegotiating his contract. Only makes sense if the intention is to keep him for 3 or more years, but you could certainly make his contract more manageable and still give him the money already in it.
My understanding is that as it's currently written, no way he's here in 2010.
Quote from: MadMarchHare on January 09, 2009, 07:39:55 PM
Couldn't the team actually lower his salary cap number by renegotiating his contract. Only makes sense if the intention is to keep him for 3 or more years, but you could certainly make his contract more manageable and still give him the money already in it.
My understanding is that as it's currently written, no way he's here in 2010.
They could lower the number, but they'd pay for it later.
Quote from: FastFreddie on January 09, 2009, 12:25:46 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 09, 2009, 12:01:57 PM
He does need to be re-signed.
He's 32 and he has 4-5 more good years left.
Even if the second part is true, the first still is not. His contract runs through 2012 and with the expanding salary cap, the numbers really aren't that ridiculous. Keep him on the team for 3 years, and if he does in fact have 1-2 more years left then, go ahead and give him the deal.
Ohhh, sure... alienate Kevin Kolb, why don't you?
hes only at 10 mil right now and next year he will actually cost less against the cap
its not till 2012 in his last year that his salary jumps to 14 mil...but even then the salary cap will have been raised high enough so that keeping mcnabb will never be an issue...for example as it looks now they should be at least 35-45 million under the cap next year...if mcnabb leaves it will not be because the eagles cant pay him it will be because they dont want to pay him
so why are these columnists bitching about his 9 million cap hit next yr?
I was thinking it was this outrageous number that no qb of his caliber should be making. That said what is the avg salary?
because they are either a) dipshteins or b) trying to create fake drama
c) joe banner hates all cap numbers above 3.5 million
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 09, 2009, 08:09:44 PM
because they are either a) dipshteins or b) trying to create fake drama
True.
Quote from: SunMo on January 09, 2009, 08:32:13 PM
c) joe banner hates all cap numbers above 3.5 million
Even more true.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 09, 2009, 08:09:44 PM
because they are either a) dipshteins or b) trying to create fake drama
all of the above.
I for one am in no hurry to watch the Kevin Kolb era begin. I can wait 4,5,6,7 years.
I am still recovering from the Bobby Hoying era. Weekly therapy sessions have been quite helpful.
Quote from: Don Ho on January 10, 2009, 07:21:28 PM
I for one am in no hurry to watch the Kevin Kolb era begin. I can wait forever.
I agree.
Quote from: Don Ho on January 10, 2009, 07:21:28 PM
I for one am in no hurry to watch the Kevin Kolb era begin. I can wait 4,5,6,7 years.
I am still recovering from the Bobby Hoying era. Weekly therapy sessions have been quite helpful.
Some girl with the last name Hoying won the youngest division of punt, pass, and kick. I had flashbacks.
Donovan said that "God is good," so most of :CF would like to trade him immediately, right?
Settle down churchy.
That phone bit was another cringe-worthy McNabb moment. Even Aikman said something like, "I don't know what's going through that guy's head half the time."
That said, considering the lack of running game and the pressure, McNabb had a great game. Not a decent game, an excellent one. One of the INT's was like a punt and the other was a fluke. Give the man some props for coming to play today and sticking with it.
The phone moment means he picked up idiot germs from Jackson. Kill them both, burn the corpses.
Quote from: General_Failure on January 11, 2009, 04:46:42 PM
The phone moment means he picked up idiot germs from Jackson. Kill them both, burn the corpses.
Fine with me, as long as they win the Super Bowl first.
He had a great game today against a tough D in rough conditions, he was nothing short of awesome.
Having said that, the phone crap was one of the most ignorant, bullcrap things I've ever seen done during a football game. It's right up there with TO, Deion, Moss, or Horn.
DIMF
I loved the phone moment.
Waving bye to the Giants fans last time
Akers fighting half the sideline a few years ago
Classic moment. farg it.
With Westbrook having a bad game that was all DMAC today.
Nice game by a veteran QB.
Reid said McNabb is the best QB in the NFL. Banner grimaced.
how bout the fact that he threw 2 passes on a rope in stride to Curtis (which he farging dropped) and the one to Jackson down the sidelines?
dude is playing solid right now
Yeah, what the farg is with the shore handed white guy dropping friggen' passes??
i'm not shore what happened on the play. the friggen ball hit him in the facemask.
Quote from: hunt on January 11, 2009, 05:49:18 PM
i'm not shore what happened on the play. the friggen ball hit him in the facemask.
Sunlight?
Anyway I hope for one more great game from McNabb.
Quote from: hunt on January 11, 2009, 05:49:18 PM
i'm not shore what happened on the play. the friggen ball hit him in the facemask.
Yeah, how do you not catch a ball that hits you square in the facemask?!? That was like the Giants player who had the open field fumble.
Quote from: Magical_Retard on January 11, 2009, 05:51:34 PM
Quote from: hunt on January 11, 2009, 05:49:18 PM
i'm not shore what happened on the play. the friggen ball hit him in the facemask.
Sunlight?
Anyway I hope for one more great game from McNabb.
One?
Quote from: shorebird on January 11, 2009, 05:54:05 PM
Quote from: hunt on January 11, 2009, 05:49:18 PM
i'm not shore what happened on the play. the friggen ball hit him in the facemask.
Yeah, how do you not catch a ball that hits you square in the facemask?!? That was like the Giants player who had the open field fumble.
The ball called him a name and he had to teach it a lesson.
Quote from: FastFreddie on January 11, 2009, 06:56:37 PM
The ball called him a name and he had to teach it a lesson.
actually i just saw that espn outside the lines will report next sunday that the ball wasnt mormon
The Curtis drop was the second worst moment of the game, but he made some clutch catches down the stretch so I'm not as angry with him. He is relieved by this.
Quote from: rjs246 on January 11, 2009, 06:59:31 PM
The Curtis drop was the second worst moment of the game, but he made some clutch catches down the stretch so I'm not as angry with him. He is relieved by this.
You vs. him would probably be a pretty good fight.
Quote from: rjs246 on January 11, 2009, 06:59:31 PM
The Curtis drop was the second worst moment of the game, but he made some clutch catches down the stretch so I'm not as angry with him. He is relieved by this.
he actually made some really good catches three minutes after the drop
Quote from: FastFreddie on January 11, 2009, 07:00:49 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on January 11, 2009, 06:59:31 PM
The Curtis drop was the second worst moment of the game, but he made some clutch catches down the stretch so I'm not as angry with him. He is relieved by this.
You vs. him would probably be a pretty good fight.
rjs246 fights dirty out of necessity.
Curtis is mormon.
Advantage, me.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 11, 2009, 07:05:42 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on January 11, 2009, 06:59:31 PM
The Curtis drop was the second worst moment of the game, but he made some clutch catches down the stretch so I'm not as angry with him. He is relieved by this.
he actually made some really good catches three minutes after the drop
He seemed to play with purpose after the drop. good sign if you ask me.
The throw McNabb made where he escaped pressure and threw off his back foot across his body to Curtis was a thing of beauty.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 11, 2009, 07:22:10 PM
The throw McNabb made where he escaped pressure and threw off his back foot across his body to Curtis was a thing of beauty.
Wasn't it though?
a beauty i say
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 11, 2009, 07:22:10 PM
The throw McNabb made where he escaped pressure and threw off his back foot across his body to Curtis was a thing of beauty.
That was to Avant, but don't let the facts get in the way of a good story.
Yeah..farg, I should know that. Because I was pimping Avant right before the play.
I really need to stop leaving the NFL network on behind me. I think they spent a half hour talking about McNabb, how much he wants out of Philly, and how much his mom cried. I think they also mentioned that the fans molested santa with a large ice dildo.
Just re-watched the highlights on ESPN, the McNabb escape 3rd and 20 throw to Avant was unbelievable. The same drive (iirc) escape, protection from the O-line and throw to Buck was equally awesome.
Quote from: General_Failure on January 11, 2009, 09:36:24 PM
I really need to stop leaving the NFL network on behind me. I think they spent a half hour talking about McNabb, how much he wants out of Philly, and how much his mom cried. I think they also mentioned that the fans molested santa with a large ice dildo.
I didn't watch it, but I am guessing it was fat farg Jamie Dukes and :deion doing the talking? :deion has been spouting that shtein for weeks now.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 11, 2009, 09:46:02 PM
Quote from: General_Failure on January 11, 2009, 09:36:24 PM
I really need to stop leaving the NFL network on behind me. I think they spent a half hour talking about McNabb, how much he wants out of Philly, and how much his mom cried. I think they also mentioned that the fans molested santa with a large ice dildo.
I didn't watch it, but I am guessing it was fat farg Jamie Dukes and :deion doing the talking? :deion has been spouting that shtein for weeks now.
Part of the interview is up at PE.com. Same old stuff. The sentiment is never going to change -- as long as McNabb is playing at a high level I don't know why anyone cares if he is not giving a fellatio to the entire fan base. If he wants to be bitter and it motivates him to say "I told you so" at the the end, then so be it. Sometimes it's difficult to determine who is more sensitive to all this back and forth bantering.
yo z, long time no see, hows it hangin?
Hey SD. Things are going alright; been occupied with other things as of late. I thought I'd drop by to see if anything has changed, and I'm glad to see that nothing has.
That NFL Network shtein was pissing me off and killing my high. All that bullshtein about McNabb "wanting out of Philly" Deion and Dukes went on and on about it... all the while not having an ounce of fact to back any of that shtein up. The thing is that there's too big of a segment of the Eagles fanbase who can't decipher fact and bullshtein... so they'll eat that shtein up and take it as the gospel that McNabb "wants to be traded", or "McNabb can hold out of camp" or some other bullshtein. The bastiches spewing it and/or the farging sheep gullible enough to believe it can kiss my meatcicle. For real.
And there wasn't a damn thing wrong with McNabb and the phone thing. It was cool as farg. It sure as hell wasn't anything to "cringe" over, or "ignorant". It was all in good fun. Get over it.
Amen to the phone thing; I loved it. Of course Jints, Cowboys and Racist fans all call McNabb classless now. Whatever; keep on phonin' home, 5.
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ!
What's up man? How the hell are ya?
It was a stretch... Had you posted "Like, what are you 12 years old?" then I would have been spot on.
Sadly, I take even the weakest shots.
If you throw enough shtein at the wall, eventually someone will think it's art.
I knew you'd have my back.
Sorry, on :CF the lingo is around the scrotal area, not the back.
Your nuts taste a little like vinegar. Did your wife douche recently?
Nah, vigy tossed my salad last night. Vinaigrette FTW.
Ahhhhhh, I didn't like it much, I thought he looked stupid, but thats like the pot calling the kettle black.
Let me ask you all this though, if TO had caught a pass and went out of bounds by the phone and did the same thing, what would you have thought of it?
could be the easiest most common sense answer ever
Quote from: shorebird on January 12, 2009, 07:49:20 PM
Ahhhhhh, I didn't like it much, I thought he looked stupid, but thats like the pot calling the kettle black.
Let me ask you all this though, if TO had caught a pass and went out of bounds by the phone and did the same thing, what would you have thought of it?
Burned before killed instead of the other way around.
Quote from: shorebird on January 12, 2009, 07:49:20 PM
Ahhhhhh, I didn't like it much, I thought he looked stupid, but thats like the pot calling the kettle black.
Let me ask you all this though, if TO had caught a pass and went out of bounds by the phone and did the same thing, what would you have thought of it?
I would've said "farg You! You piece of shtein, T.O.!" (but I say that everytime they throw his mug up on TV though) and moved on. It was a taunt. As an opposing fan, I'm not supposed to like it. I'd be lying to you though if I told you that I would have looked at it as a big deal.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 12, 2009, 08:32:47 AM
Amen to the phone thing; I loved it. Of course Jints, Cowboys and Racist fans all call McNabb classless now. Whatever; keep on phonin' home, 5.
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ!
What's up man? How the hell are ya?
Not much man; I'm doing alright. Finishing up my schooling while attempting to find a job in this horrible market. Are you back in Texas or still in Phoenixville? I haven't been back to the area for awhile.
As for McNabb, it's always going to be difficult to tell what he truly thinks. It will always be a love/hate relationship with the fans. When the fans want to embrace him wholeheartedly they don't do so out of fear for getting too close for whatever reason (to reserve the ability to offer stinging criticism when he fargs up, maybe? It probably carries more weight if you were a "hater" from the outset), and McNabb feels the same. Must be some sort of vulnerability problem. Bad childhood memories?
QuoteWhen the fans want to embrace him wholeheartedly they don't do so out of fear for getting too close for whatever reason (to reserve the ability to offer stinging criticism when he fargs up, maybe? It probably carries more weight if you were a "hater" from the outset), and McNabb feels the same. Must be some sort of vulnerability problem
quite accurate
I was beat as a child...can we talk?
QuoteDan Gross: McNabb's magic hoagie?
By Dan Gross
Philadelphia Daily News
THANKFULLY Donovan McNabb picked up his regular chicken-cheesesteak hoagie from Talk of the Town (3020 S. Broad) Saturday afternoon before the Iggles rolled up to East Rutherford to dwarf the Giants Sunday. We told you last week how the Birds were victorious several times on the road when D-Mac stopped into the steak shop for his last Philly meal before leaving.
After our report, B101's Morning Show with Tiffany and Michael had kicker David Akers on-air Friday, and he said that he would try a sandwich there. He did. The shop delivered a steak with provolone to Akers before the team departed Saturday. Akers, who previously had only 50 percent field-goal accuracy at Giants Stadium, went a perfect three-for-three on Sunday.
Eat 'em up again, McNabb.
America's darling - except in Philly (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AqLq_u6n3tACmHEvS_oMpxpDubYF?slug=dw-sympathyformcnabb011409&prov=yhoo&type=lgns)
QuoteHe's a sympathetic and popular figure all across America. Except in one town – Philadelphia
Elway, Bourque, Garnett, Manning, Bettis and the others were legends in their home cities as they chased their elusive championship. They could do little wrong – in Garnett's and Bourque's case with multiple fan bases. Bourque was so beloved in Boston, the city threw him a rally after he won the Stanley Cup for the Colorado Avalanche.
With those players, it was the country that warmed to them after they established a devoted following in their hometown.
McNabb, on the other hand, is doing it in spite of his local reputation. While he certainly has supporters – far more than is generally acknowledged – there is a portion of the Eagles fan base that still doubts and debates him.
"I'm gonna get ripped," McNabb told Yahoo! Sports Sunday following his playful phone antic late in the divisional victory over the Giants. "That is the story of my life. It's something to talk about: 'Donovan, what an idiot.' "
Philadelphia fans get a bad rap. They're painted as unreasonable and nasty when intense and demanding is more accurate. They are forever dealing with the day back in the 1960s when some people booed Santa Claus (who may have been drunk and deserved it).
Whatever. If you're going to label Philly fans dogs, then at least acknowledge that while they can be as mean as pit bulls, they're also as loyal as golden retrievers.
The Eagles would never need extra time to sell out a playoff game to avoid a local blackout as Arizona did two weeks ago. Never.
Being tough on sports figures isn't necessarily wrong. The fans aren't naïve. They expect the great effort and results.
They shouldn't apologize for calling out McNabb for too many interceptions, poor decisions or fatigue in a Super Bowl loss. Not playing well is the main reason people get on him. If he doesn't deliver a victory against the underdog Cardinals, he can expect more of the same.
Quote from: Eaglez on January 12, 2009, 08:39:27 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 12, 2009, 08:32:47 AM
Amen to the phone thing; I loved it. Of course Jints, Cowboys and Racist fans all call McNabb classless now. Whatever; keep on phonin' home, 5.
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ!
What's up man? How the hell are ya?
Not much man; I'm doing alright. Finishing up my schooling while attempting to find a job in this horrible market. Are you back in Texas or still in Phoenixville? I haven't been back to the area for awhile.
I am down in Houston, TX workin like crazy. Shoot me a PM when ya have a minute.
donovan is such a Hoyda
Hoyda or not, he's still a helluva good QB
Yep.
He is a good QB. He's even better when they are not going pass happy and giving up on the run. He should stop dancing on the field until he gets better dance moves.
I love when he dances.
It means they are doing good/winning and it burns IGY up.
Simmons (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/090116)
QuoteThe Kobe Bryant Award For "Best Ongoing Misguided/Contrived Attempt to Make It Seem Like There's a Sense of Humor Lurking Somewhere Even Though There Isn't"
To Donovan McNabb for pulling the "I'm on the Giants sideline, I think I'll pretend to make a phone call!" trick on the heels of his "I just caught one of Minnesota's sailing passes at the end of our win, I think I'll hop around like I just caught a real interception, laugh hysterically and keep the joke going for six seconds too long" moment the week before. Let's hope he leaves the comedy to the pros and sticks to what he does best: sucking Philly fans into loving him again, then calmly destroying them like Natasha Henstridge's mates in "Species."
^^^^
so on point
donovan mcnabbs slogan - "10 years of not being funny"
Bitter Pats fan. Stuff it.
Quotethen calmly destroying them like Natasha Henstridge's mates in "Species."
ahhh I think this guy should leave it to the pro's, wtf kind of reference is that? Who's this guy some Dennis Miller wanna be?
how have you never heard of bill simmons....hes a legend
Even when he is bitter about the Sox or Pats, he is damn funny most of the time. Dennis Miller is never funny
Simmons is also about to go 0-6 over the divisional and championship rounds.
people dont read him for his picks...least i hope they dont
never heard of him. but then again i don't idolize media folk
the sad part is a lot of people thought the phone bit was funny
i guess those are the same people who like joe buck
in theory the phone thing is awesome...mcnabb just cant pull it off
I'm more of a Kenny Albert fan. In fact, Kenny Albert looks like CardTrader. It all makes sense now
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 16, 2009, 10:38:56 AM
in theory the phone thing is awesome...mcnabb just cant pull it off
If Pimp did it its hilarious
definitely...he would have leaned up against the table in a b boy stance or something and he wouldnt have skipped away like a nymph after he did it
yo for real, that's hard!
I like Buck if just for the overreactions.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 16, 2009, 11:01:40 AM
definitely...he would have leaned up against the table in a b boy stance or something and he wouldnt have skipped away like a nymph after he did it
He did skip up to Brad Childress though, so there's that.
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on January 16, 2009, 10:46:52 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 16, 2009, 10:38:56 AM
in theory the phone thing is awesome...mcnabb just cant pull it off
If Pimp did it its hilarious
I think if pimp did it, he would have gotten his ass kicked on the gints sideline.
(http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd213/gkrykewy/hopenabb.jpg)
ha
The Eagles are 40-1 when Donovan has a passer rating over 100.
what was the 1
The first Dallas game this year?
A loss (to the Cards) back in 2001
And they only lost that game by 1 point.
I saw on ESPN that he has a perfect passer rating (158.3) in the 4th qtr of the 2 playoff games. Just get those other 3 out of the way and hello, 41-1.
I am no longer just hoping to get by tomorrow. I want to see Donovan tear their defense to pieces. No less than 30 points.
Quote from: FastFreddie on January 17, 2009, 02:12:03 PM
I am no longer just hoping to get by tomorrow. I want to see Donovan tear their defense to pieces. No less than 30 points.
in.
Quote from: FastFreddie on January 17, 2009, 02:12:03 PM
I am no longer just hoping to get by tomorrow. I want to see Donovan tear their defense to pieces. No less than 30 points.
Yes I hope he tears this team another A-hole. Fargin shred them Dmac
in 9 minutes NFL Countdown will do another story about how bad the fans ruined McNabb's life forever draft day.
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on January 18, 2009, 11:53:15 AM
in 9 minutes NFL Countdown will do another story about how bad the fans ruined McNabb's life forever draft day.
Sounds breathtaking.
we're so mean!
They interviewed John Littlejohn on the street. omfg. Great job ESPN.
Keyshawn the voice of reason. :-D
wormburner mcnabb is missing receivers left & right in a crucial game...........again.
Only a matter of time before the puking.
LETS GO.
Need six now.
Donovan made some mistakes in the first half but left it all on the field in the 2nd.
It's weird that I can't blame this game on Reid OR McNabb. WTF.
Quote from: FastFreddie on January 18, 2009, 06:34:18 PM
Donovan made some mistakes in the first half but left it all on the field in the 2nd.
It's weird that I can't blame this game on Reid OR McNabb. WTF.
The only thing I can really put on Reid is some of the plays he called just seemed asinine. Some of the singeback running plays were predictable....and for some reason trying to throw that Pinkston play to Greg Lewis for the 3 yard loss really pissed me off.
But other then that....you're right, can't really blame either guy.
yes there were a couple of bad passes by him, but he cant catch heat here no matter how much we want him to be the hero here
the defense sucked my balls and didnt come through when it mattered most--7:53
fargfaces
oh, there were more than a couple bad passes by 5. he missed or didn't see wide open receivers all game long.
yes, the defense also sucked today.
this was a complete team loss.
first half mcnabb missed everyone even when he did complete the passes.
the defense just bent over and took it over and over. akers missed a FG, kicked it out of bounds, and then missed a extra pt.
defense with 7 min left could not stop the Cards. Curtis drops the ball on 4rth and 10 and there is a no call on pass INT.
demps with the cheap shot late hit which led to a fg.
yeah but you know what..McNabb got them the farging lead in the 4th when it almost seemed impossible...exactly when the game should of been won by the defense that got them here in the first place
this lost game is solely blamed on the defense..they were getting crushed by the blitz all 3 quarters and JJ kept doing it...garbage
Quote from: Magical_Retard on January 18, 2009, 06:45:15 PM
this was a complete team loss.
pretty much. andy reid always finds a way to lose.
Quote from: reese125 on January 18, 2009, 06:47:56 PM
yeah but you know what..McNabb got them the farging lead in the 4th when it almost seemed impossible...exactly when the game should of been won by the defense that got them here in the first place
this lost game is solely blamed on the defense..they were getting crushed by the blitz all 3 quarters and JJ kept doing it...garbage
Oh I know he got them back. But even then the defense for two drives knocked Warner around and forced 3 and outs.
With the 1 pt lead, which should have been a 3 pt lead if not for that missed extra pt, 7 min to go I was hoping the defense would make a stop but something told me they would not.
Donovan McNabb can lick my hairy hanging ball sack.
Quote from: shorebird on January 18, 2009, 08:27:22 PM
Donovan McNabb can lick my hairy hanging ball sack.
What about Westbrook; he was outplayed by Edge. What about the Eagles receivers who were outplayed by Fitzgerald? Or, how about the defense who was outplayed by the Cards? McNabb deserves no more or less blame than anyone else on the team.
Bullshtein, he's the qb. The Eagles recievers weren't outplayed by the Cards recievers you dumbass, they aren't even on the field at the same time. And Bwest has played hurt all friggen' year.
C'mon McNabb hit Baskett right in the chest on 3rd and 10 on that last drive, and he dropped it. He was off on a few throws, but had some farging beauties (particularly that bomb to DeSean for the TD).
The D screwed the pooch, and ultimately I think the refs farged us harder than McNabb.
McNabb was not good yesterday. His awful touch cut the offensive output in half. The receivers weren't great, but he really has to do a better job of putting that ball in a place where the receiver has a chance to do something after the catch. Other than two slants to Curtis, McNabb really didn't do that. I'm not usually chiming in to kill the guy...but he does seem to shrink under the brightest lights.
three times I remember he utterly failed to put the ball in front of the reciever who had an open field in front of him, instead rifling it behind the poor bastich.
McNabb did not play well.
And that's not to say McNabb was alone in the subpar performance. Mikell had a really bad game, Demps had a bad game, Akers wasn't good, all of the linebackers were bad, and no one else stood out as anything other than mediocre. The loss was a team effort.
Quote from: Zanshin on January 19, 2009, 09:06:01 AM...no one else stood out as anything other than mediocre. The loss was a team effort.
Celek excepted of course.
True. Celek had a really nice game. It didn't scream "awesome" but it was certianly above average and beyond reproach.
He was the only player who showed up ready to perform in the clutch. He didn't do anything particularly fantastic, but he took advantage of almost every shot he got and that's more than can be said of the rest of the team.
Quote from: Zanshin on January 19, 2009, 09:10:28 AM
True. Celek had a really nice game. It didn't scream "awesome" but it was certianly above average and beyond reproach.
He set a postseason franchise record for receptions. The highlight of the TD grab was Baskett's block
another choke for mcnabb. guy should of scrambled more yesterday. especially the last drive. i can't hate all on him though cause he has no receivers. and a coach who calls play action deep routes when the defense is showing obvious blitz. i don't know how many times yesterday i saw the cardinals blitz's coming and the receivers all went on deep routes, nobody running a slant. the cardinals ran those quick slant routes all day against our blitz's. it was cake, all day. fundamentals of football once again lost when shtein hits the fan.
Mussa, come on man...
1. He did not choke
2. Yes he had a bad first half and was off, but he played damn good in the second half.
3. How can a coach know they are going to show blitz before he calls the play? They send the play in, they line up and then they show blitz when they are at the line. And they can show blitz all day and then back out of it if an audible is called.
He didn't flat-out choke-- but he didn't raise his game in any way, which is strikingly similar.
Up until the last drive, the most important drive thanks to the defense, McNabb played excellent in the 2nd half.
It just was not enough. This offense is no built to shoot it out no matter how much Reid wants to believe that.
Even when the Eagles run crossing patters they are usually like 10-15 yards deep where as the Cards were running 5 yard crossing patterns behind the blitz with plenty of room to run.
The three terrible throws McNabb made that come to mind...missing Baskett on that 2nd drive across the middle. It was a completion but he threw it low and Baskett gained 14 where he could have had a TD.
The 2nd one the last drive he threw behind Baskett on one and then the third terrible one was to Desean on 3rd and 10 I think. The throw to Lewis was bad too but that was a weird play where they rolled out right and then threw back to the left side of the field...Lewis made the adjustment and the ball hit was in his hands and he lost it on the way down. So not a perfect throw but something Lewis should have had.
Quote from: Magical_Retard on January 19, 2009, 11:21:07 AM
Up until the last drive, the most important drive thanks to the defense, McNabb played excellent in the 2nd half.
Awful for a half, and excellent for a half until a critical drive wasn't the kind of raise-the-game consistency I was hoping for.
christ the guy threw 3 tds and had 375 yards, overcame his 1st half woes and stepped his game up in the 2nd half to get them the lead, defense wins championships--not this one
end of story..you can fall to the qb as a scapegoat here if you want but the defense was garbage not McNabb
Quote from: Zanshin on January 19, 2009, 11:23:45 AM
Quote from: Magical_Retard on January 19, 2009, 11:21:07 AM
Up until the last drive, the most important drive thanks to the defense, McNabb played excellent in the 2nd half.
Awful for a half, and excellent for a half until a critical drive wasn't the kind of raise-the-game consistency I was hoping for.
Well obviously. You would hope he has a complete game but considering the hole they put themselves in with the defense giving up 24 pts, the offense settling for 2 FGs and missing one...the 2nd half was exactly what you would want to see. He did have plenty of time on that last drive and threw two terrible passes and then on that 4rth down one hit Curtis on the hands but he was falling down and possibly interfered with. Curtis makes that catch and who knows what happens next. As it is McNabb failed but going in I expected the offense to score around what they did but I honestly did not think the defense would give up 32 and force 0 turnovers.
McNabb was not perfect yesterday, but he was plenty good enough to win. farg all of you who are knee-jerking and want to get rid of him.
If McNabb goes, you fargers deserve the Kolb/Feeley platoon.
I'm not even saying I want him gone, for the record. What I am saying is that he really didn't do anything to help his legacy yesterday and that his stats weren't close to what they should/could have been.
Quote from: FastFreddie on January 19, 2009, 12:03:52 PM
McNabb was not perfect yesterday, but he was plenty good enough to win. farg all of you who are knee-jerking and want to get rid of him.
If McNabb goes, you fargers deserve the Kolb/Feeley platoon.
well said.
reid or mcnabb...one of them needs to go.
mcnabb needs a solid running game so he won't have to carry the entire offensive load but that won't happen as long as reid is coach because reid is an offensive load.
Its true...McNabb is not the type who can carry the team with no running game and the defense completely being run over.
But that is why this loss hurts soo much right now...that 1 pt lead should have been at least a 3 pt lead. So many players failed yesterday...and all 3 phases..special teams, defense, and offense.
Quote from: hunt on January 19, 2009, 01:51:52 PM
reid or mcnabb...one of them needs to go.
Reid, then. No contest. But the new coach better run a similar offense (and better not be Mohrninweg).
I think it's pretty clear that Reid isn't going anywhere anytime soon.
Quote from: Zanshin on January 19, 2009, 02:20:03 PM
I think it's pretty clear that Reid isn't going anywhere anytime soon.
agreed.
and i think the eagles' fo wants to keep 5...but i wouldn't be shocked if he forces a trade. dood hates philly.
Quote from: Magical_Retard on January 19, 2009, 02:01:07 PM
Its true...McNabb is not the type who can carry the team with no running game and the defense completely being run over.
But that is why this loss hurts soo much right now...that 1 pt lead should have been at least a 3 pt lead. So many players failed yesterday...and all 3 phases..special teams, defense, and offense.
yes sir...but a 1-3pt lead meant jack squat because they scored a td regardless
Quote from: FastFreddie on January 19, 2009, 12:03:52 PM
McNabb was not perfect yesterday, but he was plenty good enough to win. farg all of you who are knee-jerking and want to get rid of him.
If McNabb goes, you fargers deserve the Kolb/Feeley platoon.
Yeah, that's a nightmare.
you know, it can be the defense and the quarterback...it's not exclusive.
donovan left points on the board in the 1st half with his awful play and couldn't get it done on the last drive.
the defense played like absolute shtein and choked when they actually had a lead to work with.
Quote from: SunMo on January 19, 2009, 03:04:14 PM
you know, it can be the defense and the quarterback...it's not exclusive.
donovan left points on the board in the 1st half with his awful play and couldn't get it done on the last drive.
the defense played like absolute shtein and choked when they actually had a lead to work with.
Agreed - it was a complete team failure in all three phases of the game. The offense, defense, and special teams all took a huge dump on my bed; no reason to argue which turd had the most corn in it
Quote from: hunt on January 19, 2009, 02:40:48 PM
Quote from: Zanshin on January 19, 2009, 02:20:03 PM
I think it's pretty clear that Reid isn't going anywhere anytime soon.
agreed.
and i think the eagles' fo wants to keep 5...but i wouldn't be shocked if he forces a trade. dood hates philly.
Yeah esp if those rumors and claims by Deion and Dukes are true. Both of them, and I think Screamin A as well, have claimed he wants out and that is what he will discuss with the team Reid, Banner, and Lurie. Would not surprise me.
If that was the scenario somehow I would want a lot in return. 1st round pick is not out of the question.
yep and he'll go right to the taterskins
so i never watch espn anymore bc i know better. but i had some time to kill before the game and mistakenly turned that shtein on.
again they brought up the booing of santa claus and stupid ass shoulder pad shawn booing 5 on draft day along with 4 "dopes!" from WIP. then tom jackson (if 5 wins a superbowl, it's not enough for these fans, they want more), chris carter (hey! i got boo'd there as a rookie!), and keyshawn (something like, "eagle fans won't give 5 unconditional love even if he wins a superbowl)
steve young was like, "jiojefhshdfhpdsjf!! you gotta be crazy. if he wins a superbowl, he'll be untouchable. you own that city" - i agree
i know the media hates philly, especially espn. we boo santa ~50 years ago, replay it on espn! 8 numbnuts boo mcnabb...replay it on espn! patriot fans pelt the miami dolphins qb a few years back in the endzone with ICEBALLS but espn shows the fans gently tossing fluffy snow in the air and "they are loving it!!"
but with espn controlling the media and leading the philly hate, everyone follows and i think it's gotten in mcnabb's head. steve young also said something right, when you're in a large city and the number 1 sporting team has not won in ages, philly is no different than any other city. look at boston and the red sox.
and it's farging true. we love/hate mcnabb. is any other city really different when it comes to top 5/10 qb play?
i said one of the fingers to point was at mcnabb. i almost take that back and it was a little harsh. he did more to win the game then lose it, but if he played a better game, we probably win. i hope he stays till he can't move anymore. but if he really thinks everyone hates him and brings up the rush limbaugh, draft day boo'ing and a few WIP knuckle heads and wants to move bc of that, gimmie a break. it's not that much different anywhere else. unless LA gets a team i guess
25 points should be enough to win that game. Period.
I don't know the stats, but I'd be willing to bet that the far far majority of teams that let up more than 30 points in a conference title game lose. Probably 8/10 teams.
How can anyone defend or attack McNabb after yesterday's game? He was responsible for them looking like garbage in the first half and was responsible for them storming back and taking a lead in the second half. In other words, he was exactly what he always is. Good enough to win the game, while still managing to be bad enough to lose.
I'd like to see how Donovan plays under a different coach. He might be a totally different player...
Donovan McNabb is a choker who will never win a Super Bowl. Ever, with any team. His only chance is to meet a QB in the Super Bowl who is even more of a choker than he. Since the Eagles cannot play the Cowboys in the Super Bowl, I don't know who that would be.
He is also roughly a billion times better than Kolb will ever be. McNabb is a very good QB. Kolb is garbage.
I believe both of these facts were well-known before this season. Keeping McNabb, you have a potentially good team with playoff potential but no shot at a Super Bowl win. Getting rid of McNabb, the Eagles will be a mediocre-at-best team for about half a decade until they find a legitimate new QB, and there's a good percentage chance that even that QB will not be as good as McNabb. Might not be as big a choker, though.
Quote from: Phanatic on January 19, 2009, 05:34:04 PM
I'd like to see how Donovan plays under a different coach. He might be a totally different player...
Mike Shannahan please.
Quote from: QB Eagles on January 19, 2009, 06:05:14 PM
Donovan McNabb is a choker who will never win a Super Bowl. Ever, with any team. His only chance is to meet a QB in the Super Bowl who is even more of a choker than he. Since the Eagles cannot play the Cowboys in the Super Bowl, I don't know who that would be.
He is also roughly a billion times better than Kolb will ever be. McNabb is a very good QB. Kolb is garbage.
I believe both of these facts were well-known before this season. Keeping McNabb, you have a potentially good team with playoff potential but no shot at a Super Bowl win. Getting rid of McNabb, the Eagles will be a mediocre-at-best team for about half a decade until they find a legitimate new QB, and there's a good percentage chance that even that QB will not be as good as McNabb. Might not be as big a choker, though.
Ridiculous. You haven't seen nearly enough of Kolb to decide what he will be in the NFL. He looks bad now, but so did Drew Brees in his first couple looks.
McNabb got to a Superbowl and lost by 3 points. Logic tells you if you can get that close you can win it. Oh, and he did that against Tom Brady. Maybe the most clutch QB in NFL history.
Quote from: Magical_Retard on January 19, 2009, 11:21:07 AM
Up until the last drive. McNabb played excellent in the 2nd half.
that was the only drive that mattered
mcnabb is a front running bed wetter
then the team is 5-5-1 and has nothing to play for hes great
when the team is down 24-6 and they have nothing to lose hes the best
when the season is on the line he folds like an antique accordian
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 19, 2009, 06:58:35 PM
that was the only drive that mattered
McNabb lead what would have been a game-winning drive, had the defense not packed it in.
A potentially game winning drive that ended in a terrific pass.
Quote from: General_Failure on January 19, 2009, 07:49:12 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 19, 2009, 06:58:35 PM
that was the only drive that mattered
McNabb lead what would have been a game-winning drive, had the defense not packed it in.
EXACTLY.
He sucked on the drive after that, but still. He did get enough points to win if the game were just a little shorter.
Quote from: General_Failure on January 19, 2009, 07:49:12 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 19, 2009, 06:58:35 PM
that was the only drive that mattered
McNabb lead what would have been a game-winning drive, had the defense not packed it in.
You're crazy. If McNabb was REALLY good... he would have bailed the Defense out TWICE instead of just once.
Or maybe just kept the ball out of the dirt in the first half.
Do you really want to list the things that should have happened in the 1st half that could have changed the game?
Sure, I've said all along that both the defense and Donovan are to blame. But to act like he played a great game is just silly.
Donovan played a good game. Not a great one.
The defense played a superzesty game. Not a kind of zesty one.
Quote from: General_Failure on January 19, 2009, 07:49:12 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 19, 2009, 06:58:35 PM
that was the only drive that mattered
McNabb lead what would have been a game-winning drive, had the defense not packed it in.
lol
he got a miracle touchdown off a 65 yard underthrow with 11 minutes left...id hardly call that a game winning drive
As is always the case when they succeed its in spite of McNabb. That may have been a "lucky" td but that 50 yd pass on 3rd and 19 and the other 2 TDs were by McNabb leading the team down the field and scoring 19 unanswered pts.
Of course the most important drive was the very last one but the defense shares equal blame for not showing up at all.
in the end kurt warner got it done and mcnabb didnt...thats the difference btwn a league mvp superbowl winner and a whining loser
arizonas defense is way worse than the eagles yet somehow the old man put up 32 and the puking comedian dropped seven pts less...game over
i knew this would give you a boner so im going to let you have it.
this is your favorite part of the year because you get to tell everyone how right you always are regardless of who you picked to win the game or how you picked the game to go.
and philly's defense is way better but arizona's offense is light yrs ahead of the eagles offense.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 19, 2009, 09:30:53 PM
in the end kurt warner got it done and mcnabb didnt...thats the difference btwn a league mvp superbowl winner and a whining loser
C'mon now, are we really going to have to compare the players around each of them? Apples and feces.
never once said i was right about anything...i predicted the eagles to destroy that sorry ass team
and one of the main reasons the arizona offense is better is because they have a two time mvp and sb winner at qb
im convinced youre bad luck kid--and I made bank off you like stated. keep it coming
your new name is jinxy
cant jinx a team that has gagged to the following franchises...
st louis
tampa bay
carolina
arizona
you cant even make this stuff up
but, but, but you said it was a lock, an igy special lock :-D
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 19, 2009, 10:40:46 PM
never once said i was right about anything...i predicted the eagles to destroy that sorry ass team
and one of the main reasons the arizona offense is better is because they have a two time mvp and sb winner at qb
Agreed, it also helps that they have 2 fargin 2 True #1 wr's and we have none
if yesterday doesnt show andy that a #1 wr is important then nothing will
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 19, 2009, 11:06:23 PM
if yesterday doesnt show andy that a #1 wr is important then nothing will
But McNabb sucks regardless, right?
never will
pats won 3 bowls w/out moss
tampa and carolina beat the eagles we/out a #1
obviously those teams > the eagles but andy dont see it that way
Quote from: MDS on January 19, 2009, 11:08:14 PM
never will
pats won 3 bowls w/out moss
tampa and carolina beat the eagles we/out a #1
Teams that have not considered running the ball to be a gimmick. Weird.
Quote from: General_Failure on January 19, 2009, 11:07:38 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 19, 2009, 11:06:23 PM
if yesterday doesnt show andy that a #1 wr is important then nothing will
But McNabb sucks regardless, right?
doesnt suck...just not very good
i mean hes lost to the likes of jake delhomme and brad johnson for god sakes
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 19, 2009, 11:06:23 PM
if yesterday doesnt show andy that a #1 wr is important then nothing will
which is exactly why they signed Danny Amendola
The Bucs and Panthers weren't better than the Eagles, the Eagles just laid down and let those worse teams rape them. Same goes for the Cards.
The Pats beat the Eagles with one of the best quarterbacks and one of the best head coaches of all time. McNabb and Reid aren't fit to wash their jocks. Of course, the Pats didn't play at their highest level in that game, and the Eagles would have won if McNabb and Reid could ever execute a successful two minute drill in a big game.
Quote from: SunMo on January 19, 2009, 08:26:51 PM
Sure, I've said all along that both the defense and Donovan are to blame. But to act like he played a great game is just silly.
Pretty sure I never said that...
I've been thinking about this since the game, and I can't decide whether McNabb is just bad or poorly coached?
Very much a hot/cold QB, when he's hot he can shred any Defense in the league, when he's cold the worms start ducking. Can't doubt his physical skills, so it's either mental (which means only McNabb can change things) or poor coaching.
Off the top of my head, I can't recall who the Eagle's QB coaches have been during Reid's career. Nothing against Pat Shurmur personally, but he's a college center who's previous coaching experience has been O-Line and Special Teams. Of course, Reid considers himself to be a QB 'developer', though he only spent two years coaching a mid-career Brett Favre.
It makes me think of the difference in Cunningham's play under Doug Scovill or at Minnesota, vs. his other coaches.
QuoteMCNABB'S ARIZONA YARD WAS VANDALIZED LAST WEEK
Posted by Mike Florio on January 19, 2009, 10:39 p.m.
Somehow overlooked in the days leading up to Sunday's NFC Championship game between the Eagles and the Cardinals was the fact that a group of juveniles vandalized the Arizona property owned by Philly quarterback Donovan McNabb.
The disclosure comes from Michael Silver of Yahoo! Sports.
"Go Cards" and related messages were burned into the lawn.
Per Silver, McNabb took a photo of the damaged lawn and used it as motivation for Sunday's game.
One of the culprits was identified because they left a box at the scene that contained a mailing label with his name and address.
Is that why we haven't seen CT, because he burned McNabb's lawn and was dumb enough to leave his name and address behind?
Quote from: NC_Eagle on January 20, 2009, 08:53:54 AM
It makes me think of the difference in Cunningham's play under Doug Scovill or at Minnesota, vs. his other coaches.
...or
possibly the presence of Cris Carter and Randy Moss.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 20, 2009, 11:19:55 AM
Quote
Per Silver, McNabb took a photo of the damaged lawn and used it as motivation for Sunday's game.
Which worked out nicely for him....
Quote from: Zanshin on January 20, 2009, 11:32:04 AM
Quote from: NC_Eagle on January 20, 2009, 08:53:54 AM
It makes me think of the difference in Cunningham's play under Doug Scovill or at Minnesota, vs. his other coaches.
...or possibly the presence of Cris Carter and Randy Moss.
That's a whole other bucket of worms that will never change with Andy in charge. Heck, I'd take Barnett and Williams over anyone on the team now, except for Jackson and Curtis, but that would be a close call.
Quote from: QB Eagles on January 19, 2009, 11:16:02 PM
The Bucs and Panthers weren't better than the Eagles, the Eagles just laid down and let those worse teams rape them. Same goes for the Cards.
The Pats beat the Eagles with one of the best quarterbacks and one of the best head coaches of all time. McNabb and Reid aren't fit to wash their jocks. Of course, the Pats didn't play at their highest level in that game, and the Eagles would have won if McNabb and Reid could ever execute a successful two minute drill in a big game.
although I came out and was originally pissed at the defense (and rightfully so) the more I keep tinkering with this shtein the more Im starting to get even more pissed at McNabb. Any outsider looking in and eagles fans can just scratch their heads again and say, "yep..thats Mcnabb...another poor attempt
when the game matters the most."
I look Look at Warner's short passes all game that went for huge gains...and I am so farging jealous. McNabb still throws that ball 100 mph, the nose of the ball down, behind the WR and at his knees. Forget the bombs he can throw. He has been screwing up that simple pass for 10 years...inexcusable. McNabb simply doesn't/and will never have that in his game...certainly not on a consistent basis and it will forever hurt the Eagles.
I need to get over this shtein
Schefter's usually reliable:
http://chat.nfl.com/front/archived_chat/104
QuoteJosh, Wellington FL 01:16 PM ET
will mcnabb be back in philly for years to come?
Adam Schefter, NFL Network
That's the question of the off-season, Josh. This has the makings of a Brett Favre drama written on it. McNabb will want long-term security, the Eagles will balk at giving him too much of it, and it sets up a potential showdown. Now I remember two years ago, an NFC team called the Eagles and asked what it would take to get McNabb. It was told three first-round picks. Don't think the price would be that high now, but if Philadelphia ever decided it would be willing to entertain trade offers, the Eagles start by asking for at least two first-round picks.
If they can get 2 first round picks for McNabb let the Kolb era begin
banner said on csn that neither mcnabb nor reid are going anywhere and will definitely be back...that said
Quote from: SD_Eagle on January 27, 2009, 10:17:53 AM
If they can get 2 first round picks for McNabb use one on a QB and let the __________ era begin.
A first round pick on a QB this year? One is likely going #1 overall, another started one year in college, and the other is a JaMarcus Russell clone. Wait until next year if you want a new non-Kolb QB...
why so serious?
I'm not....just saying this isn't the year to draft McNabb's replacement.
too bad Tebow decided to stay. his commitment to faith would of done wonders for this team and would of been a role model for all the players on the team.
Faith is not a bad thing in and of itself. Plus, you wouldn't give a shtein if he could win a Super Bowl as an Eagle. So shut it.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3874582 (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3874582)
get it done and get this man some fargin help for the love of all that is good.
donovan wants to be an eagle only if jim johnson is the defensive coordinator next year
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 31, 2009, 07:16:19 PM
donovan wants to be an eagle only if jim johnson is the defensive coordinator next year
And you want the Eagles to win the superbowl only if they have two losses in the regular season.......both of them being to the taterskins.
So the off-season dance begins. McNabb now wants to extract respect - especially after the disrespect of the benching. He has initiated the T/A game of: "They'll miss me when I'm gone", and also hopeful that the late season run also gives him a bit of the: "Now I've got you, you SOB" game. All the "I want to retire an Eagle", and other platitudes is mere window dressing and posturing.
The F/O could respond with their own game of "uproar" like they did with TO, but not likely. So how much money (respect) will the F/O give, before they feel they they look meekly submissive and lose "respect"? Well that's the transaction about to happen.
But rationally, why not let him go for even one first? Or one this year and another next. Look, lower cost, lower drama, (and yes, even retreads) like Collins, Warner, Cassel can be had for a lot less money and angst. And before the howls begin, look at what they did for their teams this past year. Even Garcia. And when those teams eventually lost like TN and TPA, it was their defense that let them down. (Just like the disaster in Phoenix a few weeks ago.)
There are, I think, big changes and uncertainty coming this year - a lot is in flux. (Johnson is done, aging skill players, weak draft, etc.) There will be no hop-skip-and-a-jump back to the NFCG. I say don't break the bank on betting that past performance is an indicator of what the slide-down on McNabb's career will be worth. If the price of his "respect" is even moderately high, then deal him - especially if the F/O is willing to take that money (and the cap money due on his current contract) and put it on other players.
Heresy maybe, but I think there are QB's who can manage AR's system for a lot less drama and cost. Put the money elsewhere. And we know that fat-boy isn't going anywhere, so deal McNabb. His demands for "respect" are transparent and shouldn't be overly entertained.
And his trade value will never be higher than it is right now.
Put together a stellar defense that can dictate games every week, and/or some incredible receivers on the offense, and you can put all the retread QBs out there you want.
Quote from: General_Failure on February 01, 2009, 12:33:09 PM
Put together a stellar defense that can dictate games every week, and/or some incredible receivers on the offense, and you can put all the retread QBs out there you want.
Or just win with McNabb.
cobb scares me to death
give me a better plan b and id have mcnabb on the first amtrak out of 30th street
Kolb might still surprise with some more reps - maybe. I don't think he is as truly bad as his first few outings, but whatever. I think this is a two-year plan. I am already writing off 09 as a moderate-to severe rebuild, and barring extreme divisional incompetence, 8-8 is likely. QB is likely less relevant to other issues this year.
im not basing cobb off the ravens or dallas games...im basing him off everything ive seen including two training camps college and his limited play so far...im also not ready to write him off completely which is why i said he scares me as opposed to saying something like he should never play a down for this team...i dont expect him to ever be a nfl starter but im willing to give him the benefit of the doubt at this point
there is no rebuidling in todays nfl...starting over is not reason to get rid of a good qb...im a critic of this team but theres no way you can write off a season in january.....dolphins went 1-15 to playoffs...thats just the way the league is right now...mcnabb is a maddening because hes better than most qb's in the league so he automatically puts the eagles in contention but he also is the reason they maybe will never win it all...theres no easy answer here
thats basically mcnabb in a nutshell.
there are no better options, so you gotta stick with him. he will most likely never win a super bowl because hes a sour, bitter, corny, unfunny loser, but hes also one of the best qbs in the nfl and hell get you to the playoffs. there, he might fall ass backwards into a bowl. probably not, but he gives you a better shot than kolb or feeley or anyone else their gonna get their hands on.
Quote from: MDS on February 01, 2009, 01:25:46 PM
thats basically mcnabb in a nutshell.
there are no better options, so you gotta stick with him. he will most likely never win a super bowl because hes a sour, bitter, corny, unfunny loser, but hes also one of the best qbs in the nfl and hell get you to the playoffs. there, he might fall ass backwards into a bowl. probably not, but he gives you a better shot than kolb or feeley or anyone else their gonna get their hands on.
Sign this guy up to do some sportswriting.
at the very least a blog
lets google my name so more you creepy perv
Perhaps, but this contract dance has a lot more freight to it than most suspect. Does it seem all he wants is just a little re-work so he can live the dream of retiring in Philly? Methinks not. This is as much about "someone's gonna pay" for the mid-season benching transgression, and all the other ones throughout the years. Like TO, he feels he is "outplaying" his current deal to a less than appreciative audience.
If the F/O gives him the princely sum, I'd suggest a longer run of disappointment because of future decisions made against that context, than if he was dealt.
How can a QB like Collins, Garcia, Casssel or a Warner not be a better option? Cheaper and better records by all of them, if the past year was any evidence. If the F/O could give up their myopic belief that McNabb is the grail, they'd have to pay more attention to other areas of the game.
Sadly, the F/O has no such insight, blindly believing that just another year will turn 5 into Elway-like redemption. Waiting for Godot, Waiting for Guffman, Waiting for a SB in Philly.
All that money for McNabb? Please. Meanwhile for the want of a measley $20,000 and "principal", Raheem Brock say's "hi".
McNabb had 375 yards passing and 3 touchdowns two weeks ago. And he did it with mostly zesty receivers, a complete absence of any sort of legitimate running game, and a retard on the sidelines calling the game like it was a pickup game on a sandlot in South Philly.
If the defense doesn't completely shtein the bed he wins that game going away.
McNabb isn't the farging problem, you iceholes.
Quote from: Rome on February 01, 2009, 02:22:18 PM
McNabb isn't the farging problem, you iceholes.
lol...i love you romey
Sign him to a contract.
Get him another weapon or two.
Send Kevin Kolb to the moon.
...and shtein the bed the first half for 6 farging points. More money spent on the other areas, a QB who isn't Jeckel and Hyde and maybe we don't need third quarter heroics. farg, a QB could just apply some heroics to the last three-farging-minutes-for-once-in-his-farging-career would be nice.
My point isn't his mercurial skills that ebb and flow by the quarter - it's that they shouldn't appease hidden agendas, sulking, etc. in the contract dance. Make it clear that for a fair price he stays - as a late career QB with some success. (Along with multiple flaws and injuries.) This isn't some litmus test for redressing other issues and grievances.
What happens if the deal lingers, and he pouts through mini-camps with sideways media leakage through proxy's? All while the D goes into major upheaval and aging players in other positions continue to bid farewell to their high-water marks.
Or a major announcement of huge money to stay forever - how does that make the Kolb pick look then? Does that mean the F/O retains all the other sentimental, one-step-over-the-hill favorites on the team? Like shifting doppelgangers, Reid and McNabb allow each other to mask team failure on a rotating basis preventing meaningful progress. I can't see much progress since 04. Has there been some?
For me, dealing McNabb means the rest of the organization - most importantly Lurie, would have to grow-up.
Please stop it with Kolb. He's a non-factor in all of this.
He's the non-factor of the future, baby!
At least when McNabb messed up in the first half it still led to 2 FGs and one missed FG. With the amount of money this team has under the cap why in the world would giving him more money concern you?
Kerry Collins, outside of a few games, had one of the better running games to help support him. Garcia has done nothing in Tampa Bay and himself needs a strong supporting cast. I love the dude but cmon. Warner only has amazing numbers when he has not 1 but 2 legitimate all pro WRs who just might be the best WR duo in the league right now. You think Warner puts up the same #s with these WRs? Cassel might be who we saw but he could also be the product of playing for the best coach in the league and just like Warner playing with 1 HOF WR and the perfect compliment in Welker. Better yet put McNabb on this past yrs Patriots team...you think he does not put up better #s than Casell?
The money should not be the issue. They have tons of it. They always do because they never use it. If they have to use some to re-sign him then do so. But if they get some offer that they can not say no to...then go ahead and trade him. But than that means even if they know Kolb is not ready they will force him out there.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on February 01, 2009, 03:03:57 PM
Sign him to a contract.
Get him another weapon or two.
Send Kevin Kolb to the moon.
this
Quote from: Magical_Retard on February 01, 2009, 03:32:18 PM
At least when McNabb messed up in the first half it still led to 2 FGs and one missed FG.
wow mcnabb apologists are hilarious
QuoteOr a major announcement of huge money to stay forever - how does that make the Kolb pick look then
why does everyone care so much about this Kolb pick being the end all or be all to McNabbs goodbye?
who cares what round it is...the front office has made a plethora of bad picks, are very well aware of it and still made it to the playoffs, championships and Superbowl. Did they win it all--no. will they cry in a corner with millions of dollars more because of it--yes. farg Kolb and his jelly arm
watching 2 qb's lead their teams to potentially super winning td drives last night reminded me how much of a choking bitch mcnabb is.
cobb sucks balls too.
when (http://www.philaflava.com/forum/images/smiles/icon_twrex_ROFLburger.gif) got the ball you knew 100% he was gonna score...when mcnabb gets the ball late you know 100% hes not gonna score
end of story
Quote from: hunt on February 02, 2009, 10:20:25 AM
watching 2 qb's lead their teams to potentially super winning td drives last night reminded me how much of a choking bitch mcnabb is.
cobb sucks balls too.
^^^That.
SUPER!
Quote from: hunt on February 02, 2009, 10:20:25 AM
watching 2 qb's lead their teams to potentially super winning td drives last night reminded me how much of a choking bitch mcnabb is.
cobb sucks balls too.
In reality, McNabb did the same thing in the NFCCG as Warner did last night. So, by your logic, Warner must be a choking bitch.
other than their head to head matchup which warner pawned and a superbowl ring mcnabb and warner are exactly alike
Just a little commentary on the "grass is always greener" mind set.
Id give my left nut to see McNabb bang a 2 min drive for a td near the end of regulation-which is what Warner did
Big Ben is better and has proved it over time in his comeback abilities
McNabb will never have it
...except the grass underneath where McNabb's passes usually land.
Quote from: reese125 on February 02, 2009, 12:11:34 PM
Id give my left nut to see McNabb bang a 2 min drive for a td near the end of regulation-which is what Warner did
Big Ben is better and has proved it over time in his comeback abilities
McNabb will never have it
How did they score that TD...the Cards?
Throw the ball up, let Fitzgerald catch it.
Who the farg on the Eagles could do that? I could have thrown that pass.
Quote from: reese125 on February 02, 2009, 12:11:34 PM
Id give my left nut to see McNabb bang a 2 min drive for a td near the end of regulation-which is what Warner did
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McNabb will never have it
I am pretty sure I remember McNabb doing that in the NFCCG, or didn't you watch the game? In fact, he brought them from 19 down only to have the defense screw the pooch.
Quote from: stalker on February 02, 2009, 12:15:26 PM
Quote from: reese125 on February 02, 2009, 12:11:34 PM
Id give my left nut to see McNabb bang a 2 min drive for a td near the end of regulation-which is what Warner did
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McNabb will never have it
I am pretty sure I remember McNabb doing that in the NFCCG, or didn't you watch the game? In fact, he brought them from 19 down only to have the defense screw the pooch.
Im sorry-what time of the game did Mcnabb score that td in the 4th? riiiight
Probably about 10 minutes or so. Warner's was with 3 or so to go. Big deal. Both led their teams on what should have been game winning drives and their respective defenses blew the lead.
Quote from: stalker on February 02, 2009, 12:24:58 PM
Probably about 10 minutes or so. Warner's was with 3 or so to go. Big deal. Both led their teams on what should have been game winning drives and their respective defenses blew the lead.
nah. 5 had one last shot with 2:50 remaining on the clock but he choked like a dog because that's what he does.
Quote from: hunt on February 02, 2009, 12:26:34 PM
Quote from: stalker on February 02, 2009, 12:24:58 PM
Probably about 10 minutes or so. Warner's was with 3 or so to go. Big deal. Both led their teams on what should have been game winning drives and their respective defenses blew the lead.
nah. 5 had one last shot with 2:50 remaining on the clock but he choked like a dog because that's what he does.
Hey, Warner had 1 last shot, albeit less time but he fumbled it away. What I am saying is that you should not let your bitterness cloud your judgment.
Quote from: hunt on February 02, 2009, 12:26:34 PM
Quote from: stalker on February 02, 2009, 12:24:58 PM
Probably about 10 minutes or so. Warner's was with 3 or so to go. Big deal. Both led their teams on what should have been game winning drives and their respective defenses blew the lead.
nah. 5 had one last shot with 2:50 remaining on the clock but he choked like a dog because that's what he does.
Or his receivers couldn't get open/dropped the ball. Story of his career
Quote from: stalker on February 02, 2009, 12:32:23 PM
Quote from: hunt on February 02, 2009, 12:26:34 PM
Quote from: stalker on February 02, 2009, 12:24:58 PM
Probably about 10 minutes or so. Warner's was with 3 or so to go. Big deal. Both led their teams on what should have been game winning drives and their respective defenses blew the lead.
nah. 5 had one last shot with 2:50 remaining on the clock but he choked like a dog because that's what he does.
Hey, Warner had 1 last shot, albeit less time but he fumbled it away. What I am saying is that you should not let your bitterness cloud your judgment.
warner had 30 seconds. not even close to the same thing.
but you'd know that if you've ever watched a football game.
Quote from: stalker on February 02, 2009, 12:32:23 PM
Quote from: hunt on February 02, 2009, 12:26:34 PM
Quote from: stalker on February 02, 2009, 12:24:58 PM
Probably about 10 minutes or so. Warner's was with 3 or so to go. Big deal. Both led their teams on what should have been game winning drives and their respective defenses blew the lead.
nah. 5 had one last shot with 2:50 remaining on the clock but he choked like a dog because that's what he does.
Hey, Warner had 1 last shot, albeit less time but he fumbled it away. What I am saying is that you should not let your bitterness cloud your judgment.
what the?
stalker--from what Im reading in other threads and peoples reactions to your comments, its time to stop posting for a while bud
seriously, get up out of your chair..stretch it out ...talk a long walk in the corn field behind your house and gather your disheveled thoughts
theres no chance stalolololker actually believes what he says
mcnabb had an underthrow that turned into a miracle with 11 minutes left and then had a gag when the game really mattered
yes the defense shtein the bed but even after all that the guy had the same opportunity that all quarterbacks have in their careers...a moment to define yourself...he didnt do it....
the
farging
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Can't you guys figure this out? It's a team farging sport! McNabb no more loses a game than Sav Rocca. They win as a team or lose as a team. Football is probably the ultimate team game. To heap this all on McNabb is a travesty. You idiots are the same ones complaining about how the WR's suck. You think that has no bearing on his success? You are all a bunch of whiny bitches. Sure, I would love for the Eagles to win a Super Bowl, but I have endured some excruciatingly bad seasons in the past and would much rather have McNabb and Reid than any other QB/Coach combination the Eagles have had since I have been a fan (1970 or so).
he defined himself the first time he choked under pressure, and has refined that definition with each performance since.
if the team's fate didn't rest squarely on his shoulders, it wouldn't matter so much that he withers under pressure; the rest of the team could do some of the heavy lifting and maybe even win a SB
but Reid won't allow that, so there you go
Right, because football games rely on such inhuman individual efforts McNabb should have been able to make everything work by sheer force of will
Quote from: stalker on February 02, 2009, 01:15:35 PM(http://www.philaflava.com/forum/images/smiles/dcracistemo0mp.gif)
^^^^
that
Quote from: Tomahawk on February 02, 2009, 01:16:46 PM
Right, because football games rely on such inhuman individual efforts McNabb should have been able to make everything work by sheer force of will
The Hoyda should have knuckled up and rushed Warner on his final drive. He knew how important pressure was. Favre would have done it.
Quote from: Diomedes on February 02, 2009, 01:17:01 PM
Quote from: stalker on February 02, 2009, 01:15:35 PM(http://www.philaflava.com/forum/images/smiles/dcracistemo0mp.gif)
Oh, he disagrees with us so he must be in the Klan. Dio, you are a childish, communist icehole. Just keep in mind, Reagan proved communism didn't work.
Did Ben look scared at all? Mcnabb looked like he was gonna hurl on that final drive. And Mcnabb is the best bet for this team to win a SB, but he's the definition of UnClutch
Quote from: stalker on February 02, 2009, 01:15:35 PM
Can't you guys figure this out? It's a team farging sport! McNabb no more loses a game than Sav Rocca. They win as a team or lose as a team. Football is probably the ultimate team game. To heap this all on McNabb is a travesty. You idiots are the same ones complaining about how the WR's suck. You think that has no bearing on his success? You are all a bunch of whiny bitches. Sure, I would love for the Eagles to win a Super Bowl, but I have endured some excruciatingly bad seasons in the past and would much rather have McNabb and Reid than any other QB/Coach combination the Eagles have had since I have been a fan (1970 or so).
I dont think everyone is blaming the loss
entirely on McNabb--but who gets the most heat--the leader of the team--especially when he has consistently failed in crunch time. thats what you are seeing here and in the media
the fact that you fail to see the past (which you seem to be so keen on) and are sticking up for him with off the wall comments about his comeback abilities are truly awesome
Everyone of you iceholes was lined up to suck his dick after the 4th and 26 play.
Quote from: reese125 on February 02, 2009, 01:21:48 PM
I dont think everyone is blaming the loss entirely on McNabb--but who gets the most heat--the leader of the team
reece actually making sense....how dumb does stalololololker feel
Quote from: stalker on February 02, 2009, 01:24:29 PM
Everyone of you iceholes was lined up to suck his dick after the 4th and 26 play.
HOW FRUCKING LONG AGO WAS THAT DIPshtein
Quote from: stalker on February 02, 2009, 01:24:29 PM
Everyone of you iceholes was lined up to suck his dick after the 4th and 26 play.
bullshtein--I sucked Freddie Mitchell's dick and have pics to prove it
Quote from: reese125 on February 02, 2009, 01:28:17 PM
Quote from: stalker on February 02, 2009, 01:24:29 PM
Everyone of you iceholes was lined up to suck his dick after the 4th and 26 play.
bullshtein--I sucked Freddie Mitchell's dick and have pics to prove it
Careful with saying shtein like that. You could drive a F150 your whole life and nobody will call you a truck driver, but you suck one little dick and you're forever known as a corksucker
comparing warner with Fitzgerald and Boldin to throw to with McNabb is POINTLESS. Are you kidding me comparing the 2?
I wouldn't look scared if I knew I had those guys out there catching whatever is thrown their way...no matter HOW bad the pass.
on a side note, Warner isnt a good QB, he's just a Average QB surrounded by great WR's his whole career.
Imagine if Donovan had Issac Bruce/Torry Holt for years then had Boldin/Fitz. Its just ridiculous how he's made a career out of having great WR's
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on February 02, 2009, 01:43:39 PM
on a side note, Warner isnt a good QB, he's just a Average QB surrounded by great WR's his whole career.
Imagine if Donovan had Issac Bruce/Torry Holt for years then had Boldin/Fitz. Its just ridiculous how he's made a career out of having great WR's
It doesnt matter who hes had--its not Warners fault that hes so damn accurate
Im not saying McNabb cant throw the rock but ill put my other nut on the line, now making me ball less, that Mcnabb misses half those passes Warner completed to Fitz, Boldin and Breaston slanting across the middle..especially in the 4th
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on February 02, 2009, 01:43:39 PM
on a side note, Warner isnt a good QB, he's just a Average QB surrounded by great WR's his whole career.
Imagine if Donovan had Issac Bruce/Torry Holt for years then had Boldin/Fitz. Its just ridiculous how he's made a career out of having great WR's
Correct sir!
I have a very hard time visualizing Hank Baskett, Avant, Curtis , Jackson (someday soon though, real soon) doing what we saw last night - on either team. shtein, give the birds the stability of Ward, talent of Holmes, TE like Miller, Fitzgerald/Boldin - makes me sick to my stomach.
Quote from: reese125 on February 02, 2009, 01:51:10 PM
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on February 02, 2009, 01:43:39 PM
on a side note, Warner isnt a good QB, he's just a Average QB surrounded by great WR's his whole career.
Imagine if Donovan had Issac Bruce/Torry Holt for years then had Boldin/Fitz. Its just ridiculous how he's made a career out of having great WR's
It doesnt matter who hes had--its not Warners fault that hes so damn accurate
Im not saying McNabb cant throw the rock but ill put my other nut on the line, now making me ball less, that Mcnabb misses half those passes Warner completed to Fitz, Boldin and Breaston slanting across the middle..especially in the 4th
im not saying he's accurate, but Warner isnt anywehre as great as everyone thinks
Quote from: Don Ho on February 02, 2009, 01:52:07 PM
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on February 02, 2009, 01:43:39 PM
on a side note, Warner isnt a good QB, he's just a Average QB surrounded by great WR's his whole career.
Imagine if Donovan had Issac Bruce/Torry Holt for years then had Boldin/Fitz. Its just ridiculous how he's made a career out of having great WR's
Correct sir!
I have a very hard time visualizing Hank Baskett, Avant, Curtis , Jackson (someday soon though, real soon) doing what we saw last night - on either team. shtein, give the birds the stability of Ward, talent of Holmes, TE like Miller, Fitzgerald/Boldin - makes me sick to my stomach.
The big problem with that is that you would have to suck, really suck for a few years to get those kind of draft picks.
yeah, Boldin was picked so early.
Or trade up to them. Or get lucky and hope some receiver over 5'8 drops out of the top ten.
Its sad and at the same time pretty impressive what McNabb has done with mediocre talent. one year they get a stud, they go to the superbowl. hmmm...correct me if im wrong, but didn't Curtis have that 4th down ball go right through his hands against the Cards?
Top QB's in the game have top receivers and talented guys. Not many teams in the league don't have a number one guy. We are one of them. Jacksonville, Chiefs, Oakland, Rams, Niners, Bears and Vikings to name some others. 80% percent of teams in the league have a legit number one guy. We don't. Oh and we are pass happy. Even if we have a balanced offense we still need one guy.
No, not Boldin but you most teams need several shots at those top 5 picks to land a Fitz.
Quote from: mussa on February 02, 2009, 02:26:15 PM
Its sad and at the same time pretty impressive what McNabb has done with mediocre talent. one year they get a stud, they go to the superbowl. hmmm...correct me if im wrong, but didn't Curtis have that 4th down ball go right through his hands against the Cards?
Top QB's in the game have top receivers and talented guys. Not many teams in the league don't have a number one guy. We are one of them. Jacksonville, Chiefs, Oakland, Rams, Niners, Bears and Vikings to name some others. 80% percent of teams in the league have a legit number one guy. We don't. Oh and we are pass happy. Even if we have a balanced offense we still need one guy.
However, 81 was not around for the NFCCG so really that argument that I see all the time is not valid. and what does constitute a legit number one guy?
curtis had it go thru his hands, but was tackled and nationally the talking heads said it was PI. It's why i dont want to hear Cards fans cry about the fumble at the end of the game yesterday. Then again i still dont think Cardinals fans exist
What receivers did the Falcons have? Let alone their QB was way overrated. Beating the Falcons was expected. Beating an AFC team in the superbowl is a whole other ball game. You do realize how horrible the NFC was and can be argued still is.
Some of you cats are as predictable as a farging sunrise.
Quote from: mussa on February 02, 2009, 02:26:15 PM
Its sad and at the same time pretty impressive what McNabb has done with mediocre talent. one year they get a stud, they go to the superbowl. hmmm...correct me if im wrong, but didn't Curtis have that 4th down ball go right through his hands against the Cards?
Top QB's in the game have top receivers and talented guys. Not many teams in the league don't have a number one guy. We are one of them. Jacksonville, Chiefs, Oakland, Rams, Niners, Bears and Vikings to name some others. 80% percent of teams in the league have a legit number one guy. We don't. Oh and we are pass happy. Even if we have a balanced offense we still need one guy.
Torry "Big Game" Holt hates you
Give McNabb Fitz/Boldin plus a healthy Westbrook and the Eagles might not lose a game all year. Well, at least not because of the offense, anyway.
Nonsense. McNabb would still go through Bengals/Ravens-like performances and Reid would still refuse to alter his game plan.
Quote from: stalker on February 02, 2009, 02:27:33 PMmost teams need several shots at those top 5 picks to land a Fitz.
like the Lions, who took 3 Fitzs
Quote from: mussa on February 02, 2009, 02:26:15 PM
Its sad and at the same time pretty impressive what McNabb has done with mediocre talent. one year they get a stud, they go to the superbowl. hmmm...correct me if im wrong, but didn't Curtis have that 4th down ball go right through his hands against the Cards?
Top QB's in the game have top receivers and talented guys. Not many teams in the league don't have a number one guy. We are one of them. Jacksonville, Chiefs, Oakland, Rams, Niners, Bears and Vikings to name some others. 80% percent of teams in the league have a legit number one guy. We don't. Oh and we are pass happy. Even if we have a balanced offense we still need one guy.
Okay, here is how stupid you are. These teams without a bigtime number 1 made the playoffs. Eagles, Giants, Ravens, Falcons, Vikings, Dolphins.
I would much rather cheer for the: Lions, Bengals, Browns etc.
Face it. Your a moron.
Quote from: rjs246 on February 02, 2009, 03:04:54 PM
Nonsense. McNabb would still go through Bengals/Ravens-like performances and Reid would still refuse to alter his game plan.
Shut up.
who are the steelers great wr's?
The Steelers have the best blueprint to win. Strong Running game, Top 3 D, and QB who doesnt puke under pressure
that last one is kind of important
Willie Beman!
Hines Ward is a great possession wide receiver who rarely ever drops a pass. His blocking is amazing and plays with no fear. His total game makes him leagues better than any receiver on the Eagles. He might not have the numbers, but the guy is a hell of a player.
Quote from: stalker on February 02, 2009, 03:10:48 PM
Quote from: mussa on February 02, 2009, 02:26:15 PM
Its sad and at the same time pretty impressive what McNabb has done with mediocre talent. one year they get a stud, they go to the superbowl. hmmm...correct me if im wrong, but didn't Curtis have that 4th down ball go right through his hands against the Cards?
Top QB's in the game have top receivers and talented guys. Not many teams in the league don't have a number one guy. We are one of them. Jacksonville, Chiefs, Oakland, Rams, Niners, Bears and Vikings to name some others. 80% percent of teams in the league have a legit number one guy. We don't. Oh and we are pass happy. Even if we have a balanced offense we still need one guy.
Okay, here is how stupid you are. These teams without a bigtime number 1 made the playoffs. Eagles, Giants, Ravens, Falcons, Vikings, Dolphins.
I would much rather cheer for the: Lions, Bengals, Browns etc.
Face it. Your a moron.
When did I say having a good wide receiver guaranteed getting to the playoffs? This is about McNabb and the weapons he lacks. Top 5 QB's in the league all have a #1 if not multiple and some even have a great TE.
EVERY TEAM YOU pointed out relies on the run game. They are RUN FIRST TEAMS you god damn twit and not only that the Giants, Ravens and Vikings and maybe even the Falcons had damn good defenses. Now, the Giants had Plaxico for most of the year. Roddy White of the Falcons had a huge year and if all goes well can be producing great numbers with Ryan at the helm. Derrick Mason is better than any Eagles receiver and he's basically on social security. The Vikings have nobody, as I already said. Ted Ginn had a breakout year and has yet to prove he's a number one, but who cares when you have that running attack.
The Eagles are the only team you pointed out that is not a run first team, AS WE ALL KNOW. We all know their little trip to the playoffs this year was a god damn miracle. My point isn't that you need a number one to get anywhere in the league, but it sure helps. If our team is pass first, why the farg havn't we gotten a legit man at WR in 4 years??? Get the guy some weapons! You can't argue that!
McNabb would obviously be better with better WRs, but that doesn't excuse the fact that he threw awful passes on the final drive against Arizona. Those passes were so bad that not even Fitzgerald catches those, and if he does, he is immediately tackled, because he has no YAC.
With that said, the Eagles probably aren't in the position where they need to pull together a game winning drive if they had a stud #1 WR, because they put up more points.
The Steelers don't have a true stud #1 WR though. Ward is a possession guy, and I'd take DeSean Jackson over Holmes in a heartbeat. Roethlisberger is better than McNabb though.
Ypu prove most of my points. Ginn was what 1 or 2 in the draft? He's pedestrian. Roddy White? Twenty six teams took a pass on him. Breaston? Fifth rounder. So the theory is that Reggie Brown, DeSean Jackson, and that skier/punt returner who's name skips me were all brought in to be a legit number 1. It's damn near impossible to project that in advance. If Fitz or Moss are a number 1, how can you say that 80% of the teams in the NFL have a Fitz or Moss? The Eagles made a run at Moss (who I contend is one of 2-3 number 1's in the NFL) and couldn't get it done. I really can not see how most of these other "number 1's" are that significant an upgrade over what is in here right now? For every Fitz's drafted there are 5 Reggie Williams'.
Your Derrick Masom comment is laughable.
We can however, agree on Ward. Love that guy. Not a wide receiver, he's a football player.
wtf....Ginn was the 9th pick in the draft and nobody said Jeremy Bloom was going to be a #1. Most thought he was nothing more than a project at punt returner...
dont even waste your time easy
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on February 02, 2009, 02:28:38 PM
curtis had it go thru his hands, but was tackled and nationally the talking heads said it was PI. It's why i dont want to hear Cards fans cry about the fumble at the end of the game yesterday. Then again i still dont think Cardinals fans exist
pow
It was hilarious last night when ever the Cardinals did something great the collective gasp of "Oh no!" from the Steeler fans far outweighed any Cardinal cheering.
LOL
Quote from: stalker on February 02, 2009, 05:49:01 PM
Ypu prove most of my points. Ginn was what 1 or 2 in the draft? He's pedestrian. Roddy White? Twenty six teams took a pass on him. Breaston? Fifth rounder. So the theory is that Reggie Brown, DeSean Jackson, and that skier/punt returner who's name skips me were all brought in to be a legit number 1. It's damn near impossible to project that in advance. If Fitz or Moss are a number 1, how can you say that 80% of the teams in the NFL have a Fitz or Moss? The Eagles made a run at Moss (who I contend is one of 2-3 number 1's in the NFL) and couldn't get it done. I really can not see how most of these other "number 1's" are that significant an upgrade over what is in here right now? For every Fitz's drafted there are 5 Reggie Williams'.
Your Derrick Masom comment is laughable.
We can however, agree on Ward. Love that guy. Not a wide receiver, he's a football player.
Neither of those WR's we drafted were brought in to be number one. They weren't projected to be number ones and they are not number ones! What does this have to do with the draft? I never said anything about drafting a stud. If you think Reid can draft a stud, your wrong. The best way for us to fill that position is free agency or major trade. Do you really want to go another year without someone better in the WR position? Is the Eagles offensive scheme going to change from PASS to RUN? NO! The receivers have proven when they run first then they have a better chance of getting the job done. Fitz, Boldin and Breaston all had over 75 catches and all had over a 1,000 yards. Are you telling me even if we had that lineup, McNabb couldn't produce those numbers?
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 02, 2009, 04:36:33 AM
Quote from: Magical_Retard on February 01, 2009, 03:32:18 PM
At least when McNabb messed up in the first half it still led to 2 FGs and one missed FG.
wow mcnabb apologists are hilarious
I know I am not getting this crap from you. The same man who thought the game was a lock but that it would still be a shootout. The same person who thought the Eagles would need to score like how they did during the Thanksgiving game (48 pts) but that it was still a lock? The same person who thinks the defense giving 32 pts is not shocking, even though he kept referencing the Thanksgiving game as a indicator for the offense, ignoring the fact that the defense that day gave up only 20 pts.
McNabb messed up the 2 min drive, as always even though two passes were dropped, and he messed up pretty much all of the first half. My comment about "at least when McNabb messed up" was in relation to the defense arguing JackStraw's point about letting McNabb go to get a game manager like Kerry Collins. What would have Kerry Collins done in the first half? For a pass first team with ok WRs and no running game and oh yeah the most skilled player on the team (Westbrook) completely unproductive? Maybe learn to read within the context before you bring out your tired APOLOGIST or FO LURIE LAPPER routine.
I never claimed McNabb to be clutch or for that matter accurate. If I did it would be rather hypocritical of me to complain and moan about how much they need a upgrade at their skill positions. But yes if you look at the Cards game, while the defense and McNabb both blew the game, at least when McNabb was messing up in the first half they still put up some points. 2 FGs and one missed. What did the defense do? Give up 3TDS? Two of them on slow time consuming drives. They tore the defense a new one. Matter of fact what did the Steelers offense do all game before the final drive on the 4rth qrt? Failed to score from the goal-line and settle for a FG? SHOCKING. But luckily for Ben, he has a monster D that actually forced a turnover and scored on a incredible play. They had a D that held the Cardinals to 7 pts pretty much all game till Fitz decided to take over the game.
Ben is incredible in the 2 min drive, has been all year and all career pretty much, but he is not coached by a dumbass who believes in PASS PASS PASS, and he basically has to manage the game until the very end. His defense usually keeps the score close enough that they can strike at any time. Ben, in the last 10 yrs, is the most clutch QB I have seen in terms of always pulling out a magical drive. For that alone he is better than McNabb, but as always its about who he is playing for, which coach, what kind of team, and the defense. That play where Harrison picked off Warner was exactly what the Eagles would not have done. JJ would have dialed all out blitz, like he always does and like it seemed the Steelers did, cept Harrison dropped back in the zone and tricked Warner. The Eagles never once fooled Warner because they did what they showed. ALL OUT BLITZ ALL DAY. JJ would have left a Joselio Hanson one on one with Boldin there and Boldin would have had that TD.
This Eagles offense is what it is. Highly inconsistent. They can put up huge numbers one week and lay a egg against the Bengals of all teams. So to get only 3 FGs in the first half of that Cards game is not all that shocking. They have been a terrible redzone team for two years, have Curtis as a starter, no running game, no productivity from Westbrook...so yeah in relation the defense McNabb at the very least put up 6.
Only way they get this offense to be consistent is to have some running game even if they call it 10 times or less...it still has to produce something, and get ONE BIG TIME player at the WR position so when McNabb is in a funk there is at least somebody who can pick up the offense. Maybe its just a RB who can compliment Westbrook so well that Reid can not use Westbrook's injury as a justification to not run at all. It would have to be someone better than Buck, cause even though the guy produces, you just know as soon as Westbrook is hurt Reid uses that as a excuse to not run at all no matter how well Buck plays. I mean its so obvious now my friends who are Giants fans even wonder why Buck does not get the ball.
Defense....same thing as always...they have no pass rush outside of the blitz. Guys like Parker and Howard are nice for the rotation but they basically pick a bunch of these sacks against lesser teams or only when there is a huge blitz dialed up. The Steelers actually got pressure on Warner. Eagles had pedestrian pressure even with all that blitzing.
All great points. I look forward to McNabb pressing - both publicly and privately, the need for impact players rather than palaver about "retiring" an Eagle. We know his contract is structured to trigger re-negotiations about now so how much, as "leader", will he press for help on the offense? Especially if he believes, as many do, that is the reason for his woeful underachievement in big games over the years.
There won't be JJ to kick around next year, and the D is likely to be even more suspect barring some miracle of new coaching and talent. Further, might Reid, by proxy or otherwise, take those strategy and play-calling duties over, too, since its worked out so well on offense? All the more reason to insist on real help.
Recall the very first offensive play of the Cruds game. Pass by McNabb that was at once nearly in the dirt and nearly a pick had the defender jumped a tad sooner. How many knew it was going to be a long day after that? How many thought - based on that one play - here is another slow start in a big game? How can a pro of that tenure get the yips so often in games?
Never mind calling a pass on the first play - that's another story....
Well that's the Eagles no? But usually the defense bails them out or keep the game close enough so that by the time McNabb gets his head right they have the chance to go ahead and build a lead. The first pass might have been a low thrown ball but overall how he had been playing this post season I was not too worried. What scared me from the start was the way the defense played. After all I think the Eagles 2nd offensive play was McNabb taking off for 20 some yards. That actually led me to believe he would get off to a good start. Most of the first half they moved the ball pretty well but as always stalled as they got into the redzone or right outside of the redzone. Of course they would not have needed to stall there if McNabb does not miss Baskett on that one crossing pattern.
Anyway I do not think McNabb has any real power in terms of clamoring for more help and getting it. He did so last off season, a bit more vocally, and they answered with signing Samuel while claiming the tried to sign Moss and trade for Fitz. I do not buy it. So McNabb say all he wants that they need more weapons but its just what he thinks he needs to say when asked the question about next season. Besides if it the team to realize they need help when the players say so then you know your coach and FO are completely delusional. And we know that even if they realize they need more help they would never make it seem like they answered a demand. Not this proud bunch. I honestly do not expect much, or any major, upgrades on offense at all. Maybe they draft a 2nd RB and let Buck walk and maybe they sign/draft some instant production guys for the OLINE but I am pretty confident that this FO will look at the team as the team that almost lost to the Cards rather then the team that went 9-6-1 and by a miracle got into the playoffs.
But seriously if you are talking about overall philosophy I will not argue with you. I heard Tomlin last night in his press conference talk about how much they practice the 2 min drill in practice, and that it is probably more than any other team. The Eagles it seems like never bother to practice the 2 min drill ever. There have been rumors/reports that they do not even spend much time in practice on the running game. This philosophy forces the team to be one dimensional by design even when the best player on the team is the RB. If this team was a run heavy team and only needed a QB who can pull out great 2 min drives then hey get rid of McNabb and get a journey man veteran QB and I am sure they still get deep into the playoffs and possibly more.
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 02, 2009, 04:07:26 PM
who are the steelers great wr's?
Are you farging retarded?
Hines Ward's last 8 years.
94rec, 1003 yards, 4 TDS
112rec, 1329, 12
95, 1163, 10
80, 1004, 4
69, 975, 11
74, 975, 6
71, 732, 7
81, 1043, 7
The only 3 years he didn't go over 1000 yards, he didn't play all 16 games.
He's in and has been in a run first offense
He wasn't the only option on the team (Burress for a while and then Holmes)
The Eagles have had 2 guys go over 1,000 yards receiving since 2001, and only 1 other guy go over 900 yards, which was this year.
Ward had 3 double digit TD seasons...the Eagles have had one guy that has done that since 2001. And he did it once
Ward has had 5 seasons of 7 or more TD's....The Eagles have had 3 different wide receivers do that in 8 years.
All this done by Ward in an offense that has historically been run first....while the Eagles have been ridiculously pass happy.
Seriously....go put a gun in your mouth and pull the trigger as many times as you can before you die.
His collective career means nothing. He was a borderline great WR, but now he isn't great anymore. Just because you go over 1,000 yards doesn't make you great. Curtis did last year and he isn't great.
Maybe you throw the word great around easily, but some people don't. Great belongs to the elite of the elite. Ward isn't that.
Ward is better than every guy they've had sans TO since McNabb became QB...and he STILL may be a better overall player to have than TO because he's not all about him...he's a beast football player who catches the ball well, gets first downs, gets touchdowns, and goes head hunting while he's at it.
Don't be a retard and downplay the significance of having a guy like Ward and a playmaker like Burress or Holmes opposite of him.
Quote from: Magical_Retard on February 02, 2009, 06:46:18 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 02, 2009, 04:36:33 AM
Quote from: Magical_Retard on February 01, 2009, 03:32:18 PM
At least when McNabb messed up in the first half it still led to 2 FGs and one missed FG.
wow mcnabb apologists are hilarious
I know I am not getting this crap from you. The same man who thought the game was a lock but that it would still be a shootout. The same person who thought the Eagles would need to score like how they did during the Thanksgiving game (48 pts) but that it was still a lock? The same person who thinks the defense giving 32 pts is not shocking, even though he kept referencing the Thanksgiving game as a indicator for the offense, ignoring the fact that the defense that day gave up only 20 pts.
:-D
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You are right - I don't think McNabb has it in him to press the point. But just think if he publicly, and emphatically pushed for talent upgrades. Not calling anybody out, all done respectfully, etc. Think about the results of that ballsey strategy:
Instant love from fans and adoration of the press.
Sputtering and seething from the FO - followed by more platitudes and excuses thinner than a Holiday Inn towel.
What are they gonna do? Trade him? Oh, that would piss him off, huh?
Bench him (again)? Don't think so
It paints the F/O into a contract corner better than any weak-sauce proclamations of: "I want to retire an Eagle".
He wins either way. No supporting-cast upgrades and he continues to have the easy-out. If they do it, then he gets his shot with no excuses. It gives him a shot at redemption and he alone has the vig and the standing to say the emperor wears no clothes. But sadly, no such luck unless it weasels-out of him in some easily retractable Pam Oliver type situation....
Cause, you know, its more pressure. Easier to just get a new contract and leave the rest in the capable hands of Dear Leader...
Quote from: JackStraw on February 02, 2009, 09:11:44 PM
You are right - I don't think McNabb has it in him to press the point. But just think if he publicly, and emphatically pushed for talent upgrades. Not calling anybody out, all done respectfully, etc. Think about the results of that ballsey strategy:
Instant love from fans and adoration of the press.
Sputtering and seething from the FO - followed by more platitudes and excuses thinner than a Holiday Inn towel.
What are they gonna do? Trade him? Oh, that would piss him off, huh?
Bench him (again)? Don't think so
It paints the F/O into a contract corner better than any weak-sauce proclamations of: "I want to retire an Eagle".
He wins either way. No supporting-cast upgrades and he continues to have the easy-out. If they do it, then he gets his shot with no excuses. It gives him a shot at redemption and he alone has the vig and the standing to say the emperor wears no clothes. But sadly, no such luck unless it weasels-out of him in some easily retractable Pam Oliver type situation....
Cause, you know, its more pressure. Easier to just get a new contract and leave the rest in the capable hands of Dear Leader...
I think I agree with everything you just said except for the point about doing so would win him over with the fans. I think with him its basically win a Superbowl or it does not matter. No matter what he says or how he says it. I mean this season we have seen fans criticize him for even shaking hands with players of the opposing team before and after the game. I have heard fans claim McNabb is never on the sideline going over the plays like most QBs do and its because he is too arrogant. Him publicly saying something about more weapons will only be spinned into "McNabb deflects blame and burries his teammates". When he said they needed more weapons last ys at this very exact time, fans on a certain other board compared him to TO because he was throwing guys like Reggie Brown, Curtis, and Baskett under the bus.
But yeah in McNabb's eyes he was probably being very rebellious against leader last time he mentioned something about upgrades. And even then after they only signed Samuel, he claimed he meant weapons in general and not just at WR. That was the most he was willing to say, and I doubt he says anything more this off season even though considering how this past season played he has all the ammo. He has nothing to lose and he might even just want to go play somewhere else.
Hopefully he wises up.
Quote from: Magical_Retard on February 02, 2009, 09:46:59 PM
He has nothing to lose and he might even just want to go play somewhere else.
With the crap he's had to throw too during his career, wouldn't you? I know I would.
Quote from: shorebird on February 02, 2009, 09:59:48 PM
Quote from: Magical_Retard on February 02, 2009, 09:46:59 PM
He has nothing to lose and he might even just want to go play somewhere else.
With the crap he's had to throw too during his career, wouldn't you? I know I would.
I personally think everything is overblown and call it the blue ball syndrome. I doubt he hates the fan like some fans like to believe and I doubt they hate him like McNabb would like to believe. The same fans think he is too sensitive to criticism are the same fans who get their feelings hurt when they think McNabb does not like them back. Bunch of overgrown babies who have nothing better to do in their lives then to sit there and over analyze every word spoken to find some true meaning behind it like its the Da Vinci Code. Or wait try to decipher is McNabb is angry because he does a press conference from some new location rather than some Eagles approved designation.
If I was McNabb, with my own mindset of course, I would be thankful for the opportunity to be paid as much as I am, not care what the fans think of me when the chips are down, and YES demand more weapons cause I am getting older and the rest of the division is improved compared to say 5 seasons ago. I also demand, maybe on behalf of the RBs, to run the ball more.
But even the RBs we have are such followers that you know they would never ever question Reid or call him out on it. That is Reid's doing...the players he has. Its the main reason, besides money, that he will never acquire a big name talent like say Ocho Cinco cause you know he will not fall in line.
Quote from: Munson on February 02, 2009, 08:45:07 PM
Ward is better than every guy they've had sans TO since McNabb became QB...and he STILL may be a better overall player to have than TO because he's not all about him...he's a beast football player who catches the ball well, gets first downs, gets touchdowns, and goes head hunting while he's at it.
Don't be a retard and downplay the significance of having a guy like Ward and a playmaker like Burress or Holmes opposite of him.
Right now if you would take Ward over Jackson you are clinically insane. Ward is a nice player, but Jackson has nothing but bright years ahead of him. He also scares defenses with his speed in a way Ward doesn't. There is a reason Holmes got all the passes on the final drive. He's their big play guy now. Not Ward.
Quote from: Magical_Retard on February 02, 2009, 10:12:45 PM
Quote from: shorebird on February 02, 2009, 09:59:48 PM
Quote from: Magical_Retard on February 02, 2009, 09:46:59 PM
He has nothing to lose and he might even just want to go play somewhere else.
With the crap he's had to throw too during his career, wouldn't you? I know I would.
I personally think everything is overblown and call it the blue ball syndrome. I doubt he hates the fan like some fans like to believe and I doubt they hate him like McNabb would like to believe. The same fans think he is too sensitive to criticism are the same fans who get their feelings hurt when they think McNabb does not like them back. Bunch of overgrown babies who have nothing better to do in their lives then to sit there and over analyze every word spoken to find some true meaning behind it like its the Da Vinci Code. Or wait try to decipher is McNabb is angry because he does a press conference from some new location rather than some Eagles approved designation.
If I was McNabb, with my own mindset of course, I would be thankful for the opportunity to be paid as much as I am, not care what the fans think of me when the chips are down, and YES demand more weapons cause I am getting older and the rest of the division is improved compared to say 5 seasons ago. I also demand, maybe on behalf of the RBs, to run the ball more.
But even the RBs we have are such followers that you know they would never ever question Reid or call him out on it. That is Reid's doing...the players he has. Its the main reason, besides money, that he will never acquire a big name talent like say Ocho Cinco cause you know he will not fall in line.
Retard, I am sure it will kill you to know that I agree with almost this whole post. The last paragraph is a little nuts though. Does Reid look for a certain personality in his players? Probably. Is that bad? No.
Quote from: King Cole on February 02, 2009, 10:16:14 PM
Quote from: Munson on February 02, 2009, 08:45:07 PM
Ward is better than every guy they've had sans TO since McNabb became QB...and he STILL may be a better overall player to have than TO because he's not all about him...he's a beast football player who catches the ball well, gets first downs, gets touchdowns, and goes head hunting while he's at it.
Don't be a retard and downplay the significance of having a guy like Ward and a playmaker like Burress or Holmes opposite of him.
Right now if you would take Ward over Jackson you are clinically insane. Ward is a nice player, but Jackson has nothing but bright years ahead of him. He also scares defenses with his speed in a way Ward doesn't. There is a reason Holmes got all the passes on the final drive. He's their big play guy now. Not Ward.
Or it could be that Ward was visibly hurt, a question going into the game, and was only used for certain plays during the game. Ward has no game changing speed, and yes Desean does have the upside, but Ward is no joke.
Quote from: Magical_Retard on February 02, 2009, 10:45:04 PM
Quote from: King Cole on February 02, 2009, 10:16:14 PM
Quote from: Munson on February 02, 2009, 08:45:07 PM
Ward is better than every guy they've had sans TO since McNabb became QB...and he STILL may be a better overall player to have than TO because he's not all about him...he's a beast football player who catches the ball well, gets first downs, gets touchdowns, and goes head hunting while he's at it.
Don't be a retard and downplay the significance of having a guy like Ward and a playmaker like Burress or Holmes opposite of him.
Right now if you would take Ward over Jackson you are clinically insane. Ward is a nice player, but Jackson has nothing but bright years ahead of him. He also scares defenses with his speed in a way Ward doesn't. There is a reason Holmes got all the passes on the final drive. He's their big play guy now. Not Ward.
Or it could be that Ward was visibly hurt, a question going into the game, and was only used for certain plays during the game. Ward has no game changing speed, and yes Desean does have the upside, but Ward is no joke.
We gotta stop agreeing like this. Ward is a FOOTBALL player. He is a MAN. I would take him on my team any day. Not flashy but JC he brings an awful lot to the table.
Quote from: stalker on February 02, 2009, 10:43:25 PM
Quote from: Magical_Retard on February 02, 2009, 10:12:45 PM
Quote from: shorebird on February 02, 2009, 09:59:48 PM
Quote from: Magical_Retard on February 02, 2009, 09:46:59 PM
He has nothing to lose and he might even just want to go play somewhere else.
With the crap he's had to throw too during his career, wouldn't you? I know I would.
I personally think everything is overblown and call it the blue ball syndrome. I doubt he hates the fan like some fans like to believe and I doubt they hate him like McNabb would like to believe. The same fans think he is too sensitive to criticism are the same fans who get their feelings hurt when they think McNabb does not like them back. Bunch of overgrown babies who have nothing better to do in their lives then to sit there and over analyze every word spoken to find some true meaning behind it like its the Da Vinci Code. Or wait try to decipher is McNabb is angry because he does a press conference from some new location rather than some Eagles approved designation.
If I was McNabb, with my own mindset of course, I would be thankful for the opportunity to be paid as much as I am, not care what the fans think of me when the chips are down, and YES demand more weapons cause I am getting older and the rest of the division is improved compared to say 5 seasons ago. I also demand, maybe on behalf of the RBs, to run the ball more.
But even the RBs we have are such followers that you know they would never ever question Reid or call him out on it. That is Reid's doing...the players he has. Its the main reason, besides money, that he will never acquire a big name talent like say Ocho Cinco cause you know he will not fall in line.
Retard, I am sure it will kill you to know that I agree with almost this whole post. The last paragraph is a little nuts though. Does Reid look for a certain personality in his players? Probably. Is that bad? No.
No what kills me is that I have to erase my native tongue so WHITEY can give me a fair chance but that is another topic.
Having guys who do not get in trouble with the law and are not locker room cancers is a great thing. But that is dividing these players into two extremes. Your either a quiet humble team guy or TO. I simply think they need more guys who when they see something odd speak up. Not to the media but maybe behind closed doors. Someone...anyone who gets thru to Reid.
Quote from: Magical_Retard on February 02, 2009, 10:48:42 PM
Quote from: stalker on February 02, 2009, 10:43:25 PM
Quote from: Magical_Retard on February 02, 2009, 10:12:45 PM
Quote from: shorebird on February 02, 2009, 09:59:48 PM
Quote from: Magical_Retard on February 02, 2009, 09:46:59 PM
He has nothing to lose and he might even just want to go play somewhere else.
With the crap he's had to throw too during his career, wouldn't you? I know I would.
I personally think everything is overblown and call it the blue ball syndrome. I doubt he hates the fan like some fans like to believe and I doubt they hate him like McNabb would like to believe. The same fans think he is too sensitive to criticism are the same fans who get their feelings hurt when they think McNabb does not like them back. Bunch of overgrown babies who have nothing better to do in their lives then to sit there and over analyze every word spoken to find some true meaning behind it like its the Da Vinci Code. Or wait try to decipher is McNabb is angry because he does a press conference from some new location rather than some Eagles approved designation.
If I was McNabb, with my own mindset of course, I would be thankful for the opportunity to be paid as much as I am, not care what the fans think of me when the chips are down, and YES demand more weapons cause I am getting older and the rest of the division is improved compared to say 5 seasons ago. I also demand, maybe on behalf of the RBs, to run the ball more.
But even the RBs we have are such followers that you know they would never ever question Reid or call him out on it. That is Reid's doing...the players he has. Its the main reason, besides money, that he will never acquire a big name talent like say Ocho Cinco cause you know he will not fall in line.
Retard, I am sure it will kill you to know that I agree with almost this whole post. The last paragraph is a little nuts though. Does Reid look for a certain personality in his players? Probably. Is that bad? No.
No what kills me is that I have to erase my native tongue so WHITEY can give me a fair chance but that is another topic.
Having guys who do not get in trouble with the law and are not locker room cancers is a great thing. But that is dividing these players into two extremes. Your either a quiet humble team guy or TO. I simply think they need more guys who when they see something odd speak up. Not to the media but maybe behind closed doors. Someone...anyone who gets thru to Reid.
Come on you really think it's racism? No way. It's just Reid's mindset. And none of us know what goes on behind closed doors. I think maybe they were stung by the whole TO thing. My problem here is OC is a very good WR but not at that super-elite level. Maybe 3 or 4 guys in the league are worth the gamble. We already had one of them. That leaves 2 or 3 and Fitz and Moss just signed contracts so who is left? Boldin? I'd take him in heartbeat. Will Reid make a move? We will see. Boldin seems to be a decent locker room presence. He seemed to have an issue with Haley in the NFCCG but Haley seems to breed that and accept it. A little creative tension is not necessarily a bad thing.
Quote from: stalker on February 02, 2009, 10:54:42 PM
Quote from: Magical_Retard on February 02, 2009, 10:48:42 PM
Quote from: stalker on February 02, 2009, 10:43:25 PM
Quote from: Magical_Retard on February 02, 2009, 10:12:45 PM
Quote from: shorebird on February 02, 2009, 09:59:48 PM
Quote from: Magical_Retard on February 02, 2009, 09:46:59 PM
He has nothing to lose and he might even just want to go play somewhere else.
With the crap he's had to throw too during his career, wouldn't you? I know I would.
I personally think everything is overblown and call it the blue ball syndrome. I doubt he hates the fan like some fans like to believe and I doubt they hate him like McNabb would like to believe. The same fans think he is too sensitive to criticism are the same fans who get their feelings hurt when they think McNabb does not like them back. Bunch of overgrown babies who have nothing better to do in their lives then to sit there and over analyze every word spoken to find some true meaning behind it like its the Da Vinci Code. Or wait try to decipher is McNabb is angry because he does a press conference from some new location rather than some Eagles approved designation.
If I was McNabb, with my own mindset of course, I would be thankful for the opportunity to be paid as much as I am, not care what the fans think of me when the chips are down, and YES demand more weapons cause I am getting older and the rest of the division is improved compared to say 5 seasons ago. I also demand, maybe on behalf of the RBs, to run the ball more.
But even the RBs we have are such followers that you know they would never ever question Reid or call him out on it. That is Reid's doing...the players he has. Its the main reason, besides money, that he will never acquire a big name talent like say Ocho Cinco cause you know he will not fall in line.
Retard, I am sure it will kill you to know that I agree with almost this whole post. The last paragraph is a little nuts though. Does Reid look for a certain personality in his players? Probably. Is that bad? No.
No what kills me is that I have to erase my native tongue so WHITEY can give me a fair chance but that is another topic.
Having guys who do not get in trouble with the law and are not locker room cancers is a great thing. But that is dividing these players into two extremes. Your either a quiet humble team guy or TO. I simply think they need more guys who when they see something odd speak up. Not to the media but maybe behind closed doors. Someone...anyone who gets thru to Reid.
Come on you really think it's racism? No way. It's just Reid's mindset. And none of us know what goes on behind closed doors. I think maybe they were stung by the whole TO thing. My problem here is OC is a very good WR but not at that super-elite level. Maybe 3 or 4 guys in the league are worth the gamble. We already had one of them. That leaves 2 or 3 and Fitz and Moss just signed contracts so who is left? Boldin? I'd take him in heartbeat. Will Reid make a move? We will see. Boldin seems to be a decent locker room presence. He seemed to have an issue with Haley in the NFCCG but Haley seems to breed that and accept it. A little creative tension is not necessarily a bad thing.
Either you're being incredibly sarcastic or you're incredibly ignorant.
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He has nothing to lose and he might even just want to go play somewhere else.
With the crap he's had to throw too during his career, wouldn't you? I know I would.
I personally think everything is overblown and call it the blue ball syndrome. I doubt he hates the fan like some fans like to believe and I doubt they hate him like McNabb would like to believe. The same fans think he is too sensitive to criticism are the same fans who get their feelings hurt when they think McNabb does not like them back. Bunch of overgrown babies who have nothing better to do in their lives then to sit there and over analyze every word spoken to find some true meaning behind it like its the Da Vinci Code. Or wait try to decipher is McNabb is angry because he does a press conference from some new location rather than some Eagles approved designation.
If I was McNabb, with my own mindset of course, I would be thankful for the opportunity to be paid as much as I am, not care what the fans think of me when the chips are down, and YES demand more weapons cause I am getting older and the rest of the division is improved compared to say 5 seasons ago. I also demand, maybe on behalf of the RBs, to run the ball more.
But even the RBs we have are such followers that you know they would never ever question Reid or call him out on it. That is Reid's doing...the players he has. Its the main reason, besides money, that he will never acquire a big name talent like say Ocho Cinco cause you know he will not fall in line.
Retard, I am sure it will kill you to know that I agree with almost this whole post. The last paragraph is a little nuts though. Does Reid look for a certain personality in his players? Probably. Is that bad? No.
No what kills me is that I have to erase my native tongue so WHITEY can give me a fair chance but that is another topic.
Having guys who do not get in trouble with the law and are not locker room cancers is a great thing. But that is dividing these players into two extremes. Your either a quiet humble team guy or TO. I simply think they need more guys who when they see something odd speak up. Not to the media but maybe behind closed doors. Someone...anyone who gets thru to Reid.
Come on you really think it's racism? No way. It's just Reid's mindset. And none of us know what goes on behind closed doors. I think maybe they were stung by the whole TO thing. My problem here is OC is a very good WR but not at that super-elite level. Maybe 3 or 4 guys in the league are worth the gamble. We already had one of them. That leaves 2 or 3 and Fitz and Moss just signed contracts so who is left? Boldin? I'd take him in heartbeat. Will Reid make a move? We will see. Boldin seems to be a decent locker room presence. He seemed to have an issue with Haley in the NFCCG but Haley seems to breed that and accept it. A little creative tension is not necessarily a bad thing.
Either you're being incredibly sarcastic or you're incredibly ignorant.
maybe I am being naive but sarcasm aside, do you really think it's racism? God I hope not. I reaaly doubt it.
uhhhhh... no, too use MR's own words, that is another topic."
MR, what is your "native tongue" anyway?
There is a difference between saying I'd take DeSean Jackson over Ward compared to saying I wouldn't take Ward at all. I'd take him on the Eagles, but to say right now you'd trade Jackson for Ward is ridiculous. He put up 60+ catches and 900+ yards as a rookie. You'd trade him for an aging possession WR?
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There is a difference between saying I'd take DeSean Jackson over Ward compared to saying I wouldn't take Ward at all. I'd take him on the Eagles, but to say right now you'd trade Jackson for Ward is ridiculous. He put up 60+ catches and 900+ yards as a rookie. You'd trade him for an aging possession WR?
The point is dingus that from 2001-2008, Hines Ward was a better WR then all but 1 guy (maybe) that McNabb has had to throw to. What Jackson will do in the future does not change the last 8 years. No, I wouldn't trade Jackson for Ward, because it wouldn't make a difference. What I would like is to have a player like Jackson AND Ward...you know, like Kurt Warner had Holt and Bruce, like Big Ben has had Burress/Ward/Holmes his entire career.
Stop comparing McNabb to guys that have had all pro WR's to throw to. Yes, Jackson was good, and he looks like he could be a star...but he's only been here one year.
ummm the steelers won the superbowl in 2009... without any great wr's...what they did have was a clutch ass future hall of fame quarterback...who the hell cares what hines ward did in 2003
so i will ask the question again and this time slower....who are the great wr's on the steelers?
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ummm the steelers won the superbowl in 2009... without any great wr's...what they did have was a clutch ass future hall of fame quarterback...who the hell cares what hines ward did in 2003
so i will ask the question again and this time slower....who are the great wr's on the steelers?
You're absolutely correct, the Eagles hold the Cards to 23 points and they're in the SB
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ummm the steelers won the superbowl in 2009... without any great wr's...what they did have was a clutch ass future hall of fame quarterback...who the hell cares what hines ward did in 2003
so i will ask the question again and this time slower....who are the great wr's on the steelers?
You're absolutely correct, the Eagles hold the Cards to 23 points and they're in the SB
Uh oh, SD... you're taking focus away from McNabb "choking" in that game. They tend to frown on that round these parts.
dont really have to take away focus
1-5 in championship games speaks for itself
and it becamse crystal clear when on sunday(http://www.philaflava.com/forum/images/smiles/icon_twrex_ROFLburger.gif) was in the identical spot mcnabb was against the identical defense and scored to win
and for the record i dont know that mcnabb choked...he didnt throw a pick puke or do anything horribly stupid against the cards...he just came up incredibly short in a career defining spot
Career defining? Ha! His career, personality and even his psyche has been defined here for years. The Cards game would've changed little to nothing. People still would've said, "Do it in the Super Bowl."
Still love the Roethlisberger smilie, tho...
Just get McNabb a receiver. Conversation over.
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 03, 2009, 06:10:41 AM
ummm the steelers won the superbowl in 2009... without any great wr's...what they did have was a clutch ass future hall of fame quarterback...who the hell cares what hines ward did in 2003
so i will ask the question again and this time slower....who are the great wr's on the steelers?
I do not think anyone claimed Ben is only clutch in the 2 min because of some great WRs. That would be Warner.
Ben is clutch with ok WRs and a pretty bad offensive line. Most of the time he was running for his life trying to find the open guy. It helped though that Holmes turned one of those throws into a 40 yard gain when one defender tripped. I think Ben in the 2 min drill with the game on the line is the best QB in the game right now. I would take him in that situation over Brady and definetely over P. Manning.
Ben somehow turns on a switch in those moments no matter how bad he has played or how bad the offense has been up to that point. I think the offense scored 13 pts total up to that point. The other TD was the incredible Harrison pick 6. 13 pts against a pretty average Cardinals defense, yet when it mattered most he engineered a great drive.
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ummm the steelers won the superbowl in 2009... without any great wr's...what they did have was a clutch ass future hall of fame quarterback...who the hell cares what hines ward did in 2003
so i will ask the question again and this time slower....who are the great wr's on the steelers?
Again, shut the farg up.
Hines Ward and Santonio Holmes (edit: and Plaxico Burress)are better than every guy minus 1 that McNabb has ever had to throw to. DeSean Jackson may be better then both in a few years...he wasn't this year.
DeSean Jackson was lucky to have even made it through the entire season without injury. They guy is so small, he's just a step away from injury. I cringe every time I see him get hit. Now that being said I was very surprised at the toughness he showed and has very special abilities. To rely on this guy as our future number one though doesn't sit in my stomach well. The kid had a hell of a rookie year, I love him, but as a number 1, no. I want a proven vet.
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ummm the steelers won the superbowl in 2009... without any great wr's...what they did have was a clutch ass future hall of fame quarterback...who the hell cares what hines ward did in 2003
so i will ask the question again and this time slower....who are the great wr's on the steelers?
Again, shut the farg up.
Hines Ward and Santonio Holmes (edit: and Plaxico Burress)are better than every guy minus 1 that McNabb has ever had to throw to. DeSean Jackson may be better then both in a few years...he wasn't this year.
you never even heard of santonio holmes before sunday....and with ward at least youve heard the same but as king cole pointed youre living in the past...im pretty sure youve never seen him play...but all of a sudden now in 2009 they are the best wr's ever...the difference is they have two time superbowl winner throwing to them...when the king cole is schooling you its time to stop talking sports please
eagles have more talent on offense than the steelers and a far superior offensive line...steelers offensive line was atrocious this year...the difference is at qb...mcnabb could only dream of leading a drive and making a pass like (http://www.philaflava.com/forum/images/smiles/icon_twrex_ROFLburger.gif) sunday
period
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ummm the steelers won the superbowl in 2009... without any great wr's...what they did have was a clutch ass future hall of fame quarterback...who the hell cares what hines ward did in 2003
so i will ask the question again and this time slower....who are the great wr's on the steelers?
Again, shut the farg up.
Hines Ward and Santonio Holmes (edit: and Plaxico Burress)are better than every guy minus 1 that McNabb has ever had to throw to. DeSean Jackson may be better then both in a few years...he wasn't this year.
2008 - Santonio Holmes: 55 catches 821 yards
2008 - DeSean Jackson: 62 catches 912 yards
One is a rookie, one is a 3rd year player. One has had the best rookie WR year in Eagles history and one of them has been widely viewed as a disappointment up until this season's playoffs.
Please, with the Jackson isn't on Holmes' level yet. He's every bit as good as Holmes if not better. Holmes had a great game on a big stage, but Jackson hasn't had a chance to play on that stage yet.
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ummm the steelers won the superbowl in 2009... without any great wr's...what they did have was a clutch ass future hall of fame quarterback...who the hell cares what hines ward did in 2003
so i will ask the question again and this time slower....who are the great wr's on the steelers?
Again, shut the farg up.
Hines Ward and Santonio Holmes (edit: and Plaxico Burress)are better than every guy minus 1 that McNabb has ever had to throw to. DeSean Jackson may be better then both in a few years...he wasn't this year.
you never even heard of santonio holmes before sunday....and with ward at least youve heard the same but as king cole pointed youre living in the past...im pretty sure youve never seen him play...but all of a sudden now in 2009 they are the best wr's ever...the difference is they have two time superbowl winner throwing to them...when the king cole is schooling you its time to stop talking sports please
Never heard of Holmes? He is no Moss but he is well known. And Ward leads off every Steelers story on every pre game show because of how tough he is or whatever team has a bounty on him. Also Ben sucked terribly in that first Superbowl (his QB rating was 22 point something) and that was more Bettis and the Defense.
But yeah the Eagles have a better offense except for when it counts in the fourth qrt. Still a combo of Ward, Holmes, and Washington might be better than Curtis, Jackson, and Avant if only because Ward and Holmes is a better combo than Curtis and Jackson. Regardless their O LINE sucks and they never got the running game at all this season. This season especially its been all Ben pulling something out at the end.
Steelers do have a better defense all throughout and really they never seem to forget how to tackle or play in the big moments. Holding the Cards to 7 well into the fourth quarter was quite a accomplishment till they decided to back off and play soft.
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Never heard of Holmes? He is no Moss but he is well known.
Still a combo of Ward, Holmes, and Washington might be better than Curtis, Jackson, and Avant if only because Ward and Holmes is a better combo than Curtis and Jackson. Regardless their O LINE sucks and they never got the running game at all this season. This season especially its been all Ben pulling something out at the end.
i was talking about munson not hearing of him
and when comparing the offenses youre leaving out westbrook...if you want to say the steelers skill positions are better then fine but its at best neglible and i can make an equally strong argument for the eagles offense being better...especially when you throw in the offensive line...which leads to my ultimate point to that moron munson that the difference is at qb...i mean if youre gonna make excuses for mcnabb at least compare the eagles to the cardinals who have fitz and boldin thats legit...that dope is trying to say ben is better than mcnabb because of the steeler wr's which is simply retarded
agreed.
ben is not better than mcnabb in the first place.
rings
ben - 2
mcnabb - 0
how many bowls do the birds have with ben...three?
and can you imagine donovan having to go thru the ravens to get to the superbowl instead of the cardinals...wow that game would have been super ugly
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rings
ben - 2
mcnabb - 0
Dilfer - 1
Marino - 0
Ben was terrible in the last superbowl, he was decent in this one. But lets just ignore the fact that he had the best D in the league.
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ummm the steelers won the superbowl in 2009... without any great wr's...what they did have was a clutch ass future hall of fame quarterback...who the hell cares what hines ward did in 2003
so i will ask the question again and this time slower....who are the great wr's on the steelers?
Again, shut the farg up.
Hines Ward and Santonio Holmes (edit: and Plaxico Burress)are better than every guy minus 1 that McNabb has ever had to throw to. DeSean Jackson may be better then both in a few years...he wasn't this year.
2008 - Santonio Holmes: 55 catches 821 yards
2008 - DeSean Jackson: 62 catches 912 yards
One is a rookie, one is a 3rd year player. One has had the best rookie WR year in Eagles history and one of them has been widely viewed as a disappointment up until this season's playoffs.
Please, with the Jackson isn't on Holmes' level yet. He's every bit as good as Holmes if not better. Holmes had a great game on a big stage, but Jackson hasn't had a chance to play on that stage yet.
One is the #2 option in a run first offense, one is the best option in an offense that passes 60% of the time.
Shut up.
IGY, stop being retarded. No one ever said they were the best WR's ever...this whole thing started because idiots like you are comparing McNabb to QB's that have had much better WR's to throw to. And yes, Hines Ward and Santonio Holmes are better than everyone McNabb has had to throw to, besides TO.
Ben Roethlisburger doesn't even make the playoffs in half the years this team has done it with McNabb, let alone win a Super Bowl.
Say whatever you want about McNabb, he still had the Eagles in the lead in the 4th quarter....the defense just had to go out there and make a couple stops. They didn't.
of all the teams in the world you wanna make an example of by saying their offfense has more weapons than the eagles youre gonna pick pittsbuirgh???...are you for real?...and you wonder why people take you as a joke
mcnabb had the lead in the 4th quarter except when the game was actually over....yay...big ben had the lead at the end of the superbowl
as sd pointed out trent dilfer has more rings than donovan...even tho donovan has been in five times as many conf championships...money friggin quarterback i say
SD was pointing out Trent Dilfer has more rings than Dan Marino, proving that Super Bowl rings aren't the measure of a QB.
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SD was pointing out Trent Dilfer has more rings than Dan Marino, proving that Super Bowl rings aren't the measure of a QB.
you mean a superbowl ring doesnt make trent dilfer as good as dan marino...how did you ever come up with that?
a ring doesnt make an average qb great but its what seperates good qb's from the all timers...anyone that thinks donovan is a better qb than big ben especially after watching the last two weeks is so far in the bag for donovan its not even funny
I have all-time smarts. That's how I came up with that.
I'm not saying McNabb is better than (http://www.philaflava.com/forum/images/smiles/icon_twrex_ROFLburger.gif). All I'm saying is McNabb has been one of the five best QBs since he became a full time starter
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I have all-time smarts. That's how I came up with that.
I'm not saying McNabb is better than (http://www.philaflava.com/forum/images/smiles/icon_twrex_ROFLburger.gif). All I'm saying is McNabb has been one of the five best QBs since he became a full time starter
HEAR HEAR!
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Posted by Aaron Wilson on February 4, 2009, 10:22 a.m.
Philadelphia Eagles quarterback Donovan McNabb took a not so thinly-veiled shot at his defensive teammates, pinning blame on them for the NFC title game loss to the Arizona Cardinals, according to the Philadelphia Inquirer.
During a 610 WIP-AM interview, McNabb's response to a question about why the Eagles couldn't respond offensively after the Cardinals' touchdown in the final minutes suggested that the defense was at fault for squandering a slight lead.
"We were up, 25-24," McNabb said, per the Inquirer. "We were up, 25-24. [The Cardinals] drove down 72 yards by running the ball - probably, what, eight times? And it reminded me so much of [the NFC championship game in] St. Louis where, coming back in that second half, they ran the ball nine times with Marshall Faulk to keep our offense off the field. Because they were terrified of us going back out and scoring more points."
McNabb, whose leadership has been questioned over the years, will have some fences to mend after this one, in the opinion of former Eagles defensive end Hugh Douglas.
"Some people will say it's not a big deal, but it is," Douglas said. "When you break that team code, it hits home. When you call someone your teammate, you're calling them your brother. Be loyal to your teammates. It's easy to point fingers. Brian Dawkins is a team player. He would never do that.
"I know Donovan. I respect Donovan. In his mind, he didn't say anything wrong. But a leader thinks before he speaks. That would never come out of a leader's mouth. Every year, Donovan says something that's inflammatory, then he doesn't explain himself. Explain yourself. When you alienate people who have your back, I need to understand why. I need to understand how he thinks. Right now, I don't."
Bottom line: McNabb could have handled the question a lot better. Time will tell whether this one has the legs to become a full-blown Philadelphia controversy, but my hunch is this will blow over without causing a major disruption in the locker room.
Oh boy...another thing to ignite the everlasting anti-McNabb crowd.
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Never heard of Holmes? He is no Moss but he is well known.
Still a combo of Ward, Holmes, and Washington might be better than Curtis, Jackson, and Avant if only because Ward and Holmes is a better combo than Curtis and Jackson. Regardless their O LINE sucks and they never got the running game at all this season. This season especially its been all Ben pulling something out at the end.
i was talking about munson not hearing of him
and when comparing the offenses youre leaving out westbrook...if you want to say the steelers skill positions are better then fine but its at best neglible and i can make an equally strong argument for the eagles offense being better...especially when you throw in the offensive line...which leads to my ultimate point to that moron munson that the difference is at qb...i mean if youre gonna make excuses for mcnabb at least compare the eagles to the cardinals who have fitz and boldin thats legit...that dope is trying to say ben is better than mcnabb because of the steeler wr's which is simply retarded
Eagles offense is better. Its inconsistent but it is better. But thats not because they have a better set of WRs, its because the Eagles Oline actually was pretty darn good this past season against the pass rush and allowed very few sacks. The Steelers OLINE was so bad they could not even resort to their bread and butter which is the running game and on top of that Ben was getting sacked and hit pretty hard all season.
I left out Westbrook because for the majority of the season he was honestly a non factor. He was either hurt while playing, missing games, or Reid took him out of the gameplan by abandoning the run completely.
Ben is much more clutch than McNabb and he proved it again in the Superbowl, but they also won because he had the superior defense. Eagles D gives up 24 pts in the first half. Steelers D gave up 7 going into the 4rth. The wins over the Vikes and Giants were all on McNabb and the Defense. Maybe if only one failed in the first half against the Cards they could have still won but both failing, recovering for that stretch in the 3rd and 4rth qrts, to both ultimately failing again led to the loss. It does not help that Westbrook was a non factor all throughout this.
He's right, they had that 4th down play on Hightower, and didnt stop him.
McNabb is a bitch. And he's right. The defense gave the game away and put him in a position to do what he does best. Choke on giant cocks.
Douglas has become a media stooge. He's not a player anymore.
Never - he's the teams Badassador
ummm that mcnabb interview is from last friday...mcnabb is a POS and needs to get the farg out...i used to give him the benefit of the doubt and beleive they should keep himuntil they get a suitbale replacement but its so obvious how bad he wants out now that he is literally becoming TO before our eyes...trotter was on the radio this morning saying how the locker room has lost totasl respect for him
my favorite part..
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"We were up, 25-24," McNabb said, per the Inquirer. "We were up, 25-24. [The Cardinals] drove down 72 yards by running the ball - probably, what, eight times? And it reminded me so much of [the NFC championship game in] St. Louis where, coming back in that second half, they ran the ball nine times with Marshall Faulk to keep our offense off the field. Because they were terrified of us going back out and scoring more points."
hey douchebag....YOU DID GET THE BALL BACK AND SCORED ZERO POINTS
the guy has completely lost it...and even if you believe what hes saying and the defense lost the game the fact is you dont throw your trammates under the bus...dawkins sheldon et al...the true leaders of this team would never do that
I still don't understand why the defense isn't being held equally accountable for making absolutely zero big plays in that game.
Because people prefer to blast McNabb...duh!
Yeah, he needs to "get the farg out". Please.
And stop with the true leader junk. THe guy can never win. When TO was spouting off he was ripped for not being vocal, not saying anything. Now he speaks his mind and he is ripped again.
Equal fault lies between McNabb/offense and the defense.
Quote from: FastFreddie on February 04, 2009, 11:19:53 AM
I still don't understand why the defense isn't being held equally accountable for making absolutely zero big plays in that game.
because you expect the cardinals to score on you...warner fitz boldin are gonna put up lots of pts...and even after all that the offense had the ball to win it and didnt...whats so hard to understand...it couldnt be any clearer
i guess the way you can blame the d is to say it shouldnt have ended up in mcnabbs hands because we know hes gonna shtein the bed...and i cant really argue that...
but if all the mcnabb apolgists and mcnabb himself (his biggest fan and said the cards were scared to death of him scoring more) are all gonna go on about how great donovan is and how hes a top 5 qb and a hall of famer then shoudknt it be expected that hes gonna win that game at the end and when he doesnt put the majority of the blame on him?
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on February 04, 2009, 11:22:52 AM
Because people prefer to blast McNabb...duh!
Yeah, he needs to "get the farg out". Please.
And stop with the true leader junk. THe guy can never win. When TO was spouting off he was ripped for not being vocal, not saying anything. Now he speaks his mind and he is ripped again.
Equal fault lies between McNabb/offense and the defense.
Quote from: stalker on February 02, 2009, 01:15:35 PM
Can't you guys figure this out? It's a team farging sport! McNabb no more loses a game than Sav Rocca. They win as a team or lose as a team. Football is probably the ultimate team game. To heap this all on McNabb is a travesty. You idiots are the same ones complaining about how the WR's suck. You think that has no bearing on his success? You are all a bunch of whiny bitches. Sure, I would love for the Eagles to win a Super Bowl, but I have endured some excruciatingly bad seasons in the past and would much rather have McNabb and Reid than any other QB/Coach combination the Eagles have had since I have been a fan (1970 or so).
So why do people say I'm an idiot?
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Quote from: FastFreddie on February 04, 2009, 11:19:53 AM
I still don't understand why the defense isn't being held equally accountable for making absolutely zero big plays in that game.
because you expect the cardinals to score on you...warner fitz boldin are gonna put up lots of pts...and even after all that the offense had the ball to win it and didnt...whats so hard to understand...it couldnt be any clearer
i guess the way you can blame the d is to say it shouldnt have ended up in mcnabbs hands because we know hes gonna shtein the bed...and i cant really argue that...
but if all the mcnabb apolgists and mcnabb himself (his biggest fan and said the cards were scared to death of him scoring more) are all gonna go on about how great donovan is and how hes a top 5 qb and a hall of famer then shoudknt it be expected that hes gonna win that game at the end and when he doesnt put the majority of the blame on him?
No - I blame the entire team and coaching staff. And you
You're all ridiculous, but I was talking to IGY, who has a raging boner he wants to stuff in McNabb's ear.
(edited for clarification)
you really think its ridiculous to expect a potential hall of fame qb to lead a game winning two minute drive
wow
I think it's ridiculous to try to simplify the game to the level where you're only/mostly blaming Donovan McNabb.
And I never said Donovan should be in the HoF.
its also incredible how people use a microscope to look for a lito complaint so they can say how much of an ass he is but mcnabb throws his entire defense under the bus then reverses it back over them and all anyone says is well hes right
Quote from: FastFreddie on February 04, 2009, 11:33:03 AM
And I never said Donovan should be in the HoF.
well if you dont think hes good enough to lead a drive like that then i can understand blaming the d...because the d would then have to make sure the team is in a comfortable lead at the end of every game and they didnt do that
Listen, I said when the the game was over that Donovan should not be blamed entirely here,and the D really shtein the bed but it definitely rolls both ways here..more so to McNabb because of his position
but nothing irks me more than when that farghead has the audacity to think its ok to almost win every year and not put some blame on himself
I dont care how much you are criticized in the media and with fans year after year..if you want to be a true leader on and off the field shoulder the god-damn load, dont point fingers and tell everyone what YOURE gonna do differently to take the team to the next level...than maybe this media affair will be over and you will get the respect you deserve...or just win a friggin SB
christ at this point just win a nfc championship and ill take my chances in the superbowl...he has major problems even getting to a superbowl
Had he played better in this or any of the NFCCG losses, I could understand calling people out. To do it after we find out the defensive coordinator is waiting to die, well that's just a mistake. I can understand wanting to put on the big boy pants and tell people they're doing things wrong, but do it to your offensive players first. And do it privately, then have an anonymous source tell us about it.
The way this came out, it looks like he's stirring the pot. Which is fine for him, since he wants a new deal or out of town. He's played the good soldier long enough for this organization that we can safely assume the reason a new deal isn't done yet is because the Eagles aren't as interested as they say they are.
What I find more troubling is there isn't anyone on defense that would have stepped up and said something like this.
mcnabb is trying to force a trade. i expect it to only get worse as the offseason goes on.
I hope you all die a painful death
Could you be more specific?
defense was lights out for the better part of two months to get the team even in the playoffs...i think they have a right to expect their qb to win a game for them in that spot and not come out and blame each other
still cant over the mcnabb quote that the cards were scared to death for him to get back on the field except he did get back on the field and didnt complete a single pass
Quote from: hunt on February 04, 2009, 12:11:01 PM
mcnabb is trying to force a trade. i expect it to only get worse as the offseason goes on.
totally agree...hes ironically turning into the person he hates most in the world (besides eagle fans)
black on black crime
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 04, 2009, 12:18:52 PM
defense was lights out for the better part of two months to get the team even in the playoffs.
Still doesn't change the fact that they rolled over when the game was put on their shoulders.
no doubt....it was a disgraceful stand at a most important time
Quote from: General_Failure on February 04, 2009, 12:23:26 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 04, 2009, 12:18:52 PM
defense was lights out for the better part of two months to get the team even in the playoffs.
Still doesn't change the fact that they rolled over when the game was put on their shoulders.
Also, McNabb was lights "on" for the 3rd quarter to get the team even in the lead.
So we're all gonna get matching Kolb jerseys, yes?
It depends if they're selling them in pink.
I was hoping we'd all go with the alternate Yellowjackets jerseys.
Build the D, get a competent game-manager QB to compete with Kolb in TC, and for chrissakes get something for McNabb while they still can.
Quote from: JackStraw on February 04, 2009, 12:45:06 PM
Build the D, get a competent game-manager QB to compete with Kolb in TC, and for chrissakes get something for McNabb while they still can.
and focus more on the running game...although i'm not sure reid is capable of doing that at this point.
Quote from: JackStraw on February 04, 2009, 12:45:06 PM
competent game-manager QB to compete with Kolb
LOL - That sounds like a really good player.
whichever the qb they decide to get should already be ahead of Kolb on the depth chart
I know that sounds a bit absurd given Kolb's performance to date, But if someone is brought in and named starter, then it acknowledges Kolb - a high draft pick, sucks balls and then that problem needs to be managed - and the team will then need to decide who sucks balls worse Kolb or AJ....
Unless it is a high-profile QB, then they should have no problem with a little "show" competition during TC. Alternately, maybe Kolb can be persuaded that another year carrying the clipboard will be good for him. Methinks he will be cranky at a defacto decision like that, though.
But seriously, if your solution to replace McNabb is some combination of Kolb/Feeley/"game manager," you're an idiot.
ill say this for cobb...at least he wont need four years to "fully" learn andys offense like any outsider they would bring in
youre right..hell need 7 and by then he still wont get it and he will still throw like a Jerrys kid
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 04, 2009, 01:32:25 PM
ill say this for cobb...at least he wont need four years to "fully" learn andys offense like any outsider they would bring in
Are you assuming he's smart because he's white?
bring back garcia!
Quote from: FastFreddie on February 04, 2009, 01:38:30 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 04, 2009, 01:32:25 PM
ill say this for cobb...at least he wont need four years to "fully" learn andys offense like any outsider they would bring in
Are you assuming he's smart because he's white?
team has gone with a smart negro for a while now...im ready for dumb honkey and that redneck cobb fits the bill perfectly...cobb era starts TODAY!
Who's this Cobb character? Is he any better than Kolb?
Donovan is a lot of things, but smart isn't one of them.
Quote from: FastFreddie on February 04, 2009, 01:49:18 PM
Donovan is a lot of things, but accurate and clutch isn't one of them.
Hopefully we can get Gruden so he'll bring in Hoying to mentor Kolb.
this thread just keeps getting more and more worthless
Quote from: mussa on February 04, 2009, 02:42:34 PM
this thread just keeps getting more and more worthless
self-fulfilling prophecy? irony?
keep it going
Quote from: JackStraw on February 04, 2009, 12:45:06 PM
Build the D, get a competent game-manager QB to compete with Kolb in TC, and for chrissakes get something for McNabb while they still can.
We lived through that with Rhodes/Peete. No thanks. I never want to live through another 3-13. I'll take consistently having a shot at the SB. You only have a shot if you make the playoffs.
id take four straight 3-13's if mcnabb had won a superbowl this year
and you can only win the superbowl if you make the superbowl
Maybe, I'd like to find out if that is acceptable. I, however, am not ready to become the Cardinals. Or worse yet, the Lions.
Why is there this hand-wringing that life after McNabb is going to be the apocalypse? Sheese, like he is some second coming. This team has been basically a .500 team since the mutherfarging SB anyway. Yes, he had a good run (when he ran), yes great stats and wins, but no postseason success to speak of. Tell me, does anyone look back on the Bills with fond memories of a great team? No- it's always "wide right" Well with McNabb it will always be regurgitation. After all these years you think past performance is no indicator of future results? Fans need to stop living in 2002.
If they deal McNabb, they will shore-up the team in other regards - there will be no return of Rhodes/Peete. I don't see Reid/Lurie letting that happen. Barring the late-season chimera that was the playoff run, this team would have been on it's ass since mid-December and there would be a hell of a lot more people on the deal-him-now bandwagon.
I think dealing him opens up the door to filling what I consider to be more important positions than QB on this team right about now. Ironically, I also think an impact WR arrives only after he leaves.
Besides, 5 will get you 10 (ha) that if he gets a big, fat contract he doesn't play 16.
How does dealing him open the door to fill more important positions? By dealing him do you not create a hole for the biggest position on the team?
And if they do deal him it better be because of his lack of 2 min awareness and clutch ability, not because of this comment. It better be because Kolb is ready or that they have another QB in mind who can step right in....not because of this comment. Or because they are getting a lot of picks in return.
I think that in Reid's pea brain the rationalization is that the system and McNabb overcome/elevate journeymen at other positions. With his safety blanket gone, maybe Reid (& Lurie) decide a TEAM of skilled players is the only option - not just 5 and a rickety 1/2 back.
A significant hole, yes, but Warner proved anybody can get there, right?
Quote from: JackStraw on February 04, 2009, 06:05:38 PM
Why is there this hand-wringing that life after McNabb is going to be the apocalypse? Sheese, like he is some second coming. This team has been basically a .500 team since the mutherfarging SB anyway. Yes, he had a good run (when he ran), yes great stats and wins, but no postseason success to speak of. Tell me, does anyone look back on the Bills with fond memories of a great team? No- it's always "wide right" Well with McNabb it will always be regurgitation. After all these years you think past performance is no indicator of future results? Fans need to stop living in 2002.
i really could care less if mcnabb died in an auto accident tonight and i wholeheartedly agree with everything you say above but at the same time i need more of a security blanket than kevin cobb...and imo if they deal mcnabb reid is going right to cobb and will ram him down our throats no matter how bad he is for as long as he possibly can get away with it just to prove he was a good pick...at this point tho i dont even care anymore...btwn AGAIN not stepping up in the cardinal game and his behavoir since i just want mcnabb outta here by squeezing as many draft picks as you can get out of some team
edit: i also think its a slap in the face of the bills when anyone mentions them with the eagles...and for some reason it always happens even tho there really is no comparison
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 04, 2009, 03:13:40 PM
id take four straight 3-13's if mcnabb had won a superbowl this year
and you can only win the superbowl if you make the superbowl
Post of the something or other.
QuoteA significant hole, yes, but Warner proved anybody can get there, right?
no, not any qb in the league is Kurt Warner, can break down the steelers or ravens defense and can get to or win the SB if thats what youre asking
Quote from: reese125 on February 04, 2009, 07:52:29 PM
QuoteA significant hole, yes, but Warner proved anybody can get there, right?
no, not any qb in the league is Kurt Warner, can break down the steelers or ravens defense and can get to or win the SB if thats what youre asking
That wasn't the view of him when he was tossed on the ash heap after that stellar run with the Ginas few years back. (And after fumbling SIX times in one game against them a season earlier)
So now he's back and his wife has gotten hot...Go figure.
Are you guys still talking about this?
Talking about what?
Good.
Quote from: JackStraw on February 04, 2009, 08:04:05 PM
Quote from: reese125 on February 04, 2009, 07:52:29 PM
QuoteA significant hole, yes, but Warner proved anybody can get there, right?
no, not any qb in the league is Kurt Warner, can break down the steelers or ravens defense and can get to or win the SB if thats what youre asking
That wasn't the view of him when he was tossed on the ash heap after that stellar run with the Ginas few years back. (And after fumbling SIX times in one game against them a season earlier)
So now he's back and his wife has gotten hot...Go figure.
Your a smart dude and all but WTF are you talking about his wife being hot? Seriously man...
Anyway Warner on this team quite possibly performs as well as the Warner on the Giants. Which might be just enough if the defense stays the same or gets better and they run the ball some. Warner has been always the same player. Great quick release, accurate passing, but he also needs great skill players around him. That is not even a diss but actually just the facts for most QBs in this league. Its not like he forgot how to play with the Giants. They did not have the same weapons the Rams and Cardinals had/have.
You could be onto something about Reid possibly upgrading the skill positions if McNabb is gone...he did run the ball more with Garcia but then when he inserted Kolb into the game against the Ravens they continued to pass away.
And I am pretty confident that this coach/FO would love nothing else but to prove how smart they are. So even if Kolb looks like dog turd in camp/preseason they will force him to start simply because he CAN NOT be that bad if they picked him. They did this with Gocong and Hunt. Those are recent examples. They always do this. Which would not be terrible if only they switched from pass first to run first. Unfortunately one of the justifications of drafting Kolb was that he threw a ton in college so he fit this offense well.
you guys keep bringing up the fact that Warner needs so many weapons around him to be good, but keep in mind that the offensive line for New York sucked in 04 and he never had time to release..the guy was friggin sacked 40 times in 10 games..and I highly doubt it was because nobody was open
when Warner has time he is one of the most efficient qbs in the league..this year he was only sacked 26 times
It a combination of thins, as always. The Giants line sucked but if they had better WRs maybe he could do what he does sometimes with Fitz and toss it up. Does he make the Arizona line look better by getting rid of the ball so fast? Or having his WRs beat coverage and get open right away? Goes hand in hand. The Giants did not have a great O line or great weapons. Well actually they had Tiki and were always more of a running team.
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if warner had wr's running all over the field wide open like mcnabb did in the first half of the arizona game i guarantee he wouldnt have scored just 6 pts
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 06, 2009, 08:11:11 AM
if warner had wr's running all over the field wide open like mcnabb did in the first half of the arizona game i guarantee he wouldnt have scored just 6 pts
That's actually a valid point.
Will wonders never cease vigy.
csn has an interview up online of mcnabb courtside at nova/cuse
god is he a douche
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/columnists/20090208_Bob_Ford__Eagles_must_get_their_QB_help.html
exactly
they need a running game so they can sustain drives and won't have to constantly rely on an inaccurate qb to singlehandedly carry the offense. a ball control, running offense also helps the D by keeping them off the field longer.
the current offense lacks consistency because they rely too much on the big play...they have too many 3 & outs and that puts the defense in a bad position. let mcnabb elway himself to a championship. that's the only way it's going to happen.
this place is groundhog day all over again
the same arguments round and round, year after year
I cannot wait for Reid and McNabb to be gone so that we have something new to talk about
reid and mcnabb are not going anywhere. the offense will stay pass happy. our only hope is a legit WR. thread over
Quote from: mussa on February 08, 2009, 10:14:19 AM
reid and mcnabb are not going anywhere. the offense will stay pass happy. our only hope is a legit WR. thread over
I know this. I'm tired of it. I want it all to end so we can stop saying the same shtein back and forth to each other.
QuoteI don't know if the Eagles would have ultimately won the Arizona game, but I know that Larry Fitzgerald or Anquan Boldin would have caught the fourth-down pass that Kevin Curtis did not. They probably wouldn't have fallen from incidental contact, either.
:yay
Quote from: EagleFeva on February 08, 2009, 11:01:03 AM
QuoteI don't know if the Eagles would have ultimately won the Arizona game, but I know that Larry Fitzgerald or Anquan Boldin would have caught the fourth-down pass that Kevin Curtis did not. They probably wouldn't have fallen from incidental contact, either.
:yay
That part made me want to cry in my breakfast.
That would be tears of frustration, btw.
would they have caught the crossing routes that were 3 feet behind them too?
Quote from: mussa on February 08, 2009, 10:14:19 AM
reid and mcnabb are not going anywhere. the offense will stay pass happy. our only hope is a legit WR. thread over
and then our qb will puke in the super bowl again.
how about we get a qb who isnt a bitch?
I'd prefer Ty Detmer, Rodney Peete and Bobby Hoying again.
Well, we're close to seeing Hoying again; Kevin Kolb.
thats not the point
the point is mcnabb is a resentful baby. he cries any time there is criticism. he still hates the fans for booing him and draft day. he cant let it go like burrell did. he has the bottled up animosity towards anyone and everyone who have ever "wronged" him, and that includes fans, coaches and teammates.
yes talent wise he is the best qb in eagles history and one of the 5 or 10 best in the nfl. but there is a reason his squad is 1-4 in nfccg's and 0-1 in the bowl. same reason marino never won one. some guys just dont have it.
People worry too much about this whole resentment thing. It makes me laugh when people worry about that shtein. Its not always going to be sunshine, especially in Philadelphia. For city who prides itself on a tough minded attitude, people sure do scream pretty loud when barbs are thrown back their way.
aint like that
we dont play. he does. hes got the wrong mentality. hes got the i just threw a bomb to pimp jackson and he got lucky now we have the lead i did my part mentality. so when the defense comes back give up 7 and mcnabb needs his own 7 to send it into ot, youre talking about something he doesnt think he should have to do.
that aint a qb who is gonna win you an titles.
Let's argue some more about how McNabb's a fag or a mama's boy.
That never gets old.
Quote from: SunMo on February 08, 2009, 11:40:27 AM
would they have caught the crossing routes that were 3 feet behind them too?
lol
the excuses for mcnabb are hilarious...hes awesome enough to get to conference championships and the team only makes it that far because of him...but the reason they dont ever make superbowls is everyones fault BUT him
if you need someone the equivalent to larry fitzgerald (the best wr in the entire farging league) to make your qb good then perhaps its time to get a better qb
Stop it.
McNabb has farging Kevin Curtis and Reggie Brown to throw to. In what universe are either of those two remotely close to Fitzgerald or Boldin in terms of ability?
If Reid wasn't such a stubborn fat farg he would have addressed the WR position after he got rid of Owens but he didn't. DePimp is a good start but there isn't another receiver on the team who would be a starter in the NFL on a good team. Not one.
This year in the playoffs the team did get as far as it did, offensively speaking, because of McNabb. This year more than any other recent years they had no running game and no contribution from Westbrook overall. I think everyone can agree Westbrook is the best offensive player they have.
He had been perfect, QB rating wise, in the fourth qrt. Besides McNabb there was no offense in the playoffs.
Defense carried the team overall though. Offense was inconsistent and the defense was rock solid for the last 2 + months.
In IGY's mind the team gets this far in spite of McNabb and then loses because of him. Truth is somewhere in the middle. He is good enough to get to a point but he is not good enough to overcome a defense failing and being involved in a shoot out with his inaccuracy and skill players vs someone like Warner and his skill players.
what team cant use better wr's...if the eagles hadnt made the playoffs in the least ten years or were flaming out in the wild card round because of a lack of wr's then i could see hollering about them...but they consistently make the conf title game...do you honestly believe all of a sudden at that point the reason they dont win is wide receivers...over this time period plenty of teams have won without great wr's
im not even saying that they couldnt have had better wr's over the years because obviously they could...im just done with the wr's is why they dont win the sb bandwagon...at the very least you have to admit that the more people cry for wr's the more people are saying the qb isnt good enough
what I don't get is this; McNabb shows these periods of god-awful inaccuracy and other periods of tremendous play. When you average it out, he is way, way above average at playing the position. I can get my head around whether it is worse to complete 65% playing streaky like that or 60% and be very, very consistent. I do know the streakiness makes it much more exciting to be a fan.
people/other teams fans keep throwing thew fact out there that "you guys are spoiled and dont know what you have...you'll regret it when hes gone...I wish we had a McNabb...Philly fans are ridiculous for complaining..etc..etc..."
Those are the people have never took first place in anything in their life because the last time I looked consistently taking third or second place sucks. When those fans get to that point, then they'll know why the harsh complaints and then they can lick my nuts
lol @ 65%...mcnabb has never been at 65%...i mean hes not even at 60% for his career much less 65
make it stop, make it stop!
Sorry Jig you are right. For the sake of the argument the ACTUAL numbers are not really important. Let's make it 60% and streaky or 55% and consistent. Which would be better?
a superbowl win
I think it's three parts, 1 part McNabb, 1 part Reid, and 1 part Heckert.
McNabb can't throw slants effectively. When he does, they're very successful, when they're not...worm burners, too high, etc. 5 can throw the long ball and vertical routes with great accuracy (imo). Reid (may?) know this, so his play calling is call 1 slant a game and the rest are vertical bomb-routes with the intermediate routes being hooks. Makes sense why slants work and we hardly even see them, why Reid calls long bomb routes and intermediate come back routes and when Reid does call the true WCO w/ someone that can effectively time and time again throw slants (AJ, Garcia) the offense is so much more efficient.
It's also the Andy and Heckerts job to realize that and get him some players (since you built a franchise around him) that can use their body well on come backs and the speed and size to not only deal with intermediate inaccuracies but also grab the long ball. I feel that when teams go man against us, it's easier to defend. Slants work well vs man, but we don't really run slants. Comebacks work well, but when you WR isn't physical or can't shield the defender well or just sucks, it creates problems, esp. if the CB is allowed to jump the route. When most of 5's passes are comebacks and outs, it's easier for the defender to get the WR if the ball's not thrown perfectly in stride. I think that's why TO was so successful here bc he could not only create separation and grab the wild ones but also was physical enough to beat press and physical enough to shed the man covering him. And that new man should be Boldin :)
Some of that made sense but including Feeley makes you sound like some sort of maniac!
Quote from: General_Failure on February 08, 2009, 07:08:10 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 08, 2009, 02:12:05 PM
what team cant use better wr's...
Arizona?
New England?
Denver?
How 'bout, what team could use better wide receivers more than the Eagles?
Answer: None.
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 08, 2009, 02:12:05 PM
what team cant use better wr's...if the eagles hadnt made the playoffs in the least ten years or were flaming out in the wild card round because of a lack of wr's then i could see hollering about them...but they consistently make the conf title game...do you honestly believe all of a sudden at that point the reason they dont win is wide receivers...over this time period plenty of teams have won without great wr's
im not even saying that they couldnt have had better wr's over the years because obviously they could...im just done with the wr's is why they dont win the sb bandwagon...at the very least you have to admit that the more people cry for wr's the more people are saying the qb isnt good enough
Some teams could use better WRs yes. Some teams already have a perfect situation.
It all depends on what you want to do. Reid wants to run the Cardinals offense with the Eagles WRs. With the level of talent on this team they could possibly win it all without adding another WR if they simply drafted a more physical RB who along with Westbrook could be a part of a great running game. You add a running game to this group of QB/WRs and you have a much better chance. This offense will remain inconsistent if Reid insists on a big play offense with no running game and WRs not being up to par for that sort of offense.
BTW I might be the only one watching the Pro-Bowl but they just interviewed Boldin and Tiki asked him "But you do want to play for ARZ next season right?"
Boldin "I love playing with the guys we have and I love the fans but my dispute is with the FO. We will see what happens in the next few weeks".
Tiki asked him again "but you want to play in ARZ?" and he said "Again I love my teammates...we will see what happens."
I hope Reid coaching him realizes how much he could help his crazy offense.
Quote from: shorebird on February 08, 2009, 07:13:15 PM
Quote from: General_Failure on February 08, 2009, 07:08:10 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 08, 2009, 02:12:05 PM
what team cant use better wr's...
Arizona?
New England?
Denver?
How 'bout, what team could use better wide receivers more than the Eagles?
Answer: None.
Or which coach passes the ball more than any other coach in the history of the game?
Trotter and Ike were on SportsFinal last night. I thought Trott was going to kill Eskin for talking over Ike and himself. Eskin was proclaiming he knows the ins and outs of a lockerroom better than Ike or FiveFour.
I would have loved to see Trot choke slam Howard.
Not that it matters but I see Eskin on the sidelines behind Reid almost every game home or away. fwiw Eskin's losing a lot of listeners to Missanelli
phreak do you have a conflict of interest with your man trot and the fact that hes been killin mcnabb in the press
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on February 09, 2009, 08:07:14 AM
Trotter and Ike were on SportsFinal last night. I thought Trott was going to kill Eskin for talking over Ike and himself. Eskin was proclaiming he knows the ins and outs of a lockerroom better than Ike or FiveFour.
I see this all the time. Those guys like Sikahema and the other dude (forget him name) get so fired up trying to talk to him its amazing there hasnt been fists thrown
Eskins persona is so tired
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 09, 2009, 08:30:55 AM
phreak do you have a conflict of interest with your man trot and the fact that hes been killin mcnabb in the press
Nope; its ex-player talk. Still love Trot.
But coincidentally, Dawk and Sheldon have come out and supported McNabb after the comments about coming off teh field with a lead.
according to ike and trotter a sheldon or dawk or any of the guys they know in the room would never come out publically and trash mcnabb as long as he is their qb...especially to eskin because they know hes a front office donovan shill
Trott told Eskin, do you really think Sheldon would tell you how he really feels? You Howard? He doenst know you, he just tells you what the company he works for wants to hear.
In reallity how many guys really know anything? 53? Maybe the coaches? We will never understand the dynamic that goes on in this situation. Any answers by ANYONE including a VERY BITTER Jeremiah Trotter is purely speculation.
exactly...sheldon has three choices
1. say nothing
2. rip mcnabb and feel the wrath of his employer upset his fragile qb and bring turmoil to the locker room
3. praise mcnabb while at the same time soothing his tender ego and making his bosses happy
Quote from: stalker on February 09, 2009, 09:36:26 AM
In reallity how many guys really know anything? 53? Maybe the coaches? We will never understand the dynamic that goes on in this situation. Any answers by ANYONE including a VERY BITTER Jeremiah Trotter is purely speculation.
trotter talks to sheldon dawk and several other of his former defensive teammates on the regular...and he is actually fairly complementary of the front office and he really likes "big red"...he has no reason to be bitter towards mcnabb
Who is Eskin and how does he get to be on the sidelines by Reid every game?
Is he the dude who looks like that billionare from the UK who owns a airline?
yeah thats him
hes on the sideline for his job as sideline reporter not via reid or the team and also cause hes the king
he also sends flowers to married women. that's why he's the king
Quote from: BigEd76 on February 09, 2009, 11:47:00 AM
he also sends flowers to married women. that's why he's the king
Good reminder that Valentine's Day is coming up.
who has money for all these fargin holidays
bitches aint nothin but problems...cant live with them cant live without em...but imma deal with it and keep it real with it...and if your ex gives you ass you should STILL hit it
Quote from: Diomedes on February 09, 2009, 01:12:44 PM
who has money for all these fargin holidays
I sure as hell don't, which is why I go with the Chris Farley Chippendales dance.
Quote from: Diomedes on February 09, 2009, 01:12:44 PM
who has money for all these fargin holidays
No kidding. I just found out I'm expected to buy Easter presents even though neither one of us are Christians. I blame McNabb for this
Quote from: General_Failure on February 09, 2009, 01:30:41 PM
Quote from: Diomedes on February 09, 2009, 01:12:44 PM
who has money for all these fargin holidays
I sure as hell don't, which is why I go with the Chris Farley Chippendales dance.
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Quote from: ice grillin you on February 09, 2009, 01:23:13 PM
bitches aint nothin but problems...cant live with them cant live without em...but imma deal with it and keep it real with it...and if your ex gives you ass you should STILL hit it
In English please!
Quote from: stalker on February 09, 2009, 01:52:16 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 09, 2009, 01:23:13 PM
bitches aint nothin but problems...cant live with them cant live without em...but imma deal with it and keep it real with it...and if your ex gives you ass you should STILL hit it
In English please!
Ladies are more trouble than they are worth. You cannot live with women, nor can you live without them. However, I still love the women and will try to court them with much enthusiasm. Also, if your ex-lover should give you an opportunity to have anal intercourse, you should avail yourself of that opportunity with great relish.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on February 09, 2009, 02:38:18 PM
Quote from: stalker on February 09, 2009, 01:52:16 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 09, 2009, 01:23:13 PM
bitches aint nothin but problems...cant live with them cant live without em...but imma deal with it and keep it real with it...and if your ex gives you ass you should STILL hit it
In English please!
Ladies are more trouble than they are worth. You cannot live with women, nor can you live without them. However, I still love the women and will try to court them with much enthusiasm. Also, if your ex-lover should give you an opportunity to have anal intercourse, you should avail yourself of that opportunity with great relish.
Thank you! I am in full agreement with this theory. Did you study at Berlitz?
what exactly did mcnabb say again? i remember glancing over it and it didn't seem like much.
"Blah, blah, blah, stupid joke, wah, wah, wah"
Quote from: Tomahawk on February 09, 2009, 04:01:22 PM
"Blah, blah, blah, stupid joke, wah, wah, wah, vomit, goofy smile, wah wah wah"
Quote from: rjs246 on February 09, 2009, 04:02:14 PM
Quote from: Tomahawk on February 09, 2009, 04:01:22 PM
"Blah, blah, blah, stupid joke, worm burner, wah, wah, wah, vomit, goofy smile, wah wah wah,"
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 09, 2009, 04:19:25 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on February 09, 2009, 04:02:14 PM
Quote from: Tomahawk on February 09, 2009, 04:01:22 PM
"Blah, blah, blah, stupid joke, worm burner, wah, wah, wah, vomit, goofy smile, wah wah wah,"
:-D
Quote from: Tomahawk on February 09, 2009, 01:31:18 PM
Quote from: Diomedes on February 09, 2009, 01:12:44 PM
who has money for all these fargin holidays
No kidding. I just found out I'm expected to buy Easter presents even though neither one of us are Christians. I blame McNabb for this
How long have you been married? After 14 years of marriage I celebrate three things:
1. NFL Opening Day
2. Phillies Opening Day
3A. The first summer swell - which historically has hit on Mother's Day Weekend.
3B. NFL Draft but after the past three years that day is on ashort leash
Don, how did you get to be a fan of the Phillie teams?
Quote from: stalker on February 09, 2009, 04:34:21 PM
Don, how did you get to be a fan of the Phillie teams?
Massive amounts of dope. Just kidding :paranoid Tell um' it's just a joke SeaBiscuit.
Don Ho 101:
Born in Philadelphia. My family is all from Hawaii but my father was with the Campbell Soup Co. and was working out of Camden and I popped up in Philadelphia. No I was not born in Camden. We moved back here when I was just over a year old. Growing up here everyone is a Niner, Rams (old LA days), Raiders, Lakers, Dodgers, Giants, etc. fan. As a kid I said "Screw that" and have always been a Philly sports fan. Old enough to have seen The Phillies of 80 win it, The birds of 80 blow it in SB XV, Sixers in 83. Barely remember the Flyers in 75. Been to The Vet three times, Wachovia and CPB in 07. Don Jr. can't wait to go back as we had a blast when we visited there.
Thanks for the MauiWowee again
Quote from: Don Ho on February 09, 2009, 04:45:10 PM
Quote from: stalker on February 09, 2009, 04:34:21 PM
Don, how did you get to be a fan of the Phillie teams?
Massive amounts of dope. Just kidding :paranoid Tell um' it's just a joke SeaBiscuit.
Don Ho 101:
Born in Philadelphia.
Ho mans been here almost as long as I have, I think. No matter were he was born or were he lives, he's a die hard Eagle fan, no doubt.
Tiny Bubbles baby!!
you want his mauiwowee dont you
hot. Don is hilarious though, at least half of Oahu knows him.
You know I love you all. Well, most of you. I have still made it my life mission to find that little prick Romolicious and kick the living shtein out of him.
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on February 09, 2009, 10:11:30 PM
hot. Don is hilarious though, at least half of Oahu knows him.
shtein, you saw my photo at the post office?
Quote from: Don Ho on February 09, 2009, 04:29:20 PM
Quote from: Tomahawk on February 09, 2009, 01:31:18 PM
Quote from: Diomedes on February 09, 2009, 01:12:44 PM
who has money for all these fargin holidays
No kidding. I just found out I'm expected to buy Easter presents even though neither one of us are Christians. I blame McNabb for this
How long have you been married? After 14 years of marriage I celebrate three things:
1. NFL Opening Day
2. Phillies Opening Day
3A. The first summer swell - which historically has hit on Mother's Day Weekend.
3B. NFL Draft but after the past three years that day is on ashort leash
I'm not married. That's probably why her expectations are still way too high.
Valentine's day is easily one of the lamest of the holidays...talk about a consumer-driven extravaganza. Haven't "celebrated" that in probably 20 years.
I like St. Valentine's day as it is one of the 3 or 4 times a year I get oral.
You should ask your sons over to dinner more often.
ESPN said the Iggles were extending McNabbulous.
Hopefully to infinity...
Evidently he's still "miffed" over being benched and he and Reid haven't talked about it yet.
Definitely hard-hitting stuff from ESPN as always.
yeah ray diddy was on wip yesterday and said apparently mcnabb has requested a meeting with the front office multiple times since the superbowl and they have not responded
unless they want to see him doing goofy dances in his driveway this off-season they better get something done quick
According to Michael Smith:
DMac tells Reid and Banner to improve the offense or he wants out (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3929063)
QuoteAccording to a source, McNabb and agent Fletcher Smith quietly met with Eagles coach Andy Reid and Eagles president Joe Banner for several hours last Tuesday at the team's complex in Philadelphia, before Reid and Banner traveled to the league's scouting combine in Indianapolis.
The source said the sides cleared the air once and for all on Reid's Week 12 benching of McNabb in Baltimore. They also held preliminary, informal discussions about a contract extension, the source said. The source said the parties had preferred to keep the meeting confidential as they work through various issues beyond the benching.
Those contract talks may not resume any time soon. McNabb would like the Eagles to add to their already solid core pieces that would make them an even stronger championship contender before engaging in serious negotiations on an extension. McNabb, 32, is under contract for two more seasons.
Although McNabb wants to remain in Philadelphia, if the Eagles aren't successful in significantly upgrading an offense that needs help at wide receiver, running back and offensive tackle (veterans Jon Runyan and Tra Thomas are free agents beginning Friday), not only may McNabb drop his request for a new contract he may consider going as far as to ask the Eagles to trade him.
good for him...he should have done this years ago.
If he's still pissed off about being benched for a half a game then he should just do the world a favor and blow his farging brains out. He has a point about them needing more weapons, but for farg's sake, 90% of the teams in the NFL could use better skill position players, not just the Eagles.
Quote from: Rome on February 23, 2009, 06:40:21 PM
If he's still pissed off about being benched for a half a game then he should just do the world a favor and blow his farging brains out. He has a point about them needing more weapons, but for farg's sake, 90% of the teams in the NFL could use better skill position players, not just the Eagles.
Well he has been saying since the week 12 benching that they will have this meeting. And he has been also saying "other stuff too" so I wonder if that other stuff is upgrading the offense.
Reid probably ignored it like he did his sons.
well if Reid has been selling McNabb this long that the players he puts on the field can win a championship I dont think a 2 hr meeting will accomplish shtein
Good for him.
He's been asking for weapons for awhile now so I am glad to see him throw it in their face.
when they truly needed to improve the offense all those years mcnabb didnt say shtein...now when the offense is good enough to win a title hes asking for improvement?...the ironic part is now the reason it needs improvement if because the qb isnt good enough to win with what he has
i suspect this primarily has to do with the benching with some $$$ concerns mixed in and nothing to do with getting a better offense...thats a complete negotiation tactic
You think this offense with no running game, often injured Westbrook, and very inconsistent QB/WR play is good enough to win a championship?
There it is; the IGY view....I was waiting to see how you'd spin it against him.
Yeah, let's all hold hands and sing kumbaya now that the little bitch finally made a stand after 10 farging years of having stiffs like Greg Lewis & James Thrash to throw to.
Maybe he'll stop puking on the field and stop his shuck & jive bullshtein on the sidelines as well?
Nah.
He's been making that stand since at least 2003. They answered the call once with TO in 2004 and haven't done shtein since.
Hahaha. No he hasn't. He hasn't said a farging word to the press until this year and he only started shooting his mouth off because his deal is coming to an end.
Look, I like McNabb. I think he's a very good quarterback and that if they actually got him some bonafide weapons other than Westbrook, we'd be talking about him potentially being in the Hall of Fame some day.
But all this bullshtein about "good for him" is a joke. He's a Hoyda, he's always been a Hoyda, so let's all just stop it with the slaps on the back for the company man. 'kay?
I bet you if he had thrown guys like Trash and Pinkston under the bus and still lost those 3 NFCCGames the talk would be he threw his teammates under the bus. Still I would have loved it. He almost always echoed Reid those years with the "We are fine at WR" company line.
Al though last off season he did publicly state they needed more weapons.
TO on this team was more of TO begging to come to this team.
We've been throwing Reid et al under the bus for years around here. Nice to see McNabb say what we've all thought for years... finally!
Chances are that the front office won't appreciate a player telling them how to run their team and that'll be the end. He'll end up somewhere else and most likely win a championship.... That's the Eagle way!
grow a pair of balls and call wip and ask for more publicly. say im the qb this is my team and i need more weapons. dont be a bitch and ask nicely to your bosses, like thatll work. he gets called mcbitch, mchoke, McNabb, that sweet hunk of man meat,, etc. for a farging reason.
Because you're all terrible at coming up with good insulting nicknames?
Quote from: Magical_Retard on February 23, 2009, 08:41:27 PM
You think this offense with no running game, often injured Westbrook, and very inconsistent QB/WR play is good enough to win a championship?
pittsburgh won with less than what the eagles have...the steelers had no offensive line for god sakes...the eagles easily have enough to win a superbowl...you dont need great weapons these days...this is not the nfl of the 80's and early 90's
Quote from: Rome on February 23, 2009, 08:50:10 PM
Hahaha. No he hasn't. He hasn't said a farging word to the press until this year and he only started shooting his mouth off because his deal is coming to an end.
Where the hell have you been? He's said something in some form or another for at least 3 years now. Everything from flat out asking for "playmakers in all phases" last season, to his yardbarker shtein 2 years ago... to mentioning how it'd be nice to have a top WR for more than a year or so. Has he came right out and shteinted on Greg Lewis or somebody? No... and he shouldn't. But to say he hasn't said shtein until now is a flat out lie.
maybe he should shut his stupid face and hit a wr in stride just once in his career.
Quote from: hunt on February 24, 2009, 10:41:29 AM
maybe he should shut his stupid face and hit a wr in stride just once in his career.
The delightful irony of this complaint is that the WR's got the job done and were getting open in Arizona, and it was McNabb holding the offense back for most of the game.
That said, I don't care where the motivation to improve the team comes from, but I want the team improved. So, I approve of McNabb's whining, even if he should look in the mirror to see why he didn't get a shot against the Steelers in the Super Bowl.
His mirror is going to show him the defense? Weird
Quote from: FastFreddie on February 24, 2009, 11:42:59 AM
Quote from: hunt on February 24, 2009, 10:41:29 AM
maybe he should shut his stupid face and hit a wr in stride just once in his career.
The delightful irony of this complaint is that the WR's got the job done and were getting open in Arizona, and it was McNabb holding the offense back for most of the game.
That said, I don't care where the motivation to improve the team comes from, but I want the team improved. So, I approve of McNabb's whining, even if he should look in the mirror to see why he didn't get a shot against the Steelers in the Super Bowl.
it was incredible how wild and open the recievers were all first half...looked like a flock of gazelles across the serengetti...the result: 6 points
I've said all along that the defense was more to blame than anyone else.
But on offense, McNabb was more to blame than anyone else.
The only thing that can help McNabb when he's having a bad game is a philosophical change in the offense. Since that isn't going to happen they might as well get him a receiver to at least score a crapload of points more often when he's having a good game.
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 24, 2009, 06:17:53 AM
Quote from: Magical_Retard on February 23, 2009, 08:41:27 PM
You think this offense with no running game, often injured Westbrook, and very inconsistent QB/WR play is good enough to win a championship?
pittsburgh won with less than what the eagles have...the steelers had no offensive line for god sakes...the eagles easily have enough to win a superbowl...you dont need great weapons these days...this is not the nfl of the 80's and early 90's
But the Steelers won with a far superior defensive performance that held the Cardinals to 7 pts till the fourth qrt. Pitts D and this offense then I can see your point. As it is this defense is good but not great. This offense is very inconsistent andMcNabb is anti clutch, so they can never afford to be in a shootout where its up to the offense to score 30+. Unless of course you add some bonafide WRs.
arizona had 16 pts when it most counted against pittsburgh
i love how the steelers defense was so great that game yet gave up 16 4th quarter pts but the eagles defense lost the game for them
pittsburgh d was no better than the eagles d and basically did the same thing the birds d did..give up huge 4th quarter pts...steelers were actually worse at that
the difference was pittsburgh had a qb that could still win the game when it counted
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 24, 2009, 01:34:56 PM
arizona had 16 pts when it most counted against pittsburgh
i love how the steelers defense was so great that game yet gave up 16 4th quarter pts but the eagles defense lost the game for them
pittsburgh d was no better than the eagles d and basically did the same thing the birds d did..give up huge 4th quarter pts...steelers were actually worse at that
the difference was pittsburgh had a qb that could still win the game when it counted
That's why he was voted MVP?
mcnabb won sb mvp?
i dont understand your point
Does anyone disagree with any of these statements?
1. McNabb choked on it very hard for most of the Arizona game, but unlike some of his other choke job games, he actually got the team the lead (briefly) and apparently didn't vomit. Go 5.
2. The defense choked on it also and gave up over 30 points in the NFC Championship game, causing a loss to the farging Arizona Cardinals.
3. An absolute star WR, the type of player that comes around about once a decade, made a massive difference in the game and tore the Eagles to shreds.
4. The Eagles WR's, for their part, seemed to play fairly well and get open for most of the game.
5. The Eagles offense would be better with a WR similar to that mentioned in #3.
Five for five for fast frederick.
I think everyone agrees. Does this mean that we can shut down the internet?
all im asking is why the steeler defense was so good and won the game for them giving up 16 pts in the fourth quarter including a last two minute touchdown...but the eagle defense lost the game for them
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 24, 2009, 01:40:26 PM
mcnabb won sb mvp?
i dont understand your point
Rothelisberger wasn't. Holmes had more to do with that game winning drive than the QB
Quote from: Tomahawk on February 24, 2009, 01:53:15 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 24, 2009, 01:40:26 PM
mcnabb won sb mvp?
i dont understand your point
Rothelisberger wasn't. Holmes had more to do with that game winning drive than the QB
lol
It takes two to tango?
IGY's point about the Steelers D is totally valid. They choked on it at the end, and Ben and Santonio bailed them out.
Les Bowen types words. (http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/20090224_Les_Bowen__This_won_t_end_well_for_Eagles_if_reports_on_McNabb_are_true.html)
I won't even qualify the headline with a "if true" This will not end well. It never does in this town when the story-line gets to this point. Here's another prediction. McNabb will get his wish - the Eagles will add weapons to the team - and it will be due to him being traded.
Right before free agency is curious timing for this, no? Surely ReidCo is shteinting bricks of rage and McNabb will never be worth more than he is right now. A trade solves the whole issue once and for all. The world will not come to an end - the stands will still be full and the hotdogs will still sell.
And someday soon we'll talk about the McNabb era with wistful recriminations just as we do with Cunningham...
Quote from: JackStraw on February 24, 2009, 05:11:20 PMAnd someday soon we'll talk about the McNabb era with wistful recriminations just as we do with Cunningham...
isn't that a fact
Doubt McNabb said this, but the funny thing is that every team McNabb would be traded to has inferior weapons than the Eagles.
Vikings?
Bears?
Chiefs?
I'll take the Eagles WRs over either of them. Not to mention Westbrook and a good solid offensive line.
Vikings will have their new starter Sage Rosenfels from the Texans-- probably on Friday according to reports for a 4th rd'er
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 24, 2009, 01:34:56 PM
arizona had 16 pts when it most counted against pittsburgh
i love how the steelers defense was so great that game yet gave up 16 4th quarter pts but the eagles defense lost the game for them
pittsburgh d was no better than the eagles d and basically did the same thing the birds d did..give up huge 4th quarter pts...steelers were actually worse at that
the difference was pittsburgh had a qb that could still win the game when it counted
Listen you can believe what you want but going into the 4rth qrt the Steelers gave up 7 pts, which allowed for the awful Steelers offense to stick around and keep a lead. You do not think the Eagles offense puts up enough pts to win if the defense had held the Cards to 7?
But the Steelers are built for that, esp with Ben at QB. How many times during the season did they keep the game close enough for Ben to do something at the very end? The Steelers D played far superior and even when they fell apart they could afford to knowing Ben would/could pull a trick out of his hat even if the rest of the game he played just OK.
Its the exact opposite for the Eagles. We know McNabb can not do that. So for yes for the type of team the Eagles are, their defense failed much more. 24 pts in one half? Forcing a already inconsistent offense with Westbrook completely not productive to come back down 18?
Even if you claim the Steelers defense failed in the 4rth as badly as the Eagles defense did in the 4rth, they still played a much better overall game and kept the game in range.
And its not even about winning a Championship...its about remaining competitive because this team was a 9-7 team which got into the playoffs by a miracle and was lucky to play the Vikes and the Giants without Burress. So yes whether McNabb deserves it or not...he/the team needs more weapons to remain competitive within the NFC East. For them to have any chance next season they need to be far better offensively. Even Dallas, with all its turmoil and breakdown was right there at the end.
QuoteI think I'm not getting into more of this story. I don't think anything of it, just like I don't think anything of the 20 other stories about McNabb over the years. As for lying and all of that, I don't point fingers. I don't know how the story originated and I honestly don't give a rat's ass. I care about free agency and the draft. I see Donovan every day and he is in great spirits. I don't get the sense at all that he wants to leave the Eagles. So that's all I'm going to say.
Bye-bye Donovan.
I never feel sorry for that bald idiot but you can tell he is stuck not saying anything. He cant admit to the meeting or the reports, and now he cant deny them either.
Apparently he has lunch with McNabb all the time. I believe that as much as I believe the Eagles went after Randy Moss.
Quote from: Diomedes on February 24, 2009, 05:20:04 PM
Quote from: JackStraw on February 24, 2009, 05:11:20 PMAnd someday soon we'll talk about the McNabb era with wistful recriminations just as we do with Cunningham...
isn't that a fact
no chance...mcnabb is a better qb obviously but randall was much more fun to watch and more importantly to listen to...or not listen to...mcnabbs douchebag personality will never allow him to be beloved like randall unless of course he wns a superbowl and even then im not sure
same goes for andy and buddy
Quote from: Rome on February 24, 2009, 07:17:12 PM
QuoteI think I'm not getting into more of this story. I don't think anything of it, just like I don't think anything of the 20 other stories about McNabb over the years. As for lying and all of that, I don't point fingers. I don't know how the story originated and I honestly don't give a rat's ass. I care about free agency and the draft. I see Donovan every day and he is in great spirits. I don't get the sense at all that he wants to leave the Eagles. So that's all I'm going to say.
Bye-bye Donovan.
wow andy said that!!!
I dunno - after the Dallas-Randall-I had-a-baby-Rodney-Peete-can't-be-beat-injury-playoff-game Mr. Ultimate Weapon was none too loved. I also recall Buddy's early game exit up the ramp in his final game was none too keenly received either- time wounds all heels I guess and in McNabbs case we'll all cry in our beer about 4&26 and the time he juked that Foreskin out of his jock early on, etc. 'Course ralphing in the SB has little equal in my book except maybe Randall's punt on 3rd which was low moment for the Eagles as well...
But point taken -Yet I do think recriminations are more about what didn't happen vs what did happen, so yes while the recollections will be necessarily different, they'll be more about woulda shoulda hence the wistful part...
the hate for mcnabb will disapate but he will never be loved as much as either of those two without a title or without a complete personality makeover whether it be while he plays or even after he retires...if he says all the right things when he leaves the game about the city the fans ect he can self makeover himself but that doesnt seem like something donovan would ever do...in fact i can see him winning a superbowl and having an i told you so attitude rather than what the phillies and charlie manuel did and manuel got murdered far worse than mcnabb ever has
I don't think even a single title would make most Eagles fans love him. Thank him? Sure. Appreciate him for winning? Well, no shtein. But love him? No farging way. He's a phony and Philly people can smell a phony a mile away.
^^^^^
so true
Most Eagles fans do love him. He was voted the best QB in Eagles history on PE.com. Where better to get a consensus of the fan base than PE.com?
Being the best Eagles QB in history is not the same as being loved.
I was being facetious. But in all seriousness, even with all the dislike for McNabb, the far majority of the fan base still loves him. Pretty much every fan survey indicates so.
i cant 100% tell if cole was being serious and is an idiot or was trying to be funny and failed horribly...i think its the latter
I was about to go all "stalker" on Cole, but I have to admit, that was pretty funny.
HA! Cunningham was not appreciated at the time just like McNabb. It's Philly sports and the QB position is the most scrutinized. Buddy slapped together an offensive line and Randal ran for his life back there.
Just wait till McNabb is gone and we're left with... Kolb... or some other shlub some other coach has drafted. Once this era of football is over the Eagles are going to stink for a while. We're talking Rich Kotite stink!
Quote from: Phanatic on February 24, 2009, 11:26:40 PM
HA! Cunningham was not appreciated at the time just like McNabb. It's Philly sports and the QB position is the most scrutinized. Buddy slapped together an offensive line and Randal ran for his life back there.
Just wait till McNabb is gone and we're left with... Kolb... or some other shlub some other coach has drafted. Once this era of football is over the Eagles are going to stink for a while. We're talking Rich Kotite stink!
Actually maybe no. I see McNabb long gone before Reid, from the Eagles not Earth, and if Reid maintains his philosophy in combo with Banner they will always field a decent enough team that can always make a push for the playoffs.
As for McNabb being real and somehow Cunningham had this great personality? Please. Remember when he found Jesus and everything was peace and love with Deon laying hands on injured players during Eagle Dallas games? shtein man. Put down the crack pipe.
Quote from: Magical_Retard on February 24, 2009, 11:29:15 PM
Quote from: Phanatic on February 24, 2009, 11:26:40 PM
HA! Cunningham was not appreciated at the time just like McNabb. It's Philly sports and the QB position is the most scrutinized. Buddy slapped together an offensive line and Randal ran for his life back there.
Just wait till McNabb is gone and we're left with... Kolb... or some other shlub some other coach has drafted. Once this era of football is over the Eagles are going to stink for a while. We're talking Rich Kotite stink!
Actually maybe no. I see McNabb long gone before Reid, from the Eagles not Earth, and if Reid maintains his philosophy in combo with Banner they will always field a decent enough team that can always make a push for the playoffs.
Reid has lost his mind and his teams will continue to take on strange strategy quirks like the ones we're seeing now. Its going to be a long slow road to hell.
Quote from: Phanatic on February 24, 2009, 11:26:40 PM
Just wait till McNabb is gone and we're left with... Kolb... or some other shlub some other coach has drafted. Once this era of football is over the Eagles are going to stink for a while. We're talking Rich Kotite stink!
when mcnabb leaves if the team makes the right moves they will be good again...if they dont make the right moves then they wont be good...and its very hard to be bad in the nfl for "a while"...yes you have your detroits but anyone can win 10 11 12 games these days and they mostly all do...this isnt the nfl of 20 years ago
Cunningham was more of a prima donna than McNabb ever will be. With his stupid slogans, gold tipped shoe laces, and church going demeanor his personality wasn't a fit for Philly. If you ever read 'Bringing the Heat' Seth Joyner gave him the nickname Ran-Doll. I think most of us just grew up watching him and he was such an exciting player we let the personality stuff go.
Rome hit the nail on the head with McNabb. He's a cornball, he's too classy to play in Philly. He lacks that attitude we love. Some players can get away with it as long as they have fan appeal, he has neither.
Quote from: Phanatic on February 24, 2009, 11:29:44 PM
As for McNabb being real and somehow Cunningham had this great personality? Please. Remember when he found Jesus and everything was peace and love with Deon laying hands on injured players during Eagle Dallas games? shtein man. Put down the crack pipe.
no people dont remember....thats the point...
they remember the great escape in rich stadium...they remember the carl banks greatest balancing act ever seen...him jumping over players into the end zone...the 90 yard punt...mcnabb will be remembered for puking in the superbowl and hating eagle fans
and chunky soup commercials
I'll remember McNabb throwing four TDs on a broken ankle whether it's accurate or not
I'll remember when he whipped his Joselio out and pissed on everyone at the draft.
so a guy with a history of coming up small in big games & 2 years left on his contract is threatening to not accept a raise unless the eagles go out & get more offensive weapons.
mmm'kay.
Quote from: MDS on February 25, 2009, 08:53:02 AM
and chunky soup commercials
Chunky soup looks like puke - how ironic
Quote from: Tomahawk on February 25, 2009, 10:09:34 AM
I'll remember McNabb throwing four TDs on a broken ankle whether it's accurate or not
...against the Cruds - doubly ironic...
Has free agency started yet? This conversation is 5 years old.
Yes. The taterskins traded for McNabb.
IGY has to be trolling, right? Right? I'm just getting the joke, right???
No, he's a racist and thinks the Eagles should get a white quarterback.
Imagine the Birds with a QB with more heart but lesser physical talents in this offense... Same effect with the same coaches.
or imagine a qb with physical talents accuracy AND heart
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 27, 2009, 07:12:52 AM
or imagine a qb with physical talents accuracy AND heart
Those guys don't grow on trees. There are maybe 3 in the NFL right now.
McNabb is the next Elway (http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=17541)!
In other news, I'm Batman.
Quote from: FastFreddie on March 16, 2009, 01:39:11 PM
McNabb is the next Elway (http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=17541)!
In other news, I'm Batman.
I figured you more as Robin's gay brother.
Quote from: hbionic on March 16, 2009, 01:41:03 PM
I imagined you more as Robin's gay brother.
Pervert.
Quote from: FastFreddie on March 16, 2009, 01:39:11 PM
McNabb is the next Elway (http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=17541)!
In other news, I'm Batman.
you laugh but his numbers and accomplishments are right on path with Elway as angry at it makes you and the rest of the fans feel
I sent a blurb about this a couple of months ago
http://www.concretefield.com/forum/index.php?topic=20366.msg655124;topicseen#msg655124 (http://www.concretefield.com/forum/index.php?topic=20366.msg655124;topicseen#msg655124)
I've been trying to sell myself on this "theory, dream, hope, excuse, etc." ever since the loss to Carolina.
Now it's just become a nightmare.
Link (http://www.philly.com/philly/hp/news_update/20090317_Eagles__Kolb_awaits_another_chance.html)
Quote
Eagles' Kolb awaits another chance
By Bob Brookover
Inquirer Staff Writer
DELAND, Fla. - Kevin Kolb is like everybody else who witnessed the Eagles' lopsided loss to the Baltimore Ravens in late November.
He wonders what would have happened if the offense's 69-yard drive in the fourth quarter had just been 1 yard longer and resulted in an Eagles touchdown.
"In my mind, I'm thinking, 'If I don't throw that pick, we just went all the way down the field and we're right back in the ball game,' " Kolb said after participating in former teammate Tra Thomas' charity golf tournament Friday.
"That's the way I look at it," Kolb said. "I'm one play away from that whole stigma of that game being erased, and I think we go on to win."
Instead, Kolb's first NFL touchdown pass ended up being an interception that safety Ed Reed returned 108 yards for a touchdown, triggering the rout.
Kolb, 24, who had entered the game in relief of a slumping Donovan McNabb after halftime, completed just 10 of 23 passes for 73 yards and threw two interceptions without leading the offense to any points.
The next morning, coach Andy Reid informed Kolb that he was back on the bench and that McNabb would start a Thanksgiving night game against the Arizona Cardinals.
"He just said, 'I think Donovan has earned it,' " Kolb said. "I was upset with myself and not anybody else. He did also say: 'You're going to be a great quarterback. You have everything it takes. You'll be there one day. We just don't know when.' "
Based on what they've seen so far, plenty of people have grown skeptical about Kolb's ability. Kolb understands, and knows he can't change any minds without getting another chance.
"That's what they've seen," Kolb said when asked about the perception that he might be a busted draft pick. "If I introduce myself to an individual and he acts like a fool, I think he's a fool. But I've only known him for three minutes. I can't blame the fans for that. I just have to look forward to the next time I get a chance to prove myself."
The waiting, Kolb admitted, becomes more difficult with each passing year. He plans to be at the NovaCare Complex for the start of formal off-season workouts April 6, but knows that, barring some unforeseen event, he's going to be McNabb's understudy again in 2009, which will be his third NFL season. Kolb's rookie contract expires after the 2010 season.
"I try to keep the big picture in perspective, but it does get more difficult because you want to be out there," Kolb said. "For me, it's about proving to all my teammates that I belong, and that I can lead them and they can win with me."
Kolb said that was why he was so angry with himself about what happened against the Ravens. He felt he had let a chance to be the starting quarterback slip away even if the circumstances - a road game against a dominating defense without the benefit of practicing with the first-team offense - weren't ideal.
"It was a tough situation, but I could have done a lot better than I did," Kolb said.
Even though things worked out pretty well for the Eagles - McNabb led a late-season surge that allowed them to make a deep playoff run - Kolb said he went home to Texas after the NFC championship game feeling frustrated. It wasn't until he started talking to his family and friends that he realized things weren't that bad.
"It makes you look at the whole perspective," said Kolb, whose wife, Whitney, gave birth to the couple's first child - a daughter, Kamryn - in January. "As an NFL player, you have to do that. You have to look at how fortunate you are in what you're doing, but at the same time not lose your drive and ambition. I'm trying to balance those two things."
And he's waiting as patiently as he can for that next chance.
"You know, what I figured out about this league is that it's impossible to predict anything," Kolb said. "That's why I don't read anything, and I don't listen to anything. I just let the punches roll.
"I know at some point in my career I'll get a solid chance. Hopefully, it's with the Eagles. But I know at some point it will happen, and I look forward to meeting the challenge."
Big ups to Ed Reed. We could very well be in the middle of the Kolb era right now if not for him.
Quote from: reese125 on March 16, 2009, 02:58:19 PM
Quote from: FastFreddie on March 16, 2009, 01:39:11 PM
McNabb is the next Elway (http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=17541)!
In other news, I'm Batman.
you laugh but his numbers and accomplishments are right on path with Elway as angry at it makes you and the rest of the fans feel
I sent a blurb about this a couple of months ago
so what are you saying then?
that mcnabb is the same qb as elway without two superbowls or mcnabb is going to win two superbowls in the next few years...define "right on path"
this is the problem with people who follow stats to much and not games...the difference btwn elway and mcnabb cannot be found on a google search...but rather inside their chest...in fact mcnabb probably has better stats than elway but elway is the best clutch qb of all time...if mcnabb had 1/100th of the stones elway had then donovan would have the same amount of superbowls
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 17, 2009, 08:45:19 AM
this is the problem with people who follow stats to much and not games...the difference btwn elway and mcnabb cannot be found on a google search...but rather inside their chest...in fact mcnabb probably has better stats than elway but elway is the best clutch qb of all time.
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics."- Benjamin Disraeli
- Made famous by Mark Twain
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 17, 2009, 08:45:19 AM
Quote from: reese125 on March 16, 2009, 02:58:19 PM
Quote from: FastFreddie on March 16, 2009, 01:39:11 PM
McNabb is the next Elway (http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=17541)!
In other news, I'm Batman.
you laugh but his numbers and accomplishments are right on path with Elway as angry at it makes you and the rest of the fans feel
I sent a blurb about this a couple of months ago
so what are you saying then?
that mcnabb is the same qb as elway without two superbowls or mcnabb is going to win two superbowls in the next few years...define "right on path"
this is the problem with people who follow stats to much and not games...the difference btwn elway and mcnabb cannot be found on a google search...but rather inside their chest...in fact mcnabb probably has better stats than elway but elway is the best clutch qb of all time...if mcnabb had 1/100th of the stones elway had then donovan would have the same amount of superbowls
You do realize that I was playing the other side of the coin right?
I will never in my lifetime say Donovan McNabb is John Elway or better than John Elway probably because Im biased against him to begin with, but also based on what you stated about is heart, drive.............and accuracy. Keep in mind that Elways heart and desire were questioned big time and he was on his way out of town until one good season changed everything
unless McNabb somehow makes that complete turn around in confidence (especially in 4th quarters) in these next 5 years of his career he is way below Elway in my book..if he does turn it around somehow or switch teams to win a SB or bowls its a hard argument
and Im not the one that cast ballots into the Hall of Fame and by McNabbs "path he is one"-- his all-around numbers, years played, conference championships and
one SB win he is in the Hall and comparable to Elway from an outside perspective
Kolbsy accrues points for his succinct "fool" analogy and then squanders them on the silly, trendy spelling of his new daughters name.
QuoteMcNabb, Eagles Talking Contract?
Posted by Mike Florio on June 2, 2009, 7:37 p.m.
A trusted reader (who despite being Amish still uses a computer) advises us that Derrick Gunn of Comcast SportsNet in Philly reported earlier tonight that the Eagles and quarterback Donovan McNabb are discussing an adjustment to the final two years of his contract.
Per the report, the two sides are not yet discussing an extension. Instead, the talks relate to an adjustment of the deal to reflect McNabb's market value.
Meanwhile, Sheldon Brown and Shawn Andrews and every other Eagles player more than a few years into an ultra-long-term deal have simultaneously muttered, "What the f–k?"
Why would Sheldon and Andrews, who said nothing about his deal and only the weirdo Les Bowen speculated about, mutter "what the farg" about a guy getting his final 2 years re-worked of a 10yr contract?
From CSN:
QuoteTuesday, June 2, 2009
CSNPhilly.com
The Eagles are working on a new deal with Donovan McNabb.
A league source has told CSN's Derrick Gunn that the two sides have been discussing an extension for the past month. They have agreed to pause the extension talks until a later date and instead have decided to focus on reworking the two years remaining on his current deal.
McNabb is scheduled to earn $9.2 million this season and $10 million in 2010.
more coming...
Please never quote Mike Florio again.
kthxbye.
The real problem with Florio is that he's gotten mainstream, and journalists now feed off his site.
When it was just ridiculous speculation he was fine.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 02, 2009, 08:30:50 PM
Why would Sheldon and Andrews, who said nothing about his deal and only the weirdo Les Bowen speculated about, mutter "what the farg" about a guy getting his final 2 years re-worked of a 10yr contract?
shawn andrews has no beef whatsoever....but you really couldnt understand how this would piss sheldon off?
Yeah, cause Sheldon is just as irreplaceable as McNabb.
Absolutely.
huh?
mcnabb is the franchise qb, which deserves a contract extention/renegotiation. not to mention that it could free up more cap room so banner has more cash on hand to sexually molest.
sheldon is a solid, but only above average corner and above average corners don't get new contracts with 4 years remaining on their current deal.
of course, brown doesn't and will never see it that way.
it doesnt work like that...both players have outplayed their deals...a qb deserves a bigger raise than most positions but to say because one guy is a qb and one isnt means only one gets a re-do is re-tard-ville
QuoteEagles, McNabb may be moving toward deal
By Bob Brookover
Inquirer Staff Writer
Eagles president Joe Banner said yesterday all contract discussions - or disputes - are not created equal.
That might explain why the team and quarterback Donovan McNabb could be moving closer to a renegotiated contract, as reported by Comcast SportsNet, and why the team and cornerback Sheldon Brown are not.
"I don't want to speak about individual situations, but we've been really clear that there are situations that warrant being addressed," Banner said yesterday after he helped paint a giant mural on the side of the Potter-Thomas School in Kensington during the Eagles Youth Partnership's 13th annual playground-building event. "We did it with Brian Westbrook. We're not sitting here with some inflexible absolute rule that says you sign a contract and you're toast."
The Eagles reworked Westbrook's contract last September with three years left on the deal.
"We're saying there are circumstances, and from our perspective they have to be fairly extreme, that warrant looking at a certain situation," Banner said. "Remember, Donovan is five years into a seven-year contract. Obviously, not only the numbers, but the distance somebody is into a contract will affect our evaluation as to whether something warrants being addressed."
Beyond that reference to McNabb, Banner would not comment on talks with McNabb's agent, Fletcher Smith. Smith did not return calls yesterday.
McNabb has two years remaining on a deal he signed in 2002. This year's salary is for $9.2 million and next year he will make $10 million, but that money is not guaranteed. Comcast SportsNet reported that talks could involve guaranteeing some of the money in the next two years, if not an extension of the contract.
"I'm damned if I do, damned if I don't," McNabb said after yesterday's workout at the NovaCare Complex, referring to how much he speaks to the media while declining to discuss the contract situation.
His only other comment was that he thought the Los Angeles Lakers would beat the Orlando Magic in six games in the NBA Finals.
Late last season and earlier in the off-season, McNabb said he would like a new contract.
As for Brown, he continued to skip this camp, which is voluntary but has every other player in attendance. (Some players are not participating in drills because of injuries.)
Brown has four years remaining on his deal. He did not return phone or text messages seeking comment.
"Any of the situations that come up, they'll have their perspective and we'll have ours," Banner said. "Our hope is that they will match each other. You don't like having these kinds of disagreements, but when things don't match, we're just going to have to live with that."
Eagles offensive coordinator Marty Mornhinweg said he believes McNabb has a lot of productive football left in him.
"I think he's right in the middle of his career," Mornhinweg said.
His prime?
"Yes," Mornhinweg said. "He's right in the middle of an outstanding career, and I think one day he'll most likely be elected to the Hall of Fame. He has some more work to do to do that, but he's been playing at a high level for quite some time."
It appears as if at least two more years of that work will come with the Eagles. If the team decides to extend McNabb's deal beyond next season, then it is possible Kevin Kolb never will get a chance to be the Eagles' starting quarterback. Like McNabb, Kolb is signed only through next season.
QuoteIf the team decides to extend McNabb's deal beyond next season, then it is possible Kevin Kolb never will get a chance to be the Eagles' starting quarterback.
Please extend him. Please please please.
That sentence was like music to my ears.
you and me both.
i figured mcnabb was as good as gone after this season. however, if they only give him a deal that carries him to say 2011 or 2012, then it's still a joke imo because that's basically putting jackson/maclin/mccoy in the beginning of their primes for kolb/new franchise qb.
Even if they get a deal done that goes through 2015, McNabb could still be gone by 2012.
to clarify, if the eagles don't give him a deal that will carry him beyond 2012, then it's still sending the message that he's just breaking in someone else's future weapons.
but, having him for a few more years is still better than him being gone after this year. not to mention that it at least gives them more time to find another qb besides kolb. i have absolutely no reason to not like the guy, but i can't stand him and have absolutely no faith in his ability to develop into a franchise-type qb.
I don't know if this has been posted yet, but it looks interesting:
QuoteAs the season rolls along, the McNabb-O-Meter 2010 will attempt to chart the likelihood Donovan will either stay or leave. Mostly that will hinge on his performance on the field, whether he is able to stay healthy, and how deep into the playoffs the Eagles go, but the poll begins with the news that he is not expected to receive a long term offer from the Birds.
http://www.the700level.com/2009/06/mcnabbometer-2010.html (http://www.the700level.com/2009/06/mcnabbometer-2010.html)
in 07 he was gone after they went 8-8 and had drafted cobb
last year he played his last down in the baltimore game
excuse me if i dont pay attention to the mcnabb o meter because the meter had him gone a long time ago
IIRC correctly, you were one of the one's railing for him to go. True?
Only if it's a white quarterback. Who's mind IGY can read at all times and he can, in fact, know if the guy is a bitch or not.
Quote from: Father Demon on June 05, 2009, 12:36:07 AM
IIRC correctly, you were one of the one's railing for him to go. True?
yeah ive been ready for him to be gone...but not for cobb
whats that have to do with the mcnabb o meter tho?
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 05, 2009, 12:15:44 PM
Quote from: Father Demon on June 05, 2009, 12:36:07 AM
IIRC correctly, you were one of the one's railing for him to go. True?
yeah ive been ready for him to be gone...but not for cobb
whats that have to do with the mcnabb o meter tho?
Nothing. I misread your post in my hops-induced haze.
Carry on.
not surprising, but FWIW
Quote
A source has told CSN's Derrick Gunn that McNabb and the organization are close to restructuring the final two years of the quarterback's current contract. A deal could be completed in the near future.
Under his current deal, the 11th-year veteran is scheduled to earn $9.2 million this season and $10 million in 2010. The two sides had been discussing an extension before agreeing to focus on reworking the two years remaining on his current deal.
thank goodness. i can sleep now.
i'm still kind of in shock that the eagles are trying to do right by mcnabb. it tells me that either the eagles (a) aren't the cold, heartless organization i have them pegged to be, or (b), that they have no confidence in kevin kobb yet.
i wonder which one it is.
I'm more surprised that McNabb was appeased by their half-assed efforts to improve the offense.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on June 11, 2009, 09:15:59 AM
i'm still kind of in shock that the eagles are trying to do right by mcnabb. it tells me that either the eagles (a) aren't the cold, heartless organization i have them pegged to be, or (b), that they have no confidence in kevin kobb yet.
i wonder which one it is.
a) they realize that Sheldon Brown is not the one that got them to 5 NFC championship games and a SB, McNabb was and is rightfully deserving
b) they have no confidence in Kevin Kobb yet
all of the above
Quote from: Sgt PSN on June 11, 2009, 09:15:59 AM
i'm still kind of in shock that the eagles are trying to do right by mcnabb. it tells me that either the eagles (a) aren't the cold, heartless organization i have them pegged to be, or (b), that they have no confidence in kevin kobb yet.
a) Who is donovan mcnabb?
b) Where am I?
done deal...2 years
Details?
ESPN's Michael Smith reports the deal is worth $24.5 million.
McNabb wasn't extended, he will receive a $5.3 million raise with another $1 million in incentives
Quote from: reese125 on June 12, 2009, 12:00:31 AM
ESPN's Michael Smith reports the deal is worth $24.5 million.
McNabb wasn't extended, he will receive a $5.3 million raise with another $1 million in incentives
like he really needs a paltry $5+mil more...why bother. He should give the money to Sheldon to shut him up.
So they restructured a contract with time remaining on it? Wait - I thought they never did that!
cobb must be a really promising player
even more proof how high they are on Cobb:
CSNSportsnite reported that the Eagles wanted more than anything to do an extension. But the 2 sides weren't in agreement. The Eagles didn't want any hard feelings on either side going into the season, so both sides agreed to just work on 2009 and 2010.
the eagles just threw a nasty ass curve ball on this one. they gave a player who is over 30, with prior knee injuries, who is still under contract, a pay raise on the remainder of his contract but didn't extend him? this goes against everything the fo has stood for over the better part of a decade.
his position negates all that reasoning....the quarterback position and rightly so should be looked at thru a different pair of glasses...this only seems weird because reid has only ever had one qb and this is the first time this scenario has come up in his tenure
This speaks to the importants of having a pro-bowl caliber QB. You just don't let them go. I don't think it means they don't like Kolb. Its just McNabb is the QB unless hurt. And rightfully so!
cobb sucks....thats pretty much a fact from everything ive seen from him and from the way the club has gone about business with their qb's
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 12, 2009, 11:09:38 AM
cobb sucks....thats pretty much a fact from everything ive seen from him and from the way the club has gone about business with their qb's
Everything you've seen? What is that one quarter at the end of game with no practice reps against one of the elite D's in the league. I think its really not enough to judge Kolb on. And def not enough to say he sucks.
lol yea hes terrific, so good in fact that the team that never even blinks when a veteran asks for more money easily restructured their veteran, oft-injured qbs contract to insure hell start for two more years.
two years of training camp + preseason
MDS is suckling at IGY's balls so much now that he's stopped using apostrophes. Time to cut the cord.
Kolb has played very well in training camp and preseason games. But none of those matter. It is how he plays in regular season games which hopefully we don't have to fine out until McNabb's Career is over.
its about the same it always was you chain smoking bostonian
You should be a professional writer. You're such a wordsmith.
Quote from: EaglesChad on June 12, 2009, 11:28:42 AM
Kolb has played very well in training camp and preseason games. But none of those matter.
maybe you caught him on a good day at camp...i havent seen all his practices obviously...but ive seen 10 or so and he was bad in all of them...in fact i havent heard from anyone whose seen him in camp that was impressed
preseason ill just assume you havent watched the games because hes been bad
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 12, 2009, 10:01:09 AM
his position negates all that reasoning....the quarterback position and rightly so should be looked at thru a different pair of glasses...this only seems weird because reid has only ever had one qb and this is the first time this scenario has come up in his tenure
you're dead on and i agree completely. i'm just suprised that the eagles aren't looking at this in black and white like they do with everything else. kudos to them for handling a football and business decision the right way.
Quote from: EaglesChad on June 12, 2009, 11:13:26 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 12, 2009, 11:09:38 AM
cobb sucks....thats pretty much a fact from everything ive seen from him and from the way the club has gone about business with their qb's
Everything you've seen? What is that one quarter at the end of game with no practice reps against one of the elite D's in the league. I think its really not enough to judge Kolb on. And def not enough to say he sucks.
his face is stupid and i don't like him.
Quote from: rjs246 on June 12, 2009, 11:35:56 AM
You should be a professional writer. You're such a wordsmith.
well thank you sir
Is this guy defending Kolb?
:-D :-D :-D
Cobb sucks.
Carry on.
I think it's "Kobb."
Carry on.
I think he looks like Johnny Knoxville and throws like Steve-O on meth.
What the Eagle's future might look like with Kobb starting at QB:
(http://www.bestradioyouhaveneverheard.com/images/hind300.jpg)
The continued deliberate misspelling of Kolb's name is really awesome.
i think you're giving everyone that misspells his name too much credit.
Quote from: NC_Eagle on June 14, 2009, 10:06:27 AM
What the Eagle's Andy Reid's future might look like with Cobb starting at QB:
(http://www.bestradioyouhaveneverheard.com/images/hind300.jpg)
better than Cobb and DMac...
(http://zeppelinlyrics.com/Led_Zeppelin_I.gif)
Quote from: Rome on June 14, 2009, 10:57:14 AM
The continued deliberate misspelling of Kolb's name is really awesome.
I bid on a Greg Kobb signed football at a fundraiser at my H.S. I asked the guy who Greg Kobb was, he told me he was a qb for the eagles. No one else bid so I wasted 5$ for it to put it in my boys room.
Cataldi writes sports articles for the free train paper, The Metro, who published this gem today regarding McNabb's extension. I'd cut & paste it, but the page won't let me.
McNabb Deal Defines Insanity (http://www.metro.us/us/article/2009/06/16/05/0155-82/index.xml)
While McNabb has disappointed, I still don't get the irrational hate that many fans have for him. I still remember his first year starting and hearing more than once in public from people who were on the Ricky Williams taint train, "That n***** will never get us to a championship". I think some fans despite some of his successes (yes, I know there's no SB) are more concerned about being right regarding their hatred for him, than they care about the success of the team. Here's a situation where the FO goes against the "cheap" label but now all the manipulator of the Philly sports fan has to say is that it was mispent.
He also tossed in this irrational nugget:
QuoteIf McNabb earned a raise by playing so well, why didn't Terrell Owens get the same consideration when he performed so brilliantly with a broken leg in the Super Bowl four years ago?
Unfortunately, Kolb doesn't seem to be the answer, so for now, McNabb is the best chance the Eagles until they find a true successor in the next 2 years.
The voice of the Philly sports fan?
Um, no.
farg you cataldi and farg the Metro for making him the VOICE of all of us.
And then they wonder why people outside of the area think most Philly fans are dumb as dirt.
he's the voice of CT. Go farg yourself Angelo.
i was interning at the metro when they brought cataldi on. when i hinted that he was a douche and a fraud, they looked at me like i was smoking meth.
mcnabbs problem is that hes just bad enough to hate but not quite good enough to love
Quote from: MDS on June 16, 2009, 01:36:39 PM
i was interning at the metro when they brought cataldi on. when i hinted that he was a douche and a fraud, they looked at me like i was smoking meth.
Did you explain to them your drug-free living room policy?
at the time that wasnt the case. it was 3 years ago. but on a good note my one former roommate improved from being a pothead to a heroin addict in the year i lived with him, so there.
I'm sure you sold it to him at a discount.
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 16, 2009, 01:38:29 PM
mcnabbs problem is that hes just bad enough to hate but not quite good enough to love
That's about right, I'd put my opinion there. I like him but I'm not going to go out and buy his lunchbox. My like for him is right below that of the Hair Bear Bunch when I was a kid.
(http://tbn1.google.com/images?q=tbn:DVbB80ADxeFIRM:http://i20.ebayimg.com/01/i/001/45/35/d103_1.JPG)
weed = gateway drug
Quote from: MDS on June 16, 2009, 01:36:39 PM
i was interning at the metro when they brought cataldi on. when i hinted that he was a douche and a fraud, they looked at me like i was smoking meth.
I didn't know you could smoke meth ::)
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 16, 2009, 01:42:36 PM
weed = gateway drug
to be fair he was snorting up pills and doin a little coke before he got into heroin. also im pretty sure he stole about 100 bucks from me. good times.
id steal 100 bucks from you sober and not feel even a little bit bad about it
why such hate
Quote from: fansince61 on June 16, 2009, 01:44:17 PM
Quote from: MDS on June 16, 2009, 01:36:39 PM
i was interning at the metro when they brought cataldi on. when i hinted that he was a douche and a fraud, they looked at me like i was smoking meth.
I didn't know you could smoke meth ::)
Are you being sarcastic or something or are you totally ignorant about the drug?
Quote from: methdeez on June 16, 2009, 03:33:33 PM
Quote from: fansince61 on June 16, 2009, 01:44:17 PM
Quote from: MDS on June 16, 2009, 01:36:39 PM
i was interning at the metro when they brought cataldi on. when i hinted that he was a douche and a fraud, they looked at me like i was smoking meth.
I didn't know you could smoke meth ::)
Are you being sarcastic or something or are you totally ignorant about the drug?
its best not to question 61 posts...just roll with them
but if youre going to question that one id inquire about the pg's cause i dont get their purpose at all in that post
Quote from: PhillyGirl on June 16, 2009, 01:30:35 PM
The voice of the Philly sports fan?
Um, no.
farg you cataldi and farg the Metro for making him the VOICE of all of us.
And then they wonder why people outside of the area think most Philly fans are dumb as dirt.
This board did it for me
Quote from: Tomahawk on June 17, 2009, 10:39:45 AM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on June 16, 2009, 01:30:35 PM
The voice of the Philly sports fan?
Um, no.
farg you cataldi and farg the Metro for making him the VOICE of all of us.
And then they wonder why people outside of the area think most Philly fans are dumb as dirt.
This board did it for me
And here I thought it was the time you hung out with MURP and me. :-D
from soup to pancakes (http://www.sportsbusinessjournal.com/article/62907)
QuoteIHOP creative agency VitroRobertson shot two separate ads last week in Los Angeles using one of the NFL's premier receivers, Larry Fitzgerald of the Arizona Cardinals, and one of the league's top quarterbacks, the Philadelphia Eagles' Donovan McNabb.
Both ads are set in IHOPs with the athlete in uniform. Fitzgerald's ad shows off his All-Pro receiving skills with a variety of restaurant items, while McNabb is "sacked" by an overzealous IHOP waitress. The ads are scheduled to start in August. The media schedule could not be determined.
I miss iHop...I hate that there are none in the area anymore. The one by the old Echelon Mall was the best.
It still stands, with boarded windows and weeds all over it. Looking like the "5 years...after people" show. LOL
Quote from: BigEd76 on June 30, 2009, 11:23:59 AM
from soup to pancakes (http://www.sportsbusinessjournal.com/article/62907)
QuoteIHOP creative agency VitroRobertson shot two separate ads last week in Los Angeles using one of the NFL's premier receivers, Larry Fitzgerald of the Arizona Cardinals, and one of the league's top quarterbacks, the Philadelphia Eagles' Donovan McNabb.
Both ads are set in IHOPs with the athlete in uniform. Fitzgerald's ad shows off his All-Pro receiving skills with a variety of restaurant items, while McNabb is "sacked" by an overzealous IHOP waitress. The ads are scheduled to start in August. The media schedule could not be determined.
What a fatass.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on June 30, 2009, 01:26:01 PMI miss iHop...I hate that there are none in the area anymore.
Cherry Hill has one if it's late and you're not in the mood for White Castle
Quote from: PhillyGirl on June 30, 2009, 01:26:01 PM
I miss iHop...I hate that there are none in the area anymore. The one by the old Echelon Mall was the best.
It still stands, with boarded windows and weeds all over it. Looking like the "5 years...after people" show. LOL
Quote from: BigEd76 on June 30, 2009, 01:45:56 PM
Cherry Hill has one
not computing
was just saying there's one right outside the Cherry Hill Mall on Church Rd
im not saying youre wrong but within five minutes of each other you both said completely opposite things...adding to the bizzarness is the fact that i believe pg lives in cherry hill
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 30, 2009, 03:09:00 PM
im not saying youre wrong but within five minutes of each other you both said completely opposite things...adding to the bizzarness is the fact that i believe pg lives in cherry hill
Cherry Hill/Church Road is too far to go for iHop. I don't live in Cherry Hill.
may be farther than you wanna go but theres still ihops in the area
theres an ihop on 611 in jenkintown and one on city ave so eat away, fatasses
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 30, 2009, 03:29:49 PM
may be farther than you wanna go but theres still ihops in the area
barely. There used to be a few of them.
Ha - the IHOP is still there in Jenkintown? We lived on Leedom Street when I was a kid and used to walk there for breakfast on Sundays.
Tears up...
now that donnie mac is endorsing food again, does this mean he's going to balloon up like he did with chunky's?
Quote from: Sgt PSN on June 30, 2009, 04:33:21 PM
now that donnie mac is endorsing food again, does this mean he's going to balloon up like he did with chunky's?
the real question is ihop more or less vomit inducing than chunkys soup
more
Quote from: Rome on June 30, 2009, 04:33:11 PM
Tears up...
What does your butthole have to do with this conversation? We already know how easily it tears.
IHOP is terrible and you are all lower-class for eating there.
yeah, Waffle House totally owns IHOP
Elitist Waffle House liberal pinko ivy league educated flag.
Quote from: methdeez on June 30, 2009, 07:20:53 PM
IHOP is terrible and you are all lower-class for eating there.
how can coffee and pancakes be terrible?
I love me some Waffle House. Too bad I've only been in a car near one twice in my life.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on June 30, 2009, 11:39:22 PM
Quote from: methdeez on June 30, 2009, 07:20:53 PM
IHOP is terrible and you are all lower-class for eating there.
how can coffee and pancakes be terrible?
I love me some Waffle House. Too bad I've only been in a car near one twice in my life.
Come to Florida. There's one every three exits here.
Quote from: General_Failure on June 30, 2009, 08:15:22 PM
Elitist Waffle House liberal pinko ivy league educated flag.
lol
(http://pic.leech.it/i/f28ef/bf9068d4img00551.jpg)
QuoteDonovan, please be careful. The good folks at Deadspin acquired a nice, PG photo of him at a topless pool in Las Vegas this past weekend. Oh, and there happened to be one or two or three porn stars hanging out. At a topless pool?? Get! out! While it doesn't seem remotely like anything funny was going on (other than hanging out at a topless pool in Vegas with porn stars), the bottom line is that the Eagles QB let his guard down long enough for this photo to be snapped. The adult actress Jayden James (I've got a feeling that's not her birth name, but it's just a hunch) writes in her blog about her meeting with Donovan and there certainly doesn't seem to be anything criminal or adulterous going on here. But, Donovan has to be more careful. Those that read this site regularly know that my background is in PR, and from that point of view, I certainly winced when I saw this picture.
McNabb has been very good in his 11-year career about keeping this kind of silly, Matt Leinart-type nonsense from surfacing. If he wants to hang out at a topless pool with adult film stars, I certainly would not blame him. I personally (I don't think my fiancee Lindsey still cares about the sports writing that I do and hence will not read this) would like to know which hotel in Vegas this is and I'd like to investigate this whole "topless pool" thing a little closer. That said, I can't imagine my little lady being too excited if she saw a picture of me like this on Facebook or something. Sure, she'd be excited that I was in much better shape than she'd ever remembered, but not that I was hanging out with porn stars at a topless pool. Unless I had called her before and told her where I was going. Wait......no, not really. Still doubt that'd she'd be cool with that. So yeah, I've got no problem with whatever Donovan wants to do in his personal life, but he needs to make sure that stuff like this doesn't get out. It just looks bad and will only provide more fuel to his critics. Fans and media in Philly don't need anything extra to lambaste McNabb about, so he should be careful not to serve up criticism on a silver platter."]Donovan, please be careful.
From G "TMZ" Cobb
is that donovans own personal lewinsky?
Wow, I now have a certian new found respect for Mr. Milquetoast...I mean McNabb. Hangin' with Jayden James at a topless pool? Fargin' Aaee man.
I don't know if it was just me but last night as well as earlier this week, but watching McNabb with the press there seems to be something different about him. He seems to have an edge, I kind of like it. I don't know if that translates to the field, hopefully it does.
(http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2009/0817/mlb_g_williams_300.jpg)
First the Mormon stuff... Now the Amish? WTF?
jebodiah mcnabb?
I saw that...excellent picture. LOL
If that's not shopped it's a winner!
this will almost assuredly makes j's head explode
philly magazines exit interview this month was with bernard hopkins and the last question was:
Q: what non boxer would you like to knock out
A: donovan mcnabb
lol
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on August 14, 2009, 10:32:10 AM
I don't know if it was just me but last night as well as earlier this week, but watching McNabb with the press there seems to be something different about him. He seems to have an edge, I kind of like it. I don't know if that translates to the field, hopefully it does.
Hey, it didn't.
Bernard Hopkins runs his mouth against mcnabb? No way I'm shocked!
There's a missing comma there that matters.
cue passive aggressive response in 3...2....
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 09, 2009, 12:01:57 PM
He does need to be re-signed.
He's 32 and he has 4-5 more good years left.
lol i love J
Thanks for the love.
I can't wait to debate his HOF worthiness with you.
He's not hof worthy. He brings it home in 2004 and he is
Even then, it would be HIGHLY questionable.
I don't think there's much doubt that he's going into the HOF. Def not 1st ballot but I feel pretty strongly that he'll get in. Pretty much everyone outside of Philly is sympathetic towards him. You know, from being booed on draft day and playing in front of fans who never appreciated him and all that.
what?!?!
he has absoluetly ZERO chance of making the HOF
and it has nothing to do with hating him...which i do....hes just not even close to a hall of famer
Career wise, I think he's on par with Jim Kelly. And like I said, the entire NFL world outside of Philly thinks he's great...fans, media, everyone. Do I think he should go in? Probably not. But I absolutely think he'll eventually get in. Hopefully as a Viking.
McNabb, Dilfer, Tebow, and both Hassellbecks will all get in. In the same year.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on March 09, 2013, 09:44:19 PM
Career wise, I think he's on par with Jim Kelly. And like I said, the entire NFL world outside of Philly thinks he's great...fans, media, everyone. Do I think he should go in? Probably not. But I absolutely think he'll eventually get in. Hopefully as a Viking.
trust me he has less than a zero chance to get in the NFL HOF
as for jim kelly thats laughable...he would have thrown for 4000 yards every single season of his career if he played in the bedwetters era...plus mcnabb threw the ball a lot more
kelly also made four superbowls
mcnabb was horrible in nfc championship games and was the reason his team lost the only superbowl he made
a better comparison to mcnabb would be boomer eaisison or however the hell you spell his name
Haha. Boomer is def a more favorable comparison, I'll give ya that. Good call. I still think he makes it in on sympathy votes though.
I just don't see it.
Because you're thinking sensibly. Smack your head into a wall a few times and you'll see it.
I mean at his very best, he was good. But at his worst, he was awful. And that's even taking the passive aggressive personality and choking out of the equation. What he never was: consistently great over his total body of work.
And I don't even have an axe to grind. I mean he just doesn't fit the bill.
even having this discussion is giving him to much credit....im not even hyperbolizing....he has ZERO chance to make it....he just doesnt
we all need to stop it
I seen I've worked igy up into a frothy bedwetter diatribe.
you didnt do it
this did....
Quote from: Sgt PSN on March 09, 2013, 09:31:02 PM
I don't think there's much doubt that he's going into the HOF.
Sarge must have meant the Eagles HOF. I think he makes that one.
Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, and Drew Brees are your shoo-in HOF QBs. Eli Manning and Ben Roethlisburger have decent chances due to multiple Super Bowl wins for beloved franchises.
Those are the McNabb draft era (98-04) guys. The first three played for many years like beings from another planet, McNabb never did. The second two are winners, McNabb never was.
McNabb will never be enshrined in the same hall as those guys, and doesn't deserve to be. Hell, Randall has a better claim to the HOF for innovating the position. If there was a Hall of Boomer Esiason and Steve McNair and Phil Simms, that would be the place for McNabb.
Sarge must have been drinking. igy is right. Zero chance.
McNabb in the HOF? This discussion makes the all-time stupid list. Well done, ladies.
Quote from: Diomedes on March 10, 2013, 07:36:01 AM
Sarge must have been drinking.
I actually was, but not enough to claim drunk posting. I don't know why, I just have this feeling that voters are going to feel sorry for the guy.
Has a player ever gotten into the hof based on sympathy votes? I doubt he becomes the first. He wins the sb in 2004 and his legendary spot in Philly is cemented meaning he would get hof consideration. Still don't know if that would give him enough of a push but its something people would start his hof candidacy resume with.
This place gets dumber by the farging day.
what is this, the 3rd grade? people are going to feel sorry for donovan and put him in? jesus christ
my sympathy vote would go to dirty waters
rip
Quote from: Sgt PSN on March 10, 2013, 01:06:29 PM
I actually was, but not enough to claim drunk posting. I don't know why, I just have this feeling that voters are going to feel sorry for the guy.
So he's going to be booed into the Hall of Fame?
Quote from: QB Eagles on March 10, 2013, 03:34:04 AM
Sarge must have meant Phreak's HOF. I think he makes that one.
Quote from: hbionic on March 10, 2013, 01:38:47 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on March 10, 2013, 01:06:29 PM
I actually was, but not enough to claim drunk posting. I don't know why, I just have this feeling that voters are going to feel sorry for the guy.
So he's going to be booed into the Hall of Fame?
Hahaha....I never even thought of that. Could you imagine a guy (any guy) getting booed as his name is announced? Like if Bonds or Clemens get in the BBHOF, it's pretty much a given that a significant amount of people in the crowd would boo, right?
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/john-cena-gets-under-philly-skin-donovan-mcnabb-151409882--nfl.html
Quote from: Sgt PSN on March 30, 2013, 01:57:22 PM
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/john-cena-gets-under-philly-skin-donovan-mcnabb-151409882--nfl.html
QuotePoor Donovan McNabb. One of the greatest athletes in Philadelphia history, he'll be forever tainted in the City of Brotherly Love by his failure to win a Super Bowl.
Not winning the SB isn't the reason he'll be forever tainted in Philly. It's because he still acts like a whiney bitch. Lots of Philly fans still love Jaws and it's rare to find those with disdain.
Agreed although if he wins the big one he can act like a whiney bitch all he wants because no one would boo him.
Igs would
I think the corniness he displayed over his final 2 seasons would have trumped a SB. They would have been 5 years removed from the SB by the time McNabb danced his way through the tunnel in Dallas and threw out his "we showed our youth today" comment. SB or not, I think he probably gets blasted either way.
I don't know...a SB win would buy A LOT of good will. That said, his self-important, whiny personality really started to overshadow his football accomplishments. The more he talks, the harder he is to like.
It's hard to say, but I think that if everything remains the same after the SB (had they won it....and who knows if that would have been the case?) that by then end of 2009 most fans wouldn't care about a 5yr old SB trophy and would be back on his ass again. I mean, the guy was just absolutely awful (personality wise) during his last 2 years in Philly and his play in the back-to-back games in Dallas at the end of 2009 were basically the 2 worst games of his career and he pretty much shrugged it off and threw the blame on everyone but himself. You just can't do that, especially when those losses come against Dallas.
hes despicable and has been that way since spring of 2004
a superbowl would have brought out a ferocious "i told you so" personality on top of the im a HOF qb that no one appreciates that currently exists
I didn't even take into account how much the douche factor would escalate had they won that SB. Excellent point though.
yeah he 100% would have been a sore winner
Had he ever won a superbowl, McNabb would have skipped around the field, riding the trophy like a hobby horse while smacking his own ass.
False. He clearly would have done that while poorly moonwalking.
what happens if he won one early in his career...back when they had their best teams like 01 or 02
before all the nfccg failures that helped turn him into a bitter, corny douche that resented everyone?
Quote from: General_Failure on April 01, 2013, 01:15:12 PM
Had he ever won a superbowl, McNabb would have skipped around the field, riding the trophy like a hobby horse while smacking his own ass.
Not that there's anything wrong with that. Especially with a nice pair of chaps.
Then he could take the congratulatory phone call from the President just like he did on the Giants sideline.
If he didn't lose the SB, even if he was just able to get a tie, I think he would have been loved in philly.
Quote from: Eagaholic on April 01, 2013, 03:02:19 PM
If he didn't lose the SB, even if he was just able to get a tie
Huh?
You know, one of those cool SB ties you wear with a suit.
There are ties in the superbowl, but not regular season games. Don't you know any of the rules?
Quote from: Sgt PSN on April 01, 2013, 03:48:48 PM
Quote from: Eagaholic on April 01, 2013, 03:02:19 PM
If he didn't lose the SB, even if he was just able to get a tie
Huh?
I was referring to that quote from Donovan about not knowing tie games went to overtime. You can find it in a greatest hits collection entitled "Homage to Number 5," with John Facenda as the voice of Donovan McNabb.
I don't remember McNabb not knowing tie games went to OT. I remember him not knowing that games could end in a tie though.
i was unfortunately at that game
Quote from: Sgt PSN on April 01, 2013, 04:33:44 PM
I don't remember McNabb not knowing tie games went to OT. I remember him not knowing that games could end in a tie though.
Yeah, that was it. Guess that's why I'm not an NFL QB (but I can still drill the ball into the turf at ten paces though)
he didnt know there were ties but he threw a hail mary with 5 seconds left
he said it to deflect criticism from the loss ("it wasnt my fault, who knew the game ended before i could win it?"). it didnt work.
Nothing makes mds and igy harder than some McNabb ripping.
Wanna bang Kate Upton or rip McNabb?
Rip McNabb fap fap fap.
The obvious answer is to paint McNabb's face on her butt and rip them both up.
remember when he got traded to dc on easter and his dad compared him to jesus
this is what we were dealing with. someone brought up in an environment where he was a god and could never ever do anything wrong. yada yada yada no superbowls.
So he grew up in an Italian family?
no he grew up an only child raised by a babying control freak
Well that rules out any kind of Catholics.
He's not an only child
fapfapfap
from the start he was the only child that mattered
or else hes just the most self centered person on earth
Every last one of you would have kissed his ass at Broad & Pattison if he had won a Super Bowl, so stop your goddamn nonsense.
probably...but he didnt and it was never going to happen
then again id kiss brad goebels ass for a title
Quote from: Rome on April 01, 2013, 07:42:40 PM
Every last one of you would have kissed his ass at Broad & Pattison if he had won a Super Bowl, so stop your goddamn nonsense.
not a chance in hell
i dont whore myself out for titles and my affection does not have a price tag on it
lol so you'd be in the corner giving him the gas face eh?
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 01, 2013, 07:51:24 PM
Quote from: Rome on April 01, 2013, 07:42:40 PM
Every last one of you would have kissed his ass at Broad & Pattison if he had won a Super Bowl, so stop your goddamn nonsense.
not a chance in hell
i dont whore myself out for titles and my affection does not have a price tag on it
this is the mount everest of internet bullshtein.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 01, 2013, 07:53:55 PM
lol so you'd be in the corner giving him the gas face eh?
i dont hate him cause he didnt win a title i hate him because hes a delusional bedwetting cornball
i cant stand victorino and he won a world series with the phils...not a big heidi fan either...just because your team wins it all doesnt mean you have to like all the players on the team
buddy ryan never won a playoff game and he is literally a god....the buddy eagles are legend...so are the mid 80's flyers...and allen iverson
titles or the lack thereof and love for individual players are mutually exclusive
I think how we would remember McNabb if he won a SB would largely be influenced by how he played. If he had a shtein the bed Roethlisberger performance v Seattle I could see a lot of people still hating him. If he was strap he team on his back MVP then no, most fans would be very forgiving, especially after he finally left the team.
It's still possible hate a championship player though. I always hated pete rose, still do. I was thrilled he had that catch out of Bob Boone's glove but after the WS I still couldn't stand him. Maybe it as a little different because he had been on a rival team first, but he'd still be an icehole in my book.
Speaking of that catch, it got me to thinking of great Philles moments. None are more iconic to me than McGraw jumping off the mound. Here is a nice clip of him talking of it. When I saw it on youtube there was a great bacon commercial on before it with a girl in a bacon bra, hope it is still there.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qxkxdimxZE
I think everyone is kind of right in this thread. If McNabb sacked up for one Super Bowl and carried the team on his back to a victory, he'd be appreciated in Philly today, but probably not loved. Also igy and a minority of other fans would still dislike him intensely.
Also I wouldn't criticize igy over it. Having guys you like and guys you hate no matter what is a perfectly valid approach to sports. I don't think he used the phrase "mutually exclusive" in a valid way though.
Quote from: QB Eagles on April 01, 2013, 09:46:01 PM
If McNabb sacked up for one Super Bowl and carried the team on his back to a victory, he'd be appreciated in Philly today, but probably not loved.
This probably says it better than any of us have so far. Fans would def appreciate the trophy, but he'd still never be able to win over the majority and eventually they'd still get sick of his shtein.
Quote from: Rome on April 01, 2013, 07:57:35 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 01, 2013, 07:51:24 PM
Quote from: Rome on April 01, 2013, 07:42:40 PM
Every last one of you would have kissed his ass at Broad & Pattison if he had won a Super Bowl, so stop your goddamn nonsense.
not a chance in hell
i dont whore myself out for titles and my affection does not have a price tag on it
this is the mount everest of internet bullshtein.
:-D :-D :-D
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-draft/0ap2000000166935/Will-Barkley-make-an-impact-with-the-Eagles
Here's something for Havas and Todd to stroke each other to. I laughed at the end because there was no babies close by for me to punch.
i dont know if im more mad at you for posting that or me for watching it....either way im physically ill right now...my god him cockily saying that the eagles are going to be retiring his number soon is bng my meatcicle into a wall annoying
oh and hes still as uncomfotably unfunny as it gets
im not if its donovan or roger ailes but one of them is the worst person ever
QuoteAccording to Paul Donowitch on Twitter, Donovan McNabb will retire as an Eagle this season and it looks like it will happen when Andy Reid and the Chiefs come to town.
Awesome.
Syracuse is retiring 5 too.
On a side note - if either is booed the offenders should be shamed.
anyone want my ticket?
frankly even if he gets a 30 minute standing ovation it wont be enough for him
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 13, 2013, 08:24:57 PM
Syracuse is retiring 5 too.
the eagles are retiring his number?.....or hes just retiring as a player
No word on them retiring 5 here...but they should in a couple years.
I wish I could be there for that game
i will either be on the concourse if its at halftime or the parking lot if its pre game....i will not watch a debacle like that....at least its not his number tho
I hope it's halftime and all the exits are clogged up so you're forced to watch. Or bury your head in your hands.
Want me to send you a McNabb jersey? I'm your boy ill hook you up
Bam!!
Quote@johnclarknbc10: Donovan McNabb confirmed today he will have # retired by Eagles in Sept. what will your reaction be?
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 13, 2013, 08:42:42 PM
Want me to send you a McNabb jersey? I'm your boy ill hook you up
doesnt sound to me like you want to stay my boy
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 13, 2013, 08:42:42 PM
I hope it's halftime and all the exits are clogged up so you're forced to watch. Or bury your head in your hands.
youd rather me booooo him?.....or puke on someone in front of me
If you vomit on someone you'd make national news as the second Philly vomiter. Bad for biz
Andy and Donovan back on the same day? I didn't know they were doing a Mediocrity Appreciation Day.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 13, 2013, 08:45:50 PM
Bam!!
Quote@johnclarknbc10: Donovan McNabb confirmed today he will have # retired by Eagles in Sept. what will your reaction be?
I'm not buying it. Seems likely that either John Clark is misinterpreting the news, or Donovan himself doesn't know the difference between a ceremonial retirement and having his number retired.
Quote from: QB Eagles on May 13, 2013, 08:59:11 PM
I'm not buying it. Seems likely that either John Clark is misinterpreting the news, or Donovan himself doesn't know the difference between a ceremonial retirement and having his number retired.
he probably thinks they are also announcing his election into the nfl HOF that night as well....or at least he thinks they should
no matter what is happening that night andy and donovan being recognized as great all time eagles says more about the pathetic history of the franchise than does about either one of them
Sadly, I will not be in attendance.
Tesla show instead.
ill go if they play a highlight video of all his nfccg/sb interceptions
Eagles fans booed him on his first day and his last.
Perfect.
Quote from: MDS on May 13, 2013, 09:48:55 PM
ill go if they play a highlight video of all his nfccg/sb interceptions
They could invite Rhonde Barber and hold a joint retirement.
Quote from: Rome on May 13, 2013, 10:11:04 PM
Eagles fans booed him on his first day and his last.
Perfect.
And every day in between. Philly.
QuoteConklin Joe
McNabb announces he's coming back to Philly and plans to retire as an icehole
Quote from: Sgt PSN on May 13, 2013, 10:16:28 PM
Quote from: Rome on May 13, 2013, 10:11:04 PM
Eagles fans booed him on his first day and his last.
Perfect.
And every day in between. Philly.
he never ever got one break or one cheer ever in his time in philly
from day 1 to the end it was booing and people being mean. MEANIES.
poor donny!
Quote from: SD on May 13, 2013, 11:02:41 PM
QuoteConklin Joe
McNabb announces he's coming back to Philly and plans to retire as an icehole
lol
Retiring as an Eagle, I get. I would hope that it would be quick and that he wouldn't talk much, if at all...because that's always infuriating. If two people boo, and the rest cheer, he'll only hear the boos and we'll hear about that until the end of time. So, basically, we'll hear about that forever.
The retiring the number thing I don't get, and if for some reason that were to happen, I think it's too soon at the very least.
there wont be any boos.....he got a standing ovation of 97% cheers when he came back as a member of a division rival
now hes retiring as an eagle....no one hates him more than me and i wont even boo....i just wont watch it....and thats what youll see a lot of....apathy versus boos
Of course people will boo. They'll be drowned out by people cheering, but to think that some Philly fans won't boo McNabb is stupid. We boo shtein just because it's funny to boo and we like the attention it gives us whether we want to admit it or not. At the 2002(?) playoff game I went to at the Vet fans boo'ed the halftime show where a ten year old threw frisbees to his dog. The overpowering emotion that you invest in this team and all sports is not normal nor does it describe most of the people who will be in attendance. Most people will remember McNabb in generally positive terms or just not care but some will remember him puking and dancing and whining and they will boo. I would boo. I'm booing right now.
I'm not a natural boo-er, but even I might let out a little boo, especially if the number thing is true. If I'd even consider it, there's no doubt that the happy boo-ers will sound off. It won't be the majority, but it would be a vocal minority...and you know that's what he'll hear...because that's what he's show that he hears. He'd probably even hear it if it doesn't exist. But it will.
he was the taterskins quarterback and i didnt hear a single boo...i heard on the radio the next day some people calling in and hearing a smattering of boos around them which is why i put 97%
but now hes retiring as an eagle...i again expect not to hear a boo....and for that 97% to be at or near 100
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivk4vuT_7Ig
He's proven to have pretty selective ears.
Deep down he wanted to be boo'd at that game so he can pull his woe is me act.
I believe that. He strikes me as one of those guys who isn't happy unless he's not happy.
yeah obviously he would do that if the opportunity arises...always has
i just dont think theres gonna be any boos to give him that chance
Eagles fans are expected to boo so the ones that would normally boo will cheer just to say farg you. I'll cheer for the guy because he gave us some great years. I wish we had gotten the 99-2004 Donovan for his entire time here. The TO situation farged him up whether he wants to admit it or not.
Quote from: SD on May 14, 2013, 09:36:48 AM
Eagles fans are expected to boo so the ones that would normally boo will cheer just to say farg you.
also a lot of the ones youd expect to boo dont go to games anymore....most of the hardcore boo'ers will be at home watching that game
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 14, 2013, 09:45:15 AM
Quote from: SD on May 14, 2013, 09:36:48 AM
Eagles fans are expected to boo so the ones that would normally boo will cheer just to say farg you.
also a lot of the ones youd expect to boo dont go to games anymore....most of the hardcore boo'ers will be at home watching that game
This is true
We've replaced Jerry from Fishtown with Dave the solar panel and wind turbine lover. When Dave goes Green, everybody wins!
shtein i think more people hate him now than before
if you watch tv or read the internet you become even more embarrassed and angry at the guy the more years away from the franchise---especially when the franchise isnt doing well. if the eagles were still winning playoff games or made it to the superbowl when he left I would say the crowd wouldnt boo---but the eagles suck now and hearing his name brings back memories of not winning shtein.
oh they will boo
I agree ^^
His "I'm the most scrutinized QB" quote is the epitome of his post NFL career as a commentator. He's a perfect personality for the NFLN which is a horrible network.
if it werent for mike mayock i wouldt get near that channel
bedwetter been doing that stuff and worse since way before he went to the skins and he didnt get booed coming back in their jersey which was at the height of donovan hate
now he hasnt been on the eagles for three and a half years and is retiring as a bird
even the biggest haters like me arent going to boo him on this kind of occasion
the taterskins game was THE opportune time to rip him and no one did....hes back with andy for a celebration and now hes gonna get booed?.....i dont see it and would be shocked if either took heat
If they do retire his number, will anyone really give a shtein that the number is gone? I completely understand the irrational hate of McNabb being honored in any way, but it isn't very likely that some day we'll be talking about some great prospect the Eagles drafted being upset that he'll have to switch numbers from the 5 he wore in college.
How many numbers are off limits now?
At some point, you run out if you keep de-commissioning them.
15, 20, 44, 60, 70, 92 & 99
If he air-guitars his way out onto mid-field I hope someone shoots him in the dick.
Quote from: Diomedes on May 14, 2013, 02:55:25 PM
How many numbers are off limits now?
At some point, you run out if you keep de-commissioning them.
This is why I'm against retiring numbers. Maybe nobody wears the retired numbers for 20 years but eventually you're going to run out.
Retiring jersey numbers contributes to man-made global warming.
Science.
I like it but you can't get too crazy with them. Be selective.
Donovan deserves it.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 14, 2013, 06:54:00 PM
I like it but you can't get too crazy with them. Be selective.
Donovan deserves it.
12 should be retired before 5 is
Quote from: SD on May 14, 2013, 07:05:35 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 14, 2013, 06:54:00 PM
I like it but you can't get too crazy with them. Be selective.
Donovan deserves it.
12 should be retired before 5 is
This. Don't care much about the incessant McNabb-bashing, but Cunningham should be retired before McNabb is even considered.
12 is unofficially retired. Lurie has ordered it not to be given out without Randall's permission. It was given out once to Travis Brown back in the day...Lurie saw it and ordered it shelved.
When they signed Steve Smith he wanted it and Randall said he couldn't have it. He told a radio show he would not ok it even for a million bucks.
If you don't win a Super Bowl you really shouldn't have your jersey retired unless you're a once in a generation player. McNabb wasn't even remotely close to that, so no retiring that number. If they want to unofficially retire it, that's fine. 5 is a zesty number anyway.
my suggestions:
5 should go to brad wing
numbers of players who played before 1962 should be unretired
Right, the numbers of players who were good enough to win championships should be unretired.
lol Brad Wing yeah ok.
McNabb was the QB who led this team out of the doldrums and was a contender for quite a few years. Superbowl or no superbowl what he did and the numbers he out up cannot be denied. People can try to diminish what he did but when they try it makes no sense.
Unfunny humor, air guitar, perceived slights...none of that has anything to do with his skill level as a QB and what he did for the Eagles.
Him and the defense were all they had until 2004. Anyone care to dispute that?
Being the best player on an above average team doesn't make you great. He's not Brady or Manning. Either Manning.
solar panels and wind turbines
Quote from: General_Failure on May 14, 2013, 08:17:02 PM
Being the best player on an above average team doesn't make you great. He's not Brady or Manning. Either Manning.
No he's not. But again, that doesn't mean he was poor or even average. He was a very good QB within the league and great for several years.
So put him in the hall of very good with Trent Dilfer.
Trent Dilfer isn't even in that hall.
He's in the hall of right place right time
A hall Donovan can't even get directions to.
you dont need more than one player number retired from the era of coming up short
dawk is the all time great eagle that gets his number retired...he was a way better player than the bedwetter and is beloved not despised
20....thats it....thats the list
Quote from: SD on May 14, 2013, 12:52:59 PM
I agree ^^
His "I'm the most scrutinized QB" quote is the epitome of his post NFL career as a commentator. He's a perfect personality for the NFLN which is a horrible network.
Sure is. I was so psyched when Time Warner finally signed the deal with NFL Network last year and we were finally going to get it. Not impressed at all. Other than Mayock and Casserly their talking heads suck.
Quote from: SD on May 14, 2013, 09:51:31 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 14, 2013, 09:45:15 AM
Quote from: SD on May 14, 2013, 09:36:48 AM
Eagles fans are expected to boo so the ones that would normally boo will cheer just to say farg you.
also a lot of the ones youd expect to boo dont go to games anymore....most of the hardcore boo'ers will be at home watching that game
This is true
We've replaced Jerry from Fishtown with Dave the solar panel and wind turbine lover. When Dave goes Green, everybody wins!
lol, that's gold.
But when you need a good recommendation for a way over priced organic micro brew from Whole Foods and Dave says farg you, you'll have nobody to blame but yourself.
Agree with other posts - what is it with NFLN? They seem to go out of their way to get the biggest buffoons and idiots possible, from the little I've watched. Micheal Irvin, Dieieoeion Sanders, Sapp. I haven't watched Matt Millen for more than a couple of microseconds there, but he's still gotta be a complete fool, right? Why haven't they gone all out and hired away Merrill Hodge from ESPN? Seem like it should be destiny. He and Irvin in The Final Battle of the Retardest Suits.
But on the other hand yes, Mayock's mocks rock.
Take NFL Films, decide you're going to use it to run a cable channel, and then put an idiot in charge who can't go twenty minutes without shteinting all over Ed Sabol's grave until Steve Sabol finally dies of shame. That's how you get the NFL Network.
True. They would implode if you made a rule they couldn't use a number in the title of their content i.e. The Ten most... The top 100 blah blah... The 50 Greatest Whatevers...
It is a Sal Pal level of lazy/easy/least common denominator fast food programming crap. Which I have to admit is fine once in a while, but a steady diet of it, peppered with their stellar "personalities" leads to an early grave. In all honesty, I'm thinking the era of greatness of the NFL is passing us by, even as we watch now.
Quote from: General_Failure on May 15, 2013, 01:53:28 AM
Take NFL Films, decide you're going to use it to run a cable channel, and then put an idiot in charge who can't go twenty minutes without shteinting all over Ed Sabol's grave until Steve Sabol finally dies of shame. That's how you get the NFL Network.
basically...the entire channel is top 10 lists and studio shows with hucksters yamming it up and smiling all bojangley.
on a separate note donovan is a disgrace to humanity but im honestly just so over him like 99 percent of the fan base. that youtube vid from a few years back said it all. he comes back and the reaction is polite applause. hes the greatest qb in the history of this loser town and at best he gets a very loud golf clap upon his return.
what a legacy
:-D
Worse is Donovan's mom makes Campbell Soup's hall of fame over Donny.
Dear Donovan,
You are the most overrated piece of shtein in the history of the world. You spent your whole career feeling bad for yourself and because the media has such a hard on for black qb's that can speak english you will forever be considered a martyr. In my eyes you are and always will be a heartless pu$$y.
Sincerely,
Chameleon.
https://twitter.com/donovanjmcnabb/status/347068347076182018
QuoteFanSince09@FanSince097h
.@donovanjmcnabb You don't know anything about winning so of course you ask this.
HA!
i feel like he posts this stuff on purpose so he can pout at all the negative tweets that come at him
not a day goes by that donovan doesnt get worse and worse as a human being. not a god damn farging day.
Quote"A fool can give you advice not to be a fool."
"If McNabb is giving him the right advice, I'd say, "Help him not to become you by giving him that advice," which McNabb might be doing."
"I'm McNabb: I had an opportunity to play for the NFL. I conned my way through, like I was somebody I wasn't. I had a great commercial with my mother saying Chunky Soup. But it got blown because I became chunky soup and I didn't show during the clutch times of the Philadelphia era that I played in. I blew it. I blew it. I'm letting you understand, RG III, don't choke every time."
"You know what I would advise him? To run from McNabb. Run. Run. And press charges... this is an assault on this man. Run, and if he continue to stalk you, call the police station whatever town you in and a file a report."
bhop laying down the truth yet again on 5
yeah that was all over wip last week....this is particularly great...
Quote from: MDS on June 24, 2013, 01:38:53 PM
"You know what I would advise him? To run from McNabb. Run. Run. And press charges... this is an assault on this man. Run, and if he continue to stalk you, call the police station whatever town you in and a file a report."
His obsession, like that of Havas and Todd, is unhealthy.
Let it go.
It's the only way that dope stays in the news back home. No one gives a shtein that he's fighting bums.
you dont really like the bedwetter more than bhop do you?
its already been established that he does
for that the us government should take the traitor charges against snowden and place them on J. he shouldnt even be allowed back in philly.
I liked BHop before he started this obsession with hating McNabb. He's worse than Angelo and the only reason he does it is to keep his name in the news.
Leave it to Jay to hate the one guy who's actually a born & bred Philly champion in favor of a Hoyda mama's boy flag from Chicago.
You sicken me, Sir. Sicken!
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 24, 2013, 06:10:05 PM
the only reason he does it is to keep his name in the news.
You could just as well be talking about Don constantly repeating idiocies about RGIII.
yeah how could bhop besmirch the good name of donovan f mcnabb.
it stands for so much good, like winning regular season games over detroit and....other things
Donovan hosts a radio show. He talks about stuff.
Hopkins is just trying to catch a headline.
so because 5 hosts a radio show hes allowed to say dumb things but because hopkins doesnt he isnt?
Donovan says dumb shtein all the time. But him being on the radio means he's speaking on different things. He's always said dumb shtein.
Hopkins has an unhealthy obsession with Donovan McNabb. He rips him three years later like 5 farged his old lady or something. Move on, Bernard. Go pick whatever tomato can you're going to fight and focus on that.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 24, 2013, 09:52:51 PM
Hopkins, igy and MDS has an unhealthy obsession with Donovan McNabb. He rips him three years later like 5 farged his old lady or something. Move on, Bernard. Go pick whatever tomato can you're going to fight and focus on that.
.
i was getting belligerent at the bar on saturday talking about 5
i hate him more than anything...ill admit it goes past the point of normalcy. but even if you like 5 or dont mind him to chose bhop over him is the definition of philly sacrilege.
I could not care less about boxing. It died when Mike Tyson went up the river for raping that girl.
Don't really care about McNabb at this point, either. He's not on the team, and I've long stopped listening to talk shows of any type - political, topic or sports.
Some just need to let it go.
ill let it go when i get back the 10 years of my life wasted watching someone who thought going 8-8 was a good season
it was the ultimate cock tease watching don. enough talent but not enough willpower. when push came to shove he just didnt care more than the guy on the other side of the field.
You really should think about suicide.
that would really solve a lot of problems, but then i wouldnt get to see how breaking bad ends
Quote from: Rome on June 24, 2013, 06:14:55 PM
Leave it to Jay to hate the one guy who's actually a born & bred Philly champion in favor of a Hoyda mama's boy flag from Chicago.
You sicken me, Sir. Sicken!
If I knew how to send candy crush invites to people...I'd shoot about 52 of them to you, pal!
Quote from: MDS on June 24, 2013, 10:13:59 PM
ill let it go when i get back the 10 years of my life wasted watching someone who thought going 8-8 was a good season
it was the ultimate cock tease watching don. enough talent but not enough willpower. when push came to shove he just didnt care more than the guy on the other side of the field.
Blah blah blah.
Yeah he sucked. Wish we would've had Ty Detmer or Mike McMahon.
I think you mean Koy Detmer.
You wish!
Got any King Koybra left over?
I enjoyed most of McNabb's tenure in Philadelphia (until the last 2-3). He was good... not great, but good. And the Eagles were in the mix every year. Yeah, it tore my heart out every NFCCG loss, and especially the Chunky Soup Bowl, but it sure as hell beat the years of Kotite. Or Campbell. Or Kuharich (that's for you, Don Ho!).
We may be pining for McNabb-type results in the next half-decade or so.
I don't know. If Andy keeps his job in Kansas City for a while still making dumb Andy mistakes then schadenfreude is going to keep me going.
ScootinFruity.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 24, 2013, 11:12:12 PM
Quote from: MDS on June 24, 2013, 10:13:59 PM
ill let it go when i get back the 10 years of my life wasted watching someone who thought going 8-8 was a good season
it was the ultimate cock tease watching don. enough talent but not enough willpower. when push came to shove he just didnt care more than the guy on the other side of the field.
Blah blah blah.
Yeah he sucked. Wish we would've had Ty Detmer or Mike McMahon.
i do, i wish they would have drafted akili smith
that way they bottom out and can try again in finding a good qb. the alternative was what we lived through. that sure worked out.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on June 24, 2013, 11:20:03 PM
We may be pining for McNabb-type results in the next half-decade or so.
well if the other three nfc east teams all implode....while the eagles get a really good defense and an average qb you will have your wish
im not gonna lie don's moronic twitter is bringing me back in
im circling the wagons. what are your thoughts on it being july? is this a good month?
Quote from: Geowhizzer on June 24, 2013, 11:20:03 PM
I enjoyed most of McNabb's tenure in Philadelphia (until the last 2-3). He was good... not great, but good. And the Eagles were in the mix every year. Yeah, it tore my heart out every NFCCG loss, and especially the Chunky Soup Bowl, but it sure as hell beat the years of Kotite. Or Campbell. Or Kuharich (that's for you, Don Ho!).
We may be pining for McNabb-type results in the next half-decade or so.
Don't forget the wonderful years under Khayat and McCormack. Special times!
Quote from: Don Ho on July 01, 2013, 05:02:52 PM
Quote from: Geowhizzer on June 24, 2013, 11:20:03 PM
I enjoyed most of McNabb's tenure in Philadelphia (until the last 2-3). He was good... not great, but good. And the Eagles were in the mix every year. Yeah, it tore my heart out every NFCCG loss, and especially the Chunky Soup Bowl, but it sure as hell beat the years of Kotite. Or Campbell. Or Kuharich (that's for you, Don Ho!).
We may be pining for McNabb-type results in the next half-decade or so.
Don't forget the wonderful years under Khayat and McCormack.
Or Bert Bell, Don.
I hope the season kills this thread. Kill it dead.
this man will haunt us for the rest of our lives
the thread will die when Big Brother and hence :CF does too
Such is life of an Eagles fan. Haunted by a piss the pants quarterback and a nut job driven message board.
Quote"When you look at just the numbers overall, you have to think about 12,000 yards and being the youngest quarterback to reach this feat and also the things he's been able to accomplish, you know you begin to question this.... Is he worth top 5 money? I would have to say no. And I say that because it's about wins and losses..... What has he really done for the Detroit Lions? Nothing."
My irony detector just exploded.
I forget which article I read it on but the author finishes with, "it's not like Stafford was handed the keys to the 1999 Philadelphia Eagles". :-D
pretty cool stat by Stafford---he's 1-23 against teams with a winning % of .500 and above.
go lions.
Quote from: hbionic on July 10, 2013, 07:44:00 PM
I forget which article I read it on but the author finishes with, "it's not like Stafford was handed the keys to the 1999 Philadelphia Eagles". :-D
Imagine what Safford would have done with the receiving corps of Charles Johnson, Na Brown, Torrance Small and Luther Broughton. Boggles the mind.
nfccg/sb losses
mcnabb 5
stafford 0
just when you think it cant get any worse
http://www.phillymag.com/articles/donovan-mcnabb-looks-back-eagles/
my blood boiled no less than 10 times reading this. and i only read it because i like to torture myself (which is the same reason i still watch these pos philly teams).
The Thome comments were borderline hysterical. I doubt Thome was ever booed by a single Phillies fan in his time here. Of all people to lie about he picks the one guy who was the baseball version of Jesus during his time in Philly.
I sincerely hope this guy just goes away and never ever returns.
Oh Thome was definitely booed. I was all over that when it happened on several occasions.
Yeah, he was booed when he sucked and he's on record as saying he deserved it. He never once let it affect his play. On the contrary, actually.
Donovan McFaggybitch took anything less than pagan idolatry as an insult to his character.
forget whether he was actually booed or not....schmidt was booed....big deal
the bigger issue here is the bedwetter once again putting another mans name in his mouth when he shouldn't.....even if thome told the bedwetter that and I don't believe he did....theres no farging way hed want mcnabb to bring that conversation up on record in a daily news piece....wtf?
he is a farging despicable delusional pos....basically hes trying to find a player the city actually loves and say see you farging hooligans even the great jim thome hates you
the thing that floored me was him, 2 seconds after semi-apologizing for losing the sb, brings up how he threw for 380whatever yards and how its the 4th most ever in a super bowl.
like....i just dont even know. i dont. i dont know what people want me to do. how can i NOT hate him? how. its not possible. its just not.
Would it be possible to all agree to not talk about this man?
He is like a really bad ex-gf, lets all just agree to not acknowledge his existence. I'm not clicking that link. The person that this conversation is revolved around is dead to me. Life is better without some people. The man is question is one of these people.
MDS is the one that can't seem to take DMac's dick out of his mouth. Tell him.
As soon as that looney did that shtein against the glass at the Cowgirl's stadium, that was it for me.
the bedwetters come back to bernard hopkins eviscerating him for the last ten years is to say that the reason bhop bringS up his name is to make his fights relevant
what!??!?
Quote from: Rome on July 24, 2013, 08:35:13 PM
The Thome comments were borderline hysterical.
Did I miss something? Because I didn't see a single reference to Jim Thome in that entire article. I'm not a subscriber, so maybe I'm only getting part of the article or something. I also didn't see anything about Rush Limbaugh, as the lead in suggests.
All he had to do was shut up and go away for awhile. That's all he had to do to. I usually go out of my way to give people the benefit of the doubt, but McNabb is such a whiny, narcissistic, sensitive, pain in the ass that I can't stand it.
He clearly takes no responsibility for any shortcomings and can't handle criticism of any kind, by any one. That's the exact opposite of someone that Philly would truly embrace.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on July 25, 2013, 08:23:25 AM
Quote from: Rome on July 24, 2013, 08:35:13 PM
The Thome comments were borderline hysterical.
Did I miss something? Because I didn't see a single reference to Jim Thome in that entire article. I'm not a subscriber, so maybe I'm only getting part of the article or something. I also didn't see anything about Rush Limbaugh, as the lead in suggests.
yeah same here--where were the thome comments?
i bet you dawkins doesnt even like him
there are two different interviews...one with philly mag and one with domo/daily news
Quote from: Zanshin on July 25, 2013, 08:23:33 AM
All he had to do was shut up and go away for awhile. That's all he had to do to. I usually go out of my way to give people the benefit of the doubt, but McNabb is such a whiny, narcissistic, sensitive, pain in the ass that I can't stand it.
He clearly takes no responsibility for any shortcomings and can't handle criticism of any kind, by any one. That's the exact opposite of someone that Philly would truly embrace.
Except for PhillyPhreak
i stopped reading after the second sentence when it said he was wearing sandals.
what a douche.
wip is absolute gold today....just a complete scorched earth campaign on the bedwetter by the callers....i didnt think there was a chance hed get booed while being honored and while i still dont think it happens i now leave open the possibility
He's basically willing it into existence.
if this isnt classic bedwetter then i dont know what is...amazing
QuoteQ. Did any teams contact you last year about playing for them?
"In July, as training camp got closer last year, I started thinking, you know what, this might be it. I had been training just in case, but I decided it wouldn't be a bad move if I just retired.
"I didn't want to be in a position where you make the decision [to quit] and then you're second-guessing yourself. I had to make sure. It was probably around Aug. 1 that I decided."
not so thinly veiled im in the same class as brady and manning comment...lololol @ "so it was going to be a big payday"
Quote"We ended up losing the Dallas game, then lost to them again the next week in the playoffs. I sat down with my wife and said, this might be it here. I was going into the last year of my deal. Kevin [Kolb] was going into the last year of his deal. I said, they have to make a decision. Plus, my contract was up at the same time as Peyton's [Manning] and Tom's [Brady]. So it was going to be a big payday. Were they going to be willing to pay that again?"
can even leave andy....his only friend in the world....unscathed...
pooooooooooor bedwetter was left alone without anyone coming to his defense (even tho andy "would get in front of me and say 'i have to do a better job')....passive aggressive bedwetter at his best
QuoteQ. You and Andy were together for 11 years. That's longer than most marriages. What was your relationship like with him during those 11 years?
"I respected Andy for the way he handled a lot of situations that we all were a part of. He was always a guy that would get in front of me or the team and say, 'I have to do a better job.' Given that my next job was in Washington where the guy would never say that, I appreciated it.
"I respected him for taking a chance on me with the second pick in the draft. We battled back and forth a lot. I felt a lot of times I was left out there without anybody coming to my defense in a lot of situations. If it was him or Joe [Banner] or Jeffrey [Lurie], they felt like I could handle it, that I could diffuse the issue. But I felt like I was just hanging out there myself a lot.
"But overall, it was good. You look at all the coach-quarterback combos in NFL history and what we were able to do, it's impressive."
Read more at http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/20130725_Questions_and_Answers_with_McNabb.html#huetleLMElIsJsY4.99
lol
QuoteQ. Andy's going to be there on Sept. 19 for your retirement ceremony and when you're honored at halftime. What's your current relationship with him?
"We're in a good place. I've moved on."
The obsession level towards hating McNabb and picking apart everything he says is unhealthy.
You and Todd need to seek help. Angelo and Rhea too.
Loser
Edit... Donovan not Phreak. :)
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on July 25, 2013, 12:44:27 PM
The obsession level towards hating McNabb and picking apart everything he says is unhealthy.
You and Todd need to seek help. Angelo and Rhea too.
seriously? this is insane shtein going on and you think people are unhealthy for talking about it?
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 25, 2013, 11:17:17 AM
wip is absolute gold today....just a complete scorched earth campaign on the bedwetter by the callers....i didnt think there was a chance hed get booed while being honored and while i still dont think it happens i now leave open the possibility
Quote from: Zanshin on July 25, 2013, 11:18:31 AM
He's basically willing it into existence.
He's doing his best to. How perfectly circular the actions that scarred him the most when he began his career will be the same as when his number is retired or whatever
Quote from: SunMo on July 25, 2013, 01:33:25 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on July 25, 2013, 12:44:27 PM
The obsession level towards hating McNabb and picking apart everything he says is unhealthy.
You and Todd need to seek help. Angelo and Rhea too.
seriously? this is insane shtein going on and you think people are unhealthy for talking about it?
exactly
if he just went away...off to chicago back to mama's house and popped his head out for 1-2 things a year it would be fine. but here is he is, ranting off in interviews acting like a bigger douche than he acted like when he was on the team.
could i not read it? sure. but i did. we all did. and its enraging, infuriating douchebaggery from a pathetic loser passive aggressive choking dog of a qb who wasted chance after chance for 12 years to get this god awful sports city a super bowl. farg him to death how can anyone not despise him.
i just thought of him as a harmless douchey loser clown for a long time now. but now's he's definitely creeping into can't stand him territory.
Quote from: SunMo on July 25, 2013, 01:33:25 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on July 25, 2013, 12:44:27 PM
The obsession level towards hating McNabb and picking apart everything he says is unhealthy.
You and Todd need to seek help. Angelo and Rhea too.
seriously? this is insane shtein going on and you think people are unhealthy for talking about it?
Phreak has a pathological boner for 5.
his best shot now for any relevance is to be the "star" the town hated. Consciously or not, inciting Philly to boo him lustily at retirement game gives him perfect video "bookends" (draft and retirement) in support of his job-like self image.
He and the media will flog it forever both for rcard and fan iceholery right along with Santa in sports fan mythology. Booing Andy will be bonus for the reel.
Quote from: SunMo on July 25, 2013, 01:33:25 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on July 25, 2013, 12:44:27 PM
The obsession level towards hating McNabb and picking apart everything he says is unhealthy.
You and Todd need to seek help. Angelo and Rhea too.
seriously? this is insane shtein going on and you think people are unhealthy for talking about it?
this x1million
Donovan loves the negative attention, he keeps himself relevant and still gets to play the woah is me act. I just read the entire interview, what a loser.
Quote from: phattymatty on July 25, 2013, 02:17:08 PM
i just thought of him as a harmless douchey loser clown for a long time now. but now's he's definitely creeping into can't stand him territory.
this exactly. every time i see his face i want to punch a hole in it. sniveling victim. farg him.
See the thing is I know he says and has done dumb shtein. I've never said that he didn't and recognized when he stunk and played bad.
However I believe he's been piled onto for so long by dopes like Angelo, Rhea and Hopkins that its become an unhealthy obsession.
He was this franchises best QB ever. However he was never accepted from day one and it bugs the shtein out of me.
The everlasting Donovan obsession is indeed unhealthy. Yes he didn't win. Yeah he's been a goofball and a passive aggressive ass at times...but his career was very good. My defense of him is centered around the farging clowns who insisted that he was some schmuck QB and should've been cast aside for Jeff Garcia and any other QB since he walked into town.
my hatred of him goes like this....
his play on the field - 1%
his hideous personality - 119%
in fact my hatred of him began in the spring of 2004 and never stopped...it preceeded his only great season...it was a healthy hate while he was qb'ing the team to a superbowl....right now is actually extra sweet for me because of the incredible amount of shtein I took back then for hating him
yeah phreak but hes a pusy, and philadelphia cant stand whining weak pusy's who need a hug.
i mean if he was a cool dude, made you laugh here and there, made you listen when he talks football kept to himself--it might be a different story. complete opposite. he brings this shtein all on himself which in turn makes people not want to give him that credit you talk about.
no educated normal person thinks they were better off with feely or koy or something
though it is fair to point out that the team played considerably better with garcia than with 5. j if youre gonna suckle him because a few choice idiots think hes terrible then i dont know.
hes an awful person with an awful personality who got off on being hated. was his talent superior? yes. did he fail to come through in big games? yes. but if he wasnt such a douche everyone would be over that by now.
I have an idea. Photoshop here I come.
(http://i1284.photobucket.com/albums/a568/escrowspal/BarrackPiss_zps7cdb5618.jpg) (http://s1284.photobucket.com/user/escrowspal/media/BarrackPiss_zps7cdb5618.jpg.html)
I'm no expert, but that may be the wrong black guy.
they all look the same
McNabb is a secret Muslim? Who knew?
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/07/24/mcnabb-truly-wouldnt-care-if-fans-boo-him-at-retirement-ceremony/
QuoteMcNabb "truly wouldn't care" if fans boo him at retirement ceremony
Posted by Mike Florio on July 24, 2013, 7:51 PM EDT
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When Donovan McNabb made his first appearance at Lincoln Financial Field as a member of an opposing team, Eagles fans didn't boo him. When he makes his first appearance there as a member of no team, Eagles fans may boo him.
Especially since McNabb has essentially invited them to boo when he officially retires as a member of the Eagles at halftme of the same September 19 Thursday night game that will welcome former Philly coach Andy Reid back to town, as head coach of the Chiefs.
"I truly wouldn't care [if they boo]," McNabb tells Paul Domowitch of the Philadelphia Daily News. "To me, it's an appreciation for the people who truly respected what I did. I've always lived by the motto that you can't please everyone. So, for me, if I get booed, it wouldn't be anything new. If they cheer, that would be great. Obviously I'll be out there with my family and the teammates I played with. If there are any boos, I will smile."
McNabb said that, throughout his career in Philly, he tried to ignore the criticism.
"Flying out here, I stopped in Chicago to visit my family," McNabb said. "I ran into [former Phillie] Jim Thome in the airport. We were talking about playing in Philly. He asked me how I dealt with it because he said it was really hard for him. I said I just let it run right down my back. I never let it bother me. I told him I loved the game too much to let it affect what I was doing. All the time I put in preparing, I didn't let it bother me."
McNabb thinks some fans feel he failed because he wasn't able to deliver a championship.
"I thought they were true fans who loved the Eagles and loved the game of football," McNabb said of the folks in Philly. "Opinionated, for sure. But they loved their teams. They just want to see winners. And over the years, we gave them that. But after a while, the wins didn't become enough. It became all about winning the Super Bowl, which was understandable. That was the same attitude we went in with as players after we won the NFC Championship [in '04]. We felt we needed to win a Super Bowl. And that didn't happen.''
Reuben Frank of CSNPhilly.com had a strong reaction to McNabb's comments, pointing out that Donovan "has a persecution complex and it's gotten worse and worse the longer he's been away from here."
Frank thinks that McNabb would have been cheered if he'd waited five years to return, and if he had avoided saying things to rile up the fan base.
"He just needs to shut up," Frank said. "I'm sick of this. . . . Donovan needs to just stop talking."
It's unknown whether Donovan will be booed on September 19. But it's highly unlikely that he'll heed Frank's advice.
I heard that roob interview live this morning on gods station....I couldn't believe how hard he went on him....other than phillyphreak5 he was easily the bedwetters biggest defender over the years
just yesterday he was riding for 5 on twitter...no matter what my boy j sees the donovan party dwindling down
its just him, sam, wilma, wilbon and chad lewis
oh shtein....forgot about wilb5n
Die
Yeah he needs to zip it.
woahhhhhhhh
trouble in paradi5e....who is left on the donnywagon now if J is jumping off?
If I go to that game, I'm cheering my ass off for him. Not because he deserves it, but because he wants to be booo'd so bad so he can continue his woe is me campaign.
i wont boo because I don't want to be seen as jumping on some sort of bandwagon and look like im booing just to boo cause its the philly thing to do
but ill want to
god how farged up is it that he will probably leave exactly the way he came in- getting booed.
not good for the mind.
It's not just the fact he's a Hoyda and a choker, it's also he's so indignant about it. I mean boo hoo fans booed you when you sucked. They also cheered you when you played well. And those same fans made you a multimillionaire so quit your sniveling.
It could never be arranged, but how funny would it be if the stadium was just silent?
I would advocate that anyone who goes give a golf clap. Don't feed into this drama queen by booing.
Quote from: QB Eagles on July 27, 2013, 09:45:33 AM
It could never be arranged, but how funny would it be if the stadium was just silent?
I would advocate that anyone who goes give a golf clap. Don't feed into this drama queen by booing.
yeah that would be perfect
the thing about the booing that never gets enough attention is the fact that he was NOT booed at the draft.....they were booing the non pick of ricky Williams....if the bedwetter wasn't such a mamas woe is me boy he would acknowledge this
Not going to happen. The victim mentality is now ingrained in his DNA.
bedwetter is going to be at practice tomorrow for alumni day
Anyone at the game should just shun him Amish-style.
Absolute silence with 70,000 or whatever fans just turning their backs on McNabb would speak louder than a chorus of boos.
He's retiring as an Eagle at a PC tomorrow. Brace yourself for more bitchy passive-aggressive comments.
I hope B Hop is in attendance so it's awkward
Quote from: SD on July 28, 2013, 09:46:32 AM
I hope B Hop is in attendance so it's awkward
BHop annoys me sometimes, but if he disrupts the PC Clubber Lang style, he'd cement himself as the GOAT.
If Hopkins tried pulling a stunt like that Donny would kick the shtein out of him.
bedwetter got a big cheer at practice today
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 28, 2013, 01:20:38 PM
bedwetter got a big cheer at practice today
Someone should ask him this question:
Hey Donovan, you seem to hold a lot of animosity towards Eagles fans, but every time you make a public appearance either as an Eagle or with the rival taterskins, you get cheered...how do you explain it?
the less chances anyone gives him to talk about himself the better we all will be
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/30/mcnabb-im-the-most-unfairly-criticized-quarterback-in-nfl-history/
QuoteIt started with McNabb criticizing Tim Tebow and First Take provocateur Skip Bayless stepping in to say Tebow receives more criticism than he deserves.
"Tim Tebow," Bayless said, "is the most unfairly, over-criticized quarterback in the history of this league."
With that, McNabb interjected, "Negative — I am."
"I am," McNabb continued. "Nobody has been criticized as much as I have."
Nothing he's ever did or said has gotten under my skin as much as this^^^^ His tone when he said it set me over the edge. Like a big pouty baby.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on July 28, 2013, 12:30:01 PM
Quote from: SD on July 28, 2013, 09:46:32 AM
I hope B Hop is in attendance so it's awkward
BHop annoys me sometimes, but if he disrupts the PC Clubber Lang style, he'd cement himself as the GOAT.
Ha
Hey woman....hey woman.....
Quote from: SD on July 28, 2013, 02:31:46 PM
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/30/mcnabb-im-the-most-unfairly-criticized-quarterback-in-nfl-history/
QuoteIt started with McNabb criticizing Tim Tebow and First Take provocateur Skip Bayless stepping in to say Tebow receives more criticism than he deserves.
"Tim Tebow," Bayless said, "is the most unfairly, over-criticized quarterback in the history of this league."
With that, McNabb interjected, "Negative — I am."
"I am," McNabb continued. "Nobody has been criticized as much as I have."
Nothing he's ever did or said has gotten under my skin as much as this^^^^ His tone when he said it set me over the edge. Like a big pouty baby.
yeah thats as bad as it gets
he wears like a badge of honor...its sickening. and its not even remotely true.
Someone should ask 5 if he's been criticized more than Jackie Robinson. After all, look how beloved Jackie Robinson is compared to McNabb.
But Jackie was never really a victim of black on black crime like Donnie was, so...
I'm trying to decide whether to watch his presser.
Brian Dawkins really hated McNabb... (http://www.csnphilly.com/football-philadelphia-eagles/eagles-days-dawk-saw-mcnabb-was-special)
You tricked me! >:(
Quote from: Rome on July 29, 2013, 05:21:16 PM
I'm trying to decide whether to watch his presser.
I recommend it. It's a celebration of a winning era of this team that we might not ever see again. I kinda zoned out during McNabb's speech, but it didn't sound too douchey. No dancing or anything like that. I laughed that he mentioned Max Jean-Gilles by name, but not a single receiver or tight end that he threw worm burners at.
The highlight was hearing Dawk say that he watches old game tapes to get himself amped up during workouts. Dawk is truly a psychopath. Love that guy.
I watched it. Although I had to fight the urge to puke a couple of times (no pun intended) it really wasn't too terrible. Lots of genuine emotion from McDouche.
Now go away.
i watched two minutes of it and had to turn it off.....guy is such a fraud
I caught the highlights on sportsrise...my favorite part was when he said "I left it all out on the field and never complained"...except for the fans and when he said they showed their youth today etc.
all he did was complain and pass blame.....for god sakes hes complained about being booed at the draft for 14 effin years....even tho he knows in his heart unless ricky williams' name was called there boos were gonna rain down
Is saying they showed their youth really complaining?
No.
yeah that probably falls more under the category of tossin your teammates under the bus than it does complaining
Which means he was complaining about his teammates not being old enough, right?
good point
lol if Peyton Manning says that, or Brady, he's said to be a leader. Just telling it like it is.
Donovan says it and here comes the hater brigade
brady or peyton would never do that period much less after a game their team lost and they played terrible in...what they do is go directly to the player...whereas the bedwetter puts a towel over his head and sulks on the bench....or remember the time he kept walking back n forth on the sideline trying to get away from TO....what a pathetic scene that was....he was like "i want my mommy make it stop"
whats even worse about it is that the bedwetter went after the most vulnerable people on his own team....the young players...pretty unbelievable when you think about it....then again he was never a leader which is why half his own team took the side of a psychopathic moron in the bw/TO war
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on July 30, 2013, 12:56:47 PM
lol if Peyton Manning says that, or Brady, he's said to be a leader. Just telling it like it is.
Donovan says it and here comes the hater brigade
Do you honestly believe that McNabb, overall, isn't thinner-skinned and far more passive aggressive than either of those guys? Let alone that it's silly to put him in with them, because they're surefire Hall of Famers, and he's more Hall of Above Average.
I'm not even a hater, but that's reality.
Peyton or Brady would never make that comment to begin with, especially coming off a game where either of them played like absolute shtein. Here's the problem with that comment.
1. McNabb threw an INT. Was youth the problem?
2. Leonard Weaver lost a fumble. Was youth the problem?
3. Vick lost a fumble. Was youth the problem?
4. McNabb lost a fumble. Was youth the problem?
5. The average age of that Eagles team was 27 years old.
6. The only "youth" on that offense were Maclin (rook), Jackson (2nd yr), Shady (2nd yr), and Celek (2nd yr) and he was obviously calling those 4 guys out with that comment.
Rather than just saying something along the lines of "We sucked" he makes a comment that pushes the blame to rookies and 2nd year players while trying to absolve the (then) 10 year veteran QB of any wrong doing.
It's cool that you're still a fan, but how the farg can you actually defend it? I mean, I'm still a fan of his.......he was fun to watch for most of his career and won a lot of games for the Eagles, but I'll be damned if I'm going to try and defend him for his glaring lack of leadership and accountability.
Pretty sure McNabb called himself out for not doing a good enough job during that same press conference
Jay defending McNabb is like Albert Speer defending Hitler.
Quote from: Munson on July 30, 2013, 01:45:43 PM
Pretty sure McNabb called himself out for not doing a good enough job during that same press conference
He very well may have (I really don't remember the entire presser), but if I'm not mistaken he basically opened with the "we showed our youth" comment. He put that out there first and foremost.
I'll just say that as a football player, McNabb was did a lot of good things during his time with the team. That said, the more he talks the less fondly I remember those times, unfortunately.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on July 30, 2013, 01:53:03 PM
He very well may have, but if I'm not mistaken he basically opened with the "we showed our youth" comment. He put that out there first and foremost.
so he threw all those guys under the bus and then also said he didnt play his best?
that doesnt at all sound like the passive aggresive bedwetter i know
nm
was the we showed our youth game the same as the air guitar
week before
the reason he claims he came out with the air guitar was because the previous week everyone was saying how tight the team was due to him throwing all the young guys under the bus....so that was his way of loosening everyone up
remember they had a band? an air guitar band? grown men in their 30s had an air guitar band.
says 5
Some people sharpen their focus and some play air guitar.
if it didnt fire the team up at least it got him off to a good start right?
not exactly
at the two minute warning of the first half in that game he was 2-12 for 14 yards
Quote from: Sgt PSN on July 30, 2013, 12:02:59 PM
Which means he was complaining about his teammates not being old enough, right?
Making excuses is a form of complaining especially when we're talking about athletics.
Just thinking more about this, and I'm curious.
Of the Eagles notable modern QBs, say, Jaworski, Cunningham and McNabb, which one would you take as a franchise QB-- assuming each is in his physical prime.
I guess you could add Vick to that list, too. You'd be an idiot to pick him, but I suppose it would be an option.
Donnie Mac without a question, as douchey as he turned out to be. We had no chance without him.
I'd take Cunningham with a much better coach and offense around him. Look what he did in one year way past his prime in Minny.
Best line of the PC by McNabb was at the very end when he said like "In the decade of the 2000s, we were in the top three in winning percentage, and that's something no one can ever take away from us."
Must have been a proud moment for him, given all those years he spent growing up dreaming of the day he would lead a team to be in the top three in winning percentage.
"yeah we never won a super bowl, BUT we beat the cardinals and lions in october."
Quote from: Zanshin on July 30, 2013, 04:25:46 PM
Just thinking more about this, and I'm curious.
Of the Eagles notable modern QBs, say, Jaworski, Cunningham and McNabb, which one would you take as a franchise QB-- assuming each is in his physical prime.
I'd probably take Randall as long as I didn't have to take his o-line or Buddy with him. I'll always be curious about how good he might have been with a better o-line and better offensive coaching.
bullshtein. they rarely beat the cardinals.
Quote from: Rome on July 30, 2013, 06:40:10 PM
bullshtein. they rarely beat the cardinals.
MarTay Jenkins, anyone?
randall won a LEAGUE mvp
donovan won a best qb in the nfc east award over patrick ramsey....quincy carter and kerry collins
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 30, 2013, 06:43:45 PM
randall won a LEAGUE mvp
donovan won a best qb in the nfc east award over patrick ramsey....quincy carter and kerry collins
lol
McNabb was a Hoyda but no one can argue that he was all-world in 2004.
if only the superbowl wasnt played in 2005
Quote from: Rome on July 30, 2013, 06:50:02 PM
McNabb was a Hoyda but no one can argue that he was all-world in 2004.
He was. Even when throwing to receivers not named TO, his passes seemed to be more accurate and were hitting guys in stride. Even after TO got hurt, he still played at a very high level for the last few weeks of the reg season and playoffs.
im pretty sure he didnt play in the regular season after TO went down
You're physically incapable of any sort of measured thought, aren't you?
McNabb was great in 2004. That is an indisputable fact. So stop your nonsense.
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 30, 2013, 06:56:21 PM
im pretty sure he didnt play in the regular season after TO went down
Don't know why, but I was thinking that TO got hurt around week 13, but I just double checked at it was week 15. McNabb did start the following week against St Louis on MNF (I was there with Chuggie, Thawk and the departed Father Demon, Phanatic and Phillymic), but the 1st team offense played like 1 or 2 series and was pulled. I'm pretty sure McNabb threw a td to Freddie Mitchell during the few snaps he did take that game. He did sit out the season finale completely though.
I'd take Randall - especially if he had a coach and an OL.
Randall
McNabb
Jaws
Igy's List
Randall
Jaws
Vick
Brad Goebel
Jeff Kemp
Mike McMahon
Rodney Peete
Ty Detmer
Jim McMahon
Andy Hall
Koy Detmer
AJ Feeley
Casey Weldon
Donovan McNabb
Quote from: Sgt PSN on July 30, 2013, 07:12:44 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 30, 2013, 06:56:21 PM
im pretty sure he didnt play in the regular season after TO went down
Don't know why, but I was thinking that TO got hurt around week 13, but I just double checked at it was week 15. McNabb did start the following week against St Louis on MNF (I was there with Chuggie, Thawk and the departed Father Demon, Phanatic and Phillymic), but the 1st team offense played like 1 or 2 series and was pulled. I'm pretty sure McNabb threw a td to Freddie Mitchell during the few snaps he did take that game. He did sit out the season finale completely though.
Not only that, but I'm pretty sure I shared the bed with the only chick in the trip and obviously nothing happened.
But yeah, McNabb led an easy opening drive for a TD to Freddie as my compatriot stated. We then took over the stadium.
ill take 5 pre-2002 over anyone
once the injury/bucs choke/2003 early season collapse hit he turned into an epic douchebag and it only got worse.
All things being equal, I'd have to go: Cunningham, McNabb, Jaws. Vick would be distantly down the list, because for all of the in-his-prime flashy potential, he never sustained success anywhere and he's so feast or famine. The other guys showed they could work within a team with some consistency.
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 30, 2013, 06:43:45 PM
randall won a LEAGUE mvp
donovan won a best qb in the nfc east award over patrick ramsey....quincy carter and kerry collins
McNabb was runner up to league MVP in 2000.
ha.....he loves runner up trophys
That makes him 2nd runner up in best winning percentage during the aughts.
http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/pattisonave/Donovan-McNabb-Robert-Griffin-III-is-getting-brainwashed.html
I want to go back to liking him again. I really do. I want to be able to look back on his career and enjoy it for what it was in spite of that 1 glaring shortcoming. But I'm having a really hard time doing that when he just won't stfu and enjoy retirement.
QuoteYesterday, I wrote on how Washington quarterback Robert Griffin III was asked by GQ Magazine about Donovan McNabb, and said: "It's probably best we don't talk."
Well, McNabb clearly did not listen. In fact, he did the exact opposite. On his NBC Sports Radio show, McNabb said that Griffin has been "brainwashed."
Credit to the Washington Post's Sarah Kogod, who in the ultimate act of journalistic selflessness (a phrase I would not otherwise use to describe the subject at hand) listened to the show and transcribed McNabb's remarks. I don't think I would have been able to get all the way through them without leaving my computer to go smash some air guitars.
"I'm just trying to help him," McNabb said of Griffin. "Clearly the young generation, they think they have all the answers. He's going through a little turmoil right now, trying to make it out on the field, and it's unfortunate."
A little turmoil? Unfortunate? Yeah, that's how I'd describe the gruesome knee injury that ruined his rookie season.
And clearly, it's all the fault of "the young generation." Because McNabb was so perfect in every way.
(Okay, now I'm venturing into territory I'd rather leave to McNabb's fellow sports radio hosts.)
"But that's where we're at right now as far as these young quarterbacks who think they have all the answers," McNabb continued. "Until things start to fall apart and come down trembling on you, then you want some help."
Then came the kicker.
"I honestly think that over there in Washington, he's getting brainwashed," McNabb said. "He's getting input from whoever it may be on, 'There's no reason to talk to him, it didn't work out here.' "
Wouldn't there be a pretty good chance that the "input" from "whoever it may be" is in some way tied to Mike Shanahan? As in the same coach who coached McNabb during his disastrous tenure in Washington?
(Well, maybe it wasn't so disastrous if you're an Eagles fan. But you get my point.)
McNabb kind-of-sort-of acknowledged as much. "If they expressed their dislike when I was there, or what I used to do, so be it," he said.
I can't speak for the coaching staff, but I'm pretty sure the fans at FedEx Field did plenty of expressing dislike when McNabb's lone season in Washington ended with a 6-10 record.
McNabb attempted to finish his remarks on a positive note. Like so many of his pass attempts, though, they went awry at a key point.
"I hope the best for the young man, but the direction he's going in is really a direction he does not want," McNabb said. "He does not want to go there with me, especially when I got the last word."
Really?
Allow me to make two small suggestions.
The first is that Griffin will do just fine going there, because he's more popular - and has much more of his career left - than McNabb.
The second is that McNabb has not "got the last word." At all. And it's his fault, not Griffin's or anyone else's.
As one of my colleagues - I will leave him nameless for now, out of courtesy - said of McNabb this morning: "He needs to retire from the world."
That's a better last word than anything McNabb has come up with so far.
Lurie jumped the gun retiring 5. McNabb is becoming an embarrassment to the organization, even among fans who just casually follow the NFL. There is nothing slowing his free fall in idiocy and he can't save himself. He'll be finding himself locked into a Merril Hoge/Warren Sapp type of clown caricature to stay 'relevant'. Sad ending considering how he actually did have some very good years and helped bring pride back into Eagles football.
at least the rest of the nation is getting a dose of what this fanbase went through for years.
this quote was classic
Quote"I hope the best for the young man, but the direction he's going in is really a direction he does not want," McNabb said. "He does not want to go there with me, especially when I got the last word."
:paranoid
at this juncture not even J...the all time clubhouse leader in 5 worshiping...can defend him
right?
Quote from: MDS on August 14, 2013, 02:01:59 PM
at this juncture not even J...the all time clubhouse leader in 5 worshiping...can defend him
right?
His press conference performance was always poor, but he was still a damn good QB.
Just not a very likeable dude.
also incredibly overrated as a qb
`yea but his qbing days are over so now it's just the dbag personality left.
I was probably Phreak's deputy in the McNabb love department. But what the farg?
Shut the farg up you annoying farg. Nobody cares about what you have to say, and RGIII doesn't need your 'advice'.
Shut the farg up you farging ass.
ten days after the eagles play the team whose qb the bedwetter is trying to mentor they are going to be retiring his number
they should retire his life
5 is even ruining the good times for me and when i look back on it i really didnt have a good time watching him lose playoff games
Maybe the sooner they do it the better. They won't owe him anything after that and he can be gone for good.
mcdiva doesnt take rejection well.
lol at mcdiva
He's a commentator, I get that part. But why does every subject have to be about him. The world doesn't revolve around Donovan Mcnabb.
Because he doesn't see it that way, apparently.
mcnabb selfishly must see himself as the lone black qb that changed the position and made every correct move--he must.
he truly thinks that any other successful black qb must follow in his footsteps to be successful--and thats a god damn shame. brainwashed? take a long look in the mirror donavan--wait a minute dont---unless you want to see an ignorant fool staring at you--you farging nasily nonhumerous sap. get off the air.
Someone find this clown a tall building or some train tracks immediately.
McNabb Hates Read/Option (http://www.csnphilly.com/football-philadelphia-eagles/mcnabb-read-option-its-just-fad)
Quote"I enjoyed the West Coast offense, I enjoyed the no-huddle and two-minute drill we ran, but I'm not trying to run 90 plays in a game," he said Wednesday night after arriving in Philly.
How many plays was it before he got gassed in the Super Bowl?
what part of the 2 minute drill did he like ?
The fact it took him 5 to run it.
just noticed that donovan is on tonight's tickets.
"It's just a fad."
I almost pity the man. It's embarrassing.
Great to see the standing ovation and the crowd cheering and doing a Donovan chant.
"Number fiiiiIIIIIIiiiiiive....will always....LOVE youuuuuuuuuuUUUUUUUuuuuuu...."
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 20, 2013, 12:52:35 AM
Great to see the standing ovation and the crowd cheering and doing a Donovan chant.
It was an easier chant than "Anyone But Vick."
:-D :-D
Keep um' coming GF! I really need them tonight.
haha @ houston j trolling it up
i aint takin the bait big man
Quote from: BigEd76 on September 20, 2013, 12:53:57 AM
"Number fiiiiIIIIIIiiiiiive....will always....LOVE youuuuuuuuuuUUUUUUUuuuuuu...."
.... AND I WANT YOU TO UNDERSTAND THAT!
pointing to the rafters like he won lombardis
hand to the face embarrassing.
It's fitting that this team looked like ass and lost on a night that they celebrated mediocrity.
hearing reports that the dmac family was openly cheering for the chiefs last night.
you needed to hear a report to know that?
He had to be physically restrained from running on to the field to teabag McCoy when he was freaking out over his non-injury.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITUlxx-q2XQ
good lord
What in the farg was that? Sounded like a bad mike check.
the bedwetter likes squirters
https://deadspin.com/espn-suspends-donovan-mcnabb-eric-davis-after-nfl-netw-1821218948?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_twitter&utm_source=deadspin_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow
I mean, who doesn't ? ???
:jaybatsignal
you still on board with this garbage human??
He's trying to make ESPN great again, IGY.
Quote from: General_Failure on December 12, 2017, 11:54:11 AM
He's trying to make ESPN great again, IGY.
its not working....they replaced him with RGIII
#5 will always grope you !
He's touched a lot of people in a lot of ways over the years.
Sooo...does this mean we can un-retire his number? Never agreed with that anyway.
no gimme backs
You can't give someone else that tainted number now. Best just to burn his jersey on a big wooden T-frame.
Quote from: General_Failure on December 12, 2017, 12:24:14 PM
You can't give someone else that tainted number now. Best just to burn his jersey on a big wooden T-frame.
somebody has to squirt it out though.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 21, 2008, 02:36:55 AM
The Eagles have a stud QB and people want him run out the door.
mcnabb was run out of the league like 2 years after this comment
Quote from: MDS on December 12, 2017, 02:43:51 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 21, 2008, 02:36:55 AM
The Eagles have a stud QB and people want him run out the door.
mcnabb was run out of the league like 2 years after this comment
Ok...people, like your boy, wanted to run him out the door in his prime. Better?
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 12, 2017, 11:45:38 AM
:jaybatsignal
you still on board with this garbage human??
It does not change my opinion of him as far as what he was as a player. What him and the others have done is reprehensible. That isn't the way to conduct yourself and that goes for anyone.
"i dont care who are you and what you do but if youre good on the eagle then youre awesome in my book."
Quote from: MDS on December 12, 2017, 02:43:51 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 21, 2008, 02:36:55 AM
The Eagles have a stud QB and people want him run out the door.
mcnabb was run out of the league like 2 years after this comment
at least now we know where you were for the last few hours, searching for this comment to troll j.
it was on the first page of the thread, person involving himself in a conversation hes not a part of. took me 2 hours to dig that up, yes.
we dont get to pick and choose the perverts we like. roman polanski made good movies. hes a pervert. al franken was a good liberal senator. hes a pervert. louie ck was a great comedian. hes a pervert. donovan j mcnabb was an ok qb for your favorite team. hes a pervert. roy moore is a racist hate mongering lunatic. hes a pervert.
all of these people should be thrown into a pit of lava. moore first, though.
Quote from: MDS on December 12, 2017, 03:24:50 PM
all of these people should be thrown into a pit of lava. moore first, though.
ultimate worm burner
Al Franken is not a pervert.
Quote from: MDS on December 12, 2017, 03:24:50 PM
it was on the first page of the thread, person involving himself in a conversation hes not a part of. took me 2 hours to dig that up, yes.
oh my bad, I didn't realize you were having a private conversation in this open forum.
i never, ever want to have a conversation with you
Quote from: Diomedes on December 12, 2017, 03:30:35 PM
Al Franken is not a pervert.
no
Grouping Al with Roy in the "pervert" file is like putting Obama with Trump in the "extra-constitutional executive orders" file. Technically, sure...they both fit, but only in the broadest definition of the term.
Quote from: MDS on December 12, 2017, 03:06:40 PM
"i dont care who are you and what you do but if youre good on the eagle then youre awesome in my book."
who said that?
The term pervert needs to be defined too, I guess.
Because what Moore did is not equal to what others have done. What Eric Davis did rubbing up on someone is different than sending nasty text messages.
And what McNabb did is not right. You don't go at someone in those terms. Wanna talk dirty to your girlfriend or wife? Fine. Some person you work with? No.
Kinda gives new meaning to the term, "Five will always love you."
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 12, 2017, 04:39:05 PM
The term pervert needs to be defined too, I guess.
Because what Moore did is not equal to what others have done. What Eric Davis did rubbing up on someone is different than sending nasty text messages.
And what McNabb did is not right. You don't go at someone in those terms. Wanna talk dirty to your girlfriend or wife? Fine. Some person you work with? No.
pervert is a word in the dictionary with a definition.
if youd like to rank all the perverts in the world from 1 to 6 billion go ahead. sure, roy moore is safely ahead of 5. but 5 is a creep and a shtein person. i can only imagine what he did when he was running the city in the 2000s.
but sure lets make up some qualifiers to justify our never ending love for him. hes better than roman gabriel. hes not as big of a perv as roy moore. feel better now?
McNabb stays passive aggressive all the way down to the way he sexual harasses. Of course he did it via text and in a really unfunny way.
i have no doubt in my mind he was hammered when he sent those texts
on top of being a thin skinned bedwetting narcissistic coward hes a raging alcoholic
"Everybody makes mistakes in their lives, well last year they made a BIG mistake"
CUM at them 5
I think McNabb is one of the most insecure athletes to ever play in Philly. I guess the good news for all the women out there is he'd never have the balls to flash his penis to any of them because he'd be too afraid they'd laugh at the size of it. He'd be the type to creepily send a girl a picture of a sunset on a beach with him naked in the background out of focus, and then when the girl calls him a perv, he says oh shtein, didn't even notice I was in the pic.
Quote from: MDS on December 12, 2017, 05:26:35 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 12, 2017, 04:39:05 PM
The term pervert needs to be defined too, I guess.
Because what Moore did is not equal to what others have done. What Eric Davis did rubbing up on someone is different than sending nasty text messages.
And what McNabb did is not right. You don't go at someone in those terms. Wanna talk dirty to your girlfriend or wife? Fine. Some person you work with? No.
pervert is a word in the dictionary with a definition.
if youd like to rank all the perverts in the world from 1 to 6 billion go ahead. sure, roy moore is safely ahead of 5. but 5 is a creep and a shtein person. i can only imagine what he did when he was running the city in the 2000s.
but sure lets make up some qualifiers to justify our never ending love for him. hes better than roman gabriel. hes not as big of a perv as roy moore. feel better now?
You need to join your boy for a therapy session
Quote from: AshishPatel81 on December 12, 2017, 07:52:10 PM
McNabb stays passive aggressive all the way down to the way he sexual harasses. Of course he did it via text and in a really unfunny way.
Haha
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 12, 2017, 08:09:12 PMYou need to join your boy for a therapy session
you are to 5 what a trump voter is to trump
its like a farging cult
Incorrect. Try again.
what does he have to do for you to be OUT. like what are we dealing with here?
I suggest you re read my posts from today
farg you pansy ass bitter bed wetting POS
die die die die we hate you
youre the 3rd best qb in eagles history. go away and never come back