QuoteANDREWS COULD BE A HOLDOUT
Posted by Mike Florio on July 24, 2008, 1:48 p.m. EDT
A league source tells us that there are rumblings that Eagles guard Shawn Andrews might not show up for training camp, apparently due to displeasure with his contract.
Andrews is another one of the young Eagles players who signed an early-career contract that extends into the next decade. In Andrews' case, he's signed through 2015.
The first-round pick in the 2004 draft is due to earn a base salary of $2.98 million in 2008. And if he thinks that's too low, he'll be really pissed off in 2009, when his base salary drops to $750,000.
If he doesn't report, he'll be subject to fines of more than $15,000 per day, and he could be required to pay back a portion of the bonus money.
Oh for farg sake
These shteinheads signed the contracts...wtf?
wtf?
although, a league source saying there are rumblings sounds like a lot of BS to me.
chickens are coming home to roost for banner and company
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 24, 2008, 02:29:58 PM
chickens are coming home to roost for banner and company
This is Banner and Company's fault?
I'm no Banner apolgist, but Andrews SIGNED A fargING LONG TERM CONTRACT.
If he's unhappy with it, take it out on his agent who told him to sign it.
can we farging stop with the "he signed a contract" bull shtein?
teams sign contracts too, i don't see the outrage when players get cut in the middle of their long term deals
Its the way a business is run. Period. Why is that so hard to understand?
If I sign a contract at my company and they fire me for underperformance or whatever, there you go. But I can't go start saying I'm not going to work because I don't like the terms in the contract....3 years after signing it!
You never know until you try.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on July 24, 2008, 02:38:06 PM
Its the way a business is run. Period. Why is that so hard to understand?
Yup, and part of that business is holding out when you want a new deal. Why is that so hard to understand?
Quote from: PhillyGirl on July 24, 2008, 02:33:06 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 24, 2008, 02:29:58 PM
chickens are coming home to roost for banner and company
This is Banner and Company's fault?
I'm no Banner apolgist, but Andrews SIGNED A fargING LONG TERM CONTRACT.
where did i say it was banners fault?
where did i comment on andrews situation at all?
now take a breather and answer those questions
Quote from: SunMo on July 24, 2008, 02:34:47 PM
can we farging stop with the "he signed a contract" bull shtein?
teams sign contracts too, i don't see the outrage when players get cut in the middle of their long term deals
but they are just dumb athletes...they dont deserve the same thing intelligent rich owners deserve
not to mention anyone that thinks signing a sports contract is the same thing as say signing a will or a divorce agreement or a contract on a house is retarded
Quote from: PhillyGirl on July 24, 2008, 02:38:06 PM
Its the way a business is run. Period. Why is that so hard to understand?
If I sign a contract at my company and they fire me for underperformance or whatever, there you go. But I can't go start saying I'm not going to work because I don't like the terms in the contract....3 years after signing it!
You're not a professional athlete. Yes there are different standards.
Eagles better redefine their contract strategy and fast.
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 24, 2008, 02:40:44 PM
but they are just dumb athletes...they dont deserve the same thing intelligent rich owners deserve
That's what they have the intelligent, highly paid AGENTS for...to tell the dumb jock to sign or not. 3 years ago, his agent should have seen this coming, if not, that's the agent's fault, not the Eagles.
Let me also add that this is all based on "rumblings" "heard" from a "league source"
Andrews is well within his rights to hold out and get fined for doing so, as would Westbrook or Shepherd be.
The Eagles are well within their rights to cut those who underperform their contracts, and force those people to forfeit the non-guaranteed portions of the contracts remaining.
Blame the CBA. It was just updated recently and is actually very fair. If the players are good enough to get more guaranteed money in their deals, great for them. If not, this shtein happens during many deals.
Every single one of these unhappy players will be suited up and ready to go week one.
In other words, this is not news.
Quote from: Wingspan on July 24, 2008, 03:03:49 PM
Every single one of these unhappy players will be suited up and ready to go week one.
Yeah, for which team, though?
That matters?
We root for laundry.
Wah! I signed a contract, got paid millions of dollars and now I'm unhappy!! Somebody hold me!!!!!!!
exactly
I have a hard time feeling the POV vigy and sun are advancing. I mean, I get it, and they have a good point.
But I just don't care...overprivelaged well represented jocks crying in my face about more money
Quote from: Rome on July 24, 2008, 03:07:40 PM
Wah! I signed a contract, got paid millions of dollars and now I'm unhappy!! Somebody hold me!!!
Allow me to play some IGY counter-point here:
"Wah! I signed a player to a long-term contract hoping he'd be a bargain by the end of it! Now that he realizes he's underpaid against his peers, he wants more money and now I'm unhappy!! Somebody hold me!!!"
Sniff.
Player greed is ok. Owner greed is evil.
Let's make sure we're clear there, and then we can move on.
no one is telling yous to feel bad for them i certainly dont...but the vitriol you all express towards the players baffles me...as well as the lack of comprehension as to how professional sports works
Unless Banner and company held a gun to Andrews' head when he signed his contract, I have no sympathy for him and no anger towards the FO for putting together the deal.
He signed his extension a whopping two years ago. So, basically, he played two years of a seven year extension and now he's threatening to hold out? Please.
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/wire?section=nfl&id=2480692
Abide by the farging contract, and shut your crying flag ass, already.
the ironic part here is that your whining far exceeds any whining done by any of these players
at least andrews is bitching about HIS paycheck
My whining is splendiferous.
I ROOT FOR LAUNDRY!
Panties?
Stockings.
I root for no panties.
eskin reporting andrews will not report tonight for "personal reasons"
and the team is calling that unacceptable
ie hes getting fined
Fight the power, Big Kid! Fight the power!
Did Andrews give his rookie years salary back when he broke his leg and couldn't play? Hell no!
Now he wants a new deal because he feels underpaid.
Shut the farg up, abide by the contract you signed, and play.
lo booker running behind max jean gillies in the opener against st louis should be fun
The Eagles can't even get Bwest inked. No way the even sit down to the table with Andrews.
lol @ give back your salary because you shatter your bones playing for your team
what a tool
I'm thinking about reading the Collective Bargaining Agreement tonight.
Quote from: rjs246 on July 24, 2008, 04:28:05 PM
I'm thinking about reading the Collective Bargaining Agreement tonight.
Please do. Thanks in advance.
Don't spoil the ending for us.
Quote from: SunMo on July 24, 2008, 04:26:04 PM
lol @ give back your salary because you shatter your bones playing for your team
what a tool
Same principle, he had a contract, and he was paid. I laugh the same way when athletes want new deals after they sign.
And he broke his leg. If he had
shattered his bones, like your over the top dramatic comment says, he wouldn't be playing today.
Your head needs to be shattered.
Quote from: General_Failure on July 24, 2008, 04:32:37 PM
Don't spoil the ending for us.
this is the last page
(http://cache.viewimages.com/xc/75382734.jpg?v=1&c=ViewImages&k=2&d=17A4AD9FDB9CF193550E821156FDE61254373E23EFE3ABD5284831B75F48EF45)
So, is Andrews asking for Luis Castillo-type money?
This place is sort of making me laugh today. Cut it out jackasses and go back to being terribly serious and humorless.
Edit* Way to ruin it FF.
Frankly, I think he's wildly underpaid, and I'm sick of you clowns sticking up for Joe and Howie.
That would make Bwest real happy if they re-do his deal.
The Daily News is saying it isn't contract related and is a personal matter.
Via his agent.
That makes me horny.
I'll take the agent's word over a source who heard rumblings. lol
He'll be back in a month, saying his zipper was stuck.
Quote from: King Cole on July 24, 2008, 05:19:18 PM
The Daily News is saying it isn't contract related and is a personal matter.
Via his agent.
McLink (http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/dneagles/Andrews_Absence_Not_Contract_Related.html)
QuoteAndrews' Absence Not Contract Related
What would veterans' check-in day at Lehigh be without an unexpected curveball?
As the Escalades and Hummers began rumbling into the players' lot this afternoon, the Pro Football Talk Web site reported that Birds guard Shawn Andrews might not report because he is dissatisfied with his contract.
Your Eagletarian immediately called Andrews' agent, Rich Moran (which is the sort of thing we old-media types still like to do, rather than just throwing rumors up on the internet to raise sand). Moran said Andrews will not be at Lehigh tonight, but it is "100 percent wrong" to say his absence has anything to do with his contract. Moran said Andrews is dealing with a personal matter. He would not elaborate, other than to say it isn't the kind of personal matter where you check into rehab, or anything.
"Shawn has been in contact with Andy Reid a couple of times today," Moran said.
An Eagles spokesman was attempting to get a statement from Reid as we posted this. We'll update when that happens.
Sounds like the kind of thing that will be forgotten this time next week, but you never know for sure.
Meanwhile, no Brian Westbrook yet. New agent Todd France has not returned calls seeking comment.
Asante Samuel is the only prominent veteran who has made an appearance. Samuel actually checked in this morning, a rare thing for an Eagles vet, given that you don't absolutely have to be here until 7 p.m., and few vets seem all that eager to get a head start on sampling the charms of Bethlehem.
Quote from: General_Failure on July 24, 2008, 05:29:45 PM
He'll be back in a month, saying his zipper was stuck.
Frank and beans!
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f173/jlp0623/somethingaboutmary1.jpg)
God Cameron Diaz is hideous.
Quote from: rjs246 on July 24, 2008, 04:28:05 PM
I'm thinking about reading the Collective Bargaining Agreement tonight.
Cool we can compare notes, maybe start a :CF book club.
At least it isn't a tear jerker (http://www.concretefield.com/forum/index.php?topic=19786.0)
Quote from: King Cole on July 24, 2008, 05:19:18 PM
The Daily News is saying it isn't contract related and is a personal matter.
Via his agent.
Uhhhh.......ok, so I take back the "shut up and play" comment.
Quote from: General_Failure on July 24, 2008, 05:38:35 PM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on July 24, 2008, 05:31:32 PM
Quote from: General_Failure on July 24, 2008, 05:29:45 PM
He'll be back in a month, saying his zipper was stuck.
Frank and beans!
No, it was Summer School.
I know, Chainsaw and Dave rock. But I couldn't find any pics of them. LOL
(http://m1.cdn.spikedhumor.com/1/119542_summer_school_flesh_eating_rabbits_1.jpg)
I love the annual Andrews rumor mill. Not only is he holding out, but I heard he's balloned back up to well over 400 pounds and his sinuses have swelled his nose shut. Plus he has an undisclosed career-ending injury.
Hold on.. I'm confused.
Are we still pissed at Andrews? Or is it Banner?
I posted it in the Lito topic, but Westbrook has officially arrived. They said it on DNL.
So now you've posted it in the Andrews and Lito topics but not in a thread that actually talks about Westbrook. I wanna give you a big hug.
Quote from: King Cole on July 24, 2008, 06:01:33 PM
I posted it in the Lito topic, but Westbrook has officially arrived. They said it on DNL.
Thanks for the double post. That sort of information totally belongs in the Lito and Andrews threads and not in the "2008 training camp" or "Westbrook fires agent" thread.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on July 24, 2008, 05:49:03 PM
(http://m1.cdn.spikedhumor.com/1/119542_summer_school_flesh_eating_rabbits_1.jpg)
love it, thank you!
Quote from: QB Eagles on July 24, 2008, 05:59:30 PM
I love the annual Andrews rumor mill. Not only is he holding out, but I heard he's balloned back up to well over 400 pounds and his sinuses have swelled his nose shut. Plus he has an undisclosed career-ending injury.
:-D
bitch slapped twice at the same moment
Quote from: Father Demon on July 24, 2008, 06:01:33 PM
Hold on.. I'm confused.
Are we still pissed at Andrews? Or is it Banner?
IGY is pissed at Banner.
SunMo is pissed at his wife.
Everyone is pissed at Bush.
G_F is still pissed at that airport in Hawaii.
RJS and Dio are pissed at everybody.
And ATV is just pissy.
I'm not pissed at you, Geo. I think you're swell.
Are you calling him fat?
I think everyone's fat. So yes.
Quote from: shorebird on July 24, 2008, 05:44:43 PM
Uhhhh.......ok, so I take back the "shut up and play" comment.
I don't. In fact, if I never hear another retarded jock utter a peep the world would be that much closer to rainbows and unicorns.
Gargano on WIP is saying Andrews was almost traded yesterday. Saying this (I guess this personal issue, didn't elaborate) is an ongoing thing (couple years) and the Eagles are fed up with him.
This Gargano of whom you speak, his reputation is one marked by great integrity and honor, yes?
I'd say so, most recently (Eagles related) he broke Trotter getting cut last season. He's about the only one I can tolerate on WIP. Plus he's on with Macnow.
There will be more after the commercial break.
i wonder if he's one of those guys who thinks about retirement every offseason and this season he didn't feel ready for camp and that's his "personal issue"
the games cannot come soon enough
Quote from: SunMo on July 25, 2008, 11:16:58 AM
i wonder if he's one of those guys who thinks about retirement every offseason and this season he didn't feel ready for camp and that's his "personal issue"
I think it's over a bitch
- Gargano is saying the Eagles got blindsided by this, but he's not sure the issue but it's an ongoing thing
- Talking about the 'tear jerking' comments from last offseason
- Eagles are frustrated with him and said 'Let's trade him'. Gargano says he thinks it was just a reactionary thing
- Andrews is speaking to his agent tomorrow
- Eagles cooled their heads and are trying to be rational instead of jumping the gun
- Eagles have no idea what his problem is
he's gay and having a lover's spat and/or HIV test scare
Quote from: Diomedes on July 25, 2008, 11:21:41 AM
he's gay and having a lover's spat and/or HIV test scare
This wouldn't surprise me. Nor would one of the only dominant players on my favorite team turning out to be a complete flake who can't hack it as a professional athlete.
Don't get all excited. I'm not calling him a flake or saying he can't hack it, I'm just saying that if this turned out to be some melodrama that hurts the team in some way I wouldn't be the least bit surprised.
haha you like football players. homo.
A. That didn't make any sense. And,
B. I root for laundry.
Quote from: rjs246 on July 25, 2008, 11:33:38 AMB. I root for laundry.
vigy and
ATV root for landry
that was just terrible. just horribly unfunny. like awful. you...suck at most things.
stop trying to cover up...you laughed
I hope it's something unimportant, like his sexual orientation. As long as he can still play football, I don't care.
this franchise is cursed until the day joe banner has nothing to do with it anymore
Obviously. Can we blame him for all the other teams' inability to win the big one also?
if he's gay, they'll lynch him...that might get in the way of him playing football...wonder if the fatman friend of his who died was something more??
Oh for farg sake, even I can't entertain gay rumors with a snarky grin...who the farg knows what's going on...
bunch of shtein
Quote from: FastFreddie on July 25, 2008, 11:49:01 AM
Obviously. Can we blame him for all the other teams' inability to win the big one also?
i know the moneylover in you is why you adore banner
but im not sure why you care about other teams
I don't adore Banner. Rather, I have a rational opinion of him and realize there are both positive and negative aspects to his involvement with the team.
I think he was talking about other PHILLY teams.
Quote from: FastFreddie on July 25, 2008, 12:00:39 PM
I don't adore Banner. Rather, I have a rational opinion of him and realize there are both positive and negative aspects to his involvement with the team.
name one positive...and dont use the front office talking point "salary cap guru"...everyone undertsands the cap and many work it better than him
Many work the salary cap better than Banner?
:-D
Your blind hatred of that guy is comical, dookie.
please explain his genius...for starters what makes him better at the cap than say any of the eagles division rivals
He helps the team make a profit. Since he's been involved as the head money man, the team has been more competitive than ever, has built a new stadium, and has avoided letting money or cap problems stop them from being competitive.
On the other hand, he should stick to the office and not be a face to the media. Clearly, he is driven by making the most profit and not being the most competitive, but the two are not necessarily mutually exclusive as the "everyman" wants to believe. It's not that simple.
The team would probably be better off without him at this point, but since he's a Lurie puppet anyway, firing Banner would just cause another Lurie extension to wind up in his place.
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 25, 2008, 12:05:56 PM
please explain his genius...for starters what makes him better at the cap than say any of the eagles division rivals
He exposed the loophole in the cap that pretty much every team in the league follows. The Eagles are somewhat consistenly in the top of the league in terms of overall payroll but always seem to be $10-15 million under every season and are able to sign whomever they'd like. Don't compare this to the Skins because we all know the Eagles pockets aren't as deep as Danny boys.
Make a grandiose statement and then expect others to debunk it.
Awesome.
The puppet strings that IGY holds over all of you are showing... dance monkeys dance.
Yugo, girl.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on July 25, 2008, 12:08:02 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 25, 2008, 12:05:56 PM
please explain his genius...for starters what makes him better at the cap than say any of the eagles division rivals
He exposed the loophole in the cap that pretty much every team in the league follows. The Eagles are somewhat consistenly in the top of the league in terms of overall payroll but always seem to be $10-15 million under every season and are able to sign whomever they'd like. Don't compare this to the Skins because we all know the Eagles pockets aren't as deep as Danny boys.
who says he found the loophole other than the eagles pr machine...theres tons of loopholes in all cba's...and these guys all find them all the time...you honestly think he saw something in the cap that no other lawyer in the country did...gimme a break...im not saying hes worse than anyone else but the cap genius stuff is all PR put out by not surprisingly joe banner...
and deep pockets dont matter when theres a salary cap
lemme ask you this do you honestly believe the eagles couldnt find a hundreds of people to hire that could do with the cap what joe banner does...or does he really understand it in a way that no one else does
Quote from: FastFreddie on July 25, 2008, 12:07:45 PM
He helps the team make a profit. Since he's been involved as the head money man, the team has been more competitive than ever, has built a new stadium, and has avoided letting money or cap problems stop them from being competitive.
im sure hes a fine business man i dont doubt that...but so is bill bidwell
the fact is he is the anti christ and you wont convince me that he hasnt put a dark cloud over this franchise that they will never get out of until hes far away from philadelphia
It's been fairly well documented Banner was the guy who found the loophole. There was an SI or ESPN article a few years back about it but I can't seem to find it. The cap genius phrase doesn't apply today but it did 7-8 years ago when he was the one that exploited the loophole. I'm sure there are other CPA's that could do what Banner does but he's been doing it for years so why change? You're letting your blind hatred of his mistreatment of players to form your opinion. I personally don't like the guy and can see why you would dislike him but he's good at what he does.
As far as the Skins go they convert base salaries to bonuses for cap savings. They're able to do this every year and lead the league in overall payroll because of Danny's fat pockets.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on July 25, 2008, 12:40:41 PM
I'm sure there are other CPA's that could do what Banner does but he's been doing it for years so why change?
because hes isnt any better at it than anyone else and hes worse than some...and hes pretty much hated by anyone thats ever had to deal with him to the point that its hurting the franchise...he lucky in that his childhood friends with the owner or else his ass would have been back in boston a long time ago
Quote from: SD_Eagle on July 25, 2008, 12:40:41 PM
As far as the Skins go they convert base salaries to bonuses for cap savings. They're able to do this every year and lead the league in overall payroll because of Danny's fat pockets.
so certain cap rules are waived allowing teams to spend over the cap if they have a rich owner?...i dont understand what youre saying...is it like the nba where you can go over the cap by signing your own players?...how is lil danni allowed to spend more against the cap than anyone else
It's more like a manipulation of the cap to free up money. The skins have been #1 in overall payroll for like the last 8 seasons.
Back to the Big Kid:
Either this is a strange story, or we're feasting on internet rumor mongering bullshtein. Which is it?
Quote from: SD_Eagle on July 25, 2008, 12:55:34 PM
It's more like a manipulation of the cap to free up money. The skins have been #1 in overall payroll for like the last 8 seasons.
but banner always claims the eagles are #1 in payroll and that they always spend to the cap
how much more money a year do the skins spend on player salaries than the eagles?...im curious because if its like 50 million more then the cap doesnt work how i always believed...if its the difference btwn whatever the cap is and the amount of money the eagles are below the cap then they need a new owner too
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 25, 2008, 12:19:03 PM
the fact is he is the anti christ and you wont convince me that he hasnt put a dark cloud over this franchise that they will never get out of until hes far away from philadelphia
Well, how am I supposed to argue with a fact-based, logical argument like that?
Quote from: FastFreddie on July 25, 2008, 01:15:30 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 25, 2008, 12:19:03 PM
the fact is he is the anti christ and you wont convince me that he hasnt put a dark cloud over this franchise that they will never get out of until hes far away from philadelphia
Well, how am I supposed to argue with a fact-based, logical argument like that?
you already did by saying hes great for the team because hes a money lover
That is exactly what I said, yes. No hyperbole to suit your own view there at all. None.
Everything is either black or white to you, which I find to be dripping with irony.
He's probably just depressed or something. Maybe he suffers from chronic depression.
That tear-jerker stuff last year was kinda strange.
It wasn't strange at all. Athletes are attention whores and Andrews is a certifiable fruit cake. If he wasn't such a phenomenal talent, I'd say cram an apple in his mouth and hoist his fat ass onto a barbeque spit.
whoa, cannibalism...sexxy
Mandingo!
Jesus christ....why is it every year there seems to be some sort of drama on this team?
And the Andrews jersey is on hold.
Why is Banner being discussed in this thread. He has zero relevance to Andrews being a douchebag unless he threatened him or did something.
Personal issues over a few years? His friend dying?
Goddamn...shut up and play football farging drama queens.
joey the jew is always an issue. when you nickel and dime your employees then act like a complete dickhead when they ask for some more cash, you become a central part of the problem that is the philadelphia eagles.
Seeing as this apparently has nothing to do with money, your blatant attempt at sidling up to your boy havas is pathetic at best.
It seems like only yesterday that some here were "concerned" about Andrews getting locked up with a long term, big-money contract until 2015.
Enjoy Andrews Locked up through 2015 (http://www.concretefield.com/forum/index.php?topic=18431.msg422074#msg422074)
Quote from: FastFreddie on July 25, 2008, 05:44:00 PM
Seeing as this apparently has nothing to do with money, your blatant attempt at sidling up to your boy havas is pathetic at best.
god bless joe banner and the profits he makes for jeff lurie. what a great business. its an honor to pay $85 to watch a football game at lincoln financial field. i cant remember anything that happened before 1994, in fact, it didnt exist. whats kelly green?
Cameron Stevenson, Philadelphia Eagle (http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/20080725_Eagles_place_Andrews_on_did_not_report_list.html)
Quote from: MDS on July 25, 2008, 05:57:31 PM
Quote from: FastFreddie on July 25, 2008, 05:44:00 PM
Seeing as this apparently has nothing to do with money, your blatant attempt at sidling up to your boy havas is pathetic at best.
god bless joe banner and the profits he makes for jeff lurie. what a great business. its an honor to pay $85 to watch a football game at lincoln financial field. i cant remember anything that happened before 1994, in fact, it didnt exist. whats kelly green?
thats because you were in diapers then, little one.
Why couldn't guys like Mark Simoneau, Todd Pinkston, Blaine Bishop and people like that have been the certified idiots who don't show up and become expendable?
Why must it be the stars?
And why is Andrews choosing to do this now...how about take care of your business and then go to work?
Reid is pissed off per Spads. I'm listening now waiting for the PC.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on July 25, 2008, 05:59:13 PM
Quote from: MDS on July 25, 2008, 05:57:31 PM
Quote from: FastFreddie on July 25, 2008, 05:44:00 PM
Seeing as this apparently has nothing to do with money, your blatant attempt at sidling up to your boy havas is pathetic at best.
god bless joe banner and the profits he makes for jeff lurie. what a great business. its an honor to pay $85 to watch a football game at lincoln financial field. i cant remember anything that happened before 1994, in fact, it didnt exist. whats kelly green?
thats because you were in diapers then, little one.
youre about 7 years off, but even so, you can still have a sense and embrace the teams history without actually living through it. or you can ignore it and pretend it didnt exist. whichever one.
Quote from: Beermonkey on July 25, 2008, 05:45:50 PM
It seems like only yesterday that some here were "concerned" about Andrews getting locked up with a long term, big-money contract until 2015.
Enjoy Andrews Locked up through 2015 (http://www.concretefield.com/forum/index.php?topic=18431.msg422074#msg422074)
ha, well played
Apparently Eskin said he doesn't really want to be a football player that much and is homesick.
Read it on another board....
Oh, man. That's bad. Because it's actually believable. farg me
Quote from: Beermonkey on July 25, 2008, 05:45:50 PM
It seems like only yesterday that some here were "concerned" about Andrews getting locked up with a long term, big-money contract until 2015.
Enjoy Andrews Locked up through 2015 (http://www.concretefield.com/forum/index.php?topic=18431.msg422074#msg422074)
Quote from: MURP on June 12, 2006, 10:24:36 AM
well, atleast we know the management thinks he is going to the pro bowl this year. Because the only reason they sign him this early is to save money later on.
I still blame Andrews for breaking his neckspine in the New Orleans game thus leading to ScottYoung246's appearance.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on July 25, 2008, 06:11:28 PM
Apparently Eskin said he doesn't really want to be a football player that much and is homesick.
Awesome.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on July 25, 2008, 06:11:28 PM
Apparently Eskin said he doesn't really want to be a football player that much and is homesick.
Read it on another board....
Kind of odd he'd get his numbers tattoo'd on his forearms:
(http://www.the700level.com/images/2007/06/05/shawnandrews.jpg)
That's how many pounds of fat he looks forward to gaining the first month after retirement.
Or maybe he's trying to spell 'EL'
Fail
D Gunner said he talked to an Eagles source and a source close to Andrews. Both said the trade stuff is false.
Not tats, brands. Tats don't raise the skin. Searing with hot iron does.
farging idiotic. It's not a tribute to your forbears to mutilate yourself, jackass.
Tats do raise the skin depending on the person. And both methods of self mutilation qualify as awesome.
in that pic, he's showing off brand new ink, which is of course swollen because the skin has just been punctured several thousand times.
a brand would look entirely different, too..you would not see the black pigmentation of the ink, only the burnt flesh, which is not black like the brand on a cow..human skin is a lot easier to burn than cowhide
also, rjs is correct..different people scar differently. some scar very little, some just a bit, some lots. also depends on the instrument used, how bad the scarring is. finally, some keloid, some don't.
I wanted to write all that, but rjdios beat me to it. They are brand, spanking new tats.
And the dumb ass put them on upside down.
Or they're meant to be looked at from behind, where arms are usually seen when not eating, boxing, or typing away on message boards. I mean, his number isn't 37.
Quote from: General_Failure on July 26, 2008, 01:55:38 AM
Or they're meant to be looked at from behind, where arms are usually seen when not eating, boxing, or typing away on message boards. I mean, his number isn't 37.
And there's the flaw in your argument.
Andrews isn't listed on the roster on the PE site. Can , and probably does, mean exactly shtein.
Quote from: PPinDC on July 26, 2008, 11:47:10 AM
Andrews isn't listed on the roster on the PE site. Can , and probably does, mean exactly shtein.
Scroll down, he's on the reserve/did not report roster.
Quote from: PPinDC on July 26, 2008, 11:47:10 AM
Andrews isn't listed on the roster on the PE site. Can , and probably does, mean exactly shtein.
He's there...down on the bottom listed as "Reserve/Did Not Report".
Has anyone tried scrolling down to see if he's on the "reserve/did not report" section?
Quote from: FastFreddie on July 26, 2008, 12:11:31 PM
Has anyone tried scrolling down to see if he's on the "reserve/did not report" section?
Why don't you give it a shot and let us know what you find.
Fruit.
Cake.
Quote from: Butchers Bill on July 26, 2008, 12:14:36 PM
Why don't you give it a shot and let us know what you find.
(http://www.timrusstribute.com/images/Other%20Roles/Spaceballs/Spaceballs2.jpg)
Obscure references for the win.
Spaceballs should not be considered obscure for this crowd.
I'm sorry, not very clear. Also never gotten a tattoo (surprise, surprise).
Clearly they're inked, but can the skin really get raised that much after tattooing?
No, that picture's been shopped.
Quote from: MadMarchHare on July 26, 2008, 12:43:39 PM
I'm sorry, not very clear. Also never gotten a tattoo (surprise, surprise).
Clearly they're inked, but can the skin really get raised that much after tattooing?
Yes. Tattoos are not very good for your skin and undermeat immediately following their application.
Lol @ undermeat! Is that anything like taintmeat?
Spaceballs and Michael Winslow (is that him?) in one reference? Absolute win.
please change title to Andrews a possible homo?
It's going to be a long day if we're going to start outing athletes.
Quote from: MDS on July 27, 2008, 11:24:55 AM
Spaceballs and Michael Winslow (is that him?) in one reference? Absolute win.
No, but I could see why you couldn't tell. They all look alike, right? Right?
(http://www.matchflick.com/pimages/8165.jpg)
"That's not all he's lost."
Quote from: General_Failure on July 27, 2008, 11:44:09 AM
It's going to be a long day if we're going to start outing athletes.
ha
I've been away for a day or so with no internet--the horror!--and I return to this thread before all others to see what if anything new has developed.
Nothing, apparently.
Apparently his agent is meeting with him at his home in Jersey today.
I have the mental picture of the agent showing up, knocking on the door and not getting an answer. He lets himself in and after searching the house finds Shawn's hiding in a closet sucking his thumb and holding a blanket.
Either that or he finds him in his bed, unable to get up because he weighs six hundred pounds.
Quote from: shorebird on July 27, 2008, 03:22:34 PM
Either that or he finds him in his bed, unable to get up because he weighs six hundred pounds.
Wasn't he supposedly in great shape for the minicamps?
i thought he missed at least the last mini camp with these same issues?
I might have missed that.
But he WAS at a playground building last month and didn't look any bigger than normal (like grossly overweight or anything). There are pictures of him in the Insider magazine that is great for pictures, not so much for the reading.
He is called the big kid after all.
His mentality is consistent with his nickname.
Quote from: King Cole on July 27, 2008, 07:59:40 PM
His mentality is consistent with his nickname.
Your mentality is consistent with poop.
I was just joking. No one knows what the problem is.
Quote from: FastFreddie on July 27, 2008, 08:26:53 PM
Quote from: King Cole on July 27, 2008, 07:59:40 PM
His mentality is consistent with his nickname.
Your mentality is consistent with poop.
If it is a solid stool, then I'll take that as a compliment. If it is diarrhea, then no thanks.
Apparently Runyan did an interview on SprtsFinal and he ripped into Andrews pretty good...
Also they apparently texted with Andrews (John Clark, I'm assuming) and he said he can't predict when he'll be in camp.
Any of you locals confirm this? Ed?
I can confirm the Andrews thing, but I was in the other room for the Runyan interview.
FWIW, Eskin said Andrews is suffering from Clinical Depression, guess he's getting medication now
Stellar.
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on July 29, 2008, 08:40:38 AM
FWIW, Eskin said Andrews is suffering from Clinical Depression, guess he's getting medication now
was he on the morning show....or did you hear this yesterday and are posting it this AM
yesterday
QuoteANDREWS SPEAKS, BUT SAYS NOTHING
Posted by Mike Florio on July 29, 2008, 5:18 p.m. EDT
Eagles guard Shawn Andrews has given an interview to ESPN Radio in Philly, during which he addressed rampant rumors regarding his five-days-and-counting unexcused absence from the team.
"You can let everyone know all the rumors are not true," Andrews said. "From contractual to retirement, and God knows whatever else is being said. I'm prayed up right now and trying to get right though. "
OK, so if you're going to say the rumors (whatever they are) aren't true, why not say what's really going on? Providing information is usually a pretty effective way to quash uninformed speculation.
get your meds and get your ass to Lehigh
Quote from: FlorioOK, so if you're going to say the rumors (whatever they are) aren't true, why not say what's really going on?
Andrews never said that the rumors weren't true. He said "
all the rumors are not true."
Wouldn't it be easier if it's a mental health issue just to say it's an excused absence? Doesn't wash.
could it be that his fat ass just wants to avoid camp for however long he can.
to sum it up:
emotionally sensitive football player acquires Hugh Douglas training camp syndrome with a touch of contract jealousy. Cant decide what hurts him more: lack of love, money or food. Will eventually report to camp and dominate in regular season. Quietly, his brother, who was drafted in later rounds, will prove to be the better pick overall in years to come. Another sad draft for the Eagles.
Reading that put a rock in my gut.
(http://thymoma.de/depression-pez1.jpg)
QuoteRUNYAN TEES OFF ON ANDREWS
Posted by Mike Florio on July 30, 2008, 8:36 p.m.
Eagles right tackle Jon Runyan doesn't like the fact that right guard Shawn Andrews isn't present at training camp. And Runyan isn't bashful about the subject.
"It's not helping us and it's not helping him sitting out," Runyan said. "The longer he holds out, the longer it'll be before he gets in there. So it's going to be a tough situation. If you keep giving reps to the guy who's backing you up, at some point, he's going to pass you."
It's curious that Runyan would use the words "holds out." The phrase implies that Andrews is absent because he wants more money.
OMG first he said that Andrews is sitting out, then he says Andrews is holding out. Why won't you tell us the truth, Runyon?!
He would, but he's too busy shaving his neckspine.
Electric razor on a stick?
plug in loufa?
runyan needs a two stroke echo hedge clipper to lop that down
he needs to cut a fire line through it
QuoteMonday, August 4, 2008
ANDREWS' SITUATION SOON TO BE RESOLVED
The Shawn Andrews situation could be resolved by the end of this afternoon's practice at Lehigh University.Rich Moran, the agent for the Eagles' two-time Pro Bowl guard, said Andrews was in the process of talking to Eagles officials about his situation and that an announcement could be made after the 2:45 p.m. practice.
Andrews has missed the first 12 days and 18 full-squad workouts of training camp because of "personal issues." There has been speculation, but no public statement from the team about why Andrews has been absent. Coach Andy Reid reiterated this morning that Andrews' absence has been unexcused. The Eagles have not said if they were going to fine Andrews for his missed time.
Reid said he had spoken recently with Andrews, but he wasn't any more comfortable with the situation.
"I'll feel comfortable when he's here," Reid said. "He has to take care of his business and get himself right and get back here."
The coach also lauded reserve Max Jean Gilles for his work at right guard during Andrews' absence.
"The other guy is getting an opportunity to play and he's doing a good job with it," Reid said.
Posted by Bob Brookover @ 3:14 PM
link (http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/inq-eagles/ANDREWS_SITUATION_SOON_TO_BE_RESOLVED.html)
Yippee farging skippy.
So is he gonna actually try and play football or still be a Hoyda?
QuoteShawn Andrews says not to believe any of the salacious rumors about his absence from the Eagles. Don't even believe the more mundane "speculation that I just don't want to go to camp," Andrews said in a phone conversation with the Daily News from his home in Arkansas Monday afternoon.
"I'm willing to admit that I've been going through a very bad time with depression," the Eagles' two-time Pro Bowl right guard said. "I've finally decided to get professional help. It's not something that blossomed up overnight. I'm on medication, trying to get better."
Andrews didn't want to go into the origins of his depression, which he said began a little more than a year ago and steadily worsened. "I really was kind of at my end," he said. "I've really had a lot on my mind, really (been) contemplating a lot of things."
Anyone who has been through such struggles knows the symptoms he is dealing with -- a frantic, anxious feeling, inability to sleep or concentrate.
"In the state that I'm in, (had he reported), I would be at training camp physically, but mentally, I could have gotten myself hurt or gotten one of my teammates hurt," Andrews said. "But I have a meeting with my doc on Thursday, and hopefully, I'll be up that way on Friday."
Actually, if Andrews shows up on Friday there won't be anyone at camp to greet him -- the Eagles play their presesason opener that night in Pittsburgh. Saturday would probably be good for everyone.
Andrews confirmed that he is being fined more than $15,000 per day because his absence is unexcused. He praised the Eagles, though, for being understanding, despite Eagles coach Andy Reid's hints Monday that the longer Andrews stays out, the more danger there is of sub Max Jean-Gilles taking his job.
"Football is important, it's a means to an end, but my mental health, I feel like, is a lot more important," Andrews said. "That's a helluva lot of money ... Money's good, money's a necessity, but it's not everything. I can't put a price tag on my mental state."
Andrews and agent Rich Moran declined to speculate on whether they could make a case legally or through the players' association to have the fines rescinded. They said they just want to get Andrews squared away and back with the team, right now.
Andrews has been reading some of the comments fans have made online about his situation.
"I don't expect sympathy," he said. "I know there are harsh people in this world, but dang, that made me feel low. I do care what people think about me, to an extent."
Andrews, who said he has continued to work out and is in top shape, 335 pounds, said he has spoken with a few teammates. He said he hopes to speak with the team when he returns, "to stop some of the bleeding."
Andrews said he is "a fan of Max," and that "Max deserves what he works for."
Andrews said when he speaks to his teammates, "I just want to look 'em in the eye and let 'em all know -- this wasn't BS, this was for the mental health of me, I could have gone out there and gotten any one of you hurt" by not being focused.
http://www.philly.com/philly/hp/news_update/Andrews_Battling_Depression_Plans_Return_Soon.html
QuoteBattling Depression, PlansAndrews Return Soon
Shawn Andrews says not to believe any of the salacious rumors about his absence from the Eagles. Don't even believe the more mundane "speculation that I just don't want to go to camp," Andrews said in a phone conversation with the Daily News from his home in Arkansas Monday afternoon.
"I'm willing to admit that I've been going through a very bad time with depression," the Eagles' two-time Pro Bowl right guard said. "I've finally decided to get professional help. It's not something that blossomed up overnight. I'm on medication, trying to get better."
Andrews didn't want to go into the origins of his depression, which he said began a little more than a year ago and steadily worsened. "I really was kind of at my end," he said. "I've really had a lot on my mind, really (been) contemplating a lot of things."
Anyone who has been through such struggles knows the symptoms he is dealing with -- a frantic, anxious feeling, inability to sleep or concentrate.
"In the state that I'm in, (had he reported), I would be at training camp physically, but mentally, I could have gotten myself hurt or gotten one of my teammates hurt," Andrews said. "But I have a meeting with my doc on Thursday, and hopefully, I'll be up that way on Friday."
Actually, if Andrews shows up on Friday there won't be anyone at camp to greet him -- the Eagles play their presesason opener that night in Pittsburgh. Saturday would probably be good for everyone.
Andrews confirmed that he is being fined more than $15,000 per day because his absence is unexcused. He praised the Eagles, though, for being understanding, despite Eagles coach Andy Reid's hints Monday that the longer Andrews stays out, the more danger there is of sub Max Jean-Gilles taking his job.
"Football is important, it's a means to an end, but my mental health, I feel like, is a lot more important," Andrews said. "That's a helluva lot of money ... Money's good, money's a necessity, but it's not everything. I can't put a price tag on my mental state."
Andrews and agent Rich Moran declined to speculate on whether they could make a case legally or through the players' association to have the fines rescinded. They said they just want to get Andrews squared away and back with the team, right now.
Andrews has been reading some of the comments fans have made online about his situation.
"I don't expect sympathy," he said. "I know there are harsh people in this world, but dang, that made me feel low. I do care what people think about me, to an extent."
Andrews, who said he has continued to work out and is in top shape, 335 pounds, said he has spoken with a few teammates. He said he hopes to speak with the team when he returns, "to stop some of the bleeding."
Andrews said he is "a fan of Max," and that "Max deserves what he works for."
Andrews said when he speaks to his teammates, "I just want to look 'em in the eye and let 'em all know -- this wasn't BS, this was for the mental health of me, I could have gone out there and gotten any one of you hurt" by not being focused.
Look for more on Andrews in Tuesday's Daily News.
link (http://www.philly.com/philly/hp/news_update/Andrews_Battling_Depression_Plans_Return_Soon.html)
He should just go ahead and kill himself.
Quote from: Rome on August 04, 2008, 04:48:59 PM
He should just go ahead and kill himself.
because he's taking care of himself over football?
If you don't know anyone with depression and you're just making that comment, perhaps you should take your own advice Rome. :-X
Quote from: Rome on August 04, 2008, 04:48:59 PM
He should just go ahead and kill himself.
I agree, I'm gonna leave a revolver in a box on his bed at Lehigh
When did it become ok for people to admit that they are sad? No one farging cares. Kill yourself or get on with your life. Don't tell everyone about your depression. We don't give a shtein. Woman.
Haha it's almost a given those negative comments he read online were from this website :-D
Quote from: Munson on August 04, 2008, 05:23:48 PM
Haha it's almost a given those negative comments he read online were from this website :-D
We can make it like ES:
Shawn
I know that you're sad and feeling helpless, but just know that your extended family is here to support you. We know that you'll get over this in no time and be running through D-lineman on your way to the Pro Bowl. Best wishes on a speedy recovery!
SD/Mike
Given the amount of time some of you who just posted are on the computer I'd be shocked if you weren't depressed so you're comments make me raff. I mean come on you are wasting the prime of your life on the computer.
Quote from: mpmcgraw on August 04, 2008, 05:57:46 PM
Given the amount of time some of you who just posted are on the computer I'd be shocked if you weren't depressed so you're comments make me raff. I mean come on you are wasting the prime of your life on the computer.
Says the guy that posts on 8 different boards. But don't pull that trigger on my account.
Well, really I only post on BSG anymore because FastFreddie left the EMB. That's why I came here. I love you FF!
Also I love me so no I am not depressed in any way.
If you are depressed, CF is the last place you want to be. Anyone with depression issues that comes here will have their brains splattered on a nearby wall in a week's time.
Ok, I give the guy props for getting his shtein in order. But why did he wait until right before camp? Either way, as long as he's in the right state of mind and ready to go when the season opens...cool.
I'm sticking to the gay theory. He's only depressed because he's closeted.
Maybe you can help him come out?
Quote from: mpmcgraw on August 04, 2008, 06:10:14 PM
Well, really I only post on BSG anymore because FastFreddie left the EMB. That's why I came here. I love you FF!
Also I love me so no I am not depressed in any way.
Time to ban FF.
Dawkins said on DNL he was depressed for the first two years of his career.
mpmcgraw said in his post that dawkins said on dnl that SHUT THE farg UP
No, Dawkins didn't say that but he did basically call Hochman an idiot for saying that the Eagles should trade for Favre to back up Donovan.
Hochman is like 95 years old and honestly has no idea who Brian Westbrook is. Just stop.
you stop.
Can i buy you in a store so you're mine forever?
Quote from: mpmcgraw on August 04, 2008, 06:52:01 PM
No, Dawkins didn't say that but he did basically call Hochman an idiot for saying that the Eagles should trade for Favre to back up Donovan.
Good for Dawkins.
Quote from: MDS on August 04, 2008, 07:00:37 PM
Can i buy you in a store so you're mine forever?
you already have my receipt
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 04, 2008, 04:52:03 PM
Quote from: Rome on August 04, 2008, 04:48:59 PM
He should just go ahead and kill himself.
because he's taking care of himself over football?
If you don't know anyone with depression and you're just making that comment, perhaps you should take your own advice Rome. :-X
So you're recommending that I kill myself? Wow - that's harsh, PG. After all, maybe I'm suffering from depression and actually need someone to be nice to me and understand my pain.
But you didn't cop to it.
Be a man.
I'd be depressed if I was 350 pounds and facing the realization than I'd be spending a month in the burning sun hitting other fat guys.
Andrews needs to suck it up and quit being a Hoyda.
well, at least he's not a gay.
Quote from: General_Failure on August 04, 2008, 06:40:13 PM
Quote from: mpmcgraw on August 04, 2008, 06:10:14 PM
Well, really I only post on BSG anymore because FastFreddie left the EMB. That's why I came here. I love you FF!
Also I love me so no I am not depressed in any way.
Time to ban FF.
I have the worst fan club ever.
If it is minor "break up with your girlfriend" depression, then he needs to suck it up. But, as it sounds, he may have some type of chronic depression due to a chemical imbalance in the brain. That he has no control over, which is why he said he is going on medication.
As of right now it is only speculation. Not use bashing him until anyone finds out what he is dealing with exactly. He could be bi-polar and that is very serious.
This is a lot of fuel for those DT's to talk trash to him at the line of scrimmage.
Shawn just needs someone to listen to him and make him feel special.
Look if it's major, you know, life-threatening depression, why are the Eagles fining his ass? Just say he's on medical leave and have done with it.
This all smells like bullshtein to me. He's a big fat guy who can show up in September and play without camp. He's willing to pay for the right. Let him.
Probably the only reason why Reid doesn't have compassion for him (which is out of character for Reid not to stick up for his players) is because HE smells bullshtein as well
If Andrews thinks he's depressed now...wait till his teammates alienate his ass when he comes back.
Have fun Shawn.
Quote from: MadMarchHare on August 04, 2008, 08:26:05 PM
Look if it's major, you know, life-threatening depression, why are the Eagles fining his ass? Just say he's on medical leave and have done with it.
This all smells like bullshtein to me. He's a big fat guy who can show up in September and play without camp. He's willing to pay for the right. Let him.
Of course it's bullshtein, I used to get depressed before going on a 6 month deployment. It wasn't a mental illness it's human nature.
Found this on the EMB:
QuoteI am a die hard Eagles fan and have been so for more years than most of you have been alive.
You people who knock this fine young man don't know about life. Many people suffer from
various forms and degrees of depression, but Real Deep Depression can be worse than the
the most intense pain that one can feel. It also is far more difficult to treat , because taking
a pill does not relieve the cause of the depression, like taking a pain pill can relieve the pain.
Shawn is a sensitive human being. You can tell that by just listening to him when he speaks.
He needs all of us to support him at this time. He has given all of us great pleasure in the way
he has performed for our Eagles. I don't comment on the board that often, but as I have
commented in the past. I have watched the Eagles for over 50 years and was a season
ticket holder for 25 of those years. Shawn Andrews, my friends, is the best interior lineman
I have ever seen, and that goes back from Fuzzy Thurston to Steve Hutchinson. He needs us to
support him now. Lets give him some love and enjoy watching this mans play while he is with us.
Quote from: MDS on August 04, 2008, 07:00:37 PM
Can i buy you in a store so you're mine forever?
do not use that on anything but the lowest grade chick ever
Don't use it on a black chick though, unless you like getting beaten.
I'm excited that the team's starting right guard and one of the few dominant forces on the team is a sensitive little guy. Can't athletes ever just be normal? They're either showboating, wannabe movie star prima donnas, stripper slapping thug life punks, suicidal sensitive dandy-men or some hideous combination of all of those.
More Warrick Dunns.
Less Chad Johnsons.
Quote from: General_Failure on August 04, 2008, 10:28:30 PM
Don't use it on a black chick though, unless you like getting beaten.
I dunno, I've seen some black chicks who might actually quote you a price if you ask that.
I'm just wondering if people actually think having clinical depression means you're a Hoyda?
I think if someone has issues they should resolve them, whatever way they have to. Now that it is known he has this, I understand the issues.
Clinical Depression, although I joke about mental illness sometimes, is real. Just like PTSD was a taboo subject back in the day, it is a real issue.
Now...do some people fake it and use it as a crutch? Absolutely.
But if someone has legit problems, and they correct and control them, more power to them.
your only not a Hoyda if you actually kill yourself
I think Reid fined him, because Andrews never told him what was wrong. He never told anyone. All he ever said was "I'm just taking some time to get well, and am going through tough times."
If that is all that he's going to give Reid, then of course he will be fined. You have to at least tell your boss what the hell is wrong with you.
With that said, it could all be a ploy just to miss camp. No one can say for sure yet.
He's depressed because he got his numbers tattooed upside down on his damned beefy arms.
QuoteDepressed Andrews had gun pulled on him last year
By Bob Brookover
INQUIRER STAFF WRITER
BETHLEHEM, Pa. - All the speculation about what was keeping Shawn Andrews from joining his Eagles teammates at training camp finally got to him, so today the two-time Pro Bowl guard decided it was time to talk about his "personal issue."
Depression that has required medical treatment prevented the 6-foot-5, 335-pound offensive lineman from reporting to work at Lehigh University.
"After finally deciding to get professional help, I felt like maybe talking about my situation could be a blessing to someone else going through the same things," Andrews said today from his home in Arkansas. "Regardless of whether you're a celebrity or you play for the Philadelphia Eagles and you're in the limelight, you still go through problems."
Andrews, despite tremendous career success during his first four seasons in the NFL, has also endured some serious life trauma. Before the 2007 season, he lost a 23-year-old, overweight friend to a heart attack, which spurred his own desire to lose weight and eat healthier.
His brother Derrick, a member of the U.S. Army, has done two tours of duty in Afghanistan.
Andrews, 25, said he also had a gun pulled on him several times in Philadelphia, the most recent being during the Eagles' playoff run in January 2007.
He also became a father for the first time in the spring when his son Shawn was born.
"A lot of things in my life have happened even since I've come to Philadelphia," Andrews said. "Random people have pulled out a gun on me. One time during the playoffs, some guy walked from around a building and said, 'You're going to the Pro Bowl? [blank] him, he's not going to the Pro Bowl.' Luckily, I was talking to someone and I didn't hear him. If I heard it, I think I'd have been on the ground."
The fifth-year guard wouldn't elaborate on all his problems, but he admitted he has not always had a good sense of himself.
"I've just had a lot of thoughts and questions going through my mind about a lot of things," he said. "Some things I'm embarrassed to talk about. But even dating back to when I was growing up . . . people made fun of me. I always wanted people to think I was more than what I was.
"When I got into the [NFL], I wanted to be man enough to admit that, but I tried to use material things to say who I was. I know now that some of the happiest times in my life were when I didn't have a pot to piss in. I'm hoping this is just part of my growing process."
Andrews said he is scheduled to see a psychiatrist Thursday in Philadelphia and that he recently started taking medication for his depression. He admitted, however, that he resisted initial offers of help.
"I've actually just started to take a little medication," he said. "I've never been a big fan of medication, but at this point in my life I feel like every little bit helps. I was at the end of the road."
A friend, Andrews said, referred him to the Philadelphia-area psychiatrist in June before he left the Eagles' final spring camp and returned to his home state of Arkansas, but he decided against treatment.
"My pride got in the way," Andrews said. "I didn't want anybody to see me walking into a psych clinic. Professionals aren't always the answer. Sometimes, just talking things out helps. And now with all the rumors coming out, it has only made things worse. Some of the comments really got to me. You always hear guys say that they don't care what people think and sometimes I don't about certain things. But in the grand scheme, I want people to think positive about me."
The initial speculation was that Andrews wanted a new contract, but both his agent Rich Moran and the Eagles immediately dismissed that notion. Moran also denied speculation that Andrews didn't want to risk injury by taking part in the contact part of training camp, which ended with yesterday's workout.
Andrews insisted that his decision was all about depression.
"That's the ultimate reason I wasn't at camp," he said. "I would have been there physically, but mentally I wouldn't have been an asset to my team or myself. I could have got myself or one of my teammates hurt."
There was also speculation that Andrews didn't want to report to training camp because he was overweight again, a problem that plagued him during his college career at Arkansas and his first two NFL seasons.
"For a while I didn't work out and I didn't put my weight back on," Andrews said. "I went about a month and I only gained two pounds. But I started working out again and that helped me through some things. I'm still 335 and in shape."
Andrews said he hopes to be cleared to return after meeting with his doctor Thursday.
"I really miss being around the guys," Andrews said. "I really do miss a lot of aspects of the game. But my story, everything is real. If I sit here and lie to you, I'm lying to myself. Hopefully, the doctor will give me the OK to play, but I won't everything is OK if it isn't."
Andrews said the Eagles have been fining him $15,000 per day since he did not report to training camp, a total that would now be at $180,000.
"That's college money for my son, but whatever the number is, that hasn't been my focus," Andrews said. "I know the value of a dollar. I come from a household of four where the weekly income was 200 or 300 dollars a week. I just felt my mental health was more important than a dollar."
Eagles coach Andy Reid addressed the situation briefly following the team's morning practice yesterday, saying that he had spoken to Andrews and reiterating that the guard's absence was unexcused.
Though Reid publicly seems bothered by his Pro Bowl guard's absence, Andrews indicated the coach has understood his problems during their phone conversations.
"I think every time we've talked, he became more sensitive that I do have issues going on," Andrews said. "I'll admit that I said some things around my teammates that have created some of the rumors that have been going on, but a lot of that was said out of anger. I said I might give football up because I didn't know how to handle my anger. This really has taken a toll on me mentally."
Andrews, who has recently added to his collection of tattoos, said that is also a reflection of what he's been going through.
"I think that was just part of me trying to identify myself," he said. "I've always felt like I was different. I feel like I'm an abstract person and I still wonder who Shawn Andrews is. That's why you always see me joking around. Being around people and singing activates my fun side. At the end of the day, this doesn't take away from my fun side, but it has for the time being.
That is a pretty good article. Good for him on getting help.
Am I the only one that is confused by this:
Quote"A lot of things in my life have happened even since I've come to Philadelphia," Andrews said. "Random people have pulled out a gun on me. One time during the playoffs, some guy walked from around a building and said, 'You're going to the Pro Bowl? [blank] him, he's not going to the Pro Bowl.' Luckily, I was talking to someone and I didn't hear him. If I heard it, I think I'd have been on the ground."
So he was talking to someone and some random guy came from around a building with a gun and said 'farg him he's going to the Pro Bowl'? Yet he didn't see the guy or hear the guy.
What I take away from this episode is that Andrews is kooky and unreliable. From this point on, I'll take any decent play he renders as a nice gift, but not a given.
Kind of like how often you expect a coherent post from MDS.
So one of the players on the team takes a trip off the reservation and everyone is worried... except for Phreak, who is proud of the guy for getting treatment. This is a shocking turn of events.
You know, most people are capable of getting therapy AND actually reporting to their job to earn a living at the same time. A crazy concept, I know, but it has been done before.
You are just hating because he is fat.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 04, 2008, 10:47:51 PM
I'm just wondering if people actually think having clinical depression means you're a Hoyda?
the internet makes a man outta pusssies from around the way who usually wouldnt have a farging thing to say
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 04, 2008, 11:21:26 PM
That is a pretty good article. Good for him on getting help.
You seriously believe both of those things? Yikes, man.
Quote from: rjs246 on August 05, 2008, 06:57:01 AM
So one of the players on the team takes a trip off the reservation and everyone is worried... except for Phreak, who is proud of the guy for getting treatment. This is a shocking turn of events.
You know, most people are capable of getting therapy AND actually reporting to their job to earn a living at the same time. A crazy concept, I know, but it has been done before.
No, I am still worried. But I thought it was a good read and I bought his explanation. I am glad he got treatment, yes. Because too many people pull the too proud thing and never go see people to talk to. I had a good friend who did that. He was too proud and nothing was wrong with him blah blah, but he eventually went and got help after we urged him to. Now he's better than ever.
I am not sure that you will find more misguided and misinformed posts than in the last 2 or 3 pages of this thread.
Quote from: Wingspan on August 05, 2008, 08:38:56 AM
I am not sure that you will find more misguided and misinformed posts than in the last 2 or 3 pages of this thread.
seriously.....it actually hilarious
QuoteDAWKINS DETAILS HIS OWN DEPRESSION
Posted by Michael David Smith on August 5, 2008, 8:09 a.m.
Shortly after Eagles guard Shawn Andrews revealed that the reason for his absence from training camp is a battle with depression, one of Andrews' teammates revealed that he, too, has suffered from depression.
Safety Brian Dawkins said in an interview Monday night that he sought treatment for clinical depression early in his career.
"I went through it my rookie year, my first two years, so I know what it's like," Dawkins said.
According to one estimate, more than 16 percent of Americans suffer from depression severe enough to warrant treatment at some time in their lives, so there are likely scores or hundreds of NFL players who have suffered from depression. But Dawkins and Andrews are two of the few who have discussed it publicly.
"It's nothing to scoff at," Dawkins said. "The thing about it is we're held up as being these mighty people because we play this violent game, but at the end of the day, we have the same emotions as the average cat."
The Eagles did not respond publicly to Andrews' revelation about his depression. The team has said it considers Andrews' absence unexcused, meaning it could fine Andrews more than $15,000 for every day of camp he misses, which would total close to $200,000 for the time he has missed so far.
I'm not bashing the guy for getting help, I'm bashing him for using it as an excuse to take a vacation from his job. We've all got issues. Some of us more than others. But we manage to function as normal adults, hold down jobs. Function. If he's saying that his depression is so crippling that he can't work then he should retire. He's got the money to do it. Otherwise, I don't don't want to hear about it. It's a football team, not a farging healing circle.
I root for laundry.
Quote from: rjs246 on August 05, 2008, 08:54:43 AM
I'm not bashing the guy for getting help, I'm bashing him for using it as an excuse to take a vacation from his job. We've all got issues. Some of us more than others. But we manage to function as normal adults, hold down jobs. Function. If he's saying that his depression is so crippling that he can't work then he should retire. He's got the money to do it. Otherwise, I don't don't want to hear about it. It's a football team, not a farging healing circle.
I root for laundry.
If he was not in the right "mind" to come to camp, he couldn't and he SHOULDN'T have. If his depression WAS that crippling and he didn't get any help, I guarantee you he WOULD have retired. But he took the right steps to get better and get medication to help him be able to function in society and as part of a team.
if you have severe depression you cant even get out of bed much less go to an nfl training camp
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 05, 2008, 09:02:23 AM
If his depression WAS that crippling and he didn't get any help, I guarantee you he WOULD have shot himself in the face eventually.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 05, 2008, 09:02:23 AM
If he was not in the right "mind" to come to camp, he couldn't and he SHOULDN'T have. If his depression WAS that crippling and he didn't get any help, I guarantee you he WOULD have retired. But he took the right steps to get better and get medication to help him be able to function in society and as part of a team.
It's not that simple. Just because he is seeing a therapist...and or taking meds...does not mean he's "cured" and he can go back to skipping through a flowery football meadow. Clinical depression is not about just being sad for a few weeks. It actually has very little with being "sad" at all. It's a chemical imbalance, that in most cases be controlled, but not cured.
I would actually be surprised if he doesn't retire young. It's not like a broken bone, where in 6 weeks of rehab, he's all better.
And another note. It is disgusting to me that there is no mention of this on the eagles home page other than half a mention on some retarded practice blog, they should have already announced no fines, and that they are treating Andrews like they would treat any other player with a medical condition.
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 05, 2008, 09:05:32 AM
if you have severe depression you cant even get out of bed much less go to an nfl training camp
Word.
Folks are more concerned with trying to make a "cool" message board comment rather than actually considering that Andrews could be legit in his comments.
Depression doesn't sound as cool as a broken leg so it can't possibly be anything serious.
The problem is that if his depression is so severe that he can't attend training camp, he can't be trusted to be an anchor on the OL for years to come. What if he doesn't feel like playing football the morning of a playoff game?
Clinical depression is a real and serious problem, so I don't want the team banking on him.
ha, i love that in all the hideous comments people make on this board, some get their feathers ruffled for this issue? farg yourselves.
wah
The dude is farging with this team's chances to be good this year. That's all I care about. I'm terribly impressed that everyone is suddenly an expert on depression and mental health of millionaire athletes, but I don't give a shtein. I want this team to win something while I am still young enough to get drunk about it.
Players who cause trouble for the team, whether it's by Greg Lewis-ing all over the field, or by Terrell Owens-ing all over the locker room or by Shawn Andrews-ing all over training camp, get no love from me.
IGY is equating this stance to me trying to be some sort of tough guy. Which is a typical thought process for him. but that isn't the case. I just don't give a shtein about these players. They are young, wealthy and talented. They don't need my approval. If they deliver a championship to the team that I care about then I'll bow down and worship them in unholy ways for the rest of my life, but until that happens farg them and their dumbass idiosyncrasies.
Quote from: Wingspan on August 05, 2008, 09:17:42 AM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 05, 2008, 09:02:23 AM
If he was not in the right "mind" to come to camp, he couldn't and he SHOULDN'T have. If his depression WAS that crippling and he didn't get any help, I guarantee you he WOULD have retired. But he took the right steps to get better and get medication to help him be able to function in society and as part of a team.
It's not that simple. Just because he is seeing a therapist...and or taking meds...does not mean he's "cured" and he can go back to skipping through a flowery football meadow. Clinical depression is not about just being sad for a few weeks. It actually has very little with being "sad" at all. It's a chemical imbalance, that in most cases be controlled, but not cured.
I would actually be surprised if he doesn't retire young. It's not like a broken bone, where in 6 weeks of rehab, he's all better.
And another note. It is disgusting to me that there is no mention of this on the eagles home page other than half a mention on some retarded practice blog, they should have already announced no fines, and that they are treating Andrews like they would treat any other player with a medical condition.
I never said "cured", did I? I said come back to the team and function.
I know about it, my point was that if he can get it under control, that's fantastic. I know quite a few people who are back to their 'normal' selves now that they have found the medication that works for them.
I do also find it disgusting that the team is handling it this way. Way to make others aware of a terrible affliction and how it can affect ANYONE. Great opportunity to do the right thing.
Also, this is the second time that I've said 'whatever' to Andrews missing time rather than pulling out my hanky and crying for him, only to have the homer-brigade get their knickers in a twist about it. Why does everyone feel the need to adopt Andrews as their favorite child and defend him tooth and nail? Did he buy you all puppies? Is he married to your sisters? He's a nice guy who is a good football player, and that should be applauded, but ease off the jock for god's sake.
You know, it makes me giggle to think about what you guys seem to think makes someone 'tough' or 'cool'. Obviously, to you posting dissenting opinions on a message board means that I am trying desperately to be the alpha male around here. I couldn't possibly actually believe any of the things I say! It's all an act. I'm really just a big softy who wants everyone to be happy and try their best.
The best medicine for depression is pot so someone fly to whatever hick ass state he lives in and give him a farging joint.
Quote from: rjs246 on August 05, 2008, 09:35:00 AM
Also, this is the second time that I've said 'whatever' to Andrews missing time rather than pulling out my hanky and crying for him, only to have the homer-brigade get their knickers in a twist about it. Why does everyone feel the need to adopt Andrews as their favorite child and defend him tooth and nail? Did he buy you all puppies? Is he married to your sisters? He's a nice guy who is a good football player, and that should be applauded, but ease off the jock for god's sake.
You know, it makes me giggle to think about what you guys seem to think makes someone 'tough' or 'cool'. Obviously, to you posting dissenting opinions on a message board means that I am trying desperately to be the alpha male around here. I couldn't possibly actually believe any of the things I say! It's all an act. I'm really just a big softy who wants everyone to be happy and try their best.
I thought they were implying that you had a small penis.
Quote from: rjs246 on August 05, 2008, 09:35:00 AM
Also, this is the second time that I've said 'whatever' to Andrews missing time rather than pulling out my hanky and crying for him, only to have the homer-brigade get their knickers in a twist about it. Why does everyone feel the need to adopt Andrews as their favorite child and defend him tooth and nail? Did he buy you all puppies? Is he married to your sisters? He's a nice guy who is a good football player, and that should be applauded, but ease off the jock for god's sake.
You know, it makes me giggle to think about what you guys seem to think makes someone 'tough' or 'cool'. Obviously, to you posting dissenting opinions on a message board means that I am trying desperately to be the alpha male around here. I couldn't possibly actually believe any of the things I say! It's all an act. I'm really just a big softy who wants everyone to be happy and try their best.
it could be Considine or ANY Other player. It has nothing to do with Andrews.
And mpcmcgraw...are you like, 12 years old or something? zip it.
Quote from: rjs246 on August 05, 2008, 09:35:00 AM
Also, this is the second time that I've said 'whatever' to Andrews missing time rather than pulling out my hanky and crying for him, only to have the homer-brigade get their knickers in a twist about it. Why does everyone feel the need to adopt Andrews as their favorite child and defend him tooth and nail? Did he buy you all puppies? Is he married to your sisters? He's a nice guy who is a good football player, and that should be applauded, but ease off the jock for god's sake.
You know, it makes me giggle to think about what you guys seem to think makes someone 'tough' or 'cool'. Obviously, to you posting dissenting opinions on a message board means that I am trying desperately to be the alpha male around here. I couldn't possibly actually believe any of the things I say! It's all an act. I'm really just a big softy who wants everyone to be happy and try their best.
You post alot about not caring. Kinda like baseball.
What can I say. It helps the hours pass.
Quote from: mpmcgraw on August 05, 2008, 09:37:10 AM
I thought they were implying that you had a small penis.
Post of the year?
Quote from: EagleFeva on August 05, 2008, 09:19:28 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 05, 2008, 09:05:32 AM
if you have severe depression you cant even get out of bed much less go to an nfl training camp
Depression doesn't sound as cool as a broken leg so it can't possibly be anything serious.
absolutely....understanding is so key
shtein runs deep on my moms side of the family...i got lucky and got my pops genes...but my mother two uncles and my brother all have varying degress of depression and even being surrounded by it for my whole life i still am ignorant to the disease and it took me years and years to even understand it as much as i do now....lets just say i did and said some dumb ass shtein to my family because i was clueless as to the power of depression...it does some seriously crazy shtein to people
Way to put a downer on a very lively conversation, dude.
Quote from: rjs246 on August 05, 2008, 09:35:00 AM
Also, this is the second time that I've said 'whatever' to Andrews missing time rather than pulling out my hanky and crying for him, only to have the homer-brigade get their knickers in a twist about it. Why does everyone feel the need to adopt Andrews as their favorite child and defend him tooth and nail? Did he buy you all puppies? Is he married to your sisters? He's a nice guy who is a good football player, and that should be applauded, but ease off the jock for god's sake.
You know, it makes me giggle to think about what you guys seem to think makes someone 'tough' or 'cool'. Obviously, to you posting dissenting opinions on a message board means that I am trying desperately to be the alpha male around here. I couldn't possibly actually believe any of the things I say! It's all an act. I'm really just a big softy who wants everyone to be happy and try their best.
Exaggerating like hell.
All I'm saying is that people just want to dismiss his reasons for missing camp as nothing more than being lazy... that he should just "suck it up". That's just some ignorant shtein.... and it's got nothing to do with it being Andrews. Maybe I have someone a helluva lot closer to me than some football player I don't know who's dealing/dealt with this issue which makes me a little less likely to just write depression off as some sorry excuse.
But, hey... since we're talking about Andrews and he plays for the Eagles... I'm just swinging from his dick.
He SHOULDN'T suck it up. He should quit football to focus on his problem so that the team I root for is not counting on him.
Quote from: rjs246 on August 05, 2008, 09:35:00 AM
Also, this is the second time that I've said 'whatever' to Andrews missing time rather than pulling out my hanky and crying for him, only to have the homer-brigade get their knickers in a twist about it. Why does everyone feel the need to adopt Andrews as their favorite child and defend him tooth and nail? Did he buy you all puppies? Is he married to your sisters? He's a nice guy who is a good football player, and that should be applauded, but ease off the jock for god's sake.
You know, it makes me giggle to think about what you guys seem to think makes someone 'tough' or 'cool'. Obviously, to you posting dissenting opinions on a message board means that I am trying desperately to be the alpha male around here. I couldn't possibly actually believe any of the things I say!
its not about andrews...depression is way bigger than one football player...i have yet to even say that i think andrews has depression...but if he does its not the joke internet tough guys like you think it is...no one is saying you even have to care about him...i dont care about him anymore than i care about anyone who has depression but you also dont have to walk around sticking your bird chest out and acting like a douche
and even if youre this callous in real life and do believe everything you say there is no possible way you act like this in person to other people...at least i find that very hard to believe
Are we really bringing our personal familial experiences with depression into this conversation? Have we really regressed to the point where we're acting like ES'ers? An entire half of my family has issues with depression. I grew up dealing with that shtein. Do any of you care about that? You shouldn't. This is a FOOTBALL MESSAGE BOARD. I am here to root for a football team. If my football team's best lineman is missing time then he's farging with the team. I don't particularly care if the dude is depressed, has AIDS, or is missing his cock. If he isn't laying pavement for Westbrook to run on or keeping McNabb upright he means nothing to me. And he shouldn't mean anything to any of you. He doesn't know you or care about you. If you met him he would have nothing in common with any of you. He's been a world-class athlete for his entire life. He's been trained to do nothing but be an athlete. He's a millionaire and pro-bowler. He wouldn't be your friend. All of this fake weepiness is ridiculous.
Real life >>>> football, dude.
Get a grip.
Recap:
If Andrews has clinical depression, he should be pitied and applauded for standing up to his severe medical problem. Additionally, caring more about the Eagles doing well than his problem is callous.
If Andrews does not have clinical depression, he needs to close up his gaping vagina and play some damn football.
Do I have it right?
Funny how the Reid/Banner/etc "family" expect us to pity Britt and Garrett for their "personal demons" and "problems" but cannot address the seriousness of something like this.
Pathetic.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 05, 2008, 10:03:16 AM
Funny how the Reid/Banner/etc "family" expect us to pity Britt and Garrett for their "personal demons" and "problems" but cannot address the seriousness of something like this.
i would expect them to change their tune quickly if it is fact that andrews has serious depression issues...to be fair to the team we dont know what andrews has been saying up to this point...i mean we still dont know for certain what the deal is other than the andrews interview yesterday....that said they should at least pull back all fines for now
Andrews did say he was seeing the team doc today, right? Or did I misread that somewhere?
So far, it's Andrews saying Andrews has depression. No doctors, no clinics, not even a note from his mom.
Let's hold off on lynching the FO until real medical confirmation has been given. For all we know, Andrews is a fat lazy bastich not wanting to play, and depression is an easy excuse. It's not like there are x-rays.
Of course, it could be diagnosed, and we haven't heard that yet.
Either way, the conclusion jumping around here is ridiculous, ESPECIALLY for a CERTAIN poster that LIKES to get all CREAMY when people don't THINK they same as them.
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 05, 2008, 09:55:46 AM
and even if youre this callous in real life and do believe everything you say there is no possible way you act like this in person to other people...at least i find that very hard to believe
Are you implying that because I don't know Shawn Andrews and don't feel emotionally attached to him that I am not allowed to express any negative opinion about him?
Of course I wouldn't be callous about the man's psychological state to his face. Here are the reasons:
1. He weighs 160 pounds more than I do and can bench press a house. I'm not trying to die.
2. I was raised to express my opinion in appropriate company (ie ranting about a player farging with my team on a message board) and was raised to be polite and courteous and keep my opinions to myself in different company (ie not expressing every thought I have in front of a person you don't know or care about).
3. I'm not a cold hearted monster. I'm not trying to push the dude over the edge. If I met/knew the dude maybe I'd take a shine to him and would care. Currently, I don't care.
4. See bullet point #1.
...
17,465. IGY and Feva think it's being mean.
Adults understand that there are places where it is appropriate to express opinions and there are places where you should keep your mouth shut for everyone's sake. Who knew that this message board would suddenly turn all sensitive about something. I'll be sure to coddle Andrews' balls in the future so no one gets upset.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 05, 2008, 10:00:49 AM
Real life >>>> football, dude.
Get a grip.
Ah ha! And here's exactly what I'm talking about. Why are you mixing the two? I'm not here to talk about real life. Real life is full of trials and tribulations. I'm here to talk about football and how much I hate Munson. It's a farging internet message board for farg's sake.
If this thread were self-aware, it would have killed itself by now.
i don't have a thorough understanding of clinical depression...and i don't want one.
all i want is for andrews to play RT at a pro bowl level & be a player the eagles can count on.
and yes, message boards are really important.
So, to recap:
-Andrews has depression, serious enough to affect his ability to work.\
-The Eagles are fining him for a medical condition, which will bring the ACLU down on there ass like a shteinstorm.
-The Eagles are counting on a guy who can't get out of bed his brain's so farged up to anchor the line for the next 10 years.
-If this were due to a concussion, they'd make him retire, like Lindros. And this, while not physical damage, isn't really any different.
Remember that OL from Oakland, who disappeared the day before the SB, then killed some people in Florida? Boy oh boy, can't wait for that to happen. Just cut his ass and get it over with.
Quote from: rjs246 on August 05, 2008, 10:14:31 AM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 05, 2008, 10:00:49 AM
Real life >>>> football, dude.
Get a grip.
Ah ha! And here's exactly what I'm talking about. Why are you mixing the two? I'm not here to talk about real life. Real life is full of trials and tribulations. I'm here to talk about football and how much I hate Munson. It's a farging internet message board for farg's sake.
you cant love to continuously say how youre exactly like this in real life then say youre not here to talk about real life
Quote from: rjs246 on August 05, 2008, 10:10:58 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 05, 2008, 09:55:46 AM
and even if youre this callous in real life and do believe everything you say there is no possible way you act like this in person to other people...at least i find that very hard to believe
2. I was raised to express my opinion in appropriate company (ie ranting about a player farging with my team on a message board) and was raised to be polite and courteous and keep my opinions to myself in different company (ie not expressing every thought I have in front of a person you don't know or care about).
Adults understand that there are places where it is appropriate to express opinions and there are places where you should keep your mouth shut for everyone's sake.
absolutely all im saying is your mouth is shut a lot less on the internet than it is in "real life"...which is cool and applies to many people...just dont try so hard to tell everyone how youre exactly like this off the computer and dont get all emo when not everuyone walks in line behind your callous ignorance on certain matters
everyone isnt
always gonna be down with not being sypathetic to certain diseases (depression) or making fun of people who died (sean taylor)
i just love the hypocrisy of having a 'Good Riddance' thread on this board where PG, IGY, and many more celebrate the deaths of people who have love ones in "real life" but we're supposed to be caring and understanding in this thread because Shawn Andrews has a condition.
farging hypocrites.
Let's put it in football terms for those who can't get their heads out of their jocks:
* Andrews believes that he has a serious medical condition and is having it evaluated.
* The medical condition can be treated and controlled just like diabetes - once you figure out how to treat it, the person can function normally.
* The FO is skeptical about the diagnosis, and want to consult the team doctor. I suspect that the doctor(s) treating Andrews will be consulted, and that the medication he is on will be cleared.
* Andrews will probably be back within a week, he won't start (but will play) for the first couple of weeks, then everything will be back to normal.
shockingly the WIP morning show thinks the story is BS and wants to know why stories from 2005-2007 are suddenly affecting him right as training camp starts
Quote from: rjs246 on August 05, 2008, 09:59:28 AM
Are we really bringing our personal familial experiences with depression into this conversation? Have we really regressed to the point where we're acting like ES'ers? An entire half of my family has issues with depression. I grew up dealing with that shtein. Do any of you care about that? You shouldn't. This is a FOOTBALL MESSAGE BOARD. I am here to root for a football team. If my football team's best lineman is missing time then he's farging with the team. I don't particularly care if the dude is depressed, has AIDS, or is missing his cock. If he isn't laying pavement for Westbrook to run on or keeping McNabb upright he means nothing to me. And he shouldn't mean anything to any of you. He doesn't know you or care about you. If you met him he would have nothing in common with any of you. He's been a world-class athlete for his entire life. He's been trained to do nothing but be an athlete. He's a millionaire and pro-bowler. He wouldn't be your friend. All of this fake weepiness is ridiculous.
farging salient.
Wow 15 pages of nonsense about a situation no one actually knows enough about to comment upon. Gotta love the offseason.
Quote from: SunMo on August 05, 2008, 10:26:05 AM
i just love the hypocrisy of having a 'Good Riddance' thread on this board where PG, IGY, and many more celebrate the deaths of people who have love ones in "real life" but we're supposed to be caring and understanding in this thread because Shawn Andrews has a condition.
farging hypocrites.
Winner.
Quote from: SunMo on August 05, 2008, 10:26:05 AM
i just love the hypocrisy of having a 'Good Riddance' thread on this board where PG, IGY, and many more celebrate the deaths of people who have love ones in "real life" but we're supposed to be caring and understanding in this thread because Shawn Andrews has a condition.
farging hypocrites.
pretty sure the good riddance thread is for horrible people who died...i rarely if ever post in there and when i have its been about someone who did over the top horrible things to people in their life
im not against people voicing their opinions on things like this just dont always expect that everyone is gouing to go along with you just because its the internet
im pretty sure at the time you were very sympathetic to and not down with making fun of the depressed father from souderton or wherever who capped his wife in front of his two sons
different strokes for different folks
but you are against people voicing their opinions because you're telling people they shouldn't joke around about it. just like you were telling people they shouldn't joke around about Sean Taylor. you may say different strokes, but you don't mean it.
where did i ever say that no one should voice their opinion
not in those words, but you chastised people for making jokes about ST and the same thing here.
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 05, 2008, 10:24:41 AM
absolutely all im saying is your mouth is shut a lot less on the internet than it is in "real life"...which is cool and applies to many people...just dont try so hard to tell everyone how youre exactly like this off the computer and dont get all emo when not everuyone walks in line behind your callous ignorance on certain matters
Of course my mouth is shut a lot more in real life. I don't really want to spend every waking second fending off angry strangers and passers by. I've always held my own in fights, but have never had to fend off a mob of people and don't think I'd last long if I did.
I don't want or expect everyone to agree with me. I'm just dumbfounded when the CF masses suddenly get a bug in their ass about a certain topic when essentially everything else is fair game. You're normally the king of "I just care about what's good for the team" thinking, but now suddenly you're concerned about me mouthing off about a player missing time for depression?
Quote from: MadMarchHare on August 05, 2008, 10:24:38 AM
So, to recap:
-Andrews has depression, serious enough to affect his ability to work.\
-The Eagles are fining him for a medical condition, which will bring the ACLU down on there ass like a shteinstorm.
-The Eagles are counting on a guy who can't get out of bed his brain's so farged up to anchor the line for the next 10 years.
-If this were due to a concussion, they'd make him retire, like Lindros. And this, while not physical damage, isn't really any different.
Remember that OL from Oakland, who disappeared the day before the SB, then killed some people in Florida? Boy oh boy, can't wait for that to happen. Just cut his ass and get it over with.
The dude from Oakland clearly didn't have control of his depression and not all people with clinical depression go on killing sprees. But fee free to generalize. :yay
OH NOES Cat Fight
Quote from: BigEd76 on August 05, 2008, 10:27:16 AM
shockingly the WIP morning show thinks the story is BS and wants to know why stories from 2005-2007 are suddenly affecting him right as training camp starts
Because events from the past NEVER haunt someone later in life.
WIP should be destroyed for its idiocy.
Quote from: rjs246 on August 05, 2008, 09:59:28 AM
Are we really bringing our personal familial experiences with depression into this conversation? Have we really regressed to the point where we're acting like ES'ers? An entire half of my family has issues with depression. I grew up dealing with that shtein. Do any of you care about that? You shouldn't. This is a FOOTBALL MESSAGE BOARD. I am here to root for a football team. If my football team's best lineman is missing time then he's farging with the team. I don't particularly care if the dude is depressed, has AIDS, or is missing his cock. If he isn't laying pavement for Westbrook to run on or keeping McNabb upright he means nothing to me. And he shouldn't mean anything to any of you. He doesn't know you or care about you. If you met him he would have nothing in common with any of you. He's been a world-class athlete for his entire life. He's been trained to do nothing but be an athlete. He's a millionaire and pro-bowler. He wouldn't be your friend. All of this fake weepiness is ridiculous.
I'm sure everyone on this board has dealt with some type of depression whether it be a family member, friend, or personally. I find it hilarious that people would rush to Andrews defense and call other people 'misinformed'. When did this become ES? I think I speak for every Eagles fan that we're all rooting for him to get help and get better.
The problem I have is the timing of this whole thing. It's pretty obvious none of the players want to go through Andy's hellacious camp, so right before Andrews is due to get off his offseason ass and get going he doesn't show and says he has a 'personal problem'. And instead of clearing that personal problem up and telling the team he's depressed, he keeps them in the dark and lets the entire world speculate on what his problem is. Pride my ass, I'd rather the world know I was depressed than have them start rumors of me being gay or have Aids. If this had happened in April - different story. If I had skipped work in the Navy for 3 weeks then showed up and said I was just depressed they would have thrown my ass in the brig.
You're assuming that Andrews was in the right state of mind. Finding out what is wrong with you and knowing you are "labeled" as depressed can't be easy to handle. Comign to terms with it isn't something that just comes quickly.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on August 04, 2008, 05:33:55 PM
Quote from: Munson on August 04, 2008, 05:23:48 PM
Haha it's almost a given those negative comments he read online were from this website :-D
We can make it like ES:
Shawn
I know that you're sad and feeling helpless, but just know that your extended family is here to support you. We know that you'll get over this in no time and be running through D-lineman on your way to the Pro Bowl. Best wishes on a speedy recovery!
SD/Mike
You forgot to leave you phone number, "in case he needs anything"
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 05, 2008, 10:43:49 AM
Quote from: BigEd76 on August 05, 2008, 10:27:16 AM
shockingly the WIP morning show thinks the story is BS and wants to know why stories from 2005-2007 are suddenly affecting him right as training camp starts
Because events from the past NEVER haunt someone later in life.
WIP should be destroyed for its idiocy.
I tuned in this morning just to hear that crap spewing out of Angelo and company, but as usual it was just them trying to Shock people into listening and getting people riled up
Quote from: SunMo on August 05, 2008, 10:42:15 AM
not in those words, but you chastised people for making jokes about ST and the same thing here.
i did not ever say one thing about people making jokes about sean taylor i said it wasnt for me to joke about it before the body was even cold...i did however say it was wrong of the people who were gleeful that he died and said shtein like he deserved it because he was a "thug" or because he was "stupid" or because he didnt have his alarm on or a gun in his room
like i said people can say whatever they want its free speech...but be prepared that when dropping ignorance not everyone is always gonna be down with it
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 05, 2008, 10:48:37 AM
You're assuming that Andrews was in the right state of mind. Finding out what is wrong with you and knowing you are "labeled" as depressed can't be easy to handle. Comign to terms with it isn't something that just comes quickly.
Apparently it waits till right before training camp. What a coincedence.
Quote from: paco on August 05, 2008, 10:48:54 AM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on August 04, 2008, 05:33:55 PM
Quote from: Munson on August 04, 2008, 05:23:48 PM
Haha it's almost a given those negative comments he read online were from this website :-D
We can make it like ES:
Shawn
I know that you're sad and feeling helpless, but just know that your extended family is here to support you. We know that you'll get over this in no time and be running through D-lineman on your way to the Pro Bowl. Best wishes on a speedy recovery!
SD/Mike
You forgot to leave you phone number, "in case he needs anything"
Homesick mama's boy :)
Quote from: SD_Eagle on August 05, 2008, 10:47:03 AM
Quote from: rjs246 on August 05, 2008, 09:59:28 AM
Are we really bringing our personal familial experiences with depression into this conversation? Have we really regressed to the point where we're acting like ES'ers? An entire half of my family has issues with depression. I grew up dealing with that shtein. Do any of you care about that? You shouldn't. This is a FOOTBALL MESSAGE BOARD. I am here to root for a football team. If my football team's best lineman is missing time then he's farging with the team. I don't particularly care if the dude is depressed, has AIDS, or is missing his cock. If he isn't laying pavement for Westbrook to run on or keeping McNabb upright he means nothing to me. And he shouldn't mean anything to any of you. He doesn't know you or care about you. If you met him he would have nothing in common with any of you. He's been a world-class athlete for his entire life. He's been trained to do nothing but be an athlete. He's a millionaire and pro-bowler. He wouldn't be your friend. All of this fake weepiness is ridiculous.
I'm sure everyone on this board has dealt with some type of depression whether it be a family member, friend, or personally. I find it hilarious that people would rush to Andrews defense and call other people 'misinformed'. When did this become ES? I think I speak for every Eagles fan that we're all rooting for him to get help and get better.
The problem I have is the timing of this whole thing. It's pretty obvious none of the players want to go through Andy's hellacious camp, so right before Andrews is due to get off his offseason ass and get going he doesn't show and says he has a 'personal problem'. And instead of clearing that personal problem up and telling the team he's depressed, he keeps them in the dark and lets the entire world speculate on what his problem is. Pride my ass, I'd rather the world know I was depressed than have them start rumors of me being gay or have Aids. If this had happened in April - different story. If I had skipped work in the Navy for 3 weeks then showed up and said I was just depressed they would have thrown my ass in the brig.
pretty sure if you go back and read the thread no one has defended andrews but rather clear up misnomers about the disease itself...youll find more people saying andrews is a waste douchebag who is hurting the team by making up a fake problem than people who are "hanging by his jock"
i said several times i dont even know if hes depressed...at the same time im not gonna kill the guy because if he does have a serious depression problem then that aint no joke...shtein i even defended the front office
Someone just hold me and tell me Andrews will have another pro bowl year for the Eagles....
No.
Quote from: Phanatic on August 05, 2008, 11:04:16 AM
Someone just hold me and tell me Andrews will have another pro bowl year for the Eagles....
If he does make the probowl, will he have another gun pulled on him, and will that make him not want to make the pro bowl?
Damn... your bringing me down...
Quote from: BigEd76 on July 29, 2008, 06:23:11 PMget your meds and get your ass to Lehigh
Is there really more to say than that?
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= Athlete.
Quote from: paco on August 05, 2008, 10:48:54 AM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on August 04, 2008, 05:33:55 PM
Quote from: Munson on August 04, 2008, 05:23:48 PM
Haha it's almost a given those negative comments he read online were from this website :-D
We can make it like ES:
Shawn
I know that you're sad and feeling helpless, but just know that your extended family is here to support you. We know that you'll get over this in no time and be running through D-lineman on your way to the Pro Bowl. Best wishes on a speedy recovery!
SD/Mike
You forgot to leave you phone number, "in case he needs anything"
I just spit water all over my screen. Happy birthday, assface.
If the guy has depression and its documented, any fines should be donated to an appropriate charity that helps people with similar problems.
Quote from: Butchers Bill on August 05, 2008, 12:28:25 PM
If the guy has depression and its documented, any fines should be donated to an appropriate charity that helps people with similar problems.
They could hire strippers for the parking lots for after home losses, that would make a lot of depressed fans happy.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on August 05, 2008, 12:41:03 PM
Quote from: Butchers Bill on August 05, 2008, 12:28:25 PM
If the guy has depression and its documented, any fines should be donated to an appropriate charity that helps people with similar problems.
They could hire strippers for the parking lots for after home losses, that would make a lot of depressed fans happy.
Well, with your ticket stub you can still get into the Fantasy Showbar in Mt. Emphraim for free. The place used to be a lot better but what the hell...free ass.
ass is never free, son
Quote from: Butchers Bill on August 05, 2008, 12:43:09 PM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on August 05, 2008, 12:41:03 PM
Quote from: Butchers Bill on August 05, 2008, 12:28:25 PM
If the guy has depression and its documented, any fines should be donated to an appropriate charity that helps people with similar problems.
They could hire strippers for the parking lots for after home losses, that would make a lot of depressed fans happy.
Well, with your ticket stub you can still get into the Fantasy Showbar in Mt. Emphraim for free. The place used to be a lot better but what the hell...free ass.
That place is legendary, I'm pretty sure that was the first strip club half this board went too.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on August 05, 2008, 12:48:13 PM
That place is legendary, I'm pretty sure that was the first strip club half this board went too.
Definitely my first. My boy got us kicked out for putting his finger too close to the girl's butthole during the shower show.
Quote from: phattymatty on August 05, 2008, 12:50:13 PM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on August 05, 2008, 12:48:13 PM
That place is legendary, I'm pretty sure that was the first strip club half this board went too.
Definitely my first. My boy got us kicked out for putting his finger too close to the girl's butthole during the shower show.
no shtein, same exact thing happened to my buddy. $10 to rub lotion on her ass and he slides his finger in her hole. I probably would have done the same thing.
Stripper molesting aside, I've come up with a new rule for the NFL. Once a month every player must meet with an NFL-approved shrink for one hour. If the doctor says they're not too farged up, they're good for another month. If the doctor says they're too farged up, they get an uppaid week off and have to start seeing a shrink regularly. You miss your appointment with the doctor, you get another unpaid week off.
That idea could totally get some traction with the NFLPA. I'm sure they'll be cool with it.
The NFLPA isn't allowed to make any more decisions until they sit down with a shrink and come out with a clean bill of mental health.
Quote from: rjs246 on August 05, 2008, 09:59:28 AM
Are we really bringing our personal familial experiences with depression into this conversation? Have we really regressed to the point where we're acting like ES'ers? An entire half of my family has issues with depression. I grew up dealing with that shtein. Do any of you care about that? You shouldn't. This is a FOOTBALL MESSAGE BOARD. I am here to root for a football team. If my football team's best lineman is missing time then he's farging with the team. I don't particularly care if the dude is depressed, has AIDS, or is missing his cock. If he isn't laying pavement for Westbrook to run on or keeping McNabb upright he means nothing to me. And he shouldn't mean anything to any of you. He doesn't know you or care about you. If you met him he would have nothing in common with any of you. He's been a world-class athlete for his entire life. He's been trained to do nothing but be an athlete. He's a millionaire and pro-bowler. He wouldn't be your friend. All of this fake weepiness is ridiculous.
I don't think the topic has gotten overly sappy or weepy. I think people were just being frank in the fact that Andrews simply can't "get over it" and come to camp. That is just a fact for some people with clinical depression.
But I kinda see what you are saying in the other half. Obviously, I'd never want to see anything bad happen to Andrews... or any Eagle for that matter. But if something did happen, am I going to fall to my knees and burst into tears? No. I'll feel bad about it, but I'm not going to break down crying. I don't even know the guy and never met him.
But I think everyone cares so much, not just for his health, but
because everyone here wants to see the Eagles win and Andrews gives us the best shot to win, when he is anchoring that offensive line. The sooner Andrews gets better, the sooner we stop worrying about the offensive line. Also, the sooner we can stop reading about this BS and just get back to football and the actual game.
farg Andrews and his Ricky Williams cuckoo timing.
Finally the voice of reason
Andrews was on Mike Miss's show this afternoon, stole this recap from a credible person on the EMB:
Quote
That dude is DEPRESSED.
To sum things up, in case you didn't hear:
He's in Arkansas right now.
A doctor has him on an Anti-Depressant, which he starting taking last week.
He said it may take up to a few weeks for it to take effect, since he's a bit larger then average person.
He said he understands that Max has been playing his butt off in practice and that he would understand being benched if he came back now.
He said he hasn't talked to Andy Reid since last week.
He said he thinks his depression stems from events in his past, including a vague reference to being "piled on" in 1st grade (possibly 3rd grade, I don't recall which grade exactly he stated) on the playground by other kids, to being talked about through his school years and a few other vague events.
He spoke in a very low and somber tone the entire interview.
Although he did not come out and say it plainly, when asked about how the Eagles are treating him, he made repeated references about the daily fine he's receiving. But he also stated the money is meaningless compared to his mental state and he's looking at the fine as a business-only decision by the Eagles.
He said he doesn't want to rush coming back for fear of hurting himself or his teammates.
He said his doctor will have the final word on when he returns to the team.
He also said he loves football and that it's his main passion in life; however, he also reaffirmed that he would not sacrifice his own personal health to play football.
He also said that he declined the Eagles' provided offer for a medical professional, because he feared the stigma that might arise in a big town like Philly. So he sought his own help in Arkansas, where he could maintain a lower media profile.
Correct me if I am wrong, but last year wasn't one of Andrews' best. I wouldn't say he regressed, but the question now is, if he does come back, is his heart in it?
I don't think he should necessarily have his spot handed back to him. Supposedly MJG has looked really good in camp, and he should have a chance to compete based on the work he's put in this camp.
Oh no. Imagine someone being picked on in elementary school. How would you ever recover from that? I'm just glad that he's taking care of himself and getting treatment for this terrible affliction.
Quote from: rjs246 on August 05, 2008, 05:33:55 PM
Oh no. Imagine someone being picked on in elementary school. How would you ever recover from that? I'm just glad that he's taking care of himself and getting treatment for this terrible affliction.
Imagine being picked on in Elementary school/Jr. High/ High School. Now imagine growing up and becoming a celebrity millionaire...I'm pretty sure I'd be shteinting on those people.
or you forget about them and move on with life like 99% of us did
Thanks Ed.
youre born with clinical depression...its hereditary...being picked on wouldnt be why he has it but it could be what triggered it
People with clinical depression don't think logically, so I doubt he can just forget about it. That possibility probably never entered his logic.
Quote from: King Cole on August 05, 2008, 07:32:12 PM
People with clinical depression don't think logically, so I doubt he can just forget about it. That possibility probably never entered his logic.
You clearly have no idea what clinical depression is.
I have an idea, but the doctors really know and that is almost word for word what one said today on Daily News Live.
Take it up with him.
SOMEBODY GIVE THE BIG KID A HUG ALREADY BEFORE HE KILLS HIMSELF!
Either that or a contract extension. Whatever.
Quote from: Rome on August 05, 2008, 07:41:46 PM
SOMEBODY GIVE THE BIG KID A HUG ALREADY BEFORE HE KILLS HIMSELF!
Either that or a contract extension. Whatever.
We should give him 25 million reasons not to be depressed?
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I'm depressed because my teams starting pro-bowl o-lineman isn't in camp.
I need medication, more than usual.
Quote from: shorebird on August 05, 2008, 09:57:51 PM
I'm depressed because my teams starting pro-bowl o-lineman isn't in camp.
I need medication, more than usual.
A. MEN.
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he was on Eskin yesterday and did sound faggy
He said on Eskin yesterday that he spoke to Reid yesterday. He didn't say what they talked about but the thing about not talking to Reid since last week isn't true.
that's what he told missanelli...i heard it too
Andrews is depressed because he's been riding around in his SUV with the tires at 20 psi., about 15 lbs. low.
Been wasting a lot of gas.
Quote from: shorebird on August 06, 2008, 05:49:40 PM
Andrews is depressed because he's been riding around in his SUV with the tires at 20 psi., about 15 lbs. low.
Been wasting a lot of gas.
Why do your posts seem so ironic to me when I see Jerome Brown in your avatar pic?
Because Jerome was funny?
I dunno'. Why don't you tell me.
You are, as Dio puts it, immortalizing someone who drove recklessly and did something stupid and killed himself and a young boy. But at the same time, you're ridiculing Andrews for having depression but doing something about it.
It just seems very backwards....I cant explain how.
Bring it home for Shawn
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 06, 2008, 05:56:13 PM
You are, as Dio puts it, immortalizing someone who drove recklessly and did something stupid and killed himself and a young boy. But at the same time, you're ridiculing Andrews for having depression but doing something about it.
It just seems very backwards....I cant explain how.
I see what your saying when you put it like that. I don't really mean much against Andrews. It was more a dig at you know who.
I loved Jerome. When he died, well, I probably wasn't anywere near as depressed as Andrews seems, but it hit hard.
I was just joking. I guess it's not a joking matter.
Jerome was young living the good life. What he did was stupid and totally irresponsible, but I can't bring myself to think bad of him overall, as a man. And believe me, on the field, there was no one any more the man. Same as with Shawn.
There are two ways to look at this:
Brown wasn't a whining pvssy and Andrews evidently is.
- Or -
One might mock Brown for killing himself and his future criminal of a nephew/cousin/whatever, though, because death, especially when it's random and tragic is always mock-worthy.
Does that help?
Or we can mock everything and get on with the day.
The internet is serious business.
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How is remembering a dead star player even remotely at odds with poking fun at a living player that skipped training camp and is endangering the success of today's Eagles?
I know that the likes of PG and IGY are cuckoo over Cocoa Puffs when it comes to the serious business of clinical depression, but what the farg? How are we even giving any credence to that point of view at all?
Andrews needs to get better or quit. The EEOC may get a say in NFL coaching, but the players still have to be the best possible for their teams. If not? Bye. Take some time off to get yourself back on track and play some farging football.
Jerome Brown played big and died big. Shawn Andrews decided to come out of his depressive shell right at the start of training camp, and we're supposed to hold him in high regard just like some of us hold Jerome Brown as a football player?
How about you pansies make me an avatar with Shawn downing some Zanax or Prozac or some shtein, and I'll go ahead and display that somebitch for all to see? Thanks in advance.
Christ.
I like my response better. I like yours and all, but come on - They Live? Obey??
That shtein is classic, yo.
It's beyond ridiculous at this point, so anything that points that out in any way is classic. But mostly the pic you just posted of John Vukovich's widow is most definitely classic.
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HIT HIT HIT
Quote from: FastFreddie on August 06, 2008, 07:37:40 PM
How is remembering a dead star player even remotely at odds with poking fun at a living player that skipped training camp and is endangering the success of today's Eagles?
I know that the likes of PG and IGY are cuckoo over Cocoa Puffs when it comes to the serious business of clinical depression, but what the farg? How are we even giving any credence to that point of view at all?
Andrews needs to get better or quit. The EEOC may get a say in NFL coaching, but the players still have to be the best possible for their teams. If not? Bye. Take some time off to get yourself back on track and play some farging football.
Jerome Brown played big and died big. Shawn Andrews decided to come out of his depressive shell right at the start of training camp, and we're supposed to hold him in high regard just like some of us hold Jerome Brown as a football player?
How about you pansies make me an avatar with Shawn downing some Zanax or Prozac or some shtein, and I'll go ahead and display that somebitch for all to see? Thanks in advance.
Christ.
Your welcome.
QuoteReid also addressed the situation of Pro Bowl guard Shawn Andrews, who still has yet to report to training camp. In several published reports, Andrews has said he is battling depression.
Reid said Andrews' focus should be to get his life back on track before thinking about football.
"It's a personal situation," Reid said. "That's what it is, and we're working with him on it. There's a personal side to things, and you've got to take care of business and that's what he's doing right now."
link (http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=15810)
Quote from: FastFreddie on August 07, 2008, 07:11:20 PM
QuoteReid also addressed the situation of Pro Bowl guard Shawn Andrews, who still has yet to report to training camp. In several published reports, Andrews has said he is battling depression.
Reid said Andrews' focus should be to get his life back on track before thinking about football.
"It's a personal situation," Reid said. "That's what it is, and we're working with him on it. There's a personal side to things, and you've got to take care of business and that's what he's doing right now."
link (http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=15810)
This coming from Andy Reid of all people. :-D
ha...yeah i saw that yesterday
Quote from: General_Failure on August 06, 2008, 07:12:57 PM
Or we can mock everything and get on with the day.
I think this should be a staple of every thread.
We can only mock the clinically depressed if they happen to also be a part of middle America or they're Canucks.
what about middle canadians?
per NFL on Sirius, Andrews has been cleared by his doctor to resume football. According to the DN, he should be back on Sunday.
either he doesnt have clinical depression
or this is not gonna end well
because theres no way he could have been that depressed saw a doctor just last week and now is coming back to play football
If you know anyone who's been on the meds, apparently he waited until what 2 weeks ago to get help. If you assume he's been on meds since then, then he's about right where they start kicking in. Im still going with the Big Fruit angle.
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on August 08, 2008, 04:05:20 PM
Im still going with the Big Fruit angle.
That's wishful thinking on your part, isn't it?
for hardcore depression they take up to two months to fully kick in
but its also not about just the meds...its about changing your entire lifestyle to accomodate the depression...things that help you make sure you take every last dosage
granted theres so much grey area when it comes to depression and its different effects on people its not even worth getting into when you have no idea what his type is
but its safe to say theres no chance any doctor would send him off to the nfl this quickly after diagnosing him with a serious case of depression
i'm still willing to give him the benefit of the doubt that it's legit, the timing of him coming back is awful shady
The idea of going to an Andy Reid-run training camp made him "depressed."
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 08, 2008, 04:25:17 PM
granted theres so much grey area when it comes to depression and its different effects on people its not even worth getting into when you have no idea what his type is
but its safe to say theres no chance any doctor would send him off to the nfl this quickly after diagnosing him with a serious case of depression
The first paragraph is true... the second less so. We don't really know anything about Andrews' current condition. He could be functioning pretty well, or he could be bedridden. We don't know if or how his eating, sleeping, etc have been affected.
I worked through a major depressive episode about 8 years ago, while I received treatment. My mind wasn't really on my task, but I got my work done adequately.
I wouldn't be surprised if there were depressed players in the NFL who never tell anyone about their problems and never receive any treatment.
im talking about the long term kind of depression where you cant physically get out of bed...are crying 20 hrs a day...paranoid delusions ect...all the things andrews has described in his life...
hes been in a deep depression for over a year
it has progressively gotten worse
so he finally sees a doctor for the first time YESTERDAY
and is gonna play football in less than 48 hrs??
no way...something doesnt add up
That fat fruitcake would be pushing sleds up and down the field until he passed out, puked, or died if I was the coach.
There's no room in the NFL for weakness and as strong as he is physically, he's as weak as a dixie cup mentally.
He's kind of like a "big kid" in that way.
Quote from: Rome on August 08, 2008, 04:48:37 PM
That fat fruitcake would be pushing sleds up and down the field until he passed out, puked, or died if I was the coach.
There's no room in the NFL for weakness and as strong as he is physically, he's as weak as a dixie cup mentally.
fargin A dewd....raaaaaaaah....suicide is for pussssie cowards....bash brothers forearm into a chest bump!!!!...yeah brahhhhhhhhhhh
At least Shawn isn't afraid to get on a plane, like Madden or that other guy.
can you bring coolers of liquor and beer onto a plane?
Quote from: Rome on August 08, 2008, 04:48:37 PM
That fat fruitcake would be pushing sleds up and down the field until he passed out, puked, or died if I was the coach.
There's no room in the NFL for weakness and as strong as he is physically, he's as weak as a dixie cup mentally.
My 2 year old is more mature than this.
you had a kid? and i wasnt invited to the bris? WHAT
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 08, 2008, 04:57:51 PM
Quote from: Rome on August 08, 2008, 04:48:37 PM
That fat fruitcake would be pushing sleds up and down the field until he passed out, puked, or died if I was the coach.
There's no room in the NFL for weakness and as strong as he is physically, he's as weak as a dixie cup mentally.
My 2 year old is more mature than this.
Because, clearly, how seriously you take the Shawn Andrews issue is an excellent indicator of maturity.
Slow your roll.
Quote from: MDS on August 08, 2008, 05:17:25 PM
you had a kid? and i wasnt invited to the bris? WHAT
To make up for it, I'll invite you to my son's bris. Only, I'm not Jewish and have no son. But those are just technicalities, friend.
Its not how seriously I take it, its how ridiculously immature Rome is in discussing it.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 08, 2008, 04:57:51 PM
Quote from: Rome on August 08, 2008, 04:48:37 PM
That fat fruitcake would be pushing sleds up and down the field until he passed out, puked, or died if I was the coach.
There's no room in the NFL for weakness and as strong as he is physically, he's as weak as a dixie cup mentally.
My 2 year old is more mature than this.
Your kid's two already? How time flies.
Quote from: FastFreddie on August 08, 2008, 05:46:06 PMI have a serious fetish for 21 year old college kids who post on the same internet message board as i do
I don't give two shteins...he's back on the field.
Stone cold crazy...or not, whatever. He's back. Maybe his depression will cause him to kill someone on the field.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 08, 2008, 05:53:26 PM
Its not how seriously I take it, its how ridiculously immature Rome is in discussing it.
It's better that your combined ages are like 80, and there's a discussion about "maturity."
Quote from: Rome on August 08, 2008, 04:48:37 PM
That fat fruitcake would be pushing sleds up and down the field until he passed out, puked, or died if I was the coach.
There's no room in the NFL for weakness and as strong as he is physically, he's as weak as a dixie cup mentally.
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"Mercy is for the weak. We do not train to be merciful, here."
You're the second person this week I've seen quoting that.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 08, 2008, 04:57:51 PM
My 2 year old is more mature than this.
Awe. Someone's upset because I'm having fun mocking a millionaire athlete.
And LOL at the maturity comment. Are you serious? You want a mature discussion about clinical depression? Really?? On CF??
Hahaha. Get over yourself, PG.
Andrews a no show today (http://www.philly.com/philly/hp/news_update/Andrews_a_no-show.html)
Reid says he'll address the situation after practice
Put him out of his misery.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on August 10, 2008, 11:02:35 AM
Andrews a no show today (http://www.philly.com/philly/hp/news_update/Andrews_a_no-show.html)
Reid says he'll address the situation after practice
mis leading title and/or lack of information by the writer..."no show" insinuates that he was supposed to show up and didnt...but it doesnt say anywhere in his story whether andy reid knew he wasnt gonna come...whether he called in....ect...
Quote from: FastFreddie on August 10, 2008, 01:01:56 PM
Put him out of his misery.
Depression is a serious matter and shouldn't be taken lightly.
chest puffing and screamin to the world about how much you dont care is more serious
You're so sensitive.
I'm serious. I had a complete change of heart about this issue. I think making light of someone who's clearly mentally unbalanced is a zesty thing to do.
QuoteSunday, August 10, 2008
ANDREWS ON HIS WAY
Shawn Andrews was not on the practice field this morning as the Eagles resumed training camp at Lehigh University , but coach Andy Reid said afterward that the two-time Pro Bowl guard was expected to arrive at some point today.
"I'm not sure exactly when, but we'll get him up here and I'll have a chance to talk to him and see how he's doing and where he's at," Reid said.
The coach added that Andrews would not practice today or tomorrow.
"I want to see him first before I made any judgments," Reid said. "I know he's been working out, but I just want to sit down and talk to him face to face and make sure everything is set up for him here so he can be successful."
Reid indicated that he would take things slowly with Andrews' return.
"(Conditioning) is important," Reid said. "I'm going to gradually feed him back in and I just want to see how he's doing. That's my primary focus right now."
Reid said he had an extensive conversation with Andrews Saturday.
"He wants to come back," Reid said. "I know there is some apprehension there, but I know he wants to come back and get back going and back up here with the guys."
Ok, fine. Let him live.
It's funny that the drama queen is the one accusing anyone of chest puffing. It's much more the other way around.
he's back and on the PUP list. To make room they got rid of OT Dun*a*
Quote from: FastFreddie on August 10, 2008, 01:42:11 PM
Ok, fine. Let him live.
It's funny that the drama queen is the one accusing anyone of chest puffing. It's much more the other way around.
the difference is i can cave in your chest while youre good at internet shtein talking
Hahaha. Way to resort to the lowest common denominator. "I can beat you up!"
Neanderthal.
Quote from: BigEd76 on August 10, 2008, 06:52:00 PM
he's back and on the PUP list. To make room they got rid of OT Dun*a*
Trying to scare us into thinking they got rid of the King? Nice try.
Quote from: rjs246 on August 10, 2008, 07:02:46 PM
Hahaha. Way to resort to the lowest common denominator. "I can beat you up!"
Neanderthal.
i would never do it nor do i want to
just stating fact
keyboards are a nerds best friend
What's the point of stating that fact exactly? To puff up your chest and brag about something over the internet. You're farging ridiculous.
So he's back. I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm damn glad. I hope whatever meds he's on don't take away from the beast he is on the field.
Quote from: rjs246 on August 10, 2008, 07:08:00 PM
What's the point of stating that fact exactly? To puff up your chest and brag about something over the internet. You're farging ridiculous.
lol @ anyone bragging about caving ff's chest in
ive actually seen him dookie
i agree with him on about .00005% of things in the world but that doesnt mean im gonna meet him behind mcdonalds after school on friday...in fact i asked him to cinncinati less than a week ago
so you can stop chattering your teeth...all im saying is a keyboard is some peoples best friend
wait arent you a fattie
Quote from: mpmcgraw on August 10, 2008, 07:16:49 PM
wait arent you a fattie
obese doesnt even begin to describe
So, uh... How about Shawn Andrews, huh? He's kind of chunky too.
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 10, 2008, 07:14:43 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on August 10, 2008, 07:08:00 PM
What's the point of stating that fact exactly? To puff up your chest and brag about something over the internet. You're farging ridiculous.
i agree with him on about .00005% of things in the world but that doesnt mean im gonna meet him behind mcdonalds after school on friday...
Exactly. So what's the point of posting that drivel?
fat people like to talk about beating people up to boost their low self esteem?
Quote from: mpmcgraw on August 10, 2008, 07:36:00 PM
fat people like to talk about beating people up to boost their low self esteem?
no doubt
if i saw ff id just sit on him and win the fight
Phat!
Y'know, you guys TOTALLY suck at providing any useful information.
And you're completely unfunny and serious at the same time.
iceholes.
Useful information:
1. The internet is the best friend of nerds and people who live to make fun of nerds (who are, in reality, internet message board nerds themselves).
2. Shawn Andrews, 335 pound man, professional athlete, millionaire, Pro-Bowler, is a head case. And fat. Some people are sensitive about him being a head case. Others are not.
3. Fat people can win fights, but only if they can catch their targets without having a stroke.
4. IGY and I really really like each other. A lot. Like, more than friends.
5. We are serious, unfunny, iceholes who need to seriously reevaluate our lives.
Quote from: MadMarchHare on August 10, 2008, 08:55:01 PM
Y'know, you guys TOTALLY suck at providing any useful information.
And you're completely unfunny and serious at the same time.
iceholes.
you come here for information?
lol...moron
You all need to get laid.
im too fat to get laid but thanks for triggering another deep depression
I go to Philly.com or ESPN for information. I come here for the errand running advise.
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 10, 2008, 09:24:03 PM
im too fat to get laid but thanks for triggering another deep depression
Lower your standards.
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 10, 2008, 09:24:03 PM
im too fat to get laid but thanks for triggering another deep depression
Clinical depression is no laughing matter, friend.
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 10, 2008, 09:24:03 PM
im too fat to get laid but thanks for triggering another deep depression
Go take some SSRI's and your sex drive will tank. Both problems solved.
Well, at least you idiots are now useless but funny.
Counts for something.
Quote from: MadMarchHare on August 11, 2008, 06:58:09 PM
Well, at least you idiots are now useless but funny.
Counts for something.
Now?
Andrews expected to practice tomorrow (http://blogs.phillyburbs.com/blog.php?p=33358&cat=9)
Perfect timing, MJGs hands to the face pass protection needs work.
QuoteANDREWS SAYS HE CREATED RUMORS TO HIDE DEPRESSION
Posted by Mike Florio on August 16, 2008, 6:04 p.m.
On the day that Eagles guard Shawn Andrews returned to practice with the team for the first time during training camp, Andrews said that, as to the rumors that were floating regarding his absence, Andrews was floating them himself in order to hide his clinical depression.
"I admitted to my teammates that I created a lot of those rumors," Andrews said. "At the time, Coach Reid didn't know. There were people saying 'contract,' 'didn't want to play anymore,' and I admit that I created those rumors out of a lot of frustration and I didn't care what people thought."
This admission meshes with rumors we'd heard that Andrews was telling teammates that he wasn't at camp because of his contract. At one point, teammate Jon Runyan addressed the situation and called it a "holdout."
The bigger problem is that we're now forced to confront the question of whether Andrews was lying then, or whether he's lying now. It's possible that the whole depression thing became an easy way out of the mess he'd created, once he realized that the team wasn't going to cut him any slack or ease up on the daily fines.
Regardless of what the truth is, Andrews knows that there will be skeptics, especially in the locker room.
"Coach Reid allowed me some time, after one of the team meetings, to address my teammates. I just felt like it was something that I needed to-slash-had to do, because of the way that I just disappeared. Like I said, the things I said that conveyed to them that I didn't want to be here anymore, or whatever thoughts were in their minds, I just wanted to let them know that it wasn't that I was trying to get out of work. I'm no stranger to hard work. I just wanted them to know that I hope they still respect me. If they don't, I'm going to do everything possible to gain the respect back."
Andrews says that his condition (whatever is truly is) won't affect his performance on the field. "Being that I'm getting help now and I'm opening up more, it's definitely been a big weight lifted off of me," Andrews said. "I can stay prayed up about the situation and just know the difference of when I walk onto the field and try to compose myself because I've always felt alone. After opening up to a couple people, I definitely feel like I better know how to handle the situation."
By the way, Andrews weighed in at 331 pounds, four pounds below his listed weight of 335. As a practical matter, it probably means he's about 50 pounds or so under his actual playing weight from a year ago. He didn't comment on whether the team will still pursue the fines that he racked up while he was gone.
Maybe the team is going to withhold judgment until they can figure out whether he was telling the truth about the lies he says he told.
Healthy.
Mental midget.
QuoteMaybe the team is going to withhold judgment until they can figure out whether he was telling the truth about the lies he says he told.
Are you telling the
truth about your
lies?!?!It don't matter, we're screwed either way. Either he's lazy or a whack job.
I love being an Eagles fan.
He's going to track you down now and cry while beating the shtein out of you. I hope you're happy.
I feel like I deserve it.
More great news: Eskin's saying he's hearing Andrews is done with football. Usually I'd just laugh it off and call Eskin a jackass like I do when he comes up with his stupid trade rumors but I think there's something to this.
There aren't enough draft picks in the world to make this nightmare any better any time soon...
Why doesn't this surprise me? We all knew his heart wasn't in this, and then he's been so injury-riddled whether they were real or made-up. This just takes the farging cake on top of the crap we've seen the past month.
It takes me back to that draft day when I was so sure the Eagles moved up to snag Jackson, and to have it be Andrews. I was pissed then, and now I'm pissed all over again.
farging unbelievable team we got here. Yay us.
It doesn't surprise you because you've been a Philadelphia fan for more than 5 minutes.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on November 25, 2008, 05:29:40 PM
More great news: Eskin's saying he's hearing Andrews is done with football.
If true, this wouldn't surprise me in the least given his attitude and history. I was surprised he actually came back this year. And I was not surprised he got hurt.
If it's any consolation, Andrews quitting would only help the case against Reid, adding another huge bust to his draft record.
Maybe Jeff Fisher has a twin.
wasnt he the big baby just giddy to play the game of football.
farging fatass i hope he and andy reid both die of heart attacks.
Quote from: Magical_Retard on November 25, 2008, 06:06:52 PMfarging fatass i hope he and andy reid both die of heart attacks.
[sports writers everywhere]when his obese best friend died of a heart attack, it was a heartbreaking tale of awakening that renewed Andrews' resolve to get fit and play the game he loves[/sports writers]
Andrews=Antone Davis=Bernard Williams
At least we aren't the Lions. Although with that said, there is no doubt in my mind that we'd lose to the Lions right now.
Feebleminded motherfarger.
I just saw Andy Reid honking his horn down Columbus Blvd driving McNabb and Andrews right out of town
I waved.
Was Britt waiving a gun out one of the windows?
Quote from: Rome on November 25, 2008, 07:11:06 PM
Feebleminded motherfarger.
You're so insensitive. It's a disease and not to be taken lightly.
Massive amount of talent + two cent head = die screaming.
So, Thomas and Runyan are both very likely to say "farg it" after this season, right?
Herremans is going to be the 2nd best player on the line in 2009 unless they sign a free agent or trade for someone. Sweet.
I can't imagine either Tra for Runyan enduring another season.
They will likely be running errands during Eagles games next year.
Quote from: FastFreddie on November 26, 2008, 08:25:37 AM
So, Thomas and Runyan are both very likely to say "farg it" after this season, right?
Herremans is going to be the 2nd best player on the line in 2009 unless they sign a free agent or trade for someone. Sweet.
Who's going to be the best player on the o-line? You're assuming Andrews isn't going to quit?
If they know what's good for them they will.
For real, I can't even guess which clown FF is talking about.
Its frightening to think how fast this ship is sinking and how bad off it could be with the potential loss of their best offensive linemen. Great time to be a birds fan. It would be ok though if I knew fatass wasn't coming back.
This is the part in Return of the Jedi when the Emperor tells Luke the Death Star is fully operational and starts nuking rebels ships.
What a disaster. I had high hopes for MJG but he doesn't seem to be anything special. Maybe McGurkin will be serviceable.
Quote from: Tomahawk on November 26, 2008, 08:49:22 AM
Quote from: FastFreddie on November 26, 2008, 08:25:37 AM
So, Thomas and Runyan are both very likely to say "farg it" after this season, right?
Herremans is going to be the 2nd best player on the line in 2009 unless they sign a free agent or trade for someone. Sweet.
Who's going to be the best player on the o-line? You're assuming Andrews isn't going to quit?
Quote from: rjs246 on November 26, 2008, 08:50:05 AM
For real, I can't even guess which clown FF is talking about.
Jamaal Jackson. Look how many times he's snapped the ball well to Donovan in the shotgun!
I think Alabama has a left tackle that is supposed to be really good or something.
Maybe the Eagles should have just taken Otah instead of trading with the Panthers.
I had less of a problem with them trading out this year than I did last year. I don't anyone thought that Carolina was going to be anything but a disaster whereas everyone knew that Dallas was going to be a force last year. Regardless of what happened, the fact that the Eagles were so arrogant as to think that trading with Dallas under any circumstances was a good idea is reason enough for Lurie/Banner/Heckert/Reid all to be chucked into concentration camps.
they had no needs remember?
the biggest need in that off season was a backup QB.
thats it. they did not need another corner, a backup for dawkins to groom, or a WR in the first round. nope none of those positions needed a infusion of first round talent.
Andy mentioned during the PC this morning that Shawn is back from California but the long flight left him sore
Quote from: BigEd76 on November 28, 2008, 11:28:44 AM
Andy mentioned during the PC this morning that Shawn is back from California but the long flight left his vagina sore
Maybe he'll step in and actually play now that Jean-Gillis is out.
Probably not, though. VADGE.
could use him against the giants in 10 days?
Quote from: FastFreddie on November 28, 2008, 11:56:34 AM
Maybe he'll step in and actually play now that Jean-Gillis is out.
Probably not, though. VADGE.
As long as someone doesn't hurt his feelings, it's a possibility.
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/columnists/20081202_John_Smallwood__Any_way_you_slice_it__Andrews_happy_to_be_back_with_Eagles.html
Sounds like he wanted to come back plenty of times but his doctor wouldn't let him. Regardless, this doesn't sound like someone done with Football. WTG Eskin.
that dood is a weirdo....but i love him so much
welcome back big kid
"Now it's just a matter of getting back out there to the point where I can push and pull and take some people out."
did you see him in the locker room yesterday? he has a 2" bright red mohawk
Is that ink on his neck new?
I still don't think he's playing with a full deck.
I heard they're moving him to fullback.
No way Reggie Brown gives that position up next year
The big kid is in California having the back re-checked and could practice Wednesday!
Quote from: stalker on January 05, 2009, 12:10:41 PM
The big kid is in California having the back re-checked and could practice Wednesday!
:drool
I'm sure he's in great shape from all the eating, and no doubt his grasp of the playbook is tight from all the Madden '09.
Quote from: stalker on January 05, 2009, 12:10:41 PM
The big kid is in California having the back re-checked and could practice Wednesday!
link?
I'm not so sure that this is great news. I'd rather have him come back fully healthy next year than just have him thrown into the game at the 11th hour.
Quote from: Diomedes on January 05, 2009, 12:15:38 PM
I'm sure he's in great shape from all the eating, and no doubt his grasp of the playbook is tight from all the Madden '09.
Andy said he has been doing a "ton" of cardio and he is very good cardio wise.
Quote from: reese125 on January 05, 2009, 12:16:37 PM
Quote from: stalker on January 05, 2009, 12:10:41 PM
The big kid is in California having the back re-checked and could practice Wednesday!
link?
I am listening to AR's press conference.
Quote from: rjs246 on January 05, 2009, 12:18:31 PM
I'm not so sure that this is great news. I'd rather have him come back fully healthy next year than just have him thrown into the game at the 11th hour.
If you had Peyton Manning in sthe same situation, would you play him? How about Adrian Peterson or LT?
Andrews is the best o-lineman in the league. He is a difference maker. The offense especially the run game is drastically better when he is in there.
Settle down, susan. I'm just saying that He hasn't played in like 3 months and Cole has been doing well. I'd rather have Andrews in there for sure, but a healthy prepared andrews. Not fat sad wah wah wah andrews.
Quote from: stalker on January 05, 2009, 12:23:10 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on January 05, 2009, 12:18:31 PM
I'm not so sure that this is great news. I'd rather have him come back fully healthy next year than just have him thrown into the game at the 11th hour.
If you had Peyton Manning in sthe same situation, would you play him? How about Adrian Peterson or LT?
Andrews is the best o-lineman in the league. He is a difference maker. The offense especially the run game is drastically better when he is in there.
Depends. The Colts threw Peyton Manning out there at the beginning of the year before his knee was 100% and he stunk it up. You can't always throw a guy back in cold and expect the same level of play.
MJG and now Cole have been pretty good in Andrews absence. There's no need to rush him back if he's not ready.
At this point I'm not even convinced he'll be back for next season, never mind a playoff game.
Andrews missed all of camp then stepped right in and was dominant, not really worried about him. If anything I'd like to see them keep Cole in at G and replace Herremans at LG.
if they feel andrews can go then he goes...his upside is well worth it...if he gets in and cant go he comes out...its pretty simple
its not like hes a tackle that could easily on one play get the qb killed or cause a huge turnover
Over under on false starts if he plays?
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 05, 2009, 12:28:25 PM
if they feel andrews can go then he goes...his upside is well worth it...if he gets in and cant go he comes out...its pretty simple
its not like hes a tackle that could easily on one play get the qb killed or cause a huge turnover
EXfargINFACTLY!!
Quote from: stalker on January 05, 2009, 12:30:56 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 05, 2009, 12:28:25 PM
if they feel andrews can go then he goes...his upside is well worth it...if he gets in and cant go he comes out...its pretty simple
its not like hes a tackle that could easily on one play get the qb killed or cause a huge turnover
EXfargINFACTLY!!
A simple "farging exactly" would have been more effective.
Quote from: Phanatic on January 05, 2009, 12:30:09 PM
Over under on false starts if he plays?
Are we counting to obligatory Tra false start?
Quote from: rjs246 on January 05, 2009, 12:32:01 PM
Quote from: stalker on January 05, 2009, 12:30:56 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 05, 2009, 12:28:25 PM
if they feel andrews can go then he goes...his upside is well worth it...if he gets in and cant go he comes out...its pretty simple
its not like hes a tackle that could easily on one play get the qb killed or cause a huge turnover
EXfargINFACTLY!!
A simple "farging exactly" would have been more effective.
For added exuberance how about' exactfargingly
Good news.
Hopefully he's in shape. Can't exactly lift and run when your back is screwed up. Having him in there against the Giants and Fred Robbins inside would be huge.
Cole has played well though, so if Andrews struggles or can;t go...Cole takes back over.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 05, 2009, 12:42:44 PM
Good news.
Hopefully he's in shape. Can't exactly lift and run when your back is screwed up. Having him in there against the Giants and Fred Robbins inside would be huge.
Oh crap, he might be back up to his rookie weight.
Quote from: General_Failure on January 05, 2009, 12:43:35 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 05, 2009, 12:42:44 PM
Good news.
Hopefully he's in shape. Can't exactly lift and run when your back is screwed up. Having him in there against the Giants and Fred Robbins inside would be huge.
Oh crap, he might be back up to his rookie weight.
Would he take up two roster spots at that weight?
Reid did say he was in great shape as he's focused on cardio
That stillupfront guy would probably have someting interesting to say on this topic. He seemed like a really smart fella.
Oh, Jesus Christ... here we go again with this farging idiot:
QuoteWednesday, May 13, 2009
NYT: Eagles' Andrews still battling depression
Eagles offensive lineman Shawn Andrews, who missed the 2008 training camp because of depression, told The New York Times that his sunnier public demeanor during the team's recent mini-camp was not a completely accurate view of his his mental situation.
"There's some good and bad in there," Andrews told the Times, referring to himself. "If you know the song 'Tears of a Clown,' that would kind of describe my past a little bit up to now."
Andrews told The Times that his bouts with depression prior to the 2008 season were exacerbated by concerns about the obligation of being a new father, having been raised in by a single mother.
"I had a new obligation, and I'm going to fulfill it because of my past experience," Andrews said in the story.
The Times reported that Andrews said his interest in football began to flag at the same time.
"I was partying, drinking to try to hide what was really going on," he said. "Temporarily, it helped me. In the grand scheme, it really didn't."
He held out from training camp. The Eagles said they would fine him $15,000 a day. When Moran told him how much money he stood to lose, Andrews said his reaction was, "So what?"
What the farg? I thought fat people were supposed to be jolly
Quote from: Tomahawk on May 13, 2009, 07:14:49 PM
What the farg? I thought fat people were supposed to be jolly
Yeah, until they realize they're fat.
nnenna freelon does an absolutely drop dead gorgeous amazing version of tears of a clown that makes smokey sound like a drunk karoke singer
Pat Kirwan:
QuoteBecause of my daily Sirius radio show, I talk with players, coaches, front-office executives and, on occasion, even owners. This week, I have to say that I was very impressed with Eagles guard Shawn Andrews.
Andrews has struggled with depression, but he's well on his way to recovery. He talked with me about all the pressures he has dealt with since childhood, and, until recently, he tried to mask them. But after receiving a helping hand from Eagles coach Andy Reid and a few family members, Andrews said he feels ready to resume a healthy life -- and enjoy football.
As Andrews said, "Sometimes you don't miss the water until the well runs dry." The well was almost dry for Andrews. But now he's ready to play well next to his brother, recent Eagles addition Stacy Andrews, and college friend Jason Peters, who came to Philadelphia in a trade with Buffalo.
Shawn energized me when he talked about how positive he feels right now and how much he feels he can accomplish. Watch out for the Eagles this season.
Is anyone really buying this latest line of bullshtein from the "big kid"?
He's not very smart, he's obsessed with himself, and he's mentally unbalanced. All terminal conditions I'm afraid.
Every time I see this thread bumped I think he's finally gone ahead either quit the game or offed himself. It's a shame because he's got freakish athletic ability for a guy his size and he could be the best at his position if he didn't have a two cent head.
Quote from: Diomedes on July 03, 2009, 04:27:00 PM
He's not very smart, he's obsessed with himself, and he's mentally unbalanced.
They should give him a look at WR
or FB?
He couldn't be worse than a converted DT?
C'mon guys, if the Father of the Year is helping him out, he'll be fine.
Quote from: Rome on July 03, 2009, 04:32:20 PM
Every time I see this thread bumped I think he's finally gone ahead either quit the game or offed himself.
same here. Reid has gone all out to get this Andrews surrounded by his people. If this doesnt work, nothing will.
Quote from: Diomedes on July 03, 2009, 04:27:00 PM
He's not very smart, he's obsessed with himself, and he's mentally unbalanced.
All qualities that would make him a great contributor to the EMB.
Philly.com:
QuoteShawn Andrews says he isn't crazy. Brian Westbrook is back practicing. And Michael Vick is ... well Michael Vick -- and that's OK with Kevin Kolb.
Amazingly, on the day of Vick's first practice as an Eagle and Westbrook's return, Andrews managed to steal a little of the spotlight. The tackle, who hasn't practice all of camp because of sore back, sorta, kinda, in that Shawn Andrews way, went off on the media.
"A lot of you guys with the ink pens have questioned my mental toughness," Andrews said. "A lot of guys with ink pens who never put on a jock strap and never played any football don't really understand."
A Google search did not produce a story that supports Andrews' claim -- except for maybe a blogger or two (and they don't count ... hey, wait, I'm blogging). Andrews went on.
"Yeah, a lot of you guys with the ink pens question my mental toughness," Andrews said. "I know a lot of people are trying to keep their jobs and do good for their paper, so I guess it's OK. It's tough when a guy can't defend himself. People just kind of make me out to be a nut case. It's all right. I'm content with myself and where God wants me to be."
Enough of me. Let's just let Andrews' words speak for themselves:
HOW SERIOUS IS HE ABOUT BEING IN THIS GAME?
"I've already made that clear. There is a reason why my brother is here, there is a reason why my college teammate who I used to dominate with is here and this year I've been more excited to play football than I have in my life. I'm playing a new position and just knowing I did everything in my power this offseason to get back. People are just being humans – very unforgiving humans – they look at people with depression as craziness. That's OK, I'm all right with Shawn Andrews."
DO YOU THINK PEOPLE ARE LINKING YOUR INJURY TO YOUR DEPRESSION?
"That's what everybody is making it out to be. I'm really over it and all the outside pressures, I don't feel it because I'm content and I know that I'm doing and have done everything in my power to get back. It's the world we live in."
WHO HAS HE LEANED ON TO GET THROUGH THIS TIME?
"I don't want to be all philosophical, but I'm leaning on the Lord right now. It's really funny how people sit back and criticize when they can't even hold one of my shoes – size 17 shoes. It's OK. I'm at peace with myself.
"For the record, Shawn Andrews is not crazy. Shawn Andrews is mentally strong now and Shawn Andrews is helping other people with their depression."
HOW IS HE HELPING ON PEOPLE?
"People hit me up on social sites and they know it's the real me and just when I see people, 'Hey, I'm going through this, what do you think about this?' I have a couple close friends from back in college out in the real world now going through things: 'I'm depressed, can you help me?' Yes, I'll help."
As for his injury, Andrews said he doesn't know exactly when he'll be back, but that when he comes back he's going to "kick some butt."
Meanwhile, there's been a drum beat for the Eagles to bring back Jon Runyan. The former Birds tackle, who had off-season knee surgery, was recently cleared to run and could practice in a week or so. The Eagles kept Runyan's old locker stall up during OTAs in the spring, but his space next to Andrews' stall had been removed now that the team has returned from Lehigh.
Oh. Okay. That makes it all better.
Get back to dominating football and less talking in the third person you farging loon.
Mental.
Midget.
I use grease pens to question his mental toughness.
I use sidewalk chalk. The teal color.
And I wore my #73 black butta joint today
Is there some sort of screening process that team can put their players through before allowing them to ever speak to the press. With every new sentence uttered by these cretins I find myself less and less inclined to give a shtein about them.
Where is your gratification to the team for being the gold standard?
Gratification? Stratified gratitude? You can't just make words up like that dude, you're going to confuse those of us who are familiar with the english language.
Farg it, we're all making the switch to esperanto.
The Stainless Steel Rat would approve.
Apparently he has flown back to California to see the doc who did the surgery.
So when's Runyan gonna re-sign?
hopefully soon
If I ate as much as he obviously does and made as much money as he does I really can't imagine a scenario where i would be depressed.
What if you knew that fat people were evil and were filled with self loathing?
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 17, 2009, 11:22:07 PM
Apparently he has flown back to California to see the doc who did the surgery.
per ruben frank further inspection of the back revealed no structural damage
Shocking.
Quote from: rjs246 on August 18, 2009, 02:52:23 PM
What if you knew that fat people were evil and were filled with self loathing?
Plus they have very small penises.
so this fat cat will be getting flare-ups for the rest of the year then, and he will be a "game-time decision" come every sunday....if we're lucky...awesome
No structural damage has become bad news.
That's a new one.
I wonder when they'll MRI his brain?
They'll find out his skull is full of M&Ms.
Plain, almond, peanut or peanut butter?
Quote from: jihadist monk on August 18, 2009, 03:03:31 PM
No structural damage has become bad news.
That's a new one.
It's not bad news. I'm literally shocked. How can a spine hold up under the pressure of 350 pounds getting lugged around all day every day. I guess zero brain weight helps lessen the stress.
But seriously, how predictable was it that there is nothing wrong with his back? What, the psych patient thinks he has an injury and needs medical attention? Never heard that one before.
it actually wasnt that predictable...unless you think his back wasnt hurt last year and the doctor performed surgery on it as part of a larger cover up
What I think is that the surgery fixed what was wrong with his back but not whatever is wrong with his brain.
so rjs, tell me about Boston
If Boston were a football player, it would be a punter
It would be a midfielder, actually. One who dives and cries to the referee a lot.
And farg Shawn Andrews. Hard.
farging meathead bitch.
mental midget.
What happened to SD Eagle's account?
It had back problems.
1 more year and its time to cut the losses and find a replacement...
Shawn Andrews on whether he's going to play in the opener (http://"i%20think%20i%20will,"%20andrews%20said.%20"i%20know%20i%20will.%20i%20think%20there's%20a%20great%20chance%20of%20that.):
Quote"I think I will," Andrews said. "I know I will. I think there's a great chance of that."
By the way, "Right now Winston Justice is the guy" is one of the scariest quotes I've ever heard from Reid.
Quote from: QB Eagles on August 22, 2009, 09:49:49 PM
Shawn Andrews on whether he's going to play in the opener (http://"i%20think%20i%20will,"%20andrews%20said.%20"i%20know%20i%20will.%20i%20think%20there's%20a%20great%20chance%20of%20that.):
Quote"I think I will," Andrews said. "I know I will. I think there's a great chance of that."
By the way, "Right now Winston Justice is the guy" is one of the scariest quotes I've ever heard from Reid.
Great. Just llike the Little Engine That Could.
Quote from: General_Failure on August 18, 2009, 03:16:30 PM
They'll find out his skull is full of M&Ms.
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From what I've seen, it seems as if Justice finally gets it. He's been play half decent.
It would be funny if Justice ends up with a big season, especially since he might well have been cut if not for all the injuries and he's in a contract year.
Reid should bring a magic 8-ball to the PCs and whip it out every time someone asks him about Andrews.
Or take the lame horse out back and shoot it in the head
If Banner has Spadaro pimping Winston Justice publicly, you know they're pissed off at Andrews' bullshtein:
http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=18445&spadaro=1
Quote from: Rome on August 23, 2009, 09:44:30 PM
If Banner has Spadaro pimping Winston Justice publicly, you know they're pissed off at Andrews' bullshtein:
http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=18445&spadaro=1
Quote
Yet, here is Justice, quietly going about his business and earning the strong reviews from the coaches who evaluate his every move on the football field. Here is Justice, the team's starting right tackle going out every day in practice and improving his skills, gaining his confidence and putting himself in position to take that role right into the regular season.
He deserves a lot of credit.
this is the most telling comment...the fact that they are saying justice deserves "a lot of credit" for simply practicing
misinterpretation is cool
were you taught in school to read from the end of a paragraph to the beginning? try it again.
What makes you think igy is educated?
Because he is a government employee, duh.
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I don't see what an eagle has to do with haters.
Pretty sure eagles are pretty much universally considered awesome.
it has nothing to do with eagles...and im not even going to attempt to explain it
well thats mean
Quote
Shawn Andrews Expects to Start Opener
Eagles right tackle Shawn Andrews appeared in the locker room before practice Monday, beaming and optimistic.
"If I had to guess, I would say, 'hell, yeah,' " Andrews said, when asked if he expects to be in the lineup for the Sept. 13 season opener at Carolina. Andrews hasn't practiced with the team since his back tightened up following the fitness run, the day after veterans reported to Lehigh.
Andrews said he had an epidural and another injection last week when he visited Dr. Robert Watkins, who last year repaired the disc injury that sidelined Andrews from Game 2 through the remainder of the season. Andrews brought up that game yesterday, maintaining he was playing at a dominant level when he was injured Andrews was asked his answer to critics who question how much he wants to play, how important football is to him.
"If you question my love for the game, my dedication, just look at the game I got hurt, the Dallas Cowboy game ... That'll let you know the kind of note I left off on ... That'll let you know what my passion for the game is," Andrews said.
"I had people hit me up on my Youtube (singing) videos the other day, making all these comments -- 'you love music more than football!' ... don't judge me. Football is a very strong passion, but I love music, as well. I just say leave the judging up to God, and we're going to get this this right."
"I've had a longer passion for music, ever since third grade. When I was getting in trouble beating on the desk, making beats and stuff, getting whippings for that, that's a passion. Football came along, and that's still a passion, as well. I lvoe football. Football is my job, what I do to take care of my family. At the same time, I can't do this forever, so why not do the music thing as well ... Football is No. 1 right now."
Eagles coach Andy Reid indicated last week that Watkins had said Andrews' problem this time was muscular, not disc-related. Andrews hinted there was more to the diagnosis.
"I don't think people get epidurals for just muscle-related issues. I'll just say that," he said. "I had two shots in my back and I was put to sleep. You tell me if that's a guy who wants to not play football, vs. doing everything possible, going to sleep on diprivan, and getting two shots in his back, that doesn't want to play football, that doesn't want to play alongside his brother (right guard Stacy Andrews)."
Diprivan is the powerful anesthetic implicated in Michael Jackson's death. Andrews also said that before training camp started, he called Eagles coach Andy Reid and announced that he was going to "sell out like Michael Jackson" -- put forth extra effort -- in training camp.
"I'm happy right now, and I'll be even happier when I get back on the field," said Andrews, who said he planned to work out with injured players again Monday, as he did Sunday.
mental. case.
Shawn: less talk, more football
amen
Seriously, is anyone comfortable with Andrews sitting his ass all training camp, then going out against the Panthers to PLAY RIGHT TACKLE? If it was guard, okay, but for all we know, Andrews is no better than Justice as a tackle in the NFL.
I know Shawn Andrews is a better tackle in the NFL than Winston Justice.
no
I hope Reid sits his fat lazy ass. You can't skate your way through training camp claiming phantom injuries and "depression" only to expect to be handed the starting job.
farg him. either get it in gear or get the farg off my football team.
as much as I want to ride your train of disbelief on his injuries, there's no way hes bullshteinting the staff when MRI's are taken. If he has severe flaring going on the MRI will pick it up
and you know damn well Reid and his control freak ass is on top of that
yeah, reid never lets anything get by him. well, other than the two junkies living under his roof, that is.
parents that are home 2 days out of the week are beyond oblivious...not to mention its always, "no way not my babies". Reids no different
but let it be a prozac popping, lazy ass adult with a bleached mohawk your paying millions to and see if he fakes injuries.
Back injuries are great for that, since you can say you have pain there and any irregularity back there will be called an injury.
Quote from: Rome on August 24, 2009, 06:59:17 PM
I hope Reid sits his fat lazy ass. You can't skate your way through training camp claiming phantom injuries and "depression" only to expect to be handed the starting job.
mike quick made a career out of it
whether the big kid can do it is another question but if he shows he can play even to half of his potential i dont care if the first time he touches a pair of shoulder pads is thirty minutes before kickoff in charlotte....dook is in the game if hes the best player...especially when hindenberg justice is the other option
andrews better get his reps at tackle or he is going to get eaten up during the season.
saw an interview with him on the news last night, he's batshtein crazy, sitting there blabbing about how happy he is to have his brother and college teammate on his line. He said i just got two needles in my back, tell me thats not someone who wants to play? I yelled at the tv players get cortizone daily you flag. Then Andrews broke out into a dance and was singing.
His act is pretty played out...and it's tough to wonder if he'll be able to play from week to week...which has pretty much been the case for a couple of years at this point.
Why does he use getting shots as an indicator that he wants to play? I doubt heroin addicts want to play but they shoot themselves up all the time
the guy is a fruit loop for sure....but I could care less if he plays and plays well.
yeah its so funny how people catch feelings over him maybe being depressed or looney or whatever he is...if its even more than just being hurt...which egads it might just only be that
i personally love the guy whether he plays or not...i just want him on the damn field
Quote from: Tomahawk on August 25, 2009, 01:12:10 PM
Why does he use getting shots as an indicator that he wants to play? I doubt heroin addicts want to play but they shoot themselves up all the time
Gene "Big Daddy" Lipscom was an All-Pro Def. Tackle for the Colts (in the fifties) and he was one bad ass heroin addict. A "freightening individual" as John Gordy and Alex karras tell the story in "Mad Ducks and Bears" :-D Maybe the best sports book ever :yay
what
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 25, 2009, 02:38:18 PM
i personally love the guy whether he plays or not...i just want him on the damn field
The problem is he hasn't been on the field in forever, and shows no signs of getting back there. And in typical Reid fashion, they rebuilt a major portion of the team around a piece that doesn't fit. Fast but small linebackers that can't tackle, an inaccurate QB throwing 50 times a game throwing to receivers who can't get open, and now building the offensive line out of the friends and family of a guy who probably won't be there.
Quote from: fansince61 on August 25, 2009, 03:01:37 PM
Quote from: Tomahawk on August 25, 2009, 01:12:10 PM
Why does he use getting shots as an indicator that he wants to play? I doubt heroin addicts want to play but they shoot themselves up all the time
Gene "Big Daddy" Lipscom was an All-Pro Def. Tackle for the Colts (in the fifties) and he was one bad ass heroin addict. A "freightening individual" as John Gordy and Alex karras tell the story in "Mad Ducks and Bears" :-D Maybe the best sports book ever :yay
Ha - then I stand corrected. Maybe Andrews should start shooting up to help deal with the depression. At the very least, it would surely cure his back pain.
GF - even if Andrews doesn't play the Friends & Family OL are still supposedly pretty good
Quote from: General_Failure on August 25, 2009, 03:26:07 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 25, 2009, 02:38:18 PM
i personally love the guy whether he plays or not...i just want him on the damn field
The problem is he hasn't been on the field in forever, and shows no signs of getting back there. And in typical Reid fashion, they rebuilt a major portion of the team around a piece that doesn't fit. Fast but small linebackers that can't tackle, an inaccurate QB throwing 50 times a game throwing to receivers who can't get open, and now building the offensive line out of the friends and family of a guy who probably won't be there.
Amen.
Quote from: General_Failure on August 25, 2009, 03:26:07 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 25, 2009, 02:38:18 PM
i personally love the guy whether he plays or not...i just want him on the damn field
The problem is he hasn't been on the field in forever, and shows no signs of getting back there. And in typical Reid fashion, they rebuilt a major portion of the team around a piece that doesn't fit. Fast but small linebackers that can't tackle, an inaccurate QB throwing 50 times a game throwing to receivers who can't get open, and now building the offensive line out of the friends and family of a guy who probably won't be there.
i agree with most all of that...except the linebackers arent even fast
and i blame reid for andrews more than i would ever get upset and blame andrews altho in this particular case i blame neither because the big kid had an upside that you couldnt ignore and im always down to take a shot at guys like that...
that said there were red flags all over andrews in that draft so if youre gonna go crazy on someone go crazy on reid
Quote from: Tomahawk on August 25, 2009, 03:34:54 PM
Quote from: fansince61 on August 25, 2009, 03:01:37 PM
Quote from: Tomahawk on August 25, 2009, 01:12:10 PM
Why does he use getting shots as an indicator that he wants to play? I doubt heroin addicts want to play but they shoot themselves up all the time
Gene "Big Daddy" Lipscom was an All-Pro Def. Tackle for the Colts (in the fifties) and he was one bad ass heroin addict. A "freightening individual" as John Gordy and Alex karras tell the story in "Mad Ducks and Bears" :-D Maybe the best sports book ever :yay
Ha - then I stand corrected. Maybe Andrews should start shooting up to help deal with the depression. At the very least, it would surely cure his back pain.
Lipscomb also died of a heroin overdose during the offseason, so one way or the other Andrews wouldn't be a problem anymore.
I think this recieving corps is actually pretty good.
You have Desean Jackson who will be one of the best WR's in the NFL this year, who the hell knows what you are going to get out of Kevin Curtis this year, Avant is a solid reciever and then the rest all suck + Maclin who will probably do nothing this year, but 1-3 I'm not sure you are going to find many teams that are so obviously better.
how do the receivers relate to Andrews?
they're his cousins
brought in to help the big kid out, of course
Does he have any imaginary friends who can play linebacker?
i like bananas
i knew you would offer something valuable there mikey boy
Please don't call me mikey.
The last girl I was with called me mikey.
Creeps me the farg out.
haha tell me more about this "girl"
also arent you in college yet?
Quote from: jihadist monk on August 25, 2009, 07:16:44 PM
I think this recieving corps is actually pretty good.
And it only took a decade to draft a receiver that might break 1,000 yards a season. That's amazing!
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 25, 2009, 04:08:51 PM
and i blame reid for andrews more than i would ever get upset and blame andrews altho in this particular case i blame neither because the big kid had an upside that you couldnt ignore and im always down to take a shot at guys like that...
I blame Andrews for not getting his shtein together. There are plenty of people out there with mental problems that seem to make it to work now and then.
I blame Reid for catering to the big softie instead of pulling his usual angry ex-girlfriend routine. I don't blame him for taking a gamble on a guy that could have been the most dominant guard of his generation.
Quote from: MDS on August 26, 2009, 12:40:23 AM
haha tell me more about this "girl"
also arent you in college yet?
well she has a vagina and nappy hair so she is not all that unlike you
and yes
what college
Well MDS for now I'm going to poor people college and if it turns out I'm too poor/lazy for that then I'm joining the Marines.
:high five:
i assume thats code for community college?
I wouldn't call it code, but yes community college.
If I don't like it I join the Marines and if I do I sleep walk and get a 3.0 gpa and get a degree from a four year college in NJ for free.
my roommate is a marine and back from training, about to do his second tour, and was complaining about how zesty all the new recruits are and how incompetent the people who run things are. so im sure youll improve that. shawn andrews.
I have no intention of dying so I'm pretty sure I'll be solid.
I don't think most people in the military intend to die, they're just willing to. However, I bet if Andrews served in the armed services, he'd swallow a bullet a la Private Pyle
Way to bring it back on topic, THawk.
Quote from: General_Failure on August 26, 2009, 12:40:32 AM
Quote from: jihadist monk on August 25, 2009, 07:16:44 PM
I think this recieving corps is actually pretty good.
I blame Andrews for not getting his shtein together. There are plenty of people out there with mental problems that seem to make it to work now and then.
i dont know the man and his problems and wont pretend to...thus i wont sociopathically bash him like some people on this thread who appear less put together than even andrews himself
and this is where what you say about reid is true...why count on this guy at all much less move him to a more important position...he should have been on the summer pup list until proven he could get on the field...and he also should have been last on the depth chart and told to work his way back up
Don't you pretend to know McNabb's problems and weaknesses all the time? Andrews' issues are at least as on-display as McNabb's, if not moreso.
big difference btwn having chronic depression (and possibly other serious personal issues)and not being able to win a big athletic event
if andrews just didnt have his heart in football then id be the first to say move the farg aside and go do music or whatever the hell it is you do..even now ill say you need to get your life straight before you try and play pro football...ill even make a joke about him being a loon...
but there are people that literally have 25-30 posts on this thread doing nothing but makign fun of the guy for having a disease or being validly insane...if they were funny about it would be one thing...but its not like that....there is as i said almost something sociopathic about it
My point is that railing on someone for having personal issues or weaknesses is stupid but part of the deal with message boards. Railing on people for railing on someone on a message board, especially when you do it all the time, is hypocritical.
if igy would just shout out for Andrews to die and get AIDS already like the rest of the concrete family we can end this conversation right now
LOL Teddy K is dead
Quote from: rjs246 on August 26, 2009, 09:05:56 AM
My point is that railing on someone for having personal issues or weaknesses is stupid but part of the deal with message boards.
of course...but is asking people to be funny or creative about it to much to ask...rather than being obessive and stalkerish
get yo michael phelps on!...your michael PHELPS
I'm just saying he's a weirdo the way he's going about it, dude is just odd. I could care less if he has depression, just play the game, if you aren't into it, then stop getting paid to sing songs for interviews. I know quite a few people who have chemical imbalances, i dont mock them in real life, but when one of them is making millions to play a game, and he instead goes off on tangents saying that he's a real man because he got a cortizone shot, gimmie a break. I've had Cort shots, and most players pretty much live off the things.
What i'm not happy with is the OLine hasnt even stepped on the Field together, same issue last year, and they were sloppy to start the year.
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 26, 2009, 10:19:02 AM
Quote from: rjs246 on August 26, 2009, 09:05:56 AM
My point is that railing on someone for having personal issues or weaknesses is stupid but part of the deal with message boards.
of course...but is asking people to be funny or creative about it to much to ask...rather than being obessive and stalkerish
Not at all. I totally agree.
wow he actually practiced today
A triumph!
Unfortunately what he practiced was playing Madden 10.
Head. Case.
I really hope him and Peters can lock it down on the outside. This OL situation worries the hell out of me.
It has so much potential on paper, even with Herremans out, that if they can miraculously come together the offense is gonna be the best of the Reid era.
Can someone please explain to me why Candybrain was moved out to tackle?
He played tackle in college and somebody has to replace Runyan.
i think he means why would you put a guy who is as suspect as you can get at an ultra important position
Because justice is blind? Or is it blind justice? One of those.
I keep hoping Runyan will submit to a brain transplant with Andrews but every day, nothing.
So Andrews was fine on Monday (ready to go from the first snap") but folded like a $.50 lawn chair while watching practice (in shorts) on Thursday ??? ??? WTF How farged is this guy ???
I don't really need details, but I would like them...
for some reason i was listening to 610 on my way to an interview and they suggested that andrews doesnt want to play football and is putting on this show to just collect as much $ as possible. it makes sense, kind of.
out on Sunday. Justice vs Peppers. yay
lets go running game! 3 headed monster style
Quote from: MDS on September 11, 2009, 11:44:20 AM
for some reason i was listening to 610 on my way to an interview and they suggested that andrews doesnt want to play football and is putting on this show to just collect as much $ as possible. it makes sense, kind of.
yeah his passion is music and he's really really bad at it.
Ha - what a colossal waste of talent.
He is (http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:Yrl9VzA3blJAmM:http://www.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/5703082/2/istockphoto_5703082-soft-serve-food-elements.jpg)+(http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:2Bi4X9AqhYI07M:http://www.barbneal.com/graphics/daffy2.gif)
depression = fear
Quote from: phattymatty on September 11, 2009, 01:54:40 PM
Quote from: MDS on September 11, 2009, 11:44:20 AM
for some reason i was listening to 610 on my way to an interview and they suggested that andrews doesnt want to play football and is putting on this show to just collect as much $ as possible. it makes sense, kind of.
yeah his passion is music and he's really really bad at it.
Wasn't his passion Sponge Bob?
Quote from: BigEd76 on September 11, 2009, 01:45:19 PM
out on Sunday. Justice vs Peppers. yay
Place your bets now, folks.
hey who knows maybe winston justice will be competent and shawn andrews will win a grammy
justice did well in preseason no? i don't think we can judge him after one horrible game. he was thrown into the lions den for christ sakes...but this does not measure up well. ill say 3 sacks for peppers ^-^
Way to be ready, Andrews. You farg.
you have a better chance of playing rt than andrews does. the dude is either crazy or he doesnt care or both. basically its the eagles fault for not realizing that andrews is a waste. they are the ones who invested all this in him.
So how do I get on his next album? Somebody hook me up.
Talk to Hollis
Quote from: rjs246 on September 11, 2009, 02:26:25 PM
Quote from: BigEd76 on September 11, 2009, 01:45:19 PM
out on Sunday. Justice vs Peppers. yay
Place your bets now, folks.
I bet by the end of the day, Justice will have a sack
Quote from: MDS on September 11, 2009, 03:47:54 PM
you have a better chance of playing rt than andrews does. the dude is either crazy or he doesnt care or both. basically its the eagles fault for not realizing that andrews is a waste. they are the ones who invested all this in him.
yep....this is all on banner inc. and their belief that they can turn water into wine....one day they will realize that they arent the gold standard
Andrews will finish his career with less games played than Reno Mahe, Freddie Mitchell, and AJ Feeley.
So I assume after Peppers destroys Justice (his final test), the Eagles will sign Runyan on Monday and he will be the starter week 2.
that's if buffalo doesn't sign him first. they have issues.
The Eagles have some motherfarging issues. Sign Runyan now. Give him a guaranteed salary for the year, keep him here where he's loved and knows the system inside out, etc.
It's the most obvious move ever.
After Runyan signs with Buffalo, I'm going to start up the trade McNabb bandwagon again. No need to have his career cut short behind this hot mess of a line.
Well, at least the 2010 draft class is high on top notch QBs. They should have a pick low enough to grab his replacement.
But they've already got Kolb.
you people are farging ridiculous
how the hell do you know that runyan can play......dook is off major surgery but its just a given that he is going to start week 2 in the nfl??
get OFF his cock
i can't. it smells like butterscotch and raisins.
you're right though about whether or not he's ready to come right in and play. but that still doesn't mean that the eagles shouldn't sign him now, guarantee him the money and then see what happens.
waiting until tuesday increases the odds he plays elsewhere.
you ever think theres a reason 5 teams have tried him out but havent signed him
why would you care if he signed elsewhere....again youre assuming for some unknown reason that he can play
but i cant figure out why.......other than that hes a hairy shouldered fat white guy
i think other teams haven't signed him for the same reason the eagles haven't...they're waiting until next week so they don't have to guarantee his salary.
and i don't know if he can play or not. but with the state that the oline is in right now, the eagles aren't really in position to start getting picky. he knows the scheme, the audibles, the snap count and mcnabb's cadence. i really don't see how signing him would be a bad thing......even if it turns out that he can't play.
Isn't that enough? You're the look test guy.
chewbacca took the john runyan look test. and failed.
lol
the eagles are 9 million under the cap but arent signing a starting right tackle because of money
would you put it past them?
normally no...but andy reid would nuzzle runyans brain he loves him so much and they are about to start winston justice vs julius peppers...so in this case i dont think money would be an issue....rather i think runyan is a gimp cripple who will never play again
my bad for a repost but this is the end of shawn andrews
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYzDB5dXIIk
that wasnt a repost that was like ctrl - alt - del on the whole board
Two reasons I think Runyan hasn't signed:
1. Teams are not willing to sign him until after week 1 so his cash isn't guaranteed
2. He's being picky with who he wants to play for. He's done that before. Hence the rumor of him turning down the Raiders
yeah because teams are so worried about how much a crippled offensive lineman is going to cost 48 hrs before the season starts
Of course they are. Because if he breaks down and can't play and they signed him before week 1 is over, they are on the hook for his whole salary.
and what does a guy with one knee cost these days?
eagles are 9 million under the cap and they are in the middle of the pack as far as salary cap
It doesn't matter if he signs for one mil or ten mil, they are unlikely to be on the hook for the whole amount. If they sign him next Monday and he works out, great. If he doesn't then Joe B has to cut checks for no reason.
i dont think hes ready to play and thats why hes not signed....you think hes ready to rock and roll but teams are watching their bank accounts over jon friggin runyan
you really think the money matters at this point in the season...how much does banner inc pay you?
I don't know if he's ready or not. And I don't think it would matter if he was or not because of the whole veterans getting their deals guaranteed if on the roster once week one kicks off.
They watch their bank accounts over everyone. The Vikings told Bobby Wade to take a pay cut, he did, and then they still cut him. The Jaguars told Reggie Hayward to take a cut from 5M to less than 2M and he did. If he refused he would have been cut.
This isn't towing the line for Banner, this is knowing how teams work situations like these. Another example would be the Titans waiting until after this week's game to get serious about bringing in Matt Jones or Bobby Wade. Why? Because if they signed either one before Thursday and they were on the roster they get caked off all season long.
the eagles are about to start winston justice at arguably the most important position in football.....youre comparing that to the titans needing some crackhead or bobby wade?
why is this even a discussion
runyan is done
andrews is crazy
justice sucks
good job fat ass
Let me spell this out for you...
I want them to sign him. If he looked good in the workout, he should have inked a contract. You know they want him back because they still have a locker for him at the complex.
But I am merely stating reasons why players like him are not signed yet. Because of this contract/guarantee thing.
You say he's a gimp cripple and want people to hop off the nuts, but then you lament the fact that Turnstile Winston is starting and how cheap Banner is.
SO what exactly do you want, sir?
i dont want anything i just laugh at the people that are pissed the birds didnt sign runyan and think if they did he could start in 36 hrs
What are your alternate suggestions at RT then?
Winston Justice
Runyan off the scrap heap/operating table
Stacey Andrews at RT & MJG at RG
Justice looked half decent in the PS, which doesn't mean shtein in the big picture. But he gets first shot. That doesn't make me feel good. I'd prefer option three, but how healthy is the other Andrews?
all of the above....munson would be a better option at tackle than runyan
170 pound tackle? Hell yes.
Gimpy 39 year old Runyan is better than Winston Justice. Sign him.
Everytime this thread gets bumped I think he's offed himself.
and I agree with Dio. Runyan is better than Justice or another option. If anything, he's unknown to us....as far as the knee goes. But if the training staff feels its healthy, they're not going to risk permanent injury to one of the most beloved players in this city. At least I hope not.
He's got the mindset, the toughness and attitude that Justice and Andrews can't find even with a microscopic view of their scrotum.
Sign him.
microscopic view of their scrotum.
lol
lol at thinking NFL teams won't do anything to save a guaranteed contract
Get your Michael Phelps on!
IR. Season over. Eagle career hopefully over too.
Least shocking news ever. But still infuriating. farg that cow.
LOL, what a douche
IR...offed himself.
same shtein.
Thanks you waste.
What a farging joke.
assuming his eagle career is over, his sudden demise to me is much more disappointing than other zesty first round blunders the team has made in the past, just based on the fact that he was so nasty in 06. shtein, if he was in his guard slot instead of scott young in the nawlins playoff game, they win that game and then who knows. i guess basketts job is now safe..
Can't wait for the Outside The Lines report 10 years from now after 2 failed suicide attempts and a coaching job at a local high school.
The entire offseason was based around accommodating this farging whack job. Jesus, this farging team.
All of that farging wasted talent.
Quote from: rjs246 on September 15, 2009, 09:54:15 AM
The entire offseason was based around accommodating this farging whack job. Jesus, this farging team.
its pathetic. Whats the over under that he's seen dancing with Vince Young in a gay club within the next 5 years.
what a POS. total waste of flesh. send him to the glue factory.
get your barbaro on
I'm almost glad to have him out of the way. Couldn't count on the guy in any given week.
* Sniff *
Gotta be farging kidding me...
2004 draft
the big kid
matt ware
jr reed
darilek
tapeh
andy hall
dex wynn
adrien clarke
bruce perry
dom furio
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 15, 2009, 10:11:33 AM
2004 draft
the big kid
matt ware
jr reed
darilek
tapeh
andy hall
dex wynn
adrien clarke
bruce perry
dom furio
Brain
Tweener
Dogfence
No
N.O.
Kolb
No
No
Fail
Who?
foooolio
LMAO... so solid on paper.
Ware was a steal in the 3rd.
Reed is an unknown if he would have amounted to much, injury did him in
Tapeh..lol
Andy Hall, even i thought that was bad, and i watched Hall destroy the IAA
Dexter Wynn...Thought he'd be a great PR guy
Clarke...injured and never did anything
Perry...thought he'd be a beast for a 7th rounder
good riddance. if there was any solid evidence saying, yes his back injury is severe etc etc..then maybe I can see why, but to me this all seems very shady. thank god we have competent backups.
Hey now don't insult Andy Hall by comparing him to Kolb. At least that drunkard won something at one point.
Goddamn. >:(
He should be convicted of grand larceny for as much dough as he's stolen from the Eagles.
And pay me for the jersey I bought
almost 3 full seasons missed in 6 years
In related news, Osi Umenyiora is throwing a massive party tonight.
can't wait for his next youtube video.
YouTube doesn't typically permit suicide videos.
Only five-pounds-of-whitehead-exploding-filth videos.
rotten.com ??
This seems to open the door a bit for Runyan, as they are thin at tackle and could easily trim another two players from the roster.
Am I too late to pile on? farg it, Andrews what a farging waste...
Will you people shut the farg up about Runyan?
The dude is done and farging Winston Justice just had a solid game against a good defense.
Quote from: jihadist monk on September 15, 2009, 11:51:57 AM
Will you people shut the farg up about Runyan?
The dude is done and farging Winston Justice just had a solid game against a good defense.
Who said anything about demoting Justice? Just pointing out that the team doesn't have a lot of depth at tackle. Maybe Runyan is done, but we don't know that for a fact and would anyone be shocked to see the Eagles offer him a contract to back up the position?
why don't we just bring back chad lewis. if we are going to waste a roster spot may as well do it with someone who speaks asian
yeah chad lewis is a perfect analogy in this case...wtf?
and chill with the roster spot crap...is there anything in sports more overrrated than the last three spots on an nfl roster...its funny that youre worried about the 53rd spot on the team yet are yelling at people to stop overrecting about something
Quote from: jihadist monk on September 15, 2009, 12:06:49 PM
why don't we just bring back chad lewis. if we are going to waste a roster spot may as well do it with someone who speaks asian
Great analogy!
He speaks asian.
That's an insult to TATErs, trust me, dude.
wow, that's pretty bad. :-D
QuoteThe melancholy tone of the posts on Shawn Andrews' Twitter account has been building for days, even since he was unable to practice with a back injury. It has built, sadly, to this day -- the day when Andrews was placed on injured reserve by the Eagles, ending his season and maybe his career with the team.
Yet, in a series of posts Tuesday afternoon, Andrews continued to display great respect and affection for Eagles coach Andy Reid.
Three posts:
I know u dont twit, but I wanna that the Andy Reid for trusting in me, and assisting me w/ my debacles along the way.
It's funny how u never know who may help you along he way... Dang near looked @ him sorta like a father I never had.. Will never forget you
BIG RED.. I love you man
Andrews has always been such an open book with people, and this is no different. He hasn't done any media interviews yet, but he Twitters incessantly about all kinds of things, about where he eats dinner and going to the movies and whatnot. But the posts since he reinjured his back have had this really sad portent to them for days now.
Here are some of the entries since last week. You will remember that it was on Thursday that Andrews suddenly stopped practicing after returning to the field:
FRIDAY
I have 4 pretty darn good tickets for the game Sunday... FOR FREE....
Well this frustrating day is coming to a close all that note "yawl" have a blessed night. If u believe throw up a prayer for ya boy..
SATURDAY
Morning Twitter.. Heading in early tryna get this body right... Have a blessed day all
SUNDAY
Well thanks.. I'm good either way it turns, but tis disheartening.
I won't.. You are very right.... What I wouldn't give to play w/ my bro. So close but yet so far...
Just laying low.. Tryna get this body right...
Its tough for ya boy right now.....
MONDAY
Hate friggin MRI machines... Sorta like being buried alive.. Sheesh
It is said that pain is weakness leaving the body, but what is it called if the pain doesn't leave???? Sheesh
Well time to get my sanford and Shawn on, I mean Sanford & Son.. G'nite yawl be blessed. If u pray! Pray for ya boy I will do the same. ;)
TUESDAY:
Morning yawl.. Carpe Diem.. Max out your day be blessed
I guess it's not. They will get over it, but I am the one who has the lifetime of pain, but this is the life I chose
Doing evrything I can to get back healthy
I will.. I am working, and praying, and working, and praying. Lord willing this is not the end..
Yeah man thanks. Some people will never understand.. I hope the negative people never go through what I am...
Man, I am blessed. I wont complain. I'm sorta in my feelings right now cause me & bro. talked up playing together for YEARS...
Thanks man. I am catching sooooo much flak, but hey GOD has my back (literally).. I can't even bend over to play w/ my son right
Yo bro.I wanna say thanks. This is not easy man.. When I can't interact w/ my son like I normally do, and people question me
People can't be that pissed because my back is messed up right now. I'm the one in pain.. Momma said there'd be days like this
I am going thru it right now, but GOD didnt bring me this far to leave me.
haha.....i dont know how anyone cant love the big kid
I added more from Hofman's blog.
Sounds like he's done for good. But ya never know...I hope he doesn't quit and uses this year to get right
you are delusional
just like last year and they year before. crying rivers
what an icehole.
Isn't it ironic that Winston Justice might end up having a better career with the Eagles than Shawn Andrews.
How much of a cap hit would it be to cut him?
little over three mil
btw reggie would be almost 6 mil....hence bethlehem baskett being gone and not reginald
Hooray for guaranteed contracts?
Quote from: bowzer on September 15, 2009, 07:46:43 PM
Isn't it ironic that Winston Justice might end up having a better career with the Eagles than Shawn Andrews.
Not ironic; depressing
why so angry at Shawn? You knew this was coming... (http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/20090916_Gonzo___The_anger_over_Eagles__Shawn_Andrews.html)
knew what was coming?....did you read the article...its pretty even keel if you ask me
and ive been on the "i dont understand why people are so mad at the big kid bus" for a year now
Gonzo is the one saying that we all knew this was coming, not Ed.
that easy is tricky
word
HOW DARE YOU DEstilupfrontATE EASY LIKE THAT
APOLOGIZE NOW, FATTY
edit: haha
meh, i say who cares. if people wanna be angry let them, they every right to be. if you're not that's fine too.
let the fruit loop go do what he's gonna do. i will put my energy into the 53guys still playing.
glad I've got permission. i'm putting my energy into hating on the soft beast
i don't think anyone's really annoyed/pissed at him for being hurt all the time and having a farged up back. but it's the fact that he's collecting a paycheck from the eagles and seems to be interested in everything except football. i don't want to see youtube videos of him rapping or reciting poetry or whatever the farg else he does. go to treatment, get in the gym and get your fat ass back on the field.....you know, do the crap you're getting paid to do.
People seem to be pissed because the "Big Kid" is getting paid handsomely to act like a big kid. Plus, he has so much talent yet he will probably never reach his potential, and that may be infuriating to some. It's understandable.
Also, I think if there would have been more articles or coverage on how hard he was working to try and get back to playing condition and battle through the pain then he would have a much more positive public perception, but that doesn't seem to be the case -- at least I haven't seen much coverage documenting his workout regimen or his desire to return to the game. Oh well.
Quote from: Eaglez on September 16, 2009, 01:13:33 PM
Also, I think if there would have been more articles or coverage on how hard he was working to try and get back to playing condition and battle through the pain then he would have a much more positive public perception, but that doesn't seem to be the case -- at least I haven't seen much coverage documenting his workout regimen or his desire to return to the game. Oh well.
true to a certain degree. what's really killing him is all of his youtube crap. unless he starts posting videos of him rehabing and working out, etc, etc, then no one is going to care about the article that says he's working hard when they see videos of him farging off.
it's a case of "perception is reality" with him. i'm sure he is working quite hard during the day so he can get back into football. i'm sure he loves football and wants to be on the field. but if the pen is mightier than the sword then the video camera kicks the shtein out of the pen. and when you're in his position, you have to be smart enough (or his agent should be smart enough) to know that it's probably not a good idea to throw youtube videos up that show you doing anything and everything except taking football seriously. hell, if i'm the jeff lurie, i'd be pissed about it because i'm not paying him to do all that crap.
I could care less about how much money Jeff Lurie is paying him.
What pisses me off most is as old as dirt: the guy was a stud, a bona fide best in league guard, a monster, a player who actually made me happy.....and he shat the bed, proved himself to be quacked out and soft, and proved me a sucker for hoping and believing that maybe the Eagles had a bad motherfarger for a change
What cracks me up is how personal people make it. Some of the comments posted on his YouTube page are ridiculous. Some internet tough guy posted his on the EMB and was flamed. He took exception from others ripping him for ripping Andrews and then it offered to meet a few posters to show him how tough he is.
I don't get the anger towards Andrews. Back injuries are no joke. The rush to judgment about his will to play the game despite him saying otherwise is wrong.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 16, 2009, 02:46:45 PM
What cracks me up is how personal people make it. Some of the comments posted on his YouTube page are ridiculous. Some internet tough guy posted his on the EMB and was flamed. He took exception from others ripping him for ripping Andrews and then it offered to meet a few posters to show him how tough he is.
I don't get the anger towards Andrews. Back injuries are no joke. The rush to judgment about his will to play the game despite him saying otherwise is wrong.
Yeah I don't condone people personally getting upset at Andrews, but if he ever wants to get a large payday in the NFL ever again he needs to do some reputation control to demonstrate that he is working towards shaking his depression (which I imagine he is still struggling with) and documenting his rehab to show he is committed to playing every week at the highest level. He may be doing it -- but he needs to get a publicist that is able to convey that.
All I hear about Andrews is that "I feel great," the doctors ostensibly think that there is nothing systemically wrong with his back, he conveyed the notion that he was excited to play along side his brother, and yet he's put on the shelf for the rest of the year. It just seems like a strange sequence of events.
At this point I'm sure the Eagles are trying to find a way to take the smallest cap hit possible, cut ties, and maybe give him a shot to get his life and health together unless he demonstrates some remarkable change that is worth keeping him around for the 2010-11 season.
When he is on IR, insurance also pays for his salary, not the team.
I blew out a disc in my back a few years ago, I know back injuries are no picnic. It's just that he hasn't presented an image that makes us think he's been putting 100% into his Eagle career. Even the back injury itself leaves things unclear; was it bad luck? Not working out hard enough? Working out too hard? (how I hurt mine! tried to lift too much weight)
QuoteCenter Jamaal Jackson can appreciate what Shawn and Stacy Andrews almost had this season. Jackson's brother, Jervonte, was a defensive tackle who was with the Eagles in training camp.
While Jervonte didn't make the team, it looked like the two Andrews brothers would get to play alongside each other on the same offensive line. That's not going to happen this season now that Shawn Andrews is on Injured Reserve because of his back injury. Even if the Eagles were to make the playoffs, Andrews couldn't return.
"I feel bad for him because he fought back," Jackson said. "In the position that he's in, you don't get to play next to your brother in the NFL often. I think he really, really wanted to come out and be here for his brother first and foremost, and for the team."
While it may not happen in 2009, Andrews' teammates have faith that he will return.
"He's going to get stronger and he'll be back," Stacy Andrews said. "I know without a doubt that he wants to keep playing. I want him to also. Why wouldn't he? We're both here."
And his teammates believe that it's Andrews' back that's keeping him off the field, not a lack of desire to play.
"I think he still has Pro Bowl capability in him. You just hope that thing works out for him as far as the whole back injury goes," Jackson said.
"I can see the pain when he gets up, sits down, all of that," Stacy Andrews said. "It's something that he's going to have to deal with and get it stronger."
The chance to play with Shawn was also enticing for Jason Peters. The two mauled people as teammates and roommates at Arkansas.
"I had high expectations to play with my old teammate," Peters said. "It didn't work out. Things happen. I'm just going to go forward and try to win a championship."
Now, the offensive line can focus on Winston Justice being the man at the top of the depth chart at right tackle. Jackson said that Justice has become a "fine offensive lineman" after the infamous Giants game in 2007 where all of the linemen should have been held accountable.
"He got that stigma on him from that one game. Let's not take away from what happened. We gave up 12 sacks that game," Jackson said. "It wasn't all his fault. There were a lot of things other guys could have done a lot better. You can't place that responsibility on one person."
Another player who might be out Sunday is quarterback Donovan McNabb. If Kevin Kolb starts, Peters said that he doesn't expect the game plan to change from the offensive line perspective.
"I think he's going to do well. We just have to go out there and step our game up. You can't really replace a Donovan, but Kolb's going to come in and do his thing," Peters said. "We have to step our game up another notch."
QuoteEagles sources say Shawn Andrews is really hurt
By Bob Brookover
Inquirer Staff Writer
The Eagles' final answer on Shawn Andrews came Tuesday morning, when team officials decided to place their offensive tackle on injured reserve, putting an official end to the star-crossed player's season.
At some point in the near future, Andrews will jet off to Los Angeles and begin his second West Coast rehabilitation session in as many seasons as he tries to recover from a back problem that will have forced him to miss all but two games in the last two years.
Left behind in Philadelphia are his teammates, including his older brother, Stacy, and college friend Jason Peters, and a long list of questions about one of the most enigmatic sagas in Eagles history.
At the top of that list of questions is this one: How could everything have gone so wrong for such a promising young football player?
That one may actually have the most simple of answers. While all sorts of speculation has swirled about Andrews' desire to play the game of football, the Eagles say that a severe back problem is the only reason the two-time Pro Bowl guard's career is now in jeopardy.
"He had surgery," a team source said last week. "You don't just do the surgery to do the surgery. There was obviously something in there and it was flaring up."
Another team source indicated that the Eagles thought that Andrews would play in the season opener against Carolina last Sunday even as late as Thursday afternoon after he had sat out practice and the Eagles brought in Jon Runyan for a workout at the NovaCare Complex.
"When it first happened and he wasn't at practice, I talked to him and I thought he might be at practice the next day," the source said. "The next morning I saw him and he was walking like he was in a lot of pain."
The source admitted that Andrews is difficult to read.
"Some guys you say, 'How are you feeling, how long are you going to be out?' and you get very clear answers," the source said. "Shawn could be a little bit all over the place and hard to read. That made for some complicating factors."
Andrews was unavailable to comment for this story.
Though Andrews' answers may have left the Eagles confused at times, the source said it was the results of Andrews' last magnetic resonance imaging examination that led to Tuesday morning's decision.
"We tried to treat it again and it didn't get better, so he had an MRI and several doctors looked at the MRI and saw some irregularities," the source said.
One of the doctors that looked at the most recent MRI was Robert Watkins, the Southern California-based surgeon who operated on Andrews' back last fall.
"The conclusion was they didn't think he was going to be able to play," the source said.
And so Andrews landed on injured reserve.
The complexity of Andrews' situation and personality has fueled speculation about the former first-round pick's willingness to play in pain. All you have to do to find skeptics is log onto an Eagles fan site or read many of the comments online after a story is written about the tackle.
Some of that doubt was born a year ago, when Andrews did not initially report to training camp and then said it was because of a bout with depression, a very real disease that is invisible to anyone who sees Andrews only as a professional football player.
It also probably doesn't help Andrews that he was replacing Runyan, whose off-the-chart pain tolerance allowed him to line up for every game during his nine-year Eagles career.
Runyan had off-season knee surgery. Besides the Eagles, he has met with Kansas City and Buffalo, but he remains unsigned.
Andrews' agent, Rich Moran, said his client wants to play football.
"The truth is, he's a tough, gifted and phenomenal athlete," Moran said.
Moran pointed out that Andrews weighed 402 pounds when the Eagles drafted him and he made the effort to get to 365 pounds by the start of his rookie training camp. He further noted that his client has since reduced his weight to 335 pounds and kept it there the last couple of years even as he battled to return from a surgically repaired back.
The agent said Andrews diligently rehabilitated after suffering a fractured right fibula in his very first NFL game, in 2004. The best example Moran provided of Andrews' playing hurt was during the 2006 season.
In a Christmas night upset by the Eagles at Dallas, Andrews suffered a neck injury. He was listed on the injury report with a collarbone injury the following week, but he continued to practice and played in the Eagles' final regular-season game as well as the final two playoff games.
At halftime of the second playoff game, at New Orleans, he complained of neck pain, and the Eagles rushed him to the hospital.
"His eyes were red with blood," Moran said.
Near the end of training camp the following season, Andrews did become overly dramatic and equally enigmatic when he referred to an ankle injury as a possible "tearjerker" after visiting ankle specialist Robert Anderson in North Carolina. Coach Andy Reid became irked by the entire matter and described the injury as a high ankle sprain.
Andrews returned for the start of the season and was voted to the second Pro Bowl of his career.
But 2008 became a battle with depression, followed by an early-season back injury that has now cost Andrews the last two seasons.
It also has ruined the Eagles' plans for a rebuilt offensive line that included the Andrews brothers on one side of the line with Peters on the left side.
"I think we're disappointed with the outcome because the way it looked in the spring, we thought we had two of the best tackles in the league and it was going to be awfully tough to get pressure on our quarterback," one of the team sources said.
There was speculation that the Eagles signed Peters and Stacy Andrews to help Shawn Andrews' mental state after last year's battle with depression, but the Eagles reject that notion.
"I know people think that, but it's a coincidence," Reid said. "I went for the best players I thought were available at those positions. I absolutely would have done the same thing even if Shawn wasn't here."
The Eagles also say they have a good Plan B in place, with Winston Justice replacing Andrews at right tackle, but the jury will not reach a verdict on that for a while.
Stacy Andrews said it's difficult to watch his brother being bashed by skeptics.
"It does make me a little angry," he said. "People are going on about this and that because of the depression, and they think he's playing around because he missed training camp last year. Playing together is something we've been talking about for years. Why would he try to fake something knowing that I'm here now? I know he loves football. I don't question that at all. He's been playing since he was a kid."
Moran said he asked Andrews if he wanted to play football and got a two-word reply: "Hell, yes."
Now the question is whether Andrews will ever be able to play football again. The Eagles hope the answer is yes, and all indications are that Andrews wants to go through another year of rehabilitating his surgically repaired back, which will probably begin at some point this week after he visits Watkins again in Marina Del Ray, Calif.
"Is he down? Of course," Moran said. "Does he want to hang it up? No, he wants to train and play football again. He's never given me one inclination that he doesn't want to play football again."
QuoteDoctor: Shawn Andrews' back pain real
By Bob Brookover
Inquirer Staff Writer
Shawn Andrews visited Robert Watkins in Southern California yesterday and was told his back pain is real and not all that unusual for someone who underwent the surgery he had last year.
"He has flared up," the physician said in an interview with The Inquirer. "He does not have an injury to the nerve, and there is no bad sciatic, but he is real stiff, and there is a lot of pain in his back. As he is right now, he's unable to play football because his back is hurt too badly."
Watkins said no further surgery is required, but he plans to give Andrews at least one and possibly two cortisone injections in the near future.
"Then he'll go into the rehab program that focuses on core strength," Watkins said. "I don't anticipate any more surgery. That's not the current plan. He should start the rehab program by Monday."
Watkins said it's possible that Andrews will also require anti-inflammatory medication and possibly an epidural injection if he has problems during his rehabilitation. The rehabilitation will take place in Southern California near Watkins' office in Marina Del Rey. Watkins said there is no timetable for Andrews' recovery.
"It's hard to give an estimate because you don't know how he's going to respond to things," Watkins said. "As soon as there is a decrease in inflammation, we'll watch to see how he's doing in his rehab. He'll be doing an intensive core stabilization program with levels one through five. When you get to level five, the exercises become very sport specific. Sometimes guys get to a level then have a flare-up, and you have to back off."
Watkins said Andrews will be able to continue his football career.
"I'm still optimistic that the prognosis will be good, and he'll return to being a productive professional athlete," Watkins said, basing his opinion on 30 years of work with professional athletes. "That's my best judgment right now. He could have come in here and needed more surgery, but that wasn't the case. I think he'll respond to nonoperative treatment. If something changes, we'll change the plan."
Watkins performed microscopic surgery to repair a herniated disk in Andrews' back last October and was optimistic that the Eagles' two-time Pro Bowl offensive lineman would be able to return to the field this season.
"I was very, very optimistic in the off-season," Watkins said. "We set up a real good rehab, and he did very well working with the team and their trainers, as well as a rehab specialist here. I thought he'd be back having a productive year. But then it flared up once in training camp, and we thought we got past that, and then it flared up again."
Watkins said it's not unusual for somebody who has had a herniated disk to experience the problems Andrews is currently having.
"It's a very typical type picture," Watkins said. "The pain and the disability that he has is what people get a lot of times. He didn't enjoy the complete relief like we wanted for him. His pain is real, and it's hurting him."
im actually one of the few that believes hes hurt but that sounded like doc was in an infomercial paid for by andrews selling his back pain to whoever will buy in...how many times are you gonna say "the pain is real"
how about everyone involved just shuts the farg up until his back doesnt hurt anymore and hes actually playing games
I think its real too. I doubt he's bullshteintin.
i don't doubt it's real, i just don't think he has the passion for football to try and play through it. he probably doesn't want to play unless he feels 100% good and won't try it otherwise.
I'm sure his back hurts. He weighs 340 pounds and professionally hurls himself at 290 pound defensive linemen. At no point in his life should his body ever feel good. This is his job, if he wants to do it he has to know that it's going to hurt. If he doesn't want to do it he should stop pretending that he does.
more back surgery (http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/homepage/20091126_Shawn_Andrews_needs_second_back_surgery.html)
Remember folks, cook your Andrews at 325 degrees, 15 to 20 minutes per pound today.
remember to wash first and pat dry. handle carefully. at 15 - 20 min per pound should be ready for Christmas, or maybe next season.
Quote from: BigEd76 on November 26, 2009, 11:17:47 AM
more back surgery (http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/homepage/20091126_Shawn_Andrews_needs_second_back_surgery.html)
Perhaps the crowd who believes he's sitting out because of depression would care to chime in?
Maybe he's just an overpaid injury prone piece of farging shtein?
Nah - couldn't be.
Seeking a second opinion on the back (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4694479)
Quote from: Rome on November 27, 2009, 07:15:39 PM
Maybe he's just an overpaid injury prone piece of farging shtein?
Nah - couldn't be.
Or maybe his back injuries are legit and the idiots who questioned him in the way they did, blasting him on Twitter and whatever other social media things, should be ashamed.
It might help if he stopped typing like a fargtard on myspace, twitter, facebook, or whatever the hell he uses.
He's a mental case who also happens to have a bad back because humans weren't meant to carry around 340 pounds. Wah wah wah my back hurts. OF COURSE his back hurts he hurls himself around a football field for a living. Learn to live with pain or farging retire. Either way, please do it for a team I don't give a shtein about.
Quote
For all of the people who doubted whether or not Shawn Andrews really has a back injury, well, unless the surgeons are just going in for the hell of it, it can be said for sure that Andrews really has a back injury. He has been on Twitter for days, pointing to a second surgery, and Thursday apparently is the day.
Through all of his digital ramblings, one point has remained clear throughout Andrews' ordeal: that he is firm in the belief that Eagles head coach Andy Reid remains very much in his corner.
Now comes another reiteration, as they prepared to wheel him into the operating room:
BIG RED I'm dedicating a successful surgery to you coach.. Love u man! Thanks again for not giving up on me.. U da u da best coach u da best
Andrews does not sound like someone who believes his Eagles career is over.
i wonder if reid has a twitter account so he can follow all of his players tweets
It doesn't appear so. The account name passpasspasspunt is not in use.
Quote from: rjs246 on December 01, 2009, 02:45:11 PM
He's a mental case who also happens to have a bad back because humans weren't meant to carry around 340 pounds. Wah wah wah my back hurts. OF COURSE his back hurts he hurls himself around a football field for a living. Learn to live with pain or farging retire. Either way, please do it for a team I don't give a shtein about.
Post more often, Rustykins.
I just hope he knows that no surgery is going to make him feel like he's 18 again. There are reasons doctors are having difficulty diagnosing his condition, probably because some of it is just a low tolerance for chronic pain.
or they're just having a hard time getting through all the blubber to see his innards.
Has there ever been a more frustrating Eagle? This guy literally could be one of the best if not the best O-lineman in the NFL. Problem is he is a head case and injury prone.
Quote from: General_Failure on December 03, 2009, 10:34:28 AM
It doesn't appear so. The account name passpasspasspunt is not in use.
Ahahaha...nice
Not a Les Bowen fan at all...but this was funny
Quotewe understand from Rich Hofmann's blog that the Big Kid had his back surgery today, and that he dedicated it to Andy Reid. We're thinking that means the final two minutes of the surgery were total chaos, but we're not quite sure.
how can you not love les hater
because he's as white bread as it gets and tries to act black....and its no wonder you love him.
And he knows more hockey than he ever could football.
lolololol
les bowen acts black?!?!?!?!
when did this happen
The full quote from above
QuoteFinally, Shawn Andrews is blocking your Eagletarian from his Tweets these days -- don't be hatin' on the 'tarian, Shawn! -- but we understand from Rich Hofmann's blog that the Big Kid had his back surgery today, and that he dedicated it to Andy Reid. We're thinking that means the final two minutes of the surgery were total chaos, but we're not quite sure.
what?
hes clearly mimicking and making fun of the big kids tweets
i mean trust me i wish you were right because that would just about make him the best human on earth right now but its just not true
I don't know Les personally but I agree with IGY he is about as white as they get. He also isn't nearly as bad with the Eagles as he was a few years ago.
QuoteWednesday, January 20, 2010
Shawn Andrews: I owe Reid, Philly Listen to this article.
Shawn Andrews is four-and-a-half weeks removed from back surgery. Next up is a six-month rehab process.
Since the Eagles put Shawn Andrews on injured reserve in the preseason, we haven't heard much from him, aside from his very active Twitter account.
But he opened up last week in a radio interview on the Sports Bash with Mike Gill on 97.3 ESPN.
Andrews said he's about four-and-a-half-weeks removed from back surgery. The next step is to get cleared for rehab. Once that happens, it will be (ideally) a six-month process, but he said he hopes to be ready for training camp.
Andrews talked at length about being motivated to pay back Andy Reid, who has stood by him the past couple of seasons.
"When I came out to LA after my back issue, I had to look coach Reid in the eye and tell him I owe him," Andrews said. "It's bigger than football with me right now. If nothing else, I just wish that I could get just one more season just so I can pay coach Reid and just prove to the fans that I still have it, I still want to be a part of this organization. And for coach Reid sticking by me with my situation in 2008, and I definitely owe the city of Philadelphia so hopefully lord willing, I can get back to 100 percent and get to mashing people again."
Andrews added that things are going well, but he acknowledged that things were going well last year before his back flared up on the first day of training camp at Lehigh.
He was asked the question that is brought up constantly when Andrews' name is discussed: Does he want to play football?
"Well, see, that's the thing," Andrews said. "The depression thing and everybody's like 'that's a bunch of bull.' Everybody has their thing. I think a lot of people are upset, and I guess rightfully so, but everybody has high points and low points in life, and everybody makes mistakes. And it just so happens at an unfortunate time that I went through my debacle, and I'm over that now. I have a new-found love and respect for the game. I'll say 110 percent if there's such a thing. I really look forward to getting back to football."
Here are some other notes from the interview:
On his love for music: "You have to have something to fall back on, and whenever my football career is over, I'm going to go to recording school and I will be a Grammy producer so it's just one of the things I've been blessed with."
On Donovan McNabb: "If you look at Donovan's track record, he's obviously one of the best, if not the best, quarterback in Eagles history. And the guy is a leader. And he has this personality that if you're not around him, you won't get that feel. But he leads by example, and I think he should be with the Eagles for as long as he wants to play, or he's able to play."
On watching the Eagles' playoff loss to the Cowboys: "It was so frustrating to know that that's my unit. That's the guys that I have worked hard with over the past few years whenever I'm healthy and whenever I'm there. And then just to see those guys struggle alone, not so much alone, but just without me being out there. If they struggle, I want to struggle with them."
Ugh...
Nauseating.
Just thought I'd share.
pencil him in on the PUP list to start the season. I love you Shawn!
To give us one more year, thanks Shawn
Dead.
Rome thinking something is nauseating or ridiculous?! Shocking!
There is no possible way you're going to sit here and defend that pile of horseshtein, are you?
Why is it that whenever someone on the team (players, FO, coaches, McNabb himself) talks about McNabb, they all feel compelled to talk about how he is a leader? Over and over again. I don't hear this kind of rhetoric from the Colts about Manning, or the Pats about Brady.
Quote from: Rome on January 20, 2010, 07:50:08 PM
There is no possible way you're going to sit here and defend that pile of horseshtein, are you?
Yes, of course.
Quote from: Eagaholic on January 20, 2010, 09:08:08 PM
Why is it that whenever someone on the team (players, FO, coaches, McNabb himself) talks about McNabb, they all feel compelled to talk about how he is a leader? Over and over again. I don't hear this kind of rhetoric from the Colts about Manning, or the Pats about Brady.
LOL, I do.
Taking an idea from Chad Johnson, McNabb had his name legally changed to Donovan McNabb Is A Great Leader.
Would have been a great story for the old CF. :-D
maybe gf can start putting faux stories back on the front page and he can hire our very own punky jewster to write them for him.
You've been saving that one.
nope. they just come to me on the fly. like a few weeks ago when my savage g/f and i were playing monopoly. she went bankrupt and i called her broke-ahontas. i'm a funny guy sometimes.
playing monopoly? you really know how to woo 'em
Quote from: Eagaholic on January 20, 2010, 09:08:08 PM
Why is it that whenever someone on the team (players, FO, coaches, McNabb himself) talks about McNabb, they all feel compelled to talk about how he is a leader? Over and over again. I don't hear this kind of rhetoric from the Colts about Manning, or the Pats about Brady.
I actually have heard a alot players rave about Manning as a great leader....more-so than Brady... but when something is such a given you dont hear it that often
unlike mcnabb who has been crucified over the years for his inability to be a leader, players prob feel more compelled to butter up the guy because he has the canny ability to always play the nice guy role, and most importantly has coach chubs a lot in his back pocket for lobbying power.
Quote from: Diomedes on January 21, 2010, 04:58:32 AM
playing monopoly? you really know how to woo 'em
yeah, that was just a mid-week treat for her. on special occasions i get all cassanova on that ass and break out scrabble.
Not possible. Scrabble requires spelling and we all know that squaws aren't literate.
that's why we play. it's a great educational tool for her. plus i can just make shtein up and blast triple word scores all night long.
vely funny Meester PSN
^-^
Quote from: Sgt PSN on January 21, 2010, 01:52:19 PM
that's why we play. it's a great educational tool for her. plus i can just make shtein up and blast triple word scores all night long.
Please tell me this isn't a metaphor.
Please?
:-[
It's definitely not a metaphor. Euphemism, maybe.
It could be an innuendo, depending on where he does the blasting.
RELEASED
Nice.
wow, no shtein!
His brother is definitely going to be a superstar for this team now.
They had to move on. I have no problem with it.
up on PE.com now
OT rd 1 this year--nice
pretty sure at no point were they letting shawn andrews dictate their draft strategy...and if his release did it would mean OG first round
Bye Bye Beast
Espn's headline on it is:
Eagles cut lineman Andrews without explanation
Really? LOL
lol...as if it wasn't self-explanatory. I'd be offended if they provided one.
he was farging their draft strategy up
Therapy time guys hit chall "Da Reckla" as my G.G. Mom used to say!! I'm On...
No.
They sure took their sweet time getting around to this move.
Mike Iuputi (sp?) the next 1st round pick of the Eagles, book it.
sign fraley, move cole back to guard.
peters, herremans, cakes, cole, s. andrews
super bowl.
/thread.
Fraley already signed somewhere else, dummy.
then trade for him.
they still have a first rounder, right?
cakes = worth it.
That's Buns to you.
this news gave me a woody.
good riddance
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 17, 2010, 02:25:17 PM
Therapy time guys hit chall "Da Reckla" as my G.G. Mom used to say!! I'm On...
What. The. farg?
nice. keep clearing out that dead weight
Quote from: hbionic on March 17, 2010, 06:08:00 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 17, 2010, 02:25:17 PM
Therapy time guys hit chall "Da Reckla" as my G.G. Mom used to say!! I'm On...
What. The. farg?
this guy just went down in my rankings for talking like a rapper circa 1993
Quote from: reese125 on March 17, 2010, 07:18:07 PM
Quote from: hbionic on March 17, 2010, 06:08:00 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 17, 2010, 02:25:17 PM
Therapy time guys hit chall "Da Reckla" as my G.G. Mom used to say!! I'm On...
What. The. farg?
this guy just went down in my rankings for talking like a rapper circa 1993
vanilla ice lives.
didnt think i needed to explain but that was the big kids first twitter after the news broke
I thought his first Twitter was "bye bye Birds"
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 17, 2010, 08:03:27 PM
didnt think i needed to explain but that was the big kids first twitter after the news broke
hard to tell considering you and shawn have comparable skillz when it comes to spittin' rhymes.
any chance this thread can be deleted so we never have to discuss that thieving buffoon ever again?
Quote from: Rome on March 18, 2010, 09:00:34 AM
any chance this thread can be deleted so we never have to discuss that thieving buffoon ever again?
post of the year
He will be broke and homeless in 3 years. Luckily he will have healthcare.
Quote"There is an X coworker of mine who is now doing radio taking shots @ me. He better relax before I pull a Ocho Cinco. I'm so not the controversial type..... I wouldn't disrespect one of my own to get a check.. GOD Bless u bro..."
Quote"If u have a job, and you get hurt on the job, and because your job know that u can help them succeed they keep u on the payroll til u are healthy or until they decide to go in another direction... Is that stealing???"
...then he changed his name to Random73 and claims he's done with Twitter.
QuoteTWITTER ITS BEEN REAL GOOD TO MEET "CHALL".. HOPE EVERYONE SUCEEDS @ WHATEVER YALL SET FOR IN LIFE. MY LAST TWEET. SHAWN
death
I feel sorry for him.
Who is this ex-coworker? Hugh Douglas?
ike i presume...were they teammates?
but i listened all week and he went at him a little but nothing even close to over the top...eskin is the one who absolutely murders him
i didn't care what that meathead bitch had to say when he was an eagle. why the farg would i care what he has to say now?
You have to work to have coworkers.
runyan was on the morning show Friday morning, i was almost in north jersey when he came on and i lost WIP, so i didn't hear what he had to say
andrews is crazy but again i give him props for swindling loads of $ away from jeffy's stingy pockets. hes probably already wasted all of it on laptops, sound engineering equipment and magic beans, but then again, its better he puts the $ back into the economy than it sitting in lurie's war chest.
QuoteShawn Andrews gets drafted
Posted by Mike Florio on June 2, 2010 8:48 PM ET
Earlier this year, the Eagles cut offensive lineman Shawn Andrews.
He now has a new job, if he wants one. The Omaha Nighthawks made Andrews the first pick in the third round of the UFL draft.
The five-team league is tweeting all picks in the 12-round process. The first selection was defensive end DeWayne White, who has spent seven season in the NFL but who currently has no job.
That news will definitely help ease his depression.
When I saw new posts here I thought he offed himself. :poison
so this happened...
QuoteRoster move to close camp...#NYG have signed former Eagle and 3-time Pro Bowl OL Shawn Andrews...team waived OL Cliff Louis to make room.
Did he really make three pro bowls?
Hopefully that works out about as well for them as when they signed Jerome McDougle.
Quotegiantspathanlon
#NYG GM JReese on Andrews: been monitoring Shawn's progress for awhile, had a very good workout for us, can play both G and both T positions
sure he can
The Eagles have the slightly less sucky Andrews brother. Maybe.
got my michael phelps on, my michael phelps on..
As if I needed more contempt for Andrews.
fargin asshat
did he have his vag removed ?
i hope not
i just walked into the middle of it on wip but apparently this dope took a shot at the eagles??
EVIL FO!
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 20, 2010, 04:09:52 PM
i just walked into the middle of it on wip but apparently this dope took a shot at the eagles??
What did he say?
i never really caught it....i looked and couldnt find anything....they probably were exaggerating it
http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2010/08/shawn_andrews_glad_to_be_with.html
Quote
ALBANY, N.Y. – Shawn Andrews said he was playing on his iPad while his agent and the Giants finished the details of a still-undisclosed contract at about 1:15 a.m. today.
The game he was playing? "Angry Birds."
Make the connection to the Eagles if you will. Someone did when Andrews mentioned the game to reporters during an impromptu press conference on the UAlbany field later this morning.
"Isn't that ironic?" Philly's former first-round pick and the newest Giant said of his game of choice before adding with a laugh about the comment: "That was good."
The Giants closed out training camp with an intriguing and surprising move by signing Andrews Friday. The 6-4, 330 pounder, whom coach Tom Coughlin refused to peg as a guard or tackle as of now, brings with him a ton of potential but plenty of questions in the form of problems both mental and physical that concerned the Eagles in the past.
Asked about his former employer and why things went sour, Andrews stated his being released in March was "very untimely." But while he hinted his situation with the Eagles was "interesting," he declined to get into specifics.
"It was a lot, man," he said following a pause. "I don't really want to harp on that. The past is the past. The only time I look in the rearview is for the cops and I don't speed. I'll just kind of leave that where it is."
Still, Andrews' insistence he wanted to play in the NFC East near his old "friends" in Philadelphia indicated the Giants interested him in part because of their two games against the Eagles each season. His agent, Rich Moran, said via e-mail Andrews worked out for another team recently and had two more workouts scheduled. But Andrews decided to cancel those meetings to join the Giants.
Being on the other side of the Giants-Eagles rivalry has him excited.
"I am, (but) I have to get there first," he said. "I'm not making this Shawn vs. the Eagles thing. I don't have any bad blood toward them. It was just an untimely release, they wanted to go in another direction and I just kept working my tail off."
Andrews, who played only two games in 2008 and missed all of last season, claims his back is feeling better after working the past 10 months at Select Physical Therapy in Culver City, Calif. Andrews stated he's undergone a pair of surgeries – one in March 2009 and another nine months later – he described as "partial disk removals." He believes he's done everything to improve his health but won't know for sure until he starts going through drills in practice next week.
"I've put myself through various tests and the only test for football is being on the field," he said. "Just kind of going slow, a few plays here see how the back holds up. But I'm laying it on the line, not that I haven't before but this is it. The Giants are going to get everything from me."
Andrews said he needs to realize "the difference of (being) football sore and the back hurting. I've done everything to prevent it. We'll see what happens. May God be with me."
But what about the other issue that kept him off the field in Philadelphia: his past bouts with depression? The Giants' signing of Andrews indicates they believe there are no issues there, so what was it that allowed them to get to that point?
"He's been here for a couple of days and had interviews with basically everybody in here," Coughlin said. "He's been to dinner with our personnel people and Jerry Reese. People have spent a lot of time with him. I spent a good half-hour with him (Thursday). The quality of the football player that I remember a few years ago is outstanding, knowing he went through some issues – the back and some other issues he had to deal with.
"But sensing now he really is motivated, has both feet on the ground where he wants to play. Just a pleasant young man to visit with and he does indicate to you the kind of desire he has to get back in the game."
Said Andrews, "My head is in the game. It's always been in the game. I just had some setbacks there and it was untimely. I've heard every excuse for myself why things happened back in 2008 that happened. We all go through things and a lot of people, I've learned, that point the finger are probably going through a lot of things themselves and it just makes them feel stronger to point the finger at someone else. I know the God I serve is a forgiving God and he's a God of second chances so why not give a guy a second chance who's passionate about what he does."
* * * *
The immediate reaction from some of our readers and my Twitter followers was what does this signing mean about RG Chris Snee (knee) and LG Rich Seubert (hand)? I asked Coughlin if the team was at all concerned about the health of those players.
"No, not at all," Coughlin said. "It's just another quality football player who helps us."
Look, clearly this says the Giants are trying to improve their depth as well as their prospects moving forward. If Andrews shows signs of being his old self, they have a shot to add a high-quality starter at any of the guard positions or at tackle.
But as for whether they're hiding something on Snee or Seubert, I'd say that doesn't appear to be the case. Neither player, however, will play on Saturday night against the Steelers.
* * * *
QB Eli Manning left camp early to have the stitches in his head examined. No word on whether they were going to be removed today.
* * * *
WR Ramses Barden (back) disputed Tom Coughlin's notion he'll be out "a while."
Barden said he doesn't think he'll be sidelined that long. But when asked for a time frame and a specific description of his injury, last year's third-round pick was cautious in choosing his words.
"It's ... it's ... it, uh ... let me see how I can put this," he said.
I told him to put it "the most informative way possible," to which he replied, "Yeah, you'd like that, wouldn't you?"
Barden eventually decided he'd better stay out of this one. But when he finally got to his car, he yelled back in my direction, "Hey, how about this? It's not chronic."
Okay then.
* * * *
I'll have more from some of Andrews' new teammates, including some who faced him, later on. But for now, here are the leftovers of his session with the media:
(On interest from other teams)
There were a few teams interested. Some fell back and some persistent in their pursuing me. I'm here so...
(On why he picked the Giants)
They kind of picked me but I picked them, as well. I just like the atmosphere. The guys I met, I can tell genuine people when I see them. It's right up the road in the NFC same division where I come from. Its real intense and I like that.
(On whether he'll play guard or tackle)
A little bit of both. Wherever I fit in, wherever coach Coughlin and the offensive line coach (Pat) Flaherty sees me. I'm just here to get it done wherever they put me.
(On his back)
The back is feeling good. I've been working hard. I've been going hard. Not that I never worked hard in my life but this is my last attempt at it and I'm going all out. I'm selling out.
(On why he didn't retire)
I could have but I'm a competitor. I'm in the footsteps of the great Larry Allen. I want to be that good and even better. I have a chance to do that. In this conference, it's competitive and I think I have a good shot to achieve that. Hopefully everything goes well and it's back to kicking butt.
(On whether he failed a physical with the Eagles in the spring)
That's kind of tricky right there., I won't say that. Nah, I didn't.
(On what went bad in Philly)
It was very interesting. I don't really want to get into that and make it a battle but the time of my release was very untimely. I'm a Giant now. That's all I can say, that's all I can rest my hat on. I've been working hard and I'm a Giant.
(On being a Giant)
It kind of has a ring to it. It really does have a ring to it. And it's right up the road. I made some friends back in Philly, New Jersey but I'm just right up the Turnpike. It just gives me another opportunity to stay in this conference and compete. I think the Giants did a ... to be here. So I'm excited.
(On whether he prefers guard or tackle)
I like the right now aspect of the physicalness of playing guard but at tackle I kind of like the aspect of showing my footwork a little bit, showing off, if you will. It's all physical but I like both aspects, Wherever they want me to be, that's where I'm going to be.
(On what his brother, Eagles tackle Stacy Andrews said)
He was excited for me. I texted him and I told him I was close to being a Giant last night and I guess he woke up and heard the news this morning and was texting me. It was a little jargon we talk to each other with. But he was excited for me.
(On regaining his form or settling for less)
I never set the bar low. If I set the bar low, I wouldn't be here and I wouldn't have gone through a second surgery and I wouldn't have come here to work out. I always want to be the best. I want to do better than good enough and that's what I aim to do.
how can he Possibly have bad feelings for a team that kept him around through all of his bullshtein? Seriously? farging headcase.
Would rather have him at LG than MJG right now. Or maybe even at RG instead of Stacey.
The OL looks awful.
Should have kept him.
just all around hideous
Almost on a Cole Hamels level
He's going to be the Cris Carter of O-lineman.
Ashley Fox: Shawn Andrews is now the Giants' problem. (http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/20100821_Ashley_Fox___Shawn_Andrews_is_now_the_Giants__problem.html)
Quote from: Sgt PSN on August 20, 2010, 11:00:26 PM
He's going to be the Cris Carter of O-lineman.
i agree....this is not going to end well for the eagles...
Quote
Former Eagle Shawn Andrews plans to prove doubters wrong with Giants
By MARCUS HAYES
Philadelphia Daily News
hayesm@phillynews.com
EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J. - He had yet to take a hit or absorb a block, but Shawn Andrews had his reconstructed back up before his first live practice with the Giants, his new team.
Andrews' message:
He's tough, and he wants to play football. He wants to play for, say, 8 more years. Anyone who questions his message is dead wrong.
"I just think back to how I felt after my first surgery," Andrews said yesterday morning, standing in front of his new locker with its shiny "NY" helmet hung on a peg behind him. "And after my second surgery. Getting up, with a reservoir in my back, draining blood."
Andrews, rising from a sickbed, intent on rebirth.
Andrews, yesterday, 8 months later, after endless hours of rehabilitation work, back in the NFL, taking snaps at left guard with the third-team offensive line.
That's a different image from the one painted by pundits and onlookers who cast him as soft and kooky.
That's Bednarik, not Barney.
"I'm here for a reason. I'm a competitor," Andrews said. "People telling me I don't want to play football anymore, that I don't have a love for the game . . . Me being back speaks for itself."
He could have quit. He was the Eagles' first-round pick in 2004. He went to the Pro Bowl at right guard in 2006 and 2007.
That pedigree has little relevance now, since he injured his back in Game 2 of the 2008 season, which led to his first operation, then needed another surgery in December. He signed a 6-year deal that, according to the Star-Ledger, of Newark, N.J., could pay him approximately $40 million, but he was given only $250,000 in bonus money and will make only $1.25 million in base salary this year if he makes the team.
He is damaged goods reborn, ready to convince the NFL and the Giants and himself and, of course, the Eagles. Andrews professes to have no hard feelings, but then, his brother, Stacy, is the Eagles' current right guard (they hadn't spoken since Shawn signed).
Still, the abruptness with which the Eagles cut ties after standing by him so long took away his breath.
"It's like, 'We're going to release you, here. I'm going to let the media know.' It happened like [snap of the fingers], that. It was fast," Andrews recounted.
He wouldn't confirm that it was head coach Andy Reid who called him, but, when pressed, he allowed that it sounded a lot like Reid's delivery.
Perhaps the Eagles were "swayed," he said, by what he perceived to be a fan base eager for his departure, but Andrews insisted that there is "no bad blood."
"I don't want no 'Shawn vs. the Eagles' going on," he said.
He insists that he failed no physical in March; that, in fact, he took no physical in March and was at the beginning of a therapy track that had just begun when the Eagles released him.
The Eagles never have publicly said Andrews failed a physical. It was Andrews himself Friday who asserted that the Eagles released him because of a failed physical.
Andrews' is an interesting universe, no?
It was a universe in flux until Friday, when the Giants signed him.
It was a universe that began to right itself at practice yesterday afternoon.
As intermittent rain soaked the grounds at the Giants' swampy practice site, the team worked indoors at the Timex Performance Center in shorts, helmets and shoulder pads. Andrews took 15 live snaps, three of them in a one-on-one drill. All of his snaps came with the third team - 12 at left guard, three at left tackle.
Andrews played right tackle in college and right guard with the Eagles. Not only is he now learning a new offense, he's learning it from the left side.
With Andrews lined up at left guard, defensive tackle Chris Canty swam past him in a one-on-one matchup; then, with Andrews lined up a left tackle, defensive end Dave Tollefson sped past him.
However, Andrews looked competent, healthy and powerful during the full-team drills, at both positions, both running and passing. Twice, at left guard, he snuffed out stunting defensive linemen, part of the offensive line's ballet.
Giants coach Tom Coughlin was impressed.
"I like what he did," Coughlin said. "He's starting to be spoon-fed the offense, which is foreign to him."
Andrews, 27, is trim and fluid at 6-4 and 330 pounds, with a strengthened core and loose hips - his back needs that, he said.
How well he has recovered will be better measured today, after 2 hours on artificial turf, and in the weeks to come, as his frame acclimates itself to pro football.
"I have to decipher the football soreness vs. if there's an issue with the back," Andrews said. "I feel like I have a pretty high pain tolerance."
Andrews also said he felt as comfortable playing on the left side of the line as the right side because he is lefthanded.
Coughlin did not exactly support that theory.
Coughlin also has denied the Giants signed Andrews because they're banged up on a thin line, a denial that seems unsupportable. Left guard Rich Seubert has a broken hand. Right guard Chris Snee has issues with his left knee. Fifth-round rookie Mitch Petrus is playing on the second team at left guard.
Assuming Andrews remains healthy and can absorb enough of the Giants' scheme, he might play Saturday when the Giants visit the Ravens, Coughlin said.
Also, pointedly, Andrews said he hopes anyone who doubted him - including members of the Philadelphia press corps, which was represented yesterday - will reassess their perspectives, and re-evaluate themselves.
"Even some of the [reporters] I developed a good relationship with in the media in Philly, it's like, 'Shawn's a G-man now, so, let's ride the wave of, he didn't want to play football. He stole money,' " Andrews said "How did I steal money from the Eagles organization? It's not like I held a gun to their head and said, 'Hey, keep me here.' I had a back injury. I went through a depression. That's a thing of the past."
Andrews missed part of training camp in 2008 because of depression. In the brutish, conformist world of the NFL, such subtle luxuries as maintaining mental health can ruin a player.
For a player such as Andrews, with his dyed and Mohawked hair and his extensive use of Twitter, debilitating depression served as a death knell for his image. He's willing to rebuild that image.
"Everybody has trials in life," Andrews said. "I've found that all the people who point fingers - they really have something going on, as well. I just pray for them. That's what I do. That's what I do, guys."
He then folded his hands in prayer, bowed to his questioners, and went to lunch. *
Shouldn't have released him.
lol at believing anything that comes out of his mouth
i could care less what he says...all im saying is id rather have him on my team right now than any lineman they have except herremans and peters...and while he isnt really going to be cris carter and make the hall of fame i think he comes back strong
I wouldn't. The guy isn't dependable and should really be in an institution somewhere getting help, not out on the football field. He was released roughly 6 months ago and he just got signed? Teams know he's nuts, the Giants are desperate. He's basically McDougle plus a mental illness and minus the gunshot wounds.
he won't make it through this season without another back issue followed by some more fun videos.
Good thing we have FF here to update Andrew's twitter status for us.
true dat !
Quote from: SD on August 24, 2010, 08:51:32 AM
Good thing we have FF here to update Andrew's twitter status for us.
I don't follow him. I follow Barack Obama, J Hentz, and the ACLU but not Shawn Andrews.
Quote from: FastFreddie on August 24, 2010, 09:03:14 AM
Quote from: SD on August 24, 2010, 08:51:32 AM
Good thing we have FF here to update Andrew's twitter status for us.
I don't follow him. I follow Barack Obama, J Hentz, and the ACLU but not Shawn Andrews.
you forgot buzz
Everyone should follow Buzz. But those other three are significantly less interesting.
Shawn Andrews farging blows and will give birth to rat-monkeys before he ever sniffs a probowl again. He's got ass for brains and needs to go back into his hole.
Quote from: rjs246 on August 24, 2010, 09:24:30 AM
Shawn Andrews farging blows and will give birth to rat-monkeys
(http://images.damncrows.com/img/upld/thats-racist.gif)
Actually I was thinking more along the lines of this...
(http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:wTG9MGQxiROQIM:http://www.nationmaster.com/wikimir/images/upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/90/Sumatranratmonkey.jpg&t=1)
Hit
I'm not worried. No way his back holds up, nevermind his erratic mental state.