http://www.philly.com/dailynews/sports/20080718_Eagles_-_Reid_enters_10th_year_with_Eagles.html
QuoteEverybody who knows the story of how Reid became the Eagles' coach knows about the notebook that so impressed Lurie and team president Joe Banner - the notebook stuffed with plans and tips Reid accumulated toward the day when he would be a head coach. Much of it was the blueprint he copied from Mike Holmgren's Super Bowl-winning tenure with the Packers. Now, Reid says, there are three notebooks - the original, another with all the stuff he has learned since becoming a head coach, and a separate personnel binder, with the lessons from his seven seasons in charge of those decisions.
"I go back to the old one, to make sure I'm not too far away from the original [concepts]. It's a good reference,'' Reid said. He added that his methods, once nearly 100 percent copied from Holmgren, now are more 60-40 Holmgren and accumulated Reid wisdom.[/quote[
Quote"I remember a lot of players needed IVs the first day,'' Reid recalled. "I gave 'em the schedule before we left [for Lehigh]. I told 'em, 'Training camp is tough. I won't run ya after practice, that's not what I'm going to do, I'm going to run you during practice, from drill to drill and so on.' I remember 'em looking at me like, 'That doesn't sound too intimidating.' But I warned 'em that, 'Listen, you'd better come back in great shape, because this'll wear you out if you don't.' They didn't take it the way they should've . . . It wasn't any different than what we did the other years, but [subsequently] guys just prepared better in the offseason.''
Reid said he was not trying to be "the new sheriff,'' not aiming to show these guys how tough he was. Then, as now, Reid ran tightly scripted practices. No walking back to the huddle, no breaks between drills. It was a different pace.
The guys who were out there on the field remember it a little differently than the coach, 10 camps later. Yes, the pace thing was there, it was real, but that wasn't the whole deal, they say.
"It was absolutely brutal,'' recalled safety Brian Dawkins, the longest-tenured current Eagle, preparing for his 13th season. "We had a lot of contact. We were tackling to the ground, live periods all over the place. It was brutally hot. The tempo was different from what we were used to. All those live periods, back-to-back, day after day after day. It was a tough, tough camp.
"Every time a new head coach comes in, it's kind of the same thing. They're going to turn the fire up and see if they can weed out some people that don't want to be here. That's kind of what I expected going in, and that's what happened. Some guys that - I mean, none of us liked it - but some of them were very boisterous about not appreciating the tempo and how much contact we were having.''
That's how former Eagles linebacker Ike Reese remembers it, as well. Reese was a second-year player then, whose only previous camp was under Ray Rhodes, known as a players' coach.
"My first year, under Ray Rhodes, I don't want to say it was a country club, but it was more of a relaxed atmosphere. Ray was prone to give veterans days off and we didn't do as much tackling,'' Reese said. "At Andy's training camp, we tackled every day . . . that was like a shock to all of us. I thought Andy turned up the heat on us purposely, to basically see what he had, who were the guys who were going to fight through it. He didn't give us days off, like he started to do later on, to reward us for hard practices. He was going to weed out the weaklings, see who was going to fight through it, who was going to make excuses and come up with fake injuries, find their way out of practice.''
The one name nearly every fan recalls from Reid's first preseason is that of George Hegamin, the big guard who learned on a Sunday morning that he'd been demoted from a starting spot and briefly left the team, missing practice, before returning and apologizing. Before he took Hegamin back (only to cut him in the final roster trim a few weeks later), Reid did something he has never done since. The coach who has become famous (or, depending on how you look at it, infamous) for never severely criticizing or punishing his players in public view invited reporters to watch Hegamin, all by himself, push a blocking sled around the field.
Dawkins believes the Reid he knows now wouldn't do something like that. Reid said he hasn't had to, after doing it that once.
"I thought it was important to set a foundation for things. This is a business, and you just can't skip a practice and it be OK. That's just not what it is,'' Reid said, when asked to revisit the incident. "George is a great kid. I really like George. Thank goodness, he came into the locker room and said, 'Hey, I screwed up, I was wrong.' He did the right thing.
"What it did was say, 'Hey, listen, I don't have a lot of rules, just follow the ones I have.' They're all basic, common sense.''
least appealing thread title ever
Yeah, really. Wouldn't a better title for this thread by 0 for 10?
I think Andy is doing a solid job in comparison to the vast majority of NFL head coaches. I know he knows alot more about personell then fans and commentators. If he feels his offense will work fine with his existing WR's why should any of us have the audacity to assume we know better? Remember, we didn't win a SB with TO, and the Patriots didn't win one with Moss. The biggest play by a WR in the last SB was a 4th guy (Tyree).
With your first post here, you sidle up to AR and sing the praises of authority...well done. You should do great here.
I would like to piss in Andy Reid's mouth. Maybe drop a turd or two as well.
Quote from: rjs246 on July 23, 2008, 08:45:24 PM
I would like to piss in Andy Reid's mouth.
Can he fit mussa's hat in there?
Are you kidding me? He could fit the state of Montana in there.
It sounds like an excellent two birds, one stone opportunity, then.
mmmmmmm some new meat to argue errr debate with
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 23, 2008, 08:49:41 PM
mmmmmmm some new meat to argue errr debate with
Or, based on the first post, at least a fun new trolling account by a CF regular.
there was way to much effort put into that post for it to be fake
He used the word "audacity".
Clearly Barry has found us and is looking to kick some farging ass in this piece.
BARRY!
Quote from: Diomedes on July 23, 2008, 07:13:03 PM
With your first post here, you sidle up to AR and sing the praises of authority...well done. You should do great here.
Not sidling up. Just keeping in mind that I am a fan not an expert. I doubt if anyone on here understands the intricacies of professional football as well as Andy Reid.
Quote from: Ibeluvineagles on July 23, 2008, 07:11:44 PM
I think Andy is doing a solid job in comparison to the vast majority of NFL head coaches. I know he knows alot more about personell then fans and commentators. If he feels his offense will work fine with his existing WR's why should any of us have the audacity to assume we know better? Remember, we didn't win a SB with TO, and the Patriots didn't win one with Moss. The biggest play by a WR in the last SB was a 4th guy (Tyree).
Spuds? :sly
Quote from: Ibeluvineagles on July 23, 2008, 10:00:41 PM
Quote from: Diomedes on July 23, 2008, 07:13:03 PM
With your first post here, you sidle up to AR and sing the praises of authority...well done. You should do great here.
Not sidling up. Just keeping in mind that I am a fan not an expert. I doubt if anyone on here understands the intricacies of professional football as well as Andy Reid.
and thus he is free of criticism or second guessing?
not sure what youre getting at here
I refuse to believe that anyone really believes that crap.
Thankfully, this is where the Philly media really shines. Nobody who lives in the area and has access to something other than the evening news sports report will ever believe that anyone is beyond criticism.
the decade before Reid was filled with some high points and a lot of misery. Sounds just like the decade when Reid was the coach.
Quote from: MURP on July 30, 2008, 12:08:47 AM
the decade before Reid was filled with some high points and a lot of misery. Sounds just like the decade when Reid was the coach.
That's a bit much. Not to defend Reid, but he is obviously preferable to Kotite and Rhodes. That's extremely faint praise, and I hope no one mistakes that for a full endorsement of Reid's coaching abilities.
96 wins (8 playoff) under 9 years of Reid vs. 77 wins (2 playoff) under 8 years of Kotite and Rhodes and 1 year of Ryan.
1 Super Bowl victory by NFC East rivals vs. 5 Super Bowl victories by NFC East rivals
We all remember the early 90s defenses fondly, but in our nostalgia we forget how badly those offenses sucked. In 1991 the Eagles leading rusher was James Joseph. Other than 2-1/4 years of Randall Cunningham, the Eagles had no legitimate QB during the nine seasons before Reid.
Bubby Brister?!?!?
I guess MURP found where PG hides the laptop.
Apparently Eskin, the mouthpiece that he is, said on his show today that the Eagles have to make the playoffs or they will "look into" replacing him.
he didnt say they would he said maybe they will...as in its possible...he was just giving his opinion vs reporting something that someone in the organization told him
Ah ok. With as many peckers he sucks over there in the NCC for him to say they would really look into it would mean something.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on July 23, 2008, 10:03:15 PM
Quote from: Ibeluvineagles on July 23, 2008, 07:11:44 PM
I think Andy is doing a solid job in comparison to the vast majority of NFL head coaches. I know he knows alot more about personell then fans and commentators. If he feels his offense will work fine with his existing WR's why should any of us have the audacity to assume we know better? Remember, we didn't win a SB with TO, and the Patriots didn't win one with Moss. The biggest play by a WR in the last SB was a 4th guy (Tyree).
Spuds? :sly
LOL!! :-D
:flipoff you fatass, get us a farging top notch WR.
wip has been replaying luries state of the union address from training camp...and wow it sounds horrible after yesterday...his last words "and we are GOING FOR IT"
pedal to the metal = the new gold standard
lol, what a joke of an organization. Whats great is how they love themeselves so much
i love how Al asks Jones which pedal...the brake pedal
the cuz is reporting that the eagles tried to trade for kellen winslow yesterday
they offered a 7th probably, but they tried
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 15, 2008, 11:09:25 AM
the cuz is reporting that the eagles tried to trade for kellen winslow yesterday
They needed someone on the team with a large pair of balls.
ha i dont believe it.
first of all why would the browns trade him? seconly i just dont see the eagles trading for him.
remember he has too much attitude. that is not good for a team built for high morals!
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on October 15, 2008, 11:20:38 AM
they offered a 7th probably, but they tried
like when they supposedly tried to sign Moss
I can see one of two ways this broke down:
"Hey Carl, it's fat Andy. How the life?"
"Good, you want Gonzalez?"
"*ahem* *clearing throat* Yeah."
"It'll take a third."
"*ahem* I've gotta do a better job of putting myself in positions not to call."
click
"Hey Phil, it's lard ass. How's the life?"
"Hey tubby, no dice on Gonzo?"
"*cough*. How about K2"
"Ha. For what?"
"Angry-n-gimpy Lito and Cheggie Brownson."
"Ahahahahahahaha....wait....Romeo....you gotta...hahahahaha.....you gotta...."
click.
OR
Let's not do shtein and tell everyone we tried for some off-the-wall guy, and it didn't work. Those mook's will eat it up.
farging frauds. I want to donkey punch Lurie, farging lying bastich.
whats with the name cheggie brownson? the name makes me laugh and i've seen it on here before.
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 15, 2008, 09:18:27 AM
wip has been replaying luries state of the union address from training camp...and wow it sounds horrible after yesterday...his last words "and we are GOING FOR IT"
pedal to the metal = the new gold standard
Luries "Gold Standard" comment a few years back was a joke. Gotta win some Super Bowls 1st before you can claim that. Reid, Lurie & Banner are all tools. Iggles aint goin for sh*t this year. Our wr's blow. :-D
They may have tried to trade with the Chargers for Kellen Winslows Dad, he certainly would fit the bill.
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 15, 2008, 11:09:25 AM
the cuz is reporting that the eagles tried to trade for kellen winslow yesterday
The fact that they think TE is more important then a kick ass WR is, well dumbfounding
If you put together all the guys the Eagles "almost" got in the past three years, you'd have one hell of a team.
(http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m267/jeepwrang1994/batdog.jpg)
Quote from: phattymatty on October 15, 2008, 03:07:20 PM
whats with the name cheggie brownson? the name makes me laugh and i've seen it on here before.
I dubbed Reggie Brown the next Chad Johnson; thus leading to the combination of the two names.
You're a prophet, man.
I know. :-[
It turned out Chad was actually the next Reggie.
either that or carson palmer was the next bobby hoying
Quote from: QB Eagles on October 15, 2008, 05:34:51 PM
If you put together all the guys the Eagles "almost" got in the past three years, you'd have one hell of a team.
I have boners thinking about Bentley anchoring the middle of that line.
i'd be happy if we just boston celtic'd this team to win now. farg the bookers, hunts, lj smiths, and trade for the known commodity and go for it. it'll never happen though. get a te and stud lb and maybe even a DT (or tell bunkley to gain his weight back) and tell laws to...do something.
Or how about they trade for a super-talented WR like Roy Williams? Oh, right. Nevermind.
why would they do that when they get kevin curtis for free next week
thanks for the reality check :(
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 19, 2008, 03:21:41 PM
why would they do that when they get kevin curtis for free next week
... and Reggie Brown is ready to break out at any second...
He's the Eagles record holder for receptions as a rookie!
Joe Banner live 12:30pm on PE.com
wheew...finally hear why they didnt make a trade
o/u on number of times he mentions how many catches roy williams had yesterday
0
he never justifies. everything Joe Banner says is right and I want him to be my uncle
never heard a joe banner interview have you?
i think they will bring up the patriots too in reference to the WR question.
hahah dave just claimed that TO has lost a step.
He's what... 33? 34? Of course he has. Hell, Reggie Brown's already lost a step.
i really don't think TO has lost a step. romo is getting little time and they have become a bit pass happy.
if he has, he hasn't shown it.
dude outran the whole secondary on a crossing pattern a week or 2 ago. I think its more of a result of the opposing safety shadowing him the whole game and Crayton sucking balls
Quote from: Magical_Retard on October 20, 2008, 02:27:03 PM
hahah dave just claimed that TO has lost a step.
I actually agree with Dave. I think the RW move had a little to do with TO's age and JJ realizing he's losing a step. That being said he's still one of the best WRs in the league, but he's not in that elite class that he once was. And Dallas would be 6-10 without Witten.
TO seems to be on his way to a suck ass year after the last four games.
i dont get it. he still burned our secondary (mostly considine) and has had good games this season. i do see the whole team as a unit not playing well but im not buying him losing a step. he had a amazing season last yr. hes off to a so so start but thats more the offensive line, lack of running game, and now romo's injury.
of course the move for roy williams was two fold...to load up for this year's SB run but also to be the wr romo has after to leaves/retires.
my other problem is why is Dave even talking about the cowboys? for yrs his policy has been "oh i dont talk about the other teams". i think he got hammered too much with hate this past week since the eagles didnt trade for anybody and hes trying to draw attention to the cowboys losing.
I think TO has gone something like 10-11 games without posting 100+ yards.
But whatever. Why you worried about him, Retard?
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 20, 2008, 06:12:25 PM
I think TO has gone something like 10-11 games without posting 100+ yards.
But whatever. Why you worried about him, Retard?
:-D :-D :-D
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 20, 2008, 06:12:25 PM
I think TO has gone something like 10-11 games without posting 100+ yards.
But whatever. Why you worried about him, Retard?
im not. i hate him for how he acted when he was a eagle, but i hate the FO even more for creating that whole mess.
they knew what they were getting themselves into and then were delusional enough to think TO wouldnt follow through on his threats.
anyway my whole point is the hypocrisy of dave here. i know i know why do i even bother listening to him. well today i was off from work and i heard banner would be answering some questions. like the loser i am i decided to listen when he dropped this gem. in the past whenever asked about other teams, esp when the eagles are losing, he likes to ignore the rest of the NFL and says no comment or i only focus on the eagles.
now this prick is thriving off the dallas loss (no fault in that) but hes trying to distract the fans from the real BS the FO/BANNER were feeding the fans today. of all things to discuss or say...he claims TO is losing a step. if he really is then isn't the Roy Williams move a brilliant one then? he just contradicted himself and his set of rules about not talking about other teams/players. he knows eagles fans will eat that crap up cause the cowboys lost, but to me it comes off again as talking down to the players. as if since TO is maybe losing a step (which i don't think he is) the eagles were justified in not re doing his contract a few yrs back.
i think the front page also had a poll about dallas or something. this all stuff he controls and hes trying to deflect attention from the eagles mediocre record and terrible trade day non moves.
i am probably over reacting but i feel like kicking his bald head.
you have to understand dave and the eagles have been waiting four years to say this....and the day TO retires without a sb you can bet they will be right there to remind us of that as well...theyre shallow shallow people who worry more about teams like the patriots and their ex players than they do their own well being
Nothing Dave says other than reports on injuries or personnel moves should be taken seriously. He's no more a journalist than I am a jet airline pilot.
quite the opposite....dave should be taken very seriously as he is often used by the front office to disseminate their point of view
the hes not a journalist thing has been known for ten years now
Whatever. I don't need Spewdaro to tell me what the front office's view on things are. Their actions speak loud enough.
shorebird nails it. Anyone who gives the least bit of credence to what Dave write or says is silly. He's the mouthpiece for the organization, after all, so what should he write?
I'll say it again, though... what he says in private is a lot different than the fluff he writes on the site. There's several of us here who can attest to that.
Quote from: Rome on October 21, 2008, 11:09:28 AM
I'll say it again, though... what he says in private is a lot different than the fluff he writes on the site. There's several of us here who can attest to that.
Its like night and day
"Dave, what do you think of XXXXX"
"He sucks. He's slow, can't play football"
Quote from: paco on October 21, 2008, 11:36:28 AM
"Dave, what do you think of Tony Hunt?"
"He sucks. He's slow, can't play football"
Quote from: Rome on October 21, 2008, 11:09:28 AM
I'll say it again, though... what he says in private is a lot different than the fluff he writes on the site. There's several of us here who can attest to that.
Man, I don't doubt thats true. It's hard to believe that anyone can look at that team day in and day out and have the opinions that he puts in print. Myself, I couldn't do it.
yeah, right.
I don't care how close he gets to the team, I couldn't be Lurie's puppet, writing fluff knowing most all of it's bullcrap.
Oh, come on... he gets PAID to accentuate the positive about a professional football team, run a website and produce a monthly magazine.
To suggest that you couldn't do what he does for moral or ethical reasons is absurd. It's just a farging football team, after all.
Quote from: shorebird on October 22, 2008, 08:23:36 AM
I don't care how close he gets to the team, I couldn't be Lurie's puppet, writing fluff knowing most all of it's bullcrap.
Jeff Lurie: "Hey shorebird this is Jeff Lurie, how would you like to come and work for the Eagles?"
shorebird: "Doing what, exactly?"
Jeff Lurie: "PR stuff, you know, interviewing the players and the cheerleaders, writing articles about the team. Getting to cover training camp and the games for free. You can post on the message board as much as you want because it's part of your job description. How does that sound?"
shorebird: "No thanks, Jeff. That goes against my morals"
Jeff Lurie: "Sorry to hear that, do you have havas's number?"
shorebird: "Nope"
Jeff Lurie: "wow, we're in a real bind, nobody wants this job, we might have to scrape the bottom of the barrel and hire this jew kid that goes to Temple"
i can honestly say 1000% for sure that i would not do that...for one thing i would not work for the same organization that employs joe banner...for another im not a lapdog souless hack POS like spadaro
Banner > Bush
lol! Really, even if I could write and took the job, I'd get fired real quick, first time I questioned one of Reid's draft picks, or Reid's play calling, or the FO's line of crap they keep feeding the fans about full speed ahead and gold standard.
It's got nothing to do with my morals or ethics.
The Insider/with shorebird
So, I asked Andy Reid about the offense's total ineptitude inside the Red Zone and at the Goaline. He stated that he would have to put his players in a better postition to win. I asked him what better position could you have been in than 1st and goal? No answer
I asked Andy how he felt about L.J. lining up in the wrong position at the goaline, and then screwing up a key block. Shouldn't his players be better prepared to play, and are dumb mistakes like that a direct reflection on the coach? No answer.
I asked Andy why, with two #1 picks in the draft next year, did this teams front office let the Cowboys outbid them for the services of Roy Williams? He said we are fine at the WR position. I asked him with his draft record, does he think that he can make any picks that will be comparable to what he could have had in Williams? No answer.
I asked Mr. Banner, how do you feel about your Gold Standard being the motis operandi of the last place team in the NFC East. Had to duck after that one.
Needless to say, this is my last article as I have recieved my pink slip from the FO.
word up Shore
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 22, 2008, 08:56:31 AM
i can honestly say 1000% for sure that i would not do that...for one thing i would not work for the same organization that employs joe banner...for another im not a lapdog souless hack POS like spadaro
No, you're just a guy who bets against the teams he's supposed to love.
no im not a weirdo fan whos dream job is to work for his favorite team...i just want them to win a superbowl
Quote from: Rome on October 22, 2008, 11:13:58 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 22, 2008, 08:56:31 AM
i can honestly say 1000% for sure that i would not do that...for one thing i would not work for the same organization that employs joe banner...for another im not a lapdog souless hack POS like spadaro
No, you're just a guy who bets against the teams he's supposed to love.
I want an explanation how you can watch and cheer at the same time when trying to achieve this goal?
It's called hedging your bets. And as a Philly fan I understand it 100% even if I don't condone it. You can make yourself a lot of money betting agaisnt philly and it can be seen as win win. If they win, you paid a little extra money but you're happy they won. If they lose you get some money to ease the frustration. I can't do it, but it isn't that hard to understand.
for the dummies out there...ask your self how much you would pay for your favorite team to win a game or a series or a championship...whatever number you come up with place that amount on the opponent...and think of it as youre paying for your favorite team to win...ive never ever bet on one of my teams where i was not rooting 100% for me to lose the bet
Money doesn't buy championships. Passion does, of which you have none, apparently.
As a fan you ride the highs and lows of the wins and losses, you dont set yourself up to snuggle with a security blanket in preparation of a loss. Betting against the team you root for is exactly why you are not taken seriously by almost everyone on this board.
You can be a sports fan, who likes to place bets on any and every game, just to give you interest in the league/event/game/player...whatever. Nothing wrong with that.
Or you can live and die with a team you root for, and follow them through a season in hopes to finally seeing them lift that trophy in front of you.
As much as you have convinced yourself that you can do both, you can't.
High-fiving your buddies on Cottman Ave knowing your giving your bookie $500 the next day is awesome....no seriously...your logic is awesome
OMG! im at least the third best fan on CF
nothing screams real fandom like screaming real fandom
Be indignant about it all you want, but at least admit that you see the reasoning behind it.
Quote from: reese125 on October 22, 2008, 12:07:41 PM
High-fiving your buddies on Cottman Ave knowing your giving your bookie $500 the next day is awesome....no seriously...your logic is awesome
ill admit it helps that im a rich bitch...even tho the reasons i do it are purely psychological
Ive done it before...It doesnt so much ease the pain after a loss as it does give me extra beer money - so I can ease the pain after a loss.
Either way, I get it.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on October 22, 2008, 08:51:06 AM
Jeff Lurie: "wow, we're in a real bind, nobody wants this job, we might have to scrape the bottom of the barrel and hire this jew kid that goes to Temple"
We all know how much Lurie hates hiring the jews, right?
Quote from: Die-Hard on October 22, 2008, 12:24:40 PM
Ive done it before...It doesnt so much ease the pain after a loss as it does give me extra beer money - so I can ease the pain after a loss.
Either way, I get it.
thank you
it does nothing for the pain...in fact you dont even think about the money win or lose
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 22, 2008, 11:20:41 AM
no im not a weirdo fan whos dream job is to work for his favorite team...i just want them to win a superbowl
You're officially out of my will because of your latest revelation.
Quote from: rjs246 on October 22, 2008, 11:40:19 AM
It's called hedging your bets. And as a Philly fan I understand it 100% even if I don't condone it. You can make yourself a lot of money betting agaisnt philly and it can be seen as win win. If they win, you paid a little extra money but you're happy they won. If they lose you get some money to ease the frustration. I can't do it, but it isn't that hard to understand.
I understand it perfectly. I can't be any clearer about my utter disgust for it, though. I mean, I can
try, but. . .
I understand it too.
I just love how the self proclaimed heartbeat of the philadelphia sports fan tries to justify it.
mirror mirror on the wall
who is the top philly sports fan of them all
there was a rumble tumble
5 minutes it lasted
then the mirror said "you are you conceited bastich"
there is no competition cause i am the best
I got the Johnson baby powder and Cool Water cologne.
lol
its polo cologne whitey
I'm so ashamed.
knowing the song is the first step
be proud
Also I was right. (http://www.justsomelyrics.com/1762971/Snoop-Doggy-Dogg-Loddy-Doddy-Lyrics)
NO
trust me....i can recite that song in six different languages
online lyric sites are slighty more reliable than space shuttle o rings
Fine, I'm not getting into a pissing contest over Snoop lyrics. Ha. But trust me, I've heard that song 1000s of times and the first lyrics web sit I found confirmed what I already knew. FTW.
Quote from: rjs246 on October 22, 2008, 01:35:28 PM
Fine, I'm not getting into a pissing contest over Snoop lyrics. Ha. But trust me, I've heard that song 1000s of times and the first lyrics web sit I found confirmed what I already knew. FTW.
FTL thinking thats snoops song
Everyone knows that he wasn't the first, but he's the version I know inside and out.
thats fine but its also one of the bigger FTL ever
the snoop version is definitely cool water. everyone wore that shtein in the early 90s.
the point is no one should even pretend the snoop version exists much less know the lyrics...the cover version of that song is one of the biggest musical tragedies of all time
personally i was a drakkar guy.
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 22, 2008, 01:41:37 PM
the point is no one should even pretend the snoop version exists much less know the lyrics...the cover version of that song is one of the biggest musical tragedies of all time
Settle down. You're gonna burst a vein.
btw the new hip hop honors with slick rick and de la soul is great.
Quote from: rjs246 on October 22, 2008, 01:42:50 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 22, 2008, 01:41:37 PM
the point is no one should even pretend the snoop version exists much less know the lyrics...the cover version of that song is one of the biggest musical tragedies of all time
Settle down. You're gonna burst a vein.
hip-hop and sports jerseys do it to me
The previous page is exactly why I love :CF
You come into a thread expecting some good ol' Andy Reid bashing... and you end up with Snoop, Drakkar and 3 feet high and rising.
QuoteNot going to San Francisco with the Eagles as his fractured ribs mended meant Brian Westbrook was able to vent like a fan, watching the game on TV.
"It's tough. You scream at the TV, yell at the coordinators and wonder what they're doing, yell at Andy [Reid]," Westbrook said. "It's tough, but it's exciting when your team wins a football game in the fashion that we did [scoring 23 points in the fourth quarter]."
Asked what he called Reid, Westbrook said: "A lot of bad words."
:-D
He'll be cut tomorrow.
Westbrook is the gawd.
welcome to our world westy :boom
I might just farg Westbrook if I ever see him on the street.
dude has bad ribs so please farg him doggy style Fev
thanks.
Neither of you dicks would be the farger, you'd be the fargie, and like it!
AR's 100's win today with the victory against the Falcons
FOX showed a list of head coaches that won 100 games in their first 10 years, which included Seifert, Cowher, Parcells, Holmgren, etc., and I think he, Jeff Fisher and Dennis Green were the only ones without a Super Bowl title...
Don't think Bud Grant won one.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 26, 2008, 05:59:24 PM
Don't think Bud Grant won one.
He also didn't win 100 games in his first ten years (98 by my count). It was a lot harder back then though.
Please change this thread to:
ANDY RIED MUST DIE............or at least get fired........
End this shtein, the Challenge at 11:08 Est sealed it.
IGY thought last game was bad?
farg this guy. Done.
Guy's been begging to be fired for three seasons now, and he'll be here next year. He'll be here when Dawkins retires. He'll be here when Westbrook is gone. He'll be here when McNabb is gone. He'll be here putting their replacements in a better position.
Where is ATV with his Fail photos of fat ass.
ive seen bad games where reid is embarrased by the other coach.
but this was by far the worst coached game by reid in his 10 yr history.
Quote from: Magical_Retard on November 09, 2008, 11:54:19 PM
ive seen bad games where reid is embarrased by the other coach.
but this was by far the worst coached game by reid in his 10 yr history.
Yes, many.
Yes.
Worst coached? I'm not so sure, there are a lot of them that get forgotten over ten years. There are games in which the Eagles have shown up and been flat-out unprepared to play the opposing team, and no adjustments were made during the game.
But there's no question the difference in this game was the difference in coaching ability between Reid and Coughlin. It was a blatant outcoaching.
im still thinking about that challenge.
they showed him looking at the replay on the jumbo tron. his ppl upstairs must have said "NO DONT CHALLENGE".
and he still challenges?
the only person upstairs in Reids world is GOD. he has zero logic, common sense or grasp of any realities going on the football field
Quote from: Magical_Retard on November 09, 2008, 11:54:19 PM
ive seen bad games where reid is embarrased by the other coach.
but this was by far the worst coached game by reid in his 10 yr history.
I'm a front office apologist.
Andy Reid must go. What a turribal, turribal game.
This press conference is going to be great.
Wonder if he gets a pass from the press.
It's too the point that everytime I see his fat farging ass looking at that card or at the field, I want to kick the goddamn TV in.
He holds the card in front of his face so no one can read his lips. Newsflash you fat ass pile of compost, everyone in the stands, across the field, and watching at home knows what your going to do even before your dumb, stupid no coaching ass thinks to do it.
I swear to christ, I've seen better heads on a frosty mug of Budwieser.
What the hell is wrong with Lurie?? Can't that electric socket hairdo s.o.b. see what is happening to his team?? Or is he just too busy thinking up lines of bullshtein to feed the fans?? Newflash you mad doctor lookin' motherfarger, YOUR NEVER GOING TO WIN A SUPERBOWL WITH ANDY REID RUNNING THE TEAM!
For christ sakes, any other owner would have fired that jabba the hut lookin bitch years ago.
Goddamnitt!! I hate this farging team.......
Before this season, I wanted to see the Eagles run it on third and short. I've since changed my mind
Its the lack of commitment to the run. The whole team is built on passing and it shows when they try to play smash mouth ball.
http://www.comcast.net/articles/sports-nfl/20081113/Whitlock.10.Coaches/
look where Reid is listed.
DA TRUTH
DA REPOST
imagine how bad this team would be without cole.
Trent Cole has had zero impact on this team's season. He's a really good player and he's the kind of defensive presense that they need more of, but he hasn't been a game changer once this year.
yeah he, along with the rest of the DLINE, pads their #s by getting sacks in bunches but they are nowhere to be found in big games or critical situations.
cole of course is the most talented and consistent and he even plays the run game decent.
how about going after peppers in the offseason?
Peppers is exactly the kind of player who signs a giant deal and then puff!, turns to shtein.
I don't even give a shtein about the defense at this point. I'd like them to bulk up the DL and get some playmakers at LB, but they are more or less fine on that side of the ball right now. What they need on both sides of the ball is a farging attitude adjustment. A serious coke habit mixed with some anger management issues would be a welcome change for these fancy boys.
If AR is fired in the next year or two, I will be very interested to see the stories that come out afterwards. All the players that have been silent under his regime probably have some interesting stories to tell.
Quote from: Butchers Bill on November 17, 2008, 01:02:27 PM
If AR is fired in the next year or two, I will be very interested to see the stories that come out afterwards. All the players that have been silent under his regime probably have some interesting stories to tell.
The coaching fraternity is very close and tight knit. Any player that speaks out about that will be blacklisted faster than freddie mitchell out of a girls locker room. any stories that come out would be long after both sides were long retired.
The players don't care as much as you think they might. They play, they get paid. They aren't paid more for winning than they are for losing. Hell, they don't even get paid to know the rules.
Quote from: Diomedes on November 17, 2008, 12:43:33 PM
Peppers is exactly the kind of player who signs a giant deal with the Eagles and then puff!, turns to shtein.
Yes, I was thinking the same thing.
before the game even started yesterday, they were talking about the wind conditions, i said to my dad that Andy calls 50 passes at least. Thanks for proving me right you fat farg. Seriously, FARG him
Quote from: Wingspan on November 17, 2008, 01:12:37 PM
Quote from: Butchers Bill on November 17, 2008, 01:02:27 PM
If AR is fired in the next year or two, I will be very interested to see the stories that come out afterwards. All the players that have been silent under his regime probably have some interesting stories to tell.
The coaching fraternity is very close and tight knit. Any player that speaks out about that will be blacklisted faster than freddie mitchell out of a girls locker room. any stories that come out would be long after both sides were long retired.
The players don't care as much as you think they might. They play, they get paid. They aren't paid more for winning than they are for losing. Hell, they don't even get paid to know the rules.
There's a few guys who are pretty close to retirement and may not want the cushy media job Hugh has. I could see Runyan doing an interview about the Reid kids doing lines off Reno Mahe's back in the locker room.
law of averages says AR will be replaced shortly (bad news is he will probably stay on as GM which, unlike game day coaching, he could do from a ventilator).
QuoteReplacing losing Super Bowl coaches: the longitudinal record
by TGryn, originally written Nov 3 2005
Of the 19 losing Super Bowl coaches who were fired or replaced before winning the Super Bowl with the same team, here's the success record for the coaches who succeeded them:
* 2002 Oakland: Callahan fired in 2004, replaced by Turner. No playoff appearances yet. (UPDATE 11/07 - Turner fired
after '05, no playoff appearances, replaced by Shell)
* 2001 St. Louis: Martz fired in 2005, replaced by Vitt (interim) then Linehan. No playoff appearances yet.
* 2000 Giants: Fassel fired in 2004, replaced by Coughlin. No playoff appearances yet. (UPDATE 2/08 - 3 playoff
appearances, WON Super Bowl in 2007)
* 1999 Atlanta: Reeves fired in 2004, replaced by Mora, Jr. 1 playoff appearance, no Super Bowls yet.
(UPDATE 11/07 - Mora Jr. fired after '06, replaced by Petrino)
* 1998 Green Bay: Holmgren moved on to Seattle in 1999. Rhodes hired in 1999, fired in 2000, replaced by Sherman.
* 1996 New England: Parcells replaced by Carroll in 1997. 2 playoff appearances in 3 years, no Super Bowls, replaced by
Belichick in 2000.
* 1994 San Diego: Ross fired in 1997, replaced by Gilbride, no playoff appearances in 2 years, replaced by Riley in 1999.
* 1990-1993 Buffalo: Levy fired in 1998, replaced by Phillips. 2 playoff appearances in 3 years, no Super Bowls, replaced by Williams in 2001.
* 1986, 1987, 1989 Denver: Reeves replaced by Phillips in 1993, no playoff appearances in 2 years, replaced by Shanahan in 1995.
* 1988 Cincinnati: Wyche replaced by D. Shula in 1992. No playoff appearances in 4 seasons, replaced by Coslet in 1996.
* 1985 New England: Berry replaced by Rust in 1990. Rust fired in 1991, replaced by McPherson.
* 1982, 1984 Miami: Shula replaced by Johnson in 1995. 3 playoff appearances in 4 years, no Super Bowls, replaced by Wannstadt in 2000.
* 1981 Cincinnati: Gregg replaced by Wyche in 1984. Wyche loses Super Bowl in 1988, see above.
* 1980 Eagles: Vermeil replaced by Campbell in 1983. No playoff appearances in 3 seasons, replaced by Ryan in 1986.
* 1979 Rams: Malavasi replaced by Robinson in 1983. 6 playoff appearances in 9 years, 0 Super Bowls, replaced by Knox in 1992.
* 1978 Dallas: Landry replaced by Johnson in 1988, Johnson WINS Super Bowl in 1992.
* 1977 Denver: Miller replaced by Reeves in 1981. Reeves 8 playoff appearances in 12 years, 3 Super Bowl losses, replaced by Phillips in 1993.
* 1969, 1973, 1974, 1976 Minnesota: Grant replaced by Steckel in 1984. Steckel fired in 1985, replaced by Grant.
* 1972 Washington: Allen replaced by Pardee in 1978, no playoff appearances in 3 years, replaced by Gibbs in 1980.
* 1968 Baltimore: Shula replaced by McCafferty in 1970, McCafferty WINS Super Bowl in 1970.
Trends
- The average time between losing a Super Bowl and being fired/replaced is 4.4 years. If you throw out the "legends"
Landry and Shula (w/ Mia), the number shrinks to 3.9 years. That's about the right timespan for the veterans on the
SB team to really begin to decline from age.
- As of the end of 2007, 9 out of 19 (47%) of coaches who replaced losing Super Bowl coaches didn't even make the
playoffs during their tenure. Of the other 10, five - McCafferty, Wyche, Reeves, J. Johnson, and Coughlin - made it
to the Super Bowl, and only McCafferty, Johnson, and Coughlin won it. That's a success rate of 16% if the goal is to
replace a SB loser with a SB winner.
- 4 Super Bowl losers eventually won it later with the same team: Stram (L '66, W '69), Madden (L '67, W '76),
Landry (L '70, W '71; L '75, W '77), and Shula (L '71, W '72).
Sources:
http://www.nfl.com/superbowl/history
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/
http://home.comcast.net/~tdgryn/repllosingSBcoach.txt
the link is from one of Bryce Johnston's pages
edit: so it looks like no SB losing coach has come back to win it with the same team in the last 30 years. no excuse to not have gotten rid of AR a couple of years ago.
Cowher lost the Super Bowl in 1995, won it in 2005.
6 more years people. I knew that once Cowher and Dungy won Super Bowls that we'd never get rid of Reid.
I don't hate Reid...but the Franchise needs some fresh air.
Seriously? Do you mean you don't hate him as a person or as a coach?
Either way, Z is wrong not to hate him.
christ his own sons hate him
Smallwood wants him gone (http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/columnists/20081118_John_Smallwood__Time_to_go__Andy_Reid_s_system_has_run_its_course_with_Eagles.html)
Quote from: Cerevant on November 18, 2008, 07:28:41 AM
Cowher lost the Super Bowl in 1995, won it in 2005.
6 more years people. I knew that once Cowher and Dungy won Super Bowls that we'd never get rid of Reid.
The difference is their recipe for winning football games works, Reid's does not.
I am not defending reid at all...but people here have what happened with cowher all wrong. He was despised in pittsburgh until they won the supe... 3 home AFCCG loses at home, 1 Superbowl loss (and a terrible one at that where most of the people there still believe that ODonnell threw that game)
Most were livid with ben rothlisberger pick too...
The the career of Cowher and Reid were and are pretty similar. (taken on a year by year comparison)
The thing that I dont understand is after all these horrific games, Reid would realize that when you keep publicly blaming yourself for having guys in the wrong position that you look even more stupid as an NFL coach than perceived
He either:
a) doesnt give care anymore and has his house on the market
b) thinks the players will like him more
c) is told to say that
d) is really that farging stupid
wow you couldnt be more off he was not despised at all...sure he got criticized for the playoff losses as they were very frustrating...but no one was blaming him for the losses due to horrible coaching decisions they were just frustrated in a general sense
my college roomate and one of my best friends is the biggest steeler fan ever and he would school your silly ass for comparing reid and cowher and how their respective cities viewed them
that said they are similar in that they remained with one team for a long time and had some frustrating post season losses but really how many coaches who are in the league that long dont
the better comparison to cowher would be jeff fisher where as reid compares more favorably to marty schottenheimer
They also had 4 past Super Bowl wins to console themselves with whereas we don't have bupkiss.
Stop the excuses and just fire that lardass.
PS: Cowher's principles were twofold: Run the ball well and kill the opposing team defensively. But sure, that wouldn't work in Philly.
All of my friends that are Steelers fans never wanted him fired, yes they were frustrated, but they loved the Chin.
Quote from: Rome on November 18, 2008, 02:52:02 PM
They also had 4 past Super Bowl wins to console themselves with whereas we don't have bupkiss.
Stop the excuses and just fire that lardass.
PS: Cowher's principles were twofold: Run the ball well and kill the opposing team defensively. But sure, that wouldn't work in Philly.
They also weren't too bad at year-over-year talent re-loads - often needed as they lost their "finds" to big market teams.
Douse his fat stupid ass in napalm. I'll bring the marshmallows.
I don't want marshmallows fried in pure lard, thank you very much.
You don't stick them in the lard. You hover them over. It'll be like smoking them.
Smoked marshmallows.....mmmmmm.
(http://photos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v376/183/81/1414586193/n1414586193_744991_5385.jpg)
And right there..........the perfect Kotite face.
Maybe his play card wasn't laminated, and all the running plays washed off.
Quote from: EagleFeva on November 19, 2008, 10:05:36 AM
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What fargin tools? McNabb and westbrook? If he was smarter then the average retard he would have a true #1 Wr. and probaly be right behind NY in the standings.
for real....the personnel while not nearly as bad as the coaching is not very good at all
Some douchebag that writes for the Trenton Times thinks Reid will be coaching in SF next season (http://phillysportsbeat.wordpress.com/)
i dont know who said it first or where it came from but beasly said the same thing on the monring show...holmgren goes to Gm in SF and brings reid in to coach
I would love that. TRUCK RATHMAN would spontaneously combust.
Quote from: FastFreddie on November 21, 2008, 03:10:32 PM
I would love that as long as Johnson or Mornhinweg don't get named Head Coach.
Like it matters. Reid out is a farging start. BLOW IT UP.
Link out of SD's link:
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/20081120_John_Smallwood__McNabb_settles_into_familiar__quot_Woe_is_Donovan_quot__role.html (http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/20081120_John_Smallwood__McNabb_settles_into_familiar__quot_Woe_is_Donovan_quot__role.html)
Quote"The thing about it is that now other people are saying they didn't know it either," McNabb said. "Am I wrong for that? No. Should I have known the rule? There are a lot of coaches, officials, players that don't know.
I'd be shocked if they were any coaches that didn't know that and there is absolutely no farging way an official doesn't know the rules of OT
Andy in San Fran...
I could totally see it. He's from the area, would be closer to Utah and obviously working with his pops.
And I'm ready for a change; I can't take it any more.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on November 21, 2008, 04:15:45 PM
And I'm ready for a change; I can't take it any more.
Faints...
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on November 21, 2008, 04:15:45 PM
Andy in San Fran...
I could totally see it. He's from the area, would be closer to Utah and obviously working with his pops.
Plus if his boys get into trouble in SF, they'll find even more novel items to hide in the bung.
Quote from: Tomahawk on November 21, 2008, 03:19:29 PM
Quote"The thing about it is that now other people are saying they didn't know it either," McNabb said. "Am I wrong for that? No. Should I have known the rule? There are a lot of coaches, officials, players that don't know.
Geez, what a friggen' dumbass. A lot of officials that don't know that rule?? If they didn't, they would probably be fired. He needs to just STFU. This is a classic case of someone who should just not say anything because when he opens his mouth he proves to everyone how stupid he is.
I don't know who said it, but the Dave Letterman idea was brilliant. Should have forwarded it to McNabb's agent.
Peruvian Flake FTW.
:-D
Reid says "Shut it, bitches!! This is MY house!! (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/rumors/post/Red-faced-Reid-tells-Eagles-jobs-are-on-the-lin?urn=nfl,124032)
Quote
Reid lit into the team Wednesday at the morning meeting and let everyone know that not only was the season on the line, there were jobs on the line.
...
Reid's address to the team was followed quickly by a players-only meeting called by safety Brian Dawkins, who is the team leader by default, even though his place on the field isn't as dominant as it once was.
"Hopefully, everything got through," said Dawkins, who has been around too long to think meetings are a silver bullet. "We'll see. Talking only goes so far."
He waited a little too long to get zesty with them.
He should have lit into their asses awhile ago. They have played too many uninspired games, made too many mental errors and have been plain stupid at times.
QuoteFor the first time this week, Reid was asked if he has given any consideration to benching McNabb and going with second-year man Kevin Kolb, who was the Eagles' top pick in the '07 draft.
"No," he said. "That's not what I'm doing right now. Donovan will continue to be the quarterback. Donovan, for every throw that he didn't make there, he'll get himself back. He'll continue to fire and get whatever is wrong straightened out and get it right."
While I certainly don't condone benching McNabb for Kolb, it sounds so arrogant to say "McNabb is as good as he ever was" in the face of things. What he should be saying is "We need better tools for McNabb to work with."
I want McNabb to continue throwing the ball for the next 2-3 years, but I want him to do it without Reid at the helm, and with bona fide Number One receivers on his team.
i dont know whats funnier reid getting "angry" or the players actually listening to him....i can see him going off in the locker room then 30 seconds after the meeting the entire team busting out in laughter
Quote from: Father Demon on November 23, 2008, 12:00:31 AM
QuoteFor the first time this week, Reid was asked if he has given any consideration to benching McNabb and going with second-year man Kevin Kolb, who was the Eagles' top pick in the '07 draft.
"No," he said. "That's not what I'm doing right now. Donovan will continue to be the quarterback. Donovan, for every throw that he didn't make there, he'll get himself back. He'll continue to fire and get whatever is wrong straightened out and get it right."
While I certainly don't condone benching McNabb for Kolb, it sounds so arrogant to say "McNabb is as good as he ever was" in the face of things. What he should be saying is "We need better tools for McNabb to work with."
I want McNabb to continue throwing the ball for the next 2-3 years, but I want him to do it without Reid at the helm, and with bona fide Number One receivers on his team.
and xanax. plenty of xanax.
Quote from: shorebird on November 21, 2008, 07:03:44 PM
Quote from: Tomahawk on November 21, 2008, 03:19:29 PM
Quote"The thing about it is that now other people are saying they didn't know it either," McNabb said. "Am I wrong for that? No. Should I have known the rule? There are a lot of coaches, officials, players that don't know.
Geez, what a friggen' dumbass. A lot of officials that don't know that rule?? If they didn't, they would probably be fired. He needs to just STFU. This is a classic case of someone who should just not say anything because when he opens his mouth he proves to everyone how stupid he is.
I was watching either NFL Live, DNL, or Monday Night Live and one of the reporters that came on said he talked to an undisclosed Eagles player who went and asked one of the side judges "Is this it? We get another Overtime right?" and the side judge said "Yeah you get another chance at it."
I don't believe it.
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 23, 2008, 12:08:39 AM
i dont know whats funnier reid getting "angry" or the players actually listening to him....i can see him going off in the locker room then 30 seconds after the meeting the entire team busting out in laughter
yeah kinda like his kids after a "don't use drugs" lecture
Parents should have "don't get caught doing drugs" talks with their retarded offspring.
Diddy (http://csnphilly.com/pages/landing_homepage?blockID=19168&feedID=729)
QuoteSince the 2000 season, the Eagles are 52-10 in games in which they have more rushing attempts than their opponents. They are 35-39-1 when they have fewer rushes. Games in which they have 30 or more rushing attempts, they are 37-5. Games in which they have 20 rushes or fewer, they are 9-23-1. This season, they are 5-0 in games when they have more rushing attempts than their opponent. They are 1-5-1 when they don't.
:puke
The problem with football stats is that you can't tell what is the cause and what is the effect - What is the run percentage when they are leading vs. when they are behind?
Quote from: Cerevant on December 02, 2008, 10:34:14 AM
The problem with football stats is that you can't tell what is the cause and what is the effect - What is the run percentage when they are leading vs. when they are behind? Â
Not true. That sample size is more than big enough to see what is what. 52-10 when out-rushing opponents and 37-5 when rushing more than 30 times doesn't leave a lot of room for interpretation.
Besides that... it's over a period of 9 years. I'd say that's more than enough time to encompass pretty much every scenario there is pertaining to when AR ran the ball.
You guys are missing the point: did the Eagles win because AR was running the ball, or does Andy only run more when it looks like he is going to win the game? Those stats support either possibility. Anyone who watches the Eagles knows that the passing game gets more persistent and more desperate the further behind they are.
No, I got the point. I'm saying that your point is overruled by the large sample size. But whatever, nerd. As far as I'm concerned those stats speak for themselves.
lol at a canadian telling people they miss a point about pro football
EVERY team passes more the more they fall behind
NOT EVERY team has stats as lopsided as the eagles
everyone knows that you have to run the ball to win in the nfl and you definitely have to run the ball more than andy reid does...even people in maine know this
Everyone who has ever watched football in this country knows that TOP is important. Apparently Andy Reid is also Canadian.
Quote from: Cerevant on December 02, 2008, 12:08:52 PM
You guys are missing the point: did the Eagles win because AR was running the ball, or does Andy only run more when it looks like he is going to win the game? Those stats support either possibility. Anyone who watches the Eagles knows that the passing game gets more persistent and more desperate the further behind they are.
The Eagles have rarely, if ever, run the ball more with a lead. What was it 2001? 2000? First game of the season (I think) against the Titans. The Eagles would have won if Reid would have called run plays to kill the clock.
Nothing has changed with Reid in his entire tenure. Every season, it takes him until week 10 (week 8 at the absolute earliest) or so to remember running the ball helps win football games. Then he promptly forgets again.
How many of those games were from the Duce years? Reid has a chub for passing, but 52 games there says he knows about running the ball. I think the root of the problem may be that he doesn't trust his injury-prone star RB, or his even injury-proner backup. This being Andy Reid, of course there would be no correction to that problem by brining in quality players to fill those holes when there's square pegs and a hammer so close at hand.
I don't know G_F, but it seems that the only time Reid ever dedicates to the run is when McNabb is not playing
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 02, 2008, 12:15:16 PM
lol at a canadian telling people they miss a point about pro football
EVERY team passes more the more they fall behind
No shtein junior. It is a matter of relatives:
Steelers when ahead: 50% run. when behind: 40% run
Eagles when ahead: 40% run. when behind: 20% run
Quoteeveryone knows that you have to run the ball to win in the nfl and you definitely have to run the ball more than andy reid does...even people in maine know this
Again, no shtein junior. If you paid attention, you would see that I was not saying that Andy was right. I'm trying to tell you that this stat isn't going to convince Andy of anything. Andy believes:
1) my game plan (singular) works
2) when it doesn't work, the players did not execute the game plan
As long as Reid is one of the winningest coaches (#3 in win percentage) in the NFL, he is not going to change the way he coaches.
Not to nerd out further, but I think the sample size has covered both sides of the track (way ahead, way behind).
10 years of games in the NFL is probably enough to get a normalized distribution.
Quote from: MadMarchHare on December 02, 2008, 03:06:12 PM
10 years of games in the NFL is probably enough to get a normalized distribution.
not in sault saint marie
Look at the teams that win the Super Bowl and those that don't.
The ones that win always run the ball well and play ridiculous defense. The Eagles don't run the ball and their defenses are usually prone to lapses against teams that run the ball well.
Reid's had 10 years to recognize the proverbial nose on his face and still refuses to change.
That's why he's gotta go.
Quote from: Rome on December 02, 2008, 04:39:57 PM
Look at the teams that win the Super Bowl and those that don't.
The ones that win always run the ball well and play ridiculous defense. The Eagles don't run the ball and their defenses are usually prone to lapses against teams that run the ball well.
Reid's had 10 years to recognize the proverbial nose on his face and still refuses to change.
That's why he's gotta go.
Can ah' git' an Amaaaeeeen!!
Quote from: MadMarchHare on December 02, 2008, 03:06:12 PM
Not to nerd out further, but I think the sample size has covered both sides of the track (way ahead, way behind).
10 years of games in the NFL is probably enough to get a normalized distribution.
I'm not sure how a sample size can establish causality. eg:
"Every time the leaves and branches of the trees move, the wind blows - So trees must cause the wind."
Quote from: shorebird on December 02, 2008, 04:52:52 PM
Quote from: Rome on December 02, 2008, 04:39:57 PM
Reid's had 10 years to recognize the proverbial nose on his face and still refuses to change.
That's why he's gotta go.
Can ah' git' an Amaaaeeeen!!
He needs to go, but you are a fool if you think he sees the problem himself:
Quote from: Cerevant on December 02, 2008, 02:58:51 PM
As long as Reid is one of the winningest coaches (#3 in win percentage) in the NFL, he is not going to change the way he coaches.
Quote from: Cerevant on December 02, 2008, 02:58:51 PM
As long as Reid is one of the winningest coaches (#3 in win percentage) in the NFL, he is not going to change the way he coaches.
That could be one reason, but another is just that he's plain hardheaded.
His winning percentage in the Super Bowl is 0.0.
Yeah, but you rounded down from 0.04. Or something.
That one loss is a statistical anomaly and can be safely ignored.
Say what you will, but if Reid gets canned he will have a new HC job within a week.
The success of Dungy and Cowher will keep us stuck with Reid for years to come.
I wish him well in San Fran, and look forward to seeing him give up a 2nd rounder for Kolb.
Quote from: Cerevant on December 05, 2008, 08:36:53 PM
Say what you will, but if Reid gets canned he will have a new HC job within a week.
The success of Dungy and Cowher will keep us stuck with Reid for years to come.
How about the failures of Dan Reeves & Marv Levy?
Quote from: Cerevant on December 05, 2008, 08:36:53 PM
Say what you will, but if Reid gets canned he will have a new HC job within a week.
I can't put into words how much I
don't give a farg about Reid coaching somewhere else. That'll be another team's problem.
I just pray for the day he's not coaching my team anymore.
Quote from: EagleFeva on December 06, 2008, 04:57:40 AM
Quote from: Cerevant on December 05, 2008, 08:36:53 PM
Say what you will, but if Reid gets canned he will have a new HC job within a week.
I can't put into words how much I don't give a farg about Reid coaching somewhere else. That'll be another team's problem.
I just pray for the day he's not coaching my team anymore.
Alright now. Who gives a crap about what happens if he's ever let go? Just get him gone.
Quote from: EagleFeva on December 06, 2008, 04:57:40 AM
Quote from: Cerevant on December 05, 2008, 08:36:53 PM
Say what you will, but if Reid gets canned he will have a new HC job within a week.
I can't put into words how much I don't give a farg about Reid coaching somewhere else. That'll be another team's problem.
I just pray for the day he's not coaching my team anymore.
What will happen is what he did here. He'll go in and revamp an organization like he did with the Birds. That is his strength. He is very good at that. But he'll probably fail like he has here because of his stubborn mentality (treating the run like it banged his wife).
Let me do the math for you all, since you seem to miss any subtlties:
1) Reid thinks he is doing a good job, and his regular season record supports it.
2) Coaches as successful as Reid have gone on to win the Super Bowl. "It just takes time"
3) There are teams much less successful than the Eagles who wish they had a coach "as good as Reid"
4) All of the above contribute to Lurie and Banner's opinion that they have one of the best coaches in the league.
There is no way Reid gets fired before the fans lose interest in the team. As long as the team gets a sniff of the playoffs every year, the fans keep coming back.
You can hope for a lot of changes, but the odds of the "big change" being the dismissal of Reid are about nil.
andy reid = marty schottenhiemer but maybe even worse
Success is measured in Super Bowl wins. Anything less is failure.
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 07, 2008, 11:30:04 AM
andy reid = marty schottenhiemer but maybe even worse
The Browns are looking to hire Schottenhiemer. Hopefully they pick him up before the Eagles do.
This is funny, even if his pick turned out wrong.
QuoteGIANTS (-7) over Eagles
Here's how much I respect the Giants (and don't respect the Eagles): We just witnessed one of the all-time in-season distractions in the history of the NATIONAL FOOTBALL LEAGUE (Copyright: Ron Jaworski), and even though this looks like a classic "They're too distracted to get focused for this one" situation, I still think the Giants win by two touchdowns as Andy Reid shatters the record for "most failed challenges in a single season" with three games still to go.
That reminds me, here was my favorite e-mail of the past two weeks, courtesy of Brad in Arlington after the Eagles lost to Baltimore:
"I've figured out what's wrong with Andy Reid: He can't deal with the stress of being an NFL head coach anymore, so he's gone to his happy place. Apparently his happy place is a labor day BBQ. That's the only other venue where he shows such self-destructive behavior and constant choice of instant gratification. Consider the similarities:
1. Reid in BBQ mode:
Wife: Honey, don't you think four burgers is enough?
Reid: Nah, I'll have one more.
Wife: Well, how about a turkey burger this time?
Reid: Nah. Regular burger. Cheese and bacon on it.
"Let's just throw, that's our bread and butter. Mmm ... bread and butter ... "
2. Reid in 2008 coaching mode:
Marty Mornhinweg: Third-and-1 coach, what's the call? Donovan sneak? Swing to Westbrook? Buckhalter off tackle?
Reid: Nah, just have Donovan throw long again.
(Result: interception by Fabian Washington.)
Mornhinweg: Second-and-inches inside the Baltimore 3. We should just pound it in, right?
Reid: Nah, let that Kolb kid throw it. I like his moustache.
(Result: 108-yard TAINT by Ed Reed.)
brad is my neighbor.
Diddy (http://csnphilly.com/pages/landing_homepage?blockID=19168&feedID=729)
QuoteSince the 2000 season, the Eagles are 5253-10 in games in which they have more rushing attempts than their opponents. They are 35-39-1 when they have fewer rushes. Games in which they have 30 or more rushing attempts, they are 3738-5. Games in which they have 20 rushes or fewer, they are 9-23-1. This season, they are 5-0 in games when they have more rushing attempts than their opponent. They are 1-5-1 when they don't.
:puke
...and if the Eagles make the playoffs, you can count on at least another 2 years with the big guy.
Quote"We were able to run the ball successfully early, and Coach stayed with it," Westbrook said. "He was very committed to it, and I give a lot of credit to him because usually we're not that committed to it. He saw that we were getting it done.
"We always try to tell him 2 or 3 yards is not that bad, and we had a couple of carries where it was just 2 or 3 yards. But he stayed committed to it, and sooner or later, that turned into 5 or 6 yards, then we had the big run down the middle."
Huh...imagine that.
Its like the players handcuffed him, waterboarded him and threatened to withhold food if he did not stick with the run.
Nice to see, but his itchy pass calling will return and it will be even more frustrating to see.
Quote from: EagleFeva on December 08, 2008, 08:54:39 AM
Diddy (http://csnphilly.com/pages/landing_homepage?blockID=19168&feedID=729)
QuoteSince the 2000 season, the Eagles are 5253-10 in games in which they have more rushing attempts than their opponents. They are 35-39-1 when they have fewer rushes. Games in which they have 30 or more rushing attempts, they are 3738-5. Games in which they have 20 rushes or fewer, they are 9-23-1. This season, they are 5-0 in games when they have more rushing attempts than their opponent. They are 1-5-1 when they don't.
:puke
While the point is made, it's easy to skew those numbers. If you have a big lead at the end of a game (which the Eagles did regularly for a few years) you have a tendency to run more...even AR. In addition, many of those "runs" were McNabb scrambles from back when he was a black quarterback.
All that being said, what happened yesterday needs to happen 7 more times this year for me to be satisfied.
exactly. two games in a row is not enough for me to be convinced he's going to stick with the run. i want this team to be known as a run first team. i want them to draft players who compliment this system too. we shall see...
Quote from: Butchers Bill on December 08, 2008, 01:20:29 PMIn addition, many of those "runs" were McNabb scrambles from back when he was a black quarterback.
lol
(http://assets.philadelphiaeagles.com/assets/news/240_reid_081208.jpg)
I think it's all going to come down to the Cowboys game for playoffs.
Valuable insight, I know.
From a strict personnel standpoint I feel the Eagles are quite a bit above average. That includes starters and depth. You can't possibly have a pro bowler at all positions. I have been a Reid backer all along but Jesus Christ he has to go. The upgrades they need are TE (BJ sucks, plain and simple). A change of pace/short yardage back. And as long as Runyan or Thomas don't retire, I feel the Eagles can compete for a SB With this group. Face it, if Reid only quit calling plays for the whole season, the Eagles win 12 games and we aren't having this conversation.
Maybe Andy will realize that he has lost his touch and step down or ask for a lesser role like GM only or something.
...maybe...
DING Reid is done!
DING Reid is done!
DING Reid is done!
:paranoid
I feel like roberto Duran
NO MAS!!
If they do not make the playoffs which at this point that seems damn near impossible, how is he not fired? 3 out of 4 seasons since the SB it will be no playoffs, not to mention the one appearance was a very early exit.
You're all crazy if you think Mr. Pass Happy is getting canned.
much like every season since the super bowl, my hopes are not up on this either
Quote from: SD_Eagle on December 22, 2008, 11:49:39 AM
You're all crazy if you think Mr. Pass Happy is getting canned.
and we were all crazy to think the Phillies would win a World Series
I don't really think he will be, I just don't see how he can't.
The best coach in Eagle history will not be fired. Our only hope is that he steps down or chokes on a burger.
its the first time in a while during Andys presser today that somebody got a pair of balls and asked him:
Reporter: Does it seem to you that after losses that youre entering the same questions and the same shortcomings over and over again?
Reid: Yeah you guys arent too creative--that a farging ironic joke
Eskin: Can you explain why guys are still out of position 15 weeks into the season?
Reid: Did I say they were out of position?
Eskin: Well Im assuming calling a timeout early in the 3rd quarter was the reason
Reid: Im not going to get into all that
I have never hated somebody more in my life
Nice.
I'd just like one of them to say "Andy, don't you see that in the 3 games that you called a balance attack, you won, and then when you go back to being so pass happy, you lose?"
The answer would probably be "I'm not going to get into all of that."
I'm not going to get in to all of that. It is part of your god damned job to get in to all of that! The main part of your job is to correct all of that, preventing it from happening again. And again. And again. Every single week for ten years running.
QuoteReid: Yeah you guys arent too creative
Well neither are you and your predictable offense. Get out of town already, your washed up and your time is over. If you can't evolve with the rest of the division and the league, which you have proven, then you don't deserve a job.
You do realize he can't hear you, right mussa?
Quote from: Rome on December 22, 2008, 05:48:49 PM
You do realize he can't hear you, right mussa?
:-D :-D :-D
:paranoid
http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/fire-andy-reid/signatures.html (http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/fire-andy-reid/signatures.html)
done
As long as this douche is still HC it is going to be hard to get excited about this team.
One more time. (http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/99-12232008-1642501.html)
QuoteBrian Westbrook, who rushed for more than 1,300 yards last year, got just four second-half carries out of 41 offensive snaps. Correll Buckhalter, averaging 4.6 yards per carry, had one only carry in the game, none after halftime.
Exactly were was Buckhalter?
QuoteIn reality, there are a few likely reasons that Reid won't cite for the run-pass disparity. Westbrook isn't totally healthy, and with his bad ankle can't cut like he usually does. The offensive line is banged up and inconsistent. Tight end L.J. Smith has struggled with his blocking. The team's best blocking receiver, Hank Baskett, didn't play Sunday. Field position was awful, and Reid wanted to get a big chunk of yards to get out of the soup. Teams are playing eight in the box.
Teams can play eight in the box
all the time because the receivers on this team can't get any separation off the line. There isn't a WR on this team that demands double coverage. This fact goes directly back to Andy Reid. He cannot draft a wide out, and feels comfortable with mediocre receivers while he passes more than any NFL coach in history. He's an ignorant, hard headed prick who can't see past his play card. In the meantime this team is millions under the cap every year. You guys tell me if this site (http://www.eaglescap.com/) is correct or not.
Gold Standard my friggen' ass. More like the Turd Standard.
Yeah the FO has been putting out that 8 men in the box excuse after the loss.
That and how Westbrook was doubled/spied the whole game.
NO REALLY? Every single opposing defense plans the same way against the Eagles. Double/triple Westbrook and then drop back into coverage. Every defense knows they will not run the ball and every defense knows McNabb no longer takes off so they do not need to spy him.
Guess what...every team tries to put 8 in the box against Carolina and the Giants. Does not deter them from running the ball.
Quote from: Reuben FrankIn reality, there are a few likely reasons that Reid won't cite for the run-pass disparity. Westbrook isn't totally healthy, and with his bad ankle can't cut like he usually does. The offensive line is banged up and inconsistent. Tight end L.J. Smith has struggled with his blocking. The team's best blocking receiver, Hank Baskett, didn't play Sunday. Field position was awful, and Reid wanted to get a big chunk of yards to get out of the soup. Teams are playing eight in the box.
I can't even believe that Frank would would suggest these elements as an excuse!
Westbrook is not totally healthy: You have Buckhalter and you have Eckel. No, they are not Westbrook, but they have shown they can run the football. That does not even begin to address the fact that a good number of teams who do effectively run the ball have line-men and their primary runningbacks out.
The offensive line is banged up and inconsistent: Every line in the NFL is banged up by this time of the seaosn. This same banged up line showed that it CAN enable a running game. It did so against New York, it also did so when they were allowed to run.
TE LJ Struggled with his blocking: Which should still enable some up-the-middel running. A full back can help as well (even the defective remedy that is Klecko), and why do we not have an effective blocking TE. If all else fails, then replace LJ with an O-linemen. Other teams can, so why can we not. The simple fact that we do not even have a capable blocking TE is already Reids fault - so is the fact that we not have a proper FB. If anything, this is even more incriminating.
Baskett injured: Might limit you running of the edge, but there are enough options (or should be) in any NFL playbook to work around that problem.
Reid wanted big chunks: And this was well known to the defense, who took away most opportunities. In fact, this is well known to EVERY defense in the league.
Teams are playing 8 in the box: SO WHAT !!. A good team is still able to run against it... in fact the offensive line has proved it can. And even if they have 8 in the box, if they have 2 dropping into coverage at the snap you still have nowhere to go with your short passes, and should easily be able to run against them. In the present NFL the pre-snap read is as likely as not no indication of what the defense will actually play (drop the LB's into coverage, blitz etc. etc. etc).
Magical, it sounds like you were listening to Eskin yesterday.
I hear ya--Eskin kept bringing that bullshtein up over and over after each caller making more excuses for chubsy wubsy
Now, I know that 8 man in the box and the spy is not this new frightening defensive scheme that defensive coordinators just came up with last week. So, that being the case you mean to tell me they couldnt split Westbrook out wide more or put him the slot--now wheres your spy?
Also, with 8 man in and even with the zesty-ass receivers the Eagles have--you can split 4 receivers wide more frequently to spread the defense and run some effective draws with Buck.
Bottom line is on a day when the Eagles were short-handed with their "best" receivers, they threw against one of the better defensive backfields in the NFL over and over...when the tape Andy Reid should of been watching was the taterskins getting bull-dozed at the line of scrimmage by their last 3 opponents.
Yeah I did hear the start of his show. He led off with a rant about how the players failed the coach, that he is not a bad coach, and that the taterskins forced them to pass by putting 8 in the box and doubling Westbrook.
BS.
8 men in a box.
Umpossible.
Philly.com:
With Christmas nearly upon us, the SportsWit' staff is busy doing some last-minute holiday shopping. This year, we've decided to buy presents for some of the people and teams that have appeared in this space since its inception. Many have been naughty, a few have been nice, but all have provided your humble Page 2 servants with something to write about in 2008. For that, we're truly grateful.
And now, here's a quick peek at the SportsWit' gift list:
The Cowboys - Framed pictures of ESPN reporter and trouble-starter Ed Werder. Because nothing says Happy Holidays like (even more) locker-room bickering.
The Mets - An instruction booklet outlining the quickest way to perform the Heimlich.
The Phillies - Hmm, what do you get for the team that won it all? A second championship would be nice, but that's a gift only they can purchase. Instead, we'll go with eternal adoration and the promise that they'll never have to buy a drink in this town again. As stocking stuffers, we'll also throw in T-shirts with Chase Utley's now infamous post-parade celebratory comment printed across the front. Speaking of . . .
Chase Utley - A seven-second delay.
Pat Burrell - A soft place to land and a new team that will treat him well.
Reggie Brown, L.J. Smith and Samuel Dalembert - One-way tickets on the next Greyhound bus leaving town.
Hank Baskett - A prenup.
Ed Stefanski - A 6-foot-9, 250-pound power forward with no foot speed and a hefty five-year, $80 million contract. Sorry, no returns on this gift. All sales are, unfortunately, final.
Andy Reid - A contract extension. Oops, sorry, that present is actually supposed to go to Brian Dawkins. We got them confused. There are so many other things we'd like to get Reid: a clock management specialist. The acclaimed coaching book How to Run the Ball for Dummies. A clue. For now, though, we'll just go with the time-honored lump of coal. Enjoy, Andy. You earned it.
Jeffrey Lurie - A new head coach.
Quote from: reese125 on December 23, 2008, 02:58:53 PM
Jeffrey Lurie - A new head coach.
Amen pass the sauce!!
QuoteReggie Brown, L.J. Smith and Samuel Dalembert - One-way tickets on the next Greyhound bus leaving town.
Hark......the Harald Angels Sing...........
Quote from: shorebird on December 24, 2008, 12:18:43 AM
Hark......the Harald Angels Sing...........
*cough* Um, I need to put the angels in a better position...
Ahhhhhhh hhahahahah. Don't hurt yourself.
bearded andy is a better coach than regular andy.
Quote from: hunt on December 28, 2008, 06:38:24 PM
bearded andy is a better coach than regular andy.
It's Andy from the evil parallel universe.
And with that win, you can count on Andy being the head coach for another 5 years. Woohoo.
I saw one of his loser kids on the sideline, I think. Weren't they both in jail?
Quote from: hunt on December 28, 2008, 06:38:24 PM
bearded andy is a better coach than regular andy.
i agree with myself.
bearded andy is also much more likeable.
So, let's address this. At what point this season did Andy Reid hand over play-calling responsibilities? Was that the best coaching decision he made this year? What are the run/pass numbers since Marty took over?
My dislike of Reid is so ingrained at this point that I don't want to give him any credit for solid offensive or team performances but as the reality of the situation sinks in I'm looking for someone to make a compelling argument about why he should be credited for their wins...
So what you're saying is that you've started smoking crack again?
That implies that I had stopped at some point.
They didn't totally abandon the run today, even though it wasn't working very well. It still kept a good D honest. Only thing I have to complain about is that when you saw the run in the gaps or off tackle wasn't working, I'd have like to have seen some sweeps. I'd also like to see some screen passes.
But........this team is one win away from the friggen' Superbowl. I'm not going to complain too much.
40 passing attempts to 28 rushing attempts today.
If the Eagles win the Super Bowl this year, is Andy a Hall of Fame coach? I hear talk of Dungy being first ballot HOF, supposing a Super Bowl victory, what has Dungy done that Andy hasn't?
If we say yes, will you leave?
Ha, ha, ha funny reply............douche.
No, seriously. Answer the question.
No.
Quote from: rjs246 on January 11, 2009, 07:06:49 PM
So, let's address this. At what point this season did Andy Reid hand over play-calling responsibilities? Was that the best coaching decision he made this year? What are the run/pass numbers since Marty took over?
My dislike of Reid is so ingrained at this point that I don't want to give him any credit for solid offensive or team performances but as the reality of the situation sinks in I'm looking for someone to make a compelling argument about why he should be credited for their wins...
What if no one cares what you're convinced of?
Marty's been calling the plays for 2 seasons now. They both hold charts, but Marty is the one with direct communication to the QB. I actually think Reid made marty call more running plays...it's not like MM is some kind of football genius.
Everyone should care because I farging rule.
Marty took the wind in OT. Still hilarious.
yeah when you win the coin toss in OT and elect to kick off, its amazing if you can even get a job as a Pop Warner coach--but whatever
Quote from: rjs246 on January 12, 2009, 12:22:20 PM
Everyone should care because I farging rule.
I care, I care big time.
Quote'Tight as a drum' Reid is triumphant
By Ashley Fox
Inquirer Staff Writer
EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J. - Yesterday morning, long before the Eagles team buses snaked through the concrete maze that leads into the Meadowlands, before the team took the frigid field and before it walked away with a defiant 23-11 victory over the New York Giants, Andy Reid was tight.
"Tight as a drum," said one team official.
It's the playoffs, and even though Reid had coached in 15 postseason games before yesterday, they're always nerve-racking affairs. High pressure, high reward, huge potentially disappointment. Add in a division rival for an opponent and a trip to the NFC championship game on the line, and, of course, the 50-year-old Reid was tight.
What transpired over the course of the morning and afternoon, however, made the tightness and the worry dissipate. When the divisional playoff game was over, the scruffy-faced Reid was relieved, reflective (for him), and ready to make his fifth trip to the NFC championship game, where the Eagles under his leadership are 1-3 and where, this time, they will face the Arizona Cardinals on Sunday.
"I'm glad to be here, and I want to keep going," Reid said. "This football team wants to keep going. We're going to work our tail off to do that."
Pregame.
A little before 11 a.m., with two state troopers leading the way with sirens blaring, the Eagles team buses arrived at Giants Stadium for the third game against New York this season. The Eagles' six-point win over the Giants on Dec. 7 was part of the reason the team was here. It had gained confidence that blustery day, not to mention a much-needed December win.
Still, Reid was nervous. The Giants had a huge running back in Brandon Jacobs, a slithery back in Derrick Ward, and a challenging defense with Justin Tuck particularly dangerous rushing up the middle.
At 12:56 p.m., Reid jogged onto the field behind his team, then paced the sideline until it was time for the national anthem about five minutes later. He watched the singer, Jordin Sparks, belt out the familiar song, with rookie returner Quintin Demps to his left and veteran safety Brian Dawkins to his right.
As soon as the song was over, Reid shook his hat at Dawkins, then spoke to Donovan McNabb before the coin flip. McNabb called heads. The flip was tails. It was Reid's only bad call of the day.
First quarter. The Giants took a 3-0 lead, which only had to make Reid tighter early in the game. But after an Eagles' punt, Asante Samuel for the second straight week picked off a pass, giving the Eagles phenomenal field position at the Giants' 2-yard line. After Brian Westbrook took a 1-yard loss, the Giants got flagged for holding, giving the Eagles a new set of downs. Westbrook gained 1 yard, and then Reid made a call he wouldn't make earlier in the season: quarterback sneak.
McNabb took the ball, pushed forward through the Giants' defensive line and extended his arms out so that the ball went into the end zone. Touchdown.
"That was real big for him, to just stick with it," veteran offensive tackle Tra Thomas said of Reid. "We got it done."
Second quarter. The Eagles' offense sputtered in the second quarter. McNabb got flagged for an intentional grounding call, when he threw to an empty spot on the field with Giants rushers in his face in the end zone. It resulted in a safety. Then, McNabb threw an interception on a deep ball intended for DeSean Jackson.
When the Eagles' offense got the ball back, they trailed by 8-7 and only 1 minute, 24 seconds remained in the half. The Eagles went no-huddle, and Marty Mornhinweg and Reid started calling for maximum protection from the offensive line and quick passes so that McNabb could get rid of the ball quickly.
Brent Celek dropped McNabb's first pass, but McNabb completed the next five, and 6 of 9 overall, driving the Eagles to the Giants' 7-yard line. After another incompletion to Jackson, Akers kicked a 25-yard field goal to give the Eagles a two-point halftime lead, and some momentum. "They were blitzing like crazy," Reid said. "We just thought we needed to get the ball out of our hands a little quicker."
Halftime. Reid wanted to build on the momentum from that drive in the second half, when the Eagles would start with the ball. He told the team the game was there for the taking, as long as they executed.
Third quarter. The Eagles handed the momentum back to the Giants on the second play of the third quarter, when Chase Blackburn tipped a McNabb pass for Kevin Curtis, and Fred Robbins intercepted it. After another John Carney field goal gave the Giants an 11-10 lead, McNabb took a shot down field for Curtis, who shook his defender, was wide open on the left side and had nothing but green and a safety between him and a touchdown.
But Curtis momentarily took his eye off the ball, resulting in a drop. He was devastated, but two plays later McNabb went back to him for a 15-yard gain. When Curtis got to the sideline, Reid told him "to watch that thing in." Curtis didn't drop another ball, and finished with four catches for 40 yards. "Nothing he told me was anything I didn't already know," Curtis said, "but it's a powerful reminder knowing that you always watch the ball in. I'm a receiver and my job is to catch the ball. You can't ever relax and lose that focus. I was going to make sure I didn't drop another one."
Fourth quarter. Early in the quarter, with a nine-point lead, the Eagles faced fourth and 2 from the Giants' 37. Reid elected to punt, because he thought Sav Rocca could pin the Giants inside the 10-yard line and make them drive the entire field for a score.
"That's pure confidence in the defense from Andy, and that's what we love," linebacker Chris Gocong said.
The decision worked. New York started at its own 11, but couldn't get past the 47. The Eagles scored one more field goal, and that was that.
Postgame. Afterward, Reid told his team to celebrate, but not to forget that their jobs aren't done. In his postgame press conference, he compared defensive coordinator Jim Johnson, who coached from the press box because his back was bothering him, to Penn State's Joe Paterno. And he smiled. A couple of times. "I'll tell you what," Reid said, "I'll take this one."
For the record I am not looking forward to licking Andy Reid's back hair.
Quote from: rjs246 on January 12, 2009, 03:31:23 PM
For the record I am not looking forward to licking Andy Reid's back hair.
I forgot about that. Would you rather lick his back hair or lick the soup out of his beard?
What kind of soup?
Mormon Chowder.
Oh and keep in mind that I don't believe Andy is ever allowed to wash his magical mormon underwear. So his back might be pretty ripe. The hair is probably matted down like a Grizzly that just woke up from hibernation.
I'd rather lick neither but would volunteer to lick both if he delivers a superbowl.
Quote from: FastFreddie on November 21, 2008, 03:10:32 PM
I would love that. TRUCK RATHMAN would spontaneously combust.
I would. With $100 bills in winnings against my Niners :yay
This week could be Reid's biggest coaching challenge of his career, minus the Super Bowl week.
I say that because it is much like 2002 when they are facing a team they played and beat in the regular season (they played CAR in 2003 as well) but he needs to have the locker room attitude and gameplan right. In 2002 we know, from quotes after the fact, that the Eagles expected to show up and handle the Bucs like they did that regular season and in years past.
Alter Andy; the bearded, quotable, gameplan adjusting coach needs to pound it into these guys heads that November does not mean shtein. Nor does the road favorite point spread and everyone assuming they will rock the Cards.
They cannot come out flat.
tampa was the perfect storm of overconfidence so i throw that one out the window...overall this is not a team i have ever thought has been over confident....andy is a master at having his teams ready to play...its probably his best coaching trait and i have no doubt the team will not be over confident...
especially when they are lucky to have even made the playoffs this year
One of the reasons I thought they would beat NY, was because of their attitude. But I get nervous when it comes to NFCCG's. I just hope he pounds it in their heads to stay hungry and all of that cliche stuff.
But I do think this week is huge for Andy in that sense and as well as gameplanning.
nah its the friggin cardinals....imo theres limited game planning to do this week...keep the wr's in front of you show warner a couple blitzes he hasnt seen before...pick him off two or thee times and book your flight to tampa
its funny you say that because they showed a clip on Fox of Andy talking to his players in practice saying:
"Alright fellas, listen up....theres not much we have to do this week as far as game planning for these guys...so DB's go over there and meet up with Jimmy for 5 minutes...the rest of you guys...Ill see you on Sunday."
youre unreal
Looks like Andy is pounding it in their heads to forget Thanksgiving...I like that.
QuoteUsually, the players immediately head for their cars and split. This time, Reid herded them into the NovaCare auditorium for a brief meeting. Told them to enjoy the moment for a few hours, then start focusing on this week's game. Warned them it would be a huge mistake to underestimate the Cardinals.
"[I told them], 'You're looking at a good football team,' " Reid said.
Reid continued the sermon on Monday when he met with the media. Said he didn't think the Eagles "got their best shot" when they pummeled the Cards 6 weeks ago. Said they were coming off a tough game (a 37-29 loss to the Giants). Said they had to make that long, cross-country plane ride. Said it was Thanksgiving. Didn't say that the Cardinals missed their mommies or had bellyaches from eating too much pumpkin pie. But that probably would have been next.
"This will be a different football team that we will see out there," Reid warned. "I've had a chance to go through four [tapes of] games now. The last four of their season. And it's very obvious when you put on the film [how much better they are playing].
"Schematically, they are doing some different things. [They are] way more aggressive from a defensive standpoint. Offensively, they always have been aggressive. But they've got the run game going now. I think the offensive line is playing better. They have one of the finest coaching staffs around; [coaches] that know how to win games. They are playing very good football right now."
they are playing this post game speech from andy on wip...he says paraphrasing...
all you fat guys you need to lose some pounds because we are going to arizona...let me tell you ill go to war anytime anyplace with any of you guys...
its awesome
Yeah, I saw that on PE.com....Alter Andy is cool.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 14, 2009, 01:36:35 PM
they are playing this post game speech from andy on wip...he says paraphrasing...
all you fat guys you need to lose some pounds because we are going to arizona...let me tell you ill go to war anytime anyplace with any of you guys...
its awesome
they showed that after the game Sunday, The Beard brings out a much more likeable version of the guy, hell, even his press conferences were better
Andy has always been different to his players than he is to the media, no?
Quote from: FastFreddie on January 14, 2009, 01:54:28 PM
Andy has always been different to his players than he is to the media, no?
by all the stories ive ever heard yes...but it was different to actually hear it
oh yea, but you should have heard the fire in him, its like RJS really did set him ablaze
if postgame ny andy was andy all the time he would be a legend
Obviously, Andy cares about being a legend in our minds.
Andy.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 14, 2009, 01:36:35 PM
they are playing this post game speech from andy on wip...he says paraphrasing...
all you fat guys you need to lose some pounds because we are going to arizona...let me tell you ill go to war anytime anyplace with any of you guys...
its awesome
Ok this is probably dumb but I don't get the "all you fat guys need to lose some pounds because we are going to arizona..." line. What does it mean?
So while the Alter Andy love fest continues, this would be a good time to re-title the thread as "Another Decade of Andy Reid". Cause sure as shtein ain't shinola, he'll be there, we'll be here, and the kids will still be cooking pruno under the cold iron bed.
Quote from: Magical_Retard on January 14, 2009, 05:33:32 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 14, 2009, 01:36:35 PM
they are playing this post game speech from andy on wip...he says paraphrasing...
all you fat guys you need to lose some pounds because we are going to arizona...let me tell you ill go to war anytime anyplace with any of you guys...
its awesome
Ok this is probably dumb but I don't get the "all you fat guys need to lose some pounds because we are going to arizona..." line. What does it mean?
fat guys sweat a lot...takes one to know one
http://www.youtube.com/v/F_tksEtSF6M&hl=en&fs=1
Who let Charro in the locker room?
nice to see he has some emotions
i like how all the highlights from that video are all passing plays :-\
That's good shtein from Alter Andy. Damn, I wish he'd stick around...
Fire regular Andy, hire Alter Andy and get him a GM.
Quote from: General_Failure on January 15, 2009, 12:08:59 PM
Fire regular Andy, hire Alter Andy and get him a GM.
Amen. Just don't let him shave the beard.
(http://i43.tinypic.com/358sc4p.jpg)
/approves
PSU alumnus Jonathan Frakes!
He was awesome on Gargoyles.
Quote from: General_Failure on January 14, 2009, 08:51:08 PM
Who let Charro in the locker room?
for real. that guy should be cut.
I was watching "The Andy Reid Show" this morning. He and Spadaro sit uncomfortably close to each other. Andy was sitting backwards on his chair with his legs spread. Spadaro was snuggled in between. Very weird.
ANDY REID IN A HAWAIIAN SHIRT ON MY BIRTHDAY!
Does life get any better?
Andy Reid can lick my hairy hanging ball sack.
Smallwood: this team will never win with Reid (http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/20090118_John_Smallwood__Birds_wont_get_any_better_with_Reid.html)
i won't read that bc smallwood is the whiniest little bitch on earth. i can't stand that guy. every god damn time he's on DNL he's always shaking his fat farg head looking down and going, "i meeaannn..."
i do agree with that link title though.
On the plus side, Andy might use his discretionary Pro Bowl roster spot on Celek. :D
Oh that's right. He'll be out here coaching the NFC. I'll be sure to feed him to the sharks.
Quote from: BigEd76 on January 18, 2009, 11:19:27 PM
Smallwood: this team will never win with Reid (http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/20090118_John_Smallwood__Birds_wont_get_any_better_with_Reid.html)
Damn, this guy read my mind. In summary:
The Eagles don't suck.
Andy Reid doesn't suck.
Donovan McNabb doesn't suck.
That's the problem.
I believe with the right personnel, Andy Reid can win a Super Bowl. I believe that if there were someone - a competent GM for example - who could tell the emperor that he has no clothes (or, that he needs a special assistant for clock management) without fear of retribution, that he could be one of the best coaches ever.
If Andy won't gameplan around the talent he has, get someone who will give him the talent his system needs.
If Andy can't see the mistakes in front of his face, make sure his boss can.
The solution to the Eagles problems is not a new coach or a new QB...it is a GM.
Quote from: Cerevant on January 21, 2009, 05:15:13 AMThe solution to the Eagles problems is not a new coach or a new QB...it is a GM.
I'm willing to entertain this idea.
Quote from: Diomedes on January 21, 2009, 06:43:04 AM
Quote from: Cerevant on January 21, 2009, 05:15:13 AMThe solution to the Eagles problems is not a new coach or a new QB...it is a GM.
I'm willing to entertain this idea.
Most of us would be. Unfortunately, the Lurie/Banner/Reid regime apparently are not willing. Gold standard and all.
A while ago we were talking about "if Andy wins it do you cut him some slack."
If the Eagles stripped him of GM duties and installed a GM--a good one I would hope--then I guess I would give the Eagles a couple years to see how it goes before I revert to calling for Andy's head.
anything, just freaking make something happen. the less decisions the fat man is making the better
Quote from: Cerevant on January 21, 2009, 05:15:13 AM
I believe that if there were someone - a competent GM for example - who could tell the emperor that he has no clothes (or, that he needs a special assistant for clock management) without fear of retribution, that he could be one of the best coaches ever.
dont get to watch many eagle games in thunder bay do you
a gm cant and shouldnt tell a coach how to run a game...a gm hires a coach that has the same philosophy as he does...this is why you hire gm's before you hire coaches and why when a new gm is hired the coach generally fears for his job....you cant bring in a gm and then tell andy to disavow himself from everything he believes in...and as much as andy is a horrible game day coach he shouldnt have to switch...andy is what he is and thats not going to change...you want the eagles to run a different offense and call games differently then you need a new coach not a new gm...or you need both...
A GM is however the boss, and therefore holds the coach accountable. If said coach is not getting something done game in and game out it is the GMs responsibility to right the ship is it not?
yes
and you right the ship by firing the person making the same mistakes game in and game out
its not the gm's job to tell the coach how to coach
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 21, 2009, 12:02:30 PM
yes
and you right the ship by firing the person making the same mistakes game in and game out
its not the gm's job to tell the coach how to coach
The difference between a GM being Reid's boss and Lurie/Banner being Reid's boss is that a GM is a football guy and is qualified to tell Reid that he isn't doing his job well. How does an accountant assess Reid's performance? Look at the mountain of numbers that already says Reid is a great coach.
What is important is that Reid have a boss who is competant to evaluate the job he is doing and be able to tell him that he is doing it wrong - with the leverage to fire his ass if he doesn't fix it. That's what I was saying before - I don't think Reid will succeed with the Eagles because he isn't afraid for his job...he has no incentive to change.
Quote from: Cerevant on January 21, 2009, 01:26:40 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 21, 2009, 12:02:30 PM
yes
and you right the ship by firing the person making the same mistakes game in and game out
its not the gm's job to tell the coach how to coach
The difference between a GM being Reid's boss and Lurie/Banner being Reid's boss is that a GM is a football guy and is qualified to tell Reid that he isn't doing his job well. How does an accountant assess Reid's performance? Look at the mountain of numbers that already says Reid is a great coach.
What is important is that Reid have a boss who is competant to evaluate the job he is doing and be able to tell him that he is doing it wrong - with the leverage to fire his ass if he doesn't fix it. That's what I was saying before - I don't think Reid will succeed with the Eagles because he isn't afraid for his job...he has no incentive to change.
A good way to look at it. I really agree. That last statement I don't think is valid. No one at that level really has a fear for their job. I think most coaches at that level have a hatred of failure that I am sure Reid has. He is very guarded and none of us really know what he is like. That little glimpse we got after the Giant game was, I thought, very telling. And, his present and former players seem to have a great respect for him.
Well, call it what you will, but as competitive as Reid is, I've never seen evidence that he puts any of the blame for loss on himself. "I need to do a better job putting my players in a better position to make plays" = "they couldn't execute the brilliant strategy that would have obviously won the game"
wha what? what kind of evidence are you looking for...you looking for tears? how many coaches are going to go to the podium and say, "yeah..my fault guys..Im the reason we lost today..I gotta do a better job at coaching."
not for nothing but all Reid does is shoulder the blame when they lose. Hes expecting you to read between the lines when he says he has to put players in a better position...or I have to do better getting plays in out of the huddle, etc.
some specifics on how hes going to fix it would be super..but its not happening on Reids watch
Taking the blame and fixing the problem are, surprisingly, two different things. He went pass happy to a mediocre record, and dusted off the running game for a little bit with no in position to make it work. Westbrook was running into linemen all season long. There's a 270 pound fullback that was told to lose 30 pounds in camp, then told to put it back on because the halfback they thought could do the job wasn't really good for much. There is no blocking TE on the team either.
Since he does not get players that fit his system, or tailor his system to his players, we can safely assume that he does not put his players in a better position to make plays. Either he's lying every week in the post-game press conference, or he's grossly incompetent. Either one would be grounds for dismissal if there were any accountability.
Shannahan is an even worse GM if thats possible
Shanahan's defensive draft picks have been awful. He's made some solid offensive ones.
Quote from: General_Failure on January 21, 2009, 03:45:09 PM
Since he does not get players that fit his system, or tailor his system to his players, we can safely assume that he does not put his players in a better position to make plays. Either he's lying every week in the post-game press conference, or he's grossly incompetent. Either one would be grounds for dismissal if there were any accountability.
Exactly.
Quote from: King Cole on January 21, 2009, 05:10:32 PM
Shanahan's defensive draft picks have been awful. He's made some solid offensive ones.
Maurice Clarett 3rd round says hi
brandon marshall and jay cutler say hi back
eddie royal wasnt bad this year either
that terrell davis was a fine player
Quote from: SunMo on January 22, 2009, 08:41:26 AM
that terrell davis was a fine player
you had a few Bud Limes last night didnt you
no, they don't sell them at the Wach...i pissed on the beer guy to protest
AR's wiki pic is sure worth checking out (before it gets changed) - captioned "Reid in August 2008"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andy_Reid
Quote from: Eagaholic on January 26, 2009, 11:19:28 PM
AR's wiki pic is sure worth checking out (before it gets changed) - captioned "Reid in August 2008"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andy_Reid
Your doing, I guess?
no, not me. I can barely manage the quote function here.
ha, good stuff
well, that didn't take more than a few hours to get fixed. The shot that has AR captioned as "Reid in August 2008" showed the following pic:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/35/Walrus.jpg/200px-Walrus.jpg)
According to Banner's CSN interview, Andy knows he's fat, but he works out a lot. yeaaaaaa
Reid talks to Spadaro, confirms they're cheap and smug (http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=17554&spadaro=1)
Quote"...we feel like we've groomed Quintin Demps to step in and fill that position. If that doesn't work out, we've signed a couple of free agents in Sean Jones and Rashad Baker that we think are good football players. Are any of them Brian Dawkins? Well, no, it's not fair to compare any of them to Brian right now. But they are young guys who have the opportunity to try and strive to be as good Brian has been."
If they aren't as good as Brian, why not keep Brian before he gets into free agency?
"That's a good question. We did make an attempt and it didn't work out. Obviously, he got a phenomenal deal from the Broncos. That is all part of this business and that's what Brian did and that's what we did. Like they say, the sun comes up every day and the NFL season comes around every year. Brian is getting ready to do his thing with the Broncos and we're getting ready to do our thing."
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Some fans wonder, though, why the Eagles, who have so much room under the salary cap, would not just do anything it takes to keep a player like Dawkins here. Why not go the extra mile and keep him here?
"I understand that and we're obviously in a business where change takes place. You set the money aside and we did what we thought was fair and Denver did what they thought was fair and they did a great job with it. And we move on. That's how these things work. There is no animosity towards Brian. That's just business. I think Brian understands that, we understand that and you just go on."
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Fans see a team that has enough room under the salary cap to do whatever it wants in terms of acquiring players. The approach seems to be more conservative. Can you explain the approach so far in the off-season?
"You can say it's a conservative approach or you can just say it's smart. People are hesitant to say that, but ... Because you have the money, you just don't go blow it on something that you don't think is good enough quality to put on the Eagles uniform. ..."
Quote from: BigEd76 on March 19, 2009, 09:57:52 AM
Some fans wonder, though, why the Eagles, who have so much room under the salary cap, would not just do anything it takes to keep a player like Dawkins here. Why not go the extra mile and keep him here?
"I understand that and we're obviously in a business where change takes place. You set the money aside and we did what we thought was fair and Denver did what they thought was fair and they did a great job with it. And we move on. That's how these things work. There is no animosity towards Brian. That's just business. I think Brian understands that, we understand that and you just go on."
A lot of people who wind up crying like a bitch understand why they're crying. Unless you're at an intervention, it probably wasn't a good decision that had them blubbering all over the place.
Quote from: FAT ANDY
Because you have the money, you just don't go blow it on something that you don't think is good enough quality to put on the Eagles uniform.
Definitely quotable.
Let's now please mention some of the guys who HAVE been good enough to put on the Eagles uniform in the Reid era. I'll start:
Freddie Mitchell
Quinton Caver
Mike McMahon
Andy Hall
Mike Gasperson
Quote
"I understand that and we're obviously in a business where change takes place. You set the money aside and we did what we thought was fair and Denver did what they thought was fair and they did a great job with it.
and the eagles did a horrioble job with it...end of story
anything else these clowns have to say is all crap
Quote from: FastFreddie on March 19, 2009, 10:17:19 AM
Quote from: FAT ANDY
Because you have the money, you just don't go blow it on something that you don't think is good enough quality to put on the Eagles uniform.
Definitely quotable.
Let's now please mention some of the guys who HAVE been good enough to put on the Eagles uniform in the Reid era. I'll start:
Freddie Mitchell
Quinton Caver
Mike McMahon
Andy Hall
Mike Gasperson
Na Brown
Todd Pinkston
Reno Mahe
Guys who were worth even more than that:
Blaine Bishop
Jevon Kearse
If I was in a much worse place in my life, this thread could lead to suicidal thoughts.
How about good 'ol Levon Kirkland? Those two fatty's probably helped launch Five Guys.
simenou is my favorite because andy actually seeked him out and gave up something for him
trying his damndest to make matt mccoy and sean considine starters was priceless to
I hope that fat sonuvabitch is at the BYU game at the Center today so I can Gillooly his farging knees.
Indeed, but it should be noted that there are plenty of no-talent black guys too:
Todd Pinkston
Tony Hunt
Michael Lewis*
*included purely to annoy
there are but you could at least pick the right ones
michael lewis and todd pinkston on the same level as a quinton caver matt mccoy or sean considine...not even close
Reading is fundamental.
And Pinkston was just as bad or worse, because they pushed him as a starter for so long. It's not like a Greg Lewis situation where they kept him around as a 4th/5th option. They actually used Pinkston as an excuse not to upgrade the STARTING lineup. Awful.
I disagree on Lewis. He was a solid player till the New Orleans game in 06' when he blew coverage against Horn and Reid never gave him another shot again.
Reid's fault; not Lewis'. In fact, had Reid not misplayed that situation, I think Lewis would still be here...would have obviously meant Mikell would be elsewhere, but nevertheless, farg you Reid.
Quote from: FastFreddie on March 19, 2009, 11:26:30 AM
They actually used Pinkston as an excuse not to upgrade the STARTING lineup. Awful.
huh?...they made by far their biggest upgrade at the position when they had pinkston and he actually had a very good year when they did
pinkston was what he was...the hate he got took on a life of its own and was so far over the top that by the end it became completely ridiculous
he was a solid nfl'er and does not belong on a list with the other truly horrific players mentioned here
Solid? C'mon homey, I'd cringe to even call him average.
After his performance against Carolina and his "losing in the lights" bullshtein, his ticket out of Philly was essentially punched. They had no choice but to upgrade. I've always thought if Pinkston wouldnt have performed as poorly as he did in that game and the team wins and goes to the SB, Owens never wears an Eagles jersey.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 19, 2009, 11:34:59 AM
Quote from: FastFreddie on March 19, 2009, 11:26:30 AM
They actually used Pinkston as an excuse not to upgrade the STARTING lineup. Awful.
huh?...they made by far their biggest upgrade at the position when they had pinkston and he actually had a very good year when they did
pinkston was what he was...the hate he got took on a life of its own and was so far over the top that by the end it became completely ridiculous
he was a solid nfl'er and does not belong on a list with the other truly horrific players mentioned here
I hate to agree with this, but I will.
He was never a #1. He was shoved into that position and it wasnt his fault.
If he wasn't supposed to be a number #1 - especially when as a rookie, he played on a team that only had Charles Johnson, Torrance Small and Na Brown as receivers, why exactly was he drafted in the top of the 2nd round?
Again, farg Ried.
Andy is full of shtein.
Mike Lewis sucked in coverage; we knew that, they knew that and he knew that. He was a helluva in the box guy. But with Dawk getting up there, you couldn't have two in the box guys on the field at the same time.
Thank goodness for Mikell developing into a solid player.
Mikell has had one solid year as a pro. One. Let's not go jerking each others' dicks around just yet.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 19, 2009, 11:58:08 AM
But with Dawk getting up there, you couldn't have two in the box guys on the field at the same time.
The thing is though Dawk still had one of his best years last season...3 years removed from Lewis' last full season as an Eagle. So if that was their reasoning, again, another miscalculation for Andy and the FO.
One year or not, I'm on the Mikell wagon.
Quote from: Die-Hard on March 19, 2009, 11:51:02 AM
Solid? C'mon homey, I'd cringe to even call him average.
After his performance against Carolina and his "losing in the lights" bullshtein, his ticket out of Philly was essentially punched. They had no choice but to upgrade. I've always thought if Pinkston wouldnt have performed as poorly as he did in that game and the team wins and goes to the SB, Owens never wears an Eagles jersey.
he was better than greg lewis but not as good as say kevin curtis...what im saying is he shouldnt be lumped in with guys like matt mccoy who should have never even been in the league to begin with and i think thats what we were doing...naming complete train wrecks under andy...
i am by no means defending pinky i just think the uproar over todd pinkston was much worse than todd pinkston...i mean after time it almost became a fable that was handed down generation to generation with new stuff added to it to the point it just became outrageous
Pinkston tried to throw snowballs at Santa, but his frail noodle arms just couldn't get him the distance he needed.
Quote from: rjs246 on March 19, 2009, 11:59:29 AM
Mikell has had one solid year as a pro. One. Let's not go jerking each others' dicks around just yet.
thanks for telling me now
I heard that Todd Pinkston threw car batteries at Santa and raped Mike Schmidt.
with his wig and groucho marx sunglasses on
Quote from: rjs246 on March 19, 2009, 12:12:41 PM
I heard that Todd Pinkston threw car batteries at Santa and raped Mike Schmidt.
Can you blame him? Schmidt threw him out trying to reach first base so many times, he was bound to snap.
In an attempt to get this thread back on track: farg you Andy Reid.
hes fat and hes stupid
Because subtlety is lost on you idiots, re-read this with the font size and color changed.
Quote from: FastFreddie on March 19, 2009, 11:19:51 AM
Indeed, but it should be noted that there are plenty of no-talent black guys too:
Todd Pinkston
Tony Hunt
Michael Lewis*
*included purely to annoy
may have worked if you didnt include pinkston
Pinkston was forced on us in a ridiculous way. He was a #2/#3 receiver thrust into a playmaker role.
Mikell has one solid year under his belt and did it his first year starting. i would say he's got a bright future ahead of him as long as our D-line stays solid and our CB's.
i dont know how much a future he has left at all...hell be 30 next year...id also like to see how he does without his security blanket in dawk...and not just from an on the field standpoint...but as a mentor and leader
holy crap he's 30 already?!
Quote from: FastFreddie on March 19, 2009, 11:19:51 AM
Indeed, but it should be noted that there are plenty of no-talent black guys too:
Todd Pinkston
Tony Hunt
Michael Lewis*
*included purely to annoy
Ryan Moats
Billy McMullen
30 already? Any doubt that regardless of how he plays for the remainder of his contract, he'll get lowballed and leave town??? Also, with regard to IGs security blanket comment, if at 30 he needs that, he shouldn't be playing professional football.
I knew getting to the NFCCG was going to make them delusional again.
They're no more delusional than they ever were.
Quote from: PPinDC on March 19, 2009, 07:16:06 PM
30 already? Any doubt that regardless of how he plays for the remainder of his contract, he'll get lowballed and leave town??? Also, with regard to IGs security blanket comment, if at 30 he needs that, he shouldn't be playing professional football.
dont underestimate leadership in the nfl....ray lewis has led many a player to perform way above their capabiltiies...dawk cut from the same jib
Leadership can't make you bigger or stronger. Ray Lewis couldn't make Simoneau a HOF player.
A post to Spadaro about the Reid interview:
QuoteWhy didn't you ask him how someone with [a 33-30-1] record [the last four years], combined with a miracle to get them into the playoffs, could have confidence this is a Super Bowl contending team? Especially after they've done very little to improve.
I don't blame you. It's your job and how you feed your family.
I just can't stand the way Reid, Banner, and Lurie act like they've won a Super Bowl and that they do everything right.
Either they're so arrogant they don't care about the feelings of their paying customers or they really are clueless. Somehow I don't think a billionaire is clueless.
His response:
QuoteWhat makes you think [the Eagles] are arrogant? Because they don't do what YOU want all the time?
yup....no arrogance. None.
forget the specific questions and answers...the interview itself was one big arrogance convention....
his first interview on dawkins is an interview on the eagles website with spadaro a month after it happens...how sickening is that
I just enjoy the fact that the dude outlines exactly why they are arrogant (barely over .500 but making no moves) and Spadaro snaps back asking why he thinks they're arrogant. Spads must die.
I'm a bit surprised the national media hasnt taken this and run w it. It's abomanable the way this thing was handled, and its continuing to get worse.
Angelo made a great point this morning - Can any of you name the webmaster for the Phillies? Sixers? Flyers? Of course not. Why is Spadaro such a public face in Philly? He is essentially a PR guy interviewing his own employer - he'll never ask tough questions, the questions will always be looked over before they are asked and even after all that, Reid and the other dopes are able to then say "hey, we addressed the media".
I'm sick over this. It's bad enough that Dawk won't be here this year, but to handle it like this? I pay a lot of money for my tickets. I bleed Eagle green. We all do. We deserve better than this.
The NFL sites aren't run by one entity like the other three sports are. That's why you never hear about their web admins...
Nevertheless, you get the point. If the initial point wasn't strong enough, his next arguement was that Spuds is better known then Bob Ford, Frank or any other reporter out of Philly covering the Birds. The main point that he was getting across is that the Eagles have FAR too much power and control over everything.
Quote from: Die-Hard on March 20, 2009, 11:29:23 AM
I'm a bit surprised the national media hasnt taken this and run w it. It's abomanable the way this thing was handled, and its continuing to get worse.
Angelo made a great point this morning - Can any of you name the webmaster for the Phillies? Sixers? Flyers? Of course not. Why is Spadaro such a public face in Philly? He is essentially a PR guy interviewing his own employer - he'll never ask tough questions, the questions will always be looked over before they are asked and even after all that, Reid and the other dopes are able to then say "hey, we addressed the media".
i was cracking up at angelo this morning when he said the interview looked like it was taped in a cave on the afghan pakistan border
Quote from: BigEd76 on March 20, 2009, 11:34:12 AM
The NFL sites aren't run by one entity like the other three sports are. That's why you never hear about their web admins...
no one in dc knows the skins webmaster...hell bubba is ten times more popular than whoever he is...i hear spadaros name all the time on PFT and other websites when they report eagle news...hell spadaro is in the philly newspapers all the time...
i wont pretend to know how in your face every nfl teams webmaster is (for example do other teams have their version of spadaro asking questions at post game news conferences...maybe they do?) but ive never once seen the name of the skins or giants webmasters when reading the new york or dc papers
Spadaro's more well known than anyone on other sites because he's put a lot more effort into site content with the "Eagles Live" shows, the daily columns, SMS messages, answering forum questions (even if he isn't providing anything) and pretty much new content every day (and he's passed some of the crap onto McPherson or else he'd go completely insane), and he's more well known in Philly than the newspaper writers because he does the FOX29 pregame show, occasional CSN appearances and weekly calls into WIP every Monday during the season. (The newspaper guys aren't exactly camera friendly either.) You might have a different view of things from outside the area, but I don't recall Spadaro being a common name in Philly Inquirer or Daily News articles unless there's an editorial attacking him, and the only time he shows up on Rotoworld or KFFL or whatever is if something appears on PE.com before Philly.com has it (like the Sean Jones signing), so I wouldn't say that he's a national name or anything. He's also never denied that he's an Eagles employee first and not a fan or an independent writer, so you're never going to see anti-Eagle rants or hard-hitting questions. He is what he is, we read and listen, and we do what we want with it...
I don't read his shtein or listen to his shtein unless one of you clowns post it here. So cut it out.
definitely a ton of the blame goes to the philly media for giving him a platform...he should never ever be seen or heard outside of the website...i know its impossible not to but really that reid interview should have never been shown on tv or run in any newspapers other than to slam it
i hate them for it but i have to give the eagles all the credit in the world for getting spadaro to be taken seriously by so many people
Mickey Spagnola from the Cowboys website is all over the TV and radio in Dallas. That is the only one I know of.
The Giants PR guy, I forget his name...Pat Hanlon maybe? He's always all over their website and radio.
hanlon and spadaros postions are totally different...hanlons equivalent with the eagles would be derek boyko
Reid never gives a straight answer, and when he's given a tough question he gets pissy and walks off or does his little 'come on'. So him and Spadaro huddle together and put these supposed 'tough' questions together. Reid addresses the issues he thinks the fans wants to know, he knows Spadaro won't cross the line, plus he knows the questions so he can be careful with his wording. That being said I think aside from what Ed wrote that Spadaro gets so much press because Reid doesn't grant interviews or give information out. So Spadaro goes out there and and speaks for the organization so Reid/Banner/Heckert can be left alone.
QuoteTra Thomas recently said that maybe you needed to have more of a personal relationship with players, or communicate better with players, that the approach was too business-like. What is your reaction to that?
"I am who I am. I do what I do. We've had a little bit of success here. Can I get better at what I do? I'm always going to strive to get better, just like I mention with the players. But I can't change personalities, because players read through that and they're going to think you are putting on a show. Am I up for suggestions? I'm always up for suggestions. To get better, I'm always up for suggestions. I really respect Tra, too. Tra has been with us here for a long time and helped us win a lot of football games, so I respect the things he says and look at them. But to change, it's hard to change as a person. That's a tough thing to do, and still have players respect you as a whole and the things we've done here."
QuoteTra Thomas recently said that maybe you needed to have more of a personal relationship with players, or communicate better with players, that the approach was too business-like. What is your reaction to that?
"I am who I am. I do what I do. We've had a little bit of success here. Can I get better at what I do? I'm always going to strive to get better, just like I mention with the players. But I can't change personalities, because players read through that and they're going to think you are putting on a show. Am I up for suggestions? I'm always up for suggestions. To get better, I'm always up for suggestions. I really respect Tra, too. Tra has been with us here for a long time and helped us win a lot of football games, so I respect the things he says and look at them. But to change, it's hard to change as a person. That's a tough thing to do, and still have players respect you as a whole and the things we've done here."
And obviously, that's good enough. Asshats.
Reid needs to go and so does Banner.
In other news, you all suck for discussing this again and again. So please stop it.
Or you can stop reading. I am teh smrt.
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We've had a little bit of success here.
while this statement is true and they as dh said have not accomplished enough its the smart assed arrogant and smug way he says it that jumps out at you
its comments like this that makes you always wonder how they cant understand why people dont like them....yet they keep doing it
why cant he say "i am who i am and while its not enough until we win a title it has served me fairly well in this league for a long time"
is that to difficult?
QuoteTra Thomas recently said that maybe you needed to have more of a personal relationship with players, or communicate better with players, that the approach was too business-like. What is your reaction to that?
"I am who I am. I do what I do. We've had a little bit of success here. Can I get better at what I do? I'm always going to strive to get better, just like I mention with the players. But I can't change personalities, because players read through that and they're going to think you are putting on a show. Am I up for suggestions? I'm always up for suggestions. To get better, I'm always up for suggestions. I really respect Tra, too. Tra has been with us here for a long time and helped us win a lot of football games, so I respect the things he says and look at them. But to change, it's hard to change as a person. That's a tough thing to do, and still have players respect you as a whole and the things we've done here."
Success = Reid. Basic translation, "because of who I am and the relationship I have with my players, we have had some success."
That is the core of it. It's why no player is brought in to be a superstar, because it overshadows the guys who pull the strings.
"You get uppity (bigger contract demands, talking to the media, etc), you get gone. We run the show. We are the winners. You are tools to help us achieve that."
The fact that he uses that thinking when talking about his former pro-bowl staple at OT -
who had been his player for his entire tenure - discarding Thomas' thoughts and advice, means Thomas, and for that matter probably Dawk, mean absolutely nothing to the man. farg all that bullshtein that gets spewed about how he loves his lineman, and all that trash.
The entire FO is rotten, and if this team wins a Super Bowl with them in charge, it will be in spite of them, not the other way around. It makes me genuinely sad that the team I've grown up with has become this way.
If you want it to change, stop putting money in their pockets. That simple.
that wont stop them from being douches...you are who you are...that will just cause them to spend less money
Quote from: General_Failure on March 20, 2009, 02:04:05 PM
If you want it to change, stop putting money in their pockets. That simple.
That's just retarded - there's a list of people (mind you, a number of which no one seems to know) who will pick up my tickets quicker than the Eagles would draft an undersized LB.
there is a long line of dumbasses who will pay to see these guys, so i might as well be the dumbass that does it.
Even dumbasses can understand that they're eating shtein if they roll it around in their mouths long enough.
anyone that says give up your tickets doesnt have tickets
Give up your tickets.
give up your face!
Its not like he paid money for that face.
labia scroat taint thomas malthus
And that's why I hated dealing with tax returns from people with Spanish names.
Less filling/tastes great debates are more stimulating than a Reid bitchfest.
Here's hoping all of you who continue this get bitten by AIDS-infected chimps at the Zoo.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e6/Thomas_Malthus.jpg)
Yo, would all a youse stop breedin', please?
I used to be of the mindset that if anyone wanted to give up their tickets, I'd be one of the first in line to buy them. But now, even though I would still love to have tickets, I wouldn't be able to justify spending that kind of money on such a luxury now.
what do you mean by 'that kind of money'...they are dirt cheap in the big scheme of things...because the season is only 8 games i cant think of an entertainment value that gives more bang for the buck than nfl tickets
all day food, drink and football for around $90? it's not terrible
QuoteAndy Reid talks McNabb, Westbrook, Dawkins
DANA POINT, Calif. -- Eagles coach Andy Reid taled to reporters this morning at the NFL owners meetings.
Here are some excerpts of his interview session:
On the benching of Donovan McNabb last season against Baltimore: "Donovan is the type of person who carries the world on his back. At times people around him expect him to carry the world on his back. That's too much for a person to do. We were leading the league in drops at the time. Our offensive line wasn't playing very well. Our defense wasn't playing very well. And to be honest, I wasn't coaching very well. It wasn't all him."
On what would have happened if Kevin Kolb had played well against Baltimore: "Donovan McNabb was going to be my quarterback the next week. I've been around him too much. I know what he can do."
On state of his team right now: "This is one thing I know. I can sit here right now and put a championship-caliber football team [on the field]. We need to add depth, but if you said line up today, we would be very competitive with anybody."
On left tackle: "We've got a couple of guys who can play and be very good at it. We'll see what happens. I think I've got those guys here [meaning left tackle possibilities], but I am always looking for more."
On the possiblity of Jon Runyan returning: "We'll just see how that goes. Not saying year or nay."
On the offensive line as a whole: "I know I've got enough guys to line up there right now and have a good offensive line."
On Todd Herremans: "I thought Todd should have been in the Pro Bowl last year. That is the kind of football I feel that he played."
On Jamal Jackson: "I thought he did a good job in the passing game. He has to do some things better in the run game."
On drafting a running back: "We're keeping our eyes open. I'd like to have two or three running backs."
On whether Westbrook can still be a carry the load running back: "He can be your primary ballcarrier but you need to supplement somebody else."
On Brian Dawkins: "Brian to me always will be a Philadelphia Eagle. Brian should be able to walk into our offices any time, even if we're playing them that week. He left a special legacy with this team."
On the Eagles' handling of Dawkins departure: "There a certain ways you can do it [meaning players leaving]. You can release players like Marvin Harrison with the Colts or you can try to get something done [re-signing]. That is part of the business of this business, and it's been part of the business forever."
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On Brian Dawkins: "Brian to me always will be a Philadelphia Eagle.
cept this year
QuoteJohn Harbaugh, the Baltimore Ravens coach who spent nine seasons with Eagles coach Andy Reid, was asked yesterday whether he thought his former boss was stubborn.
"It's not stubborn if you're right," Harbaugh said. "That's being convicted. I think he really listens a lot. To me, the perception that he doesn't listen to anybody is completely incorrect. Andy listens to his coaches, listens to his scouts, and I think Tom [Heckert] has a ton of impact.
"The coaches didn't make decisions, but he always listened to their input. If you didn't want a returner or a corner, I don't think Andy was going to take him if the coaches didn't want him."
I think I'm finally happy for John. It took a while, I know.
I'm glad you know, because I've apparently been remiss in been keeping up with your feelings regarding Harbaugh.
Less filling/tastes great!
I'm glad Heckert has Reid's ear. I was worried that the accountants weren't being given their fair say regarding the team.
QuoteAt times people around him expect him to carry the world on his back.
People = Fatass.
At times = 8 1/2 out of 10 years.
QuoteOn the Wildcat formation: "We're not going to feature the Wildcat. I'll be curious to see what people do with it. I thought Miami had a pretty extensive package and I'm curious to see if they continue to expand that. What normally happens is if the colleges are doing one thing and that's where the quarterbacks are coming from, it seems to me a pretty high percentage of the college teams are going to the spread offense. That's what you're bringing into the NFL and somewhere you have to explore that. We're going to let Gruden explore that during his sabbatical ... and see how it fits into the NFL game."
Is Chucky doing independent research or is he a consultant now?
Im guessing that was one of reids awesome sarcasm pokes at him because hes analyst now and they are buddies
dont kill yourself looking it up eddy
if anyone really really hates themselves andy reid will be on with eskin in the next hour
Andy said he couldn't sign Dawkins because it would have put the team in a bad place financially (potentially) and then they might not have had enough money for Stacy, Peters, and Leonard Weaver.
Yep, upping Dawkins contract would have prevented them from giving Weaver $1 million. Nice. :-D
Damn, I didn't know Dawkins wanted $40 million!
No, more like eleventy-billion.
Jesus...he and Banner need to never talk again.
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on April 29, 2009, 05:15:58 PM
Andy said he couldn't sign Dawkins because it would have put the team in a bad place financially (potentially) and then they might not have had enough money for Stacy, Peters, and Leonard Weaver.
Yep, upping Dawkins contract would have prevented them from giving Weaver $1 million. Nice. :-D
For real?
God. :-D
you know, when it comes to a player who has helped make that franchise A LOT of money over the last 13 years, the very farging least you can do is be upfront and honest about why you let him walk.
"we offered brian a contract based on what we feel he is currently worth to the organization based on his age, production and durability. denver offered more. we could afford to match or even exceed denver's offer but that isn't in our business plan."
you know what, i would absolutely HATE that answer but i can at least respect it for being honest. not only do i hate the answer that reid gave, but it's pure and total bull as well. farg him.
it also just occured to me that next year just might be an uncapped year, which means that they quite literally could have broken dawk off with like 10mil this year and it wouldn't impact future finances at all.
and speaking of uncapped years, has anyone heard on any progress being made with new cba negotions? i really hope they get done because an uncapped year would not be good for the eagles. they're having a hard enough time staying with the jones's as it is with everyone on a level playing field. remove the cap even for 1 year and i promise you that the eagles are in the bottom 10 for total payroll.
It's not even the cap they care about at this point. It's actual outlay of cash. They were offering Dawkins a contract with about $2m guaranteed. Denver gave him $9m guaranteed (or something like that).
Lurie's portfolio is down 40%. He's practically begging for alms on the streets.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on April 29, 2009, 06:20:30 PM
and speaking of uncapped years, has anyone heard on any progress being made with new cba negotions?
From the interview they did on day 1 of the draft on NFLN, it isn't going very far. They have plans to talk in a couple weeks. Woo.
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on April 29, 2009, 05:15:58 PM
Andy said he couldn't sign Dawkins because it would have put the team in a bad place financially (potentially) and then they might not have had enough money for Stacy, Peters, and Leonard Weaver.
Yep, upping Dawkins contract would have prevented them from giving Weaver $1 million. Nice. :-D
And this fits in with Banner saying they had more money under the cap than they could spend, how exactly?
Quite perfectly, is cheap-ass Eagleworld. They can never spend all the money if they stop signing players.
Quote from: General_Failure on April 29, 2009, 07:39:50 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on April 29, 2009, 06:20:30 PM
and speaking of uncapped years, has anyone heard on any progress being made with new cba negotions?
From the interview they did on day 1 of the draft on NFLN, it isn't going very far. They have plans to talk in a couple weeks. Woo.
The new president of the NFLPA has a Bubba lip.
Eskin/Reid
Part 1 (http://podcast.610wip.com/wip/1717531.mp3)
Part 2 (http://podcast.610wip.com/wip/1717546.mp3)
Part 3 (http://podcast.610wip.com/wip/1717658.mp3)
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on April 29, 2009, 05:15:58 PM
Andy said he couldn't sign Dawkins because it would have put the team in a bad place financially (potentially) and then they might not have had enough money for Stacy, Peters, and Leonard Weaver.
Yep, upping Dawkins contract would have prevented them from giving Weaver $1 million. Nice. :-D
wait a second so which is it....andy above or banner below
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"We couldn't possibly spend all of our cap space."
these people are so full it its amazing...how stupid do they think the fans are
right now today even after peters andrews and weaver they are over 30 mil under the cap
and dawkins got 7.2 guaranteed over five years....which is a pittance in todays nfl and more than managable...even if hes the worst safety in the league next year hes worth signing to avoid the PR hit and for his leadership
like sarge said just be honest...you still would have made the wrong decision and still would look cheap but you at least wouldnt look like lying douches
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“We couldn’t possibly spend all of our cap space.”
It's comments like that which lead to people like me thinking the Eagles will never, ever win a Superbowl.
win at all COSTS son!
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 29, 2009, 04:30:23 PM
if anyone really really hates themselves andy reid will be on with eskin in the next hour
Eskin actually tripped Reid up for a second asking him about the Giants swap in round 3 (moving from 86 back to 92). Reid did say initially he wanted Cook (TE, SC) but later when he realized his error (telling the truth!) he said he wanted another player (unmentioned of course but who happened to not be there when he picked at 92!) :-D :-D Taking Cook at 86 would have made this an A+ draft IMO but dropped it to B - B+ with Giants trade bungle. Howard helped Reid out last night but still got the truth out. Either great reporting or luck :paranoid
Well, if they really wanted Cook, wouldn't they have just taken Cook? I'm guessing he was at the top of their board, but not way above anyone else. Then, they made a calculated decision to trade out a few spots, and the Titans grabbed Cook, causing the Eagles to then trade out of the 3rd completely.
If you play games trading down to target someone, you're going to get burned. We'll never know how badly the Eagles really wanted Cook. We will, however, see how good Ramses Barden, Cook, and Cornelius Ingram are in a few years. So, that will be fun.
Remember that the skins traded Trent Cole for James Thrash, and the Dolphins traded Reggie Brown for A.J. Feeley? Neat! I can't wait to check down the line to see how Rich Ohrnberger compares to Ellis Hobbs!
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 30, 2009, 12:43:09 PM
Well, if they really wanted Cook, wouldn't they have just taken Cook? I'm guessing he was at the top of their board, but not way above anyone else. Then, they made a calculated decision to trade out a few spots, and the Titans grabbed Cook, causing the Eagles to then trade out of the 3rd completely.
If you play games trading down to target someone, you're going to get burned. We'll never know how badly the Eagles really wanted Cook. We will, however, see how good Ramses Barden, Cook, and Cornelius Ingram are in a few years. So, that will be fun.
Remember that the skins traded Trent Cole for James Thrash, and the Dolphins traded Reggie Brown for A.J. Feeley? Neat! I can't wait to check down the line to see how Rich Ohrnberger compares to Ellis Hobbs!
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Exactly. Andy was soo confident in his draft skill (in reading other teams needs) that he thought he'd have Cook at 92 anyway and get an extra pick. He never thought the Titans would move up. Ye old shlick miester farged himself while helping a division rival. Andy does so many things right but just can't stop showing off and having brain farts :boom
GOLD STANDARD :boom
So I'm in the barber shop yesterday getting a fresh, FRESH fade, and in comes a tall, muscular kid and one of the barbers there gets up, walks over to him and is like "Hey!! Congrats, man..." and all that. So they asked him "Where did he go?" and he answers, "Tennessee Titans, 3rd round".
It hit me that it was Jared Cook.
He was a cool kid, seemed humble and anxious about heading up to Nashville today and he talked about getting the call from Jeff Fisher and from other teams (including the Eagles) and all that. Cool perspective on the draft.
You all care.
Quote from: EagleFeva on April 30, 2009, 01:16:20 PM
So I'm in the barber shop yesterday getting a fresh, FRESH fade,
(http://www.dlisted.com/files/christopherkidplay1.jpg)
It may seem uncool, and it probably is because he's a Mets fan. But he's black, so it might just be hip. More analysis needed.
Was this steaming pile of hot garbage posted yet?
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/20090430_Phil_Sheridan__Eagles_building_for_Kolb_era.html
A big steaming pile of truth, you mean.
The only part that isn't true is that I don't believe for a second that Reid has faith in Kolb being the franchise QB anymore. The team is always building for the future at the expense of going all out to win now, but it has nothing to do with Kevin Kolb.
Kolb's franchise-ness might just depend on how little the Eagles can give up to get a great prospect in the first round, or how much Kolb wants in his next contract. If his deal is cheap, and a 4th rounder won't cut it to move into the top ten, Kolb will be the guy.
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 30, 2009, 03:16:42 PM
The only part that isn't true is that I don't believe for a second that Reid has faith in Kolb being the franchise QB anymore.
I wish I could believe that too, but Reids stubborn propensity to try to prove his draft picks are good makes me think otherwise.
nm
Well, regardless, I think he's gonna ride Donovan until he's dead at this point.
(If I were speaking literally, Donovan would already be dead!)
hot garbage meaning the fact that Kolb is the QB after this year.
Well then, yeah, it's hot garbage. Donovan is still relatively young for a QB. If he were one-dimensional as a running QB, he would be ancient, but he has a great arm and will be starting somewhere for 4-5 more years. I hope it's here, because it gives the team the best chance to win in that time frame.
Unless they can trade for Cutler. Oh, wait.
Yes, that was a joke, nimrods. I never wanted that diabetic interception machine.
That Cutler quip better be a joke, nimrod! He's a diabetic interception machine.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on April 30, 2009, 03:00:59 PM
Was this steaming pile of hot garbage posted yet?
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/20090430_Phil_Sheridan__Eagles_building_for_Kolb_era.html
I think Kolb has to show something this year..at least in preseason. Andy wants him to be the starter but he has shown nothing so far. Kolb may just be the Na Brown of quarterbacks
he has the best hands on the team?
it is going to be so interesting to see what happens to an andy reid team when he doesnt have the security blanket of having one of the better qb's in the league
will he be able to develop another one?
if he cant will he be able to win by having an advantage at other spots on the field?
will he call the game different?
ect...
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 30, 2009, 05:00:59 PM
will he call the game different?
we already know the answer to that question. yes. history has shown that when mcnabb is not on the field, the offense is not only more balanced but more fluid as well. it may lack the explosiveness of a mcnabb led offense, but a mcnabb-less offense usually results in play calling that is more appropriate to the talent level and type of players out on the field.
see 2002 when aj feely started the last few games of the season.
see 2005 with garcia
even when other qb's like pederson, mcmahon or blake were on the field there was a dramatic difference in the offensive play calling.
i don't know why, but when anyone but mcnabb is under center, reid's football iq seems to go up. a lot.
Everything you just said was subjective pish posh.
i love it when people disagree but fail to provide their own input. farging tool.
Quote from: jihadist monk on April 30, 2009, 05:59:46 PM
Everything you just said was subjective pish posh.
We'll just use Jeff Garcia to illustrate Sarge's point,
First game in against Tennessee after McNabb got hurt (total game stats, including McNabb):
Pass Plays: 61
Rushes: 30
Total: 91
Pass %: 66
This is probably attributable to Andy Reid being incapable of adjusting a game plan
IND
Pass Plays: 29
Rushes: 25
Total: 54
Pass %: 54
CAR
Pass Plays: 39
Rushes: 27
Total: 66
Pass %: 59
WAS
Pass Plays: 23
Rushes: 22
Total: 45
Pass %: 51
NYG
Pass Plays: 28
Rushes: 30
Total: 58
Pass %: 48
DAL
Pass Plays: 23
Rushes: 42
Total: 65
Pass %: 35
ATL - This was Feeleys game as the playoff berth was locked up
Pass Plays: 36
Rushes: 17
Total: 53
Pass %: 67
WC PO vs NYG
Pass Plays: 31
Rushes: 31
Total: 62
Pass %: 50
DIV PO @ NO
Pass Plays: 30
Rushes: 20
Total: 50
Pass %: 60
Even though Reid will always be pass first, he scales it back with a signal caller other than McNabb
Andy on the WIP morning show today
Part 1 (http://podcast.610wip.com/wip/1738308.mp3)
Part 2 (http://podcast.610wip.com/wip/1738305.mp3)
He agrees with Fisher that AZ didn't really want to trade them for anything less than a blockbuster deal, alluding to the Roy Williams trade with a 1st, 3rd, and 5th. According to Trent Dilfer on NFL Live, giving up those draft picks and having to pay him $10 million a year is ridiculous in Today's Economy.
I'm still disappointed the Eagles didn't pull the trigger to get Boldin in Philly.
lol, today's economy
Yes sir, "today's economy" provides eggzelent cover for many churlish business practices...
Reid also said his salary demands were high. "We could have another 2 or 3 players on the squad for that amount of money" As stupid as that is, at least he didn't attribute it to the economy.
reid also quite slyly somehow connected the roy williams trade to boldin and then made it literal by saying lets say wed give up a 1 3 and 5 for boldin...thats three players that could have made out team...blah blah blah
Apparently the ultimate goal is to have as many people as possible on the team. It's all making sense now.
that way you can say how good your team is when you have to cut so many draft picks
Don't make fun of their drafts. Peter King told me to be a fan of them because of their drafts, stupid.
All this is well and good but the truth is Boldin's not worth a 1, 3 & 5 plus 10 million a year. I don't know if there's a receiver in the NFL who is worth that especially to the Eagles whose true #1 receiver is also their #1 running back.
Quote from: Rome on May 14, 2009, 12:31:08 PM
All this is well and good but the truth is Boldin's not worth a 1, 3 & 5 plus 10 million a year. I don't know if there's a receiver in the NFL who is worth that especially to the Eagles whose true #1 receiver is also their #1 running back.
i don't disagree
I sort of do, but that's just because my first instinct is to argue with everyone over everything. So farg off.
i agree with that
Quote from: Rome on May 14, 2009, 12:31:08 PM
All this is well and good but the truth is Boldin's not worth a 1, 3 & 5 plus 10 million a year. I don't know if there's a receiver in the NFL who is worth that especially to the Eagles whose true #1 receiver is also their #1 running back.
I disagree. The money doesn't matter to me and shouldn't matter to the team either. I understand the argument about giving up that many draft picks, but I would have liked to see it happen anyway. When the Eagles had a legitimate receiver, Westbrook was not the #1
they didnt make a third round pick this year so for the sake of argument ill use bryan smith from last year
would you rather have mack smith and ingram*** or boldin?
its basically a known commodity now and go for it all vs take your chances on the future
i personally would rather put the petal to the metal but i can see the other side
*** - this should all come with the qualification that boldin would most certainly have come cheaper than a 1 3 and 5
Quote from: Rome on May 14, 2009, 12:31:08 PM
All this is well and good but the truth is Boldin's not worth a 1, 3 & 5 plus 10 million a year. I don't know if there's a receiver in the NFL who is worth that especially to the Eagles whose true #1 receiver is also their #1 running back.
He is. Ignoring the fifth round pick because its a joke, Boldin is worth a first and third. At lesat, he should be to an offense that needs a really good receiver to function properly. As for the money, sure. If you're going to throw wads of cash at a guy coming off a horrible year because he might be good again, why not throw some at a receiver who has only had one bad year (statistically, anyway). And that bad year is still better than a good year by the receivers you already have.
you also have to factor in your qb who basically has been the reason youve been better than most teams for the better part of a decade is nearing the end...so even if mack does turn into a good wr is it guaranteed that cobb will be a good qb...i mean if you wanna take a chance on all those things becoming a perfect storm in a few years thats fine....but we already know what mcnabb and boldin are and what they could bring this time in 2009...which is a superbowl
Superbowl is not the goal. More, cheaper players on the roster is the goal, as previously discussed.
To be fair, the odds are good that they'd still find a way to lose in the playoffs/SB, but at least you know it wouldn't be to Arizona.
Quote from: rjs246 on May 14, 2009, 01:19:17 PM
Superbowl is not the goal. More, cheaper players on the roster is the goal, as previously discussed.
Gocong introduced Jim Johnson to Starcraft while he was all doped up, and will try to include the Zerg rush defense this year.
Quote from: Rome on May 14, 2009, 12:31:08 PM
All this is well and good but the truth is Boldin's not worth a 1, 3 & 5 plus 10 million a year. I don't know if there's a receiver in the NFL who is worth that especially to the Eagles whose true #1 receiver is also their #1 running back.
A Super Bowl title is though... and you can't dispute that Boldin being an Eagle would've made their chances a lot better.
Like IGY said, you weigh Mack/*whoever*/Ingram or Boldin? Personally, I'm on board with the Boldin side.
Boldin would likely have been an even better option than TO in '04 because the surrounding WR's are so much better than they were then.
I honestly couldn't give 2 shteins about having to pay him $10 mil a year. It's not my money. I say give him $20 mil a year if it gets this team a SB.
I'm not upset about what they ended up with instead... because I think it's a pretty good backup plan. But that's exactly what I think Mack and the others are... a backup plan. Don't forget the fact that they didn't even expect to have a shot at drafting Mack so according to that logic... they were going to go ahead with Pimp and Curtis again at the top of the WR corps.
I'm not disputing the fact that Boldin would have made them better. Of course he would have under normal circumstances.
Take a moment and consider what is "normal" though.
1. A head coach who actually runs it enough to take the pressure off the QB and receivers. Do the Eagles have that? NOPE.
2. A head coach who wants a #1 receiver on the field to make the defense pay attention to him thereby freeing up other weapons on the field. Do the Eagles have that? NOPE.
3. A head coach, a team president, and a general manager who wouldn't think twice about spending the sort of money Boldin is looking for PLUS having to give up draft picks by the fist full to get him. Do the Eagles have any of those things? NOPE. NOPE. & NOPE.
Again - I'm not disputing that Boldin would have been a great pickup for most teams. Hell, he's a great player. But when you analyze how much he's asking for, how many picks it would take to get him, then factor in how the Eagles run their organization - any sane and rational person would come to the same conclusion - there's no way this team goes after him. No way, no how.
And one other thing... if someone told me that a receiver was the missing piece of the puzzle on this team between them winning a Super Bowl or not, I'd say look at the game they lost against the Cardinals last year and tell me they lost because of the receivers. They didn't. They lost because the defense couldn't stop Arizona from marching straight down the field after they scored to take the lead.
Yup, and even the decried "average-to-mediocre" receivers they had during the game were often astonishingly wide-open and missed.
Quote from: Rome on May 14, 2009, 04:50:43 PM
And one other thing... if someone told me that a receiver was the missing piece of the puzzle on this team between them winning a Super Bowl or not, I'd say look at the game they lost against the Cardinals last year and tell me they lost because of the receivers. They didn't. They lost because the defense couldn't stop Arizona from marching straight down the field after they scored to take the lead.
They lost because their #1 receiver can't get away from a defender and can't draw a flag.
it just amazes me that people blame the defense for that game....the offense had the ball last and didnt score...and it wasnt because arizonas defense was good
if the eagles had went down and scored then with two minutes left kurt warner came back and drove the cardinals all the way down the field to win the game i could see putting it on the defense....but it was a back and forth game with both defenses and both offenses playing bad and good at times....then when it mattered most the eagles offense couldnt get it done....why is the defense blamed on the drive BEFORE THAT but the offense doesnt get the ultimate blame for the drive that really mattered most
pittsburghs defense which was way better than the eagles couldnt stop kurt warner in that same situation...the guys a hall of famer for a reason (btw so probably is larry fitzgerald)
blame the qb if you want....blame a lack of a #1 wide out who makes plays in those situations...blame a combo of both but i dont see how ultimately that game isnt on the offense
it's on the whole team...i don't know how you don't lay any blame on the defense
they held the ball for 8+ minutes. ran it down their throats. get off the farging field you POS chokers.
in a high scoring back and forth game the defenses almost always get passes...its a whoever has the ball last usually wins thing...cept when the eagles have the ball last
quarterbacks always get more of the blame and credit as they shoudl as they are probably the most important position in all of sports
the offenses >>>> the defenses in that game and the best offense won
i dont expect trent cole juqua thomas chris gocong mike patterson quinton demps and joselio hanson to stop kurt warner anquan boldin and larry fitzgerald
i do/should expect a supposedly great qb to drive down the field on the friggin arizona cardinals to win a game
I love you, IGs...
Quote from: EagleFeva on May 15, 2009, 10:34:08 AM
I love you, IGs...
in that case.....i have one more question
if youre an arizona cardinal fan who do you say won that game for you
kurt warner and the offense or your defense for that final stand
Donovan McNabb
Both.
Warner and the Offense for getting out to a 24-3 lead/conducting an 8 min drive to retake the lead with a TD/2pt conversion and the D for holding to close the game.
What? Do you credit the defense?
That 8min drive by ARZ was the deal-breaker.
Their offense came out hot with the short routes and quick passes to negate the blitzing and pressure. The Eagles chipped away and the defense turned it up. After the Eagles took the lead on the bomb to Pimp, the defense HAS to make a stop there. The Cardinals, a team who isn't a running team, ran the ball to keep the chains moving. Letting Hightower pick up that first down when he had to bounce it outside on 4th down was bad. So was letting Edge pick up chunks of yards.
It's on both the offense and defense; offense for stinking the joint up early and defense for withering away late. But ultimately it goes on the defense because when your offense gets you a lead late in the game, you have to hold it. That is what championship teams do.
Oh, and farg Kevin Curtis for falling down like a bitch.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 15, 2009, 11:17:35 AM
when your offense gets you a lead late in the game, you have to hold it. That is what championship teams do.
like the steelers defense did in the superbowl?
Quote from: EagleFeva on May 15, 2009, 10:45:16 AM
Both.
Warner and the Offense for getting out to a 24-3 lead/conducting an 8 min drive to retake the lead with a TD/2pt conversion and the D for holding to close the game.
What? Do you credit the defense?
i dont credit the cardinal defense for anything
each team had the ball in the last five minutes to score and win the game...fair odds id say...one team did the other didnt....end of game...to me the cardinal offense won the game....like warner fitz and company expect to
had the eagle offense gotten the ball back driven down and scored to win the game i wouldnt have blamed the cardinal d i would have said fantastic drive by the eagles
I blame all the 50,000 cards "fans" that still hadn't removed the refletive stickers from their new gear thus blinding the eagles players which resulted in missed tackles, dropped passes and innacurate throws.
lol at not placing any blame on the defense. they got steamrolled in the crunch just like they always do. that's what happens when you have 290 pound defensive tackles, 255 pound defensive ends and linebackers who should be starring in dance reality shows instead of playing in the nfl.
sorry. they gagged it away during the last drive and got steamrolled by the likes of kurt frigging warner during the entire first half.
epic fail all around.
thats all true but the cardinals defense was just as bad if not worse than the eagles and the birds offense did nothing against them on the last drive
Quote from: Sgt PSN on May 15, 2009, 01:52:40 PM
I blame all the 50,000 cards "fans" that still hadn't removed the refletive stickers from their new gear thus blinding the eagles players which resulted in missed tackles, dropped passes and innacurate throws.
:-D how true. It was like a James Bond movie with all those beams being shot down from outer space.
QuoteEagles Coach Andy Reid's Son Graduates From Drug Court
Posted by Aaron Wilson on June 4, 2009, 2:10 p.m.
While his older brother is serving two years in a state program for drug treatment, the outlook is much more promising for Britt Reid, the son of Philadelphia Eagles coach Andy Reid.
Britt Reid graduated from a 15-month drug court program today, according to the Associated Press.
Per the report, Andy Reid and his wife were in court today for the graduation with the coach calling it a "big step."
Britt Reid, who was arrested in 2007 on drug and weapons charges as police discovered cocaine and marijuana in his car, is attending community college and coaching high school football.
Reid's older son, Garrett Reid, was shifted to state prison last month after recently testing positive for drugs.
Queue Pomp and Circumstance
QuoteDue to the way the media outlets have reported Stewart Bradley's knee injury, head coach Andy Reid declined to discuss any injuries following Monday afternoon's practice. Reid told the reporters that when he was first hired in 1999 he would disclose any injury news.
"Some of your colleagues here decided that they would go to the players and/or other personnel here and ask about injuries," Reid said. "I made a pact with you guys when I first got here that I would disclose to you the injuries, just stay away from the players. Stay away from other personnel in the organization and I'd take care of you. That was breached."
anger!
If that's the case then I can't say I blame him at all.
douchebag.
the press know damn well that the walrus ain't gonna tell them a damn thing, so of course they chase the story elsewhere.
exactly....like the media is going to make an unwritten rule that they wont seek information from anywhere but the head coach of a team...and on top of that this agreement is going to be made with some no name rookie head coach...its a joke
basically reid told the media this is how its gonna be and the media of course didnt listen....who the hell does he think he is
(http://josephstalinfans.com/files/2008/12/joseph-stalin2.jpg)
They've been playing the news conference on 950 for the past hour, breaking it down and such. You have to hear the entire thing to believe it.
how can you not know about the pact? he's been so forthcoming with information in press conferences up until this point
how fat and stupid is he?
Quote from: King Cole on August 03, 2009, 06:22:02 PM
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Health care talk goes in the other thread
Ray Didinger ripped Reid a new one today....
QuoteDidinger: Handling of Bradley Injury 'Unprofessional'
By Ray Didinger
CSNPhilly.com
BETHLEHEM, Pa. – I don't have a cell phone. I don't have a BlackBerry, nor do I Twitter. I guess that's how I missed the memo.
I didn't realize that coming to the Eagles' training camp meant I was working for Andy Reid. I thought I was here as a reporter. Silly me. Well, that's OK. Andy set me straight after Monday's practice.
We're expected to take orders from him – all of us in the media. We're supposed to do what we're told. If we don't, there will be consequences. Reid made that very clear.
The Eagles coach was livid because several reporters actually did some reporting without his permission. They tried to find out what happened to middle linebacker Stewart Bradley in Sunday's Flight Night practice at Lincoln Financial Field. That, Reid said, is a violation of the rules.
Gee, I thought it was just a couple of reporters doing their job. I'm so out of touch.
According to Reid, a pact was breached. Funny, but I don't recall signing a pact with the Eagles. I guess I'd better look into this before I violate some rule and the coach has me pushing a blocking sled down the field like poor George Hegemin. I mean, that has to be next, doesn't it?
Football coaches are all about control, I understand that. And the Eagles are all about controlling the message. I get that, too. But Reid's handling of the Bradley injury was outrageous. It was more than arrogant, it was unprofessional.
By now you know the details. Bradley, the Eagles starting middle linebacker, left the field early in Sunday's practice and headed to the locker room. It was reported he would undergo an MRI on Monday. That's what is called a "big story."
Several reporters placed calls to Bradley's cell phone to learn what was going on. By the time the Eagles went on the practice field at Lehigh, the news had leaked out that Bradley suffered a torn ACL and was likely lost for the season. That's what is called a really big story.
The media gathered in the interview tent after practice, waiting for Reid to address the situation. The coach who typically begins every press conference by saying, "Injuries..." this time said, "We won't talk about injuries today..."
Huh? Why?
"Some of your colleagues here decided that they would go to the players and/or other personnel here and ask about injuries," Reid said, beginning his lecture. "I made a pact with you guys when I first got here that I would disclose to you the injuries, that you just stay away from the players, stay away from the other personnel in the organization and I would take care of you with that.
"That part was breached, so we'll get on with the Flight Night part of things..."
With that, Reid began talking about what a great night it was, yada, yada, while the reporters looked at each other in disbelief. Did the coach really intend to not address Bradley's injury? Would he clarify Bradley's status at all?
"He did not practice today," Reid said.
Thanks, Coach, but we already knew that. We did watch practice and there was no No. 55. Could you tell us a little more? Like, what did the MRI show? Are the reports about the ACL tear accurate?
Reid would not elaborate. He was going to teach us all a lesson. He gave us a good rap across the knuckles.
Asked when he might disclose more information regarding injuries, he said: "When I decide that people can abide by the rules."
Andy's rules are these: He is the only person in the organization who is allowed to talk about injuries. On the rare occasion, they will bring the trainer Rick Burkholder into the auditorium at Nova Care to address, say, a Brian Westbrook surgery, but most of the time all that information comes from Reid. The doctors aren't allowed to talk, even the injured player is ordered not to talk.
So when a few reporters tried to reach Bradley directly, Reid considered it a breach. No, Andy – they were doing their jobs. When the starting middle linebacker is hurt, reporters have a responsibility to find out what's going on. They have a pact with their employers and their readers, not you.
Reid must think he's proving a point, but it is hard to see just what it is. He won't talk about a major injury and he won't let anyone else talk about it. If there's not a league rule against that kind of stonewalling, there certainly should be.
We've seen this behavior before. Remember when the Eagles introduced the newly signed Stacy Andrews on the same day that Brian Dawkins signed with Denver? Reid opened the press conference by announcing it was "Stacy's day" and they would not be taking questions on any other matter. In other words, they didn't want to talk about the greatest safety in franchise history leaving the nest.
When a reporter actually did summon up the courage to ask about Dawkins, Reid glared and said: "Why would you ask that?"
Because he had to, that's why. Because the fans want to know, that's why. Because talking about it is the right thing to do, that's why.
But the Eagles insist on doing things their way and too often they're just wrong.
r diddy who rarely goes at anyone just ripped andy pretty good on wip
said its one thing to be arrogant and professional but what andy did was be arrogant and unprofessional and said he thinks he could be fined by the league for witholding the information
al morganti made a great point as well...saying that the eagles are completely delusional about the press since they plant eagle employees like spadaro and others from the website at news conferences and allow them to ask questions that they have blurred the line btwn what the press is and what it isnt....that they are totally baffled and cant understand when the people in the media dont do or dont ask what the team would like them to...and thats why andy completely lost it
Reid yelled at the two ball boys on the sideline during Saturdays practice for looking at the crowd and not watching the field. It's not like they were late getting a ball in or something, they were just minding their own business and looking around. I don't even know if they get paid or it's just a fun thing for them to do but it was hilarious to see him take time out of practice to yell at two teenage kids. It was right after the fight and during a rough stretch for the offense so I'm sure he was frustrated but taking it out on the ball boys is just sad.
More reason to can this delusional fat ass. Death why did you have to take JJ, Reid should of been the one to go.
Tick tock.
Most of those ballboys are related to people who work for the team. I think Morningwood's kids were pulling ballboy duty a few years ago.
Reid runs a strict camp...thats why the fans who are on the sidelines can't take pics, drink water from bottles or anything like that.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 04, 2009, 08:11:59 PM
Most of those ballboys are related to people who work for the team. I think Morningwood's kids were pulling ballboy duty a few years ago.
Reid runs a strict camp...thats why the fans who are on the sidelines can't take pics, drink water from bottles or anything like that.
What the farg?
He's Mormon. Only caffeine free Pepsi is allowed.
i dont know how strict reids camp is...taterskins dont even allow fans on the sidelines...for that matter they dont allow fans even half as close to the field as youre at lehigh
Hell, think about those stalkers they have on ES...now imagine them on the sidelines next to Zorn telling him how ZORNY he makes them.
rjs,
No cameras, no cellphones, no water (or any beverage) bottles, no squatting down...you have to be standing and inside the boxes sprayed on the field at all times.
The reasoning is that a year or two ibto Reid's tenure some fans left empty bottles rolling around on the sidelines and a player stepped on one and busted his ass. So Andy banned them to save ankles.
farg Andy Reid. Hard.
Andy is really mean.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on August 04, 2009, 09:34:11 AM
Reid yelled at the two ball boys on the sideline during Saturdays practice for looking at the crowd and not watching the field. It's not like they were late getting a ball in or something, they were just minding their own business and looking around. I don't even know if they get paid or it's just a fun thing for them to do but it was hilarious to see him take time out of practice to yell at two teenage kids. It was right after the fight and during a rough stretch for the offense so I'm sure he was frustrated but taking it out on the ball boys is just sad.
Those kids didn't honor the pact, the circle is now fractured.
Tomorrow Reid will have the janitor fire the kids.
I went to a camp in Jacksonville once. Coughlin forbade the assistant coaches from wearing sunglasses because it didn't look "neat".
Evidently tough corneas were a prerequisite for coaching ability under Coughlin.
And by the way...dude in a wheelchair had passes to the VIP section of training camp. No cripples other than the dead d-coordinator, evidently.
R Diddy - reminding us why he is a hall of famer.
solid points by PFT
QuoteAndy Reid gets upset at the wrong people
Posted by Mike Florio on August 4, 2009 9:39 PM ET
We missed something on Monday, but it still merits a quick mention.
Eagles coach Andy Reid wasn't happy that the media found out that linebacker Stewart Bradley tore his ACL during a Sunday night scrimmage by communicating with someone other than Eagles coach Andy Reid.
So Eagles coach Andy Reid decided to project a little condescending pissiness during his Monday press conference.
"We won't talk about injuries today," Reid said. "Some of your colleagues here decided that they would go to the players and/or other personnel here and ask about injuries. I made a pact with you guys when I first got here that I would disclose to you the injuries that you just stay away from the players, stay away from other personnel in the organization and I would take care of you with that. That part was breached."
Yikes. A guy loses 75 pounds, and all of a sudden he's a diva.
In all fairness, teams are required to disclose no information in the preseason regarding player injuries. And maybe Reid was upset that the report of a torn ACL became public before they could snooker another team for a trade or a free agent for a minimum-salary contract.
Still, Reid shouldn't be pissed at the reporters for doing their jobs. He should be pissed at the in-house people who blabbed about Bradley's injury.
you know reid is way off base when even eskin takes him to task....i wonder hoe this will effect howards vip connection to banner inc...hes either going to be farther out of the loop or hes going to ratchet up his homerism even more to make sure he isnt casted away
I think the media is in farg off mode because of this and is going to come at him even harder now...which I hope they do
Its bad enough he gives you squat to write about as a reporter, but then lash out at you to boot? Done.
http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/d..._the_NFLs.html
QuoteAndy Reid, his media rules, and the NFL's
If a tree falls in the woods and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?
If a middle linebacker shreds his anterior cruciate ligament in a scrimmage and the head coach refuses to confirm reports that it's torn, did he really tear it?
The first question always has been too deep for me. The answer to the second one is, of course he tore it, no matter how much Andy Reid and his new defensive coordinator, Sean McDermott, wish it weren't so.
Reid childishly refused to discuss Stewart Bradley's injury Monday afternoon because he claims reporters breached a "pact" he made with the media when he first was hired by the Eagles in 1999. The deal: You don't ask players and other club personnel about injuries and I'll shoot straight with you about those injuries.
A couple of things about that "pact": For starters, as it's been pointed out by a number of my colleagues, the media isn't employed by the Eagles. While he can order his players not to discuss injuries with the media, he can't order the media not to ask about them.
More importantly, though, even if Reid thought there was a "pact," he broke it a long time ago.
God knows how much money Joe Conklin has made off Reid's habit of starting his news conferences with, "OK, injuries." It's always good for a laugh, but the truth is, early on, Reid's injury updates actually were pretty informative.
At least compared to other coaches in the league.
This time of year, if a New England Patriots player gets hurt in training camp, the Boston media are lucky if Bill Belichick acknowledges the body part that was injured. A couple of years ago, cornerback Ellis Hobbs had wrist surgery on a Tuesday and was listed as "probable" by Belichick on the Thursday injury report.
As for Reid, he used to be fairly thorough and honest about the severity of player injuries. Put time and effort into his injury updates. But at some point, he started to get sloppy with them. Much like the rest of the portions of his news conferences, he started to put less and less effort into his injury updates, apparently deciding that the less he told reporters the better. In many cases, he fibbed.
Last year, when tight end L.J. Smith reinjured his surgically repaired sports hernia, Reid tried to tell us it was "a different area" of the groin and unrelated to the original sports hernia. Yeah, and I've got some oceanfront property in Kansas you might be interested in.
Once upon a time, Reid made sure the Eagles' media relations department released information on every offseason player surgery. But when Brian Westbrook had surgery on his injured knee in February, not a peep from the NovaCare Complex. Westbrook's agent eventually acknowleged a procedure.
When wide receiver Kevin Curtis had to have a second surgical procedure to repair his sports hernia in April, Reid said the surgery was to "finish" the orginal repair. Huh? C'mon, big guy. I'm not a doctor, but I've stayed at a Holiday Inn Express a few times.
When I talked to Curtis at training camp last week, he made it clear that the only reason he needed the second surgery on his groin was because he came back too soon from the first operation and aggravated the injury. When offseason rest didn't do any good, another surgery was the only option.
Bottom line: Reid's word on injuries these days isn't very reliable. Plus, in this instant-information electronic age where Michael Jackson's death was reported about two seconds after his heart stopped, did Reid really think he could sit on a season-ending knee injury to one of his star players for several hours? Is he really that out of touch with the way things work in today's world?
Oh yeah, another thing. The same guy that was chiding the media Monday about not "abiding by the rules," apparently doesn't think he has to do the same.
Since he became the Eagles' head coach, Reid has allowed very limited access to his position coaches. If you wanted to talk to one of them, you had to go through the media relations department, and if, if, Reid green-lighted the request, the questions could only be about the coach. Nothing about the team. Nothing about the players at the position he coached.
In other words, if I were interviewing offensive line coach Juan Castillo, I could ask him about his son Gregory, who is a cornerback at Iowa, or his son John, who is a distance runner at North Carolina State. But I couldn't ask him about any of his linemen.
Well, a few months ago, NFL commissioner Roger Goodell made some significant changes to the league's media-access policy. He essentially told coaches they no longer could prevent reporters from talking to position coaches.
The Eagles have made only the offensive, defensive and special teams coordinators available on a regular basis.
The new policy states, "primary position coaches must be available on a reasonable basis during training camp and throughout the season through the team public relations department. Clubs may not put assistant coaches off limits to the media and may not unreasonably withhold permission for primary position coaches ... to speak to the media."
So, last week, I went to Eagles media relations director Derek Boyko and put in a request to talk to Castillo about his remodeled offensive line. Boyko told me he would run it by Reid. Reid told Boyko that HE would talk to me about the offensive line, not Castillo. When I asked whether Reid was denying my request to speak to Castillo, Boyko said, "No, he just said he would rather discuss it."
Now, Reid has had plenty to say about his offensive line, none of it all that informative. Which is why I wanted to talk to Castillo, who is egarded as one of the best offensive line coaches in the league. I wanted to talk to him about the challenge facing his new left tackle getting used to the nuances of a new quarterback. I wanted to talk to him about Shawn Andrews' move from right guard to right tackle. I wanted to talk to him about how long he thinks it will take his line to gel.
The NFL says Castillo, who has been an Eagles assistant since 1995 and has been Reid's offensive line coach since he arrived in Philadelphia, can talk to the media about these things. The rules in the league's media access policy say so. But Reid apparently has decided he doesn't have to abide by those rules. Yet, he somehow thinks we should abide by his rules.
Not gonna happen.
That Reid needs to go isn't exactly news. But what is news is that he's now actively dismissing the media. He used to ignore them or condescend to them, but this is different.
And it's farged up too.
Reid should be as strict with his douchbag sons as he is with reporters and practice. I dare say that if I had been one of those ball boys Reid would have had the NFL emblem imprinted on his face.
Whoa, you dare say! You're a pretty tough guy aren't you.
Reid's sons would have slit his throat in his sleep.
and then shorebird would have shtein in it
Quote from: Diomedes on August 06, 2009, 07:49:46 AM
Whoa, you dare say! You're a pretty tough guy aren't you.
Is that a question or were you so farged up at seven in the morning that you forgot to end that sentence with a question mark?
National Football Post: Worst Game Managers (http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Tavern-talk-Worst-game-managers.html)
Quote4. Andy Reid: I can't understand how a coach as smart as Reid, who has won as many games as he has in Philadelphia (107, including playoffs) can manage games with such a carefree attitude. His overtime tie in Cincinnati is legendary in terms of game management. He often had Jim Johnson to bail him out, but now, unfortunately Jim isn't there, so this might be worth watching.
before I even got to the bottom of that article I was sure Brad Childress was top 2 and he never made it. Some of the shtein he pulled last season was beyond outrageous
then I read the responses at the end and everyone was calling for him as well. Childress did learn best from #4
Quote from: QB Eagles on August 07, 2009, 07:25:15 PM
National Football Post: Worst Game Managers (http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Tavern-talk-Worst-game-managers.html)
Quote4. Andy Reid: I can't understand how a coach as smart as Reid, who has won as many games as he has in Philadelphia (107, including playoffs) can manage games with such a carefree attitude. His overtime tie in Cincinnati is legendary in terms of game management. He often had Jim Johnson to bail him out, but now, unfortunately Jim isn't there, so this might be worth watching.
lombardis site has been my favorite for the last three years...its really super stuff...this could be the best thing ive ever seen written by a non fan....weve all wondered how such a brain dead in game coach could be as successful in terms of wins and losses as reid as been.....but the national media has been suckling at reids taint for the better part of a decade now...this is a good thing to see
Quote from: reese125 on August 07, 2009, 10:07:06 PM
before I even got to the bottom of that article I was sure Brad Childress was top 2 and he never made it. Some of the shtein he pulled last season was beyond outrageous
then I read the responses at the end and everyone was calling for him as well. Childress did learn best from #4
??? Childress was #3, #2 among head coaches.
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 07, 2009, 11:48:40 PM
Quote from: QB Eagles on August 07, 2009, 07:25:15 PM
National Football Post: Worst Game Managers (http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Tavern-talk-Worst-game-managers.html)
Quote4. Andy Reid: I can't understand how a coach as smart as Reid, who has won as many games as he has in Philadelphia (107, including playoffs) can manage games with such a carefree attitude. His overtime tie in Cincinnati is legendary in terms of game management. He often had Jim Johnson to bail him out, but now, unfortunately Jim isn't there, so this might be worth watching.
lombardis site has been my favorite for the last three years...its really super stuff...this could be the best thing ive ever seen written by a non fan....weve all wondered how such a brain dead in game coach could be as successful in terms of wins and losses as reid as been.....but the national media has been suckling at reids taint for the better part of a decade now...this is a good thing to see
I can't believe how the media hangs from Reid's ass like dingleberries. I think if he'd have come from anywere else other than Green Bay and didn't have the Farve connection, he'd be getting crucified for games like the Cincinnati one.
If he didn't have McNabb and Westrook and JJ's D, he'd be lucky to have 50 wins and would not be enjoying the benefit of any doubt from any quarter.
all true, great to see
Schefter says a long-term extension will be signed this week
i will now light myself on fire
this is just a pure example of where the FO's head is. they don't care about a championship. they just care about money and a playoff appearance to make it seem like they are doing the right thing. i don't need anymore smoke up my ass, thanks. :boom
yeah, it's the dick up the ass you can't get enough of
lil' lube would be nice
Quote from: Diomedes on December 06, 2009, 12:56:20 PM
yeah, it's the dick up the ass you can't get enough of
:-D :-D
3 more years. :boo
anyone surprised it's only 3 years? i figured it'd be 5 or 6 minimum.
its a three year extension which means he has four years left as coach...i thought hed end up being around another 4-5 years
::)
One year is a year too many. Faced it, he's never gonna' go, even when he stops coaching I'd bet he will be in the FO running everything.
Quote from: mussa on December 06, 2009, 03:05:38 PM
lil' lube would be nice
The "lube" is the recent win-streak. FO loves its timing and now was it.
Meh.
Quote from: JackStraw on December 09, 2009, 11:54:28 AM
Quote from: mussa on December 06, 2009, 03:05:38 PM
lil' lube would be nice
The "lube" is the recent win-streak. FO loves its timing and now was it.
Meh.
the timing isnt so much
after the win streak but
before they go to ny and come back to earth
sickening.
i dont whether to root for 4 more nfc championship game losses for sheer comedy or for them to crash and burn so he goes. i mean, theyre obviously not gonna a super bowl with this fat loser so we might as well have some fun.
other than already being resigned to the fact that this was inevitable the reason i am not overly upset with this is because andy will have several years with a different qb which seems legitimate to me and should be fascinating
a) he wins a superbowl with cobb because kevin is not donovan
b) cobb sucks and he goes down in flames with him
c) status quo lives - cobb is a good qb who with andys horrible coaching wins a lot of games and no titles and andy leaves trophyless in 2013
either way andy is gone in less than five years
i dont know about that. if they remain nfc east champs and make the playoffs most years, i cant see how he doesnt get another extension.
though, its very likely that the kobb thing could blow up in a year or two and take fat ass right down with him.
As depressing a story as I've ever heard during all my years as a fan.
Quote from: MDS on December 09, 2009, 12:47:25 PM
i dont know about that. if they remain nfc east champs and make the playoffs most years, i cant see how he doesnt get another extension.
though, its very likely that the kobb thing could blow up in a year or two and take fat ass right down with him.
i dont know this but im pretty sure all parties realize this is his last contract in philadelphia
since i know you know no one to tell you inside info, this is based off of your instincts
it might be right, but i just dont see a stubborn egomaniac like andy quitting to go do tv or go back to utah to work on a farm.
he owns a home in LA...thats where he will go
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 09, 2009, 01:06:17 PM
he owns a home in LA...thats where he will go
Where he will team-up with the NFL to bring a team back to LA. Or groomed for some role in the league. I think the league office really likes Andy and maybe he will cash-in his Vick chits someday with them.
farg
I'm sure there is nothing in the contract that says he can't be fired before that term so the sky isn't falling.
This could be worse..there are at least 20 teams in the league I wouldn't change places with regardless of who was coaching.
the sky will be falling when/if they dont also extend tom heckert who is only signed thru next year...and not because heckert is terrible (hes actually quite competant) but rather because if he is not extended that means howie roseman is the new GM
^ :puke
I understand why they extended Reid doesn't mean I have to like it. There was an excellent article in SI last week about Reid and McNabb. It was wondering if Reid is like Chuck Knox or Marty Schottenheimer. Or is he like Dungy, Cowher, or Coughlin.
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 09, 2009, 05:06:27 PM
the sky will be falling when/if they dont also extend tom heckert who is only signed thru next year...and not because heckert is terrible (hes actually quite competant) but rather because if he is not extended that means howie roseman is the new GM
if the Eagles have some good success (like another nfccg) Heckert may well be gone anyway.
Quote from: MDS on December 09, 2009, 12:47:25 PM
i dont know about that. if they remain nfc east champs and make the playoffs most years, i cant see how he doesnt get another extension.
another extension puts him over 15 years with the eagles. do you really think he'll stay much longer than that? the days of 20+ yr coaches with the same team in the nfl are long gone. i think chuck knoll and tom landry were the last 2 coaches to be with the same team more than 20 consecutive years and it's been nearly 20 years since either of them did that. hell, even between multiple teams, there aren't many guys out there that seem to go much more than 15 consecutive years as head coaches.
holmgren coached 16 straight years between gb and sea.
cowher did 15 yrs in pitt
shanahan did 14 in den
dungy did 13 in tampa/indy
fisher is in his 15th year with the oiltits
so even though reid is around for another 4 years or so, i seriously doubt there will be much more beyond that.
Dan Reeves coached 23 straight years ending in 2003. And he had even less success than Reid.
I wouldn't be shocked if Reid went 20 years. Actually his fat body taking another 10 years of abuse with the heart still going strong would be the most surprising part of that.
Quote from: QB Eagles on December 09, 2009, 08:54:49 PM
Dan Reeves coached 23 straight years ending in 2003. And he had even less success than Reid.
good call. seemed like somewhere along the line he took a break but apparently not.
i just don't think the younger "modern day" coaches really have it in them to coach that long though. at least not in consecutive years. they're paid better but under more stress and scrutiny than ever. they deal with cry baby athletes all day long. they work 18 hours a day 11 months out of the year. i think most coaches these days seem to lose the desire between 10-15 straight years. can't say i blame them either. they've made plenty of bank and there's more than enough network jobs out there for them to stay connected to the game but live at a more relaxed pace.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on December 09, 2009, 08:23:38 PM
Quote from: MDS on December 09, 2009, 12:47:25 PM
i dont know about that. if they remain nfc east champs and make the playoffs most years, i cant see how he doesnt get another extension.
another extension puts him over 15 years with the eagles. do you really think he'll stay much longer than that? the days of 20+ yr coaches with the same team in the nfl are long gone. i think chuck knoll and tom landry were the last 2 coaches to be with the same team more than 20 consecutive years and it's been nearly 20 years since either of them did that. hell, even between multiple teams, there aren't many guys out there that seem to go much more than 15 consecutive years as head coaches.
holmgren coached 16 straight years between gb and sea.
cowher did 15 yrs in pitt
shanahan did 14 in den
dungy did 13 in tampa/indy
fisher is in his 15th year with the oiltits
so even though reid is around for another 4 years or so, i seriously doubt there will be much more beyond that.
Never really considered you extraordinarily optimistic, Sarge.
Think eight wheeled version of a JJ cart, equipped with oxygen tanks, on the sideline.
Quote from: Eagaholic on December 09, 2009, 09:03:50 PM
Think eight wheeled version of a JJ cart, equipped with oxygen tanks, on the sideline.
2 words come to mind. open. flame.
:-D
Merry Christmas to us.
on the one hand... not surprised but farg..
on the other hand.. thank god college basketball is the only sport where "lifetime" contracts exist. doesn't really matter though, i'm sure the rest of his tenure here is going to feel like a lifetime.
anyone care to mention how andy and jeff both went off on how 'outstanding' the eagles organization is? and how they are the best in football? did this slip under the rug? cause I HATE THEM
McNabb probably wrote that line for them.
if he did it would have included some corny joke that only someone who pukes in the 4th qtr of the superbowl finds funny
Quote from: MDS on December 10, 2009, 12:10:11 PM
anyone care to mention how andy and jeff both went off on how 'outstanding' the eagles organization is? and how they are the best in football? did this slip under the rug? cause I HATE THEM
theres no way he wasnt doing that purely to piss people off...it was to brazen even for them
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/20091213_Gonzo___Reid_and_Lurie_s_top-cat_attitude_is_mystifying.html
Although I'm sure he already realizes it, somebody MUST tell Reid he has to go on a diet this off season. And I know the perfect one.
http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/ce3aee3cfa/diet-candy-fail?rel=player
QuoteMore from the hourlong chat with Andy Reid at the NFL owners meetings in Orlando, Fla.:
Do you see Trotter coming back?
Right now, no. but I still think he can play.
Where is Gaither in his rehab?
He's doing pretty good. He's making progress here. He can run.
Will he again back up Bradley at MLB?
He'll compete for the WILL position and back up MIKE. (Joe) Mays came on late in the season. Ended up having a great year as a special teams player. I think he just matured as a football player.
The strongside situation?:
You've got Chris (Gocong) and (Moise) Fokou. We'll see what happens there.
Do you want to be a club president like your buddy Mike Holmgren some day?
I kind of feel like that sitting at this table right now. He's good at that. He'll do a good job.
Surprised nobody has signed Brian Westbrook?:
I hope he does (play again). He mentioned that he wanted to play again. And I think he's still working on things he needs to do.
Surprised that the overtime proposal passed so overwhelmingly?:
No, I really wasn't.
Are you in favor of the change?:
We voted for it.
That wasn't what I asked you. Are you in favor of it?:
No response.
How much longer do you want to coach?:
I enjoy doing it. I guess when you can't come back from summer vacation, that's when you're done. It's when you just can't get out of that La-Z-Boy, then it's time to hang it up. But I haven't felt any of that. I love what I'm doing.
How much does the two defeats to the Cowboys dictate your offseason?:
You kind of know where you have to be. They lost in the playoffs, so you know you have to be even better than that. So that's what we're striving to do. Bring in the best players we can possibly bring in. And then, there's a part of that that's scheme. You've got to coach well and play well and execute well.
Joe Banner said he doesn't see much of a difference between you and the Cowboys. Agree with that?:
It might be more than that. I've got Wade (Phillips) by about four inches in the waist. Listen, we're just trying to put the best football team out on the field that we can.
If you get a really good offer, will you part with at least one of your quarterbacks?
Possibly. Right now, we're going to go back and evaluate the situation. We're entertaining offers.
Leonard Weaver's role next season.....will it continue to grow?:
He could. He's talented in a lot of ways. Obviously you don't pay fullbacks what we're paying him and not give him an opportunity to carry the football. We feel he can do both. He catches the ball well. You can screen to him. Great hands. Great protector. More flexibility than we've had before at that position. The way we worked him in last year. Maybe that increases (this season).
All the change on your roster the last couple of years?:
Iif you're fortunate to stay some place as long as I have here, you're going to go through things like that. It's not an easy thing, but it's gonna happen. You've got to get used to change. It's part of the game. You've got to embrace it as opposed to being afraid of it.
Are you reloading, rebuilding, what?:
We expect to win games. When we bring young guys in, we bring them in with that in mind. We expect them to hold up the tradition that we've built.
Is this team capable of competing for a championship right now?:
It will be when it's all put together. We can go play right now. And compete. I think we have a pretty good football team. But I think we need to add more to it to even solidify that. But we're in a position where we could do it if everybody was healthy. But in the draft, you're going to bring in some guys who are going to have an opportunity to play. That's happened the last few years. Guys have played well for us. I think it will be the same way this year.
Are you focusing on defense in this year's draft right now?:
That's the way it looks. If there's a great offensive player there, I'm not going to pass him up. We're going to trust the board with that.
So you're saying you expect to get one or two guys in this draft who are going to be able to step in as rookies and play?:
I'm comparing it to the last couple of years. Every year we've had a guy or two step in and play. I don't think this will be any different.
Deep draft?:
If you take certain positions, if you take defensive end, maybe in years past, you felt there were a couple defensive ends that were talk quality, this year you might have ten who are going to have an opportunity to play. They might not all be top quality, but there isn't that huge dropoff that there's been in other years. You can get a good player from 24 to 36. Good, solid starter types, where in years past, it might've stopped at 24.
What do you think of the new three-day draft format?:
I'm interested to see how it works. I'd love to have that first pick of the second day. Where you can sleep on it, regather your thoughts, which you normally don't get to do. I don't think (the new format) is a bad thing.
Would you vote for Jon Runyan?:
I would. I want to see the first argument he gets into. I want to see the guy's expression that he's yelling at.
Frustrating to see other coaches who haven't coached nearly as many years win Super Bowls and you're still chasing the brass ring?:
I'm probably like that little kid that's sitting at the pearly gates. The Lord says, let me show you an optimist and a pessimist. Takes him into the first door and there's this kid sitting on this big pile of horse manure, saying, Lord, you told me there was a pony in here somewhere. That's a pessimist. Then they go into the next room and there's horse manure flying everywhere. The little kid in there says, I know there's a pony in here somewhere. I'm kind of that guy. I'm alright with that. I feel very fortunate to have reached this level, and now we're going to take it to another level.
QuoteI'm probably like that little kid that's sitting at the pearly gates. The Lord says, let me show you an optimist and a pessimist. Takes him into the first door and there's this kid sitting on this big pile of horse manure, saying, Lord, you told me there was a pony in here somewhere. That's a pessimist. Then they go into the next room and there's horse manure flying everywhere. The little kid in there says, I know there's a pony in here somewhere. I'm kind of that guy. I'm alright with that. I feel very fortunate to have reached this level, and now we're going to take it to another level.
Die fatman, die.
QuoteIt's when you just can't get out of that La-Z-Boy, then it's time to hang it up.
What the farg are you talking about you fat farg? You haven't been able to get out of one of them unassisted for years, yet here you still are.
i love the hate. :D
Quote from: rjs246 on March 24, 2010, 04:20:18 PM
QuoteI'm probably like that little kid that's sitting at the pearly gates. The Lord says, let me show you an optimist and a pessimist. Takes him into the first door and there's this kid sitting on this big pile of horse manure, saying, Lord, you told me there was a pony in here somewhere. That's a pessimist. Then they go into the next room and there's horse manure flying everywhere. The little kid in there says, I know there's a pony in here somewhere. I'm kind of that guy. I'm alright with that. I feel very fortunate to have reached this level, and now we're going to take it to another level.
Die fatman, die.
You would probably eat the shtein wouldn't you, wouldn't you.....ANSWER ME!!!
Worst story and worst analogy from the most infuriating coach ever.
that story made me want to take a cheese grater to my face.
The 25 Most Painful Losses Of The Andy Reid Era (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/576082-the-25-most-painful-losses-of-the-andy-reid-era#page/1)
I disagree with the order of the top 3 and most of the top 10. To me the Bucs game was the hardest to take, followed by the SB, then the Arizona game, then the Carolina game.
I'm bone-tired of rehashing that shtein. Seriously, who farging cares? They're over and done with. Time to move on and look forward to future disappointments.
seriously...not a shot i look at that, but off the top of my head, my top 5:
1. last game at the vet
2. arizona
3. super bowl
4. carolina
5. stl (because kalu was so farging close to blocking that punt)
edit: I looked. You're an icehole, Mike.
Not going to do it.
yes you will
lol
carolina and the superbowl are a solid 1-2 for me
the new orleans 2006 game is ranked way to low...thats in my top five
matt bryant should also be higher
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 22, 2011, 01:17:41 PM
carolina and the superbowl are a solid 1-2 for me
Carolina over Tampa?
not even close....tampa game i was shocked....carolina game i was beside myself with anger...only time i have ever cried because of a sporting event
the three straight championship game losses that created the unadulterated happiness and joy after the atlanta game created the worst frustration and anger i have ever had in my life after the carolina game
For me it was Tampa and its not even close. That game and the Tom Hutton fumble were the only time I cried for a sporting event.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzhXur0_Sf8
then you dont want to watch this
I totally forgot the whole Ty Detmer over the line of scrimmage. Tommy farging Hutton. I'm still pissed about the pass interference call after Mamula tipped the ball.
False start, #71, Scott Young
Quote from: DH on January 22, 2011, 11:43:13 AM
seriously...not a shot i look at that, but off the top of my head, my top 5:
1. last game at the vet
2. arizona
3. super bowl
4. carolina
5. stl (because kalu was so farging close to blocking that punt)
edit: I looked. You're an icehole, Mike.
I did the same thing. Said to myself there was no way in hell I would look at that. I came back about 15 minutes later and looked. Glutton for farging punishment.
The Tampa Championship game was by far the worst. They couldn't have had a more gift-wrapped opponent to advance to the Super Bowl. The Eagles had EVERYTHING in their favor for that game and blew it. To this day, I haven't seen the end of the Barber interception. Once he got by McNabb, I fell off my couch with my head down and stayed there for a good hour. The image of Warren Sapp stepping off the plane at the SB wearing an Eagles jersey still makes my blood boil... and I see Keyshawn Johnson almost every week and just looking at him throws that game in my mind every time.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 22, 2011, 04:54:28 PM
False start, #71, Scott Young
The false start wasn't the worst of it. It was everything that led up to Scott farging Young being on the field, on offense, with a playoff game against an inferior opponent on the line. farg that shtein still makes me irate.
lets not forget andys ensuing decision to punt on 4th and 10 from his own 30 down by 3 with 2 timeouts
1. Tampa
2. Super Bowl
3. Carolina
Arizona isn't even close because they were going up against Kurt Warner and two all pro WR's, and by that point it had already been ingrained in my head that McNabb/Reid lost these types of games.
They had everything going for them against Tampa, and had they won they would have played the lost Raiders in the Super Bowl. That was THE year. And they blew it.
Why do people think that they would have beat Oakland in the SB that year? The year before the Raiders handled the Eagles convincingly in Philly.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on January 22, 2011, 05:23:54 PM
Why do people think that they would have beat Oakland in the SB that year? The year before the Raiders handled the Eagles convincingly in Philly.
i dont get this either...tampa blew out the raiders cause they were hitting on all cylinders and were the best team in the nfl at that point...surely the eagles could have beaten the raiders but i never understood why everyone always thought it was a lock
Quote from: Sgt PSN on January 22, 2011, 05:23:54 PM
Why do people think that they would have beat Oakland in the SB that year? The year before the Raiders handled the Eagles convincingly in Philly.
The Raiders were a fraud and were exposed in the Superbowl. I'm not saying the Eagles would have blown them out but I think they would have won. The Eagles finally beat the Giants on MNF the week prior to facing the Raiders, so they had the dreaded letdown game and were on a short week, not to mention it was an entire year later.
Quote from: SD on January 22, 2011, 05:31:11 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on January 22, 2011, 05:23:54 PM
Why do people think that they would have beat Oakland in the SB that year? The year before the Raiders handled the Eagles convincingly in Philly.
The Raiders were a fraud and were exposed in the Superbowl. I'm not saying the Eagles would have blown them out but I think they would have won. The Eagles finally beat the Giants on MNF the week prior to facing the Raiders, so they had the dreaded letdown game and were on a short week, not to mention it was an entire year later.
This. The Raiders were far from world beaters and the Eagles were easily a better team that year. The Eagles have lost to plenty of teams below their level so I'm not saying that it was a lock or anything, but I would have been very confident against the Raiders.
^^^^What they said. Plus doesn't everybody remember the mess that they seemed to be in? THe all-pro center disappears without reason before the game and there just seemed to be mass confusion and question marks around the entire organization by the time the game rolled around.
I'm not saying that the Eagles definitely would have lost to Oakland, but I don't think they matched up well against them at all and I don't get why some people (especially the dude who wrote that article) assumes that a SB against the Raiders would have been a lock win.
because it makes the tampa loss worse if you say that
Other than the Jurevicius nut kick, BMitch KOR and Duce scoring, the thing I remember most about that game was after Bobby T picked off Johnson the offense stalled at mid-field. I firmly believe that had they been able to score there they win the ballgame.
the b mitch kick return was the most insane eagle crowd ive ever experienced...even more than the duce run that followed
Well since you firmly believe it, this dream of yours, let me know when I can come along for the ride.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on January 22, 2011, 06:33:30 PM
I'm not saying that the Eagles definitely would have lost to Oakland, but I don't think they matched up well against them at all and I don't get why some people (especially the dude who wrote that article) assumes that a SB against the Raiders would have been a lock win.
The Eagles had a top 5 offense and defense that year if I'm not mistaken. (something like 3 in offense, 2 in defense) They would have gone up against a Raider team that threw the ball all over and didn't run for shtein. How exactly didn't they match up? The only D better than the Eagles then was Tampas, who smashed the Raiders. Again, not saying they def. would have won, but the Eagles were a better team than the Raiders.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 22, 2011, 08:13:58 PM
the b mitch kick return was the most insane eagle crowd ive ever experienced...even more than the duce run that followed
God, I remember that feeling. After that Duce TD, you couldn't have told me shtein! Was all downhill from there, tho...
That was the greatest moment as a birds fan up to that point when BMitch returned that opening kick. I never screamed so loud in my life. Up there with Wilbert's touchdown run against Dallas in 1981. Duce scores two plays later. Win. It's over. Not so fast. Fat boy and his conservative play calling and yakNabb playing like dog shtein still haunts me. I still see Barber returning that pick six in my dreams.
The Carolina game just had a bad feel to it. Westbrook was out, Caldwell was out. Stinkston and Trash living up to what they really were. No call on that late hit against McNabb.
These are all such warm and fuzzy memories. I am gonna go drink now.
lol @ mike caldwell being out giving you a 'bad feel'
looking back on its the insane the free pass mcnabb got for those losses
people blamed blaine bishop more for the tampa loss and pinkston for the carolina one
what was wrong with us
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 23, 2011, 02:35:11 AM
lol @ mike caldwell being out giving you a 'bad feel'
Major blunder, sorry. I told you this subject caused me to drink. I meant Carlos Emmons. Remember he went down in that stupid OT loss to the niners late in the season. The game were McNabb threw the int in OT.
Quote from: MDS on January 23, 2011, 03:28:01 AM
looking back on its the insane the free pass mcnabb got for those losses
people blamed blaine bishop more for the tampa loss and pinkston for the carolina one
what was wrong with us
Your obsession is borderline clinical.
Do they have padded cells down in Brownsville? You're headed to one.
he is the george w. bush of eagles quarterbacks
When this sports writing thing falls apart on you, you've got a fine backup plan in political editorials.
I don't see how McNabb can be blamed for the Carolina loss. The WRs got straight bitch slapped, not to mention McNabb took that cheap shot in the first half.
He can't. MDS is either fishing or retarded.
Todd is the GWB of CF
I think the 2002 and 2004 teams were the best Eagles teams of the Reid era, so those playoff losses hurt the most.
The Bucs game hurt the worst because I still think the Eagles were better than the Bucs and Raiders, and they simply shat the bed. Prior to that game they had owned the Bucs for several years running. The 2004 Pats were legitimately a better team than the Eagles.
100 yards passing and 3 picks. mcdouche gets the gas face.
2004 was probably his biggest playoff failing, followed by 2002
he was the reason why they lost the super bowl. he was horrendous in that game and his goal line interception to harrison in the 1st qtr was maybe the worst pass in eagles history. changed the game.
2008 was more so a moment than the entire the game. it was first the mindset he had that once he threw the td to jackson the game was over. yes the defense came out and coughed up the lead but mcnabb at the point wanted nothing to do with the game anymore. in his mind he had done his part and if they lost it was on the defense, not him.
but that was a microcosm of his and the teams repeated failures over the past 10 years. some guys, like elway, can fail 3000 times but still be as great as they ever were. some guys, like mcnabb, can only fail so much and only receive so much heat and negativity before it begins to crumble their insides. 3 straight nfc title losses, a super bowl loss, the TO drama, the team doing better with garcia than him...all of that added up to him taking heat for the first time in his life and he obviously couldnt even remotely begin to handle it.
(insert igy's didn't read icon here)
You didn't miss much but he's dead on about Donnie.
Equally shocking that you agree with him. :P
It's shocking that I think McNabb was cooked and choked away a half dozen shots at the Super Bowl?
Sure. Because it was his fault they choked away those games.
Are you high?
Yes. More McNabb talk. I dunno who is worse....the people who keep trashing him or the ones who defend him. He's gone. Move on.
Nope.
But the anti-McNabb contingent seems to grow even more ridiculous since he left. Pretty soon he will be the reason they lost every game.
Ultra critical and quite unfair, IMO.
I agree it was time to move on and they were better to do it last year rather than wait but people act like the guy was awful and a total bum.
I'm not anti-McNabb as much as I an pro-making you defend that gagging motherfarger.
It's high comedy, bro.
lol
Thats good...at least you're not close to joining Todd in the loony bin.
McNabb's playoff stats are better than I remembered but still bad. Of course, his splits for the conference championships are lol-worthy:
1-4
56.9% completions
6 TD/6 INT
72.2 QB rating
NOT HIS FAULT!
Don't be a clown and use just the numbers.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 23, 2011, 07:58:49 PM
lol
Thats good...at least you're not close to joining Todd in the loony bin.
for me its a combo of both. but i cant lie i despise donovan to the core of his corny bones
though you are on record of saying that you wanted to give him and extension after the dallas abortions and you have to admit how off base that was
I do admit that it was time for him to go.
However, I dont think I would be so readily able to push him out and accept it had we seen Kolb all year.
so youre not yet willing to admit hes washed up and has been for a couple of years
I think he was saying he agrees NOW that it was time to move on.
Like you fargtards should. Jesus.
he does now..is that enough for you?
I don't know. I think we could squeeze out another ten pages or so on this.
Quote from: Rome on January 24, 2011, 07:25:00 AM
I think he was saying he agrees NOW that it was time to move on.
you mean after mcnabb proved to be even worse than everyone had been saying for years j is on board with him moving on?
brilliant!
Don't pat yourself on the back too hard.
What I am saying is that the emergence of Vick helped ease the departure. Had Kolb played the entire year I may not be as accepting. I probably would still believe that McNabb is better on this team now that Kolb.
ANDY REID IS THE GREATEST EAGLES COACH IN ANY OF OUR LIFETIMES> HE IS A TOP % COACH IN THE NFL RIGHT NOW!
Wost manneans, FF. Wost manneans.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 24, 2011, 08:25:21 AM
Don't pat yourself on the back too hard.
What I am saying is that the emergence of Vick helped ease the departure. Had Kolb played the entire year I may not be as accepting. I probably would still believe that McNabb is better on this team now that Kolb.
caleb hanie is a better option that mcnabb right now
please just say "you guys were right, hes washed up" and we can just move on with our lives
QuoteIdiot
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What or who is Wost Manneans?
Todd herremans
???
Get a job and stop posting so much, LW.
It's hilarious that people are trying to point to McNabb's effort with the taterskins now when he is something like 33 years old, on one of the worst teams in the nfl, as evidence he wasn't as good as people thought he was when he was 27 and with the Eagles.
Bravo. The mental gymnastics you must have to go through to reach that conclusion must be impressive.
Quote from: mpmcgraw on January 24, 2011, 02:15:10 PM
It's hilarious that people are trying to point to McNabb's effort with the taterskins now when he is something like 33 years old, on one of the worst teams in the nfl, as evidence he wasn't as good as people thought he was when he was 27 and with the Eagles.
Bravo. The mental gymnastics you must have to go through to reach that conclusion must be impressive.
When you see many of the issues fans had with the offense flat out disappear this season and reappear on the taterskins, it's a pretty logical conclusion to make.
also i have been saying it for at least five years
lol @ thinking everyone waited until he went to the skins to express their reservations about the bedwetter
Actually I can remember specific instances where you said Reid wouldn't look as good without having a top QB like McNabb for all those years. I don't care enough to look for it so if someone else wants to by all means, but you are full of shtein.
you are full of shtein, i don't want to prove it, but it's true
talk about brilliant
Quote from: mpmcgraw on January 24, 2011, 02:33:05 PM
Actually I can remember specific instances where you said Reid wouldn't look as good without having a top QB like McNabb for all those years. I don't care enough to look for it so if someone else wants to by all means, but you are full of shtein.
you dont need to look it up...what i said was andy padded his win stats by having the best qb in a terrible nfc east
so if you ask me again today if donovan was better than kerry collins patrick ramsey and quincy carter i will still say yes
also no one thinks donovan is bad, even when he was 27
mostly everyone now thinks hes washed up and some of us sort of despise him and are enjoying his career blow easy post-getting run out of town mocking style
also you cannot deny that andy, donovan and everyone involved were aided by the fact that for a large part of the 2000s the nfc east and nfc as a whole were terrible
Listen I'm just pointing out logical fallacies here. We are going to find out if McNabb has anything left next year because as far as I'm concerned how you play on the taterskins of all teams means nothing.
Saying "McNabb wasn't good after he left the Eagles, therefore he was never very good at an Eagle" is the worst logic I have ever seen or heard in mylife.
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You talkin loud but you ain't sayin nothin.
You are just still sore because I said you're not really an independent.
Quote from: mpmcgraw on January 24, 2011, 02:58:04 PM
Saying "McNabb wasn't good after he left the Eagles, therefore he was never very good at an Eagle"
who said this?
for starters
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 24, 2011, 07:58:06 AM
Quote from: Rome on January 24, 2011, 07:25:00 AM
I think he was saying he agrees NOW that it was time to move on.
you mean after mcnabb proved to be even worse than everyone had been saying for years j is on board with him moving on?
brilliant!
thats pretty much the exact opposite actually.
where did i say he was NEVER good as an eagle....much less use this season with the skins to prove that...i was calling for him to be gone well before last season
we were talking about the crowd who thought he should have been traded last year vs the crowd who thought he shouldnt have
ive said for years he has serious personality and on the field characteristics that prevent him from ever being the qb that a lot of people said he was.......and pretty much all of those issues were on full display this year with the skins
in fact if i felt like looking id find you and numerous others on this board mocking me with the "intestinal fortitude" line from several years ago
sounds like someone should stick to vorp
Quote from: mpmcgraw on January 24, 2011, 02:58:04 PM
Saying "McNabb wasn't good after he left the Eagles, therefore he was never very good at an Eagle" is the worst logic I have ever seen or heard in mylife.
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No, you are leaving out a key fact. When in Philly, McNabb was playing for the best QB coach EVER.
wow....bob ford came deisel today
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/20110209_Bob_Ford__Playing_their_own_game__Eagles_get_defensive.html
That was awesome.
The comments after that piece are just mind boggling. They're ripping FORD and defending Lurie/Banner/Reid. WTF is wrong with people?
seems like spadaro got the TATErs out in force.
This is great! :yay
Basically called them arrogant liars. This is news how exactly?
I know it's fun when they get called out for their nonsense but we do that every day here. Call me crazy but to me it's less a revelation than it is yet another opportunity for the media to jerk itself off again.
the news is that it wasnt said on concrete or wip but in the newpaper by a guy that is normally a reid apologist....the fervor with which he wrote it was also a great thing
Bob Ford's transitioning from seasoned to salty.
His previous ass smooching makes it all the more irrelevant and disingenuous.
Again, we do it every day here. It's not news at all. It's sound & fury signifying nothing.
a reid apologist blasting him in the paper is not just news but great news...certainly not on the level of when eskin turned on the bed wetter but still sweet to read
So you like Karl Rove when he's criticizing Sarah Palin? The rest of the time he's scum?
Quote from: Diomedes on February 09, 2011, 12:56:36 PM
So you like Karl Rove when he's criticizing Sarah Palin? The rest of the time he's scum?
i hate karl rove and love when he rips palin
bob ford i dont care about either way but i hate when he blindly defends reid and love reading him when he kills him
so you like it when people agree with your opinions
Quote from: MDS on February 09, 2011, 01:01:26 PM
so you like it when people agree with your opinions
haters always gonna swarm...its the nature of the beast...gotta just keep striving
Uh-huh, just checking.
I don't like either of them even if they happen to say something not stupid or evil once in a while.
Some douchebag (http://www.footballnation.com/content/philadelphia-eagles-all-reid-team/15234/?print=1) put together a 53 man "All Reid" team. The essay contains blurbs on players, but if you want to skip that, here's their roster (minimun two years on an AR Eagles team required for consideration)
53 Man "All-Reid" era roster:
QB: McNabb, Vick, Koy
RB: Westbrook, McCoy, Staley, Mitchell
FB: Martin
WR: Jackson, Owens, Maclin, Curtis, Brown
TE: Celek, Lewis, Smith
LT Thomas
LG Herremans
C Jackson
RG Mayberry
RT Runyan
Backup OL: Peters, Welbourn, Fraley, Andrews
K Akers
P Landeta
LS Bartrum
DE: Cole, Douglas, Kearse, Babin, Parker, Howard
DT: Simon, Walker, Patterson, Thomas
MLB Trotter, Bradley
OLB Emmons, Caldwell, Jones, Reese
CB Vincent, Samuel, Taylor, Shepard, Brown
S Dawkins, Lewis, Mikell, Moore
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I pretty much agree, but I'd keep He Flag Me as a sixth CB and drop Moore. If a safety were needed, Brown could fill in.
Which Brown is he talking about at WR? Reggie or Na? Either way, I'd take Avant over both of them. So add Avant and Harris in place of Brown and Moore and its good.
I'd probably have Taylor over Assante on the depth chart too. Not as many ints but better overall coverage IMO. Tackling is a wash between the 2.
chad lewis over celek
sheldon over asante
Celek is making a case to be better than Lewis....Vick just has to find him more.
Hell, he's definitely gotta be better in YAC....he's a bull, Lewis was always doing the stop drop and roll fire drill..
those linebackers make me want to throw up outside of emmons and trotter
Quote from: SunMo on July 10, 2012, 01:11:15 PM
those linebackers make me want to throw up outside of emmons and trotter
You could probably add Shawn Barber over Jones. I'd keep Reese.
Quote from: SunMo on July 10, 2012, 01:11:15 PM
those linebackers make me want to throw up outside of emmons and trotter
lol pretty much.
I'd keep Ike and I agree with taking He Flag Me over Damon Moore or Asante
what about....THE BULLET!?
Eat it after seeing those linebackers.
Quote from: SunMo on July 10, 2012, 01:11:15 PM
those linebackers make me want to throw up outside of emmons and trotter
Word. When you're hanging your hat on Mike farging Caldwell... you don't have shtein at LB.
Also, skimming through it at first, I saw the backup OL before the starters and I almost called BS that Peters would be considered a backup, but then it hit me that's because of Tra... which makes sense.
The other thing is that healthy Andrews is starting over Mayberry every day. If you're going on talent alone, no way is he a backup.
If you're going on talent alone, Vick doesn't sit behind McNabb, Asante doesn't get left off for Sheldon, and Blaine Bishop gets a mention.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on July 10, 2012, 02:20:03 PM
Quote from: SunMo on July 10, 2012, 01:11:15 PM
those linebackers make me want to throw up outside of emmons and trotter
You could probably add Shawn Barber over Jones. I'd keep Reese.
No doubt Barber belongs on there
Speaking of Barber, Sarge, where's that t-shirt?
Quote from: SunMo on July 10, 2012, 02:29:51 PM
what about....THE BULLET!?
He's probably still trying to find his contacts.