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Lito Sheppard became available to the highest bidder once the Eagles signed Asante Samuel to a $57.14 million, six-year contract on the first day of the NFL free agency in March.
Sheppard isn't happy with his contract—he's signed through 2011—and the Eagles don't have much patience with players who want new deals. Terrell Owens didn't quite get his way when he started grumbling in 2005. Sheppard hasn't expressed his unhappiness publicly or as loudly as T.O. did, but it's likely he'll be gone before next weekend's draft ends.
For now, the Eagles are waiting for the best offer.
"You don't see many 27-year-old Pro Bowl players who there is even a possibility of acquiring," team president Joe Banner said Tuesday. "If you look at the history of player trades, you'll see a very short list of players that age, that caliber of player, that kind of character.
"There is significant interest, but the reason there is interest is because he's a good player, which is a compelling reason, also, to keep him. We'll just have to weigh the options of keeping him or whatever else is available, and in the end Andy (Reid) will make a decision as to which he thinks is better."
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Sheppard has 17 career interceptions, including three returned for touchdowns. The Eagles' asking price for Sheppard could be a player—possibly a top wide receiver—or draft picks. The Falcons got second-round and fifth-round picks for DeAngelo Hall, a two-time Pro Bowl cornerback who is two years younger than Sheppard.
Nothing new here, but a countdown is appropriate for PG's favorite happy scrappy pup or whatever the hell she calls him.
If he goes for picks, I'm not gonna be happy. Especially for less then a 2nd and a 5th.
As unlikely as it is, I wouldn't be shocked if they actually kept him this year. If it's a 2nd and a 5th...I think I'd rather they do, bad attitude and all. The odds are highly in favor of those picks being next to useless ever, let alone offering a significant contribution this year.
After all the die-down about Fitz, CJ, etc etc has died down, I would prefer they keep him rather than getting picks.
Quote from: Father Demon on April 16, 2008, 02:16:40 PM
Nothing new here, but a countdown is appropriate for PG's favorite happy scrappy pup or whatever the hell she calls him.
yeah, that's Sheldon
Motherfarg. n/m
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3349761
Trade one malcontent for another?
Gimme!
Quote from: SunMo on April 16, 2008, 02:33:35 PM
Quote from: Father Demon on April 16, 2008, 02:16:40 PM
Nothing new here, but a countdown is appropriate for PG's favorite happy scrappy pup or whatever the hell she calls him.
yeah, that's Sheldon
Whatever. It was stupid nickname.
I'd still take CJ for Lito. It would make the Cincy road trip that much better!
road dawg FTW
Quote from: Father Demon on April 16, 2008, 03:50:50 PM
Quote from: SunMo on April 16, 2008, 02:33:35 PM
Quote from: Father Demon on April 16, 2008, 02:16:40 PM
Nothing new here, but a countdown is appropriate for PG's favorite happy scrappy pup or whatever the hell she calls him.
yeah, that's Sheldon
Whatever. It was stupid nickname.
bite me...I never asked for your approval :=)
You never asked anyone's approval, that's why it never got a veto.
Ban her.
I just love how they state as a matter of fact that Lito is unhappy...
QuoteSheppard isn't happy with his contract—he's signed through 2011...
...But not three lines later they concede that...
QuoteSheppard hasn't expressed his unhappiness publicly
Not that I wouldn't be pretty disappointed with the team I have played my guts out for killing the fatted calf and handing the golden key to an outsider, but I think Lito knows that even with Samuels here he gets the lions share if not the outright starting position opposite Samuels.
still think they should have paid lito enough to make him happy but a fraction of what they paid samuel and hoped he stayed healthy
IGY - You mean instead of singing Samuel? Or, along with... ?
i think he means instead of.
maybe they could have made a serious run at randy moss.
Except that Randy Moss wasn't going anywhere.
Quote from: Father Demon on April 16, 2008, 08:01:55 PM
You mean instead of singing Samuel?
Is that a new song by the Church of Latter Day Saints?
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The Philadelphia Eagles are heading into the week of the NFL draft, this coming Saturday and Sunday, which almost certainly will see them trade standout cornerback Lito Sheppard according to the Philadelphia Daily News.
When the idea of trading Sheppard was broached, much of its appeal had to do with the possibility the team would get a top wideout for him, possibly in a deal that would package him with a high Eagles draft pick. But the Larry Fitzgerald contract drama in Arizona ended. The Lions seem to have no immediate designs on dealing Roy Williams. The Bengals still insist they will not trade Chad Johnson.
Now it seems very unlikely the Birds will acquire a difference-making wideout in a Sheppard trade, unless, of course, they trade Sheppard for a pick or picks they use at that position. Their history there isn't terribly promising. Wideouts drafted in the Reid Era include Na Brown (fourth round, 1999), Troy Smith (sixth round, same year), Todd Pinkston (second round, 2000), Gari Scott (fourth round that year), Freddie Mitchell (first round, 2001), Freddie Milons (fifth round, 2002), Billy McMullen (third round, 2003), Reggie Brown (second round, 2005), Jason Avant (fourth round, 2006) and Jeremy Bloom (fifth round that year).
Link (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/rumors/post/If-Eagles-trade-Sheppard-what-will-they-get-in-?urn=nfl,78025)
More "proof" that Lito should go towards just getting picks. Get Williams.
If the Eagles aren't the busiest team in the league this weekend trade wise and somehow end up drafting 10 or more players I'm going to kick a hole in my dog.
:-D :-D
Yeah all the rumors flying around will really make the OL we never heard of at #19 seem extra lame.
Maybe we should drive to wherever the draft is and boo whatever pick they make... :paranoid
Quote from: rjs246 on April 21, 2008, 04:55:25 PM
If the Eagles aren't the busiest team in the league this weekend trade wise and somehow end up drafting 10 or more players I'm going to kick a hole in my dog.
Perhaps the best post ever, in the history of everness.
Seriously though if the Eagles aren't a significantly better team on paper after this weekend something is wrong.
not really anything new, but Mr Mackey says the Rams are 1 of 3 teams seriously interested in Lito and they could be offering the #33 pick
Sold.
Unless ARZ wants him for Boldin.
Not sold. I'd much rather they keep him for a kick-ass secondary if they can't get a stud WR for him and a pick.
Trading him for a 2nd (even a very high 2nd) doesn't give me a boner.
Quote from: BigEd76 on April 22, 2008, 12:08:16 AM
not really anything new, but Mr Mackey says the Rams are 1 of 3 teams seriously interested in Lito and they could be offering the #33 pick
Please make this happen.
That would be funny, because the Eagles drafted Lito to help them beat the Rams' "greatest show on turf".
Now they're not even the greatest show on independent cable re-runs.
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 22, 2008, 09:34:02 AM
That would be funny, because the Eagles drafted Lito to help them beat the Rams' "greatest show on turf".
Thats fine. But I would be thrilled with him on one side and Hill on the other. Add Chris Long, a healthy Little and a healthy Tinoisamoa, and suddenly the Rams D is no longer a complete laughing stock.
Trading Lito for a first round pick means trading a definite high-caliber, pro-bowl player for a one-in-15 shot of getting a high-caliber, pro-bowl player.
I don't see how this is a win at all.
We can afford him under the cap, and three great CB's is a great thing to have.
The upside is that that one-in-15 shot is younger and we would have him locked up for 5 years, or that we hit that 1-1000 chance and get some amazing player.
I think it is a big risk for little gain, and they shouldn't trade him unless it is for another proven player, especially in a draft where they already have 11 picks. If they want to move up, just use some of those 3rd and 4th and 5th rounders.
Quote from: Father Demon on April 22, 2008, 09:26:20 AM
Not sold. I'd much rather they keep him for a kick-ass secondary if they can't get a stud WR for him and a pick.
Trading him for a 2nd (even a very high 2nd) doesn't give me a boner.
Ditto.
Plus, it's not like Reid has a penchant for snagging oodles of talent in the 2nd round either.
2006 - Winson Justice
2005 - Reggie Brown, Matt McCoy
2004 - N/A
2003 - LJ Smith
2002 - Mike Lewis, Sheldon Brown
2001 - Quinten Caver
2000 - Todd Pinkston, Bobbie Williams
1999 - Barry Gardner
2002/03 were easily his best 2nd round picks and Reggie Brown isn't full of suck like the rest of them are. Jury is still out on Kolbsy but I really don't think he'll ever be worthy of that pick.
Out of the 10 players Reid drafted in the 2nd round, 4 of them aren't complete garbage and 2 of them (Brown and Smith) haven't quite lived up to the hype that surrounded them.
Death to you for saying oodles.
If he is traded he will - in this era - be one of my favorites. He did Dallas in more than once and for that will always be an Eagle - don't tell me that some of your most memorable Eagle moments weren't suppled by Lito..........
Two are supplied by Freddie Mitchell. I remember him as fondly as I remember Joe Panos.
i remember throwing punches around and preachin' from my chair
Please get Anquan Boldin :drool
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Another day, another rumor about a prominent wide receiver the Philadelphia Eagles probably won't be able to trade for this spring. Tuesday the NFL Network's Adam Schefter reported that Anquan Boldin has asked the Arizona Cardinals for a trade. Boldin, 27, got to 300 catches faster than any receiver in NFL history. He has 413 catches in only 68 games since being drafted in the second round in 2003 (yes, the Eagles could have drafted him instead of Jerome McDougle). ed - Boy, I just can't hear that enough...
Boldin is unhappy with his contract in the wake of the 4-year, $40 million renegotiation the Cards reached last month with wideout Larry Fitzgerald. Boldin has 3 years left on a deal that averages around $4.5 million a year. But the Arizona Republic reports that the Cards told Boldin they will not trade him, which puts him in the same category as the other receivers Eagles fans would like to see the team acquire — Detroit's Roy Williams and Cincinnati's Chad Johnson. (And, of course, Fitzgerald, who earlier this offseason supposedly was going to be dealt because of his ruinous cap number, until Arizona just redid the contract.)
Obviously, the Eagles remain likely to send disgruntled corner Lito Sheppard somewhere this week, for something. There were multiple reports yesterday (in the wake of a Delaware County Daily Times report) that they had asked the Kansas City Chiefs about defensive end Jared Allen, who apparently will be dealt instead of playing under the franchise tender. The Chiefs probably could use Sheppard, though they play a Cover 2 defense in which corners are at least a little less important than they are in the Eagles' system. A source close to the situation said Allen won't be coming to the Eagles.
More of the same....
Quote from: 4and26 on April 22, 2008, 11:27:40 PM
If he is traded he will - in this era - be one of my favorites. He did Dallas in more than once and for that will always be an Eagle - don't tell me that some of your most memorable Eagle moments weren't suppled by Lito..........
I love me sum Tito and would love nothing more than to see him stay. But that isn't realistic so knowing that he's going to be traded, I just want to see the Eagles get great value for him and get a player who will make an immediate impact. Which is why I don't want to see him drafted for draft picks or improved draft position.
Quote from: Father Demon on April 23, 2008, 08:55:15 AM
. A source close to the situation said Allen won't be coming to the Eagles.
He is reportedly a Vi-Queen find your own article...
Goodell at the podium on Saturday:
We have a trade to announce. The Philadelphia Eagles have traded their #19 pick in the first round along with their second round selection in 2008 and their fourth round selection in 2009 plus Lito Sheppard for the rights to Anquan Boldin of the Arizona Cardinals.
If this happens (or something equally crazy) what is your reaction? Do you find out where rjs lives in Boston and kick the shtein out of his dog?
That's better than using all those picks on non-impact loser vanilla BYU players.
That's way too much. Lito and Boldin have relatively the same value. I know they're both in different situations. Even though the Eagles aren't teh awesome at drafting, that price is wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy too steep.
what if it meant keeping him out of dallas? still too steep a price?
I think if anywhere, he goes to Washington, but still the same premise. Keep him out of the NFC East.
The highest I'd go for Boldin is a 2nd and Lito. I wouldn't offer 19 for Boldin. I would offer 19 for Chad or Roy Williams. They are simply better players.
If it came down to 19 and Lito for Boldin, I'd just take Devin Thomas and 19, and trade Lito for more picks and load up on our other weaknesses.
its hilarious how much people are overvaluing lito
johnson isn't going anywhere. marvin lewis would blow him on national television before trading him at this point.
and what's the point of trading lito for more draft picks? they already have 11 of them as it is.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 23, 2008, 04:14:45 PM
its hilarious how much people are overvaluing lito
Who is "you people"? To be
extremely conservative, say Lito is worth a 3rd which is probably bullshtein but just go with it for the sake of argument. You're trading a 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th for Anquan Boldin?
Quote from: Rome on April 23, 2008, 04:15:22 PM
johnson isn't going anywhere. marvin lewis would blow him on national television before trading him at this point.
and what's the point of trading lito for more draft picks? they already have 11 of them as it is.
True, they have a lot of picks already, but things can be done about that. Trade up in later rounds, trade them for 09 picks, etc.
If they took Devin Thomas at 19 and traded Lito for picks, they might be able to walk out of this draft with Devin Thomas, Kenny Phillips as their first two selections.
To me that is a no brainer.
pretty sure i never said anything about trading for anquan boldin
Quote from: Dillen on April 23, 2008, 04:03:52 PM
Lito and Boldin have relatively the same value.
As a value across the average of the NFL, then maybe this is correct. But when looking at the micro, Boldin has alot more value in Philly than Lito. We have 2 starting CB's, and no #1 WR. Other teams know this, which weakens Lito's value to the Eagles, and ups their value to a WR.
All said, I'd be happy as hell to keep Lito (I know, not gonna happen), and grabbing Thomas at 19.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 23, 2008, 04:22:13 PM
pretty sure i never said anything about trading for anquan boldin
Then why did you bring up how Lito is overvalued. No one said anything about his value.
Quote from: Father Demon on April 23, 2008, 04:26:16 PM
But when looking at the micro, Boldin has alot more value in Philly than Lito.
Like I said, I know they're different situations. Both are around 27. Both hurt a lot. 2 Pro Bowls each (I think). Both near the best of their position when healthy. Throwing out 3 high picks + Lito for the other guy is retarded, even though he is a better fit.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 23, 2008, 04:14:45 PM
its hilarious how much people are overvaluing lito
The thing is the guy is still under contract and a very good player. Why give him up cheaply if you don't have to? At this point a high first would be fair value. I just don't like the idea of using him to trade up. If they could get a high second for him then they could use their second to move up if they are so inclined.
Quote from: Father Demon on April 23, 2008, 04:26:16 PM
Quote from: Dillen on April 23, 2008, 04:03:52 PM
Lito and Boldin have relatively the same value.
We have 2 starting CB's, and no #1 WR. Other teams know this, which weakens Lito's value to the Eagles, and ups their value to a WR.
yup the eagles have essentially sent lito home...their leverage in dealing him is nill...the only hope of getting much value for him is if they can somehow build enough excitement in him to where two teams bid against each other to raise the price
otherwise a low second rounder is the best you can hope for...but it seems to me his value is more like a 3rd and a 5th maybe??
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on April 23, 2008, 04:32:38 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 23, 2008, 04:14:45 PM
its hilarious how much people are overvaluing lito
The thing is the guy is still under contract and a very good player. Why give him up cheaply if you don't have to? At this point a high first would be fair value. I just don't like the idea of using him to trade up. If they could get a high second for him then they could use their second to move up if they are so inclined.
They don't have to. The Bengals aren't dealing Chad, we don't have to deal Lito. The argument that he'll make the locker room miserable is BS. He'll show up and earn a pay check when all is said and done.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 23, 2008, 04:37:02 PM
but it seems to me his value is more like a 3rd and a 5th maybe??
Can you really put a price on 7 int's in the last 7 games vs Dallas?
Quote from: Dillen on April 23, 2008, 04:29:01 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 23, 2008, 04:22:13 PM
pretty sure i never said anything about trading for anquan boldin
Then why did you bring up how Lito is overvalued. No one said anything about his value.
i mean people are talking getting a one for him or a great player in return....or a really high two and a five...i could be totally wrong but i just dont see it happening
Quote from: King Cole on April 23, 2008, 04:38:59 PM
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on April 23, 2008, 04:32:38 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 23, 2008, 04:14:45 PM
its hilarious how much people are overvaluing lito
The thing is the guy is still under contract and a very good player. Why give him up cheaply if you don't have to? At this point a high first would be fair value. I just don't like the idea of using him to trade up. If they could get a high second for him then they could use their second to move up if they are so inclined.
They don't have to. The Bengals aren't dealing Chad, we don't have to deal Lito. The argument that he'll make the locker room miserable is BS. He'll show up and earn a pay check when all is said and done.
Every time I agree with King Cole I die a little inside, but he's right.
Lito just went from being a moderately paid starting cornerback to the highest paid nickle in the NFL.
he wouldnt be a nickle....sheldon would...and if they had even a little inclanation that he was coming back he wouldnt have left the team for all intents and purposes
hes gone the sooner you get used to that the better youll feel
pretty sure I have the market cornered* on mocking people who expect to get great value for Lito
*intentional, for Rome
Apparently Lito had more than three days left as an Eagle on April 16. The odds seem very against that today, though.
I can't wait to throw up in my mouth when the Eagles give him away for virtually nothing on draft day. The Negadelphian in me says he'll either go for something obscenely low (late third round) or packaged together in some trade that the Eagles could have just as easily made without including Lito.
Given the way the Eagles draft though, I wouldn't even be that thrilled to see him traded for a 2nd and a fifth, or used to move up in the first. I feel like if he's part of a trade for anything other than established NFL talent, it's probably going to be a net loss for the Eagles. I want players that definitely will have an impact this year.
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 23, 2008, 04:49:24 PM
pretty sure I have the market cornered* on mocking people who expect to get great value for Lito
*intentional, for Rome
Um, I like funny puns, not stupid ones.
Quote from: QB Eagles on April 23, 2008, 05:43:18 PM
Apparently Lito had more than three days left as an Eagle on April 16. The odds seem very against that today, though.
It was a countdown, QB.. started at 10 days..
But I agree with you.. it's kind of like you know you're going to get punched in the face by the school bully when you get off the bus, but your mom makes you go anyway. The entire bus ride, you are dreading what happens. And, sure as shtein, you step off the bus and BAM.. right in the kisser....
Lito a 2nd and a 5th for Boldin, that would be my proposal.
And I am preparing myself for them trading Lito and #19 to move up ahead of Denver and Carolina to get one of the OTs.
Equally, I am preparing myself to see Dallas (two #1's), Washington (willing to give their whole draft) or Kansas City (has picks out the ass) get Boldin.
ed werder said on sportcenter tonight to look for the cowboys to trade for roy williams on sat possibly while they are on the clock with one of their picks
That would make me monumentally angry.
Andy and your boy Joey B better draft 11 CBs then.
i'm pretty sure nothing could happen that would be worse than trading down with dallas and drafting a quarterback in the second round.
pretty sure.
Trading up with Dallas and drafting a quarterback in the first round?
So how would the Cowboys go about that Roy Williams situation on the backs of the jerseys?
Maybe they'll come up with some crazy way of telling players apart like assigning each player their own number.
Quote from: Rome on April 23, 2008, 08:31:12 PM
i'm pretty sure nothing could happen that would be worse than trading down with dallas and drafting a quarterback in the second round.
pretty sure.
I hate Dallas but I don't get the fury over trading with them. Taking Kolb was another issue, but trading with Dallas...is there reason to get mad?
Quote from: Rome on April 23, 2008, 08:31:12 PM
i'm pretty sure nothing could happen that would be worse than trading down with dallas and drafting a quarterback in the second round.
pretty sure.
Dallas landing Roy Williams to play opposite T.O. on the same day the Eagles trade away a player capable of defending one of those guys while not acquiring a receiving threat of their own is actually much, much worse.
no, trading with a division rival is the worst thing that has ever happened to this franchise...ever
When Roy Williams trucks happy scrappy for 3 TD's with the playoffs on the line, you might think differently.
i definitely wasn't using sarcasm
I refuse to believe that you have ever or will ever use sarcasm in your prose.
sarcasm translates well on the intarwebz. the last 10 posts confirm that.
the eagles should sue the nfl for collusion...it's not fair that nobody is trading their wideouts to us
With all this talk of Dallas or Washington trying (apparently very, very hard) to add one of the uber-stud WRs, I would hope the Birds are looking at keeping Lito as a contingency plan. If Dallas winds up with Roy Williams plus T.O and Crayton, Washington finagles CJ or Boldin to pair with Santana Moss, and Steve Smith continues to emerge in NY along with Plax, I'd sure as farg hope the Birds, with no definite #1 veteran WRs left, would do everything possible to counter the stacked WR cores in the East with an equally stacked backfield. If Dallas pulls off the Roy Williams deal, Pacman gets reinstated, they could be unbelievably good. The Birds most likely will deal Lito away for dick, pick an OT of the future, and pretty much stand pat. Might turn into a nightmare of a season, staring way up at Dallas.
Also, if the reports of the Eagles probing every possible trade (Allen, Boldin, Fitz, Johnson, etc.) leading with "Hey, you can have Lito - please!" are true, it'll do wonders for his value.
its just like the eagles...when the rams were the greatest show on turf...instead of improving their own offense they loaded up on D.
now i dont mind loading up on D but there has to be a time where they think "maybe we should get one of them WRs".
dallas already acquired pacman jones and dislike him or hate him...he will make a impact on that team at least on special teams. if they add roy williams or a boldin....instead of maybe overpaying for a established WR in a trade the eagles I bet would rather sit pat. smh :(
Bring back Fred Barnett... He kills in Super Tecmo Bowl, and against the Saints...
Quote from: PPinDC on April 23, 2008, 09:50:59 PM
With all this talk of Dallas or Washington trying (apparently very, very hard) to add one of the uber-stud WRs, I would hope the Birds are looking at keeping Lito as a contingency plan. If Dallas winds up with Roy Williams plus T.O and Crayton, Washington finagles CJ or Boldin to pair with Santana Moss, and Steve Smith continues to emerge in NY along with Plax, I'd sure as farg hope the Birds, with no definite #1 veteran WRs left, would do everything possible to counter the stacked WR cores in the East with an equally stacked backfield. If Dallas pulls off the Roy Williams deal, Pacman gets reinstated, they could be unbelievably good. The Birds most likely will deal Lito away for dick, pick an OT of the future, and pretty much stand pat. Might turn into a nightmare of a season, staring way up at Dallas.
Also, if the reports of the Eagles probing every possible trade (Allen, Boldin, Fitz, Johnson, etc.) leading with "Hey, you can have Lito - please!" are true, it'll do wonders for his value.
Can you tell me how you know Pacman is even going to be reinstated? ::)
Jerrah will find a way
Sure, just as soon as you can tell me how the farg you missed that "if" at the beginning of the sentence. Get another hobby.
jerry is de facto commissioner for god sakes you think the nfl is going to not let him have pacman
it just makes me sick that dallas will do anything to get talent on their team...yeah pacman might blow up and they lose him but whast the worst that happens they lose a zesty draft pick...but if he gets his shtein together they have a pro bowl caliber corner and return man...meanwhile the eagles will draft four guards from the mountain west conference
in todd mcshays lastest mock draft he ahs dallas taking felix jones and desean jackson in the first round...that would be nuts talent wise
they may have the talent
but we have the morals!
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 24, 2008, 01:32:13 PM
it just makes me sick that dallas will do anything to get talent on their team...yeah pacman might blow up and they lose him but whast the worst that happens they lose a zesty draft pick...but if he gets his shtein together they have a pro bowl caliber corner and return man...meanwhile the eagles will draft four guards from the mountain west conference
Not saying the trade was right or wrong, how would you have felt about the Eagles making the same move?
i don't want a piece of shtein like cockman jones on any team i'm cheering for. i don't care if the guy raped his dog, though. the thing with him is not only is he a piece of shtein as a human being, he's also wildly overrated as a football player.
pacman for a 4th rounder...hell yeah id do it...whats the negative in that?
if im buffalo i dont do it because the upside isnt big enough....but if im dallas who was a couple games away from the superbowl and returns a very good team...or im the eagles and in my mind a contender then short of a mike ditka type trade i pull the trigger on anything and everything to win a superbowl
Quote from: PhillyGirl on April 24, 2008, 01:15:11 PM
Quote from: PPinDC on April 23, 2008, 09:50:59 PM
With all this talk of Dallas or Washington trying (apparently very, very hard) to add one of the uber-stud WRs, I would hope the Birds are looking at keeping Lito as a contingency plan. If Dallas winds up with Roy Williams plus T.O and Crayton, Washington finagles CJ or Boldin to pair with Santana Moss, and Steve Smith continues to emerge in NY along with Plax, I'd sure as farg hope the Birds, with no definite #1 veteran WRs left, would do everything possible to counter the stacked WR cores in the East with an equally stacked backfield. If Dallas pulls off the Roy Williams deal, Pacman gets reinstated, they could be unbelievably good. The Birds most likely will deal Lito away for dick, pick an OT of the future, and pretty much stand pat. Might turn into a nightmare of a season, staring way up at Dallas.
Also, if the reports of the Eagles probing every possible trade (Allen, Boldin, Fitz, Johnson, etc.) leading with "Hey, you can have Lito - please!" are true, it'll do wonders for his value.
Can you tell me how you know Pacman is even going to be reinstated? ::)
because he's a multiple felon, violent woman beater and abuser with a serious attitude problem.
The NFL cant afford to lose that--they have a reputation on the line here
in 30 games played, he has 4 picks, 1 FF, 1 sack, 23 passes defended, and 5 total touchdowns
i wouldn't call that overrated, he's a real good player
Quote from: Magical_Retard on April 24, 2008, 01:54:16 PM
they may have the talent
but we have the morals!
:-D :-D :-D
Jay Glazer of FOXSports.com reports that Tampa Bay has become the frontrunner for Lito Sheppard.
Glazer reports that Sheppard was visiting with the Buccaneers on Wednesday, and that a trade could go down by Saturday. He speculates that it will take at least a second round pick to get a deal done, and the Bucs have the 21st (52nd overall) pick in the second round.
Source: FOXSports.com
Would you guys be happy with a late 2nd? I'm not so sure.
thats about the most you could expect so yes i would be fine with that
Hopefully this motivates the Rams to up their offer for their high 2nd rounder.
so Tampa is going to give us Mark Clayton or Stovall with that pick? Christ I'd rather have 47 yr old Galloway
Throw in Greg White I might do it
thrown in garcia and give them mcnabb and we have a deal, baby.
i know what they are doing...
taking the 52nd and then they will package that together with their other 2nd round pick and BAM roy williams is ours.
Quote from: King Cole on April 24, 2008, 04:19:16 PM
Jay Glazer of FOXSports.com reports that Tampa Bay has become the frontrunner for Lito Sheppard.
Glazer reports that Sheppard was visiting with the Buccaneers on Wednesday, and that a trade could go down by Saturday. He speculates that it will take at least a second round pick to get a deal done, and the Bucs have the 21st (52nd overall) pick in the second round.
Source: FOXSports.com
Would you guys be happy with a late 2nd? I'm not so sure.
I would hate everything about that trade. I've been adomant about it since the moment the Eagles signed Samuel......if they trade Lito for picks and don't find a way to give McNabb another weapon on offense, then it simply means that they are giving up on winning a SB with McNabb and are trying to reload so they can show McNabb the door and not have to go through a rebuilding phase with Kolb.
i dont know how real the attempts to acquire fitz and moss were but at this point it really seems like they want to rebuild while making a half hearted run with mcnabb.
if he gets them to the playoffs good. if he gets hot and the team makes a run like the giants did even better. but actually trying to reload for this coming season i dont think they are as much interested.
if he fails or gets injured again they will be more than justified to show him the door through a trade.
I think that with all the crap that McNabb has had to deal with since being drafted......the boo's, the inept recievers, the inept playcalling, etc, etc, etc, this franchise owes it to him to go out and assemble the best possible team that money can buy and give him a legit shot and winning a superbowl.
He's been in the NFL for 9 years. 8 of those years the Eagles were quite frugal during the offseason, especially when it came to recievers. The 1 year they decided to open up the checkbook, what happened? Super Bowl.
Do what it takes. Get him some playmakers. And farg the Kevin Kolb era.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on April 24, 2008, 06:09:20 PM
Quote from: King Cole on April 24, 2008, 04:19:16 PM
Jay Glazer of FOXSports.com reports that Tampa Bay has become the frontrunner for Lito Sheppard.
Glazer reports that Sheppard was visiting with the Buccaneers on Wednesday, and that a trade could go down by Saturday. He speculates that it will take at least a second round pick to get a deal done, and the Bucs have the 21st (52nd overall) pick in the second round.
Source: FOXSports.com
Would you guys be happy with a late 2nd? I'm not so sure.
I would hate everything about that trade. I've been adomant about it since the moment the Eagles signed Samuel......if they trade Lito for picks and don't find a way to give McNabb another weapon on offense, then it simply means that they are giving up on winning a SB with McNabb and are trying to reload so they can show McNabb the door and not have to go through a rebuilding phase with Kolb.
I agree. You could argue that the Eagles are just delusional and really think their WRs are good enough, but that all went out the door once they pursued Moss and Fitzgerald. They know they needed one.
What's the matter Sarge, you don't think the Eagles can get a "playmaker" WR with pick #52 in a weak WR draft? You must be a Negadelphian.
Whether that's the trade or not, it looks an awful lot like the Eagles are going to trade proven Pro Bowl-caliber talent for unproven players that have at least even odds of being garbage and low odds of adding as much value to the team as Lito. If the Eagles can't make Lito even a small part of a worthwhile trade, the Samuel move loses a lot of its luster.
At this point I'd love if they took Devin Thomas. He isn't going to start right away, but I'm telling you by mid to late season he will be making plays.
Plus he'd see the field in the return game right away.
I have a feeling the Bills might trade down for him though. Right in front of the Eagles at 17.
Quote from: QB Eagles on April 24, 2008, 06:26:47 PM
What's the matter Sarge, you don't think the Eagles can get a "playmaker" WR with pick #52 in a weak WR draft? You must be a Negadelphian.
ha!
QuoteWhether that's the trade or not, it looks an awful lot like the Eagles are going to trade proven Pro Bowl-caliber talent for unproven players that have at least even odds of being garbage and low odds of adding as much value to the team as Lito. If the Eagles can't make Lito even a small part of a worthwhile trade, the Samuel move loses a lot of its luster.
Right on.
Quote from: King Cole on April 24, 2008, 06:29:19 PM
I have a feeling the Bills might trade down for him though. Right in front of the Eagles at 17.
I hate quotes like this. No team trades
down for a player. If the team likes him, they take him. They're not going to risk losing him trading down a few spots if they really like him.
Gruden loves ex-Eagles.
I would prefer a high #2 or packaging him with picks to get a WR.
So in this scenario they would have 12 picks? Here doggy doggy doggy...
My feeling was that the plan was to pick up Samuel and trade Lito for Fitzgerald, and if that's right, they were going for the brass ring, which is good. Unfortunately, they were lazy on Fitz. Seems to me the FO thought Fitz wouldn't sign long term, or Arizona would be too cheap, and they wouldn't have any trouble getting him. Oops.
Not being able to get something valuable for Lito makes the Samuel move a mistake.
Quote from: Dillen on April 24, 2008, 06:39:24 PM
Quote from: King Cole on April 24, 2008, 06:29:19 PM
I have a feeling the Bills might trade down for him though. Right in front of the Eagles at 17.
I hate quotes like this. No team trades down for a player. If the team likes him, they take him. They're not going to risk losing him trading down a few spots if they really like him.
Yes, teams do trade down for players. I personally agree with you. If you like a player, then take him where you are. Value is overrated IMO, because it is so subjective.
But some teams do go nuts about value and trade down hoping a guy they like is there.
Where da proof at.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 24, 2008, 04:23:32 PM
thats about the most you could expect so yes i would be fine with that
Ding.
All you whiners need to realize this is about the best they can get. Besides, picks were made to be traded, so trading Lito for a pick doesn't throw away the dream of a top WR. Actually, it cashes in his value so the Eagles have more things to trade with teams that want nothing to do with Lito Sheppard.
Quote from: rjs246 on April 24, 2008, 07:00:51 PM
So in this scenario they would have 12 picks? Here doggy doggy doggy...
Put the video on YouTube and the confession on grouphug.
My take on Lito is 2 or 3 teams are probably offering their 2nd but the Eagles are holding out until one of the teams ups the ante by throwing in a 5th or something like that.
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 24, 2008, 08:17:47 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 24, 2008, 04:23:32 PM
thats about the most you could expect so yes i would be fine with that
Ding.
All you whiners need to realize this is about the best they can get. Besides, picks were made to be traded, so trading Lito for a pick doesn't throw away the dream of a top WR. Actually, it cashes in his value so the Eagles have more things to trade with teams that want nothing to do with Lito Sheppard.
Quote from: rjs246 on April 24, 2008, 07:00:51 PM
So in this scenario they would have 12 picks? Here doggy doggy doggy...
Put the video on YouTube and the confession on grouphug.
I'm not pissed that they aren't getting offered more. I'm pissed that they have it in their heads that they can't keep him. It makes no sense. If teams want to lowball you, then fine. Plan B should be to say screw you, we're keeping him.
But they won't keep him, and that pisses me off.
It's too late for that, champ.
Link (http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/20080425_Eagles_Notebook__Eagles__Sheppard_doesn_t_deny_trade_to_Tampa_is_possibe.html)
QuoteEagles Notebook: Eagles' Sheppard doesn't deny trade to Tampa is possible
By LES BOWEN
Philadelphia Daily News
bowenl@phillynews.com
Lito Sheppard said last night he just happened to be in Tampa this week and checked in on some old friends.
A source close to the situation, however, confirmed Jay Glazer's report on Foxsports.com, which said Sheppard "was in Tampa on Wednesday to visit with the Buccaneers, who have emerged as the front-runner for the two-time Pro Bowler.''
The Eagles, who certainly would object to apparent tampering if they hadn't given their permission, raised no objection. They said they had no comment.
Sheppard, who consistently has refused comment since the Eagles' signing of corner Asante Samuel made it clear he would be traded, did not return calls from the Daily News. Ditto agents Peter Schaffer and Lamont Smith.
But Sheppard told the Tampa Tribune: "I was there to see some people at [the University of] South Florida that I know, and while I was there, I saw some of the [Bucs players]. I saw [receiver] Antonio Bryant a little bit and [former Eagles linebacker] Matt McCoy. But I didn't meet with anybody [in the front office].''
Sheppard did not deny that a trade to Tampa is a possibility. He is unhappy with the contract extension he signed in 2004, which runs through 2011. With Sheppard missing 14 games over the past three seasons, the Birds have not been inclined to revise the deal, and they differed with Sheppard over the severity of his knee injury last year. Sheppard is said to have been told he will be dealt during this weekend's NFL draft.
"I'm just playing it by ear right now and waiting,'' he said. "I really just want to get things situated so I can move on with everything. I hope I find out soon. I mean, right now I'm as excited about this weekend as if I was one of those kids being drafted.''
The Eagles are believed to be seeking something like the second- and fifth-round draft choices Atlanta got for cornerback DeAngelo Hall. Eagles fan message boards, always on the alert for a possible wide receiver acquisition, were abuzz last night with speculation that the Sheppard deal would include Bucs wideout Michael Clayton.
Clayton, 6-4, 215, drafted in the first round, 15th overall, in 2004, has had one of the strangest careers ever. As a rookie out of LSU he caught 80 passes for 1,193 yards and seven touchdowns. In the three seasons since, he has caught a total of 87 passes, including 22 last season, and scored just one touchdown. Injuries - including a high-ankle sprain last season - have played a role, but he also has dropped a lot of balls.
Sheppard, drafted in the first round, 26th overall, in 2002, has been the most successful defensive draft pick of the Andy Reid era. He has eight interceptions in his last eight meetings with the Dallas Cowboys. *
I wouldn't mind Clayton as a throw in...like if the Bucs are offering their 2nd and Clayton.
I don't think Clayton adds any value at all. The Eagles really don't have much use for him. He falls under Kevin and Reggie on the depth chart, and this team doesn't need more mediocre WR's.
Clayton might be an upgrade over Baskett. MIGHT.
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 25, 2008, 07:49:20 AM
I don't think Clayton adds any value at all. The Eagles really don't have much use for him. He falls under Kevin and Reggie on the depth chart, and this team doesn't need more mediocre WR's.
Clayton might be an upgrade over Baskett. MIGHT.
Agreed, he has shown nothing since his rookie season. All he would be is a throw in, maybe you catch lightning in a bottle and he regains his rookie form. Though that is about as likely as the Sixers making it to the NBA finals.
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 25, 2008, 07:49:20 AM
I don't think Clayton adds any value at all. The Eagles really don't have much use for him. He falls under Kevin and Reggie on the depth chart, and this team doesn't need more mediocre WR's.
Clayton might be an upgrade over Baskett. MIGHT.
Totally agree. He'd add as much value as Kelly Holcomb did last year... basically adding nothing to the position.
As far as the 2nd rounder for Lito... as much as I know they won't... I'd just rather they keep him. UNLESS... this extra 2nd rounder is going to be used to sweeten the pot for Williams or Boldin.
the eagles should just admit their failings and throw some money lito's way to make him happy and keep him...but they wont do that because that would admit they grossly mis read what his value was and that throwing a truck load of money at samuel was probably a mistake...but joe banner does not admit mistakes
I'm glad I used foresight by adding the word 'throw in' so when I hear 'he blows', 'he drops too many passes', 'he's no better than Baskett' I have myself covered.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 25, 2008, 08:28:06 AM
the eagles should just admit their failings and throw some money lito's way to make him happy and keep him...but they wont do that because that would admit they grossly mis read what his value was and that throwing a truck load of money at samuel was probably a mistake...but joe banner does not admit mistakes
Exactly... that's why I say if they can't package him and land a stud WR (or even DE during the Jared Allen rumors)... they should toss him some hush money and keep him on the roster. It's still completely possible to smooth things over enough with Lito and have a monster secondary, but as you said, that would have to include some humbling on the FO's part and we know that just ain't gonna happen. Instead, they've painted themselves into a corner to where the option of an unknown in a 2nd round pick (where they've been terrible drafters. btw) is the better option than having 3 pro-bowl caliber CB's on the team.
I don't think the Eagles overestimated Lito's value they just screwed themselves by making it known he was available after they signed Samuel.
they had no choice in that matter...it was either sign samuel first or lose him...
their problem was getting personal with lito because he wants a new contract and essentially sending him home...they should have taken a public stance that even after signing samuel lito would be kept...how believble that would have been is up for debate but it would have been better than basically kicking him off the team
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 25, 2008, 08:28:06 AM
the eagles should just admit their failings and throw some money lito's way to make him happy and keep him...
I must be in bizarro world, because I agree with IGY on that ^^^
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 25, 2008, 08:28:06 AM
but they wont do that because that would admit they grossly mis read what his value was and that throwing a truck load of money at samuel was probably a mistake...but joe banner does not admit mistakes
Wait.. there it is.. all is fine in the world. The conspiracy theory of Banner willing to do harm to the billion dollar franchise in order to save a little face. OK.. now I know things are still true to form.
I honestly don't think Lito is worth that much more than his contract, if anything more. It might be a different story if he could stay healthy a whole season, but I give it the big hell no on re-upping his deal.
I think keeping him at his current deal would be the pipe dream - MUCH better than getting a 2nd round pick back for him. But, that ship sailed when the Eagles signed Samuel. Lito wants to stack some cheddar, and he'll get to do so somewhere else.
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 25, 2008, 07:49:20 AM
I don't think Clayton adds any value at all. The Eagles really don't have much use for him. He falls under Kevin and Reggie on the depth chart, and this team doesn't need more mediocre WR's.
Clayton might be an upgrade over Baskett. MIGHT.
Troof. Trade a player who missed significant time in recent years because of injury for another player who missed significant time in recent years because of injury. Makes perfect sense.
Quote from: Father Demon on April 25, 2008, 09:10:30 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 25, 2008, 08:28:06 AM
the eagles should just admit their failings and throw some money lito's way to make him happy and keep him...
I must be in bizarro world, because I agree with IGY on that ^^^
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 25, 2008, 08:28:06 AM
but they wont do that because that would admit they grossly mis read what his value was and that throwing a truck load of money at samuel was probably a mistake...but joe banner does not admit mistakes
Wait.. there it is.. all is fine in the world. The conspiracy theory of Banner willing to do harm to the billion dollar franchise in order to save a little face. OK.. now I know things are still true to form.
harming the fanchise to him would be hurting the bottom line...so not keeping lito does nothing in his mind to harm the franchise...banner is full of three things...himself money and shtein...in that order
I'm never in the "give more money" camp, because a contract is a contract, and the player shouldn't have signed it if he didn't want it. But, in this case, it can be argued that it's warranted solely because I can't see a situation where the Eagles get value out of trading him. His value to the NFL, especially when it's so well known he is moving, may only be worth a 2nd, but to the Eagles his value should be higher.
Someone else said it, but if the Eagles can't get what what they consider a fair value for him, then they shouldn't trade him. If they get what they think is fair (which is probably a long way off for what the buyers think is fair thanks to the "Lito is for sale" announcements), then trade him.
But it should in no way be a situation where Lito has to leave no matter what.
And that goes back to my money statement. They did a bad thing by putting a placard on his head, and if they want to keep him they should do a good thing and bump him a bit to show that after all of this, they still value him as a player and team member.
they will never do the "give more money" thing because as soon as they do, Sheldon will be up their ass
banner is not gonna cake off a guy who has made it known that hes bitter about his contract and after he gave that guys replacement 20 million bucks guaranteed....EVER
Didn't say I think they will, I said I can see the argument of why it might make sense.
And I agree on the whole can of worms thing.
IF the Eagles are intent on moving Sheppard regardless... and they're settled on getting a 2nd round pick, then he better be on his way to St. Louis, farg Tampa.
Difference of 19 spots... and virtually a 1st rounder. Considering he was taken 26th in '02... getting the 33rd in '08 would be as good as you can get.
this all makes the fact that they got a 2nd round pick for AJ Feely even more awesome
Quote from: EagleFeva on April 25, 2008, 10:29:03 AM
IF the Eagles are intent on moving Sheppard regardless... and they're settled on getting a 2nd round pick, then he better be on his way to St. Louis, farg Tampa.
Difference of 19 spots... and virtually a 1st rounder. Considering he was taken 26th in '02... getting the 33rd in '08 would be as good as you can get.
You figure out the fact that an earlier 2nd round pick is a better 2nd round pick all by yourself?
what # is the eagles own 2nd round pick? low 2nd round pick right?
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 25, 2008, 10:37:42 AM
Quote from: EagleFeva on April 25, 2008, 10:29:03 AM
IF the Eagles are intent on moving Sheppard regardless... and they're settled on getting a 2nd round pick, then he better be on his way to St. Louis, farg Tampa.
Difference of 19 spots... and virtually a 1st rounder. Considering he was taken 26th in '02... getting the 33rd in '08 would be as good as you can get.
You figure out the fact that an earlier 2nd round pick is a better 2nd round pick all by yourself?
I iz smart...
Point is, goofus... that the Eagles are being fools once again if they're close to sending him to Tampa like the reports say.
Yeah, the Eagles are totally going to take a much worse pick just to keep him out of St. Louis!
Seriously, what the hell are you talking about? They'll take the best offer they can that doesn't send him to a divisional opponent. It's not rocket science.
I'd be thrilled with the St. Louis pick, its essentially a late 1st since NE doesn't have their pick. That and there's no way the Eagles select a RB that early and the amount that are picked will allow other players to drop.
Quote from: rjs246 on April 24, 2008, 07:00:51 PM
So in this scenario they would have 12 picks? Here doggy doggy doggy...
lmao
Quote from: SunMo on April 25, 2008, 09:40:20 AM
they will never do the "give more money" thing because as soon as they do, Sheldon will be up their ass
i'd personally pay sheldon before i'd pay lito because of lito's health issues. and because it would make pg giggle with glee.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on April 25, 2008, 11:02:27 AM
I'd be thrilled with the St. Louis pick, its essentially a late 1st since NE doesn't have their pick. That and there's no way the Eagles select a RB that early and the amount that are picked will allow other players to drop.
I thought last year there was no way they'd take a QB that early. Heck it hadn't even crossed my mind. We have no idea what they'll do. Maybe they'll take another QB...
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 25, 2008, 10:58:38 AM
Yeah, the Eagles are totally going to take a much worse pick just to keep him out of St. Louis!
Seriously, what the hell are you talking about? They'll take the best offer they can that doesn't send him to a divisional opponent. It's not rocket science.
Quote from: EagleFeva on April 25, 2008, 10:29:03 AM
IF the Eagles are intent on moving Sheppard regardless... and they're settled on getting a 2nd round pick, then he better be on his way to St. Louis, farg Tampa.
Seriously, what the hell are YOU talking about? Reading isn't rocket science, either...
No seriously.
Like the internet...
Your insinuation that the Rams' pick is even in the same realm of value as the Bucs', just because both are in the second round, is asinine.
Deal in the real, brother.
this is probably the worst retard fight i've ever seen
Quote from: SunMo on April 25, 2008, 04:50:23 PM
this is probably the worst retard fight i've ever seen
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 25, 2008, 04:36:43 PM
Your insinuation that the Rams' pick is even in the same realm of value as the Bucs', just because both are in the second round, is asinine.
Deal in the real, brother.
Ha, OK... I can see how my saying "farg Tampa" could be misconstrued to mean that the Eagles should consider the Bucs pick over the Rams.
I guess I should have said "SUPER farg Tampa" so I didn't confuse you... my bad.
TBO.com reporting the Saints have jumped in on the Lito talks and could be offering #40 overall (12 spots higher than Tampa Bay's pick)
Get the Bucs and Saints bidding against each other
TBO.com? Reliable?
How dare you question BigEd?
Infidel!
Link (http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/20080425_Saints_have_best_offer_for_Eagles_Sheppard.html)
QuoteSaints have best offer for Eagles' SheppardBy Bob Brookover
INQUIRER STAFF WRITER
All the speculation finally becomes something more tomorrow when the NFL draft begins at 3 p.m.
Lito Sheppard, barring some unforeseen development, will become a member of another team and we'll all get to see what he brings in return. Early tonight, it was the New Orleans Saints' second-round pick that qualified as the best offer on the table.
A league source said five teams had made offers for Sheppard. The St. Louis Rams and Tampa Bay Buccaneers were among those five teams and the source said the Eagles were still hopeful when they went to bed last night that some team would improve its offer tomorrow.
The Saints' second-round pick is the 40th overall. Another league source said the Rams were unwilling to give up their second-round pick for Sheppard, which is the 33d overall. In a normal draft year that would be the first pick of the second round, but this year it is the second pick because the New England Patriots were stripped of the 32d overall pick in the first round.
New Orleans is in definite need of help at corner even though free-agent cornerbacks Randall Gay and Aaron Glenn signed with the team as free agents this offseason. The Saints finished 30th in pass defense last season.
Some reports Thursday said that Tampa Bay was the frontrunner to land Sheppard, but the league source said the Bucs did not have the best offer on the table as of early tonight. There was also speculation that the Bucs might include Michael Clayton in a deal for Sheppard, but the source said the Eagles were not interested in the veteran wide receiver. Tampa Bay has the 52d overall pick in the second round.
The league source said the Eagles were still considering keeping Sheppard, but that remains an unlikely scenario. It's no secret that Sheppard is unhappy with his contract. He is signed through 2011 and is scheduled to make $2 million this season. The source said that Sheppard wants his contract sweetened, but that he is not asking to be treated like an unrestricted free agent.
If, as expected, the Eagles do land another second-round pick, it would give them more leverage to move up in the first round of tomorrow's draft. The Eagles, whose pick in the second round is the 49th overall, could use one of those picks to get a player they want but might not still be on the draft board when they are scheduled to make the 19th overall selection.
Eagles general manager Tom Heckert said Monday that there are definitely some players who the team would be willing to move up the draft board to take and the player who seems to fit that bill the best is Virginia offensive lineman Branden Albert, who isn't expected to be around when the Eagles make their selection.
Albert played primarily at left guard for Virginia, but most teams believe he could also have the ability to slide out to left tackle. If the Eagles want Vanderbilt's Chris Williams or Pittsburgh's Jeff Otah, it might also require them to move up from the 19th spot.
The other potential pick that could require a move up the draft board is Michigan State's Devin Thomas, who is considered the best wide receiver in the draft. With it looking highly unlikely that the Eagles are going to acquire a top veteran wide receiver via trade, it still seems possible that they might go after Thomas, who was also an outstanding kick returner in his final season with the Spartans.
If the Eagles do settle for an additional second-round pick, it would give them a total of 12 draft picks, including four of the top 80 selections. It's possible the Eagles could remain right in the 19th spot in the first round and select someone like Miami's Kenny Phillips, who is considered the best safety in the draft.
Anything is possible, but the good thing is we've finally arrived at draft day and we'll get some answers instead of more speculation tomorrow. The other good thing is that the first
Quote• The Eagles are asking too much for Lito Sheppard, the cornerback who wants a new big-money contract. Philly talked to Tampa Bay, but the Bucs are not interested in surrendering their second-round pick because they'd also have to pay Sheppard just under what the premier corners have been making the past few seasons. That's too much. I expect Sheppard to end this weekend as an Eagle.
Link (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/peter_king/04/25/five.things/index.html?eref=T1)
Not mentioned in that Saints/Eagles trade article is the real possibility that the Saints 2nd rounder will go to the Giants as part of a trade for Jeremy Shockey.
i wonder what peter king will write when lito gets traded tomorrow?
ummm... oops?
Quote from: Rome on April 25, 2008, 11:59:12 PM
i wonder what peter king will write when lito gets traded tomorrow?
Probably some bullshtein about coffee, his daughter's field hockey team, or how good Brett Favre's icehole rim tastes.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on April 25, 2008, 10:25:08 PM
The league source said the Eagles were still considering keeping Sheppard, but that remains an unlikely scenario. It's no secret that Sheppard is unhappy with his contract. He is signed through 2011 and is scheduled to make $2 million this season. The source said that Sheppard wants his contract sweetened, but that he is not asking to be treated like an unrestricted free agent.
If that is true, and it very well sounds like the source was the agent or Lito himself, then the Eagles would be dumbasses to not even entertain his request for a new deal. Take a proposal at least and TRY to keep him.
Schefter said on NFL network last night that Shockey to the Saints was basically a done deal, but he didn't get into particulars. The very next thing he said is that the Eagles very well might keep Lito Sheppard at this point, because they aren't going to trade him unless they get adequate value back in return.
Frankly, with all the #1 WR's likely staying put (something else he mentioned), keeping Lito is an absolute best-case scenario.
Agreed on keeping Lito, though they could just be saying that to see what they can squeeze out of another team.
Hypothetical situation but if New Orleans did this I'd hope they'd get Katrina'd all over:
QuoteMike Florio, April 26, 2008
The New Orleans Saints and their second-round pick (No. 40 overall) in this weekend's draft have long been linked to the Giants and their double-fisted Super Bowl suite drinker Jeremy Shocker.
But now the Saints and that same second-round pick are linked to the Eagles and their obsolete cornerback Lito Sheppard, who surely won't be kept around given the arrival of Asante Samuel.
According to the Philadelphia Inquirer, the Saints are one of the five teams chasing Sheppard. Others include the Bucs and the Rams. However, the Rams are reluctant to give up their second-round pick, which is No. 33 overall.
As to the Saints, they can't trade the same pick twice (duh), so what are they up to? Our guess is that they're trying to play two NFC East rivals against each other, hoping that one of them takes the Saints' second-rounder in order to prevent the other from getting it.
Or maybe, as a reader suggested, the Saints are merely the straw man in a three-way trade. Maybe they'll get Sheppard with that second-round pick and then trade him straight up to the Giants for Shockey.
I'd trade Lito for Shockey purely for entertainment value. Shockey and McNabb would get along about as well as David Duke and Louis Farrakhan.
Quote from: QB Eagles on April 26, 2008, 12:38:24 AM
Quote from: Rome on April 25, 2008, 11:59:12 PM
i wonder what peter king will write when lito gets traded tomorrow?
Probably some bullshtein about coffee, his daughter's field hockey team, or how good Brett Favre's icehole rim tastes.
Like wiz?
Lito for Shockey would work for me. Seriously.
Where are you guys getting this Shockey for Lito stuff from... as far as the Eagles, anyway?
I'd send the Eagles hate mail if they signed that dumb white trash dirtbag.
Quote from: EagleFeva on April 26, 2008, 12:16:55 PM
Where are you guys getting this Shockey for Lito stuff from... as far as the Eagles, anyway?
My ass.
Shepard is a better football player, and Shockey is injured just as much as Lito.
AIDS!
Quote from: EagleFeva on April 26, 2008, 12:16:55 PM
Where are you guys getting this Shockey for Lito stuff from... as far as the Eagles, anyway?
Well, the actual rumor is the Saints trading the Eagles the #40 pick for Lito, and then shipping Lito to NY for Shockey. I was waxing poetic about trading Lito for Shockey. It would not be a smart move, but it would be hilarious, and I love to be entertained.
Quote from: Diomedes on April 26, 2008, 12:17:13 PM
I'd send the Eagles hate mail if they signed that dumb white trash dirtbag.
Co-signed by me.
farg Shockey
farg Shockey the person.
I'd be happy with Shockey the player.
Keep Lito.
I keep hearing a Jamaal Brown rumor which would be unbelievable.
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 26, 2008, 02:44:58 PM
Quote from: EagleFeva on April 26, 2008, 12:16:55 PM
Where are you guys getting this Shockey for Lito stuff from... as far as the Eagles, anyway?
Well, the actual rumor is the Saints trading the Eagles the #40 pick for Lito, and then shipping Lito to NY for Shockey. I was waxing poetic about trading Lito for Shockey. It would not be a smart move, but it would be hilarious, and I love to be entertained.
Cool... I knew about that rumor, but I thought for a sec something else had developed...
Quote from: Father Demon on April 26, 2008, 02:50:49 PM
farg Shockey the person.
I'd be happy with Shockey the player.
Keep Lito.
I hate Shockey as a person and don't care much for him as a player either. The Eagles already have one oft injured TE who hasn't quite lived up to the hype around him. Don't really need 2.
It's looking a little better to keep him.
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 26, 2008, 06:12:39 PM
It's looking a little better to keep him.
Yes... yes it is.
Now that the skins drafted Thomas and Kelly, I would hope the Eagles keep Lito another year, or forever.
Pay him.
no chance lito is an eagle this season.
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 26, 2008, 08:09:31 PM
Pay him.
why when he's already under contract? He's not like Westbrook who's clearly outperformed his deal. I'm all for keeping Lito but farg paying him a cent more when he hasn't earned a raise.
Andy said they had deals on the table, but not what they wanted so they kept him. They weren't going to give him away.
Keeping him is good. Obviously trading him for a stud WR would have been the best thing to do unless they play on sweetening his contract a bit.
I go back to the quote that the source said in an article SD posted about him not wanting to be paid like a FA, just a little more and I agree with that.
He has two years left, right? That is about the time when they look to extend guys long term. I know he got his big deal already, but its time to hook him up and keep him. They dont have to give him crazy money, just enough to keep it right and make him happy and productive.
They need to win soon. Having Lito, Sheldon and Asante as the CBs on this team, with the WRS in this division is the way to do it.
i am just really confused about this situation right now.
as a fan of course if there is no way to land a elite WR or to get true value back in return (whatever that may be) i want them to keep him and have a sick secondary with dawkins, brown, samuel, and lito. but as a realist i know it is not possible. rumors of his unhappiness with his contract from before the eagles signed samuel.
i really doubt they make all CBs work and be happy with each others posistions both on the field and financially.
move sheldon to nickel? safety? upgrade lito's contract?
if i had to predict today i say they keep him for now till around june/july to see if they can pull off a better deal. i still do not see them keeping him on the roster come week1.
Nalbone on NJ.com;
QuoteThere now is speculation the Eagles may use Sheppard and next year's first-round pick they received from Carolina in a trade for a proven wide receiver.
Man, how sick would this team be with Jackson and a stud veteran WR?
If that happened I couldn't complain for one second about this draft.
Quote from: King Cole on April 27, 2008, 02:13:51 AM
Man, how sick would this team be with Jackson and a stud veteran WR?
If that happened I couldn't complain for one second about this draft.
Stud vet/Brown/Jackson/Avant/Curtis or Baskett = :drool :drool :drool :drool :drool :drool
You have Curtis listed as an "or" option with Hank Baskett?
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 27, 2008, 02:09:45 AM
Nalbone on NJ.com;
QuoteThere now is speculation the Eagles may use Sheppard and next year's first-round pick they received from Carolina in a trade for a proven wide receiver.
Yeah, that struck my mind as soon as they announced the terms of that trade. I wonder though if any team is willing to give up an elite WR this season and not reap the reward for it until next season. Also, we know of teams with stud WRs turning down #1 offers
this year.
mortensen just said on sportscenter that Detroit, Arizona, and Cincinnati are all still telling teams no for their wideouts...
at this point just keep lito
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 27, 2008, 02:09:45 AM
Nalbone on NJ.com;
QuoteThere now is speculation the Eagles may use Sheppard and next year's first-round pick they received from Carolina in a trade for a proven wide receiver.
no way on gods green earth do they trade Lito and a 1st for a WR...and if they did I'd hope they'd package their own and not the Panthers pick because I think the Eagles will be better than Carolina next season.
There's just way Lito is still on the team this year. They didn't get a second rounder for him, and they might not deal him until after the draft but it just isn't going to happen unless they do something drastic like re-work his contract or convince Sheldon to move to safety. Neither of those things are going to happen. At all. So he's gone. It's just a matter of whether they can get anything of value for him or whether they'll be forced to just release him.
there is less than zero chance they flat out release him
Rusty must be hitting the sauce early.
if so, I admire him for it
What on earth makes you think that I ever stopped drinking?
well you do sleep
regarding Lito...with the addition of Jackson I'm sure Reid thinks the WR corps is fine. Meanwhile, no movement has been made regarding safety.
I'm wondering if there is any possibility Lito will be traded for a safety after the draft?
He could be kept I suppose..and I would certainly like that for this year at least...but I don't think it's likely.
Quotewell you do sleep
That's what I. V.s are for.
Andy talks about making nice with Lito (http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=15410)
On whether he feels the need to talk to CB Lito Sheppard about his situation:
"Yeah, we'll work something out. Something will be worked out."
On whether he received any offers for Lito this weekend:
"Not significant ones."
On whether there's a chance that Lito may still be traded:
"No, as I sit here, right now, Lito is an Eagle. That's how it is, just like every other guy on this football team. It gives us one great opportunity for a nice secondary. The way to use him is just like we used (former Eagles CBs) Bobby Taylor, Al Harris and Troy Vincent. We just rotated all of them and they were all starters in our eyes. Just let them play, that's the way I look at this secondary."
On whether he will restructure Lito's contract or there will be other concessions:
"We'll talk about all that. I'll talk to Lito about that."
And one especially for IGY and his tinfoil hat:
On drafting QB Kevin Kolb last year:
"I thought we needed that last year. There was a player that I liked, at a position that we needed a backup at, at that particular time. I don't pick guys necessarily to be backups; I pick them to be future starters. I don't want guys who are just career backup guys. That's not what I'm shooting for. It might happen that way at times, but it's not what I'm shooting for. With that, that's a pretty important position, and we needed it, so I took it."
please dont ever post andy reid quotes again...him talking about the eagles is about as believable as munsons high school football career
I'm glad Lito is still an Eagle and I hope he sticks around for another year. The fact is the guy can make plays and even if he's only on the field half the year, thats fine with me.
IF they keep Lito, it will work if Sheldon can be a man not sulk when he goes from a starter to a nickel back. It's never going to be a long term solution but it can work for this year if Sheldon doesn't cause problems with a new role.
It does give me some football boners thinking about a modified 3-4 front on 3rd and longs with exotic blitzes from different angles and the qb having to throw to receivers covered by Samuel, Lito, and Sheldon
I would guess that all three of them would be on the field a lot regardless... especially with a Considine/Mikell tandem at SS.
oh yeah...
considine...
someone somewhere mentioned moving dawk to ss and putting sheldon at fs. i don't know enough to say whether it would work but it sounded good to me.
Quote from: SunMo on April 28, 2008, 12:12:34 PM
oh yeah...
considine...
I would love to see him begging for work in the corn fields of Iowa, but Andy will probably start him instead.
Quote from: Rome on April 28, 2008, 12:16:10 PM
someone somewhere mentioned moving dawk to ss and putting sheldon at fs. i don't know enough to say whether it would work but it sounded good to me.
In. That could lengthen Dawks career too.
Heckert just shot down Sheldon to safety on wip.
Again, you don't move someone to safety that's a good cover corner. It's a waste of talent. Depending on the defensive call, guys move around and fill different functions, but Sheldon Brown is a good farging cornerback, so he shouldn't be "moved" to safety.
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 28, 2008, 12:24:01 PM
Again, you don't move someone to safety that's a good cover corner. It's a waste of talent. Depending on the defensive call, guys move around and fill different functions, but Sheldon Brown is a good farging cornerback, so he shouldn't be "moved" to safety.
this is correct
you move to safety as you get older and cant play corner anymore...sheldon is not even close to that point yet...hes a #1 corner on a lot of teams
They should play 3 corners covering with Dawk as a close to the line 'safety'.
Basically an (excellent) three man back field and 4 LB's, with at least one of those LB's having man pass coverage responsibilities.
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 28, 2008, 12:24:01 PM
Again, you don't move someone to safety that's a good cover corner. It's a waste of talent. Depending on the defensive call, guys move around and fill different functions, but Sheldon Brown is a good farging cornerback, so he shouldn't be "moved" to safety.
Agreed... and with so many 3WR sets they'll see... they're all going to be on the field damn near the whole game anyway with plenty of chances to make plays. Calling someone the "starter" will be little more than semantics.
nickle package is on the field approximately 40% of the time. i heard that somewhere.
Keeping Lito would be great but in essence they would be asking a top flight player to take a back seat and these prima donas aren't likely to sit still for it. If they can't get anything for him then sure it makes sense to hold on to him, but this could escalate into a Trotter-like situation very easily so let's not get all excited just yet.
So...hold off on the Lito Boners for everyone?
lito crying about his contract is farging absurd. he hasn't lived up to the one he has now so why give him another one? make him play it out. he can always sit out and get a real job if he's that upset.
the post office is always hiring.
in today's nfl, it's ridiculous to expect a borderline all-pro player in the prime of his career (who also feels he is underpaid) to accept a backup role.
The good news is that neither Lito nor his agent have been outspoken about this, so it's not beyond repair yet.
Quote from: hunt on April 28, 2008, 01:33:29 PM
in today's nfl, it's ridiculous to expect a borderline all-pro player in the prime of his career (who also feels he is underpaid) to accept a backup role.
it might be ridiculous to expect him to accept a bench role, but no more ridiculous than him expecting a renegotiated deal after being hurt on and off for the last three years.
Quote from: Rome on April 28, 2008, 01:48:19 PM
Quote from: hunt on April 28, 2008, 01:33:29 PM
in today's nfl, it's ridiculous to expect a borderline all-pro player in the prime of his career (who also feels he is underpaid) to accept a backup role.
it might be ridiculous to expect him to accept a bench role, but no more ridiculous than him expecting a renegotiated deal after being hurt on and off for the last three years.
i agree but you know how players are....all ego.
right - they're all douchebags too but if they weren't they probably wouldn't be professional athletes either. if the eagles can't get anything for him i might think about restructuring the deal and write in some reasonably reachable incentives for him. but i wouldn't do much more than that because he's been injury prone as hell.
he has to know, though, that his bellyaching ain't gonna work with reid & banner. if he seriously expects them to renegotiate a deal, he's as stupid as the bullet in his cousin's carcas.
I think the bullet was actually smarter than the carcas.
QuoteMonday, April 28, 2008
Jacksonville interested in Lito
There's still a good possibility that Eagles cornerback Lito Sheppard will be traded before this weekend, when the Eagles will hold their post-draft minicamp.
According to league sources, Sheppard's agent, Lamont Smith, has had extensive conversations with the Jacksonville Jaguars about a possible offer for his client. The Jags, who are trying to make their defense as Peyton Manning-proof as possible, were interested in Sheppard before the draft. But their first-round trade-up with Baltimore to get defensive end Derrick Harvey cost them two third-round picks and a fourth-round selection, leaving them with just two picks in the first four rounds.
Because of that, they weren't willing to part with their second-round pick, which they spent on another defensive end, Auburn's Quentin Groves, in a deal for Sheppard.
But Smith is trying to broker a deal that would have the Jags giving the Eagles a package of '09 draft picks for Sheppard.
Asked Sunday night whether he expects Sheppard to play for the Eagles in '08, coach Andy Reid said: ``As I sit here right now, Lito is an Eagle. That's how it is, just like every other guy on this football team.
``It gives us one great opportunity for a nice secondary. The way to use him is just like we used (former Eagle cornerbacks) Bobby Taylor, Al Harris and Troy Vincent. We just rotated all of them and they were all starters in our eyes.''
here we go again with this shtein.
Unless they know for a fact that they can package those future picks for a difference-making receiver, I'd rather keep him for the year.
Here are two that I'd like to see either of in green, 'specially Heyward-Bey. There is no one player any faster in the country than this guy, and he has good size. He was redshirted as a freshman and could come out as a junoir if he has a good enough year.
Darrius Heyward-Bey-6'2" 206, 4.23 40yd. Maryland bio (http://umterps.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/heywardbey_darrius00.html)
Preston Parker. 6'0"-190 Florida State.
what bothers me about some players is A. They whine and bitch for a better contract, when they haven't proved shtein, or can't stay healthy. I understand your concerned for your momma's babies and all, but prove your worth, then bitch. Stay healthy, the bitch...
B. These guys are more concerned with their contracts than winning a super bowl. Plenty of players on SB contending teams have taken a contract reduction or waited on extended contracts because winning the big game is more important, thus helping the team use that money for extra help. This seems to be a concept unknown on the Eagles, I think maybe Runyan did it, thats it. If owning more ice and a rolls royce is more important than winning a super bowl, than get the hell off this team.
runyan signed with the eagles cause he didnt wanna move his family...dont think for a second he did it to win a superbowl...this is the players job and they should do anything and everything possible to kmake more money for themselves just like owners do...and why would you think wanting more money and wanting to win a superbowl cant be mutually exclusive...a player can ask for more money and wanna win a superbowl more than anyone...the average nfl career is like three years without guaranteed contracts and is not friendly to the human body...i dont blame any single player for trying to get caked off as much as possible...and i dont expect them to give anything to the owners nor should they
Didn't Brady restructure to make room for Moss's contract? Also, I thought Runyan did the same thing when Bwest got paid.
Quote from: shorebird on April 28, 2008, 06:00:18 PM
Didn't Brady restructure to make room for Moss's contract? Also, I thought Runyan did the same thing when Bwest got paid.
25 taterskins a year restructure their contracts....restructuring is not giving money back its just moving it around...no players are giving back money nor should they
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 28, 2008, 06:02:29 PM
Quote from: shorebird on April 28, 2008, 06:00:18 PM
Didn't Brady restructure to make room for Moss's contract? Also, I thought Runyan did the same thing when Bwest got paid.
25 taterskins a year restructure their contracts....restructuring is not giving money back its just moving it around...no players are giving back money nor should they
Duhh, I realize that, but it still is making room for other players to get paid.
Quote from: mussa on April 28, 2008, 05:49:30 PM
Plenty of players on SB contending teams have taken a contract reduction or waited on extended contracts because winning the big game is more important, thus helping the team use that money for extra help. This seems to be a concept unknown on the Eagles, I think maybe Runyan did it, thats it. If owning more ice and a rolls royce is more important than winning a super bowl, than get the hell off this team.
If you think there are two dozen players in the NFL that are playing for the "love of the game" and not the $$...then you are really really fooling yourself.
It's a business, on the owner side, and the player side. You think anyone, EVER, would sign with the cardinals or the lions if they were in it to win?
oh i understand the majority is in it for the money, no doubt, more power to them. i think we can agree they are over paid and its more of business than sport these days. all i am saying is it only takes player or two on one team to make a difference as far as opening up $ for additions to the team.
Freeing up money is not much of an issue for the eagles. Spending it is.
freeing it up from Banner's jew safe
Quote from: mussa on April 28, 2008, 07:25:46 PM
oh i understand the majority is in it for the money, no doubt, more power to them. i think we can agree they are over paid and its more of business than sport these days. all i am saying is it only takes player or two on one team to make a difference as far as opening up $ for additions to the team.
so its the players responsibility that the team have enough money to spend on players?
jesus christ you ignorant wasp its jew gold
http://wrightonjags.blogspot.com/2008/04/del-rio-denies-sheppard-reports.html
QuoteDel Rio denies Sheppard reports
The Philadelphia Daily News, citing league sources, recently reported that the agent for Eagles cornerback Lito Sheppard, was working on a deal that would send his client to Jacksonville.
I finally got in touch with the agent, Lamar Smith, who said he couldn't confirm or deny the report. No need. I spoke with Jaguars coach Jack Del Rio, who said Tuesday that the club has never even discussed the possibility of bringing in Sheppard, a Jacksonville native. In fact, Del Rio said he spoke with Philadelphia coach Andy Reid over the weekend during the NFL draft and "Lito's name wasn't mentioned."
According to the Philadelphia Daily News report, Smith is working on a plan in which the Jags would give the Eagles 2009 draft picks as compensation for Sheppard. Reid was asked after the draft Sunday if he expected Sheppard to remain an Eagle in '08.
"As I sit here right now, Lito is an Eagle," Reid told the Philadelphia Daily News. "That's how it is, just like every other guy on this football team."
Del Rio, meanwhile, viewed the report as nothing more than an agent posturing for a new deal for his client.
"We have not even discussed him in our building," Del Rio said.
Its pretty obvious Lito wants to go back to Florida since he was also rumored to the Bucs. The Jags rumor was 100% floated out there by his agent Lamar Smith.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on April 30, 2008, 07:32:32 AM
http://wrightonjags.blogspot.com/2008/04/del-rio-denies-sheppard-reports.html
QuoteDel Rio denies Sheppard reports
The Philadelphia Daily News, citing league sources, recently reported that the agent for Eagles cornerback Lito Sheppard, was working on a deal that would send his client to Jacksonville.
I finally got in touch with the agent, Lamar Smith, who said he couldn't confirm or deny the report. No need. I spoke with Jaguars coach Jack Del Rio, who said Tuesday that the club has never even discussed the possibility of bringing in Sheppard, a Jacksonville native. In fact, Del Rio said he spoke with Philadelphia coach Andy Reid over the weekend during the NFL draft and "Lito's name wasn't mentioned."
According to the Philadelphia Daily News report, Smith is working on a plan in which the Jags would give the Eagles 2009 draft picks as compensation for Sheppard. Reid was asked after the draft Sunday if he expected Sheppard to remain an Eagle in '08.
"As I sit here right now, Lito is an Eagle," Reid told the Philadelphia Daily News. "That's how it is, just like every other guy on this football team."
Del Rio, meanwhile, viewed the report as nothing more than an agent posturing for a new deal for his client.
"We have not even discussed him in our building," Del Rio said.
Its pretty obvious Lito wants to go back to Florida since he was also rumored to the Bucs. The Jags rumor was 100% floated out there by his agent Lamar Smith.
The other side of the coin is that due to the tampering rules, Del Rio can't discuss it even if he did speak with his agent. The Eagles should hold tight for a #1 pick next year or try to trade him right before the trade deadline depending on how the team is doing.
Quote from: Philly Crew on April 30, 2008, 08:20:30 AM
The Eagles should hold tight for a #1 pick next year
yeah and while they are at it trade reno for a second and chad johnson
Hold on to him, Chris Chambers went for a 2nd when SD had injuries.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 30, 2008, 08:23:33 AM
Quote from: Philly Crew on April 30, 2008, 08:20:30 AM
The Eagles should hold tight for a #1 pick next year
yeah and while they are at it trade reno for a second and chad johnson
Craziness. Since they drafted DeSean, teams know the Eagles are gonna cut Reno so unfortunately, he'll command no more than a 3rd.
Dawk doesn't think all 3 CBs together can work...Joey the Jew however, diagrees. (http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/20080501_Dawkins_likes_Lito__hates_situation.html)
Quote"I'm not sure what Brian is talking about or if he knows what exactly has happened," Banner said. "I don't really agree that three guys of this caliber can't play together. There are certainly plenty of situations where three quality players at the same position have played together. Look at Randy Moss, Wes Welker and Donté Stallworth with the Patriots last year."
yeah...the longest tenured eagle and one who knows the locker room best...HE'S the one that is probably wrong here...he's such a farging dope for bringing up the Pats wideouts. i missed it when any of them were unhappy with their contracts. in fact that situation is so opposite of what this is that is proves what a dope Banner is when he tries to talk football. stick to the spreadsheets you jerkoff.
three good receivers is EXACTLY like three good corners
I don't give a shtein if they don't quite get along or if Lito is a little unhappy. The team did well not to give a good player at a premium position away for dick.
Quote from: SunMo on May 01, 2008, 07:46:40 AM
Dawk doesn't think all 3 CBs together can work...Joey the Jew however, diagrees. (http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/20080501_Dawkins_likes_Lito__hates_situation.html)
Quote"I'm not sure what Brian is talking about or if he knows what exactly has happened," Banner said. "I don't really agree that three guys of this caliber can't play together. There are certainly plenty of situations where three quality players at the same position have played together. Look at Randy Moss, Wes Welker and Donté Stallworth with the Patriots last year."
yeah...the longest tenured eagle and one who knows the locker room best...HE'S the one that is probably wrong here...he's such a farging dope for bringing up the Pats wideouts. i missed it when any of them were unhappy with their contracts. in fact that situation is so opposite of what this is that is proves what a dope Banner is when he tries to talk football. stick to the spreadsheets you jerkoff.
this directly contradicts what reid said earlier in the year when mcnabb asked for more playmakers.
anyone else sick and tired of banner and lurie nuzzling in the bosom of kraft and the patriots...i swear to god they reference them in every statement they make....we get it that the team you really wanted was new england and the eagles are nothing more than a monotary investment but shut the hell up about it
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on April 30, 2008, 08:26:07 AM
Hold on to him, Chris Chambers went for a 2nd when SD had injuries.
This guy gets it.
The thing I dont get is how do you have the audacity to preach how things will work, give examples of other teams and paint this rosy little picture of what the Eagles situation can/will look like--and not even have communication with your former Pro-Bowl starter before or after the Samuel trade.
That makes no sense what-so-ever when you're trying to make a "business" work. While I agree with Dawk and I realize he's his buddy--he just added about 17 gallons of fuel to the fire if that really is the Eagles intentions
Quote from: reese125 on May 01, 2008, 08:43:08 AM
While I agree with Dawk and I realize he's his buddy--he just added about 17 gallons of fuel to the fire if that really is the Eagles intentions.
once again you have it backwards
the fuel on the fire was poured by banner...you cant be a front office money man and pubicly call out someone who is the unquestioned team leader and arguably the most repspected philadelphia eagle of all time...the players already feel frustrated...it is what it is...but to make things worse loud mouth douchebag banner cant keep his mouth shut and HAS to repsond to dawkins in the paper....big mistake
if the players in the locker room are upset over management adding samuel, then the team is far worse off than i ever thought.
no one is upset about it except maybe Lito
Dawk was asked a question on whether is could work with all 3 of them, he gave is honest opinon...and Banner shtein all over it because he thinks he knows more about football and the locker room than Dawk does.
banner rules.
Quote from: SunMo on May 01, 2008, 08:58:04 AM
no one is upset about it except maybe Lito
Dawk was asked a question on whether is could work with all 3 of them, he gave is honest opinon...and Banner shtein all over it because he thinks he knows more about football and the locker room than Dawk does.
Banner should shtein all over it. As of now, it is in the team's best interest to figure out a way for Samuel, Brown, and Sheppard to coexist and help the team win in 2008. Dawkins should not be talking to the media about how difficult it's going to be to get these multi-millionaires to play nice. It's a cop out and a bunch of horseshtein.
don't be an idiot...the guy was asked a question and he answered it honestly...
for anybody to be blaming Dawkins for anything now is a complete moron.
Quote from: FastFreddie on May 01, 2008, 07:50:12 AM
I don't give a shtein if they don't quite get along or if Lito is a little unhappy. The team did well not to give a good player at a premium position away for dick.
Bingo-bango.
Quit bitching, do your job.
farging divas.
yeah that worked out so well when TO was unhappy.
farging dopes have a short memory
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 01, 2008, 08:50:14 AM
Quote from: reese125 on May 01, 2008, 08:43:08 AM
While I agree with Dawk and I realize he's his buddy--he just added about 17 gallons of fuel to the fire if that really is the Eagles intentions.
once again you have it backwards
the fuel on the fire was poured by banner...you cant be a front office money man and pubicly call out someone who is the unquestioned team leader and arguably the most repspected philadelphia eagle of all time...the players already feel frustrated...it is what it is...but to make things worse loud mouth douchebag banner cant keep his mouth shut and HAS to repsond to dawkins in the paper....big mistake
wrong...while that's all well and good that Dawkins is respected they can talk in Banners office. Any time any player dives into someone else's contract situation or comments publicly like that--you are starting a media frenzy which then pours over to the locker room. We all know it's bad...Dawkins cant say, "No comment." Cmon.
I mean---do we really have to continue to go through this bullshtein every single season.
I think the difference between TO and Lito is about as wide as the difference between IGY and rjs.
i love it
Brian Dawkins = bad guy
Joe Banner = good guy
Quote from: SunMo on May 01, 2008, 09:01:46 AM
don't be an idiot...the guy was asked a question and he answered it honestly...
for anybody to be blaming Dawkins for anything now is a complete moron.
I'm just blaming you idiots for coming down hard on Banner. If Dawkins should be answering questions like this honestly in the press, then Banner should be doing his part to handle the fallout as best he can.
You iceholes find any excuse to hate on the pencil pusher for ever speaking as the public face of the organization. The fact is that Lito on the team gives the Eagles the best chance to win this year, and the team should be doing everything in its power to calm the situation down so that it can work out on and off the field in 2008.
By the way, the team that traded away a good player for a 2nd round pick mid-season finished 1-15. I can't think of any examples of a competitive team trading a key player and getting any kind of value in return mid-season. The only way trading Lito can improve the team at this point is if they get an impact player in return. That'll happen when me shtein turns purple and smells like rainbow sherbet.
Quote from: FastFreddie on May 01, 2008, 09:00:24 AM
Quote from: SunMo on May 01, 2008, 08:58:04 AM
no one is upset about it except maybe Lito
Dawk was asked a question on whether is could work with all 3 of them, he gave is honest opinon...and Banner shtein all over it because he thinks he knows more about football and the locker room than Dawk does.
Banner should shtein all over it. As of now, it is in the team's best interest to figure out a way for Samuel, Brown, and Sheppard to coexist and help the team win in 2008. Dawkins should not be talking to the media about how difficult it's going to be to get these multi-millionaires to play nice. It's a cop out and a bunch of horseshtein.
I completely agree with this. I don't like Joe Banner even a little, but Banner is exactly right here. Banners comment were trying to put out the fire that Dawkins comments could have started.
Quote from: SunMo on May 01, 2008, 09:01:46 AM
don't be an idiot...the guy was asked a question and he answered it honestly...
for anybody to be blaming Dawkins for anything now is a complete moron.
your face is a complete moron.
Quote from: SunMo on May 01, 2008, 09:06:55 AM
i love it
Brian Dawkins = bad guy
Joe Banner = good guy
unbelievable isnt it...ff i can understand cause hes a money grubbing management lover but i cant believe other people are actually siding with banner
Quote from: FastFreddie on May 01, 2008, 09:09:30 AM
Quote from: SunMo on May 01, 2008, 09:01:46 AM
don't be an idiot...the guy was asked a question and he answered it honestly...
for anybody to be blaming Dawkins for anything now is a complete moron.
I'm just blaming you idiots for coming down hard on Banner. If Dawkins should be answering questions like this honestly in the press, then Banner should be doing his part to handle the fallout as best he can.
this is where youre confused...banner should not be talking period to the press EVER about on the field or in the lockeroom matters....the analogy he made with new englands wr's is a perfect example of why he shouldnt...
i dont even think andy should call out dawkins in the paper but if he did it i could sort of understand it...but for joe farging banner to call out brians dawkins is as sickening as it gets...in fact except when dawk was renogotiating his contract banner should never speak to him period
and what fallout are you talking about...the locker room is already pissed about this...this is nothing new its been going on with the eagles for years...if you think banner is reacting to something that just came up yesterday youre nuts...in fact banner speaking to the media is what will fan the flames...you think some in the locker room were unhappy with litos handling before what do you think their reaction to nerd ass penny pinching banner calling out dawk will be...like i said the players respect andy and if he did it then thats one thing but banner needs to go in a hole and never come out again
brians!
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 01, 2008, 09:20:30 AM
banner should not be talking period to the press EVER about on the field or in the lockeroom matters....
Neither should Dawkins.
Banner should talk about banner, and business stuff.
Dawkins should talk about dawkins. And not call out his teammates and employer.
Lito is the smartest one here, he hasnt said anything...which is exactly the way it should be
Quote from: FastFreddie on May 01, 2008, 09:09:30 AM
Quote from: SunMo on May 01, 2008, 09:01:46 AM
don't be an idiot...the guy was asked a question and he answered it honestly...
for anybody to be blaming Dawkins for anything now is a complete moron.
I'm just blaming you idiots for coming down hard on Banner. If Dawkins should be answering questions like this honestly in the press, then Banner should be doing his part to handle the fallout as best he can.
any fallout is from a team leader and PLAYER in the locker room speaking about other PLAYERS in the locker room. the dopey pencil pusher has no clue about what goes on in the locker room and how Lito being unhappy will effect others. so when Dawkins says it is possible it could work in other situations, but not here, he's talking from his experience with this locker room and what he knows about the players inside. joe banner doesn't have the first clue about that shtein.
Quote from: Wingspan on May 01, 2008, 09:28:25 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 01, 2008, 09:20:30 AM
banner should not be talking period to the press EVER about on the field or in the lockeroom matters....
Neither should Dawkins.
Banner should talk about banner, and business stuff.
Dawkins should talk about dawkins. And not call out his teammates and employer.
Lito is the smartest one here, he hasnt said anything...which is exactly the way it should be
i think dawkins as the team leader is talking for lito and perhaps for the team as a whole
So, it's clear that the overblown anti-Banner feelings just can't be put aside to actually look at this situation from a "what's best for the 2008 Eagles?" perspective. That's not a surprise at all.
The hilarious thing is that I hate Joe Banner. He's a complete douche. I also love Brian Dawkins. Yet, because I can look at this situation without emotion, I'm a money-grubbing management lover. Right.
Quote from: Wingspan on May 01, 2008, 09:28:25 AM
Banner should talk about banner, and business stuff.
Dawkins should talk about dawkins. And not call out his teammates and employer.
Lito is the smartest one here, he hasnt said anything...which is exactly the way it should be
To add even more proof, I completely agree with Wingspan. In case you morons (IGY and SunMo, specifically) don't know this already, I think Wingspan is a fagwad(!) and I disagree with him on the regular.
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 01, 2008, 09:46:26 AM
Quote from: Wingspan on May 01, 2008, 09:28:25 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 01, 2008, 09:20:30 AM
banner should not be talking period to the press EVER about on the field or in the lockeroom matters....
Neither should Dawkins.
Banner should talk about banner, and business stuff.
Dawkins should talk about dawkins. And not call out his teammates and employer.
Lito is the smartest one here, he hasnt said anything...which is exactly the way it should be
i think dawkins as the team leader is talking for lito and perhaps for the team as a whole
As the team leader he should be looking for a way to mend the situation...not create more bad blood over it.
Quote from: FastFreddie on May 01, 2008, 10:01:27 AM
So, it's clear that the overblown anti-Banner feelings just can't be put aside to actually look at this situation from a "what's best for the 2008 Eagles?" perspective. That's not a surprise at all.
The hilarious thing is that I hate Joe Banner. He's a complete douche. I also love Brian Dawkins. Yet, because I can look at this situation without emotion, I'm a money-grubbing management lover. Right.
Quote from: Wingspan on May 01, 2008, 09:28:25 AM
Banner should talk about banner, and business stuff.
Dawkins should talk about dawkins. And not call out his teammates and employer.
Lito is the smartest one here, he hasnt said anything...which is exactly the way it should be
To add even more proof, I completely agree with Wingspan. In case you morons (IGY and SunMo, specifically) don't know this already, I think Wingspan is a fagwad(!) and I disagree with him on the regular.
You finally made me laugh.
Quote from: Wingspan on May 01, 2008, 10:06:57 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 01, 2008, 09:46:26 AM
Quote from: Wingspan on May 01, 2008, 09:28:25 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 01, 2008, 09:20:30 AM
banner should not be talking period to the press EVER about on the field or in the lockeroom matters....
Neither should Dawkins.
Banner should talk about banner, and business stuff.
Dawkins should talk about dawkins. And not call out his teammates and employer.
Lito is the smartest one here, he hasnt said anything...which is exactly the way it should be
i think dawkins as the team leader is talking for lito and perhaps for the team as a whole
As the team leader he should be looking for a way to mend the situation...not create more bad blood over it.
im sure he has...from all accounts he talks to andy quite a bit...i think this is the frustration of the team as a whole coming out...and their leader is trying to get the situation resolved...lito isnt playing here this year so get something done...the eagles painted themselves into this corner and dawk is basically saying its not good for the team and if we wanna be successful this year stop jerking a player around and get him moved
but thats neither here nor there and im not even arguing as to whether dawk should have spoken up or not...but the fact is players and coaches talk to the media every day in every sport...its how the business works....on the other hand salary cap "experts" never call out team leaders and thats the major problem here....banner is not a people person and shouldnt be talking to people much less dawkins...and forget the battle hes gonna lose in the locker room banner shouldnt do it beause hes also gonna get murdered in the public opinion polls as well...choose your battles wisely and going after dawk is not wise
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 01, 2008, 09:20:30 AM
this is where youre confused...banner should not be talking period to the press EVER about on the field or in the lockeroom matters....the analogy he made with new englands wr's is a perfect example of why he shouldnt...
I agree 100% with this, Banner should stick to balance sheets.
I also agree with what he said, but because it came from his mouth and not Andy or Tom's it holds no bearing. Banner should really watch what he says to the press, if everyday fans know he's not much more than a CPA who just happens to work for the Eagles then you know damn well the players realize this too.
Quote from: SunMo on May 01, 2008, 09:06:55 AM
i love it
Brian Dawkins = bad guy
Joe Banner = good guy
No they're both idiots and neither of them should be talking about this to the media. Dawkins should have the ability and the wherewithall to just kep his yap shut about something that doesn't involve him, but apparently he's just a dumb jock like every other profesional athlete. Banner is a corporate money whore assnerd who shouldn't be allowed out of his mother's basement. Neither one should ever be in a position to speak to a member of the media ever. But here we are. Hooray for bullshtein!
It's farging May. Who cares who said what.
They should get on the field and play the damn game and stop with the soap opera bull shtein and shame on whomever stirs the pot to keep this days of our lives as the world fargs crap going...
Quote from: rjs246 on May 01, 2008, 10:25:50 AM
Quote from: SunMo on May 01, 2008, 09:06:55 AM
i love it
Brian Dawkins = bad guy
Joe Banner = good guy
Dawkins should have the ability and the wherewithall to just kep his yap shut about something that doesn't involve him
it absolutely involves dawk...its his team and he sees it being hurt by all this so he feels that he has some repsonsibilty in seeing that his locker room and the players in it are conducive to being successful on the field this year...and he clearly feels as tho this isnt going to work and that the team needs to get its ass in order and move lito sooner rather than later...i suspect hes gone to andy more than once to tell him this and once the draft passed without lito being moved he felt as tho he needed to step out and go public
Why? What positive thing could possibly come of that? Seriously. What good would that ever do the team to 'go public' with SOMEONE ELSE'S contract dispute? It's idiocy. If Dawkins feels like its effecting the team, fine. Talk to the people in charge not the farging media. Give me a break.
the fact that anybody finds anything wrong with what Dawkins does still baffles me.
oh my goodness, he's standing up for his friend and teammate! what a farging icehole!
.
Quote from: rjs246 on May 01, 2008, 10:40:03 AM
Why? What positive thing could possibly come of that? Seriously. What good would that ever do the team to 'go public' with SOMEONE ELSE'S contract dispute?
he didnt say one thing about the contract...he didnt say pay lito more or that the team is cheap...hes saying on the field and in the locker room its not going to work...and if anyone would know it would be brian dawkins
basically your argument is that no player should ever speak to the media again unless its about an actual game...and while that notion is ridiculously unrealistic its also something that cant be debated
Quote from: SunMo on May 01, 2008, 10:46:12 AM
the fact that anybody finds anything wrong with what Dawkins does still baffles me.
oh my goodness, he's standing up for his friend and teammate! what a farging icehole!
He wasn't even doing that. He didn't say who was at fault or how the team should support Lito. He only said that Lito's going to be unhappy. That doesn't do anything constructive.
By the way, Asante Samuel is Dawkins' teammate also.
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 01, 2008, 10:47:44 AM
basically your argument is that no player should ever speak to the media again unless its about an actual game...and while that notion is ridiculously unrealistic its also something that cant be debated
That's exactly what my argument is and I will never ever stop hoping for it to happen.
Quote from: Wingspan on May 01, 2008, 10:08:01 AM
Quote from: FastFreddie on May 01, 2008, 10:01:27 AM
So, it's clear that the overblown anti-Banner feelings just can't be put aside to actually look at this situation from a "what's best for the 2008 Eagles?" perspective. That's not a surprise at all.
The hilarious thing is that I hate Joe Banner. He's a complete douche. I also love Brian Dawkins. Yet, because I can look at this situation without emotion, I'm a money-grubbing management lover. Right.
Quote from: Wingspan on May 01, 2008, 09:28:25 AM
Banner should talk about banner, and business stuff.
Dawkins should talk about dawkins. And not call out his teammates and employer.
Lito is the smartest one here, he hasnt said anything...which is exactly the way it should be
To add even more proof, I completely agree with Wingspan. In case you morons (IGY and SunMo, specifically) don't know this already, I think Wingspan is a fagwad(!) and I disagree with him on the regular.
You finally made me laugh.
hahaha - times two.
Quote from: FastFreddie on May 01, 2008, 10:54:09 AM
By the way, Asante Samuel is Dawkins' teammate also.
asante samuel isnt going to be a problem on the team...hes irrelevant in all this and hes also not one of dawks best friends
one of the major problems the team made and its why i believe dawk is most upset is the way they have jerked lito in all this...naming samuel the starter in litos spot the day they signed him...then basically letting lito know he was gone and not a part of the team anymore...now asking him to come back and take part in mini camps n shtein and try and presumably try and steal his best friend on the teams job...
its the god complex thing again...thinking they can turn shtein into gold without a problem...just like they thought they could trade lito for exactly what they wanted as if no team was on the other side of the deal...they need to give it up and deal him for a 3rd round pick and get this over with
i dont think its anything big. you guys are overblowing it.
dawksins said what he said which i dont find to be wrong. we all know lito is unhappy and thus it will probably not work. dawkins is telling us what we all know. if anything this just proves they will not keep him unless andy has a talk with lito like he did with trotter.
banner is doing what he does. FO mouthpiece trying to paint everything rosy. he shouldnt be the one but really what difference does it make if he says it or andy. same BS.
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 01, 2008, 07:48:49 AM
three good receivers is EXACTLY like three good corners
Totally, I mean teams run 3, 4 and 5 corners our on the field at the same time, all the time!
How do you GAMEPLAN for that?
Answer: ....you can't
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 01, 2008, 11:04:14 AM
they need to give it up and deal him for a 3rd round pick and get this over with
That's one of the worst ideas you've had in a while.
That's impressive.
continuing to overvalue is even more impressive
they definitely can get 3 #1 picks...keep hope alive!
I said all along they wouldn't get more than a mid-2nd for him. I rightfully mocked people that thought the Rams might trade #33 for him. However, indications are that the Eagles were offered that kind of value (a mid 2) for him and turned it down. So, turning down a 2008 2nd round pick but taking a 2009 3rd round pick would be a truly awful idea.
While it's much more fun and interesting to assume there's a huge controversy and that there is no possible way Lito will be able to suit up for the Eagles this season, there's a lot more smoke than fire. Lito and his agent haven't come out and said anything, and Reid HAS said that he wants to sort things out with Sheppard. So, while the situation is potentially problematic, it can still be mitigated. However, comments like the ones made by Dawkins directly contradict the goals of the team and are harmful.
Should Joe Banner be the guy to do damage control? Maybe not. Maybe it should have been Reid or Lurie instead. But like him or not, he is a responsible party within the front office, and in this particular case, his opinion is the one on the side of the Eagles being better in 2008.
Im telling you guys...that horse will not wake up....it's gone man
Never say never. They did manage to get a 2 for Feeley. Personally, I think the Eagles should plan on keeping him for the year, and hope some quality corner on Detroit or Arizona blows out his knee in training camp. If I were running things, I'd consider throwing Lito some sort of bone on the contract front to generates some good faith and keep the whining to a minimum. I don't really care if Lito likes it all that much...I mean, he did just sign a long term deal and can dog it. I think the dogging it thing can be eliminated if he thinks he's essentially playing for a new deal.
Quote from: reese125 on May 01, 2008, 12:31:02 PM
Im telling you guys...that horse will not wake up....it's gone man
You should take your own advice more often.
agree
Well, that about does it, then.
(http://www.mul-t-lock-online.net/site%20pics/c%20series%20padlock.jpg)
someone said something correct in the last few pages...
Lito is doing right by keeping his mouth shut.
This is true, and makes me hope all the more that they find a way to keep him and play him.
unless they have a serious sit down and talk then give him more money he aint playing for them....theres no point in even entertaining the thought that he will play as is...
caller on wip just brought up an interesting scenario...maybe the eagles are gonna cut dawkins...hes ancient and is now calling out the front office...not exactly a combination that bodes well for him....its almost inconcievable that they would do this as the PR hit would be off the charts but i woudl never put anything past banner
There's a 0% chance they'd cut Dawkins. Even greedy jews aren't that dumb.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on May 02, 2008, 08:59:45 AM
There's a 0% chance they'd cut Dawkins. Even greedy jews aren't that dumb.
^^^^
it is entirely possible that these millionaire jocks will be find a way to get along
to say it's out of the question is to pretend you know something and well, you don't
we'll see what happens. I'm glad Lito is smart enough to keep his mouth shut
it has nothing to do with the players getting along and everything to do with the way lito has been treated by the team and his current contract numbers...lito wasnt happy last year with his deal...you think after the samuel signing and getting jerked around since then is going to make him more conducive to playing this year for the eagles or less?
i think you don't know anything and I'm tired of your stupid fights
all three are grown men, all well paid
I think it can be worked out.
but hey, maybe I'm wrong.
i am white afterall
and like vigy I volunteer to help the blacks
i'm super awesom
dont forget crybaby
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v281/rocky337/c6129a83e8.jpg)
give 'em a bottle of Henny and send vigy in to save the day, it'll be aiight
yes, yes, no, yes, no, yes, yes and hell yes!
dawkins is now calling out the FO? wow some ppl really have nothing to do but blow up these stories.
Im hoping this cat shows up
Paul Domowitch: Doing an about-face on Eagles cornerback Sheppard
By Paul Domowitch
Philadelphia Daily News
Daily News Sports Columnist
LIKE THE VACUUM cleaner I once bought my wife for her birthday too many years ago, it seemed like a good idea at the time.
Six weeks ago, shortly after the Eagles signed Asante Samuel and gave every indication that Lito Sheppard would be on the next train out of town, I offered the boys at One NovaCare Way some unsolicited advice.
I suggested they should keep Sheppard. I suggested that the pluses of a cornerback foursome that would include both Samuel and Sheppard, as well as Sheldon Brown and Joselio Hanson, far outweighed the pluses of getting rid of yet another malcontent who doesn't think his contract has enough zeroes.
I suggested that Sheppard ultimately would keep his mouth shut and play hard out of respect for his good friend, free safety Brian Dawkins, who, at 34, is running out of Super Bowl opportunities.
In retrospect, that probably was a little naive of me. Cut through all the bullbleep and the truth is, football is first and foremost a business for players. And in business, money trumps everything, including friendships and Super Bowls.
When even Dawkins is expressing doubt that the Eagles can keep Sheppard and make it work this season, as he did yesterday in an interview with Comcast SportsNet, well, that's enough to convince me.
"Could it work? It could possibly work," he said. "Anything can work. I just don't know what [lito's] mind-set is. That's the thing about it. You don't know what he's thinking."
For weeks, the Eagles hinted that Sheppard would be traded no later than the draft. Club president Joe Banner spoke of several "very significant" offers the Eagles had received for Sheppard. Then, on draft day, they started singing a very different tune.
"We'll see how it goes," coach Andy Reid said on Saturday, after the first two rounds came and went without a deal for Lito. "There's still some people interested. But he's a good football player. I'm not just going to give him away. That's not what I'm going to do here."
By Sunday, Sheppard's agent, Lamont Smith, who has been trying since February to find suitors for the two-time Pro Bowl corner, was on the phone to the Jacksonville Jaguars, seeing if they might be willing to do something. But Sheppard's poor play last season, along with his injury history, along with his desire for a new contract, made him a tough sell for the Jags and everybody else. At least for anything above a third-round pick.
How is this going to play out? Well, we'll have a little better idea tomorrow morning when the Eagles take the field at the NovaCare Complex for their first minicamp practice. Will Lito show up for the mandatory camp? Will he talk about his situation? Stay tuned.
This much is clear: This is not the kind of disruption a team with Super Bowl ambitions needs right now. Lito won't turn his contract situation into the circus that Terrell Owens did a few years back. But he's always needed ideal circumstances to be at his best. He's never played well hurt and it's doubtful he'll play well with a bruised psyche and a contract he doesn't want.
Throw in the fact that Brian Westbrook also isn't happy with his contract, and that Brown, who signed a long-term extension about the same time as his pal Sheppard, also thinks he is underpaid, and well, it could get interesting. And I don't mean that in a good way.
There is an obvious solution to all of this, of course. According to league sources, the Eagles, who currently have 78 players under contract, are $9.517 million under the league salary cap.
Subtract the salaries of the 25 players they're going to have to cut by the season opener, add the approximately $6 million in cap money they're going to spend to sign their draft choices, and you end up in August with a pretty healthy $12 million to $13 million in cap space, which might be enough to do contract extensions for Westbrook, Sheppard and Brown. Or at least Westbrook and Sheppard.
Talk to them now and tell them you'll sit down with their agents in September or October and try to hammer out extensions then, once you know how much cap room you have to play with.
Maybe that's what will happen. Maybe hell will freeze over too.
For now, the Eagles are insisting that, by golly, the idea of a secondary that includes Samuel and Brown and Sheppard might just be swell after all, even if Dawkins disagrees.
"It gives us one great opportunity for a nice secondary," Reid said last weekend. "The way to use them is just like we used Bobby Taylor, Al Harris and Troy Vincent. We just rotated all of them and they were all starters in our eyes. Just let them play. That's the way I look at this secondary." *
Quote"Could it work? It could possibly work," [Dawkins] said. "Anything can work. I just don't know what [lito's] mind-set is. That's the thing about it. You don't know what he's thinking."
Dawkins is a dirty, bold-faced, hooker-mouthed liar.
IGY knows exactly what Lito is thinking.
dawk said hes one of his best friends...if you dont think he knows exactly what lito is thinking then shame on you...why do you think he came out yesterday and told everyone it wouldnt work
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 02, 2008, 12:39:44 PM
dawk said hes one of his best friends...if you dont think he knows exactly what lito is thinking then shame on you...why do you think he came out yesterday and told everyone it wouldnt work
Wrong.
He said on Mike Missinelli's show that he did not know what Lito was thinking, only that
if it were him, that he would not be happy about it. He also said, in the same interview...that he had only communication with Lito a few times this offseason by text message.
The rest is pointless speculation.
Don't take my word for it...listen to the interview for your self. (http://950espn.com/Audio/tabid/183/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/933/Eagles-Safety-Brian-Dawkins.aspx)
thats him backtracking because of the controversy his comments yesterday brought up...read his quotes from the original article and its clear that hes speaking for lito without saying this is what lito thinks as a means of protecting him
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 02, 2008, 12:53:22 PM
thats him backtracking because of the controversy his comments yesterday brought up...read his quotes from the original article and its clear that hes speaking for lito without saying this is what lito thinks as a means of protecting him
Wrong again.
That interview was from Wednesday. The article on thursday came from that interview.
Ill take an audio clip over a quote in this city any day
Jesus christ am I sick of this conversation.
Quote from: Wingspan on May 02, 2008, 12:54:34 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 02, 2008, 12:53:22 PM
thats him backtracking because of the controversy his comments yesterday brought up...read his quotes from the original article and its clear that hes speaking for lito without saying this is what lito thinks as a means of protecting him
Wrong again.
That interview was from Wednesday. The article on thursday came from that interview.
the interview confirms it even more...dawk says hes talked to lito and then mikey miss asks if lito is ok with the situation and you dawk pause then a slight babble then he says well I wouldnt be fine with it...and i dont wanna speak for him...he never says i dont know what hes thinking or he hasnt told me what hes thinking...
and none of his quotes from the original print article are from that interview
i had forgotten that westbrook felt underpaid.
they should re do him first or immediately.
i hope westbrook holds out in camp just so he can rest up and at the same time get these clowns to pay him. but mainly so he doesnt get hurt in camp.
that's a joke right
Quote from: Magical_Retard on May 02, 2008, 01:23:27 PM
i had forgotten that westbrook felt underpaid.
they should re do him first or immediately.
i hope westbrook holds out in camp just so he can rest up and at the same time get these clowns to pay him. but mainly so he doesnt get hurt in camp.
for that exact reason westbrook gets the least reps of any player on the team in camp...he literally runs with the first team for a handful of plays at the start of practice then catches punts and thats pretty much all he does on a daily basis
i have no doubt that westbrook gets taken care of in september or october. he's outplayed his deal by a mile, and to keep peace in the locker room, they have to cake his ass.
lito, on the other hand, why the farg would the players on the team support him getting a raise? when it gets right down to it the players respect production on the field more than anything and he hasn't produced nearly enough. other than in a general sense about all players being paid more, i can't see why anyone would go to bat for him in this case.
westbrook? hell yeah. he might be the most underpaid player in the nfl right now. lito? come on . . .
i agree on lito no way is he a candidate to get re done...but how do you know the players on the team support him getting more money...i havent seen or heard anything to indicate that...if they are upset about anything it would be the way hes been jerked around
totally agree on westbrook...hes not just the #1 eagle to be given a raise but probably the #1 guy in the nfl
i also think l.j. gets done too. i'm not saying he's worth it but his signing the franchise tender goes a long way with banner in the "you wash our back, we'll wash yours" department.
they will have to wait until the roster shakes out, though, hence the september/october thing.
oh, and i wouldn't doubt for a second that a longterm veteran gets the hook before then either. they do it every year to keep the players scared for their jobs.
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 02, 2008, 01:28:14 PM
for that exact reason westbrook gets the least reps of any player on the team in camp...he literally runs with the first team for a handful of plays at the start of practice then catches punts and thats pretty much all he does on a daily basis
Christ.
Yet we still decide not to use him in the Greenbay game.
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 02, 2008, 01:57:27 PM
iif they are upset about anything it would be the way hes been jerked around
Huh? He signed a deal early and enjoyed the signing bonus. Now he is hurt and the Eagles bring in a pro-bowl CB and he is being jerked around? How about beat out Sheldon and stay healthy for the year.
As for L.J. and the rest of these jokers, it feels like this is a make or break year. If Donovan goes down or they don't make the playoffs, then let L.J., Dawk, Runyan and Tra go and rebuild for Kolb or another QB.
nothing says rebuild with a young qb like new unproven tackles
Quote from: SunMo on May 02, 2008, 02:35:43 PM
nothing says rebuild with a young qb like new unproven tackles
Scott Young is the future of the tackle position
i hope a deadly fire is the future of your life
Quote from: methdeez on May 02, 2008, 02:24:33 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 02, 2008, 01:28:14 PM
for that exact reason westbrook gets the least reps of any player on the team in camp...he literally runs with the first team for a handful of plays at the start of practice then catches punts and thats pretty much all he does on a daily basis
Christ.
Yet we still decide not to use him in the Greenbay game.
pretty amazing isnt it...when i used to go to camp id get pretty excited when hed catch punts thinking maybe they will use him this year...then i realized a couple years ago they have him do it to simply to give him something to do in practice
Quote from: Philly Crew on May 02, 2008, 02:32:21 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 02, 2008, 01:57:27 PM
iif they are upset about anything it would be the way hes been jerked around
Huh? He signed a deal early and enjoyed the signing bonus. Now he is hurt and the Eagles bring in a pro-bowl CB and he is being jerked around? How about beat out Sheldon and stay healthy for the year.
who says samuel is better than lito or for that matter even sheldon...lito and sheldon are pretty damn good corners and for reid to give samuel litos spot before even a single day of mini camp is a slap in his face
http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/dneagles/Litos_Coming_This_Ought_to_Be_Fun.html
QuoteSheppard coming to minicamp
Strong indications are that Lito Sheppard does indeed plan to attend the Eagles' mandatory minicamp this weekend.
Sheppard has been awaiting a trade that has not occurred and does not seem imminent. He could be fined if he were to sit out the minicamp, the only mandatory gathering for veterans until training camp starts in late July, but players trying to force trades or get contracts revised often use minicamp attendance as leverage. Although Eagles coach Andy Reid hinted last weekend that a revision of Sheppard's contract isn't out of the question, no such discussions are known to have taken place.
Reid said he would speak to the two-time Pro Bowl corner this week. Sheppard is unhappy with the contract extension he signed in 2004 that locks him up through 2011 at much less money than top corners now make, including Asante Samuel, signed by the Birds as a free agent, presumably to replace Sheppard.
Even if Sheppard continues to work under the contract he dislikes, Eagles defensive coordinator Jim Johnson faces the difficult task of finding suitable roles for Samuel, Sheppard, and longtime starter Sheldon Brown.
Brown has not returned calls seeking comment.
So far, the Lito situation has been much less of a circus than another salary dispute with a high-profile player a few years back. Remember that guy? Here's a bit of satire from The Onion, hypothesizing that player's reaction to his current team taking on a guy who's a bit of a character risk. (Sniff, sniff ... "That's my cornerback!")
non starter since he would be fined for missing it
the big question is does he attend the voluntary mini's
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 01, 2008, 05:10:48 PM
perhaps you could explain sd's reasons for "disliking" it as well since you seem to be so in tune with other peoples minds
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 02, 2008, 03:13:07 PM
the big question is does he attend the voluntary mini's
I know I wouldn't.
since when did voluntary become mendatory?
Eskin just reported Lito has shown up to camp
Only you idiots could make him SHOWING UP a big deal. Idiots.
I was more impressed that Dawkins and Banner were going to have a street fight after just one page.
did you see/hear lito's impromptu press conference? everyone asked him about the contract and/or meeting with reid.
what did spadaro ask? "so, lito, how about all those awesome new additions?"
:-D
Quote from: Rome on May 02, 2008, 09:12:52 PM
did you see/hear lito's impromptu press conference? everyone asked him about the contract and/or meeting with reid.
what did spadaro ask? "so, lito, how about all those awesome new additions?"
:-D
youre burying the lead...what did he have to say about the contract
Doesn't sound like much of substance was said, based on the ESPN report. (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3379147)
lito is good peoples...the team needs to do him right
they did four years ago, dummy.
"In the situation I'm in, you have to look at the positive side of it," Sheppard said. "That's just my nature. I'm probably the least controversial person in this world. I just want to continue to do that."
Straight class--love it.
im not even necessarily saying money..move him for god sakes...let him get with another team sooner rather than later...dont farg him by trading him in august...he should not spend one minute in any camp after this weekend
Im not worried about Lito's future with another team and neither should you--unless you plan on being his agent
All I care about is he plays for the Eagles this year--and plays well
the eagles can't renegotiate his contract until at least september because they don't know how the roster is going to shake out. so that leaves them with two choices:
1. trade him now for peanuts.
2. convince him to play it out with an agreement that if he produces they're amend the contact at some point in the future.
Quote from: General_Failure on May 02, 2008, 04:03:30 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 02, 2008, 03:13:07 PM
the big question is does he attend the voluntary mini's
I know I wouldn't.
did you pause and/or babble when you were typing that? It could be construed as something malicious if you did!
Lito and Westbrook need to be paid. There's no debate in that at all.
And I go back to that article that SD posted awhile back where a "source" was quoted as saying that Lito didn't want to be paid like a free agent, only have his deal sweetened.
So the Eagles need to make it happen so, like Andy said, they can use Samuel, Brown and Sheppard like the other three.
f everyone. sh happens. oops. lets go. anyone wants some you got it.
lol
Matty with the Munson posting :-D And you know matty drank 25x's more, and still types better
Based on some of his other posts, I'm seriously doubting that was phatty. Just sayin'.
no shtein.
Sheldon Brown (http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/dneagles/What_Donovan_Said_What_Donovan_Meant.html) said over this weekend.. "I think it'll be great,'' he said. Having two Pro Bowlers.(We've) put in some new schemes. If we can make it run and make it work, it'll be a very productive year.'"
I wonder if he cleared that with dawkins first.
oh, i get it Wing, Sheldon's opinion is valid to you because it's a positive one...Dawkins is not because it wasn't an Eagles-green glasses view of things...
super
Quote from: SunMo on May 04, 2008, 08:10:22 PM
oh, i get it Wing, Sheldon's opinion is valid to you because it's a positive one...Dawkins is not because it wasn't an Eagles-green glasses view of things...
super
Oh..both
opinions are valid. I never said anything to the contrary.
But 2 days ago, Dawkins was so in tune with his teammates and what they were thinking.
I want all three to stay...however it's obvious from the picture that there is no way they can ever get a long.
(http://media.philly.com/images/050408_eagl.jpg)
first you post a quote from sheldon saying IF it works it would be good to have three great corners (duh? if it worked there isnt anyone who wouldnt think having corners like that would be a good thing)
the you post a picture of lito and samuel talking as proof of what exactly (the players getting along was never an issue and no one ever said it was...its all about the front office and litos relationship)
you are really reaching and basically just stating the obvious or making up stuff to prove what exactly?
(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w99/Dawkamaniak/25859.jpg)
(http://assets.philadelphiaeagles.com/uploads/photo/thumbs/25908.jpg)
Lito is IceGrillin Asante
lol
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 04, 2008, 08:35:26 PM
first you post a quote from sheldon saying IF it works it would be good to have three great corners (duh? if it worked there isnt anyone who wouldnt think having corners like that would be a good thing)
the you post a picture of lito and samuel talking as proof of what exactly (the players getting along was never an issue and no one ever said it was...its all about the front office and litos relationship)
you are really reaching and basically just stating the obvious or making up stuff to prove what exactly?
Only to prove how stupid it is to even argue about. The only reason this is even a topic right now is your constant infatuation of everything joe banner has to say.
(http://assets.philadelphiaeagles.com/uploads/photo/thumbs/25907.jpg)
it's not infatuation when the guy constantly interjects his opinion where he shouldn't
Quote from: SunMo on May 04, 2008, 09:21:25 PM
it's not infatuation when the guy constantly interjects his opinion where he shouldn't
Like Dawkins did last week...got it.
the fact that you equate the two show how far you will actually go with your obsession to defend Joe Banner.
you obviously have some sort of mancrush on him.
Quote from: Wingspan on May 04, 2008, 08:07:33 PM
Sheldon Brown (http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/dneagles/What_Donovan_Said_What_Donovan_Meant.html) said over this weekend.. "I think it'll be great,'' he said. Having two Pro Bowlers.(We've) put in some new schemes. If we can make it run and make it work, it'll be a very productive year.'"
I wonder if he cleared that with dawkins first.
QuoteEagles | S. Brown unhappy with team
Sat, 3 May 2008 13:47:57 -0700
Nick Fierro, of the Trenton Times, reports Philadelphia Eagles CB Sheldon Brown is angry with the way the team has handled their offseason moves, according to a source. Brown was unhappy with the team's signing of CB Asante Samuel and was angered over he and CB Lito Sheppard being "lied to" by head coach Andy Reid over an unspecified issue. Brown believes most of the players are unhappy with the message the team sent by trading their first-round pick in 2008 for an extra first-round pick in the 2009 NFL Draft.
so wait..is Sheldon a bad guy now Wing?
aahhh...the old "according to a source" trick.
Quote from: SunMo on May 04, 2008, 09:59:55 PM
the fact that you equate the two show how far you will actually go with your obsession to defend Joe Banner.
you obviously have some sort of mancrush on him.
Wrong. I don't think I have ever defended Joe Banner.
I am not the one who brings him up. What Banner said was just as stupid as what Dawkins said...and contradicted Browns comments. As well as flies in the face of icee's beliefs of dawkins intuitiveness.
That's my point. I really didnt think I would have to spell it all out so much.
QuoteEagles | S. Brown unhappy with team
Sat, 3 May 2008 13:47:57 -0700
Nick Fierro, of the Trenton Times, reports Philadelphia Eagles CB Sheldon Brown is angry with the way the team has handled their offseason moves, according to a source. Brown was unhappy with the team's signing of CB Asante Samuel and was angered over he and CB Lito Sheppard being "lied to" by head coach Andy Reid over an unspecified issue. Brown believes most of the players are unhappy with the message the team sent by trading their first-round pick in 2008 for an extra first-round pick in the 2009 NFL Draft.
What message was sent that would upset the players? I don't get it, unless it's saying they will use the extra #1 to move Lito, in which case it's just more conjecture. Is there something else I'm not smelling that Banner is cooking?
not exactly sure that Nick Fierro would get that exclusive scoop.
farging christ the offseason makes you all retarded.
oh, sure... blame the offeseason. what did the offseason ever do to you? big bully.
Quote from: Father Demon on May 04, 2008, 10:20:53 PM
QuoteEagles | S. Brown unhappy with team
Sat, 3 May 2008 13:47:57 -0700
Nick Fierro, of the Trenton Times, reports Philadelphia Eagles CB Sheldon Brown is angry with the way the team has handled their offseason moves, according to a source. Brown was unhappy with the team's signing of CB Asante Samuel and was angered over he and CB Lito Sheppard being "lied to" by head coach Andy Reid over an unspecified issue. Brown believes most of the players are unhappy with the message the team sent by trading their first-round pick in 2008 for an extra first-round pick in the 2009 NFL Draft.
What message was sent that would upset the players? I don't get it, unless it's saying they will use the extra #1 to move Lito, in which case it's just more conjecture. Is there something else I'm not smelling that Banner is cooking?
im not saying i agree with it as i loved the trade but if im a player on the team (especially one at the end of the line such as mcnabb) the draft didnt exactly scream "win now" at me
also wing has officially lost it
That still doesn't make sense - you don't use the 19th pick to "win now". There was no one available at that spot that will be a game changer.
it does make sense, when you trade your first pick away 2 years in a row, it gives the impression you are thinking about the future and not the now. i guess none of the first round picks in the draft will have any impact on their team this year?
color me confused. why would the players be upset about the eagles potentially drafting their possible replacements? there are 22 starters right now. are any of them so awful that they require immediate upgrading or replacement, and if so, exactly where were they getting them in this draft?
it seems to me that they had only one area that needed immediate help and they addressed it with jackson & demps. they also shored up the third defensive tackle spot which was a real sore spot in my eyes.
i'm not saying i wouldn't have been happy if the eagles went up and got one of the top five picks, but really, would any of them even made an immediate impact?
i just don't see it.
Against all odds, they need OLs. Outside of that I agree with Rome. They addressed needs and robbed the Panthers blind in the trade. Everyone needs to just shut up and play.
Quote from: SunMo on May 05, 2008, 08:36:46 AM
it does make sense, when you trade your first pick away 2 years in a row, it gives the impression you are thinking about the future and not the now. i guess none of the first round picks in the draft will have any impact on their team this year?
exactly...players dont care about the future they want to win games now...and the fact is the one major move they made this offseason was signing a guy at a position that wasnt a need...as fan or a front office guy you can be happy with the draft/offseason as you have two number ones next year but theres no question a player might be wondering what the hell is going on...not to mention they are upset with the treatment of lito
In a perfect world Lito plays well this season, stays healthy, and ups his trade value. In the real world he probably plays in 11 games and the Eagles are back to square one next offseason.
Quote from: Rome on May 05, 2008, 08:37:55 AM
color me confused. why would the players be upset about the eagles potentially drafting their possible replacements? there are 22 starters right now. are any of them so awful that they require immediate upgrading or replacement, and if so, exactly where were they getting them in this draft?
Reid said it and I believe him that he would have taken Otah if the Carolina deal didn't come along. They also tried to trade up for Albert. I have to wonder if the players feel added pressure from watching the Giants win the SB and thinking to themselves we're just as good if we make a couple of key changes.
thats exactly what they are thinking...they know better than anyone how good they are and they know that with a couple key pieces added at the right spots they would have as good a chance at making the superbowl as anyone...
unless lito stays which is highly unlikely what positions other than return man did they significantly improve at this offseason...i dont see any
either they're lying about fitzgerald, moss & williams or they're not. i personally think they made significant offers to or for all of them, but they got rebuffed. since they couldn't get any of them, they looked at brown & curtis and said, "well, there's nobody better out there either in the draft or free agency, so farg it, they're good enough."
This thread has convinced me that the Eagles have a lot of bitch players and even more bitch fans.
Maybe Lito should actually stay healthy a whole season and Sheldon should actually cover a #1 receiver before anyone farging complains about the team upgrading at corner. Just a farging thought, though, you nancy funholes.
Quote from: FastFreddie on May 05, 2008, 11:51:52 AM
This thread has convinced me that the Eagles have a lot of bitch players and even more bitch fans.
Maybe Lito should actually stay healthy a whole season and Sheldon should actually cover a #1 receiver before anyone farging complains about the team upgrading at corner. Just a farging thought, though, you nancy funholes.
Agree on all counts.
Quote from: FastFreddie on May 05, 2008, 11:51:52 AM
This thread has convinced me that the Eagles have a lot of bitch players and even more bitch fans.
Maybe Lito should actually stay healthy a whole season and Sheldon should actually cover a #1 receiver before anyone farging complains about the team upgrading at corner. Just a farging thought, though, you nancy funholes.
diferent players same front office
you do the math
Let me get this straight...
When the team fails to upgrade significantly, the front office is cheap and overvaluing their own mediocre players.
When they do upgrade, they're spitting in the faces of their excellent and dedicated existing players.
Bullshtein. The FO has done no wrong to Lito or Sheldon. Those two Hoydas have not been able to add up to a reliable #1 corner, so the team went and got one.
the point is they didnt upgrade and have cluster farged the whole samuel move from the get go
Quote from: FastFreddie on May 05, 2008, 12:23:37 PM
Let me get this straight...
When the team fails to upgrade significantly, the front office is cheap and overvaluing their own mediocre players.
When they do upgrade, they're spitting in the faces of their excellent and dedicated existing players.
Bullshtein. The FO has done no wrong to Lito or Sheldon. Those two Hoydas have not been able to add up to a reliable #1 corner, so the team went and got one.
haha...you're an embarrassment when you try to talk football
i think the eagles upgraded with samuel. you all care, obviously.
Philadelphia Eagles = tied for 2nd in giving up passing TD's last year...
but yeah, those two guys can't play at all
Weren't they like 25th in interceptions?
30th...
i care more about points than interceptions though
they were last in turnovers created. they needed a playmaker on defense and got one. the rest of this is nonsense.
Quote from: Rome on May 05, 2008, 12:28:48 PM
i think the eagles upgraded with samuel. you all care, obviously.
if he replaces sheldon perhaps but even then its not a huge upgrade...if its a replacement for lito then it was upgrading based on the premise that someone might get hurt...in that case they should have traded for derek anderson cause mcnabb gets hurt more than lito
altho i think it was uneccesary no one is hating the samuel move but its not a huge upgrade and the way they have went about it has caused rancor in the locker room which is never good...and then when you add in things from the past like the black balling of rod hood and putting sean considine in for michael lewis things tend to add up and make things even more dicey
this topic was played out weeks ago. i'm done arguing about it. everyone on the team needs to shut the hell up and perform, and that includes the prima donna's in the secondary.
Quote from: SunMo on May 05, 2008, 12:25:58 PM
Quote from: FastFreddie on May 05, 2008, 12:23:37 PM
Let me get this straight...
When the team fails to upgrade significantly, the front office is cheap and overvaluing their own mediocre players.
When they do upgrade, they're spitting in the faces of their excellent and dedicated existing players.
Bullshtein. The FO has done no wrong to Lito or Sheldon. Those two Hoydas have not been able to add up to a reliable #1 corner, so the team went and got one.
haha...you're an embarrassment when you post an entire paragraph from your cell phone.
Word...
Quote from: Rome on May 05, 2008, 12:43:46 PM
this topic was played out weeks ago. i'm done arguing about it. everyone on the team needs to shut the hell up and perform, and that includes the prima donna's in the secondary. and the money hungry gaywads in the front office.
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 05, 2008, 12:25:29 PM
the point is they didnt upgrade and have cluster farged the whole samuel move from the get go
When you sign a top player at their position...how is that not an upgrade?
Or are you fine with Joselio Hanson starting 7 games? You were fine when Rod Hood left too right?
i personally wouldnt have spent 30 million dollars on the premise that a guy is going to get injured
Stop sidestepping. You whined non stop about letting Rod Hood get away, saying that the birds were too cheap to bring him back, now it's the other way around? You can not have it both ways and sustain any credibility.
Samuel is either better than both Sheppard and Brown. Or he's better than one or the other. Or they are both better than Samuel.
Which is it?
Quote from: Wingspan on May 05, 2008, 01:04:50 PM
Stop sidestepping. You whined non stop about letting Rod Hood get away, saying that the birds were too cheap to bring him back, now it's the other way around? You can not have it both ways and sustain any credibility.
Samuel is either better than both Sheppard and Brown. Or he's better than one or the other. Or they are both better than Samuel.
Which is it?
number one i never cried about letting rod hood go...again your penchant for completely making up stuff is pretty sad
as are your reading fundementals...i just said above if samuel is replacing sheldon its an upgrade but not enough of one to spend 30 million bucks on...however hes not here to replace sheldon andy said at the press conefercne when he was signed that he is penciled in as the starting corner on litos side
farg all yall.
IGY, Sheppard is missing 5 games or so a season. That IS a big deal, that's a a third of a season, and if Lito plays in those 5 games this past year, MAYBE the Eagles win one or two of them and make the playoffs.
So yes, it is a significant upgrade to get a CB who has thus far proven himself able to stay healthy.
IF he gets hurt
by that reasoning brian westbrook should be off the team as should mcnabb and derrick burgess should have retired by now due to injuries
i have no problem going out and improving the 3rd and 4th cb spots if youre fearful of lito getting hurt but it was not necessary to go out and spend 30 million dollars on the #1 cb in free agency when that position is the strongest on your team simply because you think someone is going to get hurt
For god's sake farging let it go.
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 05, 2008, 05:02:07 PM
IF he gets hurt
by that reasoning brian westbrook should be off the team as should mcnabb and derrick burgess should have retired by now due to injuries
i have no problem going out and improving the 3rd and 4th cb spots if youre fearful of lito getting hurt but it was not necessary to go out and spend 30 million dollars on the #1 cb in free agency when that position is the strongest on your team simply because you think someone is going to get hurt
It was when it could have very well been the difference between making and not making the playoffs last year.
And it's also very obvious he was brought it because of the lack of turnovers last year. 19 aint cuttin it, and bringing in a #3 or #4 CB isn't going to improve that.
If Munson keeps posting, I might get a labotomy so I can agree with SunMo on this one.
yeah.....i dont even know why i do it...its self ignore time for him
Quote from: rjs246 on May 05, 2008, 05:07:38 PM
For god's sake farging let it go before I kick a whole in my dog's eardrum.
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 05, 2008, 07:41:02 PM
yeah.....i dont even know why i do it...its self ignore time for him
Way to miss the joke ace. FF's pissed that I'm right and he agrees with me.
Not exactly. I'm conflicted.
Sign Neckbeard. Problems solved.
Bring Jon Harris out of retirement.
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 05, 2008, 05:02:07 PM
IF he gets hurt
by that reasoning brian westbrook should be off the team as should mcnabb and derrick burgess should have retired by now due to injuries
i have no problem going out and improving the 3rd and 4th cb spots if youre fearful of lito getting hurt but it was not necessary to go out and spend 30 million dollars on the #1 cb in free agency when that position is the strongest on your team simply because you think someone is going to get hurt
We know. And if they had signed a 2nd or 3rd tier free agent CB...you would be getting on them about being too cheap to bring in a real top flight guy.
We get it.
yes!
30 hours later we get a scintillating response!
discussion on!
It was like 24 and a half hours later man.
QuoteQuote from: ice grillin you on May 05, 2008, 05:02:07 PM
Quote« Reply #412 on: May 06, 2008, 10:49:23 PM »
5pm one day to 10pm the next day = 30 hours
you really are a dumb farg
Quote from: Wingspan on May 06, 2008, 10:49:23 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 05, 2008, 05:02:07 PM
IF he gets hurt
by that reasoning brian westbrook should be off the team as should mcnabb and derrick burgess should have retired by now due to injuries
i have no problem going out and improving the 3rd and 4th cb spots if youre fearful of lito getting hurt but it was not necessary to go out and spend 30 million dollars on the #1 cb in free agency when that position is the strongest on your team simply because you think someone is going to get hurt
We know. And if they had signed a 2nd or 3rd tier free agent CB...you would be getting on them about being too cheap to bring in a real top flight guy.
We get it.
yeah because ive been notorious for hating on lito and sheldon the last few years and calling for an upgrade at that position
again please stop making stuff up
I, for one, would like to see more of Dustin Fox in the dime package.
Dustin. What the farg kind of name is that? It's like Blake or Elliott or Kyle. They're not really names they're more like cb radio handles.
Whatever happened to naming your kids after apostles? Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Judas... now those are some farging names, damn it!
reece!!!
Quote from: Rome on May 07, 2008, 12:20:07 PM
Dustin. What the farg kind of name is that? It's like Blake or Elliott or Kyle. They're not really names they're more like cb radio handles.
Whatever happened to naming your kids after apostles? Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Judas... now those are some farging names, damn it!
beautiful :yay
Quote from: SunMo on May 07, 2008, 08:48:52 AM
QuoteQuote from: ice grillin you on May 05, 2008, 05:02:07 PM
Quote« Reply #412 on: May 06, 2008, 10:49:23 PM »
5pm one day to 10pm the next day = 30 hours
you really are a dumb farg
I was just counting from the last post of the thread....BUt if we're talking it terms of strictly arguing about Lito, then yes.
I'm partial to Judas for my first son but my wife isn't interested.
Bitch.
Quote from: Diomedes on May 07, 2008, 06:19:06 PM
I'm partial to Judas for my first son but my wife isn't interested.
Bitch.
Also a good name for kids.
She's also not interested in my insistence on being in a bar when she starts shooting shtein and blood and baby out her bottom parts.
I need a drink just thinking about it, and she's not even pregnant yet.
Got whipped, eh, Dio?
Yeah, you just joined the rest of the husbands in the world.
I was whipped years ago...the only difference is that now I call her my wife.
Judas Fox ftw.
I think you should name it in honor of MDS and spell it Jewdas.
Have a daughter, and name her Judy. Maybe she won't get the joke.
Quote from: Rome on May 07, 2008, 12:20:07 PM
Dustin. What the farg kind of name is that? It's like Blake or Elliott or Kyle. They're not really names they're more like cb radio handles.
Whatever happened to naming your kids after apostles? Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Judas... now those are some farging names, damn it!
Remind me to slap the shtein out of you on L'il Feva's behalf when I see you.
If you don't have your industrial tape measurer on you, that is...
Truth be told if our daughter was born a boy we were going to name him El-Hajj Malik El-Shabazz.
Quote from: Diomedes on May 07, 2008, 06:19:06 PM
I'm partial to Judas for my first son but my wife isn't interested.
Bitch.
Ever consider Herod? Falls along the same Jesus hating theme
I like the name Judas more because everyone hates him than because he supposedly hated Jesus.
But sure, Herod. Would make a good middle name.
So Judas Herod Satanface? That's beautiful.
Quote from: rjs246 on May 08, 2008, 05:34:01 PM
So Judas Heron Satanface? That's beautiful.
with a d...Herod..but yeah...it's got a nice ring to it, doesn't it?
Henron?
Quote from: General_Failure on May 08, 2008, 08:04:17 PM
Henron?
It's ashame how they stole all those peoples pensions
the last 15 posts of this thread might be the worst in the history of CF
unpossible...you weren't involved
now that you are, I agree its going downhill
It's reached bottom.
What about Karl
or
Commrade
or
Vladimir
or
Putty Putty Putin
How about Julius or Ethel Rosenberg
you commie bastich
No more injuries please? Get someone while you can.
what the farg is going on
I blame the Pittsburgh Penguins.
Farg hockey.
Let the injuries begin for trade bait. First starting cornerback down is:
1) Cleveland Browns Daven Holly
Sheppard for Braylon Edwards straight-up? Sold.
Apparently (according to espn 950) there is talk from the birds that Lito is going to be worked into some offensive packages as a WR. Apparently it's something he's begged the coaches to let him try, and now they are going to do it.
Quote from: Wingspan on May 29, 2008, 07:19:12 PM
Apparently (according to espn 950) there is talk from the birds that Lito is going to be worked into some offensive packages as a WR. Apparently it's something he's begged the coaches to let him try, and now they are going to do it.
Hmm.
If it really is something he has begged to do (I think I remember hearing about this a few years ago actually), then if it helps keep him happy for this year....why not.
With the WR corps the Eagles routinely throw out there, why the heck not?
He's caught more balls for the Eagles than Michael Gasperson and Bill Sampy ever have.
No. Bad idea.
He's got nothing to offer at WR that the Eagles don't already have in spades. farging stupid idea.
You're blind. The Eagles are clearly lacking in often-injured WRs.
Quote from: Diomedes on May 29, 2008, 09:10:46 PM
No. Bad idea.
He's got nothing to offer at WR that the Eagles don't already have in spades. farging stupid idea.
maybe he can have great chemistry with mcnabb like ronde barber does?
This is necessary after loosing Sampy for a long period of time. I know they were expecting him to contribute significantly this year.
Quote from: Magical_Retard on May 29, 2008, 10:43:02 PM
Quote from: Diomedes on May 29, 2008, 09:10:46 PM
No. Bad idea.
He's got nothing to offer at WR that the Eagles don't already have in spades. farging stupid idea.
maybe he can have great chemistry with mcnabb like ronde barber does?
ha!
Whats he going to do, practice on both sides of the ball in camp?
I guess this shows how actually desperate Reid is for wr help.
Quote from: shorebird on June 01, 2008, 09:03:34 AM
I guess this shows how actually desperate Reid is for wr help.
I read it more as desperation to justify having three starting cornerbacks on the team.
Quote from: QB Eagles on June 01, 2008, 11:56:31 PM
I read it more as desperation to justify having three starting cornerbacks on the team.
That sure is a situation that screams of shame and must be addressed. 3 pro bowlers deep at corner sucks.
Hush, you. Quit it with all this sense-making ridiculousness.
eskin said the whole story is overblown and lito has gotten a couple reps here are there at wr in practice over the last 3-4 years....might he do it again sure...is there discussion about him becoming a wr or doing it in a real game...absolutely not
When Lito hauls in 75 for 1,200 and 9... you'll regret saying that.
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 02, 2008, 08:45:10 AM
eskin said the whole story is overblown and lito has gotten a couple reps here are there at wr in practice over the last 3-4 years....might he do it again sure...is there discussion about him becoming a wr or doing it in a real game...absolutely not
Doesn't Eskin have his head up Howie Roseman's ass?
if howie roseman works for the eagles he does...eskin is an eagle homer of titantic proportions but he does talk to reid banner lurie all the time...the key is figuring out the PR stuff the eagle put out thru him and the real news
So, you're saying his info could either be legit insider knowledge or simply what the Eagles' brass told him to say? In that case, we're back to square one, and Lito might play significant snaps at WR after all.
im saying what hes saying about lito is true...but lots of times what he says is what the eagles want put out there...its pretty easy to tell the difference
lito did not show up at the voluntary ota's today
We talkin bout practice?
Not a game, not a game, not a game...
I thought for sure he would show
Not entirely shocking. He'll use this as his protest and then report to camp.
He was confused about which color jersey to wear, spent all day in the locker room.
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 02, 2008, 09:54:18 AM
eskin is an eagle homer of titantic proportions
No, he is a Reid/Banner/Lurie suck up. Don't you remember him during the Buddy years? He trashed the team non-stop during those years.
the buddy years were in the 80's...im talking about now and how he is with the team (obviously)
http://www.sportsargumentwiki.com/index.php?title=Philadelphia_Eagles#Buddy_Ryan
QuoteBuddy Ryan
farg Chuck and DuckKnown as the glory days of the franchise. QB Eagles only had the two Keiths on offense, but the defense was farging incredible with Reggie White, Jerome Brown, Seth Joyner, Clyde Simmons, Eric Allen, and Andre Waters. Still only won one NFC East title, and never could jump past the New York Giants or Washington taterskins.
QuoteLito Sheppard, cornerback, Philadelphia
When the Eagles signed free agent Asante Samuels to a gazillion-dollar deal, Sheppard became expendable. The club tried to package him in trades before the draft but without luck, so now Sheppard returns to the Eagles as their third cornerback. But for how long? Philadelphia insists he plays there this year, but tell me the Eagles wouldn't jump if someone made them a decent offer. So what's your definition of decent?
GM No. 1: "I wouldn't give you anything for him. I mean that. He's a zone corner who can't play in Cover Two because he won't tackle. He doesn't like to hit. Plus, he gets hurt too much, and he's limited in his coverage skills. He reacts to things, he's instinctive and he has ball skills. But he hasn't played a complete season in the last three years, and he's someone who doesn't want to tackle."
GM No. 2: "Now this is a guy I like. I think he's a terrific player, and I'd be willing to give a third or a future second for him. I don't know that I would look at him as a starter, but he would be no worse than my third cornerback -- and in today's game I think you need three good ones. Anyway, I like him. The downside is that he wants a new contract, and that's a concern. So are the injuries.
One thing I always admired about teams like the Eagles and the Patriots is they do what they want to do, not what the player wants them to do. If the Eagles want to trade him, and they get the right price, he's gone. If they believe they can win with him, they'll keep him. And if they believe he's a distraction they'll cut him. But if you're going to make the deal you better have the contract settled first. No way would I make the trade, then try to work something out."
GM No. 3: "I wouldn't want him, and one reason is that he missed an average of five games over the last three years. So he's always getting hurt. But he's not physical, and he wants a new contract. So you're looking at $6 million to $7 million a year for a guy who plays 10 or 11 games a year and doesn't hit anybody? No thanks."
GM No. 4: "I look at Sheppard as a solid cornerback, maybe the 10th or 11th best guy out there, but he's not someone you build a defense around. Which means I wouldn't be able to pay what I think he's asking. But I would be willing to deal a third-rounder for him because he's young, and he can step in and start for you tomorrow. He's not a physical player, so that will limit his options. He's not going to play for a Tampa-2 defense where your cornerbacks must support the run. But he can play."
http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/10855212/1
Shows what I know, I always thought he was above average in the "get physical" department. He's no Deion Sanders or someone like that who wants no part of hitting, but he's no Sheldon Brown either.
You honestly thought he was "above average" in getting physical? That's idiotic.
It's not so idiotic if you factor in Phreak's somewhat endearing homerism.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 07, 2008, 11:45:52 PM
QuoteLito Sheppard, cornerback, Philadelphia
When the Eagles signed free agent Asante Samuels to a gazillion-dollar deal, Sheppard became expendable. The club tried to package him in trades before the draft but without luck, so now Sheppard returns to the Eagles as their third cornerback. But for how long? Philadelphia insists he plays there this year, but tell me the Eagles wouldn't jump if someone made them a decent offer. So what's your definition of decent?
GM No. 1: "I wouldn't give you anything for him. I mean that. He's a zone corner who can't play in Cover Two because he won't tackle. He doesn't like to hit. Plus, he gets hurt too much, and he's limited in his coverage skills. He reacts to things, he's instinctive and he has ball skills. But he hasn't played a complete season in the last three years, and he's someone who doesn't want to tackle."
GM No. 2: "Now this is a guy I like. I think he's a terrific player, and I'd be willing to give a third or a future second for him. I don't know that I would look at him as a starter, but he would be no worse than my third cornerback -- and in today's game I think you need three good ones. Anyway, I like him. The downside is that he wants a new contract, and that's a concern. So are the injuries.
One thing I always admired about teams like the Eagles and the Patriots is they do what they want to do, not what the player wants them to do. If the Eagles want to trade him, and they get the right price, he's gone. If they believe they can win with him, they'll keep him. And if they believe he's a distraction they'll cut him. But if you're going to make the deal you better have the contract settled first. No way would I make the trade, then try to work something out."
GM No. 3: "I wouldn't want him, and one reason is that he missed an average of five games over the last three years. So he's always getting hurt. But he's not physical, and he wants a new contract. So you're looking at $6 million to $7 million a year for a guy who plays 10 or 11 games a year and doesn't hit anybody? No thanks."
GM No. 4: "I look at Sheppard as a solid cornerback, maybe the 10th or 11th best guy out there, but he's not someone you build a defense around. Which means I wouldn't be able to pay what I think he's asking. But I would be willing to deal a third-rounder for him because he's young, and he can step in and start for you tomorrow. He's not a physical player, so that will limit his options. He's not going to play for a Tampa-2 defense where your cornerbacks must support the run. But he can play."
http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/10855212/1
Shows what I know, I always thought he was above average in the "get physical" department. He's no Deion Sanders or someone like that who wants no part of hitting, but he's no Sheldon Brown either.
So, he's being traded for Chad Johnson by the end of the week right?
Quote from: FastFreddie on June 08, 2008, 09:04:55 AM
You honestly thought he was "above average" in getting physical? That's idiotic.
Bullshtein. He's had a few good hits over the years and I have never looked at him as the type who avoids contact. I mean, there are some corners who will run off the field to avoid a screen block or dive for the legs and hold on to shoelaces but I never saw Lito as one of those guys.
I don't find anything homeriffic about me saying he was above average in the physicality department. He's also never been one to shy away from jamming a guy, and he does that well too.
I think Tito's physical and aggressive, but he's below average when it comes to actually tackling someone.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on June 08, 2008, 11:14:51 AM
I think Tito's physical and aggressive, but he's below average when it comes to actually tackling someone.
So he's physical in the locker room?
No dummy. He does play physical against other recievers....jamming them at the line, etc. But he's not a great tackler, especially in the open field.
Kinda' like Bobby Taylor was.
This confirms my feelings. His market value seems to be a 3d round draft pick. #rd round draft picks from 2005-1999 (given some years to prove themselves):
Ryan Moats
Matt Ware
Billy McMullen
Brian Westbrook
Derrick Burgess
Doug Brzezinski
So, one incredible player, one good one and 4 wastes of oxygen.
I would still rather keep Lito.
That article proved two things to me:
a) NFL is a total crap shoot. 2 GMS say he is good, two say no way. Sure, team needs and all, but the two "no way" guys focused on his abilities and injuries.
b) There's no value in trading him. If the best the Eagles can get is a current 3rd, they won't get anything near Lito with that pick.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 08, 2008, 11:03:06 AM
Quote from: FastFreddie on June 08, 2008, 09:04:55 AM
You honestly thought he was "above average" in getting physical? That's idiotic.
Bullshtein. He's had a few good hits over the years and I have never looked at him as the type who avoids contact. I mean, there are some corners who will run off the field to avoid a screen block or dive for the legs and hold on to shoelaces but I never saw Lito as one of those guys.
I don't find anything homeriffic about me saying he was above average in the physicality department. He's also never been one to shy away from jamming a guy, and he does that well too.
Just because he doesn't avoid contact does not mean he's above average in getting physical.
(http://www.anticoemoderno.it/Antico/Vinile/ingrandimenti/Olivia%20Newton%20John%20-%20Physical.jpg)
LOL - you searched for an Olivia Newton John picture!!
Olivia Newton John in the black spandex-type body suit at the end of Grease was farging hawt!
She had to be sewn into that, I heard.
i agree with phreak here...i never once have looked at lito as a soft corner...a small corner yes but not non physical...like someone said hes not sheldon but he certainly doesnt deserve a reputation of being soft batch
"Soft" is much worse than "average." I simply don't think he's "above average" in being physical.
well farg, I don't think anyone anywhere would say he's a hitter, or a tackler...there's a reason people float Sheldon's name and not Lito's as a possible conversion to safety
people float sheldon as a saftey cause they hate on his coverage skills not because hes a big hitter
or maybe they float him because his coverage skills are not as good as Lito's, while his hitting and tackling skills are clearly superior?
maybe
We all do.
Well played.
Lito at his football camp in Jacksonville this weekend: I'll be ready for training camp "wherever that may be"
he's a cancer, trade him.
Quote from: L-ong-B-each-I-ggle on June 24, 2008, 06:19:31 AM
he's a cancer, trade him.
That could take too long, let's just cut him.
cut then radiation and chemo
if that doesn't work, hospice his ass
PFT is reporting that Lito hired Rosenhaus
QuoteLITO LANDS WITH ROSENHAUS
Posted by Mike Florio on July 16, 2008, 3:59 p.m.
It's a move that likely will provoke bad memories in Philadelphia.
Per a league source, Eagles cornerback Lito Sheppard has hired agent Drew Rosenhaus.
We're told that the team and Rosenhaus held an initial meeting on Wednesday, and that both sides hope to avoid a repeat of the ugliness that unfolded in 2005 between the team and another Rosenhaus client, receiver Terrell Owens.
Sheppard has been available via trade ever since the team signed cornerback Asante Samuel, formerly of the Patriots. But no deal has been even close, and there has been no serious talk regarding a new contract for Sheppard in Philly.
Sheppard is due to earn a base salary of $2 million in 2008, which is less than 10 percent of the value of Samuel's guaranteed money in his Eagles contract, which runs through 2011.
As predictable as a sunrise.
From a Philly.com Brookover/Fox article
Quote"We have signed Lito as a new client," Rosenhaus said after a meeting with the Eagles at the NovaCare Complex. "I'm trying to keep somewhat of a low profile. We're going to keep everything real positive. I've had a lot of positive dealings with the team recently. I'm confident that we're going to find a mutually beneficial solution to this situation and we expect things to move in a positive direction."
Sheppard did not return a phone call.
Multiple sources confirmed that Rosenhaus was in Philadelphia today and he met with vice president of player personnel Howie Roseman. Team president Joe Banner, who is on vacation, took part in the meeting via conference call.
"It was a relatively positive conversation and the Eagles expect him to be at camp when the vets report next Thursday," a team source said.
A source close to Sheppard also said the cornerback would report to training camp...
Well, it seems like everybody is happy and really likes eachother again.
Several players are saying Lito is at camp and has been there for a couple hours. I'm watching DNL and they sent text messages to Gunner telling him Lito is there.
As of right now Westbrook is NOT there yet.
Quote from: King Cole on July 24, 2008, 05:42:42 PM
As of right now Westbrook is NOT there yet.
(http://larvatusprodeo.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/panic-button.jpg)
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And according to D Gunn Westbrook has until 7 PM to show.
Westbrook has arrived.
Westbrook is clearly "bitchmade"
He caves
Bowen: (http://www.philly.com/philly/hp/news_update/Lito_Speaks_Andrews_Still_Missing.html)
QuoteDefensive coordinator Jim Johnson meticulously rotated Lito Sheppard and Sheldon Brown in and out of the first-team defense in the first full-squad practice of training camp Friday.
"I guess that's what you get when you have an unresolved situation, you get rotated," Sheppard said afterward, in his first remarks to reporters since skipping the team's optional minicamp last month and hiring Drew Rosenhaus as his agent last week. Sheppard made it clear he still expects to be traded, perhaps any minute, though many NFL observers think he'll have to play well and stay healthy for the Eagles this season, then try to find a trade and new contract match in the offseason.
"My job is to come here and perform and play. I'll let my agent and the Eagles take care of everything else, and hopefully, we'll come up with something pretty soon," Sheppard said.
"I just want to go out and show everybody that I'm healthy, and I am who I say I am (an elite corner), and I can still play this game at a high level. I'm going to let that speak for itself."
Sheppard called the cornerback rotation "a mind game."
Asked if he could be happy as a nonstarter, Sheppard, a two-time Pro Bowler, said: "Of course not. I feel like I'm a Pro Bowl-caliber player, so why wouldn't I be starting?"
Asked specifically about wanting to be traded, Sheppard said: "It's not about me getting traded or any of that. But I want to make the situation right. However that is handled, I don't know."
hes right...hes better than samuel and we all know hes better than sheldon...samuel is so far out of his league in trying to man up against wr's...hes a zone coverage guy and a pretty good one but hes not in lito shepherds league
and this is where the eagles farged up this whole situation...you cant sign a 30 million dollar guy and still keep a player on your team who is better than he is...but if youre dumb enough to do that you definitely dont give him litos position on the day you sign him...just a colassal farg up all around by andy reid
I hate when they sign good players but already have good players. Damn you, Andy! Damn you indeed!
your reading comprehension has really taken a hit lately...or its your natural inclanantion to act like a farging corksucker
nothing wrong with having three good corners...but you have them all battle out for the two starting positions...and open competition...you dont take away litos position for a guy thats never played a down for the team and isnt as a good a cover man...
i wasnt huge a fan of the signing to begin with because i think samuel is overrated due to the ne system but i also didnt complain because really you cant hate on signing one of the best free agents on the market...what i have said from the start is that they have treated lito like crap...not because they wont pay him...but because they took away his starting spot before any of these guys even hit a mini camp...its just not the way you treat your own players who are pro bowlers...how does look to the rest of the team?
what if they go out in training camp and sheldon and lito prove to be the better corners?
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 26, 2008, 07:16:03 AM
i wasnt huge a fan of the signing to begin with because i think samuel is overrated due to the ne system but i also didnt complain because really you cant hate on signing one of the best free agents on the market...what i have said from the start is that they have treated lito like crap...not because they wont pay him...but because they took away his starting spot before any of these guys even hit a mini camp...its just not the way you treat your own players who are pro bowlers...how does look to the rest of the team?
This doesn't make any sense at all. You did complain, and you're still complaining. You are hating on the signing, and you're saying Samuel is just a system player.
Have you personally witnessed how the Eagles are rotating the corners in with the first team? I'm guessing that if IGY were the coach, Samuel would be the nickel back?
You simply find ways to be a little bitch about everything. Cornerback is probably going to be one of the most solid positions on the team this year, but for some reason, you actually care that one of the three good players is less than thrilled about it. Boo farging hoo.
The Eagles went out and got someone that can make plays on defense 16+ games a year. Instead of going with the usual solid but unspectacular mold, they broke form and overpaid to get someone. And yet you bitch like you're getting a cut of Lito's performance incentives. Blah blah.
do you live on the moon?
samuel is the starting left corner...reid announced it the day he signed him and he was at that position yesterday afternoon for the first practice
and you have no idea how many plays samuel makes this year...maybe hes a lock down corner i damn well sure hope he is for 30 million bucks...but hes never showed that before since hes played in a strictly zone defense system...he was great in that system but now hes gonna be on island...and none of us have any idea if he can handle that...we know lito can...and thats the problem...not with the signing itself but with the way they demoted lito for a guy who has never proven to be able to cover better in this defense...if their corners were sheldon and joselio hanson then yes samuel steps right in...but sheldon and lito believe they are at least as good and probably better than samuel is...and they have put in years with this franchise and now play second fiddle to this guy?...thats bullshtein
sorry i question these things that may actually effect how my team performs on the field instead of kowtowing to every move they make like you
Samuel will have at least eight picks this year.
Quote from: Rome on July 26, 2008, 09:44:34 AM
Samuel will have at least eight picks this year.
i smell another homer winning bet for me
how much?
I'd have set the O/U at 7 and taken the under. I think he'll have 6 picks which is still better than what the birds had last season.
FYI- Samuel went down at camp, it's being described as a hamstring injury. Don't think it's too severe. Go Lito.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on July 26, 2008, 10:39:13 AM
I'd have set the O/U at 7 and taken the under. I think he'll have 6 picks which is still better than what the birds had last season.
Same. I'll give him 5-6 picks... I think he'll have less opportunities than he had in NE because he can't just read and react all the time... but he does have excellent hands for a DB so he'll make the most out of his chances at INT's.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on July 26, 2008, 10:49:43 AM
FYI- Samuel went down at camp, it's being described as a hamstring injury. Don't think it's too severe. Go Lito.
Yay!
Quote from: EagleFeva on July 26, 2008, 11:00:13 AM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on July 26, 2008, 10:39:13 AM
I'd have set the O/U at 7 and taken the under. I think he'll have 6 picks which is still better than what the birds had last season.
Same. I'll give him 5-6 picks... I think he'll have less opportunities than he had in NE because he can't just read and react all the time... but he does have excellent hands for a DB so he'll make the most out of his chances at INT's.
Except in the superbowl but that game really doesn't matter
QuoteSamuel Leaves Practice With Injury
July 26, 2008 | Last Updated: 7/26/08 9:54 AM ET | Comments (1)
By: JOE DOLAN
Practice Blog: July 26
Cornerback Asante Samuel left Saturday morning's practice early with a strained hamstring, head coach Andy Reid said after the session.
Samuel was working in seven-on-seven drills when he came up lame, holding his hamstring. He missed a small portion of June's Organized Team Activities (OTAs) with a hamstring injury, as well.
"We'll see how it goes," Reid said.
Also leaving practice early with cramps were fullback Luke Lawton and tight end L.J. Smith.
Stay tuned for more from Andy Reid's post-practice press conference.
I should have posted 10 picks. TEN!
Samuel misses camps, Lito misses games
QuoteThe injury recap: Cornerback Asante Samuel left with a hamstring pull. It was not the one that was injured in the OTAs. Tackle Tra Thomas and fullback Luke Lawton had cramps.
2 bad hammys, nice.
LOL @ cramps.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on July 26, 2008, 11:09:28 AM
Quote from: EagleFeva on July 26, 2008, 11:00:13 AM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on July 26, 2008, 10:39:13 AM
I'd have set the O/U at 7 and taken the under. I think he'll have 6 picks which is still better than what the birds had last season.
Same. I'll give him 5-6 picks... I think he'll have less opportunities than he had in NE because he can't just read and react all the time... but he does have excellent hands for a DB so he'll make the most out of his chances at INT's.
Except in the superbowl but that game really doesn't matter
Won't matter for this team, at least.
Christ Thomas couldn't even make it to his day off. Better get Turnstile Justice ready......
wow, LJ in print already.
samuel obviously doesn't have the dog in him
i like the signing. lito's only on the field half the year, would you rather depend on william james or joselio junk hanson?
Quote from: SD_Eagle on July 26, 2008, 11:09:28 AM
Quote from: EagleFeva on July 26, 2008, 11:00:13 AM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on July 26, 2008, 10:39:13 AM
I'd have set the O/U at 7 and taken the under. I think he'll have 6 picks which is still better than what the birds had last season.
Same. I'll give him 5-6 picks... I think he'll have less opportunities than he had in NE because he can't just read and react all the time... but he does have excellent hands for a DB so he'll make the most out of his chances at INT's.
Except in the superbowl but that game really doesn't matter
Haha... true that.
Samuel's going to have a MRI.
All is well.
Quote from: FastFreddie on July 26, 2008, 06:40:44 PM
Samuel's going to have a MRI.
All is well.
Lito should begin holdout immediately!
QuotePosted by Mike Florio on July 26, 2008, 11:03 p.m.
A source with knowledge of the situation tells us that Eagles cornerback Lito Sheppard and agent Drew Rosenhaus held on Saturday a sit-down with Eagles coach Andy Reid and team president Joe Banner.
The meeting was described as calm and productive. Sheppard still wants a trade or a new contract.
The Saturday hamstring injury to Asante Samuel might have caused the Eagles to realize that it would be prudent to keep both Samuel and Sheppard. If they do, however, they'll likely need to bump up Sheppard's salary significantly.
Sheppard is signed through 2011, at salaries of $2 million, $3 million, $3.7 million, and $4.25 million, respectively over the next four seasons.
With Cardinals receiver Anquan Boldin unhappy in Arizona and resigned to departing once his contract expires after the 2010 season, a trade of Sheppard for Boldin might make sense. The Eagles likely would have to kick in a little bit more to even out the package, and both teams would have to be ready to pony up the cash to the player received via any such transaction.
I would trade Sheppard and Carolina's #1 for Boldin in a New York minute.
Quote from: Rome on July 26, 2008, 11:26:34 PM
I would trade Sheppard and Carolina's #1 for Boldin in a New York minute.
I think I agree, but other than Boldin or CJ (who I guess is off the market because he is so happy now), they probably need to settle this Sheppard issue swiftly.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on July 26, 2008, 11:09:28 AM
Quote from: EagleFeva on July 26, 2008, 11:00:13 AM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on July 26, 2008, 10:39:13 AM
I'd have set the O/U at 7 and taken the under. I think he'll have 6 picks which is still better than what the birds had last season.
Same. I'll give him 5-6 picks... I think he'll have less opportunities than he had in NE because he can't just read and react all the time... but he does have excellent hands for a DB so he'll make the most out of his chances at INT's.
Except in the superbowl but that game really doesn't matter
POTM
Quote from: Rome on July 26, 2008, 11:26:34 PM
I would trade Sheppard and Carolina's #1 for Boldin in a New York minute.
You got that right. Bolding is exactly what the Eagles offense needs to make a Superbowl run seem at all possible.
Isn't Rosenhaus Boldin's agent or am I remembering wrong?
the lito for boldin thing was mentioned on espn radio this morning...no source behind it. just the espn weekend host mentioning it as a possibility.
Quote from: EagleFeva on July 27, 2008, 10:23:01 AM
Isn't Rosenhaus Boldin's agent or am I remembering wrong?
Yeah. (http://www.concretefield.com/forum/index.php?topic=20011.msg617280#msg617280) I think the importance of that is overestimated, though. It's not like he's the only NFL agent who is an aggressive douchebag.
yeah the rosenhaus stuff is blown so out of proportion...if you didnt know better youd think TO was his only client
Is CB still considered a need for Arizona? They have Rod Hood, Eric Green, and Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie.
It better because I will farg a rabies infested dog if the Boldin trade goes down.
Quote from: MDS on July 27, 2008, 11:22:43 AM
It better because I will farg a rabies infested dog if the Boldin trade goes down.
That would be an interesting way to pop your cherry, li'l guy.
BTW, it's funny how IGY has gone straight to super Samuel hater. Can't stay luke warm on anyone too long! Must... take... everything... TO THE EXTREME!
please quote one single line of me "super extreme hating" on the guy
thank you
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 27, 2008, 02:06:50 AM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on July 26, 2008, 11:09:28 AM
Quote from: EagleFeva on July 26, 2008, 11:00:13 AM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on July 26, 2008, 10:39:13 AM
I'd have set the O/U at 7 and taken the under. I think he'll have 6 picks which is still better than what the birds had last season.
Same. I'll give him 5-6 picks... I think he'll have less opportunities than he had in NE because he can't just read and react all the time... but he does have excellent hands for a DB so he'll make the most out of his chances at INT's.
Except in the superbowl but that game really doesn't matter
POTM
Pointing out the guy "only" broke up some key passes in the Super Bowl as the post of the month? Hate.
actually that post had nothing to do with samuel...and everything to do with sd's sarcasm regarding the big game
Admit you're cornholing Lito and are actually rooting for Samuel to fail. Let it all out, big guy.
im rooting for the team to have three excellent and content cornerbacks
youre rooting for me to be wrong one day
So, you want them to trade Lito for a cornerback that isn't a little bitch, then?
no i want lito to have the same opportunity to win a starting job as asante...nothing less nothing more
You keep harping on the fact he's not even being given a chance to start, using the fact Samuel was immediately penciled it LCB upon being signed. But, the couple of days before the injury, they were rotating with all 3 starting combos in the base package with the 1st team. Lito didn't take any reps with the 2nd team.
But yeah, it would have made sense for them to sign the biggest free agent on the market and introduce him as the nickel back at the press conference. Totally.
they rotated with the first team because they are the top 3 cb's...just like the dt's all rotate witht he first team even tho bunkley and patterson are the starters...have no doubt samuel IS the starting left corner...thats been made crystal clear...
you wouldnt introduce him as the nickel youd introduce him as one of the top free agents on the market and announce a spirited competition at cornerback
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 27, 2008, 12:53:04 PM
you wouldnt introduce him as the nickel youd introduce him as one of the top free agents on the market and announce a spirited competition at cornerback
You'd give a guy a fifty seven million dollar contract and then expect him to battle it out for a starting job?
if the guys already on the team are as good or better hell farging yeah...samuel didnt take joselio hansons spot he took lito shepherds...who is one of the top cover corners in the nfl
listen to yourselves youre actually saying that a player should start because of how much money he makes rather than whos the best...stop staring into the banner swirly lolipop...hes got you all hoodwinked
Where exactly did I say the best player shouldn't start? It's irrelevant anyway because Samuel is the better player, but I'm pretty sure I never said anything about starting the guy who makes more money.
Lito should be the RCB.
Sheldon is the weakest of the three.
Sheldon has done the most good in a Philly uniform of the three, though.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on July 27, 2008, 02:12:09 PM
Lito should be the RCB.
Sheldon is the weakest of the three.
how do you know?
maybe in a zone defense hes the weakest...but ive seen sheldon lock up with corners on a consistent basis...never seen samuel do that
Sheldon's good but he gets beat too much on the outside. I think he's better suited to play inside in the nickel.
I saw Samuel play 1-on-3 against Jerry Rice, Larry Fitzgerald, and Jesus. Not only did he come away with the ball, but Jesus was literally crucified on the play.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on July 27, 2008, 06:21:06 PM
Sheldon's good but he gets beat too much on the outside. I think he's better suited to play inside in the nickel.
you could be 100% right...but id rather have the players decide this on the field...and i still wanna see samuel by himself outside against people before i believe hes better thasn sheldon or lito
what part of $30 million don't you understand
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 27, 2008, 06:18:54 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on July 27, 2008, 02:12:09 PM
Lito should be the RCB.
Sheldon is the weakest of the three.
how do you know?
maybe in a zone defense hes the weakest...but ive seen sheldon lock up with corners on a consistent basis...never seen samuel do that
None of us have, unless you've watched film from every New England game for the last five years. Which, hopfully, Reid and Co. did before they signed him to a six year, 50 whatever mil contract.
I don't care if he's played nothing but zone with New England. He's a goddamn magnet to the ball. He's only missed 5 games in five years. He has 22 picks. In 14 playoff games he has 5 picks with 3 tds.!
Lito has missed 14 games in the last three years. He's good when he's on the field, but he's undependable. It's almost like for this controversy to come to an end, all we have to do is wait for Lito to get injured.
Yeah really...when do you ever get to see the Patriots play? they are hardly ever on a national broadcast.
yeah its not like theyve made the playoffs recently where their game would be guranteed of being on
Yup... they've got a no name coach, a QB who can barely tie his shoes, a WR who can't catch a cold... and being that they play in the northeast... the media wants no part of them.
Nope, nothing about that team screams, "Put me on national TV."
Quote from: Rome on July 27, 2008, 01:27:34 PM
Where exactly did I say the best player shouldn't start? It's irrelevant anyway because Samuel is the better player, but I'm pretty sure I never said anything about starting the guy who makes more money.
Huh? You said just that in your previous post...
Quote from: Rome on July 27, 2008, 12:58:44 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 27, 2008, 12:53:04 PM
you wouldnt introduce him as the nickel youd introduce him as one of the top free agents on the market and announce a spirited competition at cornerback
You'd give a guy a fifty seven million dollar contract and then expect him to battle it out for a starting job?
I didn't say start him because he made more money, dingus. That's what IGY presumed I meant. I didn't.
So, you're saying Myers/Eaton should be 1/2 in the Phillies' rotation based on salary?
That's ridiculous, Rome. You're so wrong! WRONG.
what hes saying has some merit if like i said previously they are replacing joselio hanson with samuel...not so much when he was given a pro bowlers spot unchallenged
Lito wasn't a Pro Bowler in 2007, was he? NFL = not for long
Even if Sheppard and Brown run circles around Samuel at TC, there is absolutely 0% chance Samuel won't be starting week 1--it would be an absolute PR nightmare to have your $57 million man as your 3rd CB.
Quote from: Rome on July 28, 2008, 10:48:35 AM
I didn't say start him because he made more money, dingus. That's what IGY presumed I meant. I didn't.
So what did you mean?
Quote from: FastFreddie on July 28, 2008, 11:24:54 AM
Lito wasn't a Pro Bowler in 2007, was he? NFL = not for long
the point is when healthy hes a pro bowl caliber player
Samuel was signed to start. They didn't pay him a king's ransom to compete for a job. Expecting him to come in and battle Lito or anyone else for a starting job is retarded beyond all reason because he wouldn't have signed in Philly if that was going to be the case.
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on July 28, 2008, 11:25:06 AM
Even if Sheppard and Brown run circles around Samuel at TC, there is absolutely 0% chance Samuel won't be starting week 1--it would be an absolute PR nightmare to have your $57 million man as your 3rd CB.
And, of course, he would be substituted for a lot more and used in the slot and in different positions if it's better for the team... but yes, he would be listed in the starting lineup regardless. Even if he somehow ended up playing fewer downs than Sheppard or Brown.
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 28, 2008, 11:36:52 AM
Quote from: FastFreddie on July 28, 2008, 11:24:54 AM
Lito wasn't a Pro Bowler in 2007, was he? NFL = not for long
the point is when healthy hes a pro bowl caliber player
Yes, that is the point.
well when lito gets hurt samuel takes his spot...pretty sure we all know that...and we know thats why they signed samuel...and i dont think anyone is saying thats a horrible thing...hes a pretty damn good insurance policy
the problem is lito isnt hurt and lost his spot before a down of football was ever played...and they wonder why hes pissed
Do any of you idiots for a second think that the Eagles thought Lito would still be here? Honestly?
I've been told to think that Joey Banner controls the universe and thus can foresee all!
He probably even predicted the unnecessary exclamation point in the previous sentence.
Quote from: Rome on July 28, 2008, 12:03:48 PM
Do any of you idiots for a second think that the Eagles thought Lito would still be here?
and whose fault is that?
Ur's.
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 28, 2008, 12:13:09 PM
Quote from: Rome on July 28, 2008, 12:03:48 PM
Do any of you idiots for a second think that the Eagles thought Lito would still be here?
and whose fault is that?
Boz Scaggs
Kang's. But don't blame me.
Quote from: Wingspan on July 28, 2008, 10:33:43 AM
Yeah really...when do you ever get to see the Patriots play? they are hardly ever on a national broadcast.
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 28, 2008, 10:36:22 AM
yeah its not like theyve made the playoffs recently where their game would be guranteed of being on
Quote from: EagleFeva on July 28, 2008, 10:42:58 AM
Yup... they've got a no name coach, a QB who can barely tie his shoes, a WR who can't catch a cold... and being that they play in the northeast... the media wants no part of them.
Nope, nothing about that team screams, "Put me on national TV."
I said
game film you jackasses. How many times do you see Samuel spotlighted on tv covering a receiver? Once a game if your lucky.
Stop acting like you know.
ive never seen it which was kinda my point
You say it like he's incapable of covering anyone in man to man. You don't know, and niether do wingnut or eaglefarvre, I don't care how many times they are televised a year. But, I'd venture a guess that it's been looked into by the people footing the bill.
Like I said, Lito is good when he's on the field, but he's injured too much. Samuel is an upgrade, a big one.
Your splitting hairs.
take it easy their
Ewe're trying too hard.
Eye didn't think aye was
Munson.
I guess if I keep hearing shtein about that, I might eventually quit doing it.
Yeah, me neither. And I think Munson pretended to "get it" to kiss the admin's ass.
Your right! And I was going to make him a mod, too! That sneaky little bastich...
Quote from: shorebird on July 28, 2008, 05:58:40 PM
Quote from: General_Failure on July 28, 2008, 03:19:21 PM
Munson.
I fail to see the humor in that.
I do believe it was GF's sarcastic way to continue to post retarded things.
Philly.com:
QuoteYards-per-attempt, as it relates to passes thrown against individual cornerbacks, is a pretty esoteric NFL stat; it isn't included in the regular statistical package the league prepares for reporters.
Apparently, along with being dogged by injuries all last season and not having a good year in several more easily quantifiable ways, Lito Sheppard also had a really poor "YPA," because Eagles owner Jeffrey Lurie brought it up Monday in his annual "state of the team" address, as Lurie was asked to explain why the Birds are working toward a new contract with Brian Westbrook but don't seem disposed to do the same for Lito.
"I will say that I'm very hopeful that Lito will have a terrific season, show us, and the league, that he's back to the old Lito, feels healthy, (that) he's got great playmaking ability and certainly a lower YPA and just really perform the way that we know Lito can," Lurie said. "I think that's what he's going to do."
Sheppard wasn't pleased. Like most reporters, he was not familiar with the stat, and he said he had no idea how he ranked. Attempts to track down the number Lurie alluded to hadn't succeeded when this was posted. ESPN stats maven K.C. Joyner, one of the stat's chief proponents, ranked the Eagles' duo of Sheppard and Sheldon Brown 17th in YPA last season, at 7.8 yards per attempt.
"I guess he's got to find something bad against me, huh?" Sheppard said after returning to training camp workouts Wednesday from a groin injury. "I'm not hiding. I know what I can do; everybody knows what I can do. If you've got to dig that deep to bring up something to say I can't do good? Hey, that shows how good a player I am. I tip my hat to him for expressing that."
Sheppard said he keeps track of the big plays he gives up and the ones he makes.
"If you want to get down to how many inches I give up a play, so be it," he said. "Guess what? I can play this game and I can play it well."
He said he couldn't recall a coach ever mentioning yards per attempt.
"I don't think so. If they have, I'm sorry for not paying any attention," he said. "I didn't know that was that important in this game."
Way to put your foot in your mouth, Jeff. I love how he constantly says "I let agents and professional football personal handle that stuff" then at the same time uses an obscure stat to make a point about a disgruntled player. Lito looked pissed when he made those comments and I don't blame him.
He needs more VORP
Jesus, Lurie...shut the farg up.
Lito's pissed anyway. Lurie could suck his hog on stage, and he'd still be pissed about the Samuel signing and the lack of a new contract.
Whatever happened to players that didn't need to be coddled and have sweet nothings whispered into their ears? Wake me up when these iceholes are playing some football and winning some games.
theres no question that banner with help from someone like howie roseman came up with that stat as a negotiating tool and lurie probably remembered it from some meeting a few months ago
even tho satan banner is attached at luries hip i always have respected lurie cause as sd said he has for the most part stayed out of player issues...except for TO which he had every right to jump into...but this shtein was uncalled for and even if you back an owner talking shtein about a player why of all people would you choose lito sheppherd to potentially piss off...even thos he unhappy hes been more than professional thruout and the issue was just starting to go away or at least be beneath the surface...and now lurie wants to stir the next again....i dont get it
Forget Lito. Lurie's biggest problem is that he's finally put the last straw on IGY's back!
(http://seattlest.com/attachments/seattle_audrey/hulk.jpg)
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 06, 2008, 07:49:34 PM
theres no question that banner with help from someone like howie roseman came up with that stat as a negotiating tool and lurie probably remembered it from some meeting a few months ago
even tho satan banner is attached at luries hip i always have respected lurie cause as sd said he has for the most part stayed out of player issues...except for TO which he had every right to jump into...but this shtein was uncalled for and even if you back an owner talking shtein about a player why of all people would you choose lito sheppherd to potentially piss off...even thos he unhappy hes been more than professional thruout and the issue was just starting to go away or at least be beneath the surface...and now lurie wants to stir the next again....i dont get it
I pretty much agree. Lurie has not been meddlesome like Jerrah and Danny. His background could have led to him being one of those owners but he usually just chills behind the scenes. So him saying this was stupid.
But at least he knows they have to pay Westbrook
Yeah, he seems to know, but he has yet to do it.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 06, 2008, 08:45:58 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 06, 2008, 07:49:34 PM
theres no question that banner with help from someone like howie roseman came up with that stat as a negotiating tool and lurie probably remembered it from some meeting a few months ago
even tho satan banner is attached at luries hip i always have respected lurie cause as sd said he has for the most part stayed out of player issues...except for TO which he had every right to jump into...but this shtein was uncalled for and even if you back an owner talking shtein about a player why of all people would you choose lito sheppherd to potentially piss off...even thos he unhappy hes been more than professional thruout and the issue was just starting to go away or at least be beneath the surface...and now lurie wants to stir the next again....i dont get it
I pretty much agree. Lurie has not been meddlesome like Jerrah and Danny. His background could have led to him being one of those owners but he usually just chills behind the scenes. So him saying this was stupid.
But at least he knows they have to pay Westbrook
Yeah, he knows it, but ain't farging done it yet!
They'll get it done...those stupid rules about the CBA and his extension are in the way. They converted some money into a signing bonus from a roster bonus and I think that prohibits them in some way.
yeah, that's the main reason he fired Fletcher...he didn't know that would screw up their attempts at a restructure down the road
Really? So Fletcher took the deal without knowing it would effect the new deal?
supposedly
according to romey its not possible that fletcher smith could have made a mistake
Lito vs. Lurie and a YPA breakdown (http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2008/8/7/588238/lito-vs-lurie-and-what-is)
It's a fan site but the info is pretty good
im not gonna even attempt to get into ypa as it makes my head hurt but the guy who wrote the piece for bg is completely wrong on one matter
Quote
Rick-Lowell, MA: I've always said Asante Samuel was a good corner who had a couple "better than good" years. How were his metrics? Is he truly an elite corner or did Philly overpay? How were Fernando Bryant's numbers in comparison? Certainly he's not as much of a ballhawk, but I imagine he'll play better in the Pats system than previous systems. Do you agree?
KC Joyner: Samuel is a ballhawk so his YPA totals tend to be higher than a coverage CB like Bryant. That was the case last year, as Bryant had a 6.5 YPA versus Samuel's 7.2. He'll be more than an ample replacement for Samuel on the coverage standpoint.
So Samuel is a ballhawk who makes plays, which means occasionally he'll give up yardage... Remind you of anyone? That's basically Lito's game. Roto world explains why that's a problem.
thats not what joyner is saying at all...hes saying samuels game is actually very different than litos...ive pointed this out before as to why i think paying 30 mil for samuel is risky...
lito is a man up lock down corner in the mold of a michael haynes or deion sanders...he take his man out and then trys to make a play...samuel in ne's defense played like a saftey at the cb position...he was a ball hawk and a very good one but he didnt lock down wr's...he mostly dropped back and played the ball the whole way...now this isnt to say 100% that samuel cant play the style that jim johnsons defense requires of its corners but up till now hes never been that kind of guy
Quote from: SD_Eagle on August 07, 2008, 10:32:55 AM
Lito vs. Lurie and a YPA breakdown (http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2008/8/7/588238/lito-vs-lurie-and-what-is)
It's a fan site but the info is pretty good
Funny... in the comments section...
QuoteConcretefield can suck it
QuoteLurie's mention of YPA in regards to Lito and the fact he signed Asante Samuel does illustrate one thing about the Eagles philosophy. Either don't get beat and always limit the opposition to a minimal or no gain, or go ahead and gamble as long as you take the ball away. Lito did neither in 07. So while Jeff spoke in some rather ambigous statistical terms, what reall was saying to Lito was...
Put up, or shut up.
Oh, and he also missed some games.
Again, Lito doesn't even come close to deserving more money. What he SHOULD get is an opportunity to start so that he can earn more money, and it seems he will end up getting that this year due to the Eagles pitting him against Brown and not Samuel on the depth chart.
If he stays healthy and plays well this year, he'll get a pay increase and all will be well, or he'll get traded and all will be well. The worst-case scenario is that he's underwhelming again for a variety of reasons and yet still expects to get caked off.
Quote from: Phanatic on August 07, 2008, 10:51:44 AM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on August 07, 2008, 10:32:55 AM
Lito vs. Lurie and a YPA breakdown (http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2008/8/7/588238/lito-vs-lurie-and-what-is)
It's a fan site but the info is pretty good
Funny... in the comments section...
QuoteConcretefield can suck it
ha, that was a 700 level fag who probably got scared away from here
i went on the emb about six months ago and some people were talking about cf and one guy said he doesnt come here anymore because its to negative towards the eagles
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on August 07, 2008, 11:11:28 AMha, that was a 700 level fag who probably got scared away from here
Understandable. We are rather terrifying.
Quote from: rjs246 on August 07, 2008, 11:19:36 AM
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on August 07, 2008, 11:11:28 AMha, that was a 700 level fag who probably got scared away from here
Understandable. We are rather awesome, and will be prepared for a zombie rising
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 07, 2008, 11:18:09 AM
i went on the emb about six months ago and some people were talking about cf and one guy said he doesnt come here anymore because its to negative towards the eagles
The super secret Premium TATE board over there expresses this very same notion constantly. Clowns.
ive heard horror stories about that place from sun but never actually been in it...the conversation i witnessed actually took place on the non sports board
PTATE is (was) an endless run of douchebaggery and ballsucking of the Eagles. They can do no wrong, every player is a potential pro-bowler, every draft pick is justified... my first impression was that it couldn't possibly be real, that they all had to be kidding. But no. They're serious.
When does PTATE think King Dunlap will make his first Pro Bowl? 2009, or 2010?
I haven't been over there in about year. But I would guess they're predicting rookie of the year honors.
Quote from: rjs246 on August 07, 2008, 12:10:58 PM
PTATE is (was) an endless run of douchebaggery and ballsucking of the Eagles. They can do no wrong, every player is a potential pro-bowler, every draft pick is justified... my first impression was that it couldn't possibly be real, that they all had to be kidding. But no. They're serious.
So, basically EXtrEmE EaGlEZ!
Quote from: rjs246 on August 07, 2008, 12:25:30 PM
I haven't been over there in about year. But I would guess they're predicting rookie of the year honors.
They think he'll beat out DeSean and Demps? Negadelphians!
Ed started P-TATE to avoid just the sort of arse-suckage that goes on in the regular board. Didn't quite turn out that way thanks to you fargs not showing up.
I showed up and enjoyed being outnumbered 25 to 1 for about two months. Beating my head against a wall is only entertaining if IGY is involved.
so wait
easy started a board
that would kind of mirror a place like this
a nice homer/hater mix
and the homers over ran the spot?
thats pretty farging funny
Nah, Ed created the board so you didn't have to sort through 35 threads of bullshtein to get to something worth discussing. But after about 3-4 weeks... you had to sort through 35 threads of bullshtein to get to something worth discussing.
Quote from: Rome on August 07, 2008, 02:17:40 PM
Ed started P-TATE to avoid just the sort of arse-suckage that goes on in the regular board. Didn't quite turn out that way thanks to you fargs not showing up.
I couldn't resist the temptation to warn, ban, and unilaterally edit posts and polls when stupidity was running rampant, so I just had to walk away.
Now that I'm no longer a moderator, I could go back, but why?
There's definitely a few "negative" guys there...or there was the laast time I was there.
djbigf being one of them.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on August 07, 2008, 10:32:55 AM
Lito vs. Lurie and a YPA breakdown (http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2008/8/7/588238/lito-vs-lurie-and-what-is)
It's a fan site but the info is pretty good
good link, thanks
the anti cf comment made me proud, and also wish I had posted it myself
http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/61212
they are claiming Lito wants out, yet he said nothing yesterday other than that Lurie is an idiot
That's nothing new. Yes, he wants out. No, the Eagles are not going to trade him for jack shtein or give him an outright release. So, he'll have to suck it up and play his ass off this year, or sit out.
I'll say it again...every team need a third corner and why not show him some money (not Samules money) but something to shut him up,
he doesnt deserve more money at this time....but its more than the money anyway...its the slap in the face he recieved from the eagles when they stripped him of his position without a competition....add in the latest lurie blast and this is personal as well as monotary
basically he needs to play out this season hopefully stay healthy and have the eagles move him next year
From what I heard the Eagles had two trades worked out for him but his contract demands were too high for his new team. He wanted out but his agent couldn't get it done. Enter the Drew.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on August 08, 2008, 12:38:11 PM
From what I heard the Eagles had two trades worked out for him but his contract demands were too high for his new team. He wanted out but his agent couldn't get it done. Enter the Drew.
this sounds exactly like a spads blurb
SD is living the dream with increased access to Dave.
I'll never reveal my sources
So, are you like Florio, then? You just surf boards for rumors and then post them as if you have your own inside information?
Lies. You're sandbagging. You get all the info from either Spads or your mom.
It goes from god to andy to me.
bonus pts. if you know what movie I stole that from
Real Genius
what
thats the movie
It's too bad we can't rate threads on this board because if we could this one would have gotten five stars after the Real Genius reference.
It might be the best movie ever made.
Might.
2nd best, after Citizen Kane.
Quote from: SunMo on August 08, 2008, 02:04:16 PM
thats the movie
my bad...i thought she was calling me
slap yourself in the face for me
i will if you promise to never make me explain another one of my stupid jokes again
deal
Quote from: Rome on August 08, 2008, 02:08:27 PM
It's too bad we can't rate threads on this board because if we could this one would have gotten five stars after the Real Genius reference.
It might be the best movie ever made.
Might.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 08, 2008, 01:59:05 PM
Real Genius
All brains no penis (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NORRxg-L9YE&feature=related)
DYK - uncle Rico from Napolean Dynamite is Lazlo the guy in the closet.
QuoteASANTE OFFERING LITO CONTRACT ADVICE
Posted by Tom Mantzouranis on August 12, 2008, 8:40 p.m.
As Lito Sheppard continues to want a trade or new contract from the Eagles, agent Drew Rosenhaus isn't the only one guiding the cornerback.
Asante Samuel, signed to a six-year, $57.1 million contract this offseason to ostensibly either render Sheppard redundant or reduce him to backup, has drawn on his experience lobbying for a new contract to offer Lito a friendly word.
"I give him some pointers and my opinion on the whole situation," Samuel told a group of reporters regarding Sheppard. "We can relate to that definitely. We have a good relationship."
Samuel held out the entire training camp and preseason last year in order to protest receiving the franchise tag instead of a new deal, eventually agreeing to an escape clause that would make him a free agent in 2008 if he met simple playing time requirements. Sheppard, by contrast, has been in camp, and ran with the first team until Samuel returned from a hamstring injury on Sunday.
Sheppard has appeared to be going about things in good faith, but he also doesn't have the leverage Samuel had, being one of the best players at his position and a huge contributor on a perennial Super Bowl threat. So Sheppard sort of has to go about things in good faith. And the market for him has been lukewarm, so unless a team loses a starting cornerback, it looks like he'll have to lower his demands or hope that the Eagles want to operate in good faith, as well.
There's no word on whether Sheppard has given Samuel advice on a subject he's familiar with — being injured.
Is there anything Kearse Lite can't do?
Lito Sheppard - Still B*tching (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3563918)
lol @ calling that bitching
yeah, why would an pro-bowl player not be starting? no need to question that.
Lito acts surprised.
Like this is a new development or something.
why isn't sheldon brown #3?
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 01, 2008, 06:53:59 PM
Lito acts surprised.
Like this is a new development or something.
somebody asked him a question, he answered it, and he's bitching?
common sense would say that Lito and Samuel start with Sheldon in on nickel situations, but that isn't happening for some reason...it's a legit question as to why
I didn't say he's bitching.
But he sounds shocked that he's not starting. Like he hasn't gone through camp knowing the situation. Like Jim Johnson hasnt told him what the deal is.
I bet that once Sheldon gives up a few deep balls, like he always does, we'll see them flipped out.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 01, 2008, 07:22:28 PM
I didn't say he's bitching.
But he sounds shocked that he's not starting. Like he hasn't gone through camp knowing the situation. Like Jim Johnson hasnt told him what the deal is.
I bet that once Sheldon gives up a few deep balls, like he always does, we'll see them flipped out.
but why isnt he starting over sheldon to begin with?
maybe the fact Sheldon is accustomed to the right side and is a better tackler
The fact that Sheldon will still be with the team next year might factor in also.
Or maybe Reid is taking into account Shepards injury history and figures he might want to save him and limit his playing time in case the Eagles have to make a playoff run?
I hope thats sarcasm
if not I dont think big boy is calling Lito in his office and saying, "Yo Lit, youre doing awesome right now...we are going to save you from injury this year and let you dominate in the playoffs..cool?"
well one would like to believe the best 2 CBs would be starting giving the eagles the best chance to win.
Quote from: Magical_Retard on September 01, 2008, 10:26:02 PM
well one would like to believe the best 2 CBs would be starting giving the eagles the best chance to win.
not in joe banners world...farging sean considine was put into the starting lineup over michael lewis
rod hood was dumped for joselio hanson
you complain and these people are gonna stick it to you vs putting the best players on the field
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 02, 2008, 07:29:21 AM
Quote from: Magical_Retard on September 01, 2008, 10:26:02 PM
well one would like to believe the best 2 CBs would be starting giving the eagles the best chance to win.
not in joe banners world...farging sean considine was put into the starting lineup over michael lewis
rod hood was dumped for joselio hanson
you complain and these people are gonna stick it to you vs putting the best players on the field
I have to admit, thats shore as shtein what it looks like.
Just a guess but maybe Li-to should tell Drew to shut the hell up. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fevz4-1OS4s)
Link (http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/20080902_Eagles_Notebook__Sheppard_not_of_a_mind_to_settle.html)
QuotePosted on Tue, Sep. 2, 2008
Eagles Notebook: Sheppard not of a mind to settle
By LES BOWEN
Philadelphia Daily News
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Lito Sheppard hasn't given up on the trade scenario yet, though he and agent Drew Rosenhaus seem to be just about the only people in the NFL talking about it right now.
And Sheppard certainly hasn't given up on starting, as the Eagles begin focusing on their season opener Sunday at home against St. Louis. If the first thing can't happen, then the second becomes much more important. If you assume, as most people do, that Lito will have to play effectively for the Eagles this year and stay healthy in order for a trade to work out after the season, obviously, not starting will undercut Sheppard's demands for a state-of-the-art contract, wherever he goes.
Hence the campaign to emphasize that Lito, a two-time Pro Bowl corner, is a deserving starter, which actually began with a Rosenhaus video last week. (The link: http://www.youtube.com/ watch?v=fevz4-1OS4s.)
Rosenhaus' client picked up the torch after yesterday's practice.
"I think my role is still undetermined right now,'' Sheppard said. "I feel fine, I feel great, I feel healthy, I feel ready to play this season, but as to my role, that has yet to be determined . . . Me not starting, that's the biggest propaganda.''
Someone mentioned to Sheppard that the Eagles list $57 million free-agent signee Asante Samuel and returning starter Sheldon Brown as their left and right corners, respectively. Sheppard and Joselio Hanson are listed as the backups, though defensive coordinator Jim Johnson has said he plans to play a lot of nickel, which would involve all three of the marquee corners.
"I think [that's the case], as of now," Sheppard said. Sheppard said he is focusing on positives, such as, "I can definitely showcase my talents, and if I'm not starting, prove that I should be, so you guys can ask the question why I'm not."
In fact, Sheppard, despite majoring in sociology at Florida, instead of journalism, had a suggestion for reporters.
"That's a good question, you should ask that right now,'' Sheppard said, when reporters asked him why he felt he wasn't starting. "Given the reasons supposedly - my injuries, me not being able to stay on the field - with that not being an issue [currently], what is the issue? That's a good question for y'all to bring up.''
Of course, Sheppard's 14 missed games the past three seasons were an issue when the Eagles declined to rework his contract, and when they went out and signed Samuel, who immediately was named the starting left corner. No one has said Sheppard isn't healthy now, or has given any reason as to why Brown is starting ahead of him.
Rosenhaus, meanwhile, used his video platform to recount Sheppard's travails, culminating in "the disappointment of the team starting Sheldon Brown and relegating Lito to being the third cornerback.''
"It's very frustrating for Lito. He is a Pro Bowl-caliber player. He is one of the premier players in the league at his position. He has shown a great deal of poise, composure and class with the way he has handled this situation,'' Rosenhaus said. "All bets are off. We're going to have to take it one day at a time. Certainly, it's not a positive situation, and my client should be starting."
Sheppard said he does not feel his dissatisfaction will affect his play.
Rosenhaus is a despicable human being but I have to hand it to him... he sure knows how to farg up the Eagles. Why Reid hasn't hired a hit man to take his greasy ass out, I'll never know.
how Lito isnt playing opposite of Samuel is exactly the reason why i hate this front office.
QuoteEAGLES RECENTLY TURNED DOWN OFFER FOR LITO
Posted by Mike Florio on September 2, 2008, 8:41 p.m.
A reader pointed out to us that WIP Radio in Philly has reported that the Eagles turned down a trade offer for cornerback Lito Sheppard.
We've confirmed that, indeed, an unnamed (and as yet unknown) team made a trade offer to the Eagles within the past few days, and the Eagles rejected it.
Sheppard has been on the trading block since the team signed Asante Samuel on the first day of free agency. But even though Sheppard has been relegated to second string behind Sheldon Brown, the Eagles apparently regard him as a top-flight player.
Given that the Broncos just got a seventh-round pick that could upgrade to a six for Dominique Foxworth, it might be wise for the Eagles to re-assess their position as to Sheppard's trade value.
Alternatively, if they regard him as shutdown corner, they should pay him accordingly. Or make him, you know, a starter.
Wow, that's shocking! They "reportedly" turned down "an" offer for Lito? Amazing!
Florio is such a twat.
im sure they received plenty of offers for him all off season.
Quote from: FastFreddie on September 02, 2008, 09:03:09 PM
Wow, that's shocking! They "reportedly" turned down "an" offer for Lito? Amazing!
Florio is such a twat.
hes a farging hack
i love how he credits a wip caller for hearing about it...when it was the daily news reporting it after getting the "info" from rosenhaus
well, lets see the premier pro-bowl player prove he can make it through a season with great play
these trade offers are probably for 4th or 5th rd'ers in 09. The Birds know damn well they can get more next year if he sticks it out and plays all year
Let's see: Get a year out of a pro bowl cb and have arguably the best depth in the league
vs.
not having a pro bowl cb for the season and taking a 3rd round pick when you can just as easily trade him for that after the season.
His value can really only go up at this point so trading him now makes zero sense. At this point unless they're blown away by an offer moving him makes zero sense
Quote from: reese125 on September 03, 2008, 09:25:13 AM
well, lets see the premier pro-bowl player prove he can make it through a season with great play
these trade offers are probably for 4th or 5th rd'ers in 09. The Birds know damn well they can get more next year if he sticks it out and plays all year
this makes no sense to me yet i hear people say it quite often
why would you trade a pro bowl type corner coming off a great year...id rather trade a guy who i think will never be healthy again for a four than trade a pro bowler for a one
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 02, 2008, 09:01:21 PM
QuoteEAGLES RECENTLY TURNED DOWN OFFER FOR LITO
Given that the Broncos just got a seventh-round pick that could upgrade to a six for Dominique Foxworth, it might be wise for the Eagles to re-assess their position as to Sheppard's trade value.
Alternatively, if they regard him as shutdown corner, they should pay him accordingly. Or make him, you know, a starter.
Did Rosenpuke write this?
ruben frank is on wip saying sheldon today after practice took rosenhaus behind the woodshed in a lockeroom interview....lito sitting at his locker right next to sheldons came over to defend rosenhaus and what he said about sheldon....saying that he needs to do 'whatever it takes" to get me out of here
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 03, 2008, 02:40:23 PM
ruben frank is on wip saying sheldon today after practice took rosenhaus behind the woodshed in a lockeroom interview....lito sitting at his locker right next to sheldons came over to defend rosenhaus and what he said about sheldon....saying that he needs to do 'whatever it takes" to get me out of here
So, they both hate Samuel because he has the massive contract, and now they hate each other too?
I kind of like this dynamic. All we need now is for Dawkins to dawkplex all three of them and make it clear he owns their asses.
well he didnt exactly say they hate each other and he actually said he thinks they will be ok since sheldon said he has no beef with lito and theyve been friends for a long time...but he also said its no question a tense situation in the locker room very uncomfortable and could change as the situation moves along
Yeah, well Florio's going to counter that rumor by reporting from his sources that the Eagles turned down an offer of Darwin Walker and a 6th for Lito.
Li-to playing the "I'm a good soldier" role ain't flying no more. I never really bought it as it is, but if he wants to continue to speak through Drew then he needs to be prepared because he's looking like an ass. Somewhere the league needs to step in here and do something about Drew. You'd think they'd learn their lesson from when they had to step in with the TO fiasco.
Why the farg did they not even attempt to use the dream team setup with Sheldon at FS, Lito and Samuel at CB, and Dawk at SS, thats right, they wanted to punish Lito.
Holy shtein! Sheldon at safety! That's naturally and definitely gotta work, right?!? RIGHT?!?
as ive said from the start if they were gonna try and make this work they should have had an open competition at the cb spot and the best two men win...not take lito out of the spot hes been in for five years without a ball being thrown...they knew from day one that lito was upset with his deal and whether lito deserves a new deal or not and i dont think he does the eagles did almost everything wrong from the beginning of this
more on this....sheldon absolutely murdered rosenhaus....
Quote
Sheldon to Drew: Shut Up About Me
One minute, it was a slightly boring, back-down-to-business, first day of real preparation for the season opener.
Then, suddenly, it was 2005 again.
Reporters wanted to know Wednesday how Sheldon Brown felt about Drew Rosenhaus, the agent of his friend and teammate, Lito Sheppard, saying that Sheppard should be starting ahead of Brown in a video Rosenhaus disseminated last week. (link here.)
Brown had several thoughts on the matter, starting with his view of Sheppard's idea that changing agents, from Peter Schaffer to Rosenhaus, would somehow get the Eagles to trade him, which was the ultimate point of last week's video.
"If you know (Rosenhaus') track record, it's more of a disappointment to me that he enticed the guy into signing with him," Brown said. "Thinking that he could get the deal done. Agents don't get the deals done. The player gets the deal done. That's what's disappointing.
"I wouldn't say it bothered me, because I'm bigger than that, I'm a professional ... Drew hasn't been with Sheldon Brown for 7 years; I think he's been with Lito for 2 months. He hasn't followed by career. He hasn't broke down any film; he probably couldn't tell you what number (Brown wears). It's really irrelevant ... (from watching the video) you would think the guy has been scouting tape and know(ing) the statistics and following us our whole career.
"A lot of times, people should just worry about their (own) jobs."
Brown said he had not spoken to Sheppard, who dresses in the next stall, about what Rosenhaus said. It's a problem for Rosenhaus and Sheppard if Sheppard doesn't start this season, because whenever a trade occurs, Sheppard wants a state-of-the-art contract for an elite corner, which he is unlikely to get as the third guy.
Brown and Sheppard have been the Birds' starters since the Super Bowl season of 2004. After Sheppard missed 14 games over the past three seasons and began seeking a contract revision, the Eagles signed Asante Samuel to a $57 million free agent deal and gave him Sheppard's spot at left corner. That left Brown and Sheppard to compete at Brown's right corner spot, a competition Brown seems to have won, for now.
Sheppard saw the large group of reporters at Brown's stall and took a seat at Sean Considine's cublicle, several lockers away from his own. But the savvy newshounds eventually realized he was not Considine, and approached him for comment anyway.
Sheppard said he hadn't seen the video. But under pointed questioning about how smart it was for Rosenhaus to get one of Sheppard's closest friends angry about being included in Sheppard's get-away bid, Sheppard adamantly defended his agent.
"That's between him and Drew," Sheppard said at first. "I didn't say it. (Bleep). What did (Rosenhaus say)?"
Given a quick synopsis, Sheppard said: "Ask Drew about that."
When it was pointed out that Rosenhaus represents Sheppard, and thus said these things in Sheppard's name, Sheppard said: "He wasn't talking to ya'll, he wasn't talking to Sheldon, he was talking to the organization."
Someone pointed out that a YouTube video is not a private conversation with Joe Banner.
"You're right, he did put it out there, didn't he?" Sheppard agreed.
"I have no control over how he forms his argument about my situation," Sheppard said. "Stats are stats. It is what it is. If it takes him to say stuff like that, then obviously, he feels like it's a point to be made. As far as me, I'm never going to talk bad about somebody else, especially on my team, to try to uplift myself. I'm not that kind of guy.
"So ya'll tell me why I'm not starting. I mean, that's the question. (Signing Samuel) has nothing to do with me."
(Insert photo of puzzled reporters scratching their heads. Huh? Of course it had something to do with you, Lito.)
"I let him do his job and I do mine. I ain't got no problem with nothing he does. If that's what ya'll are asking, I don't have a problem with it."
Ask if he worried this could become a distraction similar to the Terrell Owens follies of 2005 (also co-starring Rosenhaus), Sheppard said: "If it does, it does. If it don't, it don't. I'm just playing football and doing my best and letting everything else take care of itself."
Asked if he felt the T.O. drama affected the team, Sheppard said: "Of course ... but it started with you guys ... the distractions start with you."
(More head-scratching. Wasn't it Sheppard who two days earlier suggested we should all ask coaches why he wasn't starting?)
"Right, but that's not down-talking anybody on this team," Sheppard said.
"I back Drew, whatever he does and however he does it. Otherwise I wouldn't have hired him."
Even if it upsets a close friend?
"Hey, well, I'm upset. (Bleep).
Bleep, indeed.
Wow. I haven't really been taking a side on this one, but after reading that article, Lito is really starting to look like a douche. His responses are ridiculous.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on September 03, 2008, 02:56:01 PM
Li-to playing the "I'm a good soldier" role ain't flying no more. I never really bought it as it is, but if he wants to continue to speak through Drew then he needs to be prepared because he's looking like an ass. Somewhere the league needs to step in here and do something about Drew. You'd think they'd learn their lesson from when they had to step in with the TO fiasco.
Lid'oh really impresses as a scholar and gentleman.
Professional athletes are so articulate.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on September 03, 2008, 03:26:03 PM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on September 03, 2008, 02:56:01 PM
Somewhere the league needs to step in here and do something about Drew. You'd think they'd learn their lesson from when they had to step in with the TO fiasco.
lol @ the league having to step in and do something...should they also step in and do something about banner or reid?
on what grounds would the league have any reason or validation to "step in" on rosenhaus...unless youre aware of some laws hes breaking...being slimy is not a reason or else banner would have been executed by the nfl
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 03, 2008, 03:34:20 PM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on September 03, 2008, 03:26:03 PM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on September 03, 2008, 02:56:01 PM
Somewhere the league needs to step in here and do something about Drew. You'd think they'd learn their lesson from when they had to step in with the TO fiasco.
lol @ the league having to step in and do something...should they also step in and do something about banner or reid?
on what grounds would the league have any reason or validation to "step in" on rosenhaus...unless youre aware of some laws hes breaking...being slimy is not a reason or else banner would have been executed by the nfl
Agents are there to negotiate contracts, not be a nuissance and turn a player against his current team. The NFL partially agrees with me since an arbitrator already ruled in the Eagles favor in regards to TO being suspended without pay. Stare decisis. Why would they do something about Banner or Reid? Maybe if Banner and Reid showed up at Drew's office and started crap between his agents you'd have a leg to stand on.
no agents are there to get their clients the most money possible...the player is the agents boss...if they dont like what drew does for them then they wouldnt hire him or theyd muzzle him...
the arbitrator ruled against TO...it had absolutely nothing to do with rosenhaus...so no it doesnt even come close to your ridiculous notion that the league should step in
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 03, 2008, 03:48:14 PM
the arbitrator ruled against TO...it had absolutely nothing to do with rosenhaus...so no it doesnt even come close to your ridiculous notion that the league should step in
Are you blind? Drew is doing the exact same shtein with Li-to as he did with TO, only difference is TO is a nutjob. Drew kept telling him the Eagles were the enemy and how unfair it all was and it went to his head. Prior to hiring Rosenhaus both Li-to and TO just stated they wanted a new deal, enter the Drew and all hell suddenly breaks lose. Coincidence?
Drew will never be taken down unless its the other Agents who find something shady, which only has happened to the Postons.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on September 03, 2008, 03:56:33 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 03, 2008, 03:48:14 PM
the arbitrator ruled against TO...it had absolutely nothing to do with rosenhaus...so no it doesnt even come close to your ridiculous notion that the league should step in
Are you blind? Drew is doing the exact same shtein with Li-to as he did with TO, only difference is TO is a nutjob. Drew kept telling him the Eagles were the enemy and how unfair it all was and it went to his head. Prior to hiring Rosenhaus both Li-to and TO just stated they wanted a new deal, enter the Drew and all hell suddenly breaks lose. Coincidence?
ill stick to the eagle examples only...but in the lito and TO all hell broke loose scenarios who hired rosenhaus?
Lito is acting like a bitch. Goddamn dude, shut yo mouf!
Whats going to happen is that they will tallk their way out of here, burn bridges, and then get on the open market and or get traded and not find the deal he is looking for. He'll be playing elsewhere for the same or less money he is playing here for.
Good job by Sheldon ripping the guy.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 03, 2008, 04:28:22 PM
Whats going to happen is that they will tallk their way out of here, burn bridges, and then get on the open market and or get traded and not find the deal he is looking for. He'll be playing elsewhere for the same or less money he is playing here for.
like TO?
there is always a team that will pay for talent....and there are tons of teams that will pay them more than the eagles as the eagles dont value talent as much as a lot of teams
the difference with the eagles is that the front office behaves in such a terrible way that these players have a deep seated hate for the team and carry shtein way farther than you see on most teams
chad johnson situation dead
anquan boldin situation dead
lito situation just heating up
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 03, 2008, 04:35:36 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 03, 2008, 04:28:22 PM
Whats going to happen is that they will tallk their way out of here, burn bridges, and then get on the open market and or get traded and not find the deal he is looking for. He'll be playing elsewhere for the same or less money he is playing here for.
like TO?
there is always a team that will pay for talent....and there are tons of teams that will pay them more than the eagles as the eagles dont value talent as much as a lot of teams
the difference with the eagles is that the front office behaves in such a terrible way that these players have a deep seated hate for the team and carry shtein way farther than you see on most teams
chad johnson situation dead
anquan boldin situation dead
lito situation just heating up
TO didn't get NEAR the money he wanted when he first started making his demands for more money from the Eagles.
Don't be stupid.
what did he want?
The Eagles don't value talent?
Does it ever stop with you? Jesus, man.
Quote from: Rome on September 03, 2008, 04:53:54 PM
The Eagles don't value talent?
Does it ever stop with you? Jesus, man.
i could be missing one or two....but westbrook jeremy bloom and desean jackson are the only super talented players i can think of since this regime came on board where they valued a players talent above all else
they just dont do it that much and would much rather draft a workmanlike solid player over a talented one
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 03, 2008, 04:45:19 PM
what did he want?
He wanted guaranteed money, and more then 3.whatever million it was. The Cowboys gave him neither. His contract was incentive laden and had built in don't be a total head case clauses in it.
Quote from: Munson on September 03, 2008, 05:04:18 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 03, 2008, 04:45:19 PM
what did he want?
He wanted guaranteed money, and more then 3.whatever million it was. The Cowboys gave him neither. His contract was incentive laden and had built in don't be a total head case clauses in it.
lol so he wanted guaranteed money and more than what he was getting?...youre beautiful...you mean he didnt want more unguaranteed money and less than he was making?
the fact is you dont know what he wanted because the numbers never came out...TO wanted more the eagles said no and that was the end of it
the other fact is he made a ton of money in dallas because there are always teams out there that will pay for that
TO's contract with the Eagles was 7/$49M but it turned out to be something like 2/$12M after all the voidable fluff, and he basically wanted the other $37M guaranteed. Dallas gave him 3/$25M two years ago and 4/$34M this offseason...
I heart Sheldon Brown.
i love how the eagles for their part have learned nothing from the TO fiasco.
oh and i found this part hilarious
QuoteSheppard saw the large group of reporters at Brown's stall and took a seat at Sean Considine's cublicle, several lockers away from his own. But the savvy newshounds eventually realized he was not Considine, and approached him for comment anyway.
The Eagles valued Lito enough to give him that contract several years ago. Dude could not stay healthy so they bring in Samuel and Lito's vagina hurts.
And I like Lito as a player but this contract junk gets tiring to read all the time.
I'm sick of the contractual bellyaching. You signed the deal, douchebag, so shut your face and just honor it.
seems like by the day its becoming more and more personal...less about money and more about lito just wanting the hell out...not that he doesnt want more money
Oh his ego is beyond crushed
I'm sure he thought he would of been named starter or traded by now because why wait till now to start this hardcore bitching
I mean...nobody told Lito this was the way its going to be... or he was lied to
But he said come sunday it will be all about him, so no worries :paranoid
im not to worried about his play...after all hes about to begin a 16 week audition...i also think if he was ever soft before as far as coming back from injuries hell be a lot tougher this year
Just in time for a 10-6 season and an early exit from the playoffs. Sweet.
Domo has the tally (http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/columnists/20080908_Paul_Domowitch__Between_The_Tackles.html): Sheppard played in 28 of 40 defensive plays. 20 were part of nickel or dime packages, 8 were replacing Brown at right corner.
QuoteLITO SHEPPARD UNHAPPY WITH ROLE ON EAGLES
Posted by Michael David Smith on September 30, 2008, 9:54 a.m.
For much of the off-season, many fans assumed that the Eagles were going to trade cornerback Lito Sheppard, since they already had Sheldon Brown and spent big money to acquire Asante Samuel.
The trade never came, though, and all three cornerbacks are on the team, with Brown and Samuel starting and Sheppard coming in as the nickel back. Sheppard isn't happy about that.
In an appearance on Comcast's Monday Night Live, Sheppard wondered allowed why he doesn't get more playing time: "If you say you want to win and do this and do that, then why aren't all your best players on the field at the same time or when they need to be?"
Per the Philadelphia Daily News, when the host of the show told Sheppard it sounded like he might not be in Philadelphia all season, Sheppard agreed.
"Well I mean obviously the way things are going, it leads me to believe that," Sheppard said. "So until things change otherwise, I mean, I'm not naïve to the situation."
Sheppard said he won't do anything to be a distraction to his teammates, but he did express displeasure toward the Eagles' front office.
"They just want this year to go by and it does what it does and then we'll see how it goes at the end of the season but that's not satisfying to me," Sheppard said. "I need to be playing and I'm more than able."
Prior to this season Sheppard had started every game he'd been healthy for in the last four years. Sheppard has played all four games this year, but he hasn't started any, and he estimated he's only on the field for about 30 percent of the Eagles' defensive snaps.
man he is so lucky Hester didnt catch the pass
he wouldnt of said shtein yesterday
so does that mean since hester DID catch the pass against samuel that assante should be benched in favor of lito?
I said that during the game, right after that play. I would have said it during the play, but I was too busy booing from before the ball even left Orton's hands. Hester, who can barely be called a WR, made Samuel look like a chump.
Hester let an easy one drop through his hands against Sheppard, and he benefited from a perfect pass an an Asante Samuel later in the same.
Samuel has made very few big mistakes this year, despite being on the field for almost every defensive play and usually against the best WR on the field. Sheppard has been doing a lot of chasing and usually against the slot receiver or TE.
I don't think anyone could honestly be trying to say Sheppard has done a better job than Samuel, could they?
the point is reese trying to call out lito because a pass wasnt completed is laughable when assante was getting toasted on passes that were actually completed
The point is Lito should quit bitching and make a couple of impact plays at some point.
Blow it all up.
Quote from: FastFreddie on September 30, 2008, 01:48:16 PM
The point is Lito should quit bitching and make a couple of impact plays at some point.
and assante should quit getting burned by punt returners
id also argue that lito would have impact plays if he wasnt an all pro nickel back
Asante has looked incredible for the most part, making breaks on the ball that no one else on the team is capable of making. Lito is not as good.
Lito is better than Sheldon, IMO. That's the problem.
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 30, 2008, 02:04:58 PM
Quote from: FastFreddie on September 30, 2008, 01:48:16 PM
The point is Lito should quit bitching and make a couple of impact plays at some point.
and assante should quit getting burned by punt returners
So should Lito.
This conversation is farging retarded.
what do you expect
munson and reece are involved
Igs, can it. THey both got burned by Hester the other night....and neither play has anything to do with Lito's bitching. End.
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 30, 2008, 01:33:03 PM
the point is reese trying to call out lito because a pass wasnt completed is laughable when assante was getting toasted on passes that were actually completed
Quoteman he is so lucky Hester didnt catch the pass
he wouldnt of said shtein yesterday
Hmmm...lets break down this comment and see what it meant in IGY's mind:
1) "Reese is saying Lito sucks and Samuel is better...I know he is...now's my chance to get him"
2)" Lito should be playing over Samuel because a TD was let up by Samuel"
Answer: none-of-the-above.
Comment translation: nobody wants to continuously hear Lito's mouth about playing time--especially after a farging loss. Understand now?
Well, for some reason my tivo screwed up this game and I can't rewatch it, but the one time I saw the play that Hester scored on against Samuel, it looked like Samuel tripped and fell. Wrong?
Quote from: shorebird on September 30, 2008, 06:31:19 PM
Well, for some reason my tivo screwed up this game and I can't rewatch it, but the one time I saw the play that Hester scored on against Samuel, it looked like Samuel tripped and fell. Wrong?
I thought he was pushed but yeah, something happened on that play to get Hester that opened. The Iggs were falling all over the place on that disgrace of a field.
The way I remember seeing it was that AS was pushed by Hester. Not saying it should have been called, but he was pushed IIRC.
Dont tell igy that Demon....he might have to scribble out the "Lito is God and should Start" posterboard he made for the next home game
clearly samuel doesnt get beat and when he does he cant be blamed...EVER
41 pts against dallas and the bears scoring over 20 for the first time since 1985 clearly wasnt his fault at all...in fact most of the blame should go on the nickel cornerback i think
there is no blame on anyone--the secondary gives up chunks of yards in the air regardless who is on the field
Lito, being on the field for 8-10 more plays wont make a difference and he should keep his mouth shut. Its like hes proving to the world the Eagles made a mistake and he is mistake free
no its like he knows hes the best corner on the team and should be playing...and even if you think samuel is better like ff said lito is def better than sheldon...and he should be complaining that hes a nickel back...its a travesty
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 30, 2008, 08:56:57 PM
clearly samuel doesnt get beat and when he does he cant be blamed...EVER
41 pts against dallas and the bears scoring over 20 for the first time since 1985 clearly wasnt his fault at all...in fact most of the blame should go on the nickel cornerback i think
they had 2 of the tds on a real short field. id say the defense played real well, not lights out like it should have been, but well enough to win the game with competent play calling.
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 30, 2008, 09:02:25 PM
no its like he knows hes the best corner on the team and should be playing...and even if you think samuel is better like ff said lito is def better than sheldon...and he should be complaining that hes a nickel back...its a travesty
When you lose a close game like that, heads are down, your last in the division, everyone is pissed off the following day....does anybody really need to hear Lito farging Sheppard complain to the media about playing time? Where does that get anybody?
its not like you have 2 other scrubs out there where its so overwhelming youre not playing every down. There is equal or slightly better or worse talent covering the other receivers. This is Lito being a whiny little bitch at the wrong place and wrong time
save the shtein for the off-season-the coaches want a solid nickel....you are going nowhere
id rather have someone complaining about putting the best players on the field than andy reid saying we will fix it...youve had ten years to fix it...when does it actually get fixed
No seriously. This conversation is farging retarded.
Quote from: rjs246 on September 30, 2008, 10:54:15 PM
No seriously. This conversation is farging retarded.
Sadly, this is the most insightful thing to be found in this thread.
I'm so sad.
Quote from: Father Demon on September 30, 2008, 08:49:15 PM
The way I remember seeing it was that AS was pushed by Hester. Not saying it should have been called, but he was pushed IIRC.
I thought Samuel had a good inside position and probably would have intercepted the ball if he hadn't fallen/pushed or pulled. Who cares? Either way it is a loss. Don't worry, Andy is working on putting the players in a position to make plays. The skins have no chance.
Samuel fell. It looked from one angle that Hester pushed him, but from the other it was clear he did not. He fell.
Force Push. Hester is a Jedi?
That would explain a lot.
:-D
Lito's spoutin off again...
I can't copy and paste from PFT, but its the top story on there now. Talking about guys getting blackballed for not signing extensions. And then his boy Sheldon chimes in with reason.
Wow, I can to highlight, right-click, and hit copy. That was tricky!
QuoteLITO SHEPPARD: SIGN EXTENSION OR GET BLACKBALLED
Posted by Josh Alper on October 29, 2008, 1:16 p.m. EDT
Two of the starting linebackers for the 4-3 Eagles, Omar Gaither and Chris Gocong, are signed through the 2009 season. The team may offer them long-term extensions before those contracts are up and teammate Lito Sheppard shared some thoughts about the practice with the Philadelphia Inquirer.
Sheppard, who signed an extension running through 2011 during the 2004 season, has long been unhappy with his salary. He would have become a free agent in 2006 under the inital deal and saw Nate Clements sign for $80 million when he had settled for $25 million. Despite that, he warned his young teammates to be mindful of retaliation if they chose not to sign deals.
"I always tell them this: First of all, you have to do what's best for you and your family, but second of all, let's put it like this, if you don't take that money, watch how they do you," Sheppard said. "If you take it, you just better hope you're not mad two or three years down the line. That's basically how it is right now. You can write a book about it. Talk to people around the league, they're going to tell you if you don't take the extensions, they're going to get blackballed. You hate to say that about it, but that's the way it is. It's a dirty game and it's almost like they're forcing you to take the new deal when you come to the table."
He made reference to former Eagle safety Michael Lewis as a player who didn't sign an extension and then got benched. He didn't mention that Lewis got badly burnt by Joe Horn of the Saints in his final game as a starter, or that he'd struggled against the pass all season.
Sheldon Brown, who also signed a long extension during the 2004 campaign, has another opinion on the matter.
"It's definitely a tough choice, but it's just like the lottery. You're playing with fire because if you look at somebody like [ex-Eagles safety] Damon Moore, he . . . tore his knee up. I just think in the end, if it's good enough you, go ahead and take it and don't be too greedy. If you perform more after that, you'll get more."
Brown's right. Sheppard was in no danger of being benched in 2004, he wanted security and got it. That he became unhappy when other players got more money is a seperate issue.
he's got it right about Damon, money up front, or gamble
Lito is bitter because he wanted it both ways - to get the security of the long extension, then outplay it and get even more money later.
The problem was that he hasn't consistently been on the field to do the "outplaying," while a less spectacular player in Brown has not missed one single game.
I remember Damon Moore being pretty damn good, an archetype Reid DB...borderline starter for other teams
Quote from: Diomedes on October 29, 2008, 02:42:56 PM
I remember Damon Moore being pretty damn good, an archetype Reid DB...borderline starter for other teams
You get 25 Bonus word points for your use of 'Achetype'.
Quote from: Diomedes on October 29, 2008, 02:42:56 PM
I remember Damon Moore being pretty damn good, an archetype Reid DB...borderline starter for other teams
Didn't he beat a dog?
ive been telling you dopes for years that this has been going on
not news
i thought he left it tied up at a park or something
He sicked it on JR Reed.
Quote from: FastFreddie on October 29, 2008, 02:13:33 PM
Wow, I can to highlight, right-click, and hit copy. That was tricky!
QuoteLITO SHEPPARD: SIGN EXTENSION OR GET BLACKBALLED
Posted by Josh Alper on October 29, 2008, 1:16 p.m. EDT
Two of the starting linebackers for the 4-3 Eagles, Omar Gaither and Chris Gocong, are signed through the 2009 season. The team may offer them long-term extensions before those contracts are up and teammate Lito Sheppard shared some thoughts about the practice with the Philadelphia Inquirer.
Sheppard, who signed an extension running through 2011 during the 2004 season, has long been unhappy with his salary. He would have become a free agent in 2006 under the inital deal and saw Nate Clements sign for $80 million when he had settled for $25 million. Despite that, he warned his young teammates to be mindful of retaliation if they chose not to sign deals.
"I always tell them this: First of all, you have to do what's best for you and your family, but second of all, let's put it like this, if you don't take that money, watch how they do you," Sheppard said. "If you take it, you just better hope you're not mad two or three years down the line. That's basically how it is right now. You can write a book about it. Talk to people around the league, they're going to tell you if you don't take the extensions, they're going to get blackballed. You hate to say that about it, but that's the way it is. It's a dirty game and it's almost like they're forcing you to take the new deal when you come to the table."
He made reference to former Eagle safety Michael Lewis as a player who didn't sign an extension and then got benched. He didn't mention that Lewis got badly burnt by Joe Horn of the Saints in his final game as a starter, or that he'd struggled against the pass all season.
Sheldon Brown, who also signed a long extension during the 2004 campaign, has another opinion on the matter.
"It's definitely a tough choice, but it's just like the lottery. You're playing with fire because if you look at somebody like [ex-Eagles safety] Damon Moore, he . . . tore his knee up. I just think in the end, if it's good enough you, go ahead and take it and don't be too greedy. If you perform more after that, you'll get more."
Brown's right. Sheppard was in no danger of being benched in 2004, he wanted security and got it. That he became unhappy when other players got more money is a seperate issue.
I was on a farged up computer at the office, a lap top, that would not copy and paste.
Lito pipes up after making some plays...how about some consistency before yapping?
Quote from: SunMo on October 29, 2008, 04:11:02 PM
i thought he left it tied up at a park or something
Pretty sure you're thinking of RB Thomas (?) Hamner
Look at the big brain on Dio!
I believe Hamner beat 'em and Moore just abandoned his by chaining it at a park (it was traced back to him via ear-chip)
I think you (and SunMo) are right.
I apologize for my horrendous mistake.
it's ok...you're still my #1
90 yards.
Darth looked just as bad as Lito did on that play, geez, he was supposed to give a little help over the top.
I'm not saying Lito didn't suck balls, but there were two missed tackles on that play after he got beat.
Dawkins looked foolish on that play. It was more his fault that anything.
Definitely time to Barbaro Dawk. He's done.
Sheldon has a good game again. Ho hum.
Tony the Tiger wouldn't even be able to well enough exclaim what a great game Sheldon had.
Quote from: General_Failure on November 03, 2008, 10:46:03 PM
Sheldon has a good game again. Ho hum.
He's boring. He's always healthy and plays solid football.
I got into a raging argument with a group on the EMB over Sheldon's ability to cover. Evidently he sucks and Joselio is better at everything.
Makes me wish for ExtremeSkins posters to take over that place.
As long as Brown never has to cover Burress again, I'm fine with whatever.
Quote from: FastFreddie on November 04, 2008, 11:26:30 AM
Quote from: General_Failure on November 03, 2008, 10:46:03 PM
Sheldon has a good game again. Ho hum.
He's boring. He's always healthy and plays solid football.
And get this..he hits like a Philadelphia Eagle ought to. I know, shocking.
Quote from: Rome on November 04, 2008, 11:38:19 AM
EMB
I have no idea what you're talking about. Please advise.
Quote from: hbionic on November 03, 2008, 06:22:19 PM
Dawkins looked foolish on that play. It was more his fault that anything.
i dont know about "more" his fault.. but for every couple of good plays dawk makes.. he seems to want to throw a blaine bishop in there.
it was still litos guy but dawk took a horrible angle and looked silly when he met him at the sideline.
Not to belabor the point but five years ago Dawkins might make that same mistake but the difference between then and now is obviously his recovery speed.
Lito's at fault for getting toasted, though.
I've about had it with him and his prima donna antics.
Koren Robinson is one of the fastest receivers in the game. 8 out of 10 times he dicks a safety on that play...Dawk hesitated instead of just plowing into the guy. Can't put too much blame on Dawk even though he got shook, but Lito blew that play more than anyone.
Dawkins = Still an Eagle
Lito = Still a vagina
For Lito to bump his gums as much as he does, he cannot go out and get shook on plays like that while demanding a new contract. And then he gets hurt again.
Sheldon is solid. But his kryptonite is Plaxico Burress. Keep him away from #17 on Sunday. Johnson, although he probably won't, needs to let Samuel shadow him.
Quote from: FastFreddie on November 04, 2008, 11:51:41 AM
Quote from: Rome on November 04, 2008, 11:38:19 AM
EMB
I have no idea what you're talking about. Please advise.
QuoteI'm not saying LJ is the greatest blocker in the world, but he's pretty good. Refer to the 2006 season as an example.
I didn't notice this last night, but did Reid actually give Joselio the start last night over Lito?
As my AZN friends would say... ROR!
Pro Bowl?
Anyone see Lito yesterday?
Joselio was on the field most of the time. Much like in the Cards game, but Lito was at least seen there.
he was quoted in the inqy players and their guns article...
Eagles CB Lito Sheppard has been relegated to special teams duty with CB Joselio Hanson taking over the nickel back role.--Source: Philadelphia Inquirer & Daily News
man, hes in for a fat paycheck next year--nice job Lito
when you gonna learn-dont farg with the Eagles
Wow. I know Lito ain't having the best year in the world, but Damn. Andy Reid ain't no joke.
On the flip side:
Over/Under on the number of KO returns Cribbs takes to the house Monday night cuz Lito's doggin' it...
bad things happen to bad people...this karma is why the current eagles regime will never win a superbowl
If you can get past the hating on Lito, you can find out some good stuff about Joselio (other than the fact that he's got a huge dong.) (http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/20081210_Paul_Domowitch__Eagles__Hanson_making_Sheppard_disappear.html)
QuotePaul Domowitch: Eagles' Hanson making Sheppard disappear
By Paul Domowitch
Philadelphia Daily News
Daily News Sports Columnist
IF YOU HAD trouble spotting Lito Sheppard on the field Sunday during the Eagles' 20-14 win over the Giants, there's nothing wrong with your eyesight. Except for a few special-teams appearances, he didn't play. Wasn't on the field for any of his team's 51 defensive snaps.
No doubt, there are more than a few conspiracy theorists out there who believe Sheppard's benching was orchestrated by a vindictive front office intent on showing Mr. Sheppard and his over-moussed agent, Drew Rosenhaus, what happens to players who have the audacity to squawk about the number of zeroes in their paycheck.
This, of course, ignores the fact that defensive coordinator Jim Johnson has complete autonomy over who plays and doesn't play. And all of Johnson's personnel decisions are, and always have been, based strictly on who can best help keep the other team out of the end zone, not on who is in Joe Banner's dog pound. The day Banner or owner Jeff Lurie or even head coach Andy Reid tells Johnson who to play is the day he puts Philadelphia in his rearview mirror.
The reason Sheppard, a one-time Pro Bowler, spent Sunday as his team's unused No. 4 corner is because right now the Eagles are a much better defense with Joselio Hanson on the field as their nickel corner than they are with Sheppard.
Sheppard may be the most talented cornerback on the team. But he can't play hurt, which is too often the case, and, as he has proved this season, he also can't play unhappy.
Hanson, meanwhile, has become a key contributor to a defense that heads into Sunday's game against the Browns ranked sixth in the league against the pass (187.4 yards allowed per game), second in opponent completion percentage (.550) and ninth in opponent passer rating (77.6).
"The last couple of years, when I've been in there playing the nickel, it seems like good things happen to the team," said Hanson, who was signed by the Eagles out of now-defunct NFL Europe in the spring of 2006.
Hanson started four games last season and spent most of the year as the third corner in Johnson's nickel package. He hoped to be in the same role this season, but when the Eagles signed Asante Samuel in March and didn't trade Sheppard, Hanson opened the season as the team's No. 4 corner.
"I was a little upset,'' he said. "I mean, I felt like I was getting better and better each year. You want to continue to move up. You don't want to stay in the same spot or go backwards. But it seems like every year I start out as the fourth [corner] and work my way up. I told myself I was just going to go to camp and do what I've always done - work my butt off."
Samuel signed a $56 million contract. Sheppard and Sheldon Brown both were high picks with long-term deals. What's a guy from NFL Europe to do except keep his mouth shut and try to prove to the coaches that he belongs on the field?
"Everybody that plays this game wants to be a starter," Hanson said. "But some things don't work out that way. There's a lot of politics in this game. They have more money invested in certain guys and things like that. There are obvious reasons [why people play]. Everybody knows that. I couldn't get down on myself. I did everything I could. Eventually, I got a chance to play again and got better and proved I belong out there."
Hanson's chance came in the second half of the Eagles' 40-26, Week 6 win over the 49ers. Sheppard - surprise, surprise - strained his hamstring in the third quarter and Hanson replaced him. He's been the nickel corner ever since.
Initially, Johnson took Brown out of the nickel and had him play in his base and dime (six defensive backs) packages to make room for Hanson and Sheppard. Two weeks ago, when Samuel couldn't play against the Cardinals because of a neck stinger, Hanson started in his place rather than Sheppard. Then, last week, when Samuel returned, Sheppard became the odd man out.
"Joselio just has a good feel for the game," Johnson said. "You tell him something once and he'll do it and you don't have to say anything about it again. You can see he's around the ball. He's got a real nose for the football and a feel for the defense. And he's physical. He plays hard and he plays tough."
Hanson's impact on the pass defense this season is evident in the numbers. In the first six games, opposing quarterbacks averaged 6.88 yards per attempt and had a .571 completion percentage. In the seven games since Hanson moved into his nickel role, they've allowed just 5.99 yards per attempt and a .533 completion percentage.
Johnson can use Hanson anywhere. While he primarily lines up in the slot, he also can play outside on either the left side or right. When Johnson used a nickel alignment last week against the Giants that included three safeties and two cornerbacks to better defend against the run on passing downs, he kept Hanson in with Brown and took out Samuel, whose tackling skills aren't much better than Sheppard's.
"It just proves I'm a good corner, man," Hanson said. "I'm more valuable than people think because I can play so many positions. I can play inside or outside. I could even play safety if I had to. I couldn't hit like Dawk [Brian Dawkins] or Quintin [Mikell], but I could get the job done."
Hanson has come a long way since being released by the 49ers after the '04 season. When no other NFL teams called, he went over to NFL Europe and played well enough to get free-agent offers from three teams,
including the Eagles.
Nobody gave him much of a chance of making the Eagles that year, but Johnson liked the 5-9, 185-pounder's smarts and toughness.
"There were just 2 weeks of OTA [organized training activities] left when I got here," Hanson said. "I took a lot of notes. I didn't even practice because I didn't know what I was doing here. But I took notes the whole time. When I went on vacation before training camp, I studied my notes real good and came back to training camp and took it from there."
Hanson isn't a star, probably never will be. But he's OK with that. It just makes him work harder.
"When you're a free agent,
you're coming in at the bottom," he said. "You gotta work your way up. It never ends. Proving yourself never ends. I'm on a mission, man. My contract is up after this year, so I'm on another mission.
"I'm not just playing for me. I'm playing for my mom, my family, everybody. I'm playing for my future. You're going to play even harder when you're playing for your future. I don't want to regret after the season that I didn't prepare enough for a game or didn't play hard enough. I don't want to look back and say, 'Damn, I should've been more ready.' " *
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 10, 2008, 12:28:26 PM
bad things happen to bad people...this karma is why the current eagles regime will never win a superbowl
Hanson has played well enough to warrant getting more playing time, while Sheppard has played poorly enough that it is too risky to put him on the field.
I don't see where "karma" comes into play here.
you gots to keep yo boys happy
if they aint happy they aint playin good
when that goes down you gots to cut them loose
Quote
This, of course, ignores the fact that defensive coordinator Jim Johnson has complete autonomy over who plays and doesn't play. And all of Johnson's personnel decisions are, and always have been, based strictly on who can best help keep the other team out of the end zone, not on who is in Joe Banner's dog pound. The day Banner or owner Jeff Lurie or even head coach Andy Reid tells Johnson who to play is the day he puts Philadelphia in his rearview mirror.
bwahahaha....wake up domo
yeah jim johnson wanted sean considine and matt mccoy in the line up to keep people out of the end zone
like jim johnson at 100 years old and making head coach money is gonna go ANYWHERE
lol @ mgy
Quote from: Wingspan on December 10, 2008, 12:40:55 PM
lol @ mgy
another hater in the house
join the great minds club dunny dont fight it
MDS=mgy
i know this
you know what
this... or that, from our view.
Doesn't anybody care about the other thing?
Hanson is just another Rod Hood/Clinton Hart type player that isnt as talented as a guy like Lito, but the work ethic is there, and Johnson really coaches up his players
The other thing is the only thing that ever mattered.
I know this.
He knew that.
Lito (http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/99-12182008-1640025.html), from pro-bowl starter to garbage man.
Quote from: shorebird on December 18, 2008, 08:17:23 AM
Lito (http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/99-12182008-1640025.html), from pro-bowl starter to garbage man.
at least he is not being a distraction.
i dont know if its mental or not but he played a lot for the majority of the season. they play nickel and dime a lot and he was out there. he just did not show up.
if he could get his head back into the game and stay healthy he is def one of the better corners in the league.
His pride was hurt, and he can't overcome it.
Lito's not worth a bag of balls right now. Chalk another failure up to the Reid regime. They can't even play a guy into a better position to get traded.
Lito hasn't helped himself at all, though. Femaledogmade all the way.
Quote"One more!" yelled Eagles cornerback Lito Sheppard as he walked into the visitors locker room after the game.
"Two more, Lito," a reporter said.
"Oh, yeah," said Sheppard.
Lito got trucked on STs today, maybe he was concussed.
Quote"One more!" yelled Eagles cornerback Lito Sheppard as he walked into the visitors locker room after the game.
"Two more, Lito," a reporter said.
"Oh, yeah," said Sheppard.
He was talking about how many months he has left on the Eagles.
Quote from: Rome on December 18, 2008, 01:45:22 PM
Lito's not worth a bag of balls right now. Chalk another failure up to the Reid regime. They can't even play a guy into a better position to get traded.
Lito hasn't helped himself at all, though. Femaledogmade all the way.
Rome, you'll be blaming Andy for that traffic jam on Broad St on Feb 4.
lito didn't play at all on D yesterday....not 1 play. against a team with a potent passing attack like the cards.
crazy.
Quote from: hunt on January 19, 2009, 06:38:51 PM
lito didn't play at all on D yesterday....not 1 play. against a team with a potent passing attack like the cards.
crazy.
they didnt need him with the way assante samuel stepped up
Your boy Demps looked sharp too. I'd have benched his ass after he laid out Warner. That was beyond ridiculous.
I couldn't help but to laugh. I mean he damn near knocked Warner right into the ref.
Outside of those 2 drives where the defense forced 3 and outs no one played well on D. Not a single one of them.
Not Demps, Dawkins, Mikell, the LBs, and def not the line. Does not help that JJ keeps employing the BLITZ EVERYONE AND LEAVE CORNERS ONE ON ONE defense.
their corners are supposed to be left alone...they paid 30 million for one of them and have the luxory of benching a pro bowler...the whole reason to have them is so they can sit on an island while the blitzes kill the qb...problem is arizonas game plan brilliantly counteracted the blitz
im sorry but no corner can hold up against a fitz or boldin when the blitz does not reach and they are left on a island.
the times they forced a 3 and out was when the pressure got to warner. arizona did a great job of picking up the blitz and rendering the DLINE useless.
they didnt pick up the blitz they negated it by throwing quick passes to the vacated area which was usually the strongside flat
point is it did not matter who was corner. if lito was in it would have made no difference.
JJ's lack of adjustment killed them there. the Dline once again fails to produce any pressure on its own.
I actually think Lito would of made a big difference had JJ changed on the fly
if JJ decided not to blitz for the 27th time, put Lito in more for zone coverage while the corners go one on one, Lito roams and could possibly make Warner to force silly mistakes--something hes prone to do.
but the only way you can do that is if the dline gets pressure as well--which we didnt get to see that much because Warner was banging 3-step drop passes. I did notice when he was taking 5-7 steps Cole was getting there here and there...but the other guys were doing nathanson
Quote from: MadMarchHare on January 19, 2009, 07:58:38 PM
Your boy Demps looked sharp too. I'd have benched his ass after he laid out Warner. That was beyond ridiculous.
There are bad penalties and good penalties.
That was a great penalty.
That was a farging stupid penalty, you silly bitch. The Cardinals do not need help moving down the field. It didn't rattle Warner in the slightest. It intimidated no one. He was stupid enough to do it right in front of the ref.
Yep. Embarrassing penalty.
Between that stupid penalty, him getting twisted into the ground by Fitz and then Abiamiri being a bonehead, Akers being off...so many farging mistakes.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 20, 2009, 11:08:52 AM
Between that stupid penalty, him getting twisted into the ground by Fitz and then Abiamiri being a bonehead, Akers being off...so many farging mistakes.
The amount of mistakes and boneheaded plays helped ease some of the pain. We can't look back and say "If only that one play hadn't happened than.............." There were so many farg ups all around the field on Sunday where do we begin. From the coaching booth, QB, Defense, ST, penalties, etc. the birds were fortunate to have scored 25 points.
48 hours later and I'm still pissed. I am going to be pissed for a long time, at least until the Phillies get their rings.
Happy thoughts, Don... happy thoughts.
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aaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhh :)
QuoteEagles' Sheppard made plays off the field
By FRANK SERAVALLI
Philadelphia Daily News
seravaf@phillynews.com
WHEN LARRY Fitzgerald and Kurt Warner picked apart the Eagles' defense on Sunday, Lito Sheppard wasn't on the field. Most players would have a little pent-up angst, the "I could have done better" competitive thinking.
Not Sheppard. Not this season, anyway. After Quintin Demps was burned on one play, Sheppard went over to give him a pep talk.
"That's a tough situation he was in," Sheppard said. "You win some of those battles and you lose some. He is a rookie in this league. I told him, 'Let that go. Because you're going to play in this league a long time and you're going to see those if you play long enough.' "
If part of the Eagles' miraculous run to the NFC Championship Game is due to team chemistry, then Sheppard should get more than his fair share of credit. It is just hard to imagine that given Sheppard's limited on-field contributions that he would be such a force off it.
"These guys are like my brothers," Sheppard said. "There are a lot of bonds made with guys on this team."
"I've been saying it all season, we are like a band of brothers," fellow cornerback Sheldon Brown said. "We just had a chemistry on this team that worked out. When you bring in certain guys, sometimes it doesn't work the same way."
In the beginning of the season, things didn't look so friendly inside the confines of the NovaCare Complex. The Eagles had brought in high-priced free-agent corner Asante Samuel. A zealous agent - Drew Rosenhaus - and a reportedly jealous cornerback seemed to have the potential to fracture the locker room.
Instead, Sheppard kept quiet - for the most part - keeping the issues with his contract and lack of playing time to himself. He made the inauspicious transition from former Pro Bowler to anonymous special-teams player peacefully.
"I did that all in the character of me," Sheppard said. "They were winning. They had a chance to win the Super Bowl. [With] the love I had for these guys, I didn't want to mess that up.
"It was pretty humbling, actually. Not being able to do something you love, it's almost like when a guy is injured. He wants to be out there when he knows he can help the team. For whatever reason he is just not out there.
"I had to humble myself . . . and put the team first and not let self get in the way of that."
Despite this season's low numbers - 21 tackles and one interception - Sheppard believes he can still be a game-changing cornerback in the NFL on a weekly basis.
"I just know I can play this game at a high level," he said. "I've been playing it at a high level. The only thing negative that was talked about me to this point was injuries. I played a full 16 games with some minor muscle aches, I don't see why I wouldn't be out there."
While returning to the Eagles next season is a possibility, Sheppard wouldn't say where he might end up.
"It's possible," Sheppard said of returning to Philadelphia. "It's possible anywhere.
"I want to be back on the field playing next year. That is the most important thing. It needs to happen."
Sheppard said that he "absolutely" could not withstand another year on the sideline.
"Without a doubt," he said. "I need to be playing."
The only problem is that decision is out of his control. Sheppard's request for a trade was not honored when the Eagles couldn't find any suitors at the beginning of the season. A sign of his lack of playing time, Sheppard made just two tackles - both against Minnesota in the wild-card game - in the last seven games.
Coach Andy Reid wouldn't address any possible player personnel moves yesterday.
"It [the loss] is just too fresh," Reid said. "I don't really want to get into any of that stuff yet."
For now, Sheppard says he will "head down South and warm up" and spend time away from football. Where will he be 6 months from now when training camp opens at Lehigh?
"I'm not looking that far ahead," Sheppard said. "I'll just let the people that make those decisions make them."
Wherever Sheppard goes - a remote Caribbean island or just back to Jacksonville, Fla. - he has a season full of lessons to take with him.
"It definitely made me stronger," he said. "Every year you are presented with different obstacles. I think all of that kind of defines who you are. How you react to those situations can determine where you go from there."
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 19, 2009, 09:43:45 PM
their corners are supposed to be left alone...they paid 30 million for one of them and have the luxory of benching a pro bowler...the whole reason to have them is so they can sit on an island while the blitzes kill the qb...problem is arizonas game plan brilliantly counteracted the blitz
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 19, 2009, 09:49:26 PM
they didnt pick up the blitz they negated it by throwing quick passes to the vacated area which was usually the strongside flat
Um, isn't the point of paying 30M for a corner to take away the quick pass so that the rush/blitz can get to the QB?
Quote from: Cerevant on January 21, 2009, 06:04:19 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 19, 2009, 09:43:45 PM
their corners are supposed to be left alone...they paid 30 million for one of them and have the luxory of benching a pro bowler...the whole reason to have them is so they can sit on an island while the blitzes kill the qb...problem is arizonas game plan brilliantly counteracted the blitz
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 19, 2009, 09:49:26 PM
they didnt pick up the blitz they negated it by throwing quick passes to the vacated area which was usually the strongside flat
Um, isn't the point of paying 30M for a corner to take away the quick pass so that the rush/blitz can get to the QB?
they werent throwing it to guys that were covered tho...they were releasing free men into the flat and the area vacated by the blitzer...it wasnt like corners were getting beat it was a case of uncovered guys just running free...it was a brilliant plan to counteract jj's blitz and they had the perfect qb to do it
And JJ had the perect plan of not anticiapting that or adjusting after seeing a 100 screen plays.
I want to know how they controlled the Cardinals offense so well the first time and so poorly the second time.
IGY will probably point to Asante Samuel not being on the field in the Thanksgiving game, but even conceding that point, there had to be a lot more to it than that.
samuel was as much a factor sunday as he was on thanksgiving so i dont think that had anything to do with it
it was clearly the short week = ill prepared and unfocused
road game vs home game obviously hurts you
and eagles had nothing to play for and thats when they step up
on the flip side cards had nothing to play for on thanksgiving whereas sunday being the nfc championship game they elevated their game as they should while the eagles didnt
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 21, 2009, 10:18:19 AM
they werent throwing it to guys that were covered tho...they were releasing free men into the flat and the area vacated by the blitzer...it wasnt like corners were getting beat it was a case of uncovered guys just running free...it was a brilliant plan to counteract jj's blitz and they had the perfect qb to do it
Great theory if the numbers panned out. 13 out of 21 passes went to WRs, 9 to Fitz. The corners were not covering the WRs.
Quote from: FastFreddie on January 21, 2009, 12:18:06 PM
I want to know how they controlled the Cardinals offense so well the first time and so poorly the second time.
The Cardinals actually moved the ball pretty well. If Boldin didn't have one of the worst games of his career by dropping at least three passes, one of which was a TD, that game could have been a lot closer
Quote from: Cerevant on January 21, 2009, 01:29:52 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 21, 2009, 10:18:19 AM
they werent throwing it to guys that were covered tho...they were releasing free men into the flat and the area vacated by the blitzer...it wasnt like corners were getting beat it was a case of uncovered guys just running free...it was a brilliant plan to counteract jj's blitz and they had the perfect qb to do it
Great theory if the numbers panned out. 13 out of 21 passes went to WRs, 9 to Fitz. The corners were not covering the WRs.
yeah and a team that has larry fitzgerald anquan boldin and no te threw almost half their balls to backs or te's
also many of the balls in the first half regardless of who caught them were in in an area vacated by a blitzer.,..hence no one was covering man on the play
remind me again why im discussing an nfl game with a canadian who didnt even watch it
Quote from: Tomahawk on January 21, 2009, 06:14:43 PM
Quote from: FastFreddie on January 21, 2009, 12:18:06 PM
I want to know how they controlled the Cardinals offense so well the first time and so poorly the second time.
The Cardinals actually moved the ball pretty well. If Boldin didn't have one of the worst games of his career by dropping at least three passes, one of which was a TD, that game could have been a lot closer
He also fumbled in the 4rth qrt which sealed the game for the Eagles.
That was a throwaway game for the Cards. They had many of those since they won the division basically by week 4. They threw away the Eagles game, the Pats game, and some others.
In that game though, the Eagles pressure did get to Warner from the start. The other factor was that the Eagles jumped out to a lead. Westbrook also bothered to show up for once.
Quote from: Magical_Retard on January 21, 2009, 06:30:05 PMWestbrook also bothered to show up for once.
I cannot tolerate comments like this. Westbrook is irreproachable. The guy cannot single handedly win every game.
I think Sheldon Brown is a shut-down corner that thrives against big time receivers
I think he and Dawk and the rest of the secondary need to remember that tackling is not a shoulder-spearing exhibition. The arms are to be used as well, specifically to be wrapped around the defender at the moment of contact
Quote from: Diomedes on January 21, 2009, 07:43:19 PM
Quote from: Magical_Retard on January 21, 2009, 06:30:05 PMWestbrook also bothered to show up for once.
I cannot tolerate comments like this. Westbrook is irreproachable. The guy cannot single handedly win every game.
I love him. But I just hate that he is never there in the big games cause he is either hurt or Reid decides to show everyone how great the passing game is.
The team desperately needed their offensive weapon to have some sort of a game. He was absent in all three games. Maybe they need a 2nd back who can play all season and they can bring Westbrook in just for the playoffs.
Quote from: Diomedes on January 21, 2009, 07:49:12 PM
I think he and Dawk and the rest of the secondary need to remember that tackling is not a shoulder-spearing exhibition. [b[ The arms are to be used as well, specifically to be wrapped around the defender at the moment of contact[/b]
I wonder when they forgot how to do this.
Quote from: Diomedes on January 21, 2009, 07:49:12 PM
I think he and Dawk and the rest of the secondary need to remember that tackling is not a shoulder-spearing exhibition. The arms are to be used as well, specifically to be wrapped around the defender at the moment of contact
Hell yeah.
I can think of examples all through the game, but the one that sticks out the most to me is the final TD on the screen to Hightower. He gets near the goal line and has Bradley going at his legs. Demps is coming down, running parallel to the goal line and just lays his shoulder into Hightower. He has to know that there IS NO WAY he can let him cross the goal line and wrap him up so he doesn't bounce off of him and fall into the end zone like he did.
I love this defense for the most part, but that is something that has always bothered me over the years about them is their tackling. They seem to miss
a lot.
http://www.philly.com/dailynews/sports/20090223_Eagles_-_Expect_some_free-agent_decision_from_Eagles_this_week.html
QuoteTo the outside observer, Friday's signing of Hanson would seem likely to signal the pending trade of disgruntled corner Lito Sheppard. After all, the Eagles expect to gain the services of Jack Ikegwuono, the corner they were able to draft in the fourth round last year, instead of the first or second, because he was coming off serious knee surgery.
Of course, Banner disagreed with that assessment.
"We're open to trading [Sheppard] if we get the right value," Banner said. "Quality cornerbacks are a valuable asset."
Sheppard, replaced as a starter by Asante Samuel and disappointed at not getting traded last year, played far below his two-time Pro Bowl level. By the end of the season, he wasn't playing at all. One would think the price tag would have come down from a year ago, when the Birds were said to have been seeking a first- or high second-round pick for Sheppard.
"I don't really think it is [lower]," Banner said. "His value to us is the same. If we went into training camp and one of our starting corners went down and we'd given away Lito Sheppard, we'd look like idiots."
If Banner is serious, he's an Eagle next year as well because no one is going to give much for him.
So the Eagles are looking at a CB corps of Samuel, Brown, Hanson, Ikegwuono and Sheppard...pretty solid.
banner is a farging moron
and i hope the next philly writer or sportscaster who mentions jack ikegwuono in the mix for a corner spot gets fired...its so beyond absurd that i dont understand how they keep their jobs and talk about that guy...and i always hear it...
forget the fact that the guy had a heinous knee injury and come opening day will not have played a meaningful football game in almost two years...but im pretty sure the eagles took him with the intention of him being a safety...even before his injury there were big questions as to whether he could be a corner in the nfl..
but none of that matters and all of a sudden lito is expendable because of this chump...seriously do these people even follow the team they cover
I buy my sticky from Jack Ikewonego
(http://sonsofsimmons.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/jackikeg1.jpg)
Wow, I actually never noticed the yay on the table...idiot.
Might be, but I think it's just some chopped up pills
its grounded up pills...probably adderall
I wish I laughed like that when Im geared up
no shtein, those boys are having a good time
They're probably watching C-SPAN.
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 23, 2009, 02:20:36 PM
its grounded up pills...probably adderall
it'll be a coup when they start selling ADHD drugs that can't be abused
Quote from: FastFreddie on February 23, 2009, 03:20:44 PM
it'll be a coup when they stop inventing diseases that only serve to keep us all over medicated
Quote from: FastFreddie on February 23, 2009, 03:20:44 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 23, 2009, 02:20:36 PM
its grounded up pills...probably adderall
it'll be a coup when they start selling ADHD drugs that can't be abused
Its called Strattera (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strattera)
Quote from: rjs246 on February 23, 2009, 03:33:44 PM
it'll be a coup when they stop inventing diseases that only serve to keep us all over medicated
So, you take a hyperactive kid, give him some speed and he calms down. Sounds perfectly normal to me.
QuoteDespite missing out on Panthers CB Ken Lucas, the Lions reportedly remain adamant about trading for a cornerback.
"They're trying to trade for any and every cornerback," a league source told MLive.com. Potential targets include Lito Sheppard, Shawntae Spencer, Deshea Townsend, Stanford Routt, Cletis Gordon, and Carlos Rogers.
Source: MLive.com
Hmmmm....since Detriot sucked so bad they have the first pick in any round. Trading Lito for any of their picks is essentially a "round up" pick, since each pick they have is the first in the round.
Give them Lito for their 3rd rounder and be done with it.
Anybody see something about Mortensen reporting Lito to the Jets ? I'm still at work...
Oh man, I hope they traded for the rights to Favre!
NY Daily News:
QuoteNow that former Ravens ILB Bart Scott is in the fold, new Jets coach Rex Ryan has turned his attention to the secondary. They have targeted free-agent CB Corey Ivy, formerly of the Ravens, and are confident they can get a deal done.
But here's the big one - they're working on a trade for Eagles CB Lito Sheppard, according to league sources.
In fact, Sheppard is due to visit tomorrow with the Jets. The former first-round pick has one year remaining on his contract, with a base salary of $3 million, but he has been looking to be traded ever since the Eagles signed CB Asante Samuel last offseason.
Sheppard would step in as a starter, opposite Pro Bowl CB Darrelle Revis. Ivy will be a nickel back, his role with the Ravens.
Terms of Ivy's deal weren't immediately available. It's unclear what the Jets would be willing to part with for Sheppard.
Anything would be good at this point. 7th rounder. Some towels. A bag of chips. Fritos for Lito!
Quote from: BigEd76 on February 27, 2009, 06:39:24 PM
Anybody see something about Mortensen reporting Lito to the Jets ? I'm still at work...
http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/jets/
QuoteJets target Ivy, look to trade for SheppardFebruary 27, 2009
D. Rex is at it again.
Now that former Ravens ILB Bart Scott is in the fold, new Jets coach Rex Ryan has turned his attention to the secondary. They have targeted free-agent CB Corey Ivy, formerly of the Ravens, and are confident they can get a deal done.
But here's the big one - they're working on a trade for Eagles CB Lito Sheppard, according to league sources.
In fact, Sheppard is due to visit tomorrow with the Jets. The former first-round pick has one year remaining on his contract, with a base salary of $3 million, but he has been looking to be traded ever since the Eagles signed CB Asante Samuel last offseason.
Sheppard would step in as a starter, opposite Pro Bowl CB Darrelle Revis. Ivy will be a nickel back, his role with the Ravens.
Terms of Ivy's deal weren't immediately available. It's unclear what the Jets would be willing to part with for Sheppard.
Meanwhile, here's a breakdown of Scott's contract. The 6-year deal includes about $22 million in guarantees, with $27 million coming in the first three seasons. It's believed the Ravens offered a 6-year package for $45 million.
His agent, Harold Lewis, claims that Scott never wavered in signing with the Jets, and that he never went back to the Ravens to squeeze more money out of them.
yay, more 4th rd draft picks!
Quote from: IamJoe on February 27, 2009, 06:51:01 PM
yay, more 4th rd draft picks!
They can use those fourth round picks to move up in the earlier rounds. Then trade those picks for first rounders next year. Then take those first rounders and trade back into the second round, picking up more fourth rounder for the following year.
I think they should trade Lito to Denver for Dawkins.
I want to take a shtein on Banners foot
Quote from: reese125 on February 27, 2009, 06:54:15 PM
I want to take a shtein on Banners foot
He could probably make a lot of money selling the rights to do that.
Quote from: General_Failure on February 27, 2009, 06:52:10 PM
Quote from: IamJoe on February 27, 2009, 06:51:01 PM
yay, more 4th rd draft picks!
They can use those fourth round picks to move up in the earlier rounds. Then trade those picks for first rounders next year. Then take those first rounders and trade back into the second round, picking up more fourth rounder for the following year.
you're on a whole different level than me. I was just hoping to get a black Matt McCoy.
Derrick Gunn says that Lito trade will give the Eagles a 5th rounder in 09 and anywhere from a 2nd to a 4th in 2010 based on playing time.
Quote from: Zanshin on February 27, 2009, 06:52:33 PM
I think they should trade Lito to Denver for Dawkins.
POTY
Quote from: King Cole on February 27, 2009, 08:32:49 PM
Derrick Gunn says that Lito trade will give the Eagles a 5th rounder in 09 and anywhere from a 2nd to a 4th in 2010 based on playing time.
Now confirmed by Schefter. Physical tomorrow
Quote from: BigEd76 on February 27, 2009, 10:05:51 PM
Quote from: King Cole on February 27, 2009, 08:32:49 PM
Derrick Gunn says that Lito trade will give the Eagles a 5th rounder in 09 and anywhere from a 2nd to a 4th in 2010 based on playing time.
Now confirmed by Schefter. Physical tomorrow
If it turns out to be a 2nd or even a 3rd then it's a decent deal, hopefully the Jets blow next year but lets not hold our breathes (*cough Panthers *cough*). I wish they'd just say to the Jets here's a 4th and Sheppard give us your 2nd, cause injuries suck.
A 3rd and a 5th or 2nd and 5th would be great.
Still pissed about Dawk.
Officially no longer "still an Eagle" according to PE.com... says he was traded for two draft picks, I guess the 5th rounder in 2009 and the conditional 2010 pick.
He signed an extension too...it takes effect in March 2010 and is something like 4/27 with a $10M SB.
you have to figure the extension means that he meets all the playing requirements for the eagles to get the highest possible pick in 2010
True.
Probably put a % of snaps played in there too since he gets injured a lot too.
Do we know yet what the picks were? 5th and 3rd/2nd?
Could be as high as a #2 which is amazing considering New England only got a #2 for Cassel & Mike Vrabel. I think that was a sweetheart deal between Pioli & Belichick though.
Belicheck really seems like the type of guy that would give someone/anyone a "discount" deal. Solid point.
You don't think a guy who got franchised at the most important position in the game is worth more than a 2 and farging Mike Vrabel?
Otay.
I sure would think so, but if Belicheck had anything to do with letting that happen, I'd be very surprised. Although, it is possible that Belicheck strongly voiced his opinion that Brady is his guy and Vrabel is ready to be sold for glue.
Still, seriously... When was the last time Belicheck ever cut anyone a break?
Well, Belichick is normally a prick so I see what you're saying there but when I read about that deal the first thing I thought of was A.J. Feeley and the Dolphins giving up a two to get his worthless ass.
QB's really are that valuable and although I think Cassel was the beneficiary of a great corps of receiver he was still worth more on paper than what they got for him.
As high as the Chiefs are in the draft order, a 2nd rounder from them isn't all that bad.
Quote from: Rome on March 01, 2009, 11:07:36 AMQB's really are that valuable and although I think Cassel was the beneficiary of a great corps of receiver he was still worth more on paper than what they got for him.
Perhaps so, but it obviously wasn't worth it to the Pats to carry both he and Brady. I don't for a second believe they would have gotten a first round pick for him, and they wanted the 20 mill off their books so they took the deal. It doesn't seem crazy to me.
That is also very true. They have three #2's now. If it were the Eagles they'd blow two out of three but the Patriots might end up with three Pro Bowlers.
Quote from: Diomedes on March 01, 2009, 11:11:57 AM
Quote from: Rome on March 01, 2009, 11:07:36 AMQB's really are that valuable and although I think Cassel was the beneficiary of a great corps of receiver he was still worth more on paper than what they got for him.
Perhaps so, but it obviously wasn't worth it to the Pats to carry both he and Brady. I don't for a second believe they would have gotten a first round pick for him, and they wanted the 20 mill off their books so they took the deal. It doesn't seem crazy to me.
I was typing this, scrolled down, saw your reply. The Pats didn't have that much leverage.
Quote from: Rome on March 01, 2009, 11:12:33 AM
That is also very true. They have three #2's now. If it were the Eagles they'd blow two out of three but the Patriots might end up with three Pro Bowlers.
The Eagles' new strategy seems to be to let the Patriots draft talent and then try to sign their players to their second contracts, because the Pats' FO might be the only one more pennywise than the Eagles'.
looking at what Lito was traded for, Cassell, LMAO at the Cowpukes and their trade for Roy Williams
I lol'd at this article:
QuoteFebruary 27, 10:53 PM
by Angel Navedo, New York Jets Examiner
"Hello, police? This is the Philadelphia Eagles. Yes, I'd like to report a robbery. The New York Jets just ran off with our cornerback! What do you mean, 'How do I know?' They left a late-round draft pick in his place. Please! Come quickly!"
In a day that will go down in infamy, the New York Jets have completed terms to a trade with the Philadelphia Eagles to acquire the services of two-time Pro Bowl CB Lito Sheppard.
Sheppard had fallen out of favor with the Eagles in recent years.
The acquisition of Asante Samuel and the emergence of Sheldon Brown combined to force Sheppard back on the depth chart. It also helped provide an insanely low asking price for a former first round pick.
Sheppard was selected 26th-overall in 2002—four picks after Bryan Thomas—and is now expected to start opposite Darrelle Revis. He provides an immediate upgrade at the position, and comes at an unfairly low risk for the Jets.
Compensation for the trade is being reported as a fifth round draft pick in 2009, and a conditional draft pick in 2010. The trade may also require a new contract for Sheppard, who had been vocal about wanting an extension or a release in Philadelphia.
None of the free agent corners that are available provide the same kind of value as Sheppard. With options like Leigh Bodden roaming the market, the trade for a former Pro Bowl player was definitely the best option.
DeAngelo Hall and Domonique Foxworth received large contracts from the Washington taterskins and Baltimore Ravens, respectively. Those contracts may be the starting negotiation point for Sheppard.
Bringing in an experienced veteran who has excelled at his position instantly gives the Jets room for comfort in the secondary. It's an area that needed to be addressed, and was a concern heading into the offseason.
Trading for Sheppard does create some question marks around Dwight Lowery. After a solid start to his rookie campaign, Lowery found himself on the negative end of "upgrade" conversations.
Signing Ty Law placed Lowery on the bench, and with Lito Sheppard coming to town, it now looks like he won't have an opportunity to get his starting job back.
In fact, Lowery's role will be significantly reduced with Corey Ivy expected to sign with the Jets as well.
With Jim Leonhard expected to be the favorite for the safety position opposite Kerry Rhodes and Abram Elam signed on for $1.1M as a restricted free agent, Lowery may not even have an opportunity to rotate in the game.
Source NY Daily News
"Interesting details are trickling in on the Sheppard contract. It's a complex, but clever deal by GM Mike Tannenbaum that protects the Jets if Sheppard is a bust.
Some tidbits:
• Technically, there's no guaranteed money in the contract. Sheppard will make $3 million this season, the same he would've made with the Eagles.
• In March, 2010, there's a $10 million option bonus. If the Jets decide to pay it, a new four-year, $27.2 million kicks in.
• If Sheppard is injured and misses considerable time, the Jets can get out of the deal after one year and they wouldn't owe the Eagles a draft pick in 2010. If that's the case, all it would've cost them is a fifth-round pick in the '09 draft. One person familiar with the deal said it could amount to a "one-year test drive" for the Jets.
• The conditional pick in '10 can rise to a second-rounder, but only if he hits an 85% playing-time plateau AND receives the four-year extension. And if that does happen, the Jets would get a fifth-rounder back from the Eagles.
• If Sheppard makes 85%, but doesn't receive the extension, the Jets would owe a third-rounder to the Eagles and would recoup a fifth rounder.
• Obviously, there are a number of different scenarios, and I won't bore you with them, but this is the essence of the trade. Bottom line: If Sheppard stinks, it'll be a one-year deal for $3 million and would cost them a fifth-round pick. If he becomes a full-time starter, the Jets probably will have to give up a second- or third-rounder in addition to this year's fifth and they'll have to pay him roughly what this year's top cornerback free agents (the Colts' Kelvin Hayden and the Ravens' Domonique Foxworth) received on their just-signed deals."
I think Lito makes the 85% and the Birds get their most coveted pick of the draft--the almighty 3rd rounder
No way they pay that $10 mill. bonus. If anything they will cut him and then just resign him to a new contract the next day like NO did this year.
Or they'll cut him and he'll sign elsewhere for even more money which is all he cares about anyway.
no matter what, he's got incentive to play his ass off and not get hurt
Quote from: methdeez on March 02, 2009, 09:10:13 PM
No way they pay that $10 mill. bonus. If anything they will cut him and then just resign him to a new contract the next day like NO did this year.
That was my thought as well.
Although itwould be funny if he gets hurt again, who will he blame then?
Its a shame things went sour for Tito...he was good when he was on the field.
Do the Jets play the Cowboys at all this year?
http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/jets/2009/03/sheppard-set-for-a-fresh-start.html
Quote
Sheppard set for a fresh start
March 3, 2009
Well, he's no Bart Scott - in terms of conference-call pizzazz, that is.
We just finished a call with newly-acquired CB Lito Sheppard, formerly of the Eagles. As you probably know, the Jets acquired Sheppard for a fifth-round pick in the upcoming draft and, possibly, a conditional pick in 2010. He wasn't as chatty as Scott, and he really didn't get into specifics about what went wrong in Philly, but he said he's thankful to have a fresh start.
"It's great. It gives me a chance to get back on the football field and be the great player I try to be," he said. "That was one chapter in my book and I'm starting a new one."
Sheppard, who landed in Andy Reid's doghouse, was asked about the Philly saga.
"Obviously, we saw things a little different and one thing led to another," he said. "The best thing for me, if I wanted to continue to play football, was to go elsewhere. That's what we decided on. That's in the past now."
In Philly, Sheppard complained about his contract, got hurt a lot and was ticked off when the Eagles broke the bank to sign CB Asante Samuel. But he's only 27, with two Pro Bowls on his resume, and the Jets are hoping for a Kris Jenkins-like turnaround.
"Change is not always bad," Sheppard said. "Sometimes change can rejuvenate a player...If a player is not completely happy, it can affect his play, so the best thing for that player and the organization is to let the player go elsewhere."
Sheppard was asked a few questions about playing man-to-man coverage, which figures to be a big part of the Jets' new defensive package. He did it a lot in Philly, yet he wasn't too expansive on it.
"I've been playing seven years and I've been to two Pro Bowls, and I've had a pretty okay career to this point," he said. "I played a lot of man-to-man in Philadelphia, and we blitzed a lot there, so I'm pretty familiar with getting the job done, if that's the case."
Sheppard said he met CB Darrelle Revis the other day, and he said Revis is "definitely on the rise to be a star."
With Sheppard and Revis, and with former Raven Jim Leonard joining Kerry Rhodes at safety, the Jets secondary - on paper - is significantly better than last season.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 03, 2009, 04:35:32 PM
With Sheppard and Revis, and with former Raven Jim Leonard joining Kerry Rhodes at safety, the Jets secondary - on paper - is significantly better than last season.
this line jumped right out at me and really has me angry...of course all the moves arent going to pan out but while teams all over the nfl add pieces in an attempt to improve their teams what position are the eagles going to be better at next year?
all they are farging doing is trying stop gap a leaky clusterfarg of an offensive line placate a salty qb and replace a legendary team leader pro bowler at safety...everything they seem to do is to try to prevent areas from getting worse...where is the activity to actually upgrade?
They're content with mounds of draft picks and salary cap room.
We'll see some fastballs drafted in April though!
Jevon Kearse was Nolan Ryan. Remember?
Quote from: FastFreddie on March 03, 2009, 08:57:15 PM
Jevon Kearse was Nolan Ryan. Remember?
Unfortunately, he was Nolan Ryan at 46.
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 03, 2008, 03:05:53 PMsheldon absolutely murdered rosenhaus....
Quote"...Agents don't get the deals done. The player gets the deal done. That's what's disappointing.
"I wouldn't say it bothered me, because I'm bigger than that, I'm a professional ..."
hmm
good find there Ed.
full context helps...easy thats not like you to shady stuff up...take a read and what sheldon said about rosenpenis has nothing to do what hes doing now
Quote
Brown had several thoughts on the matter, starting with his view of Sheppard's idea that changing agents, from Peter Schaffer to Rosenhaus, would somehow get the Eagles to trade him, which was the ultimate point of last week's video.
"If you know (Rosenhaus') track record, it's more of a disappointment to me that he enticed the guy into signing with him," Brown said. "Thinking that he could get the deal done. Agents don't get the deals done. The player gets the deal done. That's what's disappointing.
"I wouldn't say it bothered me, because I'm bigger than that, I'm a professional ... Drew hasn't been with Sheldon Brown for 7 years; I think he's been with Lito for 2 months. He hasn't followed by career. He hasn't broke down any film; he probably couldn't tell you what number (Brown wears). It's really irrelevant ... (from watching the video) you would think the guy has been scouting tape and know(ing) the statistics and following us our whole career.
"A lot of times, people should just worry about their (own) jobs."
Ok, so Sheldon is right that players should worry about their own jobs, and he is doing that.
But like I said earlier when I mentioned about Banner getting a point for asking if its not about the money, then what is it about? It IS about the money for Sheldon, what else is he looking for?
The Eagles, specifically Banner, are terrible with this....but it doesn't absolve Brown or any other player from criticism.
This drama shtein gets old.
it definitely is about the money and a year ago sheldon would have said its probably all about the money...but since then he feels as tho hes been disrespected so badly by banner inc. (getting the run around and all that) that now its more than just the money
::)
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 22, 2009, 05:03:18 PM
it definitely is about the money and a year ago sheldon would have said its probably all about the money...but since then he feels as tho hes been disrespected so badly by banner inc. (getting the run around and all that) that now its more than just the money
And Banner is saying that him, Brandt and your boy Rosemann have sat down with Sheldon's agent. So who's telling the truth?
Is Sheldon coming public because they rebuffed his request? Or is Banner full of shtein and lying?
igs, here's another quote from that day:
Quote"There is a professional way to get it done. Brian [Westbrook] got something done without being a clown."
So any comments Sheldon made 7 months ago about being a professional don't apply to him because Rosenhaus isn't his agent? He was great friends with Lito and hated how all of that contract bullsh** was being handled, but now he's doing the same thing himself...
See, Phreak, I see it this way.
Do you see ANY other team that has this SAME issue year after year after year? Where a player goes public with the fact that the FO completely blows them off when they ask for a contract discussion?
I'm not saying that Eagles' players are the only ones unhappy, but they are consistently the only ones EVERY YEAR that you hear about in the news because the FO rebuffed them. Other teams, for the most part, take care of stuff behind closed doors. Even if its just to meet with the player and agent and say WHY they won't redo the contract, extend, raise, etc. Or they throw the player a bone of a small redo, small raise, etc. But they never let it get to THIS point and they certainly don't have the guy in charge dismiss the player like they were yesterday's garbage.
I used to defend the front office every offseason. I think it was 2 seasons ago that I stopped.
I have no doubt its the way that they do things that causes this to happen.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on April 22, 2009, 05:38:26 PM
See, Phreak, I see it this way.
Do you see ANY other team that has this SAME issue year after year after year? Where a player goes public with the fact that the FO completely blows them off when they ask for a contract discussion?
I'm not saying that Eagles' players are the only ones unhappy, but they are consistently the only ones EVERY YEAR that you hear about in the news because the FO rebuffed them. Other teams, for the most part, take care of stuff behind closed doors. Even if its just to meet with the player and agent and say WHY they won't redo the contract, extend, raise, etc. Or they throw the player a bone of a small redo, small raise, etc. But they never let it get to THIS point and they certainly don't have the guy in charge dismiss the player like they were yesterday's garbage.
I used to defend the front office every offseason. I think it was 2 seasons ago that I stopped.
I have no doubt its the way that they do things that causes this to happen.
You're right. But at the same time, and at the risk of sounding like I am defending the FO here when I am not, there are two sides to every story. Obviously we all lean towards the player because of the history with the Eagles FO being dickheads.
A player who is denied a contract extension, one with 4-years left, could be seen as being disposed as garbage and disrespected. But did they refuse to meet with him or is he just offended?
Take a little bit of Sheldon's story and a little bit of Banner's and we likely have the truth.
I fully, 100% believe that the FO completely and utterly disregarded his agent's phone calls and dismissed them as non-important.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on April 22, 2009, 05:57:47 PM
I fully, 100% believe that the FO completely and utterly disregarded his agent's phone calls and dismissed them as non-important.
Because they weren't. They were cutting a deal and making a contract for Jason Peters and preparing for the draft.
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 22, 2009, 06:11:15 PM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on April 22, 2009, 05:57:47 PM
I fully, 100% believe that the FO completely and utterly disregarded his agent's phone calls and dismissed them as non-important.
Because they weren't. They were cutting a deal and making a contract for Jason Peters and preparing for the draft.
Oh, sorry...I'd like to believe that they could multi-task a bit better than that. Nice excuse, FO whore.
Sheldon Brown wants more guaranteed money with four years on his contract. Call CNN.
You mean to tell me that the FO is too busy to give one of their longest tenured players a sit down meeting? Or even answer the farging phone when his agent calls?
The Eagles don't owe him a dime after 2009. I don't know why people keep saying it's four years left.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on April 22, 2009, 06:15:17 PM
You mean to tell me that the FO is too busy to give one of their longest tenured players a sit down meeting? Or even answer the farging phone when his agent calls?
The argument is ridiculous. If the team is actually ignoring attempts to meet, well farg that's just hard to imagine.
Quote from: Diomedes on April 22, 2009, 06:16:40 PM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on April 22, 2009, 06:15:17 PM
You mean to tell me that the FO is too busy to give one of their longest tenured players a sit down meeting? Or even answer the farging phone when his agent calls?
The argument is ridiculous. If the team is actually ignoring attempts to meet, well farg that's just hard to imagine.
But this is far from the first we've heard of this. This is the same shtein we hear year after year.
I know, I know. And maybe it's really happening. It's just so unbelievably unprofessional that I have a hard time wrapping my head around it.
Quote from: Diomedes on April 22, 2009, 06:18:27 PM
I know, I know. And maybe it's really happening. It's just so unbelievably unprofessional that I have a hard time wrapping my head around it.
I did too...after the first few years, I was still defending the FO. After Trotter, Hugh, etc....
But last year and even the year before, the pattern was too much. And this year after they let Dawkins go the way they did?
Its so unprofessional and wrong.
It's very possible. But it sounds more like they were trying to placate him with underlings while Banner was working on other shtein, and Brown cried foul at a very, very inopportune time.
Anyway, it's awesome we're now discussing this in two threads. I hope no one minds that I'm going to get another drink.
I badly want another drink myself, but it's time for my community association meeting at the local elementary school. I'm bringing a flask to pull on while I'm in the bathroom having a smoke.
Quote from: Diomedes on April 22, 2009, 06:25:48 PM
I badly want another drink myself, but it's time for my community association meeting at the local elementary school. I'm bringing a flask to pull on while I'm in the bathroom having a smoke.
Post of the year.
Quote from: BigEd76 on April 22, 2009, 05:37:01 PM
igs, here's another quote from that day:
Quote"There is a professional way to get it done. Brian [Westbrook] got something done without being a clown."
So any comments Sheldon made 7 months ago about being a professional don't apply to him because Rosenhaus isn't his agent? He was great friends with Lito and hated how all of that contract bullsh** was being handled, but now he's doing the same thing himself...
the clown he is referring to is rosenpenis not lito...hes saying the agent shouldnt be out front and making a mockery of negotiations...does anyone even know the name of sheldons agent...sheldon is saying it should be bwtn the player and the team...and thats exactly what sheldon has tried to do for almost a year now...get a face to face with banner inc. and for all that time they have been giving him the run around to the point where he is furious now and taking it to the next level...if was lito mouthing off last year sheldon wouldnt have had a problem...his beef was all about rosenpenis having his name in his mouth...it had nothing to do with lito and his contract beef
i guess one thread to talk about sheldon wasn't enough. lol @ yous guys for having the same exact conversation in 2 different threads. idiots.
Sheldon Brown is the new Jay Cutler
Quote from: Diomedes on April 22, 2009, 06:25:48 PM
I badly want another drink myself, but it's time for my community association meeting at the local elementary school. I'm bringing a flask to pull on while I'm in the bathroom having a smoke.
Damn right! Don't let the teacher fill you up with her rules even though everybody knows smoking ain't allowed in school
QuoteBrown's pal Lito Sheppard had similar hope last year after the Eagles signed Asante Samuel. He thought they would trade him. He thought wrong. He ended up rotting on the bench and wasn't even activated for the NFC Championship Game.
After the season Sheppard finally was traded to the New York Jets, where the two-time Pro Bowler is expected to be the team's nickel corner behind Darrelle Revis and second-year man Dwight Lowery. Still doesn't have a new contract.
From Domo's piece on acquiring Hobbs...
I know he signed a deal, but basically has to wait until after this upcoming season for it to take effect, right?
And is he really gonna be the nickel up there? So yeah, that worked out well for ya, didn't it Lito.
The Eagles were not lacking at the CB position last year. It never seemed like not playing Lito was a big issue. The problem is if you want to prove a team wrong, you have to make it impossible for them to replace you on the field, and Lito didn't step up and play well enough to avoid losing time to Joselio Hanson and Quintin Demps.
Did the Eagles have it out for him? Were they trying to make him irrelevant? Of course! He said he didn't want to be there, so you can only blame them for doing so if it hurt the team on the field.
Maybe it did in Arizona. Maybe it would have made no difference. But Sheldon is a few years older and doesn't have the talent Lito has, so he's basically asking for a couple of guys to "beat him out" in camp.
Again, the Eagles were apparently dicks to him. Banner wouldn't even meet with him. Not cool. But, at his age and looking at the Hobbs trade, the worst thing he could do now is to hold out of camp and let the Eagles phase him out. He should be out there showing that he's better than Ellis Hobbs and Joselio Hanson, because he is. If he's not out there, he should get ready for an early semi-retirement.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 27, 2009, 12:03:05 PM
And is he really gonna be the nickel up there?
Nah, he'll probably working in as the second CB, unitl he gets hurt. The funny bit is he's going to get shelled being across from Darelle Revis. Teams are going to test the shtein out of him. When you look at the WRs in the division and conference he's going to face, Lito is going to have it rough, and while I always liked him, he doesn't seem to have the mental toughness needed to recover after getting burned a few times.
Wes Welker and Lee Evans could be issues if he's not at the top of his game.
Although, Lito's always been pretty good against TO, so maybe they match up Revis on Evans for those two games.
QuoteJets won't exercise CB Sheppard's bonus
Posted by Evan Silva on December 6, 2009 10:54 AM ET
Scout.com's Adam Caplan reports that the Jets are not expected exercise cornerback Lito Sheppard's $10 million offseason roster bonus, which will come due on March 11th.
Sheppard was traded from the Eagles to the Jets last February in exchange for a 2009 fifth-round pick, and a conditional 2010 selection. The latter pick could escalate to as high as a second-rounder, pending Sheppard's playing time.
Sheppard had to play 85 percent of New York's defensive snaps this season for Philadelphia to get back a second-round pick. He's missed five full games and parts of several others due to injury.
Thus, Sheppard will likely head to unrestricted free agency in 2010. Caplan notes that the two-time Pro Bowler has "played better of late," but Sheppard's lengthy injury history will limit his market value. He also appeared to lose his starting job to Dwight Lowery, before Lowery was lost indefinitely with a high left ankle sprain in Week 11.
Get Lito.
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/20100124_Sheppard_a_happy_fit_with_Jets.html
QuoteI think the Philadelphians are a little spoiled, and I think that's why they give Donovan [McNabb] so much hell for what he does. They're just spoiled of getting to this point.
How's that new contract working out for you, jerkoff.
QuoteHe also had an idea for the Eagles - or perhaps their fans.
"I'd tell them to trade [McNabb]," Sheppard said. "I think he'll be happier, so then he won't have to be with that cloud over his head about what people feel about him. I mean, a player plays better when he feels appreciated. Until they appreciate him, they won't get what they want out of him.
"It's the expectations. It's either Super Bowl or nothing for them, and it automatically goes from the top to the bottom. . . . They just feel like he is the guy to get them over that hump, and he hasn't to this point. It's more frustration [from the fans] than can he get it done?
"I mean, hey, we'll take him."
Litoast came into the game today and promptly got toasted by Garcon (I think) on a bomb that play. I think Manning saw him come in and knew where he was going to throw it. On the upside however, he could probably come here and show Samuel how to tackle better.
the best and most saddest part of the lito era was the fact that after starting here for 4 years and making a bunch of pro bowls, andy and co. thought he would be okay with being the nickel and stepping aside for asante. like just accept his demotion because he "had a contract" and was lucky to be a part of the "gold standard."
why dont we talk about that more.
Quote from: KDS on January 25, 2010, 12:28:08 AM
the best and most saddest part of the lito era was the fact that after starting here for 4 years and making a bunch of pro bowls, andy and co. thought he would be okay with being the nickel and stepping aside for asante. like just accept his demotion because he "had a contract" and was lucky to be a part of the "gold standard."
why dont we talk about that more.
Not much more has to be said.
Quote from: KDS on January 25, 2010, 12:28:08 AM
the best and most saddest part of the lito era was the fact that after starting here for 4 years and making a bunch of pro bowls, andy and co. thought he would be okay with being the nickel and stepping aside for asante. like just accept his demotion because he "had a contract" and was lucky to be a part of the "gold standard."
why dont we talk about that more.
Well he's done squat since he's left besides get injured some more. Maybe he should have just accepted it.
Then again I guess he got what he really wanted anyway, which was a pay day.
Quote from: Munson on January 25, 2010, 12:51:58 AM
Quote from: KDS on January 25, 2010, 12:28:08 AM
the best and most saddest part of the lito era was the fact that after starting here for 4 years and making a bunch of pro bowls, andy and co. thought he would be okay with being the nickel and stepping aside for asante. like just accept his demotion because he "had a contract" and was lucky to be a part of the "gold standard."
why dont we talk about that more.
Well he's done squat since he's left besides get injured some more. Maybe he should have just accepted it.
Then again I guess he got what he really wanted anyway, which was a pay day.
Wrong. He never got that pay day.
Quote from: Munson on January 25, 2010, 12:51:58 AM
Quote from: KDS on January 25, 2010, 12:28:08 AM
the best and most saddest part of the lito era was the fact that after starting here for 4 years and making a bunch of pro bowls, andy and co. thought he would be okay with being the nickel and stepping aside for asante. like just accept his demotion because he "had a contract" and was lucky to be a part of the "gold standard."
why dont we talk about that more.
Well he's done squat since he's left besides get injured some more. Maybe he should have just accepted it.
Then again I guess he got what he really wanted anyway, which was a pay day.
lol
the heart of the problem for you idiot homers
Quote from: PhillyPhanInDC on January 25, 2010, 01:23:51 AM
Quote from: Munson on January 25, 2010, 12:51:58 AM
Quote from: KDS on January 25, 2010, 12:28:08 AM
the best and most saddest part of the lito era was the fact that after starting here for 4 years and making a bunch of pro bowls, andy and co. thought he would be okay with being the nickel and stepping aside for asante. like just accept his demotion because he "had a contract" and was lucky to be a part of the "gold standard."
why dont we talk about that more.
Well he's done squat since he's left besides get injured some more. Maybe he should have just accepted it.
Then again I guess he got what he really wanted anyway, which was a pay day.
Wrong. He never got that pay day.
Haha oh yeah....got a new deal and got paid exactly the same he was getting paid here.
Now he's probably gone from the Jets as there's no way they give him the 10 million option.
There's nothing I enjoy more than a little back and forth between MDS and Munson. Great way to get the week started.
What will the Eagles get for him? I just saw he is getting released.
I saw a 4th rd pick from the jets
I want the Eagles to re-sign him. Just because the Lido Shuffle they play at the Linc after he makes a pick is infectious.
Quote from: rjs246 on January 25, 2010, 08:45:39 AM
There's nothing I enjoy more than a little back and forth between MDS and Munson. Great way to get the week started.
It's the best and most saddest part