According to G.Cobb he'll be an Eagle as soon as free agency opens.
QuoteSource: Asante Is An Eagle
Written by Micah Warren
Friday, 29 February 2008
I spoke to a source close to the situation who told me that Asante Samuel is in. It's done. Per the source, the cornerback and the Eagles have worked out a deal. Samuel is definitely one of the big-time names in free agency this year, and the Eagles were obviously intent on signing him even though this constitutes tampering. That said, everyone in the NFL tampers. It's a fact. You see free agency start at 12:01 a.m. one day, and they have major deals done by 12:05 a.m. These things just don't happen that quickly.
If the Eagles do indeed land Samuel, you can start the clock ticking on Lito Sheppard's tenure as a Philadelphia Eagle. It's been reported that he isn't happy with his contract, and if he thinks he hates it now, wait until he sees what Mr. Samuel will make.
This could be the whole Bentley thing all over but I guess we'll see in a few hours.
my friends a limo driver and saw him at Gate C before he got here
interesting as well: look at the source...Mr Micah Warren...haha
Now if he can predict the Larry Fitz shtein I posted its on
sd...make this the aka free agency thread, i was just about to start it.
also....2 to 1 this never happens now
IF it happens, i'm going on the record as this:
if it's the only move they make, as in they don't trade either sheldon or lito = bad move
if they make this movie and piggy back it with with trading one of the incumbent DBs for a bigtime WR...bend me over and stick it in because i love Asante Samuel
Quote from: SunMo on February 28, 2008, 10:15:36 PM
sd...make this the aka free agency thread, i was just about to start it.
also....2 to 1 this never happens now
Done.
How does Mitch Warren (whoever the farg that is) say in the first paragraph it's a done deal then start the next paragraph stating 'if' he signs. I smell Bentley all over. By morning he'll be a Saint.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on February 28, 2008, 10:18:10 PM
By morning he'll be a Saint.
it's funny you say that because there is a guy on PhilaPhans that claims he knows that Samuel is going to the Saints, hahaha
GCobb gives the ok to print that shtein..its his website and he announced it
I gotta go with Cobby on this one and say its going down (I just knocked on wood)
GCobb.com, EMB and PFT are all crashing at the same time :-D
I am staying up later than I normally do to see what happens after midnight. I need a new hobby.
Also, because I'll stay up, the Eagles will do absolutely dick.
I forgot I want them to get Rock Cartwright. Andre Davis is gone, and Cartwright is solid to really good in the return game. Also a decent backup RB from what I remember.
Great news if true....
But I will not get excited like I did with Bentley...
Fitzgerald or some other top notch WR and I'll be happier than a pig in shtein
Sal pal on WIP
Eagles giving 5 yrs 55 million
Quote from: reese125 on February 28, 2008, 10:41:40 PM
Sal pal on WIP
Eagles giving 5 yrs 55 million
Any word on the signing bonus?
Pimp tight.
Now, for the love of GOD, get Vilma and a WR!!!!
Use Lito as trade bait for either....
i wonder how the b west situation pans out.
now just get a top flight (roy williams, fitz) wr and call it an off-season.
i'd hate to see the defense shut everyone down and we fly between the 20's and still can't punch it on. we need to put points on the board.
Quote from: reese125 on February 28, 2008, 10:45:09 PM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on February 28, 2008, 10:44:05 PM
Quote from: reese125 on February 28, 2008, 10:41:40 PM
Sal pal on WIP
Eagles giving 5 yrs 55 million
Any word on the signing bonus?
Nathanson
On second thought farg that, Bentley's numbers were being reported then the Eagles supposedly low balled him. I ain't believin shtein.
On the other hand;
Who else can't wait for the inevitable stories with quotes from Lito and/or Sheldon saying how this is disrespectful and blah blah blah?
I want playmakers.
GET A GODDAMN WR NOW!!
Quote from: SD_Eagle on February 28, 2008, 10:46:34 PM
Quote from: reese125 on February 28, 2008, 10:45:09 PM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on February 28, 2008, 10:44:05 PM
Quote from: reese125 on February 28, 2008, 10:41:40 PM
Sal pal on WIP
Eagles giving 5 yrs 55 million
Any word on the signing bonus?
Nathanson
On second thought farg that, Bentley's numbers were being reported then the Eagles supposedly low balled him. I ain't believin shtein.
Mark Eckel blew that shtein big time. If GCobb and Sal Pal both blow this, they will be homeless
Sal Pal is wrong about everything so he has no credibility. And GCobbs stuff is usually 50% reliable at best.
sal had the original TO stuff pretty good
He's still a douche
Quote from: pinoyboy2pt0 on February 28, 2008, 10:44:34 PM
i wonder how the b west situation pans out.
now just get a top flight (roy williams, fitz) wr and call it an off-season.
i'd hate to see the defense shut everyone down and we fly between the 20's and still can't punch it on. we need to put points on the board.
the defense is not all of a sudden gonna shut people down cause they got samuel...lito is as good as he is...they need some ends to make this signing work
i can't/won't disagree with that
QuoteI don't talk about reports or rumors. Things are going to move quickly with a player of that quality, so I'm sure we will know very early in the free agency period.
QuoteI find it amusing that the media have not learned any lessons. Isn't LeCharles Bentley's story enough for people to understand? Amazing. I am not sure I am going to make it to 12:01. That is the time when teams can start to contact agents. If the Eagles have anything planned, I am hopeful they will call me.
hmm
Eckel is on WIP. Doom.
yeah and they are talking about pizza--feel the excitement
"bad schex is still schex"
I'll check back in here when I wake up at 6am to see how things have progressed. I need the excitement alot more when get up than I do now when I'm getting ready to go to bed.
Eckels saying Gibril Wilson will sign with the Raiders at $6.5 million per year
Eckel's not sure if Samuel will sign with the Eagles or the Aints. ha.
told ya
If Gerbil goes to Raiders, they better swing a deal for Huff. Raiders are obviously retarded after the deal they gave Kelly. Rape them for a developing top 10 pick.
5 yrs 55? is that the same or more than what clements was paid?
i doubt samuels settles for less. if he was to settle he would settle with the pats no?
and if the eagles do end up acquiring him i really really hope lito is traded for something of value.
good call on huff if they get the gerbel...huff would be a much better get than samuel...i really hope they dont get samuel...
Quote from: SD_Eagle on February 28, 2008, 11:09:05 PM
Eckel's not sure if Samuel will sign with the Eagles or the Aints. ha.
Boy sounds just like Danny Bodaducci on the radio
I'm not saying w/asante we are uber bad asses. i kind of think of it as a healthy version of lito. our d played well (and zesty) at times, but when lito was out or we had will farging james in for him, we rotted. so if we had a "healthy" version of lito now in asante playing in those games were lito was out, we win a couple more games. not that he's so much better than lito, but he's better than hanson/james who took his place when he was hurt and we all noticed it.
try to follow that linear thinking.
i'd still rather...why just they don't farging draft a cb to be a 3rd, groom him then trade lito in a year? it's a deep draft in db too. it's the one farging draft position they can draft well at. and then use the loot to pay westbrook and throw some at our new stud WR to pry him away from lions/cards.
but yeah, we need a great de too...i'm not sure how much more they (odoms/smith) bring to the table then juqua. i don't know too much about him though, so voila.
MR -- those numbers are all fluff anyway but Clements was "$80M"
Supposedly Clayton is now reporting the 5/$55M too
QuotePOSTED 10:29 p.m. EST, February 28, 2008
ASANTE TO PHILLY?
Two years ago, there were reports that center LeCharles Bentley would sign with the Eagles on the first day of free agency.
He didn't.
The rumor was that Bentley had reneged on a verbal deal that had been brokered in advance of the start of free agency, and signed instead with the Browns.
This time around, there are Internet reports from the generally plugged-in gcobb.com that Pats cornerback Asante Samuel has a deal in place to sign with Philly.If true, Samuel can renege without consequence, just like Bentley did. And the Eagles would have no recourse, just as in the Bentley situation.
An unwritten player contract negotiated at a time when there should be negotiations at all is, obviously, not enforceable.
Other teams thought to be interested in Samuel are the Saints, Jets, and possible the Bucs. Samuel is believed to want a contract worth at least $10 million per year.
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 28, 2008, 11:13:42 PM
good call on huff if they get the gerbel...huff would be a much better get than samuel...i really hope they dont get samuel...
How bout if they ship Lito for Williams or Fitzgerald after?
I can see how this is going to play out. Samuel is the biggest name in this year's FA period (I still think Briggs is the best available player overall), and if the Eagles get him, the vast majority will hail it as a coup for the FO. The FO will look at it as a major overall improvement, and do miminal stuff between now and the draft. No significant upgrade at DE, no significant upgrade at WR. If they pimped Chris Cocong to be the second coming at strong-side, a position he never played prior to last year, selling Abiamiri as a guy that should "step-up" and be as good as Kearse in his prime shouldn't be a harder sell.
I don't want Samuel. They would need to be able to unload Lito to make it all work, and that is a big damn if.
Grab Odom, Cartwright, and then try to work a WR upgrade. Draft a DB/S, and maybe grab a second tier FA DB for nickel. That won't be as flashy, but it would sit fine with me.
Action News says they're definitely going after him. Gee thanks.
FWIW (not much , I know)...Ike Reese said today that they wouldn't go out and sign Samuel if they didn't already have a deal in "place" for Lito....and he mentioned both Roy Williams and Fitzgerald.
if signing samuel and trading lito gets us roy williams, then i'm cool with that.
Quote from: PPinDC on February 28, 2008, 11:27:10 PM
I can see how this is going to play out. Samuel is the biggest name in this year's FA period (I still think Briggs is the best available player overall), and if the Eagles get him, the vast majority will hail it as a coup for the FO. The FO will look at it as a major overall improvement, and do miminal stuff between now and the draft. No significant upgrade at DE, no significant upgrade at WR. If they pimped Chris Cocong to be the second coming at strong-side, a position he never played prior to last year, selling Abiamiri as a guy that should "step-up" and be as good as Kearse in his prime shouldn't be a harder sell.
I don't want Samuel. They would need to be able to unload Lito to make it all work, and that is a big damn if.
Grab Odom, Cartwright, and then try to work a WR upgrade. Draft a DB/S, and maybe grab a second tier FA DB for nickel. That won't be as flashy, but it would sit fine with me.
agreed.
as weird as it sounds i want the eagles to sign wilson or trade for huff more so than signing samuels.
signing wilson and huff would be cheaper and allow them to draft a CB maybe in the first or second who can double as a PR.
unless of course the magical far fetched plan is in play and will pan out : get samuels and trade lito for roy williams or fitz.
Huff or Samuel, either would be great.
Samuel will be a good signing; there is no negative in bringing him in.
Assuming they do.
GET Samuel, trade for Huff, Move Lito for Fitz...super boners....
But i expect we'll just end up with DJ Hackett
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on February 28, 2008, 11:34:01 PM
Huff or Samuel, either would be great.
Samuel will be a good signing; there is no negative in bringing him in.
Assuming they do.
well, he does eat babies
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on February 28, 2008, 11:34:01 PM
Huff or Samuel, either would be great.
Samuel will be a good signing; there is no negative in bringing him in.
Assuming they do.
no negative in bringing him in but the fear is that they would stop at this signing and call it a day. claim to have WON free agency and then continue to tell us the fans how amazing they the FO are throughout the off season.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on February 28, 2008, 11:34:01 PM
Huff or Samuel, either would be great.
Samuel will be a good signing; there is no negative in bringing him in.
Assuming they do.
I disagree. Say they bring in Samuel, and they can't unload Lito. Lito gets hot, and holds out, bitches and complains, and forces his way out of town, and the Birds get dick for him. That's pretty negative.
The pipedream of getting Samuel and trading Lito to improve something else is far-fetched, and depends on a lot of shtein outside the FO's control to happen.
The speculation they already have something in place with Lito is B.S. They've had plenty of time to work that out, and haven't. Why would they wait until after FA starts to get the trade done?
I meant a deal in place for Lito being TRADED. ::)
Quote from: Templeton Peck on February 28, 2008, 11:35:09 PM
GET Samuel, trade for Huff, Move Lito for Fitz...super boners....
But i expect we'll just end up with DJ Hackett
Yeah, Ive been thinking that for a while just because of the West Coast. Tampa supposedly has the biggest interest him
If they have to settle with Hackett because the other WR's are sealed up, Im completely fine with that.
I like him alot--nice red zone WR--which the Birds sorely lacked last season
Quote from: PhillyGirl on February 28, 2008, 11:39:19 PM
I meant a deal in place for Lito being TRADED. ::)
I understood that. If they had a deal in place FOR HIM TO BE TRADED, why wait to pull the trigger? To play coy?
::)
To make sure they get Samuel. :sly
Quote from: PPinDC on February 28, 2008, 11:43:34 PM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on February 28, 2008, 11:39:19 PM
I meant a deal in place for Lito being TRADED. ::)
I understood that. If they had a deal in place FOR HIM TO BE TRADED, why wait to pull the trigger? To play coy?
::)
why would you trade Lito before you know you had Samuel locked up?
Sun....I was starting to wonder if I was not thinking clearly. LOL
Quote from: PPinDC on February 28, 2008, 11:43:34 PM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on February 28, 2008, 11:39:19 PM
I meant a deal in place for Lito being TRADED. ::)
I understood that. If they had a deal in place FOR HIM TO BE TRADED, why wait to pull the trigger? To play coy?
::)
Because they have to wait until it is okay to make trades.
Signing Samuel benefits this defense. But like IGY said, they do need DE help too for this to work. Killa needs a LDE to help him out.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on February 28, 2008, 11:44:25 PM
To make sure they get Samuel. :sly
Quote from: SunMo on February 28, 2008, 11:45:09 PM
Quote from: PPinDC on February 28, 2008, 11:43:34 PM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on February 28, 2008, 11:39:19 PM
I meant a deal in place for Lito being TRADED. ::)
I am a giant douche.
::)
why would you trade Lito before you know you had Samuel locked up?
Obviously. I'll have another beer before bed.
My point is, dealing Lito isn't a guarantee by any stretch. CB is not only NOT a glaring need on the team, by possibly signing and paying one in FA to be the highest paid at the position can potentially fracture the locker room - if they can't work a deal with Lito in it.
Quote from: PPinDC on February 28, 2008, 11:27:10 PM
I can see how this is going to play out. Samuel is the biggest name in this year's FA period (I still think Briggs is the best available player overall), and if the Eagles get him, the vast majority will hail it as a coup for the FO. The FO will look at it as a major overall improvement, and do miminal stuff between now and the draft. No significant upgrade at DE, no significant upgrade at WR. If they pimped Chris Cocong to be the second coming at strong-side, a position he never played prior to last year, selling Abiamiri as a guy that should "step-up" and be as good as Kearse in his prime shouldn't be a harder sell.
I don't want Samuel. They would need to be able to unload Lito to make it all work, and that is a big damn if.
Grab Odom, Cartwright, and then try to work a WR upgrade. Draft a DB/S, and maybe grab a second tier FA DB for nickel. That won't be as flashy, but it would sit fine with me.
That is signing names just for the sake of signing names. Odom sucks.
Quote from: PPinDC on February 28, 2008, 11:53:10 PM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on February 28, 2008, 11:44:25 PM
To make sure they get Samuel. :sly
Quote from: SunMo on February 28, 2008, 11:45:09 PM
Quote from: PPinDC on February 28, 2008, 11:43:34 PM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on February 28, 2008, 11:39:19 PM
I meant a deal in place for Lito being TRADED. ::)
I understood that. If they had a deal in place FOR HIM TO BE TRADED, why wait to pull the trigger? To play coy?
::)
why would you trade Lito before you know you had Samuel locked up?
Obviously. I'll have another beer before bed.
My point is, dealing Lito isn't a guarantee by any stretch. CB is not only NOT a glaring need on the team, by possibly signing and paying one in FA to be the highest paid at the position can potentially fracture the locker room - if they can work a deal with Lito in it.
that's why i say i like this move with the caveat that it leads to them getting Fitz or Williams. if it doesn't i believe it's a waste of resources
Quote from: SunMo on February 28, 2008, 11:35:44 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on February 28, 2008, 11:34:01 PM
Huff or Samuel, either would be great.
Samuel will be a good signing; there is no negative in bringing him in.
Assuming they do.
well, he does eat babies
That's a negative? :paranoid
Quote from: SunMo on February 28, 2008, 11:54:20 PM
that's why i say i like this move with the caveat that it leads to them getting Fitz or Williams. if it doesn't i believe it's a waste of resources
yeah. that.
Quote from: King Cole on February 28, 2008, 11:54:17 PM
Odom sucks.
You really are farging stupid. Not only does Odom not suck, but he fills a giant need on the team.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on February 28, 2008, 11:55:26 PM
Quote from: SunMo on February 28, 2008, 11:54:20 PM
that's why i say i like this move with the caveat that it leads to them getting Fitz or Williams. if it doesn't i believe it's a waste of resources
yeah. that.
get a room
Quote from: SunMo on February 28, 2008, 11:54:20 PM
Quote from: PPinDC on February 28, 2008, 11:53:10 PM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on February 28, 2008, 11:44:25 PM
To make sure they get Samuel. :sly
Quote from: SunMo on February 28, 2008, 11:45:09 PM
Quote from: PPinDC on February 28, 2008, 11:43:34 PM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on February 28, 2008, 11:39:19 PM
I meant a deal in place for Lito being TRADED. ::)
I understood that. If they had a deal in place FOR HIM TO BE TRADED, why wait to pull the trigger? To play coy?
::)
why would you trade Lito before you know you had Samuel locked up?
Obviously. I'll have another beer before bed.
My point is, dealing Lito isn't a guarantee by any stretch. CB is not only NOT a glaring need on the team, by possibly signing and paying one in FA to be the highest paid at the position can potentially fracture the locker room - if they can work a deal with Lito in it.
that's why i say i like this move with the caveat that it leads to them getting Fitz or Williams. if it doesn't i believe it's a waste of resources
I agree with that too; but Samuel is a stud CB so getting him is good either way.
But flipping Tito into a WR is majorly important.
I just wish they could somehow land Huff or Vilma too.... :-\
Clayton is on, says Saints trying to get Shockey
Phreak....not happening.
If they swing the deal for Williams or Fitz for Lito.....this would be one hell of an offseason already.
Quote from: PPinDC on February 28, 2008, 11:56:25 PM
Quote from: King Cole on February 28, 2008, 11:54:17 PM
Odom sucks.
You really are farging stupid. Not only does Odom not suck, but he fills a giant need on the team.
Kearse fills a need too, but he is cooked. Odom is pretty mediocre. He is inconsistent, and most Titans fans don't even care if he leaves. He is not worth spending #1 defensive end money for.
What do you think he does well? He disappears for stretches and did nothing when Haynesworth got hurt.
O/U on how many SpyGate questions Samuel is asked when/if he signs here....
57
any signing i believe when it's on pe.com.
i still remember them staying trot to kc was imminent.
what did clayton just say about the Eagles?
He said expect them to be the first to contact Samuel
Quote from: pinoyboy2pt0 on February 28, 2008, 11:59:48 PM
any signing i believe when it's on pe.com.
i still remember them staying trot to kc was imminent.
Yeah, I recall that too.
I had to be talked down from a bridge.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on February 28, 2008, 11:57:11 PM
I agree with that too; but Samuel is a stud CB so getting him is good either way.
i don't know...do we know he's a stud?
how do we know he's better than Lito? he plays in a great system that makes Mike Vrabel and Teddy Brushci pro bowlers. i'm sure he's a real good corner, but is he head and shoulders better than Lito? not sure.
Quote from: King Cole on February 28, 2008, 11:59:02 PM
Quote from: PPinDC on February 28, 2008, 11:56:25 PM
Quote from: King Cole on February 28, 2008, 11:54:17 PM
Odom sucks.
You really are farging stupid. Not only does Odom not suck, but he fills a giant need on the team.
Kearse fills a need too, but he is cooked. Odom is pretty mediocre. He is inconsistent, and most Titans fans don't even care if he leaves. He is not worth spending #1 defensive end money for.
What do you think he does well? He disappears for stretches and did nothing when Haynesworth got hurt.
Can't believe I'm about to say this but I actually agree with you. Titans fans say he disappears far too often and could care less about retaining him.
Wow. Midnight, and NFLN just started playing the bullshtein America's Game with the farging 02 Bucs.
Healthy wise, he gets the edge, but Lito is damn good. LOL, the ESPN Sportsticker has a whole section dedicated to Clemens
nm
I think the big thing b/w Lito and Asante is Asante is healthy.
Quote from: SunMo on February 29, 2008, 12:01:36 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on February 28, 2008, 11:57:11 PM
I agree with that too; but Samuel is a stud CB so getting him is good either way.
i don't know...do we know he's a stud?
how do we know he's better than Lito? he plays in a great system that makes Mike Vrabel and Teddy Brushci pro bowlers. i'm sure he's a real good corner, but is he head and shoulders better than Lito? not sure.
Stop making good points and shtein.
I like Samuel, I have for awhile. I think he fits Johnson's scheme well.
But I do agree that this signing alone ala Big Mike McMahon in '05 as the only FA signed doesn't make the off-season a success.
A DE, a SS and a WR are a must.
If Tito is flipped into a stud WR and somehow they can snag a LDE...color me impressed.
So what will really happen is Samuel will go to NO, the WR signed will be some icehole and Considine is the SS.
ESPN has a previously taped NFL "Live" on. lol
Quote from: reese125 on February 29, 2008, 12:04:08 AM
Quote from: King Cole on February 28, 2008, 11:59:02 PM
Quote from: PPinDC on February 28, 2008, 11:56:25 PM
Quote from: King Cole on February 28, 2008, 11:54:17 PM
Odom sucks.
You really are farging stupid. Not only does Odom not suck, but he fills a giant need on the team.
Kearse fills a need too, but he is cooked. Odom is pretty mediocre. He is inconsistent, and most Titans fans don't even care if he leaves. He is not worth spending #1 defensive end money for.
What do you think he does well? He disappears for stretches and did nothing when Haynesworth got hurt.
Quote from: King Cole on February 28, 2008, 11:59:02 PM
Quote from: PPinDC on February 28, 2008, 11:56:25 PM
Quote from: King Cole on February 28, 2008, 11:54:17 PM
Odom sucks.
You really are farging stupid. Not only does Odom not suck, but he fills a giant need on the team.
Kearse fills a need too, but he is cooked. Odom is pretty mediocre. He is inconsistent, and most Titans fans don't even care if he leaves. He is not worth spending #1 defensive end money for.
What do you think he does well? He disappears for stretches and did nothing when Haynesworth got hurt.
Cmon Cole...and what happens when the interior defense improves this year--which they will-- and gets a push inside. Here comes a friggin 6-7 275 beast on one side and Cole on the other. Yeah, thats horrible
Who cares what his size is? He isn't that good. Production-wise, Odom would be more overpaid than Samuel here.
worst picture ever on PE.com right now.
That jersey that says"Free Agency" on the back is just awful.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on February 29, 2008, 12:04:32 AM
ESPN has a previously taped NFL "Live" on. lol
i know...from farging Disney no less. i stayed up to watch it, as i thought it would be some sort of live coverage deal. obviously i'm an idiot.
Quote from: SunMo on February 29, 2008, 12:06:09 AM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on February 29, 2008, 12:04:32 AM
ESPN has a previously taped NFL "Live" on. lol
i know...from farging Disney no less. i stayed up to watch it, as i thought it would be some sort of live coverage deal. obviously i'm an idiot.
same here... Looks liek this was a waste
ESPNEWS?
they did say they were going to talk about donovan mcnabb
Quote from: SunMo on February 29, 2008, 12:08:51 AM
they did say they were going to talk about donovan mcnabb
LOL...he talked. Like how long ago now?
Quote from: King Cole on February 29, 2008, 12:05:51 AM
Quote from: reese125 on February 29, 2008, 12:04:08 AM
Quote from: King Cole on February 28, 2008, 11:59:02 PM
Quote from: PPinDC on February 28, 2008, 11:56:25 PM
Quote from: King Cole on February 28, 2008, 11:54:17 PM
Odom sucks.
You really are farging stupid. Not only does Odom not suck, but he fills a giant need on the team.
Kearse fills a need too, but he is cooked. Odom is pretty mediocre. He is inconsistent, and most Titans fans don't even care if he leaves. He is not worth spending #1 defensive end money for.
What do you think he does well? He disappears for stretches and did nothing when Haynesworth got hurt.
Quote from: King Cole on February 28, 2008, 11:59:02 PM
Quote from: PPinDC on February 28, 2008, 11:56:25 PM
Quote from: King Cole on February 28, 2008, 11:54:17 PM
Odom sucks.
You really are farging stupid. Not only does Odom not suck, but he fills a giant need on the team.
Kearse fills a need too, but he is cooked. Odom is pretty mediocre. He is inconsistent, and most Titans fans don't even care if he leaves. He is not worth spending #1 defensive end money for.
What do you think he does well? He disappears for stretches and did nothing when Haynesworth got hurt.
Cmon Cole...and what happens when the interior defense improves this year--which they will-- and gets a push inside. Here comes a friggin 6-7 275 beast on one side and Cole on the other. Yeah, thats horrible
Who cares what his size is? He isn't that good. Production-wise, Odom would be more overpaid than Samuel here.
So the guy cant improve here with the Eagles? Let JJ have him and lets see what happens.
Sleep time.
GET FITZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ!
Would anything even be announced this late? Or should I say this early?
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 28, 2008, 12:26:36 PM
id eat joe banners ahole
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Ed...you're not allowed to post unless its an official update LOL
I saw you had posted and got all excited to read.
Buzzkill. :-D
I can't get in touch with my source.
He was the one who told me about Kearse first thing in the morning before that news broke in 2004.
I think the time to bitch about the Eagles not making enough offseason moves is when it's clear that they aren't going to make any more big moves. Even if the Eagles got Samuel that wouldn't necessarily prevent them from taking advantage of some other opportunities this offseason.
If the Eagles are getting Samuel, and that's it in terms of big changes, then we'll have plenty of months to bitch about it once it becomes obvious the team has not substantially improved. Seems way premature to bitch about that right after they get Samuel, or before things are even confirmed with Samuel like tonight. The Eagles offseason doesn't end a minute after Samuel signs. If it becomes clear that the Eagles think that one move is all they needed, I'll be the first one to pounce on them. Until then, I recommend chilling out a little bit.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on February 29, 2008, 12:10:22 AM
Ed...you're not allowed to post unless its an official update LOL
I saw you had posted and got all excited to read.
Buzzkill. :-D
Why aren't you in bed? :P
The St. Petersburg Times "has it on good authority" that free agent Asante Samuel will sign with the Eagles.
In the last hour, there were all kinds of unsubstantiated reports coming out of Philly that the sides have a deal in place. The Birds may wait a few more hours or (ugh) until tomorrow to announce the agreement formally.
rotoworld
http://blogs.tampabay.com/bucs/2008/02/kevin-carter-up.html
Quote from: PhillyGirl on February 29, 2008, 12:06:00 AM
worst picture ever on PE.com right now.
That jersey that says"Free Agency" on the back is just awful.
Yeah that's piss poor. Plus the picture is ambiguous as hell. I can't even tell if that's a black or white guy. Reminds me of my namesake's face (http://www.rotopro.com/images/qbprofiles.jpg) from Tecmo Super Bowl.
Quote from: King Cole on February 29, 2008, 12:13:53 AMThe Birds may wait a few more hours or (ugh) until tomorrow to announce the agreement formally.
You know how they like to put on that afternoon show at the NCC. It wouldn't shock me one bit if the Eagles had a deal in place at 12:02am, and say nothing officially until 2pm tomorrow when they trot out Samuel to hold up an Eagles jersey.
Uh oh.
Mark Eckel said someone in the know texted him and said it was a done deal too.
He said he himself doesn't know personally though. So maybe the Eckel jinx doesn't count here.
And I thought they would have Samuels signed by now....
ha ha.
Looks like Florio is going to be on WIP at 7:30 this morning
Is it just me Ed or are the boards completely locked up....
farg this. I'm going to sleep.
Quote from: Cthulhu on February 29, 2008, 12:38:15 AM
Is it just me Ed or are the boards completely locked up....
yeah, don't even try to go over there right now. Last I saw there were 1250 people online...
Quote from: BigEd76 on February 29, 2008, 12:40:08 AM
Quote from: Cthulhu on February 29, 2008, 12:38:15 AM
Is it just me Ed or are the boards completely locked up....
yeah, don't even try to go over there right now. Last I saw there were 1250 people online...
Jesus, what does everyone just flock to their computer the second clock strikes 12?
Other news:
Vilma a Saint
Berrian visiting Minnesota
Quote from: King Cole on February 29, 2008, 12:43:32 AM
Jesus, what does everyone just flock to their computer the second clock strikes 12?
I've been on since about six. you should have seen the build-up for it...
The thing I don't get is this. Whenever news breaks, the number of users browsing the forums immediately shoots from like 50 to 400. If these 350 other people are not already browsing the boards, then where do they get the news? Does someone call them? If someone calls them, then why the need to go see the news if you already know it?
Quote from: King Cole on February 29, 2008, 12:53:24 AMIf someone calls them, then why the need to go see the news if you already know it?
Uh, maybe to find out more details or to see how people are reacting?
SAMUEL VISITING EAGLES
Alex Marvez of FOXSports.com reports that free-agent cornerback Asante Samuel will visit the Eagles on Friday.
On Thursday night, it was reported that Samuel already has a deal in place with the Eagles.
Samuel is looking for at least $10 million per year.
So nothing of note yet huh? Awesome, I'm going to bed.
Quote from: TexasEagle on February 29, 2008, 01:05:51 AM
So nothing of note yet huh? Awesome, I'm going to bed.
Were you really expecting something???
McNabb's on Mike and Mike right now. Pretty generic stuff so far
The best we can hope for from McNabb is generic. The next option is that he whines about being an oppressed black man or being disrespected by Eagles management.
if you want to nitpick...he made a comment when they were talking about Andy and the kid situation. something to the extent of, "you and me, we probably would've handled it much differently, but he just did his job and kept going"
i'm paraphrasing
donovan thinks andy is a bad dad!
FF?? Nitpick?? Nooooooooo....
Quote from: EagleFeva on February 29, 2008, 08:42:57 AM
FF?? Nitpick?? Nooooooooo....
I prefer to call it
attention to detail. Thanks.
QuotePOSTED 9:00 a.m. EST, February 29, 2008
FITZGERALD TRADE UNLIKELY
As the growing PFT Planet chapter in Philly watches and waits for the Eagles to inject some new talent into the roster, one of the lingering fantasies is that the team will swing a trade for Cardinals receiver Larry Fitzgerald.
We don't see it happening, for two reasons.
First, Fitzgerald is due to earn total base salaries of $31 million over the next two seasons under the ridiculously stoopid contract that the Cardinals gave him as a rookie. Whoever trades for Fitzgerald has to assume that contract. And, surely, his new team would want to extend the deal.
But any new contract would have to have guaranteed money that matches the amounts he's due to earn over the next two years. And it would probably take a lot more than that to get Fitz to give up an essentially "guaranteed" $31 million over the next two seasons and a shot at unrestricted free agency in what very well could be an uncapped year.
Second, the Cardinals have to want to trade him. Though it might be in their best interests to do so, it wasn't in their best interests to give him that contract in the first place. So don't count on this franchise doing anything that reasonable people would regard as smart.
Our guess is that Fitzgerald will spend the next two seasons with the Cardinals, pocket his $31 million, and go elsewhere in March 2010 -- especially since the franchise tender for Fitzgerald in 2010 would exceed $20 million.
Meanwhile, the Cardinals now claim that their ability to sign new free agents and keep their own free agents is hampered by the Fitzgerald situation.
Hey, guys -- you only have yourselves to blame. And if you don't want to pay Fitzgerald what you previously agreed to pay him, you have an option.
You can cut him.
just so you know...one of my kids is catching a beating because you posted that
Here's a reason to beat the other one...
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PFT sucks. I'm waiting for a link but someone on the other board said Fitz would cost Lito plus the Eagles 1st.
Quote from: SunMo on February 29, 2008, 09:19:59 AM
just so you know...one of my kids is catching a beating because you posted that
Don't do it. He paid the Cutters for protection.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on February 29, 2008, 09:22:01 AM
PFT sucks. I'm waiting for a link but someone on the other board said Fitz would cost Lito plus the Eagles 1st.
That'd be a no-brainer IF they got Samuel.
It would be a no-brainer period. Fitzgerald is that good.
Quote from: Rome on February 29, 2008, 09:36:35 AM
It would be a no-brainer period. Fitzgerald is that good.
They'd have to score a lot if they had Brown and Hanson starting at corner. Who would the nickel back be? A random rookie? Dustin Fox?
They could get a starter in the draft or in free agency. A good cornerback is easy to get. A franchise wide receiver is not. Obviously.
If they don't do that....they're as dumb as I know they are.
A first round pick will not come in and help McNabb get back to his former self and immediately make the Eagles contenders again.
Fitzgerald and Samuel = Eagles contenders in 2008 (yes, I know there are other things to address, but those things can be fixed with smaller name players).
I still think the chances of the Eagles obtaining the services of ANY elite WR (i.e. Fitzgerald, Williams, Johnson, or Moss) are very small. If the Eagles could swing any of them it would be a huge coup. That's true even if they don't blow a lot of money on Samuel.
Quote from: Rome on February 29, 2008, 09:43:10 AM
They could get a starter in the draft or in free agency. A good cornerback is easy to get. A franchise wide receiver is not. Obviously.
I think you're thinking that just because the Eagles have not had problems getting them, except for the William James Peterson experiment.
A stud WR is much harder to find than a solid CB, but a difference-maker at the CB position is equally hard to find... you know, a guy that intercepts passes and such?
Lito is one of those guys when healthy. But he's not healthy enough to rely on.
That said, if they trade Lito and sign Samuel, who wants to bet Lito stays healthy for his new team all season, but Samuel goes on IR for the Eagles?
They're getting both Sammy & Fitzy so it's moot.
It would be sweet if they also drafted DeSeanny.
Banny?
New on the PE.com homepage:
QuoteFree agent cornerback Asante Samuel is visiting the Eagles today. He will be available to the media at the NovaCare Complex at 4:30 p.m. Samuel has spent the last five seasons with the Patriots, recording 22 interceptions in 75 career regular season games, and five more interceptions in 14 career postseason games.
4:30pm? Plenty of time to get the deal signed.
gcobb live (http://www.ustream.tv/channel/gcobb-live)
says birds are only team samuel has avisit with today
No wonder the EMB just melted down.
Jesus... :sly
I would assume he'd schedule his next visit this afternoon when the contract talks hit a snag.
Quote from: FastFreddie on February 29, 2008, 09:46:00 AM
That said, if they trade Lito and sign Samuel, who wants to bet Lito stays healthy for his new team all season, but Samuel goes on IR for the Eagles?
it wouldn't surprise me if ends up like the burgess situation. lito will have a bangin 1st year with someone else, decent 2nd year, then slowly trail off to where he's at now.
G has it going on....that's actually a pretty cool setup
Rhea Hughes reporting the Eagles are interested in Raiders DE Chris Clemons
apparently, Howard was on the midday show saying it will be Clemons and Samuel and Lito is gone...this is per PhilaPhans
Quote from: SD_Eagle on February 29, 2008, 10:13:22 AM
Rhea Hughes reporting the Eagles are interested in Raiders DE Chris Clemons
Sounds like a guy who can get right in the mix there and compete.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on February 29, 2008, 10:13:22 AM
Rhea Hughes reporting the Eagles are interested in Raiders DE Chris Clemons
Clemons wouldn't be a bad pickup, especially if the other positions of need are adequately addressed. Dude had eight sacks last year, but he's the kind of guy who could either have ten or zero next year.
Clemons: 26 years old, 6'-3, 240lbs, 8 sacks last year
Quote from: SunMo on February 29, 2008, 10:21:48 AM
Clemons: 26 years old, 6'-3, 240lbs, 8 sacks last year
White or Black? Thats how i make my decisions if he's good
Here's Cobb's take...
QuoteSamuel Signing Could Be Prelude
Written by Garry Cobb
Friday, 29 February 2008
The signing of Asante Samuel will likely be followed up with another move or two by the Birds. GCobb.com's Micah Warren, who broke the Samuel signing, also reported nearly two weeks ago that the Birds were looking into acquiring Arizona's Larry Fitzgerald..
Warren reported that the Birds front office was looking over Fitzgerald's contract and talking to the Cardinals about what it would take to get a deal done. I'm sure the Eagles would work out the restructuring of Fitzgerald's deal pror to agreeing to the trade.
The star wide receiver reached escalators in his contract that call for him to make $14 million dollars salary in the upcoming season. That salary is over the line for any NFL team, but it's not so bad if the money put in the form of a signing bonus. I'm sure Fitzgeral would have no problem with it because he would get the money even sooner.
I'm sure the signing of Asante Samuel and the prospects of bringing in the highly paid Fitzgerald will creat major tension in the Eagles lockeroom.
Here you have a new player, who is making more money than any other player on the football team and that includes stars Donovan McNabb and Brian Westbrook. I don't think McNabb will have a problem with it, but the Eagles All-Pro running back, can't be sleeping well with the fact that this guy will be making twice what he's making.
You know Lito Sheppard has to be beside himself. He's a two-time All-Pro who is making about a tenth in per year salary of what Samuel will be bringing in. I can't see Sheppard being willing to stay here and play next to Samuel while knowing he's not in his ballpark financially. Lito had been making noise at the end of the season a year ago about his unhappiness with his contract.
I could see the Birds making another seismic move by dealing Lito to Arizona with the 19th pick in the draft for the Cardinals state of the art wide receiver Fitzgerald. I'd love to see that move because the Birds would be acquiring a proven commodity rather chancing millions of dollars on a rookie, who they're not sure can play.
Again this fits the moves the Birds made in 2004. Fitzgerald has already racked up two seasons of 100 plus catches despite being only 24 years of age. He is a flat out stud who fits in with this offense. Larry has good speed, runs great routes and catches any and everything thrown in his vicinity.
The Birds have to also like the fact that Fitzgerald doesn't have to see a psychologist every week. He's one of the more stable star wide receivers in the league. Unlike many of his counterparts around the NFL, he's not a diva and wouldn't be prone to creating problems amongst the football team.
I chuckled at the last bit.
Quote from: FastFreddie on February 29, 2008, 10:19:39 AM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on February 29, 2008, 10:13:22 AM
Rhea Hughes reporting the Eagles are interested in Raiders DE Chris Clemons
Sounds like a guy who can get right in the mix there and compete.
But will he work hard out there??
Quote from: Templeton Peck on February 29, 2008, 10:23:08 AM
Quote from: SunMo on February 29, 2008, 10:21:48 AM
Clemons: 26 years old, 6'-3, 240lbs, 8 sacks last year
White or Black? Thats how i make my decisions if he's good
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Quote from: SunMo on February 29, 2008, 10:30:30 AM
Quote from: Templeton Peck on February 29, 2008, 10:23:08 AM
Quote from: SunMo on February 29, 2008, 10:21:48 AM
Clemons: 26 years old, 6'-3, 240lbs, 8 sacks last year
White or Black? Thats how i make my decisions if he's good
(http://assets.espn.go.com/i/nfl/profiles/players/mugs/65x90/4864.jpg)
GET CLEMONS!
Clemons would be more of the joker type in the Eagles defense. I can't see them getting just him and calling it a day.
Quote from: FastFreddie on February 29, 2008, 10:31:37 AM
Quote from: SunMo on February 29, 2008, 10:30:30 AM
Quote from: Templeton Peck on February 29, 2008, 10:23:08 AM
Quote from: SunMo on February 29, 2008, 10:21:48 AM
Clemons: 26 years old, 6'-3, 240lbs, 8 sacks last year
White or Black? Thats how i make my decisions if he's good
(http://assets.espn.go.com/i/nfl/profiles/players/mugs/65x90/4864.jpg)
GET CLEMONS!
SOLD
I thought buying & selling black people was frowned upon here?
Eskin's reporting Clemons will be signed by the Eagles within the next 24 hours
Samuel signed!
Quote from: Rome on February 29, 2008, 10:45:53 AM
I thought buying & selling black people was frowned upon here?
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Quote from: Sgt PSN on February 29, 2008, 10:51:32 AM
Samuel signed!
Link?
Quote from: SD_Eagle on February 29, 2008, 10:50:27 AM
Eskin's reporting Clemons will be signed by the Eagles within the next 24 hours
Why hadn't we heard about this guy? People were talking about Travis LaBoy and Antwan Odom. Is Clemons a RFA? What's the deal?
Just seems weird that he's been under the radar if he had 8 sacks last year.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on February 29, 2008, 10:51:32 AM
Samuel signed!
?...?......?......?......?.....?......?
I have that pic saved on my computer sb hahaha
QuoteEAGLES CHASING CLEMONS
A tipster advised us earlier today that the Eagles are chasing Raiders free-agent defensive end/linebacker Chris Clemons.
Several readers tell us that WIP's "Mini-Reid" is now reporting that Clemons will sign with the Eagles within the next 24 hours.
Since our tipster has proven himself, we'll also disclose that the tipster says cornerback Asante Samuel will be signed today and that the Eagles made a run at receiver Larry Fitzgerald but the Cardinals wanted too much, and that cornerback Sheldon Brown likely will be moved to safety.
Quote from: Rome on February 29, 2008, 10:45:53 AM
I thought buying & selling black people was frowned upon here?
Not as long as it's within 10% high or low of their blue book value.
Not to beat a dead horse, but they had better be dealing Lito for a stud WR if (when) they sign Samuel. I am not a big Samuel fan at all.
there is also the thought they could package the #19 and lito to the pats or someone else for a top 10 pick...i think i would like that
Quote from: Butchers Bill on February 29, 2008, 10:56:33 AM
Not to beat a dead horse, but they had better be dealing Lito for a stud WR if (when) they sign Samuel. I am not a big Samuel fan at all.
It's not that I don't like Samuel. I just don't think the Eagles get any better just by signing him.
Now if they've got another deal worked out that sends Lito packing for Fitz or Williams, fine. It's the only way this deal makes sense because it's not an upgrade over Sheppard.
Quote from: Butchers Bill on February 29, 2008, 10:56:33 AM
Not to beat a dead horse, but they had better be dealing Lito for a stud WR if (when) they sign Samuel. I am not a big Samuel fan at all.
co-sizzle....lito is as good or better than samuel...fair point to say that lito gets hurt to much but is 25-30 mil sb worth paying a guy because your current all pro caliber guy
might get hurt
you pay major bucks to upgrade from kevin curtis to roy williams or fitzy...not lito sheppherd to samuel
Moving Brown to safety would be a zesty move.
My Samuel prediction: He gets here and Banner tries to jew him down. He splits and signs with the Aints.
Can't say that I love the move.
Quote from: FastFreddie on February 29, 2008, 11:02:39 AM
Moving Brown to safety would be a zesty move.
agreed. It would be different if had lined up at safety at any point in the last 5 years....
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 29, 2008, 11:02:31 AM
Quote from: Butchers Bill on February 29, 2008, 10:56:33 AM
Not to beat a dead horse, but they had better be dealing Lito for a stud WR if (when) they sign Samuel. I am not a big Samuel fan at all.
co-sizzle....lito is as good or better than samuel...fair point to say that lito gets hurt to much but is 25-30 mil sb worth paying a guy because your current all pro caliber guy might get hurt
you pay major bucks to upgrade from kevin curtis to roy williams or fitzy...not lito sheppherd to samuel
I don't know what co-sizzle means but I agree with the rest of your post %100.
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on February 29, 2008, 11:04:44 AM
I don't know what co-sizzle means
its black white guy talk for co-sign which is cool internet talk for agree with
Deal in place:
http://philadelphia.comcastsportsnet.com/view_content_0p.asp?ID=62946 (http://philadelphia.comcastsportsnet.com/view_content_0p.asp?ID=62946)
One person dictated the interest in Samuel...Plaxico Burress.
Neither one of Brown or Sheppard can cover Burress, and you have to face him (at least) twice a year.
It should be noted that Samuel was in on multiple plays in the Super Bowl that would have sealed victory for the Patriots. So, he'll fit in perfectly with the Eagles!
an injured burress ate up samuel in the game at ny this year and its not like samuel has size to match up with him
i had no idea the birds released freak until just now. he'll be in the pro bowl next year.
Quote from: phattymatty on February 29, 2008, 11:22:12 AM
i had no idea the birds released freak until just now. he'll be in the pro bowl next year.
as a mascot, or providing color commentary?
Color commentary?
I don't like this move at all... Why pay so much for something you don't really need...
im on the side of most people re: this move but does anyone else find it hysterical that the eagles could sign the number one free agent player on the market and the fanbase is upset
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 29, 2008, 11:35:11 AM
im on the side of most people re: this move but does anyone else find it hysterical that the eagles could sign the number one free agent player on the market and the fanbase is upset
It's because CB isn't the #1 need of the team. We can only hope/assume that the Eagles have had talks with either the Lions or Cardinals about trading Lito and draft picks for one of their recievers and that an outline for a deal is already in place.
Hopefully he plays better in JJs system but he has a tendancy to get burned on big plays and he's going to make a lot of money and take up cap space.
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 29, 2008, 11:35:11 AM
im on the side of most people re: this move but does anyone else find it hysterical that the eagles could sign the number one free agent player on the market and the fanbase is upset
FA is not like it used to be when studs like Reggie White, Keith Jackson, and Keith Byars would be on the move. :'(
I find it sad and more than a little embarrassing.
i'll never be upset at adding talent...i just want it to lead to adding even more talent at more lacking positions
Yeah it's great to add talent but don't go out and get the best FA on the market for the sake of getting the best FA on the market...
Quote from: Sgt PSN on February 29, 2008, 11:36:47 AM
It's because CB isn't the #1 need of the team.
oooooooooooh......now it all makes sense
Quote from: SunMo on February 29, 2008, 11:39:35 AM
i'll never be upset at adding talent...i just want it to lead to adding even more talent at more lacking positions
That's a given.
your ugly aids face is a given
sorry
Apologies are for stylishly-dressed young men.
LOLLERFITZY
it's funny that everyone assumes there's some kind of complicated plan that the FO has in mind involving lito and some stud WR. i think it's more likely, given the FO's history, that there is no plan. they jumped at the chance to get a good player and that's it. i'm not getting my hopes up and certainly will not be mad if we keep an all-pro CB like lito.
Quote from: phattymatty on February 29, 2008, 11:47:58 AM
it's funny that everyone assumes there's some kind of complicated plan that the FO has in mind involving lito and some stud WR. i think it's more likely, given the FO's history, that there is no plan. they jumped at the chance to get a good player and that's it. i'm not getting my hopes up and certainly will not be mad if we keep an all-pro CB like lito.
I was just thinking the same thing. Having the deepest corner situation in the league is not a bad thing. They'd still have $23 million to play with assuming Samuel signs.
no chance lito isnt gone if they sign samuel....and if he isnt this is a huge blunder on the front offices part
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 29, 2008, 11:58:02 AM
no chance lito isnt gone if they sign samuel....and if he isnt this is a huge blunder on the front offices part
this...EXACTLY.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on February 29, 2008, 12:10:19 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 29, 2008, 11:58:02 AM
no chance lito isnt gone if they sign samuel....and if he isnt this is a huge blunder on the front offices part
this...EXACTLY.
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Maybe its because I'm slow, but I don't get it.
just giving you a thumbs up
im probably being my usual cynical self...but i feel like if samuel was on any other team but new england the eagles interest would be minimal...banner and lurie worship the patriots and i think they believe if hes on new england he must be trhe best corner ever
ehhhh their first choice was a corner on the Seahawks who was franchised wasn't it?
Besides there's no presidence for it. Where are all the ex New England players on the roster?
Samuel was the 2007 NFL First Team All-Pro Cornerback.
We should definitely be pissed off about the Eagles getting him. No, really.
Quote from: Phanatic on February 29, 2008, 12:20:28 PM
Besides there's no presidence for it.
Dead Presidence?
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 29, 2008, 12:15:26 PM
banner and lurie worship the patriots and i think they believe if hes on new england he must be trhe best corner ever
Ridiculous and cynical conjecture
Quote from: Rome on February 29, 2008, 10:45:53 AM
I thought buying & selling black people was frowned upon here?
As a Black man I would just like to say
HA!
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QuoteEagles | Samuel expected to sign soon
Fri, 29 Feb 2008 09:19:56 -0800
Updating a previous report, John Clayton, of ESPN.com, reports the Philadelphia Eagles are expected to sign unrestricted free-agent CB Asante Samuel (Patriots) soon. The deal is expected to be more than five years and $47.2 million.
That figure seems way low unless 2/3's of it is guaranteed money.
Maybe all of it's guaranteed.
That sort of guaranteed contract would definitely be president setting.
i can't stand samuel because he's a cocky dikbag...but i like the deal.
lito must have really demanded a trade...maybe he'll be traded to the pats.
The "tip" of Sheldon Brown being moved to safety is bullshtein, just an FYI. My "source" told me this just now.
And as he said everyone already knows, the Samuel deal has been done for a while....just the physical remains.
QuoteSorry for the delay. We had to set up Eagles Live! and make sure we have no technical difficulties and of course that is never possible. It's pretty fun and pretty frantic here. Saw Samuel. He was in the cafeteria and now he's having lunch. I wish I could report what he eats -- other than opposing quarterback's passes -- but I can't. I am not that much of a nerd.
From Dave's blog:
QuoteSorry for the delay. We had to set up Eagles Live! and make sure we have no technical difficulties and of course that is never possible. It's pretty fun and pretty frantic here. Saw Samuel. He was in the cafeteria and now he's having lunch. I wish I could report what he eats -- other than opposing quarterback's passes -- but I can't. I am not that much of a nerd.
Everybody in the media says this is a done deal. I've interviewed Adam Caplan, Tony Pauline and Vic Carucci today and all agree that adding Samuels would be huuuuggge for this team.
"He instantly makes this a much better defense," said Carucci, from NFL.com. "I used to think he was a product of that system, but no more. He has great instincts, plays the ball well ... outstanding player. One of the best ball hawks in the league."
Looking for Andy Reid. Looking for Joe Banner. What else is up here?
Death.
Dave makes me want to shoot someone. Him, preferrably, but someone nonetheless.
I literally laughed out loud at the last sentence.
The week of Super Bowl XXXIX, Dave was enough of a nerd to upload 20 minutes of footage of him detailing all the breakfast foods at the Eagles cafeteria. Therefore I think he IS enough of a nerd to tell us what Samuel ate.
I <3 Dave
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 29, 2008, 11:58:02 AM
no chance lito isnt gone if they sign samuel....and if he isnt this is a huge blunder on the front offices part
Having 3 probowl caliber players would indeed suck.
I don't know what Samuel eats either, but I do know what Spadaro would like to eat: Samuel's chocolate starfish.
FWIW My uncle just called me and said Mike Tirico said it was official on his radio show. Again FWIW.
Quote from: Rome on February 29, 2008, 12:49:52 PM
QuoteSorry for the delay. We had to set up Eagles Live! and make sure we have no technical difficulties and of course that is never possible. It's pretty fun and pretty frantic here. Saw Samuel. He was in the cafeteria and now he's having lunch. I wish I could report what he eats -- other than opposing quarterback's passes -- but I can't. I am not that much of a nerd.
That sounds like a Reskin fan...
Quote1:10 p.m.
Is everyone fixated on wide receiver here? Fans love, love, love talking about wide receiver. I want you to take it slowly, OK? The Eagles have the premier unrestricted free agent on the market here today. That is a great start to free agency.
The rest of it will take care of itself. The Eagles know what they need, gang. They'll get to it. Promise. Remember, it's an aggressive approach in the months to come. The Eagles still have draft picks and room under the cap and they have moves to make.
So enjoy the day. The Eagles are the players of players in the NFL today. It's a very good thing
shut the farg up Spadaro.
Quote from: NGM on February 29, 2008, 01:17:29 PM
FWIW My uncle just called me and said Mike Tirico said it was official on his radio show. Again FWIW.
lies
I haven't really been reading everyone's bullshtein...but is this a good move overall?
I thought we had a bigger need than CB.
They traded Lito & Sheldon for T.O. this morning, Chuggie.
Jesus - try and keep up.
john clayton has just reported on espn news. deal is worth just under 10 mill.
total?
Quote from: Rome on February 29, 2008, 01:42:37 PM
They traded Lito & Sheldon for T.O. this morning, Chuggie.
Jesus - try and keep up.
Look, I've been trying to go to the gym and the gun range lately and I've been traveling to New York and Philly this past week, can you blame me? Have a little compassion.
Compassion?
HHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!
Are there actually people that are pissed off by the move? I know I am not pissed, it just doesn't really excite me that much. Then again not much does at this point. I haven't had a drink in 4 months.
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on February 29, 2008, 01:57:04 PM
Are there actually people that are pissed off by the move? I know I am not pissed, it just doesn't really excite me that much. Then again not much does at this point. I haven't had a drink in 4 months.
:-D
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on February 29, 2008, 01:57:04 PM
Are there actually people that are pissed off by the move? I know I am not pissed, it just doesn't really excite me that much. Then again not much does at this point. I haven't had a drink in 4 months.
No. Exactly. And sorry to hear that.
QuoteSAMUEL SET TO JOIN THE FLOCK
Various media reports, collected and referenced by our good friends at SportingNews.com, indicate that cornerback Asante Samuel will indeed sign a contract with the Eagles on Friday.
It's reportedly a five-year, $47.2 million deal. To the casual fan, that's short of the $10 million per year average from the eight-year, $80 million deal signed last year by Nate Clements of the 49ers. As everyone in PFT Planet knows, the Clements deal is actually seven years and $64 million, making it worth a hair over $9 million per year.
Samuel's deal carries an average of nearly $9.5 million. They could have added a phony final year that would have pushed the average to $10 million per year or more, and we respect both sides for doing what looks to be a "real" deal.
Also, there's a certain irony regarding the five-year duration of the contract. Typically, the Eagles like to lock players up for looooong periods of time. As it now stands, Samuel's deal will expire before the contracts signed by some of the young players who cashed in early.
If it is indeed a 5 year $47.2 million deal then thats a pretty good deal considering the deal Clements got last offseason. Still no report on his guaranteed money.
from my post above:
Quote
It's reportedly a five-year, $47.2 million deal. To the casual fan, that's short of the $10 million per year average from the eight-year, $80 million deal signed last year by Nate Clements of the 49ers. As everyone in PFT Planet knows, the Clements deal is actually seven years and $64 million, making it worth a hair over $9 million per year.
Quote from: hbionic on February 29, 2008, 02:00:39 PM
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on February 29, 2008, 01:57:04 PM
Are there actually people that are pissed off by the move? I know I am not pissed, it just doesn't really excite me that much. Then again not much does at this point. I haven't had a drink in 4 months.
:-D
I am punching you in the face right now, you just don't know it.
Samuel > Nate Clements
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on February 29, 2008, 02:08:58 PM
Quote from: hbionic on February 29, 2008, 02:00:39 PM
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on February 29, 2008, 01:57:04 PM
Are there actually people that are pissed off by the move? I know I am not pissed, it just doesn't really excite me that much. Then again not much does at this point. I haven't had a drink in 4 months.
:-D
I am punching you in the face right now, you just don't know it.
http://www.fatal-combat.com/index.php
Sign up and get paid to put Chuggie in the hospital.
I may do that when i get internet in my room.
Then use this link instead.
http://Fatal-Combat.com/register.php?REF=263
nah that one doesn't work:
this one is golden
http://Fatal-Combat.com/register.php?REF=365
so is this a done deal??
Samuel.....Clemons.....Samuel Clemens....Mark Twain....hmmm
Quote from: BigEd76 on February 29, 2008, 02:26:42 PM
Samuel.....Clemons.....Samuel Clemens....Mark Twain....hmmm
That's the worst thing that's ever been posted here. When you hopefully kill yourself, your soul will wait for Rome's so you can banter about in double-talk and puns for eternity.
shteinface.
Shut the huck up, Ed.
Haha! You too, FF.
and punt
Fitzgerald had a chat today and among other things said the following:
QuoteLarry Fitzgerald: (1:19 PM ET ) I think we're getting real close. The Cardinals is where I want to be. I hear they want to keep me. Like I said earlier, I love Arizona, I like my coaching staff. I think we'll be successful for years to come and I want to be a part of that.
Quote from: SunMo on February 29, 2008, 02:59:49 PM
Fitzgerald had a chat today and among other things said the following:
QuoteLarry Fitzgerald: (1:19 PM ET ) I think we're getting real close. The Cardinals is where I want to be. I hear they want to keep me. Like I said earlier, I love Arizona, I like my coaching staff. I think we'll be successful for years to come and I want to be a part of that.
Maybe they plan to make Samuels a WR?
Quote from: FastFreddie on February 29, 2008, 02:29:07 PM
Quote from: BigEd76 on February 29, 2008, 02:26:42 PM
Samuel.....Clemons.....Samuel Clemens....Mark Twain....hmmm
That's the worst thing that's ever been posted here. When you hopefully kill yourself, your soul will wait for Rome's so you can banter about in double-talk and puns for eternity.
shteinface.
What makes it even worse is that it's stolen from the EMB.
I'm not too excited about this move. If they were somehow able to keep Lito, I would appreciate it more. If they can get a good pick or WR for Lito, I would like it better.
I see it this way:
Spending too much money at a position is better than spending too little. Samuel is one of the best free agents. The other needs (WR and DE) don't have anyone worth the money Samuel would get. Someone like Clemons might be the best option at DE at a good price. All pro = don't complain.
The move would be even better if Lito is traded for either a very high pick or part of a package for a Roy Williams or Larry Fitz....
Nuh uh.
thanks for the completely original and inspiring thought
Quote from: SunMo on February 29, 2008, 03:41:51 PM
thanks for the completely original and inspiring thought
lollerskatz
Quote from: Munson on February 29, 2008, 03:37:30 PM
The move would be even better if Lito is traded for either a very high pick or part of a package for a Roy Williams or Larry Fitz....
You don't say? Tell me about that! What have you heard?
Hey! I thought we agreed. It's lollerFITZ, not lollerskatz now.
I was just pointing out the obvious for my boy Dillen, who didn't seem to see it that way.
Not your boy. Saw it that way. Just don't think it's likely they trade Lito.
I"m sorry, my girl Dillen, who said she saw it this way. Or that way.
Zing!
Calm down.
press conference upped to 4:15pm
Official announcement of Samuel signing?
Quote from: Munson on February 29, 2008, 04:12:38 PM
Official announcement of Samuel signing?
Ya think? What gave it away?
nothing gets past you
why am i still looking at stupid Jay Wright?
That's why I was asking. CSN hasn't swtiched over to any press conference.
call up Brian Roberts and ask him
I'm not going to rub one out until its official. So, at the moment, I'm at attention.
Donovan was just on ESPN. He farging hates the Samuel move. HATES IT.
Mcnabb was just on NFL Live from Disneyworld.
what did he say?
He loves it!
bastich!
He was being mopey and obviously a bitch.
Is the deal done yet?
well if you're asking we're all farging in trouble
CBS news just announced it as official. SAid he was taking his physical about 20 minutes ago, and as soon as he passes its a done deal.
Edit: Then again, isn't that about the same point the Eagles got to with Bentley before his escape to Cleveland?
I'm going to throw up in a second.
Bad tuna for lunch.
Oh, no... it wasn't the tuna, it was the illiterate morons who call in to Eagles Live.
Whew.
Quote from: Rome on February 29, 2008, 04:30:32 PM
I'm going to throw up in a second.
Bad tuna for lunch.
(http://elpasotimes.typepad.com/thatwilldo/files/010207_bill_parcells.jpg)
roooooob
http://blogs.phillyburbs.com/blog.php/?p=23363&cat=187
QuoteAsante Samuel Is an Eagle
Asante SamuelIt's all over but the physical. Prized free agent cornerback Asante Samuel is a Philadelphia Eagle.
Samuel, who had 16 interceptions the last two years with the Patriots and owns the NFL career playoff record with three INT returns for touchdowns, arrived in Philadelphia this morning and signed his contract this afternoon.
What does this mean for disgruntled, injury-plagued cornerback Lito Sheppard? Will the Eagles try to ship him? What does this mean for Sheldon Brown? Will he move to safety? These are questions for later. Right now, what's important is that the Eagles targeted the No. 1 free agent available this offseason and landed him just 14 1/2 hours after the free agency signing period began.
The Eagles ranked last in the NFL last year with just 11 interceptions, and they were the only NFL team without a defensive touchdown.
The five-year deal is worth about $10 million per year, making Samuel the second-highest-paid cornerback in NFL history behind Nate Clements, whose eight-year deal with the 49ers is worth $10.99 million per year (although he'll never see the $26.25 million written in for 2013 and 2014).
Samuel, who spent his first five NFL seasons with the Patriots after being drafted in the fourth round in 2003, has 22 career interceptions, including 10 in 2006 and six last year. He has three regular-season interception returns for TDs to go with his three in the postseason. During his stay in Foxboro, he was named to two Pro Bowls, one all-pro team and won two Super Bowl rings.
Today's furious activity comes four years after a similar flurry. In 2004, the Eagles signed Jevon Kearse on the first day of free agency and acquired Terrell Owens via a complicated trade with the 49ers and Ravens one day later.
where the farg is this PC?
i hope they wait until 5 now...i'm riveted by the Penn State basketball story
bwhahah..I got the same shtein on
Maybe he failed his physical. :paranoid
He fell off the exam table and broke his neck.
Press Conference was moved back 30 minutes, apparently the 5 years $47.2 million reported was bogus and the two sides are still negotiating.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on February 29, 2008, 04:48:34 PM
Press Conference was moved back 30 minutes, apparently the 5 years $47.2 million reported was bogus and the two sides are still negotiating.
Yay. Being an Eagles fan rulz!!!!!!!!!!!!11
could it ever be that easy..naaaaaah
Quote from: SD_Eagle on February 29, 2008, 04:48:34 PM
Press Conference was moved back 30 minutes, apparently the 5 years $47.2 million reported was bogus and the two sides are still negotiating.
says??
Quote from: PhillyGirl on February 29, 2008, 04:50:53 PM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on February 29, 2008, 04:48:34 PM
Press Conference was moved back 30 minutes, apparently the 5 years $47.2 million reported was bogus and the two sides are still negotiating.
says??
Joe
Quote from: PhillyGirl on February 29, 2008, 04:50:53 PM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on February 29, 2008, 04:48:34 PM
Press Conference was moved back 30 minutes, apparently the 5 years $47.2 million reported was bogus and the two sides are still negotiating.
says??
Gargano
It's all going to fall apart at the last second. Watch.
Quote from: Rome on February 29, 2008, 04:53:51 PM
It's all going to fall apart at the last second. Watch.
Banners trying to jew him down
Quote from: Rome on February 29, 2008, 04:53:51 PM
It's all going to fall apart at the last second. Watch.
And everyone will retardedly get upset just like what happened with Ryan Fowler last year. Most of the people I've talked to don't want Samuel either.
Banner is probably trying to sell him the rust protection and the extended warranty.
The more I mull this move over the more I want the Eagles to keep Lito. Just think about that secondary. Three potential all pros (Lito, Dawk , Samuel and a guy in Sheapard that could make the probowl if he plays to his standards of only a year or two ago.
That would be sick smothering. I see coverage sacks galore.
Wow... we could have Lito AND Sheapard? Dare to dream.
Quote from: Zanshin on February 29, 2008, 05:00:40 PM
Wow... we could have Lito AND Sheapard? Dare to dream.
:-D :-D :-D
Quote from: Displaced on February 29, 2008, 04:59:04 PM
The more I mull this move over the more I want the Eagles to keep Lito. Just think about that secondary. Three potential all pros (Lito, Dawk , Samuel and a guy in Sheapard that could make the probowl if he plays to his standards of only a year or two ago.
That would be sick smothering. I see coverage sacks galore.
worst post ever.
Spadaro just said it's official.
Good luck in Arizona, Asante!
Barkan on DNL is reporting it as a 6 year deal
ESPNews John Clayton said Samuel got it done 6 years around $54M.
It is official per DNL. Presser from the Eagles.
Get Drayton Florence and Jacques Reeves next!
I am rubbing one out as we speak.
Quote from: hbionic on February 29, 2008, 05:04:56 PM
I am rubbing one out as we speak.
I'm rubbing one out to you rubbing one out
I'm rubbing one out fantasizing about John Vukovich's wife.
I'm going streaking through the quad to the gymnasium...who's coming with me?
Why is this fargtard talking about getting another CB through FA?
Quote from: PhillyGirl on February 29, 2008, 05:01:17 PM
Quote from: Displaced on February 29, 2008, 04:59:04 PM
The more I mull this move over the more I want the Eagles to keep Lito. Just think about that secondary. Three potential all pros (Lito, Dawk , Samuel and a guy in Sheapard that could make the probowl if he plays to his standards of only a year or two ago.
That would be sick smothering. I see coverage sacks galore.
worst post ever.
Don't sell yourself short PG. You have had plenty worse than that.
Just because the ahem conventional wisdom on this board says trade Lito doesn't make anybody in here a personel guy or lady. How can anybody with one brainwave deny that that backfield would shut down just about any pass attack?
ha
There is no reason to keep ALL of them. Lito is unhappy with his contract, he's great trade bait.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on February 29, 2008, 05:06:22 PM
Quote from: hbionic on February 29, 2008, 05:04:56 PM
I am rubbing one out as we speak.
I'm rubbing one out to you rubbing one out
I'm wearing an Eagles jersey, a beanie, and eagles panties. The crotchless ones.
Now that Sammy's signed, Lito will be traded and that will mean the Eagles will need another cornerback. Again, unless the thought of Joselio Hanson being the starter fluffs your pillows in the event of an injury.
Quote from: hbionic on February 29, 2008, 05:12:10 PM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on February 29, 2008, 05:06:22 PM
Quote from: hbionic on February 29, 2008, 05:04:56 PM
I am rubbing one out as we speak.
I'm rubbing one out to you rubbing one out
I'm wearing an Eagles jersey, a beanie, and eagles panties. The crotchless ones.
I'm cleaning off my keyboard
PC beginning now.
Quote from: Rome on February 29, 2008, 05:13:11 PM
Now that Sammy's signed, Lito will be traded and that will mean the Eagles will need another cornerback. Again, unless the thought of Joselio Hanson being the starter fluffs your pillows in the event of an injury.
How is this any different than had they not signed Samuel and went into the season with Tito and Sheppard and Tito and Sheldon and Brown and Lito as the starters?
Or is the point being that once they trade Tito, the CB position is no different than it was 3 days ago?
wow, PE has Assante Samuel jerseys all ready up
Andy nipped the Lito questions in the bud.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on February 29, 2008, 05:11:38 PM
ha
There is no reason to keep ALL of them. Lito is unhappy with his contract, he's great trade bait.
Of course there is. We can all sit here and talk about how nobody can pass on the Eagles as we watch them win 8 games just like last season.
Quote from: King Cole on February 29, 2008, 05:17:28 PM
Andy nipped the Lito questions in the bud.
Yeah, I totally heard that by listening to my coffe cup at work. It was really funny the way he did it too. Andy's great.
Ha...Samuel is sure to be a Dio favorite...first thing he did was thank the "Lord".
Quote from: Sgt PSN on February 29, 2008, 05:19:18 PM
Quote from: King Cole on February 29, 2008, 05:17:28 PM
Andy nipped the Lito questions in the bud.
Yeah, I totally heard that by listening to my coffe cup at work. It was really funny the way he did it too. Andy's great.
Andy said before we begin, this is Asante's day so no questions about any other players on the team today.
Lito is upset with his contract. You dont' think that's going to cause problems?
Les Bowen ignored Andy's request and asked about the lineup.
Andy said Asante is the starting left corner and "we'll go from there." (Lito's gone)
"No comment" on whether he felt underappreciated in NE. Ha.
Quote from: EagleFeva on February 29, 2008, 05:18:47 PM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on February 29, 2008, 05:11:38 PM
ha
There is no reason to keep ALL of them. Lito is unhappy with his contract, he's great trade bait.
Of course there is. We can all sit here and talk about how nobody can pass on the Eagles as we watch them win 8 games just like last season.
Do you really think that offense with Donnie, LJ, and Westy all hurt at different times during the season was representative of what the Eagles offense is? I don't.
As for Lito being unhappy well cry me a river. The young man is paid and paid well and if he could stay healthy, we wouldn't be where we are now.
All the talk about Fitz and Williams is nice but I am a Philadelphia Eagles-Sixers-Philliies fan and things rarely go that well for people like us.
So that said I am mentally preparing my self for the worse possible scenario and a secondary of Shepard, Dawk Samuels and Brown is one hell of a fallback position.
BTW Lito is not perfect trade bait Don't you think other treams know his situation and the team's situation? The other teams will try and hold a gun to their heads.
Laughed at loud at the underappreciated thing.
And Lito's gotta be thrilled to hear he's no longer the starting LC.
:-D
Quote from: Butchers Bill on February 29, 2008, 05:19:25 PM
Ha...Samuel is sure to be a Dio favorite...first thing he did was thank the "Lord".
If I took it seriously every time I heard an athlete say that, I'd hate sports by now.
I just got a knock-off Samuel Eagles jersey off eBay for $35. The internet is a wonderful thing.
Yeah Lito's gone. Maybe he pulled a Trotter.
Oh well I hope they can pull off the trade for another weapon whether he be Williams or Fitz. I just don't see it happening.
Spadaro after the PC: "That is a position currently occupied by Lito Sheppard, so... uhhhh... uhhhh [uhhhs continue for a good ten seconds]... that's something that leads to a lot of questions."
what a retard
I'm excited about Samuel, and if Tito fetches something good then its worth it. Farg tito by the way, you sign a contract like he did, you have to understand your bypassing your chances at getting paid more if you wait, but you get the security of money up front. All of these spoiled athletes annoy the farg out of me.
QuoteEagles | Team signs Samuel
Fri, 29 Feb 2008 14:42:24 -0800
Updating a previous report, Michael Smith, of ESPN, reports the Philadelphia Eagles signed unrestricted free-agent CB Asante Samuel (Patriots) Friday, Feb. 29, to a six-year deal worth $57 million, with $32 million over the first three years
If the Eagles trade Lito they leave themselves vulnerable in the secondary in a division that has Burress and Toomer, Moss and Cooley, and T.O. and Witten.
If they keep Lito, move him over to the right side then they match up way better with the ompetition they will face next season. But hey maybe the up grade on the offensive side of the ball from whatever they may get for Lito in the form of a WR makes up the difference.
If Lito is traded its going to be for a difference maker at WR, I don't think there is any doubt about that. If he stays, then yes, we'll have a stronger secondary but with the still weak pass rush it really doesn't matter. Remember, the Giants shut down Brady/Moss et al in the Super Bowl with a zesty secondary. The pass rush is the key, not DB's.
The best move to make now is deal Lito and a pick for whatever WR they have lined up. You would think that they have a deal in place, or they would not have signed Samuel.
Sorry, I didn't read all the new posts carefully...
Is anyone talking about keeping all three Sheldon, Lito and Asante? Maybe move Sheldon to safety, so he can hit more?
Given the last couple of pages of this thread, I don't think that's the bandwagon you want to be on.
Everyone talks about that and all, but how do we really know that Sheldon can even play safety at a high level? I've never been on board with moving him back there.
Quote from: Diomedes on February 29, 2008, 06:07:39 PM
Sorry, I didn't read all the new posts carefully...
Is anyone talking about keeping all three Sheldon, Lito and Asante? Maybe move Sheldon to safety, so he can hit more?
Just fans speculating. Reid did say in the presser than Asante is the starter and he refused to talk about other players.
Problem is if they keep all three, Lito is going to be very unhappy that the dude next to him is getting paid 4X more than he is. Is keeping him (assuming there is fair value available in trade) worth the locker room headache it could turn out to be?
Sheldon can hit...this is not something anyone would say about Lito or Asante.
He's also quick enough to cover a lot of ground fast...seems a natural fit to me....and the team has a strong need at safety.
But okay, I don't care to argue with anyone about it...whatever happens happens.
farg Reid
Quote from: PhillyGirl on February 29, 2008, 05:11:38 PM
ha
There is no reason to keep ALL of them. Lito is unhappy with his contract, he's great trade bait.
Actually as of the signing, he is not great trade bait, the eagles don't need him, so teams wont be so pressed to offer more to get him.
I really don't see why keeping all of them isnt an option with the way the cap is this year, the eagles can certianly afford it.
bahaha he has an "ass" in his name
Quote from: Diomedes on February 29, 2008, 06:21:21 PM
Sheldon can hit...this is not something anyone would say about Lito or Asante.
He's also quick enough to cover a lot of ground fast...seems a natural fit to me....and the team has a strong need at safety.
But okay, I don't care to argue with anyone about it...whatever happens happens.
farg Reid
Nah, I'm not arguing with you. Just speaking in general. I think Sheldon is fine at CB where he is... he's a borderline pro-bowl player there. I'm not saying he can't play safety... just that there's been no reason to move him. Kinda the same with Andrews with the RG/RT situation.
Yeah, the Eagles have a need at safety... so IMO they need to go out and get a career/experienced safety.
well, maybe I'm mistaken, but it seems to me that there's no way they keep all three at the DB position. Either Lito goes, or Sheldon gets moved to Safety. Right?
I don't see them demoting Sheldon to nickel corner.
That's kinda been the argument over the last bunch of pages. I figure the only way this Samuel move really makes sense if Lito is moved elsewhere.
Don't discount the notion that Brown is the one traded. As of right now, he has a higher trade value between them.
shtein, I want them both to stay.
Quote from: EagleFeva on February 29, 2008, 06:12:01 PM
Everyone talks about that and all, but how do we really know that Sheldon can even play safety at a high level? I've never been on board with moving him back there.
The general assumption being made is that CB and S are the same set of skills, and that weaker (skill wise), smaller players wind up at saftey while the best become CB's.
This is reflected in safety being paid some much lower.
Therefore, if you are a good safety, you are automatically a good CB.
I don't know how true this is, and would love for someone to do some research about past players who have switched position.
I know that College CB's often become safeties.
Quote from: Wingspan on February 29, 2008, 07:11:43 PM
Don't discount the notion that Brown is the one traded. As of right now, he has a higher trade value between them.
They have two starters at LCB and one at RCB. One of the two LCB's is leaving and it won't be the guy they just spent $54M on. And how do you figure that Lito isn't great trade bait? He was a Pro Bowl cornerback in 2006 and teams will pay a hefty price to get him especially if he keeps his whore mouth shut and let's the Eagles find a good place for him.
Regardless, he's out of here.
Oh, and Sheldon isn't going anywhere either.
Quote from: Rome on February 29, 2008, 07:21:17 PM
And how do you figure that Lito isn't great trade bait?
Simple supply and demand.
Other teams know the eagles have to trade one of them. They can offer less to get it. Right now teams are not approaching the eagles to get Sheppard, the eagles are calling around trying to find a way to trade him for value.
Brown's not going anywhere. Why would they trade the guy who is happy with how things are right now (assuming he stays as starter). Lito is miserable with his contract and its widely reported at this point...leaked by his own agent.
Sure, Keep the miserable Lito and deal the happy Sheldon Brown.
Great plan.
Of course, you're totally impartial about this.
Well, bias aside, it makes no sense.
Stick Lito, who is already miserable with his contract, next to the guy making a fresh fortune....see how nicely they get along and see how happy Lito is/plays.
PG makes sense
Quote from: PhillyGirl on February 29, 2008, 07:41:51 PM
Brown's not going anywhere. Why would they trade the guy who is happy with how things are right now (assuming he stays as starter). Lito is miserable with his contract and its widely reported at this point...leaked by his own agent.
Sure, Keep the miserable Lito and deal the happy Sheldon Brown.
Great plan.
Nevermind, I forgot how easy it was to trade a player that hasnt played a full season in 5 years, and is unhappy about his contract.
If you dont think anyone the eagles talk to about offering Sheppard isn't going to counter with "What about Sheldon Brown instead?" then you are simply being delusionsal about how this could work.
If I am any other team right now, and I see that the eagles have 3 pro bowl level CBs, and 2 are not making 9M...I want the perennially healthy one that doesn't want a new deal.
I am sure the eagles want to deal sheppard in a percfect world....but the other team has to want sheppard just as much.
Right now, Sheldon Brown has a higher trade value than Lito Sheppard.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on February 29, 2008, 07:45:32 PM
Well, bias aside, it makes no sense.
Stick Lito, who is already miserable with his contract, next to the guy making a fresh fortune....see how nicely they get along and see how happy Lito is/plays.
Who cares how happy he is?
You think westbrook was happy this year when he had to pay back his hush money? How did he do?
Angry players play better.
Reid, himself, indicated that Samuel was the starting LCB in the press conference. Lito isn't going to switch to RCB. What does that tell you? Do you think Lito is going to allow himself to be demoted to second string? You don't think he'll raise holy hell if he isn't gone and soon?
And that certianly makes him a more desired commodity to another team.
They will just wait until the birds are forced to cut him.
I am not saying I even want to keep Lito...but look at this from another teams perspective and you'll see that Sheppard isnt the better option here.
If the Eagles cut Lito I'll give you $20.
It won't lower his value much. There aren't many alternatives. Lito is a pro bowler. If teams don't give what the Eagles want, then what do they do... go out and sign Will James?
No matter what happens it's a tough but nice spot to be in with such good players at the corner position....it's just tough to keep everyone happy
1. Good to see them get Samuel in here. GF should love him because he has two first names. The top available FA is great if they can build upon it and assuming they hit on this guy unlike the flops of Kearse and others.
2. Clemons would be a solid, solid addition. Not a star, but a guy who can get after the passer. I would be cool with that signing.
3. Maurice Hicks is a guy who I did not even consider as a KOR guy, but he's pretty damn good there too. But once again, the blocking has to get better before anything good happens in the return games. But hey - at least they will have a guy who catches the goddamn ball.
4. The only way I see Roy Williams coming here is if Matt Millen picks up the phone and calls Andy and begs him to take Williams because he wants Lito so much. I want Williams or Fitz badly.
5. Vilma not being brought in here is a crime. I'm salty as shtein about that.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on February 29, 2008, 08:48:07 PM
5. Vilma not being brought in here is a crime. I'm salty as shtein about that.
There is something so not right about that deal. Something is not right with Vilma. It can't be right. He was traded for nothing. How is that possible?
Quote from: PhillyGirl on February 29, 2008, 09:44:43 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on February 29, 2008, 08:48:07 PM
5. Vilma not being brought in here is a crime. I'm salty as shtein about that.
There is something so not right about that deal. Something is not right with Vilma. It can't be right. He was traded for nothing. How is that possible?
J-E-T-S Jets Jets Jets?
QuotePOSTED 8:59 p.m. EST, February 29, 2008
LITO OUT THE DOOR?
With cornerback Asante Samuel in the fold, the Eagles are now going to attempt to trade cornerback Lito Sheppard, according to Adam Schefter of NFL Network.
Calls are already coming in for Sheppard, a first-round draft pick in 2002 who is still only 26 years old.
In recent weeks, there were rumors that that Sheppard was on he block, and the team strongly denied it. In hindsight, it's likely that the Eagles didn't want to tip their hand regarding their plans to pursue Samuel.
Sheppard is under contract for four more seasons, with base salaries of $2 million in 2008, $3 million in 2009, $3.7 million in 2010, and $4.25 million in 2011.
Calls? Why would there be calls? He has no trade value.
^-^
Lito plus a #5 might get the Eagles a #7 in return.
Sorry, I don't want a pick. We KNOW they won't go WR with a pick, and even if they do...it will take 2 years before that pick can do shtein in this offense. Then Kolb might be starting and it will be totally different anyway.
Give me Williams or Fitzgerald...then I'll be VERY happy with the Samuel deal. Until then, I'm not 100% happy.
QuoteCalls? Why would there be calls? He has no trade value.
yeah, cant quite figure out what Wing was trying to impose there. I dont care what team you are, your calling for a 26 year old ProBowler, injuries or not...and your not gonna sit on your heels waiting for the Eagles to cut him for a team to come in and scoop him. That shtein aint happening. Hes still very very good
Your going to make the best deal and try to accomadate the Eagles the best as possible because of exactly what Adam Schefter just said. Although with injuries, hes still very young with alot more to go. Teams will be lining up for any Probowl corner at that age, and I think the Birds are in the driver seat with this one
Yeah man but they could totally deal Sheldon and be in the back seat.
well, the eagles weren't lining up to pay lito...and that's what another team will have to do after they trade for him.
fitz or roy would be great but don't they also want new deals? unfortunately, i think they best they'll do is a pick or two for lito.
I don't care what the Eagles defensive backfield situation is or how pissed off Lito is. There will always be a market for good cornerbacks in the NFL and Lito's definitely one of them despite his injury history. There are teams with needs and there are teams with players who are in circumstances that are similar to Lito's. The Eagles just have to find the right deal and make it. It'll happen. Maybe not tomorrow or next week but it will happen.
Regardless, the chances of the Eagles just releasing Lito are less than zero.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3270336
QuoteCLEMONS JOINS EAGLES
Having added prized cornerback Asante Samuel to their secondary on Friday, the Philadelphia Eagles on Saturday will bolster their pass rush by signing unrestricted free agent linebacker/defensive end Chris Clemons of the Oakland Raiders.
ESPN.com has learned that Clemons reached a Friday night contract agreement. He and agent Don Henderson will fly to Philadelphia on Saturday to sign the contract, details of which were not yet available.
With eight sacks for the Raiders in 2007, when he was principally used as a situational pass rusher, Clemons is the leading sacker in the unrestricted free agent pool.
Clemons, 26, entered the NFL as an undrafted free agent in 2003 with the Washington taterskins. The former University of Georgia star wasn't even in the NFL in 2006, and was signed by the Raiders last season almost as an afterthought. In 36 games, he has 36 tackles and 13 sacks.
--Len Pasquarelli, ESPN.com
I talked to my old roomate who's a Raiders fan and he wasn't too happy to see Clemons leaving
Quote from: hunt on February 29, 2008, 10:26:01 PM
well, the eagles weren't lining up to pay lito...and that's what another team will have to do after they trade for him.
fitz or roy would be great but don't they also want new deals? unfortunately, i think they best they'll do is a pick or two for lito.
Lito's got four years left on his deal. His only leverage would be a threat to sit out if his new team didn't re-work his deal. But even if he did threaten to sit out, it still wouldn't matter. He's under an iron clad contract that gives him no recourse but to play. I don't think it would come to that because if the Eagles did trade for a Fitz or Williams, they'd undoubtedly agree to a new contract with them beforehand as well just as Lito would restructure his deal with his new employer.
Quote from: Rome on February 29, 2008, 10:26:18 PM
I don't care what the Eagles defensive backfield situation is or how pissed off Lito is. There will always be a market for good cornerbacks in the NFL and Lito's definitely one of them despite his injury history. There are teams with needs and there are teams with players who are in circumstances that are similar to Lito's. The Eagles just have to find the right deal and make it. It'll happen. Maybe not tomorrow or next week but it will happen.
Regardless, the chances of the Eagles just releasing Lito are less than zero.
I pray to god they do Rome, because to just sign a slight better corner in Samuels and not get top value in return is not only a wash but a straight catastrophe
Quote from: SD_Eagle on February 29, 2008, 10:28:43 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3270336
QuoteCLEMONS JOINS EAGLES
Having added prized cornerback Asante Samuel to their secondary on Friday, the Philadelphia Eagles on Saturday will bolster their pass rush by signing unrestricted free agent linebacker/defensive end Chris Clemons of the Oakland Raiders.
ESPN.com has learned that Clemons reached a Friday night contract agreement. He and agent Don Henderson will fly to Philadelphia on Saturday to sign the contract, details of which were not yet available.
With eight sacks for the Raiders in 2007, when he was principally used as a situational pass rusher, Clemons is the leading sacker in the unrestricted free agent pool.
Clemons, 26, entered the NFL as an undrafted free agent in 2003 with the Washington taterskins. The former University of Georgia star wasn't even in the NFL in 2006, and was signed by the Raiders last season almost as an afterthought. In 36 games, he has 36 tackles and 13 sacks.
--Len Pasquarelli, ESPN.com
I talked to my old roomate who's a Raiders fan and he wasn't too happy to see Clemons leaving
whats up with a Clemons thread SD..get up on it
edit: nevermind..better wait to see a John Hancock
Quote from: Rome on February 29, 2008, 10:30:55 PM
I don't think it would come to that because if the Eagles did trade for a Fitz or Williams, they'd undoubtedly agree to a new contract with them beforehand as well just as Lito would restructure his deal with his new employer.
i think that's what i meant.
fitz, roy, lito....all want new deals when/if they're traded. i'm sure there will be interest in lito...but maybe not at the salary he wants.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on February 29, 2008, 10:28:43 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3270336
QuoteCLEMONS JOINS EAGLES
Having added prized cornerback Asante Samuel to their secondary on Friday, the Philadelphia Eagles on Saturday will bolster their pass rush by signing unrestricted free agent linebacker/defensive end Chris Clemons of the Oakland Raiders.
ESPN.com has learned that Clemons reached a Friday night contract agreement. He and agent Don Henderson will fly to Philadelphia on Saturday to sign the contract, details of which were not yet available.
With eight sacks for the Raiders in 2007, when he was principally used as a situational pass rusher, Clemons is the leading sacker in the unrestricted free agent pool.
Clemons, 26, entered the NFL as an undrafted free agent in 2003 with the Washington taterskins. The former University of Georgia star wasn't even in the NFL in 2006, and was signed by the Raiders last season almost as an afterthought. In 36 games, he has 36 tackles and 13 sacks.
--Len Pasquarelli, ESPN.com
I talked to my old roomate who's a Raiders fan and he wasn't too happy to see Clemons leaving
farging great news. :yay
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Greatest photo ever.
QuotePOSTED 10:28 p.m. EST, February 29, 2008
LITO HAS BEEN BENCHED
In the offseason, NFL teams don't spend much time updating their depth charts.
But sometimes, they do.
As a reader has pointed out, the Eagles already have revised their on-line to show Asante Samuel as the first-string left cornerback -- and Lito Sheppard as a second-string player. There are reports that the Eagles will try to trade Sheppard.
Despite rumors that right cornerback Sheldon Brown will move to safety, he's still listed as the starter at right cornerback.
Mort was just on ESPN radio, said the Eagles had interest in Porter before he signed with the Jags. Says Walker is the Eagles next target but if that doesn't work out and the Pats fail to sign Moss that the Eagles would seriously consider him as an option.
ha
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Quote from: SD_Eagle on February 29, 2008, 10:44:30 PM
Mort was just on ESPN radio, said the Eagles had interest in Porter before he signed with the Jags. Says Walker is the Eagles next target but if that doesn't work out and the Pats fail to sign Moss that the Eagles would seriously consider him as an option.
ha
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I barf from thinking Walker is their next target. God Damnit. :boom
The Jags giving Porter 30 million dollars is outlandishly absurd. 10 million guaranteed is flat-out loco. He's never even had a 1,000 yard season.
he's also had garbage qbs throwing to him
Quote from: PhillyGirl on February 29, 2008, 10:05:36 PM
Calls? Why would there be calls? He has no trade value.
^-^
Yeah...that's really what I said. Good call on that igy
Quote from: Rome on February 29, 2008, 10:30:55 PMLito's got four years left on his deal. His only leverage would be a threat to sit out if his new team didn't re-work his deal.
He sits out a solid 1/3 of the games anyway.
Quote from: SunMo on February 29, 2008, 11:02:38 PM
he's also had garbage qbs throwing to him
Kerry Collins? Garbage?!?
Balderdash!
i'm going to use balderdash in a sentence twice tomorrow
Splendid.
I really dont want to see Tito leave. But they've backed themselves into a corner (PUN ALERT ROMEY!) because if they keep him, they have to pay him and he's a risk to get a new deal because of injuries.
If they somehow kept Lito and started him over Sheldon, with Sheldon being the 3rd CB he'd cry just like he cried when big bad Jimmy Johnson said he had to fight Will James for his job.
Either way, Samuel was a solid move. Now take one of your only valuable trading chips and turn it into something useful, you know, like a goddamn stud WR!
Lito & a pick for Roy.
NOW
The Eagles will sign Walker, and say Roy wasn't available. Then two weeks later he'll get traded to the taterskins for a 4th round pick.
No, but seriously I'm with you. get Roy.
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/taterskinsinsider/
Tito to Washington?
Quote from: PhillyGirl on February 29, 2008, 10:47:00 PM
I barf from thinking Walker is their next target. God Damnit. :boom
I agree. It would be the Curtis thing all over again. I'd rather have Stallworth back.
Why would anybody not want them to bring in Javon Walker? If Williams is available he is definately the guy I would want, but if he is not.....Walker ain't too bad.
Quote from: Cthulhu on March 01, 2008, 01:36:53 AM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on February 29, 2008, 10:47:00 PM
I barf from thinking Walker is their next target. God Damnit. :boom
I agree. It would be the Curtis thing all over again. I'd rather have Stallworth back.
What was wrong with the Curtis signing?
But I agree, I would like to have Donte back as well. If they strike out on Williams or Fitz, bring back Stallworth.
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on March 01, 2008, 01:42:56 AMWhy would anybody not want them to bring in Javon Walker?
Because he should be Plan G or H behind Fitzgerald, Wiliams, Ocho, Moss, Berrian, Stallworth and Hackett....
I'd rather have Walker over Stallworth, Hackett, or Berrian.
Crazy?
Javon Walker before he blew up his ACL, yes. But over Stallworth?
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 01, 2008, 01:44:46 AM
What was wrong with the Curtis signing?
But I agree, I would like to have Donte back as well. If they strike out on Williams or Fitz, bring back Stallworth.
Curtis would be great if we had a really kick ass receiver. it's just too easy to focus on him whithout one. And I believe his contract amount is kinda high.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 01, 2008, 01:44:46 AM
What was wrong with the Curtis signing?
But I agree, I would like to have Donte back as well. If they strike out on Williams or Fitz, bring back Stallworth.
And yes, I'd love to have Williams.
Quote from: Cthulhu on March 01, 2008, 02:01:53 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 01, 2008, 01:44:46 AM
What was wrong with the Curtis signing?
But I agree, I would like to have Donte back as well. If they strike out on Williams or Fitz, bring back Stallworth.
Curtis would be great if we had a really kick ass receiver. it's just too easy to focus on him whithout one. And I believe his contract amount is kinda high.
Well, he quietly had a pretty good season last year. I do think he is an ideal #2 guy which is why I want to see them go balls out and get Roy Williams or someone like that. Hell, even like we've talked about before; Stallworth. He'd give them two guys who can get deep on speed alone.
I dont worry about his contract amount with the way the cap has blown up and wll continue to rise.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 01, 2008, 02:34:24 AM
Well, he quietly had a pretty good season last year. I do think he is an ideal #2 guy which is why I want to see them go balls out and get Roy Williams or someone like that. Hell, even like we've talked about before; Stallworth. He'd give them two guys who can get deep on speed alone.
I dont worry about his contract amount with the way the cap has blown up and wll continue to rise.
Hell yeah! That's what i'm saying. He'd rock at #2 if we could get the right #1. if we got another burner for wr, even another #2, it would make it difficult to cover both effectively. and open it up for the other receivers and the running game. the running game being key here.....
Curtis was arguably one of the best Eagles' FA signings of the last decade.
Maybe, with the right supporting cast.......
Kevin Curtis makes up 1/2 of Eagles recievers in the last 10 years to have 1000 yard season. He's not a top 10 reciever but he was a good signing and one of the best FA pickups they've had in quite a long time. The best FA pickup they've had in 10 years is probably John Runyan. After that it very well may be Curtis.
Quote from: FastFreddie on March 01, 2008, 05:53:49 AM
Curtis was arguably one of the best Eagles' FA signings of the last decade.
You mean that's not Dhani Jones?
Quote from: Sgt PSN on March 01, 2008, 07:44:00 AM
Kevin Curtis makes up 1/2 of Eagles recievers in the last 10 years to have 1000 yard season. He's not a top 10 reciever but he was a good signing and one of the best FA pickups they've had in quite a long time. The best FA pickup they've had in 10 years is probably John Runyan. After that it very well may be Curtis.
And look who we have had for recievers over the last ten years...
thrash, pinkston, mitchel, etc...
we need another good one to make Curtis shine. Like i said, not a great one necessarily, but a "#2".....
No. The Eagles need a bona fide #1.
Quote from: Diomedes on March 01, 2008, 08:03:42 AM
No. The Eagles need a bona fide #1.
You know that. I know that. Even Munson knows that. But does Andy F. Reid know that?
We're about to find out I suppose. Oh, the excitement.
Greatest. Offseason. Ever.
Quote from: Diomedes on March 01, 2008, 08:03:42 AM
No. The Eagles need a bona fide #1.
Hmmm. Again, i'd be good with Stallworth back in the mix.....
of course R. williams, etc.. wouldn't be bad either. point is, matching him with another good receiver. not necessarily a #1, but a complement...
Quote from: Sgt PSN on March 01, 2008, 08:18:34 AM
Greatest. Offseason. Ever.
Becuase of Samuel? we need help on offense....
i don't know if you guys saw this but it might be important:
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/7852370
QuoteAsante Samuel is just another greedy lil n***** looking for a big payday rather than winning. It just goes to show you that the Pats are not about family, but more about punching your ticket for better things elsewhere. His 2007 was no where near his 2006, but he still made the big cheese because there is no one else out there. He was never that good anyway; watch him fake injuries and sit around collecting a fat paycheck. He is set for life, so he will rather eat watermellon and drink Ripple now than work.
:paranoid
stallworth would be a disappointmet, imo. dude only caught 38 balls with the eagles & had injury problems. they really need a legit #1.
file stallworth under "better than nothing".
can he be filed under "better than Walker?"
I rather think so...he'd be cheaper, knows the team, is less of a head case, etc...
I just dont' see them ever bringing Stallworth back. THey had their chance last year and passed on him. Unless his value hits the toilet big time (aka, no one even sniffs at him), they won't bring him in. I can almost imagine he's not even on their radar.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 01, 2008, 01:49:12 AM
Crazy?
Javon Walker before he blew up his ACL, yes. But over Stallworth?
Stallworth is not that good that he is a must have.
I would take a chance on walker before bringing back stallworth.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on March 01, 2008, 09:14:22 AM
I just dont' see them ever bringing Stallworth back. THey had their chance last year and passed on him. Unless his value hits the toilet big time (aka, no one even sniffs at him), they won't bring him in. I can almost imagine he's not even on their radar.
me either. they passed on him for Curtis.
I think it would be nice to have him now though. I can think of others like Williams, etc., that would be good, but Stallworth would make it a good matching. hard to cover speed, esp. at two wr positions.
See Patriots....
Quote from: Diomedes on March 01, 2008, 08:57:35 AM
can he be filed under "better than Walker?"
I rather think so...he'd be cheaper, knows the team, is less of a head case, etc...
i think so too...i think walker's knees are shot.
let me put it another way...
which group inspires more respect:
javon walker
kevin curtis
reggie brown
donte stallworth
kevin curtis
reggie brown
seems to me the answer is neither...in which case I'd prefer stallworth for the reasons already mentioned
of course, I'd rather have Williams first, or Fitz second...but that goes without saying, really
i agree.
neither group would strike fear in opposing secondaries...all other things being equal, i'd lean towards the guy who has played in this system before and hasn't had 3 operations on his right knee.
Quote from: Diomedes on March 01, 2008, 09:51:09 AM
Yes, agreed.
i can think of others, but Stallworth would fit the "roll"
combined with Curtis, the speed would be hard for secondaries to cover.
QuoteIt's an illness, I'm proud to say. The wife thinks I'm nuts. I woke up, tried a little smoochy, smoochy (happy to have been brushed aside) and then jumped out of bed, weighed myself (losing pounds; I look too much like Uncle Fester these days) and here I am in my home office. Day one of free agency was a blast, a real adrenaline rush, and I think there are some more things the Eagles can accomplish today and Sunday.
Quote from: bowzer on March 01, 2008, 09:57:34 AM
QuoteIt's an illness, I'm proud to say. The wife thinks I'm nuts. I woke up, tried a little smoochy, smoochy (happy to have been brushed aside) and then jumped out of bed, weighed myself (losing pounds; I look too much like Uncle Fester these days) and here I am in my home office. Day one of free agency was a blast, a real adrenaline rush, and I think there are some more things the Eagles can accomplish today and Sunday.
Its so sad that we don't even have to guess who wrote that. There is only one person on the planet who is on that level.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on March 01, 2008, 10:26:49 AM
Quote from: bowzer on March 01, 2008, 09:57:34 AM
QuoteIt's an illness, I'm proud to say. The wife thinks I'm nuts. I woke up, tried a little smoochy, smoochy (happy to have been brushed aside) and then jumped out of bed, weighed myself (losing pounds; I look too much like Uncle Fester these days) and here I am in my home office. Day one of free agency was a blast, a real adrenaline rush, and I think there are some more things the Eagles can accomplish today and Sunday.
Its so sad that we don't even have to guess who wrote that. There is only one person on the planet who is on that level.
Art?
Quote from: Sgt PSN on March 01, 2008, 10:29:32 AM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on March 01, 2008, 10:26:49 AM
Quote from: bowzer on March 01, 2008, 09:57:34 AM
QuoteIt's an illness, I'm proud to say. The wife thinks I'm nuts. I woke up, tried a little smoochy, smoochy (happy to have been brushed aside) and then jumped out of bed, weighed myself (losing pounds; I look too much like Uncle Fester these days) and here I am in my home office. Day one of free agency was a blast, a real adrenaline rush, and I think there are some more things the Eagles can accomplish today and Sunday.
Its so sad that we don't even have to guess who wrote that. There is only one person on the planet who is on that level.
Art?
Was seriously going to be my reply as soon as I read PG's post.
QuotePIKES OUT IN PHILLY . . . MOSS IN?
On Friday night, an eagle-eyed reader in Philly pointed out to us that the Eagles' depth chart shows Asante Samuel as the starter at left cornerback, and Lito Sheppard as the second-stringer.
So we shared that info with PFT Planet, and several members of the Philly chapter pointed out that nowhere on the depth chart are the words "Takeo" or "Spikes."
And that is prompting speculation that Spikes and his $5 million base salary are on the way out. Since 2008 is the final year of his contract, cutting him would give the Eagles an immediate $5 million in cap space, with no acceleration.
The possible departure of Spikes and the arrival of receiver Randy Moss on the open market has prompted speculation that the Eagles might make a run at Randy.
The wild card in all of this is Samuel. He's in a position to greatly influence the Eagles, one way or the other, on the value of Moss. Samuel was with the Pats for four seasons before Moss, so he's in a great position to provide the powers-that-be with the inside look at the "before" and the "after".
Stay tuned. Prior to signing Asante, the Eagles were coy about trading Sheppard, likely because they didn't want a repeat of the LeCharles Bentley episode in their quest for Samuel. The wheels might quietly be in motion as to Spikes because the Eagles hope to soar under radar if they decide to try to reel in Randy.
Hey, if T.O. and Moss can't play on the same team, the next best thing is having him in the same division.
Speculative, I know, and far reaching because its based upon depth chart stuff. Even though the Samuel signing was put there on the chart, I'm guessing that the rest of it hasn't been updated since TKO was on IR at the end of the year.
Anyways, making a run at Moss would be great obviously. I was talking to a Cowboy fan friend of mine yesterday and telling him how cool it would be to have TO and Moss in the same division with Moss on TO's former team.
LOL, I just can't see (even with the visual SD provided) Moss wearing Eagles green.
I was just about to post that Phreak, but farg MOSS. He doesnt show up in big games, TO always did. Gimmie Roy or Fitz. Or Walker on the cheap. Gargano said a million times yesterday that Walkers knee was "a Mess" from one of his sources.
Quote from: Eagles Depth ChartWLB Takeo Spikes Omar Gaither
Yep, its been updated now.
So the fury about Spikes, by PFT and the EMB, can be put to rest now.
Good, because releasing him would be dumb.
this is why PFT sucks
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 01, 2008, 11:14:43 AM
Yep, its been updated now.
So the fury about Spikes, by PFT and the EMB, can be put to rest now.
Good, because releasing him would be dumb.
i know the pft story was bunk but i'd release spikes in a heartbeat if it meant getting moss.
LMFAO at PFT:
QuotePOSTED 11:46 a.m. EST, March 1, 2008
WHAT A DIFFERENCE A DAY MAKES
On Friday, we were golden in the eyes of Eagles web guy Dave Spadaro:
"I just checked out ProFootballTalk.com (which I do about 20 times an hour, anyway) and the suggestion is that the Eagles are chasing linebacker/defensive end Chris Clemons from Oakland and that, in a separate iitem, the team is considering moving Sheldon Brown to safety. I've looked up Clemons, I've talked to people about Clemons and he is said to be a speed-rushing end who could be a huge boost off the edge for this team. We shall see if, in fact, that rumor is true."
But now that we've pointed out the curious dichotomy between the presence of Asante Samuel and the absence of Takeo Spikes from the on-line depth chart, Spadaro regards us much differently:
"Now it's completely absurd. ProFootballTalk.com is 'speculating' that because the depth chart on this web site, the UNOFFICIAL DEPTH CHART, did not contain Takeo Spikes, that means Spikes could be on the way out. OK, so this is dumb. Spikes was on Injured Reserve at the end of the season and hasn't been added back to the depth chart, which really hasn't been updated all that much.
"Hey, there is no Sean Considine on the depth chart. Kimo von Oelhoffen is an unrestricted free agent, yet he is on the depth chart. Here is the upshot: We are likely to disable the depth chart because of stupid speculation like this. It just is not worth this kind of nonsense."
Ooooooo. The Eagles might "disable the depth chart" in retaliation for the fact that people assume that it was prepared by someone who didn't have his own head buried in his own ass. :-D :-D :-D
Dave, if the information isn't accurate, it should be disabled. Otherwise, inaccurate information posted on the depth chart will prompt speculation. So instead of chastising the fans and the readers (i.e., the Eagles' customers) for not being smart enough to engage in mind reading, maybe the folks responsible for the web site should be smart enough to ensure that it reflects correct information about relatively significant matters like, you know, who is and isn't on the team.
PFT vs. Spadaro. The ultimate cripple fight.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3272128
QuoteSource: NFC East teams among those showing interest in Walker
By Michael Smith
ESPN.com
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Updated: March 1, 2008, 12:30 PM ET
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While the Randy Moss free agency watch continues, more than a third of the league has its eye on Javon Walker.
At least 10 teams have been in contact with the agent for the wide receiver who was released Friday by the Denver Broncos, including all four NFC East clubs, according to a source.
The 49ers, Bills, Bucs, Panthers, Raiders and Vikings also have reached out to agent Kennard McGuire regarding Walker. No visits had been scheduled as of early Saturday.
The Cowboys and Eagles have a couple connections working in their favor in pursuit of Walker. Dallas receivers coach Ray Sherman coached Walker in Green Bay. Walker is friends with Eagles quarterback Donovan McNabb and the two have been training together in Arizona for several weeks.
Among the others teams showing interest, Walker is said to be intrigued by the prospect of playing in Mike Martz and Jon Gruden directed offenses in San Francisco and Tampa, respectively.
I think it's hilarious that they're saying that Samuel would have some sort of great influence over whether or not the Eagles would make a run at Moss. The ink still isn't dry on his contract yet and suddenly he's going to have a voice.
I laughed at that too.
Well why wouldn't they ask Asante's opinion on what he thinks of Moss' character? Seems only logical.
Because he's just a cornerback, not a group psychologist, team coach, or any other kind of authority on the subject?
so.....separate thread for Clemons or no?
Ed any idea on years or salary numbers for Clemons? We all had a ballpark estimate with Samuel but I have no idea what kind of deal a guy like Clemons would get.
Is he in or no? A friend of mine told me how he's listed on ESPN as an Eagle on their free agency list but I haven't seen anything else.
Quote from: BigEd76 on March 01, 2008, 01:23:45 PM
so.....separate thread for Clemons or no?
yeah, seperate thread
Quote from: Dillen on March 01, 2008, 01:26:20 PM
Is he in or no? A friend of mine told me how he's listed on ESPN as an Eagle on their free agency list but I haven't seen anything else.
3:30 PC but it looks to be a done deal
Haven't seen any numbers on it yet but I doubt it's a huge deal
Quote from: Dillen on March 01, 2008, 01:26:20 PM
Is he in or no? A friend of mine told me how he's listed on ESPN as an Eagle on their free agency list but I haven't seen anything else.
He's been listed there since at least 8 am central time.
First time I've seen this in writing, from nfl.com:
QuoteEagles open to dealing Sheppard
The Eagles have received phone calls on Lito Sheppard and they're open to dealing the two-time Pro Bowl cornerback. The team's acquisition of Asante Samuel is the reason why they can listen to offers for Sheppard.
The Eagles could be concerned about Sheppard's injury history as he started only 11 games last season and recorded only two interceptions. Philadelphia finished with just 11 interceptions last season, tied for last in the NFL.
-- Adam Schefter
The Eagles also will meet with defensive end Chris Clemons on Saturday. Clemons, 26, registered a career-high eight sacks for the Raiders in 2007, tying him with Derrick Burgess for the team lead. Clemons was originally signed as a rookie free agent linebacker by Washington in 2003 and recorded five sacks in 20 games for the taterskins from 2004-05
I would be curious to see what they could get for him given his injury history. I like any other Eagles fan would love to see him traded for Williams, I just don't really see that as likely. It would seem that a draft pick would be more likely.
As far as Javon Walker goes, I know he was hurt again last year for half the season. I don't know how serious his injury was, but following his ACL he posted 69 catches for just over 1000yds and 8tds.
Quote from: Banner's Cabana Boy on March 01, 2008, 12:58:20 PM
Well why wouldn't they ask Asante's opinion on what he thinks of Moss' character? Seems only logical.
Of course it does. But here's what the article said:
QuoteThe wild card in all of this is Samuel. Â He's in a position to greatly influence the Eagles, one way or the other, on the value of Moss. Â Samuel was with the Pats for four seasons before Moss, so he's in a great position to provide the powers-that-be with the inside look at the "before" and the "after".
Greatly influence the Eagles? Â He's in no better position to influence the Eagles as McNabb, Dawkins, Westbrook or any other star player that's been here for 5+ years. Â He's a new addition and hasn't even had a chance to put his name on his locker or meet the rest of the team. Â How the hell is he going to be some sort of great influence on personnel decisions?
They can ask him questions about Moss. Â But I seriously doubt that Samuel would be the one to actually sell them on bringing him in. Â If they were to actually ask him about Moss, it's because they've pretty much made up their minds already. Â
I thought it was some shoddy writing to word it that way. Â It's only purpose is to stir up rumors about the Eagles wanting Moss so they have something else to write about for the next few days. Â
Quote from: SD_Eagle on March 01, 2008, 12:48:45 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3272128
QuoteSource: NFC East teams among those showing interest in Walker
By Michael Smith
ESPN.com
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Updated: March 1, 2008, 12:30 PM ET
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While the Randy Moss free agency watch continues, more than a third of the league has its eye on Javon Walker.
At least 10 teams have been in contact with the agent for the wide receiver who was released Friday by the Denver Broncos, including all four NFC East clubs, according to a source.
The 49ers, Bills, Bucs, Panthers, Raiders and Vikings also have reached out to agent Kennard McGuire regarding Walker. No visits had been scheduled as of early Saturday.
The Cowboys and Eagles have a couple connections working in their favor in pursuit of Walker. Dallas receivers coach Ray Sherman coached Walker in Green Bay. Walker is friends with Eagles quarterback Donovan McNabb and the two have been training together in Arizona for several weeks.
Among the others teams showing interest, Walker is said to be intrigued by the prospect of playing in Mike Martz and Jon Gruden directed offenses in San Francisco and Tampa, respectively.
That's right, I forgot Walker gave the boot to Rosenhaus a couple of years ago. His career seemed to take a downturn after hiring him. Probably makes things more possible the Eagles might go after him if they had the interest.
Clemons got a 5 year deal. Financial terms weren't given yet.
Quote from: Dillen on March 01, 2008, 03:43:14 PM
Clemons got a 5 year deal. Financial terms weren't given yet.
Just saw that on pe.com, really like to see what they gave him
im not sure if im supposed to be excited about the clemons signing. another undersized speed rusher who im afraid will disappear down the stretch. besides he has had just one good season.
but i guess all that depends on what they bring in him for. im assuming clemons, thomas, abimari will battle it out for the starting job. just hope one of them can generate enough of a rush to complement cole and provide a real threat.
Cross Stallworth off the potential WR list, he signed with the Browns
Quote from: SD_Eagle on March 01, 2008, 05:08:42 PM
Cross Stallworth off the potential WR list, he signed with the Browns
Didn't see that coming. Nice way for Cleveland to help protect their investment in Anderson though. Edwards and Stallworth is a pretty nice combo.Â
I'm kind of glad too because the faster that the Stallworths, Javon Walkers and DJ Hacketts sign with other teams, the less time it gives the Eagles to grab one of them instead of making a solid effort for CJ, Roy or Fitz.Â
Edwards, Stallworth, Kellen Winslow > Eagles WR's and TE's
Eagles have a pretty good track record of being able to modify player's weight as needed. I think Cole came out around #240 and Bunkley, Gocong and Andrews all lost about 10% of their weight during an off season. Ironic when you look at the HC really.
Maybe the plan is for Juqua and Clemons to put on a few pounds and be able to stand up against the run as well a pass.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on March 01, 2008, 05:16:50 PMI'm kind of glad too because the faster that the Stallworths, Javon Walkers and DJ Hacketts sign with other teams, the less time it gives the Eagles to grab one of them instead of making a solid effort for CJ, Roy or Fitz.
Well, that's one way of looking at it. Another way would be to say that the signings reduce the ability of the Lions, Bengals, or Cardinals to get a decent replacement for the big loss of their star WR and make it less likely for them to trade.
If all the second tier guys get signed, I guess you could say it slightly increases the chances of the Eagles FO going after an elite WR. But in addition to that, it greatly increases the chances of them not addressing the WR position at all, at least until the draft.
Quote from: QB Eagles on March 01, 2008, 06:10:28 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on March 01, 2008, 05:16:50 PMI'm kind of glad too because the faster that the Stallworths, Javon Walkers and DJ Hacketts sign with other teams, the less time it gives the Eagles to grab one of them instead of making a solid effort for CJ, Roy or Fitz.
Well, that's one way of looking at it. Another way would be to say that the signings reduce the ability of the Lions, Bengals, or Cardinals to get a decent replacement for the big loss of their star WR and make it less likely for them to trade.
I'm not sure the Lions, Bengals, or Cardinals will look to replace. The Lions in particular are rumored to be open to trading Williams because they are already well stocked and want Calvin Johnson to emerge in William's place.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on March 01, 2008, 05:16:50 PM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on March 01, 2008, 05:08:42 PM
Cross Stallworth off the potential WR list, he signed with the Browns
Didn't see that coming. Nice way for Cleveland to help protect their investment in Anderson though. Edwards and Stallworth is a pretty nice combo.
I'm kind of glad too because the faster that the Stallworths, Javon Walkers and DJ Hacketts sign with other teams, the less time it gives the Eagles to grab one of them instead of making a solid effort for CJ, Roy or Fitz.
Yeah and the faster the price for any of those guys goes up.
Quote from: QB Eagles on March 01, 2008, 06:10:28 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on March 01, 2008, 05:16:50 PMI'm kind of glad too because the faster that the Stallworths, Javon Walkers and DJ Hacketts sign with other teams, the less time it gives the Eagles to grab one of them instead of making a solid effort for CJ, Roy or Fitz.
Well, that's one way of looking at it. Another way would be to say that the signings reduce the ability of the Lions, Bengals, or Cardinals to get a decent replacement for the big loss of their star WR and make it less likely for them to trade.
If all the second tier guys get signed, I guess you could say it slightly increases the chances of the Eagles FO going after an elite WR. But in addition to that, it greatly increases the chances of them not addressing the WR position at all, at least until the draft.
That's my fear as well.
berrian just signed with the vikings.
i bet this leads the eagles to drafting a WR in the 2nd or 3rd and claiming they have addressed the position as needed.
hopefully whoever they draft, be it WR, CB, or RB, can return punts.
I just hope that as these recievers go off the market, it makes the Eagles a little more desperate.
Well, the Berrian deal has likely shot down any interest the Eagles may have had at bringing in a WR via FA or by trade where he will need a new deal soon.
Bernard Berrian got 6/42 with something like 16M guaranteed.
Whatcha think receivers who are actually any good like Fitz, WIlliams and Moss will want?
Mortenson says the Eagles are the team to look out for in the Moss sweeptakes the EMB has a convulsion.
More on Moss and the Fitz rumor that just won't die:
QuoteWritten by Garry Cobb
Sunday, 02 March 2008
I think the Eagles are continuing to work on the Larry Fitzgerald deal, but while they're working on it, wide receivers are being signed. Donte Stallworth is no longer available because he just signed a deal with the Cleveland Browns,.
The Eagles must sign a top level wide receiver if they want to improve their offense. A quality wide out would make the guys they already have in place, much better. The Birds have to make a move within a few days or they're going to find themselves without a seat when the music stops.
The Fitzgerald deal is defintiely their first option. I don't know who the second option is but Randy Moss is on their some where. Javon Walker is on that list. Bryant Johnson is probably on there as well.
Remember that this is a game of musical chairs and nobody want to get caught standing when the music stops.
QuoteSix Teams Are Interested In Sheppard
Written by Garry Cobb
Saturday, 01 March 2008
Profootballtalk.com is reporting that there are six teams that have shown interest in acquiring the services of the Eagles backup left cornerback Lito Sheppard. Those teams are the Texans, Saints, Buccaneers, Browns, Rams and Jets.
Personally I'm suspicious of this report because a lot of times the source of the story winds up being the agent of the player. It's in the player and agent't interest to have a lot of teams interested in acquiring their services.
I also saw report about 10 teams being interested in former Packers and Broncos wide receiver Javon Walker. 10 teams doesn't sound like a true number.
Here's the story about Sheppard which was in Profootballtalk.com.
SEVERAL TEAMS INTERESTED IN SHEPPARD by Michael David Smith
It's only been 24 hours since the Philadelphia Eagles signed cornerback Asante Samuel, but they're already hearing from teams interested in trading for the cornerback Samuel replaced in the starting lineup.
A league source tells PFT that several teams are showing preliminary interest in trading for cornerback Lito Sheppard. Those teams include the Texans, Saints, Buccaneers, Browns, Rams and Jets.
A team can never have too many good cornerbacks, and the Eagles could choose to keep Sheppard, especially if they move right cornerback Sheldon Brown to safety. But given how much interest there is in Sheppard, it seems more likely that he'll be shipped elsewhere
Unfortunately, none of those teams are the Cardinals or Lions.
Send him to Houston for Andre Johnson.
Lito can even stay at my place for a night and I'll show him around.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 01, 2008, 10:57:14 PM
Send him to Houston for Andre Johnson.
Lito can even stay at my place for a night and I'll show him around.
Throw in Donovan McNabb and the Texans might bite on that trade!
to the Jets for Kerry Rhodes son
GCobb said among other things that the Eagles already have renegotiated Fitzgerald's deal, but are in a stalemate with the Cardinals over draft picks.
Quote from: Billy Beane on March 02, 2008, 02:59:14 PM
GCobb said among other things that the Eagles already have renegotiated Fitzgerald's deal, but are in a stalemate with the Cardinals over draft picks.
Jesus Christmas.
If this gets held up because they are so farging stupid, they can't give them the picks they want....I'll go apeshtein.
:boom :boom :boom
I just don't get it.
Get. It. Done. NOW.
Eckel had an article this morning that quoted a "source" that said the Cardinals asking price was absurd. He didn't go into details, but what would be absurd for a young stud WR? Three #1 picks?
Quote from: Butchers Bill on March 02, 2008, 03:11:53 PM
Eckel had an article this morning that quoted a "source" that said the Cardinals asking price was absurd. He didn't go into details, but what would be absurd for a young stud WR? Three #1 picks?
I don't know but anything over a combination of a 1st + 2nd and I'd pass. I figure the Cards have little interest in Lito since their corners are decent. His ridiculous contract is actually a good thing for the Eagles considering the Cards don't want to pay him $14 million +.
Fitzgerald is about to be TO/Moss in their primes. I'd give up both igy and sunmo, let alone a few draft picks that might or might not ever pan out into anything.
We already gave them rjs, and their price only went up.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on March 02, 2008, 03:03:48 PM
Quote from: Billy Beane on March 02, 2008, 02:59:14 PM
GCobb said among other things that the Eagles already have renegotiated Fitzgerald's deal, but are in a stalemate with the Cardinals over draft picks.
Jesus Christmas.
If this gets held up because they are so farging stupid, they can't give them the picks they want....I'll go apeshtein.
:boom :boom :boom
I just don't get it.
This.
Every day I wake up and check anywhere and everywhere to see if that trade was made yet.
Please. Let it happen.
QuotePOSTED 3:06 p.m. EST, March 2, 2008
EAGLES, 'SKINS OUT OF WALKER SWEEPSTAKES
A league source tells us that the Philadelphia Eagles and the Washington taterskins are no longer among the teams interested in acquiring the services of receiver Javon Walker.
There's a suspicion that Walker's agent is puffing in this regard, overstating to the media the interest in the player in an effort to create a market for him.
Walker was traded from the Packers to the Broncos in 2006, and was released recently in order to avoid a significant roster bonus.
Quote from: Butchers Bill on March 02, 2008, 03:11:53 PM
Eckel had an article this morning that quoted a "source" that said the Cardinals asking price was absurd. He didn't go into details, but what would be absurd for a young stud WR? Three #1 picks?
You gotta figure the Crudnals have been a lauging stock for soooo many years and now they are sitting in that big brand new stadium in the middle of the desert, about to lose one of their only two absolute stars because they put some ridiculous escalators in his contract that he easily achieved. They have to save face in front of their fan base or they might have to try and sell season tickets to Donovan's off season workouts to raise cash.
Good. Don't need table scraps left over from other teams' IR lists.
Quote from: FastFreddie on March 02, 2008, 04:40:00 PM
Good. Don't need table scraps left over from other teams' IR lists.
Yup, I was happy to see that.
Mortensen is still talking about the Eagles being very interested in Randy Moss.
Quote from: Billy Beane on March 02, 2008, 02:59:14 PM
GCobb said among other things that the Eagles already have renegotiated Fitzgerald's deal, but are in a stalemate with the Cardinals over draft picks.
This gives me a half-a-chub
They have a shteinload of draft picks this year. If they refuse to get Fitz because they want to hold onto the #1 pick so they can draft a goddamn OL it'll be a crime.
Its going to be another case of being so close but yet so far away....
Assuming GCobb is as plugged in as he wants everyone to think he is
I can't imagine cheering for Randy Moss. That said, I would really like the opportunity to give it a shot.
Farg it, get moss and fitz, with curtis holy crap we'd be the shtein. Come on Reid get it done damn it
Crack is whack, kids.
If the Eagles were to get Fitz in trade, then what would be the major need after that? I think that if they can get Fitz in here, that the stock went up enough to make them the front runners in the NFC.
Quote from: Kidd Dynamite on March 02, 2008, 07:31:05 PM
If the Eagles were to get Fitz in trade, then what would be the major need after that?
An offensive tackle, safety, or kick returner would be nice. I'm not sure who's still available but I wouldn't cry over the Eagles getting a good LB either.
I saw on a Pats board that WEEI in Boston is saying the Pats re-signed Moss to a 5yr 52M contract.
No word elsewhere yet.
QuoteNFL Network's Adam Schefter reports the Patriots are close to re-signing free agent Randy Moss.
Schefter says the Patriots have a "standing multi-year offer to make Moss one of the highest paid receivers in the NFL." Schefter is almost never wrong, but we keep hearing Moss and the Pats are close and wouldn't count out another team like the Rams, taterskins, or Eagles making a last minute run at him. Mar. 2 - 7:19 pm et
Quote from: FastFreddie on March 02, 2008, 06:43:53 PM
I can't imagine cheering for Randy Moss. That said, I would really like the opportunity to give it a shot.
I couldn't imagine myself cheering for Owens either. I got over it.
Quote from: Rome on March 02, 2008, 07:58:04 PM
Quote from: FastFreddie on March 02, 2008, 06:43:53 PM
I can't imagine cheering for Randy Moss. That said, I would really like the opportunity to give it a shot.
I couldn't imagine myself cheering for Owens either. I got over it.
For about a season... then we were reminded.
(http://johnlarroquetteproject.com/wordpress/wp-content/moss_01.jpg)
Remember how offended Joe Buck was?
It'd be great to see the Eagles pull a late minute deal outta their asses.
C'mon Lurie, you really wanted to buy the Pats and would blow Bob Kraft if you could...steal another one of his players.
Quote from: Kidd Dynamite on March 02, 2008, 07:31:05 PM
If the Eagles were to get Fitz in trade, then what would be the major need after that? I think that if they can get Fitz in here, that the stock went up enough to make them the front runners in the NFC.
i think offensively the team would be set, but then the one major need would be:
a KR/PR who can actually catch, advance the ball, or maybe even take one all the way
GCobb also apparently reported today that the Pats are interested in Greg Lewis.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 02, 2008, 08:02:44 PM
GCobb also apparently reported today that the Pats are interested in Greg Lewis.
Sounds like an even swap to me.
Is Greg Lewis a free agent? That's really good news.
i still cant get over how before the pats game belichek hyped up greg lewis and how he always hurts them (even though the eagles play them what once every few seasons) and then greg lewis actually did hurt them.
Quote from: FastFreddie on March 02, 2008, 08:07:08 PM
Is Greg Lewis a free agent? That's really good news.
Nope.
But they'll trade for him and we'll watch FastGreggie become a star before our eyes with Brady throwing to him.
Trade his ass.
If they can't use Lito to get Fitz or another WR, then use him and Lewis as a package (and #19) to get up to #7.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on March 02, 2008, 03:03:48 PM
Quote from: Billy Beane on March 02, 2008, 02:59:14 PM
GCobb said among other things that the Eagles already have renegotiated Fitzgerald's deal, but are in a stalemate with the Cardinals over draft picks.
Jesus Christmas.
If this gets held up because they are so farging stupid, they can't give them the picks they want....I'll go apeshtein.
:boom :boom :boom
I just don't get it.
Couldn't agree more. They REALLY need to get this shtein done. Quit farging around. Overpay somewhat if need be to get it done. JUST GET IT DONE!
Quote from: FastFreddie on March 02, 2008, 06:43:53 PM
I can't imagine cheering for Randy Moss. That said, I would really like the opportunity to give it a shot.
Haha! So true. I already did my share of cheering for him this past season as he was one of the studs that carried me to my FF championship this year.
Bottom line here is....they have GOT to get the Fitz deal done.
Forget Moss or anyone else. They have a chance to get Fitz here....there is NO excuse for not doing it. They have a deal that would make HIM happy, give AZ the farging picks and call it a day.
Fitz+Samuel+Clemons = fanfargingtastic offseason
And would make McNabb a VERY happy man....I would expect him to be back to his 2004 form.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on March 02, 2008, 09:31:14 PM
Bottom line here is....they have GOT to get the Fitz deal done.
Forget Moss or anyone else. They have a chance to get Fitz here....there is NO excuse for not doing it. They have a deal that would make HIM happy, give AZ the farging picks and call it a day.
Fitz+Samuel+Clemons = fanfargingtastic offseason
And would make McNabb a VERY happy man....I would expect him to be back to his 2004 form.
Couldn't agree more. The whole team should be back to 2004 form!
I'll excuse the Eagles FO if they don't get Fitz and he renegotiates with the Cardinals, because we'll never know what the Cardinals were asking for. They could be asking for Trent Cole and the Eagles' top two picks for all we know, and I'm not so sure I'd want the Eagles to give that up.
On the other hand, if another team swoops in and grabs Fitz for a reasonable trade, I'll go ballistic.
Quote from: QB Eagles on March 02, 2008, 10:26:25 PM
I'll excuse the Eagles FO if they don't get Fitz and he renegotiates with the Cardinals, because we'll never know what the Cardinals were asking for. They could be asking for Trent Cole and the Eagles' top two picks for all we know, and I'm not so sure I'd want the Eagles to give that up.
On the other hand, if another team swoops in and grabs Fitz for a reasonable trade, I'll go ballistic.
Well, we "know" Lito is part of the deal being proposed...that was the whole point. They need a Corner, the Eagles have a Pro-Bowl corner. Its a matter of picks.
This is why I don't understand that no rumors have surfaced about Roy Williams. He obviously would be easier to obtain than Fitzgerald, so if the Eagles are going hard after Fitzgerald, why not Roy?
If Arizona is being stubborn, start discussions elsewhere, meanwhile keeping the Arizona talks open.
Quote from: FastFreddie on March 02, 2008, 06:43:53 PM
I can't imagine cheering for Randy Moss. That said, I would really like the opportunity to give it a shot.
well put
Quote from: King Cole on March 02, 2008, 11:16:58 PM
This is why I don't understand that no rumors have surfaced about Roy Williams. He obviously would be easier to obtain than Fitzgerald, so if the Eagles are going hard after Fitzgerald, why not Roy?
If Arizona is being stubborn, start discussions elsewhere, meanwhile keeping the Arizona talks open.
Maybe because they already spent the time getting the contract details done for Fitz and that's who they want. They're known to target one person and let others go by the wayside. In fact, it seems (from what Mortensen says) that Moss' name has been brought up by the Eagles with interest, but never Roy Williams.
Apparently Eskin said on SF that theres no shot the Eagles get him because all teams calling ARZ are being told he's not getting dealt.
Also, the TATERs are going crazy because a report on a Chicago sports station said a Fitz deal could get done this week.
Didinger backs up what Eskin says....Fitzgerald and Ocho aren't available, but Williams is a possibility for getting dealt. He also thinks it's 50/50 at best that Spikes returns.
Suddenly I'm angry.
We pretty much knew 85 wasnt going to be traded. But the small glimmer of hope I had for getting Fitz is fading...
Why the farg would they bounce TKO? Stupid fargers.
AKEEM JORDAN!!!! no.
"They were really impressed with Jordan and thought the LBs as a whole were much faster." :boom
He also says the Eagles are better than they were on Thursday, but they still need a lot of help.
Forget Fitzgerald, go after Roy. Does anyone know why not ONE rumor has surfaced about Roy? Not just for the Eagles, but for any team? I find thayt strange considering how many rumors about the Lions possibly wanting to deal him back in january.
Beautiful.
You know, the way these chuckleheads think drive me crazy. Two positions that everyone (but Tom Heckert and Andy Reid) knows need to be solid are treated like a homeless person begging in the street. Everyone knows hes there, but hes ignored and people look away.
LB and WR have been and always will be disregarded here until this FO changes.
farging frustrating.
Akeem Jordan? AKEEEEEM FARGING JORDAN!!! His name translated into footballese means SPECIAL TEAMER.
Quote from: King Cole on March 02, 2008, 11:58:28 PM
Does anyone know why not ONE rumor has surfaced about Roy?
Yes. It is because the Lions have decided not to trade Roy, and there haven't been any talks with other teams about it.
Quote from: QB Eagles on March 03, 2008, 12:03:19 AM
Quote from: King Cole on March 02, 2008, 11:58:28 PM
Does anyone know why not ONE rumor has surfaced about Roy?
Yes. It is because the Lions have decided not to trade Roy, and there haven't been any talks with other teams about it.
Apparently Didinger said he thinks Roy is the only one of the big name WRS who will be traded.
I dont give a farg if it is Fitz or Roy - get one.
Quote from: QB Eagles on March 03, 2008, 12:03:19 AM
Quote from: King Cole on March 02, 2008, 11:58:28 PM
Does anyone know why not ONE rumor has surfaced about Roy?
Yes. It is because the Lions have decided not to trade Roy, and there haven't been any talks with other teams about it.
all indications are that Arizona isn't trading Fitzgerald either, but 100 rumors have surfaced with him already.
Anyone post this (http://www.nj.com/eagles/times/index.ssf?/base/sports-0/1204434336148950.xml&coll=5&thispage=2) from Sunday's Trenton Times?
QuoteConversations between the Eagles and the Arizona Cardinals re garding the availability of stud wide receiver Larry Fitzgerald were held, according to a league source, but the Cardinals' asking price for Fitzgerald "was absurd," according to the source.
I was under the impression that it was a done deal. Why do these EMB rumors never surface?
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 02, 2008, 11:50:00 PM
Apparently Eskin said on SF that theres no shot the Eagles get him because all teams calling ARZ are being told he's not getting dealt.
Also, the TATERs are going crazy because a report on a Chicago sports station said a Fitz deal could get done this week.
what is a TATER?
Quote from: Magical_Retard on March 03, 2008, 07:45:22 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 02, 2008, 11:50:00 PM
Apparently Eskin said on SF that theres no shot the Eagles get him because all teams calling ARZ are being told he's not getting dealt.
Also, the TATERs are going crazy because a report on a Chicago sports station said a Fitz deal could get done this week.
what is a TATER?
Seriously?
Talk
About
The
Eagles section on the EMB.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on March 03, 2008, 07:48:44 AM
Quote from: Magical_Retard on March 03, 2008, 07:45:22 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 02, 2008, 11:50:00 PM
Apparently Eskin said on SF that theres no shot the Eagles get him because all teams calling ARZ are being told he's not getting dealt.
Also, the TATERs are going crazy because a report on a Chicago sports station said a Fitz deal could get done this week.
what is a TATER?
Seriously?
Talk About The Eagles section on the EMB.
wow, never knew thats what TATE meant, i just thought it was slang for retards. I've never gone on the EMB, so im lucky.
Anyone think the Eagles just keep Lito if they can't get a sufficient draft pick for him? They hold the cards since he is signed through 2011. He could be our answer as KR/PR since we could put him back there since he isn't a starting corner. He would give great depth and probably the best 3rd CB in the league.
Also, he could then return punts too.
Quote from: Philly Crew on March 03, 2008, 09:31:36 AM
Anyone think the Eagles just keep Lito if they can't get a sufficient draft pick for him? They hold the cards since he is signed through 2011. He could be our answer as KR/PR since we could put him back there since he isn't a starting corner. He would give great depth and probably the best 3rd CB in the league.
In a way, I'd really be pissed if that's what ends up happening because it basically means that the biggest FA signing was basically to give this team a 3rd corner. Not to mention that I'm pretty certain Tito wouldn't take the demotion too well either. The Eagles would probably say something to the affect of "hey, you're the highest paid nickle back in the league."
Even after 3 days...I am still amazed that people would be pissed off to have 3 pro bowl caliber corners. Especially 1 year after everyone bitched about losing Rod Hood.
I see the Lions got CB Bodden in that swap for Rogers, you think that makes the Roy for Lito plus picks chances go down a little?
Quote from: Wingspan on March 03, 2008, 09:52:39 AM
Even after 3 days...I am still amazed that people would be pissed off to have 3 pro bowl caliber corners. Especially 1 year after everyone bitched about losing Rod Hood.
No one of intelligence or insight is pissed about it.
I'd rather keep Lito than trade him for very little value. But the best option, all factors considered, is to trade him for an exceptional player that needs a change of scenery. Preferably a WR.
Bungled by the Bungles. Dammit.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on March 03, 2008, 09:50:24 AM
Quote from: Philly Crew on March 03, 2008, 09:31:36 AM
Anyone think the Eagles just keep Lito if they can't get a sufficient draft pick for him? They hold the cards since he is signed through 2011. He could be our answer as KR/PR since we could put him back there since he isn't a starting corner. He would give great depth and probably the best 3rd CB in the league.
In a way, I'd really be pissed if that's what ends up happening because it basically means that the biggest FA signing was basically to give this team a 3rd corner. Not to mention that I'm pretty certain Tito wouldn't take the demotion too well either. The Eagles would probably say something to the affect of "hey, you're the highest paid nickle back in the league."
While not ideal, it wouldn't be the end of the world...because even though corner wasn't a need of WR proportions, it was certainly a need. Every time James and/or Hanson got on the field, it was like an adventure in hoping for the best. I'd love for them to be able to fill multiple needs via the Samuel signing...but if they can calm Lito down and get him to play, having three solid corners really isn't a bad thing.
QuoteEvery time James and/or Hanson got on the field, it was like an adventure in hoping for the best.
This.
Quote from: Templeton Peck on March 03, 2008, 07:51:23 AM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on March 03, 2008, 07:48:44 AM
Quote from: Magical_Retard on March 03, 2008, 07:45:22 AMwhat is a TATER?
Seriously?
Talk About The Eagles section on the EMB.
wow, never knew thats what TATE meant, i just thought it was slang for retards. I've never gone on the EMB, so im lucky.
it's on wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tater)
I disagree about Hanson. He's been a very good player. He's certainly an adequate nickel corner and would be a phenominal dime corner.
Still, the Eagles aren't so deep at CB that trading Lito for "whatever they can get" makes any sense.
Quote from: FastFreddie on March 03, 2008, 10:10:21 AM
I disagree about Hanson. He's been a very good player. He's certainly an adequate nickel corner and would be a phenominal dime corner.
Still, the Eagles aren't so deep at CB that trading Lito for "whatever they can get" makes any sense.
I pretty much agree with this 100%.
James is NOTHING like Hanson. James was supposed to compete for a starting job. Hanson is a solid nickel/dime and made some VERY good plays when in there. I thought he was pretty consistently solid all season when needed. No one wants to see him as a starter, but that's not what we're talking about here.
I don't think Lito will be here when the season starts but if he is I couldn't think of a better situation for the secondary to be in. If he doesn't pout like a flag and actually manages to stay healthy the Eagles would have the best secondary in the NFC by far.
As for Hanson, I don't have a problem with him specifically and he's certainly no Will Peterson, but the thought of him being a long term starter isn't acceptable to me at all, and that's exactly what would happen if one of the big three went down. I can't believe that would be acceptable to anyone, actually.
Quote from: Zanshin on March 03, 2008, 10:01:11 AM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on March 03, 2008, 09:50:24 AM
Quote from: Philly Crew on March 03, 2008, 09:31:36 AM
Anyone think the Eagles just keep Lito if they can't get a sufficient draft pick for him? They hold the cards since he is signed through 2011. He could be our answer as KR/PR since we could put him back there since he isn't a starting corner. He would give great depth and probably the best 3rd CB in the league.
In a way, I'd really be pissed if that's what ends up happening because it basically means that the biggest FA signing was basically to give this team a 3rd corner. Not to mention that I'm pretty certain Tito wouldn't take the demotion too well either. The Eagles would probably say something to the affect of "hey, you're the highest paid nickle back in the league."
While not ideal, it wouldn't be the end of the world...because even though corner wasn't a need of WR proportions, it was certainly a need. Every time James and/or Hanson got on the field, it was like an adventure in hoping for the best. I'd love for them to be able to fill multiple needs via the Samuel signing...but if they can calm Lito down and get him to play, having three solid corners really isn't a bad thing.
Don't get me wrong, Sheldon/Lito/Samuel as the corners is a farging wet dream of a nickle package. I just think that if that's what ends up happening, it lessens the impact of bringing in Samuel. Not to mention that it doesn't make Lito any happier about his situation. Granted, I think he's being rediculous but that's neither here nor there. The point is that the Eagles have an unhappy player on their hands who probably won't take a demotion all that well on top of everything.
QuoteQuote of the Week II
"I just want to be able to win and get back to the Super Bowl.''
--Philadelphia cornerback Asante Samuel, who got $20 million guaranteed in a six-year, $57 million contract with the Eagles on Friday.
If that's what was most important, then why didn't Samuel stay with New England? Does he, or his agents, really think the Eagles have a better shot to get back to the Super Bowl than the Patriots in the next two or three years?
"I just want to be able to win and get back to the Super Bowl.''
You know what I want? I want one of these guys, just once, to say, "You know, I do want to win, but facts are facts. The Patriots were only going to pay me $6 million a year. The Eagles went to $9.5M a year. Do I look that stupid to turn down all that money?'' But no. We have to hear this phony stuff about how players sign with lesser teams because they really want to win. Save us.
Peter King's at it again. His precious Patriots lose someone and he takes it as a personal affront.
:-D
Quote from: Zanshin on March 03, 2008, 10:01:11 AM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on March 03, 2008, 09:50:24 AM
Quote from: Philly Crew on March 03, 2008, 09:31:36 AM
Anyone think the Eagles just keep Lito if they can't get a sufficient draft pick for him? They hold the cards since he is signed through 2011. He could be our answer as KR/PR since we could put him back there since he isn't a starting corner. He would give great depth and probably the best 3rd CB in the league.
In a way, I'd really be pissed if that's what ends up happening because it basically means that the biggest FA signing was basically to give this team a 3rd corner. Not to mention that I'm pretty certain Tito wouldn't take the demotion too well either. The Eagles would probably say something to the affect of "hey, you're the highest paid nickle back in the league."
While not ideal, it wouldn't be the end of the world...because even though corner wasn't a need of WR proportions, it was certainly a need. Every time James and/or Hanson got on the field, it was like an adventure in hoping for the best. I'd love for them to be able to fill multiple needs via the Samuel signing...but if they can calm Lito down and get him to play, having three solid corners really isn't a bad thing.
I agree it won't be the end of the world as it would be an incredible set of CB's... but if Lito stays then the Eagles basically spent $57 mil to upgrade their nickel DB.
And I agree with FF that Hanson was far from a liability last season. He showed a lot of improvement from the season before... and I thought he was pretty damn solid as a nickel DB. Lito staying would be more insurance against him being a starter but again... they spent $57 mil for that.
Plus, he's hung like Huey Lewis.
Feva?
there's a 0% chance of lito being back with the eagles next season. i think you all realize that.
Quote from: Rome on March 03, 2008, 10:33:06 AM
Peter King's at it again. His precious Patriots lose someone and he takes it as a personal affront.
:-D
and again
QuotePOSTED 10:58 a.m. EST, March 3, 2008
LEAGUE WARNED TEAMS ABOUT TAMPERING
Peter King of SI.com reports in his Monday Morning Quarterback column that the league office issued a memo to all teams on January 31 reminding them not to engage in early discussions with free agents.
Said the memo, a copy of which was obtained by King: "You are specifically reminded that any contact -- direct or indirect -- by one club with players under contract to another club, about potential future employment, is not permitted. Such contacts could potentially interfere with the employer-employee relationship of the second club. Further, any public or private statement of interest, qualified or unqualified, in another club's player to the player's agent or representative, or to the news media, is a violation of the Anti-Tampering Policy.
"These rules are in effect at all times that a player remains under contract; the anticipated expiration of a player contract at the beginning of the upcoming League year (that is, a player's expectation that he will soon become a free agent) does not excuse impermissible contact prior to such contract expiration.''
But because the league doesn't investigate potential violations of this rule absent a complaint from one of the teams, there likely won't be any fallout from, for example, the strong possibility that the Dolphins had advance contact with 49ers guard Justin Smiley before signing him to a contract within 27 minutes after the free-agency period opened.
King also hints that the Eagles tampered with former Pats cornerback Asante Samuel, who signed with Philly on Friday. "[H]ow did I know the Eagles would be the leaders in the clubhouse for Asante, including details about the money in the deal, nine days ago?" King writes.
King's bottom line, with which we firmly agree: "We've got to stop pretending this doesn't exist, and the league has to stop selectively enforcing some rules and not others. If there's an anti-tampering rule, the NFL must enforce it the way it enforces other rules."
I'll bet he feels differently about cheating by videotaping signals.
There were rumors about tampering when the Eagles signed Kearse too. Not saying it's true but this is the 2nd time the Eagles have been mentioned in the same sentence as tampering.
At least 10-15 teams do it regularly, and I'm sure the Eagles are one of them.
Until the league really enforces the rules, you have to cheat to compete for the most in-demand UFA's.
Why did King take the opportunity to rip Samuel for doing what almost every free agent does to one extent or another? It couldn't have anything to do with his leaving the Patriots, now could it?
farging Boston hack.
It would be nice if he could join Sean Salisbury in the unemployment line.
His "coffeenerdness" tidbits are enough for him to deserve a painful death.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on March 03, 2008, 11:21:30 AM
There were rumors about tampering when the Eagles signed Kearse too. Not saying it's true but this is the 2nd time the Eagles have been mentioned in the same sentence as tampering.
I wish they would tamper with Arizona or Detriot or even N.E. again for a fargin WR
Quote from: pinoyboy2pt0 on March 03, 2008, 09:57:00 AM
I see the Lions got CB Bodden in that swap for Rogers, you think that makes the Roy for Lito plus picks chances go down a little?
it must, good point
Quote from: BigEd76 on March 03, 2008, 10:10:00 AM
it's on wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tater)
QuoteTATEr, nickname for gullible fans of the Philadelphia Eagles who post frequently in the Talk About the Eagles section of the Philadelphia Eagles Message Board, and will believe almost any rumor that is being discussed.
well said
Quote from: hunt on March 03, 2008, 11:07:19 AM
there's a 0% chance of lito being back with the eagles next season. i think you all realize that.
farg I hope so on both counts
Brookover has details of the contract
$6M signing bonus
2008 = $645K base + $500K workout bonus + $7M roster bonus
2009 = $1.9M base + $100K workout bonus + $7M roster bonus
2010 = $8.895M base + $100K workout bonus
2011 = $5.9M base + $100K workout bonus
2012 = $8.4M base + $100K workout bonus
2013 = $10.4M base + $100K workout bonus
This was posted somewhere a couple of days ago, Eddie.
he just came up from eating Hoyda...give him a break
I don't give a F anymore
after 2009 it's remarkable easy to cut him...
Nice. Dustin Fox should be ready to take over by then.
I'm not willing to accept that as truth until IGY weighs in.
Quote from: FastFreddie on March 06, 2008, 12:01:55 PM
I'm not willing to accept that as truth until IGY weighs in.
its true...it was posted a couple days ago
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 01, 2008, 11:14:43 AM
Yep, its been updated now.
So the fury about Spikes, by PFT and the EMB, can be put to rest now.
Good, because releasing him would be dumb.
:paranoid
ha
BigEd 1
PP54 0
:'(
FURY! FURIOUS!
Releasing Spikes was dumb.
interesting take from domo in todays daily news...
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Note to Eagles: Sheppard should remain with the flock
By Paul Domowitch
Philadelphia Daily News
JOE BANNER says the trade offers for Lito Sheppard have been pouring in since the Eagles signed Asante Samuel last week, and I have no reason to doubt him.
He says some of those trade offers have been "very significant" and I have no reason to doubt that, either.
That said, my unsolicited advice to Banner, coach Andy Reid and general manager Tom Heckert right now is this: Just say no.
Unless somebody with one of the first seven picks in the draft is offering to swap first-round spots with you in exchange for Sheppard, which is highly unlikely, tell everybody thanks but no thanks. Tell them you're going to hang on to Lito for now.
Yeah, I know Lito gets hurt a lot. And yeah, I know he's not happy with his contract. But I also know that when he's healthy, he's still one of the better cover guys in the league, not far behind Samuel.
He proved that once again last December when defensive coordinator Jim Johnson assigned him to shadow Cowboys wide receiver Terrell Owens. Sheppard held Owens to two catches for 37 yards and had an interception in the Eagles' 10-6 win.
I don't see the logic in adding Samuel and subtracting Sheppard. With both of them in midnight green, along with Sheldon Brown and underrated Joselio Hanson, the Eagles have as good a cornerback quartet as there is in the league.
Trade Sheppard and you've negated a significant portion of the impact of bringing in Samuel. Yeah, you've added a slightly bigger, slightly better, much more durable playmaking corner on the left side. But that still leaves you with Brown on the right side instead of in the slot, where he's always been more effective.
Brown is a tough, hard-working overachiever who hasn't missed a game in his career. But he hasn't played particularly well the last two seasons, particularly on the outside.
If they keep Sheppard, they can move him over to the right side and put Brown in the slot against three-wide-receiver sets. They also could use Brown as a quasi-safety in their base defense.
Some think Sheppard would be a distraction because of his unhappiness with his contract. They think he'd boycott the spring minicamps and hold out of training camp.
I don't think so. Why? Because of Brian Dawkins, that's why. The 2008 season probably is going to be Dawkins' NFL swan song. His last chance for a Super Bowl ring. Sheppard wouldn't dare do anything to jeopardize that for a man he respects as much as he does Dawkins.
Plus, after being hurt as much as Sheppard has been the last 3years, his best chance of getting a hefty new contract is to stay healthy in '08 and have another Pro Bowl season.
That was more interesting when it was my take last weekend.
The difference from what I said, I didn't put the Dawkins angle on it, but he would resolve the PR issue as well.
well its not like everyone hasnt thought of that possibility but domo is king and makes a much more eloquent case for it than any of us could
it's less eloquent when you figure he probably had a cheese fry in his beard when he typed it
is that like a dorito shard in rollie fingers mustache
Kind of, only yummier.
Keeping Lito would be fine, but at this point if they can use him to help get a #1 receiver they have to. Really if they don't get that for him, I would like to see them keep him. I have a feeling they end up trading him for a draft pick, since they perceive their drafting abilities to be so good.
Rumors persist that the Eagles are shopping Lito around due to his unhappiness with his contract (nothing new)
http://www.philly.com/inquirer/sports/20080309_Free_agency_poses_challenges_for_Eagles.html
Quote from: 4and26 on March 09, 2008, 02:35:04 PM
Rumors persist that the Eagles are shopping Lito around due to his unhappiness with his contract (nothing new)
http://www.philly.com/inquirer/sports/20080309_Free_agency_poses_challenges_for_Eagles.html
Shocking.
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on March 07, 2008, 11:33:56 AM
Keeping Lito would be fine, but at this point if they can use him to help get a #1 receiver they have to. Really if they don't get that for him, I would like to see them keep him. I have a feeling they end up trading him for a draft pick, since they perceive their drafting abilities to be so good.
Yep. If they trade him, it needs to be for a stud reciever who can come in and immediately make this team better.
If they don't trade him, then I'd like to see him as the RCB. Move Sheldon to safety in 2 WR formations and bring him up to cover the slot in 3 WR sets.
Under no circumstances what so ever, should this team trade him for draft picks or to move up in the draft. If they tade Lito for picks then it tells me that this team has absolutely no intentions of trying to win a SB with McNabb and that they are building for the Kolb era and that McNabb will likely be shown the door next year.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on March 09, 2008, 03:52:09 PM
Under no circumstances what so ever, should this team trade him for draft picks or to move up in the draft. If they tade Lito for picks then it tells me that this team has absolutely no intentions of trying to win a SB with McNabb and that they are building for the Kolb era and that McNabb will likely be shown the door next year.
Prediction: Lito for a 3rd round pick in 2009.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on March 09, 2008, 03:52:09 PM
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on March 07, 2008, 11:33:56 AM
Keeping Lito would be fine, but at this point if they can use him to help get a #1 receiver they have to. Really if they don't get that for him, I would like to see them keep him. I have a feeling they end up trading him for a draft pick, since they perceive their drafting abilities to be so good.
Yep. If they trade him, it needs to be for a stud reciever who can come in and immediately make this team better.
If they don't trade him, then I'd like to see him as the RCB. Move Sheldon to safety in 2 WR formations and bring him up to cover the slot in 3 WR sets.
Under no circumstances what so ever, should this team trade him for draft picks or to move up in the draft. If they tade Lito for picks then it tells me that this team has absolutely no intentions of trying to win a SB with McNabb and that they are building for the Kolb era and that McNabb will likely be shown the door next year.
What do you do with Dawk in 2 WR formations then? I'd rather see Reed or Mikell at SS unless it is a team like the Colts that pass alot out of 2 WR sets.
It would be ironic if, per Domo, Lito sucks it up a year to stay for Dawk but it is Dawk that is benched with this Samuel/Lito/ Brown backfield.
I don't see Brown supplanting Dawkins anyway though, providing Dawk shows up in good football shape this year.
Quote from: Eagaholic on March 10, 2008, 02:14:12 AM
What do you do with Dawk in 2 WR formations then?
Sheppard and Samuel at corner. Dawkins and Brown at safety.
I thought that part was a no brainer. ;)
A secondary without Sean Considine is not a complete secondary.
Hey, those tackles aren't going to miss themselves.
Quote from: EagleFeva on March 10, 2008, 08:07:50 AM
A secondary without a token white guy is not a complete secondary.