Any thoughts on who the Iggles will take with the first pick? A wideout perhaps?
Brian Brohm
i never thought it was possible to laugh, cry, throw up, and shtein at the same time...turns out i was wrong
Matt Ryan would be the ideal pick if we hadn't taken Kolb last year.
As of right now, don't really see anyone worth taking at #1 at a position we need (WR, DE, LB, DB). I'd just as soon trade down to #8-10, pick up some later round picks, and grab a guy like Chris Long or Dan Connor.
Connor is one of the most overrated prospects in a long time (as much as you can be at this point of the year...) I don't see a mid 1st rounder at all. 2nd round, sure.
If they somehow sucked so bad to get the #1 pick, DeSean Jackson with no hesitation. You'll figure if they are that bad, Reggie Brown probably wasn't that good so you keep Baskett and Avant for the big bodies and get a real speed guy.
How about a linebacker. Or a wide out.
Hey, can we draft a head coach?
Quote from: rjs246 on September 18, 2007, 05:01:31 PM
Brian Brohm
Brohm and Kolb at the same time! Can't defend it! DUAL WHITE BREAD QB OFFENSE!
Quote from: FastFreddie on September 18, 2007, 07:54:40 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on September 18, 2007, 05:01:31 PM
Brian Brohm
Brohm and Kolb at the same time! Can't defend it! DUAL WHITE BREAD QB OFFENSE!
need more White Lightning
Trade Westbrook to the Rams for Drew Bennett!
As long as they select someone from BYU, I'm happy.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on September 18, 2007, 08:07:58 PM
As long as they select someone from BYU, I'm happy.
They missed their chance with John Beck last year!
Still time to get Zac Collie back on the squad.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on September 18, 2007, 08:07:58 PM
As long as they select someone from BYU, I'm happy.
Probably a long snapper or a holder :yay :yay :fire :fire :fire :fire :fire
Totally forgot about Jackson. I'd love him if he comes out
Quote from: PhillyandBCEagles on September 19, 2007, 12:04:58 PM
Totally forgot about Jackson. I'd love him if he comes out of the closet
Quote from: Sgt PSN on September 19, 2007, 12:34:56 PM
Quote from: PhillyandBCEagles on September 19, 2007, 12:04:58 PM
Totally forgot about Jackson. I'd love him if he comes out of the closet
It goes without saying that your mind went there first. Thanks for the proof, sicko.
Are you people really discussing who this team is going to take in the draft after week 2?
Idiots.
Quote from: Die-Hard on September 19, 2007, 03:45:02 PM
Are you people really discussing who this team is going to take in the draft after week 2?
Idiots.
You've been at both losses and thus obviously are not cheering loudly enough.
Quote from: FastFreddie on September 19, 2007, 12:45:18 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on September 19, 2007, 12:34:56 PM
Quote from: PhillyandBCEagles on September 19, 2007, 12:04:58 PM
Totally forgot about Jackson. I'd love him if he comes out of the closet
It goes without saying that your mind went there first. Thanks for the proof, sicko.
I caught what I said and almost re-worded it but wanted to see what you iceholes would come up with
A linebacker, a safety or a d or o-lineman
no rookie WR is going to do shtein. we need a freakin vet stud WR if freakin Reid is still here
Quote from: FastFreddie on September 19, 2007, 03:48:22 PM
Quote from: Die-Hard on September 19, 2007, 03:45:02 PM
Are you people really discussing who this team is going to take in the draft after week 2?
Idiots.
You've been at both losses
Makes me the idiot, I guess.
I was watching College Football Live on ESPN today and apparently a 5'8 white RB from D2 Chadron State just set the all-time NCAA rushing yardage record.
Is there any doubt we draft this guy in April??
http://community.foxsports.com/blogs/Scottstradamus/2006/09/10/The_Best_Running_Back_You_Have_Never_Heard_Of
AIDS?
But is he a Mormon?
Does he also compete semi-professionally in a non-football extreme sport/ and or jump fences?
#12 after 6 weeks
Current top 5:
1) St. Louis
2) Miami
3) NY Jets
4) Atlanta
5) Cincinnati
So... we're gonna have to suffer through what looks to be a zesty year and won't even be able to get a top 10 pick out of it.
Kewl.
Quote from: EagleFeva on October 16, 2007, 07:49:26 AM
So... we're gonna have to suffer through what looks to be a zesty year and won't even be able to get a top 10 pick out of it.
Kewl.
6-10 in 2005 and they could only get the #14 pick.
At least Bunkley looks to be the best DT on the team now.
Yeah, I forgot to mention that it was like 2005 all over again.
can we trade for a GM? Someone who can draft more than 1 NFL player a draft?
After 7 weeks: #11 if Denver wins, #12 if Denver loses
Current top 5:
1) St. Louis
2) Miami
3) Atlanta
4) N.Y. Jets
5) New England (from SF)
Quote from: BigEd76 on October 21, 2007, 08:07:54 PM
5) New England (from SF)
It really just isn't fair. Motherfarger.
how about a safety that can play...Sean Considine flat out SUCKS. not only did he continuously get run over today, but he gave up the winning touchdown...
but wait, he's supposed to be better than Michael Lewis, farg off
Kenny Phillips, Miami
I was higher on Phillips before the season than I am now. He was the one guy I wanted out of that draft, but now I'm not so sure. We have much bigger needs. WR and DE being two of them.
I don't know where he'll go, but James Hardy out of Indiana is a stud.
DeSean Jackson solves the KR/PR problem too
Kenny Phillips needs to learn better angles. He lets some people go by him with his bad angles, which I guess is a common problem with people who think they can out run everyone. He also seemed to "give up" when the game was a little out of reach for the opponent. Like the Texas A&M game, he gave up a go route (bad angle + lazy?) and the RB actually got a TD, but the refs said he was out at the one and A&M kicked a FG instead. Texas could have made the game closer if that was a correct call, but... I watched a few U games, and even attended one and just watched him (well, and Campbell a little). Just kinda stands around if a guy is getting tackled, doesn't play to the whistle. Then again, he's young and you can teach him. Only problem I see with him, although it's hard to get a lot of Miami highlights.
That said, he's better than (from TATE) Sean "Jansport" Considine. Jansport bc he's a farging human backpack. Hahaha.
I don't know anything about DeSean expect he's a WR from Cal. I mean, what kind of player is he...I see his size, but, is he a Hoyda like Curtis or can he beat the jam or win a jump ball?
Desean Jackson is too inconsistent IMO to be a #1 WR in the NFL. I wouldn't take him. I like Hardy and Manningham more than him right now.
This team needs a true #1 like when we had TO. No more of those guys that are borderline #1s. Get a dominant playmaker.
I like Hardy because he is 6'7. I want a big target for McNabb that can jump and just snatch the ball out of the sky.
Punt return vs Oregon (http://youtube.com/watch?v=y-cZsfr_Jd4)
Punt return vs Tennessee (http://youtube.com/watch?v=DPXSzia2Zfg)
Punt return vs Arizona (http://youtube.com/watch?v=U7_5SFxyniY)
Punt return vs Arizona State (http://youtube.com/watch?v=xSHO4fqVyyg) (even though the announcer calls him Johnson)
He is an incredible return man, but to me he is more of a Ginn type, as he is a better return man than receiver.
I'd rather address them seperately and go out and get a stud playmaking receiver either through trade or draft. Just get one I don't care how.
I think if we wanted size, and drafting a TE, we would have gotten Leonard Pope. 6'8" 265. Although we did get a lot out of that draft and he went right behind Gocong. Then again 6'8" is a long ways away to grab the wormburners.
Although I like the idea of a tall WR that can just go up and get it like TO/Plax.
KingCole, what about Sweed?
WR or DB. Maybe LB although if we have a top 10 pick there's no one that I'm in love with that high.
Jackson is an absolute game changer on special teams....he can contribute on offense too but he's got the potential to be a Devin Hester caliber KR/PR. I don't see how you can pass up on a guy like that if you get the chance to take him. If we don't get Jackson, then I agree with Pinoy--get a tall-ass WR, either Sweed or Bowman from Oklahoma State. At DB hopefully we can get DeJuan Tribble from BC in the 2nd round....kid is a Lito Sheppard clone, minus the injuries (hasn't missed a single game at BC that I can remember).
Of course we all know we're going to trade down and end up taking some right tackle from Sam Houston State :boom :boom :boom :boom
Sweed is done for the year
Quote from: pinoyboy2pt0 on October 21, 2007, 11:45:41 PM
I think if we wanted size, and drafting a TE, we would have gotten Leonard Pope. 6'8" 265. Although we did get a lot out of that draft and he went right behind Gocong. Then again 6'8" is a long ways away to grab the wormburners.
Although I like the idea of a tall WR that can just go up and get it like TO/Plax.
KingCole, what about Sweed?
I don't claim to be a draft guru, but I always thought Sweed could've been better than he was.
I'm not a HUGE fan of that many receivers in this draft. If we wanted one, then last year was the time to get one. I just don't trust this team drafting any position besides offensive line, DB, and QB anymore. So while I think WR is our biggest need, I'm worried they'd find a way to mess it up. They haven't been good at picking them.
I don't know if anyone in this draft is going to be a sure #1 WR lock. That said, it is still early in the college season, so someone could emerge as that player by season's end.
I just hope we can make a trade for a receiver, but with this front office it will never happen. If Chad Johnson ever became available, then the first thing every fan in the delaware valley would say is we have no shot at getting him. Why? Why aren't they ever interested in the big names? Chad Johnson might be obnoxious sometimes, but he has never ripped a team apart like TO has. But you know this front office would NEVER welcome Chad Johnson on this team. They act like they've won something and their high standards are warranted.
Whatever, sorry for that rant that evolved from basic college receiver talk.
Quote from: BigEd76 on October 21, 2007, 11:55:52 PM
Sweed is done for the year
He should fit right in then
they need to get new coaches first, doesnt matter who they draft cause the current "brain trust" doesnt play rookies barely ever.
Down to #15 after 8 weeks
Current top 5:
1) St. Louis
2) Miami
3) NY Jets
4) Atlanta
5) New England (from SF)
Quote from: BigEd76 on October 30, 2007, 01:46:06 PM
Down to #15 after 8 weeks
Current top 5:
1) St. Louis
2) Miami
3) NY Jets
4) Atlanta
5) New England (from SF) Gold Standard
Back up to #12 after 9 weeks
Current top 5:
1) St. Louis
2) Miami
3) NY Jets
4) New England (from SF)
5) Cincinnati
aw yeah, i figure we win 2 more games the rest of the season, miami and buffalo
that should put us around around 5/6 overall.
which probably means OT Cherilus or Baker. And Cherilus has played like semi ass the past two games, so we'll go with him.
I don't know why everyone wants them to draft a WR.
Unless you can get a TO/Chad Johnson/stud #1 type guy in the FA market, then leave the WR's how they are. A rookie WR not named Calvin Johnson or Randy Moss isn't going to step into this offense and be effective his rookie year, and maybe not even his 2nd or 3rd year. It'd be pointless to waste a high draft pick on a WR this year when you have three young WR's (Brown, Avant, Baskett) that you like. And Avant/Baskett are pretty tall dudes.
They should be spending high draft picks this year on Safety, LB, or the DE. Spikes is steady but not getting any younger. Gocong has quietly had an okay season, but a true stud SAM would be nice. A true MLB would be nice too. Gaither's done pkay, but I think he's best suited for the WIL spot. Kearse and Howard are probably gone, leaving them with Cole and J. Thomas, and an unproven Abiramiri. Juqua will be 30 next year and he's not an every down player. THey need a true threat on the other side of Cole, though my gut tells me they're going to let Kearse play through next year too, since he'll be two years off the ACL and hopefully "back to his old self."The offense is okay and would be better if Reid balanced it out. You can't drop a QB coming off an ACL injury back 40 times a game...it's just not how you're going to win games.
I like Buck and I'm happy that he's overcome so much in his career in terms of injuries to come back and be semi-effective...But another RB that could compliment Westbrook a little better and do a better job at it would be good. I like Hunt's potential but I'm not sure he can hit the holes fast enough in the NFL.
Quote from: Munson on November 06, 2007, 03:14:04 AM
I don't know why everyone wants them to draft a WR.
that doesnt suprise me at all
desean jackson would be a great pick this year...he would add all kinds of speed and athleticism to the wr's corps...they need a guy that can get down field...would he be a stud in his rookie year...of course not....no wr's are....but hed automatically become one of the best return men in the nfl...something the eagles desperately lack...i think they are last in the nfl in kick returns...and in two or three years when hopefully the team will be on its way back up he will be ready to contribute big time in the offense
IMO, the goal of a top 10 pick is to get an athlete you couldn't get in the later rounds.
Jackson would fit that bill. The Penn State homer in me would love to see the Eagles grab Dan Connor, but he wouldn't improve the team as much as a burner on offense.
Quote from: Munson on November 06, 2007, 03:14:04 AMTHey need a true threat on the other side of Cole
Get Terrell Suggs and move Cole to LDE?
He would be a nice player to acquire, regardless of what they do with other guys.
1. This team will never acquire Terrell Suggs.
2. This team will never draft DeSean Jackson.
Racist!
Quote from: rjs246 on November 06, 2007, 10:40:41 AM
1. This team will never acquire Terrell Suggs.
2. This team will never draft DeSean Jackson.
One of these two things will definately happen, chiefbigguy. LOOK AT THE MATCHUPS!
At this point, to me, a play making safety/LB/DE is a bigger priority then WR. Whether it's a SS, or someone who can take over for Dawk in a few years, they need a safety. Mikell is good, but without someone great next to him, he's just going to be an average run of the mill safety. Considine has proven he can't wrap up a damn tackle. He gets around the ball a lot but the dude just has no tackling fundamentals and gets run over a lot because of it. He goes for the big hit, but he's too small to go up high on guys. He needs to start going for legs if he wants to be an effective tackler. That being said, I'd rather see him on Special Teams and in a back up/come in on some passing situations type of player, behind Mikell and Dawk/FS of the future.
Quote from: Munson on November 06, 2007, 02:44:52 PM
At this point, to me, a play making safety/LB/DE is a bigger priority then WR. Whether it's a SS, or someone who can take over for Dawk in a few years, they need a safety. Mikell is good, but without someone great next to him, he's just going to be an average run of the mill safety. Considine has proven he can't wrap up a damn tackle. He gets around the ball a lot but the dude just has no tackling fundamentals and gets run over a lot because of it. He goes for the big hit, but he's too small to go up high on guys. He needs to start going for legs if he wants to be an effective tackler. That being said, I'd rather see him on Special Teams and in a back up/come in on some passing situations type of player, behind Mikell and Dawk/FS of the future.
I'd rather see him selling insurance. Or playing for the taterskins.
Quote from: Munson on November 06, 2007, 02:44:52 PM
At this point, to me, a play making safety/LB/DE is a bigger priority then WR. Whether it's a SS, or someone who can take over for Dawk in a few years, they need a safety. Mikell is good
all things equal the front seven may be more of need...but in the next few years things arent gonna be equal because the eagles are gonna have cobb growing up in the nfl...and if they want to help him develop both mentally and physically they have to give him weapons...it would be a gigantic mistake to force that kid to have to throw to the wr's they have now...they need a true #1 to play along with cobb
also mikell is not good...hes not a nfl starter....hes the ike reese of safeties
he looks like Ronnie Lott next to Considine though
the goal posts are better defensively than considine
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 06, 2007, 03:01:35 PM
Quote from: Munson on November 06, 2007, 02:44:52 PM
At this point, to me, a play making safety/LB/DE is a bigger priority then WR. Whether it's a SS, or someone who can take over for Dawk in a few years, they need a safety. Mikell is good
all things equal the front seven may be more of need...but in the next few years things arent gonna be equal because the eagles are gonna have cobb growing up in the nfl...and if they want to help him develop both mentally and physically they have to give him weapons...it would be a gigantic mistake to force that kid to have to throw to the wr's they have now...they need a true #1 to play along with cobb
They did it to McNabb. If they're here... they'll do it to Kolb.
Its all about matchups and Andy being able to put players in better position to make plays. The notion that a #1 WR isn't needed is utterly retarded.
Quote from: EagleFeva on November 06, 2007, 03:18:04 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 06, 2007, 03:01:35 PM
Quote from: Munson on November 06, 2007, 02:44:52 PM
At this point, to me, a play making safety/LB/DE is a bigger priority then WR. Whether it's a SS, or someone who can take over for Dawk in a few years, they need a safety. Mikell is good
all things equal the front seven may be more of need...but in the next few years things arent gonna be equal because the eagles are gonna have cobb growing up in the nfl...and if they want to help him develop both mentally and physically they have to give him weapons...it would be a gigantic mistake to force that kid to have to throw to the wr's they have now...they need a true #1 to play along with cobb
They did it to McNabb. If they're here... they'll do it to Kolb.
i was just about to say this. especially if kolb is who reid believes he is. someone who is so good that reid needed to trade up to acquire him and someone who reid has been following for the past 4 seasons. there is no doubt in my mind that he will be surrounded by the same crap that mcnabb was for the majority of his career. only hope would be that he is better than mcnabb and overcomes the inaccuracy mcnabb has so somehow he might make these WRs produce more so.
either that or he is worse than mcnabb which would force reid to maybe think about getting a WR and running the ball more.
best case scenario...kolb is a great #2 behind mcnabb who stayes here for another 3-4 seasons under a new coach.
hed have to be almost tom brady accurate or be able to move like mcnabb used to in order for him to succeed with these wr's
You sound as if you don't know damn well that's what Reid will force him to be.
no matter how wrong i may be....i refuse to believe even andy reid could be that ignorant
edit- and actually even if andy remians a stubborn mule and even if the debacle of this year doesnt get reid fired that it will at least get lurie involved in making some changes in philosophy...
I think I figured out how this team can be successful under Reid. Assuming he stays and doesn't change, god forbid, here's what we gotta do.
Stock up on D.
So if there was some way in hell we could get Suggs and draft Phillips (who I'm not that high on, but replacing sean "backpack" considine...c'mon). Reid only runs the ball in 2 situations. If we're up anywhere from 10-25 pts or if the previous series we go pass pass pass punt. We usually run after that, maybe only for a few plays, but those are the situations when we run the ball. If we are leading by less than 10-25 pts, we pass. That's why when Dallas was up 14-7, I knew all we would do is pass the ball from then on out. and, as usual, the other team knew it.
so if we can keep the opposing team in negative points or hold them to where they are a good 3 touchdowns behind us, i think we're in good shape. we basically have to have the best defense in the league for us to win. i say that cause i don't see us going after chad or fitz and reid will always have a hard on for passing and will do it no matter what.
fa: suggs
draft 1st rd: phillips
draft 2nd rd: a cornerback
i'd LOVE to get dorsey. him and bunk would create some pressure up the middle, but since howard is basically a DT and patterson is...racking up tackles (statistically), our..well...our front 7 is just all kinds of farged up. we got bitch slapped by the boys and i want a dt that plays like his head is on fire like shaun rogers. that would make our zesty secondary better too. juqua/kearse-bunk-dorsey-cole then on passing downs kearse-howard-patterson-cole. that's tolerable.
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 06, 2007, 03:58:15 PM
no matter how wrong i may be....i refuse to believe even andy reid could be that ignorant
edit- and actually even if andy remians a stubborn mule and even if the debacle of this year doesnt get reid fired that it will at least get lurie involved in making some changes in philosophy...
As far as Lurie is concerned... AR is the winningest coach in Eagles history so he'll stay out of things. It'll take more than a year of zesty play before he'll even look Andy's way to place blame.
And as for Reid... remember that we're talking about a guy who it took 5 years to realize that the shtein he assembled at WR wasn't getting it done... and apparently still to this day hasn't really learned that lesson.
It's also the same man who despite last year, getting a better view than ANYONE at the fact that this offense (and consequently the defense) plays 10X's better with balanced playcalling that took advantage of Westbrook's talents on the ground... still refuses to run the ball with any consistency or in a critical situation.
It's also the guy who left this team without a farging punt returner entering this season... only to go back and get the guy who he cut in the first farging place.
It's also the guy who refused to scheme or assign help to a LT making his first NFL start against a Pro Bowl DE. Even though his franchise QB on a bad leg was getting killed because of it.
IGY, my man... Andy Reid is ignorant enough to think that Kevin Kolb can lead this team to the promised land with bland, average, pedestrian WR's.
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 06, 2007, 03:01:35 PM
Quote from: Munson on November 06, 2007, 02:44:52 PM
At this point, to me, a play making safety/LB/DE is a bigger priority then WR. Whether it's a SS, or someone who can take over for Dawk in a few years, they need a safety. Mikell is good
all things equal the front seven may be more of need...but in the next few years things arent gonna be equal because the eagles are gonna have cobb growing up in the nfl...and if they want to help him develop both mentally and physically they have to give him weapons...it would be a gigantic mistake to force that kid to have to throw to the wr's they have now...they need a true #1 to play along with cobb
also mikell is not good...hes not a nfl starter....hes the ike reese of safeties
I agree that if/when the Kolb era starts, they need to get him a weapon to help him develop.
However, I do not agree that they do this through the draft. THey've been below average at best in drafting WR's, and you're going to get a true #1 stud in the draft in THIS offense. They're best bet is to find a #1 stud WR that's already been developed into one by some other team. I wouldn't mind a Fitz/Brown/Curtis/Avant/Baskett WR core. Infact, that group has a good combo of size and speed.
Who's the top 3 LDE's?
Get one.
Kearse was the top free agent DE in 2004. That worked out great.
How about a RB to back up Westbrook?
He's not going to last forever, and there is no way that Buck should be back next year.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on November 06, 2007, 07:13:58 PM
Who's the top 3 LDE's?
Get one.
you know, i actually wouldn't mind miami's de, campbell. he's (i think) 6'8" 280. y'all might have a chance to watch him...espn 2 this saturday at 7:15. he's number 81 and kenny phillips, their ss is number 1.
Who are the top 3 LDEs?
or
Whose top 3 LDEs slipped through free agency without the Eagles bothering to sign them? Was it the Colts?
(Typos are normal. Learn some farging grammar you uneducated windbags.)
Draft or FA, it doesnt matter
i really like what ive seen of auburns quentin groves this year...hes been banged up with a foot injury of some kind and still has shown awesome explosiveness....problem is hes kind of a trent cole clone...and i dont know if you want dueling small guys at the end spots
It's ok, but only if they both are "high motor" guys.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on November 06, 2007, 10:46:45 PM
Draft or FA, it doesnt matter
Draft = Calais Campbell (Miami), Tommy Blake (TCU), Lawrence Jackson (USC), Chris Long (Virginia), Quentin Groves (Auburn)
FA = Terrell Suggs, Justin Smith
Next, cross off all the white guys.
Draft = Calais Campbell (Miami), Tommy Blake (TCU), Lawrence Jackson (USC), Chris Long (Virginia), Quentin Groves (Auburn)
FA = Terrell Suggs, Justin Smith
Thanks.
Draft Groves. Sign Suggs.
can anyone guesstimate on what and how many compensatory picks the team is gonna get in 08...i thought there was a site out there that kept track
Did anyone sign any Eagle free agents for big money?
Michael Lewis
Jeff Garcia
???
I think you'd be looking at about a 5th/6th rounder for each of them. Not sure, though.
hood
cheddar?
mmmm yummy
The Eagles lost Stallworth, Garcia, Lewis, Hood and Barber and only signed Curtis. It usually goes by contact amount, so they could end up with a few 4s or 5s. Also remember that they get an extra 5th for Fraley and a 7th for Parry, then lose their regular 7th to Buffalo for Spikes...
Ed is a champion!
hopefully theyve been in contact with all these for a long time
i don't follow college ball so who at the safety position is tops this year? we need a safety or two. future stud ala replace dawk and a guy who can compete with mikell at SS.
its hard to rate positions like safety this early cause no one has much of an idea of who the early entry guys are gonna be
here are kipers top 5
Safeties
1. Marcus Griffin, Texas
2. Josh Barrett, Arizona State
3. Craig Steltz, LSU
4. Jonathan Hefney, Tennessee
5. Matthew Harper, Oregon
ive seen texas lsu tenn and oregon several times each this year but ive only really watched griffin and hefney since i had heard of them before...ive been impressed with both...especially hefney
i have totally given up on this FO's plan of action on draft days. after being let down after almost every draft the past 7 years (although i have to admit i was jacked about bunkley and andrews made me a believer real quick) i refuse to get my hopes up "fantasizing" about this collection of knuckleheads taking a stud RB or WR in the first round.
I wonder if Phillips isn't in Kipers top 5 bc he's an underclassman.
that is why.....he doesnt rank underclassmen until they decalre
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 08, 2007, 01:57:05 PM
ive seen texas lsu tenn and oregon several times each this year but ive only really watched griffin and hefney since i had heard of them before...ive been impressed with both...especially hefney
I honestly think if Griffin wasn't a Griffin/Texas DB he'd be off everyone's radar. He's good, but not anything special.
Agreed about Hefney. He's awesome. It's a shame that he's so tiny because everyone will hold that against him, yet his size has no negative effects on how he plays.
im not going by what people have said about him i have actually watched him play...i like him...tho i agree hefney is better from what ive seen...which granted is not much
There's also Tom Zbikowski from Notre Dame. Should've declared for the draft last year...
Quote from: BigEd76 on November 08, 2007, 09:57:34 PM
There's also Tom Zbikowski from Notre Dame. Should've declared for the draft last year...
I liked him a lot, seemed to have good speed (I believe he caught up to Santonio Holmes in one of the games 2? years ago), and asked that ND guy from the eagles board and he said he's worse than Michael Lewis in coverage.
Quote from: pinoyboy2pt0 on November 08, 2007, 10:58:07 PM
Quote from: BigEd76 on November 08, 2007, 09:57:34 PM
There's also Tom Zbikowski from Notre Dame. Should've declared for the draft last year...
I liked him a lot, seemed to have good speed (I believe he caught up to Santonio Holmes in one of the games 2? years ago), and asked that ND guy from the eagles board and he said he's worse than Michael Lewis in coverage.
Zbikowski as a backup S and Punt returner in the 4th round is worth it, anything before that is a reach
Early mocks have the Eagles taking DeSean Jackson, Kenny Phillips, Calais Campbell or Keith Rivers (USC LB)
I hate Keith Rivers. Everyone has always said he's one of the best linebackers in the nation. No. He has 3 TFL this year. No FF. No FR. No interceptions. No sacks. farg that guy.
I'd be fine with everyone else. I really like Phillips and he is very well rounded, but he needs to make more plays in coverage. He's a good cover guy but doesn't have as many picks, PD or FF as you'd think.
They apparently need a cornerback that can cover the likes of James Thrash.
Today's win dropped the Eagles from #12 to at least #17. If San Diego and Seattle both lose, the Eagles drop to #19. How sad is the NFL?
today made the season and i praise allah for it...but from here on out you gotta lose every game....and you gotta lose to ne by 50 plus
i penciled the skins game as a loss, but...i'd say from here on out we only beat buffalo and miami. 6-10. all other games could/should be pretty solid losses.
W: mia, buf
L: ne, no, nyg, dallas, seahawks
6-10 last year picks were 7-9, but only 3 teams. if seattle loses tomorrow, there will be 10 4-5 teams.
buffalo you gotta list as a toss up....at that point in the season in an empty stadium anything can happen...it might be cobb vs hamdan
The Seahawks are completely capable of losing to the Eagles. They suck. They've only got four wins so far, and they're in a division where the other three teams are completely incompetent. Holmgren taught Reid everything he knows and it shows.
To balance it out though, I think the Bills could beat the Eagles and put Takeo on suicide watch.
Eagles will go 8-8. 9-7 if they're lucky, which they aren't.
Quote from: Dillen on November 11, 2007, 02:09:45 PM
I hate Keith Rivers. Everyone has always said he's one of the best linebackers in the nation. No. He has 3 TFL this year. No FF. No FR. No interceptions. No sacks. farg that guy.
I'd be fine with everyone else. I really like Phillips and he is very well rounded, but he needs to make more plays in coverage. He's a good cover guy but doesn't have as many picks, PD or FF as you'd think.
agreed on Rivers. I was so high on this guy at the start of the season. he's disapperared and hasn't done squat all year.
with that said, get:
JORDON DIZON
Colorado MLB
Butkus finalist
Hawaii boy - Waimea, Kauai (Mrs. Don Ho's alma mater)
only downer is Salisbury is really high on this kid.
Enough with the Hawaii shtein, douche bag. For every Troy Polamalu and Lofa Tatupu, there are 27 Reno Mahes and Nate Ilaoas. Shut up shut up shut up. No no no.
Pago Togafau's gonna kick your ass for that remark.
Get Rey Maualuga
Eagles drop from #17 to #18 with today's win (assuming Buffalo loses)
1 = Miami
2 = New England (from SF)
3 = St. Louis
4 = Oakland
5 = N.Y. Jets
6 = Cincinnati
7 = Atlanta
8 = New Orleans
9 = Baltimore
10 = Kansas City
gay.
i watched the u on saturday. not real impressed with campbell or phillips. phillips continues to take bad angles (one so bad he slipped when he had to re-route himself 45 degrees) and plays half ass. got beat twice on pass routes.
campbell reminds me darren howard to be honest. plays end on quarter defense. plays dt on passing downs. i keep on waiting for him to dominate, but maybe he just does everything well but doesn't stand out at anything? maybe a poor man's mario williams? either way, he doesn't seem the beast i thought he would be as people having him going as high as 7ish.
dorsey would be farging awesome, and i'm still convinced a lot of patterson's success (tackling stat wise) comes from gocong turning them inside. i mean, how many times do we see patterson raping the o line and blowing up shtein in the backfield and/or sacking/hurrying the qb? i say we probably end up with the 13thish pick. who to draft there? no idea.
Quote from: FastFreddie on November 12, 2007, 07:47:43 AM
Enough with the Hawaii shtein, douche bag. For every Troy Polamalu and Lofa Tatupu, there are 27 Reno Mahes and Nate Ilaoas. Shut up shut up shut up. No no no.
hey dip shtein, Polamalu is from California and Tatupu was raised in Massachusetts. Reno Mahe is from Oregon and Ilaoa although a graduate from UH, was raised in Virginia. Get your facts straight before you rip my ass.
desean jackson is listed as 6-0 172 lbs. good god, he's one less meal from being "pinkstonesqe".
Quote from: Don Ho on November 19, 2007, 04:17:12 AM
Quote from: FastFreddie on November 12, 2007, 07:47:43 AM
Enough with the Hawaii shtein, douche bag. For every Troy Polamalu and Lofa Tatupu, there are 27 Reno Mahes and Nate Ilaoas. Shut up shut up shut up. No no no.
hey dip shtein, Polamalu is from California and Tatupu was raised in Massachusetts. Reno Mahe is from Oregon and Ilaoa although a graduate from UH, was raised in Virginia. Get your facts straight before you rip my ass.
Right. They're not all of Hawaiian/Polynesian descent. IGY was raised in Philly. Are you saying he's not African?
Quote from: FastFreddie on November 19, 2007, 09:02:36 AM
Quote from: Don Ho on November 19, 2007, 04:17:12 AM
Quote from: FastFreddie on November 12, 2007, 07:47:43 AM
Enough with the Hawaii shtein, douche bag. For every Troy Polamalu and Lofa Tatupu, there are 27 Reno Mahes and Nate Ilaoas. Shut up shut up shut up. No no no.
hey dip shtein, Polamalu is from California and Tatupu was raised in Massachusetts. Reno Mahe is from Oregon and Ilaoa although a graduate from UH, was raised in Virginia. Get your facts straight before you rip my ass.
Right. They're not all of Hawaiian/Polynesian descent. IGY was raised in Philly. Are you saying he's not African?
ha! :-D :-D :-D
BC,
What's the word on Cherilus? How's he been playing?
He, along with Otah (Pittsburgh/absolute monster) and Clady (Boise/junior) have birds bound written all over them. Otah is just a freak at 6-6 340.
this is still a cool name though (http://navysports.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/kaheakuenhada_kaiponoa00.html)
Quote from: BigEd76 on November 19, 2007, 04:05:52 PM
this is still a cool name though (http://navysports.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/kaheakuenhada_kaiponoa00.html)
I could totally see his nickname being 'J.C.'
Quote from: BigEd76 on November 19, 2007, 04:05:52 PM
this is still a cool name though (http://navysports.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/kaheakuenhada_kaiponoa00.html)
freddie,
I had nothing to do with this post. Ed did it on his own. I am innocent. I swear to god.
Quote from: Don Ho on November 20, 2007, 04:21:43 AM
Quote from: BigEd76 on November 19, 2007, 04:05:52 PM
this is still a cool name though (http://navysports.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/kaheakuenhada_kaiponoa00.html)
freddie,
I had nothing to do with this post. Ed did it on his own. I am innocent. I swear to god.
Lies. I'm watching you, surfer boy.
Quote from: Don Ho on November 19, 2007, 03:32:54 PM
BC,
What's the word on Cherilus? How's he been playing?
He, along with Otah (Pittsburgh/absolute monster) and Clady (Boise/junior) have birds bound written all over them. Otah is just a freak at 6-6 340.
Cherilus has been having a rough year, to be honest. That said, a lot of that has to do with a positional switch (RT to LT) as well as a new blocking scheme (BC's new coach is an Alex Gibbs protege who has installed the zone blocking system Gibbs used in Denver--I'm excited about it, but some of the holdovers from the old staff including Cherilus are having a tough time adjusting). He was a certain top 10 pick at one point, probably will go around 20th by now. That said he projects as a RT in the pros and OL scouting is based more on the combine and Senior Bowl workouts than actual play anyway, so if the Eagles pick aroudn 15th I definitely wouldn't mind seeing him in green.
Another guy from BC that I absolutely love in the 2nd/3rd round is DeJuan Tribble....basically a Lito Sheppard clone except not as injury-prone (he actually is out with a knee thing right now, but it's the only major injury he's had in 5 years at BC).
Quote from: FastFreddie on November 20, 2007, 11:30:14 AM
Quote from: Don Ho on November 20, 2007, 04:21:43 AM
Quote from: BigEd76 on November 19, 2007, 04:05:52 PM
this is still a cool name though (http://navysports.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/kaheakuenhada_kaiponoa00.html)
freddie,
I had nothing to do with this post. Ed did it on his own. I am innocent. I swear to god.
Lies. I'm watching you, surfer boy.
ok, the free trip out here may have had something to with it. hey, i had to thank him in some small way for the maps the past few years.
Eagles stay at #18 but are now tied with Washington in every tiebreaker
Eagles jump from #18 to #15 with today's loss
Beautiful. Will the pageantry ever end?
yay?
Sweet mediocrity.
Quote from: BigEd76 on December 02, 2007, 10:49:33 PM
Eagles jump from #18 to #15 with today's loss
nice. if they can work on the playcalling a little more they might be able to work their way into a top 10
Quote from: BigEd76 on December 02, 2007, 10:49:33 PM
Eagles jump from #18 to #15 with today's loss
Giants and Cowboys the next two weeks should drop that number nicely.
eagles are one game out of the wild card
Giants and Cowboys the next two weeks should take care of that problem nicely.
tru dat
can't wait to see what offensive tackle they take
Quote from: SunMo on December 03, 2007, 10:45:49 AM
can't wait to see what offensive tackle they take
Hopefully, he's as good as Winston Justice!
Up to #12 after the 1:00 games. DeSean Jackson here we come
Say no to DeSean Jackson. He is not the answer to our WR problems, and you don't use a pick that high as a kick or punt returner.
We need an elite #1 , and Jackson isn't even close to that, and never will be. He is a decent WR and a great returner. We need much better than that at WR.
i do not know follow college football so i ask
is there that 1 WR prospect who could come right in and help?
because if not i would rather they go defense and draft a stud safety, LB, or DE.
Not really. Limas Sweed missed most of the season and Early Doucet is another small speed guy, and neither is expected to go in the top 20 anyway....
I don't claim to be a college football expert, but I do watch it a lot, and IMO there is no elite WR in this draft. If you guys want an elite WR I'm afraid a trade or free agency is your best bet. I certainly wouldn't go WR. Not in this draft.
If we hover around that 10-13 area all season then defense is going to be the way to go.
S
DE
WR
CB
Any of the above.
WR's now have ability to get open.
DE's consist of Cole, who's a beast and Thomas who's a good player. Other than that? Nothing.
Dawk played his ass off today, but is old. Considine is a farging bum and Mikell should be the SS for years to come. Get a safety in here.
Sheldon's tackling is poor, Lito is always hurt and still get beat. James and Hanson are slop.
Oh yeah, a TE worth a shtein
LJ - goodbye you bum.
I wouldn't be surprised at all if we draft Jacob Tamme. LJ single handedly farged up at least 2 plays today.
not sure about his blocking but, I want to say he's more athletic than LJ, 2 inches taller and 20 lb's lighter. and white. perfect for reid. ;)
I don't know enough about Vernon Gholston and I'm not really excited about wasting another high pick on a DE. I'd rather see them go after Suggs.
No superstar WRs....no 1st-round-caliber TEs...one questionable safety worthy of a #1 pick....argh this sucks
Quote from: BigEd76 on December 09, 2007, 05:38:56 PM
I don't know enough about Vernon Gholston and I'm not really excited about wasting another high pick on a DE. I'd rather see them go after Suggs.
No superstar WRs....no 1st-round-caliber TEs...one questionable safety worthy of a #1 pick....argh this sucks
How about Malcolm Jenkins as our nickel corner in 2008?
Kenny Phillips, Keith Rivers, and then Calais Campbell are possibilities too. Not a big Campbell fan though, and Kenny Phillips IMO is boom or bust.
I like Rivers and Jenkins though.
Quote from: BigEd76 on December 09, 2007, 04:45:13 PM
Not really. Limas Sweed missed most of the season and Early Doucet is another small speed guy, and neither is expected to go in the top 20 anyway....
I don't know enough about Vernon Gholston and I'm not really excited about wasting another high pick on a DE.
Doucet isn't a small speed guy. He's like 6'2" 205 and built. He plays exactly like Dwayne Bowe, except he's smaller.
Gholston is a farging beast. He's #1 on my wish list right now. Kearse and Howard need to go. That leaves Cole, Thomas and Abiamiri. Gholston has pretty much anything you'd want in a DE. He's similar to Cole.
Quote from: King Cole on December 09, 2007, 05:43:32 PM
I like Rivers
I farging hate Keith Rivers. He doesn't do shtein. I don't care if he has good size, speed or instincts for WLB. Where the plays at?
That's true about Rivers. I just like the idea of adding a young athletic linebacker to our young corps already. I think defensively DE is our #1 need, but assuming the majority of these DEs hit the market, it is going to be a great crop of free agent DEs. I'd rather address that in free agency. DE is too much of a need to risk another McDougle. We need proven production there badly.
The Eagles will trade down because they will assess their talent during the offseason and decide they are "close to turning this thing around".
With Denver beating KC, the Eagles need a Saints win vs Atlanta tomorrow night to stay at #12.
So I take it everyone is wishing for the Eagles to lose out?
Quote from: King Cole on December 09, 2007, 07:01:32 PM
So I take it everyone is wishing for the Eagles to lose out?
I'm still rooting for them to win, cause I think their chances of getting a good player at #10 are approximately the same as getting one at #15 or #20. Better talent is available at #10 but I have zero confidence that the Eagles would harvest it.
Wait wait...are the Eagles STILL only game out of the playoffs at 5-8? or did the final playoff team in the NFC achieve a 7-6 record yet?
Minnesota is 7-6
Quote from: BigEd76 on December 09, 2007, 07:55:40 PM
Minnesota is 7-6
Okay thank god. I wasn't going to beleive it was possible for them to lose a 3rd straight week and STILL only be one game out.
Quote from: King Cole on December 09, 2007, 07:01:32 PM
So I take it everyone is wishing for the Eagles to lose out?
Beat Dallas; lose out
After the 4pm games:
2 = New England (from SF)
3 = St. Louis
4 = NY Jets
5 = Atlanta
6 = Kansas City
7 = Oakland
8 = Baltimore
9 = Cincinnati
10 = Carolina
11 = Chicago
12 = EAGLES
13 = New Orleans
Atlanta, Baltimore and Carolina will likely select from the Brohm/Ryan/Woodson trio of QBs. Miami locks up the #1 pick with 1 more loss and will likely take Dorsey unless they trade down with someone that really wants McFadden (Oakland?). The Eagles won't take another DT, so Sedrick Ellis is out. St. Louis will take Dorsey or Chris Long. That leaves Jake Long and all the juniors that could declare (Campbell, Phillips, Jackson, Laurinaitis, Gholston, Clady, Jenkins) for the Eagles' pick...
Get someone that has the capability of changing the outcome of the game with the ball in his hands.
Quote from: FastFreddie on December 09, 2007, 08:49:12 PM
Get someone that has the capability of changing the outcome of the game with the ball in his hands.
Which lineman that they draft will be able to do that?
Some white guy. Probably someone that loves Joseph Smith as much as Tim Tebow loves Jesus.
Quote from: FastFreddie on December 09, 2007, 08:51:38 PM
Some white guy. Probably someone that loves Joseph Smith as much as Tim Tebow loves EE tits.
fixed
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 09, 2007, 07:59:15 PM
Quote from: King Cole on December 09, 2007, 07:01:32 PM
So I take it everyone is wishing for the Eagles to lose out?
Beat Dallas; lose out
I'm rooting for a lot of Dallas injuries, win/lose doesn't matter
i don't need a lot of them...just one, career ending to Tony Romo
Quote from: FastFreddie on December 09, 2007, 08:51:38 PM
Some white guy. Probably someone that loves Joseph Smith as much as Tim Tebow loves Jesus.
Shut your filthy whore mouth.
Tim Tebow is a MIRACLE CHILD. A MIRACLE, DAMN IT!
Quote from: FastFreddie on December 09, 2007, 08:49:12 PM
Get someone that has the capability of changing the outcome of the game with the ball in his hands.
Quote from: BigEd76 on October 21, 2007, 11:30:51 PM
Punt return vs Oregon (http://youtube.com/watch?v=y-cZsfr_Jd4)
Punt return vs Tennessee (http://youtube.com/watch?v=DPXSzia2Zfg)
Punt return vs Arizona (http://youtube.com/watch?v=U7_5SFxyniY)
Punt return vs Arizona State (http://youtube.com/watch?v=xSHO4fqVyyg) (even though the announcer calls him Johnson)
Punt return vs UCLA (http://youtube.com/watch?v=lo9e2Jf7R0o)
still applies
Here's some WR clips to add to the list:
diving catch vs Oregon (http://youtube.com/watch?v=SfChWdQJzA0)
TD vs Colorado State (http://youtube.com/watch?v=3ReH-2mHVaE)
TD vs Stanford (http://youtube.com/watch?v=5W01adK8yME)
TD vs Oregon (http://youtube.com/watch?v=tpaV2IxXQK0)
5-minute highlight package from August (http://youtube.com/watch?v=YPfEkWSEhcY)
Obviously not draft related, but personnel related;
SIGN BOB SANDERS!
The thought of that midget in an Eagles uniform brings a smile to my face. Having him at SS for 4-5 years would be great.
Wouldn't that be nice.
A Quarterback.
That was last year, Skippy. This is the year for a white RB.
if they love him and have him on their board as the far and away number one guy dont be shocked to see miami take mcfadden...the adrian peterson influence around the league is strong right now...plus ronnie brown coming off a bad knee injury
i think they eagles take long (if the end up much higher) or baker if they stay where they are or fall in the order.....if not a tackle then kenny phillips (which would make me happy)
love desean jackson. looks like pinkston but this dude has brass balls. i can just see the birds drafting him, we all get giddy and AR keeps the guy on the bench for most of the year. we all know rookies can't contribute. :boom
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 10, 2007, 07:54:39 AM
i think they eagles take long (if the end up much higher)
I was just going to post this (assume you're talking about the big white dude from UVA). Now I don't have to.
Quote from: Don Ho on December 10, 2007, 02:44:41 PM
love desean jackson. looks like pinkston but this dude has brass balls. i can just see the birds drafting him, we all get giddy and AR keeps the guy on the bench for most of the year. we all know rookies can't contribute. :boom
I consider this one of Reids "character issues". Banner should "deactivate" Reid and 1/16 of his check this week and see if he "gets it"
Quote from: rjs246 on December 10, 2007, 02:49:58 PM
I was just going to post this (assume you're talking about the big white dude from UVA). Now I don't have to.
Either that or the big white dude from Michigan, the OT.
I'd like Kenny Phillips a lot but I've seen a lot of his games and he doesn't really stand out as much as I've hoped. He's always been hyped at the beginning of the year but never really produces all that much.
Jake Long is badace
Always a crapshot. We need playmakers. If Jackson can be that on punt returns, maybe KR, then draft the bitch. Look at Hester, single handedly making the Bears wins. and if he doesn't turn into Reggie Brown (who, if he continues to play like this, BOY was I wrong) and turns into even a Greg Jennings type of wr, sweet.
Randy Brown was on DNL and was like, get rid of Herremans, all the wr's, all the te's. I thought show boat seems a nice fall back, but let LJ go, still up in the air about Celek. I like Curtis.
I think we need an offensive playmaker more than anything else. We can always draft OL guys later or sign an known commodity. Galley the can't miss prospect isn't exactly lighting the world on fire. BUT, I will say, if the staff KNOWS we can get a stud like the big kid, do it.
I can not envision a scenario where this team drafts a skill-position player in the first round. There are just too many glaring needs on defense and too much uncertainty with first round WRs.
I think that the only position I can honestly see them drafting is DE. It fits Andy's first round M.O., it is a glaring need and there is talent available at the position in the middle part of the first round.
I've been on the kick-returner bandwagon for several years, so Jackson sort of peaks my interest. The problem is that I was on that bandwagon simply because at the time I thought this team just needed a few pieces to the puzzle to make itself into a legit contender. I don't feel that way anymore. They need talent at too many positions to waste their first pick on a player who will only legitimately contribute for 5-6 plays per game.
What I'd like to see is for them to trade/sign/OVERPAY for a top flight WR like Fitzgerald. There's no reason to believe that will happen, but if it did, they would be free to draft for defensive talent and find a replacement for LJ Smith, which aside from finding a real WR, is the only immediate need that the offense has.
Quote from: ATV on December 10, 2007, 03:46:30 AM
A Quarterback.
Luckily the Racists have Todd Collins...
Quote from: rjs246 on December 12, 2007, 12:47:00 PM
They need talent at too many positions to waste their first pick on a player who will only legitimately contribute for 5-6 plays per game.
jackson is a WR...he can be a great return man as well but the kick returning aspect is not why you take him that high...what it does tho is possibly prevent him from being a complete bust if he doesnt pan out as a wr
lots can happen of course btwn now and the draft but if i had to predict what they do it would be a OT...i think they know justice cant play and what the hell is going to happen when tra and runyan leave or get hurt
speaking of the offensive line they need to give jean gillies every opportunity to unseat herremans....its time to realize the herremans at guard project has failed and they need to knwo if mjg can play in the league as well as herremans possibly being a replacement at OT
OL could be a possibility but from the team's perspective they have youth and flexibility there. Herremans has proven that he can play tackle. Justice is there and although he got dry humped against the Giants the talent is still there and they may give him a shot at the weak side. MJG is there to man the interior if necessary...
Anyway, I understand your line of thinking, but with so many defensive needs and so little defensive talent I think the OL players they have now will end up keeping the team from using their top pick there.
Quote from: rjs246 on December 12, 2007, 01:32:28 PM
OL could be a possibility but from the team's perspective they have youth and flexibility there. Herremans has proven that he can play tackle. Justice is there and although he got dry humped against the Giants the talent is still there and they may give him a shot at the weak side. MJG is there to man the interior if necessary...
Anyway, I understand your line of thinking, but with so many defensive needs and so little defensive talent I think the OL players they have now will end up keeping the team from using their top pick there.
not sure where i was when herremans proved he was an nfl caliber tackle...but ill believe you
im not even fully going by justices performance against the giants to determine he cant play...he looked really bad in training camp to me as well...of course the team knows way more about him than me having seen him day in and day out so hopefully im wrong but i dont see it in him
what you think the team thinks about the offensive line is what i think they think of the defense...i think they are fine with virtually the entire defense save safety...so i wouldnt expect as much attention towards that side of the ball as you might think...and to be honest on paper they have a point....the team has lost this year because they have scored less than 20 pts eight times...do i think the eagles need a influx of playmakers on defense....a resounding yes...do the eagles think that....not so sure
I seem to remember Herremans standing in for Tra and doing very well, but he's only been given a handful of opportunities so its far from a certainty. I haven't seen much of Justice since he was in college so I can't comment there.
I guess what I'm saying is that this team needs impact players on both sides of the field asap. And I don't think that they will find them for the offense in the draft.
All of this is moot, of course, because whoever they draft will suck enormous ass.
Two they should:
defense--safety
offense--OL
reality-they go neither position because they shock the hell out of us every year with their 1st pick
Quote from: rjs246 on December 12, 2007, 01:47:43 PM
I seem to remember Herremans standing in for Tra and doing very well, but he's only been given a handful of opportunities so its far from a certainty.
It was in the wonder year of Mike McMahon. I think Herremans started 3 games at LT and then broke his leg.
Not everything is stats, I was actually surprised our offensive point ranking is this high (although we are 25th in points if you completely remove the wtf game that was Detroit) and how bad our turnover D is currently.
Offense in 2004 Offense in 2007
Points/Game 24.1ppg (8th overall) 20.8ppg (18th overall)
Our offense 3rd down conversion rate is surprisingly higher this year. 15th (37%) in '04 vs 12th (42%) in '07
Part of the reason our 2nd overall defense (by points) in 2004 was bc our offense put up so many points, you forced the opposition to become one dimensional and pass the ball. So I kinda think our int's and sacks are a little inflated bc we made the opposing offense so one dimensional. But you are what you are, and you are what your record is. That said, our D is top 10 in points. So you have to give them some credit. Although I'm not sure how much credit to give them.
Our defense in '04 Our defense in '07
Ranking Amount Ranking Amount
Forced Fumbles 8 (29) 32 (9)
INT's 15 (17) 32 (7)
Sacks 2 (42) 9 (32)
Points 2 (16.2 ppg) 10 (20.2 ppg)
That's right. We are dead farging last in ff's and int's. We're top 10 in points, but we are dead farging last in turnovers. Jesus christ, watch NE play, stand a ball carrier up and punch the farging ball out you farging Hoydas. But are we only top 10 in points against bc our lineup this year has been, I think, the softest in years. We are bitch slapped (ironically NE aside) when we play a team with some real talent. Dallas shows us that. We don't know what to do when we play them. And when we are exposed, I feel that's our D that we truly have. Not the D that plays vs the Jets, Dolphins, taterskins, Bears, etc. We have trouble with Cooley/Witten/Plex. Sometimes they may not show up on the stat sheet, but that last skins game we double and triple teamed Cooley and others took advantage (i.e. James farging Thrash). But not only does this defense not rely on our offense, they also get on the field with absolutely horrible field position. Be it our special teams after we score or a punt after our offense punts.
But just think how much better our D could be (sacks, int's, points) if we could put a team away or force them to be one dimensional but just converting on offense. I'm not talking about throwing bombs or getting Randy Moss, but just imagine converting our red zone attempts or 10% more on 3rd downs. But seeing as how our offense can't score points, our defense has to handle the zesty field position and defend every possibility.
ah farg it, I give up. I think i just convinced myself to draft a DE and a DB in the first 2 rounds.
Although I am excited to see JJ play Gocong at DE (on some turf). JJ didn't make an announcement or anything, but he's been sliding him there ever since the NE game. Maybe we put him at DE and get a playmaker at LB. Briggs / Dansby...who knows. I wanted them to go after Rocky Benard a few years ago. Go after Haynesworth this year. I don't care if he's slighly retarded. Let Dawk set him straight, "Patriotize" him or whatever they do. Him and Bunk will set babies on fire. Let "Patterson" become a 3rd down pass "specialist". whomever/Haynesworth/Bunk/Cole. I guarantee you opposing offenses are ours for the a-b-s-o-l-u-t-e raping if we have that. That'll make Cole and our CB's even better. It'll never happen though.
David boston is only 29 years old.
Just sayin..
In human years maybe.
That's like 49 in steroid years though. His knees are more beat up than Wendell Davis'.
Quote from: rjs246 on December 12, 2007, 01:47:43 PM
I seem to remember Herremans standing in for Tra and doing very well,
So did Artis Hicks.
Eagles fall to #15 with today's win and will drop to #16 if Washington loses
Eagles drop to #18
If anyone cares:
-- There is no combination of wins and losses that will give the Eagles anything higher than #12 or lower than #19
-- If the Eagles win, the Vikings win (at DEN) and the taterskins win (vs DAL), the Eagles will pick #18
-- If the Eagles win and the taterskins, Vikings and Saints (at CHI) all lose, the Eagles will pick #19
-- If the Eagles win and the Vikings or Saints make the playoffs (taterskins loss + Vikings or Saints win), the Eagles will pick #18 or #19 depending on the uncommon opponents between Philly and Washington (Saints, Seahawks, Buccaneers, Cardinals)
-- To get #12, the Eagles need to lose and have all of the following teams finish 8-8:
Denver (at SD, vs MIN)
Arizona (vs STL)
New Orleans (at CHI)
Houston (vs JAX)
Detroit (at GB)
For each of these six games that doesn't go in the Eagles' favor, the Eagles will be eliminated from getting a spot between 12 and 17...
Nice work. I'm sure most people here do care. Doesn't look much like the Eagles will get up to #12 does it?
I say we're #17. I would say 18, I think we beat Buffalo and all those teams lose...but I'm just figuring one of those teams lose for us to be 17.
Updating the previous post:
-- If the taterskins and Vikings win, the Eagles will pick #18
-- If the Vikings lose, the Eagles will pick #19
-- If the taterskins lose, the Vikings win and the Cardinals win, the Eagles will pick #18
-- If the taterskins lose, the Vikings win and the Cardinals lose, the Eagles will pick #19
So who is the top rated OG?
He'll be an Eagle.
Minny is mounting a comeback and just tied it up with 2:21 left.
Skins are going to win easy. :puke
Not that it matters, but the Cardinals got it locked up also.
skins are unfortunately gonna be dangerous in the nfc playoffs
my life as i know it is pretty much over for the next two weeks
#19
hey easy (or anyone else that feels like figuring it out) where would the eagles have picked had they lost today
Only like a pick or two higher I think since a lot of other teams in that area lost today too...
with draft start time change and the first round down to 10 minutes per pick the eagles should make their first selection sometime around 7pm on apr 26th
Michael Griffin was picked at 19 in April. I would come all over myself if a guy like him was there for the Eagles this year.
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 30, 2007, 07:28:03 PM
hey easy (or anyone else that feels like figuring it out) where would the eagles have picked had they lost today
#15 if all of the other games had gone the same way
ouch
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on December 30, 2007, 08:09:11 PM
Michael Griffin was picked at 19 in April.
I was a heavy advocate of trading up for Reggie Nelson. He's got a sack, FF, 5 picks and 11 passes knocked down this year. Wouldn't have taken much...
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 30, 2007, 07:08:21 PM
skins are unfortunately gonna be dangerous in the nfc playoffs
my life as i know it is pretty much over for the next two weeks
The Seahawks are a pretty bad team, especially when they keep kidding themselves that Shaun Alexander can still play.
Still, the skins are not good at all. You'll see.
Quote from: BigEd76 on December 30, 2007, 08:11:09 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 30, 2007, 07:28:03 PM
hey easy (or anyone else that feels like figuring it out) where would the eagles have picked had they lost today
#15 if all of the other games had gone the same way
Damn.
DeSean Jackson playing on ESPN right now. Has a 40-yd TD
Is Air Force seriously going to beat Cal?
Players that are relevant to the Eagles playing today:
WR Greg Carr (FSU)
WR DeCody Fagg
DT Andre Fluellen
LB Geno Hayes*
RB Rafael Little (Kentucky)
TE Jacob Tamme
WR Keenan Burton
DE Quentin Groves (Auburn)
G Chris McDuffie (Clemson)
T Barry Richardson
WLB Nick Watkins
WLB/S Tramaine Billie
CB Mike Jenkins (USF)
CB Trae Williams
WR Cameron Colvin (Oregon)
Interesting fact I never knew:
QuoteEagles To Draft 19th ... The Eagles were one of four teams to finish the NFL season with an 8-8 record. The other four teams were Arizona, Houston and Minnesota. The first tiebreaker for the draft is whether or not any of the teams involved made the playoffs. Since none of the four did, then it comes down to strength of schedule. The team with the best strength of schedule drafts last out of the tiebreaker. Unfortunately for the Eagles, their .563 strength of schedule was the highest of the four teams.
QuoteEagles To Draft 19th ... The Eagles were one of four teams to finish the NFL season with an 8-8 record. The other four teams were Arizona, Houston and Minnesota. The first tiebreaker for the draft is whether or not any of the teams involved made the playoffs. Since none of the four did, then it comes down to strength of schedule. The team with the best strength of schedule drafts last out of the tiebreaker. Unfortunately for the Eagles, their .563 strength of schedule was the highest of the four teams.
I also never knew that Arizona, Houston, and Minnesota are four teams.
As of a couple weeks ago, the Eagles had the highest strength of schedule of any team in the league. I'm not sure if that held up or not.
it did (144-112, with Washington's 142-114 second)
SD, what wasn't previously known there? ???
nm
haha
Indiana is playing Oklahoma State at 6, I didn't know it is on TV but apparently it's on NFL Network. A lot of people are all over the nuts of Indiana's Tracy Porter, really good CB/Returner.
Adarius Bowman and James Hardy are also in that game
Quote from: BigEd76 on December 31, 2007, 05:44:36 PM
SD, what wasn't previously known there? ???
This part:
Quoteit comes down to strength of schedule. The team with the best strength of schedule drafts last out of the tiebreaker. Unfortunately for the Eagles, their .563 strength of schedule was the highest of the four teams.
A couple of sites updated their mocks today. Here's who they have the Eagles taking now:
Calais Campbell
Keith Rivers
Sam Baker (USC OT)
Malcolm Kelly (Oklahoma WR)
All of them have Kenny Phillips going #12 to Denver...
Quote from: BigEd76 on January 01, 2008, 11:19:39 PM
A couple of sites updated their mocks today. Here's who they have the Eagles taking now:
Calais Campbell
Keith Rivers
Sam Baker (USC OT)
Malcolm Kelly (Oklahoma WR)
All of them have Kenny Phillips going #12 to Denver...
Rivers - eehhh
Baker - good, much better than Justice so let's not get to freaked out about the USC OT connection
Campbell - could live with that, big dude
Kelly - will have to watch him in the Fiesta Bowl
Get Maleauga
unless he changes his mind he won't be in this year's draft
Take the best DB there. We need a young CB and safety to groom so badly. If all the good ones are gone then take the best offensive lineman. Especially if Runyan/Tra walk with Derrick Gunn's report. It would be a boring pick, but a smart one.
I don't want a receiver in this draft. I don't think any of them have superstar potential and that is what we need out there for #5.
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on January 02, 2008, 08:39:41 AM
Get Maleauga
omg, did you see him in the Rose Bowl? One man wrecking crew. Next Seau.
ESPN had a feature on Calais Campbell after he declared. Noted he did not have a very good junior year after teams started double teaming him. needs to be motivated. next please.
Today's Scouts Inc mock from Todd McShay has the Eagles taking Malcolm Kelly. He also thinks the Eagles went 9-7.
Nevermind - he does...
Quote19. Philadelphia Eagles
Record: 9-7
Biggest needs: OT, S, WR, LB, TE
Projected pick: Malcolm Kelly*, WR, Oklahoma
Current Eagles OTs Jon Runyan and William Thomas aren't getting any younger, so Jeffrey Otah (Pittsburgh) and Michael Oher (Mississippi) are possibilities here. However, the Eagles are still in search of a big-play threat at wide receiver and Kelly could finally be the answer. Unlike most big receivers, he's a smooth route-runner who knows how to separate from man-to-man coverage. Kelly also might have the strongest hands of any receiver in this year's class.
I'd love the Eagles to draft DeSean Jackson. An extremely speedy WR that can stretch the field and also excels in the return game.
Knowing the current regime and how they love to draft along the lines, my feeling is that they'll go DE/OL with that pick and draft a corner that can also return kicks in the 2nd/3rd/4th. I could see the birds bringing back Donte, making DE more of a need at pick 19.
^^^^^^
Sam Baker, Philadelphia Eagle
I just checked KFFL to see if they started putting up the "____ met with ___ at the Senior Bowl" stuff yet. I couldn't even find hot off the wire. That site has went wayyy down hill.
doesn't the NFL Network have all kinds of coverage from the Senior Bowl? not that it matters here as we are Time Warner Cable and..........................................
Yeah but it's more of them barely showing practices and talking about the "sleepers" of the draft known since August like Joe Flacco. As surprising as I find it, ESPN's coverage was actually better..
Flacco=future all pro 8)
:paranoid
kiper has his first mock out and has the birds taking chris williams from vandy
d jack to minnesota two picks before the eagles
interesting that he doesnt have kenny phillips going in the first round
Phillips is so incredibly overrated. I think he should be a late first, but he'll be picked high. I still wouldn't mind him at 19.
why would you take someone at 19 who is so incredibly overrated
Because he's not Chris Williams who shouldn't be picked until the middle of the second round at the earliest?
ge99 started his list of players the Eagles have shown interest in. He says the Eagles talked to Fred Davis (USC TE) at the Senior Bowl...
wtf is jerry jones doing at the senior bowl? that guy is such a tool.
he's their gm
i have no problem with the owner doing that provided he puts the proper amount of time into film study and going to things like the senior bowl and combine ect...
ive said it before ill say it again...outside of 14 year olds like munson or a straight up idiot like reese/cole pretty much anyone on this board could be a nfl gm...its not a difficult job its just unbelievably time comsuming...now that doesnt mean some gm's arent better than others and that some people dont have a better eye for talent than others but it doesnt take some sort of special skill set to be a sports gm
i mean what does someone like tom heckert have that you dont don...resources access and time....and thats it
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 23, 2008, 08:35:12 AM
i mean what does someone like tom heckert have that you dont don...resources access and time....and thats it
And his head shoved so far up andy reid's ass that he's incapable of using that time and resources.
Quoteive said it before ill say it again...outside of 14 year olds like munson or a straight up idiot like reese/cole pretty much anyone on this board could be a nfl gm...its not a difficult job its just unbelievably time comsuming...now that doesnt mean some gm's arent better than others and that some people dont have a better eye for talent than others but it doesnt take some sort of special skill set to be a sports gm
you have to really sit back and really reflect on what you say before you hit the post button down there cool guy. You sound so farging dumb sometimes its hysterical when you call other peoples intellect out. You only make yourself look more uneducated.
You have no farging idea what it takes to "execute" a GM's position, the daily objectives, strategic planning, the process of debating, making the right trade-offs, or what kind of dialogue takes place. For you to make such an outlandish comment...is well...typical
So please shut the farg up already with your know-it-all nonsense..its tiresome man
Quote from: reese125 on January 23, 2008, 10:18:01 AM
you have to really sit back and really reflect on what you say before you hit the post button down there cool guy. You sound so farging dumb sometimes its hysterical when you call other peoples intellect out. You only make yourself look more uneducated.
You have no farging idea what it takes to "execute" a GM's position, the daily objectives, strategic planning, the process of debating, making the right trade-offs, or what kind of dialogue takes place. For you to make such an outlandish comment...is well...typical
So please shut the farg up already with your know-it-all nonsense..its tiresome man
(http://www.philaflava.com/forum/images/smiles/owens.gif)
seriously, just use emoticons and pics moving forward- thats your best bet to communicate with the rest of us
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 23, 2008, 08:35:12 AM... pretty much anyone on this board could be a nfl gm...
Not me. Mainly because I judge players by how awesome their tackle-after-five-yard-gain celebration is, so I'd have a bunch of Dhanis, Trotters and Detmers on the Eagles.
yeah but i have the utmost faith in you to choose what is the best artichoke at trader joes
Man I hate that place. Seems the only food in my house is from Trader farging Joes. I ain't going to start doing the shopping--that's women's work--but I'm not going to stop bitching about eating all my meals from the same source, either.
farging artichokes.
1st. Jeff Otah
2nd. Fred Davis
3rd. Justin King
Thats where I'm at right now.
Fred Davis would be nice to have. I'd take Jacob Tamme, too, judging by what I read about him.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 22, 2008, 08:57:02 PM
why would you take someone at 19 who is so incredibly overrated
I hate this type of shtein. Because he's overrated must mean he's a terrible player right? I could come up with a long list of overrated players who are still some of the best.
Quote from: Diomedes on January 23, 2008, 12:08:16 PM
Fred Davis would be nice to have. I'd take Jacob Tamme, too, judging by what I read about him.
Dio you aren't allowed to be interested in possible draft picks. You said my brother and I are obsessive over it.
Quote from: Dillen on January 23, 2008, 12:08:49 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 22, 2008, 08:57:02 PM
why would you take someone at 19 who is so incredibly overrated
I hate this type of shtein. Because he's overrated must mean he's a terrible player right? I could come up with a long list of overrated players who are still some of the best.
im sorry if someone is "so incredibly overrated" im not taking him with my first pick...shtein if hes that overrated he might be there for your second pick...or trade back to the end of the first and take him
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 23, 2008, 08:35:12 AM
i mean what does someone like tom heckert have that you dont don...resources access and time....and thats it
well, according to my wife i have nothing but time. every time she walks into my office i'm on this site our something birds/phillies/sixers related. oh, and of course fantasy football related. won't even get into the other sites she busts me on.
Rainbow Warrior pr0n?
have you seen colt brennan in a thong? june jones in speedos? incredible!
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 23, 2008, 01:49:14 PM
im sorry if someone is "so incredibly overrated" im not taking him with my first pick...shtein if hes that overrated he might be there for your second pick...or trade back to the end of the first and take him
People talk about how he's Ed Reed in Sean Taylor's alive body and stupid shtein like that. They act as if Phillips has been a unanimous All American safety every year in his career. He's a very good player that is somehow expected to go top 10. If he was in last year's draft he'd probably be on Meriweather's level. 19 isn't exactly a reach, but it won't be like he'll come into the league and start making plays left and right. He's the best safety in a weak class. The Eagles need a safety badly so I wouldn't complain about the pick, although I'd prefer DaJaun Morgan in the 2nd round over Phillips in the 1st.
Quote from: Diomedes on January 23, 2008, 10:53:21 AM
I ain't going to start doing the shopping--that's women's work--
Oink!
Quote from: Dillen on January 23, 2008, 02:06:29 PM
People talk about how he's Ed Reed in Sean Taylor's alive body and stupid shtein like that.
Thats friggen' nuts. Ed Reed is one of, if not the best defensive player out there today. No way can you compare a college player who hasn't lined up for a single down in the NFL to Ed Reed. For my money, Sean Taylor never compared to Reed.
According to the guy that runs NFL Draft Countdown (who is reporting from the Senior Bowl), the Eagles have shown interest in Brennan. ???
Why the surprise? Hawaii throws 80% of the time. Brennan is already used to it.
I had discussed the unstoppable nature of the dual-QB offense with paco a couple of years ago, when the skins were looking into getting Brunell and Campbell on the field together. You just can't defend it!
Quote from: NGM on January 23, 2008, 12:35:27 PM
Quote from: Diomedes on January 23, 2008, 12:08:16 PM
Fred Davis would be nice to have. I'd take Jacob Tamme, too, judging by what I read about him.
Dio you aren't allowed to be interested in possible draft picks. You said my brother and I are obsessive over it.
You are kind of obsessed with it, to be honest. If anyone should be disallowed on the subject, it might be you.
Now, tell me what you think about the TEs I mentioned?
Quote from: FastFreddie on January 24, 2008, 11:35:28 AM
I had discussed the unstoppable nature of the dual-QB offense with paco a couple of years ago, when the skins were looking into getting Brunell and Campbell on the field together. You just can't defend it!
McNabb, Kolb, and Brennan on the field at the same time...UNSTOPPABLE!
Quote from: BigEd76 on January 24, 2008, 10:48:43 AM
According to the guy that runs NFL Draft Countdown (who is reporting from the Senior Bowl), the Eagles have shown interest in Brennan. ???
oh my god! even Don Ho is speechless. well considering Brennan will still be around late on day 2, what the hell.
Quote from: Don Ho on January 25, 2008, 04:30:07 AM
Quote from: BigEd76 on January 24, 2008, 10:48:43 AM
According to the guy that runs NFL Draft Countdown (who is reporting from the Senior Bowl), the Eagles have shown interest in Brennan. ???
oh my god! even Don Ho is speechless. well considering Brennan will still be around late on day 2, what the hell.
I some how doubt that. He to me is a similar prospect to Kolb, so it really wouldn't make any sense for the Eagles to draft him. So I guess it does.....make sense.
Brennan is a poor man's Kolb. That's saying something.
* The Eagles own the 19th overall pick in the April draft. They were one of four teams that finished at 8-8, along with Arizona, Minnesota and Houston. But they are selecting behind the other three because the Eagles' opponents had a higher winning percentage (.562). Eleven teams finished 8-8 or 7-9. If the Eagles had lost two more games, they'd be picking eighth rather than 19th.
who did a worse job winning the sixers in the second half of last season or the eagles in the last two games this year
Bah. Beating the Cowboys is always good, especially when it puts doubt into a previously-confident team and they put up an egg in the playoffs.
But, the win over Buffalo was totally unnecessary.
the cowboy game meant less than nothing to everyone who doesnt have an unhealthy obsession with dallas
id rather lose to dallas and have a top ten pick than beat them in meaningless game that no one will remember six months from now
You'll bitch about whomever the Eagles pick regardless. Why not save some money and pick at 19?
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 25, 2008, 08:33:28 AM
the cowboy game meant less than nothing to everyone who doesnt have an unhealthy obsession with dallas
id rather lose to dallas and have a top ten pick than beat them in meaningless game that no one will remember six months from now
Tell me you'd say the same thing about Washington... somehow I don't think you would.
How you can have that view about anyone in the division is beyond me. Personally, it's never acceptable to lose to Dallas... under any circumstances.
farg a draft pick.
i would root for the eagles to beat washington during the game but two days (much less two months) after it ended id be like why did they win that...plus everytime the skins beat the eagles i win money from shorebird
its unfathomable to me that anyone would rather win a meaningless december football game (against anyone) vs having a top ten pick
Quote from: FastFreddie on January 25, 2008, 08:35:08 AM
You'll bitch about whomever the Eagles pick regardless. Why not save some money and pick at 19?
not true...i liked the andrews and bunkley picks a lot
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 25, 2008, 09:00:36 AM
its unfathomable to me that anyone would rather win a meaningless december football game (against anyone) vs having a top ten pick
Well... I won't sit here and lie and say that it wouldn't be nice for the Eagles to be picking 11 spots earlier than they are now... but I know that when the games were goin on and they were "farging up" their draft position, I was loving every second of it. I just can't root for these guys to lose... against anyone no matter what's on the line for the game, let alone against a division opponent.
Eagles W's are worth losing draft position to me... even though it stings a little to know they could have been at #8.
Quote from: EagleFeva on January 25, 2008, 09:25:16 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 25, 2008, 09:00:36 AM
its unfathomable to me that anyone would rather win a meaningless december football game (against anyone) vs having a top ten pick
Well... I won't sit here and lie and say that it wouldn't be nice for the Eagles to be picking 11 spots earlier than they are now... but I know that when the games were goin on and they were "farging up" their draft position, I was loving every second of it. I just can't root for these guys to lose... against anyone no matter what's on the line for the game, let alone against a division opponent.
Eagles W's are worth losing draft position to me... even though it stings a little to know they could have been at #8.
Once it was obvious they had no chance at the playoffs, I was rooting for a loss every week, no matter the opponent. Increasing the odds that fat farg is fired sooner rather than later.
i agree with that to the extent that i root for them whenever they play...but loving every minute of it is pushing it...and the second the game ends i:
a) get pissed off that if they hadnt gagged the bear game they might be in the playoffs
b) they hurt their draft position
An Eagles win against the Cowboys, especially in Dallas, is worth eight draft slots.
The Bills win was retarded, though. They should have laid down like good little bitches and taken one for the team.
Literally.
I'm not so much pissed that they didn't throw the game, but rather I'm pissed that they didn't take the opportunity to see some of their younger players (esp. Kolb) in live NFL action. If you have to rebuild / reload, you need to know what you have in reserve already.
Just farging stupid.
Oh, and WTF was McNabb and Westbrook being on the field during meaningless games? I wouldn't even let them stand on the sidelines.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 25, 2008, 09:33:10 AM
i agree with that to the extent that i root for them whenever they play...but loving every minute of it is pushing it...and the second the game ends i:
a) get pissed off that if they hadnt gagged the bear game they might be in the playoffs
b) they hurt their draft position
Lets say the Eagles did make the playoffs at 9-7. Do you think they were good enough to make a legitimate run for the SB?
Obviously looking at it now with the way Dallas and Green Bay choked and the fact that the Giants (who the Eagles played close games against) ran the table. But do you really think the Eagles could have done the same?
Would a WC game be worth the lower draft position?
Yes, the Eagles could have easily done what the Giants did. I don't think they could have beaten the Pats, but who here on this board would say that they don't want the Eagles to go to the Super Bowl.
Quote from: Cerevant on January 25, 2008, 09:48:36 AM
I'm not so much pissed that they didn't throw the game, but rather I'm pissed that they didn't take the opportunity to see some of their younger players (esp. Kolb) in live NFL action. If you have to rebuild / reload, you need to know what you have in reserve already.
Just farging stupid.
Oh, and WTF was McNabb and Westbrook being on the field during meaningless games? I wouldn't even let them stand on the sidelines.
thats exactly why i root for them to win every game as its being played...because by wanting the team to do zesty you want individual players to look zesty...and thats a bad thing
the best part of the new orleans win was seeing bradley makes some plays and seeing mcnabb coming back around and giving you some hope for next year...cause of that i coudlnt disagree more on not wanting mcnabb to play...his injury required him to get as much play as possible and get back to 100% asap
Quote from: Sgt PSN on January 25, 2008, 09:51:59 AM
Lets say the Eagles did make the playoffs at 9-7. Do you think they were good enough to make a legitimate run for the SB?
Obviously looking at it now with the way Dallas and Green Bay choked and the fact that the Giants (who the Eagles played close games against) ran the table. But do you really think the Eagles could have done the same?
Would a WC game be worth the lower draft position?
playoffs always trump draft position...beating buffalo in a meaningless game doesnt
Oh well. C'est l'vie or something.
I'd be pissed if they lost out and took another offensive lineman, so now they won out, gained confidence.....and will take a worse offensive lineman... :-\
Can anyone show me anything, anywhere that shows picking higher in the first round leads to better success?
No.
Because it doesn't.
FO did a big study actually showing the opposite, over the last 15 years.
The top ten players are just as likely to be good or bad as the bottom ten players.
The only difference is that you owe them less garunteed money, and so you can cut them easier if they suck.
Picking higher means nothing. I know you all want to get excited about the draft, and position, and this fast dude over this over fast dude, but it doesn't really matter where you pick.
So the Eagles should win as many damn games as they can, especially over the goddamn cowboys you goddamn cowards. I can't believe some of you would willingly trade 3 slots in the goddamn draft to let the Cowboys and Jerry Jones win over our goddamn team. I would trade 9 goddamn McDoogles for another win in Cowboys stadium.
you do realize the higher you pick the more chance you get the player you want right?
FO did a big study actually showing the opposite, over the last 15 years.
link?
lol @ the cowboys obsession...would you trade 9 shawn andrews for a meaningless dallas win?...cause you do know that the eagles had to trade UP to get him
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 25, 2008, 12:10:16 PM
you do realize the higher you pick the more chance you get the player you want right?
FO did a big study actually showing the opposite, over the last 15 years.
link?
What I am saying is that getting the player that you want does not improve your team. B/C in the long run they are just as good/bad as the player that you want less, who you now owe less money.
I've posted that study like twice already, I'm not going back to look for it again. I am challenging somebody to show me show me something in the other direction.
Here's players picked after Andrews:
Vince Wilfork, Steven Jackson, Chris Snee, Julius Jones, Bob Sanders, Michael Boulware, Nick Hardwick, Bernard Berrian, Chris Cooley, Reggie Torbor, Nathan Vasher, Robert Geathers, Jared Allen, Michael Turner, D.J. Hackett, Patrick Crayton.
I don't want to get into an argument about who they needed or who they should have picked. What I am saying is that draft position is meaningless, especially by a few slots.
To lose that draft position by picking up a win over the Cowboys is losing nothing and gaining moral superiority over those fat arrongant Cowboys fans you see in every corner of the globe.
Maybe we should just thow a whole season so we can draft Robert Gallery? How's that sound?
Winning is never bad, don't make me bring back Ray Rhodes to prove my point.
so basically all youre saying is that its possible for a player to be better than a player thats picked ahead of him
I still don't understand why you mock our "obsession" with the Cowboys when your obsession with hating the taterskins borders on lunacy, bro.
Seriously...
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 25, 2008, 12:37:07 PM
so basically all youre saying is that its possible for a player to be better than a player thats picked ahead of him
I am saying that the uncertain possibility that the higher person is better is more than outwieghed by the definite reality of thier higher cost.
Do you really not understand, or are you just bored at work?
Wait, I think I just answered my own question..
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on January 25, 2008, 12:37:47 PM
I still don't understand why you mock our "obsession" with the Cowboys when your obsession with hating the taterskins borders on lunacy, bro.
Seriously...
negative chief
i hate taterskin fans not the team
and i dont nearly obsess with them
for example
i would much rather have a higher draft pick
than beat them in a meaningless game
im still perplexed that people
would rather beat the cowboys
than have a much better draft pick
thats not possible and i refuse to believe you could really feel that way
then again i dont understand the dallas thing either so...
Quote from: methdeez on January 25, 2008, 12:41:20 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 25, 2008, 12:37:07 PM
so basically all youre saying is that its possible for a player to be better than a player thats picked ahead of him
I am saying that the uncertain possibility that the higher person is better is more than outwieghed by the definite reality of thier higher cost.
Do you really not understand, or are you just bored at work?
Wait, I think I just answered my own question..
the difference in cost btwn the 9th and 19th pick is miniscule in terms of the entire salary cap...and if you are saying youd rather have the 19th pick than the first pick then youve lost it...frankly you sound a lot like joe banner would sound in a pre draft organizational meeting
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 25, 2008, 01:02:35 PM
Quote from: methdeez on January 25, 2008, 12:41:20 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 25, 2008, 12:37:07 PM
so basically all youre saying is that its possible for a player to be better than a player thats picked ahead of him
the difference in cost btwn the 9th and 19th pick is miniscule in terms of the entire salary cap...and if you are saying youd rather have the 19th pick than the first pick then youve lost it...frankly you sound a lot like joe banner would sound in a pre draft organizational meeting
The diference in cost isn't miniscule, it's like $10 million.
The diference in talent between Reggie Williams and Vernon Carey seems pretty miniscule to me.
Again, show me something that says otherwise.
I am just trying to inject some actual analysis into the usual sports/hype assumptions.
But I really don't want to talk about it anymore, You win the argument, like usual, by being willing to talk in circles longer than I care to listen.
Congrats. Next year once we decide we can't make the playoffs, or be effective enough in the playoffs to win the SB, like you suggest, let's purposefully lose all of the games so we can be $25 million in the hole to Johnathan Sullivan instead of $10 million in the hole to Calvin Pace.
I'm sure that will make you happy when throw the game to the Cowboys.
The diference in cost isn't miniscule, it's like $10 million.
over the length of the deal...again thats peanuts...the banner swirly lolipop has you in its grip...break away
i cant believe im debating the warrants of a higher draft pick
but if you wanna pick and choose specific instances ill take adrian peterson over jerome mcdougle
There's no certainty to the draft except the team picking #1 has their choice of any prospect they want. All the higher pick guarantees is a better chance at getting a player you're interested in. After the projected top 7 (Glenn Dorsey, Darren McFadden, Jake Long, Chris Long, Matt Ryan, Vernon Gholston, Sedrick Ellis), the players are all bunched together anyway...
Quote from: BigEd76 on January 25, 2008, 01:34:15 PM
There's no certainty to the draft except the team picking #1 has their choice of any prospect they want. All the higher pick guarantees is a better chance at getting a player you're interested in. After the projected top 7 (Glenn Dorsey, Darren McFadden, Jake Long, Chris Long, Matt Ryan, Vernon Gholston, Sedrick Ellis), the players are all bunched together anyway...
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 25, 2008, 12:10:16 PM
you do realize the higher you pick the more chance you get the player you want right?
i agree
For arguments sake, let's say there is a drop-off after pick 7.
Is it easier to trade up to get one of those players if you hold pick 8, or pick 19?
For the record, I am arguing both sides of this for my own enjoyment.
i think its funny how all these years the teams in the league with the worst records have been being given the worst picks
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 25, 2008, 02:13:12 PM
i think its funny how all these years the teams in the league with the worst records have been being given the worst picks
And look how quickly they improved themselves!
It's not like they continued to pick high year after year.
I hope Mike Jenkins falls to the Eagles at 19, but highly unlikely. He's the best db in the draft for anyone that knows college football. Much better than Talib, who is getting way overhyped. He is slower than Bobby Taylor.
Jenkins is a playmaker and that is what the team needs. Has speed too.
Bobby wasn't fast, but he could cover like a motherfarger.
Couldn't tackle a lick, but not many DBs like to get dirty anyways.
Quote from: King Cole on January 25, 2008, 08:32:35 PM...for anyone that knows college football....
this kind of rhetoric is hallmark icehole
there's a reason I avoid reading the shtein you post
Quote from: Diomedes on January 26, 2008, 12:07:21 AM
Quote from: King Cole on January 25, 2008, 08:32:35 PM...for anyone that knows college football....
this kind of rhetoric is hallmark icehole
there's a reason I avoid reading the shtein you post
ok
Quote from: Diomedes on January 26, 2008, 12:07:21 AM
Quote from: King Cole on January 25, 2008, 08:32:35 PM...for anyone that knows college football....
this kind of rhetoric is hallmark icehole
there's a reason I avoid reading the shtein you post
the difference is when i say it i really do know college football...cole/reese read about michael jenkins online sometime in the last 48 hrs and decided to post his intimate knowledge of the guy
icehole > dio > reese/cole
I watched USF play at least 7 times this year bib.
USF vs Auburn was a great game.
Quote from: King Cole on January 26, 2008, 05:51:35 PM
I watched USF play at least 7 times this year bib.
USF vs Auburn was a great game.
Ha. Defending yourself against IGY's comments with such fervor only proves his comments all the more.
Quick. Say something.
Something.
There are so many college teams that I find it hard to believe anyone can really know how any of the players would project into the NFL. It's a crap shoot past the top five.
Having said that, I don't know much about NCAA football past the Terps and the ACC.
Quote from: shorebird on January 27, 2008, 12:53:48 AM
There are so many college teams that I find it hard to believe anyone can really know how any of the players would project into the NFL. It's a crap shoot past the top five.
this is true even if you watch guys a lot theres a good chance you wont evaluate them correctly...but when you have the cole/reeses odf the world not watching at all and trying to evaluate its straight jokes...lol @ watching south florida "at least" seven times
hysterical u keep associating my name with Cole. You need a beat down brother
Oh my, ressey cup wants to beat igy's butt. The drama is too much. ::)
Really though, if we're not getting a reciever in free agency, is there any question that we take the best receiver on the board at 19? We need a playmaker to get this offense over the hump, same as every other year. I know DE and LB are needs, but I put WR way ahead of those positions right now. If the Eagles can build an offense that will put up over 20 pts. a game, the defense will look better anyway.
Quote from: shorebird on January 28, 2008, 06:03:54 AM
Really though, if we're not getting a reciever in free agency, is there any question that we take the best receiver on the board at 19? We need a playmaker to get this offense over the hump, same as every other year.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 25, 2008, 12:59:46 PM
im still perplexed that people
would rather beat the cowboys
than have a much better draft pick
thats not possible and i refuse to believe you could really feel that way
then again i dont understand the dallas thing either so...
If I remember correctly (and I could be wrong), but I don't think it wasn't the Dallas win by itself that dropped the Eagles to #19. Your link said that it would have taken 2 more losses to put the Eagles in the top 10 right? I thought the Dallas win was the difference between #15-17 and #19 or something like that (Ed can verify that... as he was tracking it) so it's not a "much better" pick.
Either way... to me, there's no such thing as a meaningless win over Dallas. Just how a game against the Skins takes on extra meaning for you. Even the win over Buffalo meant something to me personally because I grew up there, have a lot of friends and family who are Bills fans and since the Eagles won, I don't have to hear that shtein for the next 4 years. They all mean something to somebody, man.
Again... given the way this year has gone, sure... it would have been great to be in the top 10. But I'm not gonna be pissed over an Eagles win. Ever. At the very least, it allows me to walk into my barber shop without having to hear about how they got their asses whooped that week.
Has it really come down to this? Actually defending wins around here?
I would always want the Eagles to win. I can (and have) pontificate about how they 'should' lose out for a better draft pick, but the difference between 16 and 19 is minimal and if it means one more win for the team I root for, that's one more day that I'm happy about something inconsequential. And that's all I care about. The draft is fun to plan for and follow, but tanking a game to grab a slightly better spot in what amounts to a luck-of-the-draw scenario like the draft just isn't worth it.
Quote from: rjs246 on January 28, 2008, 09:28:06 AM
I would always want the Eagles to win. I can (and have) pontificate about how they 'should' lose out for a better draft pick, but the difference between 16 and 19 is minimal and if it means one more win for the team I root for, that's one more day that I'm happy about something inconsequential. And that's all I care about. The draft is fun to plan for and follow, but tanking a game to grab a slightly better spot in what amounts to a luck-of-the-draw scenario like the draft just isn't worth it.
IGY's point is that losing the Dallas AND Buffalo games would have pushed them up to pick 8 or 9, a significant difference.
I agree with you, though. As much as I try, I can't use logic to root for them to lose, especially against Dallas.
I can see cheering for a loss in some circumstances but not against the Cowboys.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on January 28, 2008, 09:35:25 AM
I can see cheering for a loss in some circumstances but not against the Cowboys or skins, and not against the Giants unless it would directly hurt the Cowboys or skins after the Eagles are already eliminated.
That's my rule.
Quote from: rjs246 on January 28, 2008, 09:28:06 AM
I would always want the Eagles to win. I can (and have) pontificate about how they 'should' lose out for a better draft pick, but the difference between 16 and 19 is minimal and if it means one more win for the team I root for, that's one more day that I'm happy about something inconsequential. And that's all I care about. The draft is fun to plan for and follow, but tanking a game to grab a slightly better spot in what amounts to a luck-of-the-draw scenario like the draft just isn't worth it.
Oh yeah, we've all
thought about how it'd be good for them to lose to improve draft position... and probably have used draft position to help make us feel better about a loss... but I've never gotten to the point to getting upset or bothered by the fact that they won.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on January 28, 2008, 09:35:25 AM
I can see cheering for a loss in some circumstances but not against the Cowboys.
What circumstances?
I can (and have) used outside circumstances to try to ease the frustration of seeing them lose... but I can never outright hope they lose.
I wanted them to lose the final games of 1998. If they had won one of the final three, they'd have been picking 4th and taking Akili Smith. Another win would have dropped them to 6th or 7th...
Quote from: BigEd76 on January 28, 2008, 09:46:08 AM
I wanted them to lose the final games of 1998. If they had won one of the final three, they'd have been picking 4th and taking Akili Smith. Another win would have dropped them to 6th or 7th...
A good example here.
And like FF posted, if their losing somehow hurts a division rival, I can get with that too.
Quote from: EagleFeva on January 28, 2008, 09:38:54 AM
Quote from: rjs246 on January 28, 2008, 09:28:06 AM
I would always want the Eagles to win. I can (and have) pontificate about how they 'should' lose out for a better draft pick, but the difference between 16 and 19 is minimal and if it means one more win for the team I root for, that's one more day that I'm happy about something inconsequential. And that's all I care about. The draft is fun to plan for and follow, but tanking a game to grab a slightly better spot in what amounts to a luck-of-the-draw scenario like the draft just isn't worth it.
Oh yeah, we've all thought about how it'd be good for them to lose to improve draft position... and probably have used draft position to help make us feel better about a loss... but I've never gotten to the point to getting upset or bothered by the fact that they won.
Clearly, IGY is an angrier black man than are you.
i think people are confusing rooting for them to win while the game is going on and if they lose then thats good to because it helps the draft pick...and still saying months later they are glad they beat buffalo and dallas
no eagle fan is watching the game and cheering when new orleans dallas or buffalo made a good play against the eagles
and youre insane romey to say youd want them to lose to some teams but not dallas...wtf?...if it helps the eagles it helps the eagles...at least feva would never under any circumstances want then to lose...you cant pick and choose here
Nah, I get you IGY... I know you're not pissed as Westbrook runs in a TD or anything. It's more along the lines of later on... you're thinking, "What did it really accomplish?"
I've got no prob with that... I just figure we'll get to next year and offseason when we get there... and the Eagles will pick where they pick.
My thought on the whole thing is that unless you play yourself out of a top 7 or 8 draft pick then I don't think it hurts a team all that much by winning and game or 2 late in the season. So unless you're legitimately looking at one of the top spots in the draft then you might as well play the season out and try and finish strong.
Look at it like this. 2 of the Eagles final 3 wins came against a team fighting to get into the playoffs (Saints) and a team that was trying to lock up HFA (Pukes). So the Eagles beat these teams when they had something to play for. It's not like NO and Dal both just rolled over because they had nothing to play for. They went up against and beat 2 good teams that were fighting for something.
Even in a season as inconsistant as this one was, that 3 game winning streak meant a lot to the players. It showed them that when the team is healthy they can play with anyone. They got a little confidence heading into the offseason and I'd much rather them go into the offseason with confidence instead of doubt.
Players don't give a shtein about a higher draft pick.
You want a player to play like shtein, to lose a game, to get a higher pick... so that pick could be their replacement?
Not ever gonna happen.
The more time goes on, the less importance I put on draft position. Outside of the top 5 or so picks I just don't think it matters that much where you pick. I'm sure there's a legit argument against that reasoning, but watching teams like the raiders and cardinals pick in the top 10 year after year after year has convinced me that 'building through the draft' doesn't have to include premium draft position. As such, I would rather the Eagles just win. Even in hindsight.
Quote from: Wingspan on January 28, 2008, 10:39:01 AM
Players don't give a shtein about a higher draft pick.
You want a player to play like shtein, to lose a game, to get a higher pick... so that pick could be their replacement?
Not ever gonna happen.
lol
no one is saying anything like that...we are simply talking about the end result of those games if a win is better than a loss in a certain scenario
and sarge nothing that happened in 2007 means a thing in 2008...especially in todays free agency ridden nfl...add in injuries and parity in general and no game meant anything last year much less late season games when the eagles were out of it
my thing with draft slot is lets say you really want deshean jackson (just an example dont tell me how the eagles wont pick a wr that high)...theres a good chance he goes right before the eagles now as opposed to the eagles being able to get him at say 15...much less if they were in the top ten...that to me is more important than some stupid late season win that no one will remember or care about in april
they should've missed the playoffs last year, then Brandon Meriweather would've been an Eagle, damnit
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 28, 2008, 10:51:06 AM
and sarge nothing that happened in 2007 means a thing in 2008...especially in todays free agency ridden nfl...add in injuries and parity in general and no game meant anything last year much less late season games when the eagles were out of it
So you don't think that McNabb didn't benefit from not only playing well, but winning a few games to close out the season?
You don't think that Reggie Brown playing well for the 2nd half of the season meant anything?
Winning 3 games isn't going to propell them to greatness next year. But it's a lot better than going through the offseason with a 3 or 4 or 5+ game losing streak.
i think mcnabb benefitted from playing period not necessarily from playing well...im not suggesting they should have benched him....but i would have sat some others like westbrook...if not for full games then for large parts of them...get people like tony hunt some real run...i would have had a bunch of back up lineman in there as much as possible too...
reggie brown is who he is...what he did in the second half of the season is meaningless in terms of 2008...he had a very good 2006 year and how did that translate to 2007?
i think young guys and guys who have not had much playing time can benefit from playing but i dont see how the 2008 team benefits from the 2007 team winning those games
every year is its own entity in the nfl
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 28, 2008, 11:15:26 AM
i think young guys and guys who have not had much playing time can benefit from playing but i dont see how the 2008 team benefits from the 2007 team winning those games
every year is its own entity in the nfl
I actually disagree with that in some ways. There is no literal correlation between one year and the next, but winning begets winning. Fostering an environment where the team's top priority is winning, even when the wins mean nothing, is a good thing in my opinion.
its not like the eagles are the cardinals tho...they won a playoff game 12 months ago
Quote from: rjs246 on January 28, 2008, 11:20:53 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 28, 2008, 11:15:26 AM
i think young guys and guys who have not had much playing time can benefit from playing but i dont see how the 2008 team benefits from the 2007 team winning those games
every year is its own entity in the nfl
I actually disagree with that in some ways. There is no literal correlation between one year and the next, but winning begets winning. Fostering an environment where the team's top priority is winning, even when the wins mean nothing, is a good thing in my opinion.
Exactly.
Now, had the Eagles decided to run their young guys out there for the last couple of games then I might have been ok with that because it's a good chance to evaluate talent in real game scenerios. But I'm not a big fan of doing that unless your team is in a no shtein rebuilding mode. And the Eagles simply aren't at that level yet.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 28, 2008, 11:23:38 AM
its not like the eagles are the cardinals tho...they won a playoff game 12 months ago
What are you saying? That something that happened in a previous season isn't just relevant to that season?
im saying the eagles won the division in 2006 and finished last in the division in 2007
im sayin teams that make the superbowl often dont make the playoffs the following year
and teams with good players and not a lot of injuries usually win no matter what they did the previous year
And I'm saying that it's good for players to go into the offseason on a high note and having a little something to feel good about when there wasn't much to feel good about in the first place.
i think for a college basketball team filled with freshman and sophomores that might hold weight
but i find it hard to believe that beating buffalo this year meant something when winning the division and a playoff game meant nothing the year before
Is an 8-8 or a 5-11 team more attractive to potential free agents?
Ask Edgerrin James
Okay, how about potential free agents without scrambled eggs for brains?
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on January 28, 2008, 11:40:15 AM
Is an 8-8 or a 5-11 team more attractive to potential free agents?
most ridiculous thing youve ever posted
Reggie White chose the non-playoff 9-7 Packers over the wildcard-winning 9-7 taterskins, the division champ 11-5 Dolphins and the Super Bowl-winning 13-3 Cowboys. FA is all about money and nothing more...
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 28, 2008, 11:50:20 AM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on January 28, 2008, 11:40:15 AM
Is an 8-8 or a 5-11 team more attractive to potential free agents?
most ridiculous thing youve ever posted
Nonsense. I've posted far more ridiculous things than that.
And how.
Quote from: BigEd76 on January 28, 2008, 11:54:38 AM
Reggie White chose the non-playoff 9-7 Packers over the wildcard-winning 9-7 taterskins, the division champ 11-5 Dolphins and the Super Bowl-winning 13-3 Cowboys. FA is all about money and nothing more...
God told him to go to Green Bay
God also told him to take a nap.
Getting this back on topic a little bit, here's an updated list of players the Eagles have shown interest in, according to ge99:
QB Colt Brennan - Hawaii
RB Justin Forsett - California
RB Xavier Omon - NW Missouri State
RB Kalvin McRae - Ohio
WR Adarius Bowman - Oklahoma State
WR Donnie Avery - Houston
WR Weston Dessler - North Dakota
WR Jordy Nelson - Kansas State
TE Fred Davis - USC
TE Kellen Davis - Michigan State
TE Martin Rucker - Missouri
OT Heath Benedict - Newberry (originally went to Tennessee)
C John Sullivan - Notre Dame
DE Wallace Gilberry - Alabama
DE Jeremy Thompson - Wake Forest
DE Kendall Langford - Hampton
DT Andre Fluellen - Florida State
LB Dan Connor - Penn State
CB Domonique Rodgers-Cromartie - Tennessee State
CB Simeon Castille - Alabama (could possibly shift to FS)
CB Leodis McKelvin - Troy
S Thomas DeCoud - California
The safeties, evidently, are fine.
Rodgers-Cromartie
i wanna see this shtein on a jersey
not that exciting
(http://www.nmnathletics.com.edgesuite.net/pics22/400/TY/TYESVXRSGSWGHGY.20080123163807.jpg)
except thats not what i wanted to see
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 28, 2008, 12:13:50 PM
Rodgers-Cromartie
So what's the deal with that? Is that his married name or something?
Looking for the fit-everything-on-the-jersey-like-"DARRENT WILLIAMS" pic, huh.
Sarge, it's the new hot thing in college sports with all these moms and dads not sticking around. Dad's name is now "mom's name - dad's name", like Maurice Jones-Drew....
a lot of times the brothers will be raised by their grandparent(s) and will take their name along with their fathers name...i have no idea if thats the case here
and its not a new hot thing...its been going on forever...you just only notice it in sports easy
the only hyphenated names in pasty white suburbia are the ones on the independent businesswomen :P
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on January 28, 2008, 12:00:04 PM
God also told him to take a nap.
holy shtein...awesome line, i love you with all my black heart
Quote from: BigEd76 on January 28, 2008, 12:25:22 PM
Sarge, it's the new hot thing in college sports with all these moms and dads not sticking around. Dad's name is now "mom's name - dad's name", like Maurice Jones-Drew....
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 28, 2008, 12:25:36 PM
a lot of times the brothers will be raised by their grandparent(s) and will take their name along with their fathers name...i have no idea if thats the case here
Thanks for the serious answers to my sarcastic question. I love you guys.
Quote from: rjs246 on January 28, 2008, 10:47:23 AM
The more time goes on, the less importance I put on draft position. Outside of the top 5 or so picks I just don't think it matters that much where you pick. I'm sure there's a legit argument against that reasoning, but watching teams like the raiders and cardinals pick in the top 10 year after year after year has convinced me that 'building through the draft' doesn't have to include premium draft position. As such, I would rather the Eagles just win. Even in hindsight.
:yay you are correct sir! your oakland/arizona example is right on. please throw in the Detroit Loins as well.
farg the draft all together. If they traded their first 3 picks for Chad Johnson, Jared Allen, and a safety would anyone even give a shtein?
Get some proven players in here.
Considering it would take a hell of a lot more than 3 picks, yes.
Quote from: rjs246 on January 28, 2008, 10:47:23 AM
The more time goes on, the less importance I put on draft position. Outside of the top 5 or so picks I just don't think it matters that much where you pick. I'm sure there's a legit argument against that reasoning, but watching teams like the raiders and cardinals pick in the top 10 year after year after year has convinced me that 'building through the draft' doesn't have to include premium draft position.
I think it depends more on who is making your picks than were you draft outside the top 5-7 picks. Look what Ozzie Newsome has done in Baltimore. It doesn't matter were he picks, it seems like he most always gets quality talent. Look at the players Bill Parcels has picked.
It seems that outside of linemen, the Eagles can't judge talent very well. I think they got lucky with Bwest in the third. It was thought he'd be a good WCO back, but no one could see just how good he would be, otherwise he'd have been a top 10 pick.
........and thanks to FF for being so articuate as to point out my use of WE when referring to the Eagles in my post. Way to make yourself useful.
You're a weenie.
Quote from: FastFreddie on January 29, 2008, 07:11:07 AM
You're a weenie.
(http://www.concretefield.info/forum/Themes/default/images/post/wireless.gif)
We can't all be winners. We have to remember that haters are going to hate, and we must persevere.
Thanks president bush
We'd nominate you for zinger of the week, but Feva's already got our vote.
Quote from: FastFreddie on January 29, 2008, 07:11:07 AM
You're a weenie.
Don't you mean
weenie?
Really though, I used to get fired up over a high pick, and still would have liked to have seen
this team lose the last two and have moved up, but would it have made much difference? It would have cut the odds down to were Reid would have had less of a chance to screw it up. Thats it.
I predict the guy they pick this year in the first round will be declared a success only because he's in the starting lineup in 2011.
my moneys on 2012.
Vanderbilt tackle Williams has Eagles' eye
Wednesday, January 30, 2008
BY MARK ECKEL
TIMES STAFF COLUMNIST
According to some spies in Mobile, Ala., last week for the Senior Bowl, the Eagles brass were spending most of their time watching defensive backs, both safeties and cornerbacks.
However, according to those same spies Andy Reid and Co.'s favorite player in the game was Vanderbilt offensive tackle Chris Williams.
Keep in mind that in the past, the Eagles' top picks -- including Donovan McNabb in 1999 -- have often been based on their Senior Bowl performances.
Williams, 6-foot-6, 318 pounds, is considered a very intelligent, very athletic player who may be able to step in and play right away. The only knock on him is that he might need to spend some more time in the weightroom.
Most early draft speculation has Williams going either just before, or just after, the Eagles pick at No. 19.
It's like a nightmare you can't wake up from.
While you guys all whine, how were you planning on protecting the QB over the next 2-5 years? Both Runyan and Thomas are in their twilight, and Justice has been bad in his playing time. Even if you think a Herremans-MJG-Jackson-Andrews-Justice line might be somewhat passable, there are certainly other positions that would be LESS helpful for the Eagles to take in the 1st.
Yeah it would make sense to draft a tackle in the first round, especially if you're having doubts about Justice at this point. The good news is if they draft another tackle hopefully it means keeping Andrews in at guard forever.
it makes sense if you arent worrying about winning next year or the year after...it also screams we farged up on justice and adds to their list of first day drafts busts
To be fair they got Justice at a point in the draft where nobody thought he'd be. He was an all or nothing pick, and at that point in the draft it was worth the risk. And hell maybe they know something about Thomas/Runyan's health and/or future with the team that we don't at this point.
But really there's not many players they can draft that scream "we'll win now with this guy on our team". Anyone they draft at the #19 slot's impact most likely won't be felt for a couple years. And it certainly won't vault them to the super bowl. A tackle in the first round this year=two CB's and a SS in the 02 draft.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 30, 2008, 08:33:07 AM
it makes sense if you arent worrying about winning next year or the year after...it also screams we farged up on justice and adds to their list of first day drafts busts
Exactamundo.
If they don't give a farg about winning next year then they should trade McNabb and start stocking up on the draft picks now.
If they're serious about being contenders next year then they should go balls out for one more run at it. Sadly, what they'll likely do is a mixture of the two. They'll draft for the future AND ignore the present because that's what they do.
And it's farging infuriating.
Again...who can they draft at #19 that takes them from 8-8 team to super bowl contender?
No one.
This is one year where a tackle in the first round isn't completely appalling to me. I'd rather see dline or safety/CB help, but both the starting tackles are old and the main back up looked like crap in his one NFL game.
What takes them from 8-8 to a contender is playmakers on offense and defense that can be gotten via free agency, trade or the draft, Munson.
Again, either you roll the dice one last time and hope that Runyan & Thomas hold out or you start the entire rebuilding process immediately.
You don't do both at the same time.
totally agree romey...i dont get why you keep mcnabb and then draft a tackle that isnt going to play for two years...draft secondary help or wr/kr or hell trade your number one for roy williams...
this pick makes no sense and would further the theories that the eagles just wanna be good enough to make a run at the playoffs every year and nothing more
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on January 30, 2008, 08:39:45 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 30, 2008, 08:33:07 AM
it makes sense if you arent worrying about winning next year or the year after...it also screams we farged up on justice and adds to their list of first day drafts busts
Exactamundo.
If they don't give a farg about winning next year then they should trade McNabb and start stocking up on the draft picks now.
If they're serious about being contenders next year then they should go balls out for one more run at it. Sadly, what they'll likely do is a mixture of the two. They'll draft for the future AND ignore the present because that's what they do.
And it's farging infuriating.
The draft isn't where they'd go "balls out" to make "one more run". Plus, there have been rumors of Runyan and/or Thomas retiring BEFORE next season. If that's the case, stocking up on OL may be the only way to avoid the window slamming shut.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on January 30, 2008, 08:46:06 AM
What takes them from 8-8 to a contender is playmakers on offense and defense that can be gotten via free agency, trade or the draft, Munson.
Again, either you roll the dice one last time and hope that Runyan & Thomas hold out or you start the entire rebuilding process immediately.
You don't do both at the same time.
Right, but they're not going to get a playmaker on offense or defense at pick #19 that is going to have any huge impact THIS YEAR.
I agree that they should add some guys in FA or trade, namely 2nd rounder for Roy Williams.
But the article is stating that if the Eagles stay at 19, they might go with a tackle. And I'll I'm saying is this is one year where, if they stay put, I'd be okay with another offensive lineman. But who knows, maybe they try and move up to get that play maker that allows them for one more shot. I'm certainly all for that as well. We all know Reid likes to try and make moves during the draft.
Logic is like kryptonite around here.
If Runyan or Thomas retires, then YES, you have to replace him now. I'm assuming they both stick around for at least one more year. You guys get that, right?
Jesus...
Even if they stick around for one more year, it still makes sense in this draft, which isn't exactly overflowing with talent, to get a guy at the 19th slot that could take over for one of the two after next year.
If they don't get that guy now, who knows what other needs they'll have next year, along with needing another young tackle when Willtra or Runyan croak. Reid likes having his linemen come up through his system, and it's a way of thinking that has actually worked well. The offensive line, which was terrible for a few years before Reid, has become someone consistent and even stellar at times. They like bringing their linemen in their rookie year and keeping them here, rather then going out and signing big name vets. LeCharles Bently IS at the Novacare Complex, though.
youre a moron munson...you actually think no first rounders (and drafted players in general) make impacts for their teams...wtf?
and even if runyan and thomas both retire this year this pick doesnt nothing for them sort term...the guy is not gonna be ready to play until at least year two...he needs big time weight and strength gain and he needs to elarn technique...if runyan and/or thomas retire this offseason (and i dont think they are) then the eagles will fill their spots from inside (herremans) and sign a veteran free agent...david williams is not a short term solution of any kind
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on January 30, 2008, 08:55:44 AM
Logic is like kryptonite around here.
If Runyan or Thomas retires, then YES, you have to replace him now. I'm assuming they both stick around for at least one more year. You guys get that, right?
Jesus...
Hey, brain surgeon, what's more helpful... a skill player that won't see the field in 2008 or an offensive tackle that could step in and do at least a passable job?
Your density is epic here. When was the last time the Eagles took someone in the first round with the intention of having him start as a rookie? 2004. Shawn Andrews. Offensive lineman.
Tell me, genius... who do you see at pick #19 that would fulfill your desire to get a difference maker for this season?
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 30, 2008, 09:04:58 AM
youre a moron munson...you actually think no first rounders (and drafted players in general) make impacts for their teams...wtf?
I'd like to refer you to the last sentence of Freddie's latest post.
Who are the Eagles taking at 19 that makes a big enough impact on the team this year to get them to a SB?
I'd like to go on the record and say I'm extremely uncomfortable about agreeing with Munson on this.
That said, if the Eagles don't make any big trades and/or don't sign any impact free agents, the draft doesn't matter at all, especially at pick 19.
deshean jackson would be an incredible upgrade at KR from day one and would have just as good a chance to be a great wr in a year or two as williams will have at being a tackle in two years
Quote from: FastFreddie on January 30, 2008, 09:09:48 AM
I'd like to go on the record and say I'm extremely uncomfortable about agreeing with Munson on this.
theres no right or wrong answer here (except in saying that no players in the first round can be impact guys) it a philosophical difference btwn wanting to win now and wanting to possibly fill a position in a couple years....winston justice is enough evidence all by himself for me not to want to take a chance on a lineman being good in 2-3 years vs trying to get someone who can help immediately
Quote from: FastFreddie on January 30, 2008, 09:09:48 AM
I'd like to go on the record and say I'm extremely uncomfortable about agreeing with Munson on this.
That said, if the Eagles don't make any big trades and/or don't sign any impact free agents, the draft doesn't matter at all, especially at pick 19.
You should be uncomfortable because he's wrong.
And the entire premise of improving this year is predicated on them acquiring players outside of the draft either by trade or free agency.
They need a receiver, another cornerback, a tight end and a defensive end immediately. If they can get playmakers immediately then they have a chance NEXT YEAR. If they can't get those sorts of players before the draft, then they should cut McNabb loose and start over so that in two years they'll be ready to contend.
But again, they can't do both. I personally think they're not that far off from contending again in the NFC, so drafting an OT now is retarded.
Quote from: FastFreddie on January 30, 2008, 09:09:48 AM
I'd like to go on the record and say I'm extremely uncomfortable about agreeing with Munson on this.
That said, if the Eagles don't make any big trades and/or don't sign any impact free agents, the draft doesn't matter at all, especially at pick 19.
This.
And I don't like agreeing with me either.
And Desean Jackson aint gonna do shtein for the Eagles in terms of getting them to a SB THIS YEAR. He'd have little impact as a rookie WR in the Eagles WC offense. And Chicago proved that while your return man can win you a few games, the rest of the team still has to overcome bad coaching and general suckyness to get anywhere. Are you faithful that this Eagles team as it stands now can do that? I mean hell, the Eagles probably are 9-7 or 10-6 and in the playoffs this year if it wasn't for horrible special teams play. But does a good returner put them in the SB? Probably not.
I'm just saying that if they don't trade up and try and get that impact player, then I'm okay with them going OT at #19. We all thought they were crazy for taking DB's in the first round in 02 and despite they lack of adding play makers that year, the only reason why they didn't win the SB was a colossal choke job more then anything else. They were the better team, they had TB in under 40 degree weather, and they choked.
But you're right, it's mostly a difference of philosophies in thinking anyway.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 30, 2008, 09:10:06 AM
deshean jackson would be an incredible upgrade at KR from day one and would have just as good a chance to be a great wr in a year or two as williams will have at being a tackle in two years
Are you on the record as Jackson or bust in the 1st round?
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on January 30, 2008, 09:17:46 AM
You should be uncomfortable because he's wrong.
And the entire premise of improving this year is predicated on them acquiring players outside of the draft either by trade or free agency.
They need a receiver, another cornerback, a tight end and a defensive end immediately. If they can get playmakers immediately then they have a chance NEXT YEAR. If they can't get those sorts of players before the draft, then they should cut McNabb loose and start over so that in two years they'll be ready to contend.
But again, they can't do both. I personally think they're not that far off from contending again in the NFC, so drafting an OT now is retarded.
No.
The Eagles could sign Donte Stallworth, draft a tight end in the first round, get a defensive end via free agency and draft a third cornerback in the second round.
That makes them an instant contender in the NFC assuming that everyone else comes back healthy and productive.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on January 30, 2008, 09:20:47 AM
The Eagles could sign Donte Stallworth, draft a tight end in the first round, get a defensive end via free agency and draft a third cornerback in the second round.
That makes them an instant contender in the NFC assuming that everyone else comes back healthy and productive.
Which TE's do you like in the 1st to make an impact in 2008?
Which DE's are available in free agency that you'd like to take a run at?
Quote from: FastFreddie on January 30, 2008, 09:19:51 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 30, 2008, 09:10:06 AM
deshean jackson would be an incredible upgrade at KR from day one and would have just as good a chance to be a great wr in a year or two as williams will have at being a tackle in two years
Are you on the record as Jackson or bust in the 1st round?
not at all...just giving one example of a guy who can make an immediate and real impact
Quote from: Munson on January 30, 2008, 09:18:30 AM
And Desean Jackson aint gonna do shtein for the Eagles in terms of getting them to a SB THIS YEAR. He'd have little impact as a rookie WR in the Eagles WC offense. And Chicago proved that while your return man can win you a few games.
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so the guy might win a few games for the teamf but he wont be an impact player at 19 or help the team get to the sb
please stop talking
IGY-That's assuming Jackson is as good, hell even half as good a return man as Hester. IF he's THAT good of a return man in the NFL, then he might help them win a game or two. But is he the difference between the Eagles being 8-8 and the Eagles beating the Patriots in the SB?
Do you honestly believe he as THAT kind of an impact RIGHT NOW?
No.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on January 30, 2008, 09:20:47 AM
The Eagles could sign Donte Stallworth, draft a tight end in the first round, get a defensive end via free agency and draft a third cornerback in the second round.
That makes them an instant contender in the NFC assuming that everyone else comes back healthy and productive.
and what happens when Tra has his annual back injury/blood clot/whatever? Justice again?
Quote from: SunMo on January 30, 2008, 09:29:33 AM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on January 30, 2008, 09:20:47 AM
The Eagles could sign Donte Stallworth, draft a tight end in the first round, get a defensive end via free agency and draft a third cornerback in the second round.
That makes them an instant contender in the NFC assuming that everyone else comes back healthy and productive.
and what happens when Tra has his annual back injury/blood clot/whatever? Justice again?
Hooray for not being prepared! But it's okay, that Jackson fellow is really fast.
reno mahe to desean jackson would be an incredible upgrade RIGHT fargING NOW
i dont know what else you need to hear...youre just bringing up red herrings now to prove and unprovable point...that there are no players at 19 that can come right in and make an impact...and again desean jackson could be a better player in two years than david williams much less next year where he definitely would be more impactful
making arguments like "thats assuming hes good" is not elevating your already sub human intelligence on these matters
Quote from: FastFreddie on January 30, 2008, 09:22:25 AM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on January 30, 2008, 09:20:47 AM
The Eagles could sign Donte Stallworth, draft a tight end in the first round, get a defensive end via free agency and draft a third cornerback in the second round.
That makes them an instant contender in the NFC assuming that everyone else comes back healthy and productive.
Which TE's do you like in the 1st to make an impact in 2008?
Which DE's are available in free agency that you'd like to take a run at?
I offered a possible scenario where the Eagles could improve immediately. Obviously the scenario depends on players being available. Since free agency hasn't happened yet, we have no idea who is going to be available. If an impact DE is available, you get him. Same goes for a TE in the draft although Fred Davis from USC would be an excellent pick.
Look, there are lots of ways to make the team better.
They could re-sign L.J. and the tight end spot is locked up. They could then draft an impact DE in the first round, they could get an impact WR in the draft if they trade up, on and on it goes.
My point remains, drafting an OT is stupid if the idea is to compete in 2008. If it isn't, then go ahead and get an OT. But you have to decide on a path. You can't do both because the Eagles weren't good enough in 2007 and without a lot of help this offseason they won't be good enough in 2008.
Quote from: SunMo on January 30, 2008, 09:29:33 AM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on January 30, 2008, 09:20:47 AM
The Eagles could sign Donte Stallworth, draft a tight end in the first round, get a defensive end via free agency and draft a third cornerback in the second round.
That makes them an instant contender in the NFC assuming that everyone else comes back healthy and productive.
and what happens when Tra has his annual back injury/blood clot/whatever? Justice again?
justice > williams right now
williams will not be ready in 08...take him out of the equation...if you want him for 09 or 10 to replace runyan and or tra then thats a valid argument but drafting him this year is not a solution for any potential injuries or retirements in 08
if tra goes down herremans moves out or justice/mccoy move in...and im guessing they may sign a tackle in FA
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 30, 2008, 09:32:18 AM
reno mahe to desean jackson would be an incredible upgrade RIGHT fargING NOW
i dont know what else you need to hear...youre just bringing up red herrings now to prove and unprovable point...that there are no players at 19 that can come right in and make an impact...and again desean jackson could be a better player in two years than david williams much less next year where he definitely would be more impactful
making arguments like "thats assuming hes good" is not elevating your already sub human intelligence on these matters
I don't remember saying that Jackson wouldn't be an
upgrade right now.
But I do remember saying that his impact on the team RIGHT NOW, as in the 2008 season, is about the same as any other guy they're going to draft at 19...as in it'll have little to no bearing on their chances for a Super Bowl win in '08. And is that not what this argument is about? The Eagles winning the Super Bowl RIGHT NOW?!?!/!?111
And Rome, I've said over and over that if they WANT TO MOVE UP to get an impact player like that, a guy who can come in and make such a difference that this team goes from mediocre NFC team to elite NFC team that can possibly somehow get lucky against whatever AFC team is in in 08, then okay. Go all out. Do it. Draft that guy, get Stallworth, get anotheer DE to pair with Cole, etc.
But if they're going to sit tight at 19, I have no problem with them planning for old tackles breaking down/the future protection of whoever the franchise's QB is. Because no one else they get at 19 this year will be that differerence maker that takes them all the way, unless they get lucky and get someone that plays way above expectations.
Quote from: FastFreddie on January 30, 2008, 09:05:13 AM
Tell me, genius... who do you see at pick #19 that would fulfill your desire to get a difference maker for this season?
Who can you draft at 19 that will make a difference? Probably no one.
Who can you get with the 19th pick that will make a difference? Roy Williams, CJ or Fitzgerald.
I'm with Rome and my Chocolate Knight, IGY on this one. There are plenty of guys at 19 who can develope into players and be a good long term fix. But the Eagles right now aren't in a position to really look at the long term. Not with a 32 yr old McNabb, Runyan, Thomas and Dawkins on their last legs, Westbrook, Tito, Sheldon, Killa, Andrews in their prime. So unless the plan is to blow it up and start from scratch, there's maybe 2 years that you can go after a SB with these guys.
So instead of drafting someone who can make minor contributions now and develop into a player 2 years from now when half of the current team has either retired or is nearing retirement, use that pick as trade bait to get a farging playmaker who can not only make immediate big time contributions but is still young enough to contribute for the longterm.
How awesome would it be to have a reciever like CJ, Williams or Fitz 3-5 years from now when Kolb or whoever the "QBOTF" is at that time? Wouldn't it be great for the next young QB to have a stud reciever to throw the ball to from the get go? Joe Montana (Taylor), Daunte Culpepper (Carter), Steve Young (Rice), Kurt Warner (Bruce) are just a few examples of rookie/young QB's who had some pretty amazing recievers to throw to when they first started out and benefited because of them.
Picking a backup OT this year would be as idiotic as dropping down and picking up a backup quarterback was last year.
The end.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on January 30, 2008, 08:39:45 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 30, 2008, 08:33:07 AM
it makes sense if you arent worrying about winning next year or the year after...it also screams we farged up on justice and adds to their list of first day drafts busts
Exactamundo.
If they don't give a farg about winning next year then they should trade McNabb and start stocking up on the draft picks now.
If they're serious about being contenders next year then they should go balls out for one more run at it. Sadly, what they'll likely do is a mixture of the two. They'll draft for the future AND ignore the present because that's what they do.
And it's farging infuriating.
You don't need offensive tackles. It's science.
Quote from: Wingspan on January 30, 2008, 09:47:54 AM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on January 30, 2008, 08:39:45 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 30, 2008, 08:33:07 AM
it makes sense if you arent worrying about winning next year or the year after...it also screams we farged up on justice and adds to their list of first day drafts busts
Exactamundo.
If they don't give a farg about winning next year then they should trade McNabb and start stocking up on the draft picks now.
If they're serious about being contenders next year then they should go balls out for one more run at it. Sadly, what they'll likely do is a mixture of the two. They'll draft for the future AND ignore the present because that's what they do.
And it's farging infuriating.
You don't need offensive tackles in 2008 that arent going to play until 2009 or 2010 (if ever). It's science.
uh huh
You're all wrong, and I'm right.
If being right is wrong then I don't wanna be right. :paranoid
I think you're all really special.
My original point is still correct. Drafting an OT, if the Eagles believe he's the best player on the board, at #19 is not an indication of anything. Not making any deals to get proven players in key positions IS an indication of something.
Basically, save your incessant sky is falling whining for the likely lack of movement in free agency and in the trade market and leave the draft alone.
No one they draft in 2008 will be the difference between winning the Super Bowl and not winning it. I'm on record.
11111
Quote from: FastFreddie on January 30, 2008, 10:18:26 AM
No one they draft in 2008 will be the difference between winning the Super Bowl and not winning it. I'm on record.
very few things get me more angry than this nonsensical argument as a way of defending the picks of the FO...no one they sign in free agency will be the difference btwn makign the superbowl and not...no one they trade for will be the difference btwn making the superbowl and not...but collectively these moves both in FA and the draft could make the difference...to treat a #1 draft pick as an afterthought and think its ok to draft a project back up lineman is beyond ridiculous
Quote from: FastFreddie on January 30, 2008, 10:18:26 AM
My original point is still correct. Drafting an OT, if the Eagles believe he's the best player on the board, at #19 is not an indication of anything. Not making any deals to get proven players in key positions IS an indication of something.
i disagree with that...if they projected Winston Justice to be Jonathan Ogden for the next 6 years they wouldn't be taking a tackle at 19, if he was the best player on their board they would almost certainly trade down
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 30, 2008, 10:30:44 AM
no one they sign in free agency will be the difference btwn makign the superbowl and not...
I certainly didn't say that and certainly don't believe it either. You're making shtein up to support your incessant need to bitch like a little girl about every single FO decision.
Quote from: FastFreddie on January 30, 2008, 10:38:01 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 30, 2008, 10:30:44 AM
no one they sign in free agency will be the difference btwn makign the superbowl and not...
I certainly didn't say that and certainly don't believe it either. You're making shtein up to support your incessant need to bitch like a little girl about every single FO decision.
you said fifteen times that the draft is not going to do anything for this year thats its not iimportant for the here and now and that its all on free agency and trades
since the season has ended everyone from lurie to jim johnson has gone out of their way to tell the world how close they are and that they were one of the best teams at the end of the year and next year will be great things....and then they are gonna take david williams in the first round of the draft?...its a huge contradiction
if this was post 2003 season then i could go with the mentality that trading for a chad johnson would elevate you to the superbowl...but they were 8-8 not 12-4 coming off a conference championship game....they dont have the luxury to be wasting first round picks...unless of course like romey said youre going to rebuild and in that case dont tell us how good you are...instead get rid of mcnabb and begin the cobb era...sarge also pointed out the ages of many players and the guys like westbrook who are in their primes and about to go on the other side of the mountain...
tell me where the standout young talent is on this team...the kind of guys that are going to be taking this team deep into the playoffs in 3-4 years...its not there imo so why not go all out in the next year or two and try to win a championship...then start taking the david williams of the world in the first round
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 30, 2008, 11:00:56 AM
Quote from: FastFreddie on January 30, 2008, 10:38:01 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 30, 2008, 10:30:44 AM
no one they sign in free agency will be the difference btwn makign the superbowl and not...
I certainly didn't say that and certainly don't believe it either. You're making shtein up to support your incessant need to bitch like a little girl about every single FO decision.
you said fifteen times that the draft is not going to do anything for this year thats its not iimportant for the here and now and that its all on free agency and trades
Exactly. Free agency and trades are where the differences are going to be made, so who gives a shtein if they're showing interest in an offensive tackle at #19? If they haven't already traded the pick away for an impact player, they might as well take the player that they feel is the best to help out with depth at a position of need.
Quote from: FastFreddie on January 30, 2008, 11:11:43 AM
Exactly. Free agency and trades are where the differences are going to be made, so who gives a shtein if they're showing interest in an offensive tackle at #19? If they haven't already traded the pick away for an impact player, they might as well take the player that they feel is the best to help out with depth at a position of need.
So you're saying that if the Eagles pick up a playmaker or 2 during the course of the offseason and don't need to address it during the draft that they should use their 1st round pick on future talent. Ok, I don't think anyone would disagree with that. But you haven't done a real good job of clearly stating that up till now either.
To me, your argument has been that the Eagles should use their #1 pick on future talent no matter what......don't use it as trade bait to improve the roster for 2008 with an impact player.
lol @ an 8-8 team using their first round pick (a top 20 pick) for 'depth'...that would be an amazing insult to all fans
not to mention williams would not even be depth because he would most likely spend the year inactive putting on weight and learning the position
Quote from: Sgt PSN on January 30, 2008, 11:17:28 AM
To me, your argument has been that the Eagles should use their #1 pick on future talent no matter what......don't use it as trade bait to improve the roster for 2008 with an impact player.
No. That was never my argument. I'm just stating that the whining about the Eagles considering an OT with the pick as one of their options is ridiculous. There are better options to improve the team NOW by trading away the pick, but if they're indeed going to use it, OT is as much a position of need as anything.
Like I said, everyone who disagrees with me is wrong on this one and just being argumentative due to built-up frustration (rome) or due to it simply being in their nature (IGY).
Yeah, I'm wrong. It's smart to use your #1 pick on a backup when you have at least two if not three or four positions where a starter is needed immediately.
Dum-dum.
first round picks dont immediately contribute...fast freddie banner told me this
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 30, 2008, 01:14:01 PM
first round picks dont immediately contribute... 10 years of Andy Reid tole me this
You're both idiots, by the way. Pig-headed hopeless idiots. And Magic fans.
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I was always partial to the mystery flavor.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on January 30, 2008, 09:43:42 AM
Who can you get with the 19th pick that will make a difference? Roy Williams, CJ or Fitzgerald.
Killa, Andrews in their prime.
How awesome would it be to have a reciever like CJ, Williams or Fitz 3-5 years from now when Kolb or whoever the "QBOTF" is at that time? Wouldn't it be great for the next young QB to have a stud reciever to throw the ball to from the get go? Joe Montana (Taylor), Daunte Culpepper (Carter), Steve Young (Rice), Kurt Warner (Bruce) are just a few examples of rookie/young QB's who had some pretty amazing recievers to throw to when they first started out and benefited because of them.
Agreed about the WRs. I'd give up a 1st and 2nd for Fitz or Williams, probably a 1st and a later pick for Johnson because he'll be older. Kolb throwing jumpballs to Fitz or Williams in 2010 = awesome.
The thing that's best about Cole and Andrews is that they're both pro bowlers at such a young age. They're each 25. Cole probably has at least 5 good years left, and Andrews 8+, barring injuries. They'll be the premier players at the position, maybe Andrews moreso than Cole, but still.
As far as the young QB - stud WRs, don't forget Eli - Plaxico too. Eli isn't in the same breath as those QBs (except Warner now) but if he didn't have Plax, Eli would be
terrible.
Quote from: Dillen on January 30, 2008, 03:54:20 PM
As far as the young QB - stud WRs, don't forget Eli - Plaxico too. Eli isn't in the same breath as those QBs (except Warner now) but if he didn't have Plax, Eli would be terrible.
sheldon? sheldon, is that you?
before i comment on any of these players, i need to get chris steuber's opinion.
oh shtein... i forgot about that awesome benefit of draft time
his two round mock draft is out and it's amazing as usual. last year i told him he had a stupid picture and he changed it a few days later.
Quote from: phattymatty on January 31, 2008, 12:59:29 PM
his two round mock draft is out and it's amazing as usual. last year i told him he had a stupid picture and he changed it a few days later.
Link?
Quote from: FastFreddie on January 31, 2008, 01:01:32 PM
Link?
i can't find it, but i did find this (http://boards.philadelphiaeagles.com/index.php?showtopic=435590&hl=)
Quote from: phattymatty on January 31, 2008, 12:56:39 PM
before i comment on any of these players, i need to get chris steuber's opinion.
I dig those exchanges you have with him. Too funny.
Quote from: phattymatty on January 31, 2008, 01:06:58 PM
Quote from: FastFreddie on January 31, 2008, 01:01:32 PM
Link?
i can't find it, but i did find this (http://boards.philadelphiaeagles.com/index.php?showtopic=435590&hl=)
That farging rocks.
Check out this one:
QuoteDo you see the Eagles trading up, trading back or standing pat?
QuoteI'll never put it past the Eagles to move up or trade back. But if they stand pat they will have a chance to draft a good player.
Sweet. That's great info.
He posts that sort of scintillating shtein all the time. I asked him about Chris Williams and he couldn't confirm or deny the Eagles interest in him.
Here was his response:
QuoteI can't imagine the Eagles taking an OT in the first round. But it isn't out of the question.
ORLY? Thanks, Captain Insight!
http://boards.philadelphiaeagles.com/index.php?showtopic=479182
Excellent.
the jerk offs who post serious questions to him are a gazillion and one times worse than he is....those people deserved to be abner louimaed
Wow, I didn't even realize this was still my avatar over there... sweet:
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^^^^^^
excellent! :-D
steuber:
QuoteI was signed by Fox Sports/Scout.com.
unbelievable.
thats sad
Is it?
Quote from: phattymatty on February 15, 2008, 10:26:17 AM
steuber:
QuoteI was signed by Fox Sports/Scout.com.
unbelievable.
Hehehe... (http://boards.philadelphiaeagles.com/index.php%20&showtopic=481021&view=findpost&p=10089469)
Lawrence Jackson at 19 = funniest thing ever.
The NFL front page on ESPN.
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mamula led the world in running off the tv screen...he wasnt a workout warrior he was a intellivision football warrior except in real life you dont come back into the game from the other side of the screen
QuoteThe teams swapped first-round picks and the Bucs landed two second-round choices in the process.In essence, the Eagles traded Sapp and Brooks -- two potential Hall of Famers -- for Mamula.
That is the worst thing I have ever heard.
Quote from: methdeez on February 19, 2008, 04:21:42 PM
QuoteThe teams swapped first-round picks and the Bucs landed two second-round choices in the process.In essence, the Eagles traded Sapp and Brooks -- two potential Hall of Famers -- for Mamula.
That is the worst thing I have ever heard.
I forget...did Ray-Bob draft his own people?
yeah...he had a boner for Mamula after he saw his workout numbers and Mamula told him he was going to kick Erik Williams ass. Hilarity ensued when he got his chance.
I remember the interview Rhodes did on ESPN after the Eagles drafted Mamula. He was giddy. I couldn't believe they didn't draft Sapp. He was sitting right there and they let him pass right on by.
There was some monumental busts in that draft, though... Ki-Jana Carter & Michael Westbrook being the two biggest.
If only the NFL counted almost-sacks. Mamula would own the record.
Quote from: Rome on February 19, 2008, 11:31:39 PM
There was some monumental busts in that draft, though... Ki-Jana Carter & Michael Westbrook being the two biggest.
Are you serious? Michael Westbrook was a steal for the Eagles in the 3rd round and is one of the best RB's in the league.
That's Bryant Westbrook, silly.
Quote from: phattymatty on February 15, 2008, 10:26:17 AM
steuber:
QuoteI was signed by Fox Sports/Scout.com.
unbelievable.
I thought I heard on a commercial for Daily News Live that they were going to have "draft expert
Mike Steuber" today. ha
If I recall, I think the team rationalized passing on Sapp due to his alleged (or factual, I forget) use of weed terming it a "character" issue. (Didn't Sapp fall some distance in that draft b/c of that anyhow?) Also this was on the heels of the Bernard Williams bong-a-thon so everyone in the FO was twitchy about that at the time, too.
I remember thinking farg that, how much worse could it be taking a flyer on Sapp after the teams great drafting job with Antone Davis and scores of others.
Oh well - at least those guys paved the way for CBuck...
they took mamula cause he played college ball in luries hometown so jeffy thought that gave him some extra insight on the guy
you have to give lurie a lot of credit for stepping back and not being involved in pp decisions since that blunder...his ego and stubborness easily could have turned him into a lil danni or jerry jones but he was wise enough to step back
Lurie was very much like Snyder and Jones when he first bought the team in terms of meddling in the overall operation of the team. He never spent like either of those guys though.
But yes, after a few short years and several big mistakes, he learned his lesson and brought in football people to make football decisions. Of course, seeing that you can never truly satisfy a Philadelphia sports fan, I think he's a little too hands off now.
I don't know if "hands off" is the right term, but he should certainly be calling the football people to task for not getting their jobs done.
That's basically what I'm talking about. I especially think he needs to put his foot on Banner's face and push him back down the mountain a little bit.
So you're saying you like it when other men are hands on?
Super.
Draftdaddy.com:
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Ole Miss tailback BenJarvus Green has caught the eye of New Orleans, Chicago and Philadelphia. The young man has one of the best bodies in Indy.
Best bodies? Wtf?
(http://media.commercialappeal.com/mca/content/img/photos/2007/09/07/s8gday1.jpeg)
He's 5'11 and 220lbs.
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Overview
Underrated back who might be ranked considerably higher if surrounded by more talent throughout his career. Green-Ellis lacks feel in the passing game, but otherwise is blessed with a rare combination of size, agility and acceleration. Originally signing with Indiana, Green-Ellis proved himself to be an immediate threat in the Big Ten, averaging 98 rushing yards a game against Big Ten opponents before transferring to Ole Miss, where he earned all conference honors after each of the past two seasons.
Analysis
Positives: Chiseled frame. ... Very good initial quickness. ... Smooth acceleration through the hole, with the burst to emerge from the first wave of defense to get into the open field. ... Better football speed than his 40 time would indicate. ... Durable workhorse and a secure ball-handler. ... Productive against quality Big Ten/SEC competition despite being the obvious center of opposing defenses' attention.
Negatives: Can be an impatient runner who rushes into the hole instead of allowing his blocks time to develop. ... Struggles as a receiver. ... Rarely asked to catch passes in this offense and dropped to many that were thrown his way. ... Has some wear on his tires with 920 rushing attempts over his career.
He led all RBs in the bench press.
Quote from: PPinDC on February 25, 2008, 11:49:28 AM
Best bodies? Wtf?
the look test might be the most important one of all....seriously dont underestimate it...both face and body
KFFL:
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Eagles | Team has spoken with McGlynn
Thu, 21 Feb 2008 20:25:55 -0800
University of Pittsburgh OL Mike McGlynn said during his NFL Scouting Combine interview that he has spoken with the Philadelphia Eagles.
Eagles | Team to interview Je. Finley
Thu, 21 Feb 2008 17:30:00 -0800
University of Texas TE Jermichael Finley said during his NFL Scouting Combine interview that he is scheduled to meet with the Philadelphia Eagles Thursday, Feb. 21.
Mosher:
QuoteJames Hardy, a 6-foot-7 receiver out of Indiana, said the Eagles planned to interview him this week.
Quote from: BigEd76 on February 25, 2008, 04:39:17 PM
Mosher:
QuoteJames Hardy, a 6-foot-7 receiver out of Indiana, said the Eagles planned to interview him this week.
Tall, with good straight line speed. I wouldn't be at all suprised if the Eagles went after him.
Was that IGY who said that he really wanted the Eagles to get him during the PSU/Indiana game?
That was me. Kid's a beast.
definitely wasnt me i hadnt seen him play before (or since) that game
Flipping through the channels I stopped on NFLN to watch a wrap-up of the combine thus far. With Kolb eventually going to take over, I wouldn't be opposed them grabbing this dude to grow with Kolb:
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Overview
Blessed with incredible speed, Donnie Avery is difficult for cornerbacks to catch once he reaches a clearing.
Avery, clocked at 4.2 seconds in the 40-yard dash, put his quickness to good use during a breakout performance in 2007. He led Conference USA and ranked fourth in the nation with an average of 112 receiving yards per game, while his averaged of seven catches per contest also led the league and ranked 14th nationally.
In addition, he shattered school and conference records during his final campaign with 346 yards receiving in the Rice contest, becoming the first player in C-USA annals to gain over 300 yards receiving in a game. His 427 all-purpose yards in that game also set new league and Houston records, topping his own record set two weeks earlier with 350 yards vs. East Carolina.
At Hastings High School, Avery was a unanimous first-team All-District selection as both a wide receiver and return specialist during his final season. He helped lead the team to the district championship and an 11-3 record, hauling in 36 passes for 502 yards and two touchdowns to lead the District 19-5A receivers in 2002. He also returned 13 punts for 399 yards and three scores, as well as seven kickoffs for 345 yards and one touchdown, in addition to rushing 16 times for 175 yards and two scores.
Avery turned down scholarship offers from Kansas State, Tennessee, Texas Christian, New Mexico and Kansas when he decided to enroll at Houston in 2003. He competed on the scout team that year, moving into the starting lineup for all 11 games in 2004.
He finished fourth on the team with 18 receptions for 293 yards (16.3-yard average) and two scores, adding 343 yards on 18 kickoff returns (19.1 avg). He also returned three punts for 28 yards (9.3 avg) and registered seven tackles (four solo) with a stop for a two-yard loss. For his efforts, he was selected to the Freshman All-Conference USA squad.
As a sophomore, Avery started eight of 12 contests. He ranked third on the team with 44 receptions and second with 688 yards (15.6-yard average), including five touchdowns. He also produced five solo tackles. Eight of his catches were for 20 yards or longer.
In 2006, Avery appeared in 14 contests, earning 12 starts. He ranked second on the Cougars with 57 catches for 852 yards (14.9-yard average) and five touchdowns, as 12 of those grabs were for gains of at least 20 yards. He totaled 113 yards on six kickoff returns (18.8 avg) and amassed 965 all-purpose yards.
Avery earned All-American second-team honors as an all-purpose back from The NFL Draft Report. He was a consensus All-Conference USA first-team choice as a receiver and second-team pick on special teams. He paced the Cougars with a career-high 91 catches for 1,456 yards (16.0 avg) and seven touchdowns. Seventeen of his catches were for at least 20 yards, as he also returned 15 kickoffs for 424 yards (28.3 avg) and a score. He recorded two solo tackles and generated 1,880 all-purpose yards.
Avery started 42 of 50 games at Houston. He became the third player in school history to gain over 3,000 yards receiving, as he caught 210 passes for 3,289 yards (15.7-yard average) and 19 touchdowns. He had 41 catches for 20 yards or longer and returned 40 kickoffs for 896 yards (22.4-yard average), including one score. He added 28 yards on three punt returns (9.3 avg) and recorded 14 tackles (11 solo) with a stop for a two-yard loss. He amassed 4,213 all-purpose yards, an average of 84.26 yards per game.
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Analysis
Positives: Has a lean frame with solid muscle tone and can add more bulk without having it hinder his timed speed...Possesses large hands, a tight abdomen, good bubble, a bit high-cut, but shows developed thighs and calves...Has impressive strength for a player his size, but the weight room numbers don't always translate to the playing field...Displays blazing speed, quick feet, and excellent explosiveness and change-of-direction agility...Plays with very good awareness, showing the ability to adjust to coverage without having to throttle down...Has generated good production catching the ball outside his framework...Sometimes looks a little tight in his lower base, but is generally an agile and elusive route runner who can rack up yardage after the catch if he is able to elude the initial tackle...Has good hands and body control, and the necessary ball skills to make the tough catch...Has improved his concentration lapses catching in a crowd, but is still a work in progress...Big-play type who works hard to protect the ball after the catch...Quick-twitch type with suddenness...When not challenged, he is very sudden getting into his routes...Does a nice job of working back to the ball when his quarterback is under pressure...Shows crisp speed-cut moves, doing a nice job of dropping his pads and accelerating out of his breaks...Shows fluid body moves timing his leaps and extending for the ball along the boundaries...His change-of-direction agility and body control usually leave second-level defenders grabbing at air...Good zone route runner who demonstrates excellent awareness along the boundary...Finds the soft spots in zone coverage, executing crisp double moves in his route to elude and can easily gobble up the cushion and run by the defenders vs. the level of competition he has faced...Plays the game hard and is not afraid to lay out for a ball or take a big hit...A vocal leader who sets a good example for other players by doing extra work in the weight room and in position drills...Gets upfield quickly using good burst and acceleration, as well as a clean release at the line of scrimmage...Freezes defenders off the line with excellent suddenness and change-of-direction agility...Has enough functional strength to push defensive backs out of their backpedal...Displays an outstanding ability to drop his weight quickly, getting in and out of cuts crisply...Creates good separation with his outstanding playing speed and runs crisp routes, using a good center of gravity to make his cuts...Has the quick feet to plant and make the initial tackler miss...Demonstrates good timing to challenge for the pass at its high point...Will cradle the ball at times, but works hard to get good placement...Can pluck the ball away from his body and reacts quickly to the ball in flight, showing good ability to dig out low throws...Can take the ball all the way when he's out in front of a defense...Very creative on the move and does a good job of holding on to the ball after colliding with the defender...Has very good torso flexibility on returns and also possesses the speed, elusiveness, and agility to be a good return specialist at the next level.
Negatives: Has a muscular frame, but lacks the ideal bulk and size to get physical with defenders competing for the ball in a crowd...Has very good suddenness when he gets a clean release off the line, but vs. the press, he dances around too much to get into his route quickly...Has had concentration lapses, mostly when having to catch in tight areas, when he hears the defender's footsteps...Needs to be more alert to low tackles, as he is easily tripped up in the open (needs to sidestep better)...Has good elusiveness after the catch, but is prone to running into spots...Will go for the ball in a crowd, but gets ping-ponged often, resulting in a failure to get to those throws...More of a pest-type blocker, as his weight-room strength does not translate to the field...Will get pushed back by a bull rush when blocking on the line...Has had poor production inside the red zone.
Compares To: KEVIN CURTIS-Philadelphia...Avery's suddenness into his routes have some comparing him to Buffalo's Lee Evans, but Avery's run-after-catch skills aren't first-rate and he's easily tripped up by low tackles. Avery's quickness is world-class. He has outstanding change-of-direction agility and does an excellent job of working his feet along the sideline. His speed allows him to create separation, but he must learn to get a better push vs. the jam, as he will dance around too much in attempts to escape the press. He is a quality kickoff returner, but not in the Devin Hester mold. Still, he will be a significant contributor as a return specialist. In a multiple-receiver formation, Avery instantly provides a team with a valid deep threat on the outside.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=y4XDkwPONjk
http://youtube.com/watch?v=jruwxr7Peos
Apprently the Eagles like black dudes with first names that are a combination of two regular first names, making one long stupid name. And tall freaks.
Im sorry wha?
BenJarvis Green
JerMichael Finley.
Die.
Quote from: PPinDC on February 25, 2008, 05:14:19 PM
Flipping through the channels I stopped on NFLN to watch a wrap-up of the combine thus far. With Kolb eventually going to take over, I wouldn't be opposed them grabbing this dude to grow with Kolb:
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Overview
Blessed with incredible speed, Donnie Avery is difficult for cornerbacks to catch once he reaches a clearing.
Avery, clocked at 4.2 seconds in the 40-yard dash, put his quickness to good use during a breakout performance in 2007. He led Conference USA and ranked fourth in the nation with an average of 112 receiving yards per game, while his averaged of seven catches per contest also led the league and ranked 14th nationally.
In addition, he shattered school and conference records during his final campaign with 346 yards receiving in the Rice contest, becoming the first player in C-USA annals to gain over 300 yards receiving in a game. His 427 all-purpose yards in that game also set new league and Houston records, topping his own record set two weeks earlier with 350 yards vs. East Carolina.
At Hastings High School, Avery was a unanimous first-team All-District selection as both a wide receiver and return specialist during his final season. He helped lead the team to the district championship and an 11-3 record, hauling in 36 passes for 502 yards and two touchdowns to lead the District 19-5A receivers in 2002. He also returned 13 punts for 399 yards and three scores, as well as seven kickoffs for 345 yards and one touchdown, in addition to rushing 16 times for 175 yards and two scores.
Avery turned down scholarship offers from Kansas State, Tennessee, Texas Christian, New Mexico and Kansas when he decided to enroll at Houston in 2003. He competed on the scout team that year, moving into the starting lineup for all 11 games in 2004.
He finished fourth on the team with 18 receptions for 293 yards (16.3-yard average) and two scores, adding 343 yards on 18 kickoff returns (19.1 avg). He also returned three punts for 28 yards (9.3 avg) and registered seven tackles (four solo) with a stop for a two-yard loss. For his efforts, he was selected to the Freshman All-Conference USA squad.
As a sophomore, Avery started eight of 12 contests. He ranked third on the team with 44 receptions and second with 688 yards (15.6-yard average), including five touchdowns. He also produced five solo tackles. Eight of his catches were for 20 yards or longer.
In 2006, Avery appeared in 14 contests, earning 12 starts. He ranked second on the Cougars with 57 catches for 852 yards (14.9-yard average) and five touchdowns, as 12 of those grabs were for gains of at least 20 yards. He totaled 113 yards on six kickoff returns (18.8 avg) and amassed 965 all-purpose yards.
Avery earned All-American second-team honors as an all-purpose back from The NFL Draft Report. He was a consensus All-Conference USA first-team choice as a receiver and second-team pick on special teams. He paced the Cougars with a career-high 91 catches for 1,456 yards (16.0 avg) and seven touchdowns. Seventeen of his catches were for at least 20 yards, as he also returned 15 kickoffs for 424 yards (28.3 avg) and a score. He recorded two solo tackles and generated 1,880 all-purpose yards.
Avery started 42 of 50 games at Houston. He became the third player in school history to gain over 3,000 yards receiving, as he caught 210 passes for 3,289 yards (15.7-yard average) and 19 touchdowns. He had 41 catches for 20 yards or longer and returned 40 kickoffs for 896 yards (22.4-yard average), including one score. He added 28 yards on three punt returns (9.3 avg) and recorded 14 tackles (11 solo) with a stop for a two-yard loss. He amassed 4,213 all-purpose yards, an average of 84.26 yards per game.
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Analysis
Positives: Has a lean frame with solid muscle tone and can add more bulk without having it hinder his timed speed...Possesses large hands, a tight abdomen, good bubble, a bit high-cut, but shows developed thighs and calves...Has impressive strength for a player his size, but the weight room numbers don't always translate to the playing field...Displays blazing speed, quick feet, and excellent explosiveness and change-of-direction agility...Plays with very good awareness, showing the ability to adjust to coverage without having to throttle down...Has generated good production catching the ball outside his framework...Sometimes looks a little tight in his lower base, but is generally an agile and elusive route runner who can rack up yardage after the catch if he is able to elude the initial tackle...Has good hands and body control, and the necessary ball skills to make the tough catch...Has improved his concentration lapses catching in a crowd, but is still a work in progress...Big-play type who works hard to protect the ball after the catch...Quick-twitch type with suddenness...When not challenged, he is very sudden getting into his routes...Does a nice job of working back to the ball when his quarterback is under pressure...Shows crisp speed-cut moves, doing a nice job of dropping his pads and accelerating out of his breaks...Shows fluid body moves timing his leaps and extending for the ball along the boundaries...His change-of-direction agility and body control usually leave second-level defenders grabbing at air...Good zone route runner who demonstrates excellent awareness along the boundary...Finds the soft spots in zone coverage, executing crisp double moves in his route to elude and can easily gobble up the cushion and run by the defenders vs. the level of competition he has faced...Plays the game hard and is not afraid to lay out for a ball or take a big hit...A vocal leader who sets a good example for other players by doing extra work in the weight room and in position drills...Gets upfield quickly using good burst and acceleration, as well as a clean release at the line of scrimmage...Freezes defenders off the line with excellent suddenness and change-of-direction agility...Has enough functional strength to push defensive backs out of their backpedal...Displays an outstanding ability to drop his weight quickly, getting in and out of cuts crisply...Creates good separation with his outstanding playing speed and runs crisp routes, using a good center of gravity to make his cuts...Has the quick feet to plant and make the initial tackler miss...Demonstrates good timing to challenge for the pass at its high point...Will cradle the ball at times, but works hard to get good placement...Can pluck the ball away from his body and reacts quickly to the ball in flight, showing good ability to dig out low throws...Can take the ball all the way when he's out in front of a defense...Very creative on the move and does a good job of holding on to the ball after colliding with the defender...Has very good torso flexibility on returns and also possesses the speed, elusiveness, and agility to be a good return specialist at the next level.
Negatives: Has a muscular frame, but lacks the ideal bulk and size to get physical with defenders competing for the ball in a crowd...Has very good suddenness when he gets a clean release off the line, but vs. the press, he dances around too much to get into his route quickly...Has had concentration lapses, mostly when having to catch in tight areas, when he hears the defender's footsteps...Needs to be more alert to low tackles, as he is easily tripped up in the open (needs to sidestep better)...Has good elusiveness after the catch, but is prone to running into spots...Will go for the ball in a crowd, but gets ping-ponged often, resulting in a failure to get to those throws...More of a pest-type blocker, as his weight-room strength does not translate to the field...Will get pushed back by a bull rush when blocking on the line...Has had poor production inside the red zone.
Compares To: KEVIN CURTIS-Philadelphia...Avery's suddenness into his routes have some comparing him to Buffalo's Lee Evans, but Avery's run-after-catch skills aren't first-rate and he's easily tripped up by low tackles. Avery's quickness is world-class. He has outstanding change-of-direction agility and does an excellent job of working his feet along the sideline. His speed allows him to create separation, but he must learn to get a better push vs. the jam, as he will dance around too much in attempts to escape the press. He is a quality kickoff returner, but not in the Devin Hester mold. Still, he will be a significant contributor as a return specialist. In a multiple-receiver formation, Avery instantly provides a team with a valid deep threat on the outside.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=y4XDkwPONjk
http://youtube.com/watch?v=jruwxr7Peos
hes way too talented and athletic for the eagles to take him
Quote from: FastFreddie on February 25, 2008, 05:03:01 PM
That was me. Kid's a beast.
I believe I said the same thing, I know I would be very happy if they picked him up.
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on February 26, 2008, 10:37:56 AM
Quote from: FastFreddie on February 25, 2008, 05:03:01 PM
That was me. Kid's a beast.
I believe I said the same thing, I know I would be very happy if they picked him up.
Likewise. I watched him in a few Indiana games this past season.
i havent seen as much of him as yous...just the penn state game and film on the net...but he seems way slow to me...kind of a better version of hank baskett....certainly not a second rounder that a lot of people have him pegged at
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 26, 2008, 01:31:46 PM
i havent seen as much of him as yous...just the penn state game and film on the net...but he seems way slow to me...kind of a better version of hank baskett....certainly not a second rounder that a lot of people have him pegged at
I think that his speed is deceptive, he is 6'7" so it could look like he is slower than he actually is.
hes actually 6-5 but he did run a 4.47....pretty good for a big guy...
but he also beats up women and children...and got suspended in college for a blow up with his coach
no chance the mormen takes him
Has he ever been convicted of anything?
Good. Get him in the 3rd round if he's there.
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On the field, Hardy had an equally impressive performance in 2006 as he did during his redshirt freshman season. But off the field, trouble followed. He was arrested on May 19 on charges of domestic battery and interfering with the reporting of a crime, after his girlfriend accused him of hitting her and the couple's infant child.
Hardy pleaded not guilty to the charges and later accepted a court's offer in Fort Wayne to settle his case through a pretrial diversion agreement. By accepting the program, he had to comply with the conditions of the agreement and pay court costs. He also apologized to his teammates and IU in his statement.
There were problems with Hardy and Indiana's late head coach Terry Hoeppner. After the second game of the 2006 season, the two met privately, resulting in the coach suspending Hardy for two games (vs. Southern Illinois and Connecticut).
When Hardy returned to the lineup, he was rusty from his layoff and was flagged for critical offensive pass interference on the Hoosiers' opening drive of the Wisconsin clash, finishing with an eight-yard catch for the day.
Terry Hoeppner's dead, so clearly you don't farg with Hardy.
Ha!
Quote from: FastFreddie on February 27, 2008, 08:08:57 AM
Has he ever been convicted of anything?
Good. Get him in the 3rd round if he's there.
Billy McMullen?
Hey, if you can trade him for someone like Baskett, he's quality!
wow, he hit his GF and their infant kid? what a douche
now, had he hit the GF with the infant kid, impressive
Maybe she was holding the kid and he got a little piece.
You know, collatteral damage.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on February 27, 2008, 09:27:02 AM
Quote from: FastFreddie on February 27, 2008, 08:08:57 AM
Has he ever been convicted of anything?
Good. Get him in the 3rd round if he's there.
Billy McMullen?
now he had a nice body :paranoid
The new Scouts Inc mock:
Quote19. Philadelphia Eagles -- Phillip Merling, DE, Clemson
Record: 8-8 | Needs: WR, DE, S, OT/G, MLB
Previous mock selection: Phillip Merling, DE, Miami
Eagles OTs Jon Runyan and William Thomas aren't getting any younger, so Otah would be a possibility here if he were available. The Eagles are also in search of a home run threat at wide receiver, so don't count out Jackson, either. However, Merling has an outstanding combination of size, quickness and power that would make him a good fit opposite wide end Trent Cole in Philadelphia.
They have DeSean Jackson going at #20. That would infuriate me.
so there are two philip merling's? zoinks
I heard the Eagles were going to use all 12 draft picks on defensive ends.
fastballs and curveballs!
And, thanks to crazy Juqua, screwballs!
Any Spaceballs?
Andy Reid could be John Candy
Banner is Dr. Shlotkin (sp?).
Quote from: FastFreddie on March 03, 2008, 04:22:31 PM
The new Scouts Inc mock:
Quote19. Philadelphia Eagles -- Phillip Merling, DE, Clemson
Record: 8-8 | Needs: WR, DE, S, OT/G, MLB
Previous mock selection: Phillip Merling, DE, Miami
Eagles OTs Jon Runyan and William Thomas aren't getting any younger, so Otah would be a possibility here if he were available. The Eagles are also in search of a home run threat at wide receiver, so don't count out Jackson, either. However, Merling has an outstanding combination of size, quickness and power that would make him a good fit opposite wide end Trent Cole in Philadelphia.
They have DeSean Jackson going at #20. That would infuriate me.
Me too, he is the only real offensive playmaker outside of a running back that they could pick up.
AdamJT13's compensatory predictions:
QuoteTHIRD ROUND
Washington (Derrick Dockery, $7 million per season, 16 GP/16 GS)
Cincinnati (Eric Steinbach, $6.971 million, 16/16)
Baltimore (Adalius Thomas, $6.9 million, 16/15)
FOURTH ROUND
Buffalo (Mike Gandy, $4.667 million, 16/16)
Baltimore (Tony Pashos, $4.7 million, 15/15)
Philadelphia (Donte Stallworth, $5.083 million, 16/9)
Green Bay (Ahman Green, $5.6 million, 6/5)
Tennessee (Drew Bennett, $5 million, 14/1) – possibly a fifth- round pick
San Diego (Donnie Edwards, $4.5 million, 16/16) – possibly a fifth- round pick
FIFTH ROUND
Philadelphia (Jeff Garcia, $4 million, 13/13, Pro Bowl)
N.Y. Giants (Visanthe Shiancoe, $3.6 million, 16/15) – possibly a sixth- round pick
SIXTH ROUND
Indianapolis (Nick Harper, $3.133 million, 14/14)
Indianapolis (Dominic Rhodes, $3.75 million, 10/2)
Philadelphia (Roderick Hood $3 million, 16/16)
Miami (Damion McIntosh, $2.95 million, 15/15)
Indianapolis (Cato June, $3 million, 16/14)
Baltimore (Ovie Mughelli, $3 million, 16/7)
Cincinnati (Kevin Kaesviharn, $2.4 million, 16/3) – possibly a seventh- round pick
Cincinnati (Kelley Washington, $2.5 million, 14/0) – possibly a seventh- round pick
SEVENTH ROUND
Baltimore (Aubrayo Franklin, $2 million, 14/13) – possibly a sixth- round pick
Carolina (Chris Draft, $1.358 million, 16/6)
Washington (Warrick Holdman, $1.375 million, 0/0, on IR all season)
Chicago (Justin Gage, $1 million, 16/8)
Cincinnati (Anthony Wright, $1.055 million, 4/0)
Chicago (Todd Johnson, $975,000, 16/1)
Buffalo (Andre Davis, $850,000, 14/8)
Chicago (Ian Scott, $1 million, 0/0, on IR all season)
Washington (Kenny Wright, $973,333, 7/1)
Carolina (Vinny Ciurciu, $966,667, 13/0)
Indianapolis (Mike Doss, $900,000, 8/1)
Atlanta (net-value comp; lost three for $9.567 million, 47/30 and one Pro Bowl; signed three for $4.964 million, 45/13)
Miami (non-compensatory pick)
Looks like Curtis cancels out Lewis
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles...t_receiver.html
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Posted on Wed, Mar. 19, 2008
Birds have eyes on Vanderbilt receiver
When the NFL draft commences at the end of next month, remember the name Earl Bennett.
He is a wide receiver from Vanderbilt who is projected to be taken in the second round, and the Eagles are interested enough in him that, according to a league source, they have asked for a personal workout today.
Bennett, 6 feet and 209 pounds, was a three-time all-Southeastern Conference selection and decided to enter the draft after his junior season at Vanderbilt. He led the Commodores in receiving during each of his three seasons, including his freshman year, when Denver's Jay Cutler was his quarterback.
Bennett, who ran a 4.48-second 40-yard dash at the scouting combine in Indianapolis, caught 75 passes for 830 yards and five touchdowns last season. His 236 career receptions are an SEC record.
Vanderbilt's pro workout day is scheduled for Friday on the Nashville campus. If the Eagles want Bennett, they may have to either take him in the first round or move up in the second because Cutler's Broncos are also interested. Denver's second-round selection, the 42d overall pick, is seven spots ahead of the Eagles' second-round pick.
- Bob Brookover
I'm not so crazy about the idea of trading up for a 6 foot receiver that runs a 4.48. He sounds like maybe a slight long-term upgrade over Avant.
Freddie Mitchell is 6 feet and ran a 4.44, I believe.
Correct me if I'm wrong about this kid, but the numbers (http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/profile.php?pyid=57112) don't say "future #1 stud WR" to me.
i dont want to trade up for a wr that the eagles love
DeSean > Earl
Yeah, but Earl > Billy Sampy
You > Bill Sampy
Quote from: BigEd76 on March 19, 2008, 10:08:29 AM
DeSean
That would be the one to trade up for, imo.
If the Eagles are talking wr in the first round, be prepared for the inevitable bust pick.
I'd take Sweed, Hardy, Thomas, Kelly all before Jackson. They are just better fits IMO.
I think the only reason Eagles fans like Jackson is because of his return ability. Give me the better WR, worry about the return game later.
later?...after the green bay game id say it already is later...you cant miss on a return guy...where as you can whiff on a wr very easily as the eagles have proved time and again...id rather have desean who has the biggest upside of any wr and if he sucks hes still a given as a return man...the other guys suck as wr's the entire pick is down the drain
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 22, 2008, 10:51:22 PM
later?...after the green bay game id say it already is later...you cant miss on a return guy...where as you can whiff on a wr very easily as the eagles have proved time and again...id rather have desean who has the biggest upside of any wr and if he sucks hes still a given as a return man...the other guys suck as wr's the entire pick is down the drain
I have two words for you my friend.
Jeremy Bloom.
Gotta take the best player available at a position of need and even then make sure you are not reaching.
i mean im not saying its desean or bust...im saying if you take a wr you take desean becatause of the return ability and the off the charts athleticism
I'd rather not draft a 1st round WR on the basis of "if he can't contribute as a WR in the future, at least we got a return man".
It's teams that spend first round picks on guys like that who don't win SB's.
Quote from: Munson on March 23, 2008, 01:50:33 AM
It's teams that spend first round picks on guys like that who don't win SB's.
the eagles have not won a superbowl.
it would be smart to stop worrying about what other teams do and try to upgrade based on what this team needs.
i think we all agree that none of the WRs in the 1st round might contribute right away or even if they do would not be significant upgrades. ok so then you take jackson, bring him in to the offense, but at least right away he can electrify the return game.
the eagles dont win superbowls and dont draft talented guys in the first round so im not sure what you mean
plus you dont draft any guy in the first round with the pre conceived notion that he "cant contribute" thats actually laughable that you would even say that...but you draft players in any round that give you more options to succeed than players that dont
keep an eye out for those friday elections son
Quote from: Magical_Retard on March 23, 2008, 02:15:56 AM
Quote from: Munson on March 23, 2008, 01:50:33 AM
It's teams that spend first round picks on guys like that who don't win SB's.
the eagles have not won a superbowl.
it would be smart to stop worrying about what other teams do and try to upgrade based on what this team needs.
i think we all agree that none of the WRs in the 1st round might contribute right away or even if they do would not be significant upgrades. ok so then you take jackson, bring him in to the offense, but at least right away he can electrify the return game.
100% correct
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 23, 2008, 02:18:39 AM
the eagles dont win superbowls and dont draft talented guys in the first round so im not sure what you mean
plus you dont draft any guy in the first round with the pre conceived notion that he "cant contribute" thats actually laughable that you would even say that...but you draft players in any round that give you more options to succeed than players that dont
keep an eye out for those friday elections son
Alright you do know I was kidding in that thread right? Like "my 21st birthday is on friday, it'd be nice if it was election day too so I could not have class that day". I guess dry humor aint the way to go around here.
All I'm saying is if they're going to draft a WR in the first round, I want it to be a WR that they can say "alright this guy will contribute as a WR for sure", not an "oh well if it turns out he can't be an NFL WR, at least we got a return man"....No. That's what you do in the 3rd round (Brian Westbrook), or the 4th round....you don't draft a WR in the 1st round based on the fact that he could contribute as a return man. That worked out real well for the Dolphins.
first of all you werent kidding youre are that stupid and young
secondly ted ginn has a very impressive year on a bad team...a better year than any eagle rookie since 2002...so why you would bring him up is baffling
thirdly there isnt a wr in this draft that you can say will contribute for sure...but at the head of that pack is desean jackson...PLUS hes a lock good return man...so if hes one of the best wr prospects or the best AND a guaranteed good return man he should be taken above the wr's behind him who are one dimensional
IGY you're drunk. Plus I'd take Limas Sweed over all of them. Roy Williams clone.
so you like limas sweed better than desean...thats cool
??
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 23, 2008, 03:06:56 AM
first of all you werent kidding youre are that stupid and young
secondly ted ginn has a very impressive year on a bad team...a better year than any eagle rookie since 2002...so why you would bring him up is baffling
thirdly there isnt a wr in this draft that you can say will contribute for sure...but at the head of that pack is desean jackson...PLUS hes a lock good return man...so if hes one of the best wr prospects or the best AND a guaranteed good return man he should be taken above the wr's behind him who are one dimensional
No, you just think I am because you're retarded.
I'll repeat myself...you don't draft a guy in the 1st round with the thought process of "If he doesn't work out at his position, he can be a return man"...You just do not spend a 1st round pick on a guy like that.
I'd really hate for them to add a WR in the first 3 rounds of the draft at this point. If they're adding a WR in needs to be through trade and he needs to be a known commodity, and a stud. Not a rookie WR who may or may not reach his potential upside as a WR and oh yeah, he can return kicks. That's not what first round picks are for. Especially at 19. I no longer trust this team to draft guys who "have upside" at WR...either they draft a stud WR (which this draft has none of), or they stay away.
Quote from: NGM on March 23, 2008, 03:46:22 AM
IGY you're drunk. Plus I'd take Limas Sweed over all of them. Roy Williams clone.
lol.. more like Todd Pinkston Clone
Limas Sweed measured in at 6'4 216 at the Combine.
Todd Pinkston, as of the last measurables I could find, was 6'3 180. I don't get it.
Quote from: NGM on March 23, 2008, 12:57:09 PM
Limas Sweed measured in at 6'4 216 at the Combine.
Todd Pinkston, as of the last measurables I could find, was 6'3 180. I don't get it.
Hes soft like Pinkston, imo he shouldt go higher than 2nd round.
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on March 23, 2008, 01:00:25 PM
Quote from: NGM on March 23, 2008, 12:57:09 PM
Limas Sweed measured in at 6'4 216 at the Combine.
Todd Pinkston, as of the last measurables I could find, was 6'3 180. I don't get it.
Hes soft like Pinkston, imo he shouldt go higher than 2nd round.
Gotcha.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 22, 2008, 10:51:22 PM
later?...after the green bay game id say it already is later...you cant miss on a return guy...where as you can whiff on a wr very easily as the eagles have proved time and again...id rather have desean who has the biggest upside of any wr and if he sucks hes still a given as a return man...the other guys suck as wr's the entire pick is down the drain
Later in the draft I meant. Desean Jackson is a one of a kind return man, but you can still get a very solid return man later in the draft. This draft is going to have a bunch. You have a point, but I just don't think Jackson is going to be a very good WR in this league. I like Sweed's size and Hardy's size. I want a big target for McNabb. Someone who can go up and get a ball and is a nice end zone target.
Jackson is Steve Smith
I consider Steve Smith the best WR in the NFL, so I highly disagree. He may have the same build and size, but Steve Smith is highly dominant. Jackson has never consistently dominated DBs in the passing game.
Smith was a PR/KR who had to earn a WR job with Carolina. He was a 3rd round pick, who only played 2 years at Div I level. He made a name for himself.
I'm not agreeing with the comparison, but you can't discount it either.
Well if Jackson can become the next Steve Smith, then James Hardy could just as easily become the next Plaxico Burress.
Quote from: King Cole on March 23, 2008, 10:50:41 PM
Well if Jackson can become the next Steve Smith, then James Hardy could just as easily become the next Plaxico Burress.
Ill pass then on Plexiglass
Phreak, thats exactly what im comparing him to. Jackson is crazy like smith, he's looked at as a PR/KR guy at first with skills to learn WR. He's more gifted than what Steve Smith had at his point, the question about him is his drive, does he want to be the best, and take the time to learn the trade.
I don't proclaim to be a draft expert, nor do I claim to have watched Jackson for every game he's played. I haven't. But I did watch a good share of Cal games over the past couple years, and he never really stood out to me as that dominant guy. Has he for you? Maybe he has, I don't know. To each his own.
It seemed to me like he'd have one really good game, and then he'd be near invisible for about 3/4 games. I don't want a receiver who isn't going to show up week to week.
Maybe there isn't that guy available this year. All I know is what I see, and Hardy was a FORCE in the red zone. He pulled down a ton of TDs this year, and that was the issue with the Eagles' offense.
His game is very similar Cole, all predicated on speed. Smith was an average receiver coming out of college, and had to spend time in juco. Jackson has elite speed, and needs to learn the WR postion.
Steve Smith is the best receiver in the NFL?
What the farg?
Quote from: King Cole on March 24, 2008, 01:45:03 AM
I don't proclaim to be a draft expert, nor do I claim to have watched Jackson for every game he's played. I haven't. But I did watch a good share of Cal games over the past couple years, and he never really stood out to me as that dominant guy. Has he for you? Maybe he has, I don't know. To each his own.
It seemed to me like he'd have one really good game, and then he'd be near invisible for about 3/4 games. I don't want a receiver who isn't going to show up week to week.
Maybe there isn't that guy available this year. All I know is what I see, and Hardy was a FORCE in the red zone. He pulled down a ton of TDs this year, and that was the issue with the Eagles' offense.
limas sweed is slow as crap (actually reminds me a lot of mike williams)...james hardy beats women and hasnt run a pattern since pop warner...none of these wr's is elite (including jackson)or they would be top ten locks...and im not even saying they should take a wr but if they do i think desean jackson is the clear pick...id rather go down swinging for once and take the guy with the upside the crazy athlete for once instead of the solid workmalike player that he eagles always seem to love...i want trent coles not victor abiamiris
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 24, 2008, 08:32:30 AM
limas sweed is slow as crap (actually reminds me a lot of mike williams)...james hardy beats women and hasnt run a pattern since pop warner...none of these wr's is elite (including jackson)or they would be top ten locks...and im not even saying they should take a wr but if they do i think desean jackson is the clear pick...id rather go down swinging for once and take the guy with the upside the crazy athlete for once instead of the solid workmalike player that he eagles always seem to love...i want trent coles not victor abiamiris
YES!!!
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 24, 2008, 08:32:30 AM
limas sweed is slow as crap (actually reminds me a lot of mike williams)...james hardy beats women and hasnt run a pattern since pop warner...none of these wr's is elite (including jackson)or they would be top ten locks...and im not even saying they should take a wr but if they do i think desean jackson is the clear pick...id rather go down swinging for once and take the guy with the upside the crazy athlete for once instead of the solid workmalike player that he eagles always seem to love...i want trent coles not victor abiamiris
You'll get nothing and like it.
I can't wait for the TV repair bill after they take Dan Connor.
Quote from: Rome on March 24, 2008, 08:22:08 AM
Steve Smith is the best receiver in the NFL?
What the farg?
People forget how damn good he is after Carolina's struggles lately. When Delhomme gets good protection and his healthy, Steve Smith is damn near unstoppable. He gets open with such ease. Remember that 2005 playoffs? Everyone knew exactly where Carolina was going and still couldn't stop it.
Smith, whether he's the best or not, is a game-changing stud wide receiver.
He was drafted in the 3rd round due to concerns about his size making most scouts think he'd be stuck on special teams his whole career.
DeSean Jackson out of school makes Smith look like Jason Avant, so if you like Smith, you should be rooting hard for the Eagles to do whatever it takes to nab Jackson.
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There was so much reaction to the trade last year with Dallas, but now step back and look at the trade. Dallas acquired linebacker Anthony Spencer with the 26th pick overall. The Eagles moved into the second round and took quarterback Kevin Kolb, then came back in the third round and selected Bradley. A later draft pick on safety C.J. Gaddis didn't work out, so the end net/net is Spencer vs. Kolb and Bradley.
I don't know much about Spencer, other than a story I read the other day suggesting that he needs to be better in year two than in year one. I know that Bradley looked like the real deal last year and is going to have a chance to start this season. I know that Kolb was extremely impressive in the preseason and that he appears to have a very bright future in front of him.
Now, the other point of view from that trade – other than the one that expressed concern about trading with the hated Cowboys – is that the Eagles bypassed immediate help by moving out of the first round and then by selecting Kolb in round two. Looking back, I'm not sure there were players on the board who proved to be difference makers. Chicago tight end Greg Olsen is a fine player, but is he that much better than Brent Celek, taken in round five?
haha, is Greg Olsen better than Brent Celek...wow
yeah unreal
i also love how bradley makes one play in a meaningless late season game and hes the 'real deal'....and kolb whos only ever practiced during an nfl regular season has a "bright future" but spencer apparently sucks
That's a direct reply to several comments I made about the trade last year.
The Eagles could trade away a player destined to be a 15 year pro-bowler and he'd still find an angle to justify it. farging retarded.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 24, 2008, 08:32:30 AM
Quote from: King Cole on March 24, 2008, 01:45:03 AM
I don't proclaim to be a draft expert, nor do I claim to have watched Jackson for every game he's played. I haven't. But I did watch a good share of Cal games over the past couple years, and he never really stood out to me as that dominant guy. Has he for you? Maybe he has, I don't know. To each his own.
It seemed to me like he'd have one really good game, and then he'd be near invisible for about 3/4 games. I don't want a receiver who isn't going to show up week to week.
Maybe there isn't that guy available this year. All I know is what I see, and Hardy was a FORCE in the red zone. He pulled down a ton of TDs this year, and that was the issue with the Eagles' offense.
.id rather go down swinging for once and take the guy with the upside the crazy athlete for once instead of the solid workmalike player that he eagles always seem to love...i want trent coles not victor abiamiris
I agree with this...EXCEPT for at WR. This team can't draft WR's for shtein, and if they're going to draft one in needs to be a can't miss stud...because I no longer trust Andy Reid to develop a young WR in this offense. Reggie Brown has been his biggest success and he's a #2 WR at best.
Quote from: FastFreddie on March 24, 2008, 10:40:18 AM
I can't wait for the TV repair bill after they take Dan Connor.
(http://angam.ang.univie.ac.at/class/ko/Roseanne/pics/dan%20working.jpg)
He was a stud until that knee injury.
Quote from: Munson on March 24, 2008, 05:56:21 PM
and if they're going to draft one in needs to be a can't miss stud
No such thing. At any position.
Ever.
Quote from: methdeez on March 24, 2008, 07:07:16 PM
Quote from: Munson on March 24, 2008, 05:56:21 PM
and if they're going to draft one in needs to be a can't miss stud
No such thing. At any position.
Ever.
Calvin Johnson.
He is still the #2 receiver on that team, and he was far from being a stud last year.
He was still highly regarded as a can't miss pick, and he still pretty much was. No one expects any rookie WR to come in and be in the pro bowl, no matter what their pedigree. Randy Moss and Anquan Boldin are the exceptions, not the rule. He'll have a better year this year if healthy and will probably eventually overtake Roy Williams as the #1 WR there.
What about Devin Thomas and Malcom Kelly? IMO, that's what the Eagles need at WR.
if we stay around 19 and pick desean, and all he does it return kicks to the 37, success. better than signing a farging qb, lb, oline project. if we trade lito for a 2 or 3 or 4, i can't see andy reid resisting not packaging that and our 1 to move up and pick a l or r tackle.
Quote from: pinoyboy2pt0 on March 25, 2008, 12:17:38 AM
if we stay around 19 and pick desean, and all he does it return kicks to the 37, success. better than signing a farging qb, lb, oline project.
exactly...its such a simple concept and one that everyone seems to get except for munson
I'd rather not spend a first round pick on a return guy who has "potential" to be a good NFL WR. Because in this offense god knows that "potential" won't be reached.
Quote from: Munson on March 25, 2008, 04:49:32 PM
I'd rather not spend a first round pick on a return guy who has "potential" to be a good NFL WR.
this is where youre confused and get it backwards
hes a wr with huge potential who is already a return man
as opposed to other wr's with less of a ceiling who will never be return men
if you dont want a wr at all then thats totally understandable and a fair point...but if you go wr at 19 i dont see how you dont go desean if youre the eagles
You're completely missing the point. Don't the Eagles also have a dire need for a "return guy" anyway?
They have 2 more than adequate PRs on the roster. Brian Westbrook, and Lito Sheppard.
Quote from: FastFreddie on March 25, 2008, 04:55:36 PM
You're completely missing the point. Don't the Eagles also have a dire need for a "return guy" anyway?
yes which is one of the reasons why hes the best wr option in the first round...didnt i just say that?
if your main concern is return man theres plenty of guys you can take on day two for that
I think your stretching quite a bit for Jackson being a top flight potential receiver at 5'9. His best bet to excel would be in a Wes Welker role on the Patriots, or a Mike Martz system.
In the Eagles system, he would be sorely under utilized in the passing game. Return game..no question..but would they throw a pick out there just for that?
Quote from: reese125 on March 25, 2008, 05:10:20 PM
but would they throw a pick out there just for that?
no they wouldnt
his athleticism alone gives him a chance to be a great wr...but as i said the other day none of these guys are locks to be great wr's however desean gets the nod because of his athleticism and return ability
if you dont think theres a wr worthy of the 19th pick then thats fine
if you hate desean jackson thats fine to
but munson seems to believe hes a return man that might play wr and i was trying to explain its the other way around...hes a highly rated wr in this draft who can also be a great return man...hes not rated in the first round because of his return game
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 25, 2008, 04:54:08 PM
Quote from: Munson on March 25, 2008, 04:49:32 PM
I'd rather not spend a first round pick on a return guy who has "potential" to be a good NFL WR.
this is where youre confused and get it backwards
hes a wr with huge potential who is already a return man
as opposed to other wr's with less of a ceiling who will never be return men
if you dont want a wr at all then thats totally understandable and a fair point...but if you go wr at 19 i dont see how you dont go desean if youre the eagles
I completely agree that IF they go WR at 19, then yes, Jackson should be the pick.
But no, i don't not want them drafting a WR that early in the draft unless it's a guy who is one of the studs of the draft...like a Calvin Johnson last year, or Roy Williams when he came out, or Andre Johnson, etc....guys that are seen as coming right in and being good WR's. And there really aren't those types of players at WR in this draft. I just do not trust this team with developing any WR's anymore...the offense has apparently proven too complex for rookie WR's to get it. Reggie Brown's the closest they've come and he's pretty average.
And I don't want them drafting in the first round with the thinking of "at least we'll improve the return game". I'd rather them wait til later in the draft to get a guy who returns kicks. There are plenty of guys in this draft that will be worlds better then Reno Mahe. Use the first round pick on something else that could use improvement....a young safety for when Dawk leaves, trade up to get one of the star DE's if you can...something along those lines.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 25, 2008, 05:00:58 PM
Quote from: FastFreddie on March 25, 2008, 04:55:36 PM
You're completely missing the point. Don't the Eagles also have a dire need for a "return guy" anyway?
yes which is one of the reasons why hes the best wr option in the first round...didnt i just say that?
if your main concern is return man theres plenty of guys you can take on day two for that
My post was directed at Munson, actually.
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no they wouldnt
his athleticism alone gives him a chance to be a great wr...but as i said the other day none of these guys are locks to be great wr's however desean gets the nod because of his athleticism and return ability
if you dont think theres a wr worthy of the 19th pick then thats fine
if you hate desean jackson thats fine to
but munson seems to believe hes a return man that might play wr and i was trying to explain its the other way around...hes a highly rated wr in this draft who can also be a great return man...hes not rated in the first round because of his return game
I dont hate on Jackson one bit, as a matter of fact...any player with that kind of athletic ability I respect
I just dont see the WR potential in him on
this team like you do, and mainly because of his size going up against the taller corners in the league.
There are stud WR at 6'0, but 5'9 is a huge disadvantage in the NFL, and a liability blocking on the edge. I think he would be situational at best here in Philly
Okay I see where the split here is then.
IGY and others think he'll contribute more at WR then I do. I think he has a chance to, but I just really don't trust Reid and the coaches with young WR's much.
Returner is my main concern, in which case I think they can get one later in the draft.
I think it's cute that any of you think for a second that the Eagles are going to draft a receiver at 19 especially if there's an offensive or defensive lineman available there (which there will be - count on it).
Quote from: Rome on March 25, 2008, 06:15:15 PM
I think it's cute that any of you think for a second that the Eagles are going to draft a receiver at 19 especially if there's an offensive or defensive lineman available there (which there will be - count on it).
actually considering they tried to sign moss and trade for fitz, they might actually be desperate enough for a WR that they give him a try.
or maybe thats me being delusional.
Quote from: Magical_Retard on March 25, 2008, 06:34:33 PM
or maybe thats me being delusional.
Trying to predict what player the Eagles will draft is dilusional, so don't sweat it.
Quote from: Magical_Retard on March 25, 2008, 06:34:33 PM
Quote from: Rome on March 25, 2008, 06:15:15 PM
I think it's cute that any of you think for a second that the Eagles are going to draft a receiver at 19 especially if there's an offensive or defensive lineman available there (which there will be - count on it).
actually considering they tried to sign moss and trade for fitz, they might actually be desperate enough for a WR that they give him a try.
or maybe thats me being delusional.
Signing Moss or trading for Fitzgerald does not show desparation. Reaching for a starter at 19 does.
The Eagles have their starters at WR. They think Curtis & Brown are "fine". The only reason they went after Moss is because they knew he wasn't going anywhere.
It was a PR stunt, plain and simple. And they never had any intention of going after Fitzgerald either.
Brown & Curtis are the starters and Avant, Baskett & Lewis are the backups. They might sign someone to replace 3-4-5 but anyone hoping for anything more is deluding themselves.
Quote from: Rome on March 25, 2008, 10:46:39 PM
The only reason they went after Moss is because they knew he wasn't going anywhere.
Wrong.
Quote from: Rome on March 25, 2008, 10:46:39 PM
And they never had any intention of going after Fitzgerald either.
Right.
QuoteEagles | Molden to work out for team
Thu, 27 Mar 2008 10:15:33 -0700
Josh Buchanan, of NFLDraftBible.com, reports University of Eastern Kentucky CB Antwaun Molden will hold a private workout with the Philadelphia Eagles.
QuoteEagles | Team showing interest in Hemphill
Thu, 27 Mar 2008 11:09:45 -0700
Josh Buchanan, of NFLDraftBible.com, reports the Philadelphia Eagles are showing interest in Central Washington FS Chris Hemphill.
thats weird i was reading up on that hemphill cat last week...hes tall as shtein...i wanna say 6-6
I didn't know that stacked shtein that high.
a dude's name comes up twice in two weeks pre-draft time. that is weird.
because hes a small school guy who might go undrafted
hes a virtual unknown
Except even your dead grandma knows who he is now. The nice grandma.
Truth, we are going to see Curtis, Brown and Lewis. And maybe a bust first or second roud pick. I hope I'm wrong.
The good news is you usually are...
Like when?
look on the positive side...youre right more often than munson
Quote from: shorebird on March 28, 2008, 12:25:42 AM
Truth, we are going to see Curtis, Brown and Lewis. And maybe a bust first or second roud pick. I hope I'm wrong.
I would be shocked if they took one in the first. If they did I would like to see Hardy, Sweed, or Jackson.
19 is way early for hardy
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 28, 2008, 08:56:33 AM
look on the positive side...youre right more often than munson
I've got ass hairs that are right more often than munson, though.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 28, 2008, 09:10:10 AM
19 is way early for hardy
Probably agree... if he's there when #2 comes around though... snatches!
im not a fan of hardy at all but i wouldnt completely hate on him in the second round...i think hes totally one dimensional and that one dimension will be for the most part negated at the pro level
Fair point... he's not a burner, and I hate to even throw this tired ass cliche out there, but he's got that deceptive speed. On top of the obvious red zone advantage, I see him as a real weapon on that deep timing route down the sidelines they love so much because while he's not going to blow past the DB, he excels at going up and snatching the ball and should be able to do so over a lot of corners in the league from day 1...
I would still like Jackson over him because Jackson has a higher ceiling and of course the return abilities, but if they pass on him in the first, I think he's a good option in the 2nd.
I don't really like Hardy at 19 either, but I think he will be gone by the time they pick in the second. If they did take him I wouldn't be too disappointed. I have watched him and Sweed play quite a bit, I think both have the potential to be outstanding pros. That being said I know nothing.
1st: Jeff Otah
2nd: Donnie Avery
Im guessing the draft is gonna look something like that.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 27, 2008, 02:48:21 PM
thats weird i was reading up on that hemphill cat last week...hes tall as shtein...i wanna say 6-6
close....
QuoteNFL | Hemphill does limited work at Pro Day
Thu, 27 Mar 2008 22:53:53 -0700
Josh Buchanan, of NFLDraftBible.com, reports Central Washington FS Chris Hemphill measured a height of 6-foot-4 and a weight of 229 pounds at his Pro Day. He ran the 40-yard dash in the 4.6-second range and measured a 34-inch vertical jump and a 10-foot-3 broad jump.
the name is fitting......
Quote.J. Pesavento, of Next Level Scouting, reports Akron CB Reggie Corner measured a height of 5-foot-9 3/8 and a weight of 180 pounds at his Pro Day. His hands measured 8 1/2 inches and his arm length was 30 5/8 inches. He ran 10 yards in 1.56 seconds, 20 yards in 2.58 seconds and the 40-yard dash in 4.49 seconds. He ran the short shuttle in 4.03 seconds, the long shuttle in 11.46 seconds and the three-cone drill in 6.87 seconds. He measured a 36-inch vertical jump, a 10-foot broad jump and completed 15 repetitions on the 225-pound bench press.
Quote from: EagleFeva on March 28, 2008, 09:11:28 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 28, 2008, 08:56:33 AM
look on the positive side...youre right more often than munson
I've got ass hairs that are right more often than munson, though.
HA!
Oh well, I've always thoght a man has to be smart enough to know that he doesn't know everything. Not to many people around here think that way.
Jackson please.
I'd take a chance on a guy like Hardy in the 2nd...even if he's a flat out bust it will fit the birds mold of crappy 2nd rounders.
Don't draft Heath Benedict.
It hasn't been a good year for Heaths
Sportscenter's draft preview will focus on the Eagles today
would that be "on the clock"?
yeah, that segment with Mike, Merril, Mort and Mel
Do you know what time?
on the six oclock sports center
Danke Herr Havas.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 28, 2008, 09:10:10 AM
19 is way early for hardy
And Sweed.
If the Eagles take a WR at 19 it better be Jackson or Devin Thomas. I like Thomas a lot more but he's only had one good year. I wouldn't complain about either.
Along with the "On the Clock" segment comes this Scouts Inc. breakdown (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3317222).
Apparently the Eagles need a wide receiver. Who knew?
i cant believe how much we talk about something that has no chance of happening...somewhere romey is proud
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 28, 2008, 02:45:39 PM
i cant believe how much we talk about something that has no chance of happening...somewhere romey is proud
Your right, but what else is there to talk about? I guess we could discuss which linemen they will take. I think most of the top offensive linemen will be off the board though.
im not complaining...in fact im probably most guilty...it just pisses romey off to no end and that makes me happy
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on March 28, 2008, 03:17:35 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 28, 2008, 02:45:39 PM
i cant believe how much we talk about something that has no chance of happening...somewhere romey is proud
Your right, but what else is there to talk about? I guess we could discuss which linemen they will take. I think most of the top offensive linemen will be off the board though.
They can still use Lito to trade up, don't worry.
Has ESPN ever even correctly guessed a position correctly that the Eagles are going to draft in the first round?
Quote from: King Cole on March 28, 2008, 04:03:45 PM
Has ESPN ever even correctly guessed a position correctly that the Eagles are going to draft in the first round?
Have you ever even correctly tried to off yourself correctly?
Quote from: FastFreddie on March 28, 2008, 04:15:27 PM
Quote from: King Cole on March 28, 2008, 04:03:45 PM
Has ESPN ever even correctly guessed a position correctly that the Eagles are going to draft in the first round?
Have you ever even correctly tried to off yourself correctly?
I don't think these are correctly worded correctly.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 28, 2008, 02:45:39 PM
i cant believe how much we talk about something that has no chance of happening...somewhere romey is proud
I was at a golf tournament this afternoon. Free tickets, free booze, free food, tons of hotties and it was 76 degrees and sunny as a motherfarger too.
Other than the actual golf tournament thing, it totally ruled, as do I.
anyone watching sportscenter...they just ran a teaser saying how mort is gonna tell us that donovan has maybe played his last game as an eagle
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 28, 2008, 06:13:07 PM
anyone watching sportscenter...they just ran a teaser saying how mort is gonna tell us that donovan has maybe played his last game as an eagle
Probably something about the Ravens or Bears offering picks. Most likely pure speculation and misinformation, an ESPN specialty.
thats exactly what he said...to his credit tho he said it was his own speculation...he didnt drop a someone i trust or insiders told me that mcnabb might get dealt
he said i wouldnt be surprised to see a balt or chi make a run for mcnabb on draft day
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 28, 2008, 11:03:45 PM
thats exactly what he said...to his credit tho he said it was his own speculation...he didnt drop a someone i trust or insiders told me that mcnabb might get dealt
he said i wouldnt be surprised to see a balt or chi make a run for mcnabb on draft day
In the "on the clock" thing on the 6pm SportsCenter, about half the time was spent on that same conjecture. More on McNabb than on the draft.
oh thats exactly what im talking about...i didnt realize you saw the on the clock johnson
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 28, 2008, 11:29:56 PM
oh thats exactly what im talking about...i didnt realize you saw the on the clock johnson
Dang, sorry - didn't notice the time stamp on your post. Thought it was the late SportsCenter you were talking about.
I got irritated over how ESPN was covering it and tuned out. Cover the draft strategy, idiots.
They'll need to draft all offense, linemen and playmakers both, if they trade McNabb.
I would be pissed. I'm looking for a run in 2008, and McNabb is the best guy to do it.
I agree with the zealot.
Kolb's not ready and A.J. isn't the guy to lead this team to a Denny's much less a Super Bowl.
Moons over My Hammy--get yourself some
I already shtein thrice today. Pass.
I'm up to twice, no more coffee or bacon until tomorrow, sadly
I had wings last night and they put the chernobyl hot sauce on them. They taste good going down but the next day your arse feels like it has lava flowing out of it.
Still worth it, though.
FWIW, Spadaro thinks Devin Thomas and Hardy would have an immediate impact if the Eagles drafted them, DeSean would have one on special teams only, and Kelly would be an unknown...
Translation:
-They won't trade up for DeSean, and probably wouldn't even draft him at 19. Same for Kelly
-Devin Thomas is a possibility at 19.
-If they don't go WR in the 1st, they may trade up in the 2nd for Hardy.
Yuck.
Devin Thomas is an intriguing prospect, the only thing is he is a 1 year wonder. 19 seems way too early for him though.
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 01, 2008, 12:32:55 PM
Translation:
-They won't trade up for DeSean, and probably wouldn't even draft him at 19. Same for Kelly
-Devin Thomas is a possibility at 19.
-If they don't go WR in the 1st, they may trade up in the 2nd for Hardy.
Yuck.
Yuck? Thomas and Hardy are the best possible choices for this team IMO. I'd take both over Jackson in a heartbeat.
You don't like their games?
SLOW BIG TEN
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 01, 2008, 08:49:48 PM
SLOW BIG TEN
That statement isn't quite as true as it was 5 years ago. Really it doesn't matter though, you look at the SEC probably the fastest conference in the nation, they don't exactly produce an abundance of NFL WRs either. 2 of the better WRs in the NFL are from the Big 10, Burress and Edwards...granted both were top ten picks. EIther way I don't care where the guy is from as long as he can make plays.
todd mcshays new mock is out and he has the eagles with branden albert in round one and early doucet in round two
i dont think theres much of a chance of albert being there at 19 but id be thrilled with that pick if he fell...you could plug him right into herremans spot for the next 10 years...andrews albert combo would be ridiculous
Hoffman revisits the Britt Hager trade and speculates on some Eagles draft day moves (http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/20080402_Rich_Hofmann__Eagles_charting_a_course_in_NFL_draft.html)
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Quote from: ice grillin you on April 02, 2008, 08:08:55 AM
i dont think theres much of a chance of albert being there at 19 but id be thrilled with that pick if he fell...you could plug him right into herremans spot for the next 10 years...andrews albert combo would be ridiculous
Now you want an offensive lineman? You're an enigma wrapped in a riddle, buddy.
wasnt aware that you had to lock yourself into a specific player or position prior to the draft
if i can get the best interior lineman in the draft at 19 and fill a need position at the same time id be all over it
But getting a great exterior offensive lineman is a non-starter?
there are no great tackles at 19...none of them would start next year nor would i want them to...and then you have people like williams who wouldnt be ready for possibly a couple years...however if jake long is there at 19 by all means take him
The Eagles taking a developmental offensive lineman in the first round would be a slap in the face to all those who consider themselves Eagles fans. This could very well be Donovan's last shot in Philly. They owe it to him to get as many weapons between now and September as possible. I don't care if they have to draft five wide receivers in the first four rounds. Odds are they'd hit on at least one of them and that's what this team needs more than anything. Hell, I'd even go so far as to say draft all offensive skill position players in the first three rounds and then see who sticks because everyone but Westbrook, Curtis & Brown currently on the team are more than expendable, and that includes L.J., Hunt, Buck, Avant, & Baskett.
Take the best available wide receiver at 19 or package some of your picks and move up if you have to. If there is another playmaker available early in the second round, then trade Lito and go up and get him. Then take another at your pick in the second round, even if that pick is a running back or say Fred Davis from USC.
Whatever.
Just no more offensive linemen early, please. Next year? Fine. No problem. But not this year.
Mike Mayock and several other places I've read have all said basically there is no way Albert makes it past the Eagles pick. Some teams think he can play OT in the NFL and he would be the 3rd OT drafted.
i dont think he makes it there either and was shocked to see mcshay think he may be
Quote from: Rome on April 02, 2008, 09:47:12 AM
The Eagles taking a developmental offensive lineman in the first round would be a slap in the face...
etc etc blah blah
Whatever.
Just no more offensive linemen early, please. Next year? Fine. No problem. But not this year.
I hear you. I think IGY's distinction is the difference between a guy who would be an immediate upgrade in the same vein as Shawn Andrews was to be in 2004 (oopsie on the broken leg) and a guy looked as developmental.
Is there an offensive lineman who'd be available at 19 or even in the top 10-19 who would immediately step in as a starter over anyone already there?
I can see them drafting an offensive lineman, obviously, but I think they have to roll the dice with the five starters they already have and draft skill guys in 2008. If it's an 8-8 disaster again then this thing is getting blown up anyway, and Runyan & Thomas will likely be out in 2009. Then you start to rebuild with a new offensive line and Kolb at QB.
Draft skill guys now to take one more shot at a Super Bowl. If it doesn't work out, then fine, start to rebuild with Kolbsy and a new offensive line.
Branden Albert is on ESPN First Take right now.
Quote from: Rome on April 02, 2008, 11:15:59 AM
Is there an offensive lineman who'd be available at 19 or even in the top 10-19 who would immediately step in as a starter over anyone already there?
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 02, 2008, 08:08:55 AM
i dont think theres much of a chance of albert being there at 19 but id be thrilled with that pick if he fell...you could plug him right into herremans spot for the next 10 years...andrews albert combo would be ridiculous
Quote from: Rome on April 02, 2008, 11:15:59 AM
Is there an offensive lineman who'd be available at 19 or even in the top 10-19 who would immediately step in as a starter over anyone already there?
I can see them drafting an offensive lineman, obviously, but I think they have to roll the dice with the five starters they already have and draft skill guys in 2008. If it's an 8-8 disaster again then this thing is getting blown up anyway, and Runyan & Thomas will likely be out in 2009. Then you start to rebuild with a new offensive line and Kolb at QB.
Draft skill guys now to take one more shot at a Super Bowl. If it doesn't work out, then fine, start to rebuild with Kolbsy and a new offensive line.
IGY said Albert would be an upgrade over wost manneans (and presumably MJG).
Albert's value seems to be all over the place. Kiper has him going at 5 to KC, right? Other mocks have him going in the late first round. War Room Report has him going at 23 to the Stillers and Scouts Notebook (goeagles99 from the EMB) has him going at 15 to the Lions.
Who knows?
http://gcobb.com/content/view/1251/1/
QuoteEagles Looking To Trade Up In 1st
Written by Garry Cobb
Wednesday, 02 April 2008
I've spoken to a source that told me that the Eagles will look to use cornerback Lito Sheppard in a trade that would allow them to move up in the first round of the draft. Apparently, they really want an offensive tackle and don't believe their guy will last until #19.
It's well known that the Eagles want to unload the unhappy corner, but early reports were that they wanted a high-end wide receiver in return. With just about all of those options exhausted, I'm hearing that he will be used to improve draft position.
Andy Reid and company have proven in the past that they aren't afraid to move up in the first round to get a lineman. In 2003, the Eagles traded halfway up the first round from the #30 slot to the #15 slot to take Miami DE Jerome McDougle. The following year in 2004, they traded up to the #16 position and nabbed Arkansas offensive lineman Shawn Andrews.
Clearly the offensive tackle which the Eagles are after is Chris Williams of Vanderbilt or Jeff Otah of Pittsburgh. This guys are both slated to go in the first round and they have been moving up on the board. With Jon Runyan and William Thomas getting near the end of their careers the Birds need to have somebody to replace them.
i will be pissed if all they get for lito is to move up a few draft slots (yes i know they will get some sort of low round pick(s) as well)
I second that to the highest degree
That is literally a fold your hands and pray move.
The eagles have so many more draft picks than they can keep already, I can't imagine them using a player to move up when they could use 2nds, 3rds, 4ths, etc.
To me nothing is worth trading Lito for except an active player.
They're too incompetent to get a player for him, as we've already seen, and they want to unload him. Get ready for that offensive lineman.
...preferably one with two first names like Branden Albert.
The only way I wouldn't be pissed if they traded Lito to move up would be to get someone like McKelvin or Gholston. Other than that it just doesn't seem worth it. As far as Albert goes, I think there is a decent shot at him being there when they pick. Including him there are 5 linemen that are surefire 1st rounders so there is a good chance that one will be available.
Lito will be traded so that the Eagles can move up and grab someone who would have been available at 19 anyway. The sooner we come to peace with that inevitability, the better for our mental health.
truth
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 02, 2008, 05:50:44 PM
...preferably one with two first names like Branden Albert.
He'll probably just change his last name anyway.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 02, 2008, 02:33:34 PM
i will be pissed if all they get for lito is to move up a few draft slots (yes i know they will get some sort of low round pick(s) as well)
Yep.
And even worse if they trade up for a goddamn OT.
But I am preparing myself for that, because it will happen.
Reid saying the weapons were "pretty good" cinched it for me. They're going O-Line or D-Line for sure.
FASTBALLZZZZ!!
Quote from: Rome on April 02, 2008, 09:29:51 PM
Reid saying the weapons were "pretty good" cinched it for me. They're going O-Line or D-Line for sure.
I'm 95% sure they're going O-line with the first pick. I leave the 5% margin in the rare case someone falls they just can't pass up.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on April 02, 2008, 10:09:27 PM
Quote from: Rome on April 02, 2008, 09:29:51 PM
Reid saying the weapons were "pretty good" cinched it for me. They're going O-Line or D-Line for sure.
I'm 95% sure they're going O-line with the first pick. I leave the 5% margin in the rare case someone falls they just can't pass up.
Like Matt Ryan?
After that flyers penguins game tonight, i don't care if reid draft fargs a twinkie with the 19th pick. just put in downie and run crosby.
we probably will trade lito to move up from 19 to 16 and get a zesty ot and some awesome 5th and 6th rounders for 2011 that we'll probably spend on a fourth place olympic cup stacker.
The only way trading Lito to move up is worth it, is if they can get into the top 8. If they can get into the top 8, then they better take Gholston.
I really hope this is all them blowing smoke out their asses, because these scenarios make me want to break things.
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 02, 2008, 05:50:44 PM
...preferably one with two first names like Branden Albert.
Awesome, time to order up one of those blue and yellow jerseys with his name on it.
I was just listening to Ray Diddinger on WIP and he said don't be surprised if the Eagles trade up for Glenn Dorsey or Sedrick Ellis if either on of them falls out of the top ten. He thinks the Eagles are thin there. He also said if the Eagles stay put at 19, he expects them to go DB.
Even though adding Ellis or Dorsey seems to be overkill, I wouldn't be against it. Hard to explain why.
I think at this point, DB at 19 would be a mistake unless it is Cromartie, McKelvin or Jenkins. No one else is worth it, maybe Talib.
Quote from: NGM on April 05, 2008, 12:20:28 PM
I was just listening to Ray Diddinger on WIP and he said don't be surprised if the Eagles trade up for Glenn Dorsey or Sedrick Ellis if either on of them falls out of the top ten. He thinks the Eagles are thin there. He also said if the Eagles stay put at 19, he expects them to go DB.
Ellis or Dorsey woudn't be bad at all, though I think the chance of one of them falling out of the top ten is slim to none. As far as DB I don't see anybody of value that will likely be there other than Phillips.
Phillips isn't good value at 19. He should be a 2nd rounder, but will be picked in the 1st since the safeties are terrible this year. I like him and would be all over him at pick 47 or whatever it is, but if you spend a top 20 pick on a safety he better be a hell of an athlete, hell of a hitter, or a ballhawk. He's not any of those things.
Quote from: Dillen on April 05, 2008, 02:32:26 PM
Phillips isn't good value at 19. He should be a 2nd rounder, but will be picked in the 1st since the safeties are terrible this year. I like him and would be all over him at pick 47 or whatever it is, but if you spend a top 20 pick on a safety he better be a hell of an athlete, hell of a hitter, or a ballhawk. He's not any of those things.
I have to be honest I didn't see him play at all this past season, but I did watch him quite a few times 2 years ago. Judging from that he looked like a guy that could be a real player in this league.
DeSean was in town last night and will be here today too (http://blogs.tampabay.com/bucs/2008/04/cal-wr-desean-j.html) :yay
I like the fact that Jerry Rice endorses the guy. I don't know if he will ever be anything other than a returner and a gimmick player on offense, but I sure hope he ends up becoming an Eagle.
Quote from: BigEd76 on April 08, 2008, 12:19:19 AM
DeSean was in town last night and will be here today too (http://blogs.tampabay.com/bucs/2008/04/cal-wr-desean-j.html) :yay
So, I guess we can pencil in Otah?? Or at the very least eliminate Jackson as a possibility.
Quote from: Munson on April 08, 2008, 07:02:06 AM
Or at the very least eliminate Jackson as a possibility.
Considering last year Kolb, Hunt and Barksdale all came to Philadelphia for a visit...no, don't eliminate Jackson.
19 (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/ot/jeffotah.html)
49 (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/c/mikepollak.html)
80 (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/s/tomzbikowski.html)
115 (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/og/mackenzybernadeau.html)
131 (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/olb/bryankehl.html)
152 (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/olb/mikehumpal.html)
184 (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/wr/dorienbryant.html)
191 (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/fb/carlstewart.html)
200 (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/cb/brianwitherspoon.html)
203 (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/ot/brandonkeith.html)
230 (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/dt/mauricemurray.html)
:boom :boom :boom
Jeff Otah's bio is less than impressive:
QuoteStrengths:
Has outstanding size with a huge frame and long arms...Great athlete with terrific quickness...Very light on his feet...Extremely strong and powerful...Is physical and aggressive...Mobile with nice range...Has a good initial punch..Shows the ability to recover when beat...Offers some versatility...Still improving and has major upside.
Weaknesses:
Very raw and might be a bit of a project...Has some trouble with quickness...Hand use is sub par...Does not always play with proper leverage...He needs to work on getting in better shape...Work ethic and desire have been questioned...Has some trouble with power...Only has two years of experience against top DI competition.
PASS
Quote from: SunMo on April 08, 2008, 03:20:29 PM
Jeff Otah's bio is less than impressive:
QuoteStrengths:
Great athlete with terrific quickness...
Weaknesses:
Has some trouble with quickness...
Did Steuber write that?
my favorite part is that three different strengths are "terrific quickness, light on feet, mobile with nice range"
basically they tried to say the same things as many times as possible.
But he also has trouble with quickness. And power. And staying in shape.
I wonder if he also likes to purchase the company of slootz like Justice.
Quote from: PhillyandBCEagles on April 08, 2008, 03:01:48 PM
19 (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/ot/jeffotah.html)
49 (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/c/mikepollak.html)
80 (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/s/tomzbikowski.html)
115 (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/og/mackenzybernadeau.html)
131 (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/olb/bryankehl.html)
152 (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/olb/mikehumpal.html)
184 (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/wr/dorienbryant.html)
191 (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/fb/carlstewart.html)
200 (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/cb/brianwitherspoon.html)
203 (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/ot/brandonkeith.html)
230 (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/dt/mauricemurray.html)
:boom :boom :boom
How are you going to get mad at a mock draft?
Did you just become a Philadelphia fan yesterday??
Also, because we're going to actually end up taking half those guys
Hell I won't even be surprised if we draft that dude that died
Calm down there guy, don't take it out on me. I have already come to terms with the fact they are taking at least 5 offensive linemen.
Lies.
They're taking 10 quarterbacks and a kicker.
Try coming up with a defense to stop that formation!
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 08, 2008, 03:27:41 PM
Did Steuber write that?
Scott Wright did...all the same.
No, the mock I posted has it all.
4 OLs including 3 of the first 4 picks.
A white DB and a white LB.
A LB from BYU.
2 D2 players including a third round OG.
4 guys with 2 first names.
Seriously, it has it all.
That might not be as sarcastic as one would think.
QuoteEAGLES CONTINUE RECEIVER QUEST
Posted by Mike Florio on April 9, 2008, 10:38 a.m.
With efforts to sign Randy Moss and trade for Larry Fitzgerald flat-out failing, the Philadelphia Eagles apparently are considering the possibility of using their first-round pick in the draft on a field-stretching pass-catcher.
On Tuesday, Cal receiver DeSean Jackson visited with the Eagles. Though on the smallish side at five-foot-ten and 169 pounds, his 4.35-second speed in the 40 could be the kind of thing that helps unlock the team's West Coast attack, by drawing the safeties deep and opening up the underneath stuff.
And so what about Jackson's size? Remember, this is the team that once relied on Todd Pinkston, the human pretzel rod. Besides, Steve Smith of the Panthers is listed at five-foot-nine, which means he's more like five-foot-seven.
Though there's a chance that the Eagles are only blowing smoke, they clearly want to upgrade at the receiver position. With all options via trade and free agency likely exhausted (unless the Lions opt to move Roy Williams), Jackson might be the best bet.
Todd Pinkston, the human pretzel rod.
lmao
So DeSean is Bloom, but a better receiver and maybe a tad faster. I'm okay but not as a first rounder...too much of a gamble with his size, durability...I'd rather have a soild #1 pick, no concerns
Quote from: mussa on April 09, 2008, 11:10:35 AM
So DeSean is Bloom
lol jesus....NO
how the hell would even put those two in the same sentence
bloom is farging skier...desean jackson is a first round nfl draft pick
hes way closer to devin hester than jeremy bloom
I'm still pissed they even wasted a draft pick on Jeremy Bloom.
The comedy that ensued afterward was worth the pick.
^^^^^
truth
does it even matter who we draft anymore? half of them will be cut before the season and most of the other half wont play for atleast two years. and even when they eventually do play they're as good as winston justice. a lot of people say "oh lito and a 1st round pick for a #1WR is too much to give up" thats total crap! you know the draft is a crap shoot and we usualy end up getting some bust.
You're gonna fit in here well, dude.
:-D
Quote from: MultipleScoregasims on April 09, 2008, 12:29:24 PM
does it even matter who we draft anymore? half of them will be cut before the season and most of the other half wont play for atleast two years. and even when they eventually do play they're as good as winston justice. a lot of people say "oh lito and a 1st round pick for a #1WR is too much to give up" thats total crap! you know the draft is a crap shoot and we usualy end up getting some bust.
Relax they will make up for it by signing 13 Rookie FAs, 3-4 of which will make the team. Seriously though with a 11 picks they should be able to find at least 1 player. Then again the Patriots drafted 9 last year and only 2 made the team.
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on April 09, 2008, 01:49:28 PM
Relax they will make up for it by signing 13 Rookie FAs, 3-4 of which will make the team. Seriously though with a 11 picks they should be able to find at least 1 player. Then again the Patriots drafted 9 last year and only 2 made the team.
yea but i want a contributer, someone who will be ready to play this year and make a difference and i have no faith that Reid would let any drafts start no matter how good they are. "they have to learn the system" like pass, pass, pass, punt is a system. theres got to be someone we can pull from another team with lito and 1st or second round picks. give me Boldin, Williams, Johnson any of them would be an offensive weapon. dont give me a defensive tackle and tell me he's our new FB. i'm not going to get excited about a FB unless your gonna tell me that we're gonna run more. which again isnt gonna happen because "its not our system".
Trade 11 picks for Roy Williams.
They can't say no to that.
Quote from: MultipleScoregasims on April 09, 2008, 12:29:24 PM
does it even matter who we draft anymore? half of them will be cut before the season and most of the other half wont play for atleast two years. and even when they eventually do play they're as good as winston justice. a lot of people say "oh lito and a 1st round pick for a #1WR is too much to give up" thats total crap! you know the draft is a crap shoot and we usualy end up getting some bust.
i like you.
Quote from: Don Ho on April 09, 2008, 04:17:43 PM
i like you.
Huzzah! I'm accepted...and i have 4 total posts now! i should be running this place soon.
what i like is that scoregasims sounds like ORGASIMS....
get it!?
Is that what happens when you have a sexy dance party with your kids?
more crying than anything really
Viagra should help with the crying, Mosy.
5'10, 169?
Holy shtein...
Would you rather he was 6'1" but a mediocre player? There are "big" receivers in this draft, too.
No I'm just surprised he hasn't been killed yet. If they do draft him I hope he doesn't get murdered by some 6'1 215 pound LB on the coverage team.
And also hating the fact that I'm short and white, thus hindering my ability to play college ball. I'm an inch shorter, a pound heavier, and I was only a tenth of a second slower when I graduated. That's probably up to like 3 seconds slower now but it's all good.
If only was 6'0 and black.
LOL...yeah, i'm sure you didn't make it to the big time because you were white...there hasn't been a good white player in what? 50 years?
Quote from: Munson on April 09, 2008, 07:37:48 PM
And also hating the fact that I'm short and white, thus hindering my ability to play college ball. I'm an inch shorter, a pound heavier, and I was only a tenth of a second slower when I graduated. That's probably up to like 3 seconds slower now but it's all good..
shut the farg up cranial lump...youre a farging acne scarred white trashed out guitar playing metalica listening parliament smoking douchebag who didnt even play high school football
Didn't you guys hug in when you met?
You obviously should have just indian-wrestled for supremecy right then and there.
Quote from: Munson on April 09, 2008, 07:37:48 PM
If only was 6'0 and black.
You'd get shot in the dick. On purpose.
Actually, I wouldn't rule that out as a potential outcome for you anyway.
Quote from: methdeez on April 09, 2008, 08:01:53 PM
Didn't you guys hug in when you met?
You obviously should have just indian-wrestled for supremecy right then and there.
never met that scumbag and never will...anyway he doesnt leave ma dooks basement
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 09, 2008, 07:48:49 PM
Quote from: Munson on April 09, 2008, 07:37:48 PM
And also hating the fact that I'm short and white, thus hindering my ability to play college ball. I'm an inch shorter, a pound heavier, and I was only a tenth of a second slower when I graduated. That's probably up to like 3 seconds slower now but it's all good..
shut the farg up cranial lump...youre a farging acne scarred white trashed out guitar playing metalica listening parliament smoking douchebag who didnt even play high school football
He was an AssBack. Everytime he ran out on the field, the coach said "MUNSON! Get your ass back on the bench!"
BTW, Metallica rocks.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 09, 2008, 07:48:49 PM
shut the farg up cranial lump...youre a farging acne scarred white trashed out guitar playing metalica listening parliament smoking douchebag who didnt even play high school football
Hey, Dont lump Paliaments and Metallica with Munson. I can do good bumps of pedico with the Paliaments, and Metallica helps me kill the homeless
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 09, 2008, 07:20:07 PM
Would you rather he was 6'1" but a mediocre player? There are "big" receivers in this draft, too.
Word. I've seen people say they'd rather have someone bigger, but for some odd reason actual skill level isn't considered. See if he can play and what he can do. Then worry about size.
If you hear any noise......it's just me and the boys.....
Please, DeSean........instant return man..........fast as anything what we don't now have.
period between super bowl and nfl draft > than waiting for a flight to Maui on Aloha Airlines.
thank god we only have less than two weeks before we can all get jacked about the birds picks just to turn around a year later and rip the FO a second icehole for not picking player x, y and z. well we do that irregardless.
Quote from: Munson on April 09, 2008, 07:37:48 PM
I was only a tenth of a second slower when I graduated.
Quote from: SunMo on April 09, 2008, 07:47:54 PM
LOL...yeah, i'm sure you didn't make it to the big time because you were white...there hasn't been a good white player in what? 50 years?
That was a joke, buddy. I didn't make it cause I wasn't good enough to play anything more then Division III ball :-D. But being tall and black could have helped.
IGY, I love how much you assume you know about me. I'm a poor white college student who's never smoked a day in my life, and I played football 14 out of the 20 years I've existed. Including all 4 years of high school. So stop assuming, you fat wanna-be piece of shtein. Go kill yourself, you contribute nothing to society but your insane ability to talk in circles and somehow think you're right. The world would have been a better place if your mother took that load to the face instead of the ovaries.
And Metallica owns anything you listen you. Period.
And I know its hard to believe FF, but not every Eagles fan is an overweight unathletic freak of nature. I ran a 4.46 the summer before senior year. Of course that was over 2 years ago...So I don't think I'll be returning kicks for the Eagles anytime soon.
I really hope Jackson can put on 10 pounds or so without losing his speed...he's gonna get killed returning kicks weighing 169 pounds.
Quote from: Munson on April 10, 2008, 06:54:44 AM
Quote from: SunMo on April 09, 2008, 07:47:54 PM
LOL...yeah, i'm sure you didn't make it to the big time because you were white...there hasn't been a good white player in what? 50 years?
That was a joke, buddy. I didn't make it cause I wasn't good enough to play anything more then Division III ball :-D. But being tall and black could have helped.
IGY, I love how much you assume you know about me. I'm a poor white college student who's never smoked a day in my life, and I played football 14 out of the 20 years I've existed. Including all 4 years of high school. So stop assuming, you fat wanna-be piece of shtein. Go kill yourself, you contribute nothing to society but your insane ability to talk in circles and somehow think you're right. The world would have been a better place if your mother took that load to the face instead of the ovaries.
must have hit her pretty close to the mark to get her all riled up like that, huh, kid?
http://philadelphia.comcastsportsnet.com/v...1p.asp?ID=64582
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Wednesday, April 9, 2008
Reid Has Excelled in Later Rounds
by Jared Sherman
ComcastSportsNet.com Contributor
As the Andy Reid-era closes in on its 10th NFL draft, let's take a look at some of the highlights, lowlights and trends of Big Red's draft career.
HIGHLIGHTS
Donovan McNabb
Despite the pressure being applied by local talk show hosts, the mayor, and every other Tom, D and Vinnie on the street to take Texas RB Ricky "Smoke 'em if you got 'em" Williams, Reid took his man from Syracuse.
What makes this pick even more impressive is the fact that there were so many top QB's in that season's draft, and Reid chose the best of the bunch. Tim Couch went first to the Cleveland Browns, but Reid still had his choice of Oregon's Akili Smith (bust), UCLA's Cade McNown (bust), and Central Florida's Daunte Culpepper (helped by Carter/Moss).
And we all know the Williams story.
2002 Draft Class
After a botching 2001's early picks, Reid came back strong in '02 with perhaps his best class ever. With the careers of Bobby Taylor and Troy Vincent winding down, Reid drafted three-quarters of his Super Bowl starting secondary in Lito Sheppard, Michael Lewis and Sheldon Brown.
Reid followed that up with arguably the best pick of the entire draft – Brian Westbook.
Running backs William Green, T.J. Duckett, DeShaun Foster, Maurice Morris and Ladell Betts were all selected before the Eagles snatched the Villanova product late in the third round.
Trivia: Who was last running back taken in the 2002 draft before the Eagles drafted Westbrook? Hint – it's a former Eagle.
Rounds four through six yielded busts in Arizona State center Scott Peters, Alabama wide receiver Freddie Milons and Notre Dame linebacker Tyreo Harrison, but Reid struck again in the seventh-round by selecting another local guy in Temple DE Raheem Brock.
Unfortunately the Eagles managed to run out of cash to sign Brock and had to let him loose. He signed with Indianapolis and became a fixture at DT.
Building Depth
For as much as Reid gets grief about blowing his early selections, credit must be given when it comes to building depth through the draft. Contrast the Eagles with the taterskins, who have given away their draft picks and subsequently have had little depth.
Reid has managed to select contributors in the middle rounds.
In the fourth round the Eagles picked up safeties Damon Moore (1999), J.R. Reed (2004) and Sean Considine (2005), running back Correll Buckhalter (2001), and linemen John Welbourn (1999) and Todd Herremans (2005).
In the fifth round Reid has found QB A.J. Feeley (2001), fullback Thomas Tapeh (2004), defensive end Trent Cole (2005), linebacker Omar Gaither (2006) and tight end Brent Celek (2007).
Even in the sixth round the Eagles have received contributions from fullback Cecil Martin (1999), defensive back Dexter Wynn (2004) and defensive tackle LaJuan Ramsey (2006).
LOWLIGHTS
The Second Round
For someone unknown reason the second round of the draft tends to be a black hole for Reid. This pick should be a long-time starter, or at least a productive contributor, but in five of Reid's nine drafts the second round has produced little to nothing:
1999 – LB Barry Gardner (next two picks were LB Mike Peterson and OT Jon Jansen)
2000 – WR Todd Pinkston (Laveranues Coles would have been nice)
2001 – Quinton Caver (The Range Rover played like a Kia)
2005 – Matt McCoy (Channing Crowder and Kirk Morrison were next 2 LBs selected)
2006 – Winston Justice (poor man's Antone Davis?) The jury is still out.
Wide Receivers
For a coach who loves to throw the ball so much Reid sure has a hard time finding guys who can catch it. The number of career catches as an Eagle is in parentheses.
1999 – Na Brown (34) Troy Smith (1)
2000 – Todd Pinkston (184) Gari Scott (2)
2001 – Freddie Mitchell (90)
2002 – Freddie Milons (0)
2003 – Billy McMullen (22)
2005 – Reggie Brown (150)
2006 – Jason Avant (30) Jeremy Bloom (0)
BIGGEST BUSTS
WR Freddie Mitchell
In 2001 the Eagles were coming off an impressive season where a young McNabb had taken control of the team and they had won a playoff game. What they lacked were playmakers surrounding McNabb. Torrance Small and Charles Johnson were the starting wide receivers, and tight end Chad Lewis was the top pass catcher. Reid went against his nature and selected a wide receiver with his first pick (25th overall) in the draft.
Ugh.
Mitchell certainly had the aura of a top receiver. Cockiness was not lacking here. Unfortunately there weren't many catches to back it up. Hollywood didn't have the speed to separate at this level, or the trust of his QB.
Eventually Mitchell, after only 90 catches, talked and underperformed his way out of Philadelphia despite being part of two of the most memorable plays in recent Eagles' history – the fouth-and- 26 catch against Green Bay in the 2003 playoffs, and the miraculous 60-yard reception that followed a 14-second McNabb scramble against Dallas in 2004.
To add insult to injury, here are the next six wide receivers selected after Mitchell (career catches in parentheses).
Reggie Wayne (494) – Indianapolis Colts
Quincy Morgan (164) – Cleveland Browns
Chad Johnson (559) – Cincinnati Bengals
Robert Ferguson (148) – Green Bay Packers
Chris Chambers (440) – Miami Dolphins
Steve Smith (431) – Carolina Panthers
DE Jerome McDougle
The Eagles traded up 15 spots (from 30 to 15) with San Diego and gave up their second of two second-round picks for the undersized DE from Miami (FL) and have received a total of three sacks in his injury-marred career.
McDougle has sustained injuries in every season since joining the Eagles and has played only 33 games in five seasons. Unfortunately the moment McDougle will be best known for on the field is his bone-headed penalties during the gut-wrenching loss to Tampa Bay in 2006.
LB Quinton Caver
The big, rangy second-round pick from Arkansas was going to be a star in Philadelphia, where the linebacking corps entering the 2001 season desperately needed athleticism on the weak side.
At 6-4, 240 Caver was nicknamed "Range Rover" for the amount of ground he could cover, but what came abundantly clear to the coaching staff was that the Range Rover lacked a GPS system. Once during training camp, defensive coordinator Jim Johnson to remarked that the Range Rover had a "flat tire."
Add to that his lack of enthusiasm for special teams in Philly and you get a bust.
Caver managed only seven solo tackles in his 16 games as an Eagle before moving on to Kansas City and Dallas where he played middling special teams until 2005.
Trivia Answer:
Lamar Gordon. The Rams selected Gordon out of North Dakota State with the 84th selection. Westbrook was taken seven picks later.
Jared Sherman has been contributing NFL draft stories to ComcastSportsNet.com since 2000.
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Quote from: SD_Eagle on April 10, 2008, 07:21:19 AM
Quote from: Munson on April 10, 2008, 06:54:44 AM
Quote from: SunMo on April 09, 2008, 07:47:54 PM
LOL...yeah, i'm sure you didn't make it to the big time because you were white...there hasn't been a good white player in what? 50 years?
That was a joke, buddy. I didn't make it cause I wasn't good enough to play anything more then Division III ball :-D. But being tall and black could have helped.
IGY, I love how much you assume you know about me. I'm a poor white college student who's never smoked a day in my life, and I played football 14 out of the 20 years I've existed. Including all 4 years of high school. So stop assuming, you fat wanna-be piece of shtein. Go kill yourself, you contribute nothing to society but your insane ability to talk in circles and somehow think you're right. The world would have been a better place if your mother took that load to the face instead of the ovaries.
must have hit her pretty close to the mark to get her all riled up like that, huh, kid?
pretty much...weve all seen munsons kind and you dont have to have met him to know exactly what he is....
hes basically the rock version of eminem in eight mile...being a trashed out loser is one thing...but with these last several posts dook also clearly has serious emotional and possibly mental issues on top of everything else
munson > desean jackson
Can we talk some more about munson please?
It's not even a question with people anymore that McNabb is a far better QB thane Culpepper, right?
QuoteReggie Wayne (494) – Indianapolis Colts
Quincy Morgan (164) – Cleveland Browns
Chad Johnson (559) – Cincinnati Bengals
Robert Ferguson (148) – Green Bay Packers
Chris Chambers (440) – Miami Dolphins
Steve Smith (431) – Carolina Panthers
This makes me ill....
We coulda had quincy morgan!
Quote from: methdeez on April 10, 2008, 11:36:03 AM
It's not even a question with people anymore that McNabb is a far better QB thane Culpepper, right?
Sure it is....let's argue about it for 5 days.
can any of these WR's in the draft catch laser beams with their feet? if mcnabb doesnt get his shtein together it wont matter who the WR are since in essence they just be running routes if he cant lead them with the ball.
Quote from: Munson on April 10, 2008, 06:54:44 AM
And I know its hard to believe FF, but not every Eagles fan is an overweight unathletic freak of nature. I ran a 4.46 the summer before senior year. Of course that was over 2 years ago...So I don't think I'll be returning kicks for the Eagles anytime soon.
I really hope Jackson can put on 10 pounds or so without losing his speed...he's gonna get killed returning kicks weighing 169 pounds.
There are so many lies and misconceptions in this that I don't even think IGY can sift through it.
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 10, 2008, 12:10:31 PM
Quote from: Munson on April 10, 2008, 06:54:44 AM
And I know its hard to believe FF, but not every Eagles fan is an overweight unathletic freak of nature. I ran a 4.46 the summer before senior year. Of course that was over 2 years ago...So I don't think I'll be returning kicks for the Eagles anytime soon.
I really hope Jackson can put on 10 pounds or so without losing his speed...he's gonna get killed returning kicks weighing 169 pounds.
There are so many lies and misconceptions in this that I don't even think IGY can sift through it.
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Holy farging shtein. That's awesome.
Quote from: Rome on April 10, 2008, 12:17:16 PM
Holy farging shtein. That's as old as Al Gore.
i know, right?
bwah!
UR a Fag: challange to manhood or offer of fellatio?
Quote from: MultipleScoregasims on April 10, 2008, 12:24:29 PM
UR a Fag: challange to manhood or offer of fellatio?
Talk to hbionic about that. Or Tomahawk's mom, if you can find her.
Quote from: Munson on April 10, 2008, 06:54:44 AM
And I know its hard to believe FF, but not every Eagles fan is an overweight unathletic freak of nature. I ran a 4.46 one summer running out to the street to get mom the mail where i promptly keeled over and coughed up a paper mill amount of parliament smoke.
If we're reminded one more time who the birds could have drafted instead of Freddi Mitchell I'm going to hit the motherfarger on the head with a coconut, better yet throw them into a volcano.
I like the Hawaiian theme on your plan for vengeance. Nicely done.
Joe beat the Volcano
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 10, 2008, 12:10:31 PM
Quote from: Munson on April 10, 2008, 06:54:44 AM
And I know its hard to believe FF, but not every Eagles fan is an overweight unathletic freak of nature. I ran a 4.46 the summer before senior year. Of course that was over 2 years ago...So I don't think I'll be returning kicks for the Eagles anytime soon.
I really hope Jackson can put on 10 pounds or so without losing his speed...he's gonna get killed returning kicks weighing 169 pounds.
There are so many lies and misconceptions in this that I don't even think IGY can sift through it.
Whatever you think, bud.
At McNabb/Culpepper-Hah. That episode of the George Lopez show that they were both on was on last night. Never saw it before. "Damn Donovan, you got here first again? You've been beating me to all these kids places" "Yeah, I beat you to a Superbowl, too" "Yeah and you lost that, too"
Damn.
That article on Comcast was great, loved the fact that it pointed out how Reid loves to pass so much yet he can't seem to draft WRs.
As far as WRs in this draft if what PFT says is true Kelly ran a 4.7 at his pro day, hell he will be lucky to be a 2nd rounder now.
I think I'm proof that 40 times are meaningless and can fluctuate from day to day. I bet dude could take a big dump before he runs it next time and shave it down to at least 4.5.
Your doucheness know no bounds, kid.
Quote from: PPinDC on April 10, 2008, 05:33:41 PM
Your doucheness know no bounds, kid.
I wonder how long it'll take you to figure out that a lot of the time I just enjoy pissing off ass clowns like you.
Please come at me with something better then "douche". At least IGY tries to get personal.
What's more personal than douching?
Good point.
New rule: Any WR, RB, or DB that cannot beat Munson in a footrace cannot play for the Eagles.
Probably a good idea. Especially considering how out of shape I am now.
QuoteYET ANOTHER WIDEOUT ON PHILLY'S RADAR
Posted by Mike Florio on April 10, 2008, 6:17 p.m.
Amid ongoing reports that the Philadelphia Eagles are taking a close look at some of the highest-rated receivers who will be available when the draft starts on April 26, we're told that the Eagles also are looking farther down the board at one of the most intriguing prospects in the entire field.
Specifically, the Eagles sent receivers coach David Culley to North Carolina for a private workout with Appalachian State receiver Dexter Jackson.
Jackson ran the 40-yard dash at the Scouting Combine in a blazing 4.27 seconds. On the small side at five-nine and 178 pounds, Jackson is projected to be a third-round or a fourth-round pick. He caught two touchdown passes in the Mountaineers' epic upset of Michigan at Ann Arbor.
QuoteEAGLES SNIFFING AROUND MORE WIDEOUTS
Posted by Mike Florio on April 10, 2008, 10:21 a.m.
A day after it was disclosed that the Philadelphia Eagles have hosted Cal receiver DeSean Jackson, there is a report that the Eagles also have brought in Michigan State receiver Devin Thomas and Indiana receiver James Hardy.
The Eagles haven't announced or confirmed the visits. Most franchises are tight-lipped about the pre-draft get-togethers. Some are willing to identify the players who have come to town. Others bring in players in whom they have no interest, in the hopes of sending out false smoke signals to other teams.
With all that said, the Eagles surely are interested in upgrading the receiver position. Otherwise, they wouldn't have tried to get Randy Moss, or Larry Fitzgerald.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 10, 2008, 11:57:39 PM
QuoteYET ANOTHER WIDEOUT ON PHILLY'S RADAR
Posted by Mike Florio on April 10, 2008, 6:17 p.m.
Amid ongoing reports that the Philadelphia Eagles are taking a close look at some of the highest-rated receivers who will be available when the draft starts on April 26, we're told that the Eagles also are looking farther down the board at one of the most intriguing prospects in the entire field.
Specifically, the Eagles sent receivers coach David Culley to North Carolina for a private workout with Appalachian State receiver Dexter Jackson.
Jackson ran the 40-yard dash at the Scouting Combine in a blazing 4.27 seconds. On the small side at five-nine and 178 pounds, Jackson is projected to be a third-round or a fourth-round pick. He caught two touchdown passes in the Mountaineers' epic upset of Michigan at Ann Arbor.
Another guy on the smaller side, but has a bit more to him then DeSean weight wise. If they don't take DeSean in the first I wouldn't mind them grabbing this guy in the 3rd or 4th to return kicks.
The Eagles have brought in or worked out almost every WR in this draft.
Des Jackson, Thomas, Hardy, Sweed, Kelly, Dex Jackson, Bennett
Either they want to find what WR they truly like best and not screw up again or that is one huge smoke screen. I don't see what they could possibly be smoking screening though. All but maybe one of those WRs is going to be available at 19, so what would be the point of trying to make teams think you are going to take one unless they intend to trade down(again)?
They got a lot of options this year with Lito and everything. They might trade down, take a safety, and stockpile a 2nd 1st rounder for next year if they can.
Tough to get too excited about any WR selection by the same people who brought us Freddie Mitchell, Na Brown, and Billy McMullen. I will, however, reserve judgement until 2010 when the draft pick finally gets enough playing time to allow a proper evaluation.
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 10, 2008, 04:11:29 PM
I like the Hawaiian theme on your plan for vengeance. Nicely done.
I knew you'd catch that.
I was actually excited about Milons a he was quite a return man at Alabama. Did he ever do anything with the Steelers?
Quote from: Don Ho on April 11, 2008, 12:18:07 AMI was actually excited about Milons a he was quite a return man at Alabama. Did he ever do anything with the Steelers?
Nope.
Quote from: QB Eagles on April 11, 2008, 12:08:10 AM
Tough to get too excited about any WR selection by the same people who brought us Freddie Mitchell, Na Brown, and Billy McMullen. I will, however, reserve judgement until 2010 when the draft pick finally gets enough playing time to allow a proper evaluation.
2010 is being generous. Actually he'll be cut or traded by then.
Andy's offense being overly hard is an overrated notion. Players can't get on the field because they can't play. It isn't like you see bums like McMullen, Milons, Mitchell, etc go on other teams and make impacts. All of our busted WRs have done nothing on the Eagles or any other team.
Get a receiver who can play and they'll find their way onto the field right away. Get a receiver that can't play, and the Eagles can sit back and make excuses like they can't learn the offense to cover up the fact that they blew another draft pick.
It is entirely possible that these players are dumb as well as talentless. The two are not mutually exclusive.
Quote from: General_Failure on April 11, 2008, 01:29:45 AM
It is entirely possible that these players are dumb as well as talentless. The two are not mutually exclusive.
exactly...they are bums and the offense is ridiculous...all the coaches and numerous different players that have come thru philly have admitted how large and intricate the offensive playbook is
Since the Eagles are supposedly bringing in all of these WRs to look at maybe they are going to take the old Jimmy Johnson approach and draft 3 guys of the same position since it is clearly a need. I know that isn't going to happen, but I often wondered why Reid and company have never taken that approach. They always seem to stock pile picks, but they seem to pick guys to add depth and never take any gambles (Bloom not included).
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on April 11, 2008, 09:14:46 AM
Since the Eagles are supposedly bringing in all of these WRs to look at maybe they are going to take the old Jimmy Johnson approach and draft 3 guys of the same position since it is clearly a need. I know that isn't going to happen, but I often wondered why Reid and company have never taken that approach. They always seem to stock pile picks, but they seem to pick guys to add depth and never take any gambles (Bloom not included).
i would love to see Spads spaz out if they selected 3 WRs with the first 3 picks.
one of them has to pan out no?
no, no it doesn't
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on April 11, 2008, 09:14:46 AM
Since the Eagles are supposedly bringing in all of these WRs to look at maybe they are going to take the old Jimmy Johnson approach and draft 3 guys of the same position since it is clearly a need. I know that isn't going to happen, but I often wondered why Reid and company have never taken that approach. They always seem to stock pile picks, but they seem to pick guys to add depth and never take any gambles (Bloom not included).
The one time he did (2002, DB)... it worked out pretty good.
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on April 11, 2008, 09:14:46 AM
Since the Eagles are supposedly bringing in all of these WRs to look at maybe they are going to take the old Jimmy Johnson approach and draft 3 guys of the same position since it is clearly a need. I know that isn't going to happen, but I often wondered why Reid and company have never taken that approach. They always seem to stock pile picks, but they seem to pick guys to add depth and never take any gambles (Bloom not included).
I'm leaning towards OT with the first pick...probably a trade up for Chris Williams, and a WR in the 2nd...whoever they like
if they actually trade up for chris williams im down to organize flames and pitchforks and march on novacare
dook is a first round project
I heard somewhere maybe Ray Diddy that Reid has a hard on for him. I doubt he makes it to the teens so a trade up would be necessary.
i pretty much expect them to take a lineman and that would be whatever...but to pay extra to get a guy like williams would really piss me off when they need more immediate help
predicition....
we will trade lito to move up in the draft and take Jeff Otah in the first round. he will then invariably be cut, hurt, or wont play until 2010. if he does play in 2010 he will get hurt or prove to be the bust we all know he will be. :boom
youre worse than me son
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 11, 2008, 11:26:03 AM
youre worse than me son
with the eagles i try to keep my goals and expectations so low that i'm only mildly pissed off when they muff things up
If the Eagles draft a developmental offensive lineman in the first round I'll pound my fist in impotent rage. And then drink another beer.
Quote from: Rome on April 11, 2008, 11:47:37 AM
If the Eagles draft a developmental offensive lineman in the first round I'll pound my fist in impotent rage. And then drink another beer.
conversely I'll be drinking another beer no matter who they draft
Feva you bring up a good point, the one time they did it worked out pretty well. Of course that was at a position the Eagles really value, they clearly don't value WRs that much.
As far as them using Lito to trade up I don't have a problem with that as long as they get something else along with it like a 2nd or 3rd rounder.
They'll just cut Lito...to make cap room for Mahe's long term deal.
Am I missing something, or did rjs change his username to multiplescoregasims? Sounds like the man has been here forever.
I'm trying not to get too up for this draft. I want a reciever like DeSean, bad, but can't reasonably expect them to draft any player that will make an impact unless it's in the return game. It's been said that there are no impact recievers in this draft, but there are always one or two players that will do the unexpected and excell in the pro game. Only thing wrong with that is you can't expect Reid to find one.
It's like when it rains and you can't work, you getting a day off, but your still losing money.
Quote from: shorebird on April 11, 2008, 04:37:36 PM
Only thing wrong with that is you can't expect Reid to find one.
Reid can pick some good players on occasion and recognize talent when other teams passed on them ie: McNabb, Westbrook, Brown, Sheppard. I just don't expect him to pick a talented player and let him contribute immediately, that's why I'm still hoping for some kind of last minute shenanigans to get Williams, god knows the lions need picks and for some reason i feel that the whole "Williams will be a lion this year!" is disingenuous. but I've made mistakes before...i mean i got married did i? who was i trying to impress with that move?
You mean Reggie Brown? Don't know about that one yet. I agree he's made some good picks, but none of them have been the pro-bowl reciever this team needs so bad. Nearly every receiver he's ever drafted has been a bust, and Brown hasn't really proven much too me yet. He can draft good lineman, and defensive backs, but not recievers. For someone who would rather pass than run at any time on any down, receivers don't seem to be the high priority that you'd think they'd be. It's friggen' crazy.
I know it's all the rage to hate Reggie Brown but I personally think the kid can play. The problem is fans expect him to be an all-pro and he's just not that talented. He's a solid #2 type and there's nothing wrong with that, IMO.
He said players, not recievers. As far as the draft is concerned if they could come away with a return man I think I would be happy. I realize the Eagles draft more than likely will not be appealing otherwise.
Quote from: Rome on April 11, 2008, 05:03:04 PM
I know it's all the rage to hate Reggie Brown but I personally think the kid can play. The problem is fans expect him to be an all-pro and he's just not that talented. He's a solid #2 type and there's nothing wrong with that, IMO.
I would hope most people can see that. My hate for him comes with all the drops. it's infuriating how many passes he has dropped in the early on the last two years.
Quote from: Rome on April 11, 2008, 05:03:04 PM
I know it's all the rage to hate Reggie Brown but I personally think the kid can play. The problem is fans expect him to be an all-pro and he's just not that talented. He's a solid #2 type and there's nothing wrong with that, IMO.
I don't hate the guy, and I do think he can play better, but this team is full of #2 wr's that Ried's drafted on a team crying out for a go to #1. Thats why everyone wants every reciever Reid drafts to be the next Marvin Harrison or Tory Holt.
Every year I get some man-love for a guy they have no shot to get. I think the last time they had a shot to draft one of my crushes was when they took Andrews when Jackson was on the board. I hated the Andrews pick and I was so glad to be wrong about him. I thought he would be another Aaron Gibson, but he's turned into a pimp.
Now, back to my man love....Patrick Willis was the guy last year. Vernon Gholston is the guy this year.
But I wouldn't mind DeSean either. Thats who I think I have settled on. If they draft an OT, I'll bring the lighter fluid for igy's torch party.
Gholston would be sick, but like you said there is no shot. As far as WRs go I could see that position falling, somewhat like it did 2 years ago.
Quote from: Rome on April 11, 2008, 05:03:04 PM
I know it's all the rage to hate Reggie Brown but I personally think the kid can play. The problem is fans expect him to be an all-pro and he's just not that talented. He's a solid #2 type and there's nothing wrong with that, IMO.
There is something wrong with that. This team has never been short on #2 receivers and did not need another.
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 10, 2008, 12:28:50 PM
Quote from: MultipleScoregasims on April 10, 2008, 12:24:29 PM
UR a Fag: challange to manhood or offer of fellatio?
Talk to hbionic about that. Or Tomahawk's mom, if you can find her.
Find her? We're all inside her
Quote from: General_Failure on April 12, 2008, 06:26:44 AM
Quote from: Rome on April 11, 2008, 05:03:04 PM
I know it's all the rage to hate Reggie Brown but I personally think the kid can play. The problem is fans expect him to be an all-pro and he's just not that talented. He's a solid #2 type and there's nothing wrong with that, IMO.
There is something wrong with that. This team has never been short on #2 receivers and did not need another.
That simply isn't true. When the Eagles drafted Brown they still had T.O. as the #1. Are you saying that Brown as the #2 opposite a sane Terrell Owens wouldn't have made a great receiving tandem?
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 11, 2008, 11:52:30 PM
Every year I get some man-love for a guy they have no shot to get. I think the last time they had a shot to draft one of my crushes was when they took Andrews when Jackson was on the board. I hated the Andrews pick and I was so glad to be wrong about him. I thought he would be another Aaron Gibson, but he's turned into a pimp.
Now, back to my man love....Patrick Willis was the guy last year. Vernon Gholston is the guy this year.
But I wouldn't mind DeSean either. Thats who I think I have settled on. If they draft an OT, I'll bring the lighter fluid for igy's torch party.
I love Gholston too. Him and Cole would equal elite pass rushing tandem for the next 8-10 years.
Quote from: Rome on April 12, 2008, 03:23:05 PM
Quote from: General_Failure on April 12, 2008, 06:26:44 AM
Quote from: Rome on April 11, 2008, 05:03:04 PM
I know it's all the rage to hate Reggie Brown but I personally think the kid can play. The problem is fans expect him to be an all-pro and he's just not that talented. He's a solid #2 type and there's nothing wrong with that, IMO.
There is something wrong with that. This team has never been short on #2 receivers and did not need another.
That simply isn't true. When the Eagles drafted Brown they still had T.O. as the #1. Are you saying that Brown as the #2 opposite a sane Terrell Owens wouldn't have made a great receiving tandem?
Todd Pinkston would have made a great #2 opposite TO. Munson would have been adequate opposite TO. #2 receiver is not, and has never been, a need for the Eagles.
right out of high school, munson would've been a great #1 on the Eagles, however right now he maxes out at a #2 which is not what they need, too bad
Quote from: General_Failure on April 12, 2008, 09:29:51 PM
Todd Pinkston would have made a great #2 opposite TO.
Ban?
I would MUCH rather be banned from even browsing/reading this site than have to read one more post about Munson, let alone any posts that are actually written BY Munson.
In other words, I hate you all.
I asked them to stop earlier and was brutally rebuffed.
here's how i hope this plays out...all this talk of munson's past glory inspires him to try to get back into shape. his first day at the gym he jumps on the tread mill, runs for 30 seconds and drops dead of a aneurysm.
Then i would believe in god
Quote from: SunMo on April 12, 2008, 09:55:16 PM
here's how i hope this plays out...all this talk of munson's past glory inspires him to try to get back into shape. his first day at the gym he jumps on the tread mill, runs for 30 seconds and drops dead of a aneurysm.
:CF, feel the love
Quote from: General_Failure on April 12, 2008, 09:29:51 PM
Quote from: Rome on April 12, 2008, 03:23:05 PM
Quote from: General_Failure on April 12, 2008, 06:26:44 AM
Quote from: Rome on April 11, 2008, 05:03:04 PM
I know it's all the rage to hate Reggie Brown but I personally think the kid can play. The problem is fans expect him to be an all-pro and he's just not that talented. He's a solid #2 type and there's nothing wrong with that, IMO.
There is something wrong with that. This team has never been short on #2 receivers and did not need another.
That simply isn't true. When the Eagles drafted Brown they still had T.O. as the #1. Are you saying that Brown as the #2 opposite a sane Terrell Owens wouldn't have made a great receiving tandem?
Todd Pinkston would have made a great #2 opposite TO. Munson would have been adequate opposite TO. #2 receiver is not, and has never been, a need for the Eagles.
Not to mention you expect a little more from a second round draft pick, like the ability to catch balls that hit him in the hands.
The next person to take a shot at Reggie Brown gets the stinkfist.
Quote from: SunMo on April 12, 2008, 09:31:15 PM
right out of high school, munson would've been a great #1 on the Eagles, however right now he maxes out at a #2 which is not what they need, too bad
Which pretty much means I'm a lock to be drafted as an Eagle. Sweet.
According to Eskin the Eagles have a 0% chance of drafting WR in the first round, and their red zone offense will be fixed with the return of LJ Smith.
I've never really had a beef with the guy, but he has become a total joke over this whole anti-WR stance. There are so many things wrong with LJ Smith fixing the red zone offense, I don't even know where to begin.
Quote from: King Cole on April 13, 2008, 11:50:14 PM
According to Eskin the following words have a 0% chance of being credible.
The closer we get to the draft the stronger I feel the Eagles will use a first day pick on a WR, here's a decent rundown of the top WRs in the draft. (http://www.nfl.com/draft/story;jsessionid=20F196750531EC994BD53B6F37836117?id=09000d5d807bdfdb&template=with-video&confirm=true)
I'd be cool with Sweed, Devin Thomas or DeSean Jackson in the 1st.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on April 14, 2008, 10:13:34 PM
The closer we get to the draft the stronger I feel the Eagles will use a first day pick on a WR, here's a decent rundown of the top WRs in the draft. (http://www.nfl.com/draft/story;jsessionid=20F196750531EC994BD53B6F37836117?id=09000d5d807bdfdb&template=with-video&confirm=true)
I agree, but not at 19. I think the Eagles take whatever at 19, and trade back into the first for a WR.
I only hope they don't use Lito to trade back into the first, unless didn't involve our 2nd rounder. Like if it was Lito and a 3rd for the 24ish overall or something.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 14, 2008, 11:23:48 PM
I'd be cool with Sweed, Devin Thomas or DeSean Jackson in the 1st.
Me too, and I would throw Hardy into that mix as well. I have a feeling that Thomas could wind up in Buffalo. Another guy I wouldn't mind seeing the Eagles take in the 1st would be Mike Jenkins. I don't think there will be any OL that are worth a 1st when they pick.
I've heard mixed things about Jordy Nelson. He has the skills and was great last year, but is projected to go as a late 3rd or 4th rounder. Could be a sleeper if the Eagles want to pick Jackson in the first and another receiver later.
Diddy's 5 sleepers (http://www.philly.com/philly/hp/news_update/20080415_NFL_draft__Didingers_5_sleepers.html)
QuoteLast year, he touted Stewart Bradley, who was taken by the Eagles in Round 3 and might be the starting middle linebacker this season.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on April 15, 2008, 12:48:11 PM
Diddy's 5 sleepers (http://www.philly.com/philly/hp/news_update/20080415_NFL_draft__Didingers_5_sleepers.html)
QuoteRunning back/receiver/returner/quarterback/holder Jayson Foster, Georgia Southern, 5-9, 170 pounds, 4.32 time in the 40. Shhh. Don't tell anybody. This guy's name doesn't even show up in a lot of draft books, Didinger said. But ... "to me, he has the potential to be the most exciting player out of the bunch." Didinger envisions this undersized but "lightning-fast" athlete as "a wonderful wild card player." As a quarterback - yes, quarterback - last season, he rushed for 1,844 yards and 24 touchdowns. OK, he's not going to be an NFL QB, but he's "electrifying," with "tremendous acceleration," and on one 60-yard touchdown run made everyone miss so badly he was hardly touched, Didinger said. Note to the Eagles: Foster was also a threat as a place holder, because he'd run with the ball or throw it. So if used creatively at receiver and maybe running back, as well on as special teams, he could be a dandy asset. If people aren't impressed that he also won the Walter Payton Award as the nation's best small-college player, recall a few other winners: Steve McNair, Tony Romo and the Eagles' Brian Westbrook.
I actually wouldn't mind them getting a guy like this. If creatively used... could come in handy. Doesn't hurt at all that he can do so many things.
I don't see the words 'white', 'mormon' or 'linebacker' in there anywhere.
Diddy's losing it.
I wouldn't mind a guy like Foster at all if they pass on Jackson.
Okay you convinced me.
I'm waiting to see if reese and IGY have conflicting opinions on this.... with hilarious results!
I'd take my chances with those 5, although I've heard Johnston's name mentioned alot lately.
Quote from: EagleFeva on April 15, 2008, 01:00:04 PM
I actually wouldn't mind them getting a guy like this. If creatively used... could come in handy. Doesn't hurt at all that he can do so many things.
Yo Feva I don't know if you remember the hood days like I do, but back in those hard times there was a fellow on the EMB by the name of FissionMailed. He goes to Georgia Southern now and was actually telling me about Foster earlier in the year.
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 15, 2008, 01:37:28 PM
I'm waiting to see if reese and IGY have conflicting opinions on this.... with hilarious results!
sprinkle a little bit of munson on top and watch rjs explode
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 15, 2008, 01:37:28 PM
I'm waiting to see if reese and IGY have conflicting opinions on this.... with hilarious results!
I just PM'd you my opinion..let me know if you fell out of your chair
Quote from: SD_Eagle on April 15, 2008, 02:38:24 PM
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 15, 2008, 01:37:28 PM
I'm waiting to see if reese and IGY have conflicting opinions on this.... with hilarious results!
sprinkle a little bit of munson on top and watch rjs explode
Disagree with IGY and piss off RJS. It's what being on the internet is all about.
Well, that... and inflating our 40m times.
Is that what they run in NFL Europe or some shtein? We run the 40 YARD dash in the U.S. and A, son.
Plus, don't hate on Munson, just because everyone else on this board has always been a fat, unathletic couch potato. Clearly, Munson's was once one of the top athletes on the internet, and he deserves your damn respect.
Ha! Good catch...
And I'll hate on Muson all I want... because my 4.32 blows away his 4.5,
Oh yeah, and I'm also 6'4", 223lbs and can throw 225lbs up 46 times.
I'm 5'11" two-hundy and I can drink a 12 pack of Miller Lite in like three hours.
i'm 7'-5", 560lbs, and i can change 500 channels in one minute
Quote from: Rome on April 16, 2008, 09:47:38 AM
I'm 5'11" two-hundy and I can drink a 12 pack of Miller Lite in like three hours.
I'm 30 pounds under that and I'll see your three hours and raise you to two and a half.
These are the only measurables that matter on the internets.
Quote from: rjs246 on April 16, 2008, 10:01:53 AM
Post counts are the only measurables that matter on the internets.
Post count can lick my grundle. In fact, who wants my post count? It's about time to reload.
Quote from: rjs246 on April 16, 2008, 10:01:53 AM
Quote from: Rome on April 16, 2008, 09:47:38 AM
I'm 5'11" two-hundy and I can drink a 12 pack of Miller Lite in like three hours.
I'm 30 pounds under that and I'll see your three hours and raise you to two and a half.
I'll see that and raise to 2 hours and 15 minutes.
2:14.
And you're a liar.
So I have to lose 30 pounds first before we start drinking?
I'm out.
No, but you have to compete at the next weigh class.
Quote from: EagleFeva on April 16, 2008, 08:02:00 AM
Well, that... and inflating our 40m times.
No need to inflate, sir. I used to be a fast little bastich.
But I much prefer watching how worked up all yous get about it.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on April 15, 2008, 12:48:11 PM
Diddy's 5 sleepers (http://www.philly.com/philly/hp/news_update/20080415_NFL_draft__Didingers_5_sleepers.html)
QuoteLast year, he touted Stewart Bradley, who was taken by the Eagles in Round 3 and might be the starting middle linebacker this season.
QuoteWide receiver Jordy Nelson, Kansas State, 6-foot-3, 217 pounds, timed at 4.54 in the 40-yard dash. Nelson is likely to be available in the third round because his 40 time is "considered a step slow," Didinger says, adding that teams want a 4.4 or below. But Nelson is "one of these guys who plays faster than he times" because of his size, smooth breaks and "great intelligence and feel for the game." Despite double coverage and facing different defensive schemes every week, Nelson still had 122 catches. Because his size and excellent route-running could make him a nice Red Zone target, "I would love to see the Eagles get him in the third round," Didinger said.
I swear, I had not seen that article before my last post.
I like him even more now. Seems like a guy Ried would like also.
Quote from: shorebird on April 16, 2008, 06:22:49 PM
Seems like a guy Ried would like also.
Which means I now hate him.
Well.........me saying that probably means theres no chance at all we draft him.
Well.......
goddamn offseason sucks.
Our new running back and returner: http://youtube.com/watch?v=4miK7GnuSAI (http://youtube.com/watch?v=4miK7GnuSAI)
Quote from: methdeez on April 17, 2008, 06:56:46 PM
Our new running back and returner: http://youtube.com/watch?v=4miK7GnuSAI (http://youtube.com/watch?v=4miK7GnuSAI)
Are you joking?
Riiiiight.
Jerry Jones has a hard-on for that kid.
Quote from: methdeez on April 17, 2008, 06:56:46 PM
Our new running back and returner: http://youtube.com/watch?v=4miK7GnuSAI (http://youtube.com/watch?v=4miK7GnuSAI)
we already signed our KR/PR. there is a thread for him too.
QuoteNEW TRADE CHART AN EFFORT BY EAGLES TO MOVE UP?Mike Florio, April 18, 2008
In response to the emergence of a new proposed trade chart, a league source tells us that, in his opinion and based on discussions with most of the other NFL teams, the proposal is the direct result of the Philadelphia Eagles to make it easier to trade up from the No. 19 overall spot in the 2008 draft.
"The whole thing sounds like an elaborate ruse," the source said.
It's not clear who the Eagles would be targeting via a move, or how high they'd like to go. If the Eagles are indeed behind the creation of the new chart, the fact that the first four picks dropped in value and the rest of the first-rounders increased suggests that they'd like to get into the top four — and possibly all the way to No. 1.
Moreover, if the Eagles are trying to pull off a move up, there's only one other team that needs to agree with the chart, and that's the team with whom the Eagles would be trading.
Besides, the reality is that, if a team that wants to trade down can't find a partner under the existing trade chart, then maybe a new chart really is needed.
Or why shouldn't both teams say "the hell with the chart," if they so choose? The pick is worth whatever the team who'll trade it thinks it worth. Does anyone really think that the Tuna gives a flying fish about whether he'll be criticized from taking less than what the Jimmy Johnson trade chart dictates he should receive?
Regardless, the suspicion that is being directed at the Eagles confirms our belief that any meaningful change to the trade chart can come only after the draft and before the start of the regular season, since during that period of time no team can be accused of trying to stack the deck in support of its own short-term interests.
http://www.delcotimes.com/WebApp/appmanage...t_Story_1920875
Quote
Posted on Sat, Apr 19, 2008
Eagles might go into trenches for draft
By Bob Grotz bgrotz@comcast.net
The worst-kept secret in South Philadelphia is that the Eagles will address the offensive side of the ball in the coming week.
The defense already has been addressed.However, Mel Kiper's proposed destination of Philadelphia for wide receiver Devin Thomas of Michigan State with the 19th overall selection is cause for pause.
The guy to keep an eye on is 6-6, 309-pound offensive lineman Branden Albert of Virginia, who is a slimmed-down version of Eagles Pro Bowl guard Shawn Andrews.
The Buffalo Bills, who own the 11th overall pick, have shown considerable interest in Thomas (6-2, 218). As a junior, Thomas caught 79 passes for 1,260 yards and eight touchdowns.Another year to mature and Thomas might be a top-10 pick, not a prospect that makes you wonder what he did earlier in his tour at East Lansing? As a sophomore, Thomas had six grabs for 90 yards and a TD.
Even loosely connecting the dots suggests the Eagles ��" with 11 draft picks, and possibly a couple of more once they trade cornerback Lito Sheppard ��" could make a deal to move up the board for a guy like Albert.
Albert played guard in college. A converted basketball player, he has the instincts, the feet, the athleticism and the frame to play tackle on the NFL level. There is film of him playing left tackle last season, his junior year with the Cavaliers.
There is almost no way Albert will fall to the Eagles if they hang with the 19th overall pick. With draft pick trade charts very fluid these days, the Eagles could vault from 19 to 11 by packaging their top pick and little more than their second-round pick. Another prospect on the Eagles' radar that also could be available in the top 12 is offensive tackle Jeff Otah (6-6, 323) of Pitt, who also has a basketball background.
The Eagles have upgraded the defense enough with cornerback Asante Samuel and Chris Clemons to address the offense, where quarterback Donovan McNabb could use some help.
"I think we've made a few moves this offseason, and I think people think they have something to prove (after an 8-8 season) and are excited to get going," Eagles president Joe Banner said recently. "I'm excited to see what else we can do to make the team better. I think there's a lot of determination and a lot of optimism."
When the discussion turns to the Eagles and the draft, what you hear rarely is what you get, as evidenced by the selection of quarterback Kevin Kolb in last year's draft. The Eagles had almost everyone believing they would take a safety off the board in the so-so first round. They had no intention of doing so, and traded out of the round to get their quarterback of the future.
The Eagles almost certainly will address the wide receiver position in the coming week, whether it comes by trade for a No. 1-caliber receiver, or in the draft ��" the latter probably more for depth and return ability than show.
Established receivers who will be the talk of next week are Chad Johnson of the Cincinnati Bengals, Anquan Boldin of the Arizona Cardinals and Roy Williams of the Detroit Lions. The Eagles and the Dallas Cowboys are expected to be part of the silent bidding.
Appalachian State wide receiver Dexter Jackson fits the latter category, and he ran one of the fastest 40-yard dashes ever at the NFL scouting combine, a blistering 4.27. The Eagles sent wide receivers coach David Culley to North Carolina to work out the 5-9, 185-pound Jackson, according to reports.
The Eagles also brought Thomas and wide receiver DeSean Jackson (6-0, 166) of California, the latter a receiver/returner.
The Bills would seem like a likely trade partner for the Birds if they are targeting Albert, though there is a chance he won't even be there then. It would be sweet if they could acquire him and one of the veteran WRs that was mentioned.
i would farging love to get albert....hes about the only non playmaker id be really happy getting with their first pick
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 19, 2008, 09:26:02 AM
i would farging love to get albert....hes about the only non playmaker id be really happy getting with their first pick
Thats pretty much how I feel about it.
EDIT - farg it. Florio's article sucked. Nothing else to it.
well if they can get a WR and albert....would love it.
How bout this scenario: A team wants #19 and Lito in order to move up for Albert...do you do it?
If it meant no more Wost Manneans I'd be all for it. Lito's a de facto nickel corner at the moment, and not a very happy camper either. He's gone one way or another so if trading him means they'd get a starting offensive guard for the next 10 years, bring it on.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on April 19, 2008, 08:38:57 AM
QuoteNEW TRADE CHART AN EFFORT BY EAGLES TO MOVE UP?Mike Florio, April 18, 2008
In response to the emergence of a new proposed trade chart, a league source tells us that, in his opinion and based on discussions with most of the other NFL teams, the proposal is the direct result of the Philadelphia Eagles to make it easier to trade up from the No. 19 overall spot in the 2008 draft.
"The whole thing sounds like an elaborate ruse," the source said.
It's not clear who the Eagles would be targeting via a move, or how high they'd like to go. If the Eagles are indeed behind the creation of the new chart, the fact that the first four picks dropped in value and the rest of the first-rounders increased suggests that they'd like to get into the top four — and possibly all the way to No. 1.
Moreover, if the Eagles are trying to pull off a move up, there's only one other team that needs to agree with the chart, and that's the team with whom the Eagles would be trading.
Besides, the reality is that, if a team that wants to trade down can't find a partner under the existing trade chart, then maybe a new chart really is needed.
Or why shouldn't both teams say "the hell with the chart," if they so choose? The pick is worth whatever the team who'll trade it thinks it worth. Does anyone really think that the Tuna gives a flying fish about whether he'll be criticized from taking less than what the Jimmy Johnson trade chart dictates he should receive?
Regardless, the suspicion that is being directed at the Eagles confirms our belief that any meaningful change to the trade chart can come only after the draft and before the start of the regular season, since during that period of time no team can be accused of trying to stack the deck in support of its own short-term interests.
probably a stupid question but what is a trade chart?
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/news/story?id=2410670
Here's the new one I'm assuming the Eagles created:
Quote1st Rd 2nd Rd 3rd Rd 4th Rd 5th Rd 6th Rd 7th Rd
1 2,000 33 570 65 265 97 112 129 43 161 27 193 14.2
2 1,900 34 560 66 260 98 108 130 42 162 26.6 194 13.8
3 1,825 35 550 67 255 99 104 131 41 163 26.2 195 13.4
4 1,750 36 540 68 250 100 100 132 40 164 25.8 196 13
5 1,675 37 530 69 245 101 96 133 39.5 165 25.4 197 12.6
6 1,635 38 520 70 240 102 92 134 39 166 25 198 12.2
7 1,570 39 510 71 235 103 88 135 38.5 167 24.6 199 11.8
8 1,505 40 500 72 230 104 86 136 38 168 24.2 200 11.4
9 1,440 41 490 73 225 105 84 137 37.5 169 23.8 201 11
10 1,375 42 480 74 220 106 82 138 37 170 23.4 202 10.6
11 1,320 43 470 75 215 107 80 139 36.5 171 23 203 10.2
12 1,275 44 460 76 210 108 78 140 36 172 22.6 204 9.8
13 1,230 45 450 77 205 109 76 141 35.5 173 22.2 205 9.4
14 1,185 46 440 78 200 110 74 142 35 174 21.8 206 9
15 1,140 47 430 79 195 111 72 143 34.5 175 21.4 207 8.6
16 1,110 48 420 80 190 112 70 144 34 176 21 208 8.2
17 1,070 49 410 81 185 113 68 145 33.5 177 20.6 209 7.8
18 1,040 50 400 82 180 114 66 146 33 178 20.2 210 7.4
19 1,010 51 390 83 175 115 64 147 32.6 179 19.8 211 7
20 980 52 380 84 170 116 62 148 32.2 180 19.4 212 6.6
21 945 53 370 85 165 117 60 149 31.8 181 19 213 6.2
22 920 54 360 86 160 118 58 150 31.4 182 18.6 214 5.8
23 895 55 350 87 155 119 56 151 31 183 18.2 215 5.4
24 870 56 340 88 150 120 54 152 30.6 184 17.8 216 5
25 845 57 330 89 145 121 52 153 30.2 185 17.4 217 4.6
26 820 58 320 90 140 122 50 154 29.8 186 17 218 4.2
27 795 59 310 91 136 123 49 155 29.4 187 16.6 219 3.8
28 770 60 300 92 132 124 48 156 29 188 16.2 220 3.4
29 745 61 292 93 128 125 47 157 28.6 189 15.8 221 3
30 720 62 284 94 124 126 46 158 28.2 190 15.4 222 2.6
31 695 63 276 95 120 127 45 159 27.8 191 15 223 2.3
32 670 64 270 96 116 128 44 160 27.4 192 14.6 224 2
http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/15/new-draft-trade-chart/
It's hilarious that PFT is accusing the Eagles of "fixing" the chart to their own benefit. It's not like every team is given a chart to which they must adhere. In fact, I would think every team would create a chart every year based on how they value the picks in relation to their own.
PFT is a fun site, but Florio really is over the top more often than not.
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 19, 2008, 01:19:58 PM
PFT is a fun site, but Florio really is over the top more often than not.
ha...ya think...it might as well be the onion of pro football sites
Quote from: SD_Eagle on April 19, 2008, 11:32:03 AM
How bout this scenario: A team wants #19 and Lito in order to move up for Albert...do you do it?
No, unless they include at least their 3rd.
it depends on what litos value is...id rather trade up for albert with lito and 19 before i traded lito for a second and a fifth
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The Raiders traded a 2nd and a 5th for DeAngelo Hall. Apparently, he is widely viewed as a superior overall value to Lito, so Lito's value is probably more like a mid 2nd.
theres not a trade chart for trading players like there is draft picks....especially when youre talking about draft day trades
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 19, 2008, 02:03:26 PM
The Raiders traded a 2nd and a 5th for DeAngelo Hall. Apparently, he is widely viewed as a superior icehole, so Lito's value is probably more than that other midget.
he also commanded more money than lito and in fact altho he probably would like a re do lito has never publically stated he wants a new deal at all
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 19, 2008, 02:00:15 PM
it depends on what litos value is...id rather trade up for albert with lito and 19 before i traded lito for a second and a fifth
I don't think trading Lito to move up in the draft is a good value, unless they get something else in return. Basically you would be giving up Lito and a 1st for Brandon Albert.
I'm not too much in favor of an OT in round 1 right now. I want some farging playmakers. I also would love to get Josh Barrett... in the 2nd/3rd.
Keeping Lito is an option and if the dont get what they want they will keep him and say that they intended on keeping him all along. Then when Lito holds out or cries about his contract, they'll get snippy with him.
They should keep Lito...I know he is hurt alot but shtein, its a need to have 3 CBs. If one has to be dealt I would rather deal Brown. Or pay them all enough to make 'em happy and shut up and win games.
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on April 19, 2008, 03:04:27 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 19, 2008, 02:00:15 PM
it depends on what litos value is...id rather trade up for albert with lito and 19 before i traded lito for a second and a fifth
I don't think trading Lito to move up in the draft is a good value, unless they get something else in return. Basically you would be giving up Lito and a 1st for Brandon Albert.
it all depends on whether you think albert (or whoever they would trade up for) is worth it...for me hes the best at his position in the draft....starts at LG next year from day one...is a huge upgrade over herremans and is a pro bowl caliber guard for next five six seven years
Well most are projecting Albert as a LT now, that is the main reason he is skyrocketing up the boards. The thing is he may end up being the second coming of Anthony Munoz, but right now you don't know that. Giving up Lito a known quantity and a first for an unknown is a lot.
i have to imagine the eagles would want them as a guard if they are gonna trade up....you dont trade up for a tackle that was converted from guard and if thats the case then i wouldnt do the lito trade
All I'm saying is don't get your hopes up for getting a lot of value out of Lito at this point.
To me if you get a second for him that is good value at this point. Using him to move up 8 slots or so in the draft is not, who knows maybe they make a trade with Baltimore if they can't get Ryan. They are in the market for a corner and there is an obvious connection.
Those mock drafts make me laugh especially from "experts" like McShay how could anybody possibly have the Eagles taking a LB in the first? I say that and they will probably take one.
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/20080420_Survey_says__Birds_OK_in_NFL_draft.html
QuoteSurvey says: Birds OK in NFL draft
Andy Reid and Tom Heckert have had their misses. But they've also found some talent along the way.
By Bob Brookover
Inquirer Staff Writer
For the last three months, the most hard-core Eagles fans have been bombarded by mock drafts, listened to all sorts of trade speculation, and wondered what their team will do on draft day.
The possibilities are endless. You couldn't find a single person conducting mock drafts a year ago at this time who had the Eagles trading their first-round pick to division rival Dallas, then taking quarterback Kevin Kolb with their first overall pick in the second round.
With cornerback Lito Sheppard as a trade chip, the Eagles could end up with something other than the 19th pick in the first round of Saturday's draft. The trade rumors about wide receivers such as Cincinnati's Chad Johnson and Detroit's Roy Williams persist, and the infinite number of mock drafts online have different players being selected by the Eagles in the first round.
One Web site - fftoolbox.com - had well over 100 mock drafts. Twenty-eight players were named among the first 100 mocks, which makes you wonder whether they should change the name to crock drafts.
The educated guess here is that the Eagles will take an offensive tackle, with Virginia's Branden Albert, Vanderbilt's Chris Williams and Pittsburgh's Jeff Otah as possibilities should they remain at 19. They will be able to land Boise State's Ryan Clady only if they can move up in the first round.
"Picking 19, a lot of things can happen," Eagles general manager Tom Heckert said. "We don't know who we're going to pick."
This, however, is not about what the Eagles are going to do. Today we are examining how the Eagles have done in their six drafts conducted by the duo of Heckert and head coach Andy Reid.
It's easy, of course, to find the hits and misses.
Trent Cole: good pick.
Jerome McDougle: bad pick.
See, so easy a sportswriter can do it.
Far more difficult is putting into context how the Eagles have compared with the NFL's 31 other teams since Heckert was hired to be Reid's righthand man in draft decisions.
The overall answer to that question: OK. In an Inquirer study of the 32 teams and 1,546 players selected since the 2002 draft, the Eagles ranked 14th based on a scoring system that awarded individual players four points for every season they made the Pro Bowl, three points for every season they started 16 games, two points for every season they started at least half their team's games, and one point for appearing in at least half the team's games.
For example, Eagles guard Shawn Andrews, a first-round pick in 2004, received 11 points because he has had two Pro Bowl seasons - four points each - and he started all 16 games in 2006. He did not get any points for his rookie season, when he was injured on opening day and spent the remainder of the year on injured reserve.
Though some people want to blame the departure of star wide receiver Terrell Owens for the Eagles' inability to make the playoffs in two of the last three seasons, the more significant reason may be that the team did not draft well in 2003 and 2004. The Eagles' 2003 draft, according to the study, was the fifth worst in the NFL in terms of player production.
That, of course, is the year the team moved up to the 15th slot and took McDougle, who has had three career sacks, zero career starts, and an endless amount of well-documented misfortune. But McDougle wasn't the only poor pick the Eagles made in that draft.
Third-round selection Billy McMullen and second-day picks Jamaal Green, Jeremy Bridges and Norman Lejeune also contributed little or nothing. Only Bridges had modest success elsewhere.
Tight end L.J. Smith has been the only productive selection from that draft, but the Cowboys got by far the best player at that position in the 2003 draft when they took Jason Witten eight picks after Smith.
Despite having 10 picks in the 2004 draft, the Eagles did not get much production. They did hit at the top when they used their second-round pick to make a deal with San Francisco that gave them the 16th overall pick; Andrews has become a Pro Bowl offensive guard.
After that, however, fullback Thomas Tapeh and safety J.R. Reed have been the only productive players, and eight of the 10 players from that class are either playing elsewhere or out of the league.
"You hate to have drafts like that where guys haven't produced," Heckert said. "If you do have drafts like that, you, hopefully, have some good drafts down the line and it kind of makes up for it. Obviously, you can't have too many like that or it's going to affect you."
The Eagles have had some good drafts in the Heckert-Reid era. Their first one still rates as their best. With 58 points in the Inquirer survey, they tied the Pittsburgh Steelers for the most in the 2002 draft.
Sheppard, safety Michael Lewis, and running back Brian Westbrook became Pro Bowl players, and cornerback Sheldon Brown has never missed a game. Few teams obtain four players like that in one draft.
The Eagles also drafted well in 2005, the year after they went to the Super Bowl. Mike Patterson has been a solid No. 1 choice and defensive end Trent Cole has become a Pro Bowl player despite being a fifth-round pick. Wide receiver Reggie Brown and guard Todd Herremans have been starters the last two seasons. Linebacker Matt McCoy was a major bust as a second-round pick, but every team, including the Patriots and the Cowboys, has made mistakes in the early rounds.
The Eagles have produced five Pro Bowl players in the last six years - tied for the third most in that time frame. Only the Cowboys and San Diego Chargers, with seven each, have drafted more Pro Bowl players.
A major reason the Eagles haven't had as much success in the last three years is that the other NFC East teams have started to draft better. The Cowboys have drafted as well as any team in the NFL over the last six years, and that doesn't take into account that they added quarterback Tony Romo as an undrafted free agent in 2003. Dallas over the last six years has had seven players participate in a total of 16 Pro Bowls.The Giants also have improved in the draft department in the last six seasons, and, based on the contributions from their rookies late last season, they may have hit the jackpot in 2007.
Only the Washington taterskins continued to lag, and that's mostly because they have given away too many picks. With 34 picks over the last six years, the taterskins had the fewest in the NFL and 26 fewer than Tennessee, which drafted a league-high 60 in that time.Heckert said he thought The Inquirer survey was fair except in grading the 2007 draft. He said it's too early to evaluate that class. Those grades, more than any others, are subject to change because the Eagles rarely have asked for or received much from rookie players over the last six seasons. The exception was 2005, when injuries led to a long list of rookies getting extended playing time.
The success or failure of a draft, Heckert said, is based on more than the selections.
"You have to mix everything together," he said. "You obviously have to get good players, but you need guys who get your scheme, and then you have coaching changes with some teams. There's a lot that goes into whether a guy makes it or doesn't make it. You see it all around the league where guys - even late-round picks - go somewhere else and are good performers.
"You look at all of your picks. Sometimes you can't figure out why they succeed, but the majority of the time you can. Sometimes it's size or speed. The majority of the time you overlooked something or you gambled a little bit and lost."
Heckert and Reid are days away from their seventh draft together, but we're still a few years away from really knowing whether it's a good one. In the meantime, enjoy all those crock drafts.
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The Heckert-Reid Draft Report
The Eagles hired Tom Heckert as director of player personnel less than a month after the 2001 draft, and he and head coach Andy Reid have conducted six drafts together. Some – 2002 and 2005 – have been outstanding while others – 2003 and 2004 – have been weak. The following chart shows how the Eagles compare with the other 31 NFL teams. All 1,546 players drafted since the 2002 season were given a point total for their production with the team that selected them. They were not given points for what they did with other teams. Players received four points for each season they made the Pro Bowl, three points for each season they started all 16 games, two points for each season they started at least half their team's games and one point for playing in at least half their team's games.
The chart is listed by team, total number of picks, players that are still with the team, number of Pro Bowl players and their total number of Pro Bowls, number of top 10 picks and total points.
- Bob Brookover
thats interesting...did the inky publish their whole report
yeah...its at the very bottom. I had to delete it because it was too big. Here it is:
QuoteTeam Picks Remain PB Playoffs Top10 Pts
Tennessee Titans 60 24 3-3 2-3 2 191
Dallas Cowboys 48 25 7-16 0-3 2 186
San Diego Chargers 48 25 7-11 2-3 2 186
Indianapolis Colts 51 26 5-8 7-5 (1) 0 167
Jacksonville Jaguars 53 28 2-3 1-2 3 165
Baltimore Ravens 52 30 2-6 0-2 1 163
Houston Texans 53 25 4-5 0-0 5 161
Chicago Bears 51 27 4-9 2-2 1 160
New York Giants 44 22 3-7 4-3 (1) 1 156
New York Jets 44 20 3-3 2-3 2 152
Arizona Cardinals 40 20 3-5 0-0 4 150
San Francisco 49ers 56 28 3-3 1-1 2 149
New England Patriots 50 19 4-4 11-3 (2) 0 147
Philadelphia Eagles 51 26 5-9 5-3 0 146
Seattle Seahawks 49 25 2-4 4-5 0 144
Carolina Panthers 49 20 1-3 5-2 2 142
Oakland Raiders 52 24 1-1 2-1 3 140
Team Picks Remain PB Playoffs Top10 Pts
Minnesota Vikings 43 19 2-4 1-1 4 139
Buffalo Bills 46 25 1-2 0-0 2 138
Pittsburgh Steelers 47 20 3-7 6-3 (1) 0 134
Cleveland Browns 47 21 4-4 0-1 3 132
Cincinnati Bengals 48 21 1-2 0-1 2 132
New Orleans Saints 44 16 4-5 1-1 2 129
St. Louis Rams 55 22 1-1 1-2 0 129
Green Bay Packers 54 26 3-4 2-4 1 124
Detroit Lions 47 18 1-1 0-0 6 121
Kansas City Chiefs 43 17 2-3 0-2 1 116
Atlanta Falcons 45 22 1-2 2-2 2 113
Miami Dolphins 43 19 0-0 0-0 2 100
Denver Broncos 45 13 1-1 1-3 0 98
Tampa Bay Bucs 54 26 1-1 3-2 (1) 2 98
Washington taterskins 34 13 2-4 1-2 3 87
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Grading Eagles' Class of 2007
Position Player Round Pick Points Comment
QB Kevin Kolb 2d 36 0 Played 1 game
DE Victor Abiamiri 2d 57 0 Played 6 games
LB Stewart Bradley 3d 87 1 Played 16 games
RB Tony Hunt 3d 90 1 Played 8 games
CB C.J. Gaddis 5th 159 0 Released
TE Brent Celek 5th 162 1 Played 16, started 4
S Rashad Barksdale 6th 201 0 Released
RB Nate Ilaoa 7th 236 0 Released
Totals: 8 picks, 5 remain, 3 points.
Comment: This has a chance to be a strong draft class with Bradley being the first to become a starter in 2008.
All players in the 2007 NFL draft were given a point total for their production with the team that selected them. They were not given points for what they did with other teams. Players receive four points for making the Pro Bowl, three points for each season they started all 16 games, two points for each season they started at least half their team's games and one point for playing in at least half their team's games.
Grading the Overall Class of 2007
Top Five
Atlanta Falcons 11 picks, 13 points
Miami Dolphins 10 picks, 11 points
Tampa Bay Bucs 10 picks, 11 points
Green Bay Packers 11 picks, 10 points
Jacksonville Jaguars 11 picks, 10 points
Bottom Five
New England Patriots 9 picks, 1 point
New Orleans Saints 7 picks, 2 points
EAGLES 8 picks, 3 points
Denver Broncos 4 picks, 3 points
San Diego Chargers 6 picks, 4 points
Best overall pick: 3-way tie: Adrian Peterson, RB, Minnesota Vikings; Patrick Willis, LB, San Francisco 49ers; and Joe Thomas, OT, Cleveland Browns.
Comment: All three first-round picks were Pro Bowl players as rookies.
Best Eagles pick: Stewart Bradley, LB, 3d round.
Comment: Played in all 16 games and is projected as the starting middle linebacker in 2008.
Worst overall pick: Robert Meachem, WR, New Orleans Saints.
Comment: The 27th overall pick showed up out of shape for training camp and did not play in a single game as a rookie.
Worst Eagles pick: Kevin Kolb, QB, 2d round.
Comment: The Eagles' first selection didn't do anything wrong as a rookie, but there's no telling if or when he'll get on the field.
Eskin said on sports final last night the thinks the Eagles will take Kenny Phillips. He has his head up the Eagles ass so there might be some interest. My gut tells me they're going O-line and will probably trade up to do so.
QuoteJETS, PATS FEUD CONTINUES ON DRAFT DAY
Posted by Mike Florio on April 21, 2008, 9:46 a.m.
The National Football League's version of the Hatfield and the McCoys (I used that same line in a SportingNews.com item that should be released later today . . . if they don't kill it for general suckiness) will take their hate-hate relationship to a new level on Saturday, when the Jets use the No. 6 overall pick in the draft, and the Pats exercise the very next selection.
The blood war between these franchises significantly predates their most memorable skirmish, which blew the lid off the Pats' videotaping practices and sparked a still-ongoing debate as to whether one or more of their Super Bowl trophies are tarnished.
The New York Daily News looks at the history of the relationship, specifically as it relates to the draft. In 2001, the Pats swung a trade to get in front of the Jets once the Pats concluded that the Jets planned to use a second-round pick on tackle Matt Light. The next year, the Pats again leap-frogged the Jets, but took tight end Daniel Graham with the No. 21 overall selection, leaving the player whom the Jets had targeted — defensive end Bryan Thomas — still on the board.
This year, the Pats surely hope to put the Vulcan mind trick on the Jets, getting them to take a guy whom the Pats don't really want, and not to take the player whom the Patriots secretly covet. Though much of it depends on who is drafted among the top five, both teams surely have worked out the scenarios with every combination of the top prospects going to the Fins, Rams, Falcons, Raiders, and Chiefs before them.
Both teams have shown interest in running back Darren McFadden and linebacker/defensive end Vernon Gholston. They each could slip through the first five spots, and be on the board when the Jets select.
Another possibility would be for the Jets to trade out of the six spot with a team who wants to get the guy whom the Patriots are expected to desire. Versatile Virginia offensive lineman Brendan Albert could be the Pats' perceived prize. Some think that the Eagles would like to trade up to get him, so a New York-Philly deal could be just what the Jets need to stick it to the Pats. Especially if the Jets also get cornerback Lito Sheppard as part of the transaction.
Regardless of what the Jets do at No. 6, the Pats might look to trade out of the No. 7 spot, but only after they allow their presence over the Jets' collective shoulders to cause G.M. Mike Tannenbaum to lose as many extra hairs as possible.
And don't rule out the possibility of Cowboys owner Jerry Jones talking trade with each team in the event that McFadden isn't selected in the first five spots. Jones has two first-rounders to give, and either team would be wise to consider taking them.
It's one of the most intriguing aspects of this year's draft, and with only ten minutes per team in round one, we won't have to wait long to see what happens.
kenny phillips has disaster written all over him. well, maybe not disaster, but more like an unmotivated less athletic version of michael lewis. i hope eskin is pushing that so some other retard will pick him before 19.
I wouldn't mind Phillips in the second but he's bad value at #19
QuoteHeckert wouldn't say it, but the Eagles have Michigan State's Devin Thomas rated as the top receiver in the draft. Thomas, 6-foot-2 and 215 pounds, had a strong junior season for the Spartans and is also a kick returner, but he may not be available if the Eagles wait until the 19th selection.
Brookover: What do the Eagles really need (http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/20080422_What_do_the_Eagles_really_need_.html)
5 was on SportsCenter and reiterated his desire for a play-maker. They asked him what he wanted the Eagles to do at 19 and basically he said that they need a play-maker now and not to draft for the future. He wants a home run hitter now.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 22, 2008, 06:43:09 PM
5 was on SportsCenter and reiterated his desire for a play-maker. They asked him what he wanted the Eagles to do at 19 and basically he said that they need a play-maker now and not to draft for the future. He wants a home run hitter now.
Looks like it will have to be someone like Kelly, Sweed, or Jackson....I don't think Thomas will be there.
i wouldnt be surprised to see thomas drop farther than most people think because of his relative inexperience
Malcolm Kelly is a bonehead. I don't want that cry baby.
Jackson would be nice. And the Longhorn Sweed would be tight too.
But even better would be getting Boldin.
Kelly came out afterward and admitted what he did was very immature. By most counts he is a pretty good kid. I am a huge Sweed fan I saw him play quite a few times over the last 2 years and I really like what I saw. IGY as far as Thomas falling you could be right, I have heard listening to NFL Radio that WRs are falling. That being said teams never seem to be able to resist the temptation of drafting a WR high.
it just seems to happen every year in the draft with a few people...they seem to be hot leading up to the draft...people talk about them sneaking into the top 15 top 10 whatever...then they go like 24th
Sweed is a slightly tougher Todd Pinkson. Dont get me wrong i'd take him in the second, but not with a first rounder, and i'd take Bouldin over what is going to be at 19
I think most people would take Bouldin (sic) over what is going to be at 5 or 6, even.
The problem is that the Cardinals might not even want to trade him.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 22, 2008, 07:46:30 PM
it just seems to happen every year in the draft with a few people...they seem to be hot leading up to the draft...people talk about them sneaking into the top 15 top 10 whatever...then they go like 24th
True, but according to reports on the internet the Eagles really like him. It would make sense he played for Mark Dantonio, they have had success with players that played under him. Supposedly the Bills are really high on him too.
i dont doubt that im saying i think its possible he falls to 19 or lower...id take him if he did i guess...there arent many players in round one that excite me this year
If the Eagles could some how manage to trade for Boldin and at the same time move down in the first round and grab Sweed......
I won't even bother finishing because I'm sure I'll be ridiculed for my pipe dream.
THROAT YOGURT FOR ALL
Quote from: Sgt PSN on April 22, 2008, 08:59:58 PM
If the Eagles could some how manage to trade for Boldin and at the same time move down in the first round and grab Sweed......
I won't even bother finishing because I'm sure I'll be ridiculed for my pipe dream.
why the farg would they do that? trade for a wr and then draft one? i would be furious with that
Quote from: SunMo on April 22, 2008, 09:10:41 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on April 22, 2008, 08:59:58 PM
If the Eagles could some how manage to trade for Boldin and at the same time move down in the first round and grab Sweed......
I won't even bother finishing because I'm sure I'll be ridiculed for my pipe dream.
why the farg would they do that? trade for a wr and then draft one? i would be furious with that
It depends if you think Reggie Brown is more of a 3 or more of a shouldn't be on the damn team.
i'd be furious if the eagles upgraded both starting wide receivers.
with no plan for safety or tackle or 3rd DT...yeah
Quote from: SunMo on April 22, 2008, 09:50:39 PM
with no plan for safety or tackle or 3rd DT...yeah
their plan for safety is mickell.
their plan for a 3rd DT can come out from the 3-5 rounds. or a trade for robertson.
it would be unusual to acquire TWO WRs but i do not think anyone should complain after the crap they have tried to pass as starting WRS.
mikell isn't a longterm solution at safety
Quote from: SunMo on April 22, 2008, 10:19:42 PM
mikell isn't a longterm solution at safety
you and I know that.
but do you think the idiots who tried to pass considine off as a starter know? or care?
ggod point sir
Quote from: SunMo on April 22, 2008, 09:50:39 PM
with no plan for safety or tackle or 3rd DT...yeah
you'll get two receivers on saturday and like it, you little slut.
I mean Brown/Curtis/Avant/Baskett are not a bad 2-5 group. The problem is that there's nothing resembling a #1 there.
What's everyone's thoughts on Donnie Avery?
About all that I know about him is that he is really fast.
avery could be a second day pick that they take strictly to be a returner
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 24, 2008, 08:04:47 AM
avery could be a second day pick that they take strictly to be a returner
Most things I have read have him going in the 2nd or 3rd round.
any gm that takes him in the second round should immediately be fired....third is even pushing it
Would anyone be opposed to the Eagles giving up Lito and a shteinload of draft picks to get Chris Long? I remember reading that the Rams were one of the teams interested in Lito...
[/pipe dream]
Thanks to Mike Mamula, I'm severely jaded with regards to giving up the farm for a white defensive lineman.
why would you do that anyway when you could have done the same thing to get jared allen whose proven...long could easily be a bust
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 24, 2008, 09:12:35 AM
why would you do that anyway when you could have done the same thing to get jared allen whose proven...long could easily be a bust
KC wanted the Vikes picks over the Eagles.
Long is younger by a few years, and I think the closest to a "sure thing" that there is in this draft.
And more importantly to the Eagles FO...his contract would probably cost less then Jared Allens, and he drinks less (or gets caught less).
It aint gonna happen but whatever.
long is not even close to a sure thing...and hes best suited in a 3-4...furthermore theres no player in this entire draft worth trading lito and a "shteinload" of draft picks for....if you are gonna do that you do it for a proven player
and you can make up all kinds of reasons why youd take chris long over jared allen except no matter what you say jared allen is tne times the player chris long is...who the farg is chris long anyway?
I wasn't saying why I'D take him over Allen, I was saying why the Eagles FO would be more willing to trade up for Long then the would trade for Allen. I wanted them to trade for Allen but knew better then to expect or hope for it.
Long's a pretty athletic dude, and with his size he could easily play in the 4-3. Like I said it's just a dream I have since I don't trust them to get good value for Lito as it is.
Long's contract will not be significantly cheaper than Allen's. Jake Long's as the #1 was better than what Allen will get, and Chris Long will be the #2 or #3.
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 24, 2008, 09:22:48 AM
Long's contract will not be significantly cheaper than Allen's. Jake Long's as the #1 was better than what Allen will get, and Chris Long will be the #2 or #3.
i was gonna get into that as well but why bother
Jared Allen's six-year contract is worth $73.26 million and includes $38.4 million in the first three years.
The originally reported $31 million guaranteed is correct.
They signed the Michigan left tackle to a five-year, $57.75 million contract with $30 million guaranteed, and they'll select him with the top pick in the draft Saturday.
Matt Long's was not bigger then Allens. But yes, it wouldn't be significanly cheaper...but still cheaper...That's a word Banner and Lurie enjoy.
I only clarified for the benefit of those on the board that know how to read and think critically.
since we all know what exactly will happen...i will make a stupid prediction which if it comes true i will come back igy style to claim cleo status:
EAGLES WILL SELECT A LB IN THE FIRST ROUND!
the receivers are fine.
You've got me convinced.
Honestly, a healthy LJ might actually make a big a difference in the passing game/scoring. But I'd still like to see Chanroyad Boldiamsson here by Sunday.
i was saying to sun last night that i wouldnt be mad if they traded their number one this year for an extra one next year and an extra pick or two this year...thats how underwhelming this years first round is...then with all the picks youd have this year use a combonation of them (plus lito) to trade up and grab guys you like thruout the draft
underwhelming to you, but to Reid and Heckert there is no doubt goldmine potential.
there are five no doubt about it offensive linemen within the eagles reach in this draft. if you don't think one of them will be posing for pictures with lurie and reid on saturday night, you're as crazy as a sean taylor vigil participant.
im not saying they will do it...im saying i would do it if the right opportunity presented itself
Quote from: Rome on April 24, 2008, 09:50:45 AM
there are five no doubt about it offensive linemen within the eagles reach in this draft. if you don't think one of them will be posing for pictures with lurie and reid on saturday night, you're as crazy as a sean taylor vigil participant.
Are you "needlinemen"?
hahaha
Quote from: Rome on April 24, 2008, 09:50:45 AM
there are five no doubt about it offensive linemen within the eagles reach in this draft. if you don't think one of them will be posing for pictures with lurie and reid on saturday night, you're as crazy as a sean taylor vigil participant.
The famous offensive lineman picked in the 1st that was a Mel Kiper projected 4th rder.
Then he will say, "I love this pick by the Eagles...this guy has got great quickness, very agile for his size...he has no weaknesses."
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 24, 2008, 09:40:22 AM
i was saying to sun last night that i wouldnt be mad if they traded their number one this year for an extra one next year and an extra pick or two this year.
then they can trade McNabb and both #1s for the #1 pick and get Tebow yay :P
Timtee Bow can run the ball and can also pass the ball. As a triple threat he will be of helpful to the Phildelphia Eagle of Philly.
i talk to my good friend tory aikman about these pick....i must apologize...i have...had... have had not been following the gators since steve spurrier left five weeks ago...or five years ago to be more precise....tory aikman....who also happen to be my favorite analysis on tv say the eagles will need new quarterback....kevin kobbs have tiny hands which cause him to eat the ball up....
what picks would make you happy and what picks would enrage you?
i would be very happy with Albert, in fact he's my #1 right now
i would be furious with Otah, i don't want him whatsoever
none would make me overly happy
id be furious with chris williams derrick harvey or phillip merling
I can honestly say this year unless they would draft a QB or TE in the first round I really wouldn't be too mad with whoever they took. I've have already come to terms with the fact that they will probably trade up and draft an OL. As long as it is one of the top 5 guys I will be good with it.
If we can't get a WR, I've pretty much zoned in on Devin Thomas. He is explosive as hell and has stud potential.
Quote from: SunMo on April 24, 2008, 04:27:59 PM
what picks would make you happy and what picks would enrage you?
i would be very happy with Albert, in fact he's my #1 right now
i would be furious with Otah, i don't want him whatsoever
But Otah is from delaware, and he lined up against Munson, and he Beat Munson?
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on April 24, 2008, 04:39:15 PM
But Otah is from delaware, and he lined up against Munson, and he Beat Munson?
not in the 40
munson > otah.
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on April 24, 2008, 04:39:15 PM
Quote from: SunMo on April 24, 2008, 04:27:59 PM
what picks would make you happy and what picks would enrage you?
i would be very happy with Albert, in fact he's my #1 right now
i would be furious with Otah, i don't want him whatsoever
But Otah is from delaware, and he lined up against Munson, and he Beat Munson?
We never played William Penn in the years I was there, they're a different division then us.
Still kinda cool that he's from here, though.
And cosidering I was a safety/corner I would never, ever, ever, ever line up against a 300 pound lineman. Ever. I is smarter then that.
How many days in a row are we going to keep hearing about Kevin Arnold and his high school days? I mean...
Quote from: reese125 on April 24, 2008, 06:34:13 PM
How many days in a row are we going to keep hearing about Al Bundy and his high school days? I mean...
Happy: Devin Thomas, Vernon Gholston, DeSean Jackson, Leodis McKelvin, Dominque Rodgers-Cromartie, Branden Albert, Limas Sweed, James Hardy (2nd round), Derrick Harvey, Calais Campbell, Sedrick Ellis, Jerod Mayo.
Furious: Jeff Otah, Chris Williams, Gosder Cherlius (what kind of name is that?!?), Keith Rivers,
I don't care at all who they draft as long as they trade away some of these goddamned picks. It's obvious they won't get a veteran receiver so they might as well try to stockpile for next year when there may be a decent WR class.
Plus I can't handle the idea of them drafting 12 people and cutting 5 this year and 3 more being out of the league in 2 years.
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White people are so lame.
10 Things to Look For in the Draft (http://www.nfl.com/draft/story?id=09000d5d807ed3e1&template=with-video&confirm=true&campaign=ec0005&campaign=ec0005)
Quote5. The Sheppard factor
Eagles CB Lito Sheppard has to factor into this draft as a player who could move the Eagles up in the first round, close a deal on a veteran player from another team, or be packaged with a pick to get to a more picks. The corner population in this draft is solid with five or six corners probably being selected in the first round -- but the interest in Sheppard, with two years remaining on his contract, is still very real.
Remember when Al Harris was the Eagles' third corner? He went on to a great career as a starter in Green Bay. As one scout said this week, "If Sheppard was in this draft, he would be the third corner at worst."
The Eagles will make another half-assed bid on a receiver, which will serve as a baseline for another team to make a real offer. A lineman and receiver will be drafted on day one. Assuming he doesn't get hurt again, McNabb will put up decent numbers, but not good enough for the playoffs. Eventually, McNabb will be traded. Reid will still have a coaching job. Kolb or some other project will be the new starter. At this point I'll ask someone to let me know when Reid is no longer with the organization so I can start paying attention again.
So I can count on your support in my Trotter 4 Head Coach campaign?
Ike Reese, motherfarger.
King Koybra!
Koy for GM.
Quote from: reese125 on April 24, 2008, 06:34:13 PM
How many days in a row are we going to keep hearing about Kevin Arnold and his high school days? I mean...
you dont think its fun to watch muson pathologically lie about a high school football career
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 24, 2008, 08:31:53 PMAs one scout said this week, "If Sheppard was in this draft, he would be the third corner at worst."
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this says it all...lito has so much value that after playing in the nfl for six years hes still not as good as two of the corners in college
And, he's played really well too.
Lito's brittle. The guy simply doesn't stay healthy. His talent and his production alone should get the Eagles a 1st rounder in return in their sleep, but the fact he wants to get caked off combined with his injury history stops any hope of that.
Blame the FO for signing Samuel or making it clear that Lito's on the block in general if you want, but the real problem with Lito's value is his injury history vs. his contract demands.
Well, he did say third corner at the worst. While I understand what you are saying about not being better than guys coming out of college, I think what he meant was that the guy is really talented. This is widely considered to be one of the strongest positions in the draft, so him being at least the 3rd best is sort of a compliment.
i used the wrong words...hes clearly better than any of the college corners but he has less value than several of them
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 25, 2008, 09:24:54 AM
i used the wrong words...hes clearly better than any of the college corners but he has less value than several of them
Agreed. I believe most of us including myself have overvalued Lito to a point. I say that as far as him being traded for picks, there was no way that they were ever going to get a 1st round pick for him. It is extremely rare that a player is traded for a first round pick. That being said there is no reason to just give the guy away.
DeAngelo Hall
younger and healthier...what's your point?
you just made it
Quote from: reese125 on April 25, 2008, 10:00:19 AM
DeAngelo Hall
I am pretty sure that I said 1st round pick.
Hall got traded for a 2nd rder to Oakland, there was no disagreement.
Value is the comparison here...I didnt think I had to go this deep
but to be honest if they (eagles) were intent on upgrading the CB position or investing in it i would rather they sign samuel then upgrade lito's contract. simply a matter of health at this point. you can say they are equal or make a case for either being a little better than the other but to me samuel>lito.
the fact they did not really need to upgrade the CB position as the #1 need is another story.
since they have dug themselves this hole and lito has to be moved i just hope they can get the max in return and then draft a CB or Safety in the first 2 rounds.
to tell you the truth i was against the samuel signing from the get go...i would have rather given lito a little bit more money took my chances with his health and upgraded at other positions
i realize the games played is an issue but as far as going into this year i dont think samuel upgrades the team in any way...i think lito is just as good if not better when healthy...so in 2008 they have two very good starting corners...and in 2007 they went in with two very good starting corners...its a wash to me until lito misses 4-5 games this year...and if that happens then they made the right move i suppose i just dont think its worth betting 20 million guaranteed on someone getting hurt
it's an upgrade if your starters are Brown and Samuel...and your nickle back is Lito Sheppard
Lito is a better cover corner. Samuel takes chances and makes more big plays.
I generally agree that they're about equal overall when healthy, but Lito simply misses too much damn time. Granted, the past is not a perfect indicator, and Samuel could suffer a career-ender tomorrow while Lito doesn't miss a game the rest of his career.
But with all the vanilla players on the Eagles defense right now (and I'm not just talking about the white guys), Samuel is a pretty big upgrade overall.
lot of people said westbrook would never stay healthy and couldnt carry a full load...couldnt lito play 14-16 games a year for the next three seasons...just sayin
pretty sure I said that too
Eagles likely to ignore McNabb, draft 1st round lineman (http://www.nfl.com/draft/story?id=09000d5d807f72fc&template=with-video&confirm=true)
Kirwan's final mock has them taking James Hardy.
Carucci - Gosder Cherilus (yuck)
Gosder Cherilus, would be one pick that would really piss me off.
Quote"You win the game up front on both sides of the ball," Reid said. "If the d-line is better than the o-line, the quarterback is going to be in trouble. If the o-line is better than the d-line, the defense is going to be in trouble. That's how it worked out in the Super Bowl. That theory really rises to the top. You can have pretty good receivers, but if those guys up front aren't doing their job, those receivers aren't going to be very good."
Looks like a lineman it is for the first pick today. You really can't argue with his reasoning. Thing is, this team should not be in the position that they are in as far as the reciever situation. It's been the same since Reid has been here.
Quote"I think we're in a position now where, with the things we've done in free agency, we don't have a real, absolute need going into the draft," Reid said. "We can kind of pick and choose who the best player is."
Thats the kind of crap that chafes my ass. Wideout has been a need ever since Reid has been coach, and he's never, ever aknowleged it.
The only problem I have with taking an O-lineman is them reaching for Williams or Otah. If they're there at 19 I'll live with the pick but if they move up to take either its a mistake.
I think the Eagles will try to make a play for Alberts but fail miserably and wind up with Williams.
Quote from: shorebird on April 26, 2008, 06:50:42 AM
Thats the kind of crap that chafes my ass. Wideout has been a need ever since Reid has been coach, and he's never, ever aknowleged it.
I'm not sure what you want him to say. "We need a WR SO BAD. WE"RE DESPRATE SOMEONE TAKE ADVANTAGE OF US AS LONG AS WE GET A WR" but with that being said i'm sure he just do exactly what we all think and draft some o line man we've never heard of and wont hear about again for three years until he makes his first appearance on the team.
Steuber crosses the line from draft geek to mega geek (http://media.scout.com/media/doc/54/545036.pdf)
matty franchise?
hmmm...
http://www.concretefield.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=777
Quote from: shorebird on April 26, 2008, 06:50:42 AM
Quote"You win the game up front on both sides of the ball," Reid said. "If the d-line is better than the o-line, the quarterback is going to be in trouble. If the o-line is better than the d-line, the defense is going to be in trouble. That's how it worked out in the Super Bowl. That theory really rises to the top. You can have pretty good receivers, but if those guys up front aren't doing their job, those receivers aren't going to be very good."
Looks like a lineman it is for the first pick today. You really can't argue with his reasoning. Thing is, this team should not be in the position that they are in as far as the reciever situation. It's been the same since Reid has been here.
I'm still trying to figure out how the Eagles' offensive linemen prevented Reggie Brown from getting separation from d-backs more than twice a game.
I hope Reid is throwing up a smokescreen.
PLAYMAKERS ANDY!!!!
In the 9 years that Andy has been here the offensive line has been at least adequate and often excellent. You would think that he realizes if you don't have WRs that get open it doesn't matter if you have the Hogs up front.
fargin reid is going to blow it again
It's gonna be Otah!!
farg Jeff Otah
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 26, 2008, 05:01:05 PM
farg Jeff Otah
I find it hilarious that the Panthers took Otah with that pick.
The Eagles will use carolina's #1 on a OT next year.
Just as a nice to know...off the top of my head next year there are like 3 or 4 safeties who would have been the #1 safety this year. Myron Rolle, Taylor Mays, and William Moore. Rolle and Mays are juniors. There was 1 or 2 more when I checked up on it a couple weeks ago but I can't remember who they are. So the Carolina pick could very well be Dawkins replacement.
Quote from: Dillen on September 18, 2007, 07:06:43 PMIf they somehow sucked so bad to get the #1 pick, DeSean Jackson with no hesitation.
Quote from: BigEd76 on October 21, 2007, 11:30:51 PM
Punt return vs Oregon (http://youtube.com/watch?v=y-cZsfr_Jd4)
Punt return vs Tennessee (http://youtube.com/watch?v=DPXSzia2Zfg)
Punt return vs Arizona (http://youtube.com/watch?v=U7_5SFxyniY)
Punt return vs Arizona State (http://youtube.com/watch?v=xSHO4fqVyyg) (even though the announcer calls him Johnson)
:yay
The Eagles came into the day with #19 and #49. For that they got:
Trevor Laws
DeSean Jackson
Carolina's 1st round pick next year
moved up from #115 to #109
Lorenzo Booker
turned #152 into #117
Automatic bans for anyone upset with that.
It'll be hard to find too many upset.
Only the retarded or the most jaded Negadelphians.
Again, I have concerns that Trevor Laws looks like he glues pubes onto his chin.
G Cobb is killing the Eagles on WIP. He wanted Mendenhall badly.
And his reasoning is?
Mendenhall has one hit wonder written all over him.
That CAR deal was too good to turn down.
Maybe instead of being pissed about the draft, G Cobb ought to be pissed about all those bogus Eagles rumors that have been flying around this offseason with his name attached to them.
Quote from: King Cole on April 26, 2008, 11:41:53 PM
G Cobb is killing the Eagles on WIP. He wanted Mendenhall badly.
Given what the Eagles did today......getting Jackson and Laws along with a few extra picks this year and adding an additional first rounder for next year I don't see how anyone can be upset with the Eagles not aquiring a backup RB who probably wouldn't get many touches anyway.
Quote from: QB Eagles on April 26, 2008, 10:16:42 PM
The Eagles came into the day with #19 and #49. For that they got:
Trevor Laws
DeSean Jackson
Carolina's 1st round pick next year
moved up from #115 to #109
Lorenzo Booker
turned #152 into #117
Automatic bans for anyone upset with that.
Couldn't agree more. Pretty much says it all.
looks like the Eagles traded pick #191 to the Browns
Quote from: SunMo on April 27, 2008, 04:11:12 PM
looks like the Eagles traded pick #191 to the Browns
This was the pick the Eagles got for Fraley too.
In return get 09 5th rounder.
Quote from: Dillen on April 27, 2008, 04:13:24 PM
Quote from: SunMo on April 27, 2008, 04:11:12 PM
looks like the Eagles traded pick #191 to the Browns
This was the pick the Eagles got for Fraley too.
In return get 09 5th rounder.
Is that confirmed? Nice.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 24, 2008, 09:40:22 AM
i was saying to sun last night that i wouldnt be mad if they traded their number one this year for an extra one next year and an extra pick or two this year...thats how underwhelming this years first round is...
Good callz.
They did that and STILL got our boy DeSean.
Oh, and they didn't dump Lito for something zesty.
Wednesday, April 30, 2008
Why Brandon Albert isn't an Eagle
Believe it or not, and most of you out there who are convinced that Jeff Lurie and Joe Banner order dinner off the McDonald's 99-cents menu probably won't, the Eagles didn't wake up Saturday morning intending to trade out of the first round.
When the Chicago Bears threw everybody a curve ball at No. 14 and took Vanderbilt offensive tackle Chris Williams over Virginia's Brandon Albert, the Eagles tried to trade up and get Albert. Here's what happened according to NFL people familiar with the situation:
The Eagles, who had the 19th pick, knew Albert wouldn't make it past the Kansas City Chiefs, who were at 17. So they hopped on the phone and called the Arizona Cardinals, who had the 16th pick, and tried to trade into their spot. But the Cardinals wanted Tennessee State cornerback Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie and were worried that he'd be gone if they traded down to 19. So they said thanks but no thanks.
Here's where it gets interesting. As soon as they hung up with the Eagles, somebody from the Cardinals called the Chiefs and tipped them off to the fact that the Eagles were trying to trade up ahead of them to get Albert. The Chiefs then picked up the phone and called Detroit Lions GM Matt Millen, whose team was on the clock at No. 15. The Eagles also tried to get through to Millen. But the Chiefs kept him on the line until they consummated a deal and made the pick for Albert.
Unable to move up and get Albert, the Eagles were prepared to stay at 19 and take a player -- probably either Pitt offensive tackle Jeff Otah or Kansas cornerback Aquib Talib. But then the Carolina Panthers called and offered the Eagles a package that included their first-round pick next year and they took it. The rest is history.
Posted by Paul Domowitch @ 12:18 PM Daily News
no wonder i couldn't sleep last night. i was tossing and turning wondering why the eagles didn't get branden albert.
i would care a lot more if they hadnt gotten adarius bowman
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 01, 2008, 02:34:09 PM
i would care a lot more if they hadnt gotten adarius bowman
omg ftw potd
bowman is an eagle people, learn to love it.
I love it. LOVE it. I want to massage his bubble.
When you say bubble, you really mean scrotum.
He's dreamy.
Thank you Matt Millen and Marty Hurney for saving the Eagles from drafting another OT.
It wuz one of dem thar conspeerasees!!!
James Hardy reportedly pulled a gun on his dad on Mother's Day (http://www.journalgazette.net/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080513/SPORTS/805130306/tbd/)
QuoteNOT THE FIRST INCIDENT FOR HARDY
Posted by Mike Florio on May 13, 2008, 9:49 a.m.
In response to the news that Bills receiver James Hardy, a second-round pick in last month's draft, allegedly pulled a gun on his father on Mother's Day (his mom would be wise to avoid Hardy on Father's Day), a league source has alerted us to the fact that this wasn't the first domestic incident involving the former Indiana standout.
Two years ago, Hardy spent three nights in jail after allegedly committing battery against his girlfriend. He was charged with domestic battery and interfering with the reporting of a crime. Hardy eventually was released on bond.
When his girlfriend called 911, an operator heard the woman say that Hardy had "hit her and her baby." The line then disconnected, apparently because Hardy had yanked the phone out of the wall.
The source described Hardy to us as a "scary dude," and said that the reports of Hardy striking a baby scared many teams away from him.
But not the Bills.