With the First Pick in the 2008 NFL Draft, the Philadelphia Eagles Select...

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

I'd like to go on the record and say I'm extremely uncomfortable about agreeing with Munson on this.


That said, if the Eagles don't make any big trades and/or don't sign any impact free agents, the draft doesn't matter at all, especially at pick 19.

[ice grillin you]

deshean jackson would be an incredible upgrade at KR from day one and would have just as good a chance to be a great wr in a year or two as williams will have at being a tackle in two years

[ice grillin you]

I'd like to go on the record and say I'm extremely uncomfortable about agreeing with Munson on this.

theres no right or wrong answer here (except in saying that no players in the first round can be impact guys) it a philosophical difference btwn wanting to win now and wanting to possibly fill a position in a couple years....winston justice is enough evidence all by himself for me not to want to take a chance on a lineman being good in 2-3 years vs trying to get someone who can help immediately

[Rome]

I'd like to go on the record and say I'm extremely uncomfortable about agreeing with Munson on this.


That said, if the Eagles don't make any big trades and/or don't sign any impact free agents, the draft doesn't matter at all, especially at pick 19.

You should be uncomfortable because he's wrong.

And the entire premise of improving this year is predicated on them acquiring players outside of the draft either by trade or free agency.

They need a receiver, another cornerback, a tight end and a defensive end immediately.  If they can get playmakers immediately then they have a chance NEXT YEAR.  If they can't get those sorts of players before the draft, then they should cut McNabb loose and start over so that in two years they'll be ready to contend.

But again, they can't do both.  I personally think they're not that far off from contending again in the NFC, so drafting an OT now is retarded.

[Munson]

I'd like to go on the record and say I'm extremely uncomfortable about agreeing with Munson on this.


That said, if the Eagles don't make any big trades and/or don't sign any impact free agents, the draft doesn't matter at all, especially at pick 19.

This.

And I don't like agreeing with me either.


And Desean Jackson aint gonna do shtein for the Eagles in terms of getting them to a SB THIS YEAR. He'd have little impact as a rookie WR in the Eagles WC offense. And Chicago proved that while your return man can win you a few games, the rest of the team still has to overcome bad coaching and general suckyness to get anywhere. Are you faithful that this Eagles team as it stands now can do that? I mean hell, the Eagles probably are 9-7 or 10-6 and in the playoffs this year if it wasn't for horrible special teams play. But does a good returner put them in the SB? Probably not.

I'm just saying that if they don't trade up and try and get that impact player, then I'm okay with them going OT at #19. We all thought they were crazy for taking DB's in the first round in 02 and despite they lack of adding play makers that year, the only reason why they didn't win the SB was a colossal choke job more then anything else. They were the better team, they had TB in under 40 degree weather, and they choked.

But you're right, it's mostly a difference of philosophies in thinking anyway.

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

deshean jackson would be an incredible upgrade at KR from day one and would have just as good a chance to be a great wr in a year or two as williams will have at being a tackle in two years

Are you on the record as Jackson or bust in the 1st round?

You should be uncomfortable because he's wrong.

And the entire premise of improving this year is predicated on them acquiring players outside of the draft either by trade or free agency.

They need a receiver, another cornerback, a tight end and a defensive end immediately.  If they can get playmakers immediately then they have a chance NEXT YEAR.  If they can't get those sorts of players before the draft, then they should cut McNabb loose and start over so that in two years they'll be ready to contend.

But again, they can't do both.  I personally think they're not that far off from contending again in the NFC, so drafting an OT now is retarded.

No.

[Rome]

The Eagles could sign Donte Stallworth, draft a tight end in the first round, get a defensive end via free agency and draft a third cornerback in the second round.

That makes them an instant contender in the NFC assuming that everyone else comes back healthy and productive.

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

The Eagles could sign Donte Stallworth, draft a tight end in the first round, get a defensive end via free agency and draft a third cornerback in the second round.

That makes them an instant contender in the NFC assuming that everyone else comes back healthy and productive.

Which TE's do you like in the 1st to make an impact in 2008?
Which DE's are available in free agency that you'd like to take a run at?

[ice grillin you]

deshean jackson would be an incredible upgrade at KR from day one and would have just as good a chance to be a great wr in a year or two as williams will have at being a tackle in two years

Are you on the record as Jackson or bust in the 1st round?

not at all...just giving one example of a guy who can make an immediate and real impact

And Desean Jackson aint gonna do shtein for the Eagles in terms of getting them to a SB THIS YEAR. He'd have little impact as a rookie WR in the Eagles WC offense. And Chicago proved that while your return man can win you a few games.

so the guy might win a few games for the teamf but he wont be an impact player at 19 or help the team get to the sb

please stop talking

[Munson]

IGY-That's assuming Jackson is as good, hell even half as good a return man as Hester. IF he's THAT good of a return man in the NFL, then he might help them win a game or two. But is he the difference between the Eagles being 8-8 and the Eagles beating the Patriots in the SB?

Do you honestly believe he as THAT kind of an impact RIGHT NOW?
No.

[SunMo]

The Eagles could sign Donte Stallworth, draft a tight end in the first round, get a defensive end via free agency and draft a third cornerback in the second round.

That makes them an instant contender in the NFC assuming that everyone else comes back healthy and productive.

and what happens when Tra has his annual back injury/blood clot/whatever?  Justice again?

[Munson]

The Eagles could sign Donte Stallworth, draft a tight end in the first round, get a defensive end via free agency and draft a third cornerback in the second round.

That makes them an instant contender in the NFC assuming that everyone else comes back healthy and productive.

and what happens when Tra has his annual back injury/blood clot/whatever?  Justice again?

Hooray for not being prepared! But it's okay, that Jackson fellow is really fast.

[ice grillin you]

reno mahe to desean jackson would be an incredible upgrade RIGHT fargING NOW

i dont know what else you need to hear...youre just bringing up red herrings now to prove and unprovable point...that there are no players at 19 that can come right in and make an impact...and again desean jackson could be a better player in two years than david williams much less next year where he definitely would be more impactful


making arguments like "thats assuming hes good" is not elevating your already sub human intelligence on these matters

[Rome]

The Eagles could sign Donte Stallworth, draft a tight end in the first round, get a defensive end via free agency and draft a third cornerback in the second round.

That makes them an instant contender in the NFC assuming that everyone else comes back healthy and productive.

Which TE's do you like in the 1st to make an impact in 2008?
Which DE's are available in free agency that you'd like to take a run at?

I offered a possible scenario where the Eagles could improve immediately.  Obviously the scenario depends on players being available.  Since free agency hasn't happened yet, we have no idea who is going to be available.  If an impact DE is available, you get him.  Same goes for a TE in the draft although Fred Davis from USC would be an excellent pick.

Look, there are lots of ways to make the team better.

They could re-sign L.J. and the tight end spot is locked up.  They could then draft an impact DE in the first round, they could get an impact WR in the draft if they trade up, on and on it goes.

My point remains, drafting an OT is stupid if the idea is to compete in 2008.  If it isn't, then go ahead and get an OT.  But you have to decide on a path.  You can't do both because the Eagles weren't good enough in 2007 and without a lot of help this offseason they won't be good enough in 2008.

[ice grillin you]

The Eagles could sign Donte Stallworth, draft a tight end in the first round, get a defensive end via free agency and draft a third cornerback in the second round.

That makes them an instant contender in the NFC assuming that everyone else comes back healthy and productive.

and what happens when Tra has his annual back injury/blood clot/whatever?  Justice again?

justice > williams right now

williams will not be ready in 08...take him out of the equation...if you want him for 09 or 10 to replace runyan and or tra then thats a valid argument but drafting him this year is not a solution for any potential injuries or retirements in 08

if tra goes down herremans moves out or justice/mccoy move in...and im guessing they may sign a tackle in FA