Post up the top three players you most want the Eagles to select on Saturday in the first round. Or do you want them to trade back into the high second? Obviously they have no shot at guys like Calvin Johnson, Patrick Willis (who I would love to see here) or guys like that.
1. Brandon Meriweather - S
2. Reggie Nelson - S
3. Lawrence Timmons - LB
Meriweather, Nelson or Olsen
id be equally happy with moss or any of the three safties and id rank the safties like this...
1. griffin
2. merriweather
3. nelson
I wouldn't mind Moss...any DE who can get to QB, I'm cool with. But I really like Nelson, Meriweather and Timmons.
Jessica Alba.
Merriweather
Nelson
Griffin
I wouldn't mind Moss...any DE who can get to QB, I'm cool with. But I really like Nelson, Meriweather and Timmons.
in general i want an influx of talent in the front seven...timmons i absolutely love as i did sims last year but hes not even on my mind cause one hes not gonna be there and two theres no chance they take him if he is...
so i guess timmons would be my first choice...but its not gonna happen
Timmons won't last to #26 and hoping the Eagles take a LB in the first round is :-D worthy.
Meriweather's past injuries and the shtein that happened on the field in the brawl undoubtedly concern Reid & Heckert, so he's out. That leaves Griffin & Nelson.
Either one would do nicely but I'd take Nelson just because I've seen him play more.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on April 25, 2007, 12:11:37 PM
Jessica Alba.
I'll take her tomorrow and Friday, and you can have her Saturday.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 25, 2007, 12:17:18 PM
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so i guess timmons would be my first choice...but its not gonna happen
Once again, you set yourself up to be pissed off by the front office's decision well in advance. You're getting really good at it.
not set up at all...i didnt even list him originally...and i said that hes not even on my mind as hes not gonna be there and they wont pick him anyway....for purposes of phreaks thread i said timmons
Maybe you could name a couple of guys that might be there at 26 that you would also like the Eagles to take.
Personally, I want the Eagles to draft mini-Ditka. I'm already furious they're not going to.
1. Griffen
2. Nelson
3. Moss
I would say Timmons, but I don't think there is any way he'll be there past 22.
Maybe you could name a couple of guys that might be there at 26 that you would also like the Eagles to take.
reading the actual thread before posting is always pretty cool
Here is another question, if the Birds don't go safety in round one, what safety/DB in round 2 would you be happy with?
Here is another question, if the Birds don't go safety in round one, what safety/DB in round 2 would you be happy with?
if they cant get one of merriweather....nelson...griffin...i dont think there is anything that says they gotta got db in round two...plus there isnt a safety i like at all in that round...if they cant grab one of the big three then i go front seven on defense...id love to get justin durant in the 2nd....he reminds me a lot of demeco ryans...
watch out tho for eric weddle in the second...hes an eagle type guy and is from utah
whatever they do if they draft (http://www.draftace.com/players2007/stewart_bradley.jpg) i will end myself
I'll take the white Sanjaya.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 25, 2007, 01:37:16 PM
watch out tho for eric weddle in the second...hes an eagle type guy and is from utah
i think thats a pretty good guess for round 2 also.
for round 1, i haven't heard anyone name jon beason. i like him.
i like beason a lot too...they just arent gonna take a linebacker there
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 25, 2007, 01:37:16 PM
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I can't look at that picture and not laugh.
I want Nelson. People are retarded when they say he's "too dumb." Have they seen Reggie play? He has awesome instincts. I'd rather have football smarts than book smarts for a football player.
Sounds like Dawkins. Dawk isnt going to be writing many books but he could play.
Jeff Garcia.
A safety or a number 1 wide out something they don't have. Kevin Curtis is no good and i think Brown works out better as a number 2. Take the best player out of the two possitions S or WR but i don't think i good enough WR will be left and i'm sure a very good Safety will be left. I like Meriweather because of his coverage one big reason Lewis is now a 49er and i know Andy will not take a wide out in the first round
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on April 25, 2007, 02:24:35 PM
Sounds like Dawkins. Dawk isnt going to be writing many books but he could play.
Exactly. And it's not like safety is a super complex position to learn. You're hardly left out on an island against a single man (as a FS) and play zone very often.
Merriweather
Griffin
Moss
Kyle Brady
If they got either Nelson or Griffin I would be ecstatic. I would really love to see David Harris in an Eagles uniform as well.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on April 25, 2007, 12:21:31 PM
Timmons won't last to #26 and hoping the Eagles take a LB in the first round is :-D worthy.
Meriweather's past injuries and the shtein that happened on the field in the brawl undoubtedly concern Reid & Heckert, so he's out. That leaves Griffin & Nelson.
Either one would do nicely but I'd take Nelson just because I've seen him play more.
You do know the Eagles have never taken a safety in the first either, right?
Anyway, if we stay at 26: Meriweather, Nelson, Moss. I don't want Griffin at 26, but would take him if we traded down.
Move down? Griffin, Leonard, maybe Harris if he's there and dependng how many picks we get.
Move up? Carriker
Griffin.
BC,
who can we expect to see go on Saturday from Boston College? How good are those two O linemen?
Merriweather/Nelson - tie
Harris LB
Spencer DE/OLB
Griffin
Beason
Leonard
watch the eagles go for something we least expect and draft a long snapper or something.
Quote from: Don Ho on April 26, 2007, 03:22:09 AM
BC,
who can we expect to see go on Saturday from Boston College? How good are those two O linemen?
James Marten projects as a RT in the NFL and Josh Beekman can play any of the interior line positions. Beekman will be an absolute stud in the NFL IMO, although I'm not as sold on Marten. Both should go in the third round, maybe late second (Beekman was considered a possible late first round pick but slipped due to his performance at the combine, Marten was originally a second-day guy and moved up). Marten played LT, LG, and RG at various times at BC, so he could end up as a utility backup, Artis Hicks type. I don't want to see the Eagles draft either guy simply because I don't want us to go OL, especially on day one.
A couple guys I like as UDFAs are WR Tony Gonzalez and S Ryan Glasper. Glasper is a very good athlete and a great locker room guy, he can play either safety position and spent most of last year recovering from an injury, apparently scouts told him that if he'd redshirted and entered the draft next year he'd have been a first-day pick. Gonzalez is a very tough kid, kind of reminds me of Freddie Mitchell in his style of play but is a very quiet, humble kid so he obviously isn't FredEx off the field. Neither guy is a draft-quality player, but I wouldn't mind seeing the Birds pick up either one as a UDFA.
Our draft class next year will be huge, could have 6-7 guys or even more go. I like DT BJ Raji (poor man's Haloti Ngata), LB JoLonn Dunbar (plays MIKE in college but probably projects to WIL in the NFL), S Jamie Silva (not a very athletic kid but incredibly hard worker and hits like a truck, he's going to be a special teams ace for a while), and CB DeJuan Tribble (great cover corner and PR) for the Eagles. Also Matt Ryan if McNabb pulls a Culpepper.
watch the eagles go for something we least expect and draft a long snapper or something.
i think a surprise pick that could happen would be meachem
i want them to go Defense in the first round, possibly all of DAY 1 (since i do not think our offense is that horrible), but i do not really want a DE in the first round. if all the top rated safeties and or LBs are somehow magically gone then I guess a DE/DT would be fine.
any talk of the eagles moving up or down?
I want Demons 9 year old son to suite up at reciever. He's the perfect size and has SPEED I say.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 26, 2007, 01:21:01 PM
watch the eagles go for something we least expect and draft a long snapper or something.
i think a surprise pick that could happen would be meachem
I could also see them moving back if the opportunity presented itself. If not, I think they will be active moving up in the later rounds to get guys they want (Chris Gocongs, Matt McCoys, of the world). A later round target I really like is Anthony Waters, the ILB out of Clemson (see avatar). Dude had an injury (torn ACL) just like Michael Bush in the first game of the season. If had come out last year and forgone his senior year, he was projected as a first day pick. He could go as low as late five this year.
my perfect draft with other favorites as potential picks
1. moss - de
a. michael griffin - s
b. brandon merriweather -s
c. reggie nelson - s
2. justin durant - wil or sam
a. josh wilson - cb
b. tank tyler - de
c. jason hill - wr
3. michael bush - rb
a. fred bennent - cb
b. quincy black - sam
c. ben patrick - te
5. marvin white - s
a. johnnie higgins - wr
b. nate harris - mlb
c. chase johnson - ot
6. johnnie lee higgins - wr
a. jacob ford - de
a. yamon fugures - kr/wr
b. tala esera - g
7. cameron stephenson - g
a. earl everett - wil/sam
b. jeff samardzija - wr
c. reggie lewis - cb
Quote from: Phanatic on April 26, 2007, 01:42:59 PM
I want Demons 9 year old son to suite up at reciever. He's the perfect size and has SPEED I say.
At least he's not Pinkston.
i would put money on the eagles picking keith jackson sometime in day 2.
I'd like to see them take Nelson or Griffen.
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on April 26, 2007, 03:13:39 PM
I'd like to see them take Nelson or Griffen.
I agree. If one of the good safeties are there, I think that should be a priority.
If not, they should draft BPA from any of these positions: DE, LB, or TE. If a CB is still there that really sticks out, MAYBE.
Quote from: PPinDC on April 26, 2007, 02:08:47 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 26, 2007, 01:21:01 PM
watch the eagles go for something we least expect and draft a long snapper or something.
i think a surprise pick that could happen would be meachem
I could also see them moving back if the opportunity presented itself. If not, I think they will be active moving up in the later rounds to get guys they want (Chris Gocongs, Matt McCoys, of the world). A later round target I really like is Anthony Waters, the ILB out of Clemson (see avatar). Dude had an injury (torn ACL) just like Michael Bush in the first game of the season. If had come out last year and forgone his senior year, he was projected as a first day pick. He could go as low as late five this year.
I love Waters as well. I'd like to trade down out of the 3rd and into the 4th to get him, but I like him enough that I'd reach for him in the 3rd if we can't move down.
Quote from: phattymatty on April 26, 2007, 03:06:42 PM
i would put money on the eagles picking keith jackson sometime in day 2.
Short, undersized, unathletic DT with almost no ability to rush the passer?
Oh yeah... guaranteed he's an Eagle.
If they don't draft Ricky Williams, I'm going to boo. Loud.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on April 26, 2007, 04:22:25 PM
If they don't draft Ricky Williams, I'm going to boo. Loud.
Holla @ teh wayback machine.
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I want Calvin Friggen' Johnson....or at least a reciever drafted by this great coach and great FO that isn'at a fargin' bust.
I like Ted Ginn Jr. If he doesn't make it at wideout, he'd be a good return guy.
And i want a blowjob, but that aint happening :'( , either is Calvin Johnson being an Eagle
Quote from: shorebird on April 26, 2007, 08:52:15 PM
I want Calvin Friggen' Johnson....or at least a reciever drafted by this great coach and great FO that isn'at a fargin' bust.
I like Ted Ginn Jr. If he doesn't make it at wideout, he'd be a good return guy.
If Ginn were to fall to Philly's spot I would hope they run that card to the podium. I really don't want a WR in the first at all, but his return ability make him worth a late first alone.
I'd take a wideout in the first round if it were Ginn. Linebacker and Safety positions are proven to still have good players in rounds 2-3.
I just can't get off the thought that this offense needs a speed guy to streatch D's and make it work for Dmac to spread it around.
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on April 26, 2007, 08:56:32 PM
And i want a blowjob, but that aint happening :'( , either is Calvin Johnson being an Eagle
Oh, so you've been married for 14 years too?
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 26, 2007, 03:00:37 PM
my perfect draft with other favorites as potential picks
b. tala esera - g
Hawaii, represent!
From Eckel's mock draft;
Quote26. EAGLES -- This is a fact: The team is trying to move out of the first round and has already called San Francisco, which has two third-round picks and three fourth-round choices. If they don't move, the Eagles take Purdue defensive end Anthony Spencer, who reminds a lot of people of Derrick Burgess
He has JaMarcus Russell slipping to 9th
The entire thing (http://www.nj.com/columns/times/eckel/index.ssf?/base/columns-0/1177647089196450.xml&coll=5&thispage=1)
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 25, 2007, 01:37:16 PM
Here is another question, if the Birds don't go safety in round one, what safety/DB in round 2 would you be happy with?whatever they do if they draft (http://www.draftace.com/players2007/stewart_bradley.jpg) i will end myself
The loves of IGY's life....Stewart Bradley and David Bergeron
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Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 27, 2007, 06:30:49 AM
From Eckel's mock draft;
Quote26. EAGLES -- This is a fact: The team is trying to move out of the first round and has already called San Francisco, which has two third-round picks and three fourth-round choices. If they don't move, the Eagles take Purdue defensive end Anthony Spencer, who reminds a lot of people of Derrick Burgess
He has JaMarcus Russell slipping to 9th
The entire thing (http://www.nj.com/columns/times/eckel/index.ssf?/base/columns-0/1177647089196450.xml&coll=5&thispage=1)
reminds them of burgess huh? so he will suck and get injured for a couple of years and then sign somewhere else to show his true ability?
1. Merriweather
2. Nelson
3. Moss
4. Griffin
5. Beason
6. Ross
I just can't get off the thought that this offense needs a speed guy to streatch D's and make it work for Dmac to spread it around.
hank 80 X 2 baskett yo
He has JaMarcus Russell slipping to 9th
that is mind boggling especially when you consider his mock is what he thinks is going to happen not how he thinks it should go...how could his editors even allow him to write such a travesty
he also has calvin johnson going to the raiders....while thats a trillion times more likely than russell going 9th lol there isnt one person anywhere that is saying it will happen....hes gotta purposely be trying to be different from everyone else...
I'd like the Eagles to trade up and take Willis. So long as we're wishing for the moon...
so you want me to PM you the draft party directions or what?
no thanks
If Ginn were to fall to Philly's spot I would hope they run that card to the podium. I really don't want a WR in the first at all, but his return ability make him worth a late first alone.
if youre looking for KR hope the birds take yo figures on the second day...hes only a KR but he is amazing...plus he passes the name test with flying colors
The idea of the Eagles taking Anthony Spencer angers me for some reason.
C'mon...he's from Purdue!
Does Eckel say who he thinks the Eagles are trying to trade up for? I put 0 validity in anything he says but it would be good for a laugh.
It's not the fact that he's from Purdue, oddly enough.
It probably has something to do with a completely unfounded gut feeling that he's wildly mediocre as a player.
Wildly mediocre??
Right. It's like "very unique"... a useless adverb thrown in for dramatic effect.
Link (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/6741422)
Foxsports ranked the Eagles 2005 draft as the 3rd best draft this decade, no mention of the 2002 draft which was much better.
wouldnt it be amazing if they traded up somehow and got johnson?
forget about ever running the ball again.
I think Spencer would anger me too...
And I'd love to see them take Willis, but no shot whatsoever.
I have absolutely no clue who they are going to take.
The Eagles don't need another defensive end who can't play all three downs. They have about 10 of them already so Spencer and Moss should be out.
I'd rather see them take the best cornerback available because the pass rush will eventually suck again next year when Kearse goes down after being struck by lightning or Howard disappears like a fart in a hurricane, and a cornerback who can cover will be a necessity because of that.
In other words, the idea of Will Peterson or Joselio Hanson as the nickel corner scares the hell out of me, especially when they're playing against the Cowpokes and the Vadges.
if youre talking about just next year will peterson is a way better cornerback than any guy they can get at 26
they need to fill the front seven with young talent...and they need to do it right now
If they take a DE in the 1st, I would hope it is Jarvis Moss.
They do need youth there. Howard, who knows what he'll do this year. He has to stay healthy. Same with Kearse - he needs to stay healthy and bulk up from the 235-240 he's at now.
Trent Cole has to play a whole season strong. The last two years he's gone sackless in the final 6 games.
Juqua Thomas is just a guy. Can he build on last year? Not likely. But he's good for 5-6 a year.
I agree but I don't see a defensive end or tackle being there who is any better than the guys they have now.
If Willis fell or they could trade up to get him, then I'd say go for it. If Timmons fell to them, I'd grab him too.
PS: Will Peterson sucks ass, IGY.
Will Peterson is pretty good, Rome. Remember last year he was signed midway through the season and hadn't played in awhile. He wasn't exactly conditioned.
I'll take him as the nickel. Hell, I actually prefer him to Rod Hood now. Hood's play dropped off last year, IMO. He started giving up long balls and his run support was non-existant.
And if Willis makes it past SF and BUF, the Eagles better be on that phone and offering every spare part they have to move the hell up.
PS: Will Peterson sucks ass, IGY.
negative chief
if hes healthy...and admittedly thats a fairly large if...hes actually a very good third corner...as j said as good if not better than hood who was very solid in his own right
I could see them taking a corner is that is by far the best player on the board, only because James is signed to a one-year deal and they could groom a corner to be their nickel corner in 08-09
QuoteTrent Cole has to play a whole season strong. The last two years he's gone sackless in the final 6 games.
he's not big enough to be a 3-down player. he would be most effective playing passing situations only, but due to other injuries he has been forced into starting roles his first two years.
Quote from: SunMo on April 27, 2007, 11:50:36 AM
I could see them taking a corner is that is by far the best player on the board, only because James is signed to a one-year deal and they could groom a corner to be their nickel corner in 08-09
QuoteTrent Cole has to play a whole season strong. The last two years he's gone sackless in the final 6 games.
he's not big enough to be a 3-down player. he would be most effective playing passing situations only, but due to other injuries he has been forced into starting roles his first two years.
Agreed. But I would hope that he could develop into a guy who can play 3 downs. If he can, and sustain the level of play he does in the first 2/3's of the year, it would be nice.
As for them taking a corner, I don't know. I would like Leon Hall, but no shot there. Maybe Aaron Ross. I don't know if I am on the Chris Houston bandwagon. Mostly because that homo Steuber is swinging from his jock, but I am always wary of guys who shoot up because of fast times. He did play pretty good against top WRs last year, but still.
killa is bigger than burgess and in phenominal shape...theres no reason he cant and wont lead the league in sacks one day...if he cant play the run cause hes to small thats one thing but i dont believe he has worn down the last two years...maybe he was hurt or maybe he just didnt play well due to factors like being double teamed
He's not too shabby of a run defender. Teams run at him because they know he can flow to the ball well. Maybe the doubles did get to him. That's why they absolutely need Kearse to stay healthy. Because Freak takes away pressure from the other guys.
I guess I'm missing something where Peterson's concerned. Are you guys suggesting that any of the cornerbacks who would be available at the bottom of the first round wouldn't be preferable to him? I didn't see much of anything from him last year, and although that might have been because of him learning the defense or rebounding from his injury, I just don't see him being the answer at the #3 corner.
Are you guys suggesting that any of the cornerbacks who would be available at the bottom of the first round wouldn't be preferable to him?
no one knows what any of the late first early second corners are gonna do in their careers but im pretty certain none of them would come in this year and unseat peterson who again is a nice third corner....hell if peterson proves to be able to stay healthy he can be a starting quality corner...he was with the giants before he got hurt
If Revis or Leon hall are there they have to take them. I was extremely happy with Peterson and not happy they let his test the market after the season. When he's healthy he's a starting CB in this league.
I'd take a CB in round 2...I like Fred Bennett from SC.
2. justin durant - wil or sam
a. josh wilson - cb
b. tank tyler - dt
c. jason hill - wr
3. michael bush - rb
a. fred bennent - cb
b. quincy black - sam
c. ben patrick - te
I got 'em taking Bennett in the 2nd in my CF mock.
I like Quincy Black too.
getting the rounds correct after the first is really tough...hell even the first isnt always easy....look at justice last year
later on tho is a total crapshoot....there are literally players that could go in the 4th round or be undrafted
Banking on Will-iam JamesPeterson this year and beyond angers me, but the 1st round is probably too early to draft a guy that won't break any higher than 3rd on the depth chart until at least 2011 or something... so CB is a questionable call.
I want them to draft a safety, but that would mean they'd actually have to let him push Considine but learn both positions. Defensive line is always good to build if there's a value pick available, but only if the kid can actually play and produce on 1st through 3rd downs as a rookie. They don't have the luxury to blow the pick on a kid that won't play meaningful time this year.
Linebacker is the one position that I feel fits the Eagles' MO. Trotter's declined, and Spikes only has 2 years on his deal. Jones sucks, but they're keeping him around. Gaither's good, but he might level off. Gocong and McCoy could start or not be on the team at all, depending on what they are or aren't able to do. If they draft a guy, they could play him in spots but also plan to use him for the future. That said, with Willis jumping up draft boards... who's worth it at #26?
I think they'll grab a safety in round 1... or trade down/out.
Lawrence Timmons at 26 would be worth it.
I think Dhani is going to get cut.
Lawrence Timmons at 26 would be worth it.
or beason
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 27, 2007, 01:11:22 PM
Lawrence Timmons at 26 would be worth it.
Yes, but he won't be there.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 27, 2007, 01:11:22 PM
I think Dhani is going to get cut.
That would be nice.
What would be even nicer is if some stupid GM out there would take him in a trade tomorrow or Sunday.
I think my love for Patrick Willis surpasses that of Beermonkey's man-love for Jevon Kearse a couple years ago.
Beermonkey was pretty clear that he would allow Jevon to violate his rectum, so it's disturbing to even begin to ponder what you'd allow Willis to do to you.
Felching
Hmmm, I missed the cornhole violation part. If thats the case, I'm out. Or I'd subcontract Chuggie to take it for me.
I'm hoping Dhani gets cut. Not just from the team, but I also hope someone stabs him.
does anyone really think the eagles are gonna take a day one running back...i personally would be shocked...but all you hear is tony hunt this brian leonard that in the second round
imo the fact that they brought buck back eliminiates any chance for a rb tomorrow.....you dont need to take a rb for the future as its the one position that can step right in from the jump and play...and i dont think they will use a 2nd or 3rd simply to come in and challenge buck for a back up job
What'd Buck get? A 2yr deal? And Spads has continually said he doesn't trust him to stay healthy - so that means neither do the Eagles. He even has mentioned a "big back" in recent posts. I could see one going in the 3rd. Mike Bush or Tony Hunt - either one is cool w/ me.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 27, 2007, 01:11:22 PM
Lawrence Timmons at 26 would be worth it.
I think Dhani is going to get cut.
I'd squirt a little if that happened.
QuoteDraft guru Kiper isn't buying Meriweather hype
By BOB GROTZ, bgrotz@comcast.net
04/26/2007
PHILADELPHIA - Safety Reggie Nelson, running back Brian Leonard or a wide receiver, not conflict ridden safety Brandon Meriweather, is the Eagles' pick if they hang in at No. 26 according to ESPN draft guru Mel Kiper.
Speculation has swirled about the Eagles' intentions in the first round of the two-day NFL Draft that begins at noon Saturday.
Several scouts and various sources expect the Birds to draft a defensive player, most likely a defensive back. It's likely that at least two of the five players the Eagles anticipate being on the board after the first 25 picks are safeties.
Kiper, however, vehemently disagrees that Meriweather will be the guy, which would be pleasing to gun control proponents considering the University of Miami's recent past.
Meriweather pulled a pistol out of his pants last July and squeezed off three rounds in the direction of an assailant who shot a teammate in the buttocks outside their off-campus apartment. Authorities ruled that he acted in self defense with a registered gun.
A few months later Meriweather played a leading role in an on-field brawl with Florida International, one featuring kicking.
Eagles general manager Tom Heckert says the team has spoken with draftable players with character issues. Heckert later said he didn't think Meriweather was a bad guy.
"Some of these guys have issues where they've never really been arrested or charged or convicted or anything like that," Heckert said. "So I think you have to weigh each one of them and just find out as much as you can because from a legal standpoint there's nothing on them. The bottom line is we talk to the kid and come out of the room with, 'we like this guy or we don't.'"
The way Kiper sees it, character is only part of the equation for Meriweather (5-101/2, 192), who isn't a big safety and for all of his alleged coverage skills managed just one interception in a dozen games last year.
"He's more of a second-round pick," Kiper said Wednesday on a conference call. "I don't think he's played well enough to be a first-round pick. You'll take a chance in the second or the third round, not in the first. Teams will roll the dice a little bit more there than in the first round."
In that vein Kiper thinks the Eagles - if they haven't drafted a big back like Leonard of Rutgers - could take a chance in the third round on Michael Bush (6-2, 251) of the Louisville, still not all the way back from foot surgery that left him with a titanium plate. When healthy Bush is a load and probably a first-round pick in a draft where Adrian Peterson of Oklahoma is the only franchise type back. But Bush has had injury problems throughout his career.
"You're almost drafting him more for 2008 than 2007," Kiper said.
The wide receivers Kiper has coming off the board in the first round are Calvin Johnson of Georgia Tech, Ted Ginn Jr. of Ohio State, Dwayne Jarrett and Steve Smith of USC, Robert Meachem of Tennessee and Dwayne Bowe of LSU.
While Johnson will be the first or second pick in the draft, it's possible a chunk of the remaining receivers will be available.
Though Bowe might be the most polished, with 41 touchdown receptions in three seasons, Jarrett (6-4, 215) could make the biggest impact as a rookie.
Ginn, still not all the way back from a foot injury, is the fastest receiver hopeful when healthy and also returns kicks.
Kiper has the Eagles grabbing Nelson, an athletic, Ed Reed-coverage type safety out of Florida poo-poohed for his lack of tenacity near the line of scrimmage going to the Eagles at 26.
That's slightly ahead of cornerback Chris Houston of Arkansas, a physical coverage player, Michael Griffin of Texas, a physical if not over-aggressive safety with cornerback skills, Bowe and Smith.
Then there is Leonard, a powerful runner, willing blocker and sure-handed receiver who at 224 pounds ran a sizzling 4.52 in the 40-yard dash at the scouting combine and bench pressed 225 pounds 28 times.
There isn't much Leonard can't do.
"I think he's going to be combination back," Heckert said. "He's a guy that will do whatever you want him to do. I think he's a big halfback. The guy played fullback. He's going to be a good special teams player. He can catch the ball. He's kind of a jack of all trades guy."
Depending on what happens in the first round, Leonard could be on the Eagles' radar.
"They could take a guy like Brian Leonard very easily," Kiper said.
If Kiper is right, so could Meriweather, Griffin and Nelson, all fast enough, versatile enough and flat-out talented enough to help the Eagles in the secondary and on special teams.
"You draft the best player at a position of need, and normally there are four or five need areas," Kiper said. "But you also can still draft the best player because you're getting the best player at a variety of positions which means that's a highly rated guy and you're not dipping down lower than you should.
"You might skip a guy who you just flat-out can't draft that you have a high grade on but your board can be set to take care of that. Ratings are subjective and within the framework of the organization critical to how that team operates. But you're drafting the best available player at a position of need in the NFL right now."
A 2yr deal? And Spads has continually said he doesn't trust him to stay healthy - so that means neither do the Eagles
theyve attempted to go into the season with buck as their back up in 2004 2005 2006.....three years...and now this year after buck actually played a whole season spads is so concered with his health that he thinks they are gonna take a back??
i call bullshtein
they might take one but bucks health being the reason given by the team would be ridiculously disengenious
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 27, 2007, 01:36:50 PM
does anyone really think the eagles are gonna take a day one running back...i personally would be shocked...but all you hear is tony hunt this brian leonard that in the second round
If Leonard falls it wouldn't surprise me
Either way, I think they take a RB and we see Moats dealt. Or perhaps they take Bush knowing that he probably won't be 100% until 2008.
I like Pittman from OSU too...but he'll be gone early-mid 2nd, IMO
My buddy's got extra tickets to the draft day party at the Linc if anyone wants them.
Again... Brian Leonard in the first round? No.
Quote from: Magical_Retard on April 27, 2007, 10:34:48 AM
wouldnt it be amazing if they traded up somehow and got johnson?
forget about ever running the ball again.
Yeah, especially since they'd probably have to trade Brian Westbrook to move up that far.
Judging from majority of what you fargers have written, none of you have seen Anthony Spencer play.
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Quote from: Dillen on April 27, 2007, 05:39:40 PM
Judging from majority of what you fargers have written, none of you have seen Anthony Spencer play.
I could very well see the Eagles taking him, and I wouldn't be that angry about it. We need a DE more than we need a corner or safety, and he can get to the QB. The only problem is, I'm not sure if he is a good run stopping DE. I didn't watch Purdue play that often, so I couldn't say.
My biggest want in the entire draft is a top-tier DE, and I'm just hopping that we could get up for Anderson or Carriker if they fall, but I don't expect them to fall far enough.
Spencer isn't a great stopper, like Carriker, for example. He may be "undersized" because he's only 260 pounds or so, but he looks real muscular. He's one of the best DEs I have ever seen in chasing down plays from behind. Awesome speed and really relentless. I think he had something like 28 TFL this year.
Quote from: Dillen on April 27, 2007, 06:43:43 PM
He's one of the best DEs I have ever seen in chasing down plays from behind.
This sounds like an Eagles type of guy right here, and not in a good way.
You mean like when he plays LDE and the offense does a toss to the left? As in pursuit from the opposite side of the field.
I don't know why, but I have the feeling that at 26 there will be a lot of guys that would look real nice in an Eagles uniform, and we just end up trading down anyway.
I really want a DE though. If you look back at the season as a whole, you can blame a lot of it on poor run defense, and not getting to the QB when it mattered. As much as I'm not thrilled with Considine being our starting SS, I'm way more concerned about the defensive line right now. Kearse even when healthy was only a 7.5 sack guy. Howard was a bum last year who is always hurt. Cole didn;t have a sack in his last 6 games, and only had .5 in the playoffs. We need a guy on this defensive line who is going to get to the QB consistently. Not one good game out of 5, and not disappear for 6 games at a time.
Looking at corner, I'm fine with Will James starting at nickel. We need another CB to add for depth but it does not have to be first day. The defensive line was the downfall of this team, combined with the linebacking corps. LB was addressed with Spikes, and now DE has to be addressed. Hopefully first round.
What would be perfect is if we trade down into the 2nd and Spencer is still there. I don't think he would be personally, but I've seen him go in the mid 40's in some mocks. But then again, what do they know?
I mean the Eagles have been drafting a lot of guys who work really hard to be sort of near the point where they could actually make a big play.
@King Cole
I kind of agree with the whole DE>DB thought. I wouldnt take a safety at 26 unless its Nelson, and not a corner unless it's Revis/maybe Ross. There's a lot better value of a 1st round DE and 3rd round S (Anthony Spencer and Gerald Alexander) than the other way around (Michael Griffin and
@FF
Seriously, it's so hard to try and understand your posts. All your posts change so much and I really have no idea what that last post meant (unless youre hinting at hard working honkies with no athletic ability,) but Spencer had 81 tackles, 10.5 Sacks, 26.5 TFL, and 5 FF last year. He makes a shteinload of plays for a DE.
1. Reggie Nelson
2. David Harris
3. Tony Hunt
I really pray these players are still on the board at these times and if they are i think the eagles need to take them. I like Nelson as a playmaker, Harris is all around good and would fit perfect as an eagle, and i don't hear anything about Hunt I think he is better then Lenord because he has more upside and was a workhorse at Penn State and would be the perfect complement to Westbrook
They're going to trade down and grab two offensive lineman. They'll draft no LBs, and Dhani will start all 16 games this year. :yay
Quote from: mlbsports23 on April 27, 2007, 07:05:32 PM
2. David Harris
3. Tony Hunt
Wow. I never thought of that. It would be totally awesome for the Birds to take to guys that aren't projected to be anywhere near the first round by anyone. No one would see that coming!
Probably because it would be utterly retarded.
Quote from: PPinDC on April 27, 2007, 07:16:11 PM
Quote from: mlbsports23 on April 27, 2007, 07:05:32 PM
2. David Harris
3. Tony Hunt
Wow. I never thought of that. It would be totally awesome for the Birds to take to guys that aren't projected to be anywhere near the first round by anyone. No one would see that coming!
Probably because it would be utterly retarded.
He was obviously saying he wanted Harris in the 2nd and Hunt in the 3rd, actually.
Like the new avatar. And farg off for beating me to it.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on April 27, 2007, 07:27:44 PM
Like the new avatar. And farg off for beating me to it.
im in ur Steuber, mockin my draftz
Quote from: General_Failure on April 27, 2007, 07:07:17 PM
They're going to trade down and grab two offensive lineman. They'll draft no LBs, and Dhani will start all 16 games this year. :yay
Ohhhh gawd.
Quote from: General_Failure on April 27, 2007, 07:07:17 PM
They're going to trade down and grab two offensive lineman. They'll draft no LBs, and Dhani will start all 16 games this year. :yay
Go ahead and slap yourself!
Judging from majority of what you fargers have written, none of you have seen Anthony Spencer play
ive seen spencer play several times and ive watched a lot of online video of him...he will be vanilla in the nfl...cant recall who..i think it was ff...but someone compared him to brandon whiting which is pretty much right on...anyother way to describe him is to say hes jarvis moss with 1/10th of the explosiveness....
if youre a small DE you better makeup for it with some top end athleticism...which he doesnt have...reminds me of gocong...of course hes better than that because of the competition hes faced but hes a similar prospect imo
Spencer isn't like Whiting at all. Whiting was huge for a DE. He could play DT and DE. Whiting didnt have much athleticism (if at all) and didnt have a wide variety of moves. I know Spencer isn't an athletic freak but it isnt as if he's Todd McCulloch.
Gocong has top end athleticism. Spencer doesnt. Once again, wrong.
Also, we are talking about the same Jarvis Moss right? The one that had 11 TFL and 7.5 sacks, both well below Spencer's stats? Also dont forget Moss was on one of the best defensive lines in college football with Cohen, McDonald and Harvey. I could care less if he's super athletic when it doesnt show up on the field.
Quote from: Dillen on April 28, 2007, 11:51:56 AM
Spencer isn't like Whiting at all. Whiting was huge for a DE. He could play DT and DE.
So, Spencer is a smaller Whiting? Yes, agreed.
Well, Spencer went at 26, and the Eagles instead got this Abiamiri character.
Abiamiri's bigger, so teh win!