per comcast sports nite...
how many farging high draft picks have been wasted by this team...incredible.
A rookie starter. They're desperate...
They aren't desperate, they're packing it in. They've given up on the season and probably want to see what some of the young guys can do. This is going to get gross.
that's fine, i need Steve Smith to come up big for me
Ha. Me too.
Quote from: SunMo on December 03, 2006, 10:20:07 PM
that's fine, i need Steve Smith to come up big for me
I picked up DeAngelo Williams just for the simple fact he was going up against the Eagles.
Yea I need Steve Smith, too.
Interesting. At least they are making changes.
Why is them benching a guy who drew a ton of criticism looked at as them packing it in? Why isn't it looked at as trying to find a spark? Or simply making a change to try anything to make that defense better...
On the other hand, IGY can put away his #51 voodoo doll now.
Half of me wants Gaither to suck it up because if he plays well the rest of the season they won't go out and sign a linebacker because starting Gaither will be the cheaper route to say they fixed the linebacker problem.
I want Gaither to do well. Who knows...maybe he will turn out to be something. He certainly looked good in limited snaps earlier. Sans the 12 man on the field penalty
Eskin on SF;
We will see less of Darwin Walker tomorrow night too.
Like it'll make a difference.
Glad to see they're spraying some windex on those revolving doors. :yay
Count me in too with the "needing a big game from Steve Smith" crowd.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 04, 2006, 12:05:32 AM
Eskin on SF;
We will see less of Darwin Walker tomorrow night too.
The seasons a wash, I would cut Walker if I were Reid to make a point, sort of like Bill Johnson. Guess this means we'll get a good look at what Bunkley can do tonight.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on December 04, 2006, 06:35:44 AM
The seasons a wash, I would cut Walker if I were Reid to make a point, sort of like Bill Johnson. Guess this means we'll get a good look at what Bunkley can do tonight.
If you mean arrive at the stadium on time with chicken, then I agree.
This week it's rack of lamb.
I'm disgusted that you guys aren't tailgating yet.
Fricken slackers.
:boo
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on December 04, 2006, 07:27:02 AM
I'm disgusted that you guys aren't tailgating yet.
Fricken slackers.
:boo
Wireless biatch. ;D
going by the posts here...i hope omar gaither lays great and breaks steve smiths leg on the first play
I'm really happy for this news. I can hardly contain my enthusiasm. Go Omar.
I'd concur with Phreak, they are probably looking for a spark.
I don't expect a lot out of Gaither. If he plays as 'well' as McCoy, he will at least keep the status quo in tact.
Isn't Gaither an MLB? McCoy hasn't been much, but he has been reletively okay at pass coverage. I hope Gaither is as fast, if not faster.
Quote from: King Cole on December 03, 2006, 11:46:17 PM
Half of me wants Gaither to suck it up because if he plays well the rest of the season they won't go out and sign a linebacker because starting Gaither will be the cheaper route to say they fixed the linebacker problem.
You are a moron. I want him to do exceedingly well (ala Cole), so that we don't have to go out and find another LB.
Quote from: Munson on December 04, 2006, 06:07:25 PM
Isn't Gaither an MLB? McCoy hasn't been much, but he has been reletively okay at pass coverage. I hope Gaither is as fast, if not faster.
He can play both.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 04, 2006, 06:47:54 PM
Quote from: Munson on December 04, 2006, 06:07:25 PM
Isn't Gaither an MLB? McCoy hasn't been much, but he has been reletively okay at pass coverage. I hope Gaither is as fast, if not faster.
He can play both.
and neither.
Losing Corey Simon was the demise of this defense![/hunt] :D
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 04, 2006, 06:59:17 PM
Losing Corey Simon was the demise of this defense![/hunt] :D
Losing the Corey Simon of 2000-2003 was the demise of this defense. Darwin Walker blows without a dominating, get double-teamed tackle next to him.
Darwin Walker could have Fat Ted Washington next to him and still suck.
I guess Gaither did no worse than McCoy.
i thought he did ok
next step for mccoy OUT of the league
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 05, 2006, 10:51:37 AM
next step for mccoy OUT of the league
Jason Short also got injured last night, so the white linebackers are falling off in chunks now.
Sean Considine in the next new problem. He can't tackle for shtein.
Poor tackling is a widespread problem in the NFL now. I watched several games on Sunday, and trust me, the Eagles aren't the only team whose defenders can't tackle worth a shtein.
The play where Michael Lewis busted his nose is a perfect example. He got beat and rather than simply wrap up Steve Smith and get him down to the ground, he tried to knock the shtein out of him instead. Result? About 20 YAC for Smith.
Just awful.
Quote from: MDS on December 05, 2006, 11:44:15 AM
Sean Considine in the next new problem. He can't tackle for shtein.
Lewis can usually tackle (although too often goes for the big hit and doesn't wrap up) but can't cover.
Considine can cover a little but can't tackle for shtein.
Awesome choices.
Gaither had a nice play on 3rd down, other than that I can't recall much from him.
I saw Gaither make 2 or 3 decent plays. The one positive was on every running play he wasn't being pancaked by a TE. At least on his feet he's another obstacle the RB had to deal with.
http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/sports/16166170.htm
QuoteGaither performed well, making five tackles. "It was great," he said. "It felt like a playoff atmosphere, and the best thing is that we came out of here with a win."
What does a rookie know about playoff atmosphere?
hes from charlotte....perhaps hes been to some panther playoff games before
Quote from: FFatPatt on December 05, 2006, 11:36:54 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 05, 2006, 10:51:37 AM
next step for mccoy OUT of the league
Jason Short also got injured last night, so the white linebackers are falling off in chunks now.
He also had another penalty last night too. One that pissed away good field position.
He's useless.
All you have to do is see Gaither on the field on a defensive play and know he's an upgrade because whenever McCoy was on the field and they ran a play he was nowhere to be seen. Probably because he was on his ass blown up by a blocker.
Wait, I thought you wanted Gaither to fail, so you could keep blaming Heckert for the state of the team.
Gaither's INT and the one pass he swatted were 2 more plays in the passing game than the entire Eagles OLB corps had all year until then. The kid's got some great instincts.
In other white boy losing his job news, I hope it was noted that Considine LAID CAMPBELL THE farg OUT on Mike Lewis's INT return. That's teamwork as only a no talent white boy can play it.
He made more plays yesterday than the Eagles OLBs in the past two years.
Sad.
I want Jones outta there. With Mike Lewis playing well as a LB in spot play I would use a Barber/Lewis platoon at SAM. Barber is playing too good to only be in nickle. But his knees need rest. So they can up his snaps a bit by platooning him there. That way he isn't taking 60+ snaps a week.
It's time to do whatever it takes. Whether "it" is unconventional or not.
* Barber/Lewis SAM platoon
* Westbrook and/or Sheppard on KR/PR's
* Less Darwin Walker, more Bunkley.
* Activate LaJuan Ramsey for the love of god
* They should be dressing all 5 DTs. Want to sacrifice a gameday roster spot? Sit Reno.
* Activate Moats and get him involved.
Don't just sit Reno; cut him (from the squad not with a knife). That botched punt return/fielding should cost him his job
The worst part is that he then did it AGAIN on a bouncing ball. He got away with it the 2nd time, but... Jeezus.
I wish I could have heard what Reid said to him after that fumble... maybe something like this:
"Reno, I can't hold water for you much longer if you keep doing shtein like that."
And then he was gun shy the rest of the game. He let one bounce that he should have fielded and it rolled an extra 10+ yards.
They have to fix that problem. LIke I said - Westbrook or Lito. Please.
And even if they want to keep him in there on PR's, I'd grudgingly be OK with that. But only if the KR portion of the game is fixed. They are continuously having to drive a long field. Its not all Mahe because he sometimes will get a lane. But that's like once every three weeks.
Harbaugh's squads are not getting it done. The KOR blocking is pathetic.
Barber leads the league in jumping jacks per play
Quote from: FFatPatt on December 11, 2006, 09:55:08 AM
Gaither's INT and the one pass he swatted were 2 more plays in the passing game than the entire Eagles OLB corps had all year until then. The kid's got some great instincts.
I agree. If they were to leave him there at WIL and let him learn the position from here on out, I'd be fine with that. He's one of the few guys on the D right now playing with any fire.
Problem is... if we leave him at WIL, then once again... we're looking for a successor for Trotter who's barely getting it done himself at this point.
well, Gaither played outside in college, so i think he'd just be getting adjusted to playing in the NFL, not learning a new position. him backing up Trotter at MLB was the new position for him.
I know... but it's just that the Eagles have been feeding him MLB shtein in JJ's defense his whole time here... and now all of a sudden, it's OLB in JJ's system... which is supposed to be so hard to learn anyway.
Truth be told, I thought it was kind of a dumb idea to put him at MLB to begin with since he's only like 230-235... so I'd love for him to stay on the outside and replace Trotter with a natural MLB.
If Gaither is better-suited to play WIL, let him play it! Another MLB can be signed/drafted.
i agree, but goes into their bullshtein philosophy of small but fast...
they are desperately trying to find the next Zach Thomas, and have failed miserably so far
Omar has played well as of late. His pick on Campbell was awesome.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 11, 2006, 10:31:42 AM
And then he was gun shy the rest of the game. He let one bounce that he should have fielded and it rolled an extra 10+ yards.
They have to fix that problem. LIke I said - Westbrook or Lito. Please.
And even if they want to keep him in there on PR's, I'd grudgingly be OK with that. But only if the KR portion of the game is fixed. They are continuously having to drive a long field. Its not all Mahe because he sometimes will get a lane. But that's like once every three weeks.
Harbaugh's squads are not getting it done. The KOR blocking is pathetic.
Not that I ever defend Reno ::) but after watching the kickoff return team yesterday this is clearly much more than a Reno problem. On most occasions Reno would get past the wedge which is fine but five or six of the blockers would just be blocking air. All standing upright looking totally lost as Reno runs into four defenders. I would be afraid for Westy's or Lito's life back there.
if watching someone like devin hester doesnt make the eagles realize what idiots they are for having reno back then then nothing will...along with sinorice moss i was advocating getting hester in the draft....playmakers playmakers playmakers
the eagles need more of them....the gaither move is a perfect example
more gaithers and less mccoys gocongs pattersons jones mcdougles considines ect would be a good thing
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 12, 2006, 08:24:47 AM
if watching someone like devin hester doesnt make the eagles realize what idiots they are for having reno back then then nothing will...along with sinorice moss i was advocating getting hester in the draft....playmakers playmakers playmakers
the eagles need more of them....the gaither move is a perfect example
more gaithers and less mccoys gocongs pattersons jones mcdougles considines lewis would be a good thing
That's a little closer.
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 12, 2006, 08:24:47 AM
more gaithers and less mccoys gocongs pattersons jones mcdougles considines ect would be a good thing
One of those things is not like the other... meaning I doubt they ever thought McDougle was a high-character guy. They got a top prospect from a team that usually makes some good pros, despite their lack of character overall. Yes, he's a bust, but he wasn't a "character" pickup like all the other guys you mentioned.
McDougle is straight from the streets, dawg.
One of those things is not like the other... meaning I doubt they ever thought McDougle was a high-character guy. They got a top prospect from a team that usually makes some good pros, despite their lack of character overall. Yes, he's a bust, but he wasn't a "character" pickup like all the other guys you mentioned.
i never mentioned character...im talking about guys that are limited in talent...guys that cant make plays....not even saying gaither is some huge playmaker but compared to mccoy he is and they made the right albeit suprising move of replacing mccoy
mcdougle wasnt a huge playmaker in college...not sure why they thought hed be one in the pros
Well, the Bears drafted Michael Haynes from Penn State the pick before, and he's been a winner also.
congrats in bringin up the bears in a discussion of teams with no defensive playmakers
also did they trade up for haynes?
Yes, they were set to draft 897th, but they traded Darwin Walker's thigh and a 4th to the Boston Braves.
McDougle won some sort of character award this year
http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/homeNewsDetail.jsp?id=60950
Well, his ratio of times-shot to times-having-an-impact-on-the-field is so low that the voters HAD to assume that there was a reason he is employed.
"IT MUST BE HIS CHARACTER!"
Yup. There's the reason he's still on the team.
10 tackles & 1 sack for OG today...
I believe the Eagles have found themselves a quality weakside linebacker.
I didn't think McCoy was playing bad but as of now I'd definitely take Gaither over him.
McCoy is fine in the nickel, on 3rd downs, and on STs. He's not an every day LB, he gets run over too easy. Gaither is the answer. He has size and speed and makes plays.
The best part about Gaither is that he's smart and he is fundamental in tackling. On his sack he did fall for Eli's pump to the right and continued to stay on his feet and was very diligent in his pursuit. If Gaither isn't just showing flashes and his play remains consistent, the Eagles might have to only look for one OLB this off-season.
Dhani sucks. He should have been benched after that personal foul call.
Gaither's been playing great, without question. He's exhibited a nice combination of consistent play and the ability to be a disruptive force. For a rookie, he's involved in a lot of activity out there. My only real problem with him all season has been when he's the 12th man on the field with the game on the line.
I think Gaither has been playing well, but Mike Mayock who is a great football analyst and maybe the best out there said when breaking down tape Gaither has been playing very average. He said he hits the wrong holes a lot of the time and is out of position often. He said the average fan might think he is playing well, because it is stuff you don't notice unless you break down the tape.
I disagree but he has a right to his own opinion.
without sounding to much like a talking head i will say that gaither is a football player...nothing he does jumps out at you he just makes plays
its gonna be interesting to see how he plays the rest of the year as a guage to whether he can be a full time nfl linebacker....if he is that would plug a monster offseason hole
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 18, 2006, 08:51:41 AM
without sounding to much like a talking head i will say that gaither is a football player...nothing he does jumps out at you he just makes plays
its gonna be interesting to see how he plays the rest of the year as a guage to whether he can be a full time nfl linebacker....if he is that would plug a monster offseason hole
Where are the admins - we better lock down IGY's account, looks like someone stole his password.
I just hope Gaither isn't pulling a Keith Adams on us - showing a lot of promise and playmaking ability, only to be an absolute non-factor next year when the Eagles are counting on him to start.
yeah its tricky...its situations like this that seperate good player personnel depts and bad ones
Quote from: King Cole on December 17, 2006, 10:13:25 PM
I think Gaither has been playing well, but Mike Mayock who is a great football analyst and maybe the best out there said when breaking down tape Gaither has been playing very average. He said he hits the wrong holes a lot of the time and is out of position often. He said the average fan might think he is playing well, because it is stuff you don't notice unless you break down the tape.
I disagree but he has a right to his own opinion.
I don't really care about anything else right now other than he's making plays. I forgot what a playmaking LB looked like it's been so long. Plus, he's only a rook, he's going to make mistakes but he's also making his share of plays. I'll accept that tradeoff.
Even if Mike Mayock is right what does that tell you about the rest of the LB Corps. that Gaither has made more plays this season than the other two OLBs seemingly combined.
Dhani Jones got to be one of the captains for the Eagles. Nice to see that he stepped up his play against his former team... meaning at least we didn't see him whiff more than once or twice.
Job #1 this offseason should be to get rid of that banjo strumming homo. The amount of suckitude he brings to the defense can't be measured by using conventional methods.
He actually played alright yesterday, IMO. Outside of the boneheaded penalty he got early on... I only remember one time I got pissed at him. He failed to get off a block that let Tiki get the outside and pick up about 10-12 yards... but he also dropped Tiki for about a 2-3 yard loss. Solid game... and NO AIR GUITAR!!!!!!
Everyone that got to go up the middle of the defense looked like a Pro Bowler yesterday, thanks to the Giants being without Shaun O'Hara. I even spotted Darwin Walker once or twice. And his thigh.
I saw the TE's blocking him 2 times on outside runs that he made no effort. Add to that he missed one tackle and ended up jumping onto dawks leg. He's garbage that needs to be taken out