Sigh.
Leon Hall!
time to draft another d lineman who cant play
Aren't you banned yet you farging tool?
Today's loss moved us from #18 to #16. A couple more losses and we'll be all the way up to #13!
easy is on it!
Get Ted Ginn.
9 teams are 2-5 right now
Quote from: BigEd76 on October 29, 2006, 08:41:59 PM
9 teams are 2-5 right now
Including the Pittsburgh Steelers and Oakland Raidahs!
:-D
how the hell have the birds won four times this year
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 29, 2006, 08:49:50 PM
how the hell have the birds won four times this year
they played the Niners, Packers, Texans and Cowboys
oh yeah
Arizona has the #1 right now but they don't need Quinn or Peterson. hmm....Joe Thomas after a trade down, I guess...
Can we draft a head coach?
Quote from: PhillyGirl on October 29, 2006, 07:40:56 PM
Aren't you banned yet you farging tool?
Are you talking about banning one of only 3 or 4 members of this board who has any sort of realistic perspective on this team? Just rename the site and be done with it. www.extremeeagles.com.
1. :-D
2. GBF is a tool though. And it's not because of his opinions about the Eagles.
Quote from: rjs246 on October 29, 2006, 09:45:00 PM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on October 29, 2006, 07:40:56 PM
Aren't you banned yet you farging tool?
Are you talking about banning one of only 3 or 4 members of this board who has any sort of realistic perspective on this team? Just rename the site and be done with it. www.extremeeagles.com.
Methinks she was talking about GeorgeBushFan.
yay, we're up to #15
Nice, but we only have one first rounder and have about 30 needs right now. Where to start?
Greg Olsen if he declares
One of the strongest positions on our team (DT) turned out to be one of the absolute biggest weaknesses. We drafted Bunkley and Ramsey and Patterson was another year into the system and Walker was healthy. We completely misjudged this DT rotation. Unless Bunkley turns into the stud he was projected to be back at the draft, then this DT rotation is one of the worst in football. Patterson is a solid DT, no more. He never will be a great DT, and with his lack of size you can expect him to get blown up a lot.
I didn't like the pick when the Eagles made it, but I'm still going to give him more time to develop. What I see right now is a decent but no more DT. He'll play good some games, okay in others and when he goes up against a punch you in the mouth line he'll get pushed around. Bunkley is way too good to become a bust. Unlike Patterson he actually has the size and to stand. But right now he isn't playing well. We can attribute that to many things, but if things don't change that will have been two wasted first round picks in 2 years.
We still got huge issues at DT folks, and it makes me sick that after 2 years of dedicating an offseason to fix it, it still isn't fixed. Reminds me of the farging QB situation before McNabb. Not time to panic yet, but right now at this moment it isn't good. Hopefully they go out and farging play.
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That doesn't qualify as a rant.
And it's ridiculous that you believe Bunkley will be a better DT than will Patterson.
When you think of Bunkley, think of Wendell Bryant.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on October 29, 2006, 09:48:01 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on October 29, 2006, 09:45:00 PM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on October 29, 2006, 07:40:56 PM
Aren't you banned yet you farging tool?
Are you talking about banning one of only 3 or 4 members of this board who has any sort of realistic perspective on this team? Just rename the site and be done with it. www.extremeeagles.com.
Methinks she was talking about GeorgeBushFan.
Oops. Never mind. Carry on.
EXTREME EAGLES!!
dont forget the mcdougle pick too...and the fact that they traded up to get him
they are weak as hell and the way the eagles try to spin it is to have a rotation of two sets of guys to come in...in other words depth...except its not depth when all the guys cant play
the offensive line isn't what it was spoken to be either. they are soft serve
bloom & gocong will be back next year...so things will be different.
the offensive line isn't what it was spoken to be either. they are soft serve
ive had no problem with the o-line this year...in fact they have played quite well imo...be nice tho if the coach would let them run block every once in a while
watching some of the game over this morning tho i will say that john henderson was murdering the interior of the line....including andrews
Quote from: SunMo on October 30, 2006, 09:16:13 AM
the offensive line isn't what it was spoken to be either. they are soft serve
That's what you get when you have them backpedaling 40-50 times a game.
If they were allowed to use all that girth and get physical with a d-line and power run block more than twice a game, I think you'd see better results.
yeah, i agree with that...it's probably unfair to blame them more than the playcalling
Here's my problem. I can't even come up with a position that this team NEEDS improvement at that they are likely to draft. I guess I can see them taking a DE in the first but other than that what would position would they take? WR? No. RB? No. LB? In the first? Very unlikely. Safety? No.
So I guess this team is taking either another offensive lineman or a DE in the first round. How exciting.
Head coach?
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 30, 2006, 09:26:13 AM
the offensive line isn't what it was spoken to be either. they are soft serve
ive had no problem with the o-line this year...in fact they have played quite well imo...be nice tho if the coach would let them run block every once in a while
With a fullback. The one thing that drives me nuts, more than all the ineptness, is seeing Buck in singleback and knowing he's going to pick up two yards, then seeing passes on the next three plays.
Quote from: General_Failure on October 30, 2006, 12:22:28 PM
With a fullback. The one thing that drives me nuts, more than all the ineptness, is seeing Buck in singleback and knowing he's going to pick up two yards
At times, that can be a breath of fresh air.
With a fullback. The one thing that drives me nuts, more than all the ineptness, is seeing Buck in singleback and knowing he's going to pick up two yards, then seeing passes on the next three plays.
amen
i know im a broken record but i wanna see donovan in a simplified offense with a fb hb legit #1 wr and a running game...i mean would it be the worst thing in the world to try him in that kind of offense...maybe the defense doesnt get trampled as much if they get to rest more than three plays at a time...some linebackers that can tackle wouldnt hurt either...dhani is a disgrace and mccoy who had been playing way over his head so far this year got exposed big time yesterday
get Brian Leonard?
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He'd be a perfect fit for this offense.
Quote from: rjs246 on October 30, 2006, 10:05:03 AM
Here's my problem. I can't even come up with a position that this team NEEDS improvement at that they are likely to draft. I guess I can see them taking a DE in the first but other than that what would position would they take? WR? No. RB? No. LB? In the first? Very unlikely. Safety? No.
So I guess this team is taking either another offensive lineman or a DE in the first round. How exciting.
That is why they need to spend money in free agency for once. To be honest I don't want to draft a LB in the first round. I want a savvy veteran who can come in and make an impact. Like Briggs. If I had to draft a position, it would be RB.
I've been pimping Leonard since last season. Plus it would be funny to watch IGY's head explode when the team drafted a white running back.
I want a run game in the draft
Quote from: PhillyandBCEagles on October 30, 2006, 12:51:45 AM
Greg Olsen if he declares
Yeah, we need another TE to drop passes. He has more inconsistent hands than L.J.
I think this team needs a
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we need this guy!
(http://uhathletics.hawaii.edu/media/Images/Gallery/fb_peters_leonard_05.jpg)
Leonard Peters
Safety
Hawaii
6-1 200
Reggie Bush called him the toughest sob he faced all last year. Sends the crowd into a frenzy with his hits.
We already have a guy like that: Mike Lewis. He hits hard. He just can't cover anyone.
Mike never sent anyone into a frenzy.
Quote from: General_Failure on October 31, 2006, 03:41:13 AM
Mike never sent anyone into a frenzy.
He's sent Eagles fans into a murderous frenzy several times this season.
It's not his fault they were blind to his inability prior to this season.
Yeah, a SS that doesn't get smoked on a head bob would probably be close to the top of the list right now.
how bout the gawd cipher divine
if they scored cj it would rank up there for me with the flyers getting terry carkner and the sixers getting allen iverson
lets get this train rollin....hoo hoo...ALL ABOARD!
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The Eagles cant get Calvin Johnson unless they lose their next 8 games and somehow managed to break a rule in weeks 1-8 which forfeits all their wins.
well they easily could lose out
but even if they didnt...are you not allowed to trade up in the first round anymore
Calvin Johnson. :drool
But oh yeah... the Eagles don't like WR's who can consistently catch the ball.
you GOTTA believe!
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 03, 2006, 04:57:22 PM
but even if they didnt...are you not allowed to trade up in the first round anymore
Nope.
He ain't no lineman, why would they trade up?
The good thing is that they have so many young OL/DL there isn't really anywhere for a 1st rounder to go...
They could draft a DE in the 1st....but everything else is pretty much locked up.
I;d love Calvin Johnson but no shot in hell.
Can we draft a running back in the first please?
Adrian Peterson would be nice.
They'd have to trade up. Can you see Andy trading up to get a RB? Yeah, me either.
DE, you say? Book it.
Quote from: Don Ho on October 31, 2006, 01:44:17 AM
we need this guy!
(http://uhathletics.hawaii.edu/media/Images/Gallery/fb_peters_leonard_05.jpg)
Leonard Peters
Safety
Hawaii
6-1 200
Reggie Bush called him the toughest sob he faced all last year. Sends the crowd into a frenzy with his hits.
Go Rainbows.
Quote from: mpmcgraw on November 03, 2006, 09:31:24 PM
Can we draft a running back in the first please?
Adrian Peterson would be nice.
Yes, let's get as many undersized injury-prone backs in "the mix" as possible. Genius.
im figuring the eagles have two wins in them the rest of the year which puts them at 7-9....oddly enough there wasnt a single 7-9 team in the entire league last year but had there been it would have gotten you the 15th pick
Draft Michael Bush and Luke Getsy.
The draft position this year should be pretty interesting, considering a large chunk of all NFL teams are hovering around the 4-6, 5-5, and 6-4 mark.
There is a lot of parity in the league this year. 18 out of the 32 NFL teams are between 4-6 and 6-4.
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 21, 2006, 08:27:56 AM
im figuring the eagles have two wins in them the rest of the year which puts them at 7-9
You're optimistic as hell. With Garcia in there along with the 1. stupidity and 2. lack of heart/discipline this team plays with... I can see
maybe Washington. Anything else, they're going to have to pull something out of their asses.
2007 Draft Order After Week 11
01 = Lions
02 = Cardinals
03 = Raiders
04 = Texans
05 = taterskins
06 = Browns
07 = Buccaneers
08 = Titans
09 = Vikings
10 = Rams
11 = Packers
12 = Dolphins
13 = Steelers
14 = Bills
15 = Falcons
16 = Jets
17 = 49ers
18 = EAGLES
19 = Bengals
20 = Chiefs
21 = Cowboys*
22 = Patriots (from SEA)*
23 = Panthers
24 = Saints
25 = Jaguars
26 = Giants
27 = Patriots
28 = Broncos
29 = Chargers*
30 = Ravens*
31 = Bears
32 = Colts
* = coin flip
** = If the taterskins miss the playoffs, they will not swap picks with the Broncos.
I'd rather know that I am a fan of a mediocre team with a great Defense again (Buddy Ryan). Rather Than Wonder if the Defense will show up and have such high expectations for an Offense. A great big hellacious Full Back! That's what Dallas and New York got to try and beat the Eagles.
Then we need Linebackers, so that these young Dline guys can learn the trade. Right now while they are learning...they got no back-up. The linebackers we have now are running right into the same blockers they are. We need a Seth Joyner type or two! Whatever happened to the 2ndary? 2-3 years agg they were all ProBowlers. Now they have completely fallen of. Considine has been the one and only bright spot, playing hard every game and making open field tackles.
Andre Waters
"He scared everybody -- receivers, running backs, quarterbacks. He was a tough guy. He believed in the theory of reduction: If you keep hitting people, they don't want to get up."
I'd rather know that I am a fan of a mediocre team with a Great Defense again (Buddy Ryan). Then Wonder if the Defense will show up and have such high expectations for an Offense.
Quote from: BigEd76 on November 21, 2006, 11:50:29 PM
2007 Draft Order After Week 11
18 = EAGLES
Wonderful. What'll be 2 years of getting our asses handed to us and we still won't land a top 10 pick.
We can't even be zesty right.
The scarier thing is at 5-5, we're the 7th team in the NFC. Right now our record is better 9 other teams in the NFC.
Luckily for us, Jeff Garcia won't make it to 8 wins, and 7 is a far stretch. AJ might be able to get us 8 wins...but that's assuming Reid runs the ball. Hah. I think with us on the decline and other teams on the rise like Miami, KC, Pittsburg...we'll end up picking around the 13th slot.
This is the thing that I am slowly coming to realize... the draft won't even matter this year so I literally have NOTHING to look forward to. We already know what Andy Reid is going to do. We know it without a shadow of a doubt.
- He's going to 'build from the inside out' with 'high character' players who will 'come in and compete'.
- He will not put a high priority on WR, RB or LB in spite of that fact that these are glaring needs (assuming, as I do, that Stallworth will not resign).
- He will not put a high priority on run-stopping defensive linemen because they wouldn't get any reps in practice against the Eagles' offense.
- He won't put a high priority on offensive skill players who can block because he doesn't believe in TEs or FBs who can actually run-block. Who needs them when you never run?
He'll draft DEs and OLs early. Maybe a QB and RB in the middle rounds. Maybe a LB or two to go with the OL 'project' players late. We'll have a team full of Scott Youngs once again and once again this team will not win a Superbowl.
farging wonderful.
Quote from: rjs246 on November 22, 2006, 12:23:55 AM
This is the thing that I am slowly coming to realize... the draft won't even matter this year so I literally have NOTHING to look forward to. We already know what Andy Reid is going to do. We know it without a shadow of a doubt.
- He's going to 'build from the inside out' with 'high character' players who will 'come in and compete'.
- He will not put a high priority on WR, RB or LB in spite of that fact that these are glaring needs (assuming, as I do, that Stallworth will not resign).
- He will not put a high priority on run-stopping defensive linemen because they wouldn't get any reps in practice against the Eagles' offense.
- He won't put a high priority on offensive skill players who can block because he doesn't believe in TEs or FBs who can actually run-block. Who needs them when you never run?
He'll draft DEs and OLs early. Maybe a QB and RB in the middle rounds. Maybe a LB or two to go with the OL 'project' players late. We'll have a team full of Scott Youngs once again and once again this team will not win a Superbowl.
farging wonderful.
Tapeh has been servicable as a blocker this year....but Reid seems to love not using a lead blocker on his running plays. Blah.
Drafting a DE early isn't a bad idea this year, considering Kearse may be gone, Howard is getting old, and Cole/J. Thomas have shown they need help and need to be rotated more to be more effective. Then again, Cole just needs someone else to eat the double teams he's been seeing since Kearse went down.
I think they'll draft DE/LB/QB first three rounds. Throw WR in there in the 2nd or 3rd if Stallworth doesn't resign.
The draft class at LB this year, if I'm not mistaken, is a little bit deeper then usual. I can always hope we land a pick high enough to get the whitey LB from PSU....but I don't follow college football that much, so for all I know he could have the makings to be another PSU bust.
You're optimistic as hell. With Garcia in there along with the 1. stupidity and 2. lack of heart/discipline this team plays with... I can see maybe Washington. Anything else, they're going to have to pull something out of their asses.
im figuring taterskins as a possibility and then a late season garbage win in a game that doesnt matter for either team...atlanta?...even dallas are possibilities under that scenario
Howard is getting old
this made me laugh and cry at the same time....so why did they sign an old guy to a monster deal
The draft class at LB this year, if I'm not mistaken, is a little bit deeper then usual. I can always hope we land a pick high enough to get the whitey LB from PSU....but I don't follow college football that much, so for all I know he could have the makings to be another PSU bust.
yeah thats exactly what they need another awful white linebacker...poz would go perfect along side that scab mccoy
IGY if you ever even watched a PSU game, you would not think that Poz is going to be a bust. He had another outstanding season this year and that was coming off a pretty significant knee injury. That being said if Reid is still in charge (which he will be) they would not draft a WLB that early in the draft.
My only real hope is that they lose out and have a shot at landing Calvin Johnson, though he could be the top pick in this years draft.
its possible that he could be a solid middle linebacker but thats it and the eagles need beasts at the outside spots which poz cannot play in the nfl...the last thing they need is some solid guy with a 'high motor' mucking it up in the middle fo the field with offensive guards
poz is slow, slow, slow, like IGY said, he has a chance to play middle
but we all know that they won't sign a high impact OLB, no matter what guys like Shawn Merriman or Bart Scott show they can do for a defense
You can draft all the stud LBs you want. If you don't have a good, big DT (or two) in there, your LBs will always be hosed. The current batch of convertible DEs just isn't right.
if the defense is still run by jim johnson next year...it wont make a god damned difference.
Quote from: Wingspan on November 22, 2006, 09:48:14 AM
if the defense is still run by jim johnson next year...it wont make a god damned difference.
i was thinking abou this the other day. i still think it's more personnel than scheme. however, i remember that you think JJ picks every one of his players, so your opinion of that would stay the same I suppose
i wouldnt be against replacing jj...but know this....its 100% the players as the problem with the defense...as opposed to the offense whose problems are 90% reid
i don't why we're talking linebacks next year....
there is no doubt that they are going to try and pass off Gocong, Trotter (maybe Gaither) and McCoy as their starting linebackers. and we'll be talking about this same problems next year.
Quote from: SunMo on November 22, 2006, 09:56:49 AM
Quote from: Wingspan on November 22, 2006, 09:48:14 AM
if the defense is still run by jim johnson next year...it wont make a god damned difference.
i was thinking abou this the other day. i still think it's more personnel than scheme. however, i remember that you think JJ picks every one of his players, so your opinion of that would stay the same I suppose
i don't think it. i know it. it's been said in the media almost every training camp, right after his normal fluffer peice on which 5th or 6th round draft pick is having a great camp.
it goes hand in hand, the personnel is in place because of the scheme. while johnson does sign anyone, or draft anyone, he's virutually a defensive head coach in that reid goes to him about who to keep and who to play.
actually gargano who is buddies with heckert says that johnson has very little input on players...and absolutely no input on draft picks
its pretty obvious that reid has the final and by far the biggest say on PP....the team is built the same all the way thru whether it be offense defense or special teams
solid lunch pail character guys who hustle and play the game right but arent necesarily great players
dhani mccoy and patterson on defense
reno and short on special teams
baskett lewis young herremans jackson on offense
these are just some of the examples
there is no doubt that they are going to try and pass off Gocong, Trotter (maybe Gaither) and McCoy as their starting linebackers
i swear to god if this happens...i....i will.....ill....i swear to god i will do...
absolutely nothing
i didnt think i could hate reid more than i do but if that happens it will be taken to new heights
GOCONG!!!
GOCONG!
stop
I'm excited for Bloom. :-[
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 22, 2006, 10:25:40 AM
GOCONG!
stop
come on IGY, GOCONG is the new secret weapon. :deion
ha...do you know how bad we would make fun of the Skins if they took a DE from 1-AA and tried to make him an OLB?
do you know how bad we would make fun of the Skins if they took an asian DE from 1-AA
Most of the mock draft sites haven't updated in a while, but as of mid/late October most of them had the Eagles taking a CB. One of the recent ones (Draft King, 11/14) has them taking Samardzija, which would make igy very happy.
is he the WR or the safety?
White WR from Notre Dame that pitches for the Cubs
One of the recent ones (Draft King, 11/14) has them taking Samardzija, which would make igy very happy.
for the record i have no problem with white wr's....tho just as i did last year with stovall i think samardzija is a bum who is a product of weiss' system
ah, so white guys on offense = OK but white guys on defense = very bad. :)
so white guys on offense = OK but white guys on defense = very bad
thats a fair assement....im IN
but mostly white guys at OLB = blow your brains out
Name me a first round prospect that plays on either line and has two first names. I'll bet you Bunkley's life that he's an Eagle next season.
while we were stuffing our faces today we got to talking at the table and discussed how many great player acquisitions have the eagles made in the last four years...whether it be by draft or free agency
we pretty much came up with two:
TO
and possibly andrews
theres gotta more tho no?
two players in four years?
Kearse when healthy, Howard when he's got Kearse. Everyone loved having Trotter back, even though he sucks. Stallworth would be, if he could play more than ten games. Everywhere else they were supposed to have the players they needed already.
So, other than Andrews, nobody has been worth mentioning in the long-term. If there were, the team wouldn't suck as hard right now. At least I've got my black Andrews jersey. :yay
you can say howard could be if this or that....you can say that about anyone
but what players have they gotten who played actually performed for them at a high level
someone like howard or kearse can but they havent...in other words this points to their player evaluation as opposed to whether they are trying to get big time players in here
so it really is TO and andrews....and im not even sure if andrews is there yet
so one and a half players in four years
add in horrible coaching and jesus no wonder they suck
I'm not counting TO, since he didn't play a full season.
Quote from: SunMo on November 22, 2006, 09:00:57 AM
poz is slow, slow, slow, like IGY said, he has a chance to play middle
but we all know that they won't sign a high impact OLB, no matter what guys like Shawn Merriman or Bart Scott show they can do for a defense
This year he has not been nearly as fast as he was when he first got up there, but he is definately not a slow LB. I can't see him being a MLB in the NFL he is too small for that, unless of course he bulks up. Anyhow it really doesn't matter because Reid isn't going anywhere and there is no way they draft a LB in the first.
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 23, 2006, 06:39:29 PM
while we were stuffing our faces today we got to talking at the table and discussed how many great player acquisitions have the eagles made in the last four years...whether it be by draft or free agency
we pretty much came up with two:
TO
and possibly andrews
theres gotta more tho no?
two players in four years?
Trent Cole? But I guess he's got more to prove before being called "great".
I think Kearse HAS played a high level, as evidenced by the inflated stats of whoever's been playing opposite of him the last two years. I know you don't like to include factors like that when they go against your point IGY, but the fact is that Kearse, whether he was getting the numbers or not, was making life a lot easier on Trent Cole and Darren Howard by eating those double teams last year (for Trent Cole) and this year (for both). Now Howard and especially Cole are getting extra blockers. Tenn. even started chipping Juqua Thomas with the RB last week. You know you've got blockers to spare when you send an extra guy Juqua Thomas's way. With Kearse in the line-up, all that changes.
kearse has been a disappointment...he was starting to shed that label this year before he got hurt...but theres no way you can say he played great at any time before this season...in no way am i saying he has been a bad player but he hasnt been a great signing and certainly hasnt been the impact player everyone thought they were getting...part of that goes on jj who for the first two years used him incorrectly far to often putting him in that stupid joker role when he should be coming off the edge at all times as he did this year
anyway im not trying to get into a specific argument over kearse...the point here is that since the lito sheldon draft the player personel dept has been pretty pathetic
Considering the kind of money he's been paid, Kearse has been a colossal disappointment.
They've all bee colossal disappointments. Everyone out there is making a ton of money, and far too few of them are playing at any level near "good."
I can't argue with that, GF.
The team should be all Reno, all the time. :paranoid
a loss at Indy only moves them up to #15...
might as well win then
Quote from: BigEd76 on November 26, 2006, 08:46:46 PM
a loss at Indy only moves them up to #15...
Yay, #15!!! :yay
so, let's say the worst (best) happens and they go 5-11. approximately where would that leave them?
What coaches are available in this draft?
last year 5-11 got you the 7-8 picks
sweet, can't wait to draft another guard
whats scary is that other than andrews all the OL and DL theyve drafted cant really play
so do you start over now and draft more lineman to replace the ones you already drafted
2007 Draft Order After Week 12, before GB/SEA
01 = Cardinals
02 = Lions
03 = Raiders
04 = Texans
05 = Browns
06 = Buccaneers
07 = taterskins
08 = Steelers
09 = Titans
10 = Packers
11 = Falcons
12 = Rams
13 = Vikings
14 = 49ers
15 = EAGLES
16 = Dolphins
17 = Bills
18 = Jets
19 = Jaguars
20 = Bengals
21 = Panthers
22 = Giants
23 = Patriots (from SEA)
24 = Cowboys
25 = Saints
26 = Chiefs
27 = Broncos
28 = Patriots
29 = Ravens
30 = Chargers
31 = Bears
32 = Colts
* = coin flip
** = If the taterskins miss the playoffs, they will not swap picks with the Broncos.
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 26, 2006, 11:22:46 PM
whats scary is that other than andrews all the OL and DL theyve drafted cant really play
so do you start over now and draft more lineman to replace the ones you already drafted
i don't know if i'd say that for the oline, but if you looked at this team, not knowing their drafting history of the past 2 years, you'd probably rate DT as a top priority. then, someone would tell you that they've taken a DT in the 1st round the past two years, and you'd piss yourself laughing.
Quote from: SunMo on November 26, 2006, 11:27:04 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 26, 2006, 11:22:46 PM
whats scary is that other than andrews all the OL and DL theyve drafted cant really play
so do you start over now and draft more lineman to replace the ones you already drafted
i don't know if i'd say that for the oline, but if you looked at this team, not knowing their drafting history of the past 2 years, you'd probably rate DT as a top priority. then, someone would tell you that they've taken a DT in the 1st round the past two years, and you'd piss yourself laughing.
farg. That is the farging truth right there.
The first 4 rounds of the draft should be devoted to defense, unless a good young QB to groom drops into the 3rd or 4th.
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 26, 2006, 11:22:46 PM
whats scary is that other than andrews all the OL and DL theyve drafted cant really play
P
so do you start over now and draft more lineman to replace the ones you already drafted
It is a little early to pass judgement on Justice and Jean-Giles. You also forgot about Cole. Patterson is a solid #2 DT but he is not a number 1 that is for sure.
It is a little early to pass judgement on Justice and Jean-Giles.
jean gillies cant even dress
patterson is a complete and total non factor...he doesnt make any plays
cole i forgot about that was a good pick
justice looked brutal in training camp but yes its early to judge him...however im still going to because of the front offices history
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 26, 2006, 11:36:12 PM
It is a little early to pass judgement on Justice and Jean-Giles.
jean gillies cant even dress
patterson is a complete and total non factor...he doesnt make any plays
cole i forgot about that was a good pick
justice looked brutal in training camp but yes its early to judge him...however im still going to because of the front offices history
MJG can't dress because there isn't a need to dress him. Justice was playing LT for the first time + being a rook so he gets time.
The OL is fine. Its the shtein ass defense thats a problem.
I can't imagine why anyone is even thinking about the offensive line right now. Talk about the least of this team's problems...
Maybe the Eagles will get very very lucky and land Calvin Johnson. :drool
I agree with you about Patterson being a non-factor, though I think he could be a very good player if he had a beast next to him like Bunkley was supposed to be.
Quote from: Hoe Cakes on November 26, 2006, 11:40:26 PM
Maybe the Eagles will get very very lucky and land Calvin Johnson. :drool
they really don't need any immediate help on offense, except another runningback. if they had a coach who knew how to run a balanced offense, this offense would be very good with Donovan.
they need defense, defense, defense, defense, and defense.
bunkley is strong but not big...hes basically patterson with muscles
they need a huge tackle
Johnson is too good to pass up but I agree. If Michael Bush delcares they need to take him.
Well, they could have traded up for Ngata...
I still think they need to draft a Strong Linebacker who can make open field tackles. Sure they can go back and continue to draft more and more DTs, but I think that with time, maybe the ones we have drafted will pan-out. Bunkley is still a rookie remember, and he has barely gotten any snaps latley, and Patterson is doing an OK job and he is still only 2 years in the league. Im just saying it's a little early to be considering them a bust at this point of their careers.(not that anyone actually said it though)
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 26, 2006, 11:42:21 PM
bunkley is strong but not big...hes basically patterson with muscles
they need a huge tackle
This is what I have been saying for five straight years. It will never happen. They even had a fat ass on the roster in the form of Keyonta Marshall who, by all accounts, practiced well and stuffed the run as well or better than any DT on the team. He rotted out on the practice squad for years and was never given a chance to play. These coaches need to be shot.
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 26, 2006, 11:42:21 PM
bunkley is strong but not big...hes basically patterson with muscles
they need a huge tackle
My Dad and I have discussed this for the last five years. But as long as AR and JJ are here I it won't happen they like having undersized guys there.
exactly, JJ and AR like the "undersized and fast" defensive guys. exactly the same philosophy as Dungy. and Dungy's had the best offense in the league the past 3 years and what has that got him? nothing. so, let's follow my logic: if the team with the best offense can't win anything and it's because their defense is holding them back, and you have the same defensive personnel philosophy as them, why would you expect to win anything when you don't even have the best offense in the league?
FYI, here's the defensive guys that have appeared in the 10-20 range of various mocks:
Alan Branch (Michigan DT)
Quinn Pitcock (Ohio State DT)
Paul Posluszny (Penn State LB)
Buster Davis (Florida State LB)
Patrick Willis (Mississippi LB)
LaMarr Woodley (Michigan DE/LB)
LaRon Landry (LSU S)
Brandon Meriweather (Miami S)
Aaron Rouse (Virginia Tech S)
Michael Griffin (Texas S)
Leon Hall (Michigan CB)
Marcus McCauley (Fresno State CB)
Daymeion Hughes (California CB)
Quentin Moses (Georgia DE)
Woodley is a flat out beast. I would take him here in a friggin heartbeat.
The last thing we need though is to draft our entire group of saviors and have them be MIA during the season. We need to spend some $$ on free agent LBs for once. If not then expect much of the same in 2008. Lets see if Lurie and Banner will open their wallets.
Quote from: SunMo on November 26, 2006, 11:27:04 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 26, 2006, 11:22:46 PM
whats scary is that other than andrews all the OL and DL theyve drafted cant really play
so do you start over now and draft more lineman to replace the ones you already drafted
i don't know if i'd say that for the oline, but if you looked at this team, not knowing their drafting history of the past 2 years, you'd probably rate DT as a top priority. then, someone would tell you that they've taken a DT in the 1st round the past two years, and you'd piss yourself laughing.
Y'know... all year I've been watching Alan Branch dominate at DT at Michigan and thinking how great it'd be to have him in an Eagles uni, but then I realize that the Eagles have spent their last 2 1st rounders on a DT and it's still one of the biggest weaknesses on the team... I figure, why waste the guy's career by drafting him and putting him on this D-line?
Quote from: rjs246 on November 26, 2006, 11:39:20 PM
I can't imagine why anyone is even thinking about the offensive line right now. Talk about the least of this team's problems...
Have you paid any attention to this team in the last 8 years? Checked out the draft history, maybe?
Quote from: General_Failure on November 27, 2006, 03:43:24 AM
Quote from: rjs246 on November 26, 2006, 11:39:20 PM
I can't imagine why anyone is even thinking about the offensive line right now. Talk about the least of this team's problems...
Have you paid any attention to this team in the last 8 years? Checked out the draft history, maybe?
I think he means the people of this MB. I'm sure he knows Andy Reid and Co. are 50/50 on what thier 1st round draft strategy will be....50% chance of taking an OL, 50% chance of taking a DL. Woo. farging. Hoo. :'(
The people here know what's coming up. Everyone's fooling themselves about the team in one area or another, but for the most part we're conditioned to expect the lineman in the first round.
Quote from: BigEd76 on November 27, 2006, 12:25:40 AM
FYI, here's the defensive guys that have appeared in the 10-20 range of various mocks:
Alan Branch (Michigan DT)
Quinn Pitcock (Ohio State DT)
Paul Posluszny (Penn State LB)
Buster Davis (Florida State LB)
Patrick Willis (Mississippi LB)
LaMarr Woodley (Michigan DE/LB)
LaRon Landry (LSU S)
Brandon Meriweather (Miami S)
Aaron Rouse (Virginia Tech S)
Michael Griffin (Texas S)
Leon Hall (Michigan CB)
Marcus McCauley (Fresno State CB)
Daymeion Hughes (California CB)
Quentin Moses (Georgia DE)
could you please sort the list by color?
thanks.
LaMarr Woodley is good.
Quote from: hunt on November 27, 2006, 09:20:45 AMcould you please sort the list by color?
thanks.
Pitcock and Poz are white, which according to igy rule #1, makes them awful in the NFL...
Urlacher had a black grandmother somewhere down his family tree. Thats why he is so good.
from Domowitch's article today:
QuoteSometimes you can see something more clearly from a distance than from up close, though. So I decided to seek an outside opinion. Called a respected AFC personnel man I've known for more than 20 years. He is well-versed on the Eagles because they are one of 12 teams he is responsible for breaking down and evaluating. He has watched hours of tape on them and seen several of their games in person.
I asked him to put himself in general manager Tom Heckert's seat and tell me what he sees - and doesn't see - when he looks at the Eagles' roster.
Some of his conclusions:
• The offense is, for the most part, fine. Re-sign Donté Stallworth. Add another No. 3-type wideout. Add another running back, preferably a bigger short-yardage/goal-line-type guy to rotate with Brian Westbrook.
Re-sign Jeff Garcia as backup insurance for Donovan McNabb in case he isn't ready to go by next September or gets hurt again. Then call it a day.
• The most pressing problem defensively isn't the front four or even the linebackers. It's the secondary. Cornerback and safety need to be high priorities in both free agency and the draft. Lito Sheppard is the only "A" cornerback they have, and his size (5-10) is a problem against the league's taller wide receivers. Sheldon Brown can't tackle and has regressed as a cover man. Free safety Brian Dawkins is on the downside of his career and has a year, maybe 2, left as a starter. Mike Lewis isn't worth re-signing and his replacement, Sean Considine, will never be anything more than a good special-teams player.
• Put Dhani Jones and Matt McCoy on the next flight out of Philadelphia. Neither can play. Chris Gocong, the Eagles' 2005 third-round pick, should be able to step in and start in Jones' strongside spot next season, assuming his neck injury isn't a recurring problem. Omar Gaither is good enough to replace McCoy on the weakside. But the Eagles need to draft an eventual replacement for middle linebacker Jeremiah Trotter. He's strictly an inside run-stopper with no more than 2 semiproductive years left. If the Eagles are planning to eventually move Gaither into Trotter's spot, then they need to bring in a weakside linebacker. Shawn Barber is perfect in the nickel role he's in. His knees wouldn't hold up to an every-down pounding.
• Eagles fans need to get off Brodrick Bunkley's case. Yes, he needed to be productive as a rookie. But that's yesterday's news. Bottom line: He's still going to be a very good player.
• The Eagles weren't idiots in giving defensive tackle Mike Patterson a contract extension so soon. Patterson is a good player who is only going to get better. He and Bunkley will give the Eagles a solid tackle tandem for years. Darwin Walker is too inconsistent. Sam Rayburn showed promise his first couple of years but hasn't done much since. One of the Eagles' free-agency priorities should be a 325-pound, sun-blocking defensive tackle to back up Patterson and Bunkley and stop the bleeding when teams start gashing them with the run.
• The Eagles will never get their money's worth from Jevon Kearse or Darren Howard. They overrated the abilities of both. The emergence of '05 fifth-round pick Trent Cole offsets that a little bit, but not enough. Once Bunkley starts making a contribution inside, that should make the ends a little more productive. They're still going to need to add another defensive end in the offseason, though, because Juqua Thomas is going to attract interest from a number of 3-4 teams that like him as a pass-rushing linebacker. Jerome McDougle needs to be on the same flight with Jones and McCoy.
The Eagles like Stallworth. A lot. They haven't attempted to re-sign him yet because they wanted to see if he could stay healthy for more than a couple of games before they throw a lot of money at him.
In the six games he's been at or close to 100 percent physically this season, he has 27 receptions and four touchdowns and is averaging 20.6 yards per catch. The problem is, the more productive he is in the remaining games, the more free-agent suitors he will have and the larger his price tag will get.
But the AFC personnel man believes re-signing him is an absolute must for the Eagles. "If Stallworth's out there, it's not a bad skill group," he said. "But they need him - or somebody like him - to push [Reggie] Brown. Because Brown is no better than a No. 2. And they need to add another [No. 3] receiver. God bless Hank Baskett. He's a nice story. But he is who he is. L.J. Smith has the ability to be in the top tier of tight ends in the league, but he has to become more consistent."
He believes it's mandatory that the Eagles bring in a bigger running back to back up Westbrook. Like Baskett, Correll Buckhalter is a nice, heartwarming story, and there's a place for him in a three-back rotation.
But the personnel man feels the Eagles need a pile-mover.
"They need another runner," he said. "They really don't have another runner besides Westbrook right now. They have a bunch of other guys back there, but none of them can play.
"I thought they were going to get T.J. Duckett this summer. That would have been a good combination. He was productive in Atlanta down near the goal line. Had 26 or something touchdowns in 3 years. I think they need that."
The scout likes the Eagles' offensive line. Thinks right guard Shawn Andrews and center Jamaal Jackson are outstanding young players. Thinks 33-year-old right tackle Jon Runyan still is playing at a very high level and has another 2 or 3 good years left. Thinks rookie second-rounder Winston Justice, who has been inactive for all 12 games, was a good pick who will make a fine left-tackle replacement for William Thomas, perhaps as soon as next year. Thinks rookie fourth-rounder Max Jean-Gilles was another good pick who probably will replace Todd Herremans at left guard next season.
"Their offensive line is going to be very good for the foreseeable future," he said. "I went back and looked at preseason tape of Justice and Gilles and both of them are going to be pretty good. Justice isn't playing because they ended up getting probably better play out of Thomas than they expected. So there's been no need to play him yet. They're getting ripped because he's a second-round pick and isn't playing. But so what? Three years from now, they'll be going, 'Hey, that was a pretty good pick.' "
Defensively, the scout has concerns about the Eagles' secondary. Big concerns.
"They've got some major issues in the secondary," he said. "That's where I think the problem is going to be in the next couple of years. Lito is a pretty good corner, but his size hurts him. Brown is a 'B' corner at best. Dawkins is definitely on the downside, and they don't have another safety. Other than Sheppard, Dawkins right now might be the best guy in their secondary. And that's not good. At this stage of his career, you want him to be the fourth best guy.
"They're going to have to draft a corner high next year. I don't think they'll be willing to spend a lot of money on one in free agency because that's one of those positions that scares you [in free agency]. You don't know what you're getting."
The scout thinks the Eagles also need to find two new safeties, one to eventually replace Dawkins and another to be their long-term strong safety. He doesn't think Sean Considine is the answer at either.
"I thought I was going to like Considine," he said. "Because he was tackling on special teams when he was just doing that.
But now that he's playing [on defense], he's getting exposed. He's just a guy."
Up front, the Eagles have drawn heavy criticism for Bunkley's failure to contribute this season and for signing Patterson, their '05 No. 1 pick, to a long-term extension.
"Patterson is as strong as [bleep]," the AFC personnel guy said. "And Bunkley's going to be fine. Rookie defensive linemen, particularly tackles, take time. People want these guys to come in here and be Warren Sapp from day one. It doesn't happen. People have to be patient with guys like that."
The scout feels the Eagles' biggest problem at the defensive-end position right now is the small contribution they're getting from Howard, who was signed as a free agent last offseason.
"They're just not getting very good play from him right now," he said. "That's the one that's hurt them a little bit up front. He's just not making a lot of plays. He always plays hard, but sometimes, you just don't know.
"I mean, Jevon isn't what they thought they were going to get when they got him, either. That's the problem with signing these free agents. I'd much rather pay my own guys, and the Eagles have done that. But if you guess wrong a couple of times - like they did with McDougle, like they did with McCoy and some of other linebackers they've drafted - then you've got to step out of the box and take a chance on free agents. And a lot of times, that's a bigger crapshoot than the draft."
Domo's stuff is always a good read. :yay
yeah hes really good...les bowen has been off the charts good this year...he is really coming into his own as a football writer...his follow up observations and stats after games are excellent
Les got rid of the "golly gee" leave it to beaver type attitude he had before and is more critical now. He's not hatin' like Eckel but he isn't as fluff as he was before.
Domowitch and Reuben Frank are the best in this area though.
That article is both reassuring and disturbing. Great read.
the sheldon brown stuff was the only thing in there that was the least bit suprising and i completely disagree with him...sheldon is a good nfl cornerback that does not need to be addressed
i also totally disagree with gocong
eveything else he said is stuff that people have known for a long time
it basically goes back to what ive always said...there isnt a semi intelligent person on this board or anywhere else for that matter than cant be as good or better in talent evaluation as any nfl scout or gm...the only difference is that they have resources we dont....ie films from all the teams the ability to go to private workouts and places like senior bowl practices ect......but when it comes to the eagles the scout in that article doesnt know anything more and probably less than we do
So IGY, you like Domos confidence in GOCONG starting next year. ha.
no i disagree with that
but its the scouts opinion not domo's
i also cant believe with a straight face a scout actually said mike patterson is "strong as bleep"
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 07, 2006, 11:01:38 AM
no i disagree with that
but its the scouts opinion not domo's
i also cant believe with a straight face a scout actually said mike patterson is "strong as bleep"
Why? Patterson probably is strong as "bleep". The problem is his position isn't weight lifting, it's judo. His position is about balance and leverage. Strength can be a great asset, but without the first two it doesn't help much.
Why? Patterson probably is strong as "bleep".
hes stronger than you or me.....but hes not strong for a nfl dt...hes all about quickness....now bunkley is strong...in fact i bet the scout was talking about bunkley when he said that and domo messed the quote up or the scout was thinking bunkley and said patterson
sheldon brown has basically played like crap all year.
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 07, 2006, 10:51:05 AM
the sheldon brown stuff was the only thing in there that was the least bit suprising and i completely disagree with him...sheldon is a good nfl cornerback that does not need to be addressed
Something has to change with the corners. It's either Tito or Sheldon.
corners are fine....if youre worried about the corners then you might as well nuke the whole team and start over...they are way down at the bottom of things to change with the eagles
pass coverage is still reliant on QB pressure, and they haven't been getting much of that lately. improve the backers and dline and the coverage will improve automatically.
Agreed. Sheldon's a good player. Like most corners, he can't survive being continually put on an island against good receivers. If they had two good safeties, it would be a non-issue.
Basically, the team needs to look strongly at the following positions in the following ways:
SS - Need a starter. Lewis and Considine are both too flawed to start in the NFL.
FS - Need an eventual replacement for the declining Dawkins. Guy can still play at an NFL level, but he's not the player he was 2+ years ago.
LB - Need a playmaker. Replacing Dhani would be nice. Backing up Jeremiah would be nice. Either way, I'm absolutely sick of the lack of playmaking in the LB corps.
DE - Again. McDougle blows hard.
DT - Like the article says, a big-bodied guy with just a little talent can go a long way towards plugging the run.
The Bunk will turn into a good player stuff in Domo's article is pretty encouraging, but I disagree with his defensive assessment. Our front 7 is where help is needed, our interior D-line is in desperate need of a guy who can collapse a pocket or at least provide a strong push, and our outside LBs are the worst in the league.
The only players on the defense that deserve a basically-unchallenged starting spot in 2007 are Lito, Dawkins, Patterson, Cole, and Trotter. And Trotter and Dawkins are declining, Patterson's unspectacular, Lito averages about 9-10 games a year, and Cole is more productive in an off-the-bench pass rushing role.
So, it's kind of silly to split hairs by saying, "No, it's the secondary!" or "No, it's the front seven!" The defense is seriously flawed across the board. That said, I have no doubt Andy will use at least two draft picks on offensive linemen.
SS, OLBs, and a run stuffing DT are probably what these D needs the most.
Draft a CB and develop him. I agree Sheldon hasn't played as well as he is capable of, but he still plays all right. He's been burned in coverage and his tackling has been pretty crappy the better half of the season -- he really needs to address that. Lito is very good, but I remember last year where everyone was calling for his head because of his performance against Dallas and his play against Terry Glenn. Lito is up and down, but hopefully he came into his own this year and will play at a consistent level that he demonstrated.
Rod Hood, I think, seriously hurt his marketability this off-season. His play has been extremely poor the past couple of weeks in missing tackles and not playing particularly well in coverage. But mostly his tackling sucks. And, yeah, he is a CB. But in this league a team's corners have to tackle. There is too much open space out there and CB's need to be able to make an open field tackle. Tackling probably seperates the good CB's from the average and poor. Anyone who is left out in 1 on 1 coverage long enough against an NFL quality WR is going to get beat. But tackling and limiting the gains and the big play is what really matters a great deal.
I don't think the DEs need to be addressed as much as a run-stuffing DT and OLBs who can make plays on the outside. When Kearse comes back the Eagles will have a rotation of Cole, Kearse, Howard, and whoever if they lose Juqua Thomas. That's a pretty good rotation. Juqua Thomas would actually be a good fit if they can keep him, but with the emergence of the 3-4 he will probably be a pretty hot commodity that some team would be willing to overpay for.
lol @ rod hood missing one tackle in the colts game and now cant tackle
lol @ an article being posted on the board and all of a sudden sheldon needs to be replaced
yous are crazy
IGY defending Sheldon puts PG in a quandry that may lead to her head exploding
I don't think Sheldon needs to be replaced... but he certainly needs better help from the safeties.
Pull that gerbil out your sphincter, IGY. You'll probably feel better.
I don't think Sheldon needs to be replaced... but he certainly needs better help from the safeties.
he needs more than safety help if you think he should be challenged for his job in camp next year
out of the 22 starters on the team...i would rank sheldon in the top five best going into camp next year....so when you start questioning people like that then you basically are questioning every single player on the team....and to me that ridiculous and just looking for things to rip
they arent that horrible
Quote from: FFatPatt on December 07, 2006, 01:17:34 PM
The only players on the defense that deserve a basically-unchallenged starting spot in 2007 are Lito, Dawkins, Patterson, Cole, and Trotter. And Trotter and Dawkins are declining, Patterson's unspectacular, Lito averages about 9-10 games a year, and Cole is more productive in an off-the-bench pass rushing role.
So, it's kind of silly to split hairs by saying, "No, it's the secondary!" or "No, it's the front seven!" The defense is seriously flawed across the board. That said, I have no doubt Andy will use at least two draft picks on offensive linemen.
Sheldon's having a bad year but he's under contract and still a decent starter, meaning 3/4 of our secondary is set, I doubt aside from maybe adding a SS and some other DBs for depth we'll see many changes.
I think he should be challenged though, for two reasons:
1. The team needs a solid nickel corner next year regardless.
2. Sheldon does need to step back up and be a little bit more reliable, which I think he can do.
sheldon grades out to a B nfl cornerback...cant ask for much more than that as your #2 corner...most teams would kill to have him in that spot
the key with the corners is keep lito healthy cause when he is hes a A- guy and you have a great cb tandem
this shouldnt even be a discussion...the corners are more than fine...fix everything in front of and around them
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 07, 2006, 01:33:37 PM
I don't think Sheldon needs to be replaced... but he certainly needs better help from the safeties.
he needs more than safety help if you think he should be challenged for his job in camp next year
out of the 22 starters on the team...i would rank sheldon in the top five best going into camp next year....so when you start questioning people like that then you basically are questioning every single player on the team....and to me that ridiculous and just looking for things to rip
they arent that horrible
Your logic is mind-boggling, IGY.
I don't think anyone suggested replacing Sheldon. How you construe someone suggesting that Sheldon needs to pick up his game as meaning that he needs to be replaced is out-right is ridiculous.
Sheldon needs to play better. Period. A lot of players on this team need to play better. Maybe people are mentioning Sheldon because people hold him in high regard and he's shown he can play better than what he is currently demonstrating.
And Rod Hood hasn't been great since returning from his injury. He's a good third corner, but he is wholly replaceable, probably through the draft. And, with the Eagles track record in drafting CBs, I'd put considerable faith in them to make a good decision in the draft regarding a CB. Lito, Sheldon and picking up Hood via undrafted rookie FA have all been good moves. Extrapolating from that, they will probably make a decent pick-up in the draft to fill the void in the secondary for a 3rd corner. But who knows, maybe they'll resign William James after this season and then conclude that they'll go into next season with Lito, Sheldon, and James. I guess we'll just wait and see.
There is something reassuring about that article, no doubt. However, it's upsetting to know that a professional thinks that two starters and a former first round pick need to be shown the door immediately. Sure we all knew that, but to have that opinion validated is upsetting.
I don't think anyone suggested replacing Sheldon. How you construe someone suggesting that Sheldon needs to pick up his game as meaning that he needs to be replaced out-right is ridiculous.
you havent read the thread it seems....ff put him on the list of players that should have his job challenged...but forget that...questioning him in anyway is so far off base its not funny...hes fine
Maybe people are mentioning Sheldon because people hold him in high regard and he's shown he can play better than what he is currently demonstrating.
people are questioning him for one reason and one reason only because an article was posted today where an unamed 'scout' said he wasnt any good...so now some people think hes not any good.....funny stuff
challenged does not equal replaced. But this discussion is going nowhere.
Quote from: Eaglez on December 07, 2006, 02:39:35 PM
challenged does not equal replaced.
That's what I'm trying to say.
Shouldn't every starter be challenged?[/capt.obvious]
bottom line...on a defense as bad as this one... picking apart one of the top 5 players is a retarded thing to do.
List your top 5 defensive players on the team in terms of value to the team in 2007.
(Mine: Brian Dawkins, Lito Sheppard, Trent Cole, Jeremiah Trotter, Jevon Kearse)
List your top 5 defensive players on the team in terms of value to the team long-term.
(Mine: Lito Sheppard, Mike Patterson, Sheldon Brown, Trent Cole, Brodrick Bunkley?)
List the top 5 defensive players that least need to be challenged for 2007 specifically, because their performance and progress is basically as-expected and there is no need to "light a fire under their asses":
(Mine: Lito Sheppard, Mike Patterson, Jeremiah Trotter, Brian Dawkins, Trent Cole - the list I mentioned earlier)
I'm sure that clears it up perfectly.
Shouldn't every starter be challenged
in theory sure....in reality when you have 22 starters its not possible for that to be the case...its hard enough to have quality depth at more than a couple positions and you want every position on the field challenged for?...in fact its the opposite of what you say...if that happened it would mean you have the worst team in the history of sports...you want as few positions as possible being challenged for...
every team no matter how bad has X amount of starters that are good nfl players and you dont even think of replacing...sheldon right now is one of those kinds of players
List your top 5 defensive players on the team in terms of value to the team in 2007.
i have no idea what you mean by value but the five BEST players going into next year are
1. lito
2. sheldon
3. dawk
4. howard
5. patterson
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 07, 2006, 02:59:21 PM
4. howard
5. patterson
I am extremely surprised that you would put those two ahead of "killa Cole".
I'm not saying it's not a valid opinion, but it's a surprise coming from Cole's biggest fan.
well truth be told i think cole is a better player than patterson but patterson is all they have at DT and thus more important...so i kind of cheated on that one
Sheldon the corner has been adequate this season.
Sheldon the tackler, however, has been a piece of donkey shtein.
Quote from: MadMarchHare on December 07, 2006, 03:18:51 PM
Sheldon the corner has been adequate this season.
Sheldon the tackler, however, has been a piece of donkey shtein.
Very well put.
I'm with IGY on this one fellas.
Sheldon has had his issues this year... especially with his tackling. But Sheldon is easily a good enough player that he gets a chance to correct them before you think about replacing or "challenging" him. When he and Lito are on their games... they're an excellent tandem and nowhere near a weakness on this defense.
Agreed.
Nothing needs to change at the CB position except which rookie they bring in to be the 5th CB next year (assuming they sign James again and they really love him)
Sheppard
Brown
James
Hanson
rookie
Sheldon's tackling has been poor. So has Rod Hood's. He has missed just more than one tackle, IGY. It started in the Indy game so I wonder if he mailed it in as far as giving his body up for the season.
This pretty much has to address every position on defense imo. They need a fat run stuffer in there, I just don't think with the current regime we will every see that in there. They also need a stud DE. At least two more LBs. They will need a nickel back once Hood leaves. The safety position is pretty much self explanatory.
William James aka the cheap route. :yay
Not really. He's a good player and has size. Put him outside in nickle and slide Sheldon to the inside guy (what they do now with Hood) and thats good.
Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't he a FA as well? I would think that he will draw some interest.
Yeah, he is. The Eagles only signed him for this year. I'm assuming they brought him in with the idea of signing him long term, so I'll sure they'll offer him some sort of deal probably during the FA period. Whether you like it or not is a whole seperate issue.
I don't think Will James played last week. I just looked at the injury report and he's listed as probable.
It will be interesting to see how many snaps he gets this week, and whether Rod Hood will play at all; Hood is listed with a hamstring injury and is Questionable. Hmm...
Paul Domowitch | Report: Birds' extra cap space in declineby Paul Domowitch
IF YOU'RE HOPING the Eagles are going to go on a wild spending spree when the 2007 free-agency signing period commences in March, you're probably going to be very disappointed.
The Eagles have made it clear for a while now that the draft is and always will be their primary source of talent. Since Andy Reid's hiring in 1999, they've signed a few big-ticket free agents, but not many.
Even if they were inclined to change that approach next year, they're not going to have the salary-cap space to be big spenders. That's right. You heard me.
Alex Marvez, of the South Florida Sun-Sentinel, compiled a list of the projected '07 cap space for the NFL's 32 clubs. The Eagles are 25th on the list, just $12.4 million under the league's '07 cap of $109 million.
Nineteen of the league's teams will have at least $21 million in cap space. The San Francisco 49ers top the list with $42.1 million in projected space, followed by Buffalo ($39.7), Arizona ($36.7), Tennessee ($36.0) and Cleveland ($33.3).
The Cowboys are 19th on the list, with $21.5 million in projected space. The Giants are 21st with $15.7 million and the taterskins are 31st, ahead of only Pittsburgh, at $951,000. How will Dan Snyder ever get through the month of March?
Eagles president Joe Banner did not return phone messages.
That doesn't mean the Eagles won't be able to sign any free agents. You can do a lot with $12.4 million, though about $5 million of that amount will be reserved for their draft picks.
Still, they can increase that space by unloading expendable veterans. Linebacker Dhani Jones, who still has 2 years left on his deal, almost certainly won't be back. He's scheduled to make $2.35 million next year. Defensive tackle Darwin Walker, whose contract also runs through '08, will make $1.3 million next year.
And then there is left tackle William Thomas. The 32-year-old Thomas, whose deal also expires after '08, is scheduled to earn $4.55 million next year. He's having a surprisingly good season. But the Eagles are hoping rookie Winston Justice will be ready to step in and start next year.
I hope that Jones and Walker are gone that alone would make for a strong offseason. As far as James goes, I have no problem with him being a 3rd corner, the only thing I am saying is that he will draw interest. He is a guy that has always been talented, he could just never stay healthy.
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 08, 2006, 07:50:10 AM
Alex Marvez, of the South Florida Sun-Sentinel, compiled a list of the projected '07 cap space for the NFL's 32 clubs. The Eagles are 25th on the list, just $12.4 million under the league's '07 cap of $109 million.
The cap just went up to $116 million
for 2008
doesnt matter anyway...its goes up the same amount for every team
Even the best free agents are other teams' cast-offs.
I don't care about them. I want the Eagles to start drafting better players, period.
Looking at the current FA class, this is probably a good year for the Eagles to not have much space.
But the space should open up considerably. I don't think anyone expects Dhani Jones or Darwin Walker to be back if the Eagles can unload their salary for a very small cap penalty (I don't know how their bonuses look)
Thomas has played well this year, but considering they traded up to pick Winston Justice and Thomas is making 4.33 million, I wouldn't be surprised if he is let go. The Eagles are in a tough bind with Thomas; I'm assuming they thought he wasn't going to play as well as he has this year with his back and all and now he's still playing at a high level.
However, if Justice is ready come the start of next year, and there is a FA they want (preferably someone like Lance Briggs) then I think it would make sense to cut loose Thomas.
Quote from: Eaglez on December 08, 2006, 11:17:36 AM
Looking at the current FA class, this is probably a good year for the Eagles to not have much space.
But the space should open up considerably. I don't think anyone expects Dhani Jones or Darwin Walker to be back if the Eagles can unload their salary for a very small cap penalty (I don't know how their bonuses look)
Thomas has played well this year, but considering they traded up to pick Winston Justice and Thomas is making 4.33 million, I wouldn't be surprised if he is let go. The Eagles are in a tough bind with Thomas; I'm assuming they thought he wasn't going to play as well as he has this year with his back and all and now he's still playing at a high level.
However, if Justice is ready come the start of next year, and there is a FA they want (preferably someone like Lance Briggs) then I think it would make sense to cut loose Thomas.
I kinda hope they keep him. But I know that if they do, he'll end up hurting his back next year anyway.
Maybe they can package him in a deal to move up in one of the rounds next year.
the problem is you dont know if justice is ready to play next year until he actually plays....and by then its to late
maybe it's better than donovan doesn't start the season anyway. let garcia take the blindside sacks
Quote from: SunMo on December 08, 2006, 11:30:37 AM
maybe it's better than donovan doesn't start the season anyway. let garcia someone to be named at a later time take the blindside sacks
Garcia won't be here next year. Bet.
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 08, 2006, 11:29:09 AM
the problem is you dont know if justice is ready to play next year until he actually plays....and by then its to late
Fiddlesticks. I mean, look at how Matt McCoy has turned out.
yeah he will. they are already talking about re-signing him. where else would he go?
Domo just said in his chat that he thinks that the Eagles don't think Herremans has the foot speed to play tackle...interesting.
Fiddlesticks. I mean, look at how Matt McCoy has turned out.
i mean i want justice in there...i wanna see if he can play...but when youre putting a total unproven back there at a position like left tackle that doesnt exactly scream superbowl run to me...more like rebuilding mode....color me crazy but id like to see them trying to win next year instead of grooming young players like justice and gocong
Any worthy TE's coming into the draft nxt year?
Quote from: mussa on December 08, 2006, 12:11:18 PM
Any worthy TE's coming into the draft nxt year?
Why?
The Eagles should be spending every pick they have on defense. The offense for the most part (including LJ) is straight.
im not advocating replacing lj...but i believe i read an article a while ago saying that the TE FA class is excellent
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 08, 2006, 02:18:17 PM
im not advocating replacing lj...but i believe i read an article a while ago saying that the TE FA class is excellent
you read a dumb article then
Quote2007 Free Agent Tight Ends
Eric Johnson UFA, San Francisco 49ers
Kyle Brady, UFA, Jacksonville Jaguars
Daniel Graham, UFA, New England Patriots
Ben Hartsock, RFA, Indianapolis Colts
Zach Hilton, UFA, New York Jets
Reggie Kelly, UFA, Cincinnati Bengals
Jerramy Stevens, UFA, Seattle Seahawks
Boo Williams, UFA, New York Giants
the ONLY upgrade to LJ Smith on that list is eric johnson. the rest are dung.
tony gonzalez is gonna be a free agent
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 08, 2006, 02:38:16 PM
tony gonzalez is gonna be a free agent
only if he is cut. has an option this year...but nothing is in stone.
QuoteContract Details
On September 13, 2002, the Chiefs signed Gonzo to a seven-year contract worth $31.5 million. It included a $10 million signing bonus, according to the Associated Press.
i thought there was something in his contract that voided the remaining years
maybe he can void them if he desires. i really dont know. but the list as of right now isnt all that impressive for TEs
I attended the Hawaii/Oregon State game this past Saturday and Oregon St. had two awesome TE's. I just checked NFL Draft Countdown and low and behold one of them was rated as one of the top TE's:
Joe Newton 6-7 252
Guy made some great catches in traffic. Hawaii kept double teaming the guy.
TE from Arizona St. is also highly rated. ASU will be here for the Sheraton Bowl on xmas eve. Still contemplating going to that game. Last guy who was highly rated coming into the Sheraton Hawaii Bowl?????? UAB's one and only Roddy White. What a great season he's having in Atlanta :yay
Newton is slow but is great in the red zone, plus he tore his knee so he might be an eagle in the early second round. :yay
LJ is still under contract next year so I'm not going to sweat it yet. If the Eagles don't have anything done by October of 2007 then there probably is cause for concern.
LJ is up and down, but when push comes to shove I'd probably keep him around -- unless something really opens up and there is another TE option out there worth pursuing.
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 08, 2006, 02:38:16 PM
tony gonzalez is gonna be a free agent
Yeah, the Eagles are totally about going out and getting expensive players on the downside of their careers.
Quote from: Eaglez on December 08, 2006, 03:47:53 PM
LJ is still under contract next year so I'm not going to sweat it yet. If the Eagles don't have anything done by October of 2007 then there probably is cause for concern.
LJ is up and down, but when push comes to shove I'd probably keep him around -- unless something really opens up and there is another TE option out there worth pursuing.
What about for Schwabel? He' s nuttin special
Quote from: methdeez on December 08, 2006, 07:27:39 PM
Quote from: Eaglez on December 08, 2006, 03:47:53 PM
LJ is still under contract next year so I'm not going to sweat it yet. If the Eagles don't have anything done by October of 2007 then there probably is cause for concern.
LJ is up and down, but when push comes to shove I'd probably keep him around -- unless something really opens up and there is another TE option out there worth pursuing.
What about for Schwabel? He' s nuttin special
How many backup tight ends are?
Link (http://www.philly.com/mld/dailynews/sports/16192097.htm)
QuoteROUNDING UP THE NO. 1'sBy PAUL VIGNA
Maybe the Eagles' Brodrick Bunkley can't get on the field, but he's the exception rather than the rule for the crop of No. 1 picks from the 2006 draft. Here's the list and a glance at their accomplishments to date.
Player, Pos. Team G GS Bottom line
1, Mario Williams, DE Texans 12 12 A regular contributor, he has 33 tackles and 4 ½ sacks.
2, Reggie Bush, RB Saints 12 4 Just won Sunday's game, scoring four times vs. the 49ers.
3, Vince Young, QB Titans 11 9 Has thrown 10 TD passes, rushed for four more; 5-4 as a starter.
4, D'Brickashaw Ferguson, T Jets 12 12 A mainstay on the offensive line for 7-5 New York.
5, A.J. Hawk, LB Packers 12 12 Solid defender for a bad defense; 103 tackles, 3 ½ sacks.
6, Vernon Davis, TE 49ers 6 4 An injury cost him six games; has seven receptions and a TD.
7, Michael Huff, SS Raiders 12 12 Had 57 tackles, including 10 in a loss to Kansas City.
8, Donte Whitner, DB Bills 12 11 Has been starting since the second game; 73 tackles, INT.
9, Ernie Sims, LB Lions 12 12 Easily the team leader in tackles, with 101.
10, Matt Leinart, QB Cardinals 9 8 Has thrown for almost 2,000 yards, plus eight TDs.
11, Jay Cutler, QB Broncos 1 1 Threw two TD passses, two INTs in first start on Sunday night.
12, Haloti Ngata, DT Ravens 12 12 22 tackles, an INT for one of league's best defenses.
13, Kamerion Wimbley, DE Browns 12 11 42 tackles and the team leader with 7 ½ sacks.
14, Brodrick Bunkley, DE Eagles 11 0 A stranger to the field, he has seven tackles total.
15, Tye Hill, CB Rams 12 6 33 tackles, three INTs.
16, Jason Allen, DB Dolphins 12 0 Getting enough playing time to post 15 tackles, an INT.
17, Chad Greenway, LB Vikings Has been on injured reserve since mid-August.
18, Bobby Carpenter, LB Cowboys 9 0 Eight tackles in limited playing time.
19, Antonio Cromartie, DB Chargers 12 0 18 tackles, four passes defended for 10-2 San Diego.
20, Tamba Hali, DE Chiefs 12 12 With 45 tackles and five sacks, the ex-Penn Stater has found a home.
21, Laurence Maroney, RB Patriots 12 0 624 yards rushing, 18 catches, 188 yards receiving, and five touchdowns.
22, Manny Lawson, DE 49ers 12 10 43 tackles, two sacks, two fumble recoveries and INT.
23, Davin Joseph, G Buccaneers 9 8 Has been a starter since Game 5 vs. Cincinnati.
24, Johnathan Joseph, CB Bengals 12 5 36 tackles, a fumble recovery and 16 passes defended.
25, Santonio Holmes, WR Steelers 12 0 33 catches, 504 yards and a TD.
26, John McCargo, DT Bills 5 0 Was placed on injured reserve Oct. 14.
27, DeAngelo Williams, RB Panthers 9 2 Eagles saw plenty of him Monday; overall, 409 rushing yards, 200 receiving yards, two TDs.
28, Marcedes Lewis, TE Jaguars 11 2 Seven catches, 67 yards and a TD.
29, Nick Mangold, C Jets 12 12 One of two rookies starting on New York's offensive wall.
30, Joseph Addai, RB Colts 12 0 Scored four times against the Eagles; has 1,090 total yards, eight TDs.
31, Kelly Jennings, CB Seahawks 12 0 29 tackles, INT and a forced fumble in part-time role.
32, Mathias Kiwanuka, DE Giants 12 6 Injuries have opened a spot for him; 35 tackles, three sacks and two INTs.
At least Bobby Carpenter sucks too.
imagine if they could've traded back, taken Kiwanuka, not wasted money on Howard, and then they would've had another 2nd/3rd round pick to waste on somebody else who couldn't play
Quote from: SunMo on December 08, 2006, 09:08:34 PM
imagine if they could've traded back, taken Kiwanuka, not wasted money on Howard, and then they would've had another 2nd/3rd round pick to waste on somebody else who couldn't play
Laurence Maroney, please.
Quote1, Mario Williams, Does not look like "The Thing".
2, Reggie Bush, Does not look like "The Thing".
3, Vince Young, Does not look like "The Thing".
4, D'Brickashaw Ferguson, Does not look like "The Thing".
5, A.J. Hawk, Does not look like "The Thing".
6, Vernon Davis, Does not look like "The Thing".
7, Michael Huff, Does not look like "The Thing".
8, Donte Whitner, Does not look like "The Thing".
9, Ernie Sims, Does not look like "The Thing".
10, Matt Leinart, Does not look like "The Thing".
11, Jay Cutler, Does not look like "The Thing".
12, Haloti Ngata, Does not look like "The Thing".
13, Kamerion Wimbley, Does not look like "The Thing".
14, Brodrick Bunkley, DE Eagles 11 0 A stranger to the field, he has seven tackles total... BUT HE LOOKS LIKE "THE THING!!!"
15, Tye Hill, Does not look like "The Thing".
16, Jason Allen, Does not look like "The Thing".
17, Chad Greenway, Does not look like "The Thing".
18, Bobby Carpenter, Does not look like "The Thing".
19, Antonio Cromartie, Does not look like "The Thing".
20, Tamba Hali, Does not look like "The Thing".
21, Laurence Maroney, Does not look like "The Thing".
22, Manny Lawson, Does not look like "The Thing".
23, Davin Joseph, Does not look like "The Thing".
24, Johnathan Joseph, Does not look like "The Thing".
25, Santonio Holmes, Does not look like "The Thing".
26, John McCargo, Does not look like "The Thing".
27, DeAngelo Williams, Does not look like "The Thing".
28, Marcedes Lewis, Does not look like "The Thing".
29, Nick Mangold, Does not look like "The Thing".
30, Joseph Addai, Does not look like "The Thing".
31, Kelly Jennings, Does not look like "The Thing".
32, Mathias Kiwanuka, Does not look like "The Thing".
Back into the familiar 20s for the Eagles. They now have #21...