I'll understand if you guys want to drown in your tears and sorrow for the rest of the night, but whenever you feel like moving past this loss, this is the place to try to find something to feel better about yourself.
Positives:
- 13 sacks in 2 games after only 29 last season
- Stallworth another big game
- McNabb healthy and looking excellent
- LJ Smith hasn't fumbled yet, although he dropped a key pass.
- Buckhalter hasn't tore up his knee yet
- Offensive line giving McNabb excellent protection
- Linebackers playing extremely well.
- The Eagles are still tied in first place in the division with 3 or 4 easy games coming up and the Giants having 2 or 3 extremely tough games in a row. We could easily be back in first in a week or two.
- By the time we play Dallas, hopefully Lito and Hood will be back.
The loss sucks, but it can never hurt to look on the bright side of things sometimes. I understand if you still want to drown yourself in beers tonight, but sooner or later you'll move on, and it's always good to look at some things the Eagles have done right.
its not that i think the eagles are doomed or that they wont win the nfc east cause i honestly think we will win the nfc east still...its just this week is going to be killer. i live in nyc..going to work tomorrow is going to suck. trying to avoid any game coverage or highlights for a week is going to suck. basically till we play and beat san fran (hopefully) everything is going to suck.
it was my bday today and after the game i had plans to go out but i just sat at home. 6 days are going to be way too long.
There was plenty to be excited about. Right up until the 4th quarter started.
Dealing with Giants fans are the last of my worries. I can handle that no problem. The worst part for me are the injuries combined with not going to get 100% over this loss until we face the Giants again late in the season.
I'm not down on the team, I'm just pissed that they mailed it in after the 3rd quarter when there was still a full 15 minutes to play. I just saw ESPNNews and the Giants out did the Eagles in the 4th and OT: 23-0 (points), 270-45 (yards), 14-2 (first downs). That's farging pathetic anyway you slice it. They just stopped playing, completely, and there's no excusing that. It's the Titans opener all over again and since Reid obviously didn't learn from that coaching choke job there's no hope for him what so ever.
Oh yeah, the positivity is really flowing.
The only thing that kept me positive today was the fact I was camping on the North Shore of Oahu. First north shore swell of the season. 4-6 feet this morning and perfect. Luckily(well actually not so lucky)the beach house we were using as our base camp had a TV. I paddled in at halftime and my son says "Dad the Eagles are winning 17-7!" I couldn't believe it. Grab some coffee and breakfast and watch the second half. 24-7! Sweet. I was so jacked. It was so damn frustrating since we we're with a big group and every time someone walked by the TV they'd ask "What the hell?" as the Giants crept closer and closer. Thank god they all know I'm a huge birds fan and everyone went easy on me. Epic surf is the perfect therapy oh and the walk down the beach to take the kids body boarding helped as well - nuggets galore!
throw in a "positivity thread" after the Monday night game, closer to Thursday when the previous disastrous football week is over.
you see what is happening here right?
This is the worst regular season loss this side of Tommy Hutton. Don't tell me to be positive.
Quote from: Die-Hard on September 18, 2006, 08:31:04 AM
This is the worst regular season loss this side of Tommy Hutton. Don't tell me to be positive.
Hey, at least your Mets tied up the division title finally... right?
But seriously, what is there to be positive about? This is worse than the Titans game in 2002, because that was the first game of the season, on the road, against an AFC team. With the injuries piling up and the team now 0 for 1 at home and 0 for 1 in the division, what is there to be positive about? ...that they still have 14 more games to possibly lose in dramatic fashion?
Awful game.
Quote from: Magical_Retard on September 17, 2006, 11:31:51 PM
...going to work tomorrow is going to suck. trying to avoid any game coverage or highlights for a week is going to suck. basically till we play and beat san fran (hopefully) everything is going to suck.
Truth.
I work with a bunch of Gnats "fans" and by the time I got to work I already had 4 emails about the game. Its not like there was any trash talk last week either...at least I would understand that.
Quote from: reese125 on September 18, 2006, 08:05:42 AM
throw in a "positivity thread" after the Monday night game, closer to Thursday when the previous disastrous football week is over.
Exactly. There's no point in having a "let's be positive and suck each other off" thread the night OF one of the worst losses in recent memory.
farg positivity right now.
We all know why we lost the game, its plain to see. Reid called the game like a mormon pays attention to his kids. Its pretty bad when one of us could of called better plays. Unreal, the God of the run game needs to kick him in his nuts. Thats positive, thats the truth.
they need to run that semi-no huddle all the time. it gave Donovan plenty of time to scout the defense and change the play if he wanted to
Quote from: SunMo on September 18, 2006, 12:59:16 PM
they need to run that semi-no huddle all the time. it gave Donovan plenty of time to scout the defense and change the play if he wanted to
agreed. id rather have Donovan calling the plays than Reid at this point.
Andy was calling the plays, but Donovan actually had more than 3 seconds to analyze the defense.
Quote from: SunMo on September 18, 2006, 01:07:24 PM
Andy was calling the plays, but Donovan actually had more than 3 seconds to analyze the defense.
Yeah thats an understatment, he could have read war and peace in that pocket..
Just as long as he doesn't pull that bullshtein with the jumping under center ever again.
drop passes are not donovans fault, plain and simple
I'm over the loss now. I can't dwell on it any longer. It's too bad of a loss. I'm focused in on San Fran now. I only hope the team goes up there furious and sticks it the farg to them. The Niners have some targets for Alex Smith. Bryant, Davis, Johnson. I hope Hood is good to go for sunday. If not we need to get a good pass rush like we did the last 2 games.
That loss sucked. But, they were dominating when they were playing hard. Everyone let up, especially the coaches. Until they let up, they were absolutely destroying the Giants. Even letting up, if Michael Lewis can fall on a football, they still win.
Give the Giants credit, when they called off the dogs, they made plays. But if they keep playing the same game, it's a blowout.
What it really comes down to, how do they play against the Cowboys on Oct 8th. I mean, if they lose to SF or GB, they're cooked. If they destroy those pseudo-teams, as they should, then play a solid game vs the Cowboys and win, alls well.
I'm not ready to accept the season's demise yet.
Quote from: MadMarchHare on September 18, 2006, 06:40:46 PM
I'm not ready to accept the season's demise yet.
not at all.
for me, the anger and frustration comes from them giving away a division game at home when they were up by 17 points.
however, they were not outplayed, in fact they dominated the game until the 4th quarter. that is not a fluke. the 4th quarter was the fluke. the offense is dynamic again. the no huddle worked and should be used the rest of the season.
they will be fine. they are the best team in the division and top 3 in the conference.
Quote from: SunMo on September 18, 2006, 06:46:05 PM
Quote from: MadMarchHare on September 18, 2006, 06:40:46 PM
I'm not ready to accept the season's demise yet.
not at all.
for me, the anger and frustration comes from them giving away a division game at home when they were up by 17 points.
however, they were not outplayed, in fact they dominated the game until the 4th quarter. that is not a fluke. the 4th quarter was the fluke. the offense is dynamic again. the no huddle worked and should be used the rest of the season.
they will be fine. they are the best team in the division and top 3 in the conference.
Exactly. I agree.
If they play well. When they drop passes and the defense lets teams walk down the field, they're not that good.
I agree. That Bears team looks damn good though. Since our goal as Eagles fans is pretty much playoffs or bust and even Superbowl or bust for some, if we have to go into Chicago for the playoffs... whew. That is gonna be one tough game.
But that is looking WAY WAY ahead. One game at a time.
Calm down, Art.
Once again, it's too early to say this team or that team is the team to beat. Like the Falcons the Bears have feasted on bottom dwellers thus far (Lions & Packers). Let's wait until about week 5 when things start to separate before worrying about who's going to be playing where come playoff time. Every year at the start of the season it's the same thing, this team or that team is the one to beat (how're those Super Bowl bound Panthers doing?) or the new "hot" team and every year when things start to settle down and the good separate from the bad those "hot" teams tend to fall back to where they should be. The Bears should win the North because the division sucks ass and 3 of the 4 teams are crap. The Vikings aren't good.
this was just one of those really flukey games. the giants themselves lost one just a week earlier against the colts, whom they really did outplay.
it happens. don't go putting your head in the oven just yet.
Someone who advises against suicide. How refreshing.
Quote from: joel in providence on September 18, 2006, 09:40:30 PM
this was just one of those really flukey games. the giants themselves lost one just a week earlier against the colts, whom they really did outplay.
it happens. don't go putting your head in the oven just yet.
We don't want to put our heads in the oven. Andy Reid's, perhaps.
the giants themselves lost one just a week earlier against the colts, whom they really did outplay.
how dare you compare those two games....the giants have forgotten about the colts game...the eagle giant game is already in lore...i know i wont forget about it for a long long time...its certainly going to bug me for the rest of this season
Taking this a little personal, taterskins fan?
And BTW, Cole should be getting his head kicked in for that unbelievably moronic kicking penalty. Lots of sacks is nice, but that was farging brutal. Make that douche kicker have a 50 yarder, and there's a reasonable chance that he misses it. He wasn't exactly lighting it up his last two outings.
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 19, 2006, 06:31:11 AM
the giants themselves lost one just a week earlier against the colts, whom they really did outplay.
how dare you compare those two games....the giants have forgotten about the colts game...the eagle giant game is already in lore...i know i wont forget about it for a long long time...its certainly going to bug me for the rest of this season
And you know this how?
All he's saying is that they're two games in which the better team came out with the loss. They probably were better than the Colts in week 1... and we sure as hell were the better team in week 2.
Quote from: EagleFeva on September 19, 2006, 08:19:33 AM
and we sure as hell were the better team in week 2.
Not really. They outplayed us for the first half-quarter, the 4th quarter, and OT. So, no.
yeah really how are the eagles better....they eagles beat a pathetic houston team and LOST TO THE GIANTS
and whats really funny is you say how the giants are better than the colts who are a superbowl contender in a far superior conference
so the giants are better than the colts and they beat the eagles but the eagles are a better team?...better than the colts and giants??...im interested to see how this formula works where the losing team is always better
anyway my original point is the eagle had a historic loss..people are saying the worst in franchise history...the giants lost a tough game against the colts that they COULD have won...there is no comparison between the two
Quote from: joel in providence on September 18, 2006, 09:40:30 PM
this was just one of those really flukey games. the giants themselves lost one just a week earlier against the colts, whom they really did outplay.
it happens. don't go putting your head in the oven just yet.
The difference between the Giant/Colts game and the Eagles/Giants game is that the Giants didn't blow a huge lead late in the game. The Giants may have played an all around better game than the Colts but they never had a 17 point lead to show for it.
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 19, 2006, 09:08:41 AM
so the giants are better than the colts and they beat the eagles but the eagles are a better team?...better than the colts and giants??...im interested to see how this formula works where the losing team is always better
anyway my original point is the eagle had a historic loss..people are saying the worst in franchise history...the giants lost a tough game against the colts that they COULD have won...there is no comparison between the two
The losers of the Panthers/Bucs and skins/Texans games this weekend will be the best teams in the NFL, then?
:-D at this thread.
Predictable comments from each person who posted in it.
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 19, 2006, 09:08:41 AM
yeah really how are the eagles better....they eagles beat a pathetic houston team and LOST TO THE GIANTS
you watched the game, they are the better team, there really isn't a way to debate it. the Giants had a fluke of a 4th quarter and they managed to make some plays and come back and win. the Eagles are better, and it will be proved in the long run.
Anyone who thinks the Giants won for any other reason than they got a healthy dose of ridiculously good bounces and one terrible missed call (Dawkins' INT) wasn't watching the game. At one point, the total yardage was like 378 for the Eagles and 87 for the Giants. First downs were 21-7 in favor of the Eagles. One farged up fumble recovery for a TD and one stupid fumble by Westbrook changed the aspect of this game. The Manning pass was intercepted by Dawkins in OT and the replay booth missed it. Yes, the defense looked exhausted by the end of the 4th quarter and I lay that totally on Reid's idiotic playcalling (BTW, I am so sick of hearing him blame himself after games...he's been doing it for years and only once in a blue moon does he do something to FIX it, then he inevitably falls back into his same pass only offense a game or 2 later).
The Eagles were still the better team on Sunday. Regardless of outcome.
Dawkins did not have an INT. The rule is that if there is a "dual" catch, the tie goes to the offense. Shiancoe never let go of the ball, so it's a completed pass. For the same reason, Coughlin's challenge earlier in the game could have actually awarded the Eagles a touchdown.
the Eagles will finish, at least, one game better than the Giants when it's all said and done.
Quote from: SunMo on September 19, 2006, 09:53:27 AM
the Eagles will finish, at least, one game better than the Giants when it's all said and done.
You want to put $20 on that?
Quote from: FFatPatt on September 19, 2006, 09:50:34 AM
Dawkins did not have an INT. The rule is that if there is a "dual" catch, the tie goes to the offense. Shiancoe never let go of the ball, so it's a completed pass. For the same reason, Coughlin's challenge earlier in the game could have actually awarded the Eagles a touchdown.
The debate I've been seeing, is that Dawkins had both hands on the ball, while Shiancoe only had one, therefore it really wasn't a dual catch.
I refuse to watch the tape of this game to find out either. :P
My biggest quandary is figuring out where to spend your $20.
Dawkins came down with the ball in both hands, FF.
I can't even fathom how anyone can see that game as the Eagles being outplayed by the Giants. Its pretty farging funny.
the giants througoughly outplayed the eagles from the 4th quarter on.
bounces or no bounces, enough people played like shtein at the end for the eagles to lose. just like KC lied down vs the eagles last year.
they lost focus. and it was unprofessional and embarassing, this includes, but not limited to Michael Lewis, Trent Cole, Sheldon Brown on defense. and most especially, Jim Johnson.
bad playing calling or no...westbrook still fumbled. a 3rd down pass bounced off of LJ Smith's hands, another 3rd down pass bounced off of Donte Stallworth, McNabb threw it out of bounds to avoid an INT on 4th and 1.
when the game counted...they lied down and let the giants walk all over them while half the team were yucking it up on the sidelines like they just made the playoffs.
they were NOT the better team on sunday, or they would have played with focus and acted like professionals.
Quote from: Wingspan on September 19, 2006, 10:47:25 AM
they were NOT the better team on sunday, or they would have played with focus and acted like professionals.
yes, the better team wins everygame every week. indeed.
were the Giants better in the 4th quarter? yes. are they the better overall team moving forward? NO.
Quote from: SunMo on September 19, 2006, 10:54:20 AM
Quote from: Wingspan on September 19, 2006, 10:47:25 AM
they were NOT the better team on sunday, or they would have played with focus and acted like professionals.
yes, the better team wins everygame every week. indeed.
were the Giants better in the 4th quarter? yes. are they the better overall team moving forward? NO.
agreed
Quote from: PhillyGirl on September 19, 2006, 10:12:02 AM
Dawkins came down with the ball in both hands, FF.
I can't even fathom how anyone can see that game as the Eagles being outplayed by the Giants. Its pretty farging funny.
So did Shiancoe.
And it's simple, really. The Eagles absolutely dominated the middle of the game, but failed to put the game away by scoring at every viable opportunity. But the Giants completely OBLITERATED the Eagles in the 4th quarter and OT, so it's laughable to say the Eagles outplayed the Giants overall.
the giants were a better team before the game sunday and i still believe the giants are a better team even if i believe the eagles played better on sunday
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 19, 2006, 09:08:41 AM
yeah really how are the eagles better....they eagles beat a pathetic houston team and LOST TO THE GIANTS
and whats really funny is you say how the giants are better than the colts who are a superbowl contender in a far superior conference
so the giants are better than the colts and they beat the eagles but the eagles are a better team?...better than the colts and giants??...im interested to see how this formula works where the losing team is always better
anyway my original point is the eagle had a historic loss..people are saying the worst in franchise history...the giants lost a tough game against the colts that they COULD have won...there is no comparison between the two
Don't be stupid. I meant they were the better team
that game. Don't act like you don't know what I'm talking about.
McNabb - 27/45 350 yds 2TD, 0 INT
Westbrook - 125 total yds, 1TD
Stallworth/Brown - 1 TD Each
LJ - 7 catches 111 yds
Eagles defense - 8 sacks, INT to the Giants 1 sack, 0 INT
Tiki - 51 yds on 21 carries
Shockey - 2 catches 17 yds
Sounds like we were the better team that day. You look at those numbers without knowing the score and try to tell me that you would think the Eagles lost that game. Those results ALL add up to an Eagles win. The fact of the matter is that game is a blowout if the Eagles didn't farg around in the 4th quarter and there was nothing the Giants were able to do about it... terrible playcalling, not picking up forced fumbles (which DIRECTLY led to points), losing fumbles, dropped passes, stupid farging penalties, etc... all gave the Giants a shot to win the game. They simply took advantage of the opportunities... opportunites that would not have been there had the Eagles not farged around.
Quote from: FFatPatt on September 19, 2006, 08:59:15 AM
Quote from: EagleFeva on September 19, 2006, 08:19:33 AM
and we sure as hell were the better team in week 2.
Not really. They outplayed us for the first half-quarter, the 4th quarter, and OT. So, no.
If by "first half-quarter" you mean first drive, then cool... we agree. We outplayed them enough to where there was no reason we should not have won.
Quote from: EagleFeva on September 19, 2006, 10:59:37 AM
McNabb - 27/45 350 yds 2TD, 0 INT
Westbrook - 125 total yds, 1TD
Stallworth/Brown - 1 TD Each
LJ - 7 catches 111 yds
Eagles defense - 8 sacks, INT to the Giants 1 sack, 0 INT
Tiki - 51 yds on 21 carries
Shockey - 2 catches 17 yds
I can't believe the levels of homerism being displayed here. Way to leave out the Giants' good stats (like Toomer and Manning). Also, if stats were everything, Peyton Manning would have won no less than 4-5 Super Bowls by now.
Quote from: EagleFeva on September 19, 2006, 11:01:41 AM
Quote from: FFatPatt on September 19, 2006, 08:59:15 AM
Quote from: EagleFeva on September 19, 2006, 08:19:33 AM
and we sure as hell were the better team in week 2.
Not really. They outplayed us for the first half-quarter, the 4th quarter, and OT. So, no.
If by "first half-quarter" you mean first drive, then cool... we agree. We outplayed them enough to where there was no reason we should not have won.
exactly
so the giants were completely outplayed by the eagles and still won...what does that say is gonna happen when they dont play that bad again or the eagles dont play as well and the game is in ny
Quote from: SunMo on September 19, 2006, 10:54:20 AM
Quote from: Wingspan on September 19, 2006, 10:47:25 AM
they were NOT the better team on sunday, or they would have played with focus and acted like professionals.
yes, the better team wins everygame every week. indeed.
were the Giants better in the 4th quarter? yes. are they the better overall team moving forward? NO.
i wasnt alluding to that. who's the better team for the remainder of the season is something that can not be determined off of 2 weeks.
they were not the better team on sunday, and this past sunday alone. or else they would have acted and played like professionals for 60 minutes, not 40.
Quote from: Wingspan on September 19, 2006, 11:04:16 AM
they were not the better team on sunday, and this past sunday alone. or else they would have acted and played like professionals for 60 minutes, not 40.
Exactly.
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 19, 2006, 10:59:16 AM
the giants were a better team before the game sunday and i still believe the giants are a better team even if i believe the eagles played better on sunday
but what about the Giants makes you believe they are better?
QB = Eagles
RB = Giants
WR/TE = slight edge to Giants
OL = Eagles
DE = Giants
DT = Eagles
LB = Giants
DB = Eagles
ST = Eagles
i don't understand why the Giants outplaying the Eagles counts so much more than when the Eagles dominated the Giants for three full quarters. Sure, they let up, let the Giants come back, but for 3 farging quarters, the Giants were getting destroyed. I know the collapse is the last thing in your mind, thus what you remember. But think about quarters 1-3.
people know i'm not a homer, and im not being one here.
Apparently, the disconnect here is that SunMo believes the team with more talent is the "better team".
That couldn't be a bigger pile of wrongness.
Quote from: FFatPatt on September 19, 2006, 11:02:55 AM
Quote from: EagleFeva on September 19, 2006, 10:59:37 AM
McNabb - 27/45 350 yds 2TD, 0 INT
Westbrook - 125 total yds, 1TD
Stallworth/Brown - 1 TD Each
LJ - 7 catches 111 yds
Eagles defense - 8 sacks, INT to the Giants 1 sack, 0 INT
Tiki - 51 yds on 21 carries
Shockey - 2 catches 17 yds
I can't believe the levels of homerism being displayed here. Way to leave out the Giants' good stats (like Toomer and Manning). Also, if stats were everything, Peyton Manning would have won no less than 4-5 Super Bowls by now.
I'm not leaving out their stats. I pointed out the things that
the Eagles did that people all would consider important to win the game. McNabb good game, Shutting down Tiki and Shockey all that stuff which we did.
I never said stats are everything so don't put words in my mouth. I said that they all would seem to indicate that the Eagles would have won the game. Later on in the same post... I pointed out the things other than stats that contributed to the loss. You didn't quote that though.
What happend in the 4th quater and OT was The Perfect Storm that went the Giants way. As PG said , the chances of the Penalty by Cole/Dropped passes/fumbles for TD with 2 eagles missing the recovery/Westbrook fumble/not getting 1 yard on 4th and one/Eli Farveing a pass blindly in OT are a million to one again. Just take the loss as a learning experience.
Quote from: FFatPatt on September 19, 2006, 11:07:58 AM
Apparently, the disconnect here is that SunMo believes the team with more talent is the "better team".
That couldn't be a bigger pile of wrongness.
not really, i just used a poor choice of words.
the Eagles are better than the Giants, it's kind of amazing that you aren't able to see that.
Quote from: SunMo on September 19, 2006, 11:11:51 AM
the Eagles are better than the Giants, it's kind of amazing that you aren't able to see that.
I saw the Giants as a team capable of making key pass-protection adjustments to take advantage of the Eagles' depleted secondary and get back in the game, and I saw the Eagles' coaches & players completely powerless to do anything whatsoever to slow them down when it counted.
"Better" teams are able to hold big 4th quarter leads and can respond to adjustments made by the team attempting to come back. The Eagles allowed everything they had accomplished earlier in the game to be undone on the field and, more importantly, on the scoreboard. Hence, they cannot claim the title of "better team"... not even close.
i don't know any better way to explain my point of view than this:
for three quarters, the Eagles took what they wanted from the Giants, no flukey Giant plays or stupid penalties gave the Eagles what they got through 3 quarters, the Eagles physcially dominated them in every aspect of the game.
in the 4th quarter, the Eagles got stupid, and the Giants got lucky. that in combination with the fact that the Giants are close to as good as the Eagles, allowed them to come back and win. it's an awful loss. but i'm convinced from what i saw on the field on Sunday, that the Eagles are the best team in the NFC east.
i'm not being a homer. i was telling people before the game that i was worried, i thought the Giants were better, but they aren't. their secondary is garbage, their dline depth is not very good, their oline is not very good.
Quote from: FFatPatt on September 19, 2006, 11:16:07 AM
The Eagles allowed everything they had accomplished earlier in the game to be undone on the field and, more importantly, on the scoreboard.
so what, it doesn't take away from the fact that they did it.
it kinda does, actually.
dexter wynn looked pretty good on punt returns...that's a positive, right? :paranoid
the eagles were the better team for three quarters...the giants were the better team for the whole game
I know you like being stupid, Iggypants, so this is amusing. If the Giants were the better team they would have been taking advantage of the DBs the entire game, not just the first drive and picking up again after the 3rd quarter. They were shut down, confused, and starting to implode on the sidelines, and then the Eagles let them right back in.
and if the eagles were the better team they would have thrown for more than 94 yards in the second half and not got steamrolled for an entire 4th quarter and OT
in fact you could say the giants were more impressive as they did in one quarter plus OT what the eagles needed a full three quarters to do
To a team down two corners. Well done Giants! The fact is, the Giants took nearly the entire game to do what they should have been doing all along.
excuses excuses excuses...again tho whatever makes you sleep at night
if the rematch is an eagle blow out like all you think it will be then i will be the first one on here eating crow...hell if the eagles win in ny ill eat crow
Who said anything about a blowout in the rematch?
the contention by everyone here is that the eagles are really the team of the first three quarters sunday and the giants were a fluke a perfect storm everything went there way fumbles bad calls ect in the 4th quarter...
therefore the next game will be like the first three quarters of sunday...because no way could a far superior team not blow them out for a full game next time as the perfect storm will not happen for the giants again in the 4th
right?....otherwise why even bring up the first three quarters of the game sunday...unless maybe that was the eagles perfect storm and thats not going to happen again either??
The refs cheated.
If it weren't for those injuries.
Dropped passes.
Reid sucks.
Strahan gave sexual favors to the NFL.
McNabb is black, and therefor will never be a good QB.
I'm not running around saying the Eagles should have won, and I'm not even upset about the game. The Giants played well enough to win and the Eagles did not. However, the Giants are still mediocre at best.
This thread turned into the stupidest semantical argument I've seen in a long time. Kudos to all involved. :yay
on an unrelated note....do you people still think reggie brown is a legit #1 wr and the next chad johnson?
He's no Hank Baskett, that's for sure.
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 19, 2006, 12:23:10 PM
the contention by everyone here is that the eagles are really the team of the first three quarters sunday and the giants were a fluke a perfect storm everything went there way fumbles bad calls ect in the 4th quarter...
therefore the next game will be like the first three quarters of sunday...because no way could a far superior team not blow them out for a full game next time as the perfect storm will not happen for the giants again in the 4th
right?....otherwise why even bring up the first three quarters of the game sunday...unless maybe that was the eagles perfect storm and thats not going to happen again either??
So... no one. check.
Quote from: hunt on September 19, 2006, 12:28:32 PM
on an unrelated note....do you people still think reggie brown is a legit #1 wr and the next chad johnson?
Chad Johnson? No... never was (unless someone actually said that... did they?). A legit #1? That remains to be seen. With the Eagles spread the ball philosophy other than TO and the dead weight WRs it's hard to say what they have half the time. Reggie's solid right now, that's about all I can say until he plays more and gets more passes thrown his way. Right now he's making the catches and scoring TDs.
Quote from: General_Failure on September 19, 2006, 12:24:21 PM
However, the Giants are still mediocre at best.
Correct. As are the Eagles.
Quote from: hunt on September 19, 2006, 12:28:32 PM
on an unrelated note....do you people still think reggie brown is a legit #1 wr and the next chad johnson?
Well... 2 of his 3 catches have been for TD's. He's on pace for an unprecendented 24 catches for 16 TD's. It's all about efficiency, baby!
he made a really nice play on his TD catch on Sunday. of course, it was against the Giants secondary, so that's not saying much.
Quote from: FFatPatt on September 19, 2006, 12:37:08 PM
Quote from: General_Failure on September 19, 2006, 12:24:21 PM
However, the Giants are still mediocre at best.
Correct. As are the Eagles.
Meanwhile, the Eagles have shown the ability to be good, while the Giants have shown the ability to sometimes throw the ball to a tall receiver.
Quote from: General_Failure on September 19, 2006, 12:39:23 PM
Meanwhile, the Eagles have shown the ability to be good, while the Giants have shown the ability to sometimes throw the ball to a tall receiver.
that's not the real eagles. that was one big 3 quarter flukefest. the real eagles were the ones in the 4th quarter, DUH!
Quote from: General_Failure on September 19, 2006, 12:39:23 PM
Quote from: FFatPatt on September 19, 2006, 12:37:08 PM
Quote from: General_Failure on September 19, 2006, 12:24:21 PM
However, the Giants are still mediocre at best.
Correct. As are the Eagles.
Meanwhile, the Eagles have shown the ability to be good, while the Giants have shown the ability to sometimes throw the ball to a tall receiver.
Don't get it twisted... the almighty Giants were allowing the Eagles to be good. They had us right where they wanted us.
Well, yes, we are used to the real Eagles dropping passes all day.
You know there are some deluded people here when I'm not even one of the homers anymore.
As long as we've got Bunkley and IGY, there is perspective in this world. Crazy perspective, but it's all we've got. You should probably start drinking during the day.
i would think the fact that i am as cynical and negative as any realist would make my strong opinion of this team stand out a little bit. i guess not.
Quote from: General_Failure on September 19, 2006, 12:53:15 PM
You should probably start drinking during the day.
Your assumption that I don't occasionally enjoy a frosty beer during the day already is quite incorrect.
I was thinking Draino.
the eagles have shown to be good and the giants havent....yet the giants should have beaten the colts and did beat the eagles....you people amaze me sometimes
Clearly Coach Reid didn't want to show too much of his 4th qtr game plan. He's saving that for the Cowboys.
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 19, 2006, 01:30:36 PM
the eagles have shown to be good and the giants havent....yet the giants should have beaten the colts and did beat the eagles....you people amaze me sometimes
If you can't see how much more obviously awesome the Eagles are, then you should drink Dran-O.
i know you're being obnoxious, but why when I say that they are better, you take it as "much more obviously awesome"? i never said that.
Quote from: SunMo on September 19, 2006, 01:39:49 PM
i know you're being obnoxious, but why when I say that they are better, you take it as "much more obviously awesome"? i never said that.
You're saying that the Eagles are
clearly the better team than the Giants, which couldn't be more wrong.
this is how it is....
giants were slightly better than the eagles before sunday
eagles should have won sunday
giants are still slightly better than the eagles
giants should win the rematch in ny
the end
this is REALLY how it is...
you and i thought the giants were slightly better than the eagles on sunday
eagles should have won sunday
giants are clearly not better than the eagles
eagles WILL win the rematch in NYC
the end
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 19, 2006, 01:41:07 PM
this is how it is....
giants were slightly better than the eagles before sunday
eagles should have won sunday
giants are still slightly better than the eagles
giants should win the rematch in ny
the end
so if the giants were better than the eagles coming in why should have the eagles won? the perfect storm of luck that the eagles had in the first half? i cant believe the dropped passes, the fumble, the no recovery on a fumble, the missed FG, and the personal fould the giants committed. oh wait...
im not going to get into semantics but at this point i have to believe that the eagles simply thought they had the game in the bag and then they lost. of course this isnt good for them and shows they arent the top team but thank god it happened now in week 2 rather than later. maybe they started believing in themselves a bit too much. but from when they "thought" they had to play, that being the first 3 qrts, and the houston game they have looked rather good.
i dont know if we are better than the giants or not but when we play them again if we focus and play like we did the 1st qrts for the whole game we will beat them. i dont know if that means we were lucky or it was a fluke performance or what but to me if the eagles play like that for a whole game not a lof of teams can beat them. we just have to get as lucky every game.
Quote from: SunMo on September 19, 2006, 01:47:59 PM
giants are clearly not better than the eagles
OK, starshine.
no, you're right, one quarter proves everything.
Quote from: FFatPatt on September 19, 2006, 01:55:36 PM
Quote from: SunMo on September 19, 2006, 01:47:59 PM
giants are clearly not better than the eagles
OK, starshine.
do you seriously believe the giants are clearly better than the eagles?
wtf?
Quote from: SunMo on September 19, 2006, 01:57:47 PM
no, you're right, one quarter proves everything.
I dunno if it proves everything, but it sure as hell proves we're going 1-15.
GET BRADY QUINN!
Quote from: PhillyGirl on September 19, 2006, 02:03:52 PM
do you seriously believe the giants are clearly better than the eagles?
wtf?
Nope, not really. But I do clearly believe the Eagles clearly aren't clearly better than the Giants.
Let's say... even, and the Giants get the tiebreaker because
they actually won the damn game, fair and square.
this game can be looked at one of two ways.
Your 6th month old puppy that you've had for 6 weeks, decideds to shtein in the hallway, and piss on the carpet right in front of you. even though for 3 weeks straight has gone outside, and let you know when she's had to go.
this is either - a momentary lapse where she was startled, thought she was abandoned. and the next time she'll be at the back door waiting patiently to be let outside.
or - the puppy was abused and or neglected for the 4 missing months in her history that you know...and now will continue to shtein all over because she beleives you will abuse her.
for the record the eagles dominated the first half and the giants dominated the second half
giants scored early in the first half and not again
eagles scored early in the second half and not again
so this notion that the giants had five minutes of luck and won the game is homer spinism at its worst
neither team is clearly better but as ff said the giants WON THE GAME and why do we play the games kids?
'we play to WIN THE GAME'
obviously they won the game, but this notion that they are better, contrary to evidence stating otherwise, just because they won is absurd.
back in 2003 when the birds were giving up 150+ yards on the ground per game...and i heard was, "Stats are meaningless, the birds won"
i dont see how that should be any different now.
where is the evidence that they are not better
they outscored the eagles 17-7 in the second half...the more important half...and beat them in their own stadium...winning on the road in division is huge and > losing at home in the division
wingspan = winner
and 7 of those 17 points were off a ridiculous bounce. HARDLY a "talented" drive.
that was a completed pass to the 15 yard line. fumbled inside the 10 from what i could see. a 9 play drive that started from 12 yard line.
it's not impossible to imagine the giants scoring even had burress held onto the ball inside the red zone there
and its not impossible to imagine the eagles scoring even had westbrook held onto the ball ::)
everytime i swear myself off this topic i end up coming back to it.
but no more for me, i have my opinion, everybody else has theres. i will be proven right at the end of the season, when the Eagles are 10-6 in 1st place of the division and the Giants are fighting the Cowboys for a WC spot at 9-7.
Either way, there is no way on Earth or in hell that this Eagles team will win a Super Bowl.
then don't bother watching. ::)
Quote from: PhillyGirl on September 19, 2006, 03:05:44 PM
then don't bother watching. ::)
Ask your fellow new homer SunMo if he even thinks this team has a remote shot at the Super Bowl.
That's how big of a fan I am - I'll keep watching even when there's no hope, even mathematically.
The Eagles are a better team than the Giants. Whether or not they were on sunday can be debated. The Eagles outplayed them, the Giants won, etc. The Eagles are the better team, and will win the division, finish with a better record, make it farther in the playoffs(if the Giants get there). In the long run this game will be meaningless, because the Eagles are going to beat the Giants in NY.
Quote from: Bunkley78 on September 19, 2006, 03:37:15 PM
The Eagles are a better team than the Giants. Whether or not they were on sunday can be debated. The Eagles outplayed them, the Giants won, etc. The Eagles are the better team, and will win the division, finish with a better record, make it farther in the playoffs(if the Giants get there). In the long run this game will be meaningless, because the Eagles are going to beat the Giants in NY.
link?
http://www.theeaglesarebetterthanthegiants.com/
Your server is down. You should fix that. Is it up yet? Hey, your server's still down.
Quote from: General_Failure on September 19, 2006, 03:49:42 PM
Your server is down. You should fix that. Is it up yet? Hey, your server's still down.
You're one to talk.
Quote from: SunMo on September 19, 2006, 02:59:06 PM
everytime i swear myself off this topic i end up coming back to it.
This thread is like ES. I know there's nothing intelligent being said in it. I know that everyone posting in it is an idiot. And I know I can't stop reading it.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on September 19, 2006, 07:44:10 PM
This thread is like ES. I know there's nothing intelligent being said in it. I know that everyone posting in it is an idiot. And I know I can't stop reading it.
Couldn't have said it better myself. Are people really arguing that the Eagles were 'clearly' better? Better teams don't give away 17 point leads or pack up their bags 5 minutes into the second half. They don't let Eli farging Manning march down the field with 56 seconds and no timeouts left.
The Eagles might 'be a better team' but on Sunday they weren't and arguing to the contrary is idiotic.
Well we haven't hit the " Eagles were sand bagging so that the 49ers wouldn't figure out the play book" threshold yet so there's more work to be done getting this thing up to ES standards.... Slackers!
if nothing else this thread has exposed the homer that is sun mo...and for that alone it was worth it
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 20, 2006, 12:12:59 PM
if nothing else this thread has exposed the homer that is sun mo...and for that alone it was worth it
He's the most rational person in this thread.
hes a blood sucking homer and you know it
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 20, 2006, 12:30:38 PM
hes a blood sucking homer and you know it
Actually, I always considered him more on your end of the spectrum. What did you do to him Sunday?
Quote from: Beermonkey on September 20, 2006, 12:28:47 PM
He's the most rational person in this thread.
Quote from: SunMo on September 19, 2006, 01:47:59 PM
giants are clearly not better than the eagles
eagles WILL win the rematch in NYC
Ha! Lies. Whatever, I look forward to his $20.
you all love me
Quote from: SunMo on September 20, 2006, 01:04:50 PM
you all love me
We love Herve Villechaize also. What does that say about you? Maybe nothing.
Raise your hand if you googled Herve in order to get that joke!
http://www.tradedforwheat.com/meshugenah/dancingherve.html
i didnt care enough, i assumed it wasnt going to be that funny. w0o!t...z0Ot....!!98
Quote from: Phanatic on September 20, 2006, 05:14:16 PM
Raise your hand if you googled Herve in order to get that joke!
http://www.tradedforwheat.com/meshugenah/dancingherve.html
The funniest thing about that is the fact that "meshugenah" is used in the address. And that's not even very funny.
Sheldon Brown agrees with the homers (http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/homeNewsDetail.jsp?id=55842)
His blogs are almost harder to read than "On the Inside".