With the 109th pick in the 2006 NFL Draft, the Philadephia Eagles select Jasan Avant (http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2006/avant_jason), WR out of Michigan.
I would have liked Marshall or Williams here. Not a big fan of Avant, but I think he'll pan out. Not a high ceiling, but he's a pretty safe pick IMO.
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Its an OK pick.
Would've preferred Webb, Marshall or Williams.
I totally forgot about Avant. I'd take him in a heartbeat. Williams is like a Todd Pinkston clone. Avant has more size.
I would have preferred Marshall but Avant is a good pick. Hell, they could choose ME at this point and I wouldn't criticize this draft. Okay, maybe I would...
QuoteJason Avant
WR | (6'0", 212, 4.52) | MICHIGAN
Scouts Grade: 73 Selected by: Philadelphia Eagles
Round: 4
Pick (Overall): 12(109)
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Career Totals Receiving Rushing
SEASON REC YDS AVG TD ATT YDS AVG TD
2005 82 1007 12.3 8 0 0 0.0 0
2004 38 447 11.8 3 0 0 0.0 0
2003 47 772 16.4 2 0 0 0.0 0
2002 2 21 10.5 0 0 0 0.0 0
Strengths: Possesses adequate height and is well-built. Is the model of consistency. Improves every season with more experience. Productive and reliable target. A possession receiver with a sturdy build. Is smooth and fluid in his hips. Shows good COD skills, body control and balance. Has adequate speed. Shows a great feel for reading coverages and finding soft spots in zone. He also knows how to set a DB up with double moves vs. man-coverage. He is fluid in and out of his breaks. Is a crisp route runner who uses his quickness, body control and experience to get open. His hands are outstanding. Extremely reliable. Makes a lot of plays in traffic, as well as in clutch situations. Can snatch on the run and catch over his head. Protects the ball and gets upfield quickly. Is a tough runner with decent vision, who will get what's available. He shows good awareness for the first-down marker. Shows good toughness and aggressiveness as a blocker. Plays with a little bit of a mean streak. Is a hard-working and intelligent player and student.
Weaknesses: Lacks explosive top-end speed. Not a huge vertical threat. Has adequate-to-good size but will not be a size-mismatch in the NFL passing game. He could have more trouble separating in the NFL because DB's will not fear him deep. He is not a big play threat after the catch. He lacks a great second-gear in space and is not overly elusive. He has reliable overall hands but will occasionally drop a ball that he absolutely should catch. Needs to become more consistent in terms of securing the ball on comeback routes, digs, curls, etc. before looking to turn up the field.
Overall: Avant was an All-American FS with 23 career interceptions in high school. He played sparingly as a reserve in his true freshman season in 2002. He finished second on the team with 47 receptions for 772 yards and two TDs as a sophomore in 2003. As a junior in 2004, Avant once again finished second on the team with 38 receptions for 447yards and three TDs. Prior to his senior season in 2005, Avant has already been named a two-time Academic All-Big Ten (2003-04) and a two-time All-Big Ten second team selection by coaches (2003-04). Avant's production has skyrocketed as the go-to-receiver for the Wolverines during his senior season in 2005, when he finished with 1,007 yards and eight TDs on 82 receptions. Avant spent the majority of his career as a backup or secondary target due to Braylon Edwards' (Browns) presence, but he seized the opportunity as a No. 1 receiver as a senior in 2005. Avant does not possess elite NFL "measurables", but his size and speed can at least be deemed adequate-to-good. Avant has improved with each passing year of experience and has developed into one of the most reliable, polished and clutch performers that college football had to offer at the wide receiver position in 2005. In many ways, he reminds us of David Givens (Patriots), who has developed into an extremely reliable No. 2 receiver in the NFL. Avant is a tough and aggressive receiver who isn't afraid to work the middle of the field and will give a great effort as a blocker and on special teams. Avant may never emerge as an elite big-play No. 1 target in the NFL, but we think he will quickly become a consistent and productive No. 2 possession wide receiver, which is why he grades out as a late-second round prospect in the 2006 class.
Quote from: Philly Forever on April 30, 2006, 12:02:13 PM
I totally forgot about Avant. I'd take him in a heartbeat. Williams is like a Todd Pinkston clone. Avant has more size.
Williams is taller then Avant and they weigh about the same.
Maybe Philly_Forever meant that he's beefier, so he won't get rag-dolled as easily?
Williams weighs 185, Avant weighs over 200, and Williams is 2 inches taller.
Quote from: Philly Forever on April 30, 2006, 12:04:45 PM
Williams weighs 185, Avant weighs over 200, and Williams is 2 inches taller.
Williams weighs more then 185, he weighed in at 197 at the combine.
Well during the college season he was a Todd Pinkston clone.
If he somehow converted to a different type of WR by the combine then whatever.
Still, I like Avant. He can get off the jam, and has good hands.
Is it "uh-VONT" or "AY-vont"? I've heard both....
Uh-VONT.
Avant = David Givens, or at least by reading the scouting reports and seeing him play sometimes that is the NFL comparision I come to conclude.
I'll take a sure-handed possession receiver in the later rounds. Good pickup.
I say uh-vant, like van. Sounds better.
QuoteIn Avant's case, there were questions about his speed after running a 4.8 40-yard dash at Michigan's pro day. But the measurements are misleading when considering the 6-foot, 209-pound receiver's production. He had a cast on his hand when he ran the 40-yard dash, impeding his start. But he'll let his on-field performance ring louder than his performance on a track.
"When I get on the field, I'm faster than any DB out there," Avant said. "I get open, I get separation. People are going to say things like that, but the 40-time is all track technique. But I'm a football player."
Jeez... how do you get ANY start on the 40 with a cast on your hand?
Quote"The hard work I have put into the game, from watching film, watching the cornerbacks technique, knowing they can't cut certain ways, different things like that as well as side to side movement," Avant said. "I think it will be a great fit and I am just ready to make all the teams that didn't pick me pay for it."
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Quote from: troyhstewart on April 29, 2006, 11:16:51 PM
I want no part of Skyler Green, I'd rather have Jeremy Bloom. I also don't want another Pinky in Watkins.
I wouldn't mind Marshall, Mike Haas, Jason Avant. I'm not going to pretend to know everybody on Phreak's list.
I would also consider taking a flyer on Reggie McNeal or Michael Robinson. McNeal ran a 4.41 40 and is a hell of an athlete. Robinson is a football player pure and simple, although I don't know where his best position would be.
wow, 2 players I mentioned actually got selected, that's rare.
G Lewis and Billy Mac better start packing.
Quote from: troyhstewart on April 30, 2006, 03:22:17 PM
wow, 2 players I mentioned actually got selected, that's rare.
G Lewis and Billy Mac better start packing.
We might actually be able to get one of these 7th rounders for them.
Did you see the smile that came across ARs face when he was asked about Avant? He really seems to like this guy. I would say he seems like a lock to make the team they wouldn't have traded up so far in order to secure him just to cut him.
Just hope Avant can break the Michigan WR curse. and we pray.
Quote from: MURP on April 30, 2006, 07:02:32 PM
Just hope Avant can break the Michigan WR curse. and we pray.
I don't worry about those curses, Edwards showed promise before he got hurt. Larry Johnson certainly showed PSU backs can play in the NFL.
Quote from: MURP on April 30, 2006, 07:02:32 PM
Just hope Avant can break the Michigan WR curse. and we pray.
You had to bring that up didn't you? :P
Edwards is the real deal... and if Avant doesn't do it... then Breaston will.
Quote from: EagleFeva on April 30, 2006, 07:58:58 PM
Quote from: MURP on April 30, 2006, 07:02:32 PM
Just hope Avant can break the Michigan WR curse. and we pray.
You had to bring that up didn't you? :P
Edwards is the real deal... and if Avant doesn't do it... then Breaston will.
...or Manningham.
The difference between Avant and the "busts" is that those guys were all these highly touted first or second round players that were busts. Not lower round guys expected to be a 3rd or 4th WR.
;D
I don't think the curse applies here.
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Ripped...
Can't wait to read Spadaro's article on Avant's physique.
i like this pick...mich qb's were shakey the last couple years or he would've put up much better numbers.
Quote from: FFatPatt on April 30, 2006, 08:19:32 PM
Can't wait to read Spadaro's article on Avant's physique.
I was thinking the same thing. You know that's the only reason he's putting these pics in their photo galleries.
Quote from: hunt on April 30, 2006, 08:22:05 PM
i like this pick...mich qb's were shakey the last couple years or he would've put up much better numbers.
That's for sure. Navarre was brutal and he had to endure Hemme's learning curve.
Avant's Highlight video. Check his hands for Super Glue. How many tough catches can guy make? (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/draft?round=4&dl=nfl)
Great pick. Anothe rone of the guys I had at the top of my board......especiallly on Day 2.
I am changing my opinion of him. It was originally a "meh" pick because I was dead set on seeing Stovall, Marshall, Webb or Jennings here. But Jennings went a little too soon and we missed out on Stovall.
But after watching and reading some more things on him, I like it. I remember him making several big grabs against Penn State though.
He really does catch everything. I read somewhere that he catches 91% of the balls thrown his way. He doesn't shy away from contact at all and will go over the middle and make the catch in traffic. We know Donovan will throw a "challenging" pass from time to time so it's good to have a guy who can make the tough catch.
Well, if he does pan out it gives them 2 solid young wideouts for the future. Reggie is the playmaking more speedy guy while Avant is the tough-as-nails over the middle guy who picks up big yards on third downs. And if Gaffney works out we have a nice trio.
Quote"When I get on the field, I'm faster than any DB out there," Avant said. "I get open, I get separation. People are going to say things like that, but the 40-time is all track technique. But I'm a football player."
"The hard work I have put into the game, from watching film, watching the cornerbacks technique, knowing they can't cut certain ways, different things like that as well as side to side movement," Avant said. "I think it will be a great fit and I am just ready to make all the teams that didn't pick me pay for it."
Uh, everyone passed on you at least once buddy, including the Eagles.
So he'll make the Eagles pay for it by Na Browning a pass in the endzone during the NFCCG. :D
Just as long as he doesn't Finneran on opening day.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 01, 2006, 12:57:24 AM
I remember him making several big grabs against Penn State though.
Damn straight. Mutha farger owes me.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 01, 2006, 03:27:13 AM
So he'll make the Eagles pay for it by Na Browning a pass in the endzone during the NFCCG. :D
Excellent verbage.
Amani Toomer had a pretty nice career for a Michigan WR.
And don't forget Anthony Carter! ;)
Quote from: EagleFeva on April 30, 2006, 08:23:58 PM
Quote from: hunt on April 30, 2006, 08:22:05 PM
i like this pick...mich qb's were shakey the last couple years or he would've put up much better numbers.
That's for sure. Navarre was brutal and he had to endure Hemme's learning curve.
Braylon Edwards put up 97 receptions, 1330 yards and 15 TD's his senior year with that curve. ;)
Quote from: EagleFeva on April 30, 2006, 10:04:42 PM
Avant's Highlight video. Check his hands for Super Glue. How many tough catches can guy make? (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/draft?round=4&dl=nfl)
That catch in the back of the endzone vs. Iowa was awesome. I remember seeing that catch too. :yay
Some of the those catches were very tough. I especially liked the ones he snatched up low. God knows we need someone able to get those rushed throws sometimes. He seems pretty fearless when going for the catch. I hate to say it but he reminds be of freddie mitchell but better and bigger. I like this guy :yay
Quote from: mussa on May 01, 2006, 10:34:06 AM
he reminds be of freddie mitchell but better and bigger
He's everything the Eagles wanted Freddie to use his skills to become. Instead, Freddie thought he was already awesome and didn't need to work on anything. That's why he's watching the NFL on TV these days.
Quote from: FFatPatt on May 01, 2006, 10:51:36 AM
Quote from: mussa on May 01, 2006, 10:34:06 AM
he reminds be of freddie mitchell but better and bigger
He's everything the Eagles wanted Freddie to use his skills to become. Instead, Freddie thought he was already awesome and didn't need to work on anything. That's why he's watching the NFL on TV these days.
The worst part is that Freddie was a 1st round pick... Avant is much better value in the second day.
The more I think about it, the more I love this pick. Watching the 2nd half of last season and all the dropped balls, and being pushed around, this pick makes sense. McNabb needs a sure-handed guy who can bring in a ball. I think all of us were tired of seeing a ball go off Greg Lewis' and McMullen's fingertips and the alligator arms. Avant is a tough sure-handed guy, who will help this offense I think. I doubt we'll be seeing a lot of dropped balls and alligator arms from him.
This offense won't score in 3 plays like it did in 2004, but I think it will be a good paced offense that can move up and down the field consistently.
If Avant can give us the kind of production--and more importantly, the kind of big catches for first downs--in his rookie year that FredEx gave us in '03 and '04, I'll be ecstatic.
Quote from: PhillyandBCEagles on May 01, 2006, 08:13:26 PM
If Avant can give us the kind of production--and more importantly, the kind of big catches for first downs--in his rookie year that FredEx gave us in '03 and '04, I'll be ecstatic.
Yeah, what would be awesome is if he made a "big" catch more than once a year.
Quote from: EagleFeva on April 30, 2006, 10:04:42 PM
Avant's Highlight video. Check his hands for Super Glue. How many tough catches can guy make? (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/draft?round=4&dl=nfl)
I know basically nothing about this guy but from watching that, here's my take:
Pros:
Excellent hands, leaping ability and all around athleticism. Some of the catches he made were amazing because there were quite a few in there where the ball was thrown well behind him, too far in front of him or over him.
He also seemed to have some shiftiness to him and ran a lot of underneath routes across the middle which will be a welcomed trait in the WCO.
And he showed great awareness on a few catches on the sidelines by getting his feet (foot) down.
Cons:
Nothing really major but he didn't seem to me to have great speed. The entire highlight reel consisted of him catching short/intermediate passes and in most cases was tackled shortly after. There was one or 2 plays where he was able to turn it into a big gain but absolutely nothing showing him beating a corner deep.
From what I saw in that reel I would label him a possesion reciever possibly similar to Keyshawn but maybe a little more athletic. And there's absolutely nothing wrong with that.
All in all, I like what I saw. :yay
Yeah thats the general knock on him, his speed.. I believe in the combine he ran a 4.8
Quote from: cmleary0919 on May 02, 2006, 01:13:09 AM
Yeah thats the general knock on him, his speed.. I believe in the combine he ran a 4.8
Is that what knocked him down in the draft? I remember when a lot of the first mocks came out in February he was picked by many to go in the second. I swear I saw one that had him going in the first. I am really excited about this guy. Hopefully he comes in here with something to prove after dropping into the fourth round.
As was said, he ran quicker at the combine. He ran a 4.8 on his pro day with a cast on his usual push-off hand.
didnt Anquan Boldin run a 4.7? I thought that was the whole knock on him.
Yep. It was a slowish time; otherwise, he would have been a first rounder.
yeah 40 time couldnt possibly be more overrated. Jerry Rice wasnt a super fast guy on the track, we all know how that turned out. Just look at the difference between Reggie Brown and Freddie Mitchell. One busts his ass to become a good player and the other goes on world travel and hangs out at hollywood parties every chance he gets. From Avante talking about catching 200 balls from the machine every day he atleast sounds like he has the desire to become a good player.
At this level, that's the key. Everybody has some talent to some degree in the NFL...but because the playing field is much more even, it's way harder to get by on that. I think it's pretty obvious the guys who relied solely on talent in their college careers have a much more difficult transition to the NFL. Give me the guy with a chip on his shoulder.
posted this on another thread:
Quote from: PhillyGirl on April 30, 2006, 12:03:27 PM
Jaworski just made a comment regarding timed speeds. He was talking about Vernon Davis and how yes, its great that he ran a great 40 time and such, but games are different than wearing t-shirts and shorts and running in that situation. I am not overly concerned with the kid's 40 times, the same way no one should be overly impressed with someone with a fantastic 40 time. It doesn't always equate to speed on the field or vice versa.
Hate to say this, but just look at TO. Not exactly the speed demon.
Well, yes and no. I agree with all of that, except the TO point. Last year he was timed in the 4.3 range, which is a pretty serious case of the quicks.
really. i'll pay attention when they run the 40's with at least a helmet on. or at least the NFL changes ovetime rule to include running into blocking sleds and doing windsprints.
Quote from: Zanshin on May 02, 2006, 09:20:09 AM
Well, yes and no. I agree with all of that, except the TO point. Last year he was timed in the 4.3 range, which is a pretty serious case of the quicks.
wha? Where did you read that?
It was all over the place. TO promoted that pretty heavily, actually ;)...but others backed it up.
I also think the 40 times are highly overrated. Especially when the Eagles pick a receiver with a crappy one.
;)
Quote from: Zanshin on May 02, 2006, 09:25:05 AM
It was all over the place. TO promoted that pretty heavily, actually ;)...but others backed it up.
Sounds like Drew Rosenhaus crap.
It was either 4.3 or 4.4 when he did that little show in Atlanta running track and telling Philly that he wanted to get paid...
Right. 4.33 sticks in my mind.
Quote from: Zanshin on May 02, 2006, 10:06:15 AM
Right. 4.33 sticks in my mind.
'cause it's what you paid at the pump this morning probably
Ahahaha. I laughed, Mo.
:-D
I also think the 40 times are highly overrated. Especially when the Eagles pick a receiver with a crappy one.
best post youve made in evers
Quote from: MURP on May 02, 2006, 09:14:46 AM
From Avante talking about catching 200 balls from the machine every day he atleast sounds like he has the desire to become a good player.
I think that's about 197 more than Freddie ever caught in every practice combined he's attended.
I think Avant was a good value pick on the second day. He was a productive college player, the Eagles value that. So do teams like the Pats. THey rank production up there with measurable talent.
I dunno, I'd definitely put TO in the speed demon category. He outruns everyone on the field. You don't take a 5 yard hitch and turn it into a 90 yard TD if you don't have any giddy-up.
Avant snags #81, apparently not afraid of the inevitable jokes that will come his way. Good for him.
From KFFL:
Quote
Eagles | Avant signed
Thu, 13 Jul 2006 11:10:04 -0700
The Philadelphia Eagles have announced the team has signed rookie WR Jason Avant, the team's fourth-round pick in the 2006 NFL Draft, to a four-year contract. Financial terms of the deal were not disclosed.
QuoteAVANT SIGNS DEAL; 2 PICKS TO GO
July 13, 2006
By ZACH BERMAN
The Eagles knew they faced a challenge in signing every draft pick in time for training camp, but they came one step closer on Thursday.
Jason Avant, one of the Eagles' two fourth-round picks, signed a four-year contract on Thursday. Avant is the final second-day selection to sign with the Eagles and the sixth of eight draft picks. Only the top two picks, first-rounder Brodrick Bunkley and second-rounder Winston Justice, remain unsigned.
Avant was one of the most productive college receivers in football last season, recording 82 catches for 1,007 yards and eight touchdowns at powerhouse Michigan. He finished his career third on the Wolverines' all-time receiving list in receptions behind Cleveland Browns 2005 first-round pick Braylon Edwards and Marquise Walker.
Avant is in a crowded mix of receivers for the Eagles, but his experience and NFL-ready size makes him an intriguing option.
Training camp opens for rookies and selected veterans on Thursday, July 20.
number of catches avant has this year - 10
over/under?
Over.
I'm an optimist. I'll go with the over. Probably between 10-20. I actually think he has a real shot to contribute, thanks to the dearth of actual talent at the position.
so...who are the wideouts to make the team this year?
i go with Pink, Lewis, Avant, Gaffney, Reggie, Baskett
Quote from: SunMoTzu on July 13, 2006, 02:59:56 PM
so...who are the wideouts to make the team this year?
i go with Pink, Lewis, Avant, Gaffney, Reggie, Baskett
No Bloom? I think Bloom makes it (mostly as a specialist) and Baskett does not.
i know it's a bit of an upset, but i think Baskett will be better in camp due to at least playing football the past couple of years.
Quote from: SunMoTzu on July 13, 2006, 03:10:42 PM
i know it's a bit of an upset, but i think Baskett will be better in camp due to at least playing football the past couple of years.
Plus, if the Eagles traded a stud like Billy McMullen for him, he has to be good!*HR!!(*bf8fbq8g!!fu73w!r32q8t5!182tq!
over
That is the most digusting group of WRs I've ever seen.
Quote from: rjs246 on July 13, 2006, 03:20:35 PM
That is the most digusting group of WRs I've ever seen.
Torrance Small, Na Brown, Gari Scott, Billy McMullen, Victor Bailey, Tony "brother of Larry" Johnson
Now you've seen a more disgusting group of WR's.
Quote from: rjs246 on July 13, 2006, 03:20:35 PM
That is the most digesting group of WRs I've ever seen.
...but McNabb should be able to elevate any one of these guys in to a pseudo #1 receiver surely...
maybe not a number one...but if hes such a good qb he should turn some of them from horrible wr's to good ones...something hes never done even once in his career
Quote from: FFatPatt on July 13, 2006, 03:23:23 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on July 13, 2006, 03:20:35 PM
That is the most digusting group of WRs I've ever seen.
Torrance Small, Na Brown, Gari Scott, Billy McMullen, Victor Bailey, Tony "brother of Larry" Johnson
Now you've seen a more disgusting group of WR's.
yea really :-D :boom :paranoid
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 13, 2006, 03:41:22 PM
maybe not a number one...but if hes such a good qb he should turn some of them from horrible wr's to good ones...something hes never done even once in his career
keep slurpin that free slurpy dook
if pinkston were healthy i would say this years group is better than the small/johnson group...but hes not so this years group wins the award for worst wr corps EVER
keep slurpin that free slurpy dook
but has he?
Quote from: mussa on July 13, 2006, 03:49:14 PM
yea really :-D :boom :paranoid
I forgot about Dameane Douglas.
has anybody made those same set of WRs look good? b4 they were on the eagles or after they were on the eagles?
it not so clear cut as mcnabb has to make mediocre WRs look good...it goes both way....McNabb isnt great enough to make average WRs into good reliable WRs and the WRs we have were nowhere even near good or helped in thier own right. if the WRs cant beat bump and run and are getting bullied by the corners...there is lil McNabb can do.
of course it goes both ways
but again: zero in seven years
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 13, 2006, 04:16:21 PM
of course it goes both ways
but again: zero in seven years
Yeah right McNabb has to make sure they run their routes, fight through the jam and catch the damn ball. Maybe he should make sure Pinky hits the gym this year...
I'm not buying what your selling. It is a false premise.
That's OK. It seems to have made for some sort of discussion in the Eagles section.
Just because I'm bored...
In the last seven years how many championships were won from the QB position....
1999 - St. Louis Rams
2000 - Baltimore Ravens
2001 - New England Patriots
2002 - Tampa Bay Buccaneers
2003 - New England Patriots
2004 - New England Patriots
2005 - Pittsburgh Steelers
I'd argue maybe 1999 because that offense was all about the pass but Kurt Warner had some serious tools around him.
Baltimore = Defense and Ball control
New England = Well balanced all team consistent performance.
Tampa Bay = Baltimore
Steelers = Luck in one of the ugliest SBs ever.
Lesson? If the coaching staff of the Eagles thinks they are going to win a SB from the QB position current trends say no!
Well, even if they're banking on the QB, it sure would be nice of them to give him some more help.
Quote from: FFatPatt on July 13, 2006, 10:06:03 PM
Well, even if they're banking on the QB, it sure would be nice of them to give him some more help.
I agree
I think of all the retired quaterbacks that have won a Super Bowl, only one is not in the Hall of Fame. I'm not sure where this stands in this argument - just thought I'd put it out there.
Oh yeah? Got a list? I'd like to see that.
Quote from: sallad selgae on July 14, 2006, 10:27:26 AM
I think of all the retired quaterbacks that have won a Super Bowl, only one is not in the Hall of Fame. I'm not sure where this stands in this argument - just thought I'd put it out there.
it stands no where.
Jim McMahon
Doug Williams
Jeff Hostetler
Jim Plunkett
Mark Rypian
Phil Simms
Complete list of super bowl winning QBs
1. Bart Starr
2. Bart Star
3. Joe Namath
4. Len Dawson
5. Johnny Unitas
6. Roger Staubach
7. Bob Griese
8. Bob Griese
9. Terry Bradshaw
10. Terry Bradshaw
11. Ken Stabler
12. Roger Staubach
13. Terry Bradshaw
14. Terry Bradshaw
15. Jim Plunkett
16. Joe Montana
17. Joe Theismann
18. Jim Plunkett
19. Joe Montana
20. Jim McMahon
21. Phil Simms
22. Doug Williams
23. Joe Montana
24. Joe Montana
25. Jeff Hostetler
26. Mark Rypien
27. Troy Aikman
28. Troy Aikman
29. Steve Young
30. Troy Aikman
31. Brett Favre
32. John Elway
33. John Elway
34. Kurt Warner
35. Trent Dilfer
36. Tom Brady
37. Brad Johnson
38. Tom Brady
39. Tom Brady
40. Ben Rothlisberger
Historically speaking teams win with strong QBs. The last 7 years look a little different. If Trent f'ing Dilfer and Brad Johnson can get a ring DMac certainly can with the right personel.
Quote from: Phanatic on July 14, 2006, 11:47:20 AM
Historically speaking teams win with strong QBs. The last 7 years look a little different. If Trent f'ing Dilfer and Brad Johnson can get a ring DMac certainly can with the right personel.
two little facts that you overlook, those were two of the best defences...ever. and, gasp, they RAN the ball.
Brad fargin Johnson. :boom
Quote from: Phanatic on July 13, 2006, 06:17:14 PMQuote from: FFatPatt on July 13, 2006, 10:06:03 PM
Well, even if they're banking on the QB, it sure would be nice of them to give him some more help.
Lesson? If the coaching staff of the Eagles thinks they are going to win a SB from the QB position current trends say no!
Quote from: FFatPatt on July 13, 2006, 10:06:03 PM
Well, even if they're banking on the QB, it sure would be nice of them to give him some more help.
Quote from: SunMoTzu on July 14, 2006, 11:49:44 AM
Quote from: Phanatic on July 14, 2006, 11:47:20 AM
Historically speaking teams win with strong QBs. The last 7 years look a little different. If Trent f'ing Dilfer and Brad Johnson can get a ring DMac certainly can with the right personel.
two little facts that you overlook, those were two of the best defences...ever. and, gasp, they RAN the ball.
Exfreakingactly, how freaking basic can this be. No one player is taking a team to the SB. The QB needs a line that can protect and receivers that can catch. RB's need a line that opens holes. The offence needs the defence, the defence needs the offence. I am sick of the "McNabb has to step up for us to get in the playoffs" The whole team needs to step it up. That starts with Reid and goes to the last guy hanging on to a practice squad spot.
fargin A right. If your gonna be pass happy then they should of pursued somebody other than babar gaffney. what we had randel el, moulds and just a average guy like JAVON fargIN WALKER. Then they feel " confident" in their group of "guys". "We're gonna balance the offense out alittle this year" Do we get another running back? NO...we get Buckhalter back...wow...pop...injury. farg i'll give barbaro a better chance of survival than buckhalters knees. meanwhile the teams got the money, thats not an issue. oh but as long as those "i bleed green" commercials are still running, then well i feel great about this year!
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Quote from: Eagles 3x on July 14, 2006, 12:15:49 PM
Quote from: Phanatic on July 13, 2006, 06:17:14 PMQuote from: FFatPatt on July 13, 2006, 10:06:03 PM
Well, even if they're banking on the QB, it sure would be nice of them to give him some more help.
Lesson? If the coaching staff of the Eagles thinks they are going to win a SB from the QB position current trends say no!
Quote from: FFatPatt on July 13, 2006, 10:06:03 PM
Well, even if they're banking on the QB, it sure would be nice of them to give him some more help.
Quote from: SunMoTzu on July 14, 2006, 11:49:44 AM
Quote from: Phanatic on July 14, 2006, 11:47:20 AM
Historically speaking teams win with strong QBs. The last 7 years look a little different. If Trent f'ing Dilfer and Brad Johnson can get a ring DMac certainly can with the right personel.
two little facts that you overlook, those were two of the best defences...ever. and, gasp, they RAN the ball.
Exfreakingactly, how freaking basic can this be. No one player is taking a team to the SB. The QB needs a line that can protect and receivers that can catch. RB's need a line that opens holes. The offence needs the defence, the defence needs the offence. I am sick of the "McNabb has to step up for us to get in the playoffs" The whole team needs to step it up. That starts with Reid and goes to the last guy hanging on to a practice squad spot.
I'm in agreement with all of this...
Are you serious Mussa?
Randle El wouldnt even start. He isnt a good receiver. His value is on returns and trick plays. That's about it. Gaffney had better receiving stats then ARE last year. Would you seriously pay Randle El $30M +?
Moulds wasnt coming here.
The Eagles offered a second rounder for Walker. The Packers didnt want to trade him to an NFC team, and why would they. You want the Eagles to offer a 1st rounder? No.
Quote from: Dillen37 on July 14, 2006, 12:34:29 PM
Moulds wasnt coming here.
why, because you say so?
biggest eagles apologist EVER?
Dave Spadaro
dillen spadaro?
lolz igy! u shud be a comedian?
Farging moron. It's fact about Randle El and Walker. The Eagles werent/havent shown they'd go after a 31 year old receiver that wants a new contract and would cost a 3rd or a 4th rounder that has been in the decline the past 3 years.
Quote from: Dillen37 on July 14, 2006, 01:07:56 PM
The Eagles werent/havent shown they'd go after a 31 year old receiver that wants a new contract and would cost a 3rd or a 4th rounder that has been in the decline the past 3 years.
actually, they did show interest and they did try, but they failed, just like they failed on Walker, just like they failed on Bentley.
but hey, the Eagles do no wrong, you said so.
Yep. You caught me. Ive never blasted the Eagles. Ever.
we know.
Randle El wouldnt even start.
Moulds wasnt coming here.
The Eagles offered a second rounder for Walker.
The Packers didnt want to trade him to an NFC team.
links?
Randle El isnt a good receiver. Everyone knows that. I said it before he signed with the taterskins too. His value is as a returner and in trickplays.
I looked for 5 minutes about the Eagles offering a 2nd rounder and the Pack not wanting to trade him to an NFC team and couldnt find anything. It's not worth the time to try and find it. Im pretty sure its true, unless it was just a rumor or whatever. You cant believe half the stuff in the papers anyways. I dont really care.
Obviously the Packers would prefer to trade him to an AFC team, and even if the Eagles did offer pick 45, why would they take that over the Broncos' 37?
Here: http://draftwizard.com/content/viewarticle?article_id=3119
You need to register. I made an account. Username concretefield, password concrete.
yeah, there's no way to make a better deal even though you have a lower 2nd round pick. if only you were allowed to, say, offer ANOTHER pick with the 2nd.
All im saying is they tried. Maybe they felt like he was only worth a 2nd, even though I would have thrown in a 4th too.
Also, as far as me never ripping them, I said at the time I dont understand why they'd pick Avant over Brandon Marshall or Demetrius Williams. Marshall has a better chance of being a star, and Avant is way too much like Gaffney. Williams is the insurance for Pinkston, or we could just get rid of Pinkston all together in that case because Williams is the same player but not as rail thin. I've ripped them for not ponying up and just giving a 4th or 5th rounder for Lelie.
Quote from: Dillen37 on July 14, 2006, 02:16:25 PM
All im saying is they tried.
Your mom tried. Oh! zing zammo!
Quote from: FFatPatt on July 13, 2006, 10:06:03 PM
Well, even if they're banking on the QB, it sure would be nice of them to give him some more help.
BS... he doesn't need help. McNabb should be able to elevate guys like Pinky and Greg Lewis into HOF'ers so the Eagles can win the Sooper Bowl!11!1!1!!