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trade everyone. seriously. i would like 12 new players. and a new gm. but 12 new players.
If getting rid of Salmons is the biggest change they make... ha!
Rajon Rondo is just not that good. I don't see what the fascination is.
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on April 22, 2006, 04:46:42 PM
Rajon Rondo is just not that good. I don't see what the fascination is.
you don't want an undersized pg with a drive & shoot first mentality and a questionable jump shot?
A couple of early mocks:
Draft Express and Hoops Hype = Rodney Carney
Hoops Vibe = Ronnie Brewer (undecided about declaring for draft)
NBADraft.net = Mardy Collins
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Looks like most teams will have us picking a shooting guard. FYI, the first 3 mocks mentioned all had Rondo going one pick later to Utah...
If the Sixers trade AI they'll probably take Marcus Williams.
If the Sixers trade AI they'll probably average 5,000 less fans a game.
you don't want an undersized pg with a drive & shoot first mentality and a questionable jump shot?
you never even heard of him till i brought him up on the board and now youre getting false information from other people on websites...pretty smart way to judge a player id say?...actually he doesnt have a shoot first mentality at all...he was criticized at kentucky for not shooting enough..he does have a weak shot right now...but so does tony parker and hes been in the league for four years...in fact there arent a whole lot of true point guards with shots in the league
what rondo does have is a lightining quick handle and a great ability to distribute the ball...hopefully the shot will come if not he will just need to learn the game and he could be a parker like point guard...but even quicker...he is the perfect first piece of the puzzle in the rebuilding of the sixers
i didn't get my false information from any website, dook...i made it up myself.
i really don't care about rondo...if he really is the next tony parker, he'd be a good pick...assuming they trade iverson.
if they keep a1, drafting a 6'1 pg doesn't make much sense, imo.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on April 24, 2006, 05:56:59 AM
If the Sixers trade AI they'll probably average 5,000 less fans a game.
i think that would take them into negative numbers.
Ill take any PG that has a lightning quick first step and can get by the first defender--then follow that up with an assist. We need balance and flow to this offense. I'll take your word for it IGY if Rondo can learn to pull that off.
Now we need some perimeter shooting fast. Korver is not our answer--hes situational
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 24, 2006, 07:54:58 AMyou never even heard of him till i brought him up on the board
Maybe hunt hadn't, but I remember him from the McDonald's All-American game...
inside info on the fan appreciation debacle...a1 & c-webb told the training staff they weren't playing the day before the game. the training staff told billy king & the PR department...nobody told cheeks. king & the PR dept did not tell the media because they did not want to hurt walk-up ticket sales for fan appreciation night.
King is a good actor then...
Yeah, really. Did he get a degree in drama at Duke?
Or maybe Billy was "fargin pissed" because they showed up late and not because they weren;t going to play?
Even so, way to throw Cheeks under the bus, Billy.
Maybe King was really just (http://www.bigal.org/bigberthas/images/g106.jpg)
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 01, 2006, 01:49:32 AM
Or maybe Billy was "fargin pissed" because they showed up late and not because they weren;t going to play?
i think that was it.
anyway, king & the PR dept screwed mo & the fans.
the hot new rumor from Eskin is that Billy King absolutely knew Iverson and Webber were not coming to the game. All of those antics you saw on TV were fake as he desperately wanted the fans to buy tickets for the Fan Appreciation night.
Funny how we havent heard of any fines since that incident huh? King was so mad on camera that is was almost too easy they were getting fined....please. King is a joke and is the biggest nut rider this side of Philly as a GM.
Business 101: dont become buddies with your employees--they will take adantage of you
I read that the day after the game. I'm not sure where, but there was a lot of speculation that King knew but didn't tell Cheeks or the fans so he wouldn't affect the walk-up tickets that night.
Quote from: hunt on April 30, 2006, 08:46:20 PM
inside info on the fan appreciation debacle...a1 & c-webb told the training staff they weren't playing the day before the game. the training staff told billy king & the PR department...nobody told cheeks. king & the PR dept did not tell the media because they did not want to hurt walk-up ticket sales for fan appreciation night.
idiots.
Hunt weekdays in the afternoon on WIP starting at 3pm.
Good work.
I'll just throw this out there to see some opinions:
Assuming the Knicks and Brown part ways, would you want him back as the Sixers coach?
yes, assuming he has no role in drafting players and Iverson leaves
Quote from: reese125 on May 15, 2006, 03:39:25 PM
yes, assuming he has no role in drafting players and Iverson leaves
Which means Brown isn't coming.
He's a good coach, but I dont want him back. :boo
This team needs to find and cultivate youth--something Brown doesn't exactly have a penchant for doing. If the Sixers were closing to competing for the title next year, I'd consider it, but of course, we wouldn't be talking about hiring a different coach in that scenario either.
and the Pistons players were how old when he took them? Brown can coach very well, its up to the players who want to play "team ball" which is indicative of Brown's style. If you dont want to contribute in that category and play solid defense, Browns philosophy is thrown out the window--which was the case in New York
3 key players that ruin that philosophy:
Jamal Crawford--shoot first, Marbury--shoot first then pass and Ed Curry--no defense. Tack on Francis--it gets worse
Quote from: reese125 on May 15, 2006, 05:12:25 PM
and the Pistons players were how old when he took them? Brown can coach very well, its up to the players who want to play "team ball" which is indicative of Brown's style. If you dont want to contribute in that category and play solid defense, Browns philosophy is thrown out the window--which was the case in New York
3 key players that ruin that philosophy:
Jamal Crawford--shoot first, Marbury--shoot first then pass and Ed Curry--no defense. Tack on Francis--it gets worse
The Pistons were on the verge by the time he took over. The Sixers aren't. The only young player that Brown relied on was Tayshaun Prince and he had experienced veterans willing to play for him. Who would he have in Philly? Iverson? Webber? I just don't see it.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on May 15, 2006, 03:35:35 PM
I'll just throw this out there to see some opinions:
Assuming the Knicks and Brown part ways, would you want him back as the Sixers coach?
I'd rather poke myself in the eye with a fork.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on May 15, 2006, 03:35:35 PM
I'll just throw this out there to see some opinions:
Assuming the Knicks and Brown part ways, would you want him back as the Sixers coach?
Definitely. He took the Sixers to the Finals and is the best coach in the league. In a team that plays dreadful defense he'd be a blessing. Won't happen, but I'd take him.
Quote from: Bunkley78 on May 15, 2006, 05:46:24 PM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on May 15, 2006, 03:35:35 PM
I'll just throw this out there to see some opinions:
Assuming the Knicks and Brown part ways, would you want him back as the Sixers coach?
Definitely. He took the Sixers to the Finals and is the best coach in the league. In a team that plays dreadful defense he'd be a blessing. Won't happen, but I'd take him.
I just threw up all over myself.
Yeah, but you've been doing Jager shots nonstop since 10am. That could just be coincidence.
The Pistons were on the verge by the time he took over. The Sixers aren't. The only young player that Brown relied on was Tayshaun Prince and he had experienced veterans willing to play for him. Who would he have in Philly? Iverson? Webber? I just don't see it.
Hamilton was the leading scorer with 19
Billups was a 16 and 3 player
Ben wallace was a 6 and 15
Prince didnt even know how to play NBA ball
this team developed a chemisty unlike any other NBA team in a long time because of Brown...bottom line. He implanted the words ball rotation and defense in the minds of these players. these guys were surely not superstars when he got em.
brown would stick a fork in his eye before he ever took over the mess that is the sixers
yep...brown's an a-hole but he's not stupid.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on May 15, 2006, 05:49:36 PM
Quote from: Bunkley78 on May 15, 2006, 05:46:24 PM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on May 15, 2006, 03:35:35 PM
I'll just throw this out there to see some opinions:
Assuming the Knicks and Brown part ways, would you want him back as the Sixers coach?
Definitely. He took the Sixers to the Finals and is the best coach in the league. In a team that plays dreadful defense he'd be a blessing. Won't happen, but I'd take him.
I just threw up all over myself.
He's not my favorite but name me a better coach.
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 16, 2006, 09:45:52 AM
brown would stick a fork in his eye before he ever took over the mess that is the sixers
He and his wife love the area, I'm not saying it will happen just saying its not as far fetched as you make it sound.
yeah he loves the area so much he bolted town for the hell hole that is detroit...brown doesnt love anything but himself...hes a narcissitic lying a-hole
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 16, 2006, 09:55:07 AM
yeah he loves the area so much he bolted town for the hell hole that is detroit...brown doesnt love anything but himself...hes a narcissitic lying a-hole
That was a basketball decision and a smart one. He may be all of the above but he's still an excellent coach depite having an awful season in NY.
oh hes a great coach no doubt
If I were Brown, I'd just spend my days counting my piles and piles of money.
Or, I'd go to work as a part-time analyst for ESPN.
:-D
Larry Brown's monotone voice as an analyst.
Stuart Scott: So Larry, analyzing this game, how come the Cavaliers couldn't pull it out?
Larry: They didn't have Ty, they didn't have George, they didn't have Theo...
Stu: Uhhh, Larry? They don't play for the Cavaliers.
Larry: Yeaaah....
Larry Brown is an extrovert
"Larry, what did you think of that great game last night in Dallas where the Mavericks won 123-118 in overtime?"
"I didn't like it. Not enough defense."
Just when you think the Philly hacks can't get any more retarded, you read this:
QuoteSam Donnellon | LET'S BROWN BAGGAGE IT
NOTE TO Ed Snider:
Larry Brown is about to become available again.
If the New York press is to be believed, only the details of a Knicks buyout that could total as much as $40 million are between Brown and another round of free agency, provided his bladder heals in time for next season.
Word is that Larry wants to coach again, but a little creativity on your part might entice him to accept a new role, a different role, a breakthrough role.
Here's what you do: Offer him a piece of the team, a little piece, but one big enough to egg on his ego. Give him one of those faux titles like executive assistant vice chairman of Comcast-Spectacor or something like that. Either that, or let him call you Ed.
I know. That's pretty much what Pat Croce wanted back in 2001, and you told him right then and there what he could do with his sunny disposition. But that was different. Pat wanted to run the 76ers and Flyers, wanted to push you out of the picture, and no one does that to Mr. Snider, not now, not ever.
This would not be like that. You still would be the big, big, big boss. Mr. Snider to everyone in the world (except Billie Jean King for whatever reason).
Titles aside, Larry would be around only to fix the Sixers.
What we need Larry to do is build us a contending team, the way he did way back when,
pulling the likes of Eric Snow, Aaron McKie, Matt Geiger, Theo Ratliff, Tyrone Hill and Dikembe Mutombo from the rosters of
other teams. Yeah, yeah, he also gave us Derrick Coleman, but that was a desperation move, when that core group all got old or injured at once.
What have you got to lose? It's not as if the guy who followed him did better. Or the guy who followed him. Or the guy who... well, you get the drift.
It's not as if the GM he left
behind has made us believers,
either. I know Larry floated out that tripe when he got to Detroit about not having control here, but you and I know he was just filling notebooks on a slow day. You and I know Larry builds them and then breaks them, like a smart, but hyperactive child.
Larry got a ready-made team over the hump in Detroit, won his first-ever NBA championship, then parlayed it into the New York job. Like everything else in his life, his maneuverings were the strokes of both a master and madman,
securing oodles of money from the clueless folks who own the Knicks, making himself sick as he failed, for the first time, to
improve a team he took control of.
Yes, there's baggage with Brown. There was baggage last time, too. He was escaping Indiana then, having failed to win a championship with Reggie Miller, coming oh-so-close, as he did in his term here with the Sixers. He blamed upper management for that, the same frustration he apparently had in Detroit, and clearly what he had in his 10 months with the Knicks.
I'll beat Larry to the punch here. He will tell you he had no control over the makeup of the Knicks, something he swore he would never allow to happen
after his experience in Indiana. Maybe it was his success with the ready-made Pistons that made that seem less important,
I don't know. All I know is that you will have to give him complete control over basketball
operations if you want him here.
And believe me, you want him here. You know he and Billy King make a good team. You know Mo Cheeks respects the hell out of him. Yes, both men would suffer a loss of power, but I think both would be OK with it, especially if he comes in with that new and nifty title. It's not as if you are inserting Doug Moe in there. You are making a move to improve the team.
You could even argue that he never had it so good as when he was here. Only Croce got in his way, and he's gone now. In much the same way Phil Jackson solidified his stature this season by guiding the Lakers into the playoffs, Brown could cleanse a reputation sullied in Detroit and muddied in New York - and we won't even mention Athens - by returning to the place of, arguably, his greatest achievement.
That's right. Those pieced-together Sixers made it to the 2001 NBA Finals, lit this place up for the first time since the 1993 Phillies. Maybe this time it doesn't work as well, with Larry creeping up on the years, his health not as good, his interest
perhaps waning, as well. But really, Ed, Mr. Snider, big, big, big boss - what've ya got to lose?
Good God. :puke
No way.
Larry has become an even bigger diva.
According to a Minnesota news article, the Sixers are one of a few teams that is implementing "Hollywood" seating and relocating a few media seats. These seats will be around $1500 a ticket...
Is that where you can sit directly next to the coaches and players?
yup, like Jack Nicholson
Who the hell wants to pay that much to see a crappy basketball team and Mo Cheeks sit there with his head in his hands.
from todays atl journal constitution.....
Gremlin says, get Iverson, Hawks
Jeff Schultz - Staff
Monday, May 22, 2006
There is a gremlin sitting on the Hawks' shoulder, saying what all gremlins say: "Do it."
The Hawks are off the radar on the Atlanta sports scene. They are off the board annually in playoff races by December. They have a chance to get one of the NBA's premier players.
"Do it. Come on. You know you want to. What else are you going to do? Draft some guy from Italy?"
Allen Iverson scores points. He sells tickets. Those are two things that put him ahead of almost everybody else. Isn't that enough to overlook the other junk stuffed in the luggage compartment?
The Hawks just won 26 games, and that was after improvement. Is it worth a risk to become, like, relevant?
"Do it, do it, do it!"
Another offseason and another rebuilding project awaits. Is it time to throw the dice yet?
They have thought about it. They have talked about it. Dude, don't be naive --- of course they have talked about it. When you run a franchise and finish last and have to dive into the cesspool of more postseason analysis, you talk about everything. You certainly talk about Allen Iverson.
I have had several conversations with myself about Allen Iverson. I have told myself to shut up. I have tried to talk myself out of it. I can't. Gremlins.
Iverson will be 31 next month. He was still the NBA's second-leading scorer this season at 33 points per game. That ranked just behind Kobe Bryant and just ahead of LeBron James, neither of whom are available.
He averaged 7.4 assists. Say what you want about Iverson hogging the ball, particularly for a point guard. But those 7.4 assists ranked ahead of any Hawks player.
So. A backcourt with Allen Iverson and Joe Johnson. Reminds me of an old question back in the Jurassic: "Do the Hawks play tonight?"
This isn't a new rumor. It's an old rumor with new juice. Word first drifted out of Philadelphia early in the season that Iverson wanted out. The Hawks were mentioned as a possible destination because the Hawks always are mentioned as a possible destination. It's the residue of having salary cap room. And agents.
Iverson-to-Atlanta (or anywhere) was resuscitated when the Sixers went 8-16 down the stretch and missed the playoffs. Iverson and his partner in baggage, Chris Webber, planned to sit out the year's home finale. They didn't arrive until just before tip-off. They weren't on the bench for fan appreciation night. Oops.
General manager Billy King didn't take it well. He fined both and, in a profanity-laced tirade, said: "We didn't make the playoffs. I've got a lot of [bleep!] work to do, and this is some [bleep!] that's a distraction to me. Am I [bleep!] off? You're [bleep!] right I am."
Got it.
King did not state: "A.I. is gone."
Neither did he state: "A.I.'s my man."
A.I. stands for, "Available immediately."
I know. For every pro, there's a con. Maybe even an ex-con. But let's put the entourage aside for now.
There's that practice thing. Iverson doesn't like it. There's that money thing. It's a long, expensive risk. Iverson has three seasons left on his contract totaling $60.328 million. If it didn't work out, it would be a mistake of Koncakian proportions.
Iverson could negatively impact the Hawks' younger players. He is not known as the nurturing sort. He is not first on the list of guys you think of who would say, "Please coach, let me be the one to show Josh Smith how to win."
But Hawks coach Mike Woodson would know what he's getting into. He was an assistant in Philly. There's always that chance, too, that a change of scenery would give Iverson new perspective.
Hey. There's a chance, OK?
Billy Knight started this project by cleaning out big contracts. The net result: 39 wins, 125 losses and holes. How much better can they realistically expect to be next season without a bold move?
Iverson would give the Hawks a presence. A toughness. A guy who actually wants the ball when the game's on the line.
He has flaws. Big ones. But stars without flaws generally aren't available, so we debate risk-reward. Iverson scores points and sells tickets, and the guy on my shoulder won't shut up.
QuoteThere's that practice thing. Iverson doesn't like it. There's that money thing. It's a long, expensive risk. Iverson has three seasons left on his contract totaling $60.328 million. If it didn't work out, it would be a mistake of Koncakian proportions.
Awsum.
I have had several conversations with myself about Allen Iverson. I have told myself to shut up. I have tried to talk myself out of it. I can't. Gremlins.
This guys seems like a reputable journalist.
King is so on AI's jock, he would never send him to Atlanta...ever
Atlanta doesn't have much to give you anyway.
Quote from: Bunkley78 on May 22, 2006, 03:26:05 PM
Atlanta doesn't have much to give you anyway.
Vick for Iverson straight uP!
Quote from: FFatPatt on May 22, 2006, 03:28:06 PM
Quote from: Bunkley78 on May 22, 2006, 03:26:05 PM
Atlanta doesn't have much to give you anyway.
Vick for Iverson straight uP!
I saw Vick throw a football through the hoop from half-court once. Thats gotta be worth a couple of points at least.
all those high ass passes Vick loves to dart, would be great for Iguodala. good call
When is the lottery, tomorrow?
tomorrow at 7:30
tnt (i think)
http://www.sportsline.com/collegebasketball/story/9415460
what a zesty article.
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 22, 2006, 04:47:07 PM
http://www.sportsline.com/collegebasketball/story/9415460
QuoteRajon Rondo Kentucky G So. 6-2 171
Great athlete couldn't shoot his way into a YMCA pick-up game.
Why, exactly, do you want this guy?
i wouldn't take that guy's word for anything, it seems as though he thinks every non-senior won't make it in the nba
Quote from: phattymatty on May 22, 2006, 05:23:54 PM
i wouldn't take that guy's word for anything, it seems as though he thinks every non-senior won't make it in the nba
So, IGY posted it... why?
Tomorrow, NBA Shootaround is on at 7 and the Lottery is listed at 730 on ESPN. On an ESPN commercial they had the lottery starting at 7 so turn it on then, if anyone wants to watch it.
So, IGY posted it... why?
why do people on the internet not have their own opinions...i dont get it...do you honestly believe i shouldnt post an article because it goes against my opinion...i happen to believe he has a chance to be the best point guard in this draft...and just because some random no name on cbspsortsline says otherwise means i shouldnt post it...what the hell??
this is why i pay attention to none of the propaganda any eagle homer on this board posts...because i know they will only post stuff that they like...its like people need a writer or blogger to tell them what to think...you will never find me posting an article to try and support my opinion...because even if a writer agrees with me doesnt make me right...
pg does this all the time (as do many others) and its so small...they wont make a post with thier thoughts they will just post an arficle if it a) supports thier view or b) shines positive on the eagles...pg will then turnaround and say how all the media are devils when they write something she doesnt agree with
basically i dont care that the piece ripped rondo because as incredible as it sounds i still believe hes the best pick for the sixers
Not to speak for FF here but it did seem strange that you'd post a link to an article tha rips your preferred choice, IGY.
I think that's all FF was trying to figure out here. After all, if you look up two posts from his question, he asks the question directly.
I don't know if ripping PhillyGirl here is fair either.
Whatever, though. You're certainly entitled to your opinion on Rajon even if no one else here agrees with it.
its not like i pasted and copied just the part about rondo...i posted an article on every early entry in the entire draft...should i not do it because it says something bad about someone i think they should pick??
i dont get you people at all...why do you care so much what no name internet writers have to say
again like a lot of yous i dont post othere peoples articles to try to make me more right
sixers have a .6% chance of winning tonight.
is it true the only spots they can get is top 3....13 or 14
thats what i read too, but i don't understand the logic behind that.
i dont get it either...every team should potentially be able to end up with any pick
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 23, 2006, 08:59:53 AM
is it true the only spots they can get is top 3....13 or 14
yes.
the lottery only determines picks 1-3....after that, it goes by record. the sixers either jump up to 1-3...stay right where they are at #13...or have a team with a better record jump ahead of them to 1-3, thereby pushing the sixers back to pick #14.
i never knew that, i always just thought they picked in order. kinda dumb.
i know...im saying why do they do that...its a joke...they might as well just have the true order at that point
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 23, 2006, 09:19:28 AM
i know...im saying why do they do that...its a joke...they might as well just have the true order at that point
they're just trying to prevent teams from tanking it to get the 1st pick....teams still tank it (like the cavs did for the lebron draft) but there's no 100% guarantee of the #1 pick for the team with the worst record.
i know the lottery used to determine all the lottery picks, not just 1-3...but they changed that a few years back. i don't remember why.
Quote from: hunt on May 23, 2006, 09:24:52 AM
i know the lottery used to determine all the lottery picks, not just 1-3...but they changed that a few years back. i don't remember why.
I don't remember which team it was but someone with the worst record ended up going from a potential #1 pick to like 9th or something. There was an uproar over it so they changed it the next year.
It was right around the time that Orlando won the Shaquille O'Neal lottery.
Ironically, Orlando came back the next year and won the lottery again despite having almost no chance of doing so.
Man, what a team that could have been... O'Neal, Webber, Horace Grant, Nick Anderson, Dennis Scott... sheesh.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on May 23, 2006, 09:57:45 AM
Quote from: hunt on May 23, 2006, 09:24:52 AM
i know the lottery used to determine all the lottery picks, not just 1-3...but they changed that a few years back. i don't remember why.
I don't remember which team it was but someone with the worst record ended up going from a potential #1 pick to like 9th or something. There was an uproar over it so they changed it the next year.
It was right around the time that Orlando won the Shaquille O'Neal lottery.
Ironically, Orlando came back the next year and won the lottery again despite having almost no chance of doing so.
Man, what a team that could have been... O'Neal, Webber, Horace Grant, Nick Anderson, Dennis Scott... sheesh.
take it to the magic offseason thread, mickey mouse!
:o :'(
I don't remember if the old system (11 balls for the worst team, 10 balls for the 2nd-worst team, etc., down to 1 ball for the best non-playoff team) determined all 11 spots. I thought that one only did the top three as well. The outcry was over the 11-71 Mavericks falling to 4th, the 19-63 T'Wolves falling to 5th and the 22-60 Bullets falling to 6th while the 41-41 Magic had one ball in the lottery and ended up winning the thing, like Rome said, and the 34-48 Warriors ended up 3rd, so they changed to the heavily-weighted system in 1994...
The outcry was over the 11-71 Mavericks falling to 4th, the 19-63 T'Wolves falling to 5th and the 22-60 Bullets falling to 6th while the 41-41 Magic had one ball in the lottery and ended up winning the thing, like Rome said, and the 34-48 Warriors ended up 3rd, so they changed to the heavily-weighted system in 1994...
i understand this concern...but my thing is if you dont like the results of a lottery then dont have one
QuoteThe NBA Draft Lottery is an annual event selecting the top three picks of the following NBA Draft. First established in 1985, it was at first a chance drawing for all first-round picks, with all non-playoff teams (in 1985 there were seven non-playoff teams in the National Basketball Association) having equal chance of landing the number one pick. The New York Knicks won the lottery in 1985 and made Patrick Ewing the number one pick.
Some in the NBA were concerned about results when the worst team, the Golden State Warriors, drew the seventh and final lottery draft position. Also, controversy over the envelope of the New York Knicks also developed.
In 1986, many lottery teams had traded their first-round draft picks, and as a result, the top two teams in the Draft Lottery were playoff teams, with the eventual NBA champion Boston Celtics picking second, a pick (the late Len Bias) which would eventually haunt the franchise. The Philadelphia 76ers, who won the lottery on the draw from a trade with the then-San Diego Clippers in the late 1970s where the Clippers picked up Joe Bryant in return for the 1986 first-round pick, traded it to Cleveland afterwards.
Thus began a rule change beginning in 1987 when only the top three picks would be selected by the traditional lottery, again with the same policy.
In 1990, however, the NBA changed the format of the lottery to give the worst team the most chances of landing the top pick. For the 11 non-playoff teams that season, the team with the worst record would have 11 chances, the second worse would have 10, etc. However, the Orlando Magic defied the odds by gaining two number one picks consecutively, despite the fact that they were the best non-playoff team the second year.
Thus, beginning with the 1995 lottery the chances were weighed even more, so that the best non-playoff team would only have a slim (0.5%) chance of receiving the top pick.
Thus, the term "lottery pick" in the NBA usually denotes a pick in the first fourteen and developed the reference of "lottery" to non-playoff teams in any sport.
anyway, here are the complete odds for this year's lottery:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_Draft_Lottery
do you like speculation from a guy on another board, who got it from another board, who got it from an "insider"? if so, this is for you...
QuoteHey Rex, how are you ? well I hope. Since I can no longer post on the
board, but I still like you, and alot of others there, I thought I
might
pass on some insider news for you to tell everyone to keep an eye on.
Yesterday I talked to one of my friends at the L.A.Daily News and he
said as it goes to the 76ers, that he said yes, the Ivy to Atlanta deal
is very Hot. The only hold up right now is that Philly wants not only
the Hawks 1st rounder in this draft, but their one in 2008 along with a
re-signed Harrington. He also said that there is huge talk between the
Sixers and Seattle, in which Seattle has offered up Ray Allen, and
another player to match salaries for Chris Webber AND Iggy. The point
being that Seattle wants Webber's contract which expiores way earlier
than Allen's does, and a young potential star in Iggy. No idea who the
other player from Seattle is though. Would love you to ask Kevin to
check into this one cause, I really don't want to see Iggy go anywhere.
looking at salaries, it could be any of the following:
danny fortson...most likely, imo.
earl watson...not really a need if sixers have an a1/allen backcourt.
rashard lewis...doubt it would be him but would be a steal for the sixers if it is.
and possibly chris wilcox in a sign & trade.
any deal that could land us ray allen and get rid of webber at the same time is great for the sixers. regardless of who else is involved. even igoudala, who i would like to keep. getting fortson wouldn't be that bad. he's getting old but is still a great rebounder with some toughness, unlike chrissy.
id love to get wilcox...he blew up once seattle gave him real minutes...but i cant imagine they dont sign him long term
yeah...fortson was recently voted the dirtiest player in the nba. the sixers could definitely use a guy like that.
Who would be on your short list of players to look at?
-Marcus Williams
-Rodney Carney
-Mardy Collins
-Shelden Williams
-Ronnie Brewer
I really dont know. It really depends if we get lucky and get the 3rd pick, or have to be at 13 or 14.
i want marcus williams. but he won't be there when we pick.
I like all those names except Shelden Williams. No dookies for me.
Marcus Williams would be a good fit only if AI is traded. I mentioned him somewhere in this topic.
I really would like Ronnie Brewer though.
Marcus Williams would be a good fit only if AI is traded. I mentioned him somewhere in this topic.
iverson has no bearing whatsoever on this years pick...and he shouldnt
LOL. Ray Allen for a gimpy, played-out Webber & a raw Iggy = highway robbery for the Sixers.
No way that happens.
If Atlanta trades 2 #1's & Al Harrington for Iverson, there should be an investigation by the league.
I'd love it but again, it would would be highway robbery.
He does and will.
They aren't going to draft a PG if AI is still here. They'll draft any position but PG. This is the NBA not the NFL. Rookies play right away in this league. You aren't going to draft someone that will play 5 minutes per game for the next 2/3 years until AI is gone with the 13th overall pick.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on May 23, 2006, 03:24:20 PM
LOL. Ray Allen for a gimpy, played-out Webber & a raw Iggy = highway robbery for the Sixers.
No way that happens.
If Atlanta trades 2 #1's & Al Harrington for Iverson, there should be an investigation by the league.
I'd love it but again, it would would be highway robbery.
The first trade sucks for the Sixers. This team is in rebuilding mode. You can't get rid of Iguodala for an old Ray Allen. No way. I don't care if it gets you rid of Webber. Plus I don't even think the salaries match up within 25%.
LOL. Ray Allen for a gimpy, played-out Webber & a raw Iggy = highway robbery for the Sixers.
no
allen is way overpaid for a glorified three point shooter...hes got maybe the best stroke in the league but doesnt do a single other thing on the court to help your team win...plus hes 31
as much as i despise webber with all my heart i dont do that trade
the harrington trade on the other hand i do yesterday
This is the NBA not the NFL. Rookies play right away in this league
this is one of the dumbest things youve ever said and your entire post as with most of your drivel is so flawed its not even funny
i rarely if ever call people names on message boards but youre truly an idiot who if there was an ignore list on this site youd be on it and be #1 with a bullet
You have nothing to dispute me. You think if the Sixers keep AI who plays 45+ minutes a night they are going to draft Marcus Williams? :-D
If so, you really don't have a clue.
dont respond to me anymore
You responded to me, fool.
Don't respond to me if you aren't even going to attempt to make an argument. Which is usually because you don't have one.
Unless you think a Marcus Williams and AI backcourt would be an effective one, which is also laughable.
Come back when you actually have an argument to bring to the table. That is if you are intelligent enough to come up with one other than "idiot".
don't address IGY anymore, you've been warned
"Philly Forever" aka "The Thing" aka "Bunkley78":
There are zero people on this board that respect your opinion more than IGY's... ever.
Needless to say, that's not something to be proud of.
I do, so that's one.
not quite...retards only count as 46% of a real person
so, in conclusion, you do, so that's almost one
.46 is .5 rounded up is 1... ONE WHOLE PERSON. 8)
Quote from: Bunkley78 on May 23, 2006, 03:55:37 PM
.46 is .5 rounded up is 1... ONE WHOLE PERSON. 8)
Flawless logic. I'm going to knock you down to 44% of a person for that.
i really don't see what iverson's situation has to do with drafting a PG either. drafting someone like williams or rondo has no effect on iverson's minutes. look at the last time the sixers went to the finals, they had a pass first guard with no jump shot in Snow and that semed to work out fine.
not just that but these kids are gonna take years to fully develop...none of them should be coming in and starting right away...iverson wont be on the sixers when one of these guys becomes the every day point guard
but even if they do start in 06 iverson moves to the two
this isnt about how good the team will be or who will mesh with who at certain positions...because they are gonna be real bad for the forseeable future regardless...its about adding talent at any and all positions and a good start imo would be to get the point guard of the future...tho they should not be picky and must take the best player available when they pick
Drafting a PG has no effect on AI's minutes, but AI's minutes have plenty of effect on a player like Williams.
If Williams was a 6'5 PG it would be different, but he's not. You can't have him and AI in the backcourt at the same time, so that means Williams comes in to sub for AI, when AI comes out. Which if you haven't noticed is practically never.
You can say Williams could be drafted to be our future PG for when AI leaves, but the longer AI stays here without being traded the harder it is to get rid of him. His salary increases and he gets older and older, making him harder to trade.
So conceivably, Marcus Williams who is arguably one of the most NBA ready players in the draft, if not the most ready, would be sitting on the Sixers bench averaging about 10 minutes per game for his first 2/3 years until AI finally departs with the Sixers. What a waste of the early part of his career. Marcus Williams is a guy who when drafted should come in and start for your team right away. If not his rookie year then definitely his sophmore year.
It's different with the Sixers though, because since AI hardly comes out of the game, he'd hardly get any minutes. On any other team, Marcus Williams could get a good 25 minutes per game in his rookie season as a PG, even if they have a star PG already. Not here he wouldn't.
I think if AI stays, the Sixers will look to upgrade the 2,3 or 4 depending on who is the best available at those positions. The reason being, if AI stays, it tells you Billy King is still thinking win now, which means you address the biggest need available at the spot you are drafting. Or is Marcus Williams is drafted with AI still being on the team it tells me that AI is most likely gone this summer or next summer at the latest. Though, if you want to trade AI, IMO you have to do it now, because he'll be that much harder to trade next offseason.
I'd rather have Ray Allen & Allen Iverson on the court at the same time than Iverson, Webber & Iggy.
I don't see how that trade scenario puts the Sixers at a disadvantage. Allen is a pure shooter and the Sixers need a pure shooter desperately. They need one far more than they need a played-out chump like Webber.
Iggy would be a loss, but let's face facts here... he regressed terribly this season. Does anyone really see him becoming a star player at this point? Because if so, you're seeing something in him that I'm not.
Nah... I'd do the Allen for Webber & Iggy deal in a second and if they pulled off both deals, I'd be as giddy as Chuggie at a gay porn movie festival.
That Ray Allen deal is only worth thinking about if AI stays. Ray Allen is in his 30's. If you trade AI, then you will be looking to get a lot younger. Build your team around guys in their 20's. Sure you'll have some veterans here and there, but to get Ray Allen you'd have to trade one of your young cornerstones, which makes no sense. By the time a rebuilt Sixers team gets good enough to contend, Ray Allen will be long gone.
So as I see it, the only way you think about it is if AI stays, but AI and Ray Allen aren't winning you anything. The Sixers can't do anything to win a championship in the next 5 years at least. Absolutely nothing. By then Allen would be, what, 36?
Just a bad bad idea IMO.
Iggy would be a loss, but let's face facts here... he regressed terribly this season. Does anyone really see him becoming a star player at this point?
will he become a star i dont know...but i definitely think he still has star potential...and in three or four years when ray allen is out of the league i dont want to see a 26 year iggy runnin as a superstar or even a very good player in seattle
and who cares if he can shoot and the sixers need a shooter...ray allen is not making the sixers any better...what needs to be realized by everyone here is that the sixers are not going to be competitive for at least four years...so what they need to do is collect talented young guys like iguodala not collect over paid 31 uyear olds like ray allen...if youre going to do that then just keep iverson and webber until thier contracts run out
Quote from: BigEd76 on May 23, 2006, 10:24:39 AM
I don't remember if the old system (11 balls for the worst team, 10 balls for the 2nd-worst team, etc., down to 1 ball for the best non-playoff team) determined all 11 spots. I thought that one only did the top three as well. The outcry was over the 11-71 Mavericks falling to 4th, the 19-63 T'Wolves falling to 5th and the 22-60 Bullets falling to 6th while the 41-41 Magic had one ball in the lottery and ended up winning the thing, like Rome said, and the 34-48 Warriors ended up 3rd, so they changed to the heavily-weighted system in 1994...
it is a
lotterywhiney bitches
I don't think Iguodala necessarily regressed. His jump shot got better, but defensively, yes he probably has regressed. The cause could've been many things. Sophmore ego, lack of focus, or just him going up against the opponent's best offensive player every night. That wears on you. He's the only real defensive player on the team, he needs help.
He needs to take it to the rim more. He has the athleticism to do so.
Allen signed a five year, 80 million dollar contract in 2005 so the numbers would work if he got dealt for Iggy & Webber.
As far as him not improving the Sixers, I completely disagree there. Iverson would finally have a guy who is capable of taking the pressure off him of throwing up 25 shots a nite for the Sixers to compete.
I'm not saying that other moves wouldn't be required to make the Sixers a competitive team in the East but saying that Allen wouldn't make them better is incorrect in my estimation.
As for Iggy, I think you guys are way over-valuing him. I don't think he'll ever amount to more than a 6th player type contributor in the league and even though he's a lot younger than Ray Allen, I don't see how that makes any difference when we're talking about the next 4 years. Both players would be playing during those four years and Allen dwarfs Iggy in terms of talent and production. As I see it, it's a no-lose proposition.
Quote from: Bunkley78 on May 23, 2006, 05:14:01 PM
I don't think Iguodala necessarily regressed. His jump shot got better, but defensively, yes he probably has regressed. The cause could've been many things. Sophmore ego, lack of focus, or just him going up against the opponent's best offensive player every night. That wears on you. He's the only real defensive player on the team, he needs help.
He needs to take it to the rim more. He has the athleticism to do so.
Dude, stop it.
Iggy was a glaring disappointment last season. GLARING.
Quote from: Bunkley78 on May 23, 2006, 05:14:01 PM
I don't think Iguodala necessarily regressed. but defensively, yes he probably has regressed.
Of course he was. Not because he regressed, but because he didn't improve his game as much as people expected.
His jump shot got a little bit better, but he pretty much stayed the same. That's why he was disappointing. Everyone expected him to blow up in his second season. He didn't. He's stil afraid to shoot the ball and take it inside.
Quote from: phattymatty on May 23, 2006, 05:22:49 PM
Quote from: Bunkley78 on May 23, 2006, 05:14:01 PM
I don't think Iguodala necessarily regressed. but defensively, yes he probably has regressed.
Defensive is only one aspect of your game. We are talking about his game as a whole.
BTW: I will admit that "regressed" was a poor choice of words. To suggest that he fell off the charts is wrong.
He certainly didn't make any progression, though, and certainly not the type that was expected of him after his rookie season.
He still deserves more time. He's still very young and raw. He deserves at least 5 seasons to really blossom into a stud. He didn't stay 4 years in college, so he's not as polished as some other college players.
Quote from: Bunkley78 on May 23, 2006, 05:28:03 PM
He still deserves more time. He's still very young and raw. He deserves at least 5 seasons to really blossom into a stud. He didn't stay 4 years in college, so he's not as polished as some other college players.
That's fine. All I'm saying is if the Sixers are trying to improve the team now, then waiting for four years for Iggy to develop doesn't help them in that aim.
I don't think they are trying to improve the team now, because no matter what they do they won't be able to become a title contender. The Sixers just have to hope in 5 years if they become contenders again that the Pistons reign is over.
13th pick.
King continues to suck.
Is there even going to be any players worth a damn at 13?
I don't think he'll ever amount to more than a 6th player type contributor in the league
hes already more than that...hes a solid nba starter now...who only played two years in college and is 22 years old...what do you want...you act like he was the number one overall pick...if you want an example of what he could easily become look at larry hughes...you dont want the sixers making that mistake again...especially for a way overpaid one dimensional old ray allen
the more i think about it, the more i like the atlanta deal...especially if they can get that 2nd #1 pick they're rumored to be asking for.
even if they can't, i'd do harrington, #5 pick, & maybe a throw in like lue for a1...short term, they'd be worse but that might not be a bad thing with greg oden in next year's draft.
the seattle deal is a maybe for me...taking on ray allen's 4 remaining years scares me. c-webb's 20ppg would go to allen but what else would change?
btw, billy king was on comcast this morning & said major changes will be made..."tweaking" the roster is not enough. :yay
CHAD FORD'S MOCK DRAFT
1 Andrea Bargnani 7-0 PF - Toronto
2 Tyrus Thomas 6-9 PF - Chicago
3 Adam Morrison 6-8 SF - Charlotte
4 LaMarcus Aldridge 6-10 PF - Portland
5 Brandon Roy 6-5 SG - Atlanta
6 Rudy Gay 6-9 SF - Minnesota
7 Rajon Rondo 6-2 PG - Boston
8 J.J. Redick 6-4 SG - Houston
9 Randy Foye 6-4 SG - Golden State
10 Shelden Williams 6-9 PF - Seattle
11 Ronnie Brewer 6-7 SG - Orlando
12 Patrick O'Bryant 7-0 C - NO/Oklahoma City
13 Marcus Williams 6-3 PG - Philadelphia
14 Hilton Armstrong 6-11 C - Utah
15 Rodney Carney 6-7 SF - NO/Oklahoma City
16 Mardy Collins 6-6 PG - Chicago
17 Cedric Simmons 6-9 PF - Indiana
18 Tiago Splitter 7-0 PF - Washington
19 Guillermo Diaz 6-3 SG - Sacramento
20 Shawne Williams 6-9 SF - New York
21 Mouhamed Saer Sene 7-0 C - Phoenix
22 Kyle Lowry 6-0 PG - New Jersey
23 Alexander Johnson 6-10 PF - New Jersey
24 Aaron Gray 7-0 C - Memphis
25 Jordan Farmar 6-2 PG - Cleveland
26 Shannon Brown 6-3 SG - LA Lakers
27 Quincy Douby 6-3 SG - Phoenix
28 Marcus Vinicius 6-9 SF - Dallas
29 Maurice Ager 6-5 SG - New York
30 Olexsiy Pecherov 6-11 PF - Portland
Marcus Williams is no Rajon Rando, that's for sure.
who is tho...not really fair to put that on the kid williams
if JJ Redick gets taken in the top 15 i'll laugh my ass off.
that would be hot, i think williams is the best pick for the sixers right now. however, i don't see him lasting until 13.
and i wouldn't be surprised at all if the raptors wasted a #1 on an italian seven footer
do the atl trade...then take bpa at #5 (aldridge, gay, roy,) & a pg at #13 (williams or igy's boy rondo).
roy and williams or rondo would be a nice backcourt of the future...that scenario would almost be to good to be true
id then use the exceptions to sign a rebounder and or defender
biggest bust of this years draft is gonna be that nancy patrick o'bryant
I wish we had a shot at Aldridge or Roy...
hi
fwiw some guy i know who was at the chicago camp just told me that rondo tore it up and was the best player there
MARDY MOTHA fargIN COLLINS
Marcus Williams is the best pick if he's there, but if the Sixers keep AI, they should look to draft a 2 guard a 3 or a 4. If you draft a 4 then you have to deal Webber if you can unload him.
AI being traded is probably 50/50 at this point. If Roy is still there at 5 I'd offer AI for Harrington and 2 firsts. Then you take Roy at 5, Marcus Williams at 13 if he's there and you have a starting lineup of:
Williams
Roy
Harrington
Webber
Dalembert
The reason I chose that lineup is because ideally, Harrington is a 3, not a 4. Then you try to deal Webber for a defensive 4 that can rebound, and you got yourself a team to build around.
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 24, 2006, 08:06:58 AM
I don't think he'll ever amount to more than a 6th player type contributor in the league
hes already more than that...hes a solid nba starter now...who only played two years in college and is 22 years old...what do you want...you act like he was the number one overall pick...if you want an example of what he could easily become look at larry hughes...you dont want the sixers making that mistake again...especially for a way overpaid one dimensional old ray allen
Overpaid and one-dimensional? Come on, man. The guy averaged over 25 a game last year plus he led the league in 3-point shots made. He's also a decent defensive player and he's only 30 g/d years old. It's not like he's 35 years old or something.
He's what the Sixers need, IMO. Plus, any deal that sends Chris Webber packing works for me, especially if they're getting an All-Star in return for him.
As for Iguadala, there's a chance he could become something in the league, but a star? Come on. That isn't gonna happen and you know it. And when I said "nothing more than a sixth man type" that wasn't an insult nor was I disparaging him in any way. There are plenty of players who are "sixth man types" who are extremely valuable contributors around the league more so than the starters who play in front of them.
Overpaid and one-dimensional? Come on, man. The guy averaged over 25 a game last year plus he led the league in 3-point shots made. He's also a decent defensive player and he's only 30 g/d years old. It's not like he's 35 years old or something.
hes not a good defender...hes a GREAT shooter probably the best in the nba but thats all he does...hes a much better shooting kyle korver...and he has a ridiculous contract for a player like that...why you think seattle hs been trying to deal him
hell be 31 when the season starts...not exactly an old man but in four years when hes retiring iguodala will be coming into his own...if the sixers were missing a shooter as a piece to their nba championship puzzle then maybe you do something like this...but in the position they are in...a rebuilding mode...no way you give up a young potentially great player for a 31 year old
As for Iguadala, there's a chance he could become something in the league, but a star? Come on.
there as much chance hell be a star as a bust..more than likely hell be in between those two...like i said a larry hughes...remember larry hughes for that chain smoking eurotrashed turnstyle toni kukoc....i dont want that happening again...and in four years when allen is finished we will be where we are now with hughes and kukoc
There are plenty of players who are "sixth man types"
again iggy is already better than a sixth man.....and hes only 22...you might wanna give him another few years before annointing him a 6th man or giving him away for ray allen....getting him out of the black hole that is iverson will help determine what he truly is as well...id like to see him become a focal point before i just get rid of him
Nothing says "sixth man" like 164 starts in 164 games in a 2-year NBA career....
If he would just drive the ball sometimes, and learn to finish, he'd be fine. He'll never be a pure shooter, but you can develop jump shots. Ron Artest's shot has much improved since he's come into the league.
Ray Allen might be more valuable to other teams than he is to the Sixers, but I guarantee at least 25 NBA GM's would take Iguodala over him if they had to choose... including Seattle and Philadelphia.
rebuilding for the sixers--no Ray Allen. Its common logic. You dont rebuild around 30+ year old players. you take a young superstar and focus on future 1st rounders. Hell, if there is any chance to get Greg Oden, we have our next Amare Stoudamire, no question.
Iggy is a tough analysis, based on the fact that when 2 of your stars in Webber and Iverson predominantly have the ball in their hands the majority of the plays called, its tough to get your points and get involved. They need more plays where Iggy is in motion, rather having him plant on the wing waiting for the play to develop and Iverson holding the ball for 20 out of the 24 seconds. Now, make him one of your focal points, he's proven he can put up 20+ and fill every stat category. He just need to develop consistency. I think once one of those jokers are off the team, he'll develop some bigtime confidence and take the game into his hands more. He has the athleticism to do it, he just needs to be able to create his own shots better, work on his jumper, and in time he will no doubt be able to do that
two round mock
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/basketball/nba/05/24/mock.draft1/index.html?cnn=yes
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 24, 2006, 05:05:21 PM
two round mock
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/basketball/nba/05/24/mock.draft1/index.html?cnn=yes
They have your boy going #33. How does that make you feel?
i feel as tho the sixers taking him will be a REACH
or will it be a VALUE pick since the other mock has him going 8th
things that make you go hmmmmm
that chucklehead jasner (who acts like it's his job to hide information instead of share it) was on dnl and said he doesn't think a1 will be the 1st sixer traded...hinted it would be sammy.
Good, Sammy sucks.
nbadraft.net has rondo joining kobe at pick #26.
http://www.nbadraft.net/
hunt, best news to tell me today. Thank you very much. He needs to produce 5 fouls in 5 minutes on another team
According to HoopsHype, Shawne Williams has a workout scheduled with the Sixers on May 31...
(Marcus = UConn PG, Shelden = Duke PF, Shawne = Memphis PF, Justin = Wyoming PF)
Mock list so far:
Mardy Collins = CNNSI, NBADraft.net, CollegeHoops.net
Sergio Rodriguez = HoopsHype, DraftExpress
Marcus Williams = ESPN.com (Chad Ford), InsideHoops
Shawne Williams = ESPN.com (Andy Katz)
If we get Mardy, even though we need better, I'll flip. Flip happy flips of joy.
from chad ford's blog:
QuoteThe Hawks could also be in the Samuel Dalembert running this summer. They seriously considered making him an offer last summer but were fearful the Sixers would match.
Sixers GM Billy King told me on Tuesday it was unlikely he'd be willing to trade Allen Iverson to Atlanta, but Dalembert might be another story. Al Harrington, via sign and trade, could be the bait.
harrington for dalembert = steal
i didn't read that as unwilling to trade him, just unwilling to trade him to Atlanta. why would that be the case?
i'm not sure.
maybe atl isn't offering what billy wants for a1...anyway, sammy for harrington works for me. then maybe they could shop a1 for a pg or c.
because King has too much respect for AI. If AI gets traded, its going to be to a contender to fullfill AI's long lost hope of title and all that other fairy tale bull$htein
Harrington for Dalembert is a no-brainer for the Sixers-- and I think they would do it because Zaza Pachulia is the only big man they have, and they were desperate to find someone last year to back him. Although, now Zaza would become the backup--it works
yep...and atl will lose harrington no matter what so they'd at least like to get something for him.
I would do that Sammy for Al deal as well.
I don't even know who I want to see them draft. This draft is craptastic.
Maybe if they trade Allen they'll be the worst team in the league and get Greg Oden next year.
Maybe if they trade Allen they'll be the worst team in the league and get Greg Oden next year
that didnt work for Portland
i wish there was a way to get Allen Ray and Ray Allen.
a comma will bring you both
Quote from: Wingspan on May 25, 2006, 05:01:06 PM
i wish there was a way to get Allen Ray and Ray Allen.
word up diggity dawg d00d
I'd definitely deal Sammy for Harrington. What a steal what would be. If you do that, and you can deal Webber, then I think it might be better to keep AI. You'd have a pretty good team with AI, Iguodala, Harrington, and Green, plus whoever we get at 13.
Quote from: FFatPatt on May 25, 2006, 05:32:36 PM
Quote from: Wingspan on May 25, 2006, 05:01:06 PM
i wish there was a way to get Allen Ray and Ray Allen.
word up diggity dawg d00d
Wow... that was painful. :-D
You'd have a pretty good team with AI, Iguodala, Harrington, and Green, plus whoever we get at 13.
first off, there is nobody at 13 in this draft that is coming in here and making an impact 1st year. secondly, that team you just listed above made it a complete wash with the sub of Harrington for Webber. Now your back to square one again or worse. Your boy has to go to get multiple players or future picks
Quote from: reese125 on May 25, 2006, 07:18:58 PM
You'd have a pretty good team with AI, Iguodala, Harrington, and Green, plus whoever we get at 13.
first off, there is nobody at 13 in this draft that is coming in here and making an impact 1st year. secondly, that team you just listed above made it a complete wash with the sub of Harrington for Webber. Now your back to square one again or worse. Your boy has to go to get multiple players or future picks
Someone at 13 will have an impact his first year. No question about it. Whether it's starting or off the bench they'll have an impact.
Secondly, Harrington for Webber isn't a wash. In case you forgot, Webber sucks now and can't do anything, and Harrington is a better player. Unless you haven't watched Harrington play, which is the assumption here.
first off, there is nobody at 13 in this draft that is coming in here and making an impact 1st year
very true...in fact there arent many top five players this year that are going to contribute right away...but...the sixers can get someone at 13 who will be a part of the rebuilding process and become a good nba starter in a few years...which is why position doesnt matter at this point...its all about getting the best player available
The last two #13 picks have been Sebastian Telfair & Sean May.
:P
Kobe and Richard Jefferson were also 13th picks..
Webber sucks now and can't do anything, and Harrington is a better player. Unless you haven't watched Harrington play, which is the assumption here.
Bunkley, as much as you want me to argue here to this ridiculous statement.......please will ya
if youre smart you will do like me and not respond to dook anymore
Quote from: reese125 on May 25, 2006, 10:26:14 PM
Webber sucks now and can't do anything, and Harrington is a better player. Unless you haven't watched Harrington play, which is the assumption here.
Bunkley, as much as you want me to argue here to this ridiculous statement.......please will ya
Ridiculous how? The fact that Webber only shows up 1 in every 5 ames, the fact that he's strictly a jump shooter now who can't even shoot, the fact that he doesn't play defense or the fact that he's slow and lazy?
Don't give me Webber and Harrington are a wash. Not to mention Harrington is only 26 and he's getting better and better each year.
if ignorance is bliss, you must be the happiest person on earth. God bless you
That's what I thought. No argument.
But this little argument(even though you never brought anything to the table) is useless. It doesn't matter if Harrington and Webber are a wash even though Harrington's a better player right now.
Did you even read what I posted? You trade Sammy for Harrington, and then you deal Webber.
Sammy has pretty much contributed nothing to the Sixers this season, so Harrington's a steal. Whatever you get back for Webber is going to bring someone who can contribute, plus you have the 13th overall pick.
The Sixers are clearly a better team after these moves. Still not good enough to contend, but better.
But if you'd like to actually contribute to the debate and maybe explain why you think Webber brings equally as much to the table, then please do. If not, you are just wasting my time. Or you can be a whiny girl like IGY and hide in your corner, because you can't handle the a message board debate.
From the Stepen A article this morning:
"We've got some good young players on this team," King said. "I'm confident we'll get better, that next season will be better than last season. The thing is we have to be committed on the defensive side of the ball. We've got to make that a focus on this team. If we do that then we'll be fine."
Man, if I had a dollar for every time this f-in guy says this.
King is clueless.
Another instance where Ed Snider hired someone who is completely overmatched yet refuses to pull the trigger when it's clearly past time to do so.
So now that we established Harrington for Webber isn't a wash, would anyone here want to keep AI if the Sixers could land Harrington for Dalembert?
Or would you still want to deal AI to get younger?
Harrington would definitely be the best player AI has ever played with(at that current time in their careers), but the team overall still isn't a championship caliber team. I think they'd be back at the playoff level again though.
It's a tough call, what would you do?
Still trade Iverson. Everyone thought the exact same thing when King traded for Webber.
The question is, since the big AI rumor was to Atlanta, if you trade Sammy there, then where do you ship AI?
Do you try for Chicago? I think if Chicago drafts Aldridge, they'll be even more reluctant to deal Gordon, because they'd have a really nice young team that would be good for a long time.
Minnesota has interest, but who do they have? McCants is really the only young guy they have worth getting, but the Sixers would have to get a lot more than McCants for AI. Even adding a first rounder wouldn't be enough to pull the trigger.
Maybe Toronto? They have some nice big men. Maybe Villanueva who had a very good rookie season and a first rounder next year?
I can't root for AI anymore. The team needs to get something for him while he's still worth something, and move on.
Quote from: FFatPatt on May 26, 2006, 03:23:58 PM
I can't root for AI anymore. The team needs to get something for him while he's still worth something, and move on.
I can still root for the guy, but I agree it is time to move him.
nothing changes on this team if they don't trade a1.
Quote from: hunt on May 27, 2006, 07:07:22 AM
nothing changes on this team if they don't trade a1.
HERESY!
BURN HIM!!!! WITCH!!!!11111!
another rumor probably made up by chad ford is sammy to toronto.
raps reportedly interested in sammy or magloire (preferably sammy)...with villanueva & alvin williams the likely trade bait. raps think cv is expendable & plan on drafting his replacement with the #1 pick...most likely bargnani.
Quote from: hunt on May 27, 2006, 11:00:48 AM
another rumor probably made up by chad ford is sammy to toronto.
raps reportedly interested in sammy or magloire (preferably sammy)...with villanueva & alvin williams the likely trade bait. raps think cv is expendable & plan on drafting his replacement with the #1 pick...most likely bargnani.
I'd make that trade simply for the fact that Villanueva sounds alot like Villanova.
We'd make fun of him not having any hair though....
....combined with the Suns' amazing success playing a small-ball style that favors shot-making over boxing out and threes over post-ups, seems to make Kurt Thomas the odd man out.
And so, in keeping with our occasional series that humbly suggests ideas on how to fix the home white, we ask: Should the Sixers pursue Kurt Thomas?
Thomas will be 34 by the time next season begins. He has a screw in his foot. He would not be a long-term solution to the Sixers' woes. On the other hand, he's also not a long-term contract risk, either, with only two years at $7.3 million and $8.09 million remaining on his deal.
He has earned a reputation as one of the league's better low-post defenders and rebounders. Since becoming a full-time starter six years ago, he's never averaged fewer than 7.8 rebounds in a season. And he's increased his offensive repertoire over the years.
With Thomas playing either power forward next to Samuel Dalembert or center next to Chris Webber, the Sixers would have a much different defensive look. Thomas would strengthen their interior defense, leaving Dalembert free to provide weakside shot-blocking, or Webber free to use his still-quick hands to get into passing lanes and create deflections.
If Kyle Korver interested the Suns, he could be dealt in a package after his base-year compensation status expires July 1. (That would make him much easier to trade.) But if the Sixers want to hold on to Korver, they could put together a package featuring rising free-agent swingman John Salmons.
Phoenix has a $6 million trade exception after executing the sign-and-trade with Atlanta that sent Joe Johnson to the Hawks and brought Diaw to Phoenix. If Salmons agreed to a similar sign-and-trade deal but didn't become a base-year player himself (too complicated to explain - don't ask), he could fit into that slot.
The Suns also have two first-round picks (21 and 27), either or both of which could be thrown into the mix for the Sixers' No. 13 selection.
Some think Salmons needs to go elsewhere for his game to blossom.
"John Salmons can play," said an NBA veteran who's gone against him many times the last few years. "Just wait until he gets out of there."
If Salmons turned into a star in Phoenix like Diaw, it would be agonizing. And Thomas may well still be a vital part of the Suns' immediate future. But a numbers crunch is a numbers crunch, and Thomas is strong where the Sixers currently are weak.
Is it a gamble worth considering?
On the NBA |
Is He Worth It?
If the 76ers have their eyes on Kurt Thomas of the Phoenix Suns, here's what they might look forward to:
He has averaged 10.6 points per game for his career, but really he was a role player on some good Knicks teams in the late 1990s before becoming a starter in 2001-02.
In his four seasons as a Knicks starter, and as a starter for more than half of this season with Phoenix, he has scored 12.1 points per game.
Despite missing the last 29 games this season plus the playoffs, Thomas played in all but five games the previous four seasons as a full-time player.
In rebounding, Thomas' 7.6 career per-game average jumped to 8.8 in the last five seasons.
Barf.
Quote from: reese125 on May 31, 2006, 10:50:30 AM
But if the Sixers want to hold on to Korver, they could put together a package featuring rising free-agent swingman John Salmons.
ha
I'd take Kurt Thomas. Nice depth coming off the bench. Do the Suns need more guys like Salmons though?
does anyone else find it strange that Salmons is a top player in the preseason scoring some 20+ points a game where he roams free in motion on offensive sets, but cant do a lick when Iverson steps on the floor? Regardless if its "just" preseason--its a chance to showcase some of your skills. I do agree with the article that Salmons could be a very good "contributor" player, cetainly not great, but in another system where the focus is not on 1 (Iverson) or 2 people. Pop in an always three point threat in Korver--yes, they could package something together
Thomas, even at that age would get significant minutes here based on the system we run and the lack of veteran leadership--hardly just a bench guy--but with that screw--who knows. We desperatley need a post defender because you damn sure know Webbers knees will crumble any day now
This is all ridiculous anyway, but I guess its fun to speculate
Cedric Simmons and Shawne Williams were in town today for workouts. On Saturday, it'll be Mardy Collins, Randy Foye, Maurice Ager and Marcus Vinicius....
Mardy Motherfarging Collins
No to Kurt Thomas.
They should've traded for Reggie Evans from SEA.
Or they should try to get Chris Wilcox.
the doc
http://s10.quicksharing.com/v/4986969/_U.P_Go_Retro_Vol.2_Julius_Erving_KMS.wmv.html
Quote from: hunt on June 03, 2006, 08:24:43 AM
the doc
http://s10.quicksharing.com/v/4986969/_U.P_Go_Retro_Vol.2_Julius_Erving_KMS.wmv.html
Excellent find, hunt. :yay
So who do y'all want in this draft?
I haven't made up my mind yet. TSN has us taking IGY's boy saying he'd play point (obviously) because the Sixers want to move AI off the ball.
Brandon Roy who most likely won't be there. Rudy Gay I'd love as well who isn't going to be there either. If AI's traded I want Marcus Williams, who probably won't be there as well. So sticking to realism here, I'd like Ronnie Brewer. This team needs to get better athletically, and defensively. He brings both, and can take it inside, which Iguodala is afraid to do.
I'd like Ronnie Brewer. This team needs to get better athletically, and defensively. He brings both, and can take it inside, which Iguodala is afraid to do.
I like his size alot, but the problem you have is he is realistically a shooting guard and has a very slow and ulgy release for a shooting guard--that might not be too good with how fast perimeter guard defenders get out there
Rebuilding: I like Cedric Simmons out of NC State because of upside. 6'10/233lb guy who needs to develop his game more inside, but is raw with good athleticism and has a friggin 7'4 wingspan. awesome shot blocker...and this teams needs to build around defense--good way to start around boards and blocks with the departure of Webber and Sammy coming real soon
I wouldnt put it past this team to go for JJ Reddick for scoring purposes if AI departs--and JJ is right there on mocks to get picked in the mid-teens or could go higher. TBH, I really wouldnt mind it offensively because we dont really have anyone that can hit the open jumper consistently--Reddicks a bullseye, but defensively we need big help--I dont know how he'll react at the NBA level on defense. Other than that, like i said, Im not impressed with the PG position or this draft. The top PG's in Rondo, Willams and Foye will be gone so I look for the Sixers to go big
I agree with him lacking a shot, but looking at a lot of guys out of the top 10 it seems almost all of them are strong in one area and very weak in another. If that's the case I think we should just take the player who has the chance of becoming the best NBA player.
I'd take Simmons in a heartbeat if he's there. I gave a slight edge to Brewer because I think his offensive game is a bit better. He can't shoot all that well, but he can get inside. Also Billy said he was looking for a defensive wing player, so I thought Brewer fit the bill.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 03, 2006, 11:12:08 PM
So who do y'all want in this draft?
I haven't made up my mind yet. TSN has us taking IGY's boy saying he'd play point (obviously) because the Sixers want to move AI.
werd. :yay
http://youtube.com/watch?v=-hSn7-58JRA&search=rajon%20rondo
Rondo highlight video, for people who havent seen him play.
completely off topic but ESPN classic has been running NBA finals classic finishes this whole weekend and i just finished watching game 1 of the 2001 NBA FINALS...Sixers vs Lakers...and wow i was just as pumped now as then when i saw that game.
i missed my prom for that game and i dont regret it. IVERSON at his finest!
what pisses me off is that our inept organization has managed to waste the peak/prime of one of the best players in the history of the NBA by signing bad players with bad contracts. the worst part still i think Iverson has played his best ball the past 2 seasons...compared to 2001, his MVP season.
cant we trade the whole team cept Iverson for Garnett?
Sielski chimes in again:
QuoteIf the Dallas Mavericks do beat the Miami Heat in the NBA Finals, consider this:
Jerry Stackhouse, Keith Van Horn, Toni Kukoc, Bruce Bowen, Speedy Claxton and Larry Brown will have contributed to championship-winning teams; Todd MacCulloch will have played in the NBA Finals; Raja Bell and Tim Thomas will have played in the Western Conference finals.
And the Sixers will still be "building around" Allen Iverson.
He didn't mention Big Dog (who did nothing for the Spurs and won a ring anyway), and Kukoc hasn't done anything since 1998....
We all know he's anti-AI, but that little nugget didn't proove anything. It didn't even make any sense.
Quote from: BigEd76 on June 11, 2006, 04:59:15 PM
Sielski chimes in again:
QuoteIf the Dallas Mavericks do beat the Miami Heat in the NBA Finals, consider this:
Jerry Stackhouse, Keith Van Horn, Toni Kukoc, Bruce Bowen, Speedy Claxton and Larry Brown will have contributed to championship-winning teams; Todd MacCulloch will have played in the NBA Finals; Raja Bell and Tim Thomas will have played in the Western Conference finals.
And the Sixers will still be "building around" Allen Iverson.
He didn't mention Big Dog (who did nothing for the Spurs and won a ring anyway), and Kukoc hasn't done anything since 1998....
Keith Van Horn has done nothing in the playoffs and had his best year here, Jerry Stackhouse was at his best when he was a Piston or a Sixer, Raja Bell went to multiple teams before landing in Dallas, and Tim Thomas couldn't find his way onto a court and was finally CUT by the Bulls before playing.
What a stupid bone-headed article.
Quote from: Bunkley78 on June 11, 2006, 06:05:07 PM
Quote from: BigEd76 on June 11, 2006, 04:59:15 PM
Sielski chimes in again:
QuoteIf the Dallas Mavericks do beat the Miami Heat in the NBA Finals, consider this:
Jerry Stackhouse, Keith Van Horn, Toni Kukoc, Bruce Bowen, Speedy Claxton and Larry Brown will have contributed to championship-winning teams; Todd MacCulloch will have played in the NBA Finals; Raja Bell and Tim Thomas will have played in the Western Conference finals.
And the Sixers will still be "building around" Allen Iverson.
He didn't mention Big Dog (who did nothing for the Spurs and won a ring anyway), and Kukoc hasn't done anything since 1998....
Keith Van Horn has done nothing in the playoffs and had his best year here, Jerry Stackhouse was at his best when he was a Piston or a Sixer, Raja Bell went to multiple teams before landing in Dallas, and Tim Thomas couldn't find his way onto a court and was finally CUT by the Bulls before playing.
What a stupid bone-headed article.
You obviously didn't watch much of the playoffs this season.
CSN reported that the NY Times is saying that several teams want Sammy D and he will likely be traded.
Who the hell could want that bucket of crap and his horrible contract?
Actually in the NY Post and from Peter Vescey, so take it FWIW (http://www.nypost.com/sports/trade_show_sports_peter_vecsey.htm)
QuoteAn attempted restructuring of the 76ers also is in broad progress. Confronted with dwindling head counts, a failure to make the playoffs and a murky future, management is committed to rebuilding. In all likelihood, that means Allen Iverson will be sacrificed for reputable youth and numerous first-round draft picks, not a Kenyon Martin-type long-term contract.
The City of Brotherly Love still fervently feels Iverson. Still, more and more of its fans have stopped "paying" homage where it counts, at the gate. At the same time, strictly on account of A.I., the 76ers are the league's second-biggest road draw.
Denver was intensely interested in acquiring Iverson (for the above mentioned package) at trading deadline this past February. Memphis and Atlanta would be foolish not to seize the opportunity and do whatever it takes to tempt the 76ers here and now. Meanwhile, Samuel Dalembert is definite to be relocated. Despite a fairly prohibitive contract, numerous teams continue to find the 7-footer appealing
Vescy is the worst. He's below Eskin. He knows nothing, knows nobody and literally makes up the crap that he reports.
ha....Eskin says Vecsey is usually wrong.
Quote from: BigEd76 on June 11, 2006, 11:59:12 PM
ha....Eskin says Vecsey is usually wrong.
Pot. Kettle. Black.
Dalembert sucks.
umm isnt raja bell on the suns...how did he contribute or play in the finals?
Western Conference finals
Quote from: Magical_Retard on June 11, 2006, 04:11:26 PM
i missed my prom for that game and i dont regret it. IVERSON at his finest!
That may very well be the saddest
and funniest thing I've ever read.
I didnt even go to mine
I for one am shocked.
Yea. I could have gone with some people if I wanted to, but I really didn't want to go. I worked instead.
Yea, I'm really cool.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on June 12, 2006, 04:33:20 PM
Quote from: Magical_Retard on June 11, 2006, 04:11:26 PM
i missed my prom for that game and i dont regret it. IVERSON at his finest!
That may very well be the saddest and funniest thing I've ever read.
watching iverson walk over LUE was worth it.
the girl i was supposed to go with wasnt.
"My relationship with [my players] is very important. But I'm not a player's coach." --Mavs coach Avery Johnson on his successful style with his team
Hey Mo...you hear that?
I wish this was the case with him, but just from his persona--the chances are unlikely he will change his ways. Hes way too nice--and thats not what Philadelphia is about--ha
the other day, some guy on espn named scoop jackson said he has no inside information but he thinks the sixers will trade a1 to the rockets for mcgrady.
sounds like a done deal to me.
so he has no inside information at all but he thinks it will happen.
i believe him.
With a first name like Scoop how could you not believe him.
He doesn't just HAVE the scoop; he IS the scoop!7
Please ban me, I have nothing to contribute..
My god, I see Kenyon Martin type years right there.
McGrady seriously needs surgery on his back. If that is not fully recovered--which takes alot more time than always projected, he will be in the mode of of playing 4 games-sit, take 2 weeks off, 4 games-sit...etc....
back surgery worries me big time, but I probably wont have to worry cause this deal isnt happening
QuoteJ. Williams to work out with Sixers
MIAMI - Jay Williams, the former Duke guard attempting a comeback from a serious motorcycle accident, was scheduled to work out for the 76ers this morning at Philadelphia College of Osteopathic Medicine.
Williams, the No. 2 overall pick by the Chicago Bulls in the 2002 NBA draft, was hurt June 19, 2003, when his cycle went out of control and crashed into a utility pole. He suffered a severed nerve in his left leg, a fractured pelvis and three torn ligaments in his left knee.
He is a free agent after agreeing to a buyout, and was waived Feb. 17, 2004. The buyout was reportedly worth about $3 million; he had 2 years and about $7.7 million remaining on his contract.
A source indicated that Williams was scheduled to work out tomorrow for the New Jersey Nets and Monday for the Boston Celtics. Questions have remained about whether Williams has been able to regain his explosiveness and lateral quickness. He was scheduled to meet yesterday with Sixers president/general manager Billy King.
Predraft workout schedules are, by nature, fluid. King had said he expected Duke's J.J. Redick and Shelden Williams to visit between June 20 and 23. Redick, arrested for driving while intoxicated, canceled workouts with Orlando and Boston, although the reason given - according to an ESPN.com report - was a bad back. King said in an e-mail response that more information would be provided when additional workout times are finalized.
The Boulder (Colo.) Daily Camera reported that 6-6 Colorado guard Richard Roby was scheduled to work out for the Sixers tomorrow. A Sixers spokesman said he was unaware of Roby being on the schedule.
Man, if he can play again and the Sixers signed him it would be nice.
That would be a miracle that'd make Jesus say "Damn!"
Get Jay Williams and Redick. Then put BK on the floor as a player and hire Kriyxzjismncski!
BK's dream lineup:
C = Shavlik Randolph
PF = Laettner
SF = Grant Hill
SG = Redick
PG = Williams
BK could be his own 6th man! Maybe he can lure Quin Snyder from Mizzou to be ass't coach.
Quote from: FFatPatt on June 16, 2006, 09:41:29 AM
BK could be his own 6th man! Maybe he can lure Quin Snyder from Mizzou to be ass't coach.
That's unpossible. Snyder resigned a few months ago.
Beacon Journal (http://www.ohio.com/mld/beaconjournal/sports/14847210.htm)
QuoteRumored for months after Philadelphia media outlets reported the 76ers were investigating fan reaction if they traded Allen Iverson, all signs point to him genuinely being on the trade block. The team refuted those prior reports, but dropping attendance this season sent a message. Now word going through NBA circles is 76ers Chairman Ed Snider recently held a meeting and ordered rebuilding -- including a trade of Iverson.
QuoteSnider: I didn't order trade of Iverson
By PHIL JASNER
jasnerp@phillynews.com
It was a single sentence in an NBA story in yesterday's edition of the Akron (Ohio) Beacon Journal.
It jumped off the page.
It said word around the league was that 76ers chairman Ed Snider recently had held a meeting in which he ordered rebuilding, including a trade of Allen Iverson.
One problem. The vacationing Snider, reached yesterday by telephone by the Daily News, said he never held any such meeting.
"I never had such a meeting," Snider said. "I don't give orders like that. I never have in 45 years of professional sports."
Snider seemed troubled by the premise.
"How can I order a trade?" he said. "[Sixers president/general manager Billy King] has already said we'll do anything we can to make the team better. But I can't order a trade of anybody.
"You can't order a trade. [King] calls the shots. He comes to me to tell me what opportunities we might have. If he comes to me with one, I would consider it. No one wants to be in the middle of the pack. If we can make a spectacular trade, break loose and go to the top the way Miami did with Shaq [Shaquille O'Neal]... But until we have that opportunity, there's no way to demand that opportunity."
well that sucks
anybody know when teams can officially start making trades? only 1 week until the draft so that dope billy king has to move fast.
QuoteSixers look to move up, saying big trade possible
By Joe Juliano
Inquirer Staff Writer
With one week to go until the NBA draft, the 76ers and their brethren throughout the league are feverishly working their cell phones and BlackBerries trying to get themselves in a more advantageous position for the big night.
Although the Sixers are in a good spot at No. 13, president and general manager Billy King wants to move higher and admits that it may take a multiplayer trade to do it.
"We're trying. We're really trying," King said yesterday after watching four more draft prospects work out at the Philadelphia College of Osteopathic Medicine. "We're really talking. I'd like to get another pick higher up. I'll have some conversations, and, hopefully, we can get something done."
Naturally, the more people talk, the more rumors surface. One rumor came Sunday from the Akron Beacon Journal, which reported that Sixers chairman Ed Snider had ordered King to rebuild the team and trade superstar guard Allen Iverson.
King denied the report and said his off-season conversations with Snider had centered on the direction of the team next season.
"We've had a lot of conversation on my thoughts on where I think we need to go," he said. "We talked a lot about just how we want to play. It hasn't been, 'You have to rebuild. You've got to trade this guy.' It's more like, 'Let's make sure that we do something that our fans are going to be proud of.' "
King said he wants the team to adopt an identity, one in which the Sixers will play hard every night and not have to second-guess themselves whenever they lose.
"This has been," he said, "an overall process of really just looking at the whole organization, starting with me, and saying, 'OK, how can we do it better?' Even the year we made the playoffs [2005], I thought we didn't have an identity. I think we've got to get back to where we have an identity."
Rather than have an offensive-minded identity like the Phoenix Suns, King said he wants "a blue-collar team that plays hard and wins games in the trenches." He said it's more a matter of players' adopting a blue-collar mentality as opposed to going out and getting blue-collar types.
King would like to pick up a role player or two, "a veteran player with the right attitude," he said. He reiterated that he erred in letting Aaron McKie and Marc Jackson go in the last off-season without taking on veteran leadership in their place.
Whether the Sixers pick 13th in next Wednesday's draft or not, King wants the best player available, but his evaluation of that player will include whether he will battle on the court.
King indicated that he didn't see too much battling yesterday among the four big men the Sixers brought in for the workout - 6-foot-11 Hilton Armstrong of Connecticut, 7-foot Patrick O'Bryant of Bradley, 7-0 Oleksiy Pecherov of Ukraine, and 6-11 Mouhamed Saer Sene of Senegal.
"I was upset when they were playing two-on-two because they were just letting guys catch the ball," King said. "I said, 'You're trying to earn a spot here. If you want to play for us, you've got to stop guys. You can't just let a guy catch the ball on the block... . You guys are sort of on a vacation here.' "
Notes. Rumors that have center Samuel Dalembert switching addresses were shot down by King. "Absolutely not, I have not given up on Sam," he said... . King said the Sixers' evaluations include Maurice Cheeks' coaching staff, but he did not want "to get into exactly what our thoughts are" about whether a change would be made... . The next workouts are scheduled for Friday. Duke star J.J. Redick may be included, but his teammate Shelden Williams has declined the Sixers' invitation. "He thinks he's got a promise to go before us," King said, adding that while he usually holds such a rejection against the player, he may not with Williams because "I do know the Duke guy a little better." King also played at Duke for Mike Krzyzewski... . The 76ers' dance team will hold open auditions for the 2006-07 season Saturday at the Philadelphia College of Osteopathic Medicine. Applicants must have been at least 18 years old on June 1, 2006.
Notes. Rumors that have center Samuel Dalembert switching addresses were shot down by King. "Absolutely not, I have not given up on Sam," he said.
One question Billy Boy: why havent you?
dalembert will be fine
you dont give away young athletic big men like that...there arent to many around
sure you do guy, you package those kind of athletic big men and you get surrounding talent of multiple positions to better your team. He hurts the team in so many directions regardless of his abilities, that he is expendable.
I know King has made alot of mistakes letting players go and them becoming good players, but this is a case where he needs to let go. How long to you hold onto a guy that just doesnt have a basketball IQ? Its a crying shame
I'd trade Sammy before the Sixers lose the chance to. This is their last shot. Maybe they can do something and get a decent player or pick in return for him.
I'm pretty convinced now that Sammy will never amount to anything, but we just have to hope another NBA GM believes differently.
Sammy reminds me a lot like a guy named Keon Clark and we know how he turned out, I agree get rid of him now before it is too late. The Sixers need to blow up there roster and start rebuilding. I don't think any player should be safe, accept maybe Iggy.
trade webber and dalembert for garnett.
simple.
a lil too simple.
Eh... ok, then we can throw in Louis Williams to seal the deal...
consensus mock has the sixers taking brewer
http://www.nba.com/draft2006/consensus.html
Sammy reminds me a lot like a guy named Keon Clark and we know how he turned out,
its funny you wrote that Drunkmaster. I had writtten Clark out along with Dan Gadzuric as comparable players-- then erased it because I figured I would give Sammy the benefit of the doubt, being he can post some stellar numbers on a string of nights. and avg close to a double double
Keon had 1 good year in 01
Idea being thrown around: AI to Golden State for Baron Davis, Andris Biedrins and #9 overall...
thrown around by who?
and that would actually be a good trade.
AI to Golden State for Baron Davis, Andris Biedrins and #9 overall...
it basically would be ai for the #9 pick and an admittance that youre starting over...which would be fine
not only is ai>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>davis but davis is finished in this league.....he hasnt played a full season in like five years...i fully expect him to retire in the next three years
Quote from: BigEd76 on June 22, 2006, 01:42:21 PM
Idea being thrown around: AI to Golden State for Baron Davis, Andris Biedrins and #9 overall...
Awful deal. Biedrins stinks, whoever is available at #9 won't be any better than who is available at #13, and Baron Davis is injured and beat up.
That could go down as one of the worst trades in Sixers history. If you trade AI you better get a young talented player and a top 5 pick. Especially in this draft, since it sucks outside of the top 7 or so.
your coming along Bunkley....your coming along
ok fine give them the whole team besides iverson and ai jr for garnett!
they have to bite!
So we'd be getting the guy who many though they were going to take in the Iggy draft? Biedrins?
I am not a Baron Davis fan at all.
And I heard on the radio tonight on the way home that Billy is saying that he is trying to get another lottery pick?
Why? Is there really someone worth getting another pick for? This draft, IMO, is weak.
I don't even know who I want them to take yet.
If the Sixers get the #5 from Atlanta, Roy who is the best player in the draft will probably be there. That would be unreal if we could get Roy.
I can't believe that Toronto isn't showing interest. It doesn't make sense to me. They need help in the backcourt and have plenty of frontcourt depth, yet they want Aldridge or Bargnani? What happened to Bosh and Villanueva?
Anyway, if Toronto passes on Roy it helps the Sixers if the Sixers deal AI to atlanta.
Quote-Expect the Suns to find themselves in the teens on draft
night, as high up as 13. The Sixers are supposedly willing to
move down in the draft in return for the #21 and #27 picks,
although the Sixers are somehow hoping to squeeze Leandro
Barbosa into the deal in place of the #21 pick.
Its all a ploy on Toronto's part
the best overall player is Morrison and dont be surprised if Toronto shakes things up and grabs him. all these guys can shoot in college, but what happens when you have a serious hand in your face? Morrison can shoot anytime he wants over anyone
I think King pushes to try and get Foye--all pending if he gets rid of AI of course
although the Sixers are somehow hoping to squeeze Leandro
Barbosa into the deal in place of the #21 pick.
He is a player I like alot and has progressively gotten better and better. He is the Suns quickest player and can penetrate the lane at will.
I mean, I love getting a PG...now just get someone that can shoot an outside shot when the ball is dished to them
Roy is better than Morrison. Roy can actually play some defense, when Morrison has insanely slow foot speed.
Roy translates into an NBA player better as well.
couldnt disagree with you more guy. Morrison will be a legit 20 ppg scorer very soon in the NBA. Cant say that about alot of guys in this draft or currently in the NBA.
That kind of foot speed you speak of can be worked on big time at the next level, and he will improve each year
Morrison will be a legit 20 ppg scorer very soon in the NBA. Cant say that about alot of guys in this draft or currently in the NBA.
you couldnt be more wrong....a player who cant create his own shot isnt sniffin 20 pts in this league
morrison will be a solid pro...maybe a 15-18 pt guy but thats it
cant create his own shots...what the?
He creates his own shots better than anyone in the country. Getting shots off with contact, curling off screens--his best asset, and his ability to create spacing is what he does best.
Congrats...you just pulled a Bunkley on that statement.
the ncaa isnt the nba
IG's, read some scouting reports on your boy. "All" of his assests will transpire him into an awesome pro...and his shot is going to what--get worse? No.
ill make my own opinion from watching him...i could care less what a scout says...but if thats who you follow....more power to you
Im saying that because your statement sounded like you've never seen him and analyzed his play. Though Im not a scout, I know what kind of skills he has. Creating his own shot is a dead given
IGY thinks he won't be good solely for one reason, because he is white. He hates his own race, he probably thinks Steve Nash is overrated.
steve nash is a gawd
adam morrison is not
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 25, 2006, 12:22:08 AM
steve nash is a gawd
adam morrison is not
My comparison is that they are white and you hate white people. :D
bad comparison
you shouldnt judge players by the color of their skin...its makes you look foolish
Quote(Update: 12:55) Another trade rumor that is making the rounds
involves New Jersey and Philadelphia. The simple version of
this trade would have the Sixers sending the #13 pick in the
draft to New Jersey in return for the #22 and #23 picks. The
Nets would almost certainly be looking to upgrade their
frontline, with any of Shelden Williams, Cedric Simmons,
Patrick O'Bryant or Hilton Armstrong being feasible options.
Philadelphia would likely be looking whoever is left on the
board at that point, with players like Maurice Ager, Quincy
Douby, Shawne Williams, Mardy Collins or Shannon Brown being
the most likely targets
Trades with the Nets are so much fun because it helps a division rival get better :yay
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 25, 2006, 12:53:42 AM
bad comparison
you shouldnt judge players by the color of their skin...its makes you look foolish
linebacker's ... dook
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 25, 2006, 12:53:42 AM
bad comparison
you shouldnt judge players by the color of their skin...its makes you look foolish
:-D
QuoteSource: Sixers talk to Celts about A.I.
A source within the league said the Sixers have spoken to the Boston Celtics, checking to see whether the Celtics have interest in Allen Iverson.
That would fit the profile of Sixers president/general manager Billy King's statements about "trying hard" to make a trade; there were no details available, nor does it seem likely that anything will come of it.
csn reported a different version of the a1 to golden state rumor.
a1 & #13
for
j-rich, troy murphy, & #9
and i like the celtics rumor...i'd finally be able to unleash my hate for a1 if he were on the stinkin celtics.
Quote from: SunMoTzu on June 26, 2006, 08:43:22 AM
QuoteSource: Sixers talk to Celts about A.I.
A source within the league said the Sixers have spoken to the Boston Celtics, checking to see whether the Celtics have interest in Allen Iverson.
That would fit the profile of Sixers president/general manager Billy King's statements about "trying hard" to make a trade; there were no details available, nor does it seem likely that anything will come of it.
QuoteBut the big deal floating around is Iverson to the Boston Celtics, Boozer to the 76ers and Szczerbiak to the Utah Jazz. Of course, more parts have to be included, though I couldn't see the 76ers dealing Iverson within their division, even if divisions are almost meaningless. Perhaps they cannot find a Western Conference trading partner.
boozer. :boo
AI for Pierce and Dickau works under the cap according to RealGM
All of these projections are ridiculous. I havent heard one solid one yet that makes sense for both sides.
the GS one is a no-brainer for the Sixers (2 studs and a pick for Iverson), but hardly probable cause your blowing up a rising GS team, the face of the franchise, and a very possible playoff team next year
the thing that keeps bothering me here is the fact that Billy King holds the keys to this very important decision. This draft and the AI deal (more so the AI deal if it goes down---and I think it will) will affect our wins and losses for so many years to come and its scary. He hasnt exactly been the Joe Dumars type. In fact--what has been the best deals he has made since his championship run? Guess who was helping him in the picking of those players? Yours truly Larry Brown.
The way Im looking at this for King is from a sales cold-calling perspective. Almost like, after so many tries, your bound to get a hit...its a numbers game..." This city cant go through a Barkley type deal here again, so these coaches seriously need to find players that can make these surrounding young players spark.
2 important needs here: find a PG that can run the open floor and find the open man. Imagine Korvers numbers if we had a Steve Nash "type"? (Raja Bell would be a joke on any other team). Secondly, find an "aggressive" post player that can play DEFENSE and play with his back against or towards the basket. Imagine Iggys numbers if we had more of a post presence? Fill those 2 needs and half your battle is won
Iverson doesn't have the insane trade value some of you are giving him credit for.
Blasphemer!!!11!1
Yeah, but no matter he is the ONLY true trade value we have to work with now not later. If your Billy King, you see your team is going to be operating in the red for years to come if you dont make things happen
Quote from: reese125 on June 26, 2006, 11:01:00 AM
Yeah, but no matter he is the ONLY true trade value we have to work with now not later. If your Billy King, you see your team is going to be operating in the red for years to come if you dont make things happen
Right. I'm just saying you can't necessarily expect to fill all the team's needs by trading away Iverson.
I know..its wishful thinking, and the team needs to do alot more than what I stated. They need a kickstart of some sort--and a fruitful AI trade can do just that for the future
as much as i dont wanna see AI traded (still holding out for KG being traded here) i wouldnt mind the j rich trade with golden state.
I'd take the GS trade, but not if we include the 13th pick in it. I'd do it if we got to keep the pick.
Quote from: Bunkley78 on June 26, 2006, 04:50:06 PM
I'd take the GS trade, but not if we include the 13th pick in it. I'd do it if we got to keep the pick.
Obviously. If any Sixer fan
didnt do Iverson for 9, Richardson and Murphy they'd be one of the dumbest Sixers fans in the world.
It's not that much of a steal. It's not like Richardson has won anything in this league.
I'd do it, but only because AI is 31. If AI was 5 years younger I laugh at that trade.
forget about winning anything. with j-rich youd be getting a prolific scorer night in and night out, rebounds and assists. Murphy-double double threat every night, 3 point range and a pick. Yeah, thats a steal in my book, but a trade that will never happen
With J Rich and Murphy you'd have two good players, but the question is, are they the type of players that can win you championships?
Again, I'd do the deal, but I'm just arguing that it isn't a complete and total steal. That would be getting Wade or Lebron.
Yo, I am an AI fan but I would do that GS deal in a goddamn second.
And the three-way deal that is rumored with us getting Boozer is crap. Pure crap. No one wants Boozer. He's slop.
And he's a drunk just look at his name.
farg Duke.
boozer is nice when hes healthy...problem is hes never healthy
he was good in Sin City
I dont think you'll see any trade scenerio happen tomorrow. If anything happens at all, it will happen after next Saturday when the NBA's next fiscal year starts. It will allow for bigger trades to happen, and teams to take on higher salaries of players like AI, as well as get under the luxury tax
for me to be happy tomorrow all they have to do is NOT take JJ Reddick. if they do....wow.
I dont think you'll see any trade scenerio happen tomorrow
i think there will be lots of trade scenarios...as for actual trades who knows...
If anything happens at all, it will happen after next Saturday when the NBA's next fiscal year starts
king has let it be known that he wants another high pick...so i would say theres much more chance it happens before the draft than after
trade scenerios meaning involving AI, or any players with ridiculous salaries. Though King has let it be known that he wants a higher pick, he seems intent on staying put for the 13th as of recently...but that could be a smokescreen--so who knows
Let the excitement begin.
Is there a player in this draft that any of you would trade Iverson for straight-up?
I honestly can't think of one.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on June 27, 2006, 11:23:37 AM
Is there a player in this draft that any of you would trade Iverson for straight-up?
I honestly can't think of one.
all of them.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on June 27, 2006, 11:23:37 AM
Is there a player in this draft that any of you would trade Iverson for straight-up?
I honestly can't think of one.
not one Romey.
from whats said, this is the most complicated draft in like 30 years because there is no sure fire #1 pick. All those mocks you see mean squat, and all those teams with high picks will trade down or up, throwing veterans in there, future picks, etc. I think the board will be completely scattered tommorrow and I kind of like that way.
Quote from: hunt on June 27, 2006, 11:48:47 AM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on June 27, 2006, 11:23:37 AM
Is there a player in this draft that any of you would trade Iverson for straight-up?
I honestly can't think of one.
all of them.
:-D
I don't know the Olawakandi draft was pretty difficult too. The one thing about the NBA draft is some years it really seems to lack talent then they end up being a pretty damn good rookie class. There is a draft recently that was like that I just can't recall which one it was.
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on June 27, 2006, 12:16:30 PM
I don't know the Olawakandi draft was pretty difficult too. The one thing about the NBA draft is some years it really seems to lack talent then they end up being a pretty damn good rookie class. There is a draft recently that was like that I just can't recall which one it was.
It was 2003, wasnt it?
:paranoid
Is there a player in this draft that any of you would trade Iverson for straight-up?
I honestly can't think of one.
(http://www.secsports.com/image_lib/bkc_uky_rajon_rondo_164_101604.jpg)
OK, now you're getting carried away, IGY.
seriously...rondo blows
hell be by far the best point guard in this draft and maybe the best guard period...youve never seen him play even a half of basketball so stop the madness
Somebody smokes CHROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONIC
Rando isn't a good enough shooter to be the best guard in any draft.
I would like to see them trade away the 13th pick.
I don't see a player that is worth that pick. This draft is full of possibles, no real studs.
So I'd trade the 13 for two later #1's and pick up two players.
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 27, 2006, 12:47:49 PM
Is there a player in this draft that any of you would trade Iverson for straight-up?
I honestly can't think of one.
(http://www.secsports.com/image_lib/bkc_uky_rajon_rondo_164_101604.jpg)
Well struck, IGY.
:yay
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 27, 2006, 02:20:25 PM
I would like to see them trade away the 13th pick.
I don't see a player that is worth that pick. This draft is full of possibles, no real studs.
So I'd trade the 13 for two later #1's and pick up two players.
Jay - check the history of the past 15 drafts. Teams are far, far, far better off holding onto a #13 pick instead of trading down and getting multiple picks in the mid to late '20s.
Rando isn't a good enough shooter to be the best guard in any draft
either were tony parker jaamal tinsley kirk hinrich or tj ford
If we stay at 13, just take Rodney Carney and I'll be a happy man. Not over-joyed, but happy.
If we trade AI, I'm cool with it, but we better get a quality young player and a high pick in return. None of this Boozer nonsense.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on June 27, 2006, 03:38:25 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 27, 2006, 02:20:25 PM
I would like to see them trade away the 13th pick.
I don't see a player that is worth that pick. This draft is full of possibles, no real studs.
So I'd trade the 13 for two later #1's and pick up two players.
Jay - check the history of the past 15 drafts. Teams are far, far, far better off holding onto a #13 pick instead of trading down and getting multiple picks in the mid to late '20s.
Yeah, but this team needs youth. And they need good players. Would a draft pick be guaranteed to be good? No. But i would rather take a chance at that versus seeing the likes of Matt Barnes and Michael Bradley and Shavlik Randolph getting minutes.
I hope they trade Dalembert too.
i read somewhere that they offered dalembert to the nets for richard jefferson.
I'd take that in a second.
Sold.
Quote from: hunt on June 27, 2006, 04:09:55 PM
i read somewhere that they offered dalembert to the nets for richard jefferson.
stop yourself hunt. Id punch GoRahGeorge in the face if that happened
slow down...i never said the nets were going to accept the offer.
i mean, would you?
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 27, 2006, 03:54:23 PM
Rando isn't a good enough shooter to be the best guard in any draft
either were tony parker jaamal tinsley kirk hinrich or tj ford
just a little confused about ford and tinsley-they are more assists guys than anything. Ill give you the other 2 though
the point being that players who come out of college as not being good shooters can go on to have very good nba careers
They also can not, and more often do not.
I wouldn't have a problem with them drafting Rando as long as they get rid of Iverson. I agree with FF though the league has many more players that fail in the NBA because they can't shoot as opposed to the exceptions that you mentioned IGY.
yeah if youre a shooting guard and cant shoot you will fail
many point guards cant/wont shoot...in fact when they do or will shoot usually they arent that good of a pt guard...do i wish he shot a little better sure....but i have no problem with him not shooting at first learning the nba point game and then worry about his shot later...no better place to start to build than with a true one (other than a big man but there are no big men anymore)
He's simply not that great. He will almost certainly be there at #13, and the Sixers will almost certainly pass.
that would be a HUGE mistake
enough of the fascination with a guy that isnt that good already IGY. I really think your high on him because you see a PG that will be there at 13, if AI goes they will need a PG, if the Sixers pick him...you look like a genius that pulled a
Nostradamus.
Stop yourself with the "huge mistake" nonsense
ill say it again and maybe you can follow this time...AI has absolutely no bearing on who they pick this year...and he shouldnt
ok, then your obsessiveness with a subpar PG who wont make a lick of an impact is?
NOT JJ!
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 28, 2006, 08:52:28 AM
ill say it again and maybe you can follow this time...AI has absolutely no bearing on who they pick this year...and he shouldnt
i agree, i don't see how's iverson's status affects the draft at all, other then possibly getting more draft picks in an iverson trade.
i'm not that big on rondo, but i do want a PG, and if Marcus Williams is gone at 13 i'm fine with us taking Rondo.
(http://www.nba.com/media/sixers/iverson1_200_021216.jpg)
im half kidding about rondo but he is still my number one guy...however id be more than happy with marcus williams
MO, you keep mentioning not taking JJ, but if that guy is there at 13, he will probably be the best player available with the most value. Hes the purest shooter along with Morrison in the draft, and you damn sure know the Sixers need one of those. Defense and so forth he can work on
I would not be disappointed if they took him
he's Kyle Korver 2. why do they two non defense playing stand still shooters when they don't use the one they have correctly?
reddick has a herniated disc.
anyway, rumor has it the celts are offering wallyworld & the #7 pick for a1....there might be a throw in to make salaries work.
MO, you keep mentioning not taking JJ, but if that guy is there at 13, he will probably be the best player available with the most value. Hes the purest shooter along with Morrison in the draft, and you damn sure know the Sixers need one of those. Defense and so forth he can work on
I would not be disappointed if they took him
you need help....like sun said...one kyle korver is more than enough
Quote from: SunMoTzu on June 28, 2006, 09:24:35 AM
he's Kyle Korver 2. why do they two non defense playing stand still shooters when they don't use the one they have correctly?
jj is 20x better than korver ever was or will be. not saying i'd ever want him, but he's good for a team that needs that type of player, which the sixers don't.
as for the celts trade, boo. wally is garbage. give us jefferson and #7 and you got a deal.
Im sure you can find a play in your notebook there that can utilize 2 outside threats. When you only have one in Korver and the play breaks down, your a goner.
Put dual threats out there, you have a legit shot at scoring. JJ will be able to score anywhere on the floor and you need that--Korver cant--hes more of a set shooter.
i can't believe you're saying korver and redick are going to scare teams.
do you have any idea how easy it would be to play defense with two guys like that on the court at the same time
not to mention youd give up 150 pts a game if those two got any significant playing time together
you need help....like sun said...one kyle korver is more than enough
IGY, if clues were shoes, youd be barefoot guy. Understand the dimensions of basketball then come argue. Stop debating just to debate
if your demension of basketball is having korver and reddick on the court at the same time then youre right....i dont understand...
youre comedic gold
Quote from: phattymatty on June 28, 2006, 09:35:02 AM
i can't believe you're saying korver and redick are going to scare teams.
whos trying to scare anybody? your trying to score and nobody said these guys have to play on the floor together. I dont care if he came off the bench, its another legit threat. If you cant see that the your blind
Not one player in this draft is going to make a diff for this zesty team regardless, but its the pieces you start to put together that counts
you guys are acting like this #13 pick is the answer. Whoever it is is going to be a roll-player, 6th man, 7th man whatever.
Before you guys start actin froggy, understand all that was said is "I wouldnt mind" if we got Reddick
billy king has said that he wants to build around defense so i don't see how redick fits...he also has a herniated disc so i wouldn't be surprised if he falls in the draft.
i know you said you wouldn't mind, but then you come up with scenarios where they could play at the same time, the only times a team wouldn't score on the Sixers would be when they were laughing at a defensive alignment of Webber, Reddick, Iverson, Korver, and Dalembert.
his game is one reason i don't want him, another is that he is a punk ass, and yet another is because most Duke players fail in the pros.
Quote from: reese125 on June 28, 2006, 09:39:35 AM
whos trying to scare anybody? your trying to score and nobody said these guys have to play on the floor together. I dont care if he came off the bench, its another legit threat. If you cant see that the your blind
Not one player in this draft is going to make a diff for this zesty team regardless, but its the pieces you start to put together that counts
i don't think anyone is saying that the 13th pick is going to all of a sudden make this team good.
you're contradicting yourself when you say the sixers need to start putting pieces together, yet somehow reddick would be a good fit for this team.
also, the sixers need someone to run he point and play D a lot more than they need someone who can score, and thats all he can do is shoot.
recent picks at #13:
2005: Sean May, Charlotte
2004: Sebastian Telfair, Portland
2003: Marcus Banks, Memphis (to Boston)
2002: Marcus Haislip, Milwaukee
2001: Richard Jefferson, Houston (to New Jersey)
2000: Courtney Alexander, San Antonio
1999: Cory Maggette, Seattle
1998: Keon Clark, Orlando
1997: Derek Anderson, Cleveland
1996: Kobe Bryant, Charlotte (to L.A. Lakers)
some good players in there.
those drafts had great high school players tho...with the new early entry rule this one doesnt
I didnt see that hunt. If hes a physical liability and may need surgery than he drops down significantly.
I could probably see him going to a more run and gun team anyway. Its just a friggin shame that we rely so much on the half court offense when we dont even have the post players to run it.
I would love to see them push the ball a brand new way, that way we could pick up players with that kind of ability
we rely so much on the half court offense when we dont even have the post players to run it.
I would love to see them push the ball a brand new way, that way we could pick up players with that kind of ability
rondo
c'mon IGY, if clues were hair, you'd be bald!
Quote from: SunMoTzu on June 28, 2006, 09:57:14 AM
c'mon IGY, if clues were hair, you'd be bald!
go ahead and use it, hurry up.... tell your friends
you're just mad because you didn't think of it first
"another is that he is a punk ass"--IGY please can I bold this statement?
MO, he didnt sleep with your sister too did he?
lets try and get a push the floor guard to turn the sixers into a more high octane team...then say how much you dont like the guy who has the best handle and is the fastest player in the draft
oh and you want two slow stand still shooting whites guys on the floor at the same time
Quote from: reese125 on June 28, 2006, 10:03:27 AM
"another is that he is a punk ass"--IGY please can I bold this statement?
MO, he didnt sleep with your sister too did he?
not that i know of...she's more into lacrosse players
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 28, 2006, 10:12:58 AM
lets try and get a push the floor guard to turn the sixers into a more high octane team...then say how much you dont like the guy who has the best handle and is the fastest player in the draft
oh and you want two slow stand still shooting whites guys on the floor at the same time
puff....puff......puff....here
Mock updates:
Phil Jasner (Philly.com) = Cedric Simmons (Foye #7, Rondo #16, Lowry #22, Collins #30)
John Smallwood (Philly.com) = Ronnie Brewer (Foye #12, Lowry #22, Rondo #25, Collins #28)
Tom Moore (PhillyBurbs) = Cedric Simmons (Foye #7, Rondo #18, Lowry #23, Collins #26)
NBADraft.net = Marcus Williams (Foye #9, Lowry #21, Collins #25, Rondo #26)
DraftExpress.com = Marcus Williams (Foye #6, Rondo #17, Lowry #24, Collins #33)
SportsNetwork.com = Marcus Williams (Foye #8, Collins #20, Rondo #25, Lowry #28)
InsideHoops.com* = Ronnie Brewer (Foye #7, Collins #24, Rondo #27, Lowry #30)
Dime Magazine = Marcus Williams (Foye #10, Collins #16, Rondo #17, Lowry #21)
Jeff Goodman (FOXSports.com) = Marcus Williams (Foye #7, Rondo #17, Lowry #23, Collins 2nd rd)
Ian Thomsen (SI.com) = Marcus Williams (Foye #6, Lowry #15, Rondo #17, Collins #26)
* another update coming later today
surprised so many people have williams there at 13. he's the guy i want, i just don't think he'll still be there.
Three of three ESPN mock drafts I saw last night had the Sixers taking Rodney Carney (http://www.nbadraft.net/profiles/rodneycarney.asp).
matty, when you cant figure out who the #1 pick is in the draft, you damn sure can bet that nobody knows who the 13th pick will be? They all bite off each other
God I hope Rondo is there..cough...cough
I'd be cool with Williams. I'd also be cool with Simmons.
I really would like to trade out of 13 and get two picks later on though.
And AI for Wally and the #7? No.
Who would be the throw in? Delonte West?
Quote from: FFatPatt on June 28, 2006, 11:50:20 AM
Three of three ESPN mock drafts I saw last night had the Sixers taking Rodney Carney (http://www.nbadraft.net/profiles/rodneycarney.asp).
problem was he couldnt work out for them because of a sprained ankle. So it might not go down, but again who knows
Quote from: reese125 on June 28, 2006, 11:50:26 AM
matty, when you cant figure out who the #1 pick is in the draft, you damn sure can bet that nobody knows who the 13th pick will be? They all bite off each other
i hear you, i just think he's the #1 PG in the draft, and I don't see 12 teams passing on him. but you're right, guessing is retarded in this draft.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 28, 2006, 11:50:41 AMWho would be the throw in? Delonte West?
West isn't a "throw-in" guy anymore. He's legit...
agree
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 28, 2006, 11:50:41 AM
I'd be cool with Williams. I'd also be cool with Simmons.
I really would like to trade out of 13 and get two picks later on though.
And AI for Wally and the #7? No.
Who would be the throw in? Delonte West?
The problem with the trade of AI is you HAVE to get superstar for superstar/stars. Hes avg'd 33 a game or something like that. If you cant find players that can somewhat fill that void with the cast of players you have, then the trade is a null and void. if he's going to trade A.I., he better be getting something in return that resembles: Garnett, Brand, Jermaine O'Neal, McGrady, Ray Allen & Rashard Lewis, Cassell, Maggette & Kaman, or Marion, Thomas & Barbosa.
Now we know this wont happen so....
Either way, Im amazed King still has a job
Marcus Williams isn't ranked higher because he's had off-the-court issues (just like 80% of the NBA) and got suspended earlier this year after being arrested for stealing laptops, and supposedly he showed up to workouts out of shape...
I know, I should not have used throw in. But if they are taking Wally and the #7, I would want Delonte too.
Although the thought of AI in a Celts jersey sickens me.
I am not a Szcerbiak fan at all.
Added Chad Ford's Insider picks:
Phil Jasner (Philly.com) = Cedric Simmons (Foye #7, Rondo #16, Lowry #22, Collins #30)
John Smallwood (Philly.com) = Ronnie Brewer (Foye #12, Lowry #22, Rondo #25, Collins #28)
Tom Moore (PhillyBurbs) = Cedric Simmons (Foye #7, Rondo #18, Lowry #23, Collins #26)
Chad Ford (ESPN Insider) = Cedric Simmons (Foye #8, Rondo #22, Lowry #24, Collins #41)
NBADraft.net = Marcus Williams (Foye #9, Lowry #21, Collins #25, Rondo #26)
DraftExpress.com = Marcus Williams (Foye #6, Rondo #17, Lowry #24, Collins #33)
SportsNetwork.com = Marcus Williams (Foye #8, Collins #20, Rondo #25, Lowry #28)
InsideHoops.com* = Ronnie Brewer (Foye #7, Collins #24, Rondo #27, Lowry #30)
Dime Magazine = Marcus Williams (Foye #10, Collins #16, Rondo #17, Lowry #21)
Jeff Goodman (FOXSports.com) = Marcus Williams (Foye #7, Rondo #17, Lowry #23, Collins 2nd rd)
Ian Thomsen (SI.com) = Marcus Williams (Foye #6, Lowry #15, Rondo #17, Collins #26)
Sam Smith (Chicago Tribune) = Randy Foye (Rondo #18, Lowry #20, Collins #28)
* another update coming later today
Quote from: BigEd76 on June 28, 2006, 12:52:03 PM
Added Chad Ford's Insider picks:
Phil Jasner (Philly.com) = Cedric Simmons (Foye #7, Rondo #16, Lowry #22, Collins #30)
John Smallwood (Philly.com) = Ronnie Brewer (Foye #12, Lowry #22, Rondo #25, Collins #28)
Tom Moore (PhillyBurbs) = Cedric Simmons (Foye #7, Rondo #18, Lowry #23, Collins #26)
Chad Ford (ESPN Insider) = Cedric Simmons (Foye #8, Rondo #22, Lowry #24, Collins #41)
NBADraft.net = Marcus Williams (Foye #9, Lowry #21, Collins #25, Rondo #26)
DraftExpress.com = Marcus Williams (Foye #6, Rondo #17, Lowry #24, Collins #33)
SportsNetwork.com = Marcus Williams (Foye #8, Collins #20, Rondo #25, Lowry #28)
InsideHoops.com* = Ronnie Brewer (Foye #7, Collins #24, Rondo #27, Lowry #30)
Dime Magazine = Marcus Williams (Foye #10, Collins #16, Rondo #17, Lowry #21)
Jeff Goodman (FOXSports.com) = Marcus Williams (Foye #7, Rondo #17, Lowry #23, Collins 2nd rd)
Ian Thomsen (SI.com) = Marcus Williams (Foye #6, Lowry #15, Rondo #17, Collins #26)
* another update coming later today
I wouldn't mind seeing any of those players in a Sixers uniform.
Not that anyone cares about the NBDL (or uses it *coughLOUISWILLIAMScough*), but the new affiliate for the Sixers is the Fort Wayne Flyers. They will share with the Bobcats and Mavericks...
boo Cedric Simmons
Sam Smith has them taking Foye (added to list on previous page)
good draft info
http://www.truehoop.com/
Quote from: BigEd76 on June 28, 2006, 01:17:14 PM
Not that anyone cares about the NBDL (or uses it *coughLOUISWILLIAMScough*), but the new affiliate for the Sixers is the Fort Wayne Flyers. They will share with the Bobcats and Mavericks...
before this post, i never knew it existed
i hope the sixers trade up for rudy gay so i can buy a sixers' jersey with the name "gay" on the back.
yeah, that would rule!
That's because you're gay! Oh snap!Q
I like Simmons, but his offensive game is limited. The Sixers need to get better defensively, but we can't be one-dimensional.
Brewer and Carney are my most wanted players at 13. Leaning toward Carney because he's got a better shot, while Brewer is better defensively, Carney has the athleticism to be equally as good.
DraftExpress.com has published interview clips from all the top prospects in tonight's draft, but the one that caught our eye was this exchange with point guard Marcus Williams, who refused to work out for Golden St. and Philly.
Question: If you're not selected by Boston (at No. 7), where do you think you'd go? Answer: "I have no idea. I don't know." Question: Are you going to be nervous if you fall to teams like Golden St. and Philadelphia when you didn't work out for them? Answer: "I don't know." Good stuff. Jun. 28 - 12:12 pm et
Source: DraftExpress.com
Marcus Williams sucks anyway.
done deal: telfair to the celts for #7 and dickau
One less destination for AI.
so now they have west, greene, allen AND Telfair for guards
cant see why they wouldnt want to pick up a Forward there to back up fragile Wally...strange
If they twist BK's arm, maybe they can pry one of the Sixers "forwards", like Igoudala or Korver.
they wont have to twist, they can just tap him on the shoulder and ask....then he'll give them Iverson for LaFrentz straight up
Quote from: FFatPatt on June 28, 2006, 04:50:11 PM
Marcus Williams sucks anyway.
sucks at not getting caught with stolen laptops
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 28, 2006, 04:58:53 PM
done deal: telfair to the celts for #7 and dickau
'Hours before the draft the Celtics agreed to trade their No. 7 pick, Raef Lafrentz and Dan Dickau to Portland for Sebastian Telfair, Theo Ratliff and an '07 second-rounder '
Theo Ratliff back in the Sixers' division?!? NOOOOOOOOOO!!!
Quote from: BigEd76 on June 28, 2006, 05:56:45 PM
Quote from: FFatPatt on June 28, 2006, 04:50:11 PM
Marcus Williams sucks anyway.
sucks at not getting caught with stolen laptops
ha, good one.
but just the same, leave the funnies to the pros.
so if we trade with celtics we better get theo here. i miss theo...the much better version of dalembert.
then in return trade dalembert and webber for gasol or garnett and we are set.
and by set i dont know what i mean.
floating rumor: #13 and $3M to Seattle for #10
yeah, i heard that too. it's amazing that you can just buy yourself a higher draft pick. they most likely will buy themselves a 2nd round pick too, just like they did with Korver and Green. I think they might try and pick up Steve Smith from LaSalle.
RUMOR ALERT...
One of the posters on the EMB posted that a radio host in Wilmington (1290am) is saying that the Hawks took Williams for the Sixers. The Hawks would then trade the Sixers Harrington and Williams for AI.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 28, 2006, 08:16:24 PM
RUMOR ALERT...
One of the posters on the EMB posted that a radio host in Wilmington (1290am) is saying that the Hawks took Williams for the Sixers. The Hawks would then trade the Sixers Harrington and Williams for AI.
Thats it? I would think they need a little more for AI.
Man I hope Williams falls to the Sixers, he is the guy that I really want them to get, since they were unable to move up.
Are you farging kidding.
WTF, fire Billy King now!
:-D :-D
Thabo Sefolosha
6'7 215
Switzerland
ESPN saying his defense is a plus.
CHICAGO HAS TRADED FOR HIM according to Katz.
Philadelphia will pick at #16.
It was just a douchebaggy way for BK to find out who he wants out of Simmons, Carney, Williams and Brewer. We better have gotten more than 16 and some garbage.
Oh, well I guess he is going to Chicago, maybe he wouldn't have been that bad but now they need to get Williams, Carney, or Brewer.
Hopefully they get a round 2 pick.
it was stated that its a future second rounder
get williams.
carney :-\
Bulls select
Rodney Carney - F - Memphis
Hmmm....not too bad. But why pass up on a true PG?
Unless they have a plan to egt another pick and take Williams or IGY's boy.
i guess it was no secret
hmm, all those PGs there and we go with another F.
He's another Iggy. Which is OK but it doesn't address our PG situation.
Somehow they gotta get Rondo or Williams. Trade the future 2nd or something, Korver, I dunno.
Iggy and Carney. SICK.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 28, 2006, 09:10:54 PM
Bulls select
Rodney Carney - F - Memphis
Hmmm....not too bad. But why pass up on a true PG?
Unless they have a plan to egt another pick and take Williams or IGY's boy.
That would be great, I like the pick but I would have preferred to see Williams.
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on June 28, 2006, 09:12:26 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 28, 2006, 09:10:54 PM
Bulls select
Rodney Carney - F - Memphis
Hmmm....not too bad. But why pass up on a true PG?
Unless they have a plan to egt another pick and take Williams or IGY's boy.
That would be great, I like the pick but I would have preferred to see Williams.
likewise :-\ :yay
Get a PG tonight and its great.
Just the Carney pick is good.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 28, 2006, 09:14:01 PM
Get a PG tonight and its great.
Just the Carney pick is good.
Could you imagine if BK somehow got Williams or Rondo? My mindset prior to the draft was trade AI to Golden State, take Williams or Carney. Take Williams/Carney/Brewer at 13.
They're not getting a PG tonight. You're delusional.
BTW, did they get ANYTHING from the Bulls to move down to #16?
Still don't get that pick. Ah, well...
so what did we get for the trade? i haven't seen anythign, the graphic looked like a straight up trade.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on June 28, 2006, 09:15:27 PM
Still don't get that pick. Ah, well...
Your favorite team got DUI boy, though. So, you got THAT going for you.
Redick is actually a great pick for orlando.
Yeah, I agree.
so was that trade 13 for 16 and thats it? i'm confused.
we get the Bulls 16th pick--Carney and supposedly a future second rounder from what Ric Bucher
said on the radio
future 2nd? meh. i guess thats not bad if they got the player they wanted.
Carney is who I wanted, I love it.
i don't hate it.
i guess marcus williams' character issues are much worse than i thought.
Quote from: phattymatty on June 28, 2006, 09:26:06 PM
i guess marcus williams' character issues are much worse than i thought.
It pretty much has to be the reason, he is too good of a player to fall this far.
for real, i thought he was top 10 for sure.
shtein, espn had him as one of the 5 choices as who should be #1.
Marcus Williams = Aaron Rodgers?
Marcus Williams is overrated. IMO he doesn't have the physicality to be a star at the next level.
He's more of a distributor and we don't even know if AI's gone yet.
dude, seriously, stop calling AI a PG.
Like it or not he plays PG here.
OK, so as of now - they have two SF/SG type guys that can't really shoot from the outside overly well but can make some spectacular dunks, a PF with maybe half of one knee, a C that is athletic and stupid, and a SG that gets forced into playing the point but really prefers to take a ridiculously off-balance shot instead of passing to a useless teammate.
Why doesn't the Heat just ship that trophy up to Philly to save time now? :-D
Sixers get a 2007 2nd rd pick and cash
Quote from: FFatPatt on June 28, 2006, 09:36:12 PM
OK, so as of now - they have two SF/SG type guys that can't really shoot from the outside overly well but can make some spectacular dunks, a PF with maybe half of one knee, a C that is athletic and stupid, and a SG that gets forced into playing the point but really prefers to take a ridiculously off-balance shot instead of passing to a useless teammate.
Why doesn't the Heat just ship that trophy up to Philly to save time now? :-D
thats about right. although carney has a pretty good shot.
on another note, stern is such a smug a-hole. i love him. best commissioner of any sport in our lifetimes.
alos, isiah is still an idiot.
Because what they need, really, is cash. Obviously, the team is begging for alms at the street corner.
Carney is an ok player, but he doesn't fill any needs for this team. They must plan on trading AI and blowing it all up, becuase otherwise the pick makes no sense.
He'll be the starting SG, moving Iguodala to SF
Quote from: BigEd76 on June 28, 2006, 09:46:22 PM
He'll be the starting SG, moving Iguodala to SF
They certainly are now very athletic at the 2/3 position.
dont forget Willie Green boys
Quote from: Bunkley78 on June 28, 2006, 09:22:28 PM
Carney is who I wanted, I love it.
you were ready to post that no matter who they got tonight
Nomads you know. Smell like cabbage.
The Bulls selected forward Rodney Carney out of Memphis but he'll play for the Sixers.
The Sixers took Thabo Sefalosha for the Bulls and will take the highly athletic Carney in return. The Indianapolis product may be the best athlete in the draft and is a sleeper for Rookie of the Year if he can get playing time in Philly. Jun. 28 - 9:14 pm et
Rookie of the Year huh...strong words from Rotoworld. They are pretty slick with their b-ball knowledge though
Quote from: Wingspan on June 28, 2006, 10:01:17 PM
Quote from: Bunkley78 on June 28, 2006, 09:22:28 PM
Carney is who I wanted, I love it.
you were ready to post that no matter who they got tonight
QuoteI like Simmons, but his offensive game is limited. The Sixers need to get better defensively, but we can't be one-dimensional.
Brewer and Carney are my most wanted players at 13. Leaning toward Carney because he's got a better shot, while Brewer is better defensively, Carney has the athleticism to be equally as good.
Bunk, there are no awards here for guessing the pick. we know you picked him. Ill send you a balloon in the mail
I didn't guess the pick. I just confirmed his ignorance by quoting the post that said I wanted him.
What. no one gives out cookies anymore. ;D
bobby jones??
we just got Bobby Jones from Minnesota--originally the 37th pick for cash and future pick
exactly what King is doing matty...."Jonesing" for anything right now
Washington SF/SG
http://www.nbadraft.net/admincp/profiles/bobbyjones.html
oh that bobby jones. i thought they meant the minnesota guy that used to play on the kings.
this guys good on D from what i've heard.
King is definitely sticking to his word about defense..Ill give him that at least
The Celtics collected assets on draft night (Sebastian Telfair, Rajon Rondo) and it all points to them making a run at Allen Iverson. It's sounding more and more like Iverson won't return to the Philly next season and the Celtics have put themselves into a position to have a shot at him. Jun. 29 - 12:02 am et
Andy Katz still reports that the Celtics are very hot in the running for him this summer. I dont know if this is enough to do it, but it looks like the Celtics are stockpiled right now at the guard position. If it did happen, it looks like they would have to throw in Wally World or a third team
why in the world would we trade iverson to a divisonal rival?
Looks like the Sixers got another 2nd rder, sending cash to Toronto for #56 pick Edin Bavcic, a forward from Bosnia that will stay in Europe
From DraftExpress:
QuoteEdin Bavcic had a pretty good showing here. He's a perimeter-oriented power forward who stands somewhere between 6-10 and 6-11 on shoes, and who enjoys nice athleticism and a solid enough physical set. He loves to hang around the arc and shoot three-pointers, where he shows nice accuracy and good mechanics. From time to time, he also attacks the basket, showing good handles and nice quickness. He can also be pretty aggressive going for the rebound. However, we miss some inside game, some post skills. Anyway, he's a promising guy that already gets consistent playing time in the Adriatic League with Bosnia, but we still are not sold on him.
Like reese said, it looks like Billy was true to his word about the defensive side of the ball.
I'm OK with the draft. Would've loved a point, but...
igy's boy rondo will be a sixer as part of an a1 to boston deal...book it!
Boston Herald (http://celtics.bostonherald.com/celtics/view.bg?articleid=146112)
QuoteThe Celtics didn't make the blockbuster deal they were hoping to yesterday, but Allen Iverson could still be wearing green this coming season. According to sources, the Celts will continue to pursue Iverson and attempt to put together a multi-team deal to make it work.
Several factors could still get in the way, not the least of which is that two people running NBA teams insist that Philadelphia president Billy King has been calling around the league seeking the best possible return if he moves his franchise guard.
Director of basketball operations Danny Ainge is said to be the most ardent supporter of Iverson within the C's organization.
While Ainge wouldn't discuss any potential moves, he did say, "We're not done," and that Sebastian Telfair was not acquired as a prelude to another deal.
"We didn't trade for Sebastian Telfair to send him to another team," said Ainge. "We got him to keep him. He's going to be a part of our team."
They aren't trading Telfair (or Pierce), they like Rondo, and they told Al Jefferson that he's not going anywhere. I don't want anything else from them unless West, a 1st and something from another team is involved. Don't try to give us Brian Grant....
Sheridan (http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/sports/14926804.htm)
Quote"I didn't even know until I sat down and went on the radio," Carney said. "They asked me how I felt about going to Philadelphia. 'Philadelphia? I thought it was Chicago?' No, it was Philly. I got traded already. The draft is crazy."
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The Sixers received a second-round pick next year - in other words, someone who probably will never play a minute for them - and some cash.
In between, two players linked to the Sixers in a lot of mock drafts were taken: Arkansas guard Ronnie Brewer and North Carolina State forward Cedric Simmons.
Again, you can't shake the sense that the Sixers were so lukewarm about the available players that they let three other teams choose ahead of them. Utah could just as easily have taken Carney as Brewer.
So it's hard to get overly excited about the pick. Or about the Sixers. There was a lot of speculation about franchise-shaking moves - a trade of Allen Iverson, even a deal to move up in the draft - but nothing like that happened.
It wasn't even clear what the selection of Carney revealed about Billy King's overall strategy. Carney could be a shooting guard or small forward, so it's not like he directly affects Iverson.
Carney compared himself to Sixers forward Andre Iguodala, and that's exactly what the scouting reports sound like. Athletic. A great leaper. A little rough but loaded with potential.
Oh, and he has confidence.
cant fully hate on the carney pick but its as insignificant as you can get...hes got no real position and will never amount to anything in the league...hes one of those players that end up being on six different teams over the next ten years...a player that everyone will always want and then once they get him realize he isnt anything special and will then send him on to another team that values him...repeat rinse....
the main problem is as phreak said you had to get a point guard...how do you not take marcus williams
Quote from: reese125 on June 28, 2006, 10:54:39 PM
Bunk, there are no awards here for guessing the pick. we know you picked him. Ill send you a balloon in the mail
Send him the kind that he can use to smuggle drugs in his anus. He'd like that.
QuoteStrengths: Big, athletic guard that can really defend on and off the ball...One of the best defensive shooting guards in college basketball...Tough as nails...Excellent rebounder for his size...Led UofW in rebounding last season...Gifted athlete who runs and jumps with the best of them... Tremendous lateral quickness...Great basketball IQ "Plays within himself" and a motor that doesn't stop... Great in transition and finishes well at the rim... Rapidly improving his jump shot and outside game...Wants the ball in crunch time and hit many big shots for the Huskies...An all out hustler who plays with the kind of intangibles that coaches love.
Weaknesses: Ball handling needs to improve to play the 2 at the next level...Moving without the ball... Free-throw shooting...Often foul prone, may be because of his aggressive defensive style, but still fouls out too often...Needs to continue to improve outside shot... Not enough attempts to determine how well he really shoots from the perimeter yet and does not have NBA range at this time.
Well, this guy sounds very averagish, but we needed another defender, I guess.
Quote from: hunt on June 29, 2006, 07:17:51 AM
igy's boy rondo will be a sixer as part of an a1 to boston deal...book it!
I was going to say the same thing. In fact, they'd almost have to include him if they're not moving Telfair or Pierce.
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 29, 2006, 07:52:34 AM
how do you not take marcus williams
What the...?? You're all in love with Rondo, who was still on the board also, and you're hating on them for not drafting Marcus Williams? That just don't make sense.
Indy and Sacramento needed PGs and passed on Williams too. Tells you something....
They like their computing equipment where it is in Philly, Indy, and Sacramento?
i'm okay with the carney pick...he and iggy give them an athletic tandem at sg/sf who can both play D. i'm thinking west, rondo, or telfair must be on the way in an iverson deal to fill the void at pg.
and something must be up with williams if he fell that far.
i like rondo better....period
im speaking from thier point of view...williams probably shouldnt have been there at 13 for them...and then hes there at 16 and you still dont take him?...mistake
maybe a mistake...we'll see. it all depends on what they get for a1.
williams didn't help himself by being out of shape...oh, and he's a thief too. when i saw the interview with his annoying mother, i was glad the sixers didn't pick him.
David Aldridge usually has the nice scoop of whats going on. Hes not sold on the Celts because of the division rival, but at this stage I dont think King is worrying about AI knocking them out of the playoffs. He has more important things to worry about--the fans and his job.
http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/sports/14925179.htm
yeah, i think king is hesitant but hopefully he realizes that he needs to take the best deal for a1...even if it means trading him within the division.
you can bet a pg will be coming back so maybe the golden state (baron davis) rumors will resurface.
Indy and Sacramento needed PGs and passed on Williams too. Tells you something....
it tells you that mike bibby and jamal tinsley are not exactly kevin ollie...neither team needed a point guard
williams didn't help himself by being out of shape...oh, and he's a thief too. when i saw the interview with his annoying mother, i was glad the sixers didn't pick him.
the thief aspect is way overplayed...teams dont care about that shtein if the guy can play....it had to have been the out of shape thing...either way who cares its not like you were taking a huge gamble on williams at 16...omg we might pass on rodney carney!!....this draft was awful...which allows you to take a risk....if thats what you think taking williams would have been...
billy king was just on wip
imo he all but said iverson was gone...said lots of teams interested and that there is no guarantee he will be back
The funny thing is they both needed a back up PG. Sac has Jason Hart--whos ok at assists
I cant believe INDY is sold on Anthony Johnson running the point because Jamaal Tinsleys injury riddled career is over.
I think Bird makes a move this summer for a point guard
I do agree, Williams should of been picked up based on the talent out there
but the flipnote is these young players are a mess coming into the NBA not knowing what to expect, and I think the owners of these teams are tired of taking that flyer on a guy with a track record and getting it blown up in their face. If you cant come to 1 day tryout in shape, you have issues off the bat
If the Sixers trade Iverson to Boston they have to get Al Jefferson as part of that trade IMO. Personally I could care less where Iverson ends up just so long as they get great value in return. People can say what they want to about AI and his age but he has really shown no signs of slowing down and still is a 30+ scorer a game.
jefferson would be ideal, as would a 1st round pick for next year.
and keep in mind that a higher salary guy like wallyworld (boozer or gooden in a 3-way deal) will have to be included to match a1's salary.
Carney would be a great pick...if they'd traded Iggy for Artest last year.
no question. you better get Al Jefferson and alot more. The equation has to equal superstar value. if that means tossing in a 3rd team so be it. I just dont want another 7 years of garbage on the court becaue King was overanxious. He better be very methodical in his thinking cause its the biggest trade of his life--wait a minute, who the hell am I talking about? just cross your fingers
Quote from: Magical_Retard on June 29, 2006, 12:34:06 AM
why in the world would we trade iverson to a divisonal rival?
Divisional rivals mean nothing in the NBA. You still only play them 4 times a year.
anyway boston fans would be way more upset with iverson in green than sixer fans
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 29, 2006, 09:08:07 AM
anyway boston fans would be way more upset with iverson in green than sixer fans
i'm not so sure about that. boston fans are the first people to fall in love with new players.
so does philly....every city loves new players if they are good...but there is always exceptions
iverson is WAAAAAAAAY to black for boston...they absolutely despise him there more than anyone else in the league...ive been to a couple sixer games up there in the last 5-6 years and the hate was titanic
never knew that, i guess it make sense though because they do hate them some negroes up there.
I look forward to Bill Simmons' first column if the Celts deal for AI.
You guys are retarded. Bostonians don't hate black people. They hate everyone who isn't from Boston, which happens to include black people. Seriously, there are no darkies here. It's farging weird.
Quote from: FFatPatt on June 29, 2006, 09:34:31 AM
I look forward to Bill Simmons' first column if the Celts deal for AI.
i look forward to dozens of national columnists who know nothing about the sixers' situation ripping them for trading their franchise player.
King also told the WIP morning show that he's put a few calls in to Steven Smith's agent...
RealGM report cards (http://realgm.com/src_twoplusthefoul/120/20060629/report_cards_from_the_2006_draft/)
QuoteThe 76ers basically scored two players who fell beyond where they should have. Carney is an excellent athlete who runs the floor and scores instinctively, while Jones is a lock-down defender that any team in the NBA would be able to benefit from. Both players are extremely solid considering where they were selected.
Grade: A-
I like the Knicks one:
QuoteAfter the Balkman pick, I'm surprised that there was not a violent riot at Madison Square Garden
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F+
F Plus?
:-D
2006 Draft Profile: Bobby Jones
Bobby Jones is the Washington teammate who made Brandon Roy look good.
He pops up some in these highlights (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2KsNTVAUpA). Look for big #15 who is getting in everyone's face.
The DraftExpress profile (http://www.draftexpress.com/viewprofile.php?p=351) makes clear what this guy is all about: defense. And it's not just B.S. The most impressive basketball anecdote I have heard about any prospect in this draft is about Bobby Jones. Jonathan Givony of DraftExpress tells it in this podcast interview for TrueHoop.
The gist is this: when Washington played Illinois in the NCAA tournament, 6-foot-nothing whipper snapper Illinois point guard Dee Brown started out really hot. So, as Givony tells it, they said "Allright Bobby, here you go." And 6-7 Bobby Jones shut him down for almost a whole quarter.
But then 6-10, athletic James Augustine was getting hot before the half. Scoring in bunches. So, it's "OK, Bobby, how about this guy?" Second half, Jones shuts Augustine down completely. No points.
And all that's on the big stage. That's the kind of stuff that wins games. After hearing that story, did you need me to tell you that Washington won? You have a guy shut down the other team's hottest scorers almost all game long, that almost always happens.
OK, his shot is a little circumspect. But guys like Bobby Jones get playing time in the NBA. Add to that a willingness to play second fiddle, and some serious toughness, and he's a guy I'd want on my bench. And just imagine if he develops consistent three-point range. Then he's a big version of Bruce Bowen.
We really don't need this Jones guy, because Salmons is such an awesome defender.
I really liked the draft. Immediately after Boston traded for Rondo I screamed at the TV "WHAT THE HELL FOR??" Then I realized about 2 minutes later he'd be a trading chip hopefully for AI.
I like Carney. He's Iguodala with a better jumpshot and less polished defensively. As long as AI is traded, he'll be the starter at SG.
I didnt really know much about Jones but it seems like a smart move. Hopefully they can let Salmons go and let Jones take his place, only he can play defense.
QuotePhiladelphia acquires the Draft rights to Edin Bavcic from Toronto for cash considerations.
Anyone see this? I cant find a prospect profile on him anywhere. Wasnt this the guy that Bilas said would have been like Paul Davis had he played in college?
theyll keep in Europe...it means nothing
Carney- love it
Jones- meh
Mardy Collins on the Knicks? Ha. I'm glad he got picked in the first round, but it sucks hes going to that mess.
Mardy sounds like a chick's name.
Quote from: Dillen37 on June 29, 2006, 11:21:13 AM
QuotePhiladelphia acquires the Draft rights to Edin Bavcic from Toronto for cash considerations.
Anyone see this? I cant find a prospect profile on him anywhere. Wasnt this the guy that Bilas said would have been like Paul Davis had he played in college?
page 94 has some info. stuff gets missed now because of the 5-posts-per-page setup...
QuotePHILADELPHIA 76ERS
Round 1: Rodney Carney, SF, Memphis (No. 16 pick, acquired from Chicago)
Round 2: Bobby Jones, SF, Washington (No. 37, acquired from Minnesota)
Edin Bavcic, C, Bosnia (No. 56, acquired from Toronto)
Analysis: The Sixers had a good draft.
They added a superathletic swingman in Carney who can shoot the ball and run the floor. Carney is also an excellent defender when he wants to be.
Bobby Jones doesn't know offense, but he's one of the best on-the-ball defenders in the draft.
They still need a point guard and some help at the four, but the Sixers couldn't accomplish everything with just two draft picks.
Don't be surprised if they address their other needs via trade. There's a lot of talk that they're trading Allen Iverson to the Celtics soon. Boston exec Danny Ainge has denied it, but a lot of people in the league are saying otherwise. Word is that Sebastian Telfair and possibly Al Jefferson or Theo Ratliff might be coming Philly's way.
Grade: B+
Quote from: BigEd76 on June 29, 2006, 12:41:13 PM
Quote from: Dillen37 on June 29, 2006, 11:21:13 AM
QuotePhiladelphia acquires the Draft rights to Edin Bavcic from Toronto for cash considerations.
Anyone see this? I cant find a prospect profile on him anywhere. Wasnt this the guy that Bilas said would have been like Paul Davis had he played in college?
page 94 has some info. stuff gets missed now because of the 5-posts-per-page setup...
this is not the post you're looking for...
docking bay 94...
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on June 29, 2006, 12:53:40 PM
QuotePHILADELPHIA 76ERS
Round 1: Rodney Carney, SF, Memphis (No. 16 pick, acquired from Chicago)
Round 2: Bobby Jones, SF, Washington (No. 37, acquired from Minnesota)
Edin Bavcic, C, Bosnia (No. 56, acquired from Toronto)
Analysis: The Sixers had a good draft.
They added a superathletic swingman in Carney who can shoot the ball and run the floor. Carney is also an excellent defender when he wants to be.
Bobby Jones doesn't know offense, but he's one of the best on-the-ball defenders in the draft.
They still need a point guard and some help at the four, but the Sixers couldn't accomplish everything with just two draft picks.
Don't be surprised if they address their other needs via trade. There's a lot of talk that they're trading Allen Iverson to the Celtics soon. Boston exec Danny Ainge has denied it, but a lot of people in the league are saying otherwise. Word is that Sebastian Telfair and possibly Al Jefferson or Theo Ratliff might be coming Philly's way.
Grade: B+
AI for Telfair and Jefferson I would do in a heartbeat, if it were Ratliff something else better be included. Has there been any news on possible destinations for Sammy?
Telfair, Jefferson, Green, Webber, Dalembert, Iggy, Carney, Jones, Korver
thats not a bad start.
now count the total offensive points up there and tell me if you still like it
Quote from: reese125 on June 29, 2006, 01:22:20 PM
now count the total offensive points up there and tell me if you still like it
He said not a bad start, they aren't going to cure all of their ailments overnight.
absolutely I agree they wont cure their ailments flex. and i also think its an awful start because if Billy King trades away Iverson for Telfair and Jefferson, Ill be more pissed off than a one-legged waiter at IHOP
Quote from: reese125 on June 29, 2006, 01:38:05 PM
Ill be more pissed off than a one-legged waiter at IHOP
C. Averagish effort there.
bottom line is thats not even close to getting value for value. Ratliff is a throw in to play 20 minutes tops because he cant even sniff the word healthy anymore
telfair & jefferson combine to make around $4 mill per year...iverson makes around $17-18 mill next year.
that trade cannot happen....a high salary guy must be included, whether it be ratliff, wallyworld, or somebody else.
this is probably completely made up, but i found it on a message board, so it must be true!
QuoteFriend of mine out here in Cali told me just 10 minutes ago that the
Ivy to Boston rumor is on the back-burner. He said that Charlotte and
Philly are in some serious talks for Iverson who Charlotte, and MJ want
bad. The rumor goes that Charlotte will draft Adam Morrison at # 3,
there by making their SF Wallace available, and that after July 1st
they
would send a package of Wallace & Felton and next years # 1 pick..(
Top-3 protected )
to Philly for Ivy and perhaps Willie Green.
That's what he told me. But either way he assurd me that Philly and
Charlotte are talking.
Traded players can't be traded again within a certain amount of time, so Telfair, Ratliff and Grant can't be included in any deals this summer.
well definitely not Grant because he just retired yesterday
Salaries don't match on that Charlotte one
Ed, you think Jordan will let Morrison and Felton play in the Appletree Red Cedar Classic this summer?
Quote from: BigEd76 on June 29, 2006, 01:57:24 PM
Salaries don't match on that Charlotte one
does charlotte have cap room to assume some of a1's salary?
anyway, i don' t like that deal...but maybe if the lottery pick were unprotected (oden).
Wallace & Felton? Yuck.
the what classic? no idea
Anyway, here's some more reading material:
Memphis newspaper article on Carney (http://www.commercialappeal.com/mca/tigers/article/0,2844,MCA_25363_4809651,00.html)
Quote"We thought he was gonna go a little higher, but at the end of the day the most important thing is the fit," [agent Chris] Emens said. "You look at the 76ers' lineup and add Rodney to it, and all of a sudden you have a team, with Allen Iverson, Samuel Dalembert, Andre Iguodala and Chris Webber, that is as fast and athletic as any in the NBA."
This guy obviously hasn't watched Webber lately...
Seattle newspaper article on Jones (http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/basketball/275836_jones29x.html)
Quote"I'm speechless right now," the emotional Jones said from his parents' house in Compton, Calif. "I'm just happy this is over with and I'm able to celebrate and I'm not unhappy and crying. I just want to show the 76ers what I'm worth."
GoHuskies.com quotes from Jones (http://gohuskies.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/062906aad.html)
QuoteOn ending up in Philadelphia:
"I'm happy somebody wanted me. When they traded to get me, that shows interest also that they wanted to get me. I'm happy to be somewhere where I'm wanted. I heard they lack a defensive presence in that position that I play. I feel I have a great opportunity to step in and contribute to the team immediately.
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On concerns that he might be traded to another team:
"I can always think that, but I'm pretty sure that Philadelphia likes me a lot and they want me to come in and stay with them for as long as I can. I've got to stay positive if they do trade me. That's just how it is. I'm not going to think about that every night I go to sleep."
On having the same name as former 76ers standout Bobby Jones:
"It's kind of a coincidence that in my house back in Seattle I was given a framed picture of Bobby Jones from the Sixers with his autograph. I had it in my room right next to a stack of DVDs on my table. It was in the corner, nothing special. Maybe I should have looked at that as a sign that I was going to the Sixers or something. I got it about five months ago. Ever since I was young people have always brought to my attention everything that has Bobby Jones. I always heard jokes about the golfer."
On where Philadelphia staff said he fits in:
"I was kind of surprised because I didn't work out for them at all. Throughout this whole process my agent really never talked to me about Philadelphia. When the draft started, he told me that Philadelphia was going to try to get me. That shows to me that they are interested a lot. If I didn't work out for them and I didn't make a trip down there I'm pretty sure they still did their homework. They know what my strengths are and that is to play defense, bring energy and rebound. I heard that's a lot of things that they lack as a whole on their team. I'm willing and able to do whatever they want me to do because this is a job now and I'm all about the team concept."
I'm glad we didn't take Marcus Williams. He'll be a solid NBA point guard, but he'll never be a star. He'll never score a big amount of points and he doesn't play defense. He has good court vision and can penetrate some. Carney has a chance at being a star though. He has a nice shot and great athleticism.
Where the hell will Boston play AI if we trade with them? They said they could play Telfair and AI at the same time. A Telfair and AI backcourt? Ouch.
But we better get Jefferson in return. I don't care between Telfair and Rondo, and we better get Gerald Green back or a future first too.
Quote from: phattymatty on June 29, 2006, 09:06:58 AM
Quote from: Magical_Retard on June 29, 2006, 12:34:06 AM
why in the world would we trade iverson to a divisonal rival?
Divisional rivals mean nothing in the NBA. You still only play them 4 times a year.
yea but u battle against them record wise. thats why TO going to Dallas was considered especially bad.
i still dont get this talk of trading AI to Boston..to me this deal comes off as just dealing AI just for the sake of dealing him.
i rather they entertain better options or trade WEBBER and or Dalembert b4 they trade AI just cause and help a divisional rival become a playoff contender.
this isn't about next year, this is about years from now.
and do you really think a team of AI and Paul Pierce is going to light the world on fire?
I think there is little interest out there for AI. Actually, take that back. There probably is a good deal of interest, but for what the Sixers want, there probably isn't a lot of takers. I think Billy wants good young players in return and most teams won't part with their young studs for AI.
Boston might be the only team willing to. They have a lot of young players. West, Rondo, Telfair, Green, Jefferson.
This team needs a guard and a big. West and Jefferson both fit the bill. Also they both can play defense.
Quote from: SunMoTzu on June 29, 2006, 02:48:00 PM
this isn't about next year, this is about years from now.
and do you really think a team of AI and Paul Pierce is going to light the world on fire?
Mo my man, thats a hell of a combo. When you have a 1-2 punch like that with a supporting cast it makes a world of a difference. They would be one of the best tandems in the league
id kill to get felton
hes gonna be a great point guard in this league
correct sir
Quote from: SunMoTzu on June 29, 2006, 02:48:00 PM
this isn't about next year, this is about years from now.
and do you really think a team of AI and Paul Pierce is going to light the world on fire?
well im a Iverson fan so maybe im biased but i think any team he goes on immediately becomes better and a playoff contender. and yes i do think a team of pierce and iverson would be better than anything the celtics have right now. i dont know i just dont wanna see AI playing for the celtics. if anything do the charlotte trade, get thier top 3 protected pick and since we will end up in the lottery again maybe we can have 2 top 10 picks in next yrs draft...which promises to have better talent.
Quote from: reese125 on June 29, 2006, 02:51:22 PM
Mo my man, thats a hell of a combo. When you have a 1-2 punch like that with a supporting cast it makes a world of a difference. They would be one of the best tandems in the league
in fantasy basketball it's a great combo. but do you really think there is enough shots to go around for both AI and Pierce, not to mention how bad their defense will be?
fantasy or no fantasy those kind of players get their points regardless of the situation. If they were able to keep Wally too....division champs
but theres no shot
Quote from: SunMoTzu on June 29, 2006, 02:57:19 PM
Quote from: reese125 on June 29, 2006, 02:51:22 PM
Mo my man, thats a hell of a combo. When you have a 1-2 punch like that with a supporting cast it makes a world of a difference. They would be one of the best tandems in the league
in fantasy basketball it's a great combo. but do you really think there is enough shots to go around for both AI and Pierce, not to mention how bad their defense will be?
considering AI avg 7 some ASSISTS on a Sixers team where he is the #1 option i think he play within the system in Boston, score his points, and still have enough shots for Pierce.
if thats the deal they are going to settle for...i rather they try to work a trade with dalembert and or webber.
the Charlotte deal is nice with the future picks, Felton and getting Gerald Wallace would be a HUGE upgrade for our defense--but he has serious physical limitations. I saw almost every one of Charlottes games this year and Wallace is a friggin monster in blocks, steals and boards--plus he can score
Ed already mentioned the salary matchups which is problem. Plus, Jordan has already mentioned Felton is the PG of the franchise. Brevin Knight will either play the back up roll or be traded this summer. Knight is another player I would covet because he is a true PG.
Every team will inquire about AI and they should, but majority will not be feasible
Quote from: Magical_Retard on June 29, 2006, 02:59:06 PM
i think he play within the system in Boston, score his points, and still have enough shots for Pierce.
are you talking about the same a1 we've all watched for the past 10 years?
bah! :-D
http://cbs.sportsline.com/
look at your boy on the front page--Philadelphia Grade A
Quote from: hunt on June 29, 2006, 03:27:57 PM
Quote from: Magical_Retard on June 29, 2006, 02:59:06 PM
i think he play within the system in Boston, score his points, and still have enough shots for Pierce.
are you talking about the same a1 we've all watched for the past 10 years?
bah! :-D
pointless arguing with u..u hate him and im a huge fan of his. and u can ignore the #s but iverson is prolly coming off his best season numbers wise ever...30 points per game and 7 some assists per game for a scorer playing PG. and for the past 10 yrs he has never ever had a true #2 to defer to or any real scorer.
with him at sg and pierce as sf i can easily see boston being a contender.
you're insane. :-D
i'd love to know what you've seen over the past few years to make you believe that a1 will suddenly become a team player, play within the system, & defer shots to a teammate....boston will implode & i'll enjoy watching it happen.
Quote from: SunMoTzu on June 29, 2006, 02:48:00 PM
this isn't about next year, this is about years from now.
and do you really think a team of AI and Paul Pierce is going to light the world on fire?
Only if they discover it's really a Bob Marley joint.
Quote from: hunt on June 29, 2006, 03:46:06 PM
you're insane. :-D
i'd love to know what you've seen over the past few years to make you believe that a1 will suddenly become a team player, play within the system, & defer shots to a teammate....boston will implode & i'll enjoy watching it happen.
how is he not a team player? what system didnt he play within? the same system designed for him to be the #1 option and score? similar to how the lakers play with kobe or wade with miami? how is iverson not a team player? because he doesnt pass the ball to guys who have very lil to zero offensive talent? and how did webber and ai work out offensively? it wasnt thier offensive that was the problem...it was the complete lack of D. ai and webber were the highest scoring tandem in the league and pierce and iverson can duplicate that possibly. and please tell me how he averaged more than 7 assists per game...something some true point guards werent able to do if he didnt defer to his teammates or pass the ball? hes a sg playing pg and still managed that.
hah! stop it. he's a selfish player.
a1 dominates the ball on every possesion & doesn't get teammates involved...the reason he gets assists is because he has the ball EVERY time down the floor...occasionally, he gets stuck in midair and HAS to pass the ball.
he's also a horrible team defender with his gambling style.
i'm not going through this again...maybe you'll finally realize it this season when he has a new team around him & still plays the same way. or maybe you'll blame his boston teammates too.
I wonder if Magical Retard is a scalper?
That would be like funny and stuff.
right u didnt answer a single question i asked. who has iverson had to defer to? and gets caught and has to pass occasionally? thats not how u avg 7+ assists, and have a scorer like webber on ur team who still averaged 20 pts. the whole problem with the team last yr wasnt the ball not getting around enough but the complete lack of DEFENSE. now i wont say he is excellent defender and in the past his gambling style worked cause we had great TEAM D to rely on when we had guys mckie, snow, lynch, ratliff, mutumbo. hes the scoring option...of course he is going to have the ball in his hands the whole time. it worked to take us to the finals when we build a team that made sense around him. it could be done again, if not here then somewhere else. selfish? yeah prolly is but his style is similar to most other stars in the league who dominate the scoring for thier team...BECAUSE THEY ARE THE BEST SCORING OPTION.
and ur right he had the ball in his hands the all the time..he is the PG and the best scoring option.
magical, I agree with your statements.....and I would love to buy 4 please
you keep hounding assists, but he ranked 64th in the league for Assist to Turnover ratio, a true point guard stat
Quote from: SunMoTzu on June 29, 2006, 05:19:17 PM
you keep hounding assists, but he ranked 64th in the league for Assist to Turnover ratio, a true point guard stat
i keep harping it because he is a SG playing PG. yes he turns the ball over...but every big time scorer who handles the ball so much and HAS TO (u might want to read that over and over) create so much of the offense turns the ball over. look at wade even in the finals. he was averaging around 5 turnovers a game yet he had one of the most amazing runs and finals performances in the history of the finals.
#25 for Carney
(http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20060629/capt.06166140514f43ebb1a1485fab64a004.76ers__draft_carney_basketball_pagw101.jpg)
Quote from: Magical_Retard on June 29, 2006, 05:52:44 PM
he was averaging around 5 turnovers a game yet he had one of the most amazing runs and finals performances in the history of the finals.
that's a great reason not to trade him
Quote from: SunMoTzu on June 29, 2006, 07:07:45 PM
Quote from: Magical_Retard on June 29, 2006, 05:52:44 PM
he was averaging around 5 turnovers a game yet he had one of the most amazing runs and finals performances in the history of the finals.
that's a great reason not to trade him
do u even know what ur talking about? if anything he should be traded because he is one the bst players in the league and thanks to our brilliant front office we have been unable to put the pieces around him to get this team back to the finals....and we have decided to START ALL OVER. thats why u trade him. we are not trading him because he didnt perform...he just came off a 30+ppg 7+apg season. his numbers arent the reason for the trade. the iverson haters just want him gone and now ur stooping to really pointless arguments to make this case. im slowly coming to grips that we are trading and i hope he goes to a team and can win a championship one day but the fact he didnt win one here is not cause of him or supposedly him not being a team player but because we never put a team around him to succeed. one the best players in the history of the league and the AI haters make it seem like he is TO or something.
and my whole point with the assists was that he was playing out of position at PG, when he is really a SG and he managed to average 7+ apg so he can more than adapt and he did that with a team with another star in webber who ppl thought wouldnt work well with AI (webber still averaged 20 pts)
....if he goes to boston or wherever else they wont ask him to play out of position and actually maybe put the right pieces around him.
pointless arguing with u..u hate him
holla
magical, theres no need to rewrite Charlotte's Webb on proving your very valid points. Billy King has proved time and time again that he doesnt have what it takes to be a creative GM in this league...but his ability to to give overpriced contracts out to par players is outstanding
If I were Iverson, I would take 15 more shots a game, because not one of those clowns can make an open jumpshot--or have the balls to.
Other players defense--no comment
i didn't hear it but apparently weirdbeard eskin said the deal will be rondo, g. green and gooden (this is why they are waiting until july 1st) to the sixers wally to Cleveland and a1 to the celtics.
eskin said it and i believe him.
mmmmmmmm rooooooooooonnnnnnnndooooooooeeeeeee
If that were in fact true that would not be a bad deal, but isn't Green a 2/3 much like we already have?
You think that if the Sixers acquire Rondo, he starts immediately at the 1, or do you think Willie Green will be tops on the depth chart there?
C - Dalembert, Hunter
PF - Gooden, Webber
SF - Iguodala, G. Green, B. Jones
SG - Carney, Korver, Williams
PG - W. Green, Rondo, please God get rid of Kevin Ollie
I actually kind of like that as the start of a young team.
i think green is another high flying 2/3...i honestly don't know much about him except that he came right out of high school & he's really skinny.
and i don't think willie green can play pg full time so it would most likely be ollie or rondo...unless they make another move. carney & iggy aren't the kind of guys who create their own shots so the sixers need a pg who can create shots so i think rondo would be an excellent fit.
who's g. green?
http://hoopshype.com/players/gerald_green.htm
so what does July 1 have to do with Gooden?
it's his birthday?
actually i'm not sure...i know byc players can't be traded until july 1 due to some salary cap rule.
new fiscal year Mo--salaries are adjusted under the books
hunt, if you mean create shots for somebody else to shoot your right. Other than that he is a very poor shooter. I like that he is a pure PG and is lightning quick, but time will tell how he will be at the NBA level though--because he will need to score
I think the trade is god awful to be honest. Can anybody else see that there is not one person aside from Webber that can contribute 15 points on a consistent basis on this team--even with the trade? We need a consistent scorer or this team will be a laughing stock
this team is going to be a laughing stock next year, no matter what if they trade AI. this is all about getting younger, quicker, and this team growing in the next 2 or 3 years.
i would love to watch a laughingstock of a team that works their ass off, tries to play defense, and is getting better with each game.
Quote from: SunMoTzu on June 30, 2006, 09:21:42 AM
this team is going to be a laughing stock next year, no matter what if they trade AI. this is all about getting younger, quicker, and this team growing in the next 2 or 3 years.
i would love to watch a laughingstock of a team that works their ass off, tries to play defense, and is getting better with each game.
i think i love you.
it's a normal reaction. i'm very cuddly
see theres your problem...they dont have to be a laughing stock, especially when trading your superstar and they could possibly get a veteran shooter with the other youngbucks.
I dont think you want to see a game that produces 72-80 points on a consistent basis. If you do, the WNBA needs followers. I highly doubt Cheeks and King want a laughing stock on the court
who's the veteran shooter they could get? i'm thinking they'll plug in carney & iggy at sg and sf so i'm not sure where a vet shooter would fit...unless they want to bring carney off the bench.
anyway, i'm all for getting the best possible talent in return for a1....unless they do something like the baron davis trade that was rumored, this team could struggle to score unless iggy really steps it up or carney surprises us as a rook.
Quote from: reese125 on June 30, 2006, 09:38:50 AM
see theres your problem...they dont have to be a laughing stock, especially when trading your superstar and they could possibly get a veteran shooter with the other youngbucks.
I dont think you want to see a game that produces 72-80 points on a consistent basis. If you do, the WNBA needs followers. I highly doubt Cheeks and King want a laughing stock on the court
I don't see what is wrong with them rebuilding next year, you want them to continue to be a fringe playoff team?
theres no question Carney will be coming off the bench. 8pts/game tops, defensive purposes. Ill take it from a rookie
all these rumors, even the Celtics rumors are ridiculous. when a rumor breaks and theres 900 articles about it, it must be truth right. Like mentioned before, this is the biggest trade of Kings life. If he trades AI for the players above...he'll be selling pretzels on the Ben Franklin bridge next year
Drunk, I dont have a problem rebuilding, but lets not get carried away with the word "rebuilding". We have a superstar on the team that you can get significant value for right now. the Sixers still have some good players, and Im comfortable and hopeful with them being very competitive each game next year with the outcome of this trade. Im just praying for a meaningful one that will get them to the playoffs in a few years
If the Bulls traded Jordan when he was 30 (1993 he won the scoring title at 32pts/game), and lets just take the scoring alone here, do you really think he would be traded for G. Green, Rondo and Gooden? Yeah, I laughed too.
I don't think they can expect much better return than Gooden, Rondo, and G. Green at this stage in AI's career. They should have traded him 2-3 years ago. The novelty of his game has worn off, and fans have stopped coming to games to see him, so it's time to get what they can and re-build. Webber is an albatross, but they don't have to let AI become one. Rondo can create a lot of excitement, as can Carney and Iguodala. Dalembert, Gooden, and Webber would be a decent tandem in the C/PF game.
It's probably my favorite of the deals I've heard.
"get what you can" is a schewed mentality to have Patt. off of an one-legged Chris Webber yes, but not a superstar who shows no signs of slowing down. Where is his drop in scoring avg been? So you just dust a 30 pts scorer him under the carpet because your bored of him?
Iverson only scores 30 points a game because he takes 40 shots. He's not a high % shooter, he'll never be a high % shooter, and he's not going to be conducive to a rebuilding effort.
And stop comparing him to Jordan. That's just ridiculous.
Quote from: reese125 on June 30, 2006, 10:29:47 AM
If the Bulls traded Jordan when he was 30 (1993 he won the scoring title at 32pts/game), and lets just take the scoring alone here, do you really think he would be traded for G. Green, Rondo and Gooden? Yeah, I laughed too.
i'm laughing at you comparing iverson to jordan.
i understand your point about the sixers getting as much as possible for a1...and i think that's what king is trying to do. i just don't see a team giving up their "superstar" for iverson. it simply won't happen. and there's no way they keep a1 at this point.
not because you're bored, because you can't win with him. now, that's not blaming him, that's stating a fact. they will not win anything with AI for the rest of his career. so, you deal him because he's your most valuable chip and he can get you pieces to fix the team. you also get rid of him because he's owed 60 million over the next 3 years.
Or, they could keep Iverson and his 30 points a game, watch ticket sales dwindle, and possibly be the 7 or 8 seed in the playoffs and lose in the 1st round... if they're lucky. Let's strive for mediocrity!
jesus christ--repeat--not comparing the two--scoring avg's alone
not to mention this converation just made tangent of the year
Quote from: FFatPatt on June 30, 2006, 10:30:57 AM
I don't think they can expect much better return than Gooden, Rondo, and G. Green at this stage in AI's career. They should have traded him 2-3 years ago. The novelty of his game has worn off, and fans have stopped coming to games to see him, so it's time to get what they can and re-build. Webber is an albatross, but they don't have to let AI become one. Rondo can create a lot of excitement, as can Carney and Iguodala. Dalembert, Gooden, and Webber would be a decent tandem in the C/PF game.
It's probably my favorite of the deals I've heard.
can u please explain that? the novelty of his game has worn off? u dont think it has anything to do with the fact the team isnt that good anymore and we arent competing like we used to be? u dont think it has to do with us going from a championship calibur team to mediocre team over the span of one yr? oh but it must be because Iverson, still producing like he did even then, is boring to the fans now. which ever city the team goes gets a higher attendance just cause the home team is playing against AI. he still generates a buzz and excitement and his jersey is still a top seller. of course the home team wont come to watch a mediocre team like they used to come watch a top tier team.
i still contend that if we had a capable GM who hadnt dug us into this hole we could still add a few pieces and build around Iverson who even at age 30 hasnt slown down one bit. yet king gets to stay for some reason.
Quote from: Magical_Retard on June 30, 2006, 10:53:13 AM
i still contend that if we had a capable GM who hadnt dug us into this hole we could still add a few pieces and build around Iverson who even at age 30 hasnt slown down one bit. yet king gets to stay for some reason.
Great contention. Now explain how in the hell that is even possible. Between Iverson and Webber, there is basically no salary available for anyone else. Dalembert and Korver are tying up quite a bit of dough also. The only one who has any trade value is Iverson, and the fact he hasn't slowed down yet is no reason to believe that he won't in the next 2-3 years.
Quote from: FFatPatt on June 30, 2006, 10:56:02 AM
Quote from: Magical_Retard on June 30, 2006, 10:53:13 AM
i still contend that if we had a capable GM who hadnt dug us into this hole we could still add a few pieces and build around Iverson who even at age 30 hasnt slown down one bit. yet king gets to stay for some reason.
Great contention. Now explain how in the hell that is even possible. Between Iverson and Webber, there is basically no salary available for anyone else. Dalembert and Korver are tying up quite a bit of dough also. The only one who has any trade value is Iverson, and the fact he hasn't slowed down yet is no reason to believe that he won't in the next 2-3 years.
and whos moves was it that got us webber, the big contracts with dalembert, korver, and any other stupid contract we given to mediocre players. sure he isnt isiah but king is a horrible GM.
iverson was supposed to break down long b4 remember? esp the style he plays where he is on the floor than wade. i dont see any signs of him slowing down but who knows he might or might not.
I never said BK was a good GM, but we can't get in a time machine and go undo his mistakes. The team has to move forward, and the only way to do so at this point is to end the Iverson era.
Quote from: FFatPatt on June 30, 2006, 12:56:16 PM
I never said BK was a good GM, but we can't get in a time machine and go undo his mistakes. The team has to move forward, and the only way to do so at this point is to end the Iverson era.
i didnt disagree (cept i think we can still build around iverson) but my point was we arent in this hole cause iverson is a bad player like sun mo was trying to imply as a reason for trading him...my point is we have to start all over cause our front office failed us.
I don't think Sun Mo is a massive BK fan either. You two probably agree more than you think.
The Sixers don't have the worst front office in Philly, and they're about half way up or down (depending on your POV) the food chain in the NBA as a whole. I don't know if they could do much better if they canned BK.
What I do know is that they can't build around Iverson anymore.
Quote from: Magical_Retard on June 30, 2006, 04:19:38 PM
Quote from: FFatPatt on June 30, 2006, 12:56:16 PM
I never said BK was a good GM, but we can't get in a time machine and go undo his mistakes. The team has to move forward, and the only way to do so at this point is to end the Iverson era.
but my point was we arent in this hole cause iverson is a bad player like sun mo was trying to imply as a reason for trading him
i never said or implied that. i said the best thing for the organization is to trade him now because they are at a dead end with him.
Get Hogan!
Quote from: FFatPatt on June 30, 2006, 04:22:18 PM
I don't think Sun Mo is a massive BK fan either. You two probably agree more than you think.
The Sixers don't have the worst front office in Philly, and they're about half way up or down (depending on your POV) the food chain in the NBA as a whole. I don't know if they could do much better if they canned BK.
What I do know is that they can't build around Iverson anymore.
they cant because of the contracts but in terms of a player i still think a team can build around him.
and sun mo i said u implied it because u were bringing up his turnovers when i was saying statistically he had his best season last season and u said thats why we should trade him.
By the time the Sixers get the right pieces around AI to win a title, he's going to be at least 36. It's just going to take too long. By then if he's still the same AI he is now, then he isn't human period. He'd be something pulled from the crash site of the Roswell Incident.
It sucks, because if AI wins, I want him to win here.
I hope they don't drag this out all summer.
BK contacted the agents for Ben Wallace and Jared Jeffries. Chicago is supposedly the leader to land Wallace though...
Neither would want to sign on to this mess.
how would this be a mess if they get wallace and keep Iverson then and trade webber or dalembert.
highly unlikely since they cant pay him what he wants and most likely he will remain in det but wallace would be the perfect player...plays D, rebounds....all the things our big men dont do. sadly sammy doesnt do anything...at least webber can score.
Quote from: MDS on July 01, 2006, 11:54:18 PM
Neither would want to sign on to this mess.
The word on the street is the Sixers can't be beat.
Willie Green, John Salmons and Shavlik Randolph were all made qualifying offers from the Sixers.
Each of them is now a restricted free agent, meaning the Sixers maintain a right of first refusal on offers from other NBA teams. They seem intent on retaining Green and Randolph, but the interest in Salmons may be to use him in a sign-and-trade deal. Jul. 1 - 11:15 am et
According to this site:
www.thebiglead.com
Jay Williams will be a Sixer by tomorrow. Well today technically since it's past midnight.
I hope that is true. Honestly, he may not be the same explosive guy he once was but if he can be a true dish first PG I'll be happy as shtein. Maybe that is why BK didn't address the point in the draft.
So, they still have the same core of guys, but they added Iguodala Jr. and a guy coming off a devastating injury... and they're supposed to be top contenders?
What a farging joke... they needed to tear apart this team and rebuild.
he may not be the same explosive guy he once was
the guy may not ever play again...he definitely will never again be explosive
he definitely will never again be explosive
Other than on a motorcycle hitting a wall at 90mph.
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on July 07, 2006, 08:47:00 AM
he definitely will never again be explosive
Other than on a motorcycle hitting a wall at 90mph.
ZING
Quote from: FFatPatt on July 07, 2006, 07:21:19 AM
So, they still have the same core of guys, but they added Iguodala Jr. and a guy coming off a devastating injury... and they're supposed to be top contenders?
What a farging joke... they needed to tear apart this team and rebuild.
how all of a sudden now did you think they would be top contenders? they added nothing to signify that-- King cant be that dilusional
The point is that they are leaving themselves no hope of being top contenders anytime in the next 3-5 years.
Jay Williams could be explosive again. It's not like he broke his neck. He messed himself up, but it's been like 3 years since he's last played.
He won't be as fresh as he was coming out of Duke, but I think he could be an effective player.
as do i..the boy does have some skills...gonna take him time though--which is fine because the Sixers definitely have that
repeat: he most likely will NEVER play again....so stop thinking he will regain his explosiveness at some point
he severed (that means cut in half) a nerve in his leg and exploded all the ligaments in one knee
give it up with jason williams
Did the Sixers sign him officially yet? :crazy
nope
Bill Simmons' trade value index (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/060707)
Quote"Shhhhhh ... We'll Discuss Him, But You Can't Tell ANYONE"
24. Allen Iverson
A future Hall of Famer who averaged 33 a game is currently available ... and not only do none of the contenders seem to be interested (not even the Bulls, who would have been perfect for him), but the guy shopping him is Billy King, who would have easily clinched "Worst GM of the decade" honors if Isiah Thomas and Kevin McHale never passed through our lives. Is anyone else terrified right now? We could be heading for the sequel of the Barkley-for-Hornacek/Perry/Lang trade here, right down to the poor Sixers fans being involved again.
(Here's a prediction: Within the next 15 years, Philadelphia becomes the first city to ban professional sports for an entire calendar year to preserve everyone's collective safety. We're really getting to that danger point. Hooligans, rioting, you name it.)
There was also this note on omissions from the top 40:
QuoteAndre Iguodala (38 [last year]): Didn't seem to improve enough last season. Of course, if they ever launch a new professional basketball league in which the whole team concept is scrapped and players just have 30-minute individual workouts, followed by judges scoring their performances like figure skaters, Igoudala and Rajon Rondo would probably be the top two picks.
igy why do u think he wont ever play again?
why would anyone sign him if he couldnt play?
according to that link he was about to sign with NJ to backup kidd...if he isnt cleared to play why would he even be signed?
also AI in chicago could have been big for chicago....esp now with ben...they would have def won a championship. they have all the pieces.
Teams (especially desperate ones like the Sixers) may be willing to give Williams a shot at returning by giving him a low-guarantee, incentive-laden contract. But, realistically, the chances of him making any serious contribution have to be considered low.
He is attempting to come back from a catatrophic injury. A comeback is a longshot- a comeback to any kind of elite level would be a miracle.
igy why do u think he wont ever play again?
i said he probably wont
see geo's post
again tho two words: severed nerve
Quote from: BigEd76 on July 07, 2006, 04:40:47 PM
nope
Bill Simmons' trade value index (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/060707)
Quote"Shhhhhh ... We'll Discuss Him, But You Can't Tell ANYONE"
24. Allen Iverson
A future Hall of Famer who averaged 33 a game is currently available ... and not only do none of the contenders seem to be interested (not even the Bulls, who would have been perfect for him), but the guy shopping him is Billy King, who would have easily clinched "Worst GM of the decade" honors if Isiah Thomas and Kevin McHale never passed through our lives. Is anyone else terrified right now? We could be heading for the sequel of the Barkley-for-Hornacek/Perry/Lang trade here, right down to the poor Sixers fans being involved again.
(Here's a prediction: Within the next 15 years, Philadelphia becomes the first city to ban professional sports for an entire calendar year to preserve everyone's collective safety. We're really getting to that danger point. Hooligans, rioting, you name it.)
There was also this note on omissions from the top 40:
QuoteAndre Iguodala (38 [last year]): Didn't seem to improve enough last season. Of course, if they ever launch a new professional basketball league in which the whole team concept is scrapped and players just have 30-minute individual workouts, followed by judges scoring their performances like figure skaters, Igoudala and Rajon Rondo would probably be the top two picks.
That was also just as awesome when I posted it earlier today on the NBA thread.
Jay Williams had really good workouts with teams. His shot supposedly is a lot better and he's in great shape. They did a lot of 3 on 3 drills.
i trust igy's medical opinion...i mean, why wouldn't i?
anyway...this offseason is boring as hell. i suspect king has something brewing that can't be announced until 7/12 so that's why it's so quiet. he knows that a1 becomes TO if they bring him back this season. he'll be outta here soon...most likely to a team we never expected.
Quote from: hunt on July 08, 2006, 06:32:01 AM
i trust igy's medical opinion...i mean, why wouldn't i?
anyway...this offseason is boring as hell. i suspect king has something brewing that can't be announced until 7/12 so that's why it's so quiet. he knows that a1 becomes TO if they bring him back this season. he'll be outta here soon...most likely to a team we never expected.
Iverson to Miami for Dwyane Wade?
Holla.
I'd trade the entire team to Miami for Dwayne Wade.
Sixers summer camp roster (http://www.nba.com/sixers/news/minicamp_060707.html)
Steven Smith (LaSalle), Louis Williams, the three draft picks from this year, and a bunch of no-names....
I just got back from vacation where I had no way of finding any info, and I went through all the posts since I left, and the only rumor is signing Jay farging Williams. Awesome.
Apparantly Billy King went to sleep the night before the draft thinking he had Foye. Dalembert and Korver were involved in the deal. I have no idea if this is new news, but I'm just passing it along.
BK said he had a cameron crazy in his pocket for Foye the day after.
I am glad to see them get Steven Smith from LaSalle. I hope he sticks. He's automatically better now than Matt Barnes and/or Mike Bradley.
today's rumor is a1 to denver.
either a1 for miller and camby....or a1 & korver for miller and martin.
Quote from: hunt on July 09, 2006, 08:04:26 AM
today's rumor is a1 to denver.
either a1 for miller and camby....or a1 & korver for miller and martin.
Sold.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on July 09, 2006, 08:11:20 AM
Quote from: hunt on July 09, 2006, 08:04:26 AM
today's rumor is a1 to denver.
either a1 for miller and camby....or a1 & korver for miller and martin.
Sold.
there's also speculation that denver would include a pick since they have 4 picks next year.
You sure we can't get Greg Buckner back in that deal?!? :poison
eh what an awful deal
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 09, 2006, 10:20:29 AM
eh what an awful deal
yup.
Kenyon Martin is the next Chris Webber. oft injured with a contract that makes you wanna throw up.
LA Times (http://www.latimes.com/sports/basketball/nba/clippers/la-sp-heisler9jul09,1,3893480.column?page=2&coll=la-headlines-sports-nba-clippe&ctrack=1&cset=true)
QuoteThe line for Iverson starts here, or should.
Right now, the leading bidders look like Boston (offering Al Jefferson, Gerald Green, Sebastian Telfair, or anyone but Paul Pierce), Atlanta (Josh Smith, Marvin Williams and/or Al Harrington) and Golden State (pick any three).
No way Atlanta is offering all three of those...
Carney and Jones signed today
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on July 09, 2006, 08:11:20 AM
Quote from: hunt on July 09, 2006, 08:04:26 AM
today's rumor is a1 to denver.
either a1 for miller and camby....or a1 & korver for miller and martin.
Sold.
You'd have to be insane to do that deal. That neither makes the Sixers better, makes them younger or cuts big salaries. Nor does it make them healthier. That would be an awful deal. The Sixers need to load up on young talent.
Trade Weberson.
the miller/martin deal is basically a 1-1 swap--AI for miller- cause you damn sure know Martin's durability is a joke. If King makes that deal, he should be brutally beatin and dropped off in Kensington
Right now, the leading bidders look like Boston (offering Al Jefferson, Gerald Green, Sebastian Telfair, or anyone but Paul Pierce), Atlanta (Josh Smith, Marvin Williams and/or Al Harrington) and Golden State (pick any three).
if these potential deals have even a half truth to them then i am pleasently surprised in that they are going to get more than i thought...in fact i do any and all of them right this second...
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 09, 2006, 07:45:28 PM
Right now, the leading bidders look like Boston (offering Al Jefferson, Gerald Green, Sebastian Telfair, or anyone but Paul Pierce), Atlanta (Josh Smith, Marvin Williams and/or Al Harrington) and Golden State (pick any three).
if these potential deals have even a half truth to them then i am pleasently surprised in that they are going to get more than i thought...in fact i do any and all of them right this second...
I agree 100%, if they do the one with Denver I will boycott the Sixers until King gets fired. That of course probally means we will see that deal
If Billy King acquires Kenyon Martin he should be shot and his body dumped in the Delaware.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on July 10, 2006, 03:04:50 AM
If Billy King acquires Kenyon Martin he should be shot and his body dumped in the Delaware.
That should have happened a long time ago.
I just dont understand the "pick any 3" nonsense for Golden State--like they are so willing to bump any 3 guys. The Boston trade I dislike because although Al Jefferson will be a nice force inside, Telfair is questionable. Even after his thumb fully healed, he still couldnt make the starting squad on Portland behind Steve Blake. Thats worrisome right there.
Atlanta trade i love. Josh Smith played like He-Man the second half of last season and he Harrington would make this team nice for years to come. The only problem I feel is that Harrington will fall to Indiana.
chris ford is coming back as an asst coach...it will be announced after a1 is traded. :yay
Quote from: hunt on July 10, 2006, 10:55:48 AM
chris ford is coming back as an asst coach...it will be announced after a1 is traded. :yay
So, it will be announced never?
QuoteGreen, a fourth-year pro, is expected to agree to a five-year, $16 million deal similar to one he was on the verge of signing when he tore his left ACL playing summer league ball in Detroit last July.
"We're real close," Green said on Sunday night. "Everything's going smooth. We're trying to finish up the last little details."
whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
that's a nothing contract, not a big deal really
BK should be burned at the stake before this deal is made.
yeah that deal is nothing...if anything its a good thing...ties up a young player at a very small price...which makes him very tradable and in turn allows for him to be included in deals that need salary matching
Quote from: FFatPatt on July 10, 2006, 11:24:46 AM
Quote from: hunt on July 10, 2006, 10:55:48 AM
chris ford is coming back as an asst coach...it will be announced after a1 is traded. :yay
So, it will be announced never?
i'd love to watch a1 implode when he finds out that the coach he quit on is coming back....but he'll be gone by then.
oh well.
and the green signing is crap, imo....too many years for a guy who's nothing special. it doesn't kill them financially though. i'll be a lot angrier if they decide to bring salmons back.
So do a 2/$6M deal instead. He's already been burned with these stupid long contracts too many times....
i don't even remember chris ford being the coach.
He took over 3 years ago when Ayers was fired...
Quote from: hunt on July 10, 2006, 10:55:48 AM
chris ford is coming back as an asst coach...it will be announced after a1 is traded. :yay
Where did you hear this little nugget?
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on July 10, 2006, 12:16:16 PM
Quote from: hunt on July 10, 2006, 10:55:48 AM
chris ford is coming back as an asst coach...it will be announced after a1 is traded. :yay
Where did you hear this little nugget?
i read it on the intronet.
definitely true, btw.
Eskin said it
Quote from: BigEd76 on July 10, 2006, 12:39:42 PM
Eskin said it
That AI would be traded soon, or that Chris Ford will be hired?
The Ford thing. He also said last night that AI probably won't be traded until September and likely to a west coast team...
The Ford thing. He also said last night that AI probably won't be traded until September and likely to a west coast team...
So, Ford won't be announced until after September? Ha!
King continues to absolutly suck.
http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/sports/15009388.htm
Do we have any picks next year? I dont really understand this chart.
http://nbadraft.net/trades.asp
Our 1st if it's in the lottery, and Chicago's 2nd from the Sefolosha/Carney trade
So we traded our 2007 2nd rounder for Jones? It would have been a better idea to trade Chicago's, our is going to be alot higher most likely.
Then what happens with our 1st to GS if we have a lottery pick next year?
Not sure if there was a "lower of the 2 picks" thing on that 2nd rder or what, so it could be Chicago's......
Less lottery protection in 2008...probably top 5 or top 8 instead of top 14...
Tom Moore is reporting that the Salmons deal to Phoenix is done...2nd rd pick and a trade exception (either $1.8M or $3.6M) that has to be used this year. The Suns will then sign Salmons to a 5 year, $22M deal... :-D
He also says BK is not interested in Kenyon Martin, Marbury, Ratliff, Szczerbiak or Troy Murphy, and it could take as many as 4 teams to trade AI...
i have a feeling that BK is petrified of making a bad deal for AI and that might be enough for him just to keep him here
How many times a day do you think Billy King hears the words "Jeff Hornacek" and "Roy Hinson?"
Of course he's scared shteinless.
Sixers Eye Foster
Jul 12 - The Philadelphia Daily News reports the Sixers had asked about the availability of Indiana forward Jeff Foster.
Warrriors Not Interested in A.I.
Jul 12 - The San Francisco Chronicle reports two sources indicated the Golden State Warriors will not pursue Allen Iverson, whom the Sixers have put on the trading block. According to the newspaper, the Warriors appear to be gambling that Baron Davis can remain healthy for an entire season.
Salmons Must Decide: Suns Or Raptors
Jul 12 - The Toronto Star reports the Raptors, who have plenty of room under the salary cap are trying desperately to sign John Salmons, who is a restricted free agent with the 76ers to an offer sheet.
As reported yesterday, the Phoenix Suns are working on a sign-and-trade deal with the Sixers to get Salmons. His first-year salary could be $3.7 million if he took the Suns offer
The Raptors are geniuses.
IN non-trade news. sixers resign Shavlik Randolph and Willie Green. I'm not sure on the Willie Green, but I like them resigning Shavlik.
BK said Salmons will not be back and it was time for a change of scenery for him...
Salmons is a vadge anyways.
Booohooo...they make fun of me when I miss shots.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on July 13, 2006, 04:51:45 AM
Salmons has a vadge anyways.
Booohooo...they make fun of me when I miss shots.
Agreed.
Quote from: BigEd76 on July 13, 2006, 12:33:46 AM
BK said Salmons will not be back and it was time for a change of scenery for him...
good
foster wouldnt be a bad addition as long as we dont overpay him.
he does the dirty work that webber would never do.
CSN said Johnny chose Toronto.
He did not choose wisely.
Should've went to PHX and played in that run and gun.
Either way he is getting a gift in the form of $23M.
Better for us.
Toronto sucks = #31 or #32 pick in draft
Phoenix = #59 or #60 pick in draft
Quote from: BigEd76 on July 13, 2006, 08:22:52 PM
Better for us.
Toronto sucks = #31 or #32 pick in draft
Phoenix = #59 or #60 pick in draft
What does the trade exemption do?
http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#68
It basically allows teams over the salary cap to complete trades...
Check out this whopper. (http://www.ezekielbearsports.com/index.php...p;Itemid=1)
:-D
:paranoid
The Philadelphia Seventy-Sixers
stopped reading
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 14, 2006, 07:58:19 AM
The Philadelphia Seventy-Sixers
stopped reading
Good plan. It's more likely that you have a black grandfather than that rumor even being half true.
thats true but i stopped not because of the wildness of the rumor but because the guy wrote out 76'ers
As far as rumors go, that one was at least creative.
I mean, come on...
8 Teams, 19 players = awesome.
:yay
I'm waiting for the first 30-team-89-player deal.
I had a dream lastnight Webber was traded. I can't remember where to or for who but in my dreams some team was dumb enough to take him.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on July 14, 2006, 11:12:12 AM
I had a dream lastnight Webber was traded. I can't remember where to or for who but in my dreams some team was dumb enough to take him.
The Raptors want that Salmons-Webber 1-2 punch.
The trade of Salmons to Toronto for a 2nd rounder was just made official. Honestly, why the hell do they need him. At SG they have Morris Peterson (who is wildly inconsistent but very good) and PJ Tucker. At SF there is Joey Graham and PJ Tucker too (and Bargnani might play SF every once and awhile.)
salmons isnt a shooting guard....he will compete for pg play
they just lost mike james and are hurting at that position
So, he'll get in there and compete, and we'll see how things go there?
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 14, 2006, 03:04:51 PM
salmons isnt a shooting guard....he will compete for pg play
they just lost mike james and are hurting at that position
I dont think "hurting" is the word, but unproven. TJ Ford is the starter there undoubtedly but he has an injury history, and Jose Calderon is pretty good.
well im not saying hes an answer at any position...just that when he does play it almost exclusively will be at the one...he will give them nice size there coming off the bench
http://www.philly.com/mld/dailynews/sports/15035927.htm
can someone copy and paste the text to this article? i can't see the site.
QuoteWebber still feels unappreciated over flap at final home game
By PHIL JASNER
jasnerp@phillynews.com
Nearly 3 months after the fact, it turns out that Chris Webber appreciated the 76ers' Fan Appreciation Night even less than the fans did.
That was the night of the Sixers' final regular-season home game. Webber and Allen Iverson arrived at the Wachovia Center just as the ball was going up against the New Jersey Nets. Neither Webber nor Iverson made an appearance, either to sit on the bench or acknowledge the crowd.
They didn't play the following night in Charlotte, either, in the last game of the season.
"It's over, but if you want the truth, I was made to be a scapegoat," Webber said in an interview on Comcast SportsNet's "Daily News Live."
Webber was speaking from Lake Tahoe, Nev., and will be in Las Vegas from July 28-30 for his "Bada Bling" charity event, designed to raise funds for his foundation.
"I was there the whole game," Webber said. "If you wanted me to come out, I could've come out. I'm a professional if anything, and No. 1, I appreciate my fans more than anything... If I was there the whole game and if I was asked to do something, I very well could have done it.
"The last 5 years, I've probably been hurt two Fan Appreciation Nights, and in Sacramento there's never been a problem. To make it look like I didn't do that for the fans, that ticked me off."
Reached last night, Sixers president and general manager Billy King said in an e-mail response: "Chris was not made a scapegoat. It is unfortunate he feels that way. As an organization, we all have a responsibility to our fans."
Webber said the Sixers knew that neither he nor Iverson would play the final two games, because the team had already been eliminated from qualifying for the playoffs.
Webber, saying he wasn't up to date on the swirling Iverson trade rumors and what the organization was attempting to do, said, as a generalization, "When I was in that situation, that I felt that I had given everything above and beyond what I was called to do [for] an organization... when you hear rumors, any player, you really don't like that.
"So I can just imagine, being all that [Iverson] has done for the city of Philadelphia and the organization, for him to hear the rumors, I'm sure, feels like a slight."
Iverson has scheduled a 4 p.m. news conference today in Washington to promote his charity weekend in that area, including a celebrity softball game tomorrow night, but has indicated he also will address issues with the Sixers.
Webber said Iverson is the reason he agreed to be traded to the Sixers from the Kings a season-and-a-half ago.
"He's the one that called," Webber said. "He's the one that made the trade. I had a [no-]trade clause. I had to accept the trade; people really have to remember that. If I would have said no, the trade wouldn't have happened. He called me later and said his mother was going to cook for me...
"It was because of him, and him only. I'm loyal to a fault, as my mother would say. He's a great player; he brought me there, and hopefully he doesn't have to go."
Whatever might come next, Webber, 33, said: "I plan on playing 4 more years, and I don't have time to rebuild, I don't want to rebuild, I don't want to teach anybody, I don't want to bring anybody up. I want to win a championship. That's what I want to do. I want to win a championship."
thanks
Webber is a bitch. I wish Bill Lambeer would come out of retirement to headbutt everyone to death.
Webber is a bitch
i remember on the WU i tried telling everyone that the day they traded for him...that it was an awful move and he was one of the most bitchmade athletes ever...but no one listened to the gawd
I'd rather have CWebb than Kenny Thomas and Brian Skinner.
Me too. Considering his contract can get dumped in a few years, and Kenny just came off of a long ass deal.
Quote from: Dillen37 on July 14, 2006, 02:26:32 PM
The trade of Salmons to Toronto for a 2nd rounder was just made official. Honestly, why the hell do they need him. At SG they have Morris Peterson (who is wildly inconsistent but very good) and PJ Tucker. At SF there is Joey Graham and PJ Tucker too (and Bargnani might play SF every once and awhile.)
Salmons is going to prove a lot of people in this town wrong, thats why. They'll find a spot for him.
so did iverson have that press conference in washington?
Yeah, has the 8-team blockbuster been announced yet?
I'd rather have CWebb than Kenny Thomas and Brian Skinner.
youre nuts...webber is whiny bitchmade pathetic excuse for an athlete....hes cowered in big spots his whole career even when he was good...now he is worthless for the whole game and on top of that is the highest paid player in the nba making him untradeable...having to sit thru one season of him is unbearable...but three seasons...hes more sickening than pat burrell and thats saying something
i much rather be watching kenny thomas who plays and plays hard every nite and only makes six mil a year
Kenny Thomas is a whiner too. He whined about playing time here amongst other things and isn't a full out effort guy everynight.
he whined because he deserved more playing time than he got...and he was right...no one has ever questioned his effort anywhere hes ever been...his production yes...but not his effort...hes by no means a great player but id take him everyday over the disgrace that webber is
I'd take Kenny as a player over Webber too, but man, getting rid of that huge contract Webber has is going to feel so good. Like taking a huge shtein after a big Thanksgiving meal.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on July 14, 2006, 07:37:58 PM
Salmons is going to prove a lot of people in this town wrong, thats why. They'll find a spot for him.
prove what, that he sucks more than he showed here? he is awful.
Quote from: SunMoTzu on July 15, 2006, 07:10:37 PM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on July 14, 2006, 07:37:58 PM
Salmons is going to prove a lot of people in this town wrong, thats why. They'll find a spot for him.
prove what, that he sucks more than he showed here? he is awful.
He's not a bad player he just wasn't utilized the right way here. He's going to do well in Toronto, than a bunch of people like yourself are going to call King an idiot for getting rid of him. Hit me back in 2 and we'll talk.
i agree sd
he was a convienant target in philly
he has talent and will do well in toronto
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 15, 2006, 11:47:06 PM
i agree sd
he was a convienant target in philly
he has talent and will do well in toronto
what talent? he can't shoot, he can't handle, he can't play d. when i say he "can't" i mean none of those skills were at an NBA level.
He's about on par with Raja Bell. Or at least that's the best he can hope for.
Quote from: SunMoTzu on July 16, 2006, 08:55:42 AM
what talent? he can't shoot, he can't handle, he can't play d. when i say he "can't" i mean none of those skills were at an NBA level.
He does everything pretty well, he just wasn't given the chance here or utilized the correct way. Like I said, hit me up in 2 and we'll talk.
that bitchmade punk iverson was whining about not wanting to be a sixer if the team doesn't really want him....boo friggin' hoo...his millionaire kids sat up watching the draft hoping he wasn't traded so they wouldn't have to move into a mansion in another city. :'(
back to salmons...he has the talent to succeed but i have yet to see him show the heart to excel on the nba level.
also, there is an a1 to seattle "rumor" floating around....it would be iverson for ridnour, rashard lewis, & filler.
so add that one to the list of a1 rumors that will most likely never happen.
Iverson showed up to his charity softball game in a powder blue Dale Murphy jersey...."Atlanta 3". hmmm
You picked the wrong player to think wearing vintage jerseys means anything. Iverson has a large collection.
lol he was whining? is this the same interview where he was speaking from some espn zone? cause if thats the one ur talking about then it obviously shows ur bias. he mentioned that yeah it hurts to be always hearing trade rumors....but he also said how he knows how hard billy king has it and its a business and he has to do the best for the team and if that means moving him than he accepts that and then they asked him where he would like to play and he said any team that appreciates his talents.
and about the kids im sure its hard to move to any new area no matter how rich they are.....new school and stuff. seriously how is this whining? the AI hate is strong.
Quote from: Magical_Retard on July 16, 2006, 07:56:51 PM
the AI hate is strong.
about as strong as your blind loyalty
right its bling loyalty when im calling him out for what he calls whining where iverson himself admits bk has a hard job and a hard decision to make and he understands its a business. cause thats blind loyalty. blind loyalty would have been distorting the interview like the haters do.
why do you even discuss iverson with hunt...i stopped long ago...he has an obvious hatred for the guy...which is his right but he also cannot be taken serious in any discusion regarding allen
Quote from: Magical_Retard on July 17, 2006, 08:55:55 AM
right its bling loyalty when im calling him out for what he calls whining where iverson himself admits bk has a hard job and a hard decision to make and he understands its a business. cause thats blind loyalty. blind loyalty would have been distorting the interview like the haters do.
i wasn't talking specifically about this instance, but in general, you are the biggest AI apologist here. he does nothing wrong in your eyes, while he does nothing right in Hunt's.
Quote from: SunMoTzu on July 17, 2006, 09:05:35 AM
Quote from: Magical_Retard on July 17, 2006, 08:55:55 AM
right its bling loyalty when im calling him out for what he calls whining where iverson himself admits bk has a hard job and a hard decision to make and he understands its a business. cause thats blind loyalty. blind loyalty would have been distorting the interview like the haters do.
i wasn't talking specifically about this instance, but in general, you are the biggest AI apologist here. he does nothing wrong in your eyes, while he does nothing right in Hunt's.
liar...he does some things right.
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ha
btw.....shavlik with 25 friday nite and louis williams with 27 sat nite in wins for the sixers summer league team
First question of Bill Simmons' mailbag (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/060714):
QuoteQ: I am a long-suffering Philadelphia sports fan. Waiting for Billy King to pull the trigger on an Iverson trade is like watching your girlfriend drink too much at a party. You KNOW she is going to eventually blow chunks. There is no doubt. It's gonna happen. And it's gonna be ugly. The real question is, where? Do you dare hold out hope that she finds her way to a toilet? Or do you brace yourself for the inevitable ride home ... where she proceeds to redecorate the interior of your car with bits of fish taco and the stench of tequila?
--Brendon, Philadelphia
Quality.
P.S. Read the whole mailbag. Some truly funny stuff.
Q: If a fan of yours approached you at a Clippers game next year and said, "I'm a big fan, here's a token of my appreciation," and handed you an envelope containing a key to one of those airport lockers, would you go get whatever it was?
--H. Anderson, Corpus Christi, Texas
SG: (Afraid to say anything.)
:-D
Quote from: SunMoTzu on July 17, 2006, 09:05:35 AM
Quote from: Magical_Retard on July 17, 2006, 08:55:55 AM
right its bling loyalty when im calling him out for what he calls whining where iverson himself admits bk has a hard job and a hard decision to make and he understands its a business. cause thats blind loyalty. blind loyalty would have been distorting the interview like the haters do.
i wasn't talking specifically about this instance, but in general, you are the biggest AI apologist here. he does nothing wrong in your eyes, while he does nothing right in Hunt's.
when did i say he can do no wrong? i would like to think that while im a fan of Iverson i know he has done stupid crap in the past and prolly in the future. but ive also seen how some ppl have it out for him.
but yeah i caught a glimpse of some show espn...i think it was PTI when it does some concluding segment on sportscenter and they were discussing mo cheeks saying something about iverson coming back? i didnt hear it cause i was on the way out but did anyone catch that? what was that about?
Quote from: Magical_Retard on July 19, 2006, 02:26:45 AM
Quote from: SunMoTzu on July 17, 2006, 09:05:35 AM
Quote from: Magical_Retard on July 17, 2006, 08:55:55 AM
right its bling loyalty when im calling him out for what he calls whining where iverson himself admits bk has a hard job and a hard decision to make and he understands its a business. cause thats blind loyalty. blind loyalty would have been distorting the interview like the haters do.
i wasn't talking specifically about this instance, but in general, you are the biggest AI apologist here. he does nothing wrong in your eyes, while he does nothing right in Hunt's.
when did i say he can do no wrong? i would like to think that while im a fan of Iverson i know he has done stupid crap in the past and prolly in the future. but ive also seen how some ppl have it out for him.
but yeah i caught a glimpse of some show espn...i think it was PTI when it does some concluding segment on sportscenter and they were discussing mo cheeks saying something about iverson coming back? i didnt hear it cause i was on the way out but did anyone catch that? what was that about?
Basically, Cheecks said that he expects to be coaching Iverson in Philly next season. Wilbon (or was is LeBatard?) then made a comment that it wasn't guarenteed that either would be in Philly.
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the third leading scorer in the utah summer league for the 4-0 sixers...the only team undefeated in the league
Start the title talk, baby!
Quote from: Geowhizzer on July 19, 2006, 08:10:37 AM
Quote from: Magical_Retard on July 19, 2006, 02:26:45 AM
Quote from: SunMoTzu on July 17, 2006, 09:05:35 AM
Quote from: Magical_Retard on July 17, 2006, 08:55:55 AM
right its bling loyalty when im calling him out for what he calls whining where iverson himself admits bk has a hard job and a hard decision to make and he understands its a business. cause thats blind loyalty. blind loyalty would have been distorting the interview like the haters do.
i wasn't talking specifically about this instance, but in general, you are the biggest AI apologist here. he does nothing wrong in your eyes, while he does nothing right in Hunt's.
when did i say he can do no wrong? i would like to think that while im a fan of Iverson i know he has done stupid crap in the past and prolly in the future. but ive also seen how some ppl have it out for him.
but yeah i caught a glimpse of some show espn...i think it was PTI when it does some concluding segment on sportscenter and they were discussing mo cheeks saying something about iverson coming back? i didnt hear it cause i was on the way out but did anyone catch that? what was that about?
Basically, Cheecks said that he expects to be coaching Iverson in Philly next season. Wilbon (or was is LeBatard?) then made a comment that it wasn't guarenteed that either would be in Philly.
what? cheeks job is on the line?
QuoteSalmons won't be a Raptor
By PHIL JASNER
jasnerp@phillynews.com
John Salmons is not going to Toronto. Not even for $23 million. The 76ers restricted free agent made that clear through agent Joel Bell.
Salmons, a 4-year veteran, was to have gone to the Raptors in a sign-and-trade deal in which the Sixers were to receive a second-round draft choice and the creation of a $2 million trade exception that would have been good for 1 calendar year.
Salmons had opted for the Raptors rather than the Phoenix Suns, who were prepared to pay him $22 million. Both arrangements would have been for five seasons.
"Upon reviewing the basketball situation in Toronto, John decided it's not the best basketball fit for him," said Bell, who also represents the Sixers' Shavlik Randolph and rookie Bobby Jones. "In a very stressful and tough decision, he decide he could not accept the opportunity to play for the Raptors, even though he was excited about the prospect of being in Toronto and looking forward to it."
The Suns are no longer an option for him, since they signed free agent Marcus Banks to a 5-year, $21 million contract. The Sixers have rescinded their qualifying offer, making him an unrestricted free agent.
"We're looking at whatever options are available," Bell said.
Raptors general manager Bryan Colangelo told the Toronto Star: "I sorry it didn't work out; I wish him the best."
What? Did a Raptor laugh at him and cause him to cry and be scared about going there?
Nice job on this one. He fargs the Sixers out of a draft pick and a trade exception.
I hope he blows his knees out.
no dude, he's totally gonna be awesome next year.
What the farg.
cheeks job is on the line?
bring back larry brown?
lolamirite?
Phoenix doesn't want him anymore, so Salmons now has no team, no job and no $23M. Brilliant!
Quote from: Magical_Retard on July 22, 2006, 03:58:47 PM
cheeks job is on the line?
bring back larry brown?
lolamirite?
M_R, I couldn't respond to this thread for a few days due to the board gremlins.
I think it was LeBetard with total speculation about that. It was an offhanded comment by an idiot. I wouldn't worry too much about it.
Salmons that is incredibly accurate turned down 23 mil because he didnt want to play for toronto. what a dork.
I hope he gets a 2M offer and thats it.
And then blows his knees out.
Quote from: MDS on July 23, 2006, 01:26:06 AM
Salmons that is incredibly accurate turned down 23 mil because he didnt want to play for toronto. what a dork.
he probably thought it was $23mil in Canadien $.
things are quiet on the a1 front....based on the reported offers, teams won't take him unless the sixers agree to take on a longer, bad contract in return.
so much for being a league icon...nobody even wants him...i wonder why ???
so much for being a league icon...nobody even wants him...i wonder why
you really have to ask???
hes a under six foot shooting guard in his 30's
hes not going to command a lot right now
Quote from: dis12 on July 23, 2006, 06:59:56 PM
Quote from: MDS on July 23, 2006, 01:26:06 AM
Salmons that is incredibly accurate turned down 23 mil because he didnt want to play for toronto. what a dork.
he probably thought it was $23mil in Canadien $.
Sadly, the difference isn't all that great these days.
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 24, 2006, 08:38:38 AM
so much for being a league icon...nobody even wants him...i wonder why
you really have to ask???
hes a under six foot shooting guard in his 30's
hes not going to command a lot right now
no its because he is a cancer and no team would want him.
Quote from: Magical_Retard on July 24, 2006, 09:29:10 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 24, 2006, 08:38:38 AM
so much for being a league icon...nobody even wants him...i wonder why
you really have to ask???
hes a under six foot shooting guard in his 30's
hes not going to command a lot right now
no its because he is a cancer and no team would want him.
we've already established that no team wants him...look at the offers so far. :boo
and stop insulting cancer.
no team wants him for what the sixers want in return. for the sixers they dont want another barkley, yet no one is going to give up any young up and coming talent for a guy everyone predicts will decline with a yr or 2. no one wants him? im sure plenty of teams want him as boston even made a serious push, gs, atl, and im sure others we havent heard about. just cause it hasnt been done doesnt mean anything cept the sixers didnt accept the offers as good enough.
no...they don't want him.
they're only offering longer bad contracts in return for a1...that's what it has come to. he's a shorter contract for a team looking to dump a long term bad deal.
phew. :boo
maybe another offer will surface....if not, i'd reconsider the boston deal. ratliff is washed up but he only has 2 years left on his deal so i'd look at him and some combination of jefferson, green, telfair, rondo, west...whatever they can get.
in 2 years, theo & igy's boy come off the cap.
A lot of teams want AI, it's just a matter of what they would give up. No one respects Billy King, so he's going to get bad offers. That's how deals work. You start off with your worst offer and work your way up. You don't start by offering the whole house, you start small. Eventually AI will be traded. Right now the offers aren't big. Eventually they will get bigger when teams realize the Sixers are ready to start the season with him.
Quote from: Bunkley78 on July 24, 2006, 05:52:06 PM
Eventually AI will be traded.
i bet you he starts the year on the team
I think he will too.
Salmons signs with Sacramento. No compensation for us. yay
Why the hell havent they traded Dalembert yet? He sucks.
who the hell would want him?
http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/15120083.htm
Iverson not being traded.
Jasner was on Daily News Live and said Billy King told him he fully expects AI to be here next year. He said that unless the Cavs come out and offer Lebron for AI out something crazy, then AI will most likely be here.
sweet.
sweet? being below average and maybe making an 8 seed is sweet?
they are gonna miss the playoffs with or without iverson and if they cant get anything for him id much rather him finish his career with the team than have another barkley debacle
for the most part, i agree. however, with him, and with the East being a weak, they could sneak into that 8 spot and mess that up.
however, i would classify not being able to get anything as everyone offering garbage long-term contracts. if he can get zesty players but with expiring contracts, he should do that. they are going to have to blow this thing up sometime, every year that he is year is just prolonging that task.
Quote from: SunMoTzu on July 26, 2006, 08:40:06 AM
for the most part, i agree. however, with him, and with the East being a weak, they could sneak into that 8 spot and mess that up.
however, i would classify not being able to get anything as everyone offering garbage long-term contracts. if he can get zesty players but with expiring contracts, he should do that. they are going to have to blow this thing up sometime, every year that he is year is just prolonging that task.
yep
crock of $htein by Billy King. Ive never seen a more scared GM in my life. "Ive asked Allen if he wants to be here....blah blah blah". Whats he gonna say genius?
sport #2 to ban this year
Kings just covering his own ass, I'm sure he shopped AI and got zesty offers in return and is now trying to save face.
I think I may start rooting for the Magic, just until the Sixers fire Billy King.
yeah considering they didnt get any good deals what is billy to say "we tried to get rid of him but since we couldnt we will keep him" or will he say something more positive and spin it?
He manages to farg up even the simplest things.
I don't think I've ever posted in a Phillies thread.
One small step towards omnipresence, one huge leap towards utter depravity.
Quote from: FFatPatt on July 26, 2006, 01:33:21 PM
I think I may start rooting for the Magic, just until the Sixers fire Billy King.
Did anyone read SAS's column today?
Nailed the situation dead on the head. The Sixers are a mess and them keeping Iverson assures that they'll remain that way for a long time to come.
QuoteRe: Sixers offseason
Quote from: Diomedes on July 26, 2006, 08:38:29 PM
I don't think I've ever posted in a Phillies thread.
Wow, you're really retarded tonight, huh?
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on July 26, 2006, 09:03:22 PM
Quote from: FFatPatt on July 26, 2006, 01:33:21 PM
I think I may start rooting for the Magic, just until the Sixers fire Billy King.
Did anyone read SAS's column today?
Nailed the situation dead on the head. The Sixers are a mess and them keeping Iverson assures that they'll remain that way for a long time to come.
Sounds like I don't have to read it unless I really enjoy nodding.
can someone post the article?
I BELIEVE STEPHEN A SMITH BECAUSE HE TALKS LOUD!
After the 2007-2008 season, Chris Webber's $22 million salary will fall off the Sixers' salary cap. Iverson will only have one more year remaining on his contract, and even so, entering the 2008-09 season, the Sixers will be some $13 or 14 million under the cap -- that's with Iverson on the roster.
stuff your hats and Sixers jerseys in a nice big tupperware bin under your bed and prepare for 2010 gentleman, you wont be needing them for a while
stuff your hats and Sixers jerseys in a nice big tupperware bin under your bed and prepare for 2010 gentleman, you wont be needing them for a while
welcome to two years ago and the day they traded for webber
I think the org and the city has some bigger expectations when they were able to pick up a 20/10 guy to compliment Iverson. It wasnt until we realized that he was Terry Fox and Dalembert really is Shawn Bradleys cousin
I think the org and the city has some bigger expectations
the organization and city are stupid then
webber couldnt move when he was on sacramento and was only going to get worse...everyone on earth knew this except for apparently the sixers...
webber as you say was a 20/10 guy and loved everything about sacramento...with that being the case why you think the kings were willing to take pure garbage in return for him
King said the knee had been a concern but "we did a lot of homework on it and we felt comfortable with it."
well blame the trade on the Philly doctors then
anytime you have a chance to add an all-star with an all-star you do it, and webber still shows the 20/10 numbers, but the Sixers lack of D and cast of players are pathetic. things could be alot better if there were others who had an inch of consistent contribution. I dont blame Webber entirely, as his efforts are only 1/4th of the problem
webber contributed on offense just fine i believe..its the D that is horrible. dalembert is not the force in the middle we need to block shots and rebound.
we need defensive help bad.
I've just about had it with Webber and his 5/16 shooting nights. He's a disgrace.
Webber is the softest 20/10 player in the history of basketball.
He wasn't worth a warm bucket of piss then and the Kings had to be laughing their balls off at the fact that they conned the Sixers into taking his useless ass off their hands.
ridiculous statements made by you and Bunkley. when you get 20/10 just about every night, your doing your job--not his earlier days but close enough. Now that the Sixers have been sucking ass, its easy to voice your displeasure on one person--especially him since he was traded to help the Sixers.
"worst in the history of basketball"--cmon Rome, please. What do you want him do--tie a red cape around his neck and fly to the basket? Yell at King, Cheeks and the other scrubs they put together
He's not doing his job when he has the shooting % of a 2 guard and is an awful defender.
King said the knee had been a concern but "we did a lot of homework on it and we felt comfortable with it."
homework in this case would have meant that they actually watch webber play
this is what i wrote on the eagle board the day of the deal....
im supposed to get hype about chris webber?...a trillionaire 4th quarter bed shteinter....tell him to wear electric socks....defrost those cold feet....what a mammas boy r&b chump...a la vince carter...still looking over his shoulder looking for oakley....so he doest get the oz treatment
webber should play in a skirt....we could of used him on the last drive of the super bowl to call time out...dook is finished done cant play anymore and on top of that is a chump
iverson and webber hanging out is a effin sit com....i can just see it now....4 am....iverson all ignorant off a bottle of vodka and about 20 rails the size of a tee ball bat...yelling at his "uncle" for rolling blunts too slow....busting on webbers euro fag shoes and rick james pants....calling him a bitch because he has to wait until 9 am to call for his mom's approval for a tattoo....throwing webbers best of aaron hall cd out on chestnut street...smacking him with his dick....and asking him why they always called plays for divac with 3 minutes left vs the lakers
worst deal ever
I just watched an interview with BK on CSN Philly. I want to throttle him.
Basically, he is totally trying to sell that bringing back the same players yet asking them nicely to play better defense is going to make this team competitive.
Launch Billy King into the sun.
sounds to me like your were angry at Chris Webber before any of this happened IGY.. You a Michigan fan guy?
i wasnt angry at him till the sixers traded for him and his atrocious contract....he was a dead soldier and youve seen that since hes been here
yeah hes got lateral movement problems because of the knee, but my original point was and is that hes not even close to the problem with this team.
the guy still delivers numbers consistently bottom line, and thats what King was looking for when they got him. Hes not Ben Wallace, never has been, never will so i dont know what you want from they guy
He doesn't deliver numbers consistently. One night he'll shoot 5/16 and the next he'll go 9/17.
Sometimes he even goes 6/23. This is a frickin power forward going 6/23. The sad thing is, he'll only shoot around 50% 1 game out of every 5 or so. He's very inconsistent. His jumpshot is inconsistent, and his effort is inconsistent. The only thing consistent about him is his defense, which is consistently bad.
i dont care what he does on his off-nights stud--everyone has them. look at the avg numbers and what he adds as a plus to AI's numbers.
Nobodys saying that hes phenomenal anymore, but he did what hes supposed to do. If the Sixers had some go-to guys, any defensive help and went deep in the playoffs, his assist/shooting percentage would be higher-- and you would be giving him praise. Christ, hes 33 and still putting up the same numbers with a bum leg
Refocus your blame, because beating a dead horse is awesome
he gives up way more points and rebounds on the defensive end than he scores offensively...and its not even close
Sure. (http://www.concretefield.com/forum/index.php?topic=18587.msg430939#msg430939)
Boston.com (http://www.boston.com/sports/basketball/articles/2006/07/30/pacers_are_shuffling_deck/?page=2) reporting the Sixers are for sale... ???
QuoteFor sale: Philadelphia 76ers
One of the league's true flagship franchises may be available.
According to a usually well informed NBA source, the Philadelphia 76ers are for sale.
The 76ers are owned by Comcast Spectacor, which also owns the NHL's Philadelphia Flyers, an American Hockey League team, three minor league affiliates of the Baltimore Orioles, the Wachovia Center (home of the Sixers) and the adjacent Spectrum (former home of the Sixers), and a regional 24-hour sports programming network.
Another NBA source indicated many of the current employees believe a sale is on the way, although with confidentiality agreements, these things are often hard to nail down.
The Sixers' announced attendance was down about 7.5 percent last season and the Allen Iverson-Chris Webber marriage seems to be working about as well as the Julia Roberts-Lyle Lovett union did.
Ed Snider, who founded the Flyers in 1966, is Comcast Spectacor's chairman and chairman of the Sixers.
The Sixers referred queries to Comcast Spectacor, where president Peter Luukko said through a spokesman via e-mail, "We receive expressions of interest from time to time."
"No one has made us an offer and we're not actively selling the team."
i wonder if this is why the iverson trade talks abruptly stopped
Could be.
I hope Croce buys them. That would be excellent
croce would be awesome. he was so into the team and making them better.
ok thats a start, but it would be better if the phillies were for sale.
Blazers' beat writer John Canzano is making a plea through the papers with management to trade Zach Randolph for Allen Iverson.
The thinking is that Jarrett Jack is a couple years away from being a true point guard and that the time is right to bring in Iverson. A deal that would work under the cap is Iverson ($18.281 million) and guard Louis Williams ($664,000) from the 76ers to Portland for Randolph ($12 million), Travis Outlaw ($1.836 million), and Juan Dixon ($2.5 million). This is just wishful thinking by the Portland media at this point, but we can't imagine the Sixers getting a better offer for Iverson.
I would take this in a heartbeat---christ at this point, im game for whatever. Now that I think of it, I would just dump Iverson to any team, look to make last place or the worst record and get Greg Oden in the lottery.....blow it up
Knowing the Sixers' luck, they'd come in second in the Oden draft lottery.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on August 01, 2006, 11:40:45 AM
Knowing the Sixers' luck, they'd come in second in the Oden draft lottery.
No worries. The Raptors will come in first but not take Oden.
The schedule was released today. First game is Atlanta.
http://www.nba.com/sixers/news/0607_schedule_release_060801.html
Full schedule:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/teams/schedule?team=phi
76ers national TV games:
November 17th (Friday) @ Phoenix 10:30 ET ESPN
December 6th (Wednsday) @ Chicago 9 ET ESPN
December 8th (Friday) Washington 8 ET ESPN
December 15th (Friday) @ Dallas 8 ET ESPN
December 22nd (Friday) @ Boston 8 ET ESPN
January 26th (Friday) Cleveland 7 ET ESPN
March 4th (Sunday) New Jersey 4 ET ESPN
March 18th (Sunday) Houston 8 ET ESPN
Opening the season at home vs Atlanta.....hmmmmm......I wonder if ESPN was planning to show this as the national game in case AI was traded...
only one game in dc? thats beat.
heres a long, but great article on Dajuan Wagner, who is attempting hard to make a comback to the NBA and is playing in Camden right now. The points hes putting up, regardless is hes playing in a subpar league, are astronomical. The Sixers should be interested, even if they have a shooting guard in AI
http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/41796/20060804/wagner_on_the_way_to_an_nba_comeback/
Dajuan Wagner, who is attempting hard to make a comback to the NBA and is playing in Camden right now.
hes not playing in camden hes playing in cherry hill....lolol...
id go for 40 in cherry hill
IGY? knock it off...no you couldnt
my main point is when you can score that many points in any b-ball game, your doing something so right, when everyone else isnt even on your planet. he belongs back in the NBA, it was just unfortunate what happened to him for so long. the boy can shoot the rock
Sign him and Jay Williams and bring 'em to camp and see what they've got. It can't hurt
sixers now closer to being sold (http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/sports/15203188.htm)
Quote76ers' trade exception to expire
There is $4.45 million to play with; Billy King says "there's nobody out there to use it on."
By Joe Juliano
Inquirer Staff Writer
The plan looked like a good one at the time.
The 76ers entered the off-season armed with a $4.45 million trade exception, hoping it would help them obtain a player, preferably a tough-minded veteran who could provide a spark and get the team back into playoff contention.
However, as the expiration date of the trade exception arrives today, Sixers president and general manager Billy King is going to allow it to run out without using it. The team acquired the exception from the New Jersey Nets last August in exchange for Marc Jackson.
"There's nobody out there to use it on," King said yesterday. "There is no one out there that makes sense."
That goes double for the Sixers' midlevel exception of $5.215 million, which will be available throughout this season. "There's nobody out there to use that on, either," King said.
The team is in a bind. King confirmed that the Sixers are over the NBA's luxury-tax threshold of $65.42 million but would not go into specifics.
The Sixers are believed to be about $4.3 million over the tax number. They are paying the 12 players on their roster about $66.4 million. A 2004 buyout of former guard Greg Buckner's contract counts for an additional $3.36 million.
Under the rules of the luxury tax, the Sixers must pay a dollar-for-dollar tax on any total over the NBA-mandated figure.
The Sixers also are paying $6.5 million on their contract with Aaron McKie, who was released last year under a clause in the new collective-bargaining agreement that allowed a team to waive a player and avoid paying luxury tax on his remaining contract.
McKie now plays for the Los Angeles Lakers. What the Sixers are paying him still counts against the team's salary cap.
Contributing to the Sixers' high payroll is the fact that their roster includes two of the six highest-paid players in the NBA. Chris Webber ranks second in 2006-07 salary at $20.72 million, while Allen Iverson is sixth at $18.28 million. Their $39 million combined salaries account for nearly 59 percent of the team's payroll.
King said the Sixers' goal is to start the season under the luxury-tax figure but added that ownership is not pressuring him to do that.
"It's not a mandate, and it doesn't really hamstring us if we want to do something," he said. "Our goal is to put the best possible team on the floor. If we can make a trade, we're not just going to sit there and say, 'Hey, we've got to strip [the roster] clean.'
"... We've still been talking to people [about potential trades], but there hasn't been a lot of movement throughout the league."
The Sixers traded Jackson, a veteran forward who played at Temple, to New Jersey on Aug. 9, 2005. The Nets gave the Sixers a trade exception for Jackson's salary, $4.45 million, to be used within one year.
Even though the Sixers are well over the salary cap of $53.135 million, they are allowed to use exceptions as permitted by the NBA's collective-bargaining agreement.
Eskin claims the Sixers turned down a trade of Webber to NY for Q-Rich and Maurice Taylor...
CLAIM
looks like King is not as dumb as GM hiring.
that trade is junk. it would put the sixers in worse position than they already are
Knicks mulled Webber deal
Wednesday, August 16, 2006
By STEVE ADAMEK
STAFF WRITER
Chris Webber, still hampered by the aftermath of microfracture knee surgery at 33, is due more than $42 million over the next two seasons -- a perfect fit for the Knicks' seemingly infinite budget.
The five-time All-Star could also fit the win-or-else mandate president/coach Isiah Thomas faces this season, but initial discussions haven't produced a fit to send Webber to New York.
Still, the 76ers have approached the Knicks (and anyone else willing to listen) about Webber, league sources say, but weren't offered enough to make the kind of deal they've sought to shake up things this summer after several Allen Iverson scenarios fell through.
The package offered by Thomas, who is on vacation this week and could not be reached Tuesday, starts with Quentin Richardson (with his back issues and $33.8 million over four seasons left on his contract) and Maurice Taylor (whose $9.75 million contract expires after this season).
For the necessary salary-cap match, the Knicks would have to send more to Philadelphia to take on the $20 million Webber makes next season. So they'd likely try to include another albatross salary, such as the two years and $13.7 million owed to Philadelphia native Malik Rose or the four years and $24 million still due to Jerome James.
Webber-to-the-Knicks talk, however, is nothing new as he's been on their radar screen since before he re-signed as a free agent with Sacramento five years ago.
Last season, he averaged 20.2 points and 9.9 rebounds in 75 games as the Sixers failed to make the playoffs in his and Iverson's first full season together. Thus, team president Billy King has vowed to change the Sixers' culture.
He couldn't complete deals that would have sent Iverson to Boston, Denver or Atlanta, so now he's looking to move Webber, who turns 34 in March. And although Webber's knee severely limits his mobility, in New York he would join Eddy Curry and Channing Frye in a three-man rotation at power forward and center.
If the Sixers and Knicks can make a match, that is, or King can't find a better offer elsewhere.
Thomas is the only GM not smart enough to completely rape Billy King in a deal.
This trade would have been dumb for the Sixers, but I like the fact that they're trying to get rid of Webber.
by definition getting rid of webber could never be a dumb move
For Q Rich and Mo Taylor it would be.
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 16, 2006, 04:53:58 PM
by definition getting rid of webber could never be a dumb move
Only if they got rid of Webber while proclaiming that anyone but Sean Taylor is the best safety in the NFL.
http://www.courierpostonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060822/SPORTS03/608220375/1002/SPORTS
Wagner worked out for the Sixers
...thought he already did for some reason?
http://www.insidebayarea.com/warriors/ci_4242816
Iverson for Richardson, Foyle, and first round pick swap.
I dont have an opinion on this trade. Sixers need to get a point guard in an Iverson trade, either through a first rounder or player. The Warriors pick probably wont be much higher than the 76ers. Foyle has a horrible contract and is worse on the offensive end than Spazzy. I would have done this trade before the draft, because it could have been...
C Dalembert
PF Webber
SF Iguodala
SG Richardson
PG M. Williams
Too late now though.
AI's mom now owns an ABA team in Richmond (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2561334)
Also, this year's motto is "It's a Philly thing", and they'll have red alternate uniforms. (No idea on whether the blue ones are gone or not.)
Quote from: BigEd76 on August 28, 2006, 07:04:25 PM
Also, this year's motto is "It's a Philly thing", and they'll have red alternate uniforms. (No idea on whether the blue ones are gone or not.)
The 76ers will? If its with the new style, they are going to look absolutely hideous.
Bring back the ones they wore in AI's rookie year.
Sixers for sale end of year?
http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/42094/20060901/sources_sixers_likely_to_sell_before_end_of_year/
Quote from: Dillen37 on August 28, 2006, 07:07:06 PM
Quote from: BigEd76 on August 28, 2006, 07:04:25 PM
they'll have red alternate uniforms
The 76ers will? If its with the new style, they are going to look absolutely hideous.
Hip Hop has worn it a few times. Not sure if this is it though. Could be a throwback instead...
(http://www.nba.com/media/pistons/DETPHI_060329_004.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v605/projectjohn/52090542.jpg)
thats still the 2nd dumbest mascot in all of professional sports.
Quote from: Wingspan on September 01, 2006, 11:50:41 AM
thats still the 2nd dumbest mascot in all of professional sports.
I'll bite. What's #1?
the phanatic
Is Swoop #3 on your list?
Quote from: Wingspan on September 01, 2006, 11:54:48 AM
the phanatic
I was hoping that wasn't the answer. Can't hate on the Phanatic, man.
Quote from: BigEd76 on September 01, 2006, 11:47:48 AM
Quote from: Dillen37 on August 28, 2006, 07:07:06 PM
Quote from: BigEd76 on August 28, 2006, 07:04:25 PM
they'll have red alternate uniforms
The 76ers will? If its with the new style, they are going to look absolutely hideous.
Hip Hop has worn it a few times. Not sure if this is it though. Could be a throwback instead...
(http://www.nba.com/media/pistons/DETPHI_060329_004.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v605/projectjohn/52090542.jpg)
these jerseys look pretty good actually.
(http://www.panthers.com/images/fanzone/sirpurr.jpg)
worst mascot of all time
Quote from: BigEd76 on September 01, 2006, 11:56:35 AM
Is Swoop #3 on your list?
nope. swoop is an eagle...for the eagles. makes sence.
but what exactly about philadelphia 76ers or philadelphia or basketball in general makes you think of a giant stuffed rabbit?
I think Hip Hop is racist towards black people.
I think of black people playing basketball when I see a rabbit wearing sunglasses.
Who doesn't?
hip-hop isnt racist but that little albino midget friend he used to have was
that guy was a travesty and so funny
Glen Foster, the "Littlest Groom"
Below is the most repulsive, dumbest mascot in the history of sport:
(http://sanfrancisco.giants.mlb.com/sf/photo/ph_history_timeline_art25.jpg)
Here's the history of the San Francisco Giants Crazy Crab. (http://sanfrancisco.giants.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/sf/history/sf_history_timeline_article.jsp?article=31)
There could potentially be a challenger....
Continental Basketball Association (http://www.cbahoopsonline.com)
QuoteALBANY, NY (August 24, 2006) — The Continental Basketball Association today announced that the Atlanta Krunk franchise will now be know as the Atlanta Krunk Wolverines. This name change was made to reflect their new affiliation with Morris Brown College.
:-D
swoop, not a bad mascot. swoop II-electric bugaloo, worst mascot ever.
Quote from: SunMo on September 01, 2006, 05:25:58 PM
swoop, not a bad mascot. swoop II-electric bugaloo, worst mascot ever.
B- Good form but came a little loose at the end. Didn't quite stick that landing.
signed Alan Henderson today for backup PF/C
Quote from: BigEd76 on September 08, 2006, 03:00:28 PM
signed Alan Henderson today for backup PF/C
Champ. Ion. Ship.
I'm so excited, I'm running out to buy season tickets!
rebounds points
00-01 ATL 73 42 24.8 .444 .000 .638 2.5 3.1 5.6 .7 .70 .40 1.73 2.20 10.5
01-02 ATL 26 1 16.2 .509 1.000 .533 1.2 2.5 3.7 .4 .42 .58 .81 1.50 5.5
02-03 ATL 82 3 18.2 .468 .000 .638 1.9 3.0 4.9 .5 .40 .39 .74 2.00 4.8
03-04 ATL 6 0 11.3 .476 .000 .667 1.8 1.7 3.5 .3 .17 .33 .50 .20 4.0
04-05 DAL 78 10 15.4 .527 .000 .539 2.1 2. 4.5 .3 .37 .47 .63 1.90 3.5
05-06 CLE 51 3 10.4 .516 .000 .673 1.2 1.5 2.7 .2 .18 .24 .43 1.10 2.5
from the looks of this trend, he should be able to connect on a 1.5 points/1.7 rebounds avg season. Stellar.
Garbage.
I wish there was an ExtremeSixers message board to point and laugh at when the Sixers sign crap like this. Too bad we apparantly have fans who are realistic/have given up.
holy farg! this has been one exciting offseason!
Worst off-season in the Eastern Conference!! (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=stein_marc&id=2586126&lpos=spotlight&lid=tab3pos1)
Quote15. PHILADELPHIA 76ERS
It has been what you might call a Seinfeldian summer in Philly. A summer, in other words, about nothing. How else to describe what the Sixers have done to change a team environment that, when we last saw them, couldn't have been more toxic.
Philly has consummated zero trades and signed zero free agents -- unless you count Alan Henderson -- amid suspicions that Allen Iverson was yanked off the trading block only because the team is now up for sale. It can't be too surprising that a team has gone quiet on the personnel front while looking for new ownership, but the inactivity means Iverson, after bracing himself for a new start, soon must return to work knowing he was shopped harder than he ever has been shopped before.
Nearly getting traded to Detroit in 2000 sparked Iverson into an MVP-worthy fury in the 2000-01 season, but you're expecting a ton if you think he'll respond like that again. Don't forget that those Sixers had an idyllic blend of role players to bring out Iverson's best. These Sixers, remember, don't like each other, can't guard anyone and are coming back with the same group that ended last season so unhappily.
Since they couldn't deal AI and/or Webber it means we have two years of nothing to look forward to. I believe that Billy is going to sign no one until those contracts run out.
So get ready for some great basketball.
I can't wait to see Shav Randolph and Alan Henderson getting big minutes.
Good thing is football season wont be over until february, then we'll have less than a month until spring training. nobody will care!
Temple football is already over, right?
The only thing we have to look forward to is hoping that Iverson can actually let Iguodala and Carney get involved.
Quote from: FFatPatt on September 14, 2006, 05:09:32 PM
Temple football is already over, right?
I'm not sure if ever started.
Quote from: Dillen37 on September 14, 2006, 06:09:59 PM
The only thing we have to look forward to is catching teh AIDS with a touch of cancer.
Trying too hard/10. I've seen you try to do that like 5 times in the past week.
Well maybe if you fargers would say stuff that made me laugh I wouldn't have to go around correcting it all the time.
Errr..........I mean.........
Quote from: Dillen37 on September 14, 2006, 06:33:39 PM
:-D :-D :-D Sarge, you're cracking me the hell up.
Media Day on Friday. Should be interesting....
In the meantime, here's some pics of Carney and Jones in their uniforms:
Together (http://cache.gettyimages.com/xc/71646727.jpg?v=1&c=MS_GINS&k=2&d=4CB93F6368C8DDACEF577C9998266278)
Together again (http://cache.gettyimages.com/xc/71935361.jpg?v=1&c=MS_GINS&k=2&d=4CB93F6368C8DDACA5E29AAA9B034292)
Carney thinking about the playing time he won't get (http://cache.gettyimages.com/xc/71902139.jpg?v=1&c=MS_GINS&k=2&d=4CB93F6368C8DDAC6A9D190FA23DCE2E)
Jones hears the ocean (http://cache.gettyimages.com/xc/71646724.jpg?v=1&c=MS_GINS&k=2&d=4CB93F6368C8DDAC2500EBDD2273AF6C)
Jones flying outside (http://cache.gettyimages.com/xc/71887834.jpg?v=1&c=MS_GINS&k=2&d=4CB93F6368C8DDACF8DB14762848D1F7)
Carney too (http://cache.gettyimages.com/xc/71646698.jpg?v=1&c=MS_GINS&k=2&d=4CB93F6368C8DDAC480450FAABDB78C4)
Jones holds the ball out (http://cache.gettyimages.com/xc/71923218.jpg?v=1&c=MS_GINS&k=2&d=4CB93F6368C8DDAC1B078D3BD848CB30)
War Alan Henderson
Quote from: BigEd76 on September 25, 2006, 12:47:30 AM
Media Day on Friday. Should be interesting....
In the meantime, here's some pics of Carney and Jones in their uniforms:
Together (http://cache.gettyimages.com/xc/71646727.jpg?v=1&c=MS_GINS&k=2&d=4CB93F6368C8DDACEF577C9998266278)
Together again (http://cache.gettyimages.com/xc/71935361.jpg?v=1&c=MS_GINS&k=2&d=4CB93F6368C8DDACA5E29AAA9B034292)
Carney thinking about the playing time he won't get (http://cache.gettyimages.com/xc/71902139.jpg?v=1&c=MS_GINS&k=2&d=4CB93F6368C8DDAC6A9D190FA23DCE2E)
Jones hears the ocean (http://cache.gettyimages.com/xc/71646724.jpg?v=1&c=MS_GINS&k=2&d=4CB93F6368C8DDAC2500EBDD2273AF6C)
Jones flying outside (http://cache.gettyimages.com/xc/71887834.jpg?v=1&c=MS_GINS&k=2&d=4CB93F6368C8DDACF8DB14762848D1F7)
Carney too (http://cache.gettyimages.com/xc/71646698.jpg?v=1&c=MS_GINS&k=2&d=4CB93F6368C8DDAC480450FAABDB78C4)
Jones holds the ball out (http://cache.gettyimages.com/xc/71923218.jpg?v=1&c=MS_GINS&k=2&d=4CB93F6368C8DDAC1B078D3BD848CB30)
Your links all suck ass.
QuoteSixers' roster has Big 5 flavor
Rick Brunson, of Temple, and La Salle's Steven Smith signed on as the preseason approaches.
By Joe Juliano
Inquirer Staff Writer
The 76ers rounded out their training-camp roster yesterday by signing a veteran and a rookie with one common characteristic - their Big Five roots.
The Sixers came to terms with former Temple guard Rick Brunson, who has seen action for eight teams in nine NBA seasons, and forward Steven Smith, a two-time Atlantic Ten Conference player of the year at La Salle.
Both players were believed to have signed for the NBA minimum - $1,071,225 for Brunson, $412,718 for Smith - but the amount that was guaranteed was not known.
The signings of Brunson and Smith boosted the Sixers' roster to 16 players, one more than the NBA maximum for the start of the regular season.
For Brunson, 34, who lives in Cherry Hill, it will be his second chance to make the Sixers' roster. As a rookie in 1995, he participated in the Sixers' training camp but was the team's final cut before the start of the regular season.
Leon Rose, Brunson's agent, said the 6-foot-4 veteran will be a good fit for the Sixers.
"He's excited about the opportunity to play in Philadelphia and be home," Rose said. "He's a proven veteran. He brings another person with a mental toughness and savvy to the team. I think he'll be a great asset to the team."
Brunson played last season for Seattle and Houston, getting into 27 games overall. He averaged 2.0 points and 1.3 assists.
Brunson has played in 337 games in his NBA career, averaging 3.2 points and 2.6 assists. His NBA stops include Portland (twice), New York (twice), Chicago (twice), Boston, Toronto and the Los Angeles Clippers.
He also played for one season in Australia and parts of three seasons in the Continental Basketball Association.
Smith, 23, who is 6-foot-8 and 235 pounds, went undrafted in June, but his play in summer leagues in Las Vegas and Salt Lake City, for the Golden State Warriors and the Sixers, attracted the attention of several teams in the NBA and overseas.
Smith averaged 13.5 points per game for the Warriors and 15.3 for the Sixers. During Smith's time with the Sixers this summer, president and general manager Billy King praised his work ethic and said Smith reminded him of a young George Lynch, a former Sixers forward.
Smith scored 1,961 points during his career at La Salle and averaged 19.7 points as a senior. If he sticks with the Sixers, he will have performed a local hat trick of sorts, having played for Northeast High and the Explorers.
The Sixers will leave Friday for Barcelona, Spain, where they will hold training camp from Sunday through Oct. 8. They will play a preseason game against a Barcelona club team. The Sixers also will travel to Cologne, Germany, for a pair of preseason contests before returning home on Oct. 12.
Sixers Training Camp Update
The 76ers open training camp in Barcelona, Spain, on Sunday, and open their preseason schedule in Barcelona on Oct. 5, against Winterthur FC Barcelona at 3 p.m. Philadelphia time. They next face the Phoenix Suns on Oct. 10 at 3 p.m. in Cologne, Germany.
Their first preseason game at home will be on Oct. 14, against the New York Knicks at the Wachovia Center at 7 p.m. They visit New Jersey on Oct. 20 and New York on Oct. 24, both at 7:30 p.m. They finish the preseason at home on Oct. 25 at 7 p.m. against the Nets. The last two games will be televised by Comcast SportsNet. Here is their training-camp roster, which was announced yesterday.
No. Name Pos. Ht. Wt. Pro College/HS
1 Samuel Dalembert C 6-11 250 4 Seton Hall
3 Allen Iverson G 6-0 165 10 Georgetown
4 Chris Webber F 6-10 245 13 Michigan
5 Rick Brunson G 6-4 190 9 Temple
9 Andre Iguodala G-F 6-6 207 2 Arizona
11 Bobby Jones F 6-7 215 R Washington
12 Kevin Ollie G 6-3 195 9 Connecticut
23 Louis Williams G 6-1 175 1 South Gwinnett
25 Rodney Carney F 6-7 205 R Memphis
26 Kyle Korver F 6-7 210 3 Creighton
30 Steven Smith F 6-8 235 R La Salle
31 Ivan McFarlin F 6-8 240 R Oklahoma State
33 Willie Green G 6-3 201 3 Detroit-Mercy
42 Shavlik Randolph F 6-10 240 1 Duke
44 Alan Henderson F-C 6-9 240 11 Indiana
45 Steven Hunter C-F 7-0 240 5 DePaul
Like the signing of Smith...
What a zesty roster.
pepe sanchez would complete it lovely
Lionel Simmons isn't even 40 yet. get him.
Bill Mkvy would probably play more defense than AI.
Sixers didn't even add Jay Williams (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2606187)
Sixers lost an exhibition to FC Barcelona....wow
There is no box score of this, but I'm willing to submit nobody played any defense.
not much different than spain winning the world championships over the us
Those uniforms look weird with the spanish flag on the shoulders.
The defense didn't look weird though - it was as usual; sucky.
Tony DiLeo is bloggin, and he threw in this nugget of info:
QuoteAllen Iverson once said that he'd pay Shavlik Randolph $25,000 to jump into the water, swim out to a boat and back, and then roll around in the sand and run around pretending he was on fire. At the urging of the coaching staff, Shav somehow held back and stayed in the restaurant.
So Shav is still the bitch of the team? Nice.
Plus, this picture just gets me so excited for the impending 36-46 season:
(http://www.nba.com/media/sixers/photoshoot_starters_365_061007.jpg)
that's your starting linep, btw....like i said a couple months ago, willie green is expected to start.
don't expect much from carney this season.
Quote from: MDS on October 07, 2006, 05:21:28 PM
Tony DiLeo is bloggin, and he threw in this nugget of info:
QuoteAllen Iverson once said that he'd pay Shavlik Randolph $25,000 to jump into the water, swim out to a boat and back, and then roll around in the sand and run around pretending he was on fire. At the urging of the coaching staff, Shav somehow held back and stayed in the restaurant.
So Shav is still the bitch of the team? Nice.
Plus, this picture just gets me so excited for the impending 36-46 season:
(http://www.nba.com/media/sixers/photoshoot_starters_365_061007.jpg)
I would've done it. I'd do it. Right now.
I also like how AI is throwin aroun 25k like its pocket change. For a guy who grew up with nothin, he sure is spending his money wisely.
Quote from: hunt on October 07, 2006, 08:46:31 PM
that's your starting linep, btw....like i said a couple months ago, willie green is expected to start.
don't expect much from carney this season.
I have no idea what to expect from Willie this year. Or Carney.
Quote from: MDS on October 08, 2006, 11:14:26 AM
I also like how AI is throwin aroun 25k like its pocket change. For a guy who grew up with nothin, he sure is spending his money wisely.
I highly doubt he gives a shtein. You really dont need to spend $16M wisely, although many athletes make it a challenge to see how fast they can go broke.
Sixers/Suns from Germany
Tuesday at 3PM (live) and 8:30PM (repeat) on ESPN2
those sweatshirts are dope
I second that IGY and Iverson looks like he's rocking braces.
Nas said he's less than two weeks from finishing his next LP, Hip-Hop Is Dead ... The N, and he already has a prediction.
"All respect to all rappers on Def Jam, I love the label," Nas said. "Without disrespect, I'm about to be the craziest sh-- on Def Jam. But that should go without saying."
Nas has a lot to boast about this time around. After his last project, the 2004 double LP Street's Disciple, had a lukewarm reception, the New York legend feels confident he has another classic on his hands.
MTV News had a chance to preview some tracks last week, and to dispel some rumors, Nas is not leaving his roots. His LP is very much street, and there aren't really any commercial tracks. Lyrically he still commands the vocal booth.
A bulk of his criticism the last few years has been his choice of beat selection. On Hip-Hop Is Dead, he worked with the best, including Dr. Dre, Just Blaze, Kanye West and others. You can hear the excitement in the producers' music — they've given him top-grade material.
"It's cool," Nas said Monday about working with Dre on "QB True G," which features a guest appearance from the Game. "I worked on Dre's Aftermath album when he left Death Row. The second Aftermath album was the Firm album. I think him and [industry mogul] Steve Stoute got into a lot of beef, so the record got hurt when it came out. But that album is still a platinum monster. I know Dre was saying that n---as was bothering him, saying the Firm flopped or he turned pop, but that Firm album was not a flop. That record was a monster. Back then, [Interscope Records co-chairman] Jimmy Iovine was ready to send me a jet, trying to get me off of Sony because he was seeing my potential and what I needed to do.
"Since then, I hadn't seen [Dre], but I bumped into him in a studio and he said he was ready to do my whole album right there on the spot," Nas continued. "I just knocked out the joint I did with him."
The beat has the feel of the dark party track Dre gave 50 Cent for the "Outta Control" remix, but it has a bit more bite. Nas raps on the beat that he and the Game came to "sprinkle a little bit of heaven for your ears." The Game starts his verse by rapping that over a decade ago, he was a kid in a record store and had to decide whether to buy Nas' Illmatic or Dre's The Chronic because he only had money for one purchase. He decided to steal both albums.
"Game is a megastar, man," said Nas, who appears on the Game's upcoming The Doctor's Advocate. "That n---a shut down a whole crew by himself. That's big."
Kanye West raps on and produced "Still Dreamin'." Nas starts one verse scolding hangers-on who are looking for handouts, and on his second verse, he tells a story of a female newscaster who gets caught up in a drug dealer's lifestyle.
" 'Ye is that n---a," Nas told. "His music is right. I wish I could've got more time in with him, actually. He comes through. N---as just be kicking it. Next thing you know, he plays me his sh-- he's working on, I play my sh--, then it comes from there. He'll play me some sh--, and I'll say, 'Let me get that.' "
The song "Blunt Ashes," where Nas talks about the missteps and betrayals of R&B legends like Prince, Alexander O'Neal and Bobby Womack, came about from the wordsmith just kicking it in the lab with another one of his friends, Philadelphia 76ers forward Chris Webber. Webber produced the track.
"We was in the studio in Kelis' session," Nas said about working with his wife. "We had a room next door, because I didn't want to mess her session up, but I wanted to listen to something. I went in the other room, we was chillin'. One of my mans told Chris to put on one of his [beat] CDs. We was in there freestylin'. I started freestylin' to one joint about sh-- we just be talking about, and I was like, 'This is my sh-- right here. This is my joint.' But Chris is my homie though. One of my closest homies."
Cwebb looked awesome in the first possession of the game with that turnover. Tried passing, blocked back to Webber. Obviously was angry and just handed it to Phoenix then.
Sixers defeat Suns 103-100. Rodney Carney hits a game winning 3 with about 8 or so seconds left to give the Sixers the lead for good. He finished with 14 and 7. Korver with 20, AI with 29.
obviously this means we are going to the nba finals.
Not just going, but winning it in 4 games.
Team ball is back
igy hasn't been this hard since he saw a black guy that kinda looked like tupac.
man i cant wait for the nas album. cant wait for the jay z album. copped the lupe album.
eminem....call me when u realize u have talent and stop trying to be g unit.
and oh yeah i caught the end of the game...nice come back. if only we could have a defense...our offense is fine.
weird al has a new album coming out soon.
anyway, i just watched the 1st half. iggy is running more point so a1 can play off the ball more...sammy still looks clueless on offense...and webber looks about 15 years older than he did last season. carney looks pretty good & everybody else is the same as last year.
and steve nash got a haircut.
He'll start sucking now. His hair gave him power.
yep...no mvp this year.
is anyone elses sound distorted
missed the game today. anything interesting happen?
They beat Moscow and apparently won the European NBA Live tournament or whatever it was called. Now they're on their way back to the USA
QuoteOff-season odyssey has a happy ending
Ex-Sixer John Salmons ended up a King.
By David Aldridge
Inquirer Staff Writer
DALLAS - He does not like talking about his summer because he finds that people don't really understand his thinking, and it's not something that's easy to explain. So he keeps it to himself.
"It was more of a spiritual thing than anything," John Salmons says now about the off-season that took him from the 76ers to Phoenix to Toronto... and then to Sacramento. All he was looking for was the right fit, a place where he would feel comfortable in body, in mind, and in his soul.
Who knew that would be showering next to Ron Artest?
"It could have worked in Philly if the right situation ever presented itself," Salmons said last week. "I actually felt like, when the season was over, and everything went down that was going down in Philly, I felt like that situation was going to present itself in Philly. But it didn't. So you move on."
The Sixers wanted to re-sign Salmons, a first-round pick by the Spurs they had acquired on draft night 2002 from San Antonio. In four seasons, Salmons, a graduate of Plymouth Whitemarsh High, had established himself as a talented, if uneven, player. But the luxury tax-pushing Sixers were unwilling to use their midlevel exception on anyone this summer.
So Salmons, who averaged 7.5 points off the bench last season, looked around. The Suns quickly offered $22 million over five years, and Toronto offered a million more. To the surprise of many around the league, Salmons decided to go with the rebuilding Raptors instead of the championship-contending Suns.
Yet, within a few days, Salmons was having second thoughts.
"The whole time, I just felt like something wasn't right," Salmons says. "I felt like God was telling me I shouldn't go there. Then, my agent, Joel [Bell], he was pulling his hair out, telling me I had to take one of these two. He was saying 'you'll end up with no deal if you don't take one of these.' He was doing the right thing. He was looking out for my interest. But I couldn't deny my faith."
A "pretty spiritual person," Salmons prayed on it with his then-fiancee Taniesha (now his wife; they married in September). And within a few days, Salmons backed out of the agreement, which would have netted the Sixers a $2 million trade exception in the sign-and-trade deal.
"I was going crazy," he said. "I was stressing."
And because the Sixers had rescinded their qualifying offer to Salmons on the assumption that he was going to Toronto, he was temporarily left out in the cold.
But Salmons got a break. The Kings had spent weeks trying to re-sign their own free agent guard, Bonzi Wells, who had crazily turned down a six-year, $38 million offer from Sacramento. With negotiations going nowhere, Kings GM Geoff Petrie broke off talks with Wells' representative and starting looking around.
Petrie had had an interest in Salmons, but figured he wouldn't be able to afford him-and that it was a moot point, anyway, because he was going to Toronto.
Soon afterward, though, Kings assistant general manager Wayne Cooper heard that Salmons was wavering.
"All of a sudden, Coop got a call from Joel," Petrie recalled. "We had kind of taken [Salmons] off of our radar screen. And Coop said: 'Are you ready for this?' He said: 'Would you still have an interest?' I said 'Sure.' "
Within a couple of days, Salmons had agreed to a five-year deal for slightly more ($25.5 million) than Toronto had offered.
In Sacramento, Salmons hopes to be part of a more diverse offense, one in which the ball moves around and is shared more. He's backing up starter Mike Bibby at the point, but the Kings, hoping to get more out of Salmons' diverse game than the Sixers did, envision him playing up to three positions.
"He's quiet," Kings coach Eric Musselman said. "He's respected by his teammates... and he does whatever you ask. You ask him to do something, he just rolls over to that spot. There's no bad body language, no facial expressions - It's 'OK, Coach.' He's a no-maintenance guy."
The low-key Kings seem a good fit for the low-key Salmons. Artest and the team's high-profile owners, the Maloof brothers, get all the attention. And Sacramento has always been a team that moves the ball around.
"I just think it's a great situation," Salmons said. "I'm just trying to play hard and do the best I can. The main thing I'm trying to do is forget about what went down in Philly, and just start over, and have fun."
Johnny "Reggie White" Salmons?
That's too long of an article for someone that sucks. I still don't understand why teams were offering $20M-$25M....
Plus he went to PW-M. Speaking of racist, trashy kids....
I still don't understand why teams were offering $20M-$25M....
take a look around the league at what some of the players are making...especially percieved 'scrubs' like salmons
20-25 is chump change in the nba
QuotePosted on Fri, Oct. 20, 2006
Could Doctor J be Sixers' operator?
By PHIL JASNER
jasnerp@phillynews.com
JULIUS ERVING: owner?
Possibly.
The Daily News has learned via a source that Erving, the legendary Doctor J, has put together a group interested in purchasing the 76ers from Comcast-Spectacor.
The group, said to have Philadelphia ties, is hopeful of meeting with Comcast officials in the near future, the source said.
Erving, 56, who played 11 of his 16 professional seasons with the Sixers and was inducted into the Naismith Memorial Basketball Hall of Fame in 1993, was unavailable for comment.
Potential suitors have been advised to deal directly with Galatioto Sports Partners, a New York-based sports investment firm that has been hired by Comcast-Spectacor; they have been required to sign non-disclosure agreements.
A group led by Andrew Barroway of the law firm of Schiffrin & Barroway, of Radnor, and including Wayne Kimmel, one of the founders of ETF Venture Funds of King of Prussia, met with Comcast officials last month.
Kimmel, via ETF, is an investor in Philadelphia Media Holdings, the owners of the Daily News and Inquirer.
The Barroway/Kimmel group is said to have had some informal discussions with Comcast-Spectacor since their meeting.
Recent speculation has suggested the asking price for the Sixers could be as much as $450 million, which would be the largest price in league history.
As a frame of reference, the Sixers' current ownership spent $130 million to acquire the franchise from Harold Katz in April 1996. Katz bought the team from the late F. Eugene Dixon for about $12 million in July 1981.
The current ownership has resolutely stood by an Aug. 4 statement from chairman Ed Snider, in which he said:
"We have been approached by multiple parties interested in purchasing the Philadelphia 76ers, particularly in the wake of recent speculation. While this is not the first time we have received some inquiries, we have decided to engage the services of Galatioto Sports Partners, an industry-leading sports-investment firm, to help us evaluate our strategic alternatives, including a sale or a new partnership. We emphasize that no decision has been made to sell the 76ers."
I recall Doc running the Magic into the ground. He'd be a great fit.
Can he still play?
(http://pics.livejournal.com/jackwilliambell/pic/000103fs)
QuoteDISS GRACEA.I. admits players took advantage of classy Cheeks, vows respect
By PHIL JASNER
jasnerp@phillynews.com
This wasn't a confessional, and none of us was a member of the clergy. This wasn't Allen Iverson offering an act of contrition; it was just the 76ers' captain acknowledging a hard truth:
The players last season, with Iverson at the forefront, took some advantage of Maurice Cheeks, a former star player and respected assistant coach and person.
That clearly wasn't the only reason they underachieved at 38-44, landing in the lottery rather than the playoffs, but it was one of them. Cheeks' first season as their head coach became memorable for more than a few wrong reasons.
"It's always like that in life, it's always like that," Iverson said after practice yesterday at Philadelphia College of Osteopathic Medicine. "As a parent, you know your kid is always going to take advantage of you if they can. Anybody in life will try to take advantage if they can.
"It's just been that way. If somebody's easygoing and they're laid-back, you're going to expect them to be that way all the time, and you'll act accordingly. That's the way it's probably been, even [with] myself, just knowing Mo Cheeks and knowing him as a person, not really knowing him as a head coach.
"It was kind of [easier] than it had been for me. I had tough coaches. It was real different for me. It's important for us to not try to take advantage of something like that. You've got to respect him for being the person that he is, and respect him for the job that he has."
From the first day of his second training camp, in Barcelona, Spain, Cheeks has seemed tougher, sterner and, as Iverson suggested, "probably more stubborn, more urgent than he was."
"He's still kind of laid-back at times, but he's been a little different from the Mo Cheeks that I know," Iverson said. "I think he has a lot of pressure on him to succeed around here, and he's going to make sure everything's done his way."
Last season went in various, sometimes unproductive directions, churning a level of negativity that was, in Iverson's view, "enough to get us off track."
"I definitely won't get into it, and I won't get into the players involved in some of the things, but [we weren't] together like we had been in the past, like we are right now," he said. "It's too early to see if we'll let anything distract us, but for right now, it's been positive. Last year, we were a team on paper, but we weren't as tight and together as we should have been in the locker room and outside the locker room."
Iverson said the Sixers are better and more athletic than they were. But this is his 11th season. He always says that. ESPN.com projected them to be dead last in the NBA's Eastern Conference. Sports Illustrated picked them to be 12th of 15 teams.
"I definitely think they're wrong, but I'd rather it be that way than picking us first," Iverson said as the team looked ahead to tonight's preseason game in New Jersey. "That takes a lot of pressure off our young guys. When it comes to pressure with me, it's totally different. I'm supposed to be the one that makes us at the top of those lists. I always look at it as a challenge for me every year.
"Those things don't really mean anything, but I like the idea of them picking us so far down, because we can sneak up on a lot of people [who] can take us lightly, and we can get things done. If people already expect you not to succeed, the best thing in the world is to prove them wrong."
The Sixers, Iverson readily acknowledges, are all that he knows, from the painful rookie wake-up call after being the No. 1 pick in the 1996 draft, to playing for six different coaches, to reaching the Finals in 2000-01, to last season's collapse, which culminated in a Fan Appreciation Night fiasco, when he and Chris Webber arrived late for the final home game and did not play.
"You've heard this same song and dance from me for years," he said. "Talking don't mean anything; it's just about us going out there and getting it done. I know that we're a playoff team if we put everything we do in practice out there on the basketball court, if we carry out the assignments that Mo Cheeks gives us...
"I was talking to the young guys, sharing my experiences with them [about] being here as long as I've been. Willie Green said, 'You feel the way [you do] about this organization, you have this much love for this organization, probably because this is all you know.'
"That was the first time somebody ever said something like that to me. It was, honestly, the truth. I never looked at it like that. Maybe I always wanted to stay here because of the loyalty, but... it's all I know. For me to go try to win a championship somewhere else, if I ever did, it would probably feel good if I was to contribute to it, if I had a part in winning the championship, but it wouldn't feel the same as winning one here."
But as much as Iverson says things are different, they are - to most observers - eerily the same. The core players are the same; the start-of-the-season optimism is the same. Everyone in the inner circle defines that as an advantage; the players have a better feel for the coach, the coach has a better feel for them.
It would help immensely if the players somehow avoid taking advantage of anyone within their own group and instead use their improved attitude and supposedly improved defense to take advantage of more opponents.
Even Iverson would say that's the only advantage that would really matter.
yay!...the team is built around a 10 year vet who thinks like a 5 year old! :yay
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 20, 2006, 11:46:26 AM
Can he still play?
By what basis of comparison?..
At an NBA level? No.
Better than all but maybe 3 current Sixers? Yes.
No AI, no chance at MSG. It's on CSN if anyone cares
Nobody does.
easy talkin bout what players are missing from the lineup and the chances at winning a preseason nba game
thats why we love him
they won by 22 to finish 3-4 in the preseason. Steve Mix says that if things go well, we could challenge for the #7 seed this year! :D
I'm buying season tickets.
Is Bill Walton doing games on ESPN/ABC this year? Throw it down big fella!
I hate him.
Sixers = Eastern Conf. Finals baby!!
ollie already took over for willie green in the starting lineup...things are looking good this season!
Sixers = Eastern Conf. Finals baby!!
sixers = winners of the greg oden sweepstakes
hopefully
Is Oden a 4? Not that I wouldn't want the pup, but Igy at 2 and Carney at 3 should be it. Not that that's any kind of dominate lineup.
he's 7 foot tall, im pretty sure he wouldn't play 2 or 3
hes a classic five
The Sixers will have the worst record in the league and end up with the 4th pick.
Samuel Dalembert and his $70 million contract have something to say about this Greg Oden character.
What?...
"Mr Oden, please don't peepee on my face after you shtein on it."
?
the eagles are so bad that i'm actually looking forward to the sixers' season opener.
but just like the Eagles, they'll start 1-0 and it'll be all downhill from there...
the sixers will have a better winning % than the eagles this season. :paranoid
Quote from: hunt on October 30, 2006, 11:03:32 AM
the sixers will have a better winning % than the eagles this season. :paranoid
HAHAHAHAHAHA. No.
36-46 > 7-9
The Sixers will not win 36 games this year.
okay....then 31-51 > 6-10
Quote from: hunt on October 30, 2006, 01:16:35 PM
okay....then 31-51 > 6-10
That's a distinct possibility, but I still think the odds are against the Sixers in this one. After all, the Eagles are currently at .500 and have 3 games against obviously inferior opposition in the 2nd half of the season (WAS, TEN, @WAS). If they can win all of those, they do no worse than 7-9.
Basically, the Eagles suck so much that they will probably finish 8-8 or 9-7, so that they miss the playoffs and also get a mediocre middle-of-the-round draft pick. Asses.
After all, the Eagles are currently at two games over .500 and have two games coming up against obviously inferior opposition (TB, JACK)
The difference is that at this point, it might benefit the team if they lost those games, so of course they won't.