It's 9:22 in the AM, and Michigan still sucks.
Michigan?
Hail! To those motherfargers,
Hail! To those big corksoakers,
Hail! Hail! To Michigan,
The cesspool of the West!
Hail! To those fornicators,
Hail! To those masturbators,
Hail! Hail! To Michigan,
The cesspool of the West!
S-T-A-T-E... FARG YOU!
QuoteI think there's talent enough to get excited. Predicting what a bunch of teenagers will do in 2-3 years is retarded.
i hate/love you.
Smells like spooning is a-brewing.
why is there a new thread again?
so, pretty much everyone agrees that PSU will take a step back next year, the degree of that step is dependent on the play of Morelli and a young defense.
im not as concerned with morelli as i am with the offensive line...to me thats the key for the whole seaso...their weapons at the skill positions will make up for any shortcoming morellli might have...the huge question is the o-line...michael robinson was able to make the line look good with his incredible escapability...morelli on the other hand is a statue so the line better be up to par
as far as the defense goes the secondary is a huge question mark...if they can be solid there they should be ok
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 02, 2006, 09:41:15 AM
why is there a new thread again?
Once the threads get too long, they piss off the board's servers, apparently.
signing day MILF.....holla!
(http://msn.foxsports.com/id/5299098_7_1.jpg)
Nice fake boobs, Mrs. MILF.
Quote from: MDS on February 02, 2006, 01:20:24 PM
Nice fake boobs, Mrs. MILF.
You would gladly bark at her cheerio if she let you squeeze them.
Are they built for speed, or for comfort?
Did you give 'em the motorboat?
FSU ended up with a badass class.
Congrats to the Penn State clan. You guys kicked serious ass this year.
:yay
FSU is going to be dangerous this season. Like national championship dangerous. That pisses me off.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0377001/
not sure if i should post this here or in the movie thread....but last night i watched this documentary and it was super duper great....the football equivalent of 'hoop dreams'....about one of the best hs football players in the country going thru the recruitment process during his senior season
Abe Koroma changed his name to Abe Dukuly ???
bizzaro.....
Hazelton pulls back letter of intent to USC
Former Moore Catholic receiver now considering enrollment at Penn State
Thursday, February 02, 2006
By TOM DOWD
ADVANCE STAFF WRITER
The Vidal Hazelton recruiting saga apparently has a few chapters to go.
While high school seniors across the country -- including five other Staten Islanders -- were submitting their signed letters of intent yesterday on the first day of the college football signing period, Hazelton did not do so.
According to the player's father, Dexter Hazelton, the former Moore Catholic player will not be submitting his letter of intent anytime soon. Vidal Hazelton is currently enrolled at Hargrave (Va.) Military Academy, where he played last fall.
Hazelton had given the University of Southern California a verbal commitment at the end of December, but in the middle of January informed USC coach Pete Carroll that he was unsure of his commitment and was considering attending Penn State.
Vidal Hazelton was prepared to follow through on his December commitment and submit his letter to USC, but Dexter Hazelton would not sign the letter of intent. A parent's signature is required for all student-athletes under the age of 21.
"He's pretty upset right now that I didn't sign the letter," said Dexter Hazelton.
According to Dexter Hazelton, both USC and Penn State are still under consideration, though it will likely be awhile before either learns of the highly touted wide receiver's intentions.
"I'm going to hold back until the end of April," Dexter Hazelton said, referring to the end of the signing period. "I'm not going to sign the letter of intent until the end of April."
"(Vidal) can't sign anything unless I sign it," added Hazelton. "I have to sign it. I told (USC) I'm not signing it until the end of the period."
Hazelton emerged as one of the most highly recruited players in the class of 2006 after his performance at recruiting combines last spring.
ESPN ranks Hazelton as the No. 3 recruit in the country and recruiting Web site rivals.com listed Hazelton No. 7. Both ranked him as the No. 2 wide receiver in the nation.
Hazelton expressed discomfort with his son's selection of USC as well as the Trojans' recruitment of the player.
"There's a lot of things we don't know," said Hazelton. "The way they approached the recruiting process I wasn't happy at all. They went straight to Vidal. They didn't approach the family."
"I don't like the way they do their recruiting," he added. "I think it's wrong."
Dexter Hazelton said he informed USC at around noon the family would not be submitting a letter of intent. He said he spoke several times during the day with the school's coaches, including head coach Pete Carroll.
"They're not happy about it," said Hazelton. "They claim they spent a year trying to recruit Vidal. It didn't feel like a year. It feels like when they saw his ranking they started to recruit him."
Vidal Hazelton is currently at Virginia at school and was unavailable for comment.
"I don't want him to speak with anyone right now," said Hazelton. "Not the press, not anybody.
"Vidal's supposed to come here this weekend," added Hazelton. "We're going to have a talk with him. I think he's been blinded by a lot of this."
That would be cool if PSU got Hazelton and all, but his dad sounds like a control-freak prick.
whats amazing is its not even his dad....hes his step johnson
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 02, 2006, 01:52:42 PM
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0377001/
not sure if i should post this here or in the movie thread....but last night i watched this documentary and it was super duper great....the football equivalent of 'hoop dreams'....about one of the best hs football players in the country going thru the recruitment process during his senior season
I concur, a must see for any football fan. IGY, have you googled to find out what Taurean Charles has gotten into since the movie? Pretty wild.
shhhhh
Quote from: BigEd76 on February 02, 2006, 01:54:53 PM
Abe Koroma changed his name to Abe Dukuly ???
ask bkoroma whats up. i would do it myself but you know.
I sent him a PM. No response yet...
Quote from: FFatPatt on February 02, 2006, 01:22:25 PM
Quote from: MDS on February 02, 2006, 01:20:24 PM
Nice fake boobs, Mrs. MILF.
You would gladly bark at her cheerio if she let you squeeze them.
Are they built for speed, or for comfort?
Did you give 'em the motorboat?
no doubt.
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 02, 2006, 02:05:44 PM
whats amazing is its not even his dad....hes his step johnson
He must have adopted him, then.
Either way, it's weird. I'm intrigued.
Quote from: MDS on February 02, 2006, 02:31:19 PM
Quote from: FFatPatt on February 02, 2006, 01:22:25 PM
Quote from: MDS on February 02, 2006, 01:20:24 PM
Nice fake boobs, Mrs. MILF.
You would gladly bark at her cheerio if she let you squeeze them.
Are they built for speed, or for comfort?
Did you give 'em the motorboat?
no doubt.
Motorboatin son of a bitch
Ed, Rivals changed the name of the Abraham Kromah that committed to Duke to Dukuly.
Scout is confused (http://scout.scout.com/a.z%20157&p=8&c=1&nid=1964213) :-D
From ESPN Insider, the top 25 recruiting classes in order:
QuoteGrading the top 25 classes of 2006
By Tom Luginbill
Scouts, Inc.
Here are the top 25 classes, complete with letter grades, for 2006:
1. Florida: A
The nation's best receiver, the nation's third best quarterback and 11 ESPN 150 players. Urban Meyer sold his program well and has gotten the prospects he needs for both his spread offense and his 4-3 defense.
2. USC: A
So much for rebuilding. They've filled holes with three talented running backs and answered defensive needs with two of the nation's top safeties and outside linebackers.
3. Texas: A
Texas struck early to keep most of the top talent in their own state -- only two players come from outside of Texas. QB Jevan Snead will compete for the starting job and OLB Sergio Kindle is already on campus and can be impact player as a freshman.
4. Georgia: A
Despite QB Matthew Stafford being largely anonymous throughout the recruiting process, he is one of the top quarterbacks in the country and will compete for the starting job. Georgia added safety Reshad Jones to cap off a stellar class in the defensive secondary. On signing day they also added a top running back in Knowshon Moreno.
5. Notre Dame: A
Notre Dame increased athleticism and team speed across the board as Charlie Weis parlayed surprising on-field success to the recruiting trails. RB James Aldridge reminds us a lot of a young Cadillac Williams.
6. Florida State: A-
Late addition wide receiver Damon McDaniel adds an offensive weapon and linebacker Marcus Ball fills a need on defense. S Anthony Leon, one of the most underrated players in the country, coupled with S Myron Rolle, our No. 1 overall rated player, will make an imposing secondary for years to come.
7. Oklahoma: A-
Along with Adrian Peterson, No. 1 rated RB DeMarco Murray could be part of the best 1-2 punch backfield in the country. He's the most versatile player in this class and has the potential to wow as a freshman. On signing day Oklahoma landed two big in-state prospects in defensive tackle Gerald McCoy and TE Jermaine Gresham.
8. LSU: A-
The Tigers have dominated the state of Louisiana and have added speed to their secondary with No. 1-rated corner Jai Eugene and three safeties rated 7.0 or above. LSU added another top defensive tackle in Charles Deas to go along with No. 1 rated tackle Al Woods.
9. Penn State: A-
Maryland is now getting a zip code in State College -- they've snagged three ESPN 150 recruits from the state. No. 1-rated DE Maurice Evans is the best player nobody knows about, for now.
10. Ohio State: A-
The Buckeyes have started to reload at linebacker with two ESPN 150 players at the position. They've also filled key impact positions at defensive end and running back with in-state players Robert Rose and Chris Wells.
11. Michigan: B+
Michigan addressed defensive secondary needs with the addition of safety Jonas Mouton and S/CB Steve Brown. Justin Boren and Steve Schilling fit the mold of typical Michigan maulers from offensive lines of past.
12. Auburn: B+
Last year's class was loaded on the defensive side, and this year the Tigers are meeting needs at quarterback and wide receiver on offense. The defense hasn't been neglected though as they've filled needs along their front seven.
13. Clemson: B
The Tigers made a big late addition with running back C.J. Spiller. Clemson has addressed needs in the front-seven with bookend ESPN 150 defensive ends Jamie Cumbie and Ricky Sapp. ESPN 150 DB Byron Maxwell could play either corner or safety and is a physical presence.
14. Mississippi: B
Ole Miss has not seen potential impact players like this since Eli and Archie Manning played in Oxford. High school teammates Markeith Summers and Allen Walker coupled with RB Cordera Eason make an explosive trio.
15. Oklahoma State: B
Like Oklahoma, the Cowboys have been able to have a huge presence in the state of Texas. They've also lured in-state ESPN 150 DE Derek Burton to Stillwater.
16. Pittsburgh: B
The Panthers weathered the storm of a disappointing early season and were able to keep key early commits that came with the hype of Dave Wannstedt returning home to coach. DT John Malecki is a potential sleeper.
17. Miami, Fla.: B-
Coaching changes right in the thick of recruiting season didn't help. Though they lost QB Patrick Devlin to Penn State, they landed a huge RB prospect in Kylan Robinson, a transfer from Anchorage, Alaska who burst on to the scene in Tampa.
18. Alabama: B-
The strength of this class starts with the addition of in-state offensive lineman Andre Smith. Should be an impact player the moment he steps on campus. Had QB Greg McElroy played as a junior, he might have had a lot more publicity. He's a solid get after missing out on QBs Tim Tebow and Mitch Mustain. The Tide's defensive back seven has some nice additions, including high-motor LB Charlie Higgenbotham.
19. UCLA: B-
The Bruins have worked their way into competing with USC for California's top recruits, but they still don't have much to show for it with the likes of LB Joshua Tatum and RB Stafon Johnson picking the Trojans over the Bruins.
20. Tennessee: B-
The Vols have a better class than many are giving them credit for. Sleeper QB Nick Stephens out of Texas has real upside. They have three solid tight ends, though Lee Smith may end up being a defensive end at the college level.
21. Louisville: B-
Late additions of S Brandon Heath and DE Deantwan Whitehead provide a big boost on the defensive side of the ball for the Cardinals. Luring Josh Chichester out of Ohio, who's a big receiving target, is a big coup.
22. Texas A&M: B-
Texas has ruled the state everywhere except at running back; the state's three top-rated runners, Michael Goodson, E.J. Shankle and Latreal Cooper, will all head to College Station. Jerrod Johnson and Kenny Brown also add depth at wide receiver.
23. Maryland: B-
The Terps let an opportunity to land an outstanding class slip away by letting some of their in-state talent leave the border. That said, the Terps landed two top in-state kids in CB Pha'Terrell Washington and WR Drew Gloster.
24. Virginia Tech: B-
The Hokies are a perennial top-10 program and their recruiting class isn't about stars. It's about quality from top to bottom. Frank Beamer and his staff do the best job of projecting prospect upside out of any program in the country.
25. North Carolina: B-
The Tar Heels added depth and team speed across the board. There really wasn't a position other than kicker that they missed on
farging UF... I hate Urban Meyer almost as much as I hate Spurrier. :boom
#9 is the lowest I've seen for PSU. Oh well. Still good.
I was scrolling down, and say some T's. I immediatley thought Temple, then quickly realized attributing Temple and a succesful football program was impossible.
Knowshon Moreno
Quote from: rjs246 on February 02, 2006, 02:02:09 PM
That would be cool if PSU got Hazelton and all, but his dad sounds like a control-freak prick.
This family has Lindros (Manning?) written all over them...
Except Carl Lindros and Archie Manning were in agreement with their respective sons, and they fought like the bitch prick assmunches they were to get their sons' way.
Dexter Hazleton does not seem to be on the same page as Vidal.
The only hope for Vidal to PSU is if he was only trying to honor his commitment and doesn't actually and deeply prefer USC to PSU. I don't think that's the case, so I think he eventually talks his dad into making the USC commit official.
I'd also like to point out that Vidal is a farging gayassgay name.
youre crazy son...vidal hazelton rules
nutty parents dont matter in college
wisconsin just gave the boot to their only good returning rb
he choked out some girl
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 03, 2006, 11:40:02 AM
wisconsin just gave the boot to their only good returning rb
he choked out some girl
The next starter at VA Tech?
She probably deserved it.
they usually do
QuoteHazelton could sign this weekend
Mike Farrell
Recruiting Analyst
Yesterday was a hectic day for everyone involved with National Signing Day, especially for coaches, analysts and some players and parents. One such player is Chatham (Va.) Hargrave Military wide receiver Vidal Hazelton. The 6-foot-3, 200-pound wide receiver and his father had a long day. So what's the latest?
"Vidal is coming home (to New York) this weekend and we're going to sit down and talk about it," said Dexter Hazelton, Vidal's father. "I did not sign any Letter of Intent for USC yesterday. This is a situation between myself and Vidal."
Rumors surfaced that Dexter would only sign a LOI for Penn State and that he wouldn't allow Vidal to attend USC. Players need to be 21 years or older to sign without a parent or guardian.
"No, I'm not refusing to sign for USC if that's where Vidal wants to go," Dexter said. "We're going to talk things over this weekend and if that's where he wants to go, then I have no problem signing. And I think that's where he wants to go."
So why the delay?
"I felt that Vidal was being rushed into this decision and there was also a situation where Vidal was falling behind in a class and that's something that's not acceptable to me," his father said. "When I was talking to him about it, we got into an argument and he hung up on me. We didn't talk for two days until he called me back and said he needed me to sign his letter for USC. I asked him if he remembered how our last conversation ended and then hung up on him.
Academics are a high priority in my house and I've raised Vidal for 18 years and now he's hanging up on me? That's not acceptable. One of the concerns I have about USC is that he'll be far away from home and he likes that 'Hollywood' style out there and I need to make him aware how he needs to keep up with his academics out there."
Does Vidal's father favor Penn State as the choice over USC?
"Yes, that would be my choice because I feel more comfortable that the people at Penn State will take care of him better and that's what any father would want for their son. But I also think USC is the right fit for Vidal because he's more comfortable with the quarterback situation out there. He's spent the last three years with a below average quarterback and I know how frustrated it can be. Football is fun for Vidal when he has a chance to show what he can do and he feels better with the USC situation."
Dexter also didn't like the way USC reacted to his effort to get his point across to Vidal.
"I asked Pete Carroll to help me out with this situation and he didn't seem to want to hear it. He came off to me as someone who didn't feel it was a big deal. I care about making sure my son has thought out his decision and understands what is expected of him if he goes to USC."
So does Penn State have a chance here?
"I'm going to talk to Vidal about everything this weekend, let him know where I'm coming from and then he will make his choice. If he picks USC like I assume he will, I'll sign the letter. I just want to make sure I've done as much as I can as a parent before he makes this big decision."
And why make this public?
"I've heard a lot of things out there that I'm controlling my son and refuse to sign his letter unless it's for Penn State. I've heard it compared to the Kellen Winslow Jr. situation. I want to make sure everyone understands what's really happening."
Hazleton has been taken off the USC list of signees.
Like I said... looks to be a long shot he'll go to PSU.
But I also think USC is the right fit for Vidal because he's more comfortable with the quarterback situation out there
huh?
the trigger point for him possibly switching to penn state was when devlin decommitted from miami because they have a close relationship
Penn State's QB situation is about as good as a kid could hope for. Morelli has 2 years of eligibility left and has a very high ceiling. Devlin is one of the top QB recruits ever to join up at PSU, and Brackett would appear to be a decent fail-safe if something doesn't work out with Devlin.
Oh, and Chris Ganter r0xorZ!
dont forget bostick will be on board next year
Quote from: FFatPatt on February 03, 2006, 03:58:18 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 03, 2006, 03:42:58 PM
dont forget bostick will be on board next year
Who?
Go back a couple of pages. I specifically quoted you and told you who Bostick was young man. Basically he was the second best Quarterback overall at the Army All-American game behind the youngest Clausen. Ahead of Tebow, Mustain, Sneed, etc. Best high school player I ever saw play.
Wait, so PSU already has a verbal commit from a junior in high school, and that counts?
I have a strong feeling that he might reconsider his options now that Devlin is a Nittany Lion.
i was mostly kidding...penn st is in for him but its a long shot
last i heard pitt actually led for him
"I know I need the football, it's like a disease with me almost...I know how frustrated I'd be in an offense that can't pass the ball but I also know I'd be frustrated sitting on the bench as well. That's why it's tough...USC has Steve Smith and Dwayne Jarrett and told me I'd have to beat out Smith to earn a starting role. Penn State told me I'd start from day one. But USC's offense has been more proven over the last few years. This is why it's tough and I'm so confused...Hazelton remains committed to USC, but proximity to home is starting to creep in as well...The only thing really wrong with USC is the distance...I know I can compete, I know I'll play out there, I have confidence in my ability. But I'd also like to have my family, my grandparents be able to see me play. This is hard." - Vidal Hazelton
ok this is getting more weird by the second...in the inky article today it says his mother lives in georgia...his stepfather and what has been termed his 'family' live in staten island...so he lives with his stepfather and his stepfathers wife who is not his mother and he considers them his family?
His stepfather adopted him, and I guess his moms had/has some sort of issues.
Either way, USC is much further for her as well.
I find it a little hard to believe that PSU told him he'd start from day 1... not that his upside isn't 1000% more than Deon Butler, but that's crazy that they would just out-and-out tell him he'd start opposite DWill.
Sounds like anything could happen.
plus its not like they dont have another 5* recruit...whos to say that bell wont be better than hazelton...theres absolutely no way they told him hed start right away
Although, there is no doubt he'd have a BETTER chance to start right off the bat at PSU... the issue is that the only PSU receiver that's going to be older than a Junior next year is Terrell Golden, and he's no better than #3 on the depth chart right now anyway. They have Williams, Butler, and Norwood, who will all be Sophs next year. They have Bell, who may or may not Redshirt.
That said, if Hazleton and his upside is as good as he thinks he is and as the scouts think he is, only Williams and Bell have a chance of keeping him off the field. Butler and Norwood are OK role players and contributed more than expected in 2005, but neither have a ceiling anywhere near Hazleton's.
Hazelton is a nutjob.
butler and/or norwood both may be moved to cb
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 04, 2006, 11:23:49 AM
butler and/or norwood both may be moved to cb
Ah. That makes sense.
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 04, 2006, 11:23:49 AM
butler and/or norwood both may be moved to cb
Norwood to CB? I can't see him being successful there at all. He is a perfect possesion receiver.
I saw him drop a lot of easy ones in important games.
I think a lot of that had to do with Mike Robinson, he seldom threw easy ones. I think Butler would fair well there but Norwood just doesn't seem fast enough.
WTF is it with that punk Jurevicius saying what high school he came from (instead of PSU) during the Super Bowl?
Quote from: Cerevant on February 06, 2006, 08:48:18 AM
WTF is it with that punk Jurevicius saying what high school he came from (instead of PSU) during the Super Bowl?
I was thinking the same thing. Maybe he has hard feelings because Joe suspended him for the bowl game due to his academics. Either way, I found myself rooting very hard against him yesterday. Farg him.
^^^^^the bowl game suspension is exactly why.
I have news for Joey J... keeping your academics at an acceptable level in the "Human Development & Family Studies" major at Penn State is not exactly difficult. He's obviously a dumbass.
BTW, his home address and phone # in Ohio is on the Penn State alumni directory. Should I call him, or, better yet, should I PM this information to rjs?
QuoteFWIW:
Some pretty credible guys on the PSU Rivals and Insiders premium forums are intimating that Hazleton may have told PSU that he was coming this past weekend. The rumor is that Hazleton called McQueary last night and may have also talked to Pat Devlin.
I had a class with Joey J at PSU. I saw him once.
The highlight of my college career was seeing Kevin Thompson and a few other players on the Loop with all their ho's. All the bitches we obviously drunk off their asses and ready to shack up with any of the guys in Nittany Apartments.
The bad news for the players was that they were all fugly trash. Not a hottie amongst them.
No hotties at Penn State?
Shocking.
::)
They hotties are just buried under seventeen layers of sweatclothes. Takes more work to find their funholes.
Bloomsburg sluts were way hotter.
I don't know why though. Probably were too dumb to get into Penn State and usually dumb chicks are hotter than smart ones.
But I digress...
My dad went to Bloomsburg for a couple of years. You were probably there with him, old man.
bloomsburgh has about a 40-1 female to male ratio. Even hank the angry drunken dwarf in his current state could get laid there.
Hank's dead ass can pull tail like nobody's busines.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on February 06, 2006, 04:27:56 PM
No hotties at Penn State?
Shocking.
::)
Um... there are plenty. The funny part was that the football players had obviously chosen their women for speed, rather than comfort... if you know what I mean.
same
Johnson named recruiter of the year by Rivals.
http://footballrecruiting.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=510102
When Joe retires/dies, they must make sure they retain Larry Johnson, even if it means making him the head coach instead of Bradley. He might be the most valuable coach/recruiter on the staff right now.
i like johnson and hope he stays but lets keep things in perspective
dwill had as much to do with the recruting as lj did....lj did a masterful job in md...a place where he is well known giving him a huge advantage...it wasnt like he was going into ohio and snuffing kids out from under the buckeyes
he deserves credit no doubt but the perfect timing of getting dwill last year mixed in with this md class being so good and the 10-1 record had a lot more to do with this than lj
you also have to remember normally md hs football is pretty weak...so even were he to be successful in the future the rewards wouldnt be nearly so fruitful
i like lj a lot but before i annoint him id like to see him go head to head with some big boys on a level recruting field and win
Graham Zug (http://bwi.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=36716) is going to walk on next year.
He looks like a winner.
from the inky today...
After spending three years training exclusively at Neshaminy, all-star lineman Tom McEowen recently switched to a private gym, MVP Sports Training and Fitness in Bucks County. A senior who is headed to Penn State on a full scholarship, McEowen gave up other sports when he was a sophomore to concentrate on football.
This year, however, the 6-4, 273-pounder plans to add spring track to his schedule to help his conditioning.
"I work out primarily with free weights and exercises to improve my agility," said McEowen, who runs 40 yards in 4.87 seconds and bench-presses 360 pounds.
Kid is a beast, but farg Neshaminy anyway.
Hazelton is at the PSU basketball game today with all the main freshmen and high school senior commits... :paranoid
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?
i think you meant.....
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:crazy
Better? :)
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GET HAZLETON!
(http://media.scout.com/Media/Image/29/292913.jpg) (http://psuplaybook.org/users/Brennan/2005-06HoopImage/Hazelton2.jpg)
Rumors on Rivals and FOS that the LOI was signed and an announcement will be made when the USC one expires in a few days... :)
Who's he all buddy-buddy with in the Bradshaw jersey?
FWIW On Hazelton.
http://footballrecruiting.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=512680
It was looking promising there for a while, but I would put money on him choosing USC.
According to Rivals Vidal Hazelton will announce Friday.
Quote from: NGM on February 21, 2006, 09:40:43 PM
According to Rivals Vidal Hazelton will announce Friday.
De ja vu :paranoid
Hey Hazelton, make your farging mind up already. :boo
He already has. USC. Book it.
Quote from: FFatPatt on February 21, 2006, 10:47:43 PM
He already has. USC. Book it.
:-\
I can't even argue with you since you schooled igy.
ZACK MILLS NAMED GRADUATE ASSISTANT FOOTBALL COACH AT TEMPLE
2/20/2006
Zack Mills concluded his career owning or sharing 18 Penn State passing and total offense records
PHILADELPHIA - Zack Mills, a four-year starter at quarterback for Penn State from 2001-04 under Joe Paterno, has been named offensive graduate assistant coach at Temple by head coach Al Golden. Mills becomes the fourth former Nittany Lion letterwinner on the Owl staff, joining Golden (TE, 1989-91), defensive coordinator Mark D'Onofrio (LB, 1989-91) and running backs coach Jeff Nixon (RB, 1996).
I thought he was trying to be a professional poker player.
Now he can hang out with MDS whenever he wants, though.
Hazelton to USC (http://pennstate.scout.com/2/502168.html)
Quote from: FFatPatt on February 22, 2006, 11:34:43 AM
I thought he was trying to be a professional poker player.
Now he can hang out with MDS whenever he wants, though.
:yay
Quote from: BigEd76 on February 23, 2006, 05:01:22 PM
Hazelton to USC (http://pennstate.scout.com/2/502168.html)
QuoteA few days later, Dexter Hazelton told Scout.com he was upset over the fanfare surrounding his son's visit to Penn State, which included taking in a Nittany Lion basketball game in courtside seats. "We wanted a laid-back trip just to find out the things we wanted to know," Dexter Hazelton said. "We did not want all the bells and whistles."
His father sounds like a full-on pain in the farging ass.
Good luck, Pete. You're gonna need it with that fruitcake.
:-D :-D
QuoteA few days later, Dexter Hazelton told Scout.com he was upset over the fanfare surrounding his son's visit to Penn State, which included taking in a Nittany Lion basketball game in courtside seats. "We wanted a laid-back trip just to find out the things we wanted to know," Dexter Hazelton said. "We did not want all the bells and whistles."
Great idea, move to Southern California instead where none of that exists. :boo What a moron, I hope he gets McGahee'd. :evil
its possible that this 18 year old will turn into something, but far more likely that in three years no one will remember his name.
Oh well. Chris Bell is one happy guy today.
for a guy who didnt want fanfare he sure turned his sons recruiting process into a complete circus
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/highschool/recruiting/orl-recruiting2606feb26,0,1466286,print.column?coll=orl-sports-col
QuoteDefensive linemen
1. PENN STATE: E Maurice Evans, T Abe Koroma, E Eric Latimore, E Aaron Maybin, T Tom McEowen, T Jared Odrick, T Ollie Ogbu, T Phillip Taylor, E Johnnie Troutman -- Where's the beef? It's heading to State College. This may be the best position class signed by anybody.
Boing.
Offensive LinemanQuote4. PENN STATE: T/G Lou Eliades, G/C Doug Klopacz, G Antonio Logan-El, G J.B. Walton -- The Nittany Lions raided Maryland, getting seven of that state's top 10 prospects, including Logan-El and Walton.
Even though it isn't nearly as impressive as the D-line class I get more excited about this.
I can't get excited about O-linemen, no matter how good they are.
QuoteDienhart's SportingBlog
Penn State, who do you think you are?
March 2, 2006
Pitt coach Dave Wannstedt has tried. He really has. He wants to play Penn State. Heck, he used to as a Panther player, and he loved it. But the Nittany Lions want none of the Panthers.
It's a shame, really.
Oh, Penn State will play Pitt -- as long as the Panthers make two visits to State College for every one the Nittany Lions make to Pitt.
Where does Penn State come off making that demand?
I was in Wannstedt's office earlier this week, but we didn't talk about Penn State. He's busy trying to build a program. And from the looks of the Pitt facilities and recent recruiting class, Wannstedt has the Panthers pointed toward big things.
Penn State? I guess it has bigger non-conference fish to fry than Pitt. You know, games vs. the likes of Central Michigan, Cincinnati, Akron, Central Florida, Temple and Kent State in recent years. This year, I-AA Youngstown State is on the Nits' schedule.
But there's no room for a home-and-home with Pitt. What a flipping joke.
Imagine the excitement an annual Pitt-Penn State game would generate. It's not difficult to do, considering the schools met pretty much every year from 1915-2000. What has changed at Penn State for it now to view Pitt like it's Eastern Montana Tech?
Pitt is in a BCS league and plays in an NFL stadium. That's good, right? The game would be a sellout and likely televised nationally. That's good, right?
Hmmm. This may take some detective work.
Some say Penn State snubs its nose at Pitt because of a grudge Joe Paterno holds against the Panthers. This goes back to the early 1980s, when JoePa proposed the idea of an Eastern-based conference. Pitt rejected it. JoePa seethed. If that's true, doesn't JoePa know that grudges and resentment only hurt the person holding them? He's too old for that junk.
Maybe Penn State's outlandish 2-for-1 demands aren't based on an old-time grudge held by Paterno. Maybe Penn State is just flat-out scared of Pitt. If that's the case, well, that's just sad.
What this all boils down to is ego. It's a simple case of one school thinking it's better than another. How else can you explain Penn State's demands?
what a douche bag
penn st does the same thing with md
Puck Fitt.
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f69/r4ul/cid_POBRQA5za5.jpg)
awesome.
The 3 years actually is from seasons 99-00, 00-01, and 01-02. So, their final four appearance is wiped from the record books. Now, that's just fun for everyone.
Young Lion anxious to roar again
An injury forced Derrick Williams to miss much of Penn State's season.
By Frank Fitzpatrick
Inquirer Staff Writer
Sometimes Derrick Williams cried on the practice field because it hurt so much - the inactivity, not the broken left arm that forced him to miss the tail end of Penn State's remarkable 2005 season.
Sometimes coach Joe Paterno would put an arm around the broad shoulders of his prized recruit and try to convince him that the painful down-time might prove to be a beneficial experience. He could learn more about pass routes from the sideline. He could learn more about defenses and coaching tactics.
But mostly Williams, a wide receiver, learned that he couldn't abide life without football.
"It was very depressing," Williams said yesterday during a break from Penn State's spring practices. "I'd never been hurt, never missed a game or a practice. Sometimes I'd go out there and cry. Joe said, 'You can learn a lot more from this experience.' But I really didn't want to hear it."
Now, fully healed and seasoned by both a spectacular half-season and the sideline classroom that followed the Oct. 15 injury at Michigan, Williams is eager for his sophomore season to begin.
With Michael Robinson's legs extracted from a Penn State offense that now will feature junior Anthony Morelli at quarterback, his versatility and game-breaking abilities become even more important. Look for Williams, who ran the ball as often as he caught it in 2005, to line up more often in the backfield.
"One thing the coaches said is that they're not worried about [seeing him run the ball during the spring]," he said. "They know I can do it."
Fast, tough and smart, there apparently is little that Williams can't do on the football field. He is, as his teammates will attest, a force of nature.
"What surprised me about him as a freshman," said defensive tackle Jay Alford, "was how fast he is. He's unbelievable."
And like so much else in nature, Williams has been reborn this spring.
"The return to contact was a joy," he said. "Just being out there again with my teammates. Missing practice was one of the toughest things in the world for me. Missing something I loved so much. It just [stinks] sitting there and watching."
Before sitting out the final four games of Penn State's 10-1 regular season as well its Orange Bowl win over Florida State, the freshman from Greenbelt, Md., had been the player who gave opposing coordinators nightmares.
In seven games, he caught 22 passes for 289 yards and a touchdown that beat Northwestern in that game's final minute. He ran the ball another 22 times for 116 yards and 3 TDs. And he returned 13 kickoffs, including one for 56 yards against Central Michigan.
"He can play the game of football," Ohio State coach Jim Tressel said before the teams met last October. "There are some guys who are just fast, but are maybe not football players. Derrick Williams is a football player. He's out there having fun."
But it wasn't much fun being on the sideline. After doctors set the break, it took several weeks for the swelling to subside.
"I had to take a couple of steps back in the weight room," Williams said. "It probably took a month for me to get my range of motion back."
That still seemed to leave him plenty of time to heal for the Jan. 3 Orange Bowl. But even though Williams practiced in Florida and said he was feeling near 100 percent, the always cautious Paterno held him out against Florida State.
"I really didn't lobby [the coaches to let him play]," Williams said. "I knew it was in the coaches' hands and I knew Joe would make a good decision. My family and I put our trust in his hands.
"Now it really feels better than ever, stronger than ever. When I came in this spring, I was back at full tilt. I wasn't rusty or anything like that."
It's a good thing the arm is healthy. As Williams and the other Nittany Lions receivers have learned during spring practices and in off-season workouts together, Morelli's passes are delivered with a great deal more speed than Robinson's.
"He throws one of the best balls I've ever seen in my life," Williams said.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 13, 2006, 12:31:01 PM
"He throws one of the best balls I've ever seen in my life," Williams said.
That's what I like to hear.
Rumor: Austin Scott tore his MCL yesterday
Sucks for him. It was nice that he had a positive impact on the team in the Orange Bowl, considering his high pedigree coming out of high school, but Tony Hunt is a far superior all-around back, and now they can consider working in Royster or Carter as a true freshman.
kinlaw will be the back-up
i cant imagine they want to play carter or royster next year but definitely not both...they are way too small...they both need a year in the weight room
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 13, 2006, 03:21:05 PM
kinlaw will be the back-up
Yeah, I didn't want to mention his name, but you're probably right.
I've seen precisely nothing exciting from Rodney Kinlaw.
yeah i havent seen enough of him to know...i have to think he can at least hold down the back-up role...to avoid having to waste royster or carters redshirt year
Quote from: FFatPatt on April 13, 2006, 03:37:06 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 13, 2006, 03:21:05 PM
kinlaw will be the back-up
Yeah, I didn't want to mention his name, but you're probably right.
I've seen precisely nothing exciting from Rodney Kinlaw.
I know he is mad fast but thats about all I can say on him. Scott has had three years to get his shtein together and as much as I hate to see him get hurt it doesn't concern me.
blue-white weekend is going on and i got 2 calls last night from people that spotted me up in state college.
which is weird since i'm not there.
Rainy pregame show right now. They were talking to Bobby Engram...
game on
Morelli out there now. Nice pass to Norwood down to the 15 already
Man Morelli throws freakin lasers. :o
10-0 Blue, 3rd Q. The TD was on the final play before halftime as BranDon Snow ran it in from 1 yd out. Morelli was something like 13/16, 170 yds at the half, and DWill looks completely recovered... :yay
If they can protect Morelli, they will be VERY dangerous this year.
They keep showing commercials for a new restaurant on campus...Quaker Steak and Lube (http://www.quakersteakandlube.com) :-\
Paul Cianciolo played the first half as the White QB, but now he's the Blue QB. Had a nice pass to Norwood to get inside the 25, then completed a TD pass to Lyons....17-0 Blue after 3
DWill lined up at QB on two plays. The first was a complete pass to Norwood for about 5 yds, then the next play was launched 35 yds down the left sideline :o
So whats the word on Scott?
Not as bad as originally thought
The Chiefs just took Tamba Hali #20 overall...
Carl Peterson loves him sum PSU.
Too early for Hali, IMO.
Niners just selected Michael Robinson with pick 100
Titans picked Calvin Lowry at 102.
Tampa selects Zemaitis
Anwar Phillips still on a board.
Tyler Reed, OG, taken by Chicago.
Ethan Kilmer, WR/DB, taken by Cincy at 209. Wow.
Their replacement for Kevin Walter who left for HOU.
Quote from: FFatPatt on April 30, 2006, 04:16:16 PM
Ethan Kilmer, WR/DB, taken by Cincy at 209. Wow.
If nothing else he is probably pretty valuable as KR/PR. I wonder if he would have been drafted if he didn't make that catch again FSU on national TV.
I can't believe that Anwar Phillips hasn't been taken if he goes without being picked I would love for the Birds to sign him.
Harrell, Rice and Phillips haven't been drafted yet.
Paxson signed with the Steelers
Penn State's first commit for 2007:
Chris Colasanti (http://rivals100.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=44981)
ILB from Michigan
Isaac Smolko also signed with the Steelers, and Anwar Phillips signed with the Saints this evening....
Paterno voted into college football Hall of Fame (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=2446796)
State of Affairs
With over 30 offers extended, the Penn State coaches are pursuing prospects from Michigan to North Carolina. In fact, only about 21 percent of their offers have gone to Pensylvanian prospects. If you add in other traditional recruiting areas like New Jersey, New York, Delaware, Maryland, Washington, D.C. and Virginia, that number increases to about 62 percent of the total current offers.
Here is a state-by-state breakdown of the offer board:
Pennsylvania: 7
North Carolina: 5
Michigan: 4
New Jersey: 4
Maryland: 2
New York: 2
Ohio: 2
Virginia: 2
Delaware: 2
Washington, D.C.: 2
Alabama: 1
Arkansas: 1
Decisions Made
Of the 34 known prospects with Penn State offers nearly 16 percent (five) have made pledges to a program, with one (Chris Colasanti) selecting Penn State.
The players with Penn State offers who have made their commitments so far are:
Chris Colasanti: Penn State
Sidell Corley: Florida
Broderick Green: USC
Duval Kamara: Notre Dame
Mike Ragone: Notre Dame
As an aside, Broderick Green indicates he is still interested in looking at other programs outside of the Trojans, telling Scout.com recently, "I think I'll visit Penn State, Oklahoma State, Tennessee and Texas."
Offer Board
Here is Penn State's current offer board by position:
Quarterback
Tyrod Taylor: Hampton, Va.
Offensive Line
Will Alvarez: Woodbridge, Va.
Nick Jenkins: Wheaton, Md.
Josh Marks: Catawissa, Pa.
Devon Still: Wilmington, Del.
Stefen Wisniewski: Pittsburgh, Pa.
Tight End
Devonte Campbell: Forestville, Md.
Rob Gronkowski: Williamsville, N.Y.
Andrew Sczerba: Wilmington, Del.
Wide Receiver
Arrelious Benn: Washington, D.C. Jon Ditto: Monroeville, Pa.
Greg Little: Durham, N.C.
Derek Moye: Rochester, Pa.
Lansford Watson: Brooklyn, N.Y.
Taurian Washington: Orchard Lake, Mich.
Maurice Williams: Erie, Pa.
Running Back
Daronte McNeil: Elizabeth City, N.C.
Ryan Houston: Matthews, N.C.
Defensive Tackle
Marvin Austin: Washington, D.C.
Joseph Barksdale: Detroit, Mich.
Defensive End
Derrick Morgan: Coatesville, Pa.
Justin Trattou: Ramsey, N.J.
Linebacker
Andrew Dailey: Massillon, Ohio
Kevion Latham: Greensboro, N.C.
Barquell Rivers: Wadesboro, N.C.
Nathan Stupar: State College, Pa.
Cornerback
Cedric Everson: Detroit, Mich.
Tony Logan: Piscataway, N.J.
Elizabeth City, NC is a special place...
...to stop for gas and/or to take a piss on the way to or from OBX.
That Tyrod Taylor is really climbing recruiting boards. He apparently did very well at the Nike Camp in State College. People thought he was more of an athlete but he showed polished passing skills at the camp. Mike Robinson needs to be on the phone with this guy early and often.
Edit: Josh Marks is also announcing tonight. It is thought he is going to PSU.
if they dont get anyone else on that list they gotta get marvin austin...best defensive player in the country
arrelious benn is sick with his too but hes going to notre dame
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 19, 2006, 03:48:53 PM
if they dont get anyone else on that list they gotta get marvin austin...best defensive player in the country
arrelious benn is sick with his too but hes going to notre dame
Marvin Austin is considered the best player in the country period right now, he would be your ALE of last year.
I do agree that Benn is not likely to come to PSU but Kamara just committed to Notre Dame so I am not sure he will go there.
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 19, 2006, 03:48:53 PM
if they dont get anyone else on that list they gotta get marvin austin...best defensive player in the country
You gotta figure they're good to go at DT after this past recruiting class.
Quote from: FFatPatt on May 19, 2006, 03:54:00 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 19, 2006, 03:48:53 PM
if they dont get anyone else on that list they gotta get marvin austin...best defensive player in the country
You gotta figure they're good to go at DT after this past recruiting class.
I agree but it would nice to have another #1 player.
The guy I want is the RB from NC. He is a physical freak. 6-2 245 4.58.
Of course Benn is tops on my list but I am not expecting much on that end.
Marvin Austin is considered the best player in the country period right now, he would be your ALE of last year.
hes supposedly a way better prospect than logan el...marvin would get a 6th star if they awarded them...logan el was only four stars
havent seen austin play yet but i have seen benn and he is phenominal...im gonna go this year when their high schools play each other
I meant that you said you wanted ALE more than anyone last year. And Austin is that dude this year.
oh yeah
but im like you in that i like benn the best...they just arent getting him
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 19, 2006, 04:13:24 PM
oh yeah
but im like you in that i like benn the best...they just arent getting him
Well since you are saying that it probably means they will. Nice avatar by the way.
As expected PSU lands 4 star (pennstatescout .com) OL Josh Marks last night. :yay
Quote from: NGM on May 20, 2006, 01:41:07 PM
As expected PSU lands 4 star (pennstatescout .com) OL Josh Marks last night. :yay
He and all the others that committed already will probably re-commit at least once more. Too early.
Stupar (http://rivals100.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?pr_key=39400) committed to PSU today. Another 4-star LB...
My Dad told me today that Pat Bostic committed to Pitt, I guess getting Devlin killed any shot at getting him. He also told me that he watched Stupar play last year against Bishop McDevitt/Lesean McCoy and the kid was all over the place, he said he reminds him of Puz. If he is half that good we got ourselves one helluva a ball player.
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on May 26, 2006, 05:39:36 PM
My Dad told me today that Pat Bostic committed to Pitt, I guess getting Devlin killed any shot at getting him. He also told me that he watched Stupar play last year against Bishop McDevitt/Lesean McCoy and the kid was all over the place, he said he reminds him of Puz. If he is half that good we got ourselves one helluva a ball player.
I read an article comparing Devlin and Bostic which basically stated they are equal in ability. Devlin had better stats for the most part and the only reason he was a 4 star last year is because how strong the QB class was last year. This years relatively weaker class makes Bostic a 5 star. Take from that what you will.
QuoteYou know you went to Penn State if...
You've had a pony at the Skellar.
You were attacked by a squirrel.
You've wondered who and why the hell anyone sits in the front row @ the Forum.
You tried to find a way into the tunnel system.
You've had your car towed away by Tennis' or Walk's.
You're ok with no name being on your jersey.
You start to hold your breath before the drum major even starts running out for the flip.
You've been involved in a soda cup brawl with 100,000 of your closest friends.
You were half frozen after walking across Parking Lot 80 on the way to class from East Halls.
Someone tells you they lived on Beaver for three years and you don't think that's odd.
Every once in a while you just crave a Chicken Cosmo (and you know what it is).
You've ever had a Tonto's Demise, Original Sin, Cherry Bombs, or an El Nino.
You know what a monkey boy is.
You've called for a taxi and a 1984 Chevy Nova pulls up.
You've participated in THON.
When someone says "Teas" only one particular type of beverage comes to your mind and Lipton doesn't make it.
You've enjoyed the fine cuisine that was Cluck U Chicken.
You don't know the goddamn words.
You passed more than one class using Nittany Notes.
You know how to "penny lock" someone inside a room.
You've debated the validity and proper use of the terms "soda" and "pop" as well as "gum band" and "rubber band." (correct answers are: SODA and rubberband)
You've wanted, and gotten, the Lion.
You've enjoyed burritos as big as your head.
You participated in turning a yearly cultural and artistic event into an event synonymous with partying.
Sleeping through fire alarms is not so much a decision as it is a practice.
Being drunk at 2 pm at 210 is not sad but rather an honor and a privilege.
You've had to dodge an OPP van that's driving on the sidewalk.
You think of Calder Way as your personal outdoor toilet.
You're sure Velveeta and Green Eggs and Spam are almost big time.
You've ever taken the Loop to class.
You've ever been late to class because of the mass of freshmen that got on the Loop at East Halls, only to get off one stop later.
You're going to hell, because according to Gary the Willard Preacher, everyone at Penn State is going to hell.
You've ever wondered if the Willard Preacher knew something that you didn't.
You still have uncountable and unpaid parking tickets from campus that you got because you were too lazy to walk.
You remember Uncle Chens General Tso's chicken.
You can call 867-5309, and actually have someone pick up on the other end.
You still have your IM Jerseys and occasionally wear them proudly.
You own a piece of Penn State clothing...for every day of the week...or month.
You know what the hell "the Stacks" are.
You've ever laughed when a friend at another school told you that they couldn't imagine a better college experience.
You've drank Captain and Cokes out of a pitcher on Tuesday nights.
You've been to Movin' On.
Scheduled your courses in Spring so you could spend Friday afternoons sitting outside at the Cafe.
You had a Grad student teaching you a really hard Physics class named Bang Yi Yang and his first statement was "I not speak velly good englis".
Fast Break was not just a basketball term.
It seems odd for McDonald's to be busier at 6pm than at 3am.
Sideshow Bob was not just a Simpson's character.
You've been to Table Wars and seen the Phyrst Family.
Asking for "a Lager" can only be taken one way.
There's nothing odd about sitting in the balcony of the auditorium for class...or falling asleep there.
Still think the G-Man has the best wings you've ever had.
Think College Pizza is the best drunk food ever.
Grilled Sticky is part of your personal lexicon.
You know somebody who has either humped or urinated on that metal pig downtown.
You thought it was perfectly normal to sleep on the floor of The HUB Fishbowl in between classes.
You become outraged to find anyone charge more than a buck for a slice of pizza.
You say the name "Joe" and no last name is required.
You think Natural Light or Beast isn't actually that bad but PBR is still crap.
You would go back and do it all over again.
...You know where you spent the 4-6 best years of your life!... For the Glory...!
This one terrified me...
Quote from: phattymatty on June 05, 2006, 04:24:58 PM
QuoteYou know you went to Penn State if...
You remember Uncle Chens General Tso's chicken.
Remember it, I still dream about it.
I stopped dreaming about it and started nightmaring after the last time I ordered it.
Literally, it had 7 long hairs in it.
I still ate it.
i did love me some chicken cosmos
PSU got these recruits:
CB Chaz Powell (http://rivals100.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?pr_key=49446)
P/K Ryan Breen (http://rivals100.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?pr_key=52491)
...and will probably get this one soon:
WR Nick Sukay (http://rivals100.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?pr_key=36641)
I guess this is the year to recruit the big white WR's.
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=67245307
Ha!
http://www.centredaily.com/mld/centredaily/news/local/15069614.htm
what's that article about?
youre really starting to annoy me....
Police seeking ex-PSU player
Chisley a 'person of interest' in student's death
By Pete Bosak
pbosak@centredaily.com
BELLEFONTE -- Former Penn State football player Lavon Chisley is a "person of interest" in the June 5 stabbing death of university senior Langston D. Carraway, the Centre Daily Times has confirmed.
Chisley, who is a friend of the victim, left the area soon after Carraway's bloody body was found inside of his Patton Township apartment He is being held on marijuana-possession charges in Anne Arundel County, Md. Centre County authorities also placed a detainer on Chisley, saying he is wanted in Centre County.
Karen Muir, Chisley's attorney, said she expects the former Nittany Lion to be charged with homicide in the very near future, although police have remained tight-lipped about the investigation.
"I anticipate in the next 10 days he will be charged," Muir said. "And we do intend to fight these charges to the fullest."
While Chisley is wanted on an outstanding drug charge in Centre County, District Attorney Michael Madeira confirmed Tuesday that police want to talk to him about Carraway's death, which the coroner said was from multiple stab wounds to the neck and chest.
Carraway, 26, was found in a pool of blood in his living room, where he was attacked. Police think Carraway knew his killer, as officers found no sign of forced entry into his Northbrook Lane apartment.
A racial epithet was smeared onto a nearby wall in the apartment, sources said.
"He is a person of interest," Madeira said. "We'd like to talk with him. He may be able to shed some light on what occurred. Because he hasn't been around, we want to talk with him."
Sources said Chisley left Centre County within days of Carraway's death, first heading to Georgia before landing in the Anne Arundle Detention Center in lieu of $2,700 bail. Because of the detainer placed on him by Centre County authorities, Chisley cannot be released even if he posts bail, detention center spokeswoman Angela Walker said.
Chisley, 22, was scheduled to be in Centre County Court for a protection from abuse hearing Monday. The hearing was the result of charges brought against him by his former girlfriend, who said in court documents that Chisley threatened her and their child and threatened to shoot a member of the woman's family.
The 6-feet, 5-inch former defensive end -- kicked off of the Penn State team last season because of poor grades -- has had some run-ins with the law, including accusations he threatened to kill his girlfriend's uncle and later causing a disturbance in the courthouse before a scheduled court appearance.
Police first became suspicious of Chisley after he did not attend the funeral for his friend or contact the Carraway family to offer condolences, Madeira said.
"I know they were friends," Madeira said. "He was friends with the victim, and he has not answered some of the questions we have because he was not around. That does not make him guilty.
"He's just someone we want to talk with," Madeira said.
When that will happen was unclear Tuesday. Chisley will have to go through the court system in Maryland before returning to Pennsylvania to face drug charges in Centre County.
Madeira, who is out of town at a district attorney's association meeting, did not know whether police had arranged to interview Chisley in that Maryland jail.
The county's top prosecutor declined to say whether police found physical evidence at the scene that they can link to Chisley. "Nothing we could discuss at this point," Madeira said.
The apparent motive in Carraway's death appears to be drug connected, perhaps a robbery, Madeira said.
Carraway's father, Vernon, who works in Penn State's office of Vice Provost for Educational Equity, declined to comment.
Chisley started nine games for Penn State in 2003, and has 67 career tackles (35 solo) and five sacks.
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 19, 2006, 09:54:17 AM
youre really starting to annoy me....
sorry homie. i got tight restrictions at work. i can't click on any articles whatsoever. you should be lookin out for your boy instead of getting mad.
get a new job
no
you can get on here but not a newspaper website?
Go STATE! Stab everyone!
Quote from: phattymatty on July 19, 2006, 10:20:18 AM
you can get on here but not a newspaper website?
yeah, it's all about the words in the web address
WE ARE!!!!!!!
PENN fargING STATE, MOTHER fargER!
PSU close to selling out all home football games for 2006 (http://live.psu.edu/story/18634)
However...
QuoteLimited tickets remain for two home games, the Sept. 2 season opener with Akron at 3:30 p.m. and the Nov. 11 contest with Temple. Tickets for both games are on sale exclusively at http://www.GoPSUsports.com online.
Phone orders, counter and group sales for Akron and Temple will take place only if tickets remain as of July 20. Phone and counter sales will begin Friday, July 21 at 8 a.m. if tickets remain. The numbers to call are: 814-865-5555 or 800-863-3336 weekdays from 8 a.m. to 5 p.m.
Amazing that the football powerhouse Temple isn't a bigger draw.
i need tix...who got 'em
i might go to the notre dame game. some dude's got tickets.
Matt Rice had 3 sacks for the Rams tonight
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 11, 2006, 01:04:30 AM
Matt Rice had 3 sacks for the Rams tonight
Matt Rice > Tamba Hali!
(OK, not really.)
Princeton Review's new rankings came out today
QuoteTop 10 party schools
1. University of Texas-Austin
2. Penn State University
3. West Virginia University
4. University of Wisconsin-Madison
5. University of Mississippi
6. Ohio University
7. University of Mass.-Amherst
8. Louisiana State University
9. University of Iowa
10. University of California-Santa Barbara
Word.
Did they officially retire UCLA from the rankings, or have they simply fallen that far?
I can vouch for Ohio University.
Quote from: EagleFeva on August 22, 2006, 11:22:31 AM
I can vouch for Ohio University.
As can I. Halloween at that place is farging ridiculous.
I can't vouch for Penn State. There weren't numerous times I completely blacked out and found out later just how ridiculously drunk I was. And I certainly never woke up in the morning next to anyone I didn't remember. And I certainly didn't personally drive no less than 3-4 of my friends to the hospital to get their stomachs pumped.
Obviously, none of that ever occurred. What a snoozefest.
Your friends needed their stomachs pumped? Ha. farging lightweights.
If you can't take the heat, don't go to Penn State.
All but one of them were chicks. And the other one was a freshman. So, yes. You're correct.
So thats why everyone I know who went to PSU came back fat this year.
Quote from: MDS on August 22, 2006, 12:52:16 PM
So thats why everyone I know who went to PSU came back fat this year.
The commons food certainly doesn't help, but the alcohol was certainly more to blame for my initial weight gain.
Since I went to school at 6'0", 160, it all worked out.
Quote from: MDS on August 22, 2006, 12:52:16 PM
So thats why everyone I know who went to PSU came back fat this year.
You never heard of the Freshman 15?
Quote from: rjs246 on August 22, 2006, 12:20:38 PM
Quote from: EagleFeva on August 22, 2006, 11:22:31 AM
I can vouch for Ohio University.
As can I. Halloween at that place is farging ridiculous.
'97, '99 and '03.
I have partied at 4 of the schools on that list, and I must say that of those four they are all deserving of that list. I have been to PSU, WVU, Wisconsin, and Texas. Of the four I would put PSU on the bottom of that list, my reason the sluts up at PSU aren't nearly as slutty unless you go to school there. The other schools like strangers.
the slut factor at wva is off the charts
WVU is definitely a sick party school too, but I'd take PSU over Morgantown every day of the week.
Quote from: rjs246 on August 22, 2006, 11:12:59 PM
WVU is definitely a sick party school too, but I'd take PSU over Morgantown every day of the week.
I guess it is harder for me to judge because every time I have gone down there something crazy has been going on. The best thing about PSU compared to the rest of those schools other than football day is the fact the bars always have good specials and prices. To me of all of those schools though the best would be Wisconsin for partying they are very liberal when it comes to smokin the reefer.
State College is far and away the cheapest place I have ever been in terms of booze. The only places I know of that even come close are all foreign cities and most of them are now super-expensive thanks to the farging Euro.
Quote from: rjs246 on August 22, 2006, 01:59:44 PM
Quote from: EagleFeva on August 22, 2006, 01:40:53 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on August 22, 2006, 12:20:38 PM
Quote from: EagleFeva on August 22, 2006, 11:22:31 AM
I can vouch for Ohio University.
As can I. Halloween at that place is farging ridiculous.
'97, '99 and '03.
Just '98 for me. Dear god.
:-D
I got a buddy who lives in Athens. '97 and '99 were a lot more fun considering I wasn't engaged and all that like I was in '03. A little more limiting the last time. I can pretty much guarantee you from the 1st few times though... there are still a handful of women there who think that Brian Joseph is my real name (which it's not).
All I had for a costume was this stupid plastic half-mask that went over my nose and upper lip. It made me look like some sort of alcoholic alien chipmunk. That has little to do with your story but that goddamned mask made every single person I saw laugh their ass off. I wish I was wearing it right now.
Just getting her warmed up.
WE ARE!
17 1/2 point favorites tomorrow.
can't wait to see how the offense looks.
If they win either of the OSU or ND games I will be mildly excited.
Go.
State.
Beat.
Zips.
Novemeber 11th. Thanks.
Get pumped, fans and alums (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=57781835627480034&q=football+highlights&hl=en)... In case you forgot, PSU football is back.
3:30 Akron at PSU - ESPN2
Favre yeah.
Michael Robinson has 12-59 with 2 TDs tonight for SF. Not too shabby.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 02, 2006, 12:47:40 AM
Michael Robinson has 12-59 with 2 TDs tonight for SF. Not too shabby.
From what I saw of Alex Smith, he should be crawling up the depth chart at QB too. Yikes.
College football is upon us. Get loaded sports fans!
Akron has shtein for a team except Luke Getsy. Who will undoubtedly look like shtein against PSU's defense.
Getsy's actually pretty good.
Morelli's better.
10-0 State, 2nd qtr.
17. Oops.
These guys suck.
OK, that's better.
I have a Chris Bell jersey. You're all jealous.
Yay. You have no shot against Notre Dame.
This is not news.
It'll be news when Temple goes into gay Happy Valley and wins.
Five drunken observations, starting with the negative:
1. Apparently Andy Reid was calling the plays because State ran about 5 times. Their offensive looks like it will get swallowed come Big Ten time.
2. Watch Morrelli try to check down, its not good. Everytime his head swiveled he either over or under threw his receiver.
3. Derrick Willams=Steve Smith.
4. Deon Butler is probably a better technical receiver than D Williams, which would make this corp the 2nd best (USC) in the country.
5. Penn State is traditionally a slow starter, so in this case that might bode well for the season.
Also Penn State needs a farging special teams coach.
Manneans.
Quote from: FFatPatt on September 02, 2006, 07:24:29 PM
Quote from: MDS on September 02, 2006, 07:11:00 PM
Yay. You have no shot against Notre Dame.
Agreed.
Couldn't disagree more, ND is very overrated this year. PSU only threw so much because they had a big advantage in that aspect. Trust me they definately have a shot against ND. They are currentyly getting beat by GT. PSU's D will not be nearly as bad next week.
A win in South Bend over this over-hyped ND team would be too good to be true, which is why it won't happen.
i would've agreed about the no shot against ND thing until i started watching them play tonight. it's alot of hype for a great quarterback, good wideouts, a good running back, and a zesty offensive line. i give PSU a shot to win.
Quote from: FFatPatt on September 02, 2006, 10:03:49 PM
A win in South Bend over this over-hyped ND team would be too good to be true, which is why it won't happen.
It might not happen, but I think PSU is every bit as good as ND this year. And I am not one of those PSU fans that has ridiculous expectations. Personally I think they are a 8-9 win team, that being said they are setting a solid foundation for a very serious run next season.
Next season never arrives. Now or never.
we most definitely have a shot next week. morelli looked better than I expected and USC defense didn't look too hot last night.
Quote from: phattymatty on September 03, 2006, 10:37:57 AM
we most definitely have a shot next week. morelli looked better than I expected and USC defense didn't look too hot last night.
What does that have to do with the PSU vs. ND game?
Quote from: FFatPatt on September 03, 2006, 11:05:37 AM
Quote from: phattymatty on September 03, 2006, 10:37:57 AM
we most definitely have a shot next week. morelli looked better than I expected and USC defense didn't look too hot last night.
What does that have to do with the PSU vs. ND game?
Only everything. USC and ND meet in the final week of the season. Dummy.
usc, nd, same thing.
2 days.
The homer in me is starting to come out and I've been talking some mild trash to the ND fans I know.
same here. i haven't been this excited for a psu game in a long time.
Quote from: phattymatty on September 07, 2006, 11:55:00 AM
same here. i haven't been this excited for a psu game in a long time.
I was pretty excited for the Orange Bowl - any chance for Paterno to beat Bowden is OK with me.
true but that was even if we win, we're 3rd. big deal. at least now i can still have some glimmer of hope for an undefeated season. and we jump up to top ten if we win.
Quote from: phattymatty on September 07, 2006, 12:10:34 PM
true but that was even if we win, we're 3rd. big deal. at least now i can still have some glimmer of hope for an undefeated season. and we jump up to top ten if we win.
If they can't get the running game going, they lose Saturday and lose to OSU and Michigan at least.
So, I'm pretty damn nervous.
Quote from: FFatPatt on September 07, 2006, 11:11:46 AM
The homer in me is starting to come out and I've been talking some mild trash to the ND fans I know.
I've been laying it on the ND fans I know pretty thick, if we lose and I know the odds are that we will than I'm in for some shtein.
PSU over the Irish chumps, and we pray O:)
Lets farging go!!!
13 1/2 hours.
GO! STATE! BEAT! IRISH!
I'm Italian and Irish but today I'm all Italian!!1!!!!
farg NOTRE DAME!!!
1 hr bitches. last time they played i was i 5th grade
Akron just beat NC State. :-D
In other news, my school, Wake Forest, in what was possibly the WORST GAME I HAVE EVER SEEN, beats Duke 14-13 by blocking a 27 yard field goal with no time left to go to 2-0.
Oh yeah, go PSU! :yay
Quote from: NGM on September 02, 2006, 07:21:50 PM
Five drunken observations, starting with the negative:
1. Apparently Andy Reid was calling the plays because State ran about 5 times. Their offensive looks like it will get swallowed come Big Ten time.
2. Watch Morrelli try to check down, its not good. Everytime his head swiveled he either over or under threw his receiver.
3. Derrick Willams=Steve Smith.
4. Deon Butler is probably a better technical receiver than D Williams, which would make this corp the 2nd best (USC) in the country.
5. Penn State is traditionally a slow starter, so in this case that might bode well for the season.
Also Penn State needs a farging special teams coach.
Manneans.
FARGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG
well this isn't starting out too nicely.
Penn St should get neckbeard to hold.
I guess there is a reason for the saying "luck of the Irish."
Farg this I'm getting sloshed.
PSU was outplaying them early on too. Moving the ball with ease, albeit on an average ND defense, but they are making key mistakes that cost you games.
Brady Quinn isn't very impressive. If he goes #1 overall in the draft, it will be laughable.
Whatever. ND taking advantage of PSU mistakes. Game shouldn't be this much of a blowout, but it's over.
At least I didn't go to Temple.
We are...not really good.
Pathetic. They just blew it today. Luck of the Irish indeed.
ND's #9 is a fargin stud. Hopefully Dawkins replacement :evil
Zbikowski....one of the top safeties in the '07 draft. ....and he has a mohawk
27-0
i wasn't about to try and spell that... :-D
big run by Morelli, NO FLAG!
Take that, bitches! No precious shutout for you!! MORE BEER FOR ME!D!)(D!J!
excuse me while i go drown myself in booze :boom
Zbikowski's okay. Not that impressed.
ND's the better team and all, but they had every lucky break today. The clipping penalty on that screen pass in the second was complete bullshtein. Posluszny looked like shtein today.
Cheer Cheer for Old Notre Dame
Sorry Penn State fans, your team still sucks... and I just won some big money on this game as well. Cheer cheer, indeed.
Quote from: BigEd76 on September 09, 2006, 05:42:15 PM
Zbikowski....one of the top safeties in the '07 draft. ....and he has a mohawk
Eh. He's not that fast and is worse than Michael Lewis in coverage, I'd take probably 6 or 7 guys over him.
He's a SS too mussa, so he wouldnt replace Dawkins. He returns punts though, he has that going for him.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on September 09, 2006, 06:52:47 PM
Posluszny looked like shtein today.
No way he's able to live up to the hype this year.
Quote from: FFatPatt on September 09, 2006, 09:11:26 PM
No way he's able to live up to the hype this year.
he's a step slow from the knee injury. Dan Connor is the best LB on the team now
i think Derek Williams had the worst game overall though
Derrick Williams definitely didn't play his best one. We've yet to see the best from him, though.
That Sean Lee kid was making a ton of plays at LB also.
Quote from: SunMo on September 09, 2006, 10:57:48 PM
Quote from: FFatPatt on September 09, 2006, 09:11:26 PM
No way he's able to live up to the hype this year.
he's a step slow from the knee injury. Dan Connor is the best LB on the team now
i think Derek Williams had the worst game overall though
Yup, and I'd say he's lost more than a step. He's great in the middle but when he has to move laterally or play pass coverage he's awful.
Just remember, Notre Dame has a 'no sleeping over' rule in their dorms. People of the opposite sex are not allowed to sleep over. So only dudes are allowed to stay in dudes' rooms. So really, Penn State always wins versus ND. Non heteros.
Quote from: rjs246 on September 10, 2006, 11:02:23 AM
So really, Penn State always wins versus ND. Non heteros.
I got busted unaccompanied in an all-girls dorm once. They acted all tough about it for 2 minutes, then said, "Just don't do it again." I did it no less than 20 more times freshman year alone. Stupid RA's.
My dorm freshman year was co-ed. Not having to leave the building for hookups is the epitome of laziness. I embraced it fully.
My dorm was as non co-ed as it got. Complete ghetto. Stuart Hall.
Penn State sure was good yesterday ;D
mckean hall what.
living with only dudes is so gay.
Quote from: phattymatty on September 10, 2006, 04:40:06 PM
mckean hall what.
living with only dudes is so gay.
Living with rjs is pretty damn gay.
Living with rjs is farging sexy. Get it straight.
Quote from: rjs246 on September 10, 2006, 10:42:29 PM
Living with rjs is farging sexy. Get it straight.
If it was sexy for Matty, then we're both correct.
P.S. Is that a pun?
No.
JoePa's press conference (http://www.gopsusports.com/pressreleases/pressrelease.cfm?anncid=10685)
My favorite part:
QuoteAre the mistakes Anthony Morelli made are part of the maturing process?
When you get aggressive, yeah he made a fumble. Are they correctable? Sure, they are correctable. That is a stupid question to be honest with you.
I can't find this weeks game on my program guide, is it being televised?
espnu @ 330
Quote from: SD_Eagle on September 15, 2006, 10:07:17 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 15, 2006, 09:43:22 AM
espnu @ 330
Thanks...can't find that channel though.
Many cable providers / DTV charge extra for ESPNU. I'm going to go ahead and not watch tomorrow.
only on directv. its pretty gay. theyre airing temple/nova basketball too, which is something rougly 2% of the philly area will see (most people who have cable here have comcast).
Quote from: FFatPatt on September 15, 2006, 10:47:34 AM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on September 15, 2006, 10:07:17 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 15, 2006, 09:43:22 AM
espnu @ 330
Thanks...can't find that channel though.
Many cable providers / DTV charge extra for ESPNU. I'm going to go ahead and not watch tomorrow.
meh...that sucks. Guess I'm stuck watching ND/Michigan instead.
I'm actually going to lean my loyalties for that game to Michigan. Mostly because Penn State still has a chance to beat Michigan this year, so I want them to appear as strong as possible.
it will be on gameplan if you have a local watering hole that carries it
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 15, 2006, 11:27:48 AM
it will be on gameplan if you have a local watering hole that carries it
All the local bars have the Gameplan, including one 4 miles away that's taken over by PSU alums for every game.
I might go. I might not.
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 15, 2006, 11:27:48 AM
it will be on gameplan if you have a local watering hole that carries it
Not according to the GamePlan website (http://proxy.espn.go.com/ncf/gameplan/index). :boom
Quote from: Cerevant on September 16, 2006, 02:56:30 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 15, 2006, 11:27:48 AM
it will be on gameplan if you have a local watering hole that carries it
Not according to the GamePlan website (http://proxy.espn.go.com/ncf/gameplan/index). :boom
It's not on Gameplan, because it's on ESPNU.
A.J. Wallace is this year's Justin King, only better.
nobody with cable gets ESPNU though
Quote from: BigEd76 on September 16, 2006, 04:53:36 PM
nobody with cable gets ESPNU though
Nope. And I could get it on DTV, but I choose not to.
It's not on Gameplan, because it's on ESPNU.
espnu games are supposed to be on gameplan just as espn 'extra' games are
aj wallace went to my girls high school...i saw him a few times last year
The only thing that will make this a good game is the free drinks I will be getting from my buddy at the bar.
Go State.
28-6
wtf
It was closer than the score, but IMO there was no doubt OSU is the better team... and Morelli.. yikes. He stinks.
Quote from: FFatPatt on September 23, 2006, 07:02:52 PM
It was closer than the score, but IMO there was no doubt OSU is the better team... and Morelli.. yikes. He stinks.
It is a little early to write off Morelli, that being said if Michael Robinson was still back there PSU probably wins the game easily. Morelli has had a tough go of it no doubt, but he has had to play at two of the toughest places in the country in his first two starts. I am very excited for this teams future.
Morelli has a strong arm and NOTHING else. He was awful at feeling the pressure (or not feeling it when he was well-protected), he's awful running or throwing on the move, and more importantly, he couldn't hit the broad side of a barn. He was consistenly throwing behind his receivers and just chucked up a couple of ducks.
I mean... he made maybe 4 or 5 really good throws, and that's it.
Quote from: FFatPatt on September 24, 2006, 08:07:44 AM
Morelli has a strong arm and NOTHING else. He was awful at feeling the pressure (or not feeling it when he was well-protected), he's awful running or throwing on the move, and more importantly, he couldn't hit the broad side of a barn. He was consistenly throwing behind his receivers and just chucked up a couple of ducks.
I mean... he made maybe 4 or 5 really good throws, and that's it.
At this point I agree with you, all I am saying is that it is way too early to write him off. Remember Robinson's start to the season last year? I know they are two totally different players, but it takes some time for a QB to settle in.
I'm not writing him off completely, but I don't predict greatness.
im not predicting greatness either but at this stage of their respective careers robinson was much worse than morelli...so bad that he got moved to wr....just sayin....
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 24, 2006, 09:26:39 PM
im not predicting greatness either but at this stage of their respective careers robinson was much worse than morelli...so bad that he got moved to wr....just sayin....
Robinson really never ended up being a great QB at all, though. I cringed every time he threw an out route.
Quote from: FFatPatt on September 25, 2006, 11:06:59 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 24, 2006, 09:26:39 PM
im not predicting greatness either but at this stage of their respective careers robinson was much worse than morelli...so bad that he got moved to wr....just sayin....
Robinson really never ended up being a great QB at all, though. I cringed every time he threw an out route.
Maybe not a great QB but he was a great player. Morelli has had to play in two games in completely sloppy conditions and I didn't get to see the ND or YSU game, but to me he has shown flashes. He definately has the tools the question is can he put it together, imo he only has to be solid his WR corps could make him look great.
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on September 25, 2006, 07:02:26 PM
Quote from: FFatPatt on September 25, 2006, 11:06:59 AM
Robinson really never ended up being a great QB at all, though. I cringed every time he threw an out route.
Maybe not a great QB but he was a great player.
He had the ability to mix in his athletic running ability. As soon as he stopped putting the ball on the ground, he stepped up and became a player. Morelli does not have that ability, so we'll see.
Has Austin Scott been redshirted? If not when is the limit to do so, and why hasn't he been already?
as long as he doesnt play he can redshirt...theyve all but said they will redshirt him...he didnt even make the trip to columbus
The depth at RB is horrid. Kinlaw sucks.
Hell, Tony Hunt's pants were literally disintegrating on Saturday, but they couldn't sub out.
Quote from: FFatPatt on September 28, 2006, 03:12:41 PM
The depth at RB is horrid. Kinlaw sucks.
Hell, Tony Hunt's pants were literally disintegrating on Saturday, but they couldn't sub out.
Scott didn't even make the trip to OSU. Why let him sit on the bench, from what I've heard he has all but been redshirted I was just wondering why it hasn't happened yet. I don't know how you can say Kinlaw sucks he has never really played.
I was just wondering why it hasn't happened yet.
because they arent 100% sure...why do you need it announced so badly anyway?
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 28, 2006, 04:10:16 PM
I was just wondering why it hasn't happened yet.
because they arent 100% sure...why do you need it announced so badly anyway?
Just curious that is all, he is a talented player and if they aren't going to play him why mess around.
hes hurt
they way ive read it is that he probably could play but is def still hurting and they are figuring why play him and risk a full year of eligibility just on the hope that he doesnt get hurt again
they also dont have much at rb for next season...so it would be nice to have a quality vet to fall back on
Deon Butler had like 4 million yards receiving or something yesterday.
Penn State barely beat Minnesota in overtime due to Minn's kicker missing the XP in OT.
No way that was PI in OT. I'm happy with the W because they always struggle with Minnesota, but Penn State didn't deserve it.
If only the BS calls wouldn't have gone Michigan's way last season, the Nitts wouldn't have gotten paid back with this relatively-meaningless game the next year. Oh well. Glad I didn't get to watch it. Sounds like a mess.
Gonna have to play a lot better next Saturday night.
Nice.
Say that next weekend when I can deck your puss, tough guy.
I look forward to it. Next week is going to be silly good.
fo sho...
PSU was clearly the better team on the field, but again they continue to shoot themselves in the foot. At one point they were 2-5 in redzone attempts. Overall it as a sloppy game and they didn't seem to really be that interested most of the game.
The announcers were terrible, it was that women who might be the biggest idiot to ever announce any sport and Mike Gotfried. That guy sounds like a complete drunk when he talks.
They look like they are going to have some players that are going to be real studs from this past recruitng class. Quarless, Wallace, Odrick, and Evans.
I just saw on the ESPNews bottom line that Manningham is out for several weeks with a knee problem
Quote from: SunMo on October 10, 2006, 12:49:38 PM
I just saw on the ESPNews bottom line that Manningham is out for several weeks with a knee problem
That's huge, we're still going to lose, but the margin of victory for Michigan should be much less.
I was a little shocked to see that PSU was only a 6.5 dog this week.
the white out is worth at least seven points
PSU in an upset. Book It!!
drunk drunk drunk drunk
For whatever reason I am actually confident going in to this game. Maybe it is that I am a moron.
Does anybody have know where to find one of those maps that shows who is getting the game.
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on October 12, 2006, 09:31:29 PM
For whatever reason I am actually confident going in to this game. Maybe it is that I am a moron.
At least you realize it.
I just want to say that I am even more retarded than I ever dreamed. I actually thought PSU stood a chance tonight and they are currently getting tooled 17-3. I turned down the opportunity to go to the grand opening of a strip club where I would have been given the VIP treatment to watch this crap. At least I am drunk. I would mushroom stamp Lisa Salters.
Cianciolo for Heisman!
Too many dumb mistakes to beat a team like Wisconsin, but I really believe Morelli's going to be pretty good next season and this will be a top 15 team. That blow to the knee that JoePa took was ugly. Smallest guy on Wisconsin's O-line is 6'6 330.
One of them, Joe Thomas, will be a top 3 pick in next year's draft...
Morelli stinks
Morelli is Kerry Collins with less confidence. He needs to start drinking. :paranoid
Devlin is the answer :evil
Morelli's done well enough this year, I really think he's gonna do alright next year. The O-line needs to improve big time.
Morelli stinks
so did michael robinson...but robinson stunk for three years and got moved to wr he was so bad...morelli has played eight games in his life and behind a brutal line
Even when Morelli has time, he looks like shtein.
he should've been playing since he was a sophmore
Quote from: SunMo on November 05, 2006, 10:27:29 AM
he should've been playing since he was a sophmore
No, he should have been redshirted. He isn't a great QB but he makes some throws that are just unbelievable, and others make you wonder WTF? That pass he threw to Williams at the sideline that Williams dropped was unreal. I don't know what happened to Jordon Norwood, but he can't seem to make a catch to save his life.
broken leg and damaged ligament for JoePa (http://sportsline.com/collegefootball/story/9780538)
Is joe pa more of a man than most players on his team? Im amazed a guy who's 79 takes that kind of injury an basically refused to be taken off the field
next week temple comes in. this could be fun.
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on November 05, 2006, 06:19:22 PM
Is joe pa more of a man than most players on his team? Im amazed a guy who's 79 takes that kind of injury an basically refused to be taken off the field
Word?
(http://a.abcnews.com/images/Sports/95461715-ef8f-41a1-ba8c-787962b0d599_sp.jpeg)
look at how pissed he was to be carted off. He didnt want to sit on the back of the cart either
old fart
Hater....Lloyd Carr Sucks
i wish that hit had killed him...but since it didnt....hopefully it convinces him to retire...hes been sad for almost five years now...he does less than gibbs and is a parody of himself...
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 05, 2006, 08:36:42 PM
i wish that hit had killed him...but since it didnt....hopefully it convinces him to retire...hes been sad for almost five years now...he does less than gibbs and is a parody of himself...
Die. Just die. If people died in the order that they needed to be gone from this earth, you would be gone long before JoePa. Why don't you just go ahead and speed up the process a bit.
if i had to bet on who goes first me or joe pa my money is on havas...that cat is gonna live forever the problem is hes gonna coach forever too
Temple 17
Penn St 13
Predicition.
Same injury as Jevon Kearse.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on November 06, 2006, 09:31:57 AM
Same injury as Jevon Kearse.
He was standing on a broken shin. (http://www.gopsusports.com/pressreleases/pressrelease.cfm?anncid=11140)
(http://gopsusports.com/docs/home/110506/IMG_0724.jpg)
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 06, 2006, 07:56:27 AM
...that cat is gonna live forever the problem is hes gonna coach forever too
With his career and his philanthropy, he has earned the right to do whatever the farg he wants. He doesn't have to prove anything to anyone. I can wait for him to decide when he's done. Hell, they'll probably be carting him out on the field for 5 years after he's dead.
Tell you what, you lay down $4 Mil to the Uiversity, and the AD will let you pick the next head coach.
so the penn state head football coach position can be bought?
isnt he allowed to donate money to the school even if he isnt the head coach?
longevity is not a reason to accept medicority (or less)
not to mention a valid reason for him to go is that hes embarrassing himself....its been really sad watching him act like a senile old lunatic these last few years....for the sake of everyone but mostly himself...please GET OUT
I don't see why it matters anymore anyway. Galen Hall calls the offense, and Tom Bradley calls the defense. Larry Johnson is fastly becoming the top recruiter. It's not like Joe's holding the team back at this point. He's a figurehead and occasionally earfargs the refs. What's the big deal?
Until one of the three aforementioned assistants leaves because they're sick of Joe, there's really no reason for him to retire. That said, with the flu at OSU and the knee mess at Wisconsin, I wouldn't be surprised to see him bow out after this season for his own health.
Sooner or later the University is going to have to make a very difficult decision and it would have been nice if he would have gone out gracefully and on a winning note after last year's bowl win.
Too bad.
no team should have a figurehead head coach...you need a general to run shtein....not six different soldiers...when you become nothing more than a figurehead its time to get out...and again his sideline antics are a disgrace and an embarrassment...especially the non stop yelling at mcqueary....if youre a figure head then shut your hole and step to side...if not then coach the team....cant have a in between....it causes to much confusion and drama
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on November 06, 2006, 10:43:31 AM
Sooner or later the University is going to have to make a very difficult decision and it would have been nice if he would have gone out gracefully and on a winning note after last year's bowl win.
Too bad.
A Florida State fan is saying this? That's rich.
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 06, 2006, 10:44:45 AM
no team should have a figurehead head coach...you need a general to run shtein....not six different soldiers...when you become nothing more than a figurehead its time to get out...and again his sideline antics are a disgrace and an embarrassment...especially the non stop yelling at mcqueary....if youre a figure head then shut your hole and step to side...if not then coach the team....cant have a in between....it causes to much confusion and drama
He had every right to be screaming when the refs chose not to put time back on the clock as Wisconsin was purposely going off-sides to bleed the clock. It was amusing how it ended up costing them when they recovered a fumble with no time left.
I agree he could go at any time, but I don't really see the roles of the assistants changing very much when he leaves. They'll probably promote Bradley to HC and Johnson to DC and head recruiter.
But like I said... I think the issues at the OSU and Wisconsin games will start to signal to Joe that it's getting to be about that time.
JoePa's surgery successful (http://www.gopsusports.com/pressreleases/pressrelease.cfm?anncid=11152)
QuoteThe Penn State Football operations and medical staffs have a mobility plan in place to make Coach Paterno available for team activities on and off the field. Paterno will take a day to recover from the surgery and is expected to resume activity on Tuesday and coach in the game against Temple, which kicks off Saturday at 3:30 p.m. in Beaver Stadium.
Paterno was on the phone this morning with members of the coaching staff, discussing game planning for Temple.
Docs order Paterno to stay in hospital. May coach Temple game from the press box. (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=2654003)
please god make it stop
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 08, 2006, 03:46:47 PM
please god make it stop
(http://static.flickr.com/26/49195287_284ab7d144_o.jpg)
he just wants the easy win to keep pace with Bowden
He'll get nothing and like it. Paterno out, Bradley coaching Saturday. (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=2655465)
They said he had 3 busted ribs too. Got 'em earlier in the season during practice...
So... he's so old, he can't even feel his body anymore?
JoePa = Weekend At Bernies
so whos gonna be the designated referee grabber this week
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on November 09, 2006, 08:41:53 PM
JoePa = Weekend At Bernies
I like JoePa but damn, that made me laugh. :-D :-D :-D :-D
He's scared of being on the sideline for an embarassing 17 point win over Temple.
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 09, 2006, 08:48:15 PM
so whos gonna be the designated referee grabber this week
Probably McQueary.
Is this game being televised? I can't find it on my guide.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on November 11, 2006, 10:06:44 AM
Is this game being televised? I can't find it on my guide.
Negative. Thats two games in one year.
What a crock of shtein, I figured it would be a given especially since they're playing a local team.
Temple football wouldn't be broadcast on tv even if they were playing against Notre Dame in the Rose Bowl.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on November 11, 2006, 12:04:13 PM
What a crock of shtein, I figured it would be a given especially since they're playing a local team.
Correction, Lancaster is now showing the game on UPN (or whatever the hell it is called now), where as last night it wasn't listed. Check last night's paper.
Well that makes sense. If you're going to put Temple football on tv, Amish country is the place to do it.
WPVI channel 6 is showing the game in Philly, just showed up on my program guide. They obviously read this board.
Makes sense. I mean... even if it's a stinker game, what else would get better ratings on a Saturday afternoon in the Philly area?
3rd TU game over the year to air. Previously, 9-3 OT loss to Buffalo CN8 and 40something-20something loss to Northern Illinois on CSN.
21-0 with over 6 minutes left in the 1st quarter.
Look. We had an interception on the first play. That alone is a victory.
Next year at the Linc will be a different story. Beware of Adam DeMichelle!
Yeah, because the Linc will totally be all Temple fans next year!
PSU is not very good at all, and this is ugly. Ha.
Quote from: MDS on November 11, 2006, 04:09:34 PM
Beware of Adam DeMichelle!
Sounds like a really tough cat.
47-0
Good game, Temple.
Quote from: EagleFeva on November 11, 2006, 05:28:45 PM
Quote from: MDS on November 11, 2006, 04:09:34 PM
Beware of Adam DeMichelle!
Sounds like a really tough cat.
Apparently, he actually accepted an offer from PSU at one point, then reneged to play baseball, then realized he sucked at baseball, then got stuck playing for Temple.
Bummer.
So basically, Temple's got their very own Drew Henson. :-D
I thought we would score a point. Damnit. We are Penn State sucks balls.
-- SportsLine projects PSU to the Outback Bowl vs Tennessee
-- LeSean McCoy (remember him from last year?) was at yesterday's game and might be there again vs Michigan State
Quote from: BigEd76 on November 12, 2006, 08:52:47 PM
-- SportsLine projects PSU to the Outback Bowl vs Tennessee
-- LeSean McCoy (remember him from last year?) was at yesterday's game and might be there again vs Michigan State
Yeah, I was kind of hoping for the Outback. Decent bowl. I would rather play Georgia, though.
Wasn't it the Outback Bowl where PSU tore apart Tim Couch and Kentucky?
i feel like we've been to the outback a lot in the past several years. obviously i'm not going to look it up though.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on November 13, 2006, 08:36:29 AM
Wasn't it the Outback Bowl where PSU tore apart Tim Couch and Kentucky?
Yes. I was there. Kevin Thompson was the PSU QB.
Quote from: phattymatty on November 13, 2006, 11:15:51 AM
i feel like we've been to the outback a lot in the past several years. obviously i'm not going to look it up though.
Jan 1, 1996 - PSU 43, Auburn 14 - MVP Bobby Engram
Jan 1, 1999 - PSU 26, Kentucky 14 - MVP Courtney Brown
That's it.
It seems like that because they've played a lot of bowl games in Florida the last 20 years...
1987-88 - Florida Citrus
1990-91 - Blockbuster
1992-93 - Blockbuster
1993-94 - Florida Citrus
1995-96 - Outback
1997-98 - Florida Citrus
1998-99 - Outback
2002-03 - Capital One (Florida Citrus)
2005-06 - Orange
Quote from: BigEd76 on November 12, 2006, 08:52:47 PM
-- SportsLine projects PSU to the Outback Bowl vs Tennessee
-- LeSean McCoy (remember him from last year?) was at yesterday's game and might be there again vs Michigan State
I thought he went to Miami? Why was he there?
He gave a verbal there but his grades weren't good enough to get in (tells you how dumb he is), so he spent this past season at a prep school...
Quote from: BigEd76 on November 13, 2006, 04:26:45 PM
He gave a verbal there but his grades weren't good enough to get in (tells you how dumb he is), so he spent this past season at a prep school...
So I guess he is reconsidering his verbal? He would certainly be caught in a log jam down at the U.
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on November 13, 2006, 04:37:58 PM
Quote from: BigEd76 on November 13, 2006, 04:26:45 PM
He gave a verbal there but his grades weren't good enough to get in (tells you how dumb he is), so he spent this past season at a prep school...
So I guess he is reconsidering his verbal? He would certainly be caught in a log jam the crossfire down at the U.
ESPN radio reports JoePa told his team that he would be there to see them all graduate.
Sorry IGY.
If anyone's going to live forever, it'll be Joe Paterno.
PSU looks like shtein. 3 fumbles in the first quarter. 10-0 MSU
Quote from: SD_Eagle on November 18, 2006, 12:45:54 PM
PSU looks like shtein. 3 4 lost fumbles in the first quarter half. 10-0 13-7 MSU
They're lucky to only be down by 6.
msu +18 :-*
md +8 :poison
http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/sports/16069296.htm
Penn State accepts bid for Outback Bowl.
:yay
From that article...
QuoteThe Nittany Lions, who lost to Florida State in last season's Orange Bowl
Huh?
:-D
I thought this needed to be here as well...
Quote from: BigEd76 on December 03, 2006, 08:01:34 PM
Copied over from EMB, here's the full schedule with teams and official links:
Outback Bowl (Official Site (http://www.outbackbowl.com))
MON 1/1/07 -- 11:00AM ET -- ESPN -- Tampa
Tennessee (9-3) vs. Penn State (8-4)
So, does Tennesse still choke as well in big games as they did when Manning was there?
Penn State might be the worst 8-4 team in NCAA history. Tennessee will roll with ease.
Quote from: FFatPatt on December 04, 2006, 02:41:27 PM
Penn State might be the worst 8-4 team in NCAA history. Tennessee will roll with ease.
I'm predicting a Penn State upset. What's the early line?
Tennessee -72 - there, or thereabouts
Take the over.
Quote from: FFatPatt on December 04, 2006, 02:41:27 PM
Penn State might be the worst 8-4 team in NCAA history. Tennessee will roll with ease.
Have you watched Tennessee, they aren't really that good either. I also think you really underestimate PSU.
Penn State would have kicked some ass this year if Morelli could get his head out of his for 5 minutes at a time.
Quote from: Cerevant on December 04, 2006, 08:10:05 PM
Penn State would have kicked some ass this year if Morelli could get his head out of his for 5 minutes at a time.
Yeah, he has been a gigantic disappointment and to think he was considered to be ranked above Chad Henne coming out of HS.
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on December 04, 2006, 09:11:49 PM
Quote from: Cerevant on December 04, 2006, 08:10:05 PM
Penn State would have kicked some ass this year if Morelli could get his head out of his for 5 minutes at a time.
Yeah, he has been a gigantic disappointment and to think he was considered to be ranked above Chad Henne coming out of HS.
Actually, I'm not ready to kill him yet - he is just a "rookie". I expect him to be much better next year.
Poz named All-American. Probably got it on name recognition more than anything but thats fine by me.
Poz also won the Bednarik again
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on December 12, 2006, 06:25:54 PM
Poz also won the Bednarik again
Should have gone to Laurinitis.
Temple.
Penn State suspends starting DT Johnson for bowl game (http://www.sportsline.com/collegefootball/story/9880669)
thats actually a good thing
they are gonna get torched no matter what and now phillip taylor will get some real run
i think penn state is going to win. tennessee hasn't looked good a lot this year.
they have 4 losses to teams ranked #1, #3, #7, and #11 in the BCS rankings. not exactly horrible.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on December 04, 2006, 02:57:20 PM
Quote from: FFatPatt on December 04, 2006, 02:41:27 PM
Penn State might be the worst 8-4 team in NCAA history. Tennessee will roll with ease.
I'm predicting a Penn State upset. What's the early line?
Dominating performance by Penn State. 20-10. Hunt runs wild. Should be vaulted into the top 25 with the victory. Morelli played his best game of the season.
SEC speed, what? Morelli finally lived up to the hype today. Tony Hunt is a straight beast.
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 19, 2006, 02:47:37 PM
thats actually a good thing
they are gonna get torched no matter what and now phillip taylor will get some real run
Um... (http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/boxscore;_ylt=At3TQqkA4q_ZXfbUdcFGZQscvrYF?gid=200701010034) :D
Wisconsin is somehow beating Arkansas despite having -10 yards passing. That wasn't a typo either. They have MINUS TEN YARDS PASSING.
:-D
PS: farg the SEC. I hope every team from that overhyped conference gets their doors blown off, especially the queers in blue and orange.
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on January 01, 2007, 02:38:28 PM
Morelli finally lived up to the hype today.
Um... not really. He just didn't absolutely suck.
Morelli = best QB in nation by far
Quote from: King Cole on January 01, 2007, 06:27:54 PM
Morelli = best QB in nation by far
(http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/807/meter5bs9ou.gif)
Quote from: FFatPatt on January 01, 2007, 04:37:46 PM
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on January 01, 2007, 02:38:28 PM
Morelli finally lived up to the hype today.
Um... not really. He just didn't absolutely suck.
He played extremely well today, he made good decisions with the ball and put the ball where it needed to be. His final stat line was not great, but he actually looked like a QB out there today.
nice showing for psu
if conner stays and some of the young defensive lineman step up next year they could challenge for a big ten title
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 01, 2007, 07:56:00 PM
nice showing for psu
if conner stays and some of the young defensive lineman step up next year they could challenge for a big ten title
Derrick Williams apparently called a meeting with all the returning players and told them he absolutely expects a national championship next year and that anything less is unacceptable.
That led me to a severe I doubt your sincerity? moment.
Derrick Williams apparently called a meeting with all the returning players and told them he absolutely expects a national championship next year
well if he said it then it must be true
He's ridiculously under-utilized with that bum Morelli at QB.
this year theyve replaced the three or four reverses a game he used to get with three or four direct snaps
i dont get it...the guy can absolutely fly and yet in his two years there theyve gone deep to him maybe ten times...he gets the ball behind the line of scrimmage more than he gets it in front of
on the bright side him being held back keeps him in college where hell hopefully have a break out year where they challenge for a title
great article on Penn State vs Miami, 20 years later...
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/eticket/story?page=fiesta87
Quote from: SunMo on January 02, 2007, 02:33:51 PM
great article on Penn State vs Miami, 20 years later...
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/eticket/story?page=fiesta87
ESPN claims this, and not last night's game, is the best college football game ever.
no, they claim it's the biggest college game ever, not best
What's the difference?
how wide is the Mississippi river?
Who cares? We all know it's the best river, but not even close to the biggest.
No wonder so many people like Miami. ::)
That game was one of my favorite childhood memories. Easily the drunkest I've ever seen my father.
Rumor I just heard on WIP that is not valid but I just thought I'd throw it out there: Cowher takes a year off - JoePa retires - Cowher becomes the new PSU coach. Would absolutely love to see it happen but I highly doubt it has any validity. Ant and Steve were equally as pessimistic.
i heard the same thing. and just to clarify, it was just some guy from Pittsburgh who said he heard some of the radio guys out there talking conspiracy theory.
that would be devasting to Pitt if it happened.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on January 05, 2007, 01:14:41 PM
Rumor I just heard on WIP that is not valid but I just thought I'd throw it out there: Cowher takes a year off - JoePa retires - Cowher becomes the new PSU coach. Would absolutely love to see it happen but I highly doubt it has any validity. Ant and Steve were equally as pessimistic.
Not that I wouldn't love to see Cowher take over at PSU, as he's an excellent coach... but I would say Tom Bradley is the absolute odds-on favorite to be the next head coach at Penn State.
Quote from: SunMo on January 05, 2007, 01:16:54 PM
that would be devasting to Pitt if it happened.
that was my first thought too.
devastating and awesome.
oh yeah, awesome goes without saying.
schiano wants the penn state job and he wants it bad...it was one of the reasons he turned down miami
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 05, 2007, 03:10:45 PM
schiano wants the penn state job and he wants it bad...it was one of the reasons he turned down miami
True.
Cowher's rah-rah act would be perfect in college. I'll bet he'd be an amazing recruiter too.
would he have the desire tho...do nfl coaches especially successful ones wanna travel around the country half the year and go in the living rooms of 17 year olds kids to try and woo them...that would be beneath a lot of them and not soemthing they really wanna do after successfully coaching the best football players on the planet
i personally cant see bill cowher doing that
Well, after dealing with spoiled millionaires for the better part of 15 years, I can't imagine traveling the country recruiting kids would be such a bad gig, especially considering (1) he'd be at a top tier school whose reputation does a lot of recruiting-work on its own, and (2) he's a Super Bowl winning coach and most kids would likely be awe-struck by that.
I don't think getting kids there would be a problem at all for him.
I think he'd jump at the chance to coach at PSU especially if they banked the Brinks truck up at his doorstep (which you know they would for sure).
lol @ spoiled millionaires
Quote from: FFatPatt on January 05, 2007, 01:21:10 PM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on January 05, 2007, 01:14:41 PM
Rumor I just heard on WIP that is not valid but I just thought I'd throw it out there: Cowher takes a year off - JoePa retires - Cowher becomes the new PSU coach. Would absolutely love to see it happen but I highly doubt it has any validity. Ant and Steve were equally as pessimistic.
Not that I wouldn't love to see Cowher take over at PSU, as he's an excellent coach... but I would say Tom Bradley is the absolute odds-on favorite to be the next head coach at Penn State.
I agree, I think Bradley could be a good HC, but I would like to see them go outside the program.
bradley is what he is...he isnt head coach material
that said i agree that hes the next coach
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 05, 2007, 06:33:41 PM
bradley is what he is...he isnt head coach material
that said i agree that hes the next coach
*ding*
PSU wants Al Golden. But he doesn't want you.
Quote from: FFatPatt on January 05, 2007, 06:43:56 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 05, 2007, 06:33:41 PM
bradley is what he is...he isnt head coach material
that said i agree that hes the next coach
*ding*
I don't know how either of you could know that. I think the biggest positive he brings is that he has always been an outsanding recruiter.
actually lj sr hs surpassed him as a recruiter....anyway tho if hes that good make him the recruiting coordinator...NOT head coach...penn state cant afford to waste four or five years with bradley at the helm..they need to grab a big fish immediately after paterno leaves
penn st with bradley as hc automatically becomes just another middle of the pack big ten team...they become purdue
they have already been lapped by ohio st and michigan....iowa and wisc are clearly ahead of them...illinois has a monster recruiting class coming in and is gonna be a force in the coming years with locklsey there...penn st cant afford to blend in with the rest of the big ten teams...with bradley thats what would happen...psu is one of the all time best programs and deserves to be treated as such...which means going out and spending 4 mil a year on a proven big time coach...eff this loyalty crap
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 06, 2007, 07:47:50 AM
actually lj sr hs surpassed him as a recruiter....anyway tho if hes that good make him the recruiting coordinator...NOT head coach...penn state cant afford to waste four or five years with bradley at the helm..they need to grab a big fish immediately after paterno leaves
penn st with bradley as hc automatically becomes just another middle of the pack big ten team...they become purdue
they have already been lapped by ohio st and michigan....iowa and wisc are clearly ahead of them...illinois has a monster recruiting class coming in and is gonna be a force in the coming years with locklsey there...penn st cant afford to blend in with the rest of the big ten teams...with bradley thats what would happen...psu is one of the all time best programs and deserves to be treated as such...which means going out and spending 4 mil a year on a proven big time coach...eff this loyalty crap
I agree. It would be a shame to lose Bradley, but if they promoted LJ to defensive coordinator and head recruiter and brought in Schiano, I'd ejaculate thrice with glee.
Quote from: FFatPatt on January 06, 2007, 08:20:07 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 06, 2007, 07:47:50 AM
actually lj sr hs surpassed him as a recruiter....anyway tho if hes that good make him the recruiting coordinator...NOT head coach...penn state cant afford to waste four or five years with bradley at the helm..they need to grab a big fish immediately after paterno leaves
penn st with bradley as hc automatically becomes just another middle of the pack big ten team...they become purdue
they have already been lapped by ohio st and michigan....iowa and wisc are clearly ahead of them...illinois has a monster recruiting class coming in and is gonna be a force in the coming years with locklsey there...penn st cant afford to blend in with the rest of the big ten teams...with bradley thats what would happen...psu is one of the all time best programs and deserves to be treated as such...which means going out and spending 4 mil a year on a proven big time coach...eff this loyalty crap
I agree. It would be a shame to lose Bradley, but if they promoted LJ to defensive coordinator and head recruiter and brought in Schiano, I'd ejaculate thrice with glee.
Absolutely, but that is a pipe dream. I also agree that LJ is a better recruiter. I wouldn't have huge problem with Bradley being the next HC as long as they got a young innovative OC.
All that being said, I do tend to agree with both of you that Bradley probably is not a HC. All I am saying that we don't really know what he would do.
Connor returning for his senior season. (http://pennstate.scout.com/2/609178.html)
Great news for PSU fans. :yay
It's a smart move for him too. He'll easily be the stud of what might be a very excellent defense.
If he takes his game up a notch next year, he's a first rounder. He's more athletic than Pozluszny.
just keep the cell phone away from him
Quote from: FFatPatt on January 13, 2007, 08:34:00 AM
It's a smart move for him too. He'll easily be the stud of what might be a very excellent defense.
If he takes his game up a notch next year, he's a first rounder. He's more athletic than Pozluszny.
He also could end up breaking Pozlusny's career mark for tackles next season if he gets around a 100. He definately should have the opportunity because the LB corps is loaded again next year.
Apparently LeSean McCoy just committed to Pitt instead of Penn State. wtf
Quote from: BigEd76 on January 14, 2007, 02:54:27 PM
Apparently LeSean McCoy just committed to Pitt instead of Penn State. wtf
Isn't that the kid who could barely get a high school degree?
Doesn't that describe the majority of college football scholarship athletes?
Why you gots to be a hater?
From another board, Mccoy hasnt signed with pitt, he just like the crowd at a basketball game there. By the end of the week his decision will be made
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on January 16, 2007, 11:01:42 AM
From another board, Mccoy hasnt signed with pitt, he just like the crowd at a basketball game there. By the end of the week his decision will be made
Which board is that? Rivals has him as a Pitt recruit and they are usually right.
not only is he going to pitt but paterno pulled his scholly offer the other day
QuotePaterno visits Salesianum, Howard today
Howard DE Still among nation's top recruits yet to decide
By BUDDY HURLOCK, The News Journal
Posted Tuesday, January 16, 2007 at 2:37 pm
Legendary Penn State football coach Joe Paterno made recruiting visits this morning to both Salesianum School, and then Howard High.
Howard senior defensive end Devon Still has received scholarship offers from dozens of Division I-A programs, though Still reaffirmed today that his decision is down to Penn State or Ohio State.
Salesianum senior tight end Andrew Szczerba has already made a verbal commitment to play football at Penn State.
Still and Szczerba were selected as the state's co-linemen of the year for 2006 by the Delaware Interscholastic Football Coaches Association.
Paterno, 80, recently completed his 41st season as head coach at Penn State. The season ended with a 20-10 win against Tennessee in the 2007 Outback Bowl.
Penn State linebackers coach Ron Vanderlinden, who made today's visits with Paterno, said that Salesianum and Howard will be the only two schools that Paterno will visit during the recruiting period. The first day of the upcoming signing period is Feb. 7.
Paterno said this morning at Salesianum that making recruiting trips is still something that he does not mind.
"I've enjoyed it," Paterno said, "and I think maybe when I don't enjoy it, I'll get out of it, but I enjoy it."
It still surprises me that high school kids take to Paterno so well in general.
Ex-PSU player suspected of stabbing student 93 times (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/football/ncaa/01/16/psu.stabbing.ap/index.html)
i heard about that bud didnt know it was 93 times :o
devon still a real promising 4* lb from delaware moved his announcement date from today to wednesday
psu is a slight favorite to get him over ohio st...they need him to as this has not been a great year so far...especially with losing mccoy
Broderick Green (4-star RB from Arkansas that has a soft verbal to USC) is coming up for a visit with his mom, and supposedly Walker Ashley (former 3 or 4-star DT USC commit) is thinking about coming to PSU too...
4-star DE Devon Still just committed to PSU
Quote from: BigEd76 on January 24, 2007, 12:28:13 PM
4-star DE Devon Still just committed to PSU
:yay He was a beast this year. Good signing for PSU
The list is rounding out fairly nicely, considering they lost McCoy and had such a good class last year:
http://www.rivals.com/commitlist.asp?Year=2007&School=61
They're ranked #21 according to Rivals.
Derek Moye (http://rivals100.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?pr_key=43383), a 6'4" 3-star WR (4 on Scout.com), just committed to PSU
wow, they managed to grab him away from Pitt, BC, and Cincinnati
He probably would have gone to BC if O'Brien didn't leave.
(http://vmedia.rivals.com/IMAGES/Camper/PHOTO/DEREKMOYENIKE150.JPG)
1/4 black?
4/4 downhick
the next Mike Furrey?
BTW, PSU is now up to #18 in Rivals' rankings. Not awful.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 25, 2007, 01:45:18 PM
(http://vmedia.rivals.com/IMAGES/Camper/PHOTO/DEREKMOYENIKE150.JPG)
He's a soldier. ;)
nice article on broderick green.....
http://www.eveningsun.com/localsports/ci_5117925
Broderick Green will announce on Wednesday at 1:25pm. USC or Penn State...
IN. He looks like a Tony Hunt clone, but stronger. And maybe faster.
Latest rumor is that he's picking USC :boom
Yay Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_alcohol_content):
QuoteUnless a person has developed a high tolerance, a BAC rating of 0.20 represents very serious intoxication (most first-time drinkers would be passed out by about 0.15), and 0.35 represents potentially fatal alcohol poisoning. 0.40 is the accepted LD50, or lethal dose for 50% of adult humans. For a long-time, heavy drinker, those numbers can at least double. In extreme cases, individuals have survived BAC ratings as high as 0.914
Latest rumor is that he's picking USC
hes already picked usc....long ago...for him to go to penn state he would have to pull his usc verbal and switch schools
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 06, 2007, 08:09:12 AM
Latest rumor is that he's picking USC
hes already picked usc....long ago...for him to go to penn state he would have to pull his usc verbal and switch schools
Yep, just like Vidal Hazleton. It ain't gonna happen.
Now they're saying the rumor is false. Damn high school kids...
It wouldn't be a "rumor" if it didn't have a good chance of being false in the first place.
Watch him choose Ohio State. That would be awsum.
penn state isnt beating usc straight up for a national recruit....EVER
penn state has a hard enough time getting PA players
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 06, 2007, 02:12:43 PM
penn state isnt beating usc straight up for a national recruit....EVER
penn state has a hard enough time getting PA players
Tony Hunt? And don't tell me these particular situations aren't very similar.
Tony Hunt? And don't tell me these particular situations aren't very similar.
tony hunt was like a two star regional recruit who had usc way down his list and was never going there...not to mention he signed four years ago when usc was not close to the level they are now in terms of recruiting
other than that its the exact same scenario
John Amaechi likes manjunk (http://www.pennlive.com/columns/patriotnews/jones/index.ssf?/base/columnists/11708115074070.xml&coll=1)
He was a bust in Orlando.
Quote from: BigEd76 on February 07, 2007, 11:30:16 AM
John Amaechi likes manjunk (http://www.pennlive.com/columns/patriotnews/jones/index.ssf?/base/columnists/11708115074070.xml&coll=1)
Phattymatty already told us that:
http://www.concretefield.com/forum/index.php?topic=12745.840
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on February 07, 2007, 11:34:44 AM
He was a bust in Orlando.
GOOOOOOO MAGIC!
TimesLeader (http://www.timesleader.com/mld/timesleader/sports/16640687.htm)
QuoteWhile the race is too close to predict, at least one recruiting expert believes the Lions are the clear-cut favorites.
"Most coaches out here (Southern California) don't think Green's coming," said Allen Wallace, publisher of California-based SuperPrep magazine.
And we pray... :evil
other than Green, any other high impact question marks out there?
if he de-committs from usc that will be huge
not only do they desperately need a rb....i think they only have two scholly rb's for 08...but it would send a message to potential recruits that while psu may not be on the level of a usc they can go head to head with them and win a battle
other than Green, any other high impact question marks out there?
no everyone else seems rock solid
For PSU, not really. Just waiting for the commits to sign their LOIs today. About 2/3 of them are done...
30 minutes. Is it going to be on ESPNEWS?
i dont know if hes gettin run live or not...but if he is i think it would be on espnu
you can listen to rivals radio...i think they have it live and if they dont they will have as close to real time as you can get
#1 RB Mcknight picked USC, looking good for PSU
actually usc got the #1 and 2 rb's in the country...that hasnt been a secret for a few days now....half the people say it doesnt matter half say it will send green to happy valley
Only 2 PSU commits haven't signed their LOIs yet, by the way....
Quinn Barham
Stefen Wisniewski
broderick green due in his high school gym in one minute
Quote1:42
A gentleman went up to the podium and said we'll be delayed for about 7 minutes. He said Broderick has narrowed it down to two schools. The reason for the delay was that Broderick was still weighing his options up until 12 p.m. CT and had to go back home to get changed. This could be interesting.
Damn, Moye is listed at 6'5 178lbs. At least he has time to add some bulk.
Sounds like Green was swayed back to USC
Sounds like Green was swayed back to USC
there are zero indications he ever swayed away from usc...his parents really liked penn st which is probably why he appears torn....by all accounts tho hes always loved usc
again it will be a huge upset if he picks penn st
Broderick Green is AT the Nova Care Complex
He picked USC.
Supposedly he told the PSU coaches that he was coming on Monday, then confirmed it yesterday. Something happened this morning....probably Pete Carroll
USC.
i just heard about this guy, so it's not like i have sour grapes, but why would you commit to a school that just pulled the #1 and #2 guys at your position?
i just heard about this guy, so it's not like i have sour grapes, but why would you commit to a school that just pulled the #1 and #2 guys at your position?
because hes lendale white and one of the other two will be reggie bush...most likely mcknight
and
LA>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>state college
and
USC>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>penn state
he just all around fell in love with usc
Quote from: SunMo on February 07, 2007, 02:02:53 PM
i just heard about this guy, so it's not like i have sour grapes, but why would you commit to a school that just pulled the #1 and #2 guys at your position?
Not to mention that USC got C.J. Gable last year who was the #1 or #2 back in the country depending on which publication you read. I just don't get it.
Supposedly he told the PSU coaches that he was coming on Monday, then confirmed it yesterday. Something happened this morning....probably Pete Carroll
thats either larry johnson or penn state message board people saying that...either way its sour grapes
the guy simply wanted to go to usc over psu...and frankly you cant blame him...i dont see the big deal here
Not to mention that USC got C.J. Gable last year who was the #1 or #2 back in the country depending on which publication you read. I just don't get it.
green will probably be redshirted meaning people from gables class will be juniors by the time he plays
and again green is a big power back like lendale white...these other guys arent...you dont think these kids see what happened with bush and white at usc
plus why shouldnt he think hes the best of all of them...these kids all do...why couldnt gable or mcknight or anyone else be austin scott and green be tony hunt
usc is a pro football factory that plus pete carrol plus national champsionships plus the pacific ocean plus model like women.....
do i need to go on?
I read that Tyler (the #2 RB) broke his leg and might be converted to LB. They'll find a way to get him in there, but he could have been a starter for PSU instead of getting just a couple of carries a game out west...
but he could have been a starter for PSU instead of getting just a couple of carries a game out west
is there a link somewhere that says hes only gonna get a couple carries a game at usc?
he went to a place he loves and could easily be a starter for a national champion who put people in the pros like they are the nfl's feeder system
he actually has as much chance to start at usc next year as penn state....which is about none
in two years as of now yes he would have a better chance of playing time at penn state...but he also has a better chance of playing behind a zesty oline and/or a zesty qb and/or on a zesty team and/or in ten below weather for a much worse coach ect...
believe me for every reason the penn state homers can come up for him to go there and there is 1 (potentially a better chance to start) the usc homers can come up with 20 reasons to go to usc
reason 1 = football
reasons 2 through 19 (http://i11.tinypic.com/4h8qvwj.jpg)
you really dont wanna get into the football argument with anyone vs usc much less penn st
usc has better everything when it comes to football
if green plays to his capabilites he will play at usc and if he plays he has a much better chance to make the pros
if he starts at penn state and thats not even guaranteed...ask austin scott...he still might not make the pros as the football players around him will not be nearly as good
if he sucks it doesnt matter where he goes...but if hes good he made the absolute correct decision
this argument can be made about about every big time recruit that goes to a big time football school ever single year.....50 times over....why does anyone ever go to usc is the question???...you know how silly of an argument it is for a big time player (if he really likes the place) to not go to usc because they are too good???
im a penn st fan just like you easy but you have to be realistic...dont use the typical sour grapes arguments like he went for girls or usc paid him....he went because its a superior football school in every possible area....its why i said in todays college football landscape i dont see penn state ever going head to head with usc for a big time player and winning....its just not gonna happen....especially with players outside of penn states comfort zone (big ten country - md - nj ect....)
anyway....penn state still had a pretty good...top 25 class most likely and it follows a real good year last year...they have nothing to be ashamed of
I'm not too concerned about it, mostly because Austin Scott was a top recruit and Tony Hunt was the afterthought.
As IGY said, PSU still had a solid class, considering how good last year's class was.
Oh, and they got Brent Carter and Evan Royster last year - neither were recruited as standard Big Ten "power" backs, but they still might have some potential.
royster was fabulous in high school and by all accounts has looked great in practice so far....whos to say either one or both of those wont be better than green...
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 07, 2007, 04:06:50 PM
royster was fabulous in high school and by all accounts has looked great in practice so far....whos to say either one or both of those wont be better than green...
Royster probably would have been a much higher rated recruit had it not been for the fact he was injured much of his senior season.
rodney kinlaw what?!?
Quote from: SunMo on February 07, 2007, 11:08:59 PM
rodney kinlaw what?!?
He's never looked like anything but steaming garbage.
http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/sports/colleges/16647769.htm
Daily News breakdown of the PSU class. Meh.
Temple had a better recruiting class.
Than Villanova? Yes.
Just wait until they come to the Linc. We'll cover the spread!!
No.
Come down to the game with me. I'll get you a ticket in the student section. We can hang out at my (upcoming) house in North Philly and then play some board games before bed time. It'll be fun.
And yes, I'll even do that thing you like done to your "scrotis."
No.
I'll take that a yes. We can leave right after the game to pick up King Cole.
I would happily strap a bomb to my chest and detonate while riding with you two, knowing full well that I had done the world a service.
Just kidding, I'm far too valuable to die for you idiots.
That's not saying much.
Terrorism jokes. Classy.
From BWI:
QuoteThis is one of the most confusing set of circumstances I have ever seen with a player Penn State was recruiting, especially in the final five days before signing day.
BWI was told Green verbally committed to Penn State for the first time on Friday, Feb.1 and that commitment was re-confirmed to Penn State on Sunday [Feb. 4], Monday [Feb. 5] and Tuesday [Feb. 6]. It seems all that changed Tuesday night and Wednesday morning, when Green had meetings with Pulaski Academy's head football coach, Kevin Kelley, that the Green family didn't know about and during those two meetings Coach Kelley supposedly called Pete Carroll and had Green talk with him for extended periods of time.
This is legal under NCAA rules. A prospect can call a coach during the "dead period", but the contact over the phone can't be placed by the coach. Now you know why Green's mother, Wilma Murdock, was so upset at the press conference.
I hope Green's mother confirms this and gives us the interview. If my understanding of this situation is accurate the role Coach Kelley played in this story is unbelieveable.
Rutgers had a great recruiting class. Of course, that doesn't belong here, other than the fact that the recruits outshine those for Penn State, I think.
What a fleshpop.
penn state fans might be bigger whiny bitches than even skins fans....unreal...just let it go before you scare other recruits away with your incessant blubbering iover losing a guy to usc...it happens every year to 15 different schools
they probably weren't saying anything when Anthony Morelli signed with PSU
exactly
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 13, 2007, 12:40:24 PM
penn state fans might be bigger whiny bitches than even skins fans....unreal...just let it go before you scare other recruits away with your incessant blubbering iover losing a guy to usc...it happens every year to 15 different schools
You actually convinced with your previous argument (with the 10,000 reasons you listed USC is better) but I will damn well whine if I want about the fall from prestige Penn State has suffered.
the difference in talent that penn state gets now and what they got before is neglible at best...the main difference is they used to have a hall of fame coach and now they have weeeknd at bernies
I've said that he'll probably still be coaching 2-3 years after he's dead.
I'm not whining about it. Devlin and Brent Carter decommitted other schools to make last year's recruiting class great.
This year's is fine, even without Green.
zack mills is the new qb of the af2 team in my area.
Quote from: hunt on February 13, 2007, 01:42:11 PM
zack mills is the new qb of the af2 team in my area.
Last I read, he was going to try his hand playing poker professionally.
If he sucks more at poker than at football... he really, really sucks at poker.
Quote from: FFatPatt on February 13, 2007, 12:56:52 PM
I'm not whining about it. Devlin and Brent Carter decommitted other schools to make last year's recruiting class great.
This year's is fine, even without Green.
Agreed, I think everyone that is a fan of any college team gets pissed when they lose a recruit at the last minute. This is a similar situation that happened to PSU a few years ago when they thought they had Henne, it just so happened that they got Morelli instead.
Henne is, however, significantly better than Morelli.
der, ya think?
yous are missing the point..penn state didnt lose a committ...the guy verballed to usc a year ago and never changed...i could see being pissed if this was a morelli situation where a guy backed out of a verbal and switched last second but that didnt happen...there was some evidence of late interest in psu and osu but no one has any idea how strong it was....its been usc the whole way
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 14, 2007, 08:59:30 AM
yous are missing the point..penn state didnt lose a committ...the guy verballed to usc a year ago and never changed...i could see being pissed if this was a morelli situation where a guy backed out of a verbal and switched last second but that didnt happen...there was some evidence of late interest in psu and osu but no one has any idea how strong it was....its been usc the whole way
No, you're missing the point. You're saying that PSU/UPS fans are more whiny than average when it comes to "losing" recruits, but all schools' fans that pay attention basically react the same way.
Hell, you've even noted that Maryland fans whine about recruits that didn't even glance their way in the first place.
You're saying that PSU/UPS fans are more whiny than average when it comes to "losing" recruits, but all schools' fans that pay attention basically react the same way
are they the worst i cant say...are they the worst ive seen absolutely...whining is one thing...having an article on the front page of bwi dropping unfounded accusations of recruiting violations by usc is over the top
md fans are delsuional like most dc area fans...see taterskins fans...penn state fans are poor losing whiners who completely lie and make up stuff about other schools for no reason whatsoever
You're pushing the limits of generalization / stereotyping / hyperbole to the point of being completely laughable.
i guess you didnt read gthe article easy posted...how do you hyperbolize something like that...and the fansbase eats stuff like that up and actually believes it all...easy i wouldnt even consider one of the crazy penn state fans and he even posted it...so imagine what penn state nation is like...and this is coming from a penn state fan....gotta call em like you see em tho
QuoteThis is legal under NCAA rules. A prospect can call a coach during the "dead period", but the contact over the phone can't be placed by the coach.
IGY, the article specifically says that what Carrol did was not a violation of the rules. What BWI's gripe was (whiney I agree) was that the highschool coach was guilty of an infraction.
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 14, 2007, 09:29:19 AM
i guess you didnt read gthe article easy posted...how do you hyperbolize something like that...and the fansbase eats stuff like that up and actually believes it all...easy i wouldnt even consider one of the crazy penn state fans and he even posted it...so imagine what penn state nation is like...and this is coming from a penn state fan....gotta call em like you see em tho
So, you're using the fact of Ed, not even a PSU alum, posting that article and expanding it to the entire Penn State fanbase. That obviously makes sense.
penn state just missed a three pointer to win at the buzzer vs osu after being down by 25 at one point
PSU rox and OSU sux
Carrol might leave and go to the Chargers, leaving Green and the other amazing recruiting class not getting what they signed for.
Quote from: FFatPatt on February 14, 2007, 08:55:31 AM
Henne is, however, significantly better than Morelli.
True, but no one knew that at the time. Morelli was actually rated higher by some circles.
nobody will ever know, becuase Joe Pa sat Morellia on his ass while Henne was getting playing time with future NFL WR's.
Obviously, playing Robinson ended up being the correct choice... but they wasted Morelli's red shirt, which was NOT the correct choice. He'd probably be a decent college QB by the 2008 season, but he won't be eligible.
i was just checking out this year's schedule, and we play temple, florida international, and u of buffalo this year.
Quote from: phattymatty on March 27, 2007, 04:32:52 PM
i was just checking out this year's schedule, and we play temple, florida international, and u of buffalo this year.
I'm hoping for at least 1 win there.
can't wait until their names come out...
http://thewizardofodds.blogspot.com/2007/04/penn-state-players-involved-in-fracas.html (http://thewizardofodds.blogspot.com/2007/04/penn-state-players-involved-in-fracas.html)
http://www.collegian.psu.edu/archive/2007/04/04-03-07tdc/04-03-07dnews-06.asp (http://www.collegian.psu.edu/archive/2007/04/04-03-07tdc/04-03-07dnews-06.asp)
why wouldn't you want football players at your party?
the logan el rumors are true....according to his facebook he is done playing for penn st
what he posted....
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by Antonio Logan-El (notes) 2:41pm Today
Yes, it is true I am done playing football at Penn State. There is a chance that i go somewhere else to ball because I am a football player and I love the game things just didnt go the way me and my family wanted. There were alot of things going on with the coaches and things like that. There is a chance that I just stay here and go to school because were I want to go and play football i would have to sit out a year and things like that so i have to see if that is what i want to do. Anyway I am keeping my head up and not letting no one break me so leave a comment if you like or just hit me up with a message. And for the people who made it hard and stuff i forgive you and i will make it
Is there a reason that no one knows how to use proper english and grammar any more? It's like people intentionally make themselves sound as uneducated as possible.
IGNORANCE IS NOT SOMETHING TO BE PROUD OF.
to be fair he does go to penn state
Why's he DONE?
He could be talking about you.
Why's he DONE?
hes fat sloppy and unmotivated and the coaches told him to get out
wow, i dont follow what goes on up there in the offseason but didnt you say he was the TRUTH IGY?
coming out of high school he was
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 05, 2007, 04:04:36 PM
to be fair he does go to penn state
While this is a valid point, I went there too, and I know how to spell and conjugate verbs.
There are different levels of grammatical prowess in central Pennsylvania.
Penn State sucks.
my inside sources tell me logan el to towson
My WVU booster buddy told me he was going to try his hand at baseball and learn from the best - John Maine.
i wonder if he was involved in that thing a few weeks ago where a bunch of football players knocked some heads in at a party. maybe thats why he's gone.
no he was gone as far back as last semester...just not officially....hes supposedly lazy and unmotivated and has been in joes doghouse since the time he arrived on campus...
as far as ive heard the main players in the fight were king and scirotto
That's good, because neither of them are important to the defensive secondary.
it's blue-white weekend at psu and supposedly they're trying to get everyone to wear orange and maroon for VT. not sure if this is a school organized thing or just students trying to do it, but i got a few emails about it this week.
I'd wear my Cho Seung-Hui throwback jersey if I was going.
Quote from: SunMo on April 20, 2007, 03:51:15 PM
I'd wear my Cho Seung-Hui throwback jersey if I was going.
#32
Quote from: phattymatty on April 20, 2007, 03:48:24 PM
it's blue-white weekend at psu and supposedly they're trying to get everyone to wear orange and maroon for VT. not sure if this is a school organized thing or just students trying to do it, but i got a few emails about it this week.
I heard that too. I would totally get a Kevin Jones johnson butta joint johnson.
you can jersey's cheap on ebay...they may have holes in them, but still
list of VT players drafted since 1982 (http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/schools/VATECH)
OHMYGODJIMPYNE
dope pic from the blue white game today
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Well done, PSU. They can do something else besides suck at football and have stupid frat parties.
charges filed in the fights that happened earlier this month...
http://www.thelineupcard.com/penn_state_football/
there's some trouble brewing here
Anthony Scirrotto - Burglary (felony), Criminal Trespass (felony), Criminal Solicitation, Simple Assault, Harrasment
Chris Baker - Burglary (felony), Criminal Trespass (felony), Criminal Mischief, Simple Assault, Disorderly Conduct, Harrasment
Justin King
Jerome Hayes
Lydell Sargeant
Tyrell Sales
Criminal Trespass (felony), Disorderly Conduct, Harrasment
This DA has a hard-on to prosecute Football players i've read. I hope he fargs up like Nifong.
it will all get dropped and/or pleaded out...there will be no felonys by the time its all over
the question is how hard does joe pa come down on them
hopefully he doesnt go nuts since the kids who got beat up started the whole thing
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 27, 2007, 01:04:42 PM
the question is how hard does joe pa come down on them
yeah, that's all i was thinking off when i said there was trouble with all this.
even though the other kids started it, you gotta be smarter than that. you can't call up the whole football team and NOT expect something like this to happen.
What happened to the days of taking your ass whippin like a man? If you deserved it, don't go running to the po after you got whipped. From what I understand the dude who got it said he wanted to farg the one dudes girl. Take your beatin'. No guns, no weapons, just a good ol' fight.
Thugs. Especially Scirrotto.
heres the downhick that started the whole thing
drinkin beers and grindin gears.....yeah bro!!
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=8179922
(http://a809.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/00100/80/80/100100808_l.jpg)
One of the guys in my platoon played highschool ball with Scirrotto and had nothing but good things to say about the dude. It really makes me wonder what is really going on up in old Happy Valley.
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(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v191/jcjr81/bills2007.jpg)
Poz's real number will be #51
Temple > Penn State
Ralph Wilson...is he dead?
Him and Al Davis should fight each other.
Charges against Justin King dropped
By Pete Bosak
pbosak@centredaily.com
The Commonwealth this morning withdrew all criminal charges filed against Nittany Lions cornerback Justin King as preparations for a hearing on charges against King and five other football players was getting underway.
King, who was a 2006 second-team All-Big Ten pick, saw charges of criminal trespass, disorderly conduct and harassment withdrawn. No explanation was immediately given for the prosecution's decision to drop the charges.
For updates, check back at www.CentreDaily.com.
Quote from: SunMo on May 04, 2007, 12:00:46 PM
Charges against Justin King dropped
werd
I'm proud to say I'll be a Penn State student come September. Always wanted to go to the main campus but Abington will have to do.
Ogontz!
:yay
Get the charges dropped against Scirrotto too, Joe. You know you can do it.
Yep, you won't regret going to OZ. Do a couple of years there and avoid the monster class sizes and the TA's who don't speak English. Then transfer up for your heavy hitting courses and a couple years of cheap beer and football.
What's your major? If you want the inside dirt on any profs, let me know.
- Ogontz/Abington Alum, Former Employee & Instructor
QuotePenn State lineman's football career over after neck injury
Associated Press
Posted Friday, May 11, 2007 at 11:44 am
STATE COLLEGE, Pa. — Penn State offensive lineman Elijah Robinson's football career is over after he sustained a neck injury in spring practice.
Robinson walked off the field and was not hospitalized after the injury, but team doctor Wayne Sebastianelli discovered after examinations that Robinson was born with a tight spinal canal, team officials said.
Any impact to Robinson's head could pinch the spinal column and result in paralysis, the team said Thursday in a statement.
Robinson, of Camden, N.J., had been in the running for a starting spot on the line. He had two years of eligibility left.
"This is a big loss for the team," coach Joe Paterno said. "I'm disappointed for him in regards to his football career, but you can't take any chances with his future."
It's looking like another ~5th place finish in the Big Tenleven.
Rumor floating that PSU or FSU will end up with AJ Alexander (http://scout.scout.com/a.z%2073&p=8&c=1&nid=2412695) and move him to RB as an OMGREGGIEBUSH type
Quote from: BigEd76 on May 24, 2007, 02:47:44 PM
Rumor floating that PSU or FSU will end up with AJ Alexander (http://scout.scout.com/a.z%2073&p=8&c=1&nid=2412695) and move him to RB as an OMGREGGIEBUSH type
830 SAT
Isn't it out of 2400 now?
How in the farg do you get an 830 on your SATs? Jesus farging christ.
Quote from: rjs246 on May 24, 2007, 02:52:49 PM
How in the farg do you get an 830 on your SATs? Jesus farging christ.
Dude, I went to PSU Altoona for two years, and if he is actually from there it wouldn't surprise me one bit. That has got to be the worst place on Earth.
Quote from: rjs246 on May 24, 2007, 02:52:49 PM
How in the farg do you get an 830 on your SATs? Jesus farging christ.
Most people are ridiculously stupid. Many of them make more money than you.
Penn State sucks.
As expected, he picked Florida State
the good ol' days
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ulj5NSiaD8&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Frunupthescore%2Ewordpress%2Ecom%2F
Paterno said yesterday he doesn't think the PSU/Pitt rivalry will continue
those pitt uniforms were incredible...especailly the helmets...man them and oregon probably had the two worst uniform changes
pitt sucks. temple could beat them. temple will also beat penis state this november.
Quote from: MDS on June 20, 2007, 12:32:13 PM
temple will also beat penis state this november.
This comment is toats hilarious on so many levels!
Sort of like Penn State thinking their a major program?
Haha I'm a farging riot.
Quote from: MDS on June 20, 2007, 02:36:42 PM
Sort of like Penn State thinking their they're a major program?
He chose Temple.
Oh my god a small grammatical mistake! Everyone freak out!!
A small grammatical mistake amidst a sea of idiotic posting. Well done.
Nice metta4. :yay
Quote from: rjs246 on June 20, 2007, 03:36:32 PM
A small grammatical mistake amidst a sea of idiotic posting. Well done.
You make me cry.
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Joe's old and ugly. What else you got?
Quote from: FastFreddie on June 26, 2007, 05:18:49 PM
Joe's old and ugly. What else you got?
Phil Steele says they have a shot at the National Championship because of their cake schedule?
Update on Alexander from a few pages back: he decommitted from Florida State and could end up at Penn State (which means he probably won't)
alexander in his own words "65%" to his clear leader penn state
http://pennstate.scout.com/a.z 157&p=2&c=661767
Supposedly the #1 prospect in the country (Terrelle Pryor, a Vince Young clone from PA) has Penn State and Ohio State as his leading choices among 12-15 schools....
The #2 prospect in the country (Darrell Scott, a RB from CA) and the #7 one (Will Hill, an ATH from NJ) also have Penn State on their lists...
so i have on my work calendar that psu tix go on sale this afternoon. anyone know if this is true?
it is only for florida intl and buffalo
i found out that this is true, but the only tickets available are for buffalo and fiu. boo.
The #2 prospect in the country (Darrell Scott, a RB from CA) and the #7 one (Will Hill, an ATH from NJ) also have Penn State on their lists...
pretty sure scott isnt considering penn st anymore if he ever was...and they also are nowhere on hills radar...my cousin lives up in central jersey and has heard that hill all but done to florida
pryor they have a legit chance at but im sure hell get scared away by paterno is a dinosaur you want no part of that offense negative recruiting junk
Penn State just got a 4-star RB from Ohio (#50 overall and #5 RB on Rivals' Top 100), Brandon Beachum
I'm playing NCAA 2008 with PSU as my dynasty team, Dan Connor is a 99 overall on there. And Derrick Williams might be the sickest player eva. He's got 98 speed agility around 97, and makes one handed catches all day.
Quote from: BigEd76 on July 29, 2007, 04:39:22 PM
Penn State just got a 4-star RB from Ohio (#50 overall and #5 RB on Rivals' Top 100), Brandon Beachum
Nice pick up for them, I watched a highlight video of him on pennlive.com he looks fast for a big guy.
hes not...runs a 4.7...the hope is that he turns into another tony hunt tho
hopefully they get mike shaw as their speed back
supposedly shaw verballed too...nothing official yet
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 30, 2007, 11:22:18 AM
hes not...runs a 4.7...the hope is that he turns into another tony hunt tho
hopefully they get mike shaw as their speed back
Well he looks fast on the field, that being said most good backs do in high school.
Per BWI:
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In 2008, the Nittany Lions open the season with two home games — Aug. 30 against Coastal Carolina and Sept. 6 with Arkansas State. The next week, Sept. 13, Penn State travels to Syracuse and, as of now, Sept. 20 is open date. That date is rumored to be a pending home date with TCU.
In 2009, Penn State opens the schedule with four consecutive home games — Eastern Michigan (Sept. 5), Syracuse (Sept. 12), Temple (Sept. 19) and Iowa (Sept. 26). The only date not spoke for, as of yet, is Oct. 10, which is still listed as TBA.
Coastal Carolina and Arkansas State? What are farging joke. As a Penn State fan, that embarrasses me.
sweet i should be doing the beat for temple football next year. free trip to psu.
Quote from: MDS on July 31, 2007, 08:40:58 PM
sweet i should be doing the beat for temple football next year. free trip to psu.
Temple is in 2009 dude.
i want to go to the psu-temple game but i just got an email from the eagles saying the only way to get those tix is to buy the 3-pack with buffalo and some other scrub team. i'm guessing it will be easy to scalp tickets though, anyone else agree? i'm not paying $140 for a ticket to that game.
Bawahaha!
QuoteJuly 31, 2007
Temple 3-Game Pack Offer
We are pleased to announce an exclusive Temple 3-Game Pack ticket offer to the Eagles Family. While supplies last, you are able to purchase Club Seats for three Temple Owls football games.
For $135, you will receive a Club Seat ticket package good for games against the Buffalo Bulls (9/8/07), the Northern Illinois Huskies (10/6/07) and the Penn State Nittany Lions (11/10/07).This is the only way to purchase tickets for the Penn State game at Lincoln Financial Field through the Eagles Ticket Office.
This ticket offer is a first-come, first-served opportunity while supplies last. Please note that there is a $6.75 service charge per ticket and a $3.00 processing charge per order. Tickets will be sent mid to late August via the U.S. Postal Service.
If you need assistance with your order, please contact the Eagles Ticket Office at 215-463-5500 or by e-mail to tickets@lincolnfinancialfield.com.
Thank you for your continued support of the Philadelphia Eagles.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on August 01, 2007, 09:39:58 AM
Bawahaha!
QuoteJuly 31, 2007
Other than the $5 tickets that will be in the parking lot the day of the game this is the only way to purchase tickets for the Penn State game at Lincoln Financial Field.
I don't understand why the Eagles are pimping this bullshtein. $135 for club seats to see Penn State isn't necessarily bad, but you're right, IGY, tickets will be easier to get than a case of the clap from the whores at Cheerleaders.
i also dont understand why the eagles charge 6.75 service fee for each ticket...we all know ticketmaster is a bunch of crminals but this deal is thru the eagles ticket off
6.75 per tick plus an additional 3.00 charge for the entire order is laughable
like i said you will be able to buy a ticket in the lot for less than the service charge on one of these tickets
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 01, 2007, 09:59:36 AM
i also dont understand why the eagles charge 6.75 service fee for each ticket...we all know ticketmaster is a bunch of crminals but this deal is thru the eagles ticket off
actually it is through ticketmaster, when i clicked the link for tix, it took me there.
also, 11/10 - psu/temple at the linc, then the next day the birds are at FedEx.
FYI - you can buy single tickets to the game on ticketmaster right now. anywhere from $40-$70.
enter the promo code "touchdown"
I'm going for free ahaha rush the field if temple covers the spread
Update on Michael Shaw: he committed too, so that's another 4-star RB from Ohio
:o
http://www.floridatoday.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070815/BREAKINGNEWS/70815010&template=palmbay
JoePa was 23 years old in like... 1952?
Holy shizzy.
My dream scenario is Joe Pa dropping dead on the sideline as Temple storms the field after upsetting the incredibly overrated loser hick Penn State team that will never be close to Michigan or Ohio State because theyre a second rate team.
my dream scenario is that your house burns down because your second rate religion lights 27 candles over a 5 week celebration while playing with a top, and when you get to heaven Jesus puts his sandal on your head and blocks your entry to the afterlife
1# Christianity: 2.1 billion
2# Islam: 1.5 billion
3# Secular/Nonreligious/Agnostic/Atheist: 1.1 billion
4# Hinduism: 900 million
5# Chinese traditional religion: 394 million
6# Buddhism: 376 million
7# primal-indigenous: 300 million
8# African Traditional & Diasporic: 100 million
9# Sikhism: 23 million
10# Juche: 19 million
11# Spiritism: 15 million
12# Judaism: 14 million
13# Baha'i: 7 million
14# Jainism: 4.2 million
15# Shinto: 4 million
16# Cao Dai: 4 million
17# Zoroastrianism: 2.6 million
18# Tenrikyo: 2 million
19# Neo-Paganism: 1 million
20# Unitarian-Universalism: 800 thousand
21# Rastafarianism: 600 thousand
22# Scientology: 500 thousand
12th rate thankyouverymuch.
Quote from: SunMo on August 17, 2007, 10:14:04 PM
my dream scenario is that your house burns down because your second rate religion lights 27 candles over a 5 week celebration while playing with a top, and when you get to heaven Jesus puts his sandal on your head and blocks your entry to the afterlife
Post of the year nominee. I'm feeling giving.
FightonState.com is reporting that Quarless' locker has been cleared out and he is off the team.
The University has declined comment.
That would suck. Yet another position that would lose a ton of talent.
no way is he off the team...its joepa sending a message after the brawl...but hes not kicking arguably the best offensive player on the team for good yet letting scirrotto and them come back
But Quarless is black and Scirrotto is white...
I hope you're right, this guy is the truth.
The thought is that JoePa issued a zero-tolerance policy after the fight. So no matter how small the infraction you are gone if you farg up.
If he is kicked off the team, Joe Pa needs to be assassinated.
quarless is back with the team
All is right with the world.
Andrew Szczerba is a beast by the way.
What position does he play?
Tight End, he's a freshmen from Sallies in Delaware. Bio from Rivals (http://rivals100.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?pr_key=52109&Sport=1) Quarless is more of the athletic type, this kid is more of a giant who's decently athletic
I guarantee Quarless is a LOT more of the athletic type, but ok... good.
Phil Steele was on the ESPN radio college preview show earlier this morning. He specifically picked out Florida State and Penn State as two under the radar National Championship contenders. I'm definitely not that confident, but that dude does know his shtein.
steele is a penn state whore
Steele loves him some geriatric coaches.
I'm looking forward to watching the 2nd half of Florida Int'l/PSU on my couch, thanks to the Big Ten network.
After this drubbing, it's time to beat up on Notre Dame on a down year. Charlie Weis is fat again and he must pay.
comcast and BTN are involved in a pretty solid pissing contest, so i won't be seeing the game
Quote from: SunMo on August 29, 2007, 05:25:00 PM
basically every cable provider and BTN are involved in a pretty solid pissing contest, so i won't be seeing the game
Yep. I'm happy to have the dish right about now.
theres nothing happy about watching anyone vs FIU
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 29, 2007, 05:42:24 PM
theres nothing happy about watching anyone vs FIU
FIU isn't Coastal Carolina. So they got that going for them, which is nice.
Also Dave Jones is going to be on Comcast doing the PSU preview on DNL in a couple of minutes. I'm interested to see if they even mention the problems with the Big Ten Network.
If anybody got to see the game yesterday, they had to come away impressed with Navarro Bowman. He looks like he might be the next great LB up there. He did not start, but it shouldn't be long before he bumps Sales.
did you see the game?
how did Morelli look? i saw his numbers looked pretty good. but did he look good?
He was throwing the ball really well, but I did see him take two really bad sacks. He could have easily thrown the ball away on both. Other than that he looked really solid. The offense was not overly impressive, the defense looked amazing. I know it is FIU, but they were knocking the snot out of people. Hopefully that trend continues next week against ND.
the sacks are bothersome...his lack of pocket presence was one of his biggest problems last year.
i can't wait until they smoke Notre Dame next week.
You'll have to wait until Saturday, though. AIDS.
Please Please beat the shtein out of ND I hate those bastiches
Quote from: FastFreddie on September 02, 2007, 04:40:12 PM
You'll have to wait until Saturday, though. AIDS.
i know, i have a golf tournament in the morning and then i'm watching the game with a bunch of friends. it's actually a pretty nice little saturday.
Claussen to start Saturday (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3003938)
(http://animal.discovery.com/convergence/safari/shark/photo/gallery/shark_9.jpg)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-spvbpYCkU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4nQ9_Z9D1w
farg Penn State.
Notre Dame looked as bad as I have ever seen them last week. PSU should destroy them.
Quote from: MDS on September 04, 2007, 06:01:09 PM
farg Penn State.
Look, we get the point - you don't like Penn State. Why don't you go create a "Temple Rules" thread and go talk to yourself.
Quote from: Cerevant on September 05, 2007, 09:56:59 AM
Quote from: MDS on September 04, 2007, 06:01:09 PM
farg Penn State.
Look, we get the point - you don't like Penn State. Why don't you go create a "Temple Rules" thread and go talk to yourself.
You're from Canada.
Quote from: MDS on September 05, 2007, 01:05:18 PM
Quote from: Cerevant on September 05, 2007, 09:56:59 AM
Look, we get the point - you don't like Penn State. Why don't you go create a "Temple Rules" thread and go talk to yourself.
You're from Canada.
Pay attention, fargwad. I'm
from Pennsylvania. I have 2 degrees from Penn State. I
live in Canada.
but youre weighing becoming a canadian citizen...by the transitive property theorum that makes you a canook
I can't think of a worse combination of residences than State College, PA and Canada. You suck, dude.
Yeah, because North Philly is just all that...
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on September 02, 2007, 01:40:33 PM
If anybody got to see the game yesterday, they had to come away impressed with Navarro Bowman. He looks like he might be the next great LB up there. He did not start, but it shouldn't be long before he bumps Sales.
meant to address this the other day
how much did the kid actually play...i saw him in high school as he was just down the road from me and loved him
http://www.collegian.psu.edu/archive/2007/09/06/nhl_wants_trademark_white_out.aspx
Jesus farging christ. I didn't realize that individual sports could have a trademark on how their fans cheer. farging iceholes.
Reason #3343242 why Penn State sucks.
So you're a hockey fan now, I see.
List of things that suck:
1. Religion
2. The Republican Party
3. The NHL
4. Penn State Football fans
5. Penn State Football
You forgot about popped collars.
i was in WAWA the other day and this douche walks in with sunglasses and a popped collar and everybody just looked at him, admiring his doucheness, he prepaid for gas (which was funny) walks out to fill up his car and trips over the gas hose...good times
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 06, 2007, 10:08:24 AM
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on September 02, 2007, 01:40:33 PM
If anybody got to see the game yesterday, they had to come away impressed with Navarro Bowman. He looks like he might be the next great LB up there. He did not start, but it shouldn't be long before he bumps Sales.
meant to address this the other day
how much did the kid actually play...i saw him in high school as he was just down the road from me and loved him
I don't know exactly, but dude was always around the ball. He stripped the punt returner one play, he also blocked a punt. He also hits like a freight train. In general though PSU was hitting ridiculously hard, grant it was FIU.
oh i thought you meant he was getting a lot of run at linebacker
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 07, 2007, 06:56:28 AM
oh i thought you meant he was getting a lot of run at linebacker
He got a decent amount of time at lb, and like I said he hits like a train.
Nice Favre special there Morelli
Quote from: SD_Eagle on September 08, 2007, 06:17:26 PM
Nice Favre special there Morelli
it was beautifully lofted though. Pretty ball, but it was airborn for 10 seconds
His target had a CB on top and a safety rolling over to his side. Awful pass.
morelli is pathetic...theres a decent chance clausen out plays him this game...both will be ugly but clausen is probably better...minus the fact that penn state has better wr's
Great start so far. I'm just waiting for McNabb to blow out his ACL to seal the deal.
If they lose this game...oh man.
Quote from: MDS on September 08, 2007, 06:24:21 PM
If they lose this game...oh man.
how did Temple handle Buffalo today MDS ^-^
Does Jerome Hayes have 'Whiteout' shaved into his head?
Quote from: SD_Eagle on September 08, 2007, 06:34:32 PM
Does Jerome Hayes have 'Whiteout' shaved into his head?
yeah he did :-D
D WILL :yay :yay :yay :yay :yay :yay
Derrick Williams = sick
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on September 08, 2007, 06:35:12 PM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on September 08, 2007, 06:34:32 PM
Does Jerome Hayes have 'Whiteout' shaved into his head?
yeah he did :-D
Ha! That goes well with the gash he got on the left side of his head.
loved him getting it off his shoe, juking 3 guys, then directing blocks as he zig zags down the field. Its early but that shtein could be a gamebreaker
The announcers were giving Tony Hunt props :yay
Yay for Penn State. They beat a mediocre team with a 18 year old at QB. Awesome.
Anyway, I want PSU to win all their games until that matchup with Temple, who will then ruin their season in a historic upset.
PSU pretty much dominated this game and held ND to zero (0) rush yards. ND just could not stop the Penn St running game in the 2nd half. See how that works, Reid?
penn st went from beating a brain dead team to a big league dead team....there isnt a chance penn state beats wisc or osu...and they might lose before then
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 08, 2007, 10:52:09 PM
penn st went from beating a brain dead team to a big league dead team....there isnt a chance penn state beats wisc or osu...and they might lose before then
You know that from two games? I don't know if you have watched OSU at all this year but they are not that impressive.
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on September 09, 2007, 12:27:44 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 08, 2007, 10:52:09 PM
penn st went from beating a brain dead team to a big league dead team....there isnt a chance penn state beats wisc or osu...and they might lose before then
You know that from two games? I don't know if you have watched OSU at all this year but they are not that impressive.
Igy reminds me of my ex-brother-in-law. If he came to my house when I was watching the Phillies/Eagles/Penn St/Whatever, the first thing he usually said was "You know they're not going to do anything this year." He thought he was knowledgeable about all the sports, which is a feat because he probably hasn't watched a complete game in his life.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on September 09, 2007, 12:30:39 PM
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on September 09, 2007, 12:27:44 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 08, 2007, 10:52:09 PM
penn st went from beating a brain dead team to a big league dead team....there isnt a chance penn state beats wisc or osu...and they might lose before then
You know that from two games? I don't know if you have watched OSU at all this year but they are not that impressive.
Igy reminds me of my ex-brother-in-law. If he came to my house when I was watching the Phillies/Eagles/Penn St/Whatever, the first thing he usually said was "You know they're not going to do anything this year." He thought he was knowledgeable about all the sports, which is a feat because he probably hasn't watched a complete game in his life.
Sadly he was always right
He may end up being right too, but the fact of the matter is it is very early in the season. It is tough to believe that anybody could know so much from two games. I know this much there defense is awesome.
I know that Morelli is Rex Grossman, huge arm, no brain
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on September 09, 2007, 12:37:03 PM
I know that Morelli is Rex Grossman, huge arm, no brain
No doubt. With a real QB, last night was over in the 2nd quarter.
Penn State -34.5 vs Buffalo
(Connecticut -30.5 vs Temple)
I did a top 5 stories from college football this weekend for the metro, and #1 of course was for penn state, and i wrote something about this horrid institution without any sarcasm, negativity or cynicism. what prize do i win?
I don't know if you have watched OSU at all this year but they are not that impressive.
cause they are super young...but also ultra-talented...they will be infinitely better in five weeks than they are now...even average quarterbacking should win them the big ten
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on September 09, 2007, 12:37:03 PM
I know that Morelli is Rex Grossman, huge arm, no brain
Morelli can only dream of being half the QB that Grossman is.
Morelli sucks. I feel bad for the group of decent WR's that will be lucky to get any play in the NFL draft because their QB sucks.
Put in Devlin.
Morelli consistently has plays through out a game that make you go "what the hell was he thinking?" If he could just make good sound decisions, I think this team actually would have a shot at a national title. Unfortunately he has done nothing to show that he can.
IGY as far as OSU, what you say is true, but I don't see them winning the big ten this season. They are always ultra-talented so that is nothing new, they just haven't impressed me with their play. It is not like they have played a team with any talent. You can say what you want to about Notre Dame but they definitely have some talent on that roster. They will be in the hunt for the big ten title, I just don't see them winning it. The sad part is even with Michigan totally shteining the bed they actually could still win it
.
IGY as far as OSU, what you say is true, but I don't see them winning the big ten this season. They are always ultra-talented so that is nothing new, they just haven't impressed me with their play.
thats cause they are young as hell and working a ton of new starters into the lineup...and they dont have the qb play they are looking for yet...if they get that...and admittedly its a big if they will easily win the big ten...if they dont they still have as good a shot as anyone else as the big ten doesnt have any good qb's cept henne
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on September 10, 2007, 09:24:39 PM
Morelli consistently has plays through out a game that make you go "what the hell was he thinking?" If he could just make good sound decisions, I think this team actually would have a shot at a national title. Unfortunately he has done nothing to show that he can.
I wish it were only his decisions and pocket presence. Also, his accuracy is highly suspect, and his mechanics suck most of the time.
Basically, the thing he does have is a STRONG arm. That's it, though. He's even ugly.
I found this amusing.
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No. 12 Penn State (2-0) vs Buffalo (1-1)
University Park, PA
12:00 PM ET Big Ten Network
After allowing just 10 points total in its first two games, Penn State looks to keep the defensive good times rolling, hosting Buffalo. The Bulls had a good effort of their own on defense last Saturday, holding Temple to minus-36 yards rushing.
Games only on the BTN again. farging comcast.
not sure i blame comcast on this one...BTN is charging a fortune to carry the network, and you only get to see the shtein games, all the good Penn State games are on network TV
Quote from: SD_Eagle on September 13, 2007, 09:27:33 AM
Games only on the BTN again. farging comcast.
When i called Direct TV to upgrade my receiver, the guy asked me to turn to channel 220, It was the OSU-Ackron game, he went into a quick schpiel about Comcast. Its nice that DTV just put it on regular programming. I dont even have to pay for the sportspack.
Quote from: SunMo on September 13, 2007, 09:29:22 AM
not sure i blame comcast on this one...BTN is charging a fortune to carry the network, and you only get to see the shtein games, all the good Penn State games are on network TV
100% true, i just dont like Comcast saying they are doing it to save the consumer. They dont give a shtein about consumers unless they arent shifting over to Fios
Quote from: SunMo on September 13, 2007, 09:29:22 AM
not sure i blame comcast on this one...BTN is charging a fortune to carry the network, and you only get to see the shtein games, all the good Penn State games are on network TV
They didn't want to pay for the NFLN either - farg them. I'm going with Verizon as soon as my contract is up.
youre better off not having the big ten network trust me...its about as bad as tv sports gets...if they offered it to me free and there was a way to turn it down i would....its worse than the nfl network if thats possible
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 13, 2007, 09:42:01 AM
youre better off not having the big ten network trust me...its about as bad as tv sports gets...if they offered it to me free and there was a way to turn it down i would....its worse than the nfl network if thats possible
how do you have it?
i dont have it...but ive looked at its programming schedule and it is painful
If your a PSU nut, or OSU nut its nice to watch every game on their schedule, thats the idea.
i'll go to a bar
i am a psu nut and id rather not have the station than be able to see psu buffalo...ill just go to a bar to watch the game
half the programming is like wisconsin purdue womens volleyball
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 13, 2007, 09:48:54 AM
i am a psu nut and id rather not have the station than be able to see psu buffalo...ill just go to a bar to watch the game
half the programming is like wisconsin purdue womens volleyball
you go to the bar to get zesty, come home shave your head, and then go back to teh ar after you piss off the wifey.
do i know you?
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 13, 2007, 09:48:54 AM
i am a psu nut and id rather not have the station than be able to see psu buffalo...ill just go to a bar to watch the game
half the programming is like wisconsin purdue womens volleyball
You've obviously never watched women's volleyball. Granted, they aren't in bikinis, but they're in some tight shorts. C'mon - they all bend over waiting for the serve!
directv has it cause its owned by newscorp and bigten network is 49% owned by....newscorp
it essentially comes down to a silly pissing match between the big ten and comcast. outside of a few times a year, big ten network is a vast wasteland of crap. but there are a few games people want to see every now and then, though not big games, those still go to espn/2/abc. so why would comcast pay all this money to put some shteinhole channel they dont own on basic cable so people can watch it for 3 hours a week a few times a year? no sense to do it.
big ten network was a horrible idea. at the least, they should syndicate the games out to local channels (ch 17 and 29 are owned by fox, csn has a relationship with fox sports net) so philly people can watch the penn state games. but that would essentially be a victory for comcast, and the big ten network cant let that happen.
blame the idiots who thought having big ten network would be a good idea. it can work if ALL they games go to big ten network, like michigan-osu and such. but they would lose so much money if that happened, so it never will. no one wants to watch northwestern vs. perdue mens lacrosse. no one. its a horrid idea and will end up being a huge waste of money.
Quote from: MDS on September 13, 2007, 06:14:10 PM
directv has it cause its owned by newscorp and bigten network is 49% owned by....newscorp
it essentially comes down to a silly pissing match between the big ten and comcast. outside of a few times a year, big ten network is a vast wasteland of crap. but there are a few games people want to see every now and then, though not big games, those still go to espn/2/abc. so why would comcast pay all this money to put some shteinhole channel they dont own on basic cable so people can watch it for 3 hours a week a few times a year? no sense to do it.
big ten network was a horrible idea. at the least, they should syndicate the games out to local channels (ch 17 and 29 are owned by fox, csn has a relationship with fox sports net) so philly people can watch the penn state games. but that would essentially be a victory for comcast, and the big ten network cant let that happen.
blame the idiots who thought having big ten network would be a good idea. it can work if ALL they games go to big ten network, like michigan-osu and such. but they would lose so much money if that happened, so it never will. no one wants to watch northwestern vs. perdue mens lacrosse. no one. its a horrid idea and will end up being a huge waste of money.
For people outside Philly its a good channel MDS, but in philly it makes no sense
please dont tell me youre saying the big ten network is a good channel anywhere in this galaxy
im certainly no comcast fan but they are 100% right in this case...the big ten should be RPG'ed for trying to charge for that disgrace of a channel
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 14, 2007, 09:10:25 AM
please dont tell me youre saying the big ten network is a good channel anywhere in this galaxy
im certainly no comcast fan but they are 100% right in this case...the big ten should be RPG'ed for trying to charge for that disgrace of a channel
hell no, i'm just saying its nice to watch games that i otherwise wouldn not have been able to watch. I dont have comcast, i have Direct Tv solely because comcast sucks where i live. They dont offer HD/On Demand/ or CSN Philly. Direct TV gives me the channel and didnt increase my bill, just as MDS said, its FOX owned.
oh my bad i thought the BTN was the channel you were referring to when you said outside of philly its a good channel
since its just there for seabiscut, its a good channel. same with anything that just appears on your cable lineup without your rates increasing. this is why most cable operators outside of comcast dont carry versus or oln or whatever it is. its comcast owned and they charge a ridiculous amount for a zesty product that shows bike racing and hockey.
the only reason btn is a discussion is cause of the michigan-app state game. thats all their gonna have, shtein matchups like that. maybe in a few weeks theyll have that big indiana-northwestern barnburner everyones been achin to see.
PSU's not looking so good so far.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on September 15, 2007, 12:34:19 PM
PSU's not looking so good so far.
Trap game against Buffalo? Sounds about right for Penn State.
Quote from: NGM on September 15, 2007, 12:36:04 PM
Quote from: Geowhizzer on September 15, 2007, 12:34:19 PM
PSU's not looking so good so far.
Trap game against Buffalo? Sounds about right for Penn State.
I should probably qualify: PSU's offense is not looking good so far. They are putting a drive together, but are 3rd and 8 as we speak.
End of 1st, Buffalo 3, PSU 0.
morelli is a fargin POS...and the offensive line isnt far behind
Penn State's defense looks like a championship-caliber one (yes, I know it's against Buffalo).
But the offense - and especially Morelli - stinks.
hows the big ten network lookin
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 15, 2007, 12:53:57 PM
hows the big ten network lookin
Looks like a typical regional college football telecast. The same kind we get for the Gators and Seminoles on the Sunshine Network. If it wasn't Penn State, I woudln't bother. And I definitely wouldn't pay for it.
That said, it's really nice to be able to watch Penn State nearly every week.
BTW, PSU just tied it 3-3. Got to about the 10, but couldn't convert.
Since the Eagles don't seem to be using Hunt, do you think they could let Paterno borrow him today?
LeSean McCoy is looking like the next Barry Sanders against MSU. Good thing he isn't playing for Penn State.
yeah i just saw shady rip off that td run...he does look really good
im listening to the penn state game on intenet radio..god im a loser
joe needs to put in royster...i dont care if hes a freshman hes the best rb on the roster
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 15, 2007, 01:07:15 PM
yeah i just saw shady rip off that td run...he does look really good
im listening to the penn state game on intenet radio..god im a loser
joe needs to put in royster...i dont care if hes a freshman hes the best rb on the roster
Truth. He was supposedly going to be a 5-star (FWIW) until he missed his junior year with a really farged up ankle. JoePa is too loyal to seniors.
TD pass to Corliss. 10-3 Penn State.
Buffalo turns the ball over at it's 18. 2:05 left in the half.
It looked like a planned pitch to Scirratto. He just stepped out at the 18 (outside foot on the line), or else he had 7.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on September 15, 2007, 01:23:37 PM
Buffalo turns the ball over at it's 18. 2:05 left in the half.
It looked like a planned pitch to Scirratto. He just stepped out at the 18 (outside foot on the line), or else he had 7.
Scirratto on offense?
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 15, 2007, 01:07:15 PM
im listening to the penn state game on intenet radio..god im a loser
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 13, 2007, 09:42:01 AM
youre better off not having the big ten network trust me...its about as bad as tv sports gets...if they offered it to me free and there was a way to turn it down i would....its worse than the nfl network if thats possible
:-D
Quote from: NGM on September 15, 2007, 01:25:49 PM
Quote from: Geowhizzer on September 15, 2007, 01:23:37 PM
Buffalo turns the ball over at it's 18. 2:05 left in the half.
It looked like a planned pitch to Scirratto. He just stepped out at the 18 (outside foot on the line), or else he had 7.
Scirratto on offense?
No, the fumble by the Buffalo player almost looked like a planned pitch. Threw it right to Scirratto.
Norwood with the reception for a TD. Being reviewed - probably will be overturned. Hell of an effort, though. Was tipped, and he tried to catch it flat on his back on the line.
Quote from: NGM on September 15, 2007, 01:25:49 PM
Quote from: Geowhizzer on September 15, 2007, 01:23:37 PM
Buffalo turns the ball over at it's 18. 2:05 left in the half.
It looked like a planned pitch to Scirratto. He just stepped out at the 18 (outside foot on the line), or else he had 7.
Scirratto on offense?
nah, the guy just got hit and flipped the ball to scirratto for some reason. TD Norwood, crazy catch, might not have been a TD but they reviewed it and said it was
Play stands as called (video was not indisputable, but it looked like the ball touched the ground). 17-3 PSU.
even if i had the big ten network id still be listening to it...just like i refuse to watch even one second of the nfl network
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 15, 2007, 01:28:54 PM
even if i had the big ten network id still be listening to it...just like i refuse to watch even one second of the nfl network
your a waterhead
nfl network is horrendous channel. but id watch the games they have if i had it on my cable, but would never pay an extra shekel for it.
1. IGY, is the internet radio free, something that I can listen to without subscription?
2. Its a shame that all this talent on offense is being wasted on Morrelli and a crappy offensive line.
Buffalo making a 2-minute drive.
PSU just got a sack. 3rd and 14 at the PSU 33 (or so). :07 left.
Buffalo QB avoided the sack and threw the ball away. Still :02 left, trying a field goal.
Well short. 17-3 PSU at the half.
Quote from: NGM on September 15, 2007, 01:33:04 PM
1. IGY, is the internet radio free, something that I can listen to without subscription?
http://www.1290theticket.com/main.html
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 15, 2007, 01:37:16 PM
Quote from: NGM on September 15, 2007, 01:33:04 PM
1. IGY, is the internet radio free, something that I can listen to without subscription?
http://www.1290theticket.com/main.html
I owe you a coke, or some coke, or a hooker of the darker persuasion; you pick. Thank you kindly sir. :yay
they just put up a stat. Penn state has only allowed 3 touchdowns in the past 35 quarters :o
Impressive stat for any defense against any team.
Another TD pass to Quarless. 31-3, Penn State firmly in control.
Morelli to Quarless TD. 4th TD pass for Morelli today.
Scirrotto pick, down to the Buffalo 25.
They did some crowd shots.
I've got to say, college girls sure look a lot younger than they used to... :-\
Why would Paterno attempt a 47 yard field goal with a 28 point lead?
Put it and pin Buffalo deep. Let that defense take care of business.
As it is, Buffalo has the ball near the 40.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on September 15, 2007, 02:29:17 PM
Why would Paterno attempt a 47 yard field goal with a 28 point lead?
Put it and pin Buffalo deep. Let that defense take care of business.
As it is, Buffalo has the ball near the 40.
And from there Buffalo scored the first TD against the Penn State defense this season.
The frosh QB is starting for Michigan tomorrow.
nm
run, run, pass, punt to start the game...SHOCKING
typical Michigan vs Penn State
tony davis got the shtein held out of him on that play
but Morelli farging sucks
i hate this farging team
I'm actually surprised that the fumble was reversed. I didn't think it was conclusive enough.
i hate Morelli, just put in Devlin he couldnt make worse decisions than Morelli does as a senior.
play calling is as bad as it gets.....embarrassing
but the bottom line is penn state just isnt as good as michigan and ohio state...its the difference btwn top 5 recruting classes and top 25...youre gonna have aberration years like 05 when penn st beat osu...but those are gonna be few and far btwn
penn state needs to shoot for wisconsins level...and even that wont be done until they get rid of their weekend at bernies coach
a 1AA team and a mid-tier Pac-10 team put up points at will on this Michigan defense and Penn state can barely get a first down...it's farging pathetic
Quote from: SunMo on September 22, 2007, 04:23:04 PM
a 1AA team and a mid-tier Pac-10 team put up points at will on this Michigan defense and Penn state can barely get a first down...it's farging pathetic
if penn state was smart enough to instill a few spread plays, the offense would open up.
farging Morelli, that should have been a TD
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on September 22, 2007, 04:32:29 PM
if penn state was smartenough to instill a few spread plays, the offense would open up.
el oh el
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Quote from: SunMo on September 22, 2007, 04:35:12 PM
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on September 22, 2007, 04:32:29 PM
if penn state was smartenough to instill a few spread plays, the offense would open up.
el oh el
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QuoteIf Penn State saw any tapes of the Michigan losses, they would use the spread wr's on every play
they cant open up the offense cause they have an incompetent qb and they know it
michigans offensive line starting to take the game over
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 22, 2007, 04:45:51 PM
michigans offensive line starting to take the game over
with what? ACL injuries? :-D
the meltdown on the penn state board has already commenced...shtein is priceless
if Henne was playing this game would probably be 24-3 at halftime
Morelli sucks. Freakin wop.
I said all along Morelli would cost PSU this game.
7 points for Michigan directly on his shoulders... and 4 not on Penn State's directly on his shoulders.
He blows, and I wish he'd die.
jesus christ Bonnie Berenstein has guns
ha...i was just coming to post that...they're all veiny and shtein
it can't be said enough times how putrid this offense is
they continue to give that stupid farg the ball even though he continues to give it up
he almost fumbled on that other run he had....i saw that coming a mile away
Quote from: SunMo on September 22, 2007, 05:47:03 PM
they continue to give that stupid farg the ball even though he continues to give it up
he almost fumbled on that other run he had....i saw that coming a mile away
how can Scott suck at holding onto the ball that much, Put in Royster
Paul Mcguire is saying the same shtein over and over again as usual about arm tackles and Hart.
Bullshtein call for Pass Interference on Sargeant, it went both ways there
yeah, that was a terrible call
GAME. OVER.
Quote from: SunMo on September 22, 2007, 06:18:34 PM
GAME. OVER.
looked like Hart was down at the 1 yard line, but got a generous call. farg Morelli, he does everything he can to suck, the guy has a rocket of an arm but not precision. I cant stand watching that stupid dego just give games away
he is the worst farging quarterback they've had in 10 years....jesus farging christ
farging TERRIBLE
jerome hayes killed them last posession for mich
when they had that 3rd AND 11 he lost containment in a huge way that allowed mallett to scramble out to the left and make the play...he looked like a friggin intellivision football player running off the screen and then coming in from the other side...if he doesnt do this then mallett is kept in the pocket and sacked
Quote from: SunMo on September 22, 2007, 06:48:07 PM
he is the worst farging quarterback they've had in 10 years....jesus farging christ
farging TERRIBLE
that is incredibly accurate....he sucks that bad. To think that Pitt and PSU got into fights over recruiting him :puke
penn state = b level big ten 10 team
I knew this was coming, and it still sucks. Congrats, Feva, and all you other fargheads that root for Michigan.
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 22, 2007, 06:50:21 PM
jerome hayes killed them last posession for mich
when they had that 3rd AND 11 he lost containment in a huge way that allowed mallett to scramble out to the left and make the play...he looked like a friggin intellivision football player running off the screen and then coming in from the other side...if he doesnt do this then mallett is kept in the pocket and sacked
Bowman needs to be in there, he has speed, Hayes looks like a DE
and Joe will stay loyal and start him the rest of the season and blah blah blah
WHATEVER
Morelli sucks.
Now we need an Eagles loss and Bums meltdown to complete the trifecta
Quote from: MDS on September 22, 2007, 06:51:09 PM
penn state = b level big ten 10 team
in a good year
Quote from: SD_Eagle on September 22, 2007, 06:52:17 PM
Morelli sucks.
Now we need an Eagles loss and Bums meltdown to complete the trifecta
IGY will gladly take that bet
rooting for penn state is like rooting for the orioles or blue jays. no matter what they do, they simply cannot compete with the big boys. its a waste of time, they will never win.
penn state should join the mac or go back to being independent. they havent been able to consistently compete with osu and michigan, so whats the point in being in that conference? illinois and indiana suck in football but are in there for basketball. penn state is as useless as northwestern. haha.
you root for temple...so you know useless when you see it, that's for sure
no shtein. temple is a farging joke. but i really dont waste my time with their football team. id rather sit here and bask in the misery of penn state fans.
Quote from: MDS on September 22, 2007, 06:54:50 PM
rooting for penn state is like rooting for the orioles or blue jays. no matter what they do, they simply cannot compete with the big boys. its a waste of time, they will never win.
penn state should join the mac or go back to being independent. they havent been able to consistently compete with osu and michigan, so whats the point in being in that conference? illinois and indiana suck in football but are in there for basketball. penn state is as useless as northwestern. haha.
actually not true...if they arent robbed at michigan two years ago they easily could have played for the national championship...they can win but its gonna be a once every 20 years thing when the stars align...or it could be a semi regularly occurance if they hire the right coach to succeed paterno and not someone bradley
someone remind me why im discussing college football with the likes of mds?
because he likes to poke sticks at hornets nests
Quote from: MDS on September 22, 2007, 06:57:53 PM
id rather sit here and bask in the misery of penn state fans.
again more lies...if you truly wanted that youd be on one of the major penn state boards...the misery shown here <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< the psu boards
mr. havas im much too lazy to go that fetusfest. sitting here and watching you gentiles complain on this holy day of yom kippur, this is enough for me.
trust me its worth it
Austin Scott and Anthony Morelli don't ever need to take snaps as starters again for PSU. Those two lost this game for PSU. Morelli finally learned to throw the ball away when it was too late. If PSU had a competent Qb this game wouldn't have even been close.
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on September 22, 2007, 08:54:10 PM
Austin Scott and Anthony Morelli don't ever need to take snaps as starters again for PSU. Those two lost this game for PSU. Morelli finally learned to throw the ball away when it was too late. If PSU had a competent Qb this game wouldn't have even been close.
I've been saying this all along.
Quote from: FastFreddie on September 22, 2007, 06:51:09 PM
I knew this was coming, and it still sucks. Congrats, Feva, and all you other fargheads that root for Michigan.
'preciate ya... ;D
Anthony Morelli is the worst QB in the history of college football.
Quote from: FastFreddie on September 29, 2007, 03:18:05 PM
Anthony Morelli is the worst QB in the history of college football.
The Illinois QB goes 0-for-5 in the second half and is benched.
Morelli is allowed to turn the ball over on four consecutive plays.
Quote from: FastFreddie on September 29, 2007, 03:18:05 PM
Anthony Morelli is the worst QB in the history of college football.
^^
At this rate, PSU might only have one win the rest of the season...
(sorry MDS)
After watching both Temple and PSU, I can honestly say Temple has a great shot to cover the spread. Temple's losses come from them shooting themselves in the foot with mindless penalties and fumbling the ball without getting touched, and also they have horrendous special teams. Temple's gonna have a lot of momentum and hopefully 1 win under their belt, so they can keep it close. But they have no shot to win, App St. at least knew how to win, Temple has no farging clue.
did you almost go to the game?
Morelli is responsible for both PSU losses yet he still has a job. If he doesn't throw either of his first two interceptions they win the game.
I did actually go. I have the horrifying view of Al Golden's haircut to prove it.
there is nothing to like about watching this penn state game today...it's not in hi-def and to top it off, Iowa is starting a white left handed quarterback, yuck
Morelli rulez!!
why is your game not in HD? it is here.
i have no idea...but it's not
I got it in HD also. Luckily, I left to run errands a la Dio before Morelli started playing like Morelli again.
It's big wins like this that will earn my beloved Nitts a berth in the Alamo Bowl.
Austin Scott was kicked off the team according to reports...
Good. More playing time for Royster.
What did Austin do to get booted?
Comcast said there was a TV report in State College of a sexual assault, but didn't say the Scott was the player involved. of course, the inference is that Scott was the one involved.
sexual assault. Rumor is that he's left the campus and returned to Allentown...
blah...Sun wins again. Time for a killing spree.
He's obviously an idiot, even measured by football player standards. He'll go down as one of the bigger recruiting busts in PSU history. Morelli should be glad it's taking attention off of him.
All this said, a Homecoming win this weekend against Wisconsin would be nice, but it really won't change that the team will end up bowl-eligible but with no shot at the Big Ten title or a BCS berth regardless.
At this point I am glad he is not on the team. 6 fumbles this season.
so I guess comcast added the btn
really?
does penn state have any more games that will be on there this season?
Not sure, I just saw a comcast commercial and they were boasting how the Big Ten was charging all cable companies extra to carry them but they would be free with comcast.
yea no all that means is big ten games are free on comcast. big ten games on abc, espn and espn2. its spin from comcast telling their customers not to worry about not getting big ten network, you still get big ten games on stations everyone else gets.
No shtein? I can't wait to switch to verizon. I just checked to see if I had the btn but can't find it.
oh...that old commercial, nothing new
yeah, that's not new. Comcast says BTN gets all the games ESPN and ABC didn't want to pay for, so BTN is all the crappy games like Minnesota/Northwestern...
Now they're saying Scott was kicked out for breaking curfew (http://www.philly.com/dailynews/sports/20071009_Sources__Austin_Scott_broke_curfew.html). yeah OK
There's also rumors of a fight and more arrests on Saturday night involving 2-3 players.
you got me on that one BigEd...
but i got you on this one...
Posted on BWI message boards and dismissed as stupid rumors... (http://bwi.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?fid=36&tid=102428453&mid=102428453&sid=890&style=2)
I guess not (http://www.centredaily.com/news/local/crime_courts/story/228505.html)
I don't know what the hot contorionist chick has to do with that discussion, but HIT HIT HIT.
(http://users.adelphia.net/~mtnittany/images/jacqueline.jpg)
classic stuff from JoePa press conference (http://gopsusports.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/100907aac.html)
Most notably, it looks like Joe's going to mess up Stephfon Green's red shirt.
More info on Austin Scott (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3060571)
What a farging dumbass.
Another "rape" committed by a retarded farging jock?
Shocking.
yeah because he def did it since theres a wire story on espn.com
Scroll to the top of the page, igy. There were rumors of it 4-5 days ago.
yeah i know...what are you saying...its more chance he did it because it came out four days ago?
There's a pretty good chance he did it since he basically dropped out of school and moved home as soon as word dropped about something happening. He hasn't even bothered to say anything about being innocent in spite of the fact that this has been known on one level or another for a week.
Plus he's a college athlete. Not as much motivation for a gold-digger to Kobe his ass.
from what i've heard, it's not rape. plus, have you heard of a rape suspect being allowed to move away from where it allegedly happened.
the girl that's involved has a history of accusing people of this sort of thing, so that's why it's taken awhile for the whole thing to get sorted out.
Ha! That rules. What the farg is wrong with people. Well I guess I take back my snap judgment, but either way, Scott and his 73 fumbles can sit and spin.
for the record he left for two days then came back to class....not sure if he moved back home permanently after todays charges or not
Ok, maybe they updated the story, but it clearly says that he was charged with rape, released on bail, and that he wouldn't comment "as he walked out of the courtroom".
These are matters of public record. Are you arguing about whether or not he is guilty? If so, I don't see the relevance of where he goes after he gets out on bail (unless he leaves the state).
I remember when the Duke case started, the DA was so certain of his conviction, and the players were convicted in the mass media (particularly ESPN) at the onset.
I don't mean to compare the particulars of this case with Duke, and I have a hard time believing that the DA in State College will be as... blatantly crooked?... as Nifong was, but the system is geared to be a process, not a snap judgment.
Unfortunately, innocent until proven guilty has been degraded in an age of instant news and even faster speculation. Scott probably isn't a saint, and he may indeed be guilty of rape, but we really need to let the system work that out.
Of course, what fun would a message board, especially CF, be without the snap judgments?!?!?!? :D
Quote from: Cerevant on October 13, 2007, 07:50:06 AM
Ok, maybe they updated the story, but it clearly says that he was charged with rape, released on bail, and that he wouldn't comment "as he walked out of the courtroom".
These are matters of public record. Are you arguing about whether or not he is guilty? If so, I don't see the relevance of where he goes after he gets out on bail (unless he leaves the state).
he left state college to go home to allentown last weekend after word of the incident started to spread and paterno suspended him....then he came back for classes this week...then the charges yesterday...not sure what hes currently doing or where hes doing it
PSU over Wis today
i'll wait to hear from Phatty before i make any rash decisions
Time for Penn State to show what being a middle of the pack Big Ten team is all about.
Austin Who?
Questions for the PSU gurus out there...
1) Does Derrick Williams have NFL talent? Will he get a shot in spite of the terrible QB'ing he's had to play with?
2) PSU always seems to have an effective rushing attack, yet PSU running backs haven't been successful in the NFL (LJ not withstanding) - does this make PSU o-line U?
3) Did anyone else catch the comment about Joe Peterno's traffic run-in? "Then the husband came over and said 'Do you realize that is my wife you are talking to that way?' and Joe said, 'That's your problem'"
1. Williams has speed and talent, but I doubt he's anything special at the pro level. He reminds me of Greg Lewis. I'd say he's a late round pick at best. He might get drafted higher because of his punt return ability.
2. I'd say its more because its college football and that Penn State likes to go with a featured back more than it is their line doing anything special. They have had some talented O-lineman through the years but their successful RBs have always been the larger type that can move (Thomas, Ennis, Carter, LJ).
3. From what they were saying that isn't uncharacteristic of JoePa's usual on campus behavior.
williams absolutely doesnt ahvet he speed...i saw him play in high school many times and he was john blaze back then...since hes gained way too much weight and lost all the burst he ever had...hes not even close to a pro player...cfl...and even that is iffy
Just to clarify - I think #3 is funny as hell, and I admit my complete ignorance for how college talent translates to the NFL.
we interrupt nonsense talk about a team destined to play in the alamo bowl to bring you this:
temple, down 20-3 entering the 4th qtr, came back to beat akron tonight. thats a road win. and their second overall. and it brings their conference record to a respectable 2-2. i kid you not.
Shouldn't you be posting that in the Temple Rules thread? Oh yeah...
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 13, 2007, 10:11:06 PM
williams absolutely doesnt ahvet he speed...i saw him play in high school many times and he was john blaze back then...since hes gained way too much weight and lost all the burst he ever had...hes not even close to a pro player...cfl...and even that is iffy
Agree. I think he's actually slower than both Deon Butler and Jordan Norwood.
Quote from: Cerevant on October 14, 2007, 06:30:49 AM
Shouldn't you be posting that in the Temple Rules thread? Oh yeah...
if temple wins next week at home against miami of ohio, they might be 1/2 back of the division lead. i kid you not.
Quote from: FastFreddie on October 14, 2007, 07:06:02 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 13, 2007, 10:11:06 PM
williams absolutely doesnt ahvet he speed...i saw him play in high school many times and he was john blaze back then...since hes gained way too much weight and lost all the burst he ever had...hes not even close to a pro player...cfl...and even that is iffy
Agree. I think he's actually slower than both Deon Butler and Jordan Norwood.
He is absolutely faster than both of those guys. He may not be that great of a player but he opens things up for their whole offense. As far as him gaining too much weight he is down to 170 this season so he could get some of his speed back. But I am sure that football experts like IGY and FF already knew that.
I will bet you $20 Derrick is not drafted in the first round. I'll go double or nothing he never makes an NFL Pro Bowl. I'll tack on a $50 bet he doesn't make a pro bowl as a WR (vs as a returner). Tack on another $10 if you win all 3 for a cool Benjamin. PM me if interested.
somebody's feelings are hurt
Quote from: FastFreddie on October 14, 2007, 05:05:25 PM
I will bet you $20 Derrick is not drafted in the first round. I'll go double or nothing he never makes an NFL Pro Bowl. I'll tack on a $50 bet he doesn't make a pro bowl as a WR (vs as a returner). Tack on another $10 if you win all 3 for a cool Benjamin. PM me if interested.
No where did I say that he was good, I just said he was fast. He does open up things for the offense. At this point he probably isn't even a first day pick let alone a first rounder. That does not negate the fact that he is fast player.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on October 13, 2007, 09:40:33 PM
1. Williams has speed and talent, but I doubt he's anything special at the pro level. He reminds me of Greg Lewis. I'd say he's a late round pick at best. He might get drafted higher because of his punt return ability.
This guy has it right^^^^
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on October 14, 2007, 06:11:04 PM
No where did I say that he was good, I just said he was fast. He does open up things for the offense. At this point he probably isn't even a first day pick let alone a first rounder. That does not negate the fact that he is fast player.
but hes not fast....he might be faster than hank baskett....thats about it.....settle down
He's "Big-10 Fast."
you mean like purdue fast?
Quote from: Geowhizzer on October 14, 2007, 07:30:32 PM
He's "Big-10 Fast."
Exactly, Butler might be as fast as him, but Norwood is no where close. He may not be as fast as advertised, but opponents still fear him.
farg Derrick Williams. Let's talk about the GAWD Maurice Evans.
Hayes out for the season with a torn ACL (http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/20071015_Knee_injury_sidelines_Penn_States_Hayes_for_season.html)
Details of the rape are starting to filter out. Supposedly she was on top for most of it. Odd....
probably doing the reverse cowgirl.
Quote from: BigEd76 on October 16, 2007, 11:12:43 AM
Details of the rape are starting to filter out. Supposedly she was on top for most of it. Odd....
Amazing she wasn't able to slip away. If only her skin were more like pigskin.
Link (http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/20071018_Totally_unbelievable.html)
QuoteThe woman acknowledged she had been drinking and that she did not tell Scott to stop when he began to have sex with her. But, she said, she told him before she went to his apartment that she did not wish to engage in sexual relations. She also claimed her later reticence was because she feared for her physical safety and that Scott had struck her in the back with his balled left fist when she awakened to find him attempting to penetrate her with his penis.
QuoteThis is where details of what followed become murky. The woman said she left the bar with him, but she stated upfront and in no uncertain terms that she did not want to have sex with him and "that's not the kind of person I am.''
She testified that Scott asked whether she wanted him to call her a taxi and she said, "Yeah,'' but they continued walking in the direction of Scott's residence until they were in the bedroom of his apartment.
"He turned on the TV" to the Discovery Channel, she said, before Scott excused himself to go to the bathroom. When he returned, she said she removed her shoes and socks and they continued to talk before she became drowsy and fell asleep.
"Something started to wake me up,'' she said. "I was kind of startled . . . he was trying to have sex with me. I started to sit up and that's when I felt him punch me in my back. It was enough to hurt me. It sent me into shock.''
Karoly's line of questioning suggested that the woman wanted Scott's attention, that she had encouraged the sexual contact and that she didn't call campus police until she left the apartment with "buyer's remorse.''
"You were attracted to him, weren't you?'' he asked.
"No.''
"You went right to the bedroom, no questions asked?''
"Yes.''
"As you sit here, you're telling the judge you have no recollection of how your jeans came off?''
"I have no idea.''
"What did you think was going to happen in Austin Scott's bed?''
"I thought we were going to talk and watch TV.''
Karoly said if the woman really did not want to have sex, she would have done or said something to resist when she realized what was going on.
"Did you say no when he began to take your panties off?'' Karoly asked.
"No.''
"Did you ever suggest [to Scott] you weren't enjoying what was happening?''
"I thought my face was a suggestion.''
"Did you do anything to resist his [second] penetration?''
"No, I did not.''
"Did you say, 'I don't want this?' ''
"No.''
"Did you say, 'I don't enjoy this?' ''
"No.''
"Was any of your clothing ripped?''
"No.''
"Not even your panties?''
"No.''
Karoly said the alleged victim's testimony was not credible and that Centre County District Attorney Michael Madeira should "save the time, embarrassment and expense'' of having Marshall continue to prosecute the case.
Marshall, however, countered that "everything that happened after [the punch] was the result of her being afraid'' and that her multiple bruises were consistent with someone who had been sexually assaulted. *
Hahahaha, he tried to farging donkey punch her and missed. My new hero.
Quote"I thought we were going to talk and watch TV.''
Hilarious.
(http://media.philly.com/images/20071018_dn_0jq2dfsp.jpg)
lol - Wolfman Jack is defending Scott?
It sounds like the line has been blurred significantly on this one.
Still, it sounds more like assault than the capital crime of rape.
Hahaha the dude punched her in the back. Oh man, I can't stop laughing at that.
Just wake me up when I can make another joke about him fumbling the football a lot.
That is pretty "unbelievable". I agree with FF it seems more like an assault case than it was rape. I can't believe she said her facial expression was what would have told him no. Some women make some pretty odd faces when they are having sex.
If you don't want something to happen just say no. That makes it clear as it can be, though that some times isn't conclusive. I don't know the fact he hit her does not bode well for him. Then again who knows, some women like being beaten during sex and called degrading names.
Here's my take - not guilty of rape. Saying "no" two hours ago, before you went into his bedroom doesn't count.
Still kicked off the team. Sorry pal, you need to use better judgment. No, it isn't fair. Yes you are being held to a higher standard. That comes with the free ride to college.
Quote from: Cerevant on October 19, 2007, 05:53:32 AM
Here's my take - not guilty of rape. Saying "no" two hours ago, before you went into his bedroom doesn't count.
Still kicked off the team. Sorry pal, you need to use better judgment. No, it isn't fair. Yes you are being held to a higher standard. That comes with the free ride to college.
Based on what we know about the situation, I agree. Plus, I cringed every time Austin Scott got the ball anyway, so I'm glad he's gone. Evan Royster's the troof.
if he didnt rape her then what better judgement should he have used...football players arent allowed to try and bag girls?
Well, if he actually hit her with a closed fist, that's poor judgment. Otherwise, I'm just being biased because I never liked him as a player.
what makes you believe her when she says he punched her but not believe her when she says he raped her
if you believe one woudlnt you believe the other...likewise if you dont believe one of those things happened then you probably wouldnt believe the other
i don't see the big deal. who hasn't punched a girl in the back while trying to squeeze your shonce inside her?
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 19, 2007, 09:28:36 AM
what makes you believe her when she says he punched her but not believe her when she says he raped her
if you believe one woudlnt you believe the other...likewise if you dont believe one of those things happened then you probably wouldnt believe the other
If you assume everything she's said is true, she wasn't raped. She was coerced and possibly assaulted, but considering she never said "no" once she got into his apartment by her own admission... not rape.
Quote from: phattymatty on October 19, 2007, 09:41:56 AM
i don't see the big deal. who hasn't tried to fist a bitch against her will?
For clarity's sake.
Morelli sucks. In related news, the sun will rise tomorrow.
Maurice Evans is gawd.
Penn State's redzone offense looks like the Eagles
Holy smoke they've had opportunities to put this game away.
This game is slipping right through their fingers.
For Indiana, James Hardy looks to be a good one.
Hahn was hurt before the hit on that one. Looks like his foot caught in the turf.
Why do they keep running with the ball? That's a strange looking play to me...
temple 6 minutes away from upsetting miami of ohio. mac title game what
Nice drive to (hopefully) ice the game.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on October 20, 2007, 03:09:13 PM
Nice drive to (hopefully) ice the game.
You mean, Indiana...Jesus Lewis was fast there
Morelli is a lucky bastich right there, what an idiot under pressure
96 yards to go for Indiana. Why am I not confident?
got damn lucky there
PSU wins. Much like my sex life it was sloppy, but I'll take what I can get.
Lewis is darn fast, but luckily for PSU he also has butterfingers.
get Hardy?
Quote from: BigEd76 on October 20, 2007, 05:20:36 PM
get Hardy?
That is exactly what I was thinking all game long. He is going to be a beast.
Odrick (ankle) and Hahn (ACL) done for the year
That is not good.
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on October 20, 2007, 08:41:17 PM
That is not good.
yeah now they might lose in the independance bowl
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 21, 2007, 01:19:43 AM
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on October 20, 2007, 08:41:17 PM
That is not good.
yeah now they might lose in the independance bowl
Ha! Exactly. They could lose out and still go to A bowl.. and they at least have one more win coming (Temple), so whatever.
Are you to douche bags even PSU fans?
Of course, we're all pumped for that Alamo Bowl showdown with Texas Tech.
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on October 21, 2007, 11:28:15 AM
Are you to douche bags even PSU fans?
I'm an alumnus. I'm a fan. The losses of Odrick (bummer) and Hahn (major bummer) ultimately won't make much of a difference in their wins and losses this season, so... whatever.
I was being sarcastic sweetheart.
#24 on the new AP poll
(Rutgers is #25)
Quote from: BigEd76 on October 21, 2007, 04:33:37 PM
#24 on the new AP poll
(Rutgers is #25)
Go team. farg Jersey.
Shut the farg up. All of you.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on October 23, 2007, 11:22:09 PM
Quote from: SunMo on October 23, 2007, 11:11:47 PM
no way they get slaughtered...good chance they win
Wish I was as optimistic. Just been down this road too many times.
What road? Playing at home against Ohio State with nothing in particular on the line? This is when Penn State football thrives, buddy.
I walk a lonely road
Quote from: FastFreddie on October 24, 2007, 07:14:01 AM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on October 23, 2007, 11:22:09 PM
Quote from: SunMo on October 23, 2007, 11:11:47 PM
no way they get slaughtered...good chance they win
Wish I was as optimistic. Just been down this road too many times.
What road? Playing at home against Ohio State with nothing in particular on the line? This is when Penn State football thrives, buddy.
Even though I know that this is true, I don't want jerks like you getting me excited about the possibility of an upset this weekend. Jerk.
game will be exactly like the michigan game last year...the crowd and a solid d will keep penn state in the game but at no time ever will you have the belief that penn state can win
barring morelli really blowing up and throwing like 5 picks it will be like a 20-7 game with ohio state in control the whole time
rhino bar?
possible
Wish I could be up there for this game, though I do kind of agree with IGY about it being like the Michigan game last year. That being said if PSU could win just one more game this season I want it to be this one. I have a bunch of OSU fans in my Company, not one of them knows shtein about football.
Terrelle Pryor will not be attending the game tomorrow. His reasoning is that he is interested in both teams and that he feels it would be disrespectful to OSU if he was on the PSU sideline.
Terrelle Pryor, my friends, is going to be Buckeye.
welcome to six months ago
Huh, I thought you would like that post. It is sufficiently negative and condescending.
true....but it also sounded as tho you came to the conclusion this morning
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 26, 2007, 12:37:34 PM
true....but it also sounded as tho you came to the conclusion this morning
Definitely not. But I will admit to holding out some hope, this just crushes all of that hope.
yeah its been over
turn your attention to dorian bell in 09...kid is absolutely sick
I'll turn my attention to them hosting the #1 team in the country tomorrow night in prime time.
if it took you until friday afternoon to do that then you sir are not a true fan
in preparation of tonights game i started drinking on thurs. night and haven't stopped yet.
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 26, 2007, 02:47:41 PM
if it took you until friday afternoon to do that then you sir are not a true fan
I'm automatically a true fan.
true fans will participate in the white out even if they are watching at home
Slaughter
men vs boys tonight
penn states defensive line got absolutely embarrassed...they should be ashamed of the way they played
gmac bowl
temple vs. penn state
coming to a mobile, alabama near you
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 27, 2007, 11:16:41 PM
men vs boys tonight
penn states defensive line got absolutely embarrassed...they should be ashamed of the way they played
No doubt. I really wasn't expecting PSU to win, but I didn't expect their defense to get so thoroughly embarassed.
the corner play was almost as embarrassing as the line play
Yeah Justin King's last two games have been really bad, so much for all the talk that he will go pro.
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on October 28, 2007, 04:32:19 PM
Yeah Justin King's last two games have been really bad, so much for all the talk that he will go pro.
I think it's cute when they talk about him as "one of the better corners in college football".
jk was bad no doubt
but he got exposed by the defensive line...they were sickening last night
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 28, 2007, 07:39:24 PM
jk was bad no doubt
but he got exposed by the defensive line...they were sickening last night
that is a valid point, though I don't know that I would say they got exposed. they had one bad game.
This was like watching the Pats/Cowboys game a few weeks ago... at no point did I feel like OSU was dominating, but they capitalized on every mistake and played such a solid unspectacular game that by the end it was a 20-point victory.
farging Penn State.
i'm sure the band was great though
Quote from: SunMo on October 29, 2007, 01:14:53 PM
i'm sure the band was great though
OSU's band is better.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9qLUn9H0EQ
That's outstanding.
Bullshtein call on that Kinlaw run. He clearly stepped out before fumbling.
Of course if the farging idiot didn't fumble, it wouldn't farging matter. farg!
it looked like he stepped on the edge of the line, but it was far from clear.
these farging iceholes fumble too much anyway...farg em
They won, setting up a huge showdown with Temple!
AWESOME: Just noticed Michael Zordich, Jr. committed to PSU.
wow you are all OVER that zordich commitment
Well, I haven't been following recruiting news. I trust you fargers to give me the info.
The same inbred Pittsburgh genetic curiosities that watch the Steelers at my local pub also watch Penn State.
Just thought I'd mention it.
Sportsline currently has PSU projected to the Outback Bowl against Florida
Quote from: BigEd76 on November 04, 2007, 01:14:14 PM
Sportsline currently has PSU projected to lose in the Outback Bowl against Florida
Bummer.
It's Temple week, bitches. I have a ticket I'm looking to sell. Start the bidding for this gem.
Sean Lee says he will not enter the 2008 draft
sean lee better never enter the nfl draft
anyone in need of an extra ticket i will sell to you douches first, otherwise its off to one the knuckleheads who scalp. word free temple student ticket profit for me.
have fun with your twelve bucks
face value standing room is going for 35. i will come out a rich man, gentile.
How are you going to storm the field in triumph if you don't go?
is this game on TV?
Sort of. ESPNU.
Gotta wonder why the fargtards in this area don't have it on local?
I mean, they have no problem putting Temple vs. any other scrub team on every week. Why should Temple vs. Penn Scrub be any different?
HAhAhAHAHAHHAhAHAAHahahahahahahaaHAhaha. Penn Scrub! Hilarious.
Die.
farg Penn State.
Quote from: rjs246 on November 10, 2007, 01:41:52 PM
HAhAhAHAHAHHAhAHAAHahahahahahahaaHAhaha. Penn Scrub! Hilarious.
Die.
LOL, no joke...that was a typo. :-D
Freudian typo. Awesome.
24-0 State, last I checked. Snoozer.
did royster get hurt today?
Not that I heard...
Recap (http://gopsusports.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/recaps/111007aaa.html)
QuoteThe Nittany Lions (8-3) improved their career record to 33-3-1 against the Owls and a nifty 24-0 under coach Joe Paterno. Temple (3-7) has not beaten Penn State since a 14-0 win on Oct. 18, 1941.
Morelli threw for 260 yards and three TDs and Derrick Williams had seven catches for 104 yards. Penn State had 202 yards rushing to only four yards for Temple.
The game drew a Temple record 69,029 to Lincoln Financial Field and marked only the third time in the five years the Owls have played here that attendance went over the 30,000 mark. Very few came to root for the Owls.
Fans could normally arrive at a Temple game an hour before kickoff and pull into a prime parking spot. The traveling, tailgating Penn State fans started to pack the lots by 8:30 a.m. and traffic snaked around the various streets leading to the sports complex. There was maybe one Temple fan for every 200 Penn State diehards, who all braved the chilly and rainy conditions to drink a few beers and grill their sausage-and-ham breakfast sandwiches.
GOLDEN STANDARD
Damn...Pearl Harbor hadn't even been bombed yet.
Thanks to Illinois, PSU is now projected to the Champs Sports Bowl vs Virginia
Quote from: FastFreddie on November 10, 2007, 07:10:04 PM
Not that I heard...
Recap (http://gopsusports.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/recaps/111007aaa.html)
QuoteThe Nittany Lions (8-3) improved their career record to 33-3-1 against the Owls and a nifty 24-0 under coach Joe Paterno. Temple (3-7) has not beaten Penn State since a 14-0 win on Oct. 18, 1941.
Morelli threw for 260 yards and three TDs and Derrick Williams had seven catches for 104 yards. Penn State had 202 yards rushing to only four yards for Temple.
The game drew a Temple record 69,029 to Lincoln Financial Field and marked only the third time in the five years the Owls have played here that attendance went over the 30,000 mark. Very few came to root for the Owls.
Fans could normally arrive at a Temple game an hour before kickoff and pull into a prime parking spot. The traveling, tailgating Penn State fans started to pack the lots by 8:30 a.m. and traffic snaked around the various streets leading to the sports complex. There was maybe one Temple fan for every 200 Penn State diehards, who all braved the chilly and rainy conditions to drink a few beers and grill their sausage-and-ham breakfast sandwiches.
GOLDEN STANDARD
PSU is remarkably the most popular team in this city by far. Of course they gonna pack the joint.
Baker, Bowman, Timmons charged in relation to fight last month and won't make trip to MSU (http://www.centredaily.com/news/breaking_news/story/262433.html)
further down the rabbit hole we go
looks like they wont be playing in the independence bowl
Quote from: MDS on November 15, 2007, 06:18:29 PM
looks like they wont be playing in the independence bowl
They can hang out in Fishtown with the Temple squad and Al Golden, then.
attack the mac
more info about the fight
http://runupthescore.wordpress.com/
Saw this over on BSG. This was from Miami's Scout site:
These are all the PSU player arrests since 2004:
Quote1. Maurice Humphrey, Arrest, Assault & Prison Guilty
2. Maurice Humphrey - Guilty Probation Violation
3. Maurice Humphrey - Fake ID Probation Violation Guilty
4. Tyler Reed, Drunk In Public Summary Charge Guilty
5. Andrew Richardson, Drunk In Public Summary Charge Guilty
6. Rashard Casey, Arrest, Assault, Dismissed
7. Anwar Phillips, Arrest, Assault, Dismissed
8. T.C. Cosby, Arrest, Assault, Acquitted
9. Michael Robinson, Ice-Rink Fight Summary Charge
10. Lavon Chisley, Arrest, Sexual Assault, Dismissed
11. Paul Jefferson, Drunk In Public Summary Charge Guilty
12. Ed Johnson, Ice-rink fight Summary Charge Guilty
13. Matthew Rice, Ice-rink fight Summary Charge Guilty
14. John Bronson, Arrest, Assault, Dismissed
15. Jeremy Kapinos, Drunk In Public Summary Charge
16. Tom McHugh, Hitting A Woman Summary Charge
17. Tony Johnson, Arrest, DUI Guilty
18. Richard Cheek, Arrest, Stolen Credit Card Guilty
19. Yaacov Yisreal, DUI, Guilty
20. Dan Drogan, DUI Leaving Accident, Guilty
21. Dethrell Garcia, DUI, Guilty
22. Scott Paxson, Criminal Mischief, Summary Charge Guilty
23. E.Z. Smith, Drunk In Public Summary Charge Guilty
24. R.J. Luke, Arrest Assault, Acquitted
25. Damone Jones, Unknown Charges Dismissed From School
26. Mike Sothern, Terroristic Disorderly Criminal Mischief Guilty
27. Mike Sothern Criminal Mischief Expelled Guilty
28. EZ Smith Criminal Mischief Summary Charge Guilty
29. Scott Paxson Criminal Mischief Summary Charge Guilty
30. Tyler Reed Criminal Mischief Summary Charge Guilty
31. Andrew Richardson Criminal Mischief Summary Charge Guilty
32. Ed Johnson Sexual Misconduct Arrest Guilty
34. Dan Connor Criminal Mischief Phone Summary Charge Guilty
35. Nolan MCready Criminal Mischief Phone Summary Charge Guilty
36. Jim Kanuch Criminal Mischief Summary Phone Charge Guilty
37. Paul Cronin Drunk In Public Summary Charge Guilty
38. Scott Paxson Sexual Assault & Aggravated Indecent Charge Guilty
39. Francis Claude Arrest At Bar Disorderly Conduct Guilty
40. Ed Johnson Failed Drug Test Condition Of Parole Guilty
41. Lavon Chisley Murder Charge Guilty Life Sentence
42. Anthony P. Scirrotto burglary, criminal trespass, criminal solicitation, simple assault, harassment. Trial Pending
43. Chris I. Baker burglary, criminal trespass criminal trespass, disorderly conduct, harassment. Trial Pending
44. Jerome A. Hayes criminal trespass, disorderly conduct, harassment. Dismissed
45. Justin King criminal trespass, disorderly conduct, harassment. Dismissed
46. Tyrell A. Sales criminal trespass, disorderly conduct, harassment Dismissed
47. Lydell R. Sargeant criminal trespass, disorderly conduct, harassment Dismissed
48. Andrew Quarless-Underage Drinking Guilty
49. Willie Harriot-Underage Drinking Guilty
50. Austin Scott Rape, Drugs Trial
51. Joe Suhey Underage Drinking Guilty
52. Ryan Breen Underage Drinking Guilty,
53. Joe Paterno Road Rage No Charges
54. Chris Baker felony aggravated assault, simple assault, disorderly conduct, summary harassment and stalking, Pending.
55. Navarro Bowman felony aggravated assault, simple assault, disorderly conduct, summary harassment and stalking, Pending.
56. Knowledge Timmons, disorderly conduct and defiant trespass, Pending
That's not too bad. They used to average over 40 arrests a year.
holy shtein! sweet home Cincinnati.
anthony morelli farging blows
haha, 15 seconds left, from his own 20 yard line, he runs around for 10 seconds and throws a 10 yard pass to a running back...what a farging moron
They might get into a good bowl because they have a good draw, but Penn State is slotted for the Alamo Bowl or the Insight Bowl. Well done.
awful
I suppose it's better than the San Diego County Credit Union Bowl. Just ask Navy.
Yea but Navy doesn't have a douchey fan base full of morons who a. go to college in the middle of nowhere and b. root for a third tier big ten team and pretend that they have top 5 program.
farg penn state and enjoy the alamo bowl you dorks.
Quote from: MDS on November 17, 2007, 07:17:32 PM
They might get into a good bowl because they have a good draw, but Penn State is slotted for the Alamo Bowl or the Insight Bowl. Well done.
That's what I said before they even lost this game. Thanks for playing. BTW, the "Champs Sports" Bowl has a bigger payout than the Insight.
Quote from: MDS on November 18, 2007, 04:28:19 AM
Yea but Navy doesn't have a douchey fan base full of morons who a. go to college in the middle of nowhere and b. root for a third tier big ten team and pretend that they have top 5 program.
farg penn state and enjoy the alamo bowl you dorks.
A. Middle of nowhere is better than the ugliest, most run-down section of a run-down city.
B. That big win over Kent State getting you fired up, big guy? It's not like Temple's been lighting the world on fire in sports or academics.
So when does Temple play in the Toilet Bowl?
ha someone thinks temple is a good school.
im 3 subway stops from center city, morons in state college are more than 3 hours from civilization.
Penn State Abington. Hollaz!
Quote from: MDS on November 18, 2007, 01:30:58 PM
im 3 subway stops from center city, morons in state college are more than 3 hours from civilization.
So, why didn't you go to University of the Arts?
cant believe you dopes actually get sucked into a temple penn state debate
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 18, 2007, 07:45:28 PM
cant believe you dopes actually get sucked into a temple penn state debate
It's a debate?
Most are predicting PSU to the Champs Sports Bowl vs. either Virginia or Clemson.
Go team.
Quote from: FastFreddie on November 22, 2007, 11:52:18 AM
Most are predicting PSU to the Champs Sports Bowl vs. either Virginia or Clemson.
Go team.
Now the rumor is that the Alamo doesn't want Michigan, because they just played there a couple of years ago. PSU is likely to go to the Alamo Bowl either way...
If OSU makes the championship game:
Rose - Illinois
Capital One - Wisconsin
Outback - Michigan
Alamo - PSU
Champs Sports - Michigan State? Indiana? Who cares?
If OSU doesn't make the championship:
Rose - OSU
Capital One - Illinois
Outback - Wisconsin
Alamo - PSU
Champs Sports - Michigan
I guess this means all the Michigan fans should be rooting damn hard for Oklahoma this weekend.
lol Alamo Bowl
actually the alamo will be one of the highest paying december bowl games...probably in the 2.5 mil range...and could possibly be the highest...not bad for the zesty year penn state had
ugh. i was thinking about going to whatever bowl psu went to this year. i would rather not go to san antonio.
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 28, 2007, 02:57:25 PM
actually the alamo will be one of the highest paying december bowl games...probably in the 2.5 mil range...and could possibly be the highest...not bad for the zesty year penn state had
thats the problem. penn state beats nobody and gets a 2.5 million reward. this country sucks.
not all is unfair...temple blows and gets absolutely nothing
Temple gets to stay in North Philly during bowl season.
North Philly > El Paso, Texas.
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 28, 2007, 04:06:26 PM
not all is unfair...temple blows and gets absolutely nothing
next year we'll get that big gmac bowl payout. mobile will be hoppin'.
San Antonio is actually not bad. Get drunk on the Riverwalk.
By the way, Wisconsin accepted their Outback invite.
3-star TE Mark Wedderburn (brother of Floyd) committed
this psu basketball team is not awful this year. they won't be doing anything in march but they'll have several nice big ten wins this year. they actually remind me a lot of the sweet 16 team. claxton is the real deal and that little cracker walker can shoot it. really fun game to watch last night against VT.
PSU to the Alamo Bowl
So, apparently a couple of PSU kids dressed up as Virginia Tech shooting victims at a Halloween party, and the pictures ended up on Facebook.
CLASSY.
:-D
Penn State kid trashy and classless? No.
(http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m267/jeepwrang1994/Interwebz/hp4-18-07ee.jpg)
From Texas A&M's pep rally yesterday:
"Joe Paterno is on his deathbed and someone needs to find him a casket."
you mean to tell me hes still alive?
I thought that was quite funny, apparently most at the pep rally didn't
Morelli Sucks
its been so painful to watch these two morelli years
its like it was a contest to see what was more brutal
morelli or the play calling
and tonight was a microcosm of the last two seasons
Morelli is f'ing brutal and NFL Draft Countdown still considers him a top 10 QB prospect for the upcoming draft
Quote from: BigEd76 on December 30, 2007, 12:32:38 PM
Morelli is f'ing brutal and NFL Draft Countdown still considers him a top 10 QB prospect for the upcoming draft
wow. I think he's a lock to go undrafted. Then some team will problably sign him as a undrafted f/a.
Quote from: BigEd76 on December 30, 2007, 12:32:38 PM
Morelli is f'ing brutal and NFL Draft Countdown still considers him a top 10 QB prospect for the upcoming draft
That's incredible. If true, the list should be less than 10.
4-star WR Deion Walker, expected to go to PSU for months, chose Notre Dame
NY Times:
QuoteAlthough Pryor had not eliminated Penn State from consideration, he made it sound as if the Nittany Lions faced long odds. "I don't like their area," he said. "I don't like their offense either. They said they'll bring the spread with me, but I don't know."
enjoy watching him run all over the Lions for 3 years
I'm worried. Schools like OSU and Michigan are usually hurting for top prospects, so getting a guy like Pryor will really change a lot.
Is this anything new? PSU misses out on a top prospect because no one in their right mind wants to go play for a second rate Big Ten school.
Other than Temple players who would give their right nut for a chance to lick Paterno's shaft.
I'm pretty sure the old farger hasn't had a boner in 25 years.
No one said anything about the rigidity/flaccidity of his wohnz. Kudos to you for going the extra mile.
got this from another board, from a poster who is plugged into the program, has been on with other recruitment stuff:
QuoteWalker - Parents wanted him at ND because Weis visited them personally, and called personally. The kid never heard from Paterno at all and really only recruited by McQueary. People think the kid himself preferred PSU since he visited there 5 times in the past 6 or 7 months. The staff had no idea he was going to ND until late on Saturday night. They thought they had him in the bag, but were once again screwed over by Paterno just not wanting to be bothered.
Tate - Staff thinks they are in good shape with him, but IMO at this point, they have no concept of what reality actually is. My guess is he visits, but chooese either Illinois or Maryland in the end.
Pryor - I'll stand by what I said from day 1 that he comes down to PSU or tOSU. I give PSU about a 5% chance. Tressel will get involved with Pryor and correctly point out to him that he's taking the time to personally recruit him, while Paterno is nowhere to be found. I'll be suprised if Paterno even visits him.....he's become that lazy. The only way we get him IMO is if Pryor is give assurances by Spanier that Bradley takes over the program within the next 2 years.
And now this gem..............within the last week, Broderick Green and his parents contacted PSU about transferring in for the spring semester. For those who don't know, Green is the RB from Arkansas that picked USC over PSU last February. McQueary took the request to Joe who said absolutely not.
Getting lazy with recruiting leads me to believe he is planning to retire in the next 2-3 years max.
hes been lazy in recruiting for going on ten years now
He visited Derrick Williams.
he got derrick williams for two reasons
1. larry johnson
2. univ md firing his father
Are you saying Joe is more of a liability in recruiting than on game day?
easily
he doesnt do anything on game days but yell at refs....where as negative recruiting takes place against him from other schools every second of every day and most of it works
I wonder how clear it is that Tom Bradley will be his successor in the annals of the athletic department.
You don't hear about Bradley being much of a recruiter either.
im trying to think of a worse choice to be the next head coach than tom bradley and i cant think of one
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 08, 2008, 03:02:24 PM
im trying to think of a worse choice to be the next head coach than tom bradley and i cant think of one
I'll name three:
1. Andy Reid
2. Joe Gibbs
3. reese125
Anthony Morelli
Samuel Dalembert
Austin Scott
MDS
i right now am a better coach than joe paterno, and i would throw every game because i want penn state to rot.
Your bitterness is palpable. You should shove it up your ass.
i shouldnt even be bitter. you are the ones that invest so much into a team that will never, ever win anything. at least with temple we all know the entire athletic department is a sham and no one bothers.
Quote from: MDS on January 08, 2008, 04:41:14 PM
i shouldnt even be bitter. you are the ones that invest so much into a team that will never, ever win anything. at least with temple we all know the entire athletic department is a sham and no one bothers.
Everyone except you, maybe:
Quote from: MDS on January 02, 2008, 02:34:27 PM
actually i should be covering temple football games next year, which means flying to the likes of kent state and western michigan to cover games, so my eagles watching/going to games could be hindered.
i get paid to do that. hopefully it will be my "career."
Quote from: FastFreddie on January 08, 2008, 02:54:44 PM
I wonder how clear it is that Tom Bradley will be his successor in the annals of the athletic department.
You don't hear about Bradley being much of a recruiter either.
Actually that is supposed to be one of his stronger points.
Justin King declared for the draft
Pittsburgh Post Gazette says Paterno is visiting Pryor tomorrow. Might be too little too late though.
Looks like one of the verbally committed recruits (D'Anton Lynn) is checking out USC. bye
Quote from: BigEd76 on January 29, 2008, 02:09:10 PM
Pittsburgh Post Gazette says Paterno is visiting Pryor tomorrow. Might be too little too late though.
The last recruiter to see the kind before he makes a decision arguably has an advantage, actually.
^^^^
true
the fact that pryor is even willing to see paterno can only be seen as a good thing...could be and probably is out of respect more than anything else...but it can only be seen as a positive
in other news penn state was eliminated today by kenny tate (illiinois, maryland)
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 29, 2008, 02:19:38 PM
could be and probably is out of respect more than anything else...but it can only be seen as a positive
That's pretty much my thinking exactly. Either way, can't hurt.
Erin Andrews at last night's OSU/PSU game:
(http://www.the-ozone.net/images/ea/images/08-01-29-MB-0264.jpg)
Quote from: BigEd76 on January 30, 2008, 11:14:51 AM
Erin Andrews at last night's OSU/PSU game:
(http://www.the-ozone.net/images/ea/images/08-01-29-MB-0264.jpg)
That site is blocked for me. Was she naked and making out with Linda Kohn?
that is a definite turd cutter.
I'd eat it with a spoon.
That picture is definitely the greatest thing to ever happen in State College, PA.
I was ten feet away from her at the Conference USA Championship in December.
She's hotter in person if that's even possible.
Good Christ.
So I met Paul Pozluszny today, he was a pretty cool guy. I don't know why they say he is undersized, because he is quite large. Sometimes guys are smaller than they are listed, not at all the case for him. It is probably the other way around.
He said he Joe Pa is like a wise old grandfather, he also said he knows anything you could possibly think of about football.
Poz is in Iraq?
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on January 31, 2008, 10:49:12 AM
he also said he knows anything you could possibly think of about football.
except offense or quarterbacks
or recruiting
or holding in a poop.
hahaha
Quote from: FastFreddie on January 31, 2008, 10:52:36 AM
Poz is in Iraq?
Yeah, he was here with Mike Minter and Greg Biekert. Minter is very small, I would have never guessed he played in the NFL. He was a really cool guy though, he just came up and started talking to people randomly.
Minter's only listed at 5'10 or 5'11 (not going to bother looking it up), which means he's probably even shorter.
Penn State beat #7 Michigan State 85-76.
Actual exchange I had yesterday afternoon at a poker game:
Other guy: "You went to Penn State?"
Me: "Yep."
Other guy: "Hey, nice win over Michigan State, man."
Me: "What? In men's basketball?"
Other guy: "No, in division I tiddleywinks."
Scintillating, I know. So, has Terrelle Pryor made up his mind yet? He was the featured guy in the PARADE All-American team.
Are you smarter than Marilyn?
Quote from: phattymatty on February 04, 2008, 11:43:28 AM
Are you smarter than Marilyn?
Who is? Her IQ's like 220 or some shtein.
From SI.com:
Joe Paterno and Penn State are making a last-minute effort to keep high school quarterback Terrelle Pryor in state, and according to Pryor's high school coach, the Nittany Lions are making some progress. Paterno visited Pryor last week, days before national signing day where Pryor will make his decision as to what college he'll attend in the fall. Pryor is scheduled to make his decision known in front of a national television audience on Wednesday at 12 p.m. Many believe the finalists are Ohio State and Michigan.
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Pryor to decide Wednesday
Monday, February 04, 2008
By Mike White, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
Decision day will be at noon Wednesday for Terrelle Pryor.
Pryor, star quarterback at Jeannette High School, said today he is "80 to 90 percent sure" he will announce his choice at a news conference Wednesday. He had been considering pushing back his decision a week or so, and possibly visiting the University of Oregon.
But Pryor said he will not visit Oregon and the Ducks are out of the picture.
"I have to call them today and tell them," Pryor said.
Pryor said he will decide among Ohio State, Michigan and Penn State, although Ohio State and Michigan have been the leaders all along.
Jeannette school officials are also making preparations for the announcement Wednesday in the school gymnasium. Jeannette principal Stu Albaugh said only Pryor's invited guests and media members will be permitted to attend. The public is not welcome.
ESPN and CSTV plan to announce Pryor's decision live. Sports Illustrated and the Washington Post are sending reporters and newspapers from Pennsylvania, Ohio and Michigan also will be represented.
farg Super Tuesday. Gimme Pryor on Wednesday.
I hate reading shtein like that, having no hope at all is better than having a glimmer of hope...especially when he holds up his Buckeyes jersey at the PC.
He's keeping Oregon in the fray also:
QuoteTerrelle Pryor - QB – Jeannette, Pa.
Rivals.com recruiting analyst Mike Farrell spoke to Pryor Monday night and said Pryor was still 50/50 whether he'd sign on Wednesday and that Oregon is not eliminated. Finalists are OSU, Michigan and PSU if he signs Wednesday. Oregon is in the mix if he waits until after Signing Day.
oregon and penn state are out...belee dat
hes on record as saying oregon is out and he hates state college...regardless of what schools hes lists as his finalists its down to michigan or osu
This is yet another example of the odds being in favor of your bold statement but against what you really want to happen, so you lose nothing by declaring something as an absolute that actually is not.
no it was a response to your wasteful post about oregon not being out of it when they clearly are...it has nothing to do with penn state
"wasteful post"
Ok, champ. It is new information from what was last posted in the thread about the top player in the country, who has not yet ruled out attending Penn State.
It has everything to do with Penn State.
do you have any idea how many recruits keep teams on their "official" list that have been ruled out...it happens all the time for different reasons
the kid said in an interview that oregon was out and he cancelled his visit there
oregon has less of a chance than penn state even
Zero is now less than zero?
from another board...
QuoteOn the eve of LOI day, here's where we stand.......
Recent decisions:
Marcus Davis - committed to VT over Penn State yesterday.
Corey Lewis - committed to ILL over Penn State yesterday.
Neither (along with Kenny Tate) received a visit from our head coach.
Awaiting decision:
Michael Shaw - Penn State verbal who is hedging and has visited Michigan. As of a week ago, he was still heading to Penn State. Since then, he and his family haven't taken any calls from either the media or coaches. The staff expects to land him tomorrow. Nothing would suprise me, but I think we have a better shot of retaining him than Michigan does prying him away.
D'Anton Lynn - By all accounts, his recruitment is over and he will sign his LOI with Penn State tomorrow.
Terrelle Pryor - Pryor told Mike White from the PPG yesterday that he was 80-90% sure he would sign his LOI tomorrow, and that Oregon was eliminated. Later in the day, he told Bob Lichtenfels from Scout and Mike Farrell from Rivals that he never said that and was 50-50 at best as to whether he was going to make a decision tomorrow. He also said Oregon was still in it.
Obviously someone is getting played here. Lichtenfels is the guy that Pryor has known the longest and he's been pretty close to the situation from day one, so I'd tend to believe him on where Pryor stands. Plus, he's also dialed into western PA better than anyone in the business. Lichtenfels has had multiple posts on the Scout forums in the last few days saying that Penn State is very much in the mix, and a "drastic shift" has occurred in their favor over the course of the last two weeks. My personal speculation (no inside info whatsoever) is that they may have told him Bradley will be named the successor right after LOI day.
The plot thickened a little more this morning when Lichtenfels reported that Pryor called Jay Paterno (ugh) on Sunday night to talk to him in-depth about the offense Penn State planned to feature him in if he would go there (think 2005 spread offense with MRob). This is huge, because if nothing else, it tells us that despite all previous thoughts, he isn't 100% convinced on going to Ohio State.
Will Penn State land him............I still think it's a long shot. All of a sudden though after months of nothing we have seemed to pick up a ton of momentum here and are closing on him strong. From what I've heard, his parents both fully trust and love Tom Bradley more than any other coach recruiting him.......and it's not real close. Bradley has had a 3-year relationship with the kid.
At the very least, there's a lot of smoke and some excitement building. Hopefully it's not a let down.
Shaw and Pryor would be like Slaton and White. I'm whacking vigorously just thinking about it.
QuoteTerrelle Pryor - QB - Jeannette, Pa.
Rivals.com recruiting analyst Mike Farrell confirmed with Terrelle Pryor this morning that he will 100 percent sign tomorrow. He's down to Ohio State, Michigan and Penn State and will announce at 12:05 p.m. ET on television.
VIGOROUS WHACKING
ha
QuoteMFarrell
Post #14790
Latest on Terrelle Pryor....
Terrelle Pryor just called me a few minutes ago and said he's now not signing tomorrow. He said he's 100-percent sure he's not signing. He said he's going to take an official visit to Penn State for sure, hopefully a weekend visit, and might visit Oregon. He said he is just not sure of his choice as of right now.
He has had numerous discussions with his father who really likes the way Penn State has recruited Terrelle. Penn State has been to Terrelle's father's house numerous times and had done a good job making him feel comfortable that PSU is the right place for his son.
So as of now it's OSU, Michigan, PSU and Oregon for his services with no signing date set. He could change his mind again when he wakes up, so I am simply reporting what he's telling me.
Trust me, he is not doing this for the attention, this kid sounds as torn up about a decision as any I've covered. And he is aware of the reputation that some folks are pinning on him and to that he told me he has to do what is right for him and can't worry about public opinion. He and his family come first and this is an important decision that he's not going to rush for anyone.
Good news for PSU fans here no doubt.
Dick tease
latest rumor is that Shaw is staying with PSU and will not jump to Michigan
Quote from: BigEd76 on February 05, 2008, 10:38:01 PM
Good news for PSU fans here no doubt.
This is starting to chafe my willie.
if he doesnt committ today then i think penn states chances significantly rise...rrod being a snake oil salesmen really hurt michigan in this...they had a slight lead at one time till all that wva stuff blew up...seems like they are out now
if he doesnt committ today and actually makes a state college visit then i think penn states chances go from about 1% to about 25%
this reminds me a lot of hazelton where the parents love penn state but the kid wants to go elsewhere which is why a visit to state college doesnt mean hes a penn state lean since tp himself has said he doesnt like the area...if only somehow philadelphia could be airlifted to the middle of the state for the weekend
Wait, I thought you said Penn State wasn't even in the running? So confusing.
they werent and still arent.....im saying if he doesnt committ today and visits penn state they got a shot....recruiting is as fluid as it gets....especially ate the end when things literally can change hourly
Then why make all or nothing statements about it?
i didnt...i said oregon has less of a chance than penn state and oregon has zero...penn state had 1% has 5% today and would shoot up to maybe 25% if he doesnt committ and visits
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 05, 2008, 09:44:32 AM
oregon and penn state are out...belee dat
hes on record as saying oregon is out and he hates state college...regardless of what schools hes lists as his finalists its down to michigan or osu
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 05, 2008, 10:03:24 AM
oregon has less of a chance than penn state even
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 06, 2008, 08:58:15 AM
if he doesnt committ today then i think penn states chances significantly rise...rrod being a snake oil salesmen really hurt michigan in this...they had a slight lead at one time till all that wva stuff blew up...seems like they are out now
if he doesnt committ today and actually makes a state college visit then i think penn states chances go from about 1% to about 25%
yeah and?...thats what i just said
and its still true...its just that the %'s may change a little
Less than 12 hours later, Shaw jumps from PSU to Michigan. F'ing high school kids...
Your first quote indicates a 0% chance for both schools. They're "out".
Your second indicates, as I previously noted, that zero is less than zero.
Your third indicates that PSU's chances might indeed be higher than zero.
Your bold statements of "fact" contradict each other on this, as they often do.
Deion Walker stays with Notre Dame. 0 for 2 for PSU already today
Quote from: BigEd76 on February 06, 2008, 09:48:39 AM
Less than 12 hours later, Shaw jumps from PSU to Michigan. F'ing high school kids...
see...fluid
Quote from: FastFreddie on February 06, 2008, 09:49:15 AM
Your first quote indicates a 0% chance for both schools. They're "out".
Your second indicates, as I previously noted, that zero is less than zero.
Your third indicates that PSU's chances might indeed be higher than zero.
Your bold statements of "fact" contradict each other on this, as they often do.
stalker
lol @ this
Quote from: FastFreddie on February 06, 2008, 09:49:15 AM
as I previously noted, that zero is less than zero.
dook is certifiable
running back is overrated and shaw wasnt ranked off the charts or anything...ohio state didnt even offer him...penn state has shown that they can basically plug anyone in at tailback and they can run the ball....its the wr's that they need...
altho shaw hurts more because he was a verbal...deion walker was the player they really needed
I'd written Walker off weeks ago, though. There are a lot of great players that PSU doesn't get. Only difference with Walker is that he had some strong interest at one point.
Still, PSU's recruiting class is very weak if they can't land Pryor. He would basically salvage some hope.
Now they're saying the Shaw thing on Scout was made up and he didn't jump to Michigan.....yet....
Quote from: BigEd76 on February 06, 2008, 10:41:49 AM
Now they're saying the Shaw thing on Scout was made up and he didn't jump to Michigan.....yet....
easy be slippin yo
shtein fluid and easy be flowin yo
Quote from: FastFreddie on February 06, 2008, 10:53:37 AM
Quote from: BigEd76 on February 06, 2008, 10:41:49 AM
Now they're saying the Shaw thing on Scout was made up and he didn't jump to Michigan.....yet....
shtein is fluid and easy be flowin yo
fixed
Thank you, sir.
Shaw to Michigan is now legit
Super. He was the only 4-star guy they had that wasn't a linebacker.
Quote from: BigEd76 on February 06, 2008, 09:48:39 AM
Less than 12 hours later, Shaw jumps from PSU to Michigan. F'ing high school kids...
;D
Quote from: BigEd76 on February 06, 2008, 10:41:49 AM
Now they're saying the Shaw thing on Scout was made up and he didn't jump to Michigan.....yet....
:(
Quote from: BigEd76 on February 06, 2008, 01:33:52 PM
Shaw to Michigan is now legit
;D
i seriously question any ohio high schooler that doesnt get a osu offer...not saying shaw wont be a good back but hes not a loss...id rather get a better guy next year
True, and Austin Scott was a 4-star, but Tony Hunt was a 3-star.
Royster is still the #1 RB for the next couple of years anyway.
I went to the Temple signing day press conference (zzzzzzz). Still infinitely better than getting worked up over how Penn State is going to field a 4th place Big Ten team.
lions a serious player for pryor
http://pennstate.scout.com/2/727104.html
I think this was the guy I heard today didn't want to go to Michigan because he thought Rodriguez was a fleshpop.
But I also heard that everyone at PSU is beyond tired with Joe Pa's schtick, as if that is any kind of news.
It's clear that Jay Paterno and Tom Bradley are the reason Pryor's considering PSU. It's clear that JoePa won't be around more than a season or two now.
Rumor is Bradley is the whole reason Pryor is really considering PSU.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsThRF0JtoY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oE-TH096R-8&feature=related
i watched the recruiting special last night on cstv and they had an interview with pryor where he said psu is "by far" his dads favorite....this is now EXACTLY like the vidal hazelton recruitment
he also said he will not play basketball in college
fyi - im sure they are repeating it today and if you get a chance watch that special...its really good
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 07, 2008, 11:21:40 AM
he also said he will not play basketball in college
This helps PSU.
For those of you who are unawares, Philip Taylor and Chris Bell have been booted off the team for academics.
Find your own damn link.
:boom
Wisconsin reporter says Pryor is down to PSU and OSU (http://www.madison.com/tct/blogs/insiders/271785) (Michigan and Oregon are out)
Quote from: NGM on February 09, 2008, 03:45:58 PM
For those of you who are unawares, Philip Taylor and Chris Bell have been booted off the team for academics.
Find your own damn link.
:boom
i thought they were only off until fall?
yeah theya re suspended "indefinitely"
which means they miss the spring game and come back this summer
Quote from: BigEd76 on February 09, 2008, 07:44:48 PM
Wisconsin reporter says Pryor is down to PSU and OSU (http://www.madison.com/tct/blogs/insiders/271785) (Michigan and Oregon are out)
Would be nice if true, obviously.
Taylor still has potential. Bell's been a waste so far, and I expect very little from him.
he plays wr at penn state....by law hes a waste
Good point.
Invited to the combine:
Dan Connor
Justin King
Anthony Morelli (WTF?!?)
Yeah, I was a bit surprised by that too. Must be a shortage of QB's in this year's class.
He's ranked around 10 or 11 among QBs and could go in the 7th round
If the Eagles waste a draft pick on him, the final straw will be removed and the front office will be indefensable.
Confirmed Temple games for next season:
QuoteSept. 20 at Penn state
I should be covering the team next year, so I'd figure I'd be going to this. Anything to do in State College besides lame frat parties and KKK meetings?
cow tipping BWAHAHAHAHAH!
Quote from: MDS on February 26, 2008, 06:33:25 PM
I should be covering the team next year, so I'd figure I'd be going to this. Anything to do in State College besides lame frat parties and KKK meetings?
Getting faced and bagging random sorostitutes would be fun for most guys your age.
In your case, I'd recommend holding up in the hotel room.
so that falls under the 'drinking skunk beer at a lame frat party' suggestion?
yeah, parties and beer are lame...booo!
oh no no, dooks. just frats full of psu tools and kegs of natty...yea.
Much better than the Mickey's Ice and gang members at Temple parties, right?
Quote from: MDS on February 26, 2008, 06:33:25 PM
Confirmed Temple games for next season:
QuoteSept. 20 at Penn state
I should be covering the team next year, so I'd figure I'd be going to this.
See, you were off to such a good start, on topic and everything.
QuoteAnything to do in State College besides lame frat parties and KKK meetings?
Guess you like my basketball commentary.
Mine are better.
go yuck it up with your peeps in that "Temple Rules" thread.
QuoteMore Problems Emerge For PSU Football Team
There is another suspension for the Penn State football team.
A team spokesman said tight end Andrew Quarless has been suspended indefinitely for an unspecified violation of team rules.
Quarless caught 14 passes for 205 yards and two touchdowns in 2007. He was suspended by coach Joe Paterno for the first two games of last season following a citation by university police for underage drinking.
Quarless will be a junior this fall.
His suspension brings the number of Nittany Lions sidelined this offseason following off-the-field issues to six. It's unclear if any of them might be back in good graces when spring practice starts later this month
I, for one, give them credit for moving towards the way of the future and recruiting problem athletes, instead of nice, hard-working guys that can't ball.
so has pryor made a decision yet?
It's a little early for him to decide if he wants to be indefinitely suspended from OSU or PSU, I'd think.
So I have 3 classes Wednesday at PSU Abington from 3-8:30, they're also in the exact same classroom. For my first class our Professor just had us hand in our midterm papers to another Professor who showed. I stayed in the class to study for my next midterm and got into a football conversation with the Proffessor. He used to teach up at state college in 2003. He told me in 2004 Graham Spanier knocked on JoePa's door asking for him to step down. JoePa said no and since he has so much backing there was really nothing Spanier could do. Come this season, Spanier was upset with how bad PSU's recruiting class was, so he recently knocked on JoePa's door again asking him to step down. JoePa again has refused.
True or not, when Joe Pa gave more than $4M back to the university he pretty much bought the right to set the terms for his retirement.
penn states problem was not getting rid of him ten years ago...the older people get the more stubborn and out of touch with reality they get...thats where paterno is...ten years ago he would have been pissed but he would have understood it was the best thing for the school...now hes completely blinded half senile and cant see the forest for the trees and is dragging the thing he most loves in the world into hell
if nothing else gets rid of him it should be the disgraceful conduct of the team off the field and the fact thats hes lost all control of his players
I think Joe has a hard one for Bowden. I think he won't go willingly until Bobby goes first. He wants to retire with the record for D1 wins.
i dont doubt that at all and thats exatly the kind of thing im talking about as far as stubborness
Anyone else catch the rumors that Bill Cowher was going to replace JoePa? Supposedly he's selling his NC home and his daughter is checking out schools for a basketball scholarship, but people think it's a sign that he's coming back. Whatever...
According to the public Wake County real estate site, Bill no longer owns any real estate in Raleigh.
(I'd found his house on there before.)
oh man this is too easy
BTW, my ex worked for the Provost for a while, and ended up in a lot of meetings and events with Spanier. The guy has the ego to show Joe Pa the door. If they have talked to Cowher, I could definitely see it happening.
first round: thurs. @ 2:30 vs. Illinois.
the road to san antonio begins.
oh snap. up by 1 with 30 sec. left.
ooops
losers.
Temple football > PSU hoops
Phatty has never heard the phrase "don't chase it"
Terrelle Pryor set to announce today at Noon according to Rivals100.com
Mike Farrell thinks its down to OSU and Michigan.
Linkage: http://footballrecruiting.rivals.com/content.asp?cid=786954 (http://footballrecruiting.rivals.com/content.asp?cid=786954)
Penn State player arrested
By Michael Hasch
TRIBUNE-REVIEW
Wednesday, March 19, 2008
Tyrell Sales, a Penn State football player from Butler, was arrested following a St. Patrick's Day celebration disturbance at a Station Square nightspot.
Sales, 22, a starting outside linebacker, was charged with defiant trespass and disorderly conduct for the incident that Pittsburgh Police said occurred about 8:15 p.m. Saturday at Margarita Mama's. The city's St. Patrick's Day Parade was held earlier in the day.
He was one of six Penn State football players originally charged in connection with a brawl last April at a State College apartment. Charges against four of the players, including Sales, were later withdrawn.
Penn State spokesman Jeff Nelson said Tuesday he was not aware of the arrest and had no comment.
lmfao...they are the Bengals of college football
I can see him going to Michigan for some reason, OSU has worked the hardest, but RichRod might get this steal
I see him going to Michigan also, because I hate them more than OSU and he'd be scary good in Rodriguez's offense. Basically, his pedigree is way better than Pat White's ever was.
So, my order of preference would be as follows:
1. PSU
2. Oregon
3. OSU
4. Michigan
And I assume Prior's is more like:
1. Michigan
2. OSU
84. PSU
506. Oregon
if he goes to michigan rrod definitely paid him
It's not about breaking the rules. It's about whether or not you get caught.
He chose Ohio State. Shocking.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on February 05, 2008, 09:15:45 AM
I hate reading shtein like that, having no hope at all is better than having a glimmer of hope...especially when he holds up his Buckeyes jersey at the PC.
Quote from: BigEd76 on March 19, 2008, 12:40:49 PM
He chose Ohio State. Shocking.
Jim Tressel is basically a god compared to Rich Rodriguez.
Pryor made the best choice he could have made. We'll see him winning a title and/or a Heisman with OSU. Book it.
yeah he made the right choice cant hate on him...if he had went to michigan i would have ripped him
nothing more needs to be said, you all get it.
Sit on it and twirl, Todd.
So which one of you is going to kill Joe Paterno so this team can go back to consistently being the 3rd best Big Ten team?
they havent been that good in the big ten since they joined....even when paterno wasnt weekend at bernies and was a positive for the program...once hes gone they basically are purdue for the rest of thier existence
Michigan is taking a big risk by hiring Rodriguez and could do long-term damage to their program. Wisconsin will always be "in the mix" but not top-shelf.
But OSU doesn't appear to be going anywhere at all, so I simply don't see PSU winning more than 1-2 Big Ten titles in the next decade, as a hopeful estimate. The talent to win a national title just isn't there, either.
The problem is that the Derrick Williams and Justin King class and the post-Orange Bowl class gave us some hope, but it's still not enough. The choice of the next head coach will be key. Treading water at 8-9 wins and lower-level bowl games is fine until then.
i agree a big time coach could elevate them to around wisconsin status...but as pathetic as paterno is now you cant forget that he used to be the reason to go to penn state...
where as at michigan and ohio state the schools recruit more than the coaches...penn state as a school isnt much of a recruiting tool and often is a negative as in terrell pryors case
None of these kids go to school for the education, if that's what you're getting at.
no im talking about being in the middle of a cow field and the fact that it doesnt have the history of an ohio state or michigan...football wise it might as well be called the university of paterno not penn state and paterno is a joke right now and will soon be gone completely
if youre sixteen or seventeen right now you were born in 1992 and dont know a thing about penn states best teams
There is still a significant income from the alumni backing and from having one of the largest capacity stadiums in the country. But again, you and I basically agree that if they don't go big with the next coach, it's game over for quite some time.
Al Golden boiiiiiiiii
im not saying thier stadium atmosphere isnt incredible or that they dont have a good football tradition im just saying their overall package doesnt come close to competing with a michigan or ohio state...its more a long the lines of a wisconsin and with a great coach could even surpass that...but it also could just as easily be below a wisky and with the purdues of the world which is where i think they are for the forseeable future
Schiano?
I would consider him an excellent hire right now, but if Rutgers fades back into obscurity, he will too.
Which isnt too far off, imo....
Sidenote - my Eagles and Rutgers ticket invoices came the same damn week. What the hell is that?
how much are the rutgers it can only be like 120 or so right?
On a mostly unrelated note, one of my co-workers just paid his Patriots season tickets invoice...
$169 per game per seat.
He is in row 5 on the 40 yard line, but still. His explanation is that they have no PSL's.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 19, 2008, 01:58:22 PM
no im talking about being in the middle of a cow field and the fact that it doesnt have the history of an ohio state or michigan...football wise it might as well be called the university of paterno not penn state and paterno is a joke right now and will soon be gone completely
if youre sixteen or seventeen right now you were born in 1992 and dont know a thing about penn states best teams
You may be right about Michigan but PSU's football history is definately comparible to OSUs. I agree that the next coach is the key, with the amount of money that is involved in the program it could easily get back to being a consistent top ten team. I think it is hilarious you compare them to Wisconsin a program that has been on the map for slightly over 15 years.
and penn states been off the map for the better part of 20 years...wisconsin has passed penn state as a program.....doesnt mean penn state cant catch them but thats exactly what they have to do because they are behind
and lol @ thinking ohio state is a better all time program than penn state
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 19, 2008, 09:05:30 PM
and lol @ thinking ohio state is a better all time program than penn state
???
Gene Wilder's Willy Wonka sez, "Strike that. Reverse it."
I didn't say they were a better program historically I said comparible, but whatever. Wisconsin hasn't been that great over the last 20 years. 15 yes and right now their program is only slightly better than PSUs. Last time I checked in the last 20 years Wisconsin has never had an undefeated season or been ranked #1 in the last 20 years.
I just don't see how PSU has been off the map for the better part of 20 years try 8. It is pointless to argue with you, you know everything.
penn state has had some really good years since their last championship...obviously 94 being the best but they have also been under .500 five times since then...four of them being in the last ten years...great programs are never under .500 much less that many times...hence they have fallen off the map since their last title 20 years ago
When the players from your last undefeated team are all retiring from the NFL, you know you've fallen from prominence a bit.
Anyway, Pat Devlin's going to be the shtein. farg that Pryor kid. He sucks. Yeah.
Quote from: FastFreddie on March 20, 2008, 08:47:19 AM
When the players from your last undefeated team are all retiring from the NFL, you know you've fallen from prominence a bit.
Anyway, Pat Devlin's going to be the shtein. farg that Pryor kid. He sucks. Yeah.
I don't think anyone would deny the fact they have fallen off, I just don't think it is as bad as some.
The Zach Mills years were rough. Not making a bowl 3 out of 4 years was brutal.
Quote from: FastFreddie on March 20, 2008, 10:38:24 AM
The Zach Mills years were rough. Not making a bowl 3 out of 4 years was brutal.
No doubt, I always felt kind of bad for Mills I thought given the right circumstances he could have been a pretty good QB. Unfortunately for him their offensive line was brutal and he took a pounding.
No. He was awful.
Paterno's contract situation is getting ugly, which is actually a good sign. it means the university is done letting him push them around. it might hurt recruiting for now to just let him finish out the year and walk away, but it would definitely help in the long run. they should just announce this as his last year and let him get the proper send off he deserves and get a new coach in place for 2009.
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/20080330_Still_no_deal_for_Penn_State_s_Paterno.html
I sure hope so. They need to bring someone in though from outside the program. It is time for some new blood up there.
If Graham Spanier is smart he'll try to work with Paterno and keep him involved with the football team in some capacity. Paterno has way to much support to just tell him they're not bringing him back.
I hope they go hard after Bill Cowher. People would forget about JoePa real fast.
Charges were dropped against Tyrell Sales. Go team.
http://www.gopsf.com/#game|gameDay&video=1175 (http://www.gopsf.com/#game%7CgameDay&video=1175)
(http://www.bofads.com/pictures/PSU.bmp)
That happens every game. The drum major also does a forward flip, and it's a big deal whether or not he lands on his feet.
What of it? Are you going to write another article about it for the metro that isn't even published online?
(http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/5755/joepayr1.jpg)
Hahaha. RRod should be next to Joe with a pile of cash, but still funny.
Quote from: FastFreddie on March 31, 2008, 09:11:11 PM
That happens every game. The drum major also does a forward flip, and it's a big deal whether or not he lands on his feet.
What of it? Are you going to write another article about it for the metro that isn't even published online?
its a silly looking picture and no, im not a slave/intern there anymore.
Are your writings for less illustrious publications now being ignored, then?
they always were. im an editor at my school paper now, even though im awful and know nothing about the grammersss.
Maybe you should change your life goals. Go to PSU for grad school, start as a low-level cheerleader, then maybe the mike man ("I say JoePA, you say TERNO... JoePA!"), then eventually you'll be saluting the drum major as the Nittany Lion.
It couldn't go much worse than your journalism exploits, right?
no i could always move to price georges county and work for the government.
You are not a gawd.
holla
http://www.collegian.psu.edu/archive/2008/04/02/basketball_player_to_be_charge.aspx (http://www.collegian.psu.edu/archive/2008/04/02/basketball_player_to_be_charge.aspx)
Pringle can't even get an assist at the library.
it's a sad, sad day for penn state...
http://live.psu.edu/story/29831?nw=5 (http://live.psu.edu/story/29831?nw=5)
Quote from: phattymatty on April 03, 2008, 11:51:57 AM
it's a sad, sad day for penn state...
http://live.psu.edu/story/29831?nw=5 (http://live.psu.edu/story/29831?nw=5)
Dude. That farging sucks.
i can not imagine how many of them i ate while i was there.
I was only on the meal plan Freshman year in East halls. So, a conservative estimate for 2 semesters of consumption would be 125-150.
ha
Quote
Penn State Police confirmed today that they have filed charges against Nittany Lions basketball player Stanley Pringle in an incident involving public masturbation that occurred last Thursday in Pattee Library.
Police said Pringle, the team's point guard, sat behind the victim in the stacks section of the library, attempted to start a conversation with the woman and began masturbating. Police have filed charges of public lewdness and disorderly conduct against him in connection to the incident, but Centre County District Judge Jonathan Grine, who is out of the office, was unable to sign the criminal complaint as of 2 p.m. today. Without the signed complaint, Pringle cannot be formally arrested.
Sports Information Director Brian Siegrist confirmed that charges were filed against Pringle yesterday, but denied Pringle's involvement in the masturbation incident. Siegrist said Pringle's status with the basketball team remains unchanged.
A similar incident occurred on March 21 on the second-floor landing of McElwain Hall's main stairwell between 8 and 8:15 p.m, when police said a man entered the building behind the woman and followed her to the stairwell landing where he began to masturbate. A similar description of the man was given in both incidents, police said. No charges have been filed for the McElwain Hall incident.
6 posts above that. SIX.
the minute the football season ends i stop reading this thread full time
People who post links without comment or quote should not be shocked when they aren't followed.
BTW, that was me in the library...I thought it was Hillary. :P
old news is good gnus you crazy canuck...lay off the moose milk its turning your mind into mush
Bell pulls knife on Still (http://www.collegian.psu.edu/archive/2008/04/08/police_bell_pulls_knife_in_com.aspx)
what a fun program
QuotePat Boland of ESPN Radio 1450 got the police report and this is some of what it said.
• Penn State police responded to an incident at Pollock Dining Hall at 6:28 p.m. Monday.
• Witnesses says former Penn State receiver ("former" according the report) approached current player Devon Still. The report said the two had words over a cell phone cover, and Bell eventually pulled a Good Cook steel knife from one of his sleeves. The knife had an eight inch blade and was 12 inches in length overall. It had a black handle.
• Assistant coaches Mike McQueary, Dick Anderson and Kermitt Buggs quickly intervened to restrain Bell. They took the knife he had been brandishing, and Buggs led Bell out of the room. On the way out, Bell shouted he had more knives and a gun "up here." This is all according to the police report.
• Police arrived and took Bell into custody. He was taken to jail and now faces multiple charges: terroristic threats, simple assault, recklessly endangering another person, disorderly conduct and harassment.
• As of this morning, Bell remaining in jail pending the posting of $50,000 bail.
More details to come.
Remember when I didn't think it was a big deal that they didn't get 5-star WR Vidal Hazleton, because they got 4-star WR Chris Bell in the same recruiting class?
Yeah, whoops on that one.
bell actually ended up being a five star guy
When did he become a "former" Penn State football player, though?
when he pulled a hunting knife on his teammate.
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 08, 2008, 11:35:13 AM
When did he become a "former" Penn State football player, though?
dinner time
Well, at least his removal from the team was swift.
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 08, 2008, 11:35:13 AM
When did he become a "former" Penn State football player, though?
Didn't he get in trouble or become acamdemically ineligible earlier this offseason?
he was one of the players involved in the beat down at that dance that took place a few months ago
It always seems to be their good young players getting in trouble, why can't it be the guys that no one has ever heard of.
cause white guys arent thugs
word
seriously though this is further proof as to why Joe Pa needs to hang it up. This wasn't an issue 10-15 years ago, the last 5 it has become the norm.
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on April 08, 2008, 05:06:51 PM
seriously though this is further proof as to why Joe Pa needs to hang it up.
add it to the list
the number one reason being because hes
80 YEARS OLD!!
Or because he's 80, he's costing them any good chance at getting good recruits who dont know if he'll be around anymore.
hahaha i cannot wait until temple beats you losers this year
Quote from: MDS on April 08, 2008, 06:23:50 PM
hahaha i cannot wait until temple beats you losers this year
Keep saying that... someday the Owls may indeed catch lightning in a bottle. And Jessica Alba will give me a lap dance. And Dio will give George W. Bush a big hug.
Quote from: MDS on April 08, 2008, 06:23:50 PM
hahaha i cannot wait until temple beats you losers this year
You just bought yourself another year of me in the college basketball thread.
internet message board thread threats are gully
Quote from: Cerevant on April 09, 2008, 05:38:21 AM
Quote from: MDS on April 08, 2008, 06:23:50 PM
hahaha i cannot wait until temple beats you losers this year
You just bought yourself another year of me in the college basketball thread.
:-D
Now that's a threat that will leave anyone trembling.
Quote from: Cerevant on April 09, 2008, 05:38:21 AM
Quote from: MDS on April 08, 2008, 06:23:50 PM
hahaha i cannot wait until temple beats you losers this year
You just bought yourself another year of me in the college basketball thread.
oh no no no please ill take it back anything but that plllllease
Alright, but you are on double-secret probation. Keep your nose clean, and maybe I'll take it back.
why are you threatening me. your coach is 80 years old.
Yeah, at least your coach retired while he was still on top. Oh, wait...
Maybe they'll just keep the talks on hold until he's dead (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3339527).
Sean Lee out for the year with a torn ACL
The hits just keep on coming. That is a huge blow to the defense.
He's a white linebacker anyway.
he was Munson fast though
Ivan Maisel piece on JoePa (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/columns/story?id=3346006) (amazingly the top story on ESPN.com right now)
all charges dropped against Austin Scott
http://wfmz.com/view/?id=254271&t=english_breaking_news
lol a school that hosts katt williams shows has better behaved athletes than a school 3 hours away from civilization.
http://www.mcall.com/media/acrobat/2008-04/38055211.pdf
here's a transcript of the phone call that took place when that lying twat tried to trap Austin Scott into admitting he raped her...wow what a kunt
he should sue the farg out of the police and prosectuers office
why is she laughing through the whole thing?
because she's lying
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 21, 2008, 12:20:35 PM
he should sue the farg out of the police and prosectuers office
Is that the same legal advice you gave to the Duke Lacrosse players?
Quote from: SunMo on April 21, 2008, 12:02:30 PM
http://www.mcall.com/media/acrobat/2008-04/38055211.pdf
here's a transcript of the phone call that took place when that lying twat tried to trap Austin Scott into admitting he raped her...wow what a french poodle
buyers remorse. She should be prosecuted
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 21, 2008, 12:32:11 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 21, 2008, 12:20:35 PM
he should sue the farg out of the police and prosectuers office
Is that the same legal advice you gave to the Duke Lacrosse players?
no because all lacrosse players should be in jail
Lacrosse players diddled IGY as a child. Now he's scarred.
there was no such thing as lacrosse when i was a child
Looks like Austin needs a new phone. Hello?
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 21, 2008, 12:46:06 PM
there was no such thing as lacrosse when i was a child
Long Island, Baltimore, Native Americans and Canada would all beg to differ old man.
small pox riddened umbros FTW
Is Austin Scott eligible for the draft?
Connor to the Panthers
King to the Rams
Morelli to the Cardinals
Scott to the Browns
eaking news on ESPN:
Penn State Defeats Pepperdine for the mens volleyball championship :D
QuoteMonroeville (Pa.) Gateway cornerback/wide receiver Corey Brown has been focusing on the same various schools for a while now Pittsburgh, West Virginia, North Carolina, Pittsburgh and Alabama. After this weekends NFL Draft things have changed. "I'm eliminating Penn State from my list," Brown said. "I just don't think they do a good job of getting corners into the league."
4-stars on Rivals
they also dont do a good job of eight belleing 3000 year old head coaches
http://www.centredaily.com/news/breaking_news/story/596888.html (http://www.centredaily.com/news/breaking_news/story/596888.html)
That dude's name is actually Guido? For farg's sake.
Maybe he should start drinking some water or something.
I'm at work. I'm sick and hopped up on cold meds. And I just finished my second work beer. I might be asleep by 6.
http://hsdelaware.scout.com/a.z 387&p=8&c=1&nid=3062573
He's a good kid and a great player...I hope he ends up choosing PSU though I'm not sure what his top choice is at the moment.
It helps that one of the WR's/Safety's in his division is also getting recruited by D1 schools, so he's not playing against ALL crap competition.
5-star OT from Scranton chooses PSU over Notre Dame (http://recruiting.scout.com/a.z%2073&p=8&c=1&nid=3032443)
I smell a 2nd place Big Ten finish!
ha, that dude looks like kevin from dunder mifflin.
he looks like Chris Farleys Brother
Not really. I've met Chris Farley's brother.
Comcast, Big Ten Network reach agreement
http://www.collegian.psu.edu/archive...ork_reach.aspx
The Big Ten Network will launch Aug. 15 in Pennsylvania on expanded basic cable until spring of 2009, when it is expected the BTN will shift to digital carriage in all markets except Philadelphia. The network will debut in Philadelphia on Aug. 15 on digital packages.
in philly metro area it will be on Channel 257 on 8/15
so it will be on the stupid sports package that 35 people have
Not necessarily. 265 is ESPN Classic and that's not in the sports package....
the nfl network is a joke....i cant even fathom how bad the big ten network is
They play all the classic football games in high speed so it looks like the SEC.
do they cgi black players into the game
Quote from: BigEd76 on June 19, 2008, 11:45:08 PM
Not necessarily. 265 is ESPN Classic and that's not in the sports package....
not in philadelphia region, there is no ESPN classic
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 20, 2008, 08:25:24 AM
do they cgi black players into the game
yes, but only for the games played before the desegregated the Big Ten back in 2005
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 20, 2008, 08:16:27 AM
the nfl network is a joke....i cant even fathom how bad the big ten network is
Game of the Week: Northwestern at Minnesota :D
so now penn state fans can watch that showdown with temple?
It's about time, right?
Quote from: BigEd76 on June 20, 2008, 12:27:54 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 20, 2008, 08:16:27 AM
the nfl network is a joke....i cant even fathom how bad the big ten network is
Womens Volleyball Game of the Week: Northwestern at Minnesota :D
Tall sexy National Champions.
http://www.bigtennetwork.com/schedule/
tomorrow:
5:00PM ET = The Big Ten's Greatest Games - Football: 2007 Alamo Bowl: Penn State vs. Texas A&M (HD)
8:00PM ET = The Big Ten's Greatest Games - Football: 1994 - Penn State at Illinois
2:00AM ET = The Big Ten's Greatest Games - Football: 2002 - Penn State at Wisconsin
JoePa is not going anywhere (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3503923)
QuotePaterno joked that he hasn't sought counsel from Purdue coach Joe Tiller, who will retire after the 2008 season, his 12th year with the Boilermakers.
"He knows what he wants to do," Paterno said. "He said he wants to fish. I said, 'Fish? For crying out loud!' You catch three and look at one and they all look the same. ... You think I'm going to go to some guy who sits on his rear and fishes for advice? Joe will do it his way, and I'll do it my way."
single game tickets went on sale this morning. all the good games were sold out beforehand but i did get a few to the home opener.
Quote"After drinking with friends to celebrate his 21st birthday, a Penn State University student from Salisbury Township was arrested this morning after he allegedly held a one-man football practice at the Nittany Lions facilities then tried to walk away with the Alamo Bowl Trophy."
Phil Taylor and Chris Baker kicked off the team
Um, yikes. Phil Taylor was the best DT on the team, no?
easily...he was beast
He was there best interior linemen, Evans is by far there best DL.
nice story on devlin in todays inky
http://www.philly.com/inquirer/sports/20080810_Devlin_ready_to_restore_Penn_State_image.html
I agree that it's a really good article, but I find it sad that these kind of 'look at this athlete who isn't a fargup and a criminal, isn't this a nice story?'-articles even seem to be necessary.
also its kind of hilarious that an as of now back up qb who might not even play for a year or two is going to restore penn states image
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 10, 2008, 08:54:00 PM
also its kind of hilarious that an as of now back up qb who might not even play for a year or two is going to restore penn states image
I was trying to come up with a humorous way to express this exact thing, but yeah, you're exactly right.
Rams/PSU news:
Justin King out for the season already (http://www.stlouisrams.com/article/68185/) (torn ligament in big toe)
Rams news: 100%
PSU news: 0%
ill taylor is going to baylor
where he will be a total stud
Quote from: SD_Eagle on June 19, 2008, 09:00:37 PM
Comcast, Big Ten Network reach agreement
http://www.collegian.psu.edu
The Big Ten Network will launch Aug. 15 in Pennsylvania on expanded basic cable until spring of 2009, when it is expected the BTN will shift to digital carriage in all markets except Philadelphia. The network will debut in Philadelphia on Aug. 15 on digital packages.
in philly metro area it will be on Channel 257 on 8/15
it showed up yesterday afternoon as expected
so everyone can see temple beat penn state?
Quote from: MDS on August 16, 2008, 02:07:21 PM
so everyone can see temple beat penn state?
You won't live that long, Ben-Hur.
PSU opens at #22 on the AP poll (same as the USA Today one)
Logan-El out at Towson
By Dave Carey
Examiner Staff Writer 8/19/08
TOWSON, MD. – Offensive lineman Antonio Logan-El appears to be taking his show on the road — again. The controversial player from Forestville High School in Prince George's County is no longer part of the football team, Towson coach Gordy Combs confirmed on Monday afternoon.
"He's made a personal decision he is not going to play football anymore and he is going to go to school here," Combs said.
It's amazing how even with all the technology and money in football, there are so many crapshoots in college recruiting and the NFL Draft.
ALE was supposed to be the next Shawn And... Well, maybe he is.
Clark gets the nod over Devlin (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3554220)
Browns cut Austin Scott
Quote from: BigEd76 on August 16, 2008, 01:51:07 PM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on June 19, 2008, 09:00:37 PM
Comcast, Big Ten Network reach agreement
http://www.collegian.psu.edu
The Big Ten Network will launch Aug. 15 in Pennsylvania on expanded basic cable until spring of 2009, when it is expected the BTN will shift to digital carriage in all markets except Philadelphia. The network will debut in Philadelphia on Aug. 15 on digital packages.
in philly metro area it will be on Channel 257 on 8/15
it showed up yesterday afternoon as expected
I have FIOS and have seen a bunch of press releases saying the BTN is available in the Philly area but I can't find it on my channel guide. Do you know if it's available now or will it just become available nearer to game time?
FIOS is Verizon, not Comcast - so the recent news does not apply.
In other news, we're number three (http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/education/highered/sfl-0728partyschools.list,0,1663041.htmlstory)!
Quote from: Cerevant on August 27, 2008, 09:45:51 AM
FIOS is Verizon, not Comcast - so the recent news does not apply.
no shtein
Well genius, the press releases are about Comcast getting the rights to BTN. Why did you think that automatically put it on FIOS?
Gee I don't know:
Quote from: SD_Eagle on August 27, 2008, 08:29:32 AM
I have FIOS and have seen a bunch of press releases saying the BTN is available in the Philly area but I can't find it on my channel guide. Do you know if it's available now or will it just become available nearer to game time?
If you go to the BTN site there's a guide that tells you what channel it's going to be on in your area, here's what came up for FIOS:
Quote
BIG TEN NETWORK IS COMING SOON!
Great news! You'll soon be able to tune into Big Ten Network through Verizon. Please come back later for updated launch dates and channel information specific to your area.
farg Verizon, I should have stuck with comcrap
not getting to see a couple of psu games you could easily watch at a bar is not a reason to switch to comcast
Quote from: MDS on August 27, 2008, 11:35:01 AM
not getting to see a couple of psu games you could easily watch at a bar is not a reason to switch to comcast
My bill was lower with them and I got other stations like CN8, versus in HD, and now BTN. Just seems like comcrap is the better choice if you're a sports fan.
comcast is pretty much the worst thing ever. the only reason i have them is because there is no other way to get csn in the ghettos on north philly.
Can't your buddy SunMo hook up a slingbox for you?
66-10
Devlin and Clark looked good against scrubs
Glad to see they covered the 38 pt. spread
4-star QB Tate Forcier chose Michigan over Penn State
thanks big guy
#19 in both polls (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/rankingsindex?seasonYear=2008&weekNumber=2&seasonType=2)
I guess it is a lot better to blow out the Coastal Carolina Chanticleers than to play a real team.
theres a ~1% chance Joe Pa knows they have a game on Saturday.
They do?
A real tough one with Oregon State in the middle of nowhere where everyone's lives revolve around a college football team and their dead head coach
haha, real tough one...they are 16.5 point favorites and oregon state just lost to stanford
temple/uconn?
temple has revenge on their side, so they only lose by 17
but they beat army. army.
unconfirmed but supposedly it has to do with weed....
Quote
For at least two hours Tuesday night into this morning, Penn State Police investigated a Nittany Apartments residence that, according to an online Penn State directory, is inhabited by multiple football players.
Penn State Police Sgt. Brian Bittner said police were investigating "an incident." He would not comment further.
Police entered apartment 5204 late last night for unknown reasons. According to the directory, defensive end Maurice Evans, cornerback A.J. Wallace and defensive tackle Abe Koroma live in apartment 5204.
It was not immediately clear if any other people live in the apartment.
At least four Penn State Police vehicles were at the scene -- a Special Response Unit, two cruisers and an SUV.
State College Police said Tuesday night they did not know anything about the incident.
Various people milled about the scene around 11 p.m., though the crowd had thinned to about five or six by 1 a.m. this morning.
Many people outside declined comment.
University spokesman Bill Mahon said he did not know anything about the incident when reached by phone late Tuesday night.
Neither Sports Information Director Jeff Nelson nor Football Communications and Branding Director Guido D'Elia could be immediately reached for comment late Tuesday night.
At one point, police took photos inside apartment 5204.
At 1 a.m., police were still inside the apartment. By1:15 a.m., the Special Response Unit had left.
Police would not say what time they initially entered the apartment.
At about 11:45 p.m. Tuesday, a woman taped notebook paper over apartment 5204's number. The curtains were also closed in apartment 5204.
Police were seen carrying a cardboard box with a bag or envelope inside. Police took the box inside apartment 5204.
At about 1:30 a.m. today, four police officers left the apartment, one carrying two paper bags and another carrying a cardboard box.
At least one member of Residence Life was inside the apartment. At about 1:30 a.m., he left with another man, the two of them carrying a speaker, a speaker stand and two duffel bags. They then re-entered the apartment and carried out two more bags and two hard cases.
The Residence Life official declined to comment.
Evans was named a preseason All-American for Penn State and started last week against Coastal Carolina. He recorded two tackles in that game.
Koroma -- another defensive starter -- also had two tackles, while Wallace recorded two tackles playing cornerback and also returned a kickoff for 35 yards last week.
How can you not love this team?
Quote from: MDS on September 02, 2008, 09:32:07 PM
theres a ~1% chance Joe Pa knows they have a game on Saturday.
While in contrast, Temple thinks they have a game Saturday, but it is really just a basketball scrimmage.
got this from another board...
QuoteKoroma and Evans had their lockers cleared out because they refused a drug test (they weren't even at the apartment when this all went down last night)
Wallace offered to be tested, and Quarless eventually consented to it. I'm sure their status is pending results of the drug test.
Maurice Evans might be the best player on the team, and Koroma was basically all that was left of a very thin group of DT's.
Yay.
not taking any blame from the players thru all these messes but it has definitely become a witch hunt up there now
from what i heard, the cops came at 8 because of loud music, cops smelled weed and asked to come in. they were told no. came back at 11 with a warrant and found some weed. now if you can't flush all your shtein and give someone your bowls, bongs, etc., in 3 hours, you deserve to get in trouble.
Quote from: phattymatty on September 04, 2008, 08:51:58 AM
from what i heard, the cops came at 8 because of loud music, cops smelled weed and asked to come in. they were told no. came back at 11 with a warrant and found some weed. now if you can't flush all your shtein and give someone your bowls, bongs, etc., in 3 hours, you deserve to get in trouble.
This might not have been mentioned before, but professional athletes are not always intelligent. I'd imagine it is worse if they are drunk and high.
according to PennLive.com there will be no action until the investigation is finished and that all players are still scheduled to play. Daryl Clark got another year of eligibility as well.
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on September 04, 2008, 12:13:08 PM
Daryl Clark got another year of eligibility as well.
Pat Devlin probably wishes he went to Miami by now.
Quote from: phattymatty on September 04, 2008, 08:51:58 AM
from what i heard, the cops came at 8 because of loud music, cops smelled weed and asked to come in. they were told no. came back at 11 with a warrant and found some weed. now if you can't flush all your shtein and give someone your bowls, bongs, etc., in 3 hours, you deserve to get in trouble.
they were probably too busy congratulating themselves on outsmarting the cops by saying "no" when asked if they could come in
Quote from: SunMo on September 04, 2008, 01:53:28 PM
Quote from: phattymatty on September 04, 2008, 08:51:58 AM
from what i heard, the cops came at 8 because of loud music, cops smelled weed and asked to come in. they were told no. came back at 11 with a warrant and found some weed. now if you can't flush all your shtein and give someone your bowls, bongs, etc., in 3 hours, you deserve to get in trouble.
they were probably too busy congratulating themselves on outsmarting the cops by saying "no" when asked if they could come in
That happened to me once in college. We were relieved that they went away but assumed they'd be back and we should be ready/gone.
Penn State defensive tackle Abe Koroma, defensive lineman Maurice Evans and tight end Andrew Quarless will not play Saturday against Oregon State, Joe Paterno said on the Nittany Lion Hotline tonight, adding cornerback Willie Harriott has been removed from the team.
Police said they found on Tuesday a small amount of marijuana at a Nittany Apartments residence, whose most current residents are Quarless, Evans, Koroma and cornerback A.J. Wallace, according to a search warrant. No charges have been filed in the incident. Police have said they are still trying to determine who had possession of the marijuana.
Asked if the three players are being held out because of the Tuesday's incident, Penn State sports information director Jeff Nelson replied, "I'm not aware of any other reason."
Wallace will play this weekend, Paterno said.
"Wallace was really not part of that situation," Paterno said, referencing the Tuesday incident.
Nelson said Harriott was removed for a "violation of team rules."
This game is a joke
Evan Royster has 6 TDs in a game and a half. He isn't really all that impressive, but that stat certainly is.
45-14 final and Paterno takes over the all-time wins lead from Bowden
Quote from: BigEd76 on September 06, 2008, 06:57:12 PM
45-14 final and Paterno takes over the all-time wins lead from Bowden
Tied again after Bowden's team rocks some heavily inferior opponent.
Joe's got Cuse and Temple up the next two weeks.
Are they even going to be able to field a defensive line this year? (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3574354)
26.5-point favorites at Syracuse
Colts cut Ed Johnson today after he was arrested for da weed.
Does he have any eligibility left? The Nitts "NeedLinemen!"
Syracuse isn't very good.
Did the three guys that were suspended play today?
No, they did not.
Josh Gaines and Ollie Ogbu are basically the only defensive linemen left. It's kind of a shame, because the team has the potential to be really good.
That said, OSU is clearly 2nd-tier at best, and no one else in the Big Ten is lighting it on fire... so there is still a BCS bowl possibility. But it would sure be easier with Koroma, Evans, Taylor, and Baker on that D-Line.
Any word on when they may come back? Jared Odrick isn't bad.
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on September 14, 2008, 07:54:20 AM
Any word on when they may come back? Jared Odrick isn't bad.
Paterno isn't sure. (http://www.philly.com/inquirer/sports/20080914_Penn_State_Notes__Paterno_noncommittal_on_suspended_players.html)
Odrick is OK, sure. They just have very little depth, and assuming Beanie Wells is back for OSU, that looks to be a difficult road game. Wisconsin, also, could try to pound it down our throats.
the big ten is a travesty
penn state sucks and they have no chance to be a good team
oh, i have taught you so well
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 14, 2008, 12:49:30 PM
the big ten is a travesty
penn state sucks and they have no chance to be a good team
So, do they have a chance to win the slow Big Ten?
sure why not
U! P! S!
only "misdemeanor" pot possession for Evans and Koroma (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3593775)
I guess Quarless will probably play this week, and Evans and Koroma will be back for the Big Ten schedule.
So I'm at the PSU pressbox and this stupid stadium is huge. And how could anyone go to college here and not kill themselves. Oh wait, you all covered that up by drinking for 4 straight years. Go team.
That was the weakest attempt at shtein talking in a long string of terrible attempts. State College has plenty of targets for talking trash and you missed all of them. Have fun watching the football clinic today.
I'd be impressed if Temple keeps it within 20.
And how exactly and a 4th place Big Ten team put any kind of clinic on, regardless of the opponent?
Just watch.
So I live right outside Northeast Philly but for some odd reason the BTN is showing Purdue/CMU. farging bullshtein.
Well with Chester Stewart this thing is gonna be 56-0. I hope DiMichele is okay, he's a good kid, doesn't deserve to see his college career end like this.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on September 20, 2008, 12:19:56 PM
So I live right outside Northeast Philly but for some odd reason the BTN is showing Purdue/CMU. farging bullshtein.
Looks like BTN sent Fios the wrong signal and they were working on fixing it. Did they ever switch?
As for the game, DiMichele was knocked out again (shocker) and Temple kept it 0-0 after 1 quarter. Victory.
All they're telling us at this is point is that he has a shoulder injury and will not return. I'm sure the always eager to talk Al Golden will have more info after game.
Wow - this is really getting farging ugly now. 45-3?
Yikes.
Quote from: Rome on September 20, 2008, 02:40:23 PM
Wow - this is really getting farging ugly now. 45-3?
Yikes.
They gave up a field goal to Temple?
Damn losers.
Ha @ Temple.
PSU has now beaten Temple 26 straight times.
DiMichele out a significant period of time, most likely the season.
Who in the hell is that?
Quote from: BigEd76 on September 20, 2008, 02:12:04 PM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on September 20, 2008, 12:19:56 PM
So I live right outside Northeast Philly but for some odd reason the BTN is showing Purdue/CMU. farging bullshtein.
Looks like BTN sent Fios the wrong signal and they were working on fixing it. Did they ever switch?
As for the game, DiMichele was knocked out again (shocker) and Temple kept it 0-0 after 1 quarter. Victory.
Nope, and I sent an email to the BTN and here's what they sent me back:
QuoteThank you for your email regarding Verizon FiOS and the Big Ten
Network. The Big Ten Network makes all games available to Verizon,
however, Verizon is unable to carry more than one game at a time
during weeks in which the network airs multiple games simultaneously.
Verizon may select which game it will offer and that particular game
will then be delivered to all Verizon customers nationwide (the game
Verizon chooses may not necessarily be the Big Ten Network's "main"
game). In this case, they selected the Purdue-Central Michigan game.
Please contact Verizon directly if you have further questions
regarding the game selection.
I also called FIOS - which by the way has worst customer support than Comcast - and they said they've been getting calls all afternoon about it but had no idea what was going on. So basically Verizon had their thumbs up their asses again.
still no word on when Evans and Koroma will return (http://myespn.go.com/blogs/bigten/0-2-154/Paterno-faces-big-decision-with-Evans--Koroma.html)
Quote from: rjs246 on September 20, 2008, 04:21:18 PM
Who in the hell is that?
Temple qb. He missed half of last year, too. He was originally recruited to PSU most likely as DB, but I think he wanted to also play baseball and they wouldn't let him.
You wanna ghey butt secks him
hes 1 of 2 players on the team i like. the rest of them are cocks.
Quote from: MDS on September 20, 2008, 10:34:47 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on September 20, 2008, 04:21:18 PM
Who in the hell is that?
Temple qb. He missed half of last year, too. He was originally recruited to PSU most likely as DB, but I think he wanted to also play baseball and they wouldn't let him.
So in other words he's no one and probably doesn't need to be mentioned on any message board anywhere. Thanks for confirming.
why so hateful rusty?
Todd!
Bobby Bowden lost last night (Thanks, Wake Forest!), so Joe has the lead by himself right now.
The Seminoles put up three points against the mighty Demon Deacons.
Bowden should be lined up against the closest tree and shot at this point. He's single-handedly destroying a once great program with his clueless arrogance.
Anyway - we now return you to your regularly scheduled Nittany Lion circle jerk...
If you say so...
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up to #12 in the polls
Quote from: MDS on September 20, 2008, 11:32:51 AM
I'd be impressed if Temple keeps it within 20.
And how exactly and a 4th place Big Ten team put any kind of clinic on, regardless of the opponent?
Its easy when the opponent is a 1AA team that would struggle to win a game in Division 2.
Quote from: BigEd76 on September 21, 2008, 08:41:35 PM
up to #12 in the polls
4th place wha?
Quote from: Cerevant on September 21, 2008, 11:03:51 PM
Quote from: MDS on September 20, 2008, 11:32:51 AM
I'd be impressed if Temple keeps it within 20.
And how exactly and a 4th place Big Ten team put any kind of clinic on, regardless of the opponent?
Its easy when the opponent is a 1AA team that would struggle to win a game in Division 2.
Quote from: BigEd76 on September 21, 2008, 08:41:35 PM
up to #12 in the polls
4th place wha?
idiot did you not see a redshirt freshman qb in there?
Are you saying Temple would have maybe covered the spread with DiMichele?
ummm yes. im guessing something like 31-10 would have been the final.
Shut up.
make me
Just stop talking.
Quote from: MDS on September 21, 2008, 11:07:46 PM
idiot did you not see a redshirt freshman qb in there?
So, what you are saying is that when he gets a couple of years under his belt, Temple will make the playoffs and might even give Deleware a run for their money?
ha, Delaware would destroy Temple as they get NFL caliber players who leave D1A for 1AA
Well, maybe they could win a game in the first round so that they could finish "almost fourth" just like the basketball team Todd is so proud of.
haha that joke was so funny that 300th time you told it
I'm still perfecting my skill at beating a dead horse. I'll never be as good as MDS.
Derrick Williams is having a hell of a game so far. So is the Illini O. Great catch by Benn. 14-14
21-14 lead, now Scirrotto picks off Juice in Illinois territory.
this is going quite nicely
Quote from: SD_Eagle on September 27, 2008, 08:55:04 PM
Derrick Williams is having a hell of a game so far. So is the Illini O. Great catch by Benn. 14-14
First guy in the Paterno era to score a TD via rush, reception and kick return.
PSU is now 6th in the AP poll.
and USA Today
holy shtein. Didnt think they'd be this high all year.
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on September 28, 2008, 05:43:11 PM
holy shtein. Didnt think they'd be this high all year.
Neither did Koroma or Evans
oh, zing
solid win.
Should have been a blowout
who was that dead guy in the pressbox?
Neil Armstrong
Quote from: SD_Eagle on October 04, 2008, 03:35:28 PM
Should have been a blowout
While you are right, I don't think the outcome of that game was ever in doubt. It was the first game I got to see, while it wasn't that impressive they were by far a better team. Next week will be a big test, this team has not played all that well on the road over the past few years.
Penn State rules.
they'll definitely be 3 when it comes out, i don't see how they can't with OU, LSU, And Missouri all losing. and holy shtein lsu got smoked. darryl clark for heisman.
I watched a replay of that game, I can't believe how well they played at Camp Randle. I am not sure if Wisconsin was flat because they just came off two heartbreaking losses or PSU is just that good. Either way impressive win.
Its also nice to see these WRs with a real QB. I like how Clark was so pissed after he threw that int. with the game well in hand.
This game started a nice flow for the weekend. The Phillies blew it.
holla.
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http://deadspin.com/5063035/hey-wait-a-minute-didnt-braylon-edwards-go-to-michigan (http://deadspin.com/5063035/hey-wait-a-minute-didnt-braylon-edwards-go-to-michigan)
traitor
Penn State rules.
at binge drinking
Quote from: phattymatty on October 14, 2008, 12:09:53 PM
holla.
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http://deadspin.com/5063035/hey-wait-a-minute-didnt-braylon-edwards-go-to-michigan (http://deadspin.com/5063035/hey-wait-a-minute-didnt-braylon-edwards-go-to-michigan)
I guess he's one of those guys that announces his high school or "school of hard knocks" during starting lineups.
Give Joe a new contract! (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/columns/story?columnist=wojciechowski_gene&id=3641055&sportCat=ncf)
amazing that you can come out flat against a team that has beat you down for the past 10 years, but that's what they managed to farging do...pathetic
they are gonna get waxed next week anyway
might as well lose this game
Evan Royster is good and shtein.
Glad I took Michigan with the points
lol, their defense is being mouth raped by a team that can't even throw
tee hee hee
In my entire life of watching sports I don't know that I've ever seen a team own another team as much as Michigan owns Penn state.
Michigan blew its wad, PSU is going to come back and work that ass.
They might come back but the #3 ranked team in the nation should be blowing out a team that lost to Toledo last week
Quote from: SD_Eagle on October 18, 2008, 05:54:51 PM
They might come back but the #3 ranked team in the nation should be blowing out a team that lost to Toledo last week
That was clue #1 that this game would be closer than it should be.
Damn, can Spielman be any more of a Michigan Schlurp in the 2nd Half like he was in the 1st?
antagonistic comment
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 18, 2008, 04:48:03 PM
they are gonna get waxed next week anyway
might as well lose this game
no chance they lose big next week.
There is definitely a chance they lose big next week, but the way they dominated in the second half of this game gives me hope. Maybe this scare will kick them in the ass a little.
I think they were looking ahead to next week. I expect them to come out hard next week and earn their ranking.
Penn State rules.
stop padding all the threads
I'm bored and can't drink, give me a break.
ok...just this one time
Thanks, friend.
QuoteThe first edition of the BCS standings were released Sunday and Texas is No. 1. Here's a quick look at the top 10.
1. Texas
2. Alabama
3. Penn State
4. Oklahoma
5. USC
6. Oklahoma State
7. Georgia
8. Texas Tech
9. Ohio State
10. Florida
I can't believe that Penn State held the #3 spot in the BCS. Is anyone they've played still ranked or even close?
their SOS is #82 out of 120 teams...and its only even that high cause they beat oregon st who beat usc
its reality check week for the lions when they go and get beaten by the only other good team in the entire conference
Your miserable attitude is super.
I put PSU's chance of winning at about 52.3%. It's going to be tough.
id agree were it at home
at osu it comes in around 15%
Shut up, you.
This is tough game for me to get a feel for, PSU looks really good then again they haven't played anyone. OSU has had one good game and that was last week. I guess it comes down to which OSU team shows up.
i think beanie is going to do to penn state for a whole game what lloyed did for one half on saturday...tressell saw the gashing and is going to three yards and a cloud of dust penn state to death...the only way to stop this is to score yourself...if penn state can get a couple early scores it might be a game...otherwise i see a boring game that ohio state wins in a final score that is closer than the play indicated...something like 17-6
Yes, because Penn State has had so much difficulty scoring this year.
If PSU loses, it will be bigger. 23-20, 28-24, etc. OSU will not win this game with less than 20 points.
me and you could score against coastal carolina wisconsin michigan or temple
score on the road against ohio st and youre in the national championship game...i just don think thats gonna happen...penn state aint usc
Who is lloyed? I think this game is going to be close, though PSU needs to avoid a slow start which has been a problem this season.
or minor or whoever the guy who gashed the farg outta them for a half was called
i have to imagine that OSU's line is as good if not better than Michigan's and Michigan's gave a big, slow quarterback a ton of room to run. Pryor could have a good game running the spread along with Wells
just hit me that penn state and the phils both are 8pm ish starts next saturday
I will be wildly intoxicated by roughly 9pm.
lightweight
Well, I plan to start drinking at 12:01.
I get to work this weekend. In Time Square. Friday night, Saturday and Sunday. 15 hour days. You're all jealous.
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 19, 2008, 05:48:44 PM
its reality check week for the lions when they go and get beaten by the only other good team in the entire conference
farg you, VIGY. farg you.
^^^ ;D
We are!!
luck-y
hate to say it, but this team is going to the national championship game.
Quote from: MDS on October 26, 2008, 02:20:47 AM
hate to say it, but this team is going to the national championship game.
I didn't know the National Championship Game was being played at the Citrus Bowl in Orlando. Awesome. I have tickets then.
if they can win in wisconsin and ohio st then i cant fathom them losing at iowa or at home.
no they are not even a 5th place team in the sec but they will still be there. have fun.
Quote from: MDS on October 26, 2008, 02:20:47 AM
hate to say it, but this team is going to the national championship game.
They're going. I'd love to see a Georgia/PSU matchup. The whole farging state of Hawaii will be on the Penn State band wagon for that.
I was hoping Arizona would beat USC tonight. 17-10, close but no go.
Quote from: BigEd76 on October 26, 2008, 02:09:30 AM
luck-y
How, exactly? It seems to me that they didn't turn the ball over once, didn't get penalized once, and generally outplayed the Buckeyes by roughly a TD. If they also got lucky, they would have won by more than 7.
Quote from: Don Ho on October 26, 2008, 03:31:16 AM
I'd love to see a Georgia/PSU matchup.
Georgia does not have many scenarios to make the national title game. Would you settle for Alabama/PSU?
Unfortunately I didn't get to see this game or Game 3, I got to sleep on a muddy floor and get my face bit off by mosquitos. Still it was probably worth it to know they finally beat OSU in Columbus for the first time since joining the Big 10. It is crazy to think that if they win 3 more games they have a legitimate shot at playing for the National Title. Iowa and MSU won't be gimmes though.
Did Andy Reid take over the Red Zone offense today?
they're gonna be lucky to survive this one
So much for the mistake-free team. They look like the Keystone Cops.
ill leave this one alone, no need to rub it in.
well that sucked. Clark throws a bad INT then the defense can't get off the field. They deserved to lose though.....
PSU prob won't drop a spot though. In fact they may even gain on TT if they lose.
HAHA
PSU Sucks?
well, at least i picked against them
Happy thoughts
(http://media.charlotteobserver.com/smedia/2008/10/29/22/595-APTOPIX_World_Series_Rays_Phillies_Baseball.sff.embedded.prod_affiliate.138.jpg)
Matty's ridiculous run had to end at some point.
I don't even think they beat MSU at the end of the season now.
well at least the nat. title game will be between an sec and big 12 team, as it should be.
If Alabama is undefeated and barely loses the SEC title to Florida, it would be awesome to see a rematch.
But at least PSU gets the Rose Bowl and a "share" of the Big Ten title if they win out. I didn't think this team would win against superior competition in the title game anyway.
Like I said, though... winning out is not a gimme.
What a coaching joke. Andy-farging-Reid quality.
Going for 1 when they were up 22 - 14?
No time outs after Iowa crosses the 50 with more than 1 minute left?
farging joke. The only reason I'm not calling for Joe's head is that it won't make a difference. He wasn't coaching tonight anyway.
Quote from: Cerevant on November 08, 2008, 07:21:08 PM
Going for 1 when they were up 22 - 14?
It was absolutely the right call. Iowa's offense hadn't exactly been a juggernaut, and the XP makes it a two-score game.
It's easy to say after they lost 24-23 that they should have gone for two, but it would have been stupid.
at least they finished the game with most of their timeouts. watching the last 45 seconds dwindle off the clock with 3 timeouts left was painfully reminiscent of an eagles game.
fell to #8 in the BCS, behind Utah
they're 34-point favorites vs Indiana this week
Winning out, and winning the Rose Bowl, would be a very successful season.
frauds
Penn State Rules.
Quote from: FastFreddie on November 09, 2008, 08:01:06 PM
Winning out, and winning the Rose Bowl, would be a very successful season.
Would you really want to be the sacrificial lamb to USC?
It would be better than being one to Toledo.
Oh, snap!
It was nice while it lasted. I agree with the not using using the timeouts, I was watching that in total disbelief. Not that it would have mattered though Clark was zesty as hell in that game. They had plenty of opportunities in that game but like the Eagles they just gave them away. A Rose Bowl berth would be nice.
I'll take it. Derrick Williams as the player of the game is a joke, considering his two key drops. But I guess his end-around was fresh in the minds of the guys picking. Plus, PSU really didn't have any one person step up. Still, I would have given it to Butler, seeing as he caught a TD and also broke the all-time PSU receptions record.
Anyway...
Fairies prancing in East Lansing
Oh, what a bunch of queers!
So, farg. YOU. M. S. U.
We're gonna kick your ass again this year.
Kiss the ring. (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/eticket/story?page=fiesta87)
QuoteRumor:
JoePa has requested an additional box for family members only for tomorrow's game. Rumor is that he held a 'coaches only' meeting in last day or 2, and many coaches came out 'teary-eyed'. Apparently, programs are being reprinted for tomorrows game.
Rumor: JoePa to announce retirement.
Anyone else hearing this?
Well, shtein.
I'll believe it when I see it
i hope you guys hire al golden
Quote from: SD_Eagle on November 21, 2008, 12:43:32 PM
I'll believe it when I see it
Ha, my one buddy said the exact same thing when I told him.
Hey, SunMo... which site did you get that from?
This doesn't mean much, except that it was only a couple of days ago... (http://blogs.usatoday.com/gameon/2008/11/paterno-fends-o.html)
from Flyersphans...they have a few guys on there who seem to know what's going on with the program
i have tears of joy
about friggin time. its cowher time.
I'm not sure I buy it, but if Spanier lets the AD hand the reins over to Bradley, I'm not sure what the point of running Paterno out of town would be.
It's Joe's call, and i think with the hip surgery looming, and spending all year up in teh box, he realizes its time.
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on November 21, 2008, 02:22:31 PM
It's Joe's call, and i think with the hip surgery looming, and spending all year up in teh box, he realizes its time.
im just glad he didnt take forever to recognize it
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 21, 2008, 02:29:50 PM
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on November 21, 2008, 02:22:31 PM
It's Joe's call, and i think with the hip surgery looming, and spending all year up in teh box, he realizes its time.
im just glad he didnt take forever to recognize it
yep. hopefully its true. Otherwise its gonna be like watching my grandfather fall apart on a national stage
The success rate for hip replacement on an 82-year-old is not so hot.
success rate for anything on an 82 year old isn't so hot...cept dying
Quote from: FastFreddie on November 21, 2008, 03:13:43 PM
The success rate for hip replacement on Dick Schapp is not so hot.
He was only 70.
Joe told the pep rally that he'll be back in 09
Ohio State kicked Michigan's ass as expected, so it'll be PSU or tOSU in the Rose Bowl...
bring on the roses
riot in pennsyltucky?
Why not? We rioted both losses and wins when I went there. Good times.
We rioted other teams' losses for god's sake.
all today did was make the iowa loss feel worse...congrats choking dogs
the hate coming from the right igy is unprecedented
its unprecedented because you have an irrational let me show everyone on the internet how much i hate penn state fixation
in other words im a realist and youre a messageboardist
haha
and penn state is in the rose bowl. you should be happy that a team that isnt all that good only had 1 slip up, and barely, this year. but no, youre not. youre complaining and putting them down because godforbid a team with an 88 year old head coach didnt win the national championship.
they had a great year, you should enjoy it...if thats possible.
Quote from: MDS on November 23, 2008, 12:13:11 AM
putting them down because godforbid a team with an 88 year old head coach didnt win the national championship.
and if you knew anything about the changing tides of a sports season and that the expectations that you have before the season starts are not necessarily the same as you have with two games left in the season you would understand why anyone who is happy with this penn state season is an idiot
the TT loss even excentuates the horribleness of the iowa loss...if youre a penn state and happy today then youre a blubbering farging idiot
Based on the loss at Iowa and how long they kept Indiana in the game, I am indeed pretty happy with heading to the Rose Bowl, likely against a team (Oregon State) that the Nitts have already creamed.
A national title would have been phenomenal, but winning a Rose Bowl is much better than losing a National Championship game. Yes, you have to get there to win, but you of all people probably would have bet on Florida, Alabama, Oklahoma, Texas, Utah, USC, Ohio State, or Temple to beat Penn State anyway, so don't tell me how to feel, assface.
The Rose Bowl is just fine with me, and you are the blubbery farging idiot. Idiot.
I have never seen Penn State play better than they did yesterday and against a pretty good MSU team as well. Just an ass kicking of epic proportions.
You are an idiot if you are not happy with this season. Even if they went undefeated what are the odds they actually win the National Title game? Probably not that good. If they win the Rose Bowl it is a tremendous season.
I'm trying to be happy about it, but it's so difficult seeing as IGY says I shouldn't be.
In other news, your adopted FSU team put the steel-toed boot to Maryland. Holy shtein. Ugly.
Yesterday was a pleasant television viewing experience. I ended up watching three football games plus the Flyers.
idiot fans like you guys is why penn state will always be mediocre
If idiot fans have anything to do with not winning championships, you're one of the best at it.
Unless you expected Penn State to go undefeated and win a NC this season - I didn't - then I don't see how you could be disappointed with a Big Ten Championship, Rose Bowl, and beating Ohio State in Ohio. And say what you want about Ohio State they've got some big time talent.
its ok havas, i still love you
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 23, 2008, 09:05:47 AM
idiot fans like you guys is why penn state will always be mediocre
There is absolutely no correlation, up until about 9 years ago if PSU was not in the hunt for a national title it was a disappointing season. Things have changed a little, I don't think that is realistic as long as Joe Pa is still running the show. This is a very good season for PSU, does it suck they lost to Iowa and Texas Tech lost yesterday, hell yes. But why sit here and get all pissy about it.
jesus christ no it wasnt it good season...it was good is you expected six wins in august but how can yous not understand how things change thruout the year...if you wanna go big picture and go from how you felt in the summer and what they would do back then...then fine they had an awesome year dood...but if you wanna look at it from reality and where they stood two weeks ago before the iowa game then its a big fat farging failure...and to see it any other way is to be a defeatist
Championship game berth = Complete Success
Rose Bowl berth = Utter Failure
NO MIDDLE GROUND, DEFEATISTS!
beat iowa to make national championship game = success
lose to iowa to miss national championship game = FAIL
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 23, 2008, 06:16:48 PM
beat iowa to make national championship game = success
lose to iowa to miss national championship game = shtein happens
play Kevin Kolb in the 2nd half = FAIL
they lost 1 game! farging cowards.
Maybe Schaap should have gone to Mount Nittany Medical Center (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3721766)
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 23, 2008, 05:30:11 PM
jesus christ no it wasnt it good season...it was good is you expected six wins in august but how can yous not understand how things change thruout the year...if you wanna go big picture and go from how you felt in the summer and what they would do back then...then fine they had an awesome year dood...but if you wanna look at it from reality and where they stood two weeks ago before the iowa game then its a big fat farging failure...and to see it any other way is to be a defeatist
I am lot of things bro, but a defeatist is not one them. Am I disappointed farg yeah, but to act like it was not a successful season is crazy. And the way the BCS is there is no guarantee that they would have made the title game even if they beat Iowa.
They would be #2 in the AP and Coach's polls right now, but probably #3 at best in the BCS.
unless something changes i believe temple opens up the season at penn state next year
Super.
Sept. 05 - Akron
Sept. 12 - Syracuse
Sept. 19 - Temple
Sept. 26 - Iowa
Oct. 03 - at Illinois
Oct. 10 - Eastern Illinois
Oct. 17 - Minnesota (homecoming)
Oct. 24 - at Michigan
Oct. 31 - at Northwestern
Nov. 07 - Ohio State
Nov. 14 - Indiana
Nov. 21 - at Michigan State
Toddfail.
haha
i assumed the season started the last week in august, and since temple plays nova sept 5 in their home opener and their only road ooc game is psu, i put two and two together.
And came up with 7.
pretty much
why would the temple beat writer know something like their schedule?
aint like i be goin public wit dis
Quote from: BigEd76 on November 29, 2008, 05:23:05 PM
Sept. 05 - Akron
Sept. 12 - Syracuse
Sept. 19 - Temple
Sept. 26 - Iowa
Oct. 03 - at Illinois
Oct. 10 - Eastern Illinois
Oct. 17 - Minnesota (homecoming)
Oct. 24 - at Michigan
Oct. 31 - at Northwestern
Nov. 07 - Ohio State
Nov. 14 - Indiana
Nov. 21 - at Michigan State
Temple is almost better than a bye week before Iowa.
Smells Like Penn State (https://masik.com/penn-state-university)
Even the mascot gets arrested (http://www.philly.com/philly/hp/news_update/20081201_ap_pennstatemascotarrestedonduicharge.html)
New mascot: Rusty in the Pooh suit
penn state basketball at its finest at 730 on espn.
a temple team that just got smoked by miami of ohio is going there on saturday. should be a fun trip to a 1/3 full arena.
penn state actually looked pretty good. they'll get murdered when they go up against some of the big ten teams with legit big men though. they have no one inside at all, but those dudes can shoot the ball.
Bring back Amaechi and Kline-Heard. Only one of them is gay.
Rose Bowl vs USC
adam dimichele thanks you for ruining temples season
PSU opens as a 10-point underdog
Looks like Devlin is transferring out
Funny that he couldn't even wait till after the Rose Bowl. I can't say I blame him for leaving, he should have been the starter from the get go, even though Clark's played well Devlin has much more talent.
i don't see how devlin could have had a better season than clark did this year.
I don't blame him. When Clark got the extra year of eligibility, it kind of farged Devlin.
That said, I would usually say that PSU will need to get a blue-chipper this off-season to replace Clark. But, Morelli was a blue-chipper, and Robinson and Clark were not. So, whatever.
Curtis Drake for Heisman! (http://rivals100.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=78792)
He's either going to Richmond which is good this season, or Delaware to hopefully go the Flacco route
This guy looks pretty damn good too (http://rivals100.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?pr_key=54476&Sport=1)
GET TAJH BOYD
i dont want a guy whos already bailed on two programs....if he was that good he would have won a job by now....good riddance quitter
Plus, he's white.
According to ESPN Joe Pa signed a three year contract extension.
PSU gets 4-star QB Kevin Newsome (http://rivals100.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?sport=1&pr_key=50973)
Lifetime contract. (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3774049)
the only way that contract becomes worth it is if he actually dies on the field and thats where we are headed
Nah...they'll be carting him to the sideline 3 years after he's dead.
hes still alive?
Quote from: BigEd76 on December 16, 2008, 06:24:46 PM
PSU gets 4-star QB Kevin Newsome (http://rivals100.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?sport=1&pr_key=50973)
Nice. F U Tajh Boyd! I love Kevin Newsome!
Also, shut up all of you. Joe deserves to die on the field during a game.
In your face, haters! (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=3784475)
Did you really just post a link to a womens volleyball story?
Sweet Jesus.
world f'ing champions
Quote from: Rome on December 21, 2008, 08:06:32 AM
Did you really just post a link to a womens volleyball story?
Sweet Jesus.
ESPN.com had it on the FRONT page. For serious.
Rose is a f'ing god. A few years back PSU swept the US Olympic Team.
Devlin chose UD, huge pickup for Delaware. Flacco pt 2
Still better than the U.
Let's hope Dmac pulls a Clark on Sunday!
Farg Yeah PSU!!
I hate Brent stinkin homer!
Royster currently out with a knee injury. They're trying to fit him for a knee brace.
they should definitely stick with that zone, it's working wonders
Well that should just about do it. :-X
I swear to God Brent is as or more annoying then Joe Buck. :boom mother farger
And play some farging defense geesh, stop playing 8 fargin yards off the ball.
PSU had to play a perfect game just to have a shot and so far they've just made too many stupid mistakes. The coaches are calling a zesty offensive and defensive game too.
obviously everyone saw this coming but haha anyway
another year, another awesome job by the BigTen during bowl season
Pac-10 about to go undefeated
taylor mays > _____________
jordan norwood's face
"Dirty" Sanchez is one hell of a player. He looked like a man among boys yesterday.
Quote from: stalker on January 02, 2009, 12:48:59 PM
"Dirty" Sanchez is one hell of a player. He looked like a man among boys yesterday.
In all fairness, his receivers usually had about 5-10 yards of separation.
PSU got absolutely massacred. The score is very misleading.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 02, 2009, 06:30:31 AM
taylor mays > _____________
ALL. DROOL. GET.
USC was very obviously the better team but the Penn State offensive play calling was absolutely atrocious. Gah.
Offense schmoffense. The PSU defense looked like the pee-wee league against the USC offense.
I dont even think Sanchez is that good, he lofted 80% of his passes, its just that his WR's were there every time since they are Men among Boys.
rjs is right tho...they ran like three times on 3rd and 2-4 in the first half after having run on first and second down...the play calling was horrendously conservative as tho they were playing iowa in a snowstorm rather than a team you have to pull out a miracle to outscore
At one point I think they had three straight three and outs and on all three of them they failed to convert on 3rd and 3 or shorter. That's Andy-Reid-bad.
its not even that they failed to convert but in those three 3 and outs there were nine runs...it was like anti andy reid bad
Quote from: FastFreddie on January 02, 2009, 01:13:41 PM
Quote from: stalker on January 02, 2009, 12:48:59 PM
"Dirty" Sanchez is one hell of a player. He looked like a man among boys yesterday.
In all fairness, his receivers usually had about 5-10 yards of separation.
PSU got absolutely massacred. The score is very misleading.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 02, 2009, 06:30:31 AM
taylor mays > _____________
ALL. DROOL. GET.
I just wanted the opportunity to use Dirty Sanchez in a football post.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 02, 2009, 02:13:35 PM
its not even that they failed to convert but in those three 3 and outs there were nine runs...it was like anti andy reid bad
My favorite was the delayed handoff on third and 10-inches. Even the braindead announcers were wondering aloud why they didn't just call a sneak.
Thankfully, I think Galen Hall is retiring. Maybe Joe will start calling the plays again. That could be fun.
he would tell a delightful anecdote before each call, it would be cozy
Yeah, the delay of game penalties would totally be worth it.
Remember the old Paterno offense?
1st down: Tailback draw - 2 yards
2nd down: FB off-tackle - 1 yard
3rd down: Incomplete pass
rashard casey naked bootleg, 2 yards
thats hot
Quote from: SunMo on January 02, 2009, 03:16:45 PM
rashard casey naked bootleg, 2 yards
Wally Richardson pass into triple coverage, -47 yards
matt seneca down 34-7 garbage time handoff to omar easy no gain
haha
JoePa's statue vandalized, glasses stolen (http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/story/9045454/Vandals-swipe-glasses-off-JoePa-statue?MSNHPHCP>1=39002)
Maybin and Evans are leaving for the draft, and LJ Sr. was offered the defensive coordinator position at Illinois
Evans is desperate. He was much better in 2007 than 2008.
Maybin will be missed and will be mediocre in the NFL unless used as a rusher in the 3-4.
if chris gocong can play linebacker in the 4-3 arron maybin certainly can
Black don't crack!
What the hell is this? (http://bwi.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=74088)
i love his position
looks like LJ Sr. is staying
Good. He's the top recruiter and my top choice at this point to take over at least the defense and maybe HC when Joe dies.
4-star QB Paul Jones commits to PSU for 2010 (http://pennstate.scout.com/2/831055.html)
Good. Blow Kevin Newsome's red shirt. Red Shirt Jones. Then they're two years apart.
NO MORE WHITE QUARTERBACKS
so these guys might actually be a team. no size but those fargers are fast and can layup like a mufu. down by like 15 with 6-7 min. left, came back to win. good game.
They just beat MSU in East Lansing.
Fairies prancing in East Lansing,
Oh, what a bunch of queers!
So, farg. you. M. S. U.,
We're gonna kick your ass again next year!
ESPN has penn st. as the last team into the tourney right now.
you mean st joe loonardi does
same thing. he is the god of college hoops.
read in the wash post on the train this morning jelani jenkins to florida
http://footballrecruiting.rivals.com/commitlist.asp?SID=880&Year=2009&School=61
Ranked 28th in the country. Thanks Joe
You can only do so well until you start paying the players.
that site has a pretty comprehensive article about the class of 05, and where everyone from the rivals top 100 is now at. pretty cool read.
and i forget that derrick williams was their #1 back then.
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on February 04, 2009, 12:46:56 PM
Ranked 28th in the country. Thanks Joe
i didnt look at that particular list closely but i think 28th is not accurate unless they had some de committs that i dont know about because they were hovering in and around the top when all the verbals were counted as committs and that didnt even count justin brown whos is a top ten wr down to them and rutgers...havent heard if he has announced yet...anyone else hear?
http://pennstate.scout.com/3/FOSFlashNews.html (http://pennstate.scout.com/3/FOSFlashNews.html)
This is LOI update board. No Justin Brown yet.
It automatically refreshes by the way.
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 04, 2009, 01:01:46 PM
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on February 04, 2009, 12:46:56 PM
Ranked 28th in the country. Thanks Joe
i didnt look at that particular list closely but i think 28th is not accurate unless they had some de committs that i dont know about because they were hovering in and around the top when all the verbals were counted as committs and that didnt even count justin brown whos is a top ten wr down to them and rutgers...havent heard if he has announced yet...anyone else hear?
I don't see a Justin Brown on either PSU's or Rutgers' list.
hes big enough where he called presser i just dont know what time its at
Rivals.com has him at 4 stars, but only #30 overall at the WR position.
apparently its 2:30 and "multiple sources" say he will announce for rutgers
Good for them.
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 04, 2009, 01:38:35 PM
apparently its 2:30 and "multiple sources" say he will announce for rutgers
Quote2009-02-04 14:37:41 ANNOUNCEMENT: Brown to PENN STATE
poor rutgers...they have taken a beating with late de-commits this year and now this
was looking at a bunch of the teams and usc signed four of the top 6 safeties
also i love that ups signed a guy named curtis from philadelphia ny and a guy named curtis from philadelphia pa
Brown went to highschool with Munson. Apparently, practicing against Munson everyday made him the player he is today
Munson was the Brian Piccolo to his Gale Sayers. Let's hope the trend continues.
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on February 04, 2009, 03:53:11 PM
Brown went to highschool with Munson. Apparently, practicing against Munson everyday made him the player he is today
Indeed he did.
Nicest kid in the world too, pretty humble guy. And one hell of a WR.
Our starting WR my senior year was about 6'2 and a junior, very fast, pretty good hands, and we made it to the championship game...Justin was a freshman...and after the freshman season ended, he came up and started pushing for play time immediately, got a good amount of snaps during the playoff games and such. I went back to watch some games after I graduated, including the championship game the next year....he's just a freak. Caught a 30 yard TD pass in the corner of the endzone in the championship game in pouring rain and strong winds. Our offense was very very VERY run heavy (We had the state's leading rusher my soph-senior seasons, if I remember correctly), and yet he still drew all the attention he did. So good for him.
I am a small bit suprised he chose PSU over Rutgers, if only because he was pretty good friends with the Treml twins who chose to go to Rutgers. In Delaware football talk that no one will really care about, The Treml twins graduated from the same high school as a kid who got a scholarship at Syracuse as a RB....Darrell Smith. Dude was huge. Ran me the farg over in our playoff game against them.
That makes 3 PSU players from Delaware now....I don't follow PSU that closely, FF, but do you know if Sczcerba is going to get any PT at tight end this year? I know he's been playing special teams, don't know what the TE situation is up there. I know Devon Still has been injury prone (Torn ACL and broken ankle in back to back seasons), but apparently has impressed the coaches enough to compete for some play time this year. Dude's farging huge, 6'5 300+.
JoePa has a habit of changing his rotation and changing guys' positions unexpectedly. However it might appear Sczerba (sp?) would fit into the mix, it could easily change between now and April (Blue/White game), and April and August.
Eric Lattimore is from Middletown, i havent seen him line up but from reading the team is pretty high on him.
Brown was apparently a pretty good DB so you never know if Joe is gonna pull a Justin King
hes not...they needed wr's badly in this class
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on February 04, 2009, 07:52:02 PM
Eric Lattimore is from Middletown, i havent seen him line up but from reading the team is pretty high on him.
Brown was apparently a pretty good DB so you never know if Joe is gonna pull a Justin King
Oh yeah I completely forgot about Lattimore. I hadn't really heard anything about him since he graduated. What posistion is he playing at PSU?
And yeah Brown did a pretty nice job at safety, but PSU just graduated their top 3 WR's...I don't think they plan on switching him anytime soon.
I just read they still have two senior TE's, so I don't know how much Szczerba's going to play TE....But at 6'6, you figure he's gotta get in there some time.
DE last i saw. He's a freak size wise, just needs to get on the field to show what he can do.
Yeah, Middletown breeds em big down there. The school itself is (was) the biggest in the state. My freshman year our team was like 45 kids deep...they rolled up to the freshman game with like 80+ kids. We were the biggest D2 school in the state too...
Concord's gettin moved up to D1 this year, and they just graduated Brown and the only lineman they had with size. They're fargkkkkked.
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http://delawareonline.com/article/20090205/SPORTS07/902050348/-1/frontpage2
QuotePat Devlin: UD hopes Penn State's loss is a huge gain
By KEVIN TRESOLINI
The News Journal
NEWARK -- Pat Devlin just wanted to play. At Penn State, that might not have happened for another year.
That, Devlin felt, was too late.
At the University of Delaware, it should happen immediately -- much to the benefit, he hopes, of the Blue Hens.
In some of his first public comments since his transfer, known since December but finally announced by Delaware on Wednesday, Devlin said he wasn't willing to bide his time at Penn State anymore.
As a sophomore last season, the 6-foot-4, 222-pound Devlin backed up Daryll Clark, a junior. Devlin completed 25 of 47 passes (53.2 percent) for 459 yards and four touchdowns with no interceptions. Most notably, he spearheaded a 13-6 win at Ohio State Oct. 25 in relief of the injured Clark that ultimately clinched Penn State's spot in the Rose Bowl.
With the same situation looming in 2009, Devlin sought a better opportunity and looked first -- and only -- at Delaware, an hour from his Downingtown, Pa., home and with a track record as a proving ground frustrated I-A quarterbacks.
"It got to a point where I haven't played in three years," Devlin said Wednesday. "And maybe just playing one year, you might have to knock the rust off the first half of the year playing.
"I wanted to go to a place where I felt I'd be put in a better situation."
He'll have two years of eligibility beginning this fall at Delaware, which didn't get the polished quarterback play it was used to from junior Robby Schoenhoft, an Ohio State transfer, nor redshirt freshman Lou Ritacco last fall. That was just one of the problems that befell the Blue Hens in a 4-8 season, the losingest in school history. Neither Schoenhoft nor Ritacco is returning.
Since K.C. Keeler became UD coach in 2002, he had Andy Hall (Georgia Tech), Sonny Riccio (Missouri) and Joe Flacco (Pittsburgh) spend two years as the starting quarterback after transferring.
Hall sparked Delaware to the 2003 NCAA Division I-AA title and was drafted by the Eagles. Flacco's play keyed UD's run to the 2007 title game, which it lost to Appalachian State. He was a first-round draft pick and rookie sensation as a starter with the Ravens.
"Pat is probably the most proven quarterback we've brought in in terms of, he's had playing time," Keeler said. "Obviously a great pedigree in terms of his high school program, great recruiting base in terms of who recruited him and he actually did play in Big Ten ballgames. So we feel very fortunate."
At Downingtown East High, Devlin set a Pennsylvania high school record by throwing for 8,162 career yards. He committed to Miami (Fla.) before reconsidering after coaching staff changes and signed with Penn State.
Devlin informed Penn State of his decision to transfer before the Rose Bowl and immediately left the team. Knowing Delaware's football tradition and quarterback history, it was an easy first place to look. But it was the idyllic setting and UD's academic prowess that helped convince him to look no further, said Devlin, a finance major.
"The mix of academics and athletics is very good," said Devlin, whose visit included a close look at UD's Excelon Trading Center. "I met Dr. [Robert] Schweitzer [professor in business and economics] and it just blew me away learning about the banks in the state and the opportunities in the area."
The opportunity in football attracted him here in the first place though, and Flacco's success, Devlin said, "was inspiring more than anything else." He could see the good that came from Flacco's drop down to I-AA and felt he could benefit, too.
"The thing you understand about Pat is, you're getting a leader. You're getting a guy who wants to be challenged. You're getting a guy who ... he's born to do this," Keeler said.
Devlin has worked some with Delaware receivers, who like what they see.
"My initial impression was, he has a good arm," Mark Duncan said. "He has such a smooth release, it looks like he's throwing the ball effortlessly. But when you catch it, it gets there fast. He's very accurate."
Spring practice begins March 20.
"I can't wait," Devlin said. "I'm so excited to throw the ball around a little."
get andy hall.
another good win. if they can take one of two against illinois, i think they're in the tourney.
i'm think i'm one of the few people in the world who like the big ten network. penn state had a solid win tonight. ugly as hell, they only scored 38 and still won by 5. set the record for least total points in assembly hall by almost 15.
they'll have over 20 wins and will be between 2-5 in the big ten. they're in.
its possible it could come down to psu, temple and a handful of other teams and temple did beat psu in state college.
i would put them in but theyre lookin good now
the big ten should be disbanded and distribute the few good atletes in it to other bcs teams and tell the rest of the losers to find real hobbies...god their sports is just atrocious
Quote from: MDS on February 18, 2009, 11:02:49 PM
its possible it could come down to psu, temple and a handful of other teams and temple did beat psu in state college.
i would put them in but theyre lookin good now
If you write a blog comparing the chances of PSU and Temple, I will click on it 10 times.
talor battle is actually really good, and would start on most teams in the country.
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 19, 2009, 06:12:09 AM
the big ten should be disbanded and distribute the few good atletes in it to other bcs teams and tell the rest of the losers to find real hobbies...god their sports is just atrocious
this
QuoteScott Van Pelt had this to say about Penn State's 38-33 win over Illinois on Wednesday. "Watching Big Ten basketball is like watching fat people have sex."
illinois didn't even attempt a foul shot the other night.
Fat people having sex is comedic genius.
sick game tonight.
talor battle hits a basket with .3 left to win.
psu is fun to watch this year.
I will get such a rager when they knock UNC out of the tourney again.
i'm not gonna get all stupid and say they have a chance of going really far, but if they get on a good shooting streak they could win a few games.
It just takes one fluke game to get farther than they should.
if they make the tourney they go out in the first game they dont play a big ten team...ie round one
i dont follow them since the big ten is unwatchable but do they have a really good non conference win on their entire schedule
farg yeah they beat bloomsburg and william and mary. i guess georgia teach and penn would be their only other two.
also, you haven't watched them play a game but you are sure they can't win a game. nice call.
penn is having their worst year in a long time they are like 7th in the ivy
gt is 2-13 in conference...they are horrible
ive seen them play a couple times...and ive seen the big ten quite a bit before i boycotted it after the last ill psu game...seen enough to know that it is just a horrible horrible league...penn state doesnt have five conference wins in the big east or acc...hell the big ten's rpi is barely better than the atlantic ten (which is down this year) and the mvc
yeah i was joking, they have no non-conf. wins.
i actually had forgotten they even played gt...was that straight up or part of some tournament
it was that big ten-acc challenge early in the year.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 06, 2009, 09:46:05 AM
penn is having their worst year in a long time they are like 7th in the ivy
gt is 2-13 in conference...they are horrible
ive seen them play a couple times...and ive seen the big ten quite a bit before i boycotted it after the last ill psu game...seen enough to know that it is just a horrible horrible league...penn state doesnt have five conference wins in the big east or acc...hell the big ten's rpi is barely better than the atlantic ten (which is down this year) and the mvc
Actually the Big Ten's conference RPI is second behind only the ACC.
http://realtimerpi.com/rpi_conf_Men.html
I still think the league is crap for the most part, but it is the third best conference in terms of quality of teams behind the ACC and Big East (though that may be an indictment about how down the SEC/Pac Ten are).
the big ten is like womens basketball with slightly more dunking
slightly
i've seen at least a dozen penn state games and saw maybe two dunks total. and one was last night from a white guy and it was called off because the ball was on the rim.
2nd best conference, no doubt.
Go Temple?
Quote from: MDS on March 06, 2009, 12:13:01 PM
2nd best conference, no doubt.
yeah they are probably the 5th best and that might be generous
All the talent seems to be focused within the Big East and ACC this year.
The Big 10 is probably fourth, if I had to guess. I think the top of the Big XII, OK/KU/Mizzou is better than the top of the Big Ten, so I'd give them the slight edge, but the Pac10 and SEC are way down this year. The Big Ten (and I can't believe I'm defending this conference) is probably better than both of those conferences right now.
I actually think the MWC is pretty good this year. BYU/Utah/UNLV are all pretty good teams.
IGY, you doing the tournament squares thing this year?
Quote from: rjs246 on March 06, 2009, 12:19:26 PM
Go Temple?
everyones pumped for the nit round here
Quote from: rjs246 on March 06, 2009, 12:37:53 PM
IGY, you doing the tournament squares thing this year?
my man is....i emailed it out to everyone in my address book...apparently youre not in there...email me (or matty i know he got it) and ill send it off to you and you can get in directly thru my man
Word. Email sent.
what do i have to do to be in your address book? suck you off even more?
It looks like JoePa is going to cruise to the finish line for career victories.
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3958292 (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3958292)
this blows. i was picked to write the penn state preview for deadspin this week.
oh well, they probably wouldn't have won any games anyway.
haha farg you serves you right for playing in a Hoyda ass league and playing a gay as non conf sked
We're #71!!
Battle rules.
that was a fun game to watch. my girl is a mason alum so it was especially fun for me.
Did she rape you after the game in retribution? Because that would not have been very nice of her.
It was his birthday, right? She better have raped him with her mouth.
(http://blog.pennlive.com/bobflounders/2009/03/medium_maybin_before_after.jpg)
roids?
it aint pasta and chicken
Other clients (http://www.powertrainsports.com/index.php?page=proathnfl.php):
Mark Simoneau (http://www.powertrainsports.com/index.php?page=psimoneau.php) (link included due to hilarious before pic)
L.J. Smith
Sheldon Brown
Stewart Bradley
Brent Celek
Kevin Curtis
Todd Herremans
Winston Justice
Wow, the dude that is the head of that is from my alma mater. I never knew that place was even out there. I knew guys that trained with them, I just didn't realize it was here in my hometown. From my experience those dudes are complete tools.
Rhode Island never even saw it coming! Can you smell the NIT championship?
Beat Florida tonight and they go to MSG
I don't believe that I can contain my excitement. I think they play Florida tomorrow, though.
Held on late and knocked off the Gators. Next up at MSG: tomorrow's Kentucky/Notre Dame winner
Feel the excitement?
PSU/ND on Tuesday night - NIT Final Four
farg the Irish.
up 31-18 at halftime. winner gets Baylor for the title...
Baylor gonna feel the pain.
Competing for the title of the 66th best team in the country. Hot.
Meh, mid-majors with auto bids to the tourney screw that up. Let's say it's more like 57th.
probably closer to 77th actually
there's no way this team couldn't have won a game or two in the real tourney. they've really gotten better over the last month or so. but i guess i'd rather have them win the entire NIT over winning one or two games in the real one.
I would have rather have seen them make the Sweet 16 than win the NIT, but I would have rather seen them lose in the first round like Temple than lose the NIT final.
So, the game against Baylor is kind of a big deal.
NIT CHAMPS, BITCHES. We're #66!
penn state bagged taran buie top 100 guy and half bro of taylor battle
Nice get, for sure. If the boosters continue to support the program, better times may be ahead. It's not like becoming a top team in the Big Ten is really far from where they are now.
they will never be a top team in the conf...only reason they were even as good as they were this year is because the conference was a tragedy and specifically indiana is so down now...but tom creen has been recruting ridiculous and they will soon bump penn state back..wisky also had a down year...purdue and michigan should always be better...obviously michigan state...
best they can hope for is to run middle of the pack and make another nit run...but really their goal tho should be to not completely suck in the conf.
Shut up your face hole. This year, NIT. Next year, Big Ten.
yeah no chance they ever become a top big ten team. just because of some things that i feel.
and if it's a tragedy to get 7 teams into the tournament, most conferences would kill to be as bad as the big ten this year.
i wonder if they rioted in state college last night. if not i'm disappointed.
It's all a bunch of hippie crap these days. Stupid hippies.
I don't know or care about college wrestling but PSU got one of the best coaches in the country from Iowa State? (Cael Sanderson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cael_Sanderson), 2004 Olympic champ)
And... he's a Mormon!
I heard Navarro Bowman admitted to his probo's that he smoked some chron? And that he might be kicked off the team
Wait. Can you repeat the part where you said the thing? I didn't catch any of that.
penn state just bagged a stud wr out of baltimore...got offered by florida and georgia....went to the same hs as bryant johnson
The kids from Maryland have been loving PSU. Larry Johnson has been recruiting like a fiend down there.
The original Curt Warner elected to the college football Hall of Fame.
is there another curt warner out there?
Shut up you.
"black" has fewer letters than "original," but rjs was afraid of offending people
curt warner would go to usc or texas because he wants to win a national championship, not beat up on oafy white people then get killed in the rose bowl
BCS Coordinator Says Bowl System Would Hurt College Football (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4121294)
QuoteJohn Swofford, the coordinator of the BCS, rejected the idea of switching to a playoff, arguing it would threaten the existence of celebrated bowl games.
lololol. why even bother asking someone affiliated with the bcs if they should switch to a playoff system? like he's going to say that his system sucks and needs to be replaced.
I have a hard time believing that that made you laughoutloudoutloudoutloud.
i don't, he's as dumb as rocks
im easily amused.
but seriously though, what's the dude supposed to say? its like asking the pope if he really believes in jesus.
then why did you post it
Quote from: Sgt PSN on May 01, 2009, 04:14:45 PM
BCS Coordinator Says Bowl System Would Hurt College Football (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4121294)
?
Quote from: SunMo on May 01, 2009, 04:19:56 PM
i don't, he's as dumb as rocks
nm
PSU just landed another 4 star recruit, RB Silas Redd from CT.
Name test: Pass.
(http://www.hbo.com/deadwood/img/castandcrew/actors/tituswelliver.jpg)
another recruit (3 stars but the 9th-best OG in the country): Luke Graham (http://pennstate.scout.com/a.z%20157&p=8&c=1&nid=4095827)
Quote from: FastFreddie on May 04, 2009, 11:08:56 AM
Name test: Pass.
look test?
(http://vmedia.rivals.com/IMAGES/PROSPECT/PHOTO/SILASREDD7_24150.JPG)
FF, here's your boy Justin Brown (#18) from the NJ vs. Northeast All star game.
(http://photos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs083.snc1/4566_1078434356339_1090650054_30190419_6159498_n.jpg)
PSU has landed two more solid recruits. Robert Bolden QB from Michigan and Alex Kenney WR from State College. Rivals has them both listed as 4 star recruits.
got this from somewhere else so i cant vouch for the accuracy but this is a list of major college teams penn st hasnt played in the last 20 years.....teams with an asterik they have never played
Pac 10
Washington
Washington State
California
UCLA
Arizona State
Big 12
Oklahoma
Baylor
Oklahoma State*
Kansas
Kansas State
Colorado
Missouri
Iowa State*
SEC
Arkansas*
Georgia
LSU
Ole Miss*
Miss State*
South Carolina
Vanderbuilt
ACC
Clemson
Duke*
North Carolina
North Carolina St.
Virginia Tech*
Wake Forest
Big East
Connecticut*
MWC
TCU
Utah*
Air Force
Independents
Navy
Army
WAC
Boise State*
Hawaii*
Fresno State*
PSU just got this kid, he is a hometown boy. Dakota Royer he is only 211 lbs, but is a freak of nature.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miLKXp6pbZ0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miLKXp6pbZ0)
They have 15 commitments according to rivals 10 of them are 4 star recruits.
What kind of name is Dakota?
a lacrosse name
I think its a hybrid hick/collar poppin' sububs kid name.
I could see some seashell necklace wearing scrote named Dakota. Probably the kid whose parents have all his jersey numbers and team name stickers plastered all over the back of their hybrid SUV.
He was named after his Pa's favorite truck
It sounds like they may have lost DB Givens before his career even started. He has not met the academic requirements to get into school. He is now eligible to sign with any school.
Supposedly Joe Pa is trying to have a meeting with Spanier this evening to see if they can work something out so the kid can stay. If not he has Florida, South Carolina, UNC, Rutgers and a few others that he may now attend.
I was listening to a local podcast of Royer yesterday he said PSU is going to get a few more major commitments that should put the class over the top. He said he could not disclose who the players were.
Rumor is Givens was told to take a class, he got an A, but they didnt communicate he had to take another course, and he didnt meet eligibility requirements. Funny he cant get into PSU, but Miami and a whole group of other schools are all over him.
yet another reason why penn state will never run with the big boys again...you have to let anyone and everyone in these days and cheat to be with the elite of college football
the worst part of this is you lose an absolute stud from the dc region and even tho penn state did nothing wrong they will still be talked about in a negative light...same way maryland was hurt big time by the derrick williams fiasco
What will save them in that area is LJ, he has that area locked. If it wasn't for the fact that they have such a good crop of incoming players for 2010 I would agree, but most kids are going to see that and not care about 1 player.
I don't know if I agree about them not being able to run with the big boys again either. They definitely are taking guys that 10-15 years ago they wouldn't have even considered. What you say might end up being true. Though their tradition, their stadium, and the amount of money in that program will go a long way.
if they took anyone theyd still have a hard time being in the elite just because the south and west have so many more players than the east and north and 95% of those players dont even know where penn state is....thats why when they get great players like a givens that pretty much any school in the country would want they have to take them no matter what
they will always be in the top 20 because they are one of the better teams in a terrible conference but unless paternos replacement is some incredible big name coach thats willing to and allowed to do ANYTHING it takes they will never be more than a team that has a chance to win the big ten every few years
Like I said you may be right, but the fact they are even competitive right now is amazing to me. I thought the year they played FSU was just a flash in the pan, but they seem to have parlayed that into getting back into the national spotlight.
i dont think they are competitive in terms of the best teams tho which is where they used to be back in the day...dont get me wrong ive been more than pleased with what theyve done the last five years but im afraid this is the best that it gets and i just wish expectations were higher every year
Well if they continue to do what they are doing they will be with the alumni. Whether or not that is realistic is another story.
#8 in the coaches poll.
PSU @ Indiana in 2010 will be played at FedEx Field (http://espn.go.com/blog/bigten/post/_/id/2768/indiana-penn-state-to-play-at-fedex-field-in-2010)
Also Koroma is transferring to Western Illinois, and one of their top 2010 recruits (Coxson) is taking official visits to other campuses, claiming he's still going to PSU but wants to verify his decision...
why are they playing in dc. cant people just drive a few hours south and see a real team in the sec?
recruiting
they originally wanted PSU/VA Tech but settled for this
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 26, 2009, 01:50:13 PM
recruiting
if the kid was smart they would avoid the pos big 10 at all costs
if penn state wasnt in the middle of a forest it would be a top five program...its facilities history money and almuni are almost unmatched....they are just cursed with their locale
pretty much
also you cant even compare southern girls to MA pa girls
Quote from: MDS on August 26, 2009, 02:54:56 PM
pretty much
also you cant even compare southern girls to MA pa girls
You guys an you "MA" I don't think you can get more douche bag than that . :-D
why...you MA?
ha
philly girls and MA girls dont have much separation. its a different breed in the south and any football player is silly to pass it up.
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 26, 2009, 04:49:26 PM
why...you MA?
Could be, it just cracks me up with you guys and your MA. And trust me MDS I know all about southern girls.
My dad discovered the internet. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NT9OBztsVZg)
Maybe it isn't as amazing as I think it is, but my farging old man sent it to me which is pretty hilarious.
up to #5 in the polls, and they open as a 10-pt favorite vs Iowa
such a fraud team, 2 maybe 3 big 10 losses this year
Quote from: SunMo on September 20, 2009, 06:38:58 PM
such a fraud team, 2 maybe 3 big 10 losses this year
I don't know about that. They aren't nearly as good as I thought they would be, but then again you can definitely see they play down to the competition. Not indicative of a top 5 team.
maybe that's it...but right now i don't see them beating Michigan in Ann Arbor or Ohio State anywhere. MSU will be a tough game too
Quote from: SunMo on September 20, 2009, 06:38:58 PM
such a fraud team, 2 maybe 3 big 10 losses this year
truism
In the last week PSU has landed 3 more 4 star recruits. 2 DEs and the #1 FB in the country, a kid from Maryland.
lee is out for iowa and it doesnt look good for bowman
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 22, 2009, 09:28:10 AM
lee is out for iowa and it doesnt look good for bowman
What the farg happened to Lee? That is a huge blow. :boom
Its a good thing they are about 15 deep at LB.
iowa >>>> eagles
fairly decent start
I couldn't care less about this team but I cannot wait for the osu game.
what an atrocious series of play calls
2 and 15 from the one foot line you play safe by running the fb off tackle
then on 3rd and 15 you throw the ball??
and get a safety
that running into the kicker was a horrible horrible call. I understand the idea of the call, but the blocker was blocked into the ground, and the kicker barely touched him. shtein the PSU player tried to make himself smaller if thats even possible. They ended up not scoring, after a zesty kick, but that could have easily been 3 or 7 on the board for PSU.
zesty game so far....other than the first play.
penn state stinks anyway
out of wisconsin mich and ohio state they easily lose two...and thats not even including tonight which they may lose
their corner backs are so friggin bad...iowa who has horrible wide outs has guys running wide open all over the field on every play...if it wasnt for the weather and zesty qb'ing theyd be down by like 10 right now
playcalling has been off the charts bad, and they just look like ish.
Can we just do away with the big 10 already. Its so friggin bad
Sukay just got bulldozed on that play.
Terrible.
Momentum shift complete...Clark picked and then Iowa cuts through the defense.
18-10
:-D
Way to go. Royster fumbles after a great kickoff and a personal foul gave them great field position
ultimate fraud
still going for the osu game but lordy lordy will it be a buzzkill of a trip
great play telling the team this was just another game joepa. :boom
Fortt picks PSU (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/highschool/10/05/fortt.pennstate/)
Nice
Quote from: BigEd76 on October 05, 2009, 11:48:06 AM
Fortt picks PSU (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/highschool/10/05/fortt.pennstate/)
Unbelievable.
hope he likes losing to iowa
and michigan
navarro is a beast
district heights md what!
quarless waits until the seventh game of his senior season to show up....what a wasted career he should have been so good
Did you guys read the feature on JoePa by Joe Posnanski in this week's SI?
Great read.
i dont wanna read anything on joe pa unless its his obituary
lol...why you gotta hate?
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 24, 2009, 04:49:29 PM
quarless waits until the seventh game of his senior season to show up....what a wasted career he should have been so good
He has played well all season which is sad because like you said he should have been so good.
awesome effort today
theyre losing to temple next year
i won two hundy on ohio state today
they get a pass because the oline has been bad and the coach is a disaster but penn states biggest problem this year is the wr's...they are AWFUL
PSU plays LSU in the Capital One Bowl. I really like that match up. The Big Ten in general has some tough match ups.
0% chance they win that
Yeah just like there was 0% chance they would beat UT a few years back. Normally I would agree, but LSU is not that good this year.
psu isnt a top 25 team. they will get run out of the building.
i dont think penn state will win but lsu cant run anyone out of the building with their offense
LSU is coached by Les Miles; anything can happen.
Erin Andrews will be on the sidelines for the bowl game
and PSU is a 3-pt favorite
four star DL dom easley who has been arguably the best defensive player at the army aa practices decommitted from penn state
You're just a little ray of sunshine aren't you?
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 31, 2009, 12:02:52 PM
four star DL dom easley who has been arguably the best defensive player at the army aa practices decommitted from penn state
There had been a lot of talk about him still looking around. Adrian Coxson a WR is also looking at other schools now as well.
Les miles sucks
Quote from: MDS on December 06, 2009, 11:27:44 PM
psu isnt a top 25 team. they will get run out of the building.
Quote0% chance they win that
couple this with osu taking down ou and i look like an even bigger douche than normal
ha, that field yesterday for the PSU game was atrocious. Nice win by Joe Pa
Great drive at the end of the game :yay
Bowman declared for the draft today.
royster staying
That means Lattimore is definitely not coming there, not like he was going to anyway.
i dont see how royster even gets drafted much less as high as lot of people said he would have went
that guy is the classic college only running back....not a pro
He will lacrosse all over your face, smartguy.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 06, 2010, 04:48:44 PM
i dont see how royster even gets drafted much less as high as lot of people said he would have went
that guy is the classic college only running back....not a pro
Yeah I agree I just don't see it. He doesn't really do anyone thing that stands out.
five star baltimore wr adrian coxson gone from penn states recruiting class
I haven't seen anywhere he was a rated a 5 star. From what I have read they basically didn't want him anymore. Not sure whether is was grades or discipline reasons, both were being reported.
http://recruiting.scout.com/a.z 73&p=8&c=1&nid=4178408
I also read that they may have rescinded their offer because they weren't sure that he really was committed to PSU.
They soured on him months ago
Lattimore is the guy most PSU fans are waiting for, and there's still a chance he'll end up there. Supposedly the LB recruits were all over him last week in San Antonio, and he'll announce his decision on Feb 2
Someone posted this on BWI with regards to the Coxson situation and I actually believe it. If this is the case, then good riddance.
"Okay here's the deal. I very rarely have any inside info regarding PSU football, but I am close with two guys that came out of my area in the last 4 years, one recruit and one senior on the team, and I happened to bump into one of them today and asked them about this situation.The only reason I am posting anything is because one of the posters in this thread got very close to guessing what occured in this situation.
What I was told was when Coxson was wavering from his PSU commitment he engaged in some behavior that could have been very detrimental to the program and their recruiting effort this year. Simultaneously he was telling everyone that was listening that he was definitely going to PSU and he was actually trying to convince an uncommited recruit to attend PSU. This raised some issues with the staff regarding Adrian's character and really pissed off the big guy. The guy on the staff who had the best relationship with Coxson tried to salvage the situation, but he received confirmation from one of the incoming recruits that AC had tried to sway him away from his commitment and to a school coached by a snake-oil salesman with heart issues.
The staff never formally rescinded his scholarship offer, but the member of the staff who supported him the most confronted AC with this information and was not satisfied with AC's response. This combined with the kid's apparent obsession with early playing time and the big guy's reservations led the staff to tell AC "thanks but no thanks." That is all I have. TIFWIW."
From another board
lol
penn state has more excuses than donovan fans
That doesn't really sound like an excuse to me. Either way it sucks because the kid obviously has talent and it is not like they have a plethora of WRs.
Lattimore eliminated PSU and is down to South Carolina and Auburn
Saw that yesterday, their class seems to be ending with a little bit of a fizzle.
(http://image3.examiner.com/images/blog/EXID30967/images/Temple_Golden_Tate_-_AP_Photo_Gail_Burton(1).jpg)
looks like pitt to the big ten is official
if true its an awesome move
where you hear that from?
great news obviously if true. they belong in that crowd.
wonder who the big east gets to replace pitt. temple is a logical choice...
east carolina sounds like the leader right now
lol
if rutgers and nova are blocking temple then fine, i can deal with that. but if bradshaw and the board are too afraid to get in on this then i dont know. im not sure i really need to explain why temple needs to get into the big east.
temple isnt even a consideration...it has nothing to do with being blocked or whatever
east carolina and memphis are the clear cut favorites
memphis i can see but east carolina? come on.
if temple cant get in on this then its a10/mac fo life. i can live with the a10, its not a terrible conference and they can get good out of conference games. but locking in long term to the mac = not even bothering for football. its like following a minor league team.
ecu just finished a stadium expansion and has a strong following in football.... which is the sport that will be driving the shot callers...they do have negatives in that they have the smallest market of the teams being considered (i think cent. fla. is the other)....cfu gives the orlando market and another school in a recruiting hotbed...memphis gives memphis market and a good to potentially great basketball school
yea, cant fight that
if temple had a reasonable, sober AD then maybe we could pull it off. but we dont. oh well.
Or not
http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2010/02/bogus-report-has-pittsburgh-set-to-join-big-ten.html (http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2010/02/bogus-report-has-pittsburgh-set-to-join-big-ten.html)
Who knows what to believe but Pitt coming to the Big Ten would be great.
http://www.sbnation.com/2010/2/11/1306419/joe-paterno-glasses-surgery-penn-state
(http://cdn3.sbnation.com/imported_assets/377215/778997.jpg)
He looks older without glasses.
he isnt going to actually been seen again without his glasses is he...i mean thats a farging trademark now...whats next...docksiders on the sidelines
could anyone have imagined harry caray getting laser eye surgery
whats the difference, hes been dead since bush 1
And he still looks younger than Paterno.
spring game is on espn 2
This could be a long season for PSU. If anybody caught any of the game McGloin looked like their best QB. Newsome has brutal mechanics.
pj looked great but we all know joe pa will never ever give a job
Put Jones out there. Kid can farging ball.
where this year's draft prospects ended up:
Odrick = Dolphins
Lee = Cowboys
Bowman = 49ers
Quarless = Packers
Shuler = Vikings
Hull = Rams
Clark = Steelers taterskins
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 25, 2010, 02:34:31 AM
pj looked great but we all know joe pa will never ever give a job
He already pretty much said that. Really though it might be for the better if the oline doesn't improve drastically.
so are they gonna expand to 14?
i think joe pa wants a midwestern school and a west coast school. notice how he doesnt want a southern school, knowing he cant compete with dem boys down der
thats definitely why he scheduled alabama
theres a difference between one ooc game where both schools make cake and throwing southern schools into your conference where they, combined with ohio st always being better, will guarantee psu a 3rd or 4th place finish every year
oh wait, that already happens
it's sad but the most PSU fans have to look forward to is if the team shteins it's pants more than joepa.
Quote from: KDS on April 25, 2010, 11:24:24 PM
so are they gonna expand to 14?
i think joe pa wants a midwestern school and a west coast school. notice how he doesnt want a southern school, knowing he cant compete with dem boys down der
I thought it was a school from the east and mid-west. A school from the South or West makes zero sense for the Big Ten.
texas would make complete sense
missouri to the big ten
I'm excited for this.
most people already thought they were in the big ten so it works
How close is this to being official? Scale of 1-10, with tsn-ca rumor at 1, Florio at 4, and espn.com at 10.
havas 11
now the rumor is they are adding mizzou, pitt, rutgers, cuse and nebraska and will have 4 divisions of 4 teams
that might destroy the big east, since the sec could respond by plucking west virginia and the acc by stealing uconn.
somewhere in an airport hanger, matty weeps.
Adding Nebraska and Pitt would be sick for football.
New name... Big Clusterfarg?
east of MA
syracuse
rutgers
pitt
psu
MA #1
osu
msu
mich
wisc
MA #2
ill
purd
nw
indiana
MA # 3
mizzou
neb
iowa
minny
Where did you hear this rumor?
twitter, where else?
dunno if this is true or not but...
QuoteMajor FYI here for PSU fans.....................
If you are a season ticket holder and generally pay for parking when you get to the games, there has been a MAJOR parking increase this year. They have doubled it from $20 last year to $40 this year, and remarkably haven't said word one about this increase publicly.
Here's what you need to do..............if you are local, go to the athletic department offices (not the ticket offices) at the Bryce Jordan Center and you can buy any game for just $10. We bought the whole season yesterday for $70, which obviously is less than what they will be charging on gameday for 2 games. I'm sure you can call as well, pay by credit card, and they can send you the passes.
There are going to be major problems for the YSU game as nobody knows about this. It really is an ultimate act of sheer greed. Hopefully people won't accept it.
The ULTIMATE act of sheer greed.
i love when people get indignant about changes to services where they are farged as a consumer. just take it like a good boy and pay it, or don't go to the farging game.
A kid in my class who is a main campus transplant did a report on this a few months ago
Riveting.
so for anyone thats interested.
11/20 PSU game vs. Indiana is at FedEx Field.
the Flyers are in DC that same night.
should be a fun sports day.
i would be interested if anybody puts ticket orders together for those things
penn state tickets will be 50 cents in the parking lot
what about caps tickets smart guy
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 24, 2010, 12:30:54 PM
penn state tickets will be 50 cents in the parking lot
not so sure about this, you're going to have people from all over coming to this game, from the regulars that fill up beaver stadium to people like me in dc who don't make it up for many games.
especially if you want to get a group of seats together.
The DC Metro Area has one of the largest concentration of Penn State alumni in the country. Or it did 10 years ago when I graduated.
it's good to have all this information in one place
Quote from: SunMo on August 24, 2010, 12:48:40 PM
it's good to have all this information in one place
more than a few tickets together will be impossible and expensive unless the caps still do group sales which i highly doubt they do for the flyers...a pair im sure i could work for face
Quote from: rjs246 on August 24, 2010, 12:47:41 PM
The DC Metro Area has one of the largest concentration of Penn State alumni in the country.
it has a deep concentration of taterskins fans as well and tickets to their games are cheap
50 cents is an exaggeration but if you pay more than ten bucks to get in that game you should be shot
virginia tech usc tickets were readily available for at and below face
you sure you guys wanna go see a team thats gonna lose to temple? at home?
OH YEA ITS ON
According to Blue White illustrated Bolden is the leader among the QBs. Jones is going to be redshirted.
Jones being redshirted is old news. But McGloin will be the starter at least until he gets killed in Bama.
i cant see joe giving the job to a true frosh...but if he gives it to bolden then say bye bye to jones...he will def transfer....in fact he might transfer anyway
They did mention the possibility of Newsome changing positions. Grosz was saying Bolden is the best athlete and has the best mechanics for what they want to do offensively.
All in all this is a great position for them to be in as far as talent to get the job. I cant remember anytime recently where they had so many QB's going for the job legitimately
they have two....jones and bolden...and theres a good chance jones transfers
if this is there golden era for qb's its only because the position has been so bad for them
in truth they have done fairly well at the position for a team with a prehistoric offense who normally has weak skill position players...they seem to get the right fit more often than not...they just never have a really good qb
I wonder if that doesn't have more to do with how they develop them? They have gotten some very good QB recruits throughout the years. I have a feeling the beginning of the season will be a 2 qb system with McGloin and Bolden. :puke I always hate when teams do that.
development is definitely an issue but who are their great qb recruits over the last 20 years...have they ever had a five star guy....seems like they always go with guys who fit
Morelli was a top 5 QB prospect. Mills and Wasserman were both top 10. I believe Kerry Collins was a top recruit. Rashard Casey was even pretty highly touted coming in.
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on August 26, 2010, 03:27:47 PM
Morelli was a top 5 QB prospect. Mills and Wasserman were both top 10. I believe Kerry Collins was a top recruit. Rashard Casey was even pretty highly touted coming in.
I believe Wally Richardson was as well.
where was devlin ranked ?
Top 10.
Now there is an outside chance that he will be a first round pick next year.
He looked pretty damn good last year, and with UD's track record he has a good shot at a 1st round pick
Bolden named starting QB (http://www.gopsusports.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/090110aaa.html)
McGloin is destined to be a backup.
Newsome and Jones will probably transfer.
the divisions were announced today. no michigan or iowa.
next year psu ends the season with NEB, @OSU, @WISC. rough.
also next year they are @ temple which will be coming off a mac title
sorry guys.
http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/story/13860053/penn-state-suspends-mascot-one-month-for-drunkenness/cbsnews (http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/story/13860053/penn-state-suspends-mascot-one-month-for-drunkenness/cbsnews)
penn state is really bad
They are not being aggressive at all. This could be a very long season. How many passes are their WRs going to miss play or drop?
did you hear the stat that the score today was ysu first ever against a d1 team
and it was an 80 yard run
how slow is astorino?
Actually Astorino isn't that slow that guy must of just had some legit speed. And I didn't hear that. This team just plays with no sense of urgency over the last year. Bolden looks pretty legit at least.
hes a statue but we will agree to disagree
Collin Wagner looks like an All-American. Joe Pa sounds terrible.
this was an abortion of a game to start, but they got going finally.
is youngstown a good team for Iaa?
Quote from: KDS on September 04, 2010, 02:27:09 PM
is youngstown a good team for Iaa?
They used to be real good. They have a new coach and a frosh Qb. Pretty bad indicator for PSU.
so how much is bama favored by
8?
It's gotta be more than that.
you think?
double figures seems like a lot
If its less than double figures count me in against PSU....I hope I am wrong but really? Who would bet against Alabama in this game?
so i just watched the replay the afternoon...yeah they didn't look great in the first half but bolden has a fargin gun. very vick like in the way he throws. old vick not new vick. a little too hard it looked like at times but if any of those receivers can get long i think theres gonna be some big plays.
too bad the season could basically end in week 2.
you guys were right
depending on where you look line is 11 or 12
Joe Pa said this is the best team they have faced since Miami for the Championship.
they could end up being the best but after only one game played i dont think you could put them ahead of 2002 buckeyes...they were really good
as of now youd also have to say 88 nd was better
94 corn husk....errrr....nevermind
JoePa is all about complimenting the opposition.
not to mention he cant remember anything before last week much less in the 80's
Don't kill the messenger. Joe is in rough shape I have a feeling he won't be around much longer.
dareus is def out for saturday
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqHmzJnBwVA&feature=player_embedded
http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/story/13904158/saban-says-ingram-not-likely-to-play-vs-penn-state (http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/story/13904158/saban-says-ingram-not-likely-to-play-vs-penn-state)
royster needs to go to the locker room and undress....this game is way too fast for him
bolden being a true frosh...showing his talent on that awesome pass to moye then going brain dead on the int
men vs boys
that last Bama drive was embarrassing for the PSU defense. 2 plays and they went from pinned on their four to the 30.
who wins in a sprint....PSU wideouts or Alabama olinemen
PSU offense doesn't look too overmatched, but Bama is going to score on every drive easily.
they have a stunning lack of points for not being overmatched
penn states offense is overmatched but they have made some great play calls...the thing is you can only call so many reverses and misdirections before alabama catches on to it
that said i am more tham impressed with bolden
wow did penn state catch a break there...they did a review of the play but only on the first fumble not realizing they needed to review the second fumble
"Stunning lack of points" indeed. Two bad turnovers in the red zone. But they've been moving the ball more than I thought they would.
Is Andy Reid calling the plays in to Donovan McNabb here? This is eerie.
Quote from: FastFreddie on September 11, 2010, 08:09:03 PM
But they've been moving the ball more than I thought they would.
completely agree...i thought it would be ugly and it hasnt been but until i see penn state move the ball straight ahead for a few first downs as opposed to mis directions ill believe they arent overmatched
bwahahahah @ brent saying bama has done a great job of shutting down a sloth like converted qb wideout from princeton nj
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 11, 2010, 08:29:12 PM
bwahahahah @ brent saying bama has done a great job of shutting down a sloth like converted qb wideout from princeton nj
Or even how Saban gameplanned for him. That is saying something nice when ain't shtein else to be said.
Second half run is comin'.
This game would be easier to digest if Saban was coaching Bama.
could actually be a lot worse than it is...i suspect it gets to that point in the second half
really the only reason left to watch for (tenn ore on espn2 ftw) is to see whether saban runs the score up on joe or not
Quote from: SD on September 11, 2010, 08:41:03 PM
This game would be easier to digest if Saban was coaching Bama.
hes a complete dick but in an awesome way (unlike say a lane kiffin)....in the jimmy johnson mold...i personally love them both
I hate him and hope a plane flies into his house tonight
completely valid
bolden needs to be taught how to move around in the pocket...not even run but just shuffle your feet...sidestep...the kind of shtein dan marino was so good at...like five times tonight and on both interceptions he stayed in way to long...i noticed him doing this last week as well
penn state has like eight white defensive starters alabama like three white guys on their whole team...end of story
i wonder what the other cf has to say about this game
silas redd getting some run...been looking forward to him
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 11, 2010, 09:40:01 PM
penn state has like eight white defensive starters alabama like three white guys on their whole team...end of story
i wonder what the other cf has to say about this game
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why is richardson still playing
The black is a better athlete to begin with because he's been bred to be that way — because of his high thighs and big thighs that goes up into his back, and they can jump higher and run faster because of their bigger thighs. This goes back all the way to the Civil War when during the slave trading, the owner — the slave owner would breed his big black to his big woman so that he could have a big black kid.
I was surprised how well PSUs oline played tonight wasn't nearly as bad as I thought it would be. What bothered me was the fact the defense was not tackling. Overall this has to be the least disappointing loss in recent memory. What impressed me with Bolden was he is playing the #1 team in the country in one of the toughest stadiums and he didn't get rattled even when he made some bad plays.
What the hell has happened to Zug he was one of the most sure handed WRs they had until the end of last season now he just sucks.
Bolden gives me hope for the future. Royster has been exposed as just another guy.
All in all, it could have been worse.
True. You could have posted "could of" instead of could have.
As for the game... eww. There wasn't a single thing about it that was entertaining other than the 4 hillbillies at the bar trying desperately and failing miserably to get a "rolllllllll tide" cheer going in a bar full of Penn State fans.
Quote from: FastFreddie on September 12, 2010, 07:33:18 AM
Bolden gives me hope for the future. Royster has been exposed as just another guy.
All in all, it could have been worse.
I thought Royster looked better than he did in week 1. I think he is one of those backs that is just solid nothing exceptional about him but solid in every facet of his game. Redd looks like he is going to be the real deal.
Redd has some moves to him, he can juke.
Not sports related, but suckit haters! (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704358904575477643369663352.html?mod=WSJ_hps_LEFTTopStories)
Dumbasses will finally have a D1 ice hockey program in 2012-2013. Dumbasses.
Hockey groupie chicks are easy lays. Some are actually hot too.
Quote from: rjs246 on September 17, 2010, 02:50:38 PM
Dumbasses will finally have a D1 ice hockey program in 2012-2013. Dumbasses.
They raise tuition then spend $88 million to finance a hockey program. Glad my tuition is paid for by the man.
Quote from: FastFreddie on September 17, 2010, 02:57:05 PM
Hockey groupie chicks are easy lays. Some are actually hot too.
This is actually 100% truth.
Taliaferro 10 years after (http://www.philly.com/dailynews/top_story/20100921_Taliaferro_living_normal_life__10_years_after_spinal-cord_injury.html)
Blech.
Uh oh boys
If nothing else, my bet looks like a stone cold lead pipe lock.
The Fighting Orodenkers came to play today.
Wow, gotta come up with that fumble there. Bolden got smoked.
farging dumb athletes
Killing me
Chester stewart blows, pierce is hurt, this is bad right now
Need a turnover inside the 5 or a special teams break
put up a good fight but their offense sucks without Pierce
Temple is no joke. The Nitts kind of are. Whatever. 28-0
next year with pierce for a full game, someone better than stewart and the game being at the linc = the streak ends
but for now....ugh, so close
Temple just needed to get a smart and intelligent QB like a Pat Devlin when he left. Instead they got an athlete who should be playing receiver out there.
Quote from: KDS on September 25, 2010, 07:17:05 PM
next year with pierce for a full game, someone better than stewart and the game being at the linc = the streak ends
but for now....ugh, so close
any conflicted emotions over being beat by the spawn of mike zordich?
haha i didnt even know he was zordichs boy
temple has this cat chris coyer who redshirted last year....maybe hell get a look at some point this year or get the job next year'
either way temple is a qb away from winning this game. and not having their best player break his knee
Impressive game by temple
Temple's coaching staff clearly learned from the best.
temple sucks...penn state sucks more
how bad is Penn State
Really really bad. Glad I have some bones on Illinois +8. Wish I bet the moneyline, though.
how did temple not win that game
Fire JoePa! </fairweatherfan>
you fire his 2 top assistants? cause i think you know by now joe pa aint doin shtein
Pretty sure he's a reanimated corpse
Quote from: MDS on October 09, 2010, 02:32:19 PM
how did temple not win that game
serious question?
penn state is absolutely atrocious. even without heisman pierce for the 2nd half that should have been a win.
The day Penn State loses to Temple is the day you know they've hit rock bottom.
so next year?`
Quote from: MDS on October 09, 2010, 05:42:08 PM
penn state is absolutely atrocious. even without heisman pierce for the 2nd half that should have been a win.
guess you didnt see the temple game yesterday
i did not but i do know pierce barely played
but lets get this out there: we will bet temple/psu next year @ the linc and i will rape you like i do in every bet we have
can I get some of that action?
of course...but dont be believing this is straight up. either odds or the spread. see you in a year.
lol...they got pounded by northern illinois....bernard farging pierce isnt helping with that
and they were 2 plays away from beating penn st, who have destroyed them every year since 1942
i told you it was gonna be close this year and im telling next year your fossilized senile coach finally gets whats coming to him.
penn state is an atrocity and still much better than temple
thats all that needs to be said
so what say you next year when we beat down that pasty white ass
dicks...more than half price off tickets for the psu game at fedex.
http://www.groupon.com/baltimore/ (http://www.groupon.com/baltimore/)
Aaron Maybin worst player in the NFL? (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Is-Bills-linebacker-Aaron-Maybin-the-worst-playe?urn=nfl-280632)
Ha, nice. Great hair, too.
That style was last popular when the Bills were.
There's nothing better than stomping Michigan
Quote from: SD on October 30, 2010, 10:27:10 PM
There's nothing better than stomping Michigan
theres is...its called not being a terrible big 10 team
Temple.
They stomped Akron yesterday!
http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20101101/SPORTS/101031013/Delaware-players-make-football-impact
[obligatory CF Delaware hate]No wonder PSU sucks now[/obligatory CF Delaware hate]
Justin Brown with the TD grab :yay
Apparently Joe Pa's first TD pass in ohio? I find that incredibly hard to believe
McGloin is getting really excited about this game.
Not enoguh beer in the world!!!b!b!!
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/columns/heyl/s_708535.html
MA MA MA MA pennsyltucky MA MA MA MA
Quote
Fans play race card, spoil day at PSU
By Eric Heyl
PITTSBURGH TRIBUNE-REVIEW
Sunday, November 14, 2010
It didn't take long for Happy Valley to turn miserable for Linda and Bobby Baker.
The Greensburg couple attended the Penn State-Michigan football game Oct. 30 and displayed colors that got them harassed by unruly fans of the home team.
It wasn't just the fact that the Bakers were sporting the blue and maize of the Michigan Wolverines that upset some Nittany Lions supporters. It was the fact that Linda Baker is white and Bobby Baker is black.
"We were prepared for the usual high-spirited fun that goes along with being fans of the opposing team," Linda Baker said. "We weren't prepared for the verbal assaults that were rude, degrading and demeaning."
Linda Baker, 45, an Irwin native, met her husband while both served in the Marines. They moved back to the area in May from Ohio to help care for Linda Baker's ailing parents.
The couple spent $500 on two tickets on the 40-yard line they found online. That's a lot of money to spend on a football game, but Bobby Baker, 44, grew up a huge Wolverines fan in Michigan so he and Linda decided to splurge.
In retrospect, the decision was a costly mistake.
They sat in a section with many older alumni, several of whom conducted themselves as though they were attempting to relive their drunken frat boy days. The Bakers were cursed at, and Linda Baker said the man directly behind her kept hitting her in the back of the head with a pom-pom.
That annoying situation deteriorated further when Bobby Baker left to find a restroom and his wife was subjected to berating racial epithets.
"I was called a (N-word) lover, a Michigan (N-word)-loving (expletive)," Baker said. "Someone asked, 'Since when do they allow (N-word)-lovers in our stadium?' "
Bobby Baker, meanwhile, got into a verbal altercation with a white fan who attempted to block his entrance into the restroom.
The climate was so hostile that the Bakers ended up leaving the game early, enduring more racially tinged taunts and insults as they exited the stadium.
To its credit, Penn State reached out to the Bakers after Linda Baker wrote university officials a letter describing the experience.
Baker said she received conciliatory phone calls Friday from Penn State broadcaster Steve Jones and from Joe Paterno's administrative assistant, who promised the legendary football coach soon will be in touch.
"We wanted to get back to (the Bakers) as quickly as possible to make sure they knew we were aware of the situation," Penn State associate athletic director Greg Myford said. "There's a small city here on Saturdays, so regrettably there are going to be occasional incidents -- not just at Beaver Stadium, but at lots of stadiums."
For Linda Baker, the incident represents more than just a ruined football game.
"My husband and I were Marines who lived all over the country and all over the world without experiencing anything like this," she said. "It deeply saddens me that when I experienced blatant discrimination for the first time, it happened right here."
Is she still angry?
"I'm embarrassed," she said. "I'm embarrassed that people from my home state are still so ignorant."
No way! A group of drunken racists at a college football game in the middle of nowhere? SHOCK. ING.
i like how it comes out 2 weeks later from a Pittsburgh newspaper
i like how right now temple has more top 25 votes than penn st
define "right now"
Right now. Temple has 9 points, PSU has 0.
Northwestern is essentially ranked #26 with 99 points, and Michigan is checking in with 4... Two teams the Nitts beat. In fact, the only game PSU lost that they probably should have won was Illinois (37 points), so it's a bit confusing that they get no votes. But since they suck, I don't really care.
Oh, and Delaware is checking in with 1 point.
Quote from: FastFreddie on November 17, 2010, 08:15:05 AM
Right now. Temple has 9 points, PSU has 0.
no as of the last poll they have 9
i can guarantee you temple has negative top 25 votes after last night....ie right now
You are getting wittier as you age.
theres gotta be 40,000 empty seats at fed ex for this game
why arent you there, mr. sportsfan#1
why would i ever go to that game?
i dont know
I didn't go because I was told that FedEx might be the worst place in the world to watch a game.
i have two tickets and still decided to watch it at home.
I drove from NC to PA today and avoided the Beltway completely.
This game is actually worse than last week so far.
stands filled in much more than i thought they would
and yeah i cant even watch it....ive watched much more of wisc-mich which has been really good
QuoteThe Hoosiers were technically the home team, having agreed to move the game for a $3 million payout, but Penn State recruits heavily in the region and has about 42,000 alumni living in the Washington, D.C., area. Nittany Lions white outnumbered Indiana red by about 3-to-1 among the fans at FedEx Field, home of the NFL's Washington taterskins.
Holy shtein! 42,000 alumni? How long a drive is it from happy valley to DC?
It is a surprisingly short drive. Under 3 hours, IIRC.
you can make it from bmore in under three....to fed ex its more like 330
When I was in college, I exceeded the posted speed limit from time to time.
you rebel you
Our options to break the law were not as plentiful as those in Fishtown.
so joe pa is coming back
im actually loving this...he needs to be alive to see his sorry team get beat by temple at the linc. because it will happen next year.
al golden has beaten a total of three teams with winning records in his entire life...he will never beat penn state no matter what their record is
it has nothing to do with golden
it has everything to do with the laws of physics. temple hasnt won this game since world war II. its just time. the talent discrepancy isn't that significant.
no its monsterous....penn state 2007 and 8 were big years for recruiting
rip penn state all you want they still are a huge bcs program while temple cant beat the better mac teams
Quote from: MDS on November 23, 2010, 04:13:29 PM
it has everything to do with the laws of physics.
as opposed to the law of averages.
i will and i know they are better and always will be
but its just one of those things that has to happen eventually. and as long as that old fart is coaching and with the game in philly this is about as good a chance as temple is ever going to have.
There will still be more Penn State fans at the game than Temple fans.
really? i never would have figured that.
You're grasping at straws. It's not going to happen. This season was your best chance.
PSU vs Florida in the Outback Bowl. JoePa said he's excited to play on Thanksgiving Day
If I live to be that old, every day is Thanksgiving.
Todd, is this a good way to start an article?
GoPSUSports (http://www.gopsusports.com/sports/m-baskbl/recaps/120710aaa.html)
QuoteOn the anniversary of the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor, Penn State almost fell victim to a surprise attack of its own.
NO
Not surprising at all (http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/colleges/penn_state/20101210_Quarterback_Newsome_reportedly_looking_to_leave_Penn_State.html)
I'm just glad it's Newsome and not Bolden. And Paul Jones is still in the wings too.
Quoteif reports of third-stringer Kevin Newsome's interest in taking his talents elsewhere are accurate.
He thinks he's Lebron
They just got a Pitt defector earlier this week. He is a 3 star linebacker. Not a huge deal but with the way their recruiting class is shaping up this year they need to take what they can get.
there had been recent rumblings of penn state trying to move newsome to safety...i wonder if that was the last straw
Quote from: SD on December 10, 2010, 01:27:54 PM
Quoteif reports of third-stringer Kevin Newsome's interest in taking his talents elsewhere are accurate.
He thinks he's Lebron
hes taking his talents to south philly to play with m vick kevin kosh?
JoePa told a recruit that he's in for 5-6 more years.
That's so absurd I don't even know what to say about it.
the absurd part is that joe pa thinks telling a recruit that will make him want to come to penn state
oh my
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0fS8xLYIVY
lol
So many incredible soundbytes:
"Can ya hear me Mad dog?"
"Are you in a noisy area?"
"No...it's really quiet here"
from another board:
JoePa rumors, TIFWIW
It's almost certain that the Outback Bowl will be Joe's last game. He has some major health issues including... (I omitted this info because I don't want to cause alarm). He is not in good shape, sorry to say, and plans are in motion behind the scenes including several private jets filled with Paterno family members flying to the bowl game since it will be his last. The assistants have been told that Joe's successor will be hired from outside the staff which is why Bradley, Big Red, Vandy and everyone else is looking around at other positions. Bradley and Vandy both interviewed with Temple in recent days and Big Red will likely follow Bradley to whatever job he lands. Golden called PSU before taking the Miami job and PSU told him our next hire will be from outside PSU. Leading candidates seem to be Tony Dungy, Chris Petersen (Boise), Dan Mullen (Miss State, former OC at Florida under Meyer and native of Philadelphia/Ursinus/PSU grad father) but there are names flying everywhere and there seems to be a great deal more interest in PSU than there was for Miami, Michigan, etc. Some insiders seem to like the idea of Dungy coming in for 5-7 years and restoring PSU to the top tier, then Golden coming back to lead the program long term after he gets more experience on the bigger stage that Miami has to offer.
Apparently this all came to a head at the senior banquet. Tons of players tweeted crap about how out of it he was.....said it was going to be great to play in a "Thanksgiving Day Bowl"....someone in admin. Reached out to every living captain that played for him and asked them to write a letter to Joe, which was presented to him in a book. It was weird, because no one knew or thought anything was officially decided, but it was clear it was kind of like a send off. Anyway, he gets the book and is fine speaking for a couple of minutes, then tails off into nonsense and nobody can figure out what he's talking about....he finished up by saying "I gotta go beat my old friend Spurrier in the bowl game"....walks off the stage, and walks out of the room.
Where is that from?
I've been reading stuff like that for the past 5 years, although since then he's gone from cranky old bastich to senile within that time so it wouldn't surprise me.
For the love of god Spanier please don't hire Tony Dungy.
i got it from PSC, but i think the guy there got it from the Rivals board
It's insane that they wouldn't announce it before the game. Joe is probably resisting.
i know this same shtein has come out every year for a while and there's no way joepa will retire willingly but the university I think has to do something. it's beyond sad seeing him like he is.
Please let me know if I need to add him to my 2011 death list or if this is just some alzheimers shtein.
Wow, this is not what I expected to read today. That being said he is definitely in bad shape and he has gotten really bad this past year. Did anyone take notice after games how much more security was around him this past season.
Also I hope the rumors are true and that they are going outside the program. The only guy I would like to see from the current staff get the job is LJ.
i like lj but he isnt big time college head coach material
plus they definitely need an offensive minded coach....i know they somewhat advanced out of the dark ages when galen hall came on board but they still need to forever drop their three yards and a cloud of dust reputation...they need an innovative progressive offensive mind that will attract real athletes and make penn state a place where talent wants to go....mike leach would have been perfect
No way PSU would hire Leach. Peterson or Mullen would be great. And who knows with LJ he hasn't even been a coordinator. I like him purely from a recruiting standpoint, though Ron Zook is a great recruiter too.
why would you want al golden?
Quote from: MDS on December 22, 2010, 12:46:57 PM
why would you want al golden?
I think there would have been a real good chance of that happening if any of this really ends up happening.
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on December 22, 2010, 12:16:27 PM
No way PSU would hire Leach. Peterson or Mullen would be great. And who knows with LJ he hasn't even been a coordinator. I like him purely from a recruiting standpoint, though Ron Zook is a great recruiter too.
i think the notion that lj is a great recruiter is way overblown
he might be the only good recruiter on the staff but where is his greatness in recruiting.....cause he got a few guys from md where he is a legend?...i think hes a nice piece to have on a coaching staff but i dont see him being a great recruiter from the head coaching position of a big time college program
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on December 22, 2010, 12:48:56 PM
Quote from: MDS on December 22, 2010, 12:46:57 PM
why would you want al golden?
I think there would have been a real good chance of that happening if any of this really ends up happening.
3-4 years down the line or like next month? cause within 3 years goldens stock will be lower than munsons iq.
I meant if Golden was still available and they do go through a coaching change.
Where is the greatness in recruiting? The fact they were a down and out program and for the most part over the last 5-6 years have had top 25 classes. If you can get a kid to come there when the HC has one foot in the grave you are doing something right.
has he been the lead recruiter on a single big time recruit from outside maryland....i dont know the answer to this im asking...but i cant remember any
also hes been at penn state since the mid 90's...its not he came in in 2002 and turned everything around
i think he does things right...i just dont think hes big time
The Golden Standard
Looks like the Paterno family flew down for Christmas Eve. (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/bowls10/news/story?id=5947685)
is it wrong of me that everytime i see a reply made in this thread i hope that its going to say paterno died or at the very least had a debilitating stroke
Depends who you think the next coach will be.
there's info thats been coming out that he may have had a series of mini-strokes.
he hasn't had vinegar strokes in years though
Are you sure? Maybe he just wasn't able to catch them on film.
Joe still isn't leaving (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/bowls10/news/story?id=5963322)
Quote"I'm being selfish when I say I hate to see guys like [Urban Meyer] leave the game. To me, I'm different than Urban. I've got people calling up saying: 'When the hell are you getting out?' "
When laughter in the room subsided, Paterno continued.
"I don't know. People think I'm going to quit this year or next year. I haven't even thought of it," he said. "I honest to goodness have not thought of it."
why doesn't he just die already
Hard not to love Joe Pa, but he is really holding the program back at this point.
Actually at this point, how much coaching is he actually doing? You gotta figure the staff has a lot to do with the game day plans.....so his old ass isn't screwing that up, and at the same time he's at least got some recruitment power to his name
he needs to go. the image of an old geezer walking around in depends on the sidelines is not something that inspires.
Quote from: Munson on December 28, 2010, 04:22:10 PM
Actually at this point, how much coaching is he actually doing? You gotta figure the staff has a lot to do with the game day plans.....so his old ass isn't screwing that up, and at the same time he's at least got some recruitment power to his name
Its not that its because of the uncertainty surrounding the position, when was the last time that Tom Bradley's name was mentioned for HC jobs outside of the program. Supposedly he was considered at Pitt and interviewed at Temple.
i see munson is being dumber than ever huh?
you got to admit, 17 year old ignorant high school kids and dying to play for an 95 year old italian man in the middle of pennsylvania
and theres no way anyone is using paterno as a negative recruiting tool against penn state
and im sure names like tom bradley, al golden and greg schiano are great back up plans
just off the top who can penn st even poach that wouldnt be able to match the money? wisconsin dude? chip kelly? they 100% have to go big name when joe pa finally dies
i think they go in house or alum....let him fail.....then go after a big name....i dont know how anyone can follow paterno and/or turn that program around in four or five years of a contract...so i think they let some scab fail then go big time
you really think the alums are gonna stand pat while they sink even further into mediocrity? is jim delany even gonna allow this?
they have to at least make a play at chip kelly or jim harbaugh (if hes not in sf) or something. tcu dude, boise cat--one of those even.
penn state alums dont give a farg.....this isnt a sec program...or even ohio st or michigan....most pennsyltuckians care way more about graduation rates and doing things the right way than they do about winning....otherwise joe would have been gone 10 years ago
then why do you like this team if they are so clearly not interested in winning titles
in fact why do you like the bcs because the big 10 is essentially the power broker in that
i dont like the bcs...i like bowls
i am anti playoff not pro bcs
ive liked penn state since i was a kid....am i gonna stop liking the sixers cause ed snider doesnt care about them?
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 29, 2010, 02:12:34 AM
i dont like the bcs...i like bowls
i am anti playoff not pro bcs
since i just death to the bcs...im in the mood
you do realize there can be playoffs AND bowls?
Quote from: MDS on December 29, 2010, 02:14:03 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 29, 2010, 02:12:34 AM
i dont like the bcs...i like bowls
i am anti playoff not pro bcs
since i just death to the bcs...im in the mood
you do realize there can be playoffs AND bowls?
yeah i dont want a playoff period
that doesnt make any sense
so you dont want tcu, oregon and auburn to systematically decide who is better you want this all to be determined by preseason rankings holding and coaches/writers polls?
Quote from: MDS on December 29, 2010, 02:19:47 AM
so you dont want tcu, oregon and auburn to systematically decide who is better
no
Quote from: MDS on December 29, 2010, 02:19:47 AM
you want this all to be determined by preseason rankings holding and coaches/writers polls?
no by post season ap and coaches polls...same way it was done for the 100 years before the bcs
lol what?
that is one of the most backwards, awful things ive ever heard in my entire life. you are the only person on earth who wants to revert back to old, broken system that rarely if ever actually awarded the national title to the correct team.
i cant believe that. so you dont even auburn and oregon playing. oregon should play wisconsin in the rose bowl and auburn should play whoever in the sugar bowl. tcu would not even be in a real bowl because they arent in a power conference. if everyone wins its up to coaches who dont watch the games and crusty old sports writers to determine who is better.
listen to yourself
i love it that way
to this day i still get in arguments over who was better in 94...penn state or nebraska...its what makes the sport so great
in college basketball people remember gay little cinderfellas like george washington making a final four but dont even remember who won it all that year....thats fun
you are the only person who thinks like this. in the world. taking stupid meaningless arguments about who was better in 1994 over, you know, them actually playing.
in fact the bcs makes college football worse..it prevents good teams from playing each other not only in the playoffs but in non conference since quality wins and location of those wins means nothing
and i remember who won national title games...but cinderellas are what college sports are all about.
they do actually play...for 12 weeks they play...
you wanna be in the title hunt in cfb?
lose less games
cbb plays a totally meaningless and worthless four months of games and then has a tournament to decide it all...and thats fine....but i much prefer cfb's system to cbb's
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 29, 2010, 02:07:41 AM
penn state alums dont give a farg.....this isnt a sec program...or even ohio st or michigan....most pennsyltuckians care way more about graduation rates and doing things the right way than they do about winning....otherwise joe would have been gone 10 years ago
I have to agree with MDS they will probably go after a big time coach. I think the graduation rate thing is way overblown. The only reason Joe Pa wasn't ran out is because he is the reason PSU is what it is today. There is way too much money tied into that program for them to hire some scab. I don't think it is a coincidence that Bradley's name was mentioned for other vacancies.
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 29, 2010, 09:57:56 AM
they do actually play...for 12 weeks they play...
no they dont, unless its in conference and unless its usc
florida hasnt played a non conference games outside the state in a decade
sec teams routinely load up with 2 AA teams in non conference
penn state rarely if ever challenges itself outside of the big 10 and on top of that the big 10 blows
there is no incentive to play difficult non conference games, and with this 12+ team leagues often times the good teams dont play each other every season unless its a rivalry like osy/michigan or bama/auburn
everyones season boils down to 2-3 games and avoiding an upset on other weeks
if you have an 8 or 16 team tourney and offer home field to the top seed until the title game, id say that will be a pretty good reason to keep playing. 11 auto bids + 5 at larges. dont think that will dilute the product that much.
Quoteyou wanna be in the title hunt in cfb?
lose less games
well tcu didnt lose any games and they are playing a boring big 10 team in the rose bowl
auburn didnt lose any games in 04 and they got jack shtein
boise and tcu didnt lose any games last year and they played each other in the reject fiesta bowl
the whole thing is a farce and you know it
Quotecbb plays a totally meaningless and worthless four months of games and then has a tournament to decide it all...and thats fine....but i much prefer cfb's system to cbb's
in a way, yes and in a way no
generally you need to have a top 3 seed in cbb to win a title...so if you check out during the regular season or wait until the conference tourney to turn it on you can still get in but your path will be much too hard to overcome. for teams that arent exactly title contenders, simply getting into the party is good enough. and being one of 64 alive out of 310 teams >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> being one of 72 alive out of 110 teams. i.e. making the san diego credit country ponsiednta bullshtein bowl means dick while someone being a 15 seed or 16 seed is actually pretty cool.
if you honestly dont want to see something like 8 seed boise @ 1 seed auburn and 2 seed oregon vs. 7 seed ohio state then i dont know what to tell you.
All this thread needs is more Munson and probably a McNabb reference or two, and it will have really become awesome.
Quote from: MDS on December 29, 2010, 12:46:30 PM
well tcu didnt lose any games and they are playing a boring big 10 team in the rose bowl
auburn didnt lose any games in 04 and they got jack shtein
boise and tcu didnt lose any games last year and they played each other in the reject fiesta bowl
who cares about tcu and boise state....they deserve to be in the title game about as much as butler deserved to be in the bb title game last year
i dont care about cinderella...i dont want to see teams like that in an awful final
until oregon or auburn beats them down im not going to call them awful
how do you know tcu isnt good
how do you know boise isnt good
and that doesnt explain how auburn was left out in 04...they are in your precious power conference jim delany wannabe
how do i know?...ive seen them play
boise lost to nevada for god sakes...get the farg outta here with that shtein
and tcu would get worked by oregon or auburn
if tcu is your argument for a cfb tourney and to destroy the reg. season greatness that exists today then you better come up with a new one
if theres a year with three truly deserving undefeated teams then you have an argument in what you are saying...i might even agree to an and one in years like that...but a cfb tourney would be about as dumb as it gets...the cfb tourney already exists...its called the regular season
oh. ok.
you saw tcu play and determined that they werent as good as oregon and auburn, so they shouldnt feel slighted by the system that they cant play for the title. igy from cf knows that arent as good. ill tell gary patterson, im sure he'll understand.
its not like upsets ever happen, i mean the eagles just destroyed the vikings last night.
who the farg is gary patterson?
the coach of tcu
good for him
how can you be so right about the wire and be so wrong about this
this is the first time ive ever been in this thread...and the last.
farging bullshtein flag on a great 3rd down pass breakup could lose the game for the Nitts. BULL fargING shtein
It was a good call, they played so bad there if nothing to complain about
lol at how bad Mcgloin is
Quote from: SD on January 01, 2011, 04:44:35 PM
lol at how bad Mcgloin is
Seriously. He can make some big plays because he's willing to take risks, but that's the nicest thing I can say about him. Bad things:
Average arm strength
Thinks he's more agile/able to escape than he is
Stares down his primary receiver more often than not
White
shocking a big ten team would play a ma travesty over a four star athlete qb
What's scary is he threw 4 picks but easily could have thrown 7
Like I said in the college football thread, they should have appeased Devlin and played him so he'd stay. Now they're stuck with this.
devlin is water under the bridge.....the disgrace now is how the farg do you play mcgloin over boldin and how do you let newsome transfer because you let a farging pos like mm pass him on the depth chart
What do you expect? Penn State is a second rate institution with second rate students and alumni.
Quote from: King Cole on January 01, 2011, 10:03:36 PM
What do you expect? The Heat are a second rate institution with second rate players and coaches.
Well that much is obvious considering out of all the .500 or above teams in the NBA they have the worst record in the entire league against other above .500 teams. Also they have the second worst opponent record in the NBA.
The amount of money I've been making betting against them and Penn State all year is proof of this. Unfortunately, betting against PSU doesn't carry on until September, when I have much more time to make a killing against that mickey mouse team in Miami.
yeah that wasnt funny when you tried it six months ago
Should the Big 10 even remain a BCS conference? What a joke.
jim delany told igy that the "amazing" regular season is what makes college football so good...so yes, they should.
I don't understand how McGloin wasn't pulled he looked awful the whole game. He is the main reason the team lost. The defense was getting screwed with having to defend short fields.
Quote from: King Cole on January 01, 2011, 10:24:16 PM
Well that much is obvious considering out of all the .500 or above teams in the NBA they have the worst record in the entire league against other above .500 teams. Also they have the second worst opponent record in the NBA.
The amount of money I've been making betting against them and Penn State all year is proof of this. Unfortunately, betting against PSU doesn't carry on until September, when I have much more time to make a killing against that mickey mouse team in Miami.
Will someone please disconnect this farging retard?
Pitt may kick the tires on Tom Bradley.
Rob Bolden is seeking a transfer. Maybe Paul Jones can beat out McGloin
unbelievable
that program is a complete joke
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 02, 2011, 07:13:06 PM
unbelievable
that program is a complete joke
Joe Pa really is ruining the program up there. Its sad to say but its true
who is rob bolden and would he want to come to temple
Quote from: MDS on January 02, 2011, 08:19:21 PM
who is rob bolden and would he want to come to temple
#2 Dual-threat QB recruit last year, will be true sophomore next year
and
absolutely not
but Joe has the right to decide when he retires!
farging horseshtein.
Quote from: FastFreddie on January 02, 2011, 08:26:43 PM
Quote from: MDS on January 02, 2011, 08:19:21 PM
who is rob bolden and would he want to come to temple
#2 Dual-threat QB recruit last year, will be true sophomore next year
and
absolutely not
can you imagine sitting out a year to play at temple....me either
Bolden's dad said basically yesterday sealed the deal with him transferring. He was already considering it strongly but that just solidified it.
its one thing if they passed him over for paul jones or newsome...but farging mcgloin?....its just baffling
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 02, 2011, 09:17:08 PM
its one thing if they passed him over for paul jones or newsome...but farging mcgloin?....its just baffling
Bolden's Dad said it would have been different if they even just gave Rob a some chances throughout the games. I get McGloin gave them a spark at first but the dude thinks he has an arm like Favre and he really has one like Josh Heupel
If only college football had the Rooney rule
Quote from: SD on January 02, 2011, 10:03:26 PM
If only college football had the Rooney rule
or euthanasia
Apparently Joe Pa said today that Tom Bradley should be reconsidered for the Pitt job. And I agree completely with igy euthanasia should be an option.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 02, 2011, 08:41:47 PM
Quote from: FastFreddie on January 02, 2011, 08:26:43 PM
Quote from: MDS on January 02, 2011, 08:19:21 PM
who is rob bolden and would he want to come to temple
#2 Dual-threat QB recruit last year, will be true sophomore next year
and
absolutely not
can you imagine sitting out a year to play at temple....me either
coach dazz will convince him
youll see
I hate two-QB systems, so I like that they were decisive about the move to McGloin when he showed the ability and willingness to push the ball downfield. It's just obvious that he's either uncoachable or that they did an awful job of coaching him on his tendencies to telegraph throws and throw into coverage instead of avoiding the big mistakes.
It's a knee-jerk decision for Bolden to want to transfer after the game, unless the coaching staff made it clear that it was McGloin's job to lose in 2011. THEN, I have a huge problem with it. Because while Bolden clearly wasn't ready this year, they should have been verbally fellating him at every opportunity and letting him know he was the future, whether Matty Non-Ice had eligibility left or not.
I guess I'm glad that they still have Paul Jones. But this is a step back for the program losing a guy as talented as Rob Bolden. What else is new, though?
mccgloin absolutely sucks....going to a talentless walk on when you had three other potenttial stud qb's was unbelievably stupid....if they went with bolden and newsome transferred then fine...you can defend alienating a four star qb by going with a younger four star qb...but you dont risk losing top prospects to go with a pos like mccgloin...and because they did they got burned by losing two top recruits
Losing Newsome makes no difference to me, losing Bolden is just bad though. McGloin has good games against some of the worst defenses in CFB, looks like we might as well get used to him being the QB for at least next season. Hopefully after that Joe Pa is gone.
Newsome had opportunities and generally looked bad. McGloin obviously does suck, but Bolden was not ready to play this year, so McGloin probably did give them a slightly better chance of winning for a brief stint there.
Really would have preferred Bolden didn't go, but it sounds like it's a done deal. So, at least they have Jones who will be two years behind Matt McInterception in eligibility. Hopefully they either give Jones an opportunity to win the job. Because holy shtein is McGloin an infuriating and untalented piece of shtein. The nicest thing I can say about him is that I wouldn't rather have Zack Mills.
it would be a much worse situation if joe wasnt a short timer but still its never a good thing when multiple top recruits at the qb position are bailing because someone like mccgloin got chosen ahead of them...and they arent just bailing but they are publically speaking out against the coaching staff...its bad enough that their coach is senile and half dead but now opposing schools have even more ammo to recruit against penn state...all joe is doing now is making the hole for the next coach that much deeper and ensuring that penn state will be in the shteinter for that many more years after he leaves
And that is the major issue, if he left today I think they would be able to recover quickly. But they can't afford back to back zesty recruiting classes. I actually don't hold Joe Pa responsible of for this. He is a senile old man, the University should step in and do something about it.
i agree to a certain extent but who wants to be the president and or ad that fired joe paterno...thats a lot of pressure
his stubborn ass needs to realize its over...he got his all time wins record...now its time to look out for the program and university that he cares so deeply bout
You're overblowing that aspect. The top schools always get more quarterbacks than they can use, and some (hopefully the lesser ones and not the better ones) will transfer. Frankly, I think it's on Bolden and his daddy that they made this decision at this time, putting so much weight on the bowl game. He was simply not ready to play this year and should have been redshirted but got an opportunity because Newsome wasn't stepping up as a dual threat (really not much of a passer) and McGloin is a low ceiling guy. But Bolden was playing like a guy who really needed some more time to prepare off the field, so he got benched as much for his own good as for the team's.
Again, I think I've made it pretty clear that I hate McGloin and that his performance in the Outback Bowl was one of the worst I've ever seen by any quarterback. I just think you're overblowing the long-term damage to the program from a guy transferring. It happens. Say all the nice things you want about Bolden, but he was not very good this year at all. If he came in and played more like Terrelle Pryor than Wally Richardson, I might think this is the coaching staff's fault. And Pryor wasn't even that great as a freshman, but way better than Bolden.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 03, 2011, 02:25:36 PM
i agree to a certain extent but who wants to be the president and or ad that fired joe paterno...thats a lot of pressure
his stubborn ass needs to realize its over...he got his all time wins record...now its time to look out for the program and university that he cares so deeply bout
Seems to be working out for FSU this year.
They made it to the ACC title game and beat a legitimate SEC team in a bowl game. I can't imagine anyone expected anything better from FSU than they got this year. Not a bad season for a 1st year head coach.
Would Joe quitting ASAP be better for the team? Probably. But does Bolden transferring strengthen that argument significantly? Not really.
what about the 4 or 5 other guys who are about to transfer?
florida state recruits itself and is in the middle of a gold mine of talent where during bad recruting year they can accientily fall into more talent than penn state gets in a great year...but even with that people were successful in their negative recruiting against bowden
now imagine the field day people are having with paterno then pile on this qb debacle and youll see some devatstaingly bad classes coming into penn state over the next few years...especially at the qb position....they arent gonna get shtein there until paterno leaves and probably not even then...unless they make a super hire of some kind...you cant underestimate how bad it is for top players to transfer from a school because of the coaches....especially at a school like penn state that struggles to get top tier athletes at the qb position to begin with...thats why this hurts even more...darryl clark finally attracted some of these guys to the school...and in one unbelievably stupid decision the staff has erased all that good karma
Quote from: SunMo on January 03, 2011, 02:42:51 PM
what about the 4 or 5 other guys who are about to transfer?
Depends. Are they any good? If they're white linebackers, I'm ok with that.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 03, 2011, 02:43:54 PM
darryl clark finally attracted some of these guys to the school...and in one unbelievably stupid decision the staff has erased all that good karma
I have good news, then. Clark said via twitter that he's going to try to talk Bolden out of it. (This is actually true, lolz)
Conlin is a good writer. (http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/colleges/penn_state/20110103_Bill_Conlin__McGloin_s_storybook_season_ends_badly.html)
Glimmer of hope? (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=5987457)
Sounds like his pops is all about a transfer but his moms is like, "Best weigh your options first, fool!"
im sure joe will welcome him back with open arms
(http://assets.espn.go.com/i/columnists/rittenberg_adam_m.jpg)
I was confused and thought that Bolden was the more big-time recruit than Jones. At least I was wrong about that?
Really they were about the same....both were 4 star recruits. Jones was rated higher by most.
jones was a five star guy by at least one of rivals or scout....cant remember which one
Jones was generally regarded as the #2 best QB in last year's recruiting class. Bolden was around 8th. We all assumed that Bolden was better because he wasn't redshirted, but it seems more like Jones was redshirted for purely academic reasons. He's gained 20 pounds of muscle and is ready to roll in 2011.
Yes, I'm a homer, but all of that is true. Still would prefer Jones and Bolden compete for the job and McGloin gets relegated to either 3rd string or hell, but what do I know?
no one assumed bolden was better...jones was the better recruit...but it was a negligible difference and doesnt at all change the fact that it would be a terrible thing to lose a bolden and newsome within a weeks time
college qb's massive fail all the time...especially under penn state tutelege...so the more you have the better chances you will end up with a good one
morelli was a five star guy btw
Yeah, but Joe doesn't usually open up the competition much. He will probably stubbornly have McGloin penciled in as the starter unless Jones and/or Bolden repeatedly offer to shine his shoes between now and August.
Quote from: FastFreddie on January 04, 2011, 03:38:55 PM
Jones was generally regarded as the #2 best QB in last year's recruiting class. Bolden was around 8th. We all assumed that Bolden was better because he wasn't redshirted, but it seems more like Jones was redshirted for purely academic reasons. He's gained 20 pounds of muscle and is ready to roll in 2011.
Yes, I'm a homer, but all of that is true. Still would prefer Jones and Bolden compete for the job and McGloin gets relegated to either 3rd string or hell, but what do I know?
Unfortunately more than Joe Pa
Paterno refusing to sign Bolden's release papers. Ha, this is getting bad.
Entertaining read: JoePa's year-end presser (http://www.gopsusports.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/010411aaa.html)
QuoteJoe, do you expect any of your juniors to proceed and enter the NFL?
"I would think that we might have one or two kids leave. I was shocked last year when we lost the big kid [Aaron Maybin] to the first round (2009). His dad said to me, "he's going to leave, he's going to go pro." I said, "geez, you've got to be kidding." I said he wouldn't even get drafted. First round draft pick, got 15 million bucks. I said I don't make that in a week, it takes me at least six months (laughter)."
i feel likes its not funny anymore and its just sad
sorry?
Why would it be bad for a Penn State hater? P.S. Aaron Maybin proved through his play that Joe might have been right.
Quote from: MDS on January 05, 2011, 01:13:47 PM
i feel likes its not funny anymore and its just sad
sorry?
You're right
actually its hilarious if you arent a penn state fan
i hate penn state but this whole thing is just awful
i would much prefer a situation like michigan where they hire some loser hick from west virginia to save the program and he runs it into the ground even further
a senile old man who cant see anymore and doesnt know what day it is still coaching a major d1 program is just pathetic. youd just wish hed die at this point so this all ends.
They still beat Temple.
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on January 02, 2011, 10:24:28 PMApparently Joe Pa said today that Tom Bradley should be reconsidered for the Pitt job.
and it sounds like he got it, though he's denying reports
Penn State's recruiting class is now AWESOME (http://rivals.yahoo.com/footballrecruiting/football/recruiting/player-Ryan-Nowicki-108338)
oh my
you know when penn state gets a player from that far away he sucks
Also I think he looks like he could be related to you.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 06, 2011, 07:10:11 AM
oh my
you know when penn state gets a player from that far away he sucks
Maybe but he had a lot of offers from some pretty decent schools.
And Pitt says they haven't offered the job to anybody.
Quote from: FastFreddie on January 05, 2011, 01:47:04 PM
P.S. Aaron Maybin proved through his play that Joe might have been right.
Maybin unlikely to make the team next year (http://www.buffalonews.com/sports/bills-nfl/article302290.ece)
I'm just sayin'.
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on January 06, 2011, 01:43:50 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 06, 2011, 07:10:11 AM
oh my
you know when penn state gets a player from that far away he sucks
Maybe but he had a lot of offers from some pretty decent schools.
And Pitt says they haven't offered the job to anybody.
'decent' school means he sucks and knows he would be lucky to ever start there...penn state on the other hand has five open OL positions available right now
3 stars for an OL isn't that bad. And the way PSU's oline has played over the last decade they can use all the bodies they can get.
Tom Bradley will be interviewing at UConn Sunday.
Bolden returning to PSU :
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/colleges/20110108_Report__Bolden_to_return_to_PSU.html
Can McGloin please suffer an injury now? Bolden vs. Jones!
Also, PSU Bball with the nice upset over MSU today...
mcgloin might as well transfer to delaware...hes done...bolden wouldnt have come back without some sort of promise...shtein even jones should be worried at this point....he has to beat out boldin and beat him out by a lot if hes gonna start next year
4-star OT Donovan Smith from MD chose PSU at the All-American Bowl today
Outback Bowl (Penn State-Florida) records 7.05 rating on ABC. Highest rated game on ABC this year and highest-rated non-BCS bowl in 3 years.
This year's recruiting class is turning out to be... well, at least not nearly as bad as feared (http://www.ydr.com/psu/ci_17060089).
first back to back wins over ranked teams since 1954
9/17/2011
it will happen
Quote from: MDS on January 13, 2011, 06:45:42 PM
9/17/2011
it will happen
Penn State will cover a 17 point spread?
20 pts....remember penn state gets the three when they play "at temple"
i submit that it will be 75/25 psu fans not 80/20 like it was last time
90/10 like always...but either way temple is getting the home field advantage pts
Giving OSU a fight. Nice first half. Also, I have them at +19.
4-star DT Ishaq Williams was 98% done deal to PSU.....then out of nowhere Notre Dame stole him overnight
he was nowhere near 98% to penn state unless you went on a penn state board...he never even visited penn state
in fact two weeks ago syracuse of all teams as the favorite...it was a fluid situation that ended up going notre dames way
Bummer. Nice effort by the hoops team tonight. Sullinger was just too much.
Just received a commitment from 4 star athlete Bill Belton out of NJ.
Not sure how great any "ATHLETE" can be with a 4.6 40, but they beat out a gelding final year head coach and Brent Celek's alma mater for him, so clearly all the top schools wanted him.
Thats what he is listed at....kind of surprising he runs in the 4.55 and 4.6 range and is considered a 4 star athlete. Supposedly he will play WR but a move to defense is a possibility.
That single 4-star commitment "vaulted" them from 7th in the Big Ten to 4th in recruiting for this year (or from 8th to 5th if you include Nebraska).
Per Rivals, they now have the #35 recruiting class in the country, which is a hell of an improvement from where they were about a month ago but still not going to cut it if they want any hope of making up ground on Ohio State.
I believe at this point they only have 3-4 scholarships left. Supposedly Deion Barnes is a virtual lock......as far as recruiting a HS kid can be I guess.
4th in big ten recruiting combined with their player development = 5th or 6th in the conference
sounds about right
Wish I could disagree.
nicetowns deion barnes in IN
No surprise there.
Ha, says the guy who claimed Ishaq went to ND out of nowhere...
wasnt that easy?
Drunk's just a BigEd clone.
:-D except for I know sthein.
Quote from: FastFreddie on January 05, 2011, 09:40:25 PM
Penn State's recruiting class is now AWESOME (http://rivals.yahoo.com/footballrecruiting/football/recruiting/player-Ryan-Nowicki-108338)
Apparently USC and Michigan have tried to put on a late full-court press for this kid. Sounds like he is still solid with PSU. Michigan apparently tried to get him to make an official visit and he declined.
luckily usc is on parole and michigan might have a worse coach than paterno
not that id care if they lost him
Another ranked team can't survive the trip to State College!
The lone surprise for PSU today is first-team all-Maryland safety Adrian Amos. Could be a stud at Hero.
Shawn Oakman just signed on DNL to PSU lol
Why is that a LOL? He'd been a verbal commit for a while now.
It's an lol because Barkaan tried to make it a big deal out of it like "you havn't made a decision yet omg!"
QuoteBattle, a four-year starting guard, had three assists to become the first player in conference history to reach 2,000 career points, 500 rebounds and 500 assists. He now has 2,079 points, 594 rebounds and 500 assists.
Not bad. Now all they need are some minor miracles and they can get to the tourney.
joe pos is writing a book about joe pa
IN
Wow Jerry Sandusky. Not cool.
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41ZXRXMOp7L.jpg)
lol
Is this some sort of Joe Gibbs sex story?
I guess he didn't want to end his career with a shutout after all.
I have a feeling this story is going to get real ugly. Hopefully the University wasn't involved in any sort of cover up.
hopefully joe pa will be implicated in some way
I'm not sure how to take that.
question:
in 1998 he was showering with a 12 year old boy and may or may not have touched him.
why is this not a bigger deal? HE WAS SHOWERING WITH A 12 YEAR OLD.
you want wolf blitzer to lead with it?
its jerry sandusky....im surprised its as big a deal as it is
the creepiest thing is that he started camps for youth athletes. i guess he got sick of hunting and brought them to him
Didn't he also adopt a sthein load of kids?
2013
Aug. 31.....vs. Syracuse (at New Meadowlands Stadium, East Rutherford, N.J.)
Sept. 7.....vs. Eastern Michigan
Sept. 14.....vs. Virginia
Sept. 21.....vs. Kent State
Sept. 28.....Bye
Oct. 5.....at Indiana
Oct. 12.....vs. Michigan
Oct. 19.....Bye
Oct. 26.....at Ohio State
Nov. 2.....vs. Illinois
Nov. 9.....at Minnesota
Nov. 16.....vs. Purdue
Nov. 23.....vs. Nebraska
Nov. 30.....at Wisconsin
TBD.....Big Ten title game
2014
Aug. 30.....vs. Temple
Sept. 6.....vs. Akron
Sept. 13.....at Rutgers
Sept. 20.....TBA
Sept. 27.....vs. Minnesota
Oct. 4.....Bye
Oct. 11.....at Nebraska
Oct. 18.....vs. Indiana
Oct. 25.....at Michigan
Nov. 1.....at Purdue
Nov. 8.....Bye
Nov. 15.....vs. Ohio State
Nov. 22.....at Illinois
Nov. 29.....vs. Wisconsin
TBD.....Big Ten title game
is it possible for joe pa is schedule a tough non conference game?
this is why the system of college football blows
they can probably take the Big Ten Title game off of there
Why? They may want to get together to watch it as a team.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVyRkm0kXbM&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yl7POcfh9RU&feature=player_embedded
DeChellis left for Navy
Took a pay cut too. Rumor has it that Tim Curley (PSU athletic director) essentially treats the basketball program like a redheaded stepchild, and there was no mutual interest for DeChellis to sign an extension.
thats a rumor?
It's a more credible one than you having carnal knowledge of a woman.
Duquesne HC to interview at PSU (http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/11151/1150289-143.stm)
LOL - Larry Brown was briefly a candidate? WTF?
PSU/Pitt is back (http://www.gopsusports.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/061411aaa.html)
2016 @ Heinz Field
2017 @ Beaver Stadium
im trying to go to bama penn state and was looking on stubhub for tix....fourth row 50 yardline are $12,000 each
in for two
If he's related to Marty, I'm OUT (http://pennstate.247sports.com/Article/Lions-land-a-QB-31963)
I assume that is sarcasm....He was originally committed to Stanford but changed after Harbaugh left.
Yeah, I know it's his son. Kind of crazy, because Marty is like 5'3".
this will not end well
Mohrninweg for HEISMAN!!
(http://www.examiner.com/images/blog/EXID6668/images/zackmills_000.jpg)
That's, sadly, exactly the guy that came to mind.
i was reading GQ at the dentist this morning and they had the top 10 douchiest colleges. PSU was #2. Holla.
Our representation on :CF is evidence enough of that.
Kevin Newsome left the team, again.
95 rose bowl is on btn
http://blogs.phillymag.com/the_philly_post/2011/08/08/joe-paterno-injured-practice/
why doesn't that old farg just die already
They have landed three four star recruits since Wed.
I don't think I have ever been more certain of a PSU team getting blown out. I want to get excited for this game I just can't seem to.
thats a killer penalty
mccarron is awful and should keep penn state in the game....its really up to him as to how this game goes....because i would bet almost anything penn state doesnt have another scoring drive of over 25 yards in this game
mccarron good = bama blowout
mccaron bad with no TO = bama low scoring close win
mccaron bad with TO's = penn state huge upset
guess that answers the question....alabama probably already has enough pts the win the game
btw did you see that there is EIGHT players on bamas defense that are in the top 150 pro prospects in the country....farging ridiculous
Mccarron is alright. Bama's OLine, which is supposed to be a strength, underwhelmed me last week and again today.
why didnt i bet on this game
i bet but not as much as i should have
any game where you know one teams ceiling is ten pts should be bet
I bet on Bama but I thought it was a trap line so I didn't bet as much as I would have otherwise.
Same with tcu. How were they only 2 pt favorites at AFA?
they gave up 50 to baylor last week and wesley isnt playing
Hard to evaluate a team playing against Griffin. Its an entirely different offense than they will normally see. Not saying they should've given up 50, but its hard to take much from that game.
50 is 50....its not like they gave up 35
I'm not saying Bolden is great but Mcgloin sucks and shouldn't be on the field. QBs need reps to get rhythm. Not saying PSU wins the game but maybe they keep it close. The two turnovers were crucial.
At least they have Temple to smack around next week.
Quote from: SD on September 10, 2011, 07:10:04 PM
I'm not saying Bolden is great but Mcgloin sucks and shouldn't be on the field. QBs need reps to get rhythm. Not saying PSU wins the game but maybe they keep it close. The two turnovers were crucial.
tody was men vs boys....the talent gap btwn the two teams wouldnt allow it to stay close
agree on the qb's why the farg are they splitting time....the thing with bolden is that he might be great...but how will we know if he doesnt play...it would be one thing if they had a great qb to split time with him but mcgloin is a straight up pos...not his fault his talent level is nill and he was a walk on...its totally on the coaches for playing him
At least with Bolden he can move the chains and teams have to respect his ability to run. Mcgloin is a drone who is an interception waiting to happen.
and bolden was a big time recruit for them....who the farg is mcgloin....how many horrible qb's have they thrown the job to for two three even four years over the past 15 years that weve had to sit thru and bolden cant even get one year to himself?
Better than last year's game! Go State!
so i was just watching the psu highlights on sportcenter
like this is for real? joe paterno is still coaching? officially, unofficially, whatever. this continues to happen.
hes this old italian man in a 65 year old sport coat blabbering and pointing with a cane at a pep rally on friday night, then he sits in the press box as "the coach" because he cant possibly stand for 2 hours without dying.
how does this happen? cant someone, anyone, tell him to just give it up? shouldnt he be going to sleep at 8pm after watching jeopardy and wheel of fortune?
im dead serious temple really might win next week.
Quote from: MDS on September 11, 2011, 03:02:17 AM
im dead serious temple really might win next week.
not a chance
The QB rotation thing is all farging Joe Pa. I love the dude but christ its more than time for him to go. He said at halftime yesterday he wanted to see more McGloin. He is the only one that likes the kid.
McGloin is really bad. Still staring down receivers. His pocket presence is ok, and he's not afraid to make any throw - but he SHOULD be afraid to make some of them. If they keep throwing him out there and pulling Bolden to the sideline, they get what they deserve.
Whats bad is I think Bolden sucks too, dude looks like he has made zero progression.
bolden very well may suck but lets find out....he at least has measureables and some sort of talent and the staff put in much work to get him to psu....why the farg are they not finding out what he can do....anthony morelli sucked and bolden may end up being him but they gave the ball to morelli for two years no questions asked
Bissinger on a PSU rant right now. Says "bet your spouse" Al Golden coaching Nitts in 2 years.
Who coaches them next year? Isn't Joe's contract up at the end of this season? I can't imagine him staying after this season. But then again I have been thinking that for the last 10 years.
Quote from: FastFreddie on September 12, 2011, 07:34:23 AM
Bissinger on a PSU rant right now. Says "bet your spouse" Al Golden coaching Nitts in 2 years.
I know it's a pipe dream but I'm still hoping it's Cowher.
PSU is in trouble. dem city boys came to play
Phew.
i cant figure out who is worse.......temple for losing to the worst penn state team ever or penn state for barely beating a pathetic college football team
Matt McGloin needs to die.
temple needs to disband the program
or at least get a better qb than some nj guido with a shoulder tattoo
Quote from: MDS on September 17, 2011, 08:09:47 PM
temple needs to disband the program
or at least get a better qb than some nj guido with a shoulder tattoo
LOL....you were bitching when he was on the bench. You got what you wished for. Deal with it.
2nd longest winning streak to Notre Dame/Navy
Quote from: FastFreddie on September 18, 2011, 06:20:55 AM
2nd longest winning streak to Notre Dame/Navy
you have to be the only psu fan secretly proud with that display
Doesn't seem to be anything secretive about it.
I'm not proud of the win at all. Any loss would have been an utter embarrassment, and they avoided that. Neat. Let's move on.
Rumor: With 'Cuse and Pitt heading to the ACC, PSU may look to re-align there as well.
another made up rumor has uconn going to the acc and either rutgers or temple being the 16th team
or rutgers might go to the big 10
or the acc holds on to the 16 spot and waits out notre dame
college sports is such a farging joke. where is that ncaa apologist havas to defend this
cbb is pretty bad....college football is by far the best sport on the planet
so you like watching poor blacks in the prime of their athletic prowess perform for free in front of thousands of people for the financial betterment of a handful of rich white dudes
interesting.
actually i farging love it
if my lady allows
which is most of the time
every saturday i start with erin on gameday at 9am and watch straight thru till 1am (if theres a late game)
its magnificient
have you read the atlantic piece on college sports?
none of this makes you feel dirty? all the money the schools and the ncaa make and all the risk the kids put forth and all they get in return is a sham of an education?
if you are asking if im going to stop watching because of that then the answer is a resounding no
i still watch and its still exciting, but its definitely hanging over the head of the sport and it gets even worse at bowl time or ncaa tournament time when the cash is just disgustingly flowing everywhere except for the players
as a miles brand fanboy im sure you see this
yeah i just dont care enough i guess
republican
thats me
Vote today! (http://espn.go.com/blog/bigten/post/_/id/33658/poll-should-psu-stay-in-b1g-or-go-to-acc)
knew they were gonna be awful but penn state is shockingly so
They'll be extremely lucky to win 2 more games this season. They're a hard team to watch, not so much in the "they're not talented enough to win games" (they aren't) sort of way, but also in the "I can't believe the stupid shtein they do" sort of way too.
Rumors of Urban Meyer to PSU are heating up. Yes please!
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on October 08, 2011, 01:06:11 PM
Rumors of Urban Meyer to PSU are heating up. Yes please!
:yay
heating up where?
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/131371123.html?cmpid=15585797
Here...
i don't know why he'd retire from a better situation because of stress to take a just as stressful position at a lesser program.
does not compute
Ego.....wanting to resurrect a dying program and bring it back to the national spotlight. Or PSU would pay him a shtein ton of money. Yeah, probably money.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on October 08, 2011, 08:28:54 PM
Ego.....wanting to resurrect a dying program and bring it back to the national spotlight. Or PSU would pay him a shtein ton of money. Yeah, probably money.
Yep, on both counts.
did any of you actually watch the game today
how can you sit through that
i tried for like six seconds then immediately went to va tech miami....which was awesome
it was something like 6-3 in the 4th qtr
there is so much money pumping into that program and how they are so terrible is dumbfounding. even with that rotting old fossil as the head coach they should still be cleaning up on PA kids alone
what are the odds FF sat through it and was giddy with the win? off the board?
its not really hard to explain at all...they have a head coach who wont travel for recruits...a cluless nepotistic son second in charge....and not a single known or respected recruiter on the staff
i cant think of penn state without seeing the gay son from braveheart taking care of his half dead father in the top of the castle...thats jay and joe pa
yet they still beat temple
and the clock is running out on our chances to win cause this legit might be it for joe pa
Quote from: MDS on October 09, 2011, 01:54:29 AM
did any of you actually watch the game today
how can you sit through that
What was the final score? When I saw it was 6-3 I immediately switched over to the Auburn/Arkansas game.
Quote from: Don Ho on October 09, 2011, 02:07:57 AM
What was the final score?
im almost positive you could have checked one of the hundreds of internet sites (include psu.com) since eight hours ago to obtain the final score.....if im wrong im sure sarge will tell me
To busy watching Storage Wars.
Igy, it would have been so much easier to just tell me. Between my wife over here asking me the obligatory questions when I'm obviously occupied, trying to look it up on the iPad took 5 minutes out of my precious evening.
Quote from: MDS on October 09, 2011, 01:57:50 AM
what are the odds FF sat through it and was giddy with the win? off the board?
Didn't watch any of it and still haven't seen any "highlights" either. Was busy racing/crashing box cars, shotgunning Bud Lights to chase Jager, and smoking mini cigars. Basically, a normal evening in a lower middle class neighborhood in Nawth Cackalackky.
Quote from: Don Ho on October 09, 2011, 02:07:57 AM
Quote from: MDS on October 09, 2011, 01:54:29 AM
did any of you actually watch the game today
how can you sit through that
What was the final score? When I saw it was 6-3 I immediately switched over to the Auburn/Arkansas game.
13-3.
I actually sat through FSU/Wake Forest because I was desperate to see one of my teams win an easy game. Great plan there, dipshtein.
Thanks again, Phillies.
iceholes.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on October 09, 2011, 08:31:02 AM
Quote from: Don Ho on October 09, 2011, 02:07:57 AM
Quote from: MDS on October 09, 2011, 01:54:29 AM
did any of you actually watch the game today
how can you sit through that
What was the final score? When I saw it was 6-3 I immediately switched over to the Auburn/Arkansas game.
13-3.
good lookin out
I dvr'd this atrocity and watched it last night. Big mistake on my part.
Quote from: SunMo on October 08, 2011, 07:25:38 PM
i don't know why he'd retire from a better situation because of stress to take a just as stressful position at a lesser program.
does not compute
Supposedly his wife loves it up there so that may have something to do with it.
Quote from: Rome on October 09, 2011, 08:54:10 AM
I actually sat through FSU/Wake Forest because I was desperate to see one of my teams win an easy game. Great plan there, dipshtein.
Thanks again, Phillies.
iceholes.
:evil
It's equally (maybe more) sad that with the Phillies gone and the Eagles being awful, I have to try to count on Wake. Hooray masochism.
i actually thought espn had made a mistake when it showed psu as being 5-1. i guess in my head i'm not counting these horribly boring games as wins. the sad thing is they might be 7-1 before they lose the last 4.
Bowl eligible!
Urban Meyer calls PSU QBs "our" QBs (http://theschoolphilly.com/2011/10/11/video-urban-meyer-slips-and-calls-penn-state-qbs-our-quarterbacks/)
worst 6-1 fbs team ever?
Pretty close.
I have to give Penn State a little credit, they've improved. I didn't think they'd beat Purdue and Iowa. They should be Northwestern next week then lose the next 4...although the Ohio State game is a toss up.
college football is a joke when this psu team can go 9-3 or whatever and get into a big time bowl game
they are a colossal joke and a terrible team and they will make 20 mil this year for sleepwalking through an easy non conference schedule and then winning some games in what continues to be a terrible big 10.
FF be proud
Keep hating! I love it!
Oh yeah, the wifey working part time for Northwestern = free PSU/NW tix for me and my oldest boy this weekend :crazy and :flipoff all yall
Not even the PSU fans/alums on this board are jealous.
nothing like bragging about saving $8 on northwestern/penn state tickets
america, farg yes
How about this, phillymic... I'll bet $20 on the under in the game and come out more ahead than you do. Deal?
Quote from: MDS on October 20, 2011, 01:52:28 AM
nothing like bragging about saving $8 on northwestern/penn state tickets
america, farg yes
LOL, yeah I'm bragging... I'm excited to see a PSU game, it'll be my sons 1st game and I haven't seen a game for about 12 years. But thanks for hating ;)
Might be time for you to join Munson, mussa, and BigSTUD.
Quote from: FastFreddie on October 20, 2011, 01:51:22 AM
Not even the PSU fans/alums on this board are jealous.
this guy bragging about seeing a penn state northwestern game but missed a phillies playoff game to go to the county fair...MA FTL
LOL, I went to a high school football game with my kids and it turned out to be the right choice, the Phils sucked it up and I got to hang out with my kids, if thats MA then thats what I be!
Dr. JoePa, when asked about McGloin having a concussion:
Quote"He practiced yesterday. I guess he's OK. He got cracked in the head? I didn't see it. He was out there yesterday working, so I'm assuming he's OK."
doctor?
how about coach joe pa
seriously how does the farging head coach not know if his qb has a concussion or not
and what the hell is this "he was out there working yesterday"....like joe just happened by practice and saw him participating
Like he's still in charge.
Quote from: Rome on October 20, 2011, 12:00:27 PM
Like he's still in charge.
Urban Meyer handshake deal with PSU:
-Make him look good in his final game at Florida
-Let him "ghost coach" for a year or two to see if it's a gig he really wants
-Pay him a billion dollars when JoePa retires or dies
yea im sure urban meyer will pry spry young africans away from the south and relocate them to the middle of pennsylvania. hes got the magic touch.
he doesnt have to get them from the south...lets start with PA
why on earth would someone from western PA want to go to penn st when they can get constant thin white pussay and never wear a coat at lsu, bama or florida.
duhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh psu sucks
close to home...grew up a penn state fan...facilities are arguably the best in the country...they produce pros...they arent good enough to play in the sec
i dont know...why have they been going there forever?
penn state isnt and will never compete with the sec...they are competing with the big ten pitt rutgers va tech wva ect....
and when those schools are pulling the majority of top PA recurits something is wrong
you forgot temple, they are also competing with temple
bernard pierce what
penn state will pick and choose from temples current roster when the football program disbands next year
temple can disband the program after we beat psu
once that happens i honestly dont care anymore
gerald hodges is the next navarro bowman
for the amount of bums they recruit they sure turn out some decent pros
I have to again credit this team for improving. I thought they'd be lucky to finish .500 especially after their showing against Temple, but they've turned things around and it wouldn't be a complete shocker if they split the next 4 games, finishing 9-3.
Their defense had been stifling but NU showed how to beat them last night. Regardless I'll take the win. They're boring as shtein to watch but they seem to know how to win.
NU always gives their defense problems.
Quote from: rjs246 on October 23, 2011, 09:08:46 AM
Their defense had been stifling but NU showed how to beat them last night. Regardless I'll take the win. They're boring as shtein to watch but they seem to know how to win.
welcome to the big ten where the football is slightly better than in the sun belt conference
Gottlieb just called Urban Meyer "the next coach of either Penn State or Ohio State".
there is not a remote chance in hell urban meyer goes to a school like penn state....just give it up so you dont get disappointed
Maybe he'll come to the Eagles?
IN
and 1000 billion more % chance than going to ups
Quote from: FastFreddie on October 28, 2011, 06:57:08 PM
Gottlieb just called Urban Meyer "the next coach of either Penn State or Ohio State".
IN
spread offense would dominate the big 10. I know its traditionally a hard nosed running conference but no team could match with the speed a Meyer coached offense could throw out there
he ain't getting those florida boys to leave state and come to happy valley, thus the flaw in your plan
Urban Meyer would solve half the problem. The other half would be blinging out the uniforms. So, yeah... Not a good likelihood.
Quote from: SunMo on October 28, 2011, 07:22:59 PM
he ain't getting those florida boys to leave state and come to happy valley, thus the flaw in your plan
speed is speed regardless of the state
Quote from: SunMo on October 28, 2011, 07:22:59 PM
he ain't getting those florida boys to leave state and come to happy valley, thus the flaw in your plan
this is true....hed get the pa boys to come tho and have a plan....the current staff is clueless...with meyer they have a chance to win the big ten every year...and you cant ask for much more than that....but again lets be real that guy is not ever coaching at a school like ups
penn st is so far behind the 8 ball on this pa boys im not sure they can catch up
who the farg wants to go there.
Rob Bolden is awful.
Illinois misses Mikel Leshoure.
This game sucks.
D is stifling
Nice forced TO there
The one announcer is still complaining about the hit that caused a fumble.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on October 29, 2011, 04:43:34 PM
The one announcer is still complaining about the hit that caused a fumble.
It wasn't helmet to helmet, more like shoulder-elbow-forearm to helmet.
I dozed off 3 times during this game and don't feel like I've missed a thing
I don't remember the last time a football team I root for staged a successful last minute come from behind drive. This game has been awful but that TD was beautiful and sad all at once.
oops they won again.
My kingdom for a quarterback.
god i cant wait for them to lose by 50 in a bowl
at this point i hope they 10-7 their way to winning the big ten to show how pathetic the conference is.
the best way to show that would be for them to lose by four touchdowns to the 5th best sec team
lol at this paterno interview on abc...good lord
does penn st have a semi decent big 10 team on their schedule?
there are no semi decent big ten teams
i thought you rode for your boy jim delany
Quote from: MDS on October 29, 2011, 11:53:36 PM
does penn st have a semi decent big 10 team on their schedule?
They have a bye next weekend, then this:
vs Nebraska
at Ohio State
at Wisconsin
Fair to say that going one-for-three is optimistic and two-for-three is a best-case scenario.
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ESPN has been on the air for 45 years?
no
its also laughable to note the civil rights act of 68 instead of 64
The Fair Housing Act is a very important piece of legislation but you're right about 1964 being vastly more important.
Jerry Sandusky indicted on 40 counts of sex abuse (http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/former_penn_state_coach_jerry.html)
felony charges of involuntary deviate sexual intercourse of someone under 16, aggravated indecent assault, indecent assault of someone under 16, indecent assault of someone under 13, and corruption of minors from 1996 through 2005
Jesus christ. farging scumbag.
Wow.
isnt this old news?...obviously not the charges themselves but didnt we all know a couple years ago he was a serial pedophile....i mean unless you didnt believe the 15 different accusations
I think the old news was that he was being investigated for the possibility of 1 or 2 counts, not 40
Awesome:
Quote
Sandusky retired from Penn State shortly after the Alamo Bowl in December 1999, and began devoting all of his time to running The Second Mile, a children's charity he founded in 1977 that reaches 200,000 kids in this state each year through programs and camps.
Quote from: BigEd76 on November 04, 2011, 06:58:32 PM
I think the old news was that he was being investigated for the possibility of 1 or 2 counts, not 40
it was way more than 1 or 2...they kept coming out of the woodwork after the first couple...i think it was like 8-10 maybe...enough to know he was the devil
Now the AD and an underling are being charged with perjury and failure to report the sexual assault of a minor. Jesus.
To his credit, though, the investigators say that Paterno reported the incident to the AD immediately after he became aware of it in 2002. Can you imagine what million-year-old, conservative, boring, family man Joe Pa is thinking about all of this? What a shteinshow.
He's probably thinking where da videos at?
http://www.attorneygeneral.gov/uploadedFiles/Press/Sandusky-Grand-Jury-Presentment.pdf
read it for yourself. its actually very disturbing.
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Quote from: MDS on November 05, 2011, 01:52:06 PM
http://www.attorneygeneral.gov/uploadedFiles/Press/Sandusky-Grand-Jury-Presentment.pdf
read it for yourself. its actually very disturbing.
Jesus.
Unbelievable the number of people saying things like "even if he's guilty, it doesn't erase all the good that his organization did."
As if he didn't found the organization primarily to gain access to vulnerable boys.
Quote from: MDS on November 05, 2011, 01:52:06 PM
http://www.attorneygeneral.gov/uploadedFiles/Press/Sandusky-Grand-Jury-Presentment.pdf
read it for yourself. its actually very disturbing.
What a scumbag
Quote from: MDS on November 05, 2011, 01:52:06 PM
http://www.attorneygeneral.gov/uploadedFiles/Press/Sandusky-Grand-Jury-Presentment.pdf
read it for yourself. its actually very disturbing.
I hate to say this, but it seems pretty clear to me that JoePa was clearly told Sandusky farged an 11-year-old boy and deferred to the douche bag athletic director to resolve it.
That is just brutal. I had to stop reading it.
Pretty much guarantees a new AD and JoePa retirement. And I hope Sandusky gets what's coming to him.
Quote from: FastFreddie on November 05, 2011, 06:10:30 PM
Quote from: MDS on November 05, 2011, 01:52:06 PM
http://www.attorneygeneral.gov/uploadedFiles/Press/Sandusky-Grand-Jury-Presentment.pdf
read it for yourself. its actually very disturbing.
I hate to say this, but it seems pretty clear to me that JoePa was clearly told Sandusky farged an 11-year-old boy and deferred to the douche bag athletic director to resolve it.
Legally, he did his duty. Morally... well, I suppose Paterno figured that it had been investigated and was determined to have no merit. But it seems to me that he has a moral obligation to make sure that kind of accusation is followed up upon. Make sure the cops know. If the cops don't care, go to the trustees and say, "Hey, this guy is farging ten year olds in our shower, can we get him the hell off of campus?" If that doesn't do it, get that graduate student to leak to the media.
how about the GA catching sandusky in the act and doing nothing but telling paterno about it...how do you not immediately go to the police...it also sounds like he did nothing to stop it
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 05, 2011, 07:06:42 PM
how about the GA catching sandusky in the act and doing nothing but telling paterno about it...how do you not immediately go to the police...it also sounds like he did nothing to stop it
Yeah and the assistant's father, who was the one he ran off and told immediately.
The only thing you can say in favor of the assistant is that Sandusky was a powerful guy in State College, and who knows if you can trust the school, the cops, etc. The assistant coulda been scared someone would leak his name to Sandusky. There's still fools on the Internet defending Sandusky even with all that indictment info before them, so clearly there are many people who would have reflexively trusted him over an assistant back then.
Paterno was a guy the grad felt he could trust, who was powerful enough to make sure something was done about it. It kinda sounds like JoePa didn't make it enough of a priority. There's enough shtein to go around, and it's not like he's the most culpable, but it's tough to conclude that he did all he could.
What a disaster for Penn State.
on the tease for the 11 oclock local news here the lead story is sandusky
just curious--does this change your feelings about psu for you paterno butt humpers? like can you stomach rooting for this team knowing this shtein went down. kind of like when the eagles signed mike vick except one dude did something to dogs and the other anally raped a 10 year old
vick could have farged a newborn and id still root for the eagles
thats 1 guy...the psu thing goes way high up so youre talking about an entire institution.
i hate psu and this is just gonna make it easier but essentially by giving them money for the past 15 years you were paying for jerry sandusky to buy xboxs for the kids he was molesting. i mean thats an issue to me as a human being. if im a psu fan and i dont see EVERYONE fall over this i might be out.
i dont root for the institution i root for the football team...and no one on the current team did anything...sandusky should burn in hell but for me it has no bearing on the game saturday
maybe someone who went to penn state rjs matty or ff can speak differently than i but i could care farging less as it relates to football
the current AD covered it up and the disgraceful fossil head coach told his boss and let it go
to me thats pretty sickening even though child fondling is probably not something a 3000 year old italian man can comprehend. if the AD and joe pa fall id be cool.
the president of the school is a different story. farg that guy with all the might in the world.
the best part of the whole thing is that joe and the ad go...i wish it didnt happen but in the long run its a good thing for the program
yea im sure urban meyer and his farged up heart are aching to come in and clean up a child rapist mess
this thing is going to destroy psu for years and maybe forever. rival recruiters are going to use this against them and frankly if im a parent and its between psu and pitt and one school is whatever and the other covered up their dc farging 10 year olds in the shower im going with pitt
for a while i dont see how psu lives this down
classic overreaction in the moment...if penn state gets a good head coach/recruiter down the road then they will be fine...they were never going to be great if all this didnt happen...but to act lke they are going to be indiana because an ex assitant coach banged some kids is just not true
they were probably gonna suck after paterno anyway cause whoever follows a legend struggles...but in five years no high school kids will even know who jerry sandusky is and hopefully they will have kirk ferentz type and be battling for big ten titles
speaking of bets
penn state big 10 titles next ten yrs
o/u .5
UNDER
i would say zero...but i would have said zero before sandusky...again it has no effect in terms of b10 titles
the better question is something along the lines of how many bottom half of the conf. finishes do they have
youd probably say like 8....id say three
the big 10 is such a joke you could be right
but i think youre underplaying how this is going to destroy psu. ncaa sanctions could be coming...media will destroy them....recruits backing out....players transferring....it could be a disaster zone for a few years before they hire XXXX to clean it up
there will be zero ncaa sanctions
and i dont doubt that they will be a mess for a few years but they would have been anyway is my point
you are speaking about this on the day it broke wide open...lets see how much noise its making in a year...maybe im way underestimating it and you are right
the best comparison i can think of is baylor hoops after the murder thing. see how i call it the murder thing because i dont remember it.
exactly. but after that baylor was even worse than normal....within a few years they turned it around made the final eight last year. and thats what will happen with psu. it will be horrendous for a handful of years then everyone will forget, theyll turn it around and everything will resume like normal.
and even when theyre down the next 2-3 years they will still beat temple
just from a program perspective thats a terrible comparison because penn state football has an infinitely more solid foundation from which to work from to get back up if they fall than does baylor basketball
also baylor got massive sanctions....i dont see where penn state does here...baylor had a current player involved in this case with penn state we are talking about a retired coach..also the baylor punishment was more about cash payments and drugs involving players on the current roster...the murders werent what got them in the most trouble
again i could be way wrong and i totally leave open the possibility that penn state could get smacked but i dont see where the football program specifically should be punished
the athletic director and head coach essentially covered up a child rape sex scandal. thats not exactly something the ncaa can ignore.
on top of that, penn st knew about what sandusky was doing and still paid him a salary and still let him travel to bowl games and gave him use him of the facilities and what not. even though hes not actually a coach anymore he was still very involved in what went on there, he raped kids and the administration tried to make it go away.
if he was just the dc who took 10 year olds back to his basement to farg them then it doesnt touch psu. but the fact that all these people were involved, that they knew and that he used his place at the school to curry favor with the boys and actually raped them on campus grounds is a serious serious issue.
i just can see how the ncaa lets psu football continue on like nothing happened
imo its a legal matter not a football ncaa matter...just because he used to coach football doesnt mean the football program will be or should be punished...the cover up is limited to the AD which oversees all sports not just football and the dood who oversaw campus police...which has nothing to do with football
if paterno was implicated or any other member of the football staff knew something and there was a cover up then yeah i could see football sanctions
but again maybe ill be proved wrong on that
so now apparently the GA who witnessed the sex act was ginger mcqueary
also reub reporting this
Sandusky brought young boys to Penn State football practice 5 years after Joe Paterno was made aware of Sandusky's past history of abuse
like i said, ncaa sanctions have to come down
they just let this go on and someone has to pay
its not like you said cause you have no clue what went on or even if legal ,atters like this are even punishable as it pertains to a sports program...it may have happened but im unaware of a college program having sanctions brought down on them that had nothing to do with any actual athletes agents or boosters
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 06, 2011, 01:24:51 AM
so now apparently the GA who witnessed the sex act was ginger mcqueary
First person that came to mind. Zero surprise here.
This is going to be a big deal and it should be. I'm not sure how it is supposed to change much about any of my feelings in the long run, though. The grand jury doesn't seem to be taking this lightly, and Joe isn't being charged. Sandusky, Curley, and that other guy (who oversees the university police) are going to get theirs, Spanier is still a douche, and Joe is almost certain to retire after the season.
So, it hurts. Very bad for the school. Will make me a little hesitant to sport my PSU logo clothes for a while. But ultimately, the program is still squeaky clean on actual NCAA rules, and only a handful of iceholes (possibly including JoePa) were involved in the heinous acts and cover-up. A new AD and new coaching staff will go a long way toward disassociating it with the future of the program, I hope. Still, it kind of puts the idea of getting free tattoos in perspective, eh?
in no way do i not think its huge deal...im just very uncertain if it translates into actual sanctions against the football program itself....i dont think it will
Yes, exactly. Worse for the school as a whole and for the Penn State "community" than for the football program itself.
But haters like MDS will certainly get a high level of satisfaction as this plays out.
I won't lie, I am struggling big time with this. I've been a Lions fan my whole life. Both parents went there. My sister and I both went there. The football program, Paterno and Sandusky are all a big part of my mental image of Penn State and as a jaded relatively unsentimental guy, the football team has always been the easiest way to reminisce and express a little pride in the school. There's no question that this blunts all of that.
Like FF said, I'll be hesitant to sport my gear now and it's going to be damn difficult to reconcile all of this with 33 years of totally contradictory internal imagery.
It's farging sickening, but i just don't see how NCAA sanctions happen. Heads will roll, JoePa is probably going to hang around, but this may be what makes him decide to hang it up. Sandusky needs to die a painful death.
I can't see how the NCAA would violate the program because none of this, as heinous as it is, has to do with football or recruiting. This is a criminal act not related to students or the process of running a program.
Paterno did the right thing by reporting it to his direct superior. The question is should he have the responsibility of following up and exactly how much did he know beyond what the GA told him? Once he reported it he seemingly washed his hands of it. Perhaps he saw that nothing was done so he assumed the allegations were not very strong? I bet he thinks "hey I passed it up the chain and its not my job to investigate further". Or perhaps he follows up with the AD and President and was told that there was nothing to it? "Hey Joe, we investigated this and there is nothing here". If he is told that then he thinks its true and is done with it.
So I see Paterno as a peripheral player here. The scandal will likely be enough to force him into retirement but I am not quite sure how much blame can be levied on him.
The AD, Finance guy and president are the ones who should be lit up. And I'd bet that Sandusky ends up committing suicide or makes an attempt at it.
I'd give him an elephant gun to do the job. farging dirtbag
FF I am just curious as to why you think this will make Joe Pa leave? And I agree with igy I don't see how this is something that brings up sanctions. Why would the NCAA punish kids now that have nothing to do with any of this. To me its completely a legal matter.
O'doyle rules! (drive off cliff)
http://deadspin.com/5856777/a-guide-to-the-sexual-child-abuse-charges-against-jerry-sandusky-and-to-penn-states-alleged-willful-ignorance (http://deadspin.com/5856777/a-guide-to-the-sexual-child-abuse-charges-against-jerry-sandusky-and-to-penn-states-alleged-willful-ignorance)
How can Paterno not leave after this? I mean come on.
It's not his fault but it happened under his watch so ultimately he has to be held to account for it.
And yeah I hate Penn State with a passion but this isn't some random blast of irrationality on the part of a hater. It's fairly simple. Joe has to go and he should walk away now rather than being fed to the jackals for months on end before being forced out on his ass.
i think yall have to remember that sandusky used his power and place and resources with the football team to rape these kids. he did it in the showers, lockers, on bowl game trips and the administration knew what he was doing and still let him get away with all of it
to me if the ncaa is gonna go crazy over tattoos or text messages they should punish psu for this. did this affect any wins and losses? no probably not. but just letting the program get off with nothing isnt exactly the right thing to do.
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on November 06, 2011, 12:04:01 PM
FF I am just curious as to why you think this will make Joe Pa leave? And I agree with igy I don't see how this is something that brings up sanctions. Why would the NCAA punish kids now that have nothing to do with any of this. To me its completely a legal matter.
I think he was going to retire anyway. He's not even trying to go back to the sideline, has taken bigger steps away from the day-to-day coaching tasks, etc. This just makes it basically a certainty he'll want to get out of the limelight.
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QuotePenn State, you should be embarrassed. And not because one of your former assistant football coaches is allegedly a pedophile; rather, you should be ashamed that some of the top administrators of your institution of higher learning allegedly acted in such an unconscionable and reprehensible manner. A housecleaning from top to bottom is in order, and should be demanded by any and every graduate of what is a university with a carefully-crafted and previously pristine image. -Attorney General Linda Kelly
She is 100% correct
Paterno statement (http://mobile.pennlive.com/advpenn/pm_105257/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=vESx2y0j)
I want to believe him.
And I guess it's a minor development that McQueary has been named now.
wow thats weak
It's better than Spanier's.
that should make you feel better
joe didnt rape those kids but their poop is all over his hands
I said that I wanted to believe him. Not able to infer that it means I don't?
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"As my grand jury testimony stated, I was informed in 2002 by an assistant coach that he had witnessed an incident in the shower of our locker room facility. It was obvious that the witness was distraught over what he saw, but he at no time related to me the very specific actions contained in the Grand Jury report. Regardless, it was clear that the witness saw something inappropriate involving Mr. Sandusky. As Coach Sandusky was retired from our coaching staff at that time, I referred the matter to university administrators.
be proud joe...you were informed that a little boy was being savaged in a shower by a 60 year old man and you reported it to the university administrators because the rapist was currently not on the staff
WOW
http://deadspin.com/5856887/as-recently-as-2009-jerry-sandusky-was-running-an-overnight-football-camp-for-kids-on-penn-state-campuses
whoops
Paterno's Sergeant Shultz routine is NOT convincing anyone.
Step down you senile old cock. NOW.
i wonder if joe is just really loyal to and deluded about sandusky or is it possible he may have been somehow involved with this...like did he like to see pictures nd hear stories...
because if they wanted to they could have simply ostracized sandusky in 98 or turned him in in 02 and it would have been the end of it
You're hypothesizing that Joe Pa was popping viagra and 10 year old iceholes?
JoePa ratted Curtis Enis out before a bowl game because he got a discount on some groceries. No way he buries his head for Sandusky over this shtein.
This seems to just keep getting worse, its disgusting on so many levels.
Quote from: SD on November 06, 2011, 07:43:24 PM
JoePa ratted Curtis Enis out before a bowl game because he got a discount on some groceries. No way he buries his head for Sandusky over this shtein.
im sure sandusky has disciplined a few players in his life as well.....these people often live unexplainable contridictory double lives
like a lot of child diddlers it appears sandusky hates himself and is probably relieved this happened
if that convo between him a victims mother is true theres a legit chance he offs himself. what a tragedy that would be.
i would def kill myself rather than go to prison as a celebrity child molester
the interesting person here is wifey or any of his adopted kids in the house
like what the farg was he doing in the basement for 5 hours? all the time? did they ever wonder, did they ever ask? or was dottie so ashamed that she couldnt have kids that she looked the other way when her husband plowed 10 year olds.
and im not kidding her name is actually dottie
oh dottie knew but she had a life given to her that way went beyond her wildest dreams....a caked off wifey always looks the other way
i wonder what their sex life was like
like it said in the butter bill lyon piece that they couldnt have kids. is that because dottie's shtein was farged up or was that because her husband couldnt cum inside her because her Hoyda wasnt a 10 year olds icehole?
and that might have been too much...
Also, if Ginger's account is true, who walks upon an old man raping a child and doesn't intervene? I guess ginger's really do lack souls.
apparently in 99 when asked why sandusky wouldnt be named his heir apparent....joe replied "we had a long list of names but jare always seemed to be coming in a little behind"
They didn't waste any time to let heads roll, Curley and Schultz are out. I have a feeling Joe gets a pass on this one.
curely isnt out, hes on administrative leave per his request
a head coach down here is also on administrative leave because he got a dui (he will be "reassigned" fairly soon since their season is over). also the publisher for our sister paper was on administrative leave due to a dui, but he quickly resigned.
administrative leave. where rich people go when they farg up.
if i get a dui i get fired. not put on farging administrative leave.
He is done regardless of whether or not he gets cleared or not. Bottom line he knew and did nothing.
oh no doubt but they cant even fire him
they have to put him on admin. leave and then just wait until it goes away. i farging hate that.
Yeah it is complete bs and your are right if it were me or you are asses are fired.
Occupy Penn State?
someone made the point that joe might stay for next year even if he had planned on retiring because he doesnt want it to look like an admission of any sort of guilt and thus tarnish his legacy even more
this may be valid....then again it may not even be up to him
As much as I love the guy.....he should definetly go. Yes he did the right thing reporting it, but he didn't follow up on it so he shares some of the blame.
It is beyond me how they could allow this to happen, the more I think about it the more pissed I get.
its not just not following it up...really not following up wasnt even his biggest error...that happened was when ginger came to his house and reported what he saw and insteasd of going right to the police station and filing a report he waited a day then called curley
the most damaging thing imo tho more than any of that was was allowing sandusky to bring young boys to his practices and games up until 2007...the shower incident happened in 2002....and the first official complaint in 98
seems like there were just a bunch of rumors and uncomfortableness with the adults...except for mcqueary. what kind of person sees something that sick happening and doesn't follow up. i mean yeah i guess he was in his 20s and worried about his job and stuff but that is absolutely disgusting. not blaming just him cuz it seems like the whole lot of them are either retarded or closet pedos, but that seems to be something a normal person would not be able to live with.
i have a gross feeling that since this went on for so long, pretty much in front of everyone, there's a pack of old pervs up there that will all be getting busted soon.
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 07, 2011, 08:47:44 AM
someone made the point that joe might stay for next year even if he had planned on retiring because he doesnt want it to look like an admission of any sort of guilt and thus tarnish his legacy even more
this may be valid....then again it may not even be up to him
There's no athletic director to fire him. And hell, Spanier has tied up his fortunes to Curley and Schultz with his "unconditional support" bullshtein, so the university president can't even do it.
If Joe leaves, it's his call. And I don't think he would stay just to keep up appearances. He might stay to try to keep the football program safe and separate from the bigger problems, but I don't know if he has enough left to do that.
Again... taking this with a massive grain of salt for many reasons, but it's not like it doesn't make sense (from the latest espn.com update):
QuotePaterno wasn't charged, and the grand jury report didn't implicate him in wrongdoing. His son Scott, an attorney who helped his father draft the statement, said in a phone interview Sunday evening that his father didn't know the severity of the alleged crimes until he read the grand jury's findings Saturday.
"When he read the presentment and called me, he could barely speak," Scott Paterno said.
"It was like a punch in the gut."
So, it's clear to me if the allegations are true - and hard to think they're not:
Sandusky - suicide would make him lucky
Curley - douche bag who is just as guilty if any of this went down after he was in the know
Schultz - in charge of the police and didn't open a criminal investigation... you do the math
McQueary - the phrase "you come at the king, you best not miss" comes to mind... We would all like to say we would have stopped at nothing to see justice done, but with the legend Sandusky had and with Curley and Schultz opposing him, he really would have had to have balls the size of watermelons to do anything else. This is probably the same reason none of the boys came forward to authorities at the time... too afraid of being laughed off and rebuked because of the magnitude of the situation. I really don't know what to make of McQueary's role here.
Paterno - So, he allegedly knew less than McQueary but obviously had zero fear of being labeled a pariah if he did decide to escalate past the university authorities. You certainly don't want to believe the worst of someone you've known and trusted for 30+ years, and that plays into it too. Just tough to really know how culpable he is or isn't.
So, the grand jury seems to have blame in the right places for now IMO. The court of public opinion will decide JoePa's fate and legacy around this, but it will always be associated with him to some extent regardless... and that is a pretty damning punishment for the winningest coach in Div 1/FBS history.
Yeah the whole thing is just crazy.....what planet are they living on? They really are in their own world up there.
Quote from: phattymatty on November 07, 2011, 09:03:37 AM
i have a gross feeling that since this went on for so long, pretty much in front of everyone, there's a pack of old pervs up there that will all be getting busted soon.
i agree this is where its headed if people dig and press hard enough...its way to small of a community and circle for a whole bunch of people not to either have known what was up and ignored or straight up participated...i mean sandusky was caught red glanded blowing one kid and butt humping another and the answer to this was to take his keys away??
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 07, 2011, 09:07:23 AM
Quote from: phattymatty on November 07, 2011, 09:03:37 AM
i have a gross feeling that since this went on for so long, pretty much in front of everyone, there's a pack of old pervs up there that will all be getting busted soon.
i agree this is where its headed if people dig and press hard enough...its way to small of a community and circle for a whole bunch of people not to either have known what was up and ignored or straight up participated...i mean sandusky was caught red glanded blowing one kid and butt humping another and the answer to this was to take his keys away??
Distinct possibility... because the other alternative actually seems just as unlikely:
Quote"Does anybody really think," Scott Paterno said, "that if (the university) thought he was a child rapist, they would have given him a farewell tour?"
So the fact of the matter is that either it was a conspiracy that encompassed a larger number of men in power, or it was a conspiracy just between Curley and Schultz. But why would they protect him to that level unless they knew others would be implicated? Others we haven't even heard about yet?
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Scott Paterno can say that but the bottom line is if "they" would have just turned this over to the police from the jump it all could have been avoided.
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100% chance that Kip Richael knew about this.
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on November 07, 2011, 09:33:16 AM
Scott Paterno can say that but the bottom line is if "they" would have just turned this over to the police from the jump it all could have been avoided.
yup...expect civil suits from every kid in the indictment who got abused after the 2002 incident...and maybe many more depending on who else comes forward...because this obviously extends well beyond the 8 victims in the charging papers...bye bye endowment
I can already see the signs for away games Pedophile State University
yeah i threw on a psu hat just to walk to walgreens yesterday afternoon, then switched when i realized what i was wearing. embarrassing.
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Sorry oh great pioneer
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on November 07, 2011, 09:33:16 AM
Scott Paterno can say that but the bottom line is if "they" would have just turned this over to the police from the jump it all could have been avoided.
Schultz was in charge of the police with jurisdiction here. So the question is if going over his head to the state police or Feds was something McQueary or Paterno could have feasibly done. McQueary? Yeah, seems like he could have and didn't. Joe? Hard to do second-hand with a watered down version of the truth... Allegedly.
Just found this nugget too... Yikes:
QuoteSchultz served as senior vice president and treasurer from 1993 to 2009. He returned to the job this year to fill in until someone else could be found. The Board of Trustees named a child care center on campus after him in January 2010.
That is why I said they, there is no reason not to err on the side of caution whe. It comes to this.
you didnt even have to go to schultz....they should have went to the police station and filed a report at the desk for god sakes...instead they went to bed and called curley the next day...then curley waited two weeks before he called ginger to hear what he had to say...and paterno didnt even accompany ginger to curleys office...he let his tramuatized GA go on his own while he by all accounts went back to coaching football like he always did....
oh while sandusky continued to visit practice with young boys
Yeah, it took them 3 days to do something that should have taken 3 hours. It's farged up and they all need to go.
It's reprehensible. The question is this: Whose comeuppance will be insufficient?
it really is mind boggling. can you imagine being mcqueary? seeing something like that then still seeing dude around campus for the next 10 years like no biggie. he's got to be farged in the head.
all of them need to go. even if true (doubtful) and curley etc. only got reports of "horsing around" in the showers, that's still disgustingly farged up.
the only thing i can even think of, and it's by no means right, is that if some janitor came up to me and said my friend of 30 years was doing something like this, i wouldn't believe them. but you'd have to think after more than one instance they'd have to do a serious investigation.
the whole thing makes me feel gross just talking about it.
Really makes the NCAA investigations and the rigidity with which they keep watch to make sure students don't get ANYTHING outside of the scholarship for playing seem a bit trivial, huh?
Oh, the best college player in the country got a SUV to drive from an agent? A few Ohio State players got some tats? Yeah, that definitely deserves more time and effort than making sure Jerry Sandusky stops raping boys!
(Again, I'm not saying the NCAA is the governing body who should be concerned with PSU primarily right now. I'm saying they have too much time on their hands and should probably fire people - maybe those same people can go work for the state of Pennsylvania to help bring justice as deserved to REAL criminals?)
it's not like PSU was lighting the world on fire with recruiting anyway, but i can't imagine what this is going to do to them moving forward.
I think this hurts their daycare program more than anything.
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WE ARE! PEDO STATE!
Holy shtein Sunny.
hard to read this and disagree (http://thebiglead.com/index.php/2011/11/07/joe-paterno-should-resign-as-penn-states-football-head-coach/)
In closing...
QuotePenn State and, specifically, Paterno's dereliction of duty are inconceivable. The only hope is that it was impaired decision-making or a breathtaking moment of thoughtlessness, rather than unfathomable depth of callousness and moral decay. If these allegations against Sandusky are true, Penn State's administrators and, indirectly, Paterno let a purported pederast continue to prey on innocent children, children they knew he would have steady access to through his charity. There's no justification for that. It would be inhuman.
Penn State stresses "Success with Honor." The program has undoubtedly had its success, but there's no honor here and there's none as long as this regime persists. The moral implications of this story surpass anything under the NCAA's jurisdiction. This is a tragic absence of leadership and a culture gone corrupt. Paterno's legacy, his 400 wins and his program may be ground to dust by this scandal. That's a tear drop in the ocean of pain the program's negligence may have inflicted on just one child.
Joe Paterno abdicated responsibility before. Under the public spotlight, he's in no position to do so again. He must resign, if not immediately at the end of the season. Penn State needs a clean slate, entirely new leadership and, judging from its actions through this mess, a vast recalibration of its priorities as an academic institution.
I'm anxiously awaiting the Law and Order SVU episode about this.
yup...although i once saw one exactly like this...except he was a basketball coach and was played by the dad from the wonder years.
Quote from: phattymatty on November 07, 2011, 01:30:51 PM
yup...although i once saw one exactly like this...except he was a basketball coach and was played by the dad from the wonder years.
was that the guy who had the kids baseball hats that he would sniff, then go "Oh, Matty, 1988, summer camp"
if mariska hargitary isnt going undercover in the shower then i aint watchin
LaVar Arrington weighs in. (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/hard-hits/post/jerry-sandusky-news-shocking-to-this-former-player/2011/11/07/gIQAO7oVvM_blog.html)
Are you actively looking for people's opinions and more information about this story? I got about one page into the 'guide to the indictment' or whatever and have actively stopped looking for more information. I don't need or want to know any more about this. In fact what I WANT is to never even hear or think about it ever again. Unfortunately, it's probably all I'll think about for a little while and I'll definitely be hearing about it for a long while.
I expect more and more positive comments about the guy from previous players to help paint a better picture, but regardless Jerry Sandusky still needs to be shanked in the neck out in the yard at Pelican Bay.
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still wearing a psu jacket....
Quote from: rjs246 on November 07, 2011, 02:31:51 PM
Are you actively looking for people's opinions and more information about this story? I got about one page into the 'guide to the indictment' or whatever and have actively stopped looking for more information. I don't need or want to know any more about this. In fact what I WANT is to never even hear or think about it ever again. Unfortunately, it's probably all I'll think about for a little while and I'll definitely be hearing about it for a long while.
Just through Facebook, and not very actively. And I posted LaVar's thing here before I read it... It's crap. And apparently he refuses to read the indictment document too.
But I am trying to figure out ways I can again be proud to be a Penn Stater. Not easy to figure out right now.
QuoteFor the glory of old State,
For her founders strong and great,
For the future that we wait,
Raise the song, raise the song.
Sing our love and loyalty,
Sing our hopes that, bright and free,
Rest, O Mother dear, with thee,
All with thee, all with thee.
When we stood at childhood's gate,
Shapeless in the hands of fate,
Thou didst mold us, dear old State,
Dear old State, dear old State.
May no act of ours bring shame
To one heart that loves thy name,
May our lives but swell thy fame,
Dear old State, dear old State.
Dear God... even the lyrics to the alma mater are a joke waiting to happen.
Quote from: FastFreddie on November 07, 2011, 03:11:22 PM
But I am trying to figure out ways I can again be proud to be a Penn Stater. Not easy to figure out right now.
Agreed. This shtein will haunt me for a long time.
i don't think lavar's article is crap. i mean yeah he shouldn't really be writing anything at all if he can't even stomach reading the grand jury report, but it has to be rough thinking someone that meant a lot to you could do something so disgusting. it's human nature to think there has to be some kind of mistake.
they'll all come around eventually because by this point there's no way he's innocent.
also bad time for a typo.
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So, you appreciate the article because it introduces a unique perspective that most of us obviously don't have. Meanwhile, I don't appreciate it because it offers me no solace or hope of getting to the best possible resolution here. Basically, I just want everyone to assume he's guilty as shtein, move on to figuring else who else gets the hammer dropped, and get Penn State back on the right track.
Unfortunately, it won't be quick like that. Long, painful process ahead.
Im just curious--I know you guys are alums and it s a great school to go to, but why should one perv and the actions of 2 others affect your thinking about the time you spent at PSU?
You went to school there not because of the schools mission statement or lyrics to the alma matter, but either because family went there, its a top university to get an educaton and easier access for future employment, the football games would be off the hook and you knew it was a hell of a party school. When this blows over...and it most certainly will....I highly doubt when someone says to you, "hey what school did you go to?" and you tell them Penn State, they are going to be like, "sorry to hear that man".
Im here for hugs.
I heard Sandusky recruited Freddie to go there even though he didn't play football. Weird.
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still wearing a psu jacket....
Just what the school needs right now....
Quote from: reese125 on November 07, 2011, 03:38:16 PM
Im just curious--I know you guys are alums and it s a great school to go to, but why should one perv and the actions of 2 others affect your thinking about the time you spent at PSU?
You went to school there not because of the schools mission statement or lyrics to the alma matter, but either because family went there, its a top university to get an educaton and easier access for future employment, the football games would be off the hook and you knew it was a hell of a party school. When this blows over...and it most certainly will....I highly doubt when someone says to you, "hey what school did you go to?" and you tell them Penn State, they are going to be like, "sorry to hear that man".
Im here for hugs.
I can't speak for anyone else, but I grew up in a penn state obsessed household. Sandusky was held in just as high a regard as Paterno.
On top of that, and this is a little silly but it's true so I'll share, there was a certain comfort in rooting for a sqeaky clean (if completely boring) Penn State football program. We all learned long ago that professional sports isn't the hero-haven that we wish it was. It's a business full of petulant spoiled children and cutthroat business men. We all know about the big name college football programs with shady pasts and questionable ethics. Penn State never had any of that. It was easy to root for them. It was easy to be proud of rooting for them because they won AND they did it without ever seeming to do anything shady. Sure they had fallen off recently in terms of national standing, but in an atmosphere of 'professional' college programs, Penn State seemed to actually be an upstanding citizen. It was boring and it led to some low-level mocking because Paterno is older than god, but there was never a question of moral character.
This situation isn't a pay to play scandal. Or something against the rules but equally morally benign. This is the lowest form of human behavior. Known about and covered up by an institution that took a lot of time and effort to cultivate its squeaky clean image. I would have been disappointed if they had uncovered something NCAA-sanctions-worthy. This is on a whole other level. The symbol of the school is the football program. That symbol is now utter garbage.
I guess that's the real issue. I didn't go to school there because of football. But football is the easiest way to keep my association with the school and it has always been a source of pride. Now what? Do I use the School of Communications as my Penn State badge of honor? Do I become a die hard women's volleyball fan? A fairly important part of how I think of myself is "Penn State fan" just like all of the people on this board on some level think of themselves and think "Eagles fan". It was a source of pride and fun. Now, that fairly significant portion of my self image brings really icky awful thoughts and feelings to the surface.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on November 07, 2011, 03:44:54 PM
I heard Sandusky recruited Freddie to go there even though he didn't play football. Weird.
Zing.
Good read. (http://goodmenproject.com/featured-content/we-are/)
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I watched the news team try to interview Sandusky and he didn't even deny the allegations. He just had this stupid smirk on his face. Obama should send Seal team 6 to his residence to put a bullet in his head.
Too kind. If he doesn't kill himself, let the general population at the State Pen get him.
How is that piece of shtein not in 24 hour lockdown and further how has someone not mdk'd his ass by now?
Ugh - I'm not even a fan and I feel rage beyond reason over this. Must be the putrid PA DNA...
Paterno will not be the head football coach at Penn State for this weekend's game vs. Nebraska.
Should be confirmed tomorrow.
Quote from: FastFreddie on November 07, 2011, 07:01:10 PM
Paterno will not be the head football coach at Penn State for this weekend's game vs. Nebraska.
Should be confirmed tomorrow.
So he'll sit up in the booth and do nothing like he has all season
He hasn't done shtein in a decade or more. He's a figurehead only now he's more like Caligula.
Ray Gricar, the DA who oddly decided not to prosecute in 1998, mysteriously disappeared in 2005.
as disgusting as this story is this shtein is getting good. DA's now missing? I can wait till Sandusky takes down the whole staff and claims JoPA smoked his pole.
consider me hooked.
Took my PSU pennant down in my classroom today. Sad.
Urban Meyer time?
No chance Meyer takes the job now. They'd be lucky to get Al Golden at this point.
word on the street is golden is renegotiating his contract to make it shorter so he can get out and take over at psu
heads up: hes awful on gameday
I'm still holding out hope for Bill Cowher...and Matt Kemp.
Quote from: MDS on November 07, 2011, 08:35:17 PM
word on the street is golden is renegotiating his contract to make it shorter so he can get out and take over at psu
heads up: hes awful on gameday
Haha... is this for real because I was kidding.
i mean its an internet message board rumor
golden is long gone from temple so everything coming out of there about him isnt all that reliable
but run with it
Quote from: FastFreddie on November 07, 2011, 07:01:10 PM
Paterno will not be the head football coach at Penn State for this weekend's game vs. Nebraska.
Should be confirmed tomorrow.
Really?
It's maybe slightly more credible than MDS's intel.
really good grantland write on unhappy valley
http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/7205085/growing-penn-state
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=heewcZc0P-k&feature=player_embedded
ny times saying joe is done
mcquearry should be the first one out the door....he actually eyewitnessed one of the acts and went on in that community around this guy and boys for another ten years like nothing had happened
how do you live with that.....at the very least i would have resigned and moved to another state
im assuming he will follow at the end of the season, along with most of the coaching staff
the big question is will this horrid person graham spanier go and the answer is no
No one cares about McQueary and he will be forgotten in a month. I agree with you but no one cares about him and he's the one who has to live with what he saw and what he did or didn't do.
Paterno is the top of the pyramid. This happened on his watch. There's a pretty good chance that he knew about it. He has to go and McQueary and everyone else will go with him. Jesus Christ what a mess.
Paterno is mentioned in the indictment as having been told what occurred in the shower. He knew. He chose to tell Spanier who did nothing. They were probably already aware of Sandusky's penchant for boys by then and had an apparatus to cover it up in place.
FF/RJS, on the real, sorry for you. Seems like this was the last shred of innocence for you and a lot of my friends and family held on to. I am kind of shocked it has this kind of effect on the people it went there.
Some twitter rumor that Urban Meyer will replace JoePa... LOL!
welcome to two months ago
Quote from: SunMo on November 08, 2011, 02:28:11 PM
welcome to two months ago
Yes, but it's heating up again with the scandal.
i obviously don't know whether theres anything to the rumors but i don't see it as being that crazy. the dude spend years on ohio and utah, pretty sure he can live in state college.
god i'd love to see penn state with a good passing game.
After breaking down earlier today, Matt Millen just basically called Ginger a bitch for not doing anything when he witnessed the incident.
Quote from: PhillyPhanInDC on November 08, 2011, 01:02:23 PM
FF/RJS, on the real, sorry for you. Seems like this was the last shred of innocence for you and a lot of my friends and family held on to. I am kind of shocked it has this kind of effect on the people it went there.
Appreciate that. The problem is that I've spent my entire life as a Penn Stater. I've always been able to excuse the usually-mediocre results on the football field with the knowledge that things were being done the "right" way. I've always been able to excuse the knocks on academic rigor with the knowledge that those in the know and in charge held a Penn State degree in very high regard. I've been as proud as anyone can be to not just be a mere Penn State fan, but to be an alumnus and a small part of the legacy of a great institution. And, at least for the time being... So much for all of that.
the program did nothing wrong here that would give others ammunition as far as cheating to win...and lets not act like penn state ran some pristine program...they had all kids of player issues with grades drugs and arrests in the last five years
and this scandal doesnt tarnish a degree from penn state in any way
Would you want to be job hunting right now with Penn State on your resume? I'm glad I'm not.
if anything it gives you a topic of conversation during your interview. and unless the interviewer was a victim of childhood ass rape, it shouldn't matter.
Quote from: FastFreddie on November 08, 2011, 04:32:20 PM
Would you want to be job hunting right now with Penn State on your resume? I'm glad I'm not.
Agreed. I'm glad I'm employed. I was a corporate comm major and a lot of what we do is branding. The Penn State brand is forever tarnished and this scandal will forever rot their image which was one of the most immaculate images in all of college sports. I always took pride in telling people I was a Penn State grad...now it's something that I'm ashamed of.
Quote from: SD on November 08, 2011, 05:13:06 PM
I always took pride in telling people I was a Penn State grad...now it's something that I'm ashamed of.
That's exactly what makes this difficult to deal with. Something that I've been proud to be a part of since I was a kid is now something the invokes feelings of shame and disgust.
Quote from: FastFreddie on November 08, 2011, 04:32:20 PM
Would you want to be job hunting right now with Penn State on your resume? I'm glad I'm not.
short of one of the kids fathers doing the hiring this wouldnt be an issue at all
99% of educated people in the world would be able to separate this scandal from a random kids penn state diploma
You give people too much credit.
nm
Quote from: FastFreddie on November 08, 2011, 04:18:30 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhanInDC on November 08, 2011, 01:02:23 PM
FF/RJS, on the real, sorry for you. Seems like this was the last shred of innocence for you and a lot of my friends and family held on to. I am kind of shocked it has this kind of effect on the people it went there.
I've always been able to excuse the usually-mediocre results on the football field with the knowledge that things were being done the "right" way.
This is where my confusion comes in regarding the reactions I see on here, Facebook, etc.. Most of the people I know (family, friends) that went to Penn State are generally pragmatic and skeptical, and see the world for what it is. RJS and you seem to be cut from a similar cloth. So I am a little surprised that they, and you, bought in to the school's image of wholesomeness when you would be likely to view persons in such positions in just about any other organization corrupt until proven otherwise. Does that make sense? Not trying to be offensive.
Quote from: FastFreddie on November 08, 2011, 09:03:33 PM
You give people too much credit.
So did you.
Criminal lawyer defends Paterno's actions both legally and morally (http://thatlawyerdude.blogspot.com/2011/11/strong-defense-of-joe-paterno-why.html?m=0)
Meh. I tend to agree with most of the comments still.
Quote from: rjs246 on November 08, 2011, 12:45:59 PM
No one cares about McQueary and he will be forgotten in a month. I agree with you but no one cares about him and he's the one who has to live with what he saw and what he did or didn't do.
i care...dook is like 6'5 220 and saw a 60 year old man raping a 10 year old boy and walked away...outside of sandusky obviously its easily the most despicable thing in this whole mess...plus looks like he was promoted to full time assistant and recruiting coordinator in exchange for his silence because theres no way you are sending a no name scrub ginger to make in home visits...at the very least he chose his own career over the safety of children...actually the janitors are worse than ginger but as far as known staff
1. sandusky
2. ginger
3. paterno
4. curley
5. spanier
Both millen and herm Edwards have called out ginger for being a Hoyda thus far in addition to the one kids mom.
No way they can let Mcqueary stand on the sideline this week. But who takes over his duties?
Quote from: SD on November 09, 2011, 08:00:24 AM
No way they can let Mcqueary stand on the sideline this week. But who takes over his duties?
Who cares? They're going to lose to Nebraska big anyway. But seriously... make Jay Paterno or Galen Hall stand on the sideline if you have to.
This just in: First axe falls on GRAHAM SPANIER as soon as this week. Rumor is he will be replaced on an interim basis by former governor Tom Ridge. BOOM
FOX Philly reports that the victim total is now up to 20. On Monday, state authorities publicized two phone numbers for potential victims to call. Unfortunately, those phones rang quite a bit, according to FOX.
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 09, 2011, 08:50:17 AM
FOX Philly reports that the victim total is now up to 20. On Monday, state authorities publicized two phone numbers for potential victims to call. Unfortunately, those phones rang quite a bit, according to FOX.
Had to know that was going to happen. While the Tiger Woods' scandal pales in comparison to the gravity of this situation, it's similar. There is obviously a pattern of deviant behavior and not just one or two isolated incidents.
i dont know the number but there had to have been literally thousands of kids thru second mile since its inception
Quote from: PhillyPhanInDC on November 09, 2011, 06:15:54 AM
This is where my confusion comes in regarding the reactions I see on here, Facebook, etc.. Most of the people I know (family, friends) that went to Penn State are generally pragmatic and skeptical, and see the world for what it is. RJS and you seem to be cut from a similar cloth. So I am a little surprised that they, and you, bought in to the school's image of wholesomeness when you would be likely to view persons in such positions in just about any other organization corrupt until proven otherwise. Does that make sense? Not trying to be offensive.
Not offensive. I think it's perfectly reasonable to ask how two grown, jaded, adults can be so impacted by this. I have a hard time understanding it too, but in the end I think the answer is actually pretty simple and I think you touched on it before. I've been a fan of Penn State and part of a Penn State family since birth. As I look back on my life with an ever-growing sense of skepticism, one of the only things that wasn't tainted by cranky old age and pragmatic realism was being a Penn State fan. Being a student, being an alum, even being a fan as a kid. There was never anything to taint that feeling of pride. Nothing. It was always easy and rewarding and something to be proud of.
Now, it's like being ten years old and finding out that Santa Claus does exist, but he serially rapes children. That last little piece of optimistic innocence is farging gone forever.
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 09, 2011, 07:38:14 AM
Quote from: rjs246 on November 08, 2011, 12:45:59 PM
No one cares about McQueary and he will be forgotten in a month. I agree with you but no one cares about him and he's the one who has to live with what he saw and what he did or didn't do.
i care...
I care too. I'd love to think that 6'5" or 5'11" or 4'6" everyone would intervene and do everything possible to stop what was happening, but I can understand the inability to comprehend or accept what he was seeing and the related inability to act. This isn't some geriatric stranger, this was a legend. A legend who McQueary knew personally and who he may have had a friendship/relationship with. He was probably a personal idol of McQueary's. On top of that, McQueary reported it to Paterno, who is almost definitely his idol and mentor and a god in his eyes, and Paterno set the example of reporting up the chain and nothing else, which I'm sure he expected McQueary to follow.
In a perfect world anyone and everyone should have acted decisively there, but there is context here.
Quote
Now, it's like being ten years old and finding out that Santa Claus does exist, but he serially rapes children.
I am sorry but this is hilarious.
And while I didn't graduate from Penn State, I did graduate from an affiliate and have taken several classes there....but more to the point I agree and understand with what rjs is saying. PSU was something you could always hang your hat on, not so much now.
Now Joe will retire at the end of the year, does anyone think he is actually allowed to finish the season?
Everything I've heard so far says he steps down at the end of the season.
colleges really arent that much different than a church or being in a cult...people get brainwashed by their loyalty to them....but they are just as corrupt and maybe more so than any other kind of organization...to treat penn state or any other school as some sort of deity is a joke
their football program led the world in player arrests and charges filed in the aughts...certainly something to hang your hat on
i dont see why he shouldnt be. look, he heard from gingery kid that something inappropriate was going on. put yourself in his shoes. if soomeone came to you and said i saw a coworker doing this...what do you do? you cant run to the cops, because if it turns out to be untrue for whatever reason, youre cooked. youre certainly not qualified to conduct a full investigation yourself. so the only option youre left with is exactly what joepa did...tell your superiors, the people who are responsible to investigate this claim and make a ruling. idk, i just get the feeling paterno is an easy target because hes the face of the school when imo i dont see him having much choice to do anything different
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 09, 2011, 10:20:36 AM
colleges really arent that much different than a church or being in a cult...people get brainwashed by their loyalty to them....but they are just as corrupt and maybe more so than any other kind of organization...to treat penn state or any other school as some sort of deity is a joke
their football program led the world in player arrests and charges filed in the aughts...certainly something to hang your hat on
I don't disagree and that is even more clear now than ever.
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 09, 2011, 10:20:36 AM
their football program led the world in player arrests and charges filed in the aughts...certainly something to hang your hat on
Who gives a shtein about player arrests? I got arrested in college too. What does that have to do with anything?
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on November 09, 2011, 10:24:29 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 09, 2011, 10:20:36 AM
colleges really arent that much different than a church or being in a cult...people get brainwashed by their loyalty to them....but they are just as corrupt and maybe more so than any other kind of organization...to treat penn state or any other school as some sort of deity is a joke
their football program led the world in player arrests and charges filed in the aughts...certainly something to hang your hat on
I don't disagree and that is even more clear now than ever.
Agreed. So PSU football is unique for having the same coach for multiple generations, not breaking any recruiting rules during that time, graduating more players than other comparable programs, and having nondescript uniforms. At this point a good reaction to that information is... Big farging whoop.
Quote from: rjs246 on November 09, 2011, 10:28:40 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 09, 2011, 10:20:36 AM
their football program led the world in player arrests and charges filed in the aughts...certainly something to hang your hat on
Who gives a shtein about player arrests? I got arrested in college too. What does that have to do with anything?
i certainly dont
but it has to do with acting as tho penn state was some god like squeaky clean school that was a "part of you"....they are no different than any other large institution...corrupt at its soul...colleges are money making organizations that could care less about anyone or their family and youd be best not to get sucked in...last time i checked human beings ran penn state
Quote from: rjs246 on November 09, 2011, 10:14:02 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 09, 2011, 07:38:14 AM
Quote from: rjs246 on November 08, 2011, 12:45:59 PM
No one cares about McQueary and he will be forgotten in a month. I agree with you but no one cares about him and he's the one who has to live with what he saw and what he did or didn't do.
i care...
I care too. I'd love to think that 6'5" or 5'11" or 4'6" everyone would intervene and do everything possible to stop what was happening, but I can understand the inability to comprehend or accept what he was seeing and the related inability to act. This isn't some geriatric stranger, this was a legend. A legend who McQueary knew personally and who he may have had a friendship/relationship with. He was probably a personal idol of McQueary's. On top of that, McQueary reported it to Paterno, who is almost definitely his idol and mentor and a god in his eyes, and Paterno set the example of reporting up the chain and nothing else, which I'm sure he expected McQueary to follow.
In a perfect world anyone and everyone should have acted decisively there, but there is context here.
ginger was 28....not 16...he was a grown adult who walked away from a child being savaged and then when he found out nothing was going to be done about this he not only still did nothing but he continued to work at the school and around sandusky and his gaggle of young boys....im sorry but farg "context" in this case
I totally get your perspective there and I'm repulsed by his inaction, just like I'm amazed by the inaction of Paterno et al. I'm just saying that I can rationalize what he did, whether I agree with it or not.
QuoteSTATE COLLEGE, Pa., Nov. 9, 2011 /PRNewswire/ -- I am absolutely devastated by the developments in this case. I grieve for the children and their families, and I pray for their comfort and relief.
I have come to work every day for the last 61 years with one clear goal in mind: To serve the best interests of this university and the young men who have been entrusted to my care. I have the same goal today.
That's why I have decided to announce my retirement effective at the end of this season. At this moment the Board of Trustees should not spend a single minute discussing my status. They have far more important matters to address. I want to make this as easy for them as I possibly can.
This is a tragedy. It is one of the great sorrows of my life. With the benefit of hindsight, I wish I had done more.
My goals now are to keep my commitments to my players and staff and finish the season with dignity and determination. And then I will spend the rest of my life doing everything I can to help this University.
Quote from: SunMo on November 09, 2011, 10:52:15 AM
QuoteSTATE COLLEGE, Pa., Nov. 9, 2011 /PRNewswire/ -- I wish I had done more.
that should have been the statement
im actually suprised the schools lawyers allowed him to admit that he farged up....putting out an admission like that is strong fuel for the civil suit fire that is going to happen
i also cant believe that he admitted farging up and is not retiring effective immediately...just go away...why the farg would you want your face plastered all over national tv during any remaining football games much less one 72 hours from now
no possible way ginger is on the sideline saturday is there?
I certainly do not feel like I am on par with the parents of my childhood friends. I would still default to calling them "Mr." and "Mrs." and reverting to the feeling of them being in power over me.
Now I try to imagine if I were a former player and current assistant for the football team. I grew up with the Sandusky children and am still close friends with them. My parents are close friends with Jerry and Dottie Sandusky. And oh, by the way, Sandusky is a revered long-time legend at Penn State.
Then, I'm putting some stuff away in the locker room after a long day, and I hear the shower running. I peek around the corner expecting to see that maybe someone left it running inadvertently. Instead, I see "Mr. Sandusky" farging a young boy.
Would love to think I'd beat the old man senseless, then wrap the boy in a towel, and go straight to the closest police station. I just think it's more idealistic than realistic.
I couldn't agree more, there is no reason to allow him to finish the season. He should be gone, I don't want to hear a bunch of people cheering for him on Saturday. There is nothing to be celebrated at this point.
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on November 09, 2011, 11:03:54 AM
I couldn't agree more, there is no reason to allow him to finish the season. He should be gone, I don't want to hear a bunch of people cheering for him on Saturday. There is nothing to be celebrated at this point.
that huge group of students who went to his house yesterday and started we are penn state chants outside his window in support of him made me ill
Quote from: FastFreddie on November 09, 2011, 11:02:42 AM
I certainly do not feel like I am on par with the parents of my childhood friends. I would still default to calling them "Mr." and "Mrs." and reverting to the feeling of them being in power over me.
Now I try to imagine if I were a former player and current assistant for the football team. I grew up with the Sandusky children and am still close friends with them. My parents are close friends with Jerry and Dottie Sandusky. And oh, by the way, Sandusky is a revered long-time legend at Penn State.
Then, I'm putting some stuff away in the locker room after a long day, and I hear the shower running. I peek around the corner expecting to see that maybe someone left it running inadvertently. Instead, I see "Mr. Sandusky" farging a young boy.
Would love to think I'd beat the old man senseless, then wrap the boy in a towel, and go straight to the closest police station. I just think it's more idealistic than realistic.
if you are intimating that he stood in the door way while sandusky blew the kid (i believe it was the janitors who witnessed humping) and started to weigh intervening or not because this guy was a revered ex coach of his and then decided it was best to walk away is incomprehensible to me...he also went to joe and reported it...so to say that he didnt do anything because he was so close to the sandusky family doesnt hold weight since he turned him in anyway
but lets say it makes sense...how do you then explain the next 5-6 years of him staying at penn state and being around sandusky and little boys
like i said before i also wonder how much his promotions acted as hush money
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 09, 2011, 11:23:04 AM
if you are intimating that he stood in the door way while sandusky blew the kid (i believe it was the janitors who witnessed humping) and started to weigh intervening or not because this guy was a revered ex coach of his and then decided it was best to walk away is incomprehensible to me...he also went to joe and reported it...so to say that he didnt do anything because he was so close to the sandusky family doesnt hold weight since he turned him in anyway
but lets say it makes sense...how do you then explain the next 5-6 years of him staying at penn state and being around sandusky and little boys
like i said before i also wonder how much his promotions acted as hush money
No, it was the other way around. McQueary saw a naked Sandusky humping a naked boy. Both Sandusky and the boy briefly looked back at him, and in that split second... he ran away.
After the fact he either had convinced himself he didn't see what he thought he saw (with the help of his dad, Paterno, Curley, and Schultz), or he had convinced himself it was an isolated incident (yeah, right).
As McQueary's story expands outside the existing documented facts, it will be really interesting to hear his rationalization. All I'm saying is that in that instant, I can't definitively say I could have done anything differently... and I think many who do are over-simplifying the situation due to the heinous nature of the crime and the desire to take gray area out of the discussion.
oh i can def see someone not doing anything...all the time people do nothing when they should help someone...im just saying hes despicable for it
theres actually some people calling him a victim
McQueary should off himself. Youre an adult and see a grown man raping a little boy and don't beat the bastich to death you automatically forfeit your right to go on living.
Quote from: FastFreddie on November 09, 2011, 11:35:16 AM
I can't definitively say I could have done anything differently... and I think many who do are over-simplifying the situation due to the heinous nature of the crime and the desire to take gray area out of the discussion.
Quote from: Rome on November 09, 2011, 11:45:24 AM
McQueary should off himself. Youre an adult and see a grown man raping a little boy and don't beat the bastich to death you automatically forfeit your right to go on living.
Fair to say you're a guy who prefers black and white over shades of gray, then?
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 09, 2011, 11:40:46 AM
oh i can def see someone not doing anything...all the time people do nothing when they should help someone...im just saying hes despicable for it
theres actually some people calling him a victim
Can't he be both a villain and a victim? By definition...
Quoteone that is acted on and usually adversely affected by a force or agent <the schools are victims of the social system>: as a (1) : one that is injured, destroyed, or sacrificed under any of various conditions <a victim of cancer> <a victim of the auto crash> <a murder victim> (2) : one that is subjected to oppression, hardship, or mistreatment <a frequent victim of political attacks> b : one that is tricked or duped <a con man's victim>
There is absolutely NO WAY McQueary isn't a victim here. The question is how much that is trumped by his role as a villain.
Even psychological scholars would say that Sandusky is a victim. He is obviously mentally ill and deeply disturbed. Maybe he was raped by an older man when he was a kid. I don't know and I don't care because of how big of a villain he his and the trail of victims he will leave.
It really is easier to simplify it, though. Something to be said for that approach, and I am looking into it.
what about his dad too....he should be called out as well...ginger put his career ahead of protecting chldren with dad consulting and both protecting joe
calling ginger a victim is as laughable as it gets
Urban Meyer watch is in full effect
they will be lucky to get oscar meyer after all this
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 09, 2011, 11:11:59 AM
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on November 09, 2011, 11:03:54 AM
I couldn't agree more, there is no reason to allow him to finish the season. He should be gone, I don't want to hear a bunch of people cheering for him on Saturday. There is nothing to be celebrated at this point.
that huge group of students who went to his house yesterday and started we are penn state chants outside his window in support of him made me ill
It's college kids looking for something to do or be "part of the moment" in this social media age. It's the same reason why thousands descended upon Beaver Ave and Old Main and outside Joe Pa's statue. So they could take video and pictures on their phone and Twitter/Facebook it.
Also, I can't believe anyone called Ginger a victim.... he turned a blind eye for his coaching career. Throw him in the cell with Sandusky.
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 09, 2011, 12:18:21 PM
they will be lucky to get oscar meyer after all this
LOL
If older women who like younger men are called cougars, does that mean that older men who like little boys are called Nittany Lions?
that's a fresh and original joke that hasn't been repeated 200000 times. well done.
Latest is that Spanier won't last through today.
Also, the circus wouldn't be complete without a planned protest from Westboro Baptist Church! Check out their website at www-dot-godhatesRomes-dot-com for details!
Yes, that's really their site.
i still fully expect joe to resign this week but at minimum not be there saturday....its just unpossible to me that he will be anywhere near that stadium in three days for a game...how do you have the balls to say you are retiring because you didnt do more regarding the child abuse but not retiring quite yet...
hey guys gimme another three games and a bowl to pile up some more win milestones while im in the middle of a child sex scandel....thats just unbelievable...furthermore he says hes doing this out of the goodness of his heart so that its one less thing the board of trustees has to worry about at this time...just in case some people might have thought joes coaching status is not as important as kiddie rape
He has no more milestones to hit. Brings up another question of the timing of this indictment the weekend immediately after he passes Eddie Robinson. If not it is quite the coincidence.
I suspect he wouldn't even personally mind being removed prior to Saturday, but he is attempting to allow for as much continuity as possible for the good of all those involved in the program who are innocent... and as his statement says, to allow the board to focus on making other heads roll. He was miserable coaching this year even prior to this... medically cleared to be on the sideline but has given up and stuck with the press box. Two quarterbacks, one with all the talent and one with all the intangibles. He just seems sick of it and was probably done at the end of the season anyway.
So, it could definitely be argued that he's self-serving by trying to leave "on his own" terms, but frankly I think he'd be relieved if he were forced out this week. Christ, it's not like they're going to beat Nebraska anyway.
its going to be so incredibly uncomfortable seeing that creepy old dood chillin out and coaching his football team on national tv while child rape victims are popping up all over state college...i dont know if the old man just doesnt get it cares more about records than kids or is just so full of himself that hes like im gonna throw this in the face of as many people as i can...
fact is he needs to be as far away from a penn state fiootball game as possible ever again but especially right now
and the board excuse is preposterous...what does him coaching this weekend have to do with allowing the board to concentrate on the scandal
on a football note nebraska lost at home to northwestern so i wouldnt say theres no way penn state will beat them
McQueary has been informed that he will not be coaching on Saturday.
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 09, 2011, 01:50:11 PM
its going to be so incredibly uncomfortable seeing that creepy old dood chillin out and coaching his football team on national tv while child rape victims are popping up all over state college...i dont know if the old man just doesnt get it cares more about records than kids or is just so full of himself that hes like im gonna throw this in the face of as many people as i can...
fact is he needs to be as far away from a penn state fiootball game as possible ever again but especially right now
and the board excuse is preposterous...what does him coaching this weekend have to do with allowing the board to concentrate on the scandal
on a football note nebraska lost at home to northwestern so i wouldnt say theres no way penn state will beat them
JoePa didn't rape any kids.
1. sandusky
2. ginger
3. Gricar
4. Curley
5.Schultz
6. Spanier
7. Paterno
Let's not forget the initial case in 1998, where the DA/police ignored Sandusky admitting to a mom that he acted "inappropriately."
Some of our comments seem a bit flippant in retrospect (http://www.concretefield.info/forum/index.php?topic=17769.msg816806#msg816806).
drunkmasterflex ftw
So is it true that Spanier leaked the story about Joe Pa being forced out to the NYT?
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wtf ? :sly
When something is this big, details aren't going to get in the way from random people voicing their opinions.
Quote from: FastFreddie on November 09, 2011, 02:50:37 PM
When something is this big, details aren't going to get in the way from random people voicing their opinions.
Is that a Penn State student???
Also, did you see some of the kids interviewed during the rally/riot last night??? Clearly have no idea the relevance/importance of the situation and just looking for a reason to party/congregate.
That is SHOCKING behavior from college students.
Quote from: FastFreddie on November 09, 2011, 03:10:20 PM
That is SHOCKING behavior from college students.
I'm not implying that it isn't. Rallying when Osami is killed = cool... Rallying when your school covered up a pedophilia scandal = not so cool?
i get why they would try to show support of the face of their institution, it's probably a little misplaced though
Quote from: Hawk on November 09, 2011, 02:10:58 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 09, 2011, 01:50:11 PM
its going to be so incredibly uncomfortable seeing that creepy old dood chillin out and coaching his football team on national tv while child rape victims are popping up all over state college...i dont know if the old man just doesnt get it cares more about records than kids or is just so full of himself that hes like im gonna throw this in the face of as many people as i can...
fact is he needs to be as far away from a penn state fiootball game as possible ever again but especially right now
and the board excuse is preposterous...what does him coaching this weekend have to do with allowing the board to concentrate on the scandal
on a football note nebraska lost at home to northwestern so i wouldnt say theres no way penn state will beat them
JoePa didn't rape any kids.
1. sandusky
2. ginger
3. Gricar
4. Curley
5.Schultz
6. Spanier
7. Paterno
Let's not forget the initial case in 1998, where the DA/police ignored Sandusky admitting to a mom that he acted "inappropriately."
in 1998 paternos good friend and right hand man gets accused of and admits to child molestation
in 2002 paternos good friend and former right hand man rapes a kid in football locker room shower
so what does the emperor of penn state do?...he tells the AD and then forgets about it forever
FF to 1997 sandusky is still bringing children to paternos practices and games
joe did everything but rape kids...he was the pope and sandusky was his bishop
joes absolutely deserves more blame than curley or spanier...its not even close...and hes rigth there with the rest of them because he oversaw all this happen and was the god up there...he should be held to a higher standard...either way no matter what order you put them in the fact is if this guy coaches one more game much less the rest of a season at penn state it will be a complete travesty...he should retire and go away forever...just go die in silence somewhere
go temple
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 09, 2011, 03:17:54 PM
Quote from: Hawk on November 09, 2011, 02:10:58 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 09, 2011, 01:50:11 PM
its going to be so incredibly uncomfortable seeing that creepy old dood chillin out and coaching his football team on national tv while child rape victims are popping up all over state college...i dont know if the old man just doesnt get it cares more about records than kids or is just so full of himself that hes like im gonna throw this in the face of as many people as i can...
fact is he needs to be as far away from a penn state fiootball game as possible ever again but especially right now
and the board excuse is preposterous...what does him coaching this weekend have to do with allowing the board to concentrate on the scandal
on a football note nebraska lost at home to northwestern so i wouldnt say theres no way penn state will beat them
JoePa didn't rape any kids.
1. sandusky
2. ginger
3. Gricar
4. Curley
5.Schultz
6. Spanier
7. Paterno
Let's not forget the initial case in 1998, where the DA/police ignored Sandusky admitting to a mom that he acted "inappropriately."
in 1998 paternos good friend and right hand man gets accused of and admits to child molestation
in 2002 paternos good friend and former right hand man rapes a kid in football locker room shower
so what does the emperor of penn state do?...he tells the AD and then forgets about it forever
FF to 1997 sandusky is still bringing children to paternos practices and games
joe did everything but rape kids...he was the pope and sandusky was his bishop
joes absolutely deserves more blame than curley or spanier...its not even close...and hes rigth there with the rest of them because he oversaw all this happen and was the god up there...he should be held to a higher standard...either way no matter what order you put them in the fact is if this guy coaches one more game much less the rest of a season at penn state it will be a complete travesty...he should retire and go away forever...just go die in silence somewhere
I still think that the actual witnesses of the acts are way more morally reprehensible than JoePa. Ginger and the janitors are pathetic human beings themself. Then the DA who didn't file charges back in 1998, as well as all those involved in the investigation should come in at number 3 in the responsibility list. Don't know where to rank the rest of the crew yet, I think there's still a lot of details to come out.
For all we know there could be more kiddie diddlers than just Sandusky up in Happy Valley.
i have a cousin who's 1 class shy of graduating with a masters from penn state who is now planning to transfer her credits to albright to graduate. can't say i blame her, i would be embarrassed to have a degree from there right now.
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I couldn't agree more, there is no reason to allow him to finish the season. He should be gone, I don't want to hear a bunch of people cheering for him on Saturday. There is nothing to be celebrated at this point.
that huge group of students who went to his house yesterday and started we are penn state chants outside his window in support of him made me ill
this. that entire sham last night was nauseating.
i know it isn't the line being purported by most people here, but i can't see how anyone is viewing Paterno as a scapegoat. It is quite clear from his own testimony that he knew what had occurred, probably knew about what had occurred in '98, and didn't go to the police. The entire athletic department is complicit in this. Not only did no one go to the police, they allowed Sandusky to continue coming to the school. In '98 it was clear to them there was some inappropriate behavior (to say the least) between Sandusky and the at-risk kids, and they still let him not only come to the school/keep an office etc, but bring kids in unsupervised. Are you kidding me?
Even ignoring the fact that McQueary being a 28y.o. D1 athlete should have beaten the shtein out of a guy sodomizing a 10year old kid, not reporting it to the police is awful. Who needs to go home and talk to their dad about it? Bleh the whole situation makes me physically ill.
all it took was 1 person within the PSU athletic department who knew what was going on to do something about it. ONE person and the kids who he went after post 2002 probably don't have their lives irrevocably changed.
Quote from: charlie on November 09, 2011, 03:39:19 PM
i have a cousin who's 1 class shy of graduating with a masters from penn state who is now planning to transfer her credits to albright to graduate. can't say i blame her, i would be embarrassed to have a degree from there right now.
thats just silly
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 09, 2011, 03:48:41 PM
Quote from: charlie on November 09, 2011, 03:39:19 PM
i have a cousin who's 1 class shy of graduating with a masters from penn state who is now planning to transfer her credits to albright to graduate. can't say i blame her, i would be embarrassed to have a degree from there right now.
thats just silly
maybe. but a degree is about the reputation and the prestige of the school more than what you do in the classroom. she doesn't want the name attached to hers. can't say i blame her.
Quote from: charlie on November 09, 2011, 03:53:29 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 09, 2011, 03:48:41 PM
Quote from: charlie on November 09, 2011, 03:39:19 PM
i have a cousin who's 1 class shy of graduating with a masters from penn state who is now planning to transfer her credits to albright to graduate. can't say i blame her, i would be embarrassed to have a degree from there right now.
thats just silly
maybe. but a degree is about the reputation and the prestige of the school more than what you do in the classroom. she doesn't want the name attached to hers. can't say i blame her.
Keep me up to date on her success with doing so, because graduate schools are EXTREMELY hesitant to give you their paper if you don't take a majority of your coursework there. Would be VERY surprised if any graduate school with a reputation worth preferring over Penn State would be amenable to this.
That said I agree with her reasoning for trying and said so much yesterday. But the counter-point received was equally valid and less influenced by emotion.
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on November 09, 2011, 03:47:43 PM
all it took was 1 person within the PSU athletic department who knew what was going on to do something about it. ONE person and the kids who he went after post 2002 probably don't have their lives irrevocably changed.
i want an investigation into the 1998 case and why it wasnt prosecuted...the only legit explanantion was paterno at minimum influenced the decision if not directly made it go away
There's a reason Ray Gricar has been missing since 2005 and his laptop was found in the Susquehanna.
Quote from: FastFreddie on November 09, 2011, 04:09:12 PM
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Quote from: ice grillin you on November 09, 2011, 03:48:41 PM
Quote from: charlie on November 09, 2011, 03:39:19 PM
i have a cousin who's 1 class shy of graduating with a masters from penn state who is now planning to transfer her credits to albright to graduate. can't say i blame her, i would be embarrassed to have a degree from there right now.
thats just silly
maybe. but a degree is about the reputation and the prestige of the school more than what you do in the classroom. she doesn't want the name attached to hers. can't say i blame her.
Keep me up to date on her success with doing so, because graduate schools are EXTREMELY hesitant to give you their paper if you don't take a majority of your coursework there. Would be VERY surprised if any graduate school with a reputation worth preferring over Penn State would be amenable to this.
That said I agree with her reasoning for trying and said so much yesterday. But the counter-point received was equally valid and less influenced by emotion.
i dont think it will work to where she'd have to only take 1 class at a new school. i transferred grad school credits once (not penn state) and had to retake 9 credits out of 24 because there was no equivalent. but it's not impossible.
sorry but anyone who transfers out of penn state because of what a horrible old man and some administrators did needs to get a grip on reality.
i've never been a rah rah school pride guy, and yeah it's embarrassing at the moment, but it doesn't make the education, memories, friends i made there, etc., any less. it's not going to change my life one bit.
and maybe i just work with/hang out with more reasonable people than most but even though yeah i've had to talk about it with people over the last few days, no one thinks any less of me.
^^^^
exactly
its classic in the moment overreaction
Quote from: phattymatty on November 09, 2011, 04:23:32 PM
and maybe i just work with/hang out with more reasonable people than most but even though yeah i've had to talk about it with people over the last few days, no one thinks any less of me.
I've had a similar experience. If anything, they are really intrigued to find out how I feel about it or take pity on me.
I think there will be a noticeable impact the next few years, and then it should gradually dissipate. Reasonable people know that none of the students etc should be tarnished at all for this, but there will be some subconscious stigma unfairly attached.
I will say though that I don't think its quite so simple as to just discard it as a few individuals making bad choices. It seems everyone who matters within the AD has some level of blame here, and the President has fault. That is more systemic than just a few people, but I agree with your point nonetheless.
forget the very huge factor of it being the right thing to do to report this stuff to Second Mile, police, fbi, whomever...
why would anybody in this day and age think that they can cover anything like this up? at the very least if you're not a good enough person to follow up on it, wouldn't you follow up on it just to cover your own ass when lid eventually blows off?
Quote from: SunMo on November 09, 2011, 02:45:02 PM
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I hope she gets molested with the lights on in front of a mirror so she can know whats happening.
Quote from: phattymatty on November 09, 2011, 04:23:32 PM
sorry but anyone who transfers out of penn state because of what a horrible old man and some administrators did needs to get a grip on reality.
i've never been a rah rah school pride guy, and yeah it's embarrassing at the moment, but it doesn't make the education, memories, friends i made there, etc., any less. it's not going to change my life one bit.
and maybe i just work with/hang out with more reasonable people than most but even though yeah i've had to talk about it with people over the last few days, no one thinks any less of me.
Exactly. WTF are people doing transferring? Jesus. I'm sort of distraught about the whole thing for totally internal reasons but I can't imagine anyone giving a flying farg about it with regards to how they actually think of me.
Quote from: SunMo on November 09, 2011, 04:41:35 PM
forget the very huge factor of it being the right thing to do to report this stuff to Second Mile, police, fbi, whomever...
why would anybody in this day and age think that they can cover anything like this up? at the very least if you're not a good enough person to follow up on it, wouldn't you follow up on it just to cover your own ass when lid eventually blows off?
I read stuff today that Second Mile was made aware of this a few years ago (if I remember correctly), and didn't do anything about it either.
I find it hard to believe there are that many zesty people in this world.
Quote from: rjs246 on November 09, 2011, 04:48:46 PM
Quote from: phattymatty on November 09, 2011, 04:23:32 PM
sorry but anyone who transfers out of penn state because of what a horrible old man and some administrators did needs to get a grip on reality.
i've never been a rah rah school pride guy, and yeah it's embarrassing at the moment, but it doesn't make the education, memories, friends i made there, etc., any less. it's not going to change my life one bit.
and maybe i just work with/hang out with more reasonable people than most but even though yeah i've had to talk about it with people over the last few days, no one thinks any less of me.
Exactly. WTF are people doing transferring? Jesus. I'm sort of distraught about the whole thing for totally internal reasons but I can't imagine anyone giving a flying farg about it with regards to how they actually think of me.
It might have something to do with a less than stellar opinion of you in the first place, though.
Yes, you're probably right about that.
The first thing I thought of when I woke up this morning was this freaking scandal. I forget about it at work because I'm so busy but once I hit my car and listen to the radio it all starts again. I usually don't take shtein like this to heart but when you've dedicated your entire life to one school and drank all the blue and white kool-aid it kicks you in the ass when something bad like this happens. I mean, if you dreamed up the worst possible scenario it wouldn't be this bad.
So, wait... people are actually considering transferring out of Penn State because of this? What a bunch of weakminded farging bitches.
I have to say the video of the students cheering it up for Paterno like it was some sort of pep rally was really awful, however.
Shows a lack of common sense on their parts, but then again, they're college kids so it's not really all that surprising.
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 09, 2011, 03:17:54 PM
Quote from: Hawk on November 09, 2011, 02:10:58 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 09, 2011, 01:50:11 PM
its going to be so incredibly uncomfortable seeing that creepy old dood chillin out and coaching his football team on national tv while child rape victims are popping up all over state college...i dont know if the old man just doesnt get it cares more about records than kids or is just so full of himself that hes like im gonna throw this in the face of as many people as i can...
fact is he needs to be as far away from a penn state fiootball game as possible ever again but especially right now
and the board excuse is preposterous...what does him coaching this weekend have to do with allowing the board to concentrate on the scandal
on a football note nebraska lost at home to northwestern so i wouldnt say theres no way penn state will beat them
JoePa didn't rape any kids.
1. sandusky
2. ginger
3. Gricar
4. Curley
5.Schultz
6. Spanier
7. Paterno
Let's not forget the initial case in 1998, where the DA/police ignored Sandusky admitting to a mom that he acted "inappropriately."
in 1998 paternos good friend and right hand man gets accused of and admits to child molestation
in 2002 paternos good friend and former right hand man rapes a kid in football locker room shower
so what does the emperor of penn state do?...he tells the AD and then forgets about it forever
FF to 1997 sandusky is still bringing children to paternos practices and games
joe did everything but rape kids...he was the pope and sandusky was his bishop
joes absolutely deserves more blame than curley or spanier...its not even close...and hes rigth there with the rest of them because he oversaw all this happen and was the god up there...he should be held to a higher standard...either way no matter what order you put them in the fact is if this guy coaches one more game much less the rest of a season at penn state it will be a complete travesty...he should retire and go away forever...just go die in silence somewhere
Joe Hated Sandusky, Sandusky hated him. I have no clue where you're getting that they were out ripping beers and banging 12 year olds together.
Speaking of which, some are now suggesting that the players shouldn't play on Saturday out of solidarity for the victims. Neat, that's just what will let the healing begin.
The coverage of this has ranged from the lazy to the absurd.
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on November 09, 2011, 07:35:18 PM
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Quote from: Hawk on November 09, 2011, 02:10:58 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 09, 2011, 01:50:11 PM
its going to be so incredibly uncomfortable seeing that creepy old dood chillin out and coaching his football team on national tv while child rape victims are popping up all over state college...i dont know if the old man just doesnt get it cares more about records than kids or is just so full of himself that hes like im gonna throw this in the face of as many people as i can...
fact is he needs to be as far away from a penn state fiootball game as possible ever again but especially right now
and the board excuse is preposterous...what does him coaching this weekend have to do with allowing the board to concentrate on the scandal
on a football note nebraska lost at home to northwestern so i wouldnt say theres no way penn state will beat them
JoePa didn't rape any kids.
1. sandusky
2. ginger
3. Gricar
4. Curley
5.Schultz
6. Spanier
7. Paterno
Let's not forget the initial case in 1998, where the DA/police ignored Sandusky admitting to a mom that he acted "inappropriately."
in 1998 paternos good friend and right hand man gets accused of and admits to child molestation
in 2002 paternos good friend and former right hand man rapes a kid in football locker room shower
so what does the emperor of penn state do?...he tells the AD and then forgets about it forever
FF to 1997 sandusky is still bringing children to paternos practices and games
joe did everything but rape kids...he was the pope and sandusky was his bishop
joes absolutely deserves more blame than curley or spanier...its not even close...and hes rigth there with the rest of them because he oversaw all this happen and was the god up there...he should be held to a higher standard...either way no matter what order you put them in the fact is if this guy coaches one more game much less the rest of a season at penn state it will be a complete travesty...he should retire and go away forever...just go die in silence somewhere
Joe Hated Sandusky, Sandusky hated him. I have no clue where you're getting that they were out ripping beers and banging 12 year olds together.
whatever makes you feel better about all this...i just hope to god you arent in somehow trying to defend paterno
Penn State's current students will do anything to defend him at this point. I'm been getting in Facebook debates most of the night. Apparently posting videos of Joe PA in his living room makes it ok to defend him. If he didn't seem like a confused grandpa I don't think they'd be defending him.
sometimes in situations like this the people defending someone at least have a sort of gray area...like its not really clear what happened....or its a he said she said thing where you take a side...or the defenders try and minimize the crime...but paterno (and all these other people involved) are so blatantly on the wrong side of just about the worst crime there is that its hard to believe youd find more than a handful of morons defending him....thats why that demonstration last night was so apalling
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 09, 2011, 08:54:44 PM
sometimes in situations like this the people defending someone at least have a sort of gray area...like its not really clear what happened....or its a he said she said thing where you take a side...or the defenders try and minimize the crime...but paterno (and all these other people involved) are so blatantly on the wrong side of just about the worst crime there is that its hard to believe youd find more than a handful of morons defending him....thats why that demonstration last night was so apalling
pretty much
I've been told that I don't understand because I didn't go to Penn State??? I'm confused what that means. If Martelli was accused of covering up this type of shtein, I'd wash my hands of him so fast. In fact, I wash my hands of already for being such an overrated coach.
My boss had an interesting take on it. He said if he ever heard of or personally witnessed anything going on like that (meaning adult sexual crimes, not child molestation) the first thing he would do is go to his boss and then immediately demand they both go to the police together.
Makes sense, right? You go up the chain of command out of self-preservation if for no other reason.
If your boss refuses it's up to you to do whatever you have to do to get the word out and if the local iceholes don't listen, you take it to someone (state law enforcement) who will.
The coverup is going to end up costing everyone everything. It always does and it's so goddamn stupid and senseless.
What are the odds of Sandusky offing himself???
How about the odds on Ginger??? Pretty sure he'll never sniff a job again being the "guy who watched a kid get raped, did nothing, and went home and told daddy?
in the case of the penn state situation...if im ginger or ginger sr. the minute i realize that my information is not being taken seriously im going to the media...no better place to blow something up than to do that
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Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on November 09, 2011, 07:35:18 PM
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its going to be so incredibly uncomfortable seeing that creepy old dood chillin out and coaching his football team on national tv while child rape victims are popping up all over state college...i dont know if the old man just doesnt get it cares more about records than kids or is just so full of himself that hes like im gonna throw this in the face of as many people as i can...
fact is he needs to be as far away from a penn state fiootball game as possible ever again but especially right now
and the board excuse is preposterous...what does him coaching this weekend have to do with allowing the board to concentrate on the scandal
on a football note nebraska lost at home to northwestern so i wouldnt say theres no way penn state will beat them
JoePa didn't rape any kids.
1. sandusky
2. ginger
3. Gricar
4. Curley
5.Schultz
6. Spanier
7. Paterno
Let's not forget the initial case in 1998, where the DA/police ignored Sandusky admitting to a mom that he acted "inappropriately."
in 1998 paternos good friend and right hand man gets accused of and admits to child molestation
in 2002 paternos good friend and former right hand man rapes a kid in football locker room shower
so what does the emperor of penn state do?...he tells the AD and then forgets about it forever
FF to 1997 sandusky is still bringing children to paternos practices and games
joe did everything but rape kids...he was the pope and sandusky was his bishop
joes absolutely deserves more blame than curley or spanier...its not even close...and hes rigth there with the rest of them because he oversaw all this happen and was the god up there...he should be held to a higher standard...either way no matter what order you put them in the fact is if this guy coaches one more game much less the rest of a season at penn state it will be a complete travesty...he should retire and go away forever...just go die in silence somewhere
Joe Hated Sandusky, Sandusky hated him. I have no clue where you're getting that they were out ripping beers and banging 12 year olds together.
whatever makes you feel better about all this...i just hope to god you arent in somehow trying to defend paterno
I'm going total homer mode because i'm stating what was public knowledge, or even in Missinelli's book.
Seriously though. Not at all. He deserves a lot of the blame, but he's late in the line as Hawk listed. I don't know the internal workings of how it all went down, but i know kids lives are screwed up forever. Simply put, he did everything right from a legal perspective, but from a moral standpoint it was a gigantic failure, and one that will cost him shame in his legacy.
How many rape victims refuse to identify their rapists? How many witnesses refuse to testify in criminal cases? We all like to think we'd do the moral or ethical thing and I sincerely hope everyone here including myself would do the right thing if faced with such a choice.
couldnt joe have not told anyone and he still wouldnt have done anything illegal....when i hear it brought up that he did nothing illegal it makes me ill
twice that we know of...and im sure its more since they worked together for 30 years joe knew of sandusky molesting boys and twice he either did nothing or passed it off to someone who had a history of also burying the acts and then acted like it never happend...and thats if you dont believe that he influenced decisions by any number of people whether the police or the AD/president to bury sanduskys transgressions
and not only that but still was allowing sandusky to come to closed practices with boys....doesnt sound like they hated each other to me....unless they hated each other but had a mutual love of children with pee pee's
There's a difference between vague suspicion & outright complicity. You understand that, right?
Look, what Paterno did or didn't do is really irrelevant now. He's going to lose his job and be shown the door after 61 years of 99.999999999999% of doing it the right way.
That in no way eases the pain & suffering of Sandusky's victims, and yes, JoePa should ultimately be held accountable for the actions of his staff, but equating in any way his inaction to Sandusky's actions is really overreaching.
For all we know Joe asked the AD/President to look into it. They came back and said it was unfounded as came out in the Grand Jury. From what I've heard MM didnt say exactly what he saw, as compared to what he revealed in the Grand Jury interview. I have no clue, its just sickening that this happened.
The fact that you think Joe Pa is a bigger issue than Sandusky is typical IGY mode.
oh he was 100% complicit in the cover up theres no doubt about that and that complicity led DIRECTLY to more kids being raped.....does that put joe on the same level as the rapist...no....but it doesnt put him far behind
PSU news conference at 10 PM. This is odd.
Paterno will not coach another game. Spanier will resign.
And Sandusky will be executed on live tv? Good.
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on November 09, 2011, 09:50:37 PM
For all we know Joe asked the AD/President to look into it. They came back and said it was unfounded as came out in the Grand Jury. From what I've heard MM didnt say exactly what he saw, as compared to what he revealed in the Grand Jury interview. I have no clue, its just sickening that this happened.
lolol you are a joke and should be ashamed of yourself...."from what ive heard"...youve heard from a bunch of men covering sex acts by another man for years....of course they are going to scapegoat ginger....plus this was the second time (that we know of) that joe heard about sandusky raping kids...guess he needed to hear about five or ten more before he believed it...and if you dont think at some other points since 1977 there were other incidents that were covered up then you are more of a fool than i thought
Quote from: SD on November 09, 2011, 09:55:42 PM
Paterno will not coach another game. Spanier will resign.
thank god....you knew there was just no way paterno would/could coach another game....its his god complex that thought he could coach out the rest of the year....he just doesnt get it and never will
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 09, 2011, 09:57:36 PM
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on November 09, 2011, 09:50:37 PM
For all we know Joe asked the AD/President to look into it. They came back and said it was unfounded as came out in the Grand Jury. From what I've heard MM didnt say exactly what he saw, as compared to what he revealed in the Grand Jury interview. I have no clue, its just sickening that this happened.
lolol you are a joke and should be ashamed of yourself...."from what ive heard"...youve heard from a bunch of men covering sex acts by another man for years....of course they are going to scapegoat ginger....plus this was the second time (that we know of) that joe heard about sandusky raping kids...guess he needed to hear about five or ten more before he believed it...and if you dont think at some other points since 1977 there were other incidents that were covered up then you are more of a fool than i thought
Quote from: SD on November 09, 2011, 09:55:42 PM
Paterno will not coach another game. Spanier will resign.
thank god....you knew there was just no way paterno would/could coach another game....its his god complex that thought he could coach out the rest of the year....he just doesnt get it and never will
And you're a 38 year old (http://www.pal.ua.edu/discipline/_img/foul_language.jpg). It is what it is i guess since I don't know all of the facts i dont JUMP to Conclusions. I think Joe farged up. He had a chance to stop this well before it went on. I do think that the powers that be at the school clearly swept it under the Rug.
nice first you defend the cover up of kiddie rape and now are dropping racist bombs...i love middle america
lol at the most racist person in the board crying racist cause someone said "wigger"
Jim Gardner reporting that Spanier is out and JoePA will not coach another game??
Riots on PSU Campus? Let's hope 8)
Racist bombs? Kiddie Rape Defending? Sandusky needs to have his dick/balls, and hands cut off immediately on TV. My wife deals unfortunately with shteinbirds who do this crap year in year out. It's sickening as can be.
Quote from: Munson on November 09, 2011, 10:03:34 PM
lol at the most racist person in the board crying racist cause someone said "wigger"
I'm just amazed that it took this long for this conversation to devolve into name calling
Ultimately its wrong, but i would have been called a Middle American because I like to shoot deer and drink beer.
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 09, 2011, 10:00:46 PM
nice first you defend the cover up of kiddie rape and now are dropping racist bombs...i love middle america
its fully deserved but still unbelievable to me that 50 years of building a legacy is POOF! gone in what has it been 96 hours?
just unreal
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on November 09, 2011, 10:05:58 PM
Racist bombs?
im not gonna try and explain to ignorants...all i will say is im turning in for the night...and i ask you when you do the same think about the word you dropped what it means and then what it could be saying about black people...shock me tomorrow with a non MA answer and well consider this a lesson learned and write up an after action report
Tom Bradley interim head coach
Anything yet about MM? I heard he was offered a buy out, or could stay on.
Is Curley still AD?
Surma just stepped into the biggest shtein storm on the earth right now.
And Mcgeary is still a coach?? Are you farging kidding me???
"What would be the harm in the coach coaching the rest of the season?"
for real?
Seriously, if they are going to clean house, Curley and Ginger should not still be employed. Looks like they are scapegoating JoePa, it should be an all or nothing thing.
I have to think he's only employed because he testified truthfully in the case, and they cant fire him for that.
Prepare for the Riots
The presser is getting intense haha.. Sound like the student paper geek is grilling him.
LMAO, riots downtown
people asking these questions are farging morons.
dude who is answering them is doing a nice job though.
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on November 09, 2011, 10:33:05 PM
people asking these questions are farging morons.
dude who is answering them is doing a nice job though.
The one kid sounded like he was 15.
Matt Millen is a great analyst and one of the voices of reasons in this whole mess.
Matt Millen is on the verge of tears on ESPN right now.
And this mess has preempted a Temple football game on ESPN. Mock?
Quote from: Rome on November 09, 2011, 10:44:32 PM
Matt Millen is on the verge of tears on ESPN right now.
And this mess has preempted a Temple football game on ESPN. Mock?
That must really piss off Todd.
He's covering a girls JV field hockey game in Laredo. He'll be fine.
CNN has good coverage on campus if you are tired of listening to phone calls on ESPN.
Twitter reports of Tear Gas and Mace.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on November 09, 2011, 10:47:18 PM
Quote from: Rome on November 09, 2011, 10:44:32 PM
Matt Millen is on the verge of tears on ESPN right now.
And this mess has preempted a Temple football game on ESPN. Mock?
That must really piss off Todd.
Just became bowl-eligible before Al Golden's team. Todd's gonna celebrate with a crack whore tonight
Some crazy pictures of the riots right now. crazy.
Dr Phil just stranger dangered us.
(http://media.247sports.com/Uploads/Boards/102/6102/292990.jpg)
There's still no evidence that JoePa knew anything more then that there was "inappropriate conduct" going on. And anything he did know was just word of mouth. You can't run to the cops with that and take the chance is a false allegation.. You can't conduct your own investigation. You have to report it to your superiors and hope they do the right thing. they didn't.
Good opinion piece on Ginger.
http://sports.yahoo.com/top/news?slug=ycn-10399373
Quote from: Munson on November 09, 2011, 11:35:21 PM
There's still no evidence that JoePa knew anything more then that there was "inappropriate conduct" going on. And anything he did know was just word of mouth. You can't run to the cops with that and take the chance is a false allegation.. You can't conduct your own investigation. You have to report it to your superiors and hope they do the right thing. they didn't.
give me a farging break:
"Joseph V. Paterno testified to receiving the graduate assistant's report at his home on a Saturday morning. Paterno testified that the graduate assistant was very upset. Paterno called Tim Curley ("Curley"), Penn State Athletic Director and Paterno's immediate superior, to his home the very next day, a Sunday, and reported to him that the graduate assistant had seen Jerry Sandusky in the Lasch Building showers fondling or doing something of a sexual nature to a young boy."
You go to the police with that if nothing happens. You don't sit on your hands and then let the dude continue to come to the school etc after this. Sandusky delivered the commencement address in 2007 for christ's sake.
You can't go to the police? Of course you can, and SHOULD. You tell the police what was reported (especially in light of the stuff in 98 which Paterno was obviously aware of), and let them decide what to do.
They swept it under the rug, which is just the saddest part for the kids involved. They reap what they sow, but its just difficult to see this happen. I'd have love to have been a fly on the wall for the call to the paterno house tonight.
For the record, anyone saying that what Paterno did is comparable to Sandusky is going way too far, but at the same time, saying there is no way he should have gone to the police with this is also crazy and ridiculous to me. Read the grand jury testimony. You don't even need to believe the stories that have been leaked that McQueary went into great detail with Paterno. It is clear that Paterno knew enough, and coupled with what happened in 98, you have a duty to other kids who could be molested to present this to the police.
Quote from: Rome on November 09, 2011, 10:48:19 PM
He's covering a girls JV field hockey game in Laredo. He'll be fine.
laredo is like 3 hours from me...the only time one my teams could play a team from laredo is in the 2nd round of the playoffs, and generally they meet in the middle. which will be the case next saturday (in corpus) if both sides win this week. and on top of that, i need travel approval to go which of course is a whole different issue with these cheap funholes i work for.
anyway, back to the child rapist protectors: the psu students are idiots.
If I remember reading, he gave that to his athletic director, and the ensuing investigation that occurred found no evidence. Why would Paterno have any reason to believe they were lying to him?
It was their resposnibility to conduct a complete investigation and go to the police with it. They didn't, and all they had to say to Paterno was "well we found no evidence of any wrong doing". It's a shame that he's bearing the brunt of this when he's like 8-10 names down on the list of people to blame.
Quote from: Munson on November 09, 2011, 11:56:21 PM
If I remember reading, he gave that to his athletic director, and the ensuing investigation that occurred found no evidence. Why would Paterno have any reason to believe they were lying to him?
It was their resposnibility to conduct a complete investigation and go to the police with it. They didn't, and all they had to say to Paterno was "well we found no evidence of any wrong doing". It's a shame that he's bearing the brunt of this when he's like 8-10 names down on the list of people to blame.
Dude, nothing that you're saying makes any sense to me. If they all decided McQueary was lying, does he magically get promoted from being a graduate assistant that same year after slandering a longstanding member of PSU's coaching staff? He was informed that "Sandusky's keys to the locker room were taken away and that the incident had been reported to The Second Mile". So OBVIOUSLY there was some veracity to the report, especially taken in tandem with what happened in 98.
If I know someone who has previously been accused of "inappropriate conduct" with a child in a shower, and now a second person comes to me obviously distraught about witnessing an incident where, quoting the grand jury that I was told, "the graduate assistant had seen Jerry Sandusky in the Lasch Building showers fondling or doing something of a sexual nature to a young boy", you obviously go to the police. I'm not even considering the fact that Paterno is the most powerful person there, so farg his "superiors". That isn't a lets just pass it up the chain sort of thing.
He deserves everything he's "bearing" and more. The fact that people are trying to paint him as a victim is sickening to me.
and its just a matter of time until Second Mile goes down in flames. Per the GJ report, they knew in 02 and did nothing about it and let Sandusky continue to operate alone with at risk kids. There is some seriously corrupt and sick shtein going on somewhere within that organization too.
lol he was like a 74 year old dude who's mushy old brain can barely make a sentence. He has no evidence to go to the police with other then a story. If he goes to the police with nothing more then a story on his own accord, it could backfire so hard and destroy everything he cares about if it turns out false. Or if it is true but they can't find any evidence of it happening and the kids won't step forward? The irony being that if it turns out true, the same thing happens years later. Benefit of hindsight.
I don't care who you are or what profession you are at, you don't go straight to the police when someone tells you a story. You tell the people you work for who are responsible for investigating these things and deciding proper course of action. Joe Paterno isn't that person in the Penn State University world. The parents of these kids called the cops, and the cops dismissed the case. What else is Paterno supposed to do here?
There is no hindsight when you're told for a second time some dude who worked for you is molesting kids.
This is the entire problem. JoePa, the AD, President etc were too worried about Penn State's "reputation" than they were about doing the right thing. It is a CRIMINAL issue. You go to the police if your superiors do nothing.
If someone says they're going to murder someone, you go to the police. Let them figure out if its true. I am really shocked people see a debatable point here.
So Joe gets handed an envelope at his door and inside there is a note that says call the Board. He calls and is fired over the phone.
I can't fathom how McQuery still has a job.
Right, then it turns out not to be true, and you've accused someone of being a murder/rapist/child molester/etc when they weren't, and effectively ruined their life. Good luck trying to get a job after a high profile investigation into child molestation charges turns up nothing and you're acquitted of all charges.
Would I go to the police if the consequences for being wrong only fell on ME? Of course I would. But when the consequences effect literally hundreds, if not thousands of other people as this case would have, you have to go through the process. Unfortunately, the higher ups at Penn State thought covering this up was more important then seeing that process to completion, with a full and fair investigation where they took what they found and showed to the police. Why THAT somehow falls on Joe Paterno is ridiculous to me.
The police had complaints from the parents, had a recording of Sandusky admitting to wrong doing, and STILL dismissed the case. So what is Joe Paterno going to do to change all that?
Quote from: Munson on November 10, 2011, 12:41:17 AM
Right, then it turns out not to be true, and you've accused someone of being a murder/rapist/child molester/etc when they weren't, and effectively ruined their life. Good luck trying to get a job after a high profile investigation into child molestation charges turns up nothing and you're acquitted of all charges.
Would I go to the police if the consequences for being wrong only fell on ME? Of course I would. But when the consequences effect literally hundreds, if not thousands of other people as this case would have, you have to go through the process. Unfortunately, the higher ups at Penn State thought covering this up was more important then seeing that process to completion, with a full and fair investigation where they took what they found and showed to the police. Why THAT somehow falls on Joe Paterno is ridiculous to me.
The police had complaints from the parents, had a recording of Sandusky admitting to wrong doing, and STILL dismissed the case. So what is Joe Paterno going to do to change all that?
lol @ the idea of not going to the police in case you're wrong when the allegations are this serious, and then after that, still allowing this monster to come to the school for the next 9 years, give the commencement address etc. And there's a difference between going to the police and holding a press conference about the issue. Oh and "good luck getting a high profile job" if you don't report this and its true. Put it in the court of the people who are designed to handle these things (and no, that is not the athletic department).
It falls on EVERYONE's shoulders. Obviously Paterno is the face of this on ESPN because he was the biggest sports figure associated with the scandal. They are all at fault. Paterno, the president, the AD, the GA. There was a systemic failure across the board which may very well border on complicity.
Penn State's reputation is not worth the children who were molested due to inaction. Paterno is not the only person at fault. But he was AT FAULT here, not a victim in any way shape or form. Tell the parent of a victim that he shouldn't have gone to the police, and don't give me any of this he didn't know shtein, when his own testimony refutes that.
we're going in circles and my opinion on this issue will never change and apparently neither will yours.
I agree that we're going in circles. I will only say that the only thing the police report confirms is that Joe Paterno was told a story by somebody. He then took that story to the people he was supposed to take it to, the people who were supposed to handle it, and they didn't. Hell, the police didn't even handle it when the mothers brought it to them.
Meh.
After Sandusky, McGeary should be the one being blasted by ESPN/media. Like Munson and I said earlier, Joepa is like 8-9-or 10 people down the list, and he's taking the prunt.
Exactly. I'm not saying he doesn't deserve at least SOME blow back, or some blame....but there's a good number of people between Sandusky, who's number 1 on the list of blame, and Joe Paterno, and i was just expressing that I feel bad that he is bearing the brunt of it because he's the biggest and most recognizable name. You can tell he is a good man with a good heart and you know he's absolutely heartbroken over all this, and right now is getting absolutely killed by some people like he did the molesting himself.
Apparently McQueary might be protected by whistleblower laws. Or some shtein.
I'm not sure how you can blame McQueary if you aren't blaming Paterno. I'm not attempting to be antagonistic here, but didn't he do the same thing that Paterno did? Pass it on to his superiors and let them deal with it?
To be clear: I'm saying he is incredibly at fault, but I think there are inconsistencies in logic if McQueary is supposed to be at fault but Paterno isn't. They are similarly culpable in my mind, though I'm not sure how McQueary doesn't physically stop the rape when it's happening.
I think people view McQueary in a more negative light because he was physically there and in their eyes, could have actually done something. He actually witnessed it happening, and in their minds, could have physically stopped it. Though I think the posters here outlined pretty well why that's not entirely realistic.
also huge LOL at ESPN for preempting the PEnn State stuff with the NBA. No one gives a flying farg about the NBA. There's like 8 people that care that games are being missed.
Quote from: Munson on November 10, 2011, 01:15:20 AM
I think people view McQueary in a more negative light because he was physically there and in their eyes, could have actually done something. He actually witnessed it happening, and in their minds, could have physically stopped it.
That is reasonable, but you could also make the argument that a graduate assistant would potentially feel pressured to report this to a mentor, whereas Paterno et all should know better.
I think it is difficult to say what anyone would do in that scenario, but I have a hard time picturing a 28 year old D1 athlete watching a 58 year old man raping a 10 year old in a shower and not physically intervening on some level.
I'm right there with you on that mindset, but like I said I think posters here (FF for one) articulated quite well why that's not an entirely realistic way to think. The amount of shock in seeing someone you considered a mentor, friend, and possibly even father figure, doing that....hell my immediate reaction would be to turn my head away I'd be so horrified....and I'd like to think I'd have the courage to put that feeling aside and start beating the hell out of the guy.
I hesitate to even bring this up, but as you say, Sandusky was all of those things to McQueary and had been since McQueary was a child.
Any possibilities there that I don't even want to entertain? Could also help explain his reaction.
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on November 10, 2011, 01:02:44 AM
I'm not sure how you can blame McQueary if you aren't blaming Paterno. I'm not attempting to be antagonistic here, but didn't he do the same thing that Paterno did? Pass it on to his superiors and let them deal with it?
To be clear: I'm saying he is incredibly at fault, but I think there are inconsistencies in logic if McQueary is supposed to be at fault but Paterno isn't. They are similarly culpable in my mind, though I'm not sure how McQueary doesn't physically stop the rape when it's happening.
You can't be serious with this train of thought... He walked into the lockeroom.. put on his sneakers.... heard a slapping sound coming from the shower.... looked in... saw Sandusky banged a 10 year old.. Sandusky looked at him... and the kid looked at him... he left... called his dad... asked him what he should do... the dad told him to return home and discuss it... the next day he went to JoePA.
Ginger was a 28 year old... division 1 football player... who looked into the eyes of a child being molested and ran home to daddy. How is he not much more responsible than anyone else, not including Sandusky??
We aren't talking about chain of commands here... we're talking about walking in on such a heinous act, and doing absolutely nothing because you're an ugly farging Ginger.
And wasn't Ginger on some recruiting trips this week. Can you imagine that moron sitting in your living room, pitching your son on coming to play football at PSU with this story breaking?
Also this ESPN coverage is Emmy award winning..... they were acting like there reporters were in Fallujah under constant suicide bombings.
i wish jerry sandusky would have molested you
then maybe youd have a reason for being such an irritating funhole
Quote from: MDS on November 10, 2011, 02:20:38 AM
i wish jerry sandusky would have molested you
then maybe youd have a reason for being such an irritating funhole
Isn't it about to be the deadline to report your field hockey score?
Quote from: MDS on November 09, 2011, 11:55:55 PM
Quote from: Rome on November 09, 2011, 10:48:19 PM
He's covering a girls JV field hockey game in Laredo. He'll be fine.
laredo is like 3 hours from me...the only time one my teams could play a team from laredo is in the 2nd round of the playoffs, and generally they meet in the middle. which will be the case next saturday (in corpus) if both sides win this week. and on top of that, i need travel approval to go which of course is a whole different issue with these cheap funholes i work for.
anyway, back to the child rapist protectors: the psu students are idiots.
Were you drunk while writing this?
Please say yes.
Quote from: Hawk on November 10, 2011, 02:05:24 AM
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on November 10, 2011, 01:02:44 AM
I'm not sure how you can blame McQueary if you aren't blaming Paterno. I'm not attempting to be antagonistic here, but didn't he do the same thing that Paterno did? Pass it on to his superiors and let them deal with it?
To be clear: I'm saying he is incredibly at fault, but I think there are inconsistencies in logic if McQueary is supposed to be at fault but Paterno isn't. They are similarly culpable in my mind, though I'm not sure how McQueary doesn't physically stop the rape when it's happening.
You can't be serious with this train of thought... He walked into the lockeroom.. put on his sneakers.... heard a slapping sound coming from the shower.... looked in... saw Sandusky banged a 10 year old.. Sandusky looked at him... and the kid looked at him... he left... called his dad... asked him what he should do... the dad told him to return home and discuss it... the next day he went to JoePA.
Ginger was a 28 year old... division 1 football player... who looked into the eyes of a child being molested and ran home to daddy. How is he not much more responsible than anyone else, not including Sandusky??
We aren't talking about chain of commands here... we're talking about walking in on such a heinous act, and doing absolutely nothing because you're an ugly farging Ginger.
and then he told paterno and paterno and his bosses covered it all up and still let their buddy run a childrens camp and bring children on the penn state campus for another five years...ginger is definitely more despicable than joe here but not by a lot and they all are disgusting awful people
they all should be in jail for every act of molestation that took place after the shower incident...and really since 1998 when sandusky admitted that he molested a boy and they all made that go away as well...and if you believe these are the only two incidents that this group of sickos knew about then you are beyond naive...these are the only two WE know about
mcquearys girlfriend lived in our apartment building and psu and several times people saw him crying on a bench in the lobby.
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SPORTSbyBROOKS
I can confirm there will soon be new, major allegation involving child sex abuse in Sandusky case. Told tonite it could come before Saturday
If what I was told tonight about the details of the new allegation in Sandusky child sex case is true, it will horrify the public.
This is a deadly serious matter. Keep the victims in your thoughts. Cannot emphasize that enough. In your thoughts.
ChrisSedenka
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Mark Madden just said on @NESN journalists are investigating if Sandusky was pimping out kids to rich donors from his program.
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The answer is unknowable because of an unsolved mystery: What happened to Ray Gricar, the Centre County, Pa., district attorney?
Gricar went missing in April 2005. The murky circumstances surrounding his disappearance — an abandoned car, a laptop recovered months later in a river without a hard drive, his body was never found — have spawned Web sites, television programs and conspiracy theories. More than six years later, the police still receive tips and reports of sightings. The police in central Pennsylvania continue to investigate even though Gricar's daughter, Lara, successfully petitioned in July to have her father declared legally dead so the family could find some closure and begin dividing his estate.
One of the questions surrounding the sex-abuse case against Jerry Sandusky is why a former district attorney chose not to prosecute the then-Penn State assistant coach in 1998 after reports surfaced that he had inappropriate interactions with a boy. Yet as the Sandusky investigation moves forward, questions will be asked anew about why Gricar did not pursue charges against him 13 years ago. A small but strident minority believes Gricar did not want to tackle a case that involved a hometown icon. Others who knew and worked with Gricar say he was a meticulous, independent and tough-minded prosecutor who was unbowed by Penn State, its football program and political pressure in general.
Holy F. Sorry IGY you were right then about the good ol boy thing going on there. Jesus christ if thats true burn them all.
madden also believes it will come out that sandusky was really fired or forced out in 98 because of boy humping...and that he agreed to leave in exchange for joe having the charges dissmissed
not that this is a shock in the least and its pretty obvious what happened but this is going to get super ugly and is all just unreal
when does the fbi jump in....gotta be any day now...if i remember correctly from the grand jury report sandusky brought boys to bowl games and had them stay in his hotel room...those rooms are paid for by penn state...that should do it right there
from the beaver county times back in march when the sandusky allegations first broke...
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Worst-case scenario: Sandusky is charged. Then it seems reasonable to wonder: Did Penn State not make an issue of Sandusky's alleged behavior in 1998 in exchange for him walking away from the program at an age premature for most coaches? Did Penn State's considerable influence help get Sandusky off the hook?
Don't kid yourself. That could happen. Don't underestimate the power of Paterno and Penn State in central Pennsylvania when it comes to politicians, the police and the media.
In 1999, Penn State was rid of Sandusky. His rep was unblemished, which allowed him to continue running a charitable foundation that gave him access to underage males. To be a volunteer assistant with a high school football team, thus gaining access to underage males.
If Paterno and Penn State knew, but didn't act, instead facilitating Sandusky's untroubled retirement - are Paterno and Penn State responsible for untoward acts since committed by Sandusky?
This is far from an outrageous hypothesis, especially given the convenient timeline.
Unfathomable.
Just when you think this can't get any more horrific...
I demand for the process to make damn sure that anyone still affiliated with Penn State in any way who knew about this and "could have done more" to meet the proper fate, and not on their own terms either.
Anyone. Everyone. It might be a really large group of people. It might include board members, it might include boosters, it might include the richest fargs who give money under the guise of "for the glory" but knowing what they're really supporting... BOOM goes the dynamite, iceholes.
more extensive breakdown of what madden said
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In April, Pittsburgh radio host Mark Madden wrote a story revealing Penn State for much of the cover-up of Jerry Sandusky's alleged child rape that has been exposed in the past week. While it didn't raise many eyebrows back then, six months later it looks to be incredibly accurate.
On Thursday morning, just hours after legendary head coach Joe Paterno and university president Graham Spanier were fired by the school's board of trustees, Madden was asked on The Dennis and Callahan Show what he believes the next piece of news will be.
What he said was twice as shocking as anything that's been released thus far.
"I can give you a rumor and I can give you something I think might happen," Madden told John Dennis and Gerry Callahan. "I hear there's a rumor that there will be a more shocking development from the Second Mile Foundation -- and hold on to your stomachs, boys, this is gross, I will use the only language I can -- that Jerry Sandusky and Second Mile were pimping out young boys to rich donors. That was being investigated by two prominent columnists even as I speak."
Madden also spoke more definitively to the cover-up efforts at the school and beyond that he expects will be made public soon.
"The other thing I think that may eventually become uncovered, and I talked about this in my original article back in April, is that I think they'll find out that Jerry Sandusky was told that he had to retire in exchange for a cover-up," Madden said. "If you look at the timeline, that makes perfect sense, doesn't it?
"My opinion is when Sandusky quit, everybody knew -- not just at Penn State," Madden added. "I think it was a very poorly kept secret about college football in general, and that is why he never coached in college football again and retired at the relatively young age of 55. [That's] young for a coach, certainly."
This is all in reference to donors of The Second Mile, right? Not Penn State boosters, right?
thats how i took it....but i think at this point all bets are off....also couldnt you be a penn state booster and a second mile donor?
Quote from: rjs246 on November 10, 2011, 10:27:46 AM
This is all in reference to donors of The Second Mile, right? Not Penn State boosters, right?
I'm sure we'll find out.
I would LOVE to hear how much other schools knew about Sandusky in 1999, then see how accountable they are for "not doing more" to help the victims. If the guy who got the information 2nd hand is as culpable as the guy who witnessed acts 1st hand, what of the others who were told in any way that the guy was putting his dick into little boys?
why would other schools know about it?
sorry but penn state is the only school going down in this.
I think he's just saying what Madden's point was, this guy retired at 55, and never did we hear about any job offers out there. The story back then was that Sandusky wanted the Head coach job when joe stepped down at some point. Joe said he wouldnt be his replacement, and Sandusky quit/retired. Now that we know where this is all at. I didnt think it was possible for this thing to even get worse, but its getting to the absurdly SVU level.
Was just commenting on why Sandusky never got another coaching job. If he were "black listed," what kind of details were made available as to why?
But yes, Penn State is a punchline for the foreseeable future.
he wasnt taking another job unless he could relocate second mile to his new school
that was his bread and BUTTer and theres no way he was leaving it
plus he had full access to pen state and all its enticements...joes practices the facilities and bowls games were like his candy belt
Holy shtein at the new allegations of pimping.
And lets, for conspiratorial sakes, say Gricar's disappearance is associated.
I don't think Hollywood could write something like this. Its flat out amazing.
Good points. The capitalization of "butt" made me throw up in my mouth a little bit.
Why hasnt Sandusky been Wilson Ramos'd yet.
Apparently, Bradley is saying that McQueary will be on the sidelines on Sat. Wow.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on November 10, 2011, 11:20:18 AM
Apparently, Bradley is saying that McQueary will be on the sidelines on Sat. Wow.
What's really happening is that the acting AD will be telling McQueary he can't coach. A little bit much to ask Bradley to make that decision at this time... and besides, he probably already knows that the decision has been made.
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on November 10, 2011, 11:10:23 AM
Why hasnt Sandusky been Wilson Ramos'd yet.
Especially fitting, because there is a good chance Ramos has already been Sandusky'd.
you can make a solid argument for not even playing the game saturday...to have ginger out there is pretty ridiculous...in fact i cant believe he wants to be out there
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 10, 2011, 11:32:35 AM
to have ginger out there is pretty ridiculous...in fact i cant believe he wants to be out there
He won't be. I think it was a mistake for Bradley to address the media before that had been worked out.
Yeah, there's no way MM will be anywhere near that field.
It wouldn't be big news without the Taiwanese animation summary:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cewjLdYRTrE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cewjLdYRTrE)
QuoteBen_Jones88
Per a source, Sandusky was at Dick's Sporting goods yesterday, in "full PSU attire"
of course they'd find him there
Quote from: Hawk on November 10, 2011, 02:05:24 AM
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on November 10, 2011, 01:02:44 AM
I'm not sure how you can blame McQueary if you aren't blaming Paterno. I'm not attempting to be antagonistic here, but didn't he do the same thing that Paterno did? Pass it on to his superiors and let them deal with it?
To be clear: I'm saying he is incredibly at fault, but I think there are inconsistencies in logic if McQueary is supposed to be at fault but Paterno isn't. They are similarly culpable in my mind, though I'm not sure how McQueary doesn't physically stop the rape when it's happening.
You can't be serious with this train of thought... He walked into the lockeroom.. put on his sneakers.... heard a slapping sound coming from the shower.... looked in... saw Sandusky banged a 10 year old.. Sandusky looked at him... and the kid looked at him... he left... called his dad... asked him what he should do... the dad told him to return home and discuss it... the next day he went to JoePA.
Ginger was a 28 year old... division 1 football player... who looked into the eyes of a child being molested and ran home to daddy. How is he not much more responsible than anyone else, not including Sandusky??
We aren't talking about chain of commands here... we're talking about walking in on such a heinous act, and doing absolutely nothing because you're an ugly farging Ginger.
I think everything McQueary did is reprehensible and he should have already been fired. I'm just saying people who said Paterno didn't do anything wrong because he simply reported it to his superiors could use the same line of logic for McQueary.
I think all of them need to go. This whole thing is horrid and is only going to get worse.
Nice he gets to pursue some retail therapy while the angry mobs point their spears elsewhere.
man you white people are farged up
NCAA content to bide its time:
QuoteRegarding the ongoing Penn State criminal investigation, the NCAA is actively monitoring developments and assessing appropriate steps moving forward. The NCAA will defer in the immediate term to law enforcement officials since this situation involved alleged crimes. As the facts are established through the justice system, we will determine whether Association bylaws have been violated and act accordingly. To be clear, civil and criminal law will always take precedence over Association rules.
Mark Emmert
President, NCAA
I really don't even care what the NCAA does. As much or as little as they want to do is justifiable.
id be curious to know what their jurisdiction is in a criminal case like this that involves coaches but not athletics
fyi - mark madden on wip at 120
Mildly amusing... The kid who started the chant to "FLIP THE VAN" was not a Penn State student but rather a high schooler.
And he bragged about it on Facebook and will probably go to juvy.
How lucky are the Eagles right now? If this nightmare hadn't broken they'd be getting destroyed in the media. As it is they're barely a footnote.
Psycho-babble? (http://www.menshealth.com/health/why-joe-paterno-didnt-call-police)
LaVar-babble? (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/hard-hits/post/joe-paterno-fired-this-is-not-how-it-should-have-ended/2011/11/10/gIQAx6cv8M_blog.html)
Quote from: FastFreddie on November 10, 2011, 12:58:13 PM
NCAA content to bide its time:
QuoteRegarding the ongoing Penn State criminal investigation, the NCAA is actively monitoring developments and assessing appropriate steps moving forward. The NCAA will defer in the immediate term to law enforcement officials since this situation involved alleged crimes. As the facts are established through the justice system, we will determine whether Association bylaws have been violated and act accordingly. To be clear, civil and criminal law will always take precedence over Association rules.
Mark Emmert
President, NCAA
I really don't even care what the NCAA does. As much or as little as they want to do is justifiable.
That's what the NCAA should be doing right now. This isn't a rules violation such as illegal recruiting tactics or paying players or anything like that. It's a crime and the NCAA should absolutely wait until everything is sorted out before deciding whether or not to punish the school/football program.
I'm not really sure what I even think will be an appropriate response though. They key players involved are all fired with the exception of McQueary, so any punishment that the NCAA hands down is basically penalizing the coaches, players and to a greater extent, the students who had absolutely no involvement. I mean, how could you punish the underclass players who are stuck there for 2 or 3 more years for something that happened 10 years ago? So if the school gives up scholarships and bowl appearances, how does that accomplish anything?
Can the NCAA even start vacating seasons from basically 1998-2011 based on this? Because if they can, then I think they absolutely should. Taking 100 wins away from JoePa and the school is probably the harshest punishment that could be handed out.
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 10, 2011, 01:01:54 PM
id be curious to know what their jurisdiction is in a criminal case like this that involves coaches but not athletics
I guess it depends on whether or not the NCAA rule book lists child rape as a no-no. There's got to be morals and ethics clauses involved in the guidelines as well as individual contracts, right?
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 10, 2011, 01:01:54 PM
id be curious to know what their jurisdiction is in a criminal case like this that involves coaches but not athletics
if the rumors are true with the pimping to penn state donors or boosters then they'll be all over it.
Another presser coming at 5pm. Hoping it is regarding McQueary's status.
Twitter reports that companies are pulling their contributions to THON and that other companies are revoking internships.
Quote from: FastFreddie on November 10, 2011, 03:52:43 PM
Another presser coming at 5pm. Hoping it is regarding McQueary's status.
either that or they someone finally defeated Mola Ram
Quote from: Hawk on November 10, 2011, 04:00:22 PM
Twitter reports that companies are pulling their contributions to THON and that other companies are revoking internships.
For some reason that brought this to mind...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5FzCeV0ZFc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5FzCeV0ZFc)
The governor is having a press conference at 5:30.. speculation on Twitter among PSU students that he may cancel the game.
Corbett has had issues with PennState in the past about funding. But his issues were mainly with Spanier.
if this came out a few weeks ago, a jerry sandusky halloween costume would have been so easy to throw together.
Is anyone else confused why the media didn't make a bigger deal about this when the story broke last March???
because they don't want to emphasize that they all missed it or didn't take it seriously? just like everyone else.
mark madden did...he even called what is happening now back then
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 10, 2011, 05:50:39 PM
mark madden did...he even called what is happening now back then
So like of all the members of the media... Mark Madden and the reporter from the Harrisburg newspaper are the only two people who actually saw the severity???
Todd missed his big break.
Todd's one of the "victims".
QuoteBy Teresa Masterson
NBCPhiladelphia.com
updated 11/10/2011 2:26:10 PM ET 2011-11-10T19:26:10
It is strange that Centre County District Attorney Ray Gricar never prosecuted Jerry Sandusky on child-rape charges 13 years ago, some speculate, because Gricar was known for being fiercely independent and hard on crime.
But it is even stranger that we cannot ask Gricar why Sandusky was not put behind bars because the tough-as-nails district attorney disappeared in 2005. And though he was declared dead July of this year, his body has never been found.
"People ask why Ray did not prosecute, and I have no problem saying, because he clearly felt he didn't have a case for a 'successful' prosecution," Tony Gricar, Ray Gricar's nephew , told The Patriot-News.
"... One thing I can say is that Ray was beholden to no one, was not a politician."
Story: Paterno aide engulfed in Penn State abuse case
This district attorney who had "a bitter taste in his mouth for the [Penn State] program, and its coach," according to his nephew, and yet never prosecuted Sandusky, disappeared on April 15, 2005, after telling his girlfriend that he was going on a drive.
Ray Gricar's car was found the next day in a Lewisburg parking lot and his laptop, sans hard drive, was found in the Susquehanna River, according to the Patriot-News.
Story: Penn State trustees fire Paterno, students riot
Ray Gricar's friend, Montour County District Attorney Robert Buehner Jr., told the New York Times that if the ardent district attorney had committed suicide, he would have wanted his body found. But in the case of possible foul play, no suspects have emerged from investigations.
When it comes to the Sandusky case, friends and former co-workers are all of the opinion that Ray Gricar would never back down from a righteous prosecution.
Read the indictment against Sandusky in Penn St.
"No one got a bye with Ray," Anthony De Boef, who was an assistant district attorney under Gricar for five years told the NY Times. "He didn't care who you were; he had a job to do."
And, despite the fact that Ray Gricar had the mother of one of the alleged victims confront Sandusky while police listened, the 1998 report on Sandusky was labeled "unfounded" by the District Attorney's Office, reports the Patriot-News.
"I would say this about Ray: He would be extremely cautious in proceeding because he wanted to make sure that there would be a reasonable likelihood of conviction," Buehner told the Patriot News. "You don't want to go after someone high profile unless you have a compelling case."
As for the 2002 incident, in which a graduate assistant told Penn State coach Joe Paterno that he witness Sandusky raping a 10-year-old boy in the PSU locker rooms, there is no indication that Ray Gricar was notified, reports the Patriot-Times.
Age range, check.
Irrational hatred of Penn State prior to incident, check.
Underprivileged youth, bzzzzzzzt
nm
So, um, evidently in some quarters it's wayyyyyyyyy too early to make jokes about this mess.
You mean like this?
(http://www.thespinzone.com/temp/psu2.jpg)
Quote from: Rome on November 10, 2011, 07:24:37 PM
So, um, evidently in some quarters it's wayyyyyyyyy too early to make jokes about this mess.
I made my first joke this morning, it went something like this:
*Walk out to my car and see my room mates Jeep parked behind my car*
Me: "Hey Sandusky, you're parked behind me...move your shtein"
Lame 6 AM humor
I heard one paraphrasing here.....Sandusky and two other men are in an airplane that is about to crash and there are three parachutes. One of the guy #1 asks "what about the kids?" guy #2 "farg the kids!" Sandusky "do we have time?"
Apparently one of the victims sister goes to Penn State and is kind of upset about kids using Sandusky as a verb.
Quote from: Hawk on November 10, 2011, 08:04:13 PM
Apparently one of the victims sister goes to Penn State
Kind of puts the idiots dropping out of Penn State over the issue into perspective doesn't it?
Consider the source, but if true...
SMH (http://www.crossingbroad.com/2011/11/jerry-sandusky-was-recruiting-for-penn-state-this-year.html)
I like how Andy Reid didn't even know he was an honorary board member of Second Mile too.
Somebody tossed a cinder block through a window in Sandusky's house.
http://www.philly.com/philly/news/breaking/20111111_Cinder_block_thrown_through_window_at_Sandusky_house.html
Ginger put on administrative leave for the rest of the season
Now reports are that the high school kid who said Sandusky recruited him this year was lying to garner more interest from other schools. Wow.
Temple will take him
Quote from: SD on November 11, 2011, 04:48:19 PM
Somebody tossed a cinder block through a window in Sandusky's house.
http://www.philly.com/philly/news/breaking/20111111_Cinder_block_thrown_through_window_at_Sandusky_house.html
Ginger put on administrative leave for the rest of the season
Just like the Gaddafi mob that killed him, I don't condone this at all.
I do.
Children are off limits. You molest them and it should be open season on your ass. I don't care what his other issues are. Maybe he was molested when he was younger (more than likely he was) but there has to be some kind of rational thought in your head that tells you this sort of behavior is wrong. What makes this story worse is that he ran an at risk charity organization that was supposed to help these kids. If someone put a bullet in his head I would say good riddance.
McQueary in protective custody in undisclosed location outside State College
Quote from: SD on November 11, 2011, 06:23:16 PM
I do.
Children are off limits. You molest them and it should be open season on your ass. I don't care what his other issues are. Maybe he was molested when he was younger (more than likely he was) but there has to be some kind of rational thought in your head that tells you this sort of behavior is wrong. What makes this story worse is that he ran an at risk charity organization that was supposed to help these kids. If someone put a bullet in his head I would say good riddance.
I would say good riddance as well. Still wouldn't condone the action though.
Exactly Sassy.
Stewart nails it
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-november-10-2011/penn-state-riots?xrs=playershare_fb
jesus christ this prayer circle....come on
this isnt church you bible thumpers
Nice candlelight vigil. Hoydas.
now its turned into a general big 10 game
no wonder sandusky touched children
3-0 Nebraska. Game over?
Ahhh... stalking the Paterno house. Thank God they're putting that freedom of the press thing to good use!
one of igy's heroes from King of Queens:
Quotepattonoswalt
A line of shirtless guys with "FOR THE KIDS" painted one letter each on their torsos. Tasteful, Penn State. Taste. Ful.
College kids lacking tact? Inconceivable.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on November 12, 2011, 01:02:28 PM
Ahhh... stalking the Paterno house. Thank God they're putting that freedom of the press thing to good use!
For a second I thought you were referring to the freaks at 7:30 in the morning praying in front of Paterno's house. Yes, it happened.
Creepy & weird doesn't begin to describe those people.
Coming back...
17-14 with 5:42 to go.
Nebraska playing not to lose there. PSU has been garbage most of the day but could still pull this off
The win would probably just end up getting vacated.
McGloin is a farging moron
What an atrocious end.
Too little, too late.
Fitting.
Yeah, that seems to be their mantra these days.
Sooo in non rapist news, Devon Still, a Delaware kid who graduated my year, seems to have played himself into being a possible 1st round pick :yay
http://joeposnanski.si.com/2011/11/10/the-end-of-paterno/
Heard on the radio that the Big 10 is taking Paterno's name off their championship trophy.
EDIT: Yahoo story. (http://news.yahoo.com/big-ten-strips-paterno-name-off-league-champion-194920110.html)
The hyphenated trophy names were stupid anyway.
http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/special_report_why_the_jerry_s.html
Sounds like fargups left and right
QuoteOn Friday, Nov. 4, charges that had been brewing for nearly three years were filed by accident.
Sandusky actually gave an interview to Costas on this and it will air tonight at 10pm.
"I should have never showered with those kids"
Just saw that. He's farged in the head. The videos from years ago that NBC had were creepy on the nightly news tonight
Apparently McQueary emailed his former teammates and said that he stopped the shower incident and he's being villified by an untrue story.
really? he broke up anal sex and decided not to call the police?
keep up the good work mike.
yea thats good
he broke up that, didnt tell police, then let it simmer for 9 years and now here we are
gingers
This guy is such an icehole.
Bob Costas seems so (rightfully) uncomfortable.
He's got a beautiful smile though.
"we were just horsing around"
yup
"You have to ask them."
Explain to me why anyone would want to watch that.
Quote from: rjs246 on November 14, 2011, 10:09:17 PM
Explain to me why anyone would want to watch that.
It's the biggest sports story ever?
And apparently the lawyer he hired impregnated a 16yr old while in his 40s
Quote from: rjs246 on November 14, 2011, 10:09:17 PM
Explain to me why anyone would want to watch that.
cant believe you would even need to ask that.
costas has dude on the phone line answering specific questions, lying through his teeth and squirming when asked the question if hes sexually attracted to young boys. any innocent person directly asked that question responds with an unequivocal "NO"--he actually had to think about it.
the other question is how do they find a jury for this? who doesnt know about this story and who doesnt know this guy is guilty?
i mean they found people for OJ but that was before twitter, facebook, the internet....and now the prosecution has tape of sandusky saying that he shouldnt have showered with those boys. and his defense attorney likes em young, too.
this shtein is too good for a movie.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on November 14, 2011, 10:12:19 PM
And apparently the lawyer he hired impregnated a 16yr old while in his 40s
Some ironic comedy here is that the lawyer whistles when he says words with "s" in them, just like the old man on Family Guy.
lol
I still believe that Uncle Jerry offs himself. He'll shoot himself or hang himself in a cell if he gets locked up
Quote from: MDS on November 14, 2011, 10:18:25 PM
the other question is how do they find a jury for this? who doesnt know about this story and who doesnt know this guy is guilty?
i mean they found people for OJ but that was before twitter, facebook, the internet....and now the prosecution has tape of sandusky saying that he shouldnt have showered with those boys. and his defense attorney likes em young, too.
this shtein is too good for a movie.
its a myth that there are people found for high profile cases who havent heard of it...you arent looking for people who dont know the case exists you are looking for people who can be fair....i also think sanduskys chances are higher if the trial stays in happy valley than if they moved it
i had read about it last week but did anyone see the nbc story on sanduskys house being so close to that elementary school...his back deck is literally like 50 yards from the jungle gym and swing set
http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/inq-pennstate/Sandusky-breaks-his-silence-in-NBC-interview.html
Find it amazing to read a 21 pg incredibly descriptive indictment of blatant sex abuse 8 times and have a lawyer sit up there and say he's completely innocent of all charges.
How do you read that and say, "Yep...I got this one Jerry...youre good"? Lawyers are classic.
DIAF would be too kind for Sandusky's lawyer. And Sandusky is about 800 times worse.
i loved when costas asked him if he was sexually attracted to young boys and it took him like 30 seconds of roundabout talking to actually utter the word no....if someone asked you such a horrific question wouldnt you immediately say god no...furthermore in preparing for this interview there were two questions you 100% knew would be asked....one was did you do these things you are accused of and two do you like young boys....sandusky is so ick that even tho he and his lawyer obviously prepared for this interview he still couldnt really make a strong denial that he does love little boys
Both interviews were sickening. And if that rumor about the lawyer knocking up a 16 yr old is true, how the farg is he allowed to practice law? In a child molestation case at that?
Quote from: reese125 on November 14, 2011, 10:17:55 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on November 14, 2011, 10:09:17 PM
Explain to me why anyone would want to watch that.
cant believe you would even need to ask that.
costas has dude on the phone line answering specific questions, lying through his teeth and squirming when asked the question if hes sexually attracted to young boys. any innocent person directly asked that question responds with an unequivocal "NO"--he actually had to think about it.
So you're answer is that you want to watch in order to hear an old pedophile squirm on the phone? You want to listen to a man who we all know is guilty (multiple eye-witness accounts pretty much rule out any chance that he's innocent) stammer and fumble his way through a desperate attempt at claiming he's innocent. The dude is living scum and you're stunned that I would ask why you want to watch?
Do you get out of your car and stare at the burning bodies when you pass a car accident as well? I just don't see the point or the pleasure derived from it. Voyeurism is for porn.
I can understand why Russell wants to try and avoid certain things about this story because he is clearly distraught over this and with good reason. But for the casual fan or for a non PSU fan, this is a pretty gripping story. I'm not interested in hearing his side of the story, but the fact that he was doing a national interview within a week of all this stuff coming out is just mind blowing. Who does that? What lawyer allows his client to say things that will be used as evidence against him in court? The prosecution must have been popping champagne bottles during that interview last night.
i didnt watch the interview live but its basically impossible to not hear it...youd have to literally not read listen to or watch anything
Quote from: Sgt PSN on November 15, 2011, 09:21:26 AM
I can understand why Russell wants to try and avoid certain things about this story because he is clearly distraught over this and with good reason. But for the casual fan or for a non PSU fan, this is a pretty gripping story. I'm not interested in hearing his side of the story, but the fact that he was doing a national interview within a week of all this stuff coming out is just mind blowing. Who does that? What lawyer allows his client to say things that will be used as evidence against him in court? The prosecution must have been popping champagne bottles during that interview last night.
Ha. No shtein right?
And to answer rjs's question about the burning bodies-no question I look. Im intrigued by catastrophic events. I'm not the type of person to turn my head in disgust. I'm a glutton for punishment. I'm also an Eagles fan.
OK, well that explains it.
i would turn my car off and set up a tent and watch the bodies burn.
i'm over this whole story, i'm going to give the guy the benefit of the doubt until i hear some credible evidence.
beer, weenies & charred corpses ftw.
that was a joke btw. and yeah i'm guessing the only lawyer that would even jeopardize his reputation is another with kiddie tendencies. from what i read he knocked her up at 16 but it wasn't illegal bc the age of consent in PA is 16? never heard that one before.
I'd like to hear more about the missing DA and his googling of how to clear a hard drive.
this is going to be a best selling book or a series of pulitzer winning articles someday
Quote from: SunMo on November 15, 2011, 10:29:53 AM
this is going to be a best selling book or a series of pulitzer winning articles someday
The coverage to date has hardly been Pulitzer-worthy, so there's nowhere to go but up!
sanduskys book would no doubt be the most accurate and hard hitting since he had inside access to the victims
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 15, 2011, 10:59:45 AM
sanduskys book would no doubt be the most accurate and hard hitting since he had inside access to the victims
Booooooooo. (but you got a mild chuckle)
bottom right mary and joe amendola....
(http://www.thesecondmile.org/images/events/ReverseState/ReverseAmendola.jpg)
farg him, i want to see what kind of wine they're drinking.
Well I don't want to come off as a creep, but I think I got a grasp on the whole age of consent debate. In PA and a bunch of other states, 16 is the age of consent, unless you are in an authority position. Teachers, principals, cops, etc would be arrested for having relations with someone that's only 16. However, Joe Smoe can have relations as long as he's not in an authority position. This scumbag lawyer was handling her emancipation case, so I'm really confused why he wasn't considered as being in an authority position. Under 16, I think a plus or minus 3 years rule is in effect.
That's pretty much it in PA, Hawk. 16 is consenting for sex, but there should certainly be some sort of ramifications for sleeping with your client. A Dr or shrink would be removed immediately. Guess the same policies don't apply to lawyers. Farging dirtbags probably litigated their way out of that one.
From Wikipedia:
QuoteEach US state has its own age of consent. Currently state laws set the age of consent at 16, 17 or 18. The most common age is 16.
age of consent 16 (31): Alabama, Alaska, Arkansas, Connecticut, District of Columbia, Georgia, Hawaii, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, Mississippi, Montana, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Jersey, North Carolina, Ohio, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, South Carolina, South Dakota, Vermont, Washington, West Virginia
age of consent 17 (9): Colorado, Illinois, Louisiana, Missouri, Nebraska, New Mexico, New York, Texas, Wyoming
age of consent 18 (11): Arizona, California, Delaware, Florida, Idaho, North Dakota, Oregon, Tennessee, Utah, Virginia, Wisconsin
If you're 18 and you stick your dick in a 17 yr old girl in 11 states you can go to prison.
Awesome.
dont forget genarlow wilson getting sentenced to 10 years in georgia for getting a consensual blowjob at age 16 from a 15 year old
So MM's email says that he spoke to the police in addition to stopping the incident and reporting to Joe. Meaning a. he's lying (possible) or b. the cover up includes State College / campus police (likely given everything else we know). If true and he isnt just trying to salvage his reputation/manhood, this throws all of the assumptions we've all made about what MM and Joe knew/did out the window.
This is some farged up surreal shtein.
i think its been clear since last week that the entire legal and law enforcement community up there is complicit in all this...and theres no doubt more incidents other than 98 and 02 that were covered up
specifically in regards to the 02 shower humping mcquearry was either lying in the grand jury or hes lying now...id put all my money on now
Quote
In 2001, Penn State sold a piece of land, just off campus, to the Second Mile. [Penn State's own website on Sept. 21, 2001]
The University will sell 40.7 acres in Patton Township to the Second Mile, former Penn State football defensive coach Jerry Sandusky's non-profit group for prevention, early intervention and community-based programs for Pennsylvania youth. The mission of Second Mile is to challenge young people to achieve their potential as individuals and community members by providing opportunities for them to develop positive life skills and self-esteem.
That was three years after Sandusky was investigated for showering with a young boy.
According to The Bellingham Herald, the sale was finalized on April 23, 2002... just six weeks after Mike McQueary told athletic director Tim Curley and VP Gary Schultz that he saw Sandusky raping a boy in the showers. As it now turns out, Second Mile had planned - as recently as this year - to build dorms on that land.
More weirdness:
FOX Philly has the story of Rob Lehr, a former camp operator who rented his camp to the Second Mile. Lehr said the group crossed dressed one year, and another year had the kids cross dressing:
"Camp counselors cross dressing for one of the evening events with children. The following year now they [had] some of the boys cross dressing," he says.
Lehr also said shower curtains would be taken down when Second Mile was at the camp. He said he never saw anything illegal, but did see things that were immoral and questionable (FOX Philly has video).
If there's one story that lends even a shred of credibility to last week's rumor of Second Mile involvment, as told by Pittsburgh radio personality Mark Madden, it's this one.
What else have we learned? Well, this summer, Joe Pa sold his house to his wife. For a dollar.
[NY Times]
Documents filed in Centre County, Pa., show that on July 21 Paterno's house near campus was turned over to "Suzanne P. Paterno, trustee" for a dollar plus "love and affection." The couple had previously held joint ownership of the house, which they bought in 1969 for $58,000.
According to documents filed with the county, the house's fair-market value was listed at $594,484.40. Wick Sollers, a lawyer for Paterno, said in an e-mail that the Paternos had been engaged in a "multiyear estate planning program," and the transfer "was simply one element of that plan." He said it had nothing to do with the scandal.
The Times also spoke to a law professor from Pitt who said that he never heard of someone selling their house to a spouse (poet!) for tax advantages. His immediate thought was that it would be to shield assets in case of personal liability.
And this is nothing earth shattering, but a former graduate assistant, Matt Paknis, who was with Penn State in 1987 and 1988, told WFAN in New York the following:
As a childhood victim of sexual abuse, he said he remembered thinking how inappropriate it was when he saw Sandusky tickle and pinch little boys during football camps, sometimes putting them in headlocks.
"I thought it was a boundary issue, more than anything else," Paknis said.
Paknis described Paterno's rule over the Penn State campus as absolute. "I think he had more power in the state of Pennsylvania than anybody."
sandusky's lawyer is adding another level of hilarity to this.
his Today Show interview was awesome
gregg doyle is reporting that paternos statue is coming down over thanksgiving
that has to mean a lot more on joe is gonna come out no?
If the statue is coming down then I have to assume his name is coming off the library too, right? Or did they already make that decision?
doyel also reported it came down this morning so lets not believe everyone who's trying to become relevant with this story.
but yeah if it actually comes down i've got to believe there is more dirt on joe.
its coming down i dont think thats really a question....the questions are will it be over thanksgiving and if so are they doing it this quickly because some more shtein is about joe is about to drop
(http://media.247sports.com/Uploads/Boards/845/5845/298710.jpg)
Quote from: phattymatty on November 16, 2011, 11:21:51 AM
but yeah if it actually comes down i've got to believe there is more dirt on joe.
Joe Dirt?
Its like herpes
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Victims Go Back As Far As The 1970's
STATE COLLEGE, Pa. -- Jerry Sandusky's primetime television interview Monday led several potential victims to come forward and consider sharing their story, according to two State College attorneys.
Hearing his voice and his words proclaiming no wrong — while admitting he showered innocently with young boys — was a trigger for some who say they were abused by the former Penn State defensive coordinator. One said it went back to the 1970s, around the time Sandusky founded the charity that prosecutors say was his axis for finding victims.
"They're literally processing it right in front of us," attorney Andy Shubin said. "They have kept it from their families, moms, brothers and sisters. ... The folks we talked to are largely folks in their 20s, who in a lot of cases have never told their story before."
Shubin, who is working closely with attorney Justine Andronici, has also teamed up with psychologists, social workers and a national child sex abuse organization so that these people can seek mental help along with possible legal recourse.
Many, Shubin says, haven't yet decided if they are going to talk to police. Some cases might be too old for a viable prosecution.
But all are seeking to heal, Shubin said, and their pain was re-triggered by Sandusky's interview Monday night with NBC's Bob Costas.
"I spent about half the day in kitchens and living rooms, speaking with victims of Sandusky's molestation and processing with them the effects of Jerry Sandusky being on television and Jerry Sandusky denying wrongdoing," Shubin said. "And what I found was that these folks are being re-traumatized."
Shubin said he couldn't put a number to his conversations. At this point, he said, it isn't clear how many people he consulted with will end up coming forward and telling their stories to police.
Authorities have set up a tip line for this case, but won't say how many new victims have come forward. No more charges have been filed, and state police rebutted claims by the New York Times that there were 10 new victims.
Some of those who talked to Shubin are afraid of retribution from Penn State-crazed fans, or being blamed — like one victim — for the downfall of Joe Paterno.
Mike Gillum, the psychologist working with the Clinton County boy who first came forward to authorities in 2008 and whose statement led to the grand jury investigation, said Wednesday that the teen boy is having trouble in school because he is being bullied.
Coming forward has led to threats and verbal abuse, Gillum said.
"In some cases we're finding that they are hiding in a fairly remote area, they are afraid of being discovered," Shubin said about the people he talked to Wednesday.
Others have already come forward and say they were dissuaded from being honest, he said.
"In some cases they have disclosed something in careful ways to people in positions of authority and they were not believed," Andronici said. "They were, in some cases, scolded and silenced."
Shubin and Andronici released a statement Tuesday outlining their plan to take civil action on behalf of victims who want to pursue that kind of relief.
Shubin is well-known in State College for his civil rights work, and is often sought out by crime victims for representation. He has a reputation for taking on Penn State in other lawsuits.
"The word is getting out that we have the interest of the victims," Andronici said. "People know who Andy is, they know who I am. They see that we're in a position to advise them as they navigate this. It's an extremely daunting process — getting prepared in their mind to deal with this."
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EARLY CONCERNS
The earliest documented report of possible abuse at the hands of Sandusky is in 1995, when his now-legally adopted son was still a teenage foster child in his home.
The adoption file for Matt Sandusky, who had a different name at the time, contains letters of concern from his mother to children and youth officials and to a Centre County judge.
Matt's biological mother, Debra Long, testified before the grand jury.
Matt, 33, is not one of the victims in the grand jury presentment, but he did testify before the grand jury.
Sandusky's attorney, Joe Amendola, said Long is upset with Sandusky for helping her son and her allegations are not based in fact. Matt went to live with the Sandusky family after he was caught setting fire to a barn in 1995.
Children and Youth Services placed him with the Sandusky family at Jerry Sandusky's request. He knew Matt through The Second Mile.
In his book, "Touched: The Jerry Sandusky Story" several pages are devoted to Matt.
"He became an instant challenge for me," Sandusky writes.
Debra Long was allowed to visit her son only one-half day per month after he went to live with the Sanduskys.
About four months after he went to live with Jerry, Matt attempted suicide with a girl who was also staying at Sandusky's house.
"The probation department has some serious concerns about the juvenile's safety and his current progress in placement with the Sandusky family," wrote Terry L. Trude, a school-based probation officer, days after the suicide attempt.
The letter, addressed to Centre County Judge David Grine, also said Long was concerned about Matt's safety and mental condition, and asked that Matt go to a different foster family.
Trude finally recommended that Matt's placement in the Sandusky house be reviewed within two months.
The night of the suicide attempt, Matt wrote a letter to the probation officer dealing with his case.
It read, in part: "I would like to be placed back with the Sanduskys. I feel that they have supported me even when I have messed up. They are a loving caring group of people. I love both my biological family and the Sandusky family."
The day Jerry Sandusky was arrested, Matt brought his kids over to Jerry's house. The mother of Matt's children almost immediately went to court to prevent future visits. A judge's order now prevents Sandusky from having unsupervised contact or overnight visits with his grandchildren.
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Less than three months later, on June 21, 2002, McQueary played in a celebrity golf tournament benefiting Sandusky's charity, The Second Mile, according to citizensvoice.com.
McQueary played in Sandusky's golf tournament again in 2003 and played in another flag football game with Sandusky coaching in April 2004.
http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefootball/story/mike-mcqueary-what-angers-most-is-they-see-themselves-when-they-consider-his-actions-in-penn-state-sex-abuse-scandal-111711 (http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefootball/story/mike-mcqueary-what-angers-most-is-they-see-themselves-when-they-consider-his-actions-in-penn-state-sex-abuse-scandal-111711)
i don't even know how i feel about that article. whitlock likes the attention so he just wrote this to piss off other sportswriters but at least he's making people think a little.
It's Jon Stewart time-oh boy.
http://gawker.com/5859949/jon-stewart-goes-off-on-jerry-sandusky (http://gawker.com/5859949/jon-stewart-goes-off-on-jerry-sandusky)
igy smalls, where's that stuff coming from? Link that shtein, homie.
assistant coach for Syracuse basketball has been accused of molesting a former ball boy.
Sandusky's off the hook!
WE ARE!
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/blog/dr_saturday/post/Promotional-Penn-State-buttons-removed-after-som?urn=ncaaf-wp10079
:-D
"Much ado about nuttin"
No wonder the economy sucks. Wrong kind of profits.
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Perhaps Penn State never was all it was cracked up to be. Joe Paterno talked a noble game, but everything the university stood for—the Grand Experiment and all that—has turned out to be a sham. It pains me to say this because I admired Paterno and thought he was different, but Joe Pa is a hypocrite and a fraud.
The allegations of child sex abuse by former Penn State defensive coordinator Jerry Sandusky are shocking and disgusting enough. But the years-long effort to essentially turn a blind eye to the scandal by Paterno and other university leaders points to a culture that lost sight of what it claimed to be all about.
Paterno and his myth makers went to great lengths to portray Penn State as having higher standards than other universities. "I don't like to put myself up as a do-gooder," he said 20 years ago. "But I am." Sorry Joe, but do-gooders don't do the bare minimum when informed that a fellow coach raped a boy in the school shower.
Warren Buffett famously said: "It takes 20 years to build a reputation and five minutes to ruin it." Penn State and Paterno proved that theory to be true.
A scandal like this—as shocking as it is—would not be such a surprise if it occurred at the University of Miami or one of the many other schools known for routine violations of NCAA rules, low graduation rates, and athletes-turned-criminals. That says more about the state of college sports these days and how the influence of money has corrupted many campuses.
Add Happy Valley to that list. It's not just the Sandusky scandal. Penn State's football program has amassed quite a rap sheet in recent years. Consider: From 2002 to 2008, 46 Penn State football players have faced 163 criminal counts, according to an analysis by ESPN. Twenty-seven players were convicted or pleaded guilty to 45 counts.
The players have been charged with a variety of crimes ranging from sexual assault and brandishing a knife to making terroristic threats and several DUIs. In one incident, a group of about 15 football players broke into an apartment and beat up several students after one of their teammates and his girlfriend was involved in an altercation. One student was reportedly attacked with a beer bottle, another was struck with a wooden stool, while a third was kicked in the face.
The charges against the players involved in the apartment melee were either withdrawn or bargained down. The sexual assault charge against another player was also withdrawn.
Are these incidences a sign that the rules didn't apply to Paterno's football program? This much is clear: Paterno's Grand Experiment, as he called it, of melding football excellence and academic integrity has turned out to be a farce. There may have been a time when Paterno maintained those two ideals. But the hero worship of Paterno combined with calls for his retirement, mounting pressure to win, and the big bucks generated by the football program likely conspired to blur the lines.
There is no doubt Paterno was a great coach who had a positive impact on many of his players, who graduated at higher rates than players from most other football schools. He helped put the university on the map both athletically and academically. Paterno backed up his words with hefty financial gifts to the university, which helped build a library wing and support other academic efforts.
Those are all good deeds that are a big part of the measure of the man. But Paterno clearly dropped the ball on the Sandusky case. He was Penn State. More so than the athletic director or the president, Paterno had the ability to put a stop to Sandusky's alleged misdeeds.
Instead, Paterno passed the buck. But as the other scandals show, all has not been perfect at Penn State for some time. In fact, the effort to protect Paterno's legacy resulted in his and Penn State's undoing.
hope he has time to read a lot of miami hate mail.
as an institution an athletic dept. or just a fan i would never act like i was better than anyone else...because its gonna happen to you...it may be next week or next month or in five years but its gonna happen
of course raping children is different but i really could care less what my teams employees do...i always used to laugh my ass off at eagle fans who would kill the cowboys for doing drugs and and wildin out duriing their dynasty
who the farg cares...id trade joe banner getting busted for running a drug cartel out of his office for the eagles to win one superbowl much less three....sanduskys problem was that he was using second mile to prey on and pimp out little kids when he should have been using it as a way to pay better players to come to penn state
Joe Pa has a "treatable" form of lung cancer.
wow
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/18/joe-paterno-lung-cancer-scott-treatable-disease_n_1102071.html
Man, how the mighty have fallen.
i would have been happy with that news if the scandal hadnt already fired him
now it almost feels like piling on
I think this is for sympathy. No doubt he has it, but if the Sandusky thing didn't come out, no one would know about this until after the season.
opened as a 16-pt underdog at Wisconsin.....down to 14.5
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STATE COLLEGE, Pa. -- The alleged victim who sparked the child molestation case against Jerry Sandusky has been forced to leave school due to bullying.
The alleged victim -- referred to as Victim One in the 23-page grand jury presentment -- was forced to leave school midway through this senior year after fellow students at Central Mountain High School, about 30 miles (48 km) northeast of Penn State University, reacted harshly to the firing of head football coach Joe Paterno.
The now 17-year-old's family psychologist, Mike Gillum, told The Harrisburg Patriot-News the name-calling and verbal threats became too much.
what did his parents think was going to happen giving him the name Victim.
His name is Victor Timothy.
It's not his fault.
It's not his fault.
It's not his fault.
This game is the 2nd most embarrassing moment in recent Penn State history.
#1 was me Tebowing in front of the Corner Room, of course.
ESPN reporting that Mississippi State coach Dan Mullen is the leading candidate.
I would love to see him as the next coach, other than Sumlin he would probably be my choice.
SI.com is reporting that a deal for Mullen is close. Wonder if they are just going off the previous reports?
i know msu cant win in the sec but why does this guy want to clean up this mess
For right or wrong it still is an attractive job.
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on November 29, 2011, 11:46:08 PM
SI.com is reporting that a deal for Mullen is close. Wonder if they are just going off the previous reports?
The local news station that SI referenced retracted the story (http://www.wapt.com/sports/29883166/detail.html).
Quote from: MDS on November 30, 2011, 12:00:00 AM
i know msu cant win in the sec but why does this guy want to clean up this mess
i honestly dont see that big of a mess when it comes to the football program...unless some smoking gun comes out i dont see there being any sanctions and when mullen arrives there literally wont be a single person left on campus from the paterno era...nor will there be an executives left in the school administration
of course the penn state name will carry smudge for a while but i think from a football aspect the scandal is overrated...and really how much worse can the program get....since joining the big ten penn state has less conference titles than northwestern
they are never going to get a top level coach like urban meyer scandal or no scandal but right now i think its the perfect job for a second tier coach like mullen who wants a massive promotion and a challenge....in fact if a guy like mullen turned down the job because of the challenges perceived or real that the scandal presents then farg him hes a Hoyda and i wouldnt want him anyway
this may sound crazy but i think the job might actually be better now than if paterno rode off into the sunset on a white horse...it actually will be easier to take the job now because you will be following a scandal more than a legend...and even that legend is now is disgraced...the pressure will now be much lower and the leash much longer
creepy article from 2008....
http://www.lockhaven.com/page/content.detail/id/506088/A-wealth-of-knowledge.html
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 30, 2011, 07:28:58 AM
Quote from: MDS on November 30, 2011, 12:00:00 AM
i know msu cant win in the sec but why does this guy want to clean up this mess
i honestly dont see that big of a mess when it comes to the football program...unless some smoking gun comes out i dont see there being any sanctions and when mullen arrives there literally wont be a single person left on campus from the paterno era...nor will there be an executives left in the school administration
of course the penn state name will carry smudge for a while but i think from a football aspect the scandal is overrated...and really how much worse can the program get....since joining the big ten penn state has less conference titles than northwestern
they are never going to get a top level coach like urban meyer scandal or no scandal but right now i think its the perfect job for a second tier coach like mullen who wants a massive promotion and a challenge....in fact if a guy like mullen turned down the job because of the challenges perceived or real that the scandal presents then farg him hes a Hoyda and i wouldnt want him anyway
this may sound crazy but i think the job might actually be better now than if paterno rode off into the sunset on a white horse...it actually will be easier to take the job now because you will be following a scandal more than a legend...and even that legend is now is disgraced...the pressure will now be much lower and the leash much longer
could be, but all anyone sees when penn st flashes on the screen or comes knocking on their door on a recruiting trip is jerry sandusky buttfarging a 10 year old
at worst they recruit the same level of talent as they have for the last 15 years but they have better coaching
so most likely they are going somewhere between the outback and alamo bowls
time will tell because maybe im downplaying the effect that the scandal will have but that sounds about right for a floor...their ceiling should be the big ten title game every year with the hopes of winning it once a decade
i don't think it's going to affect the football program one bit...give or take a few players in the upcoming one to two years that made split second decisions and changed their minds, they weren't recruiting big time talent lately anyway. in fact i wouldn't be surprised if kids weren't coming to psu because of playing for a 100 year old coach.
the school in general is going to suffer a lot financially just because of the stigma but even that will go away. shtein, all this story took was the syracuse story for it to drop down in the news cycle.
they haven been natty title good since 1994 how in the hell is some msu reject gonna change that
Quote from: MDS on November 30, 2011, 02:26:05 PM
they haven been natty title good since 1994 how in the hell is some msu reject gonna change that
lolol...who said one thing about winning a national championship...are you retarded
santa, or harry hannukah
Devon Still, Big Ten Defensive POY
He's from Delaware. MOCK
Bradley will be the coach in the bowl game, assuming they go to one.
Boise State coach Chris Petersen and TCU coach Gary Patterson are in the mix in addition to Dan Mullen.
Can't imagine Patterson leaving TCU since they will mow be in a BCS conference.
they will get raped on the recruiting trail, though
behind ut and a&m and maybe even baylor...and now the sec gets 4 games per year in the middle of the triangle to show of how superior they are to everyone else.
he could easily bail
Ironically, I always thought Patterson looked like a pedophile.
In other news, apparently PSU is in fact looking to have the new coach in place PRIOR to the bowl game.
All bowl game proceeds will be donated to child abuse groups.
They should have donated the gate receipts for the Cornhusker game but whatever. Nice gesture I guess.
Sandusky did an extended interview with the NYT. I only heard a few sound bytes on the radio, but good god, this guy is digging his own grave even deeper everytime he opens his mouth. And while the amateur lawyer in me says this guy needs to stfu, the rest of me hopes he does a few dozen more interviews so that it makes the trial that much quicker and the victims can get a verdict without a long, drawn out trial.
What, when he says he is not only attracted to young boys, but also young girls... because he's a "people person"... That doesn't seem totally plausible?!? Hahahahaha CRINGE
Maybe he just wants to get himself lynched and end it all quickly.
by far the most notable thing to come out of the interview is when he says he was never at anytime approached by joe about any incidents having to do with children
I think Sandusky is the real victim here
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 03, 2011, 02:05:05 PM
by far the most notable thing to come out of the interview is when he says he was never at anytime approached by joe about any incidents having to do with children
Why is that notable? It's clear that the man seems to be generally incapable of telling the truth. And even if he is, what would Joe gain by confronting him in person about the 2nd hand information he had?
You want to randomly believe him about that but not the rest of his bullshtein story? Please.
its notable because the man at the center of it all has now said joe didnt speak to him ever...we all kinda know he didnt already but coming from him its definitely notable...he could have easily yeah joe came to me and i told him the incident didnt happen...or i said god no joe of course i would never do something like that...the fact that he says joe never approached him buries the old coot ever further
Haha, no. You have to give Sandusky a shred of credit to come to that conclusion. So... No.
Joe didn't want anything to do with that situation. He wanted to believe things were fine and the accusations were false. In Joe's world, people don't do the kinds of things that Sandusky did. He had zero curiosity to learn more about what was happening, and zero drive to make sure it got handled correctly.
That's why he never approached Sandusky, and that's why he was fired in shame.
That is certainly Joe Six-Pack's current going theory, yes.
The relevant facts will come out in the trial, and if you are still paying attention, I hear you might be quite surprised.
Quote from: FastFreddie on December 03, 2011, 04:17:57 PM
The relevant facts will come out in the trial, and if you are still paying attention, I hear you might be quite surprised.
ha
Pretty sure that no one will have the last "laugh" in this one.
espcially the kids they all let get raped
Yes, you have clearly been reading your Jemele Hill and Jason Whitlock.
Love your wording too. More blame on "all" the people who "let" them become victims, not on the guy who, you know, did the raping. You're a dolt.
i thought it was a given that sandusky needs to rot in hell....are there some people that dont think this?
or is this another penn state fans roundabout way of defending joe pa who ignored/hid a child rapist because he was a good football coach
He needs to rot in hell, for sure, but he's for sure telling the truth about Joe never confronting him.
Frankly, I didn't even really like him as a coach, not since the mid 90's. But I still believe he's generally a good guy who did as much or more than most people would, and much more than ESPN did in the Bernie Fine case (http://tominpaine.blogspot.com/2011/11/upon-further-review-joe-paterno-rose-to.html).
Considering the amount of information actually known at the time and the fact that Sandusky and the others being charged get to wait for their judgment, the way Joe has been treated is akin to a witch trial.
lets just agree every last one of them should burn....including joe pa...then move on to many more years of big ten mediocrity
Only if you agree that you and I will burn too but get to gamble and drink the entire way to the fire.
i think that goes without saying
btw goooooooo cle$-SON!
unless i completely shtein the bed during bowl season this year will go down as my biggest W in my betting history....as i stand right now it would be hard for me not to finish over a grand up
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 03, 2011, 02:21:49 PM
its notable because the man at the center of it all has now said joe didnt speak to him ever...we all kinda know he didnt already but coming from him its definitely notable...he could have easily yeah joe came to me and i told him the incident didnt happen...or i said god no joe of course i would never do something like that...the fact that he says joe never approached him buries the old coot ever further
You can't believe anything that dude says. He's a pathological liar.
looks like PSU to the TicketCity Bowl in Dallas, possibly against Houston
That's actually a pretty cool matchup if right.
now confirmed
game's a noon start on MON 1/2....an hour before the Winter Classic at CBP
oh, so thats where it is?
PSU football wins "academic bowl" again. No discernible difference between white and black players academically. (http://theschoolphilly.com/2011/12/07/suck-it-america-penn-state-ranks-1-in-country-in-their-football-teams-academics/)
Sandusky spending the night in prison. hbionic working on video feed.
Got to love how he still rocks his PSU gear.
Quote from: FastFreddie on December 07, 2011, 12:20:38 PM
PSU football wins "academic bowl" again. No discernible difference between white and black players academically. (http://theschoolphilly.com/2011/12/07/suck-it-america-penn-state-ranks-1-in-country-in-their-football-teams-academics/)
solid work there by arkansas.
Matt Goldich:
QuoteJerry Sandusky was jailed Wednesday. The judge said when he let him go free the first time he was "just horsing around".
And in other news, reports are that Paterno's health is much worse than previously reported. Since he's a de facto child rapist, I can only assume he'll be burning in hell super soon, AMIRITE y'all?!? High five!
if there were a hell....but since there isnt he will have to die knowing his legacy was ruined which might be worse than hell for him
Its amaizing how timing works, i wonder if his legacy would have taken such a big hit if this story broke a year from now and he was dead?
No, that's not nearly as interesting a story.
being dead or not would probably not change the fact that he helped cover up child rape
Which you have enough information to be sure that he did, of course.
We all do. It's pretty obvious
Seems that way.
cover up is open to interpretation...i suspect he did tho
however theres no doubt he was grossly and willifully ignorant about it and contributed to additonal victims being abused
It is currently open to interpretation, yes.
not really. i know it hurts to admit it, but Joe isn't the saint that they want you to believe.
The one thing that would be different is that he wouldn't be actively coaching, so a lot of the shenanigans that occurred during the week before his firing obviously wouldn't have occurred.
It would still have tarnished his image greatly, but it may not have been quite as glaring.
I don't believe him to be anything of the sort. But I do believe that he did more with the level of information he had than others have done in similar situations, well beyond his legal obligation and further into "moral" territory than you think.
I also think anything he did or didn't do based on his awareness is not nearly the worst thing he, you, or I has done in any of our lives. But again, I'm speculating too. Just looking forward to seeing what comes out in court.
the only way he is anything less than despicable is if ginger is lying and didnt tell him about the rape...other than that having happened hes a disgraceful coward who did nothing that night...and did the absolute minimum the next day...and in the years that followed he still catered to the monster
then you also have to believe that he had never heard of the 99 incident or just general talk about sandusky...which would be kind of hard to believe in a small community like that
but to be fair those things could be overlooked...however when you add on top of whatever else he knew an eyewitness real time account of a child rape being reported directly to him then his immediate reaction and his subsequent behavior towards sandusky and kids in the years that followed are nothign short of horrendous
also joe isnt "others"...he was the king of the castle up there he was essentially god and because of that should be held to a higher standard than what me or you would do
I love that Joe was supposed to run to the police with nothing more then a story. He told the people he was supposed to tell with the lack of evidence that he had. The people that were supposed to investigate, didn't.
Or they did and covered it up.
you're right, he has no culpability in any of this
You love straw men, don't you? School of IGY Hyperbolic shtein I guess
I just don't go right from no blame at all to he's basically a child molester as some (IGY) are saying.
how else can your statement be interpreted? you are saying he did nothing wrong?
so either A) you don't understand what you are actually saying or B) you're just trying to get people react to you
Quote from: SunMo on December 08, 2011, 04:18:17 PM
how else can your statement be interpreted? you are saying he did nothing wrong?
so either A) you don't understand what you are actually saying or B) you're just trying to get people react to you
You are ignoring this user.
Show me the post.
yeah, probably the way to go
lol so there's absolutely no shade of grey? Either he's basically a child molester or he did nothing at all wrong?
Come on, dude. You can't be that dense.
Child molestation charges don't go away, even if there's nothing to back them up. Imagine if they were false, and Paterno went to the police based on one story from somebody who came to him the next day. How many lives does that ruin? Not just Paterno's, and sandusky's....but everyone who was working for 2nd mile, every kid who benefited from 2nd mile, the kids that played football for Penn State at the time who would no doubt be playing for a damaged program if that happened, etc.
Which is why, in my mind, while Paterno might not have done the best thing (especially in hindsight), he did what was probably the best course of action to take at the time.
My biggest grievance with him is why he didn't follow up with the investigation. It seems like to me he told the people he thought he should tell, and then assumed everything was okay. I guess you can chalk that up to old man ignorance but I'd like to think he could have at least said "hey, so uhh...whats going on with this child farging thing?"
If Curley, Schultz, and Sandusky are found NOT GUILTY, it will be the Ginger's fault. (http://mobile.pennlive.com/advpenn/pm_29239/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=hB2GP4T2)
Mcqueary's stories are too inconsistent. First he saw Sandusky sodomizing a boy, then it was oral sex, then it was 'horsing around', now this.
what most sickening about ginger is that hes changing his story now to make himself look less like a scumbag but in turn he is making it easier for a child rapist to get off...so in the end he is almost making himself look worst than sandusky himself
there really isnt a lower life form on this planet than a ginger
they're alive?
I'm not defending Paterno's inactions in anyway... but I think it's ironic that ESPN villified Paterno so much when they were sitting on that Syracuse tape for all those years.
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 11, 2011, 05:32:22 PM
what most sickening about ginger is that hes changing his story now to make himself look less like a scumbag but in turn he is making it easier for a child rapist to get off...so in the end he is almost making himself look worst than sandusky himself
there really isnt a lower life form on this planet than a ginger
RECAP (http://www.laschout.org/2011/12/12/latest-mcqueary-info-has-massive-ramifications-for-all-involved/)
Basically, McQueary is going to get the entire administration of PSU canned, Sandusky freed, and the governor investigated.
see let me see if i got this straight regarding ginger...with no reason to lie and no pressure on him whatsoever to tell what he saw he says this....
1. he saw a kid getting raped and told no less than paterno the ad the school prez and under oath a grand jury that he saw it but did nothing to stop it
now the story breaks and there is massive amounts of pressure on him and his career seems to be heading into the abyss because he saw a child being raped and did nothing about it so his story now shifts to this....
2. i saw a child being raped and i did stop it
no one on the planet believes this for one second and the heat on ginger gets ratcheted up even more and so then his story becomes this...
3. i never saw a child being raped but i think i heard one being raped...
the number of people on the planet who believe this still stands at zero....
4. (stay tuned)
sound about right?
Quote from: FastFreddie on December 13, 2011, 06:31:44 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 11, 2011, 05:32:22 PM
what most sickening about ginger is that hes changing his story now to make himself look less like a scumbag but in turn he is making it easier for a child rapist to get off...so in the end he is almost making himself look worst than sandusky himself
there really isnt a lower life form on this planet than a ginger
RECAP (http://www.laschout.org/2011/12/12/latest-mcqueary-info-has-massive-ramifications-for-all-involved/)
Basically, McQueary is going to get the entire administration of PSU canned, Sandusky freed, and the governor investigated.
Sandusky freed? Youre out of your mind. That dude wont see the light of day for a long regardless of what McQueary says about that particular victim.
dont pay attention that whole piece is a pro penn state schill job
report from the prelim today says there will be a plea deal where he will get 6 years
Defensive tackle and ESPNU 150 recruit Tommy Schutt decommitted from Penn State and opted instead for Ohio State on Monday, according to Glenbard West High School (Ill.) coach Chad Hetlet.
Schutt was Penn State's top-ranked Class of 2012 recruit. He changed his commitment after visiting Ohio State over the weekend.
I was going to post about Schutt yesterday when the board was FUBAR. Can't blame anyone for decommitting at all, stings when they choose another Big Ten school, but oh well.
Wouldn't hurt Penn State to go ahead and hire a coach. Frankly, as a recruit, that is one of the biggest reasons you pick a school. Most of the other schools have already hired replacements.
And hopefully 6 years is a life sentence if reports are true.
n/m - His attorney reiterated that there will be no plea deal.
of course he denied it...by admitting he was considering a plea is essentially saying your client is guilty
he better of reiterated that
hes got 50 some charges against him--no way they let him off on 6 years
he would get so few years because of his age and the fact that it would keep all the victims from having to go thru the pain of a trial...im guessing even if he got six years he would have an anklet for the rest of his life...thats if he even survived jail
i'm not a laywer but why would they ever waive the hearing today? Seems like you'd want to know exactly what you're up against. i mean i want the guy to get the max possible but jesus it doesn't seem like this lawyer is doing anything right. i mean yeah it might make him look even worse by making the kids describe what happened but then at least you know how to fight it. there's definitely either going to be a plea or he's already given in to the fact that he's toast.
i think hes farging with the kids hoping some or all of them will get frustrated by having to mentally get up to testify in court only for it to be cancelled at the last second...then maybe a bunch of them will be like farg this just make it go away and plead out...or just bail completely
remember most of these kids would have never come forward if not for the intial accuser so its not liek they are all hyped up to bury sandusky
he will know what hes up against via discovery so in that sense cancelling today doesnt have an effect on his defense
Devon Still:
QuoteIts crazy when all ya hard work n dedication is overshadowed by something you had nothing to do wit #TheLifeOfAPennStater
that first nfl paycheck will make him feel better
good for him....
Quote
Victim 4:
"This is the most difficult time of my life. I can't put into words how unbearable this has been on my life, both physically and mentally. I can't believe they put us through this only to waive the hearing."
"Regardless of the decision to waive the hearing, nothing has changed. I still will stand my ground and testify the truth."
Can't imagine. Him and the others testifying deserve a lot of credit for going through all this.
Can't make this stuff up.
Sandusky's Lawyer: If You Believe Witness, I Suggest You Dial 1-800-REALITY (That's A Gay Phone Sex Line) (http://t.co/p4lZSzO4)
Next head coach will be one of the following, maybe:
Chris Petersen
Mike Munchak
Mark Richt
Dan Mullen
Al Golden
MOCK
I have read a lot of chatter that says there is a done deal in place with an unidentified coach.
Supposedly it could be announced next week or after the bowl.
A lot of speculation its Richt.
I've read a lot of the same. Not a bad deal for him. Will make more coin and won't have to play in the SEC anymore.
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_7OC0YbG2fek/RylRsgebysI/AAAAAAAADTI/uQKKTdiThNI/s1600/MarkRicht.jpg)
They certainly could do much worse if it is truly the case.
ginger testifying that he did see sandusky bawling the kid...then went to his locker door and slammed it....then went back and looked and it had stopped
He also said he did not see insertion.....it must have been extremely awkward to be in that courtroom.
Richt would be a fantastic hire, probably better than they could ever hope for, actually.
Apparently Curtis Drake knocked out McFavre after practice today. Even McGloin said it was his own fault, he was still heated after practice and Drake tried to talk to him but he wanted no parts of it.
It got heated from there and he ended up out cold on his back and had a seizure.
Noah Spence, a 5-star DE from McDevitt, was expected to go to PSU. He took his first visit to Ohio State this weekend...and committed to them
he was expected to go to penn state aLONG time ago..since the paterno rape scandal he was always going to ohio state....even before urban came to town
Munchak will be named Monday if the Titans lose Saturday (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/994055-penn-state-coaching-search-beware-if-tennessee-loses-on-saturday) (speculation)
In other news, Penn State researchers may have cured Leukemia. You probably won't hear about that, though.
http://www.titansonline.com/news/article-1/Coach-Munchaks-Friday-Practice-Report/57b36e90-9aa3-4e1d-859a-a3d648d9702f (http://www.titansonline.com/news/article-1/Coach-Munchaks-Friday-Practice-Report/57b36e90-9aa3-4e1d-859a-a3d648d9702f)
Quote from: FastFreddie on December 22, 2011, 01:40:40 PM
Munchak will be named Monday if the Titans lose Saturday (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/994055-penn-state-coaching-search-beware-if-tennessee-loses-on-saturday) (speculation)
In other news, Penn State researchers may have cured Leukemia. You probably won't hear about that, though.
stop with the poor penn state act
i'm pretty sure that if the nazi's cured cancer we'd hear about it
Boise State's meaningless bowl is tonight, so we may find out in the next few days if Petersen's the guy or not
Quote from: SunMo on December 22, 2011, 01:54:56 PM
stop with the poor penn state act
i'm pretty sure that if the nazi's cured cancer we'd hear about it
Much easier to be a "fan" than an alumnus of a tarnished school, but your meaningless input has been noted regardless.
people who treat colleges like god are worse than people who believe in god
its a bunch of farging brick buildings...settle down
Penn State is no more a "god" to me than the government is one to you, spanky. Now get back to the film room, ok?
Quote from: FastFreddie on December 22, 2011, 02:11:45 PM
Quote from: SunMo on December 22, 2011, 01:54:56 PM
stop with the poor penn state act
i'm pretty sure that if the nazi's cured cancer we'd hear about it
Much easier to be a "fan" than an alumnus of a tarnished school, but your meaningless input has been noted regardless.
i guess someone who holds a penn state degree knows a thing or two about meaningless things.
Zing! That sense of humor is why you're awesome.
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 22, 2011, 03:37:22 PM
people who treat colleges like god are worse than people who believe in god
its a bunch of farging brick buildings...settle down
Oh dear god, you should meet my friends who are USC grads. "OJ didn't do it, we got farged by the NCAA, the Coliseum is Mecca, farg UCLA, SEC sucks, Pat Haden is the messiah, Mike Garret is awesome........". I swear they are still in their Freshman year 25 years later. I was hoping the next sex scandal involved SC just to shut them up.
Wait, you think OJ did it?
Quote from: Don Ho on December 23, 2011, 01:02:41 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 22, 2011, 03:37:22 PM
people who treat colleges like god are worse than people who believe in god
its a bunch of farging brick buildings...settle down
Oh dear god, you should meet my friends who are USC grads. "OJ didn't do it, we got farged by the NCAA, the Coliseum is Mecca, farg UCLA, SEC sucks, Pat Haden is the messiah, Mike Garret is awesome........". I swear they are still in their Freshman year 25 years later. I was hoping the next sex scandal involved SC just to shut them up.
and those are cheesy west coast people who dont care about anything
Supposedly PSU's current wish list:
1. Chris Petersen (not looking good)
2. Mike Munchak (would have to miss playoffs)
3a. Jim Grobe (Legendz is crossing his fingers)
3b. David Cutcliffe (Too bad there are no more Mannings)
FWIW the latest rumor is Chip Kelly to PSU and Petersen to Oregon
Quote from: FastFreddie on December 24, 2011, 07:45:29 AM
Supposedly PSU's current wish list:
1. Chris Petersen (not looking good)
2. Mike Munchak (would have to miss playoffs)
3a. Jim Grobe (Legendz is crossing his fingers)
3b. David Cutcliffe (Too bad there are no more Mannings)
Ha, I think Grobe's personality is a good fit and would do fairly well stabilizing the program.
That being said, he would make PSU even more conservative if that was somehow possible. It is maddening to watch a team have 1st and 10 with 55 seconds left on the 30 yard line down 2, run once into the line, call a TO with 10 seconds left, and try a 48 yard FG for the win because he doesn't want to risk the team throwing an interception.
Quote from: BigEd76 on December 25, 2011, 11:01:43 PM
FWIW the latest rumor is Chip Kelly to PSU and Petersen to Oregon
I can't believe Phil Knight would let that happen.
Edit: #3 kind of explains that.
(http://bleacherreport.com/articles/985410-5-highly-speculative-reasons-why-chip-kelly-might-be-going-to-penn-state)
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on December 25, 2011, 11:51:09 PM
Quote from: FastFreddie on December 24, 2011, 07:45:29 AM
Supposedly PSU's current wish list:
1. Chris Petersen (not looking good)
2. Mike Munchak (would have to miss playoffs)
3a. Jim Grobe (Legendz is crossing his fingers)
3b. David Cutcliffe (Too bad there are no more Mannings)
Ha, I think Grobe's personality is a good fit and would do fairly well stabilizing the program.
That being said, he would make PSU even more conservative if that was somehow possible. It is maddening to watch a team have 1st and 10 with 55 seconds left on the 30 yard line down 2, run once into the line, call a TO with 10 seconds left, and try a 48 yard FG for the win because he doesn't want to risk the team throwing an interception.
That would actually be a good plan with Mratt McFavre at QB.
FWIW sekrahsports whoever that is on twitter is saying it isn't Kelly, though it is a major college coach and it would be a shocker.
Don't know who the guy is but he was the first to report on Pitt's coach and one of the first on Meyer.
Cool. Wish I could believe that.
Yeah I am with you on that....its hard to believe they will get a big name coach waiting this long.
It's not really that hard to believe considering almost every big time coach who'd be interested is still prepping his team for an upcoming bowl game.
And considering that the 2012 recruiting class is going to suck, they might as well wait for a big name guy, take their lumps in 2012 and focus on 2013.
The "big names" that are being bantered about all sound preposterous.
Stoops.
Saban.
Miles.
YearightLOL
Can they hire Tressel? That would be a very intriguing hire for me.
Stoops would be the only one that would kind of make sense, Miles and Saban LOL is right.
Flavor of the day:
Jon Gruden (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/998785-penn-state-football-could-jon-gruden-be-penn-states-next-head-football-coach?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter)
Also Pat Fitzgerald is still in the mix, apparently. And the "8.0 earthquake" guy sekrahsports on twitter has been completely discredited, to no one's surprise.
I can't imagine Gruden turning down OSU and Miami then accepting the Penn State job.
Who the hell knows though, just about everyone has been rumored to this job.
gruden seems to really love being an espn guy but i'd love it.
He seems to miss teaching a lot plus there's the who savior thing...
Stranger things have happened.
if jon gruden, who could have like 10 different nfl jobs and currently has one of the cushiest gigs out there, is the next penn state coach i will fly down to florida and personally give rome the best handjob hes ever had in his 60 years of whining and being angry about things.
then ill WALK to south carolina and give FF some of the attention he craves. wanna go to a bar and watch the game, buddy?
That's on my to do list just under showering with Sandusky.
Decision has been made. Search committee disbanded.
Munchak is the name du jour again.
schefter tweeted that munchak was approached early in the process but he was not interested
i dont know if he will take it but it makes no sense.....guy puts his time in for 15 years at the nfl level and finally gets his shot at the big time to after one year quit for a hideous college job
It doesn't really make sense for Penn State either. No clue if he'll be any good as a head coach at any level and he has no experience coaching at college.
From his standpoint, it makes sense if he gets paid more than he's making with the Titans. Money talks.
i don't know why they don't just steal saban away from bama with bob stoops as the DC
it's not rocket science here people
RT @jwyattsports: "I love my alma mater, but I have no interest in being head coach at Penn St," Munchak said. "I never want to leave TN."
So he'll sign on friday
Quote from: FastFreddie on December 28, 2011, 11:11:11 AM
It doesn't really make sense for Penn State either. No clue if he'll be any good as a head coach at any level and he has no experience coaching at college.
under normal circumstances id totally agree...however at this point munchak would have actually looked like a solid hire...thats how far penn state has fallen...
doesnt really matter who the next coach is tho...they just have to keep the ship a float for a few years...restore some faith in the recruiting world get fundraising back up to accpetable levels and then move aside for a real coach.....the problem is all potential suitors know this as well so whos gonna sacrifice themselves like that
Jim Grobe, David Cutcliffe, or Tom Clements? Excitement!
Amusing post on Nick Saban rumors (http://www.blackshoediaries.com/2011/12/29/2668022/nick-saban-penn-state-coaching-search)
The thing I will say is that it would probably take $8m/year for him to even blink about it.
Meanwhile, Florio decided it was worth publishing an Eric Mangini story. Riiiiiiight.
penn state fans are maybe the worst possible fans in the world...sec fans are 1000 times better and more into their teams but cfb is a religion down their so you expect it...penn state fans are pathetic and know they are second third or fourth tier but still try to be like sec fans when really they are like purdue fans
its so embarrassing
that it 1000% a shot at FF and he will respond and it will be irritating
hes not nearly alone...there are thousands of other pennsyltuckians that want penn state to be way more important than it is
UPS or GTFO?
ups will go down as one of the best calls ever
I wonder what kind of career Derrick Williams would have had if he didn't go to the Lions, and then the Lions. Justin King and Deon Butler still have jobs somehow.
Rob Bolden gets the start on Monday.
didn't he just get busted shoplifting?
i guess its not kiddie rape at least.
McGloin is still concussed from his fight with Curtis Drake, so I guess you have the petty criminal or the idiot Favre wannabe.
OU of 56.5 seems really high.
drake and mcgloin are going to have amazing chemistry next year.
I hope Drake stays and they just run option/wildcat all year. McGloin can transfer to Bucks County Community College.
Hey, they kept a recruit! (http://mobile.pittsburgh.sbnation.com/penn-st-nittany-lions/2011/12/29/2669554/jamil-pollard-penn-state-coaching-search-football-recruiting-joe-paterno)
I'm talking to myself at this point, but here's an interesting read anyway. (http://www.statecollege.com/news/columns/penn-state-football-coach-search-more-munch-the-packer-is-back-and-a-guess-that-may-be-richt-972161/)
Makes sense.
I wouldn't mind seeing Smart as the HC
Munchak is wavering (http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7408041/tennessee-titans-coach-mike-munchak-not-dead-set-penn-state-nittany-lions-sources-say)
doing his alma mater a favor with a smoke screen - zero chance he's the guy
FWIW Sekrah is now hinting that it's Les Miles
FWIW sekrah is a troll from Ohio State message boards.
Why is Rob Bolden so terrible?
How do you know that he is an OSU guy?
And yes Bolden is really bad.
I'm not going to type out the explanation, but trust me... He is 100% full of shtein.
There is really no point in playing Bolden. Go 100% to wildcat and hope to score. At some point.
No way he didn't step out of bounds 2 or 3 times...how isn't that called right away?
Those freaks from Westboro Cult picketed the bowl game complete with signs that had stick figures ass fargin'.
If hell exists, the Westboro fargers have a reserved spot in the shower with Sandusky.
Bolden gets blindsided, fumbles, then gets rocked. PSU recovers the fumble. Then Bolden throws a beautiful strike for a TD. Weird series there. Houston's about to get that 7 back with ease.
Penn State sucks. No pun intended.
Well they sure do blow.
I wonder if dear old state is getting kickbacks from the agents for Tom Clements, Bill O'Brien, and Greg Roman.
Devon Still signed with Rosenhaus
Woop woop go Delaware players
http://mobile.blackshoediaries.com/2012/1/4/2681127/possibly-search-committee-update (http://mobile.blackshoediaries.com/2012/1/4/2681127/possibly-search-committee-update)
which brings me to my next point... Don't do crack
Also, the flavor of the day is Greg Schiano. I would actually like him more than a big name, big dollar coach. Better fit for current situation.
The "big fish" "Plan A" coach that was rumored (probably Richt) has cooled, and PSU is likely to go with "Plan B" as soon as tomorrow. Probably Bill O'Brien.
"Plan C" is Tom Bradley. Him and Larry Johnson are out there busting their asses attempting to salvage a recruiting class. Good times.
Chris Mortensen says it's O'Brien. (http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7430206/bill-obrien-agrees-penn-state-nittany-lions-coach-sources-say)
He has a butt chin. I like that. But I would have preferred Juan Castillo.
Penn st people pissed. Wanted a bigger name.
what a delusional group of humans.
Apparently the players are all pissed off as well. Said they were never kept in the loop. Good God, possibly the biggest scandal in college football of all time is unfolding before them and they need to be consulted on the search for a new coach? Be thankful anyone wants near this powderkeg.
worst fears realized
Casual fans pissed because he's not a bigger name.
Connected alums/football players pissed because he's not a "Penn State" guy.
I'm only annoyed because they let nothing slip for two months and then let LaCanfora and Mortensen leak it before they informed the guys out attempting to salvage their recruiting class.
But the good news? Adrian Coxson (http://www.umterps.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/coxson_adrian00.html) has already expressed interest in transferring to UPS.
Buttchin.
I don't understand why they wouldn't just keep Bradley for the short term. Let him absorb the fallout from all of this. Let him coach the terrible recruiting classes they're going to have. Let him be the face of a dying program for a few years until all of this passes. He wants the job anyway, let him have it. Then, when the dust settles, go get that big name guy to be the savior of the program. Getting a mid-level coach who no one actually wants seems like a supremely stupid idea.
agreed on the bradley thing in relation to the coaching position but theres no way they could have anyone even remotely associated with the previous admin
i imagine once bradley were to be named the permanent HC the digging starts and there are articles on every golf tournament he ever played in with sandusky...every third mile donation he made every thrid mile banquet he attended...every football camp he and sandusky were at....all the practices sandusky attended when bradley was DC...ect... ect...
O'Brien's already hiring his former Duke buddies as coaches. The new RB coach is Titans offensive QC coach Charles London, who was a scout for the Eagles in 2010
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 06, 2012, 10:09:23 AM
agreed on the bradley thing in relation to the coaching position but theres no way they could have anyone even remotely associated with the previous admin
Good point.
Quote from: rjs246 on January 06, 2012, 10:28:15 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 06, 2012, 10:09:23 AM
agreed on the bradley thing in relation to the coaching position but theres no way they could have anyone even remotely associated with the previous admin
Good point.
I agree completely with IGY here, but here's the problem:
-Joyner and Lupert told a large group of former players that if they got 100+ former players to sign off on Bradley, they would more seriously consider keeping him. Absolutely no good reason to do that, and they should have been clear from the start that he was not a viable candidate.
-The entire current coaching staff has still not been told anything. Bob Kraft is commenting on the hire and congratulating O'Brien before they even had the common decency to give Bradley/LJ/etc a phone call.
This Board of Trustees is a chickenshtein piece of garbage, and it's no wonder that a pedo was allowed to roam free for over a decade under their watch. CLEAN HOUSE.
On a lighter note, the rumor of the day is that PSU could have had Gruden but they refused to give him an escape clause to take a NFL job in his contract. Thinking about that is much more fun than thinking about the truth.
they hired bill obrien for a reason...you really think any non delusional penn state fan thinks gruden would ever go there
shtein gruden wouldnt go there if the place wasnt a little boy rape factory
O'Brien is a fine hire anyway, IMO. But they literally couldn't have gone about it in worse fashion. Complete botch job from start to finish.
The university has botched everything about this for as far back as you care to go. Cover up, letting Paterno dangle out in front of the media then when he had been vilified enough unceremoniously firing him, the search for a replacement. All of it has been a farging disaster.
Quote from: rjs246 on January 06, 2012, 12:06:20 PM
The university has botched everything about this for as far back as you care to go. Cover up, letting Paterno dangle out in front of the media then when he had been vilified enough unceremoniously firing him, the search for a replacement. All of it has been a farging disaster.
It's a good thing Penn State was already known for having an awful Communications curriculum.
the obrien hire is fine because anyone more qualified than him wouldnt take the job
i mean its not fair to criticize whoever they hired as they should just be happy they have a head coach next year
Quote from: FastFreddie on January 06, 2012, 11:42:37 AM
Quote from: rjs246 on January 06, 2012, 10:28:15 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 06, 2012, 10:09:23 AM
agreed on the bradley thing in relation to the coaching position but theres no way they could have anyone even remotely associated with the previous admin
Good point.
I agree completely with IGY here, but here's the problem:
-Joyner and Lupert told a large group of former players that if they got 100+ former players to sign off on Bradley, they would more seriously consider keeping him. Absolutely no good reason to do that, and they should have been clear from the start that he was not a viable candidate.
-The entire current coaching staff has still not been told anything. Bob Kraft is commenting on the hire and congratulating O'Brien before they even had the common decency to give Bradley/LJ/etc a phone call.
This Board of Trustees is a chickenshtein piece of garbage, and it's no wonder that a pedo was allowed to roam free for over a decade under their watch. CLEAN HOUSE.
This is the biggest problem I have with this whole thing. Can't say that I am thrilled with the hire though either.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 06, 2012, 12:15:40 PM
the obrien hire is fine because anyone more qualified than him wouldnt take the job
i mean its not fair to criticize whoever they hired as they should just be happy they have a head coach next year
Based on the timing and the way they went about it, you absolutely have to be right. There had to be some "interest" from some of these rumored parties causing the long timeline, but ultimately pulling the trigger to agree to be the next coach at PedoBear University was a no go. So, they struck out on everyone good in a painful way, then took the safety candidate in messy fashion.
Quote from: FastFreddie on January 06, 2012, 12:07:50 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on January 06, 2012, 12:06:20 PM
The university has botched everything about this for as far back as you care to go. Cover up, letting Paterno dangle out in front of the media then when he had been vilified enough unceremoniously firing him, the search for a replacement. All of it has been a farging disaster.
It's a good thing Penn State was already known for having an awful Communications curriculum.
Everyone's a farging comedian.
lol
Lavar Arrington. He has toned it down since this outburst.
QuoteThe former two-time All-American and winner of the Butkus Award, Bednarik Award and Lambert Award told Blue White Illustrated that he supported interim coach Tom Bradley and didn't want an "outsider" to permanently take over for legendary Joe Paterno.
"I will put my Butkus [Award] in storage," Arrington told the website. "I will put my Alamo Bowl MVP trophy in storage. Jerseys, anything Penn State, in storage. Wherever Tom Bradley goes, that's the school I will start to put memorabilia up in my home. I'm done. I'm done with Penn State. If they're done with us, I'm done with them.
"If [the Nittany Lions] get rid of Tom Bradley, that means they in essence have accepted the fact that we are all guilty," Arrington added.
It's worth noting that the Alamo Bowl MVP Award of which Arrington speaks is from the same Alamo Bowl that got Jerry Sandusky in a whole lot of trouble, indicating that Arrington may have forgotten about the actual need to hire an outsider for the program.
Apparently he was just culling interest for his radio show. Shocking.
Keeping LJ is huge.
lj cant be mistaken for a creepy elder white guy who might touch the inner thigh of an underage male
being black ftw
I can't understand why ex-Nits are so up in arms over the O'Brien hire. They seem more upset over this than they ever were over the whole pedophile thing. I'm sure I don't care either way but it does seem strange that sooooo many of them are just killing the decision without ever having spoken to much less played for the guy.
Quote from: Rome on January 07, 2012, 01:46:14 PM
I can't understand why ex-Nits are so up in arms over the O'Brien hire. They seem more upset over this than they ever were over the whole pedophile thing.
this is so true....then again you are talking about the same morons who were upset when joe got fired and who would be more than happy if he was reinstated
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 07, 2012, 01:24:22 PM
lj cant be mistaken for a creepy elder white guy who might touch the inner thigh of an underage male
being black ftw
Hahaha no doubt!
I am shocked how much support there was to keep Bradley or a "current member of the staff" as the head coach. Never thought that was an option.
you thought nick saban was an option, though
Quote from: FastFreddie on January 07, 2012, 03:18:09 PM
I am shocked how much support there was to keep Bradley or a "current member of the staff" as the head coach. Never thought that was an option.
dont take this personally but if this whole scandal has done nothing else it has pretty much established how dumb and out of touch with reality people who went to or are going to penn state are
Why would he take that personally?
Quote from: MDS on January 07, 2012, 03:20:19 PM
you thought nick saban was an option, though
You gotta have dreams, Li'l guy.
Quote from: Rome on January 07, 2012, 01:46:14 PM
I can't understand why ex-Nits are so up in arms over the O'Brien hire. They seem more upset over this than they ever were over the whole pedophile thing. I'm sure I don't care either way but it does seem strange that sooooo many of them are just killing the decision without ever having spoken to much less played for the guy.
I don't understand it either. I like the hire and am glad they got a guy who was outside the network. They need a fresh start.
this isnt a fresh start its a fresh in between
id be shocked if this guy gets a second contract
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 08, 2012, 10:28:36 AM
this isnt a fresh start its a fresh in between
id be shocked if this guy gets a second contract
This contract is five years. I'd be shocked if he makes it all the way through. But I wish him well.
Larry Johnson - DL
Charles London - RBs
Ron Vanderlinden- LBs
Stan Hixon - Wide Receivers
John Strollo - TE/OL
Mac McWhorter - OL
Ted Roof - DC
He has put together a staff pretty fast, like the Hixon hiring. They should have opened up some new avenues in recruiting.
Note: Hixon will serve as asst. head coach
Confirmed list of assistant coaches (http://www.blackshoediaries.com/2012/1/8/2692505/the-staff-running-confirmed-list)
Looks like they may have a Special Teams coach for the first time since basically forever. Also, Jay Paterno was not retained, and CNN reported it as "Paterno's son quits amid scandal"... Good stuff.
so i guess turning your head to pedophiles gives you cancer.
http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2012/01/penn_state_official_vowing_to.html
maybe they were all just assuming they'd be gone before the shtein hit the fan.
ten bucks says shultz gets butt cancer within the month.
Quote from: phattymatty on January 11, 2012, 06:47:22 PM
turning your head to pedophiles
A week before his arrest on charges of child sex abuse, sources say Jerry Sandusky watched Joe Paterno notch his 409th victory from the president's box at Beaver Stadium, sources said Wednesday.
A source close to the Penn State board of trustees told The Patriot-News that Sandusky was seen in the president's box that day and later went to the Nitttany Lion Club.
Earlier Wednesday, former Nittany Lions linebacker Brandon Short said he had been told by two independent sources, whom he did not identify, that Sandusky was in the president's box for the Penn State-Illinois game on Oct. 29.
Penn State spokesman Bill Mahon said a search of the guest lists for the box for every Nittany Lions game during the last three seasons showed that Sandusky was never invited to the box.
The source, who requested anonymity out of fear of jeopardizing business relationships, also told The Patriot-News that Curley originally did not want to give Sandusky tickets to the game, but Sandusky's wife, Dottie, was so insistent that he eventually relented.
If that's confirmed, Spanier should be brought up on charges too. But Brandon Short has proven to be a bit of a spazz, so I would like ANYONE else to confirm before I grab my pitchfork.
its on the internet, it must be true?
Psu apologist and child toucher fan FF does it again
Quote from: MDS on January 12, 2012, 12:11:01 PM
Psu apologist and child toucher fan FF does it again
Let's just say I'd trust you as a source for this more than Brandon Short and call it a day.
read again.....the source is not brandon short
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 12, 2012, 02:08:35 PM
read again.....the source is not brandon snow
While it's tempting to give nameless sources more credence, I still think assuming it's true based on that is a bit much.
Brandon Short is a source here as much as JoePa was a witness to the rapes.
i knew you were sick....but this whole time i thought you were one of the members of the temple...brainwashed by a senile football coach a library he built....but i was wrong.....you are jim jones
i don't know what i'm missing in that story. people were looking the other way about sandusky before he was arrested. haven't we already found all this out?
This story is big if true because the grand jury testimonies were all complete. If Sandusky was in Spanier's box to watch that game, chances are both Spanier and Paterno had to sign off.
But you're right, it unfortunately would not be that big of a surprise.
Quote from: phattymatty on January 12, 2012, 02:42:08 PM
i don't know what i'm missing in that story. people were looking the other way about sandusky before he was arrested. haven't we already found all this out?
we already knew they aided a known child rapist but this is extra agregious because they had the man in the presidents suite even after they knew he was gonna be charged and a week before he actually was charged
definitely not surprising just incredible hubris or naivete on these guys part
FWIW Rodney Erickson (the current PSU president) flatly denied the rumor to Smerconish.
Man if you thought FF's paterno worshiping and all around Psu homerism was bad, you need to read the write ups on these town hall meetings theyre doing.
Delusional group of people who can't accept the fact their fossil of a coach protected a child rapist and needed to go.
It is amazing to me how many people don't get the fact he had his hand in everything up there. There is no reason he shouldn't be held accountable.
the funny part of it is that for the last 30 years joe "was penn state"....people bragged about his influence and power and that he essentially ran the university.....he was clearly the most important person not just on campus but in state college and hell one of the biggest figures in the commonwealth
then the scandal breaks and we find out that all these years joe was just a football coach like anyone else and he followed the chain of command the way he should have by letting his AD know what happened in the shower and that when mcquearry came to him that was the first he ever heard about sandusky and young boys
riiiiiiiiiiight
Until I hear any more facts, I basically agree with all of this.
He may have been shielded from some of what was going on....which I highly doubt. And the fact of the matter is that the Ginger at least told him there was some horsing around in the shower.
Just from that it should of been game over for Sandusky as far as being allowed any where near PSU.
the horsing around comment is spin as part of the cover up...ginger has said he told joe exactly what he saw
and dont believe for a second that joe didnt at least hear about if not help cover up the incident that came to light in 1998
and while there is no evidence of joe knowing about any other claims against sandusky i personally find it inconcievable that in the 30 years they spent together that there wasnt a single other time where there wasnt rumblings or talk about sandusky and kids...whether it be locker room chatter...rumor mongering...whispers at a local bar...or even a parent bringing forth concerns
FF needs facts. Logic and reason don't count when it comes to the grandpa they never had
Nah, my grandpas were both kick-ass dudes compared to JoePa. But yeah, I would love more facts. Logic and reason works better when you're dealing in the real.
Quote from: FastFreddie on January 13, 2012, 12:08:47 PM
Logic and reason works better when you're dealing in the real.
Try not to take this as an insult, but those are interesting words coming from a guy who is fairly sound in his religious convictions. It's like IGY saying he doesn't look at things in black and white.
damn son he called you a zealot....shtein just got real
joe pa is ff's gawd
Nah, I don't think FF is a religious zealot at all. I can't really recall him ever preaching religion at all. But I do think that religion plays role in his life....he believes, probably goes to church sometimes, etc, etc.
hes just a white dude that went to penn state, idolizes an old fossil of a coach and is holding out hope this whole thing is one big joke and that in two years penn state can go back to winning national titles like they were before.
i dont think hes down with jc. though, in the least, this tangent is giving him some attention and really thats all he needs and wants.
big joepa - sally jenkins interview coming out in the post on sunday. will definitely be the first time in a while i do something other than pick it up, take out the wapo magazine and chuck the rest.
I'm not sure what's more pathetic. The JoePa apologists or the PSU haters who are gleefully jacking it to this whole situation and waiting with baited breath for the next Penn State fan to say anything vaguely positive about Paterno or the University so they vent evacuate their bladders in a lame attempt to mock.
I really don't want the attention.
And yes, I am "down with JC" but I think there is a difference between having faith in something that you hope IS and something that you hope ISN'T. So, yes, I'd rather hope that there is more to the story than I know and that Joe isn't a de facto child rapist. Others hope the opposite. Others don't care either way but are obsessed with it anyway. Not sure why.
Quote from: rjs246 on January 13, 2012, 02:50:26 PM
I'm not sure what's more pathetic. The JoePa apologists or the PSU haters who are gleefully jacking it to this whole situation and waiting with baited breath for the next Penn State fan to say anything vaguely positive about Paterno or the University so they vent evacuate their bladders in a lame attempt to mock.
Ding Ding! We have a winner!
im a penn state fan and i can tell you its not even close...the penn state cult is far worse...
its more than pathetic...its downright firightening
in fact they create most of the haters
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 13, 2012, 03:03:30 PM
im a penn state fan and...blah blah...penn state...blah blah
blah
blah
So, what you're saying is that you're a kid toucher?
He just roots for them.
If their self righteous fans didn't think Joe was Jesus and their football team was Alabama, then this wouldn't be fun
But they do and it is
Let it go, friend. It's not our fault that Temple football is so bad. Well, partially, because PSU is a strong consideration for some of the best players from the Philadelphia area... but still... not directly. Not to mention, it was a Penn State guy who likely tag teamed 8-year-old boys in the shower with Sandusky who brought the Owls back to respectability.
But at least you guys beat Duke in basketball recently and you got a top-notch education, leading to excellence in all you do and a fantastic job covering the best high school sports south Texas has to offer.
It's your world, Todd, and we're just living in it. High five?
yikes
you are taking this whole thing much harder than anyone thought. references to al golden touching kids? overload on sarcasm? thinking penn state is the reason temple football sucks?
you aight homie
So what is the reason Temple sucks?
bill cosby
an incompetent administration, poor coaching hires, complete lack of talent, lack of exposure, scared white people unwilling to go to school in the hood.
if you honestly believe penn st is the almighty pennsylvania god of football schools and everyone else trembles in their presence and cant compete with them for kids you are even more delusional than i originally thought.
in fact temple and penn st were essentially even the last two times they played. in reality when they play penn st should be winning by 50. those games were more of an insult to penn st than a compliment to temple.
Yeah but Cosby sucks though, right?
Temple has been keeping the losses closer. Good for them.
Quote from: Rome on January 14, 2012, 05:57:41 PM
Yeah but Cosby sucks though, right?
unequivocally. his show was never funny, he was never funny, and now he needs to put out to pasture. its embarrassing when he speaks in public.
Quote from: FastFreddie on January 14, 2012, 06:11:29 PM
Temple has been keeping the losses closer. Good for them.
lol
i dont know if this an insult at me, as if i care about temple football, or a way of gloating about how psu is "still" beating a terrible program like temple. whatever. it aint worth it. see you at church tomorrow amigo.
My favorite Cosby speech:
Quote
We Cannot Blame the White People any Longer
By Dr. William Henry 'Bill' Cosby, Jr., Ed.D.
They're standing on the corner and they can't speak English.
I can't even talk the way these people talk:
"Why you ain't,
Where you is,
What he drive,
Where he stay,
Where he work,
Who you be...".
And I blamed the kid until I heard the mother talk.
And then I heard the father talk.
Everybody knows it's important to speak English except these knuckleheads. You can't be a doctor with that kind of crap coming out of your mouth.
In fact you will never get any kind of job making a decent living.
People marched and were hit in the face with rocks to get an Education, and now we've got these knuckleheads walking around.
The lower economic people are not holding up their end in this deal.
These people are not parenting. They are buying things for kids.
$500 sneakers for what?
And they won't spend $200 for "Hooked on Phonics."
I am talking about these people who cry when their son is standing there in an orange suit.
Where were you when he was 2?
Where were you when he was 12?
Where were you when he was 18, and how come you didn't know that he had a pistol?
And where is the father? Or who is his father?
People putting their clothes on backward. Isn't that a sign of something gone wrong?
People with their hats on backward, pants down around the crack, isn't that a sign of something?
Isn't it a sign of something when she has her dress all the way up and got all type of needles (piercings) going through her body?
What part of Africa did this come from?
We are not Africans. Those people are not Africans; they don't know a thing about Africa.
I say this all of the time — it would be like white people saying they are European-American — that is totally stupid.
I was born here, and so were my parents and grand parents and, very likely my great grandparents. I don't have any connection to Africa, no more than white Americans have to Germany, Scotland, England, Ireland, or the Netherlands.
The same applies to 99 percent of all the black Americans as regards to Africa — so stop, already!
With names like Shaniqua, Taliqua and Mohammed and all of that crap...and all of them are in jail.
Brown or black versus the Board of Education is no longer the white person's problem.
We have got to take the neighborhood back.
People used to be ashamed.
Today a woman has eight children with eight different 'husbands' — or men or whatever you call them now.
We have millionaire football players who cannot read.
We have million-dollar basketball players who can't write two paragraphs. We, as black folks, have to do a better job.
Someone working at Wal-Mart with seven kids, you are hurting us.
We have to start holding each other to a higher standard...
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It's not racist because Cosby is black
so JoePa is about to die from what it sounds like
They should charge Sandusky with murder
I really want to leave this comment naked to see the responses.
I always figured he wouldn't last long after he was done coaching.
It's tragic, but it's just as he said himself: He should have done more.
its only tragic to loser penn state people
to everyone else its an old fart finally going away
Quote from: MDS on January 21, 2012, 07:21:12 PM
its only tragic to loser penn state people
to everyone else its an old fart finally going away
It's not tragic to anyone, he's old and has cancer so this news is expected. Tragic is 9/11, Jerome Brown killing himself and his nephew, Pelle Lindbergh playing bumper cars with a cement wall, the Lost finale.
But if you think to 'everyone else' that Joe Paterno dieing is just some old fart finally going away well in that case you're wrong. He was an icon that defined a university for years and is the all time winningest coach in college football history. As far as deaths in the sports world they don't get much bigger than this.
its not a coincidence hes on his last breath
stress is one powerful motherfarger and surely sped his death ticket up
Quote from: SD on January 21, 2012, 07:27:23 PM
Quote from: MDS on January 21, 2012, 07:21:12 PM
its only tragic to loser penn state people
to everyone else its an old fart finally going away
It's not tragic to anyone, he's old and has cancer so this news is expected. Tragic is 9/11, Jerome Brown killing himself and his nephew, Pelle Lindbergh playing bumper cars with a cement wall, the Lost finale.
But if you think to 'everyone else' that Joe Paterno dieing is just some old fart finally going away well in that case you're wrong. He was an icon that defined a university for years and is the all time winningest coach in college football history. As far as deaths in the sports world they don't get much bigger than this.
maybe thats an issue, that your icon is some old wop who covered up a child predators deeds so the phony reputation of his binge drinking mediocre state school could continue.
im glad hes dead and im glad that penn st got taken down. am i glad children were molested in order to so? no. of course not. but that school and that coach had it coming with the way they ran their lives.
^lol^ at your entire post. I don't even know where to begin.
You have a vendetta against Penn State and JoePa, that's fine, but to downplay what his death means to other people that aren't Penn State fans shows ignorance.
It's interesting to try to have a conscience but not a soul. Why bother?
Reports are starting to trickle in that he's dead, so I guess the haters will be popping the bubbly tonight.
so sad and immature that anyone would want the guy dead....taken out as coach sure...but dead? stop yourself.
i don't know why any of you actually listen to what he says, he's doing it to get a reaction
hes just a football coach, get over it. even if you love penn st football hes not someone you had an actual relationship with. so you really should be somber or hurt. or care that much.
also hes not dead. twitter jumped the gun. shocking.
Quote from: MDS on January 21, 2012, 09:25:48 PM
also hes not dead. twitter jumped the gun. shocking.
Journalistic integrity will get you everywhere, kiddo.
Did Joe Pa write a personal letter of rejection to Todd's Penn St application or something?
no i just hate that people associate a school with an old italian man who happens to coach the pretend holier than thou football team that in the grand scheme of things isnt any good.
its more of an anger toward the general penn st fan base than the school or even paterno himself. people like FF are the reason i despise the football team.
and also--this here tonight is why you dont report anything until youre 1000% sure its true.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on January 21, 2012, 09:35:51 PM
Did Joe Pa write a personal letter of rejection to Todd's Penn St application or something?
No, he tag teamed him in the showers on his campus visit.
Turns out Joe is hung like an elephant.
It's now official, Joe Pa is gone:
http://espn.go.com/
Have at it, jew.
Quote from: SD on January 22, 2012, 10:29:06 AM
It's now official, Joe Pa is gone:
http://espn.go.com/
Have at it, jew.
Somebody better check him for autoerotic asphyxiation.
i honestly couldnt care less
if you are sad, terrific. grieve for an old italian man who did not know you existed.
otherwise, lets watch some football.
there are so many facets of the "grieving" and most are annoying
the worst one is the people who are angry at the media for killing him. seriously, people are saying that.
Yeah, the lung cancer did the trick, I would imagine.
the media gave him lung cancer obviously
Westbrook Baptist is going to protest his funeral.
not suprised
Quote from: FastFreddie on January 22, 2012, 01:38:05 PM
Westbrook Baptist is going to protest his funeral.
You just know that there's a bunch of child rapists in that group.
Quote from: FastFreddie on January 22, 2012, 01:38:05 PM
Westbrook Baptist is going to protest his funeral.
Brian? Byron? Michael? Russell?
Slightly ironic that the guy whose career is based around crappily reporting sports criticizes people for grieving over a football coach.
It's easy to point out the ironies and hypocrisies of people who have an axe to grind. Making them realize that they are making iceholes of themselves is much more difficult.
maybe you should all develop actually personalities and interests instead of holding on to some fantasy of a football coach being a mythological god.
you all have real friends and real families and real important things going on. compare that to a fossil child rapist protector finally dying and then reevaluate.
Point out someone who's doing that. Better yet, stop being an attention whore and making an icehole of yourself.
this coming from the master of that
Hahahaha. Back to ignore for you.
Quote from: MDS on January 22, 2012, 03:40:59 PM
maybe you should all develop actually personalities
Lol coming from igy lite.
On the day Joe Pa passes PSU lands 4 recruits....one is Curt Warner's son. None of them are major prospects but at this point it all helps.
According to Todd Blackledge Paterno died not of cancer but of a broken heart and because the media is a bunch of meanies.
I agree. Totally.
Quote from: SunMo on January 22, 2012, 01:22:17 PM
there are so many facets of the "grieving" and most are annoying
the worst one is the people who are angry at the media for killing him. seriously, people are saying that.
Quote from: Rome on January 23, 2012, 06:28:52 AM
According to Todd Blackledge Paterno died not of cancer but of a broken heart and because the media is a bunch of meanies.
I agree. Totally.
Spoooooooooon!
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on January 22, 2012, 09:53:05 PM
On the day Joe Pa passes PSU lands 4 recruits....one is Curt Warner's son. None of them are major prospects but at this point it all helps.
the football aspect of losing paterno has been way overshadowed by the kiddie porn goin on up there in the woods....how ridiculous is it that this guy who just died at 85 was an actual major college football coach less than 100 days ago...the secondary scandal was that paterno was allowed to run the penn state program in his state....the best part of his death is that he can no longer ever again have his hand prints on the program.....they can finally move on....
It was time for them to move on for a while now and i agree it is ridiculous a man of his age was running a big time football program....sad really.
They lost another one of their better recruits this weekend in Armani Reeves. He will now decide between OSU and UM. Urban Meyer is cleaning up on the Sandusky scandal.
cant understand why they would ever broadcast a quote on the news from sandusky regarding paternos death.
who the f cares what kind of empathetic statement that guy has to say about anything considering what hes up against? do you think they would have any other child rapist, murderer, scum of the earth, etc. up on quotes regarding someones death? that just seemed really strange to me.
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on January 23, 2012, 11:24:25 AM
It was time for them to move on for a while now and i agree it is ridiculous a man of his age was running a big time football program....sad really.
They lost another one of their better recruits this weekend in Armani Reeves. He will now decide between OSU and UM. Urban Meyer is cleaning up on the Sandusky scandal.
as long as urban meyer is at ohio state they are going to murder penn state in recruiting...the scandal might have hurt on causing these guys to switch but meyer had more to do with it...think of it this way....if meyer is the coach at ohio state when these guys decalred they would have gone tp osu in the first place
Mushy piece on Paterno/Taliaferro situation by Reilly (http://espn.go.com/espn/story/_/id/7492873/rick-reilly-paterno-true-legacy)
This is a little over the top for me, but his summary at the end represents how I've always felt about this situation.
Paterno's anything but a "god" or a "grandfather" or any of that to me, but he seemed to be a pretty rare cat who tried to leave people better off than they were before meeting him - with the one completely epic failure in doing so of course.
I still find it hilarious that ESPN was so harsh in their criticism when they sat on that Syracuse audiotape for years.
Quote from: FastFreddie on January 23, 2012, 04:46:13 PM
Paterno's anything but a "god" or a "grandfather" or any of that to me, but he seemed to be a pretty rare cat who tried to leave people better off than they were before meeting him - with the one completely epic failure in doing so of course.
i wonder how long it took reilly to figure out that paterno did a lot of good things prior to his epic farg up...brilliant analysis of the guys life which ive never heard before
you kinda gotta feel for all the good people in the world who didnt have that one epic failure as they are kinda getting overshadowed here
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 23, 2012, 05:41:33 PM
you kinda gotta feel for all the good people in the world who didnt have that one epic failure as they are kinda getting overshadowed here
Everyone has something very wrong with them. Some people's awful behaviors/deeds never make it to the light of day.
But if you want to believe that there are infallible people out there, have at it.
yeah i dont think most people have had an epic failure in their life on the level of overlooking kiddie rape....but if being that cynical about mankind makes you feel better about joe then do what ya gotta
He had the power to do more to make the truth come to light faster, and he failed to use it. He didn't overlook it and especially didn't cover it up. He definitely Hoydad out, though. That's about it.
he essentially ignored it for nine years (at least)...call it what you want but epic failure sounds right
Whatever works for you.
lol @ and Hoydaing out
you are trying so hard not to be a 22 year old idiot from state college accusing the BOT of murder. just go there already.
John Chaney was a model of integrity.
chaney is one of the greatest human beings of all time. and big reason why is because he farged up at times and didnt cover it up or bury it under a pile of phony gold in the inbred mountains of central pa.
and when he dies im not gonna give a shtein or shed a tear cause i never knew him. met him once or twice, said hey coach at best and thats it. hes not the grandfather i never had in between my 15th kegger of the week at binge drinking u.
shocking that hawk unprovoked would attack a black man
I attacked the most famous coach of the guy who has been riding Penn staters cocks the most. Race has nothing to do with it. Ps igy, you lost our Dallas bet.
People that say things like what IGY just said are the reason why other things with racial undertones (like Tim Thomas skipping out on the white house visit) can be excused as not being racist and just over-reactionary.
I agree the Sandusky quotes should haven't even been publicized. If I was an editor and they crossed my desk I'd bury them. No way would I give that clown any run unless he was getting arrested again, murdered or when he trial starts.
I don't quite get some of the people dancing on Paterno's grave though. Yes he screwed up and but he also greatly impacted the lives of many in a positive way. He was wrong with his inaction of not reporting it appropriately but that doesn't erase his many good deeds.
Quote from: Hawk on January 23, 2012, 08:55:48 PM
I attacked the most famous coach of the guy who has been riding Penn staters cocks the most. Race has nothing to do with it. Ps igy, you lost our Dallas bet.
no you attacked a loud black man as a round about way of trying to let an old white guy who ignored a child rapist for nine years off the hook.....its a classic right winger technique
Quote from: MDS on January 23, 2012, 08:34:58 PM
in between my 15th kegger of the week at binge drinking u.
Every person here with a Penn State degree writes better than you. Maybe you should have either had more to drink or gone to a better school?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2-Tickets-JOE-PATERNO-Memorial-Service-Penn-State-Football-Thurs-Jan-26-/120848575861?pt=US_Tickets_all_in_one&hash=item1c2322ed75#ht_500wt_1156
gotta be fake bids trying to screw the guy right?
I like how Todd is trying to use binge drinking as some sort of insult. What a douche.
yeah i dont really get that either
then again he didnt allow weed and/or alcohol in his college house
he came to a phillies tailgate with us one time and i was lower on beer than i should have been because i accidentily bought some NA johnsons...so naturally i secretly pawned off the NA on him and his boy...both drank it without a clue in the world as to what it was until we were about to leave and one of them saw the can
so they stopped acting drunk when they saw it?
no they didnt act drunk....but they also didnt immediately recognize that it was NA which any even semi experienced drinker would have
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 24, 2012, 12:14:24 PM
no they didnt act drunk....but they also didnt immediately recognize that it was NA which any even semi experienced drinker would have
A semi experienced drinker would never mistakingly buy NA beer in the first place.
you be amazed at how often i purchase the wrong thing.....im a professional at it
Quote from: rjs246 on January 24, 2012, 11:50:59 AM
I like how Todd is trying to use binge drinking as some sort of insult. What a douche.
If you aren't binge drinking and having sex with random women at college what are you doing?
Going to Temple apparently.
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/colleges/penn_state/20120124_PSU_officials__alumni_outraged_at_Paterno_memorial_eBay_sales.html
Quote"I can't tell you how reprehensible I find those kinds of actions," Erickson said at today's Faculty Senate meeting. "We have tried to do everything within our power to stop that, but there are certain legal limitations on what we are allowed to do."
Erickson's outrage was matched by Penn State alums who thought the selling of tickets was disrespectful. A Twitter hashtag of #eBaywatch was created to find any tickets being offered and get them removed, including the clever sort who tried to sell a T-shirt with the tickets included for $99. That too was removed.
I know it's just me because I don't have feelings for Penn State one way or another, but seriously, this guy sounds more upset over someone scalping tickets to a memorial service than anyone did at Sandusky's shenanigans.
Get a farging grip, dipshteins. Jesus...
Seriously.... Who cares? Supply and demand, Rodney.
Quote from: FastFreddie on January 24, 2012, 07:13:34 PM
Seriously.... Who cares? Supply and demand, Rodney.
Tailgating in the parking lot before the ceremony will probably not be encouraged by the administration.
Quote from: Rome on January 24, 2012, 07:48:34 PM
Quote from: FastFreddie on January 24, 2012, 07:13:34 PM
Seriously.... Who cares? Supply and demand, Rodney.
Tailgating in the parking lot before the ceremony will probably not be encouraged by the administration.
Better in the parking lot than in the Lasch Building showers...
lol
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 24, 2012, 12:01:21 PM
yeah i dont really get that either
then again he didnt allow weed and/or alcohol in his college house
he came to a phillies tailgate with us one time and i was lower on beer than i should have been because i accidentily bought some NA johnsons...so naturally i secretly pawned off the NA on him and his boy...both drank it without a clue in the world as to what it was until we were about to leave and one of them saw the can
that story is actually fairly accurate, which is amazing considering the source. all i remember from that game is you saying "finally" when people started booing utley after he finished off another 0-4.
one minor correction though--it was our post-college that house that we didnt want weed in. mostly because of the smell. beer was more than fine.
and to the rest of you i hope your tissues are all cried out. shiva call at my house tomorrow.
weed smells delicious you shtein head.
I seriously didn't think that my opinion of Todd could sink any lower, and yet here we are.
Quote from: MDS on January 25, 2012, 12:11:30 AM
all i remember from that game is you saying "finally" when people started booing utley after he finished off another 0-4.
Wait.....are you saying that you got black out drunk from igy's NA beer?
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 24, 2012, 02:51:16 PM
you be amazed at how often i purchase the wrong thing.....im a professional at it
Thinly veiled excuse for being a taterskins season ticket holder.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on January 25, 2012, 11:36:26 AM
Quote from: MDS on January 25, 2012, 12:11:30 AM
all i remember from that game is you saying "finally" when people started booing utley after he finished off another 0-4.
Wait.....are you saying that you got black out drunk from igy's NA beer?
No I'm an idiot. I can't remember what I did Tuesday, let alone 3 years ago at a baseball game.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 24, 2012, 07:21:31 AM
Quote from: Hawk on January 23, 2012, 08:55:48 PM
I attacked the most famous coach of the guy who has been riding Penn staters cocks the most. Race has nothing to do with it. Ps igy, you lost our Dallas bet.
no you attacked a loud black man as a round about way of trying to let an old white guy who ignored a child rapist for nine years off the hook.....its a classic right winger technique
Chaney sent a kid into a game to try and injure St Joes players. Class act. Your attitude towards middle America is much more discriminatory. You still loss the bet though.
lol @ a kid
he sent a 22 year old full grown man into a game and told him to get beat the shtein out of a 22 year old baby named jon bryant. this shtein happens all the farging time in high school football. it wasnt meant to tear his acl, it was meant to send a message and farg some guy up because martelli and his band of losers were setting illegal screens.
the biggest problem was chaney saying he sent in a goon after the game. if he doesnt say anything you never know who nehamiah ingram is.
Since were talking John Chaney:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51-4sJTf7iQ
You really are the worst reporter of all time. Bryan ^-^t broke his ARM. Dirty tactics by a dirty coach.
big farging deal, it was a little scrape
if youre just doing this to rile me up then its fine. if you honestly dont like chaney or think hes dirty and not the philliest motherfarger on the planet then you need to die. now.
I love seeing Todd catch feelins over Chaney while desperately trying to mock Penn Staters of any ilk. To say its a glimpse into his underlying issues would be an understatement. Too good.
one was a godly awesome tough as nails inner city hoops coach who told it like it is, had one of the greatest personalities of all time and was a purely philly as anything ever could be. he also had the common sense to step away when it was clearly time to do so.
the other was an old phony italian man who followed the pathetically corrupt ncaa guidelines like it was the bible and was worshiped by weird old men from central pa. oh by the way he also totally looked the other way while a child rapist diddled 8 years old in their iceholes for 12 years.
WE ARE...misguided.
I'm sure Chaney has his skeletons in the closet too. Everyone does. He was smart/lucky enough to retire before they were exposed.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on January 26, 2012, 12:14:16 AM
I'm sure Chaney has his skeletons in the closet too. Everyone does. He was smart/lucky enough to retire before they were exposed.
the lil guy is an idiot for the way he attacks paterno and is as bad as the people that blindly defend him but this is the worst defense/excuse ever
NO not everyone has a skeleton in the closet...but even if some people do very few of them have one that compares to ignoring kiddie rape
Did he really "ignore" it? Does that word fit here?
Would just like a better explanation of that if you're willing to do it sans the hippo bit. If not, don't bother.
Quote
STATE COLLEGE, PA—As thousands of mourners gathered at Penn State's campus spiritual center Wednesday afternoon to say their farewells to Joe Paterno, former assistant coach Jerry Sandusky took the opportunity to express his "deep, everlasting gratitude" for everything his late mentor had done for him.
"When I think of how much of my life I owe to Joe Paterno, I don't even know where to begin," said Sandusky, who confessed to feeling "overcome" while attending the former football coach's funeral. "I think it's safe to say I wouldn't have been able to lead the life I've led, wouldn't have grown into the man I've become, if it hadn't been for his leadership. I can't even begin to imagine what would have become of me if not for Joe Paterno."
"Truly, he gave me a place where I could reach my full potential—not just as a coach, but as a man," continued Sandusky, his voice cracking. "So many of my accomplishments would not have been possible without him and the unique atmosphere he created at Penn State."
Paterno and Sandusky enjoyed a relationship stretching back almost 50 years, with each helping the other to pursue his passion. Sandusky said that while it was true the two men harbored different dreams, aspirations, and desires, Paterno was careful never to stand in his way. In fact, he affirmed, Paterno's wholehearted attention to the overall success and reputation of Penn State football allowed Sandusky to focus on building his own legacy at Happy Valley, where he was always able to go after what he wanted most.
"How many people honestly get to fulfill their very deepest desires in life?" Sandusky said. "Let alone fulfill those desires over and over again, year in and year out, day after day, for decades? That's the kind of life Joe allowed me to live."
Sandusky added, "I owe it all to the tradition he established at Penn State University."
Although Sandusky said he "cherished the freedom he was allowed" under Paterno, he admitted there was never any question as to who was ultimately in charge of and responsible for the football program.
"Make no mistake—Joe would give you free rein, but he always knew exactly what was going on in State College," said Sandusky, grinning slightly at the memory of his friend and colleague. "He had ways of letting us know that as long as we weren't interfering with Nittany Lion football, we could do our own thing and let him worry about the big picture."
"I could not have asked for a more perfect boss," Sandusky added tearfully.
Under the legendary head coach, 67-year-old Sandusky established a charitable organization called the Second Mile, which allowed him to bring thousands of underprivileged and at-risk youths to campus, introducing them to all aspects of the Penn State tradition. Paterno served Second Mile for years as one of the program's biggest fundraisers, thereby single-handedly helping Sandusky's involvement in the lives of as many children as possible.
"Life is about more than just football—it's also about being active in the community," Sandusky said before speaking at length about the particular vulnerabilities of children, and going into great detail about how badly young boys need strong, confident figures in their lives. "I remember how much Joe cared about the image of Penn State football, and how determined he was to protect that image within this community."
"I'll tell you this from the depths of my soul: Joe Paterno could do no wrong in my book," he added. "And I believe he wanted people to think the same of me."
After stepping away from the program in 1999, Sandusky was given an emeritus position with the Nittany Lions that included an office and unrestricted access to recreation rooms, showers, and other athletic facilities, a privilege Sandusky admitted he "wouldn't have known what to do without."
"This was a man who looked out for his program, but at the end of the day, he was very much aware that a program is its people," Sandusky said of Paterno. "He knew that taking care of the program meant taking care of me. Sure, we had our tough times, but some things are bigger than football—like friendship, and the legacy you hope to leave behind."
With Paterno's passing now closing the final chapter in their relationship, Sandusky said he can't help but smile when he reflects back on their tenure together at Penn State.
"I had years of great times at Penn State," Sandusky said
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Ok, that is truly nauseating. Both the read and the pic.
I'm enraged. Stop quoting that farging piece of shtein.
The only question that should ever be asked to this guy by any reporter over and over and over is did you rape those kids? That's it... nothing else until he farging cracks into tiny pieces.
Loser.
It's from the Onion. Makes more sense now.
i was gonna say where the farg is that from....
is that pic for realises? did he really show up at that fakakta funeral?
How mad are Todd and igy that the memorial service is on tv.
why would anyone be mad at that....im not mad at joe...im sickened by the cult of penn state
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 26, 2012, 02:28:38 PM
why would anyone be mad at that....im not mad at joe...im sickened by the cult of penn state
same, and this is what people cant understand
the school is a run of the mill state school. paterno was a fine coach who won a bunch of games but didnt know how to quit.
its the people who went to the school and live around there who think of paterno as a saint. its the whole scene and lifestyle up there that brought people, paterno, spangler, whatever, to think that protecting the good name of penn st football was more important than protecting children from a disgusting rapist.
its the thought that paterno and winning zesty football games means more than it actually does--nothing. joe is not penn st. penn st is penn st. its a state school in one of the most populated states in the country. people are going to go there and get a sufficient education.
Quote from: MDS on January 26, 2012, 02:35:57 PM
people are going to go there and get a sufficient education.
Yes, agreed!
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 26, 2012, 02:28:38 PM
im not mad at joe...
So, you support "ignoring" man-on-child rape?
no im not mad at that
now i wouldnt do what you and your cult do and
make excuses for
minimize the actions
or worship at the alter
of someone who ignored kiddie rape...then for the better part of the next decade continued to befriend a kiddie rapist...have him over for dinner...allow a kiddie rapist to continue to use the facilties in which he raped kids....invite a kiddie rapist to come my practices games and team hotels all with kids in tow...
but does it make me mad???...no
truth be told im not even mad at sandusky...hes a sick farg but it doesnt effect me in the least
again the actions up there are all horrible but bad shtein happens everyday around the world that doesnt make me mad
its the cult mentality of people who defend a man they dont even know simply because they went to a college or they root for a football team...paterno at least knew sandusky and was the king of penn state so i can understand his epic failures because he was trying to defend his kingdom and a friend
but the rest of you have no reason whatsoever to defend paternos actions and that is almost sicker than the people up there
Quote from: MDS on January 26, 2012, 02:35:57 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 26, 2012, 02:28:38 PM
why would anyone be mad at that....im not mad at joe...im sickened by the cult of penn state
same, and this is what people cant understand
the school is a run of the mill state school. paterno was a fine coach who won a bunch of games but didnt know how to quit.
its the people who went to the school and live around there who think of paterno as a saint. its the whole scene and lifestyle up there that brought people, paterno, spangler, whatever, to think that protecting the good name of penn st football was more important than protecting children from a disgusting rapist.
its the thought that paterno and winning zesty football games means more than it actually does--nothing. joe is not penn st. penn st is penn st. its a state school in one of the most populated states in the country. people are going to go there and get a sufficient education.
Check out all the people lined up along the streets to say goodbye:
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/colleges/penn_state/Saying_goodbye_to_JoePa.html?cmpid=131298129
And here you can check out live video footage of the service!
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/Joe_Paterno_Legacy.html?cmpid=125219969
Like I said, I have more of an issue with Boeheim and ESPN choosing to ignore an audiotape of the wife of the coach admitting he touched kids then I do with Joepa's involvement with the psu situation.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 26, 2012, 03:08:56 PM
no im not mad at that
now i wouldnt do what you and your cult do and
make excuses for
minimize the actions
or worship at the alter
of someone who ignored kiddie rape...then for the better part of the next decade continued to befriend a kiddie rapist...have him over for dinner...allow a kiddie rapist to continue to use the facilties in which he raped kids....invite a kiddie rapist to come my practices games and team hotels all with kids in tow...
but does it make me mad???...no
truth be told im not even mad at sandusky...hes a sick farg but it doesnt effect me in the least
again the actions up there are all horrible but bad shtein happens everyday around the world that doesnt make me mad
its the cult mentality of people who defend a man they dont even know simply because they went to a college or they root for a football team...paterno at least knew sandusky and was the king of penn state so i can understand his epic failures because he was trying to defend his kingdom and a friend
but the rest of you have no reason whatsoever to defend paternos actions and that is almost sicker than the people up there
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Ha
i obviously have a lot of penn state friends and the percentage of them that fall into the psu cult category is maybe 1-2 out of 10. that's still probably higher than other schools but believe it or not most are normal people like me who love the school but aren't nutjobs about it. most penn state alums don't post their feelings on the entire situation on facebook or message boards, but there are so many of us (psu alums) that the small percentage of weirdos that do get us all grouped together.
thats because they are removed from the cult
most people who can get away from it dont really get too carried away with it (FF not included).
the people who still go there, live there or live around there are the ones who make everyone else look bad. and phil knight.
phil knight took shots at the university and the BOT in his speech at the funeral today. seems like an appropriate time.
Did he also take shots at the media because they obviously killed him, not the cancer or just plain old ass age.
Quote from: MDS on January 26, 2012, 05:33:07 PM
the people who still go there, live there or live around there are the ones who make everyone else look bad. and phil knight.
not true...go to some penn state message boards...its like 30-1 people who think joe did everything he could...and yes the internet skews younger but the majority have graduated and there are a fair share of elders...its also true that the internet probably attracts more morons than most other places and that if you polled random penn staters the numbers wouldnt be that drastic but the idiocy is not just limited to current students and pennsyltucky residents
Quote from: SunMo on January 26, 2012, 05:39:17 PM
phil knight took shots at the university and the BOT in his speech at the funeral today. seems like an appropriate time.
and got the longest claps in the history of clapping.
http://www.myfoxphilly.com/dpp/news/local_news/knight-rips-trustees-at-paterno-memorial (http://www.myfoxphilly.com/dpp/news/local_news/knight-rips-trustees-at-paterno-memorial)
Quote from: MDS on January 26, 2012, 05:33:07 PM
most people who can get away from it dont really get too carried away with it (FF not included)
Let it go, Brownsville. I will gladly play devils advocate to the IGY/MDS sideshow act, but that's about it. "Reality" can be a funny thing for those of us who actually live in it.
http://youtu.be/YEa-QUds-PA
this is some powerful shtein...
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/01/22/1057341/-F
joe did everything he could to stop that
Since you guys can't stop circle-jerking, I'm going to change the thread title to make it official.
lol yea, lets stop talking about that. lets talk about penn states upcoming recruiting class and debate whats the best kind of offense for bill o'brien to install.
OR NOT
I'll consider this a science experiment to see how long you keep going with no one arguing against you.
Have fun.
Anyone who would argue with him has him on ignore.
Did you know Peter Parker was once touched by an older boy in an issue of Amazing Spiderman
Quote from: Hawk on January 27, 2012, 02:52:12 PM
Did you know Peter Parker was once touched by an older boy in an issue of Amazing Spiderman
It's all Joe Paterno's fault.
Marty's kid didn't want to be a safety, so he's heading to Florida instead
check out this gem at the bottom of the sklyer mornhinwig story
QuoteFollowing that visit, the Nittany Lions received a commitment from Cairo (Ga.) High quarterback Steven Bench, a three-star prospect by Rivals.com who had previously committed to Rice.
psu stealing unwanted sec territory recruits who had to settle on rice (easily the lowest of the d1 texas schools). theres the big 10 title move. how do they even have a spot for this kid? how bad is their recruiting class?
his resume sounds suspect for sure but i think bench is gonna be a monster if they can surround him with a decent supporting cast
hes in the middle of georgia and no sec school wanted him, not even has a buckup. tech or fsu or any acc school passed. so he went to rice where he was going to win 4 games in his career, but changed at the last minute to psu simply because rice is a cesspool.
and lol @ surrounding him with talent. jeremy blooms dont grow on trees.
you watch.....the kid is a talent...
and if bob is the qb groomer he says he is that plus the spread offense he is gonna run predicts well for young johnny
$50 says he is a nonfactor
lol...you love making bets that cant be won or lost
Oh no.doubt
But I also love taking advantage of drunk people. So let's do this
me at my most blacked out is still more coherent than you writing.....writing anything
speaking of im not that far away from daylight
Supposedly Bench wasn't a higher rated prospect because up until his senior year when he transferred he was running a wing-t offense.
If you watch his film the kid definitely has talent and at this point the way the QB play is up there they should take anything they can get.
They already have two QBs from VA next year that are very interested in them. Next years recruiting class for QBs in the northeast is absolutely loaded.
Phil Groz:
QuoteConfirmed the following information from three different sources on campus.
In July Joe Paterno informed Penn State's athletic director, Tim Curley, and Penn State president, Graham Spanier, that the 2011 season would be his last as Penn State's head football coach.
At that same time I was told Paterno gave Penn State four names of individuals he felt were qualified to replace him.
Those four individuals were Urban Meyer, Greg Schiano, Chris Peterson and the biggest surprise of all Mike Riley the head coach at Oregon State.
I was also told and it was confirmed to me by two of those contacts, that my report was accurate I stated back in August a verbal agreement had been reached by Penn State with Urban Meyer and that Meyer was set to be named as Penn State's 15th head football coach when Paterno retired at the end of the 2011 season.
lol sandusky really blew this shtein up
I also read that he still may have came to PSU except they handled the whole situation so poorly. Either way it really doesn't matter now.
By the way Kevin Newsome decided to go to Temple today.
At least JoePa didn't put Sandusky on the list.
QuoteSmall forward Brandon Austin just committed to Penn State. Offers from Nova, Cuse, Georgetown, Tennessee. Rated 93 on ESPN.
Saw this on twitter, seams like kids actually like Pat Chambers.
They just landed their first recruit for 2012 QB Christian Hackenburg. He is a 4 star.
Just got another Rivals250 recruit tonight Ross Douglas a 4 star corner from Ohio. Supposedly another kid will be committing soon due to the Hackenburg commitment.
Got the #1 TE inthe country tonight he is a 5 star. I don't know what OB is selling these kids but its working!
they will lose to temple in one of the next set of 3 games they have
maybe 2
BOOK IT
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on March 09, 2012, 11:27:51 PM
Got the #1 TE inthe country tonight he is a 5 star. I don't know what OB is selling these kids but its working!
he's actually going out and talking to the recruits, which is more than paterno did the past 10 years
The stars were aligned for this kid. Hell, it could be argued that Dave Joyner picked the most TE-friendly coach he could in hopes of making sure Breneman stayed in state.
I think the last time Paterno sat on a couch and spouted recruiting jargon was the Big Ten network "Come to Penn State!" commercial filming.
Quote from: SunMo on March 10, 2012, 06:16:26 AM
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on March 09, 2012, 11:27:51 PM
Got the #1 TE inthe country tonight he is a 5 star. I don't know what OB is selling these kids but its working!
he's actually going out and talking to the recruits, which is more than paterno did the past 10 years
truth...i believe pryor is the only living room he was in in the last five or six years....antonio logan el before that i think
but the gronk hernandez thing certainly played a huge part
now lets see if ob can get a brady to throw to this punk
There is no doubt that the coach actually going out and recruiting makes a difference. I am just surprised with the scandal that they are already getting top talent. They have four kids already and they are all top recruits.
And IGY hopefully Hackenburg is the Brady.
In college, Brady wasn't even Brady.
Landed stud DT Greg Webb from NJ today and actually turned down his teammate a 4 star DE.
Sara Ganim, a reporter for a Harrisburg newspaper, won a Pulitzer for her work on the Sandusky case. She's 24 years old.
YOUR MOVE, TODD.
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 16, 2012, 04:38:21 PM
Sara Ganim, a reporter for a Harrisburg newspaper, won a Pulitzer for her work on the Sandusky case. She's 24 years old.
YOUR MOVE, TODD.
LOL
I'm a finalist for a job covering Jackson State football
Check. Mate.
Quote from: MDS on April 16, 2012, 05:46:09 PM
I'm a finalist for a job covering Jackson State football
Check. Mate.
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lol
if it happens ima need ma boi hawk to holla at his kkk homies. gotta make some buddies.
Reason # 1 billion why Rich Kotite needs to die in an oven:
I was at a wedding reception when that motherfarger was picked and we were watching it live on tv as it happened. Kotite was beside himself on ESPN saying how great he was and how he played with a nasty streak.
Then the piece of shtein held out and was all but useless for the rest of his miserable career.
Kotite was smug, clueless, arrogant and absolutely the most overmatched head coach in Eagles history. Die, die, die.
I was at WCU for camp the summer of '94 and while the team was practicing there was Lester Holmes in shorts and a tshirt running the hills next to the practice fields.
Quote from: Rome on April 16, 2012, 07:27:35 PM
Reason # 1 billion why Rich Kotite needs to die in an oven:
I was at a wedding reception when that motherfarger was picked and we were watching it live on tv as it happened. Kotite was beside himself on ESPN saying how great he was and how he played with a nasty streak.
Then the piece of shtein held out and was all but useless for the rest of his miserable career.
Kotite was smug, clueless, arrogant and absolutely the most overmatched head coach in Eagles history. Die, die, die.
kotite was an ass of epic porportions but had next to nothing to do with PP....harry gamble made the draft picks
Lurie did an interview 5-10 years ago and talked about his first few years with the Eagles. He said the first year he was the owner he showed up draft weekend expecting the coaches and front office to be huddled in a room somewhere preparing their picks. Instead there was nobody there...he said the coaches/front office sort of winged it draft day [no surprise there] and that was one of the big factors of him making a change.
That explains the Jon Harris pick.
just before lurie it is was all harry gamble...the big problem was in the early 90's when their scouting dept became woefully understaffed and underfunded...then in 93 director of PP joe woolley was fired for essentially insubordination...woolley was an excellent PP guy who played a huge role in putting together the buddy teams
semi related random fact: harry gambles son tom is the architect of the current 49ers team
http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/McQueary-Plans-to-Sue-Penn-State--150678255.html?8472
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leaving the courthouse yesterday...
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what, me worry?
i laughed.
http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8082083/penn-state-nittany-lions-jerry-sandusky-accused-sexual-abuse-adopted-son
They need to just put a bullet in his head, the longer this goes on the more stories like this we're going to hear.
Verdict is in...will be announced within the hour.
51 witnesses? That must have been just wonderful to be a jury member and have to listen to all the graphic details. Fry the farger.
45 guilty
3 not guilty
14 first degree felonies
FOUR HUNDRED AND FORTY TWO YEARS SENTENCE
Not guilty for endangering the welfare of children? WTF?
OJ wins again
Live perp walk of him getting led out in cuffs.
O/U on how long he lasts before he dies (whether by suicide or illness) = 2.5yrs
Great day for the American justice system.
ill go over 50 bucks ok deal
I'll take the under for $20
This snarky exchange reminds me of a wedding I once attended with a friend. We took bets on how long the marriage would last. A few months later, the groom was crying to us about his marriage, and, unbeknownst to him of course, getting very different advice from us based solely on our bet. We laid it on thick. I think the bet was five dollars.
I lost that bet, as I will probably lose this one too. But if I don't bet, then I don't lose, and if I don't lose, then I can't send someone these awesome Eagles presents people have given me.
I know for a fact I'm buzzed but wtf?
where is FF
i hope paterno gets another eternity in hell for covering up "jer"
only this schmuck would come out of a courthouse giggling and cracking jokes after getting crushed....but I guess you can do that knowing you just made bank on a knowingly lost cause.
http://www.sbnation.com/ncaa-football/2012/6/22/3111939/joe-amendola-somebody-cute-video/in/2304037 (http://www.sbnation.com/ncaa-football/2012/6/22/3111939/joe-amendola-somebody-cute-video/in/2304037)
What a colossal douchebag. Make him share a cell with Sandusky and a bar of soap.
I wonder if he'll be giggling when some Aryan is raping his icehole with a pipe?
we all knew sandusky was going down
ummmmm if by we you are discounting half the state of pennsylvania that worshiped the shrine of an old dago
Is Todd really trying to troll that Paterno supporters were also Sandusky supporters?
Wow.
Quote from: MDS on June 23, 2012, 12:31:41 PM
ummmmm if by we you are discounting half the state of pennsylvania that worshiped the shrine of an old dago
settle down skippy.....it was a pun for romey
im just wondering where all the people who were sobbing when paterno got fired and then died (lol) are now.
are they all going to be at the first game in august and are we just supposed to pretend none of this happened? is it a new day in baltimore, mayor carcetti?
Gonna have to change the bait on that line if you want to catch any fishies.
On a positive note one of the top OL in the country Dorian Johnson just committed tonight.
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From "What, me worry?" to, "Oh shtein, I'm going to jail for the rest of my miserable life."
I assume most of you have seen it since the news is a day old, but CNN has been reporting (http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/30/justice/penn-state-emails/index.html) on the contents of the emails that Penn State officials sent to each other back in 2001 when they decided to cover up Sandusky's child abuse. Good ol' Joe doesn't come out looking so good. At one point, there's a three-part plan to tell Sandusky to stop farging kids in the shower, inform Second Mile, and inform the state child welfare agencies.
QuoteBut then, something changes.
The next evening, February 27, Curley allegedly writes to Spanier; Schultz, who's out of the office for two weeks, is copied.
Curley refers to a meeting scheduled that day with Spanier and indicates they apparently discussed the Sandusky incident two days earlier.
Curley indicates he no longer wants to contact child welfare authorities just yet. He refers to a conversation the day before with Paterno. It's not known what Paterno may have said to Curley.
Curley allegedly writes: "After giving it more thought and talking it over with Joe yesterday, I am uncomfortable with what we agreed were the next steps."
Spanier decides to "humanely" trust Jerry to stop raping. The only "downside" would be if Jerry keeps raping, and then a bunch of people find out there was a cover-up. Oops.
Quote"The only downside for us is if the message (to Sandusky) isn't 'heard' and acted upon, and we then become vulnerable for not having reported it," Spanier purportedly writes.
"But that can be assessed down the road. The approach you outline is humane and a reasonable way to proceed," he adds.
be prepared for ff to call you a hippo
Nah, I've errands to run.
it's flabbergasting that people in such high profile positions could make such clueless decisions.
It's mind boggling!
it also boggles the mind
Graham Spanier is basically the immaculate combination of bureaucrat, academic, elitist, and douche. It seems very odd to me that he isn't being charged with anything. Maybe that will change, which wouldn't be too mind-boggling.
Deadspin considers the possibility that Paterno was completely innocent. (http://deadspin.com/5923000/what-if-joe-paterno-was-innocent-hypothetical-dialogues-from-a-dark-time-at-penn-state)
Freeh report, 9am Thursday. Should be interesting.
interesting how?
interesting when they have to take down the statue of that fraud paterno?
The statue is historically inaccurate, as he never ran on the field holding up a #1 on his finger - occasionally holding up a fist, however.
I'm sure that's why it's fraudulent, yes?
Quote from: FastFreddie on July 10, 2012, 05:51:25 PM
The statue is historically inaccurate, as he never ran on the field holding up a #1 on his finger - occasionally holding up a fist, however.
I'm sure that's why it's fraudulent, yes?
Temple will always have an inferiority complex when it comes to Penn State.
not even close
we are in philly and therefore better than a insulated community in the MA mountains of PA that revolves around a mediocre football team
but yes psu football >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> temple football and because of that i will always hate them. you punch up. its the reason the nationals hate the phillies even though the phillies dont care about the nationals. until they lose to them. like this year. wink, wink.
nm
Early reports are that Joe was holding kids down while Sandusky farged them. Sad :(
I laughed.
http://onwardstate.com/2012/07/10/paterno-family-releases-statement-on-freeh-report/
QuoteTo this point, Joe Paterno is the only person who publicly acknowledged that with the benefit of hindsight he wished he had done more. This was an honest and courageous admission that a true leader must assume a measure of responsibility when something goes wrong on his watch.
The Paterno family is doing as masterful a job with the press as Joe Amendola was.
(If you are slow on the uptake, I'm saying that they should shut up.)
that statue may not make it thru the weekend
Quote"The evidence shows that these four men also knew about a 1998 criminal
investigation of Sandusky relating to suspected sexual misconduct with a young boy in
a Penn State football locker room shower. Again, they showed no concern about that
victim. The evidence shows that Mr. Paterno was made aware of the 1998 investigation
of Sandusky, followed it closely, but failed to take any action, even though Sandusky
had been a key member of his coaching staff for almost 30 years, and had an office just
steps away from Mr. Paterno's."
"Based on the evidence, the only known, intervening factor between the decision
made on February 25, 2001 by Messrs. Spanier, Curley and Schulz to report the
incident to the Department of Public Welfare, and then agreeing not to do so on
February 27th, was Mr. Paterno's February 26th conversation with Mr. Curley."
Pretty much as damning as possible. Statue has to come down. Fans and alums have to realize his abject failure.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 13, 2012, 11:16:28 AM
the horsing around comment is spin as part of the cover up...ginger has said he told joe exactly what he saw
and dont believe for a second that joe didnt at least hear about if not help cover up the incident that came to light in 1998
and while there is no evidence of joe knowing about any other claims against sandusky i personally find it inconcievable that in the 30 years they spent together that there wasnt a single other time where there wasnt rumblings or talk about sandusky and kids...whether it be locker room chatter...rumor mongering...whispers at a local bar...or even a parent bringing forth concerns
Freeh is murdering all 4, as he should.
Louis Freeh, the former FBI director who led the Penn State-funded probe, said in remarks released Thursday that former athletic director Tim Curley consulted with former head coach Joe Paterno following sex abuse allegations against Jerry Sandusky and "they changed the plan and decided not to make a report to the authorities."
black and white, right there.
good bye legacy
if he hadn't of died he would have died in jail after being convicted of perjury
Indeed he would. No clue why he and Spanier were not charged in the first place based on this report.
I bet on the wrong horse here. The crow doesn't taste very good.
I can't imagine how you PSU alum must be feeling now...I grew up rooting for them and loving JoePa, and even as just a fan, I know I'll NEVER look at the program the same way again. This has to be the most incredible sports story since the OJ trial.
It's a kick in the the dick, no doubt. But anyone who's surprised by this had some serious blinders on.
I'm much more disappointed than surprised.
Oh well, he's dead. Time for Bill "Butt Chin" O'Brien to begin a new chapter that doesn't end with molested children.
Quote from: FastFreddie on July 12, 2012, 11:18:16 AM
I'm much more disappointed than surprised.
Oh well, he's dead. Time for Bill "Butt Chin" O'Brien to begin a new chapter that doesn't end with molested children.
Pretty much.
How do you suspend a player prior to a bowl game for accepting a suit from an agent and not report a child molestor because he's your buddy.
Do they take the statue down now?
I dont see how they can't. If for nothing else, to show that they are at least now trying to do the right thing.
Quote from: SD on July 12, 2012, 11:36:50 AM
Quote from: FastFreddie on July 12, 2012, 11:18:16 AM
I'm much more disappointed than surprised.
Oh well, he's dead. Time for Bill "Butt Chin" O'Brien to begin a new chapter that doesn't end with molested children.
Pretty much.
How do you suspend a player prior to a bowl game for accepting a suit from an agent and not report a child molestor because he's your buddy.
Do they take the statue down now?
Not that it makes it any better, but I think it was less about Sandusky being his buddy and more about protecting the football program.
Quote from: SD on July 12, 2012, 11:36:50 AM
How do you suspend a player prior to a bowl game for accepting a suit from an agent and not report a child molestor because he's your buddy.
It's easy to make a small example of a small issue. Confronting something this big and awful is not even on the same planet. It isn't the same universe. The capacity to handle small things with a rigorous set of rules and personal moral fortitude is commendable, but ultimately pretty easy if you put your mind to it. Most people will never have to face something of the magnitude of being told that your co-worker and co-icon is a child molester so most people get to feel good about themselves and their unchallenged moral standing.
Joe was faced with a bigger test than most people will ever be faced with and he farging failed. Sucks that that will undo his legacy of all the smaller, but commendable, actions he took over the year, but that's the way it is.
Quote from: DH on July 12, 2012, 11:41:17 AM
I dont see how they can't. If for nothing else, to show that they are at least now trying to do the right thing.
Someone understands public relations and marketing, especially as it relates to institutions of higher education and the sports teams within them.
On his deathbed:
JOE: Father, has my family left?
PRIEST: Yes, Joe. It's just you and me now.
JOE: There's something I need to confess, but first, how good are at you keeping child rape a secret?
PRIEST: God, you're a fleshpop.
JOE: Haha! Gotcha. But, seriously though, I knew about Jerry the whole time. *croaks*
FF = Namond after he tore up Prez's class
It takes a man to admit when he's wrong.
anyone think it's weird that jay paterno calls his dad joe?
Right now I think the whole Paterno clan is weird.
Quote from: phattymatty on July 13, 2012, 12:24:45 AM
anyone think it's weird that jay paterno calls his dad joe?
The story is that they didn't want him to address Joe any differently than the other football coaches. To avoid misstepping on something so "vitally important," he just called him Joe all the time.
Now that the apologist conspiracy theorists have had time to read the Freeh report in whole, they are giving ammo to the Paterno family. The only thing that makes any sense is the 1998 email with subject line "Jerry," which explains that "Coach" really wants to know "where this stands." It is at least as likely that "Coach" is actually Sandusky, and Paterno isn't even mentioned. This is the only explanation as to why Joe was not also charged with perjury.
To be clear I believe that the Paterno family and other apologists are proving the problem with their current actions. If Joe Paterno was such a good guy who didn't actively cover this up, he certainly wouldn't want the university to suffer after his death due to people trying so damn hard to justify their hero worship of him. So, really, I just don't care about Joe Paterno at all anymore. If the statue comes down, his name is removed from everything, and he is posthumously given a death sentence; but it stops even one kid from getting molested... Small price to pay.
Seriously. People need to adjust their priorities here.
he called him dad in the post death interviews he gave...im thinking "joe" is the guy who facilitated child rape and "dad" is his father
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that is fanfargingtastic
(http://www.camaro5.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=395456&d=1341782400)
Reports indicate that Graham Spanier will indeed be facing charges.
can they put joe pas corpse in jail?
Sandusky prefers them a bit younger.
reilly gets real
http://espn.go.com/espn/story/_/id/8162972/joe-paterno-true-legacy
That's the first Reilly piece I've read since before you started shteinting all over this messageboard, and it only re-affirms that he is a hack. I wrote better than that in high school.
lol....hes arguably the best sportswriter of all time
stick to talking about eastern european authors who write in tongues so you can claim faux intelligence...digging ditches in your real life doesnt mean you have to use the rest of your time on earth telling the world that you are some sort of psuedo intellecutal
its painfully transparent and frankly isnt becoming in the least
He sucks. The super short refrain to which the writer returns throughout his essay might work for sports readers and mid-grade college application essays, but that's about it.
My pseudo-intellectualism notwithstanding, I've got both of you over a barrel and I'm beating your white asses bloodly without breaking a sweat.
I'm smart like that.
Quote from: Diomedes on July 13, 2012, 09:42:15 PM
He sucks. The super short refrain to which the writer returns throughout his essay might work for sports readers and mid-grade college application essays, but that's about it.
precisely my point...thanks for pointing it out but we all know sportswriters arent shakespeare...thus you dont need to use them to robust your perceived intellectualism...this is a sports board and no one is impressed
jesus you must be a favorite in the ditch with the guys....luckily for them they all speak spanish and cant understand what you are saying
They love me. I'm the only white guy they know who works.
Sports writing is, sadly, for idiots. Most of it anyway. To be the best of the bunch isn't saying much. And Reilly is not the best.
He's a hack. And you're an entertainment magazine reading wilfully non-intellectual knee-jerk liberal, the exact opposite side of the MA coin you so revile. There isn't a shred, even a pseudo shred, of curiosity in your soul. To you, Reilly would be great.
He's not. He sucks. So do you.
Q.E.D.
i threw up in spanier's front yard in college. not that i ever felt bad but now i feel good.
Quote from: Diomedes on July 13, 2012, 09:57:06 PM
They love me. I'm the only white guy they know who works.
Sports writing is, sadly, for idiots. Most of it anyway. To be the best of the bunch isn't saying much. And Reilly is not the best.
He's a hack. And you're an entertainment magazine reading wilfully non-intellectual knee-jerk liberal, the exact opposite side of the MA coin you so revile. There isn't a shred, even a pseudo shred, of curiosity in your soul. To you, Reilly would be great.
He's not. He sucks. So do you.
Q.E.D.
holy shtein im a sports fan....what was i ever thinking admitting that!?!?!?
difference is i know what i am and dont supress it....you are a racist one minute....a 99%er the next...day after tomorrow a hipster...a wannabe college professor on the weekend...then a working class ditch digger when it suits...
get your shtein straight chief
Rick Reilly sucks.
He may have been good once upon a time but he's been mailing it in for about fifteen years.
he sucks why?
show me a article hes written recently and one from 15 years ago and tell me why the current piece sucks
you cant because hes the same as hes ever been....which is really farging good...people who dont like him now hate him because he works for espn and everyone has to hate espn now....or in general they dont like the tv stuff he does for espn because he comes off as a douche...but as far as a sports writer he is fantastic...
Go back to his SI days before he left for ESPN and read the slop he'd write for the back page. Garbage.
Early on in his SI days as a feature guy and long form writing he was good.
Later SI days and all days with ESPN have been tripe.
i figured it was an espn thing....let your hatred for that go and his shtein becomes as good as ever
you have to pretend youve never seen him on tv
OMFG We're still talking about Rick farging Reilly?
Dude....JoPa harbored a child rapist.
nevermind Rick Reilly. He's irrelevant.
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 13, 2012, 10:48:11 PM
i figured it was an espn thing....let your hatred for that go and his shtein becomes as good as ever
you have to pretend youve never seen him on tv
No its not an ESPN thing. Read what I wrote - he was bad in his final days at SI too.
can i have an example of a terrible piece by him in his last days at si?
No because I am not going to dig out my old SI's just to give you a date/issue. Just go look when he started at ESPN and then read his SI stuff before he left.
i think his stuff is still good so thats not gonna work....i was looking for a written example of his fall off from si to espn since hes so farging awful now
Quote from: phattymatty on July 13, 2012, 10:04:18 PM
i threw up in spanier's front yard in college. not that i ever felt bad but now i feel good.
Lol
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 14, 2012, 12:01:48 AM
i think his stuff is still good so thats not gonna work....i was looking for a written example of his fall off from si to espn since hes so farging awful now
http://deadspin.com/5616000/rick-reilly-writes-column-a-lot-like-other-rick-reilly-column
omg some website that cant string together sentences said someone else sucks...color me a believer!!
hes a farging lazy hack
you can dig his columns about some 12 year with cancer who still plays golf or something but theres tons of proof of him mailing in work and copying off of himself from earlier work.
deadspin in 2010 was a disgrace but its actually very good now since daulerio is gone. the takedown of lynn hoppes earlier this week was superb.
the irony here is to delicious to even describe
why oh why couldnt you have been a disadvantaged fatherless 12 year old in 2003 who enrolled in the second mile
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 14, 2012, 12:31:01 AM
the irony here is to delicious to even describe
To delicious indeed.
lol
i think reily is an overwrought overdramatic douchebag, especially on tv. but that article was a good one
NYTimes just dropped the hammer on paterno and his money grubbing family
Fraudpa
Guessing you're talking about this one.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/14/sports/ncaafootball/joe-paterno-got-richer-contract-amid-jerry-sandusky-inquiry.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1&hp
The family is really coming off like scum. The guy allowed a child rapist to operate for over a decade and they're worried about having a suite for the next 25 years or if his wife can use the farging gym?
Curious as to what everybody thinks about the "death penalty" talk? To me if the NCAA gets involved that is pandora's box they are opening.
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on July 14, 2012, 01:50:06 PM
Curious as to what everybody thinks about the "death penalty" talk? To me if the NCAA gets involved that is pandora's box they are opening.
Initially I was against it because I felt that it was a punishment reserved for NCAA violations. But the fact that this was known about by so many people and covered up for so long, I can't think anything less than the death penalty is acceptable. Sucks for the players because they had nothing to do with it, but this was an institutional cover up.
Then they should suspend all sports because it wasn't just to protect the football program.
Not sure I'd go that far. The football program is Penn St and its not like the basketball coach or women's volleyball coach were involved. In fact, had this happened with any sport other than football I think they may have reported it. But football is the golden goose at PSU and they were trying to protect it. No reason at all for all student athletes to pay the price. It's bad enough that the football players would get caught in the cross fire.
after this season you have to drop the hammer. 5 years. done. gives everyone associated with the program time to find new gigs next year and call it a day.
you cant penalize a program for paying players then let it slide when they cover up child abuse
Quote from: MDS on July 14, 2012, 05:01:58 PM
after this season you have to drop the hammer. 5 years. done. gives everyone associated with the program time to find new gigs next year and call it a day.
you cant penalize a program for paying players then let it slide when they cover up child abuse
If you're going to drop the hammer, you just do it.
I get what both of you are saying but it transcends football. They were doing it to protect the schools im which goes way beyond football.
Its tough all around because if the NCAA hammers them a lot more people than just the abuse victims suffer. Its almost an eye for an eye scenario.....which I can't get behind.
In this situation there is no right answer.
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Quote from: FastFreddie on July 14, 2012, 05:16:09 PMIf you're going to drop the hammer, you just do it.
you cant now. not fair to the guys on the team, not fair to the coaches, not fair to the other teams on the schedule and the people who already bought tickets and made plans to go __ game. you take away postseason and shtein but you have to let them play on this year.
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on July 14, 2012, 05:21:15 PM
I get what both of you are saying but it transcends football. They were doing it to protect the schools im which goes way beyond football.
Its tough all around because if the NCAA hammers them a lot more people than just the abuse victims suffer. Its almost an eye for an eye scenario.....which I can't get behind.
In this situation there is no right answer.
it goes beyond football but then again it doesnt. its not some teacher who was fondling kids in the cafeteria while the president and bot covered it up. its the ex coach with the statue and wins the record, its the president, the AD and its the BOT paying out $5 million to the family of the old coach and giving them a farging luxury box for games.
penn st just doesnt get it, hasnt gotten it and will never get it unless they are punished.
It's never going to be fair to anyone, and that's not the point. In fact, the less fair the better if you want to send a message to other programs about how they choose to prioritize football over basic human decency.
The collateral damage from shutting down a program of that size will be massive. This year, next year... It barely matters.
Quote from: FastFreddie on July 14, 2012, 05:30:39 PM
It's never going to be fair to anyone, and that's not the point. In fact, the less fair the better if you want to send a message to other programs about how they choose to prioritize football over basic human decency.
The collateral damage from shutting down a program of that size will be massive. This year, next year... It barely matters.
If people don't get it by now I am not sure they ever will. I just don't see how punishing people that had nothing to do with it makes a difference.
There really is no right or wrong answer here. You could suspend football for ten years and there wpuld still be people trying to be JoePa apologists.
I can't stand Penn State but shuttering the entire program would be ridiculously punitive. Punish those bastiches responsible harshly but the program should go on.
I think the punishment should be draconian. Maximum imaginable. I'm aware this means that people who have no guilt in the matter will be "harmed," but frankly, I don't care. They aren't harmed that badly. They can transfer to another school to play football. Or stick and get the education that is supposed to be the point anyway. Ticket holders can get refunds. Scheduled contracts involving games can be broken and aggrieved parties can sue Penn State. Whatever.
In fact, I like the idea that innocent people will be injured. The sum of all injuries incurred as a result of the punishment pales in comparison to the harm done by the sicko who was enabled by the football worship mentality that ruled Penn State.
It's a ruthless fact of life that when you associate yourself with an organization, you expose yourself to consequences of the failure of that organizatoin. It's not fair that people get laid off when a CEO makes bad decision, but tough shtein, that's life.
The crimes are so severe that the punishment should be massive and indiscriminate. How else will the message be delivered?
Let me put it this way: sometimes you punish the kid who misbehaves, and that works. But when the transgressions are more serious, and the culprits more numerous, it doesn't work to try to investigate and punish only those involved. You've got to punish the whole class.
This is a case for collective punishment. Shut it down.
Quote from: Diomedes on July 14, 2012, 06:46:29 PM
I think the punishment should be draconian. Maximum imaginable. I'm aware this means that people who have no guilt in the matter will be "harmed," but frankly, I don't care. They aren't harmed that badly. They can transfer to another school to play football. Or stick and get the education that is supposed to be the point anyway. Ticket holders can get refunds. Scheduled contracts involving games can be broken and aggrieved parties can sue Penn State. Whatever.
In fact, I like the idea that innocent people will be injured. The sum of all injuries incurred as a result of the punishment pales in comparison to the harm done by the sicko who was enabled by the football worship mentality that ruled Penn State.
It's a ruthless fact of life that when you associate yourself with an organization, you expose yourself to consequences of the failure of that organizatoin. It's not fair that people get laid off when a CEO makes bad decision, but tough shtein, that's life.
The crimes are so severe that the punishment should be massive and indiscriminate. How else will the message be delivered?
Let me put it this way: sometimes you punish the kid who misbehaves, and that works. But when the transgressions are more serious, and the culprits more numerous, it doesn't work to try to investigate and punish only those involved. You've got to punish the whole class.
This is a case for collective punishment. Shut it down.
I don't believe you.
And that is complete BS.
I never talk here about my war experiences but that would be like me wasting crowds of innocent people because they lived under Sadaam.
The difference is that those people were born into a life under Sadaam and had no choice. Players, coaches, etc all have choice where they work or play. Plus, shutting it down doesn't kill anyone.
An unfortunate fact of life is that there is always collateral damage in situations like this and there will be "innocent victims" getting punished through no fault of their own. Maybe they lose a job or a football scholarship at their prefered school but I suspect that's better than losing your ass cherry to a deranged old man.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on July 14, 2012, 08:22:33 PM
The difference is that those people were born into a life under Sadaam and had no choice. Players, coaches, etc all have choice where they work or play. Plus, shutting it down doesn't kill anyone.
An unfortunate fact of life is that there is always collateral damage in situations like this and there will be "innocent victims" getting punished through no fault of their own. Maybe they lose a job or a football scholarship at their prefered school but I suspect that's better than losing your ass cherry to a deranged old man.
I agree and I am clearly being dramatic....but I hate seeing any punished.
I do too which I why I said that the fallout should be limited to the football program and not the entire athletic department. There's still innocent people getting penalized, but the damage is minimal.
Now I don't know how legal or practical this would be, but perhaps a fair trade off would be that scholarship students are eligible to transfer to another school and PSU is still on the hook for the tuition. So if a kid with a full ride wants to go to Alabama (and if Bama wants the player), then PSU pays the way.
You wanna talk about a kick in the nuts....have them pick up the tab so players they recruited can help rival schools with championships.
Today I learned that shutting down a football program is equivalent to killing innocent people.
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LOL at Sarge's increasingly wacky ideas.
Yes, paying for players' scholarships at other schools... That'll learn 'em! At this point those complicit in the cover-up are out, so the punishment should be a deterrent to other schools and has to have teeth.
Start by vacating all team wins since the 2001 incident, as there is proof that holds up in a court of law that proves the coach and athletic director, with cooperation from the university president, knew and did nothing. Bye bye Paterno's record. Bye bye only BCS bowl victory. After that they can and should cripple the future of the team in a variety of ways that will hurt financially more than paying a few tuition bills.
I can't believe I'm saying this but wtf? The scumbag who committed these atrocities is going to spend the rest of his miserable life in prison. The head coach who aided and abetted him is dead. The douchebags in administration who swept it under the rug are all gone, and civil lawsuits will financially, if not emotionally or spiritually, rectify any wrong-doing by the university.
So again I ask, why is it necessary to destroy the future of the program when the principals in the past are at fault?
And I agree that Paterno's record should be left in tatters and the wins should be vacated but in the grand scheme of things those acts mean less than nothing.
Selfishly, I wouldn't want to punish the future of the program. But the deservingly-maligned NCAA needs to do something big here. They go after schools for providing ticky tack benefits like shirts and tutoring sessions, but they conveniently claim lack of jurisdiction on something like this? I can't imagine they can let that happen.
That said the "DEATH PENALTY" stuff is simple reactionary nonsense. It won't happen and would punish far outside the desired radius of stakeholders. However, I believe the PSU board of trustees needs to take strong measures to separate the importance of the football team's past and future from the school's. They are playing it correctly by not removing the statue in a reactionary way, but it will have to come down before another game is played. Other steps can and will be determined down the line.
When it comes down to it, the only wrong answers are to do nothing and to permanently shut down the football program. Lots of options in between the two for both the NCAA and the PSU BOT to take that will accomplish the desired outcome.
I view the situation less as a crime committed by one individual and ignored by a few others, and more as the natural result of a large cult. The Penn State community bought so hard into the cult of personality surrounding Pope Paterno and his Cardinals, that the shysters enjoyed decades of total unquestioned power and influence. Not even child rape could break through the spell cast upon these people by their own obsession with football and the cult of personality with their leader.
The entire community needs to feel the brunt of the punishment for the monster they helped to create. Vacate records and wins, obliterate statues and street signs, shut the football program down for five years. Send everyone in happy valley to re-education camps. Something like that.
Oh, I hear that. And frankly, the punishment definitely needs to be severe enough to make sure other schools are scared shteinless of allowing sports to run roughshod over everything else.
But this is why a 5-year ban won't happen: hint... Follow the $ (http://mobile.pennlive.com/advpenn/pm_29240/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=thOTLrYo)
If you're going to shut Penn State down because it's a de facto cult, you're going to have to shut down the programs in Tuscaloosa, Tallahassee, Gainesville (in truth, I'd be fine with this because farg the Gators), Ann Arbor, etc.
Punishing innocents because other innocents were harmed is not the way to prevent such things from happening again. It's not a rational solution, sorry.
Do you disagree that there are times when the most effective method for correcting behavior is to punish everyone for one person's bad behavior?
I know a basketball coach who makes the entire team run suicide sprints if any single player is caught taunting or trash talking after making a basket. It's not fair of course, but it works. After scoring, the entire team hustles into defense.
Sometimes you have to raise the stakes for everyone in order to get a change in thinking and behavior.
Quote from: Rome on July 15, 2012, 09:53:46 AMIf you're going to shut Penn State down because it's a de facto cult, you're going to have to shut down the programs in Tuscaloosa, Tallahassee, Gainesville (in truth, I'd be fine with this because farg the Gators), Ann Arbor, etc.
Difference being none of these places harbored a child rapist in order to protect the cult. It will certainly send them a message to see Penn State shut out for an unprecedented term.
Are you sure about that? Sexual predation isn't confined to central Pennsylvania, Dio. I'm sure there have been countless instances where women and children have been raped or otherwise abused sexually in every college town in America. Should we get the pitchforks and spark the torches and shut them all down too?
Look, I'm just playing devil's advocate here, and I 100% agree Penn State should face severe sanctions because of this, but ending a program because of the actions of former participants is just too punitive for me, and not because of some weird love I have for the program either.
Contrary to reports, PSU BOT and admin has not made any decision regarding the statue. Which means that farger is coming down down down.
Quote from: FastFreddie on July 15, 2012, 07:28:45 PM
Contrary to reports, PSU BOT and admin has not made any decision regarding the statue. Which means that farger is coming down down down.
There's still a lot of resistance from individuals. I read an article today in The Sporting News that quoted an anonymous BOT member saying that the statue shouldn't come down because it "represents all the good Joe did."
LOL. So does this mean Sandusky gets a statue then? Because I'm sure that between rapings, he (and his charity) actually did some good, too.
And Bobby Bowden thinks it should come down as well. Maybe he is biased, but he's still right.
Here's the article:
http://aol.sportingnews.com/ncaa-football/story/2012-07-14/joe-paterno-statue-removal-penn-state-freeh-report-jerry-sandusky-child-sex-abus
Quote"You can't let people stampede you into making a rash decision," a trustee told ESPN.com. "The statue represents the good that Joe did. It doesn't represent the bad that he did."
Pretty sure the statue represents the person and everything he did in his life.
Quote"It has to stay up," a trustee told the website. "We have to let a number of months pass, and we'll address it again. But there is no way, no way. It's just not coming down."
Bowden:
Quote"You go to a Penn State football game and there's 100,000 people down there and they see that statue and you know doggone well they'll start talking about Sandusky," Bowden told The Associated Press. "If it was me, I wouldn't want to have it brought up every time I walked out on the field."
That story is from yesterday and contradicts the official press release today.
There are definitely some hard core JoePa apologists on the BoT, and they will be out-voted.
Well, I read it today.
Neat! So it's "new to you!"
No anymore. I read it about 13 hours ago.
This guy accuses Freeh of grandstanding. (http://m.delcotimes.com/delcotimes/pm_110068/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=M8lR19Oe)
Let's just make it stop.
Although, we once again do need to remember that there is a ginger in the middle of all of this.
i sort of agree with him in that the freeh report is being way overvalued...all it did was tell us everything we already knew...im not sure why it was such a big deal
from day one the only people who thought joe didnt know that his top assistant who sat ten feet away from him for 30 years was not a pedophile were penn state/joe apologists
Paterno family unsurprisingly having their lawyers do a re-review of the Freeh report.
At this point the kindest interpretation of Paterno's role was that he was a clueless Hoyda.
I don't even know how you could say he was clueless at this point. Even if (and I think it's a big if) it can be indisputably proven that he wasn't involved in the cover up, I don't think there's any doubt that he wasn't fully aware of what was going on. What's the goal here? To prove that rather than being an active participant in the cover up, Paterno simply sat idle and did nothing? Do they think there's a significant difference between the two?
the big question i have is how many child abuse incidents were covered up that no even knows about....sandusky didnt wake up one day when he was 53 years old and start humping kids...he was at penn state starting in 1968 the first incident we know of was 1995....so what was covered up btwn 1968 and 2004
I said the kindest, not the most realistic.
But if you actually read the report, there is no conclusive proof about Joe knowing prior to 2001. However, it doesn't make a lick of sense whatsoever.
he 1000% knew about 95 and 98...he knew everything that was going on in that program...and i would be stunned if there werent other incidents before during or after those that he knew about
You know who also knew everything? Sue.
Bitch didn't do shtein either. No doubt Joe told her everything and she didn't say shtein.
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 16, 2012, 02:18:58 PM
the big question i have is how many child abuse incidents were covered up that no even knows about....sandusky didnt wake up one day when he was 53 years old and start humping kids...he was at penn state starting in 1968 the first incident we know of was 1995....so what was covered up btwn 1968 and 2004
He started in his mid/late 20's (http://content.usatoday.com/communities/ondeadline/post/2012/07/report-3-more-men-allege-sandusky-sexual-abuse-from-1970s/1)
That's exactly my point. What can be proven and what makes sense are two different things, and the Paternos and their apologists are going to continue to press those differences.
With Joe dead, they are both doing it to retain their memories of the guy but also to protect his estate from financial losses. Like him they're not as obtuse as they'd like us to think.
this would be a good start to the healing process
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/11/27/article-1231540-0062849D00000258-495_468x306.jpg)
Statue is unguarded right now. Who has a no-responsibility government job?
:paranoid
Plane flies around campus for 3 hours with banner reading, "TAKE THE STATUE DOWN OR WE WILL"
(http://mobilwi.typepad.com/.a/6a0120a6dde087970b0167689265d2970b-pi)
I loved those planes flying around the Linc about Vick. I wanted to see some Cory Lidle action
Good piece by Dom Giordano:
http://mobile.philly.com/news/opinion?wss=/philly/opinion&id=162771566&viewAll=y#more (http://mobile.philly.com/news/opinion?wss=/philly/opinion&id=162771566&viewAll=y#more)
There are actually academics that argue pedophilia is ok/natural? Wow.
Quote from: FastFreddie on July 18, 2012, 09:09:54 AM
There are actually academics that argue pedophilia is ok/natural?
at penn state it definitely is
You're hippolicious.
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 18, 2012, 09:11:49 AM
Quote from: FastFreddie on July 18, 2012, 09:09:54 AM
There are actually academics that argue pedophilia is ok/natural?
at penn state it definitely is
And Uncle Bill Conlin's house
naturally everyone has an uncle bill
these people are not helping things
http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/blog/eye-on-college-football/19605991/photo-penn-state-students-camp-out-to-protect-statue
Couldn't agree more. Nimrods.
Here's a photo of Pedobear with the statue:
(http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/17t7ur2g6afl1jpg/original.jpg)
Is it just the light/shadows or does Paterno's statue have a little bulge in the pants?
If my kid went to PSU, and I found out he was behind any of these signs, I'd kick the shtein out of him...then I'd rape him.
(https://p.twimg.com/AyDS6yyCIAAaCSN.jpg)
it aint easy breaking away from a cult, is it?
Quote from: Sgt PSN on July 18, 2012, 04:22:38 PM
Is it just the light/shadows or does Paterno's statue have a little bulge in the pants?
Heyyy Oooooooo
Source: Paterno statue MAY be coming down at 2am Saturday morning. Directive issued by Erickson without Board of Trustees' knowledge or approval.
All the abuse victims throw lasso's over the statue and tear it down similar to Saddam's statue. There would be no controversy and nobody would have the balls to tell them to stop.
Why do it on a weekend when students are still partying? Do it at 4am on a tuesday
Odds of drunk idiots being drunk idiots at the statue at 2am tomorrow morning are very strong.
id prefer to do it with those cranial lumps all there....not only will it make them look like bigger douchebags than they already are but maybe it also gives the authorities reason to crack some skulls
You don't understand how the authorities work up there yet do you?
They should hold another candle light vigil
And spray diesel on the crowd?
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 20, 2012, 09:48:10 AM
id prefer to do it with those cranial lumps all there....not only will it make them look like bigger douchebags than they already are but maybe it also gives the authorities reason to crack some skulls
I hope someone records this. I want to see a bunch of drunk college schmucks brought to tears.
I read a good zinger about the statue the other day. Put the statue in the library to remind everyone to be quiet.
:-D
not bad
I suggest "keep quiet" instead of "be quiet" though. It hits better.
They can keep the statue. Just put a statue of Sandusky right next to him and rotate Joe's head 90 degrees in the other direction. And maybe have Sandusky's statue with a hand up in the air, too. With his hand throwing up the "shocker."
i think we should all take a deep breath and remember the solid point ff brought up in all of this.....
its natural to be a pedo
theres nothing wrong with it
it just happens
Your hipponess never quits.
The artist who made the statue thinks they should throw a cover over it and wait 6mo to a year before making a decision. I guess I get it. Can't imagine artist who would want to see one of his pieces of work torn down. But still.....
Also, Franco Harris thinks it should stay and that the media reports are completely inaccurate regarding Paterno's involvement.
They should let the abuse victims make the decision. Whatever decision they make will be the right one and nobody can say shtein to them about it.
Quote from: SD on July 21, 2012, 01:36:36 PM
They should let the abuse victims make the decision. Whatever decision they make will be the right one and nobody can say shtein to them about it.
Can't say I agree with that at all. Paterno didn't polish their mud nickels. Even though he was part of a cover up, the fact that school administrators were involved as well basically means that Penn St. as an institution covered it up. If you're going to let the victims decide what to do with the statue, are you going to let them decide what to do with Penn St? Should the victims also be allowed to decide whether PSU football gets the death penalty or not? Should they determine whether or not to vacate all of Paterno's wins after 1998 (or 2001)? Or what about the library? Where does the line get drawn on where the victims can stop deciding what Penn St has to do?
New requirement for a seat on the Board of Trustees: knowing what big Jerr's cock tastes like
Quote from: Sgt PSN on July 21, 2012, 02:03:41 PM
Quote from: SD on July 21, 2012, 01:36:36 PM
They should let the abuse victims make the decision. Whatever decision they make will be the right one and nobody can say shtein to them about it.
Can't say I agree with that at all. Paterno didn't polish their mud nickels.
anyone that got raped after at minimum 1998 is on the hands of joe....and thats only if you believe he didnt know about sandusky before then....which is really hard to fathom
So does the 94 rose bowl still count?
I'm asking for FF.
It never counted for anything before except a "Big Ten" title and a reason to complain about the voters giving a championship to Nebraska. Plus, it was before Oregon was a wholly-owned subsidiary of Nike.
Breaking: Crews have arrived to remove Joe Paterno statue.
Quote from: FastFreddie on July 22, 2012, 06:22:46 AM
Breaking: Crews have arrived to remove Joe Paterno statue.
They only put a fence around it.
Yeah? http://live.psu.edu/story/60474
They should sell it on eBay
Quote from: Sgt PSN on July 21, 2012, 02:03:41 PM
Where does the line get drawn on where the victims can stop deciding what Penn St has to do?
The line gets drawn at the statue. Everything else with regards to the program should be left up to the NCAA. The statue is the lightning rod and if the abuse victims give it the thumbs up or thumbs down it's the right decision and nobody would be able to say shtein.
"Unprecedented" sanctions to be announced by NCAA tomorrow morning. Based on timing of announcement, most are assuming decisions were made along with current PSU leadership, not unilaterally by the NCAA.
Quote from: SD on July 22, 2012, 08:39:20 AM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on July 21, 2012, 02:03:41 PM
Where does the line get drawn on where the victims can stop deciding what Penn St has to do?
The line gets drawn at the statue. Everything else with regards to the program should be left up to the NCAA. The statue is the lightning rod and if the abuse victims give it the thumbs up or thumbs down it's the right decision and nobody would be able to say shtein.
It's a moot point now since the statue is coming down anyway, but I still disagree. I get your logic but don't like the idea of victims making institutional decisions. Let the big boys running the school make the grown up decisions. I think it's more "symbolic" for the school to say that the statue comes down than the victims.
Quote from: SD on July 22, 2012, 08:39:20 AMThe statue is the lightning rod and if the abuse victims give it the thumbs up or thumbs down it's the right decision and nobody would be able to say shtein.
The statue has become a lightning rod regardless of what the victims think, and that's why it's being taken down.
Death penalty unlikely but expected punishment to be more crippling to the program long-term.
so we're going to let 20 something year old kids make a decision on what happens to a school of 60K+ and employs how many thousands? what the farg is wrong with everyone.
it's an awful situation and obviously all the people involved need to get the boot and be punished but the whole statue situation is just a media created topic so everyone can stand on their soapboxes and say what the right thing to do is. i personally don't give a shtein if the statue is there or thrown in the garbage, but do you really think the victims are going to be all better once it's gone? i know it's a symbol and all and i guess i understand but people need to stop saying take it down for the victims because i really doubt the whole topic of the statue came from any of them. unless it did, then i take it all back.
I'd like to see the death penalty for the entire university. Napalm the place and then plant it over with poison ivy.
QuoteNCAA president Mark Emmert has decided to punish Penn State with severe penalties likely to include a significant loss of scholarships and loss of multiple bowls, a source close to the decision told ESPN's Joe Schad on Sunday morning.
60MM fine
Scholarship reductions from 25 to 15 for 4 years
4 year bowl ban
All wins from 98-11 vacated
WOW.
they got farged up.
im gld they went back to 98 and not just 2001
Quote from: DH on July 23, 2012, 09:16:14 AM
60MM fine
Scholarship reductions from 25 to 15 for 4 years
4 year bowl ban
All wins from 98-11 vacated
WOW.
Nevermind I read the last one wrong. They dropped the hammer.
i went back through and it appears to be 112 wins gone
the taking away of the wins doesnt mean anything....everyone knows they won those games....
im just glad they didnt ignore the 98 charges and the fact that people at penn state including joe clearly were aware of them...becaue that in turn shows just how awful the 2001 cover up truly is and of course everything that happened since then
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 23, 2012, 09:40:15 AM
the taking away of the wins doesnt mean anything....everyone knows they won those games....
im just glad they didnt ignore the 98 charges and the fact that people at penn state including joe clearly were aware of them...becaue that in turn shows just how awful the 2001 cover up truly is and of course everything that happened since then
Agreed. I read the last one wrong and edited my post.
I guess Bowden and Eddie Robinson are the win leaders now.
Joe is now #12 on the all time win list.
O/U on total wins over the next 4 years is at 15....Go.
I'm assuming the students can transfer to other schools. Would only make sense.
they can transfer without the normal 1 year waiting period
Also, the schools they transfer to will have exceptions to add scholarships above the normal limit.
^ thats an interesting piece of this that no one has really expanded on. So not only does 5 star recruitX leave PSU for OSU, but OSU doesn't need to spend a scholarship, thus bending PSU over and farging them right in the ass. In a shower.
Arguably fitting.
I don't think anyone cares but for the record I totally support the NCAA penalty and the removing of the statue. It farging kills me as a fan and alumni, but as a human being there isn't one bit of doubt that both moves were appropriate.
Big 10 is having a press conference at 11am. Rumors are they might ban PSU from the B10 championship game for 4 years
Don't think it matters..if PSU wins more than 5 games in any of the next 4 years, I'll be surprised - B10 championship game isnt anywhere near their immediate future.
Betting thread X-post:
Wisconsin will not have a hard time winning their division.
Who pays the 60 million? Does it go to charity or straight into the pockets of the maggots from the NCAA?
the athletic department pays it and there is a stipulation that the money being used can't come from the smaller sports or affect them in anyway.
it goes to set up an endowment to go towards victims of child abuse
That is actually an excellent result. Golf claps...
$12m a year for 5 years. Big Ten also going to put Penn State's share of bowl revenues to charities over next 4 years, estimated to be $13 million total.
The money is the 2nd to least severe of the penalties, next to only the meaningless vacated wins. The scholarships and bowl ban will be much more damaging to the university coffers.
It's going to take them at least a decade to recover if they ever really do. And not that it matters much right now but how long does Bill O'Brien stick around at this point? He's certainly saying all the right things but I have to wonder if he wants to spend the next half decade of his life coaching third rate prospects with no hope of winning anything.
i could see it as a no-lose situation for him. if he toils in mediocrity for 5 years he can leave and in interviews for other jobs say that he had nothing work with.
if he pulls a miracle and brings them back to being top notch, he can have his pick of any job in the country
As I sit here watching Theismann sell me on Super Beta Prostate, I look forward to cheering on McGloin trying to win the first game for PSU since fellow ginger Mike McQueary led the Nitts to a 35-10 whooping of the Wisconsin Badgers on Nov. 22, 1997.
So is temple going to beat them now?
You'd better hope so.
Hey, this guy's signature is on my bachelors degree! (http://onwardstate.com/2012/07/23/espn-obtains-spanier-letter-to-board-of-trustees/)
One thing I didn't know: Spanier claims to have been a long-time victim of child abuse.
However, if we assume he's lying about a lot of what he talks about here, I guess he could be adding that for a sympathetic punch.
that would make him look worse in this case wouldnt it?
Trivia question: Now that Joe Paterno's wins dating back to 1998 have been vacated, who was the QB of the last team to get Joe Paterno a victory in 1997?
Quote from: SD on July 23, 2012, 03:51:33 PM
Trivia question: Now that Joe Paterno's wins dating back to 1998 have been vacated, who was the QB of the last team to get Joe Paterno a victory in 1997?
no idea
Quote from: FastFreddie on July 23, 2012, 12:35:45 PM
As I sit here watching Theismann sell me on Super Beta Prostate, I look forward to cheering on McGloin trying to win the first game for PSU since fellow ginger Mike McQueary led the Nitts to a 35-10 whooping of the Wisconsin Badgers on Nov. 22, 1997.
(http://i46.tinypic.com/34ilgjn.jpg)
They sound like supporters of Hitler.
Kerry Kollins?
That @FanSince09 dude on twitter found a couple of people who blamed the victims for not trying harder to fight back.
that dude is my favorite twitter account ever.
Anyone who admits they're a fan of a team for 3 long years has gotta be gold.
Quote from: SunMo on July 23, 2012, 05:33:02 PM
that dude is my favorite twitter account ever.
Same. Consistently hilarious. I guess you could say I have him on a pedal stool.
QuoteTo Rodney Erickson, and the rest of the Penn State Nation, I hope that this status goes viral so you will someday read it. I am a Wounded Warrior, wounded in combat by a gunshot wound through my pelvis. I have never asked, or tried to hide my scars or have them removed. Why? Because they are reminders of who I am and what I've done. All those things I've done may not have been good, but I am man enough to accept and face that. You should be man enough to face your past. We do not remove the Lincoln Memorial because he started the Civil War, rather we leave it as a reminder of the good he's done. To some, the statute may remind them of the Sandusky Child Molestations, and I understand that. However, how are you to move forward in this life if you do not know where you've been? We study history to remind us to not allow it to repeat itself. Some have said that no man, coach, or player is bigger than the school. I disagree, because all the administration has done is prove that Joe Paterno was Penn State. Joe Pa lived for the school, and had the backbone to stare adversity in the eyes, and was able to put blinders on to ignore what the media and speculators said, to do what was needed. Even until the day he passed away, Coach Paterno lived with gracious integrity and still to this day, has been the only staff member to admit he was wrong. And if this status goes viral, all I ask is that the school be punished through a conventional process, not the court of public opinion. I also ask that ESPN give a sincere and public apology for dragging the school, Joe Pa, the victims, and the fans, alumni, and families of Penn State through the dirt by giving an unfair and completely biased, opinionated report. Much like my scars will always make me who I am, Joe Paterno will forever be Penn State.
Wow. I don't know who Ryan Blochberger is but this was on FB (Hi, PG!) and just what the farg?
Incredible.
He's right, Lincoln never should have started the civil war. Everything was fine, just like Penn st was before the media ruined everything
Just when you think ESPN can't possibly get any worse or miss the point so entirely, they post this:
(http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/2195/screenshot20120723at915.png)
Yes, not playing in bowl games is definitely worse than being anally raped by a monster.
Pretty sure the dramatic 'Death' part of the headline is in regards to them not getting the dreaded 'Death Penalty' but actually getting something worse.
Silas Redd getting recruited by USC
(http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/7728/screenshot20120724at549.png)
A pretty significant sample size @ 3,000-plus.
Pretty sure that is exactly why the NCAA acted as they did. Not to penalize Penn State. Not to discourage other schools from putting football first. Not even to make money. They just wanted to save some face and improve their reputation among the masses. Mission accomplished.
Quote from: Rome on July 24, 2012, 05:50:38 AM
(http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/7728/screenshot20120724at549.png)
A pretty significant sample size @ 3,000-plus.
very few non penn state fans care enough to vote on something like that so you can bet of the 3000 plus about 2500 are penn state supporters and 90% of them obviously think its to harsh
ESPN has been a 24/7 Penn State scandal network, but only Penn Staters would bother taking 5 seconds to express their opinion via poll. Makes sense.
in polls like that the majoirty of people voting are going to be ones that have a vested interest in the question....that goes for any poll
This Guy knows polls /\
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What doesn't he know?!?
tru dat.....i know a little about a lot of shtein
I'm sure IGY the contract attorney knew this already, but due to bonus opportunities in Bill O'Brien's contract related to bowls, his 5-year contract was automatically extended to 9 years.
Need IGY the bookie to let me know the odds he is still at PSU in 2021.
QuoteJuly 25--ESPN commentator Lou Holtz is urging sanction-riddled Penn State to put the University of Hawaii on its football schedule to take some of the edge off a four-year ban on postseason play.
The trouble is, the NCAA likely wouldn't allow it.
Appearing on ESPN radio Monday, Holtz said if he were the head coach of the Nittany Lions he would tell players, " 'We aren't going to a bowl game but let me tell you what we're going to do, son. For the next four years the last game we're going to play is at Hawaii. And we're going to go there and you're going to have the time of your life. You are going to have an experience you won't forget.' "
:-D
Lou is senile as farg but that is some funny shtein there.
Don Ho would go and throw batteries.
Spam is cheap here. Breakfast of Champions!
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Exactly^
I don't understand why more alumni/fans aren't more upset at the institution.
Im pretty sure those guys ar epissed at the sanctions, thus the NCAA
We are....out of touch
Quote from: DH on July 27, 2012, 11:51:19 AM
Im pretty sure those guys ar epissed at the sanctions, thus the NCAA
Yes.
Quote from: MDS on July 27, 2012, 12:52:56 PM
We are....out of touch
Yes.
Quote from: SD on July 27, 2012, 10:31:01 AM
Exactly^
I don't understand why more alumni/fans aren't more upset at the institution.
i think most normal alums are. not a surprise that we/they are also not the idiots who go yapping and bitching on facebook and any other kind of social media.
the players are the one group of people i can actually understand being pissed...however im not sure vocalizing it is the right way to go
One of the Freeh report authors criticizes NCAA's use of report to justify sanctions (http://chronicle.com/article/Freeh-Group-Member-Criticizes/133213/)
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Quote from: phattymatty on July 27, 2012, 12:58:20 PM
Quote from: SD on July 27, 2012, 10:31:01 AM
Exactly^
I don't understand why more alumni/fans aren't more upset at the institution.
i think most normal alums are. not a surprise that we/they are also not the idiots who go yapping and bitching on facebook and any other kind of social media.
Not the ones I've seen crying on TV. Majority of the alumni/students I've come across think they did JoePa wrong.
What? They dont put sane thoughts by people on the radio or tv?
exactly.
champion of missionary sex and ultimate family values man rick santorum defending child rape....
Quote"I actually read the Freeh Report. I don't know if you did or not, but I did. And, my concern with the Freeh report, a lot of the conclusions in the Freeh report aren't matched by the evidence that they presented and so I've been talking to a lot of folks at Penn State and they say, 'you're just gonna have to wait for the criminal trial of these two guys at Penn State.' I think there is going to be a whole new line set on what really went on there. So I'm sort of sitting back and waiting for the facts to come out as opposed to at least I'm being told is a version of the facts. ... Let's get the truth. So I think we're going to see some things come up a little different in the next six months. I just want to make sure we get it right."
He should hide out in a bunker with the Paterno family.
Quote from: FastFreddie on July 27, 2012, 09:31:30 PM
He should hide out in a bunker with the Paterno family Sandusky.
Quote
Penn State faces federal penalties as Education Dept. probes Sandusky case
By Jeremy Roebuck and Susan Snyder
Inquirer Staff Writers
In 2002, when a Pennsylvania State University football standout was accused of a dorm-room rape, the details were easy to come by.
After all, the alleged assault became a national news story when coach Joe Paterno allowed the accused cornerback to suit up for a postseason game despite the pending criminal charges.
The only place the curious couldn't find notice of the case was Penn State's federally mandated campus crime report.
It was never listed, though that was required by federal law even though the player was ultimately acquitted. In fact, the university reported no sexual assaults involving students on or off campus that year.
"It was an obvious error and could not be correct," said S. Daniel Carter, then a senior vice president for the Wayne-based Clery Center for Security on Campus. "I personally knew of other incidents that had been reported in 2002."
The incident is just one example of what former FBI Director Louis Freeh described in a report issued this month as the university's consistent and at times systematic failure to follow the Clery Act, a federal law requiring universities to provide accurate reports of crime on their campuses.
If true, those shortcomings are likely to loom large in the U.S. Department of Education's probe into Penn State's handling of the Jerry Sandusky child sexual-abuse case - an investigation that some campus security experts have described as the Education Department's largest Clery investigation to date.
In November, the department requested a host of documents from Penn State, including logs of all crime reported to any campus security authorities from 1998 to 2011.
Should Penn State be found in violation, it could face fines of up to $27,500 per incident as well as a possible loss of federal aid including grants, loans, and work-study payments.
A department spokeswoman refused to discuss the current status of the investigation.
But Carter, the campus safety advocate who now works for a Virginia-based family outreach center, suspects that Penn State's eventual fines could exceed the largest Clery penalty ever assessed - the $350,000 paid by Eastern Michigan University after administrators there intentionally mischaracterized the 2006 murder of a student in her dorm room as a death by natural causes.
Carter said Penn State is hardly alone in failing to fully meet Clery reporting requirements.
A 2002 Justice Department study found nearly two-thirds of campuses fell short of full implementation. And since 2007, the Education Department has initiated 78 investigations and assessed fines totaling $1.4 million for noncompliance.
"So many people view the Clery Act as a bureaucratic obligation," he said. "Many schools were ignorant to the requirements, and when they did become aware of them, they met with institutional resistance."
The law is named after Jeanne Clery, a Lehigh University freshman who was raped and murdered in her dorm room in 1986.
It requires universities to disclose all sexual assaults, murders, robberies, and other crimes that occur on campus and in the surrounding community.
Police as well as other designated campus authorities - including coaches and athletic directors - are responsible for passing on reports even if they do not result in criminal charges.
At Penn State, Freeh found few officials were aware of the Clery Act and its requirements, and those in charge of monitoring compliance received little training and were often overworked.
From 1997 to 2007, one university police officer was assigned to compile Clery reports. When he asked for more personnel to handle the job of monitoring on-campus crime as well as incidents involving students off campus, he was told, "We don't have the money," the Freeh report said.
And even once risk-management assessments flagged Penn State's spotty record meeting the act's requirements, "awareness and interest in Clery Act compliance . . . remained significantly lacking," said Freeh.
"The university's incomplete implementation of the Clery Act was a contributing factor in the failure to report child sexual abuse committed by Sandusky," he said.
When a mother reported in 1998 that the former assistant football coach had inappropriately touched her 11-year-old son in a football locker room shower, Penn State Police Chief Thomas Harmon e-mailed Gary Schultz, then the university vice president in charge of campus police: "We're going to hold off on making a crime log entry. At this point in time I can justify that decision because of the lack of clear evidence of a crime."
No charges were filed, but police generated a 90-page report on their investigation. The incident was not included in Penn State's annual crime statistics as required by the Clery Act.
Three years later, three Penn State officials - Schultz, then-president Graham B. Spanier and Athletic Director Tim Curley - agreed not to notify authorities when a graduate assistant reported seeing Sandusky molesting a boy in a locker room shower. Their e-mail exchange did not indicate any attempt to determine whether the alleged incident should be reported under the Clery Act, Freeh noted.
"The football program in particular opted out of most of the university's Clery Act, sexual abuse awareness and summer camp procedures training," according to his report.
Penn State spokesman David La Torre said university president Rodney Erickson has accepted the Freeh report and its findings. The Freeh group made preliminary recommendations for improvement in January, and the board of trustees immediately began taking steps, he noted.
"President Erickson takes recommendations to the Clery Act very seriously," La Torre said.
But publicity surrounding the Sandusky case and the Freeh report has brought new attention to the Clery Act, campus safety advocates say. More schools are following in the lead of universities like Lehigh, which began training administrators annually on the law after Clery's murder and repeatedly informs students and faculty where they can find crime statistics for the Bethlehem, Pa., campus.
"We follow the letter of the law," said Lehigh Police Chief Edward Shupp, who investigated the freshman's slaying as a young sergeant. "In fact, we go above and beyond what is required. We feel the more education that's out there, the better for everyone involved."
Penn State has also taken steps to improve its Clery compliance since Sandusky's arrest, including hiring Gabriel Gates as its first full-time Clery Act compliance officer.
"Now, certainly not in any way that they would have wanted, Penn State has become a leader in this area," said Carter.
Since Gates started, the university has identified more than 3,000 employees and volunteers who have reporting responsibilities under the law and have provided training to about half. The rest will attend mandatory training sessions in the near future. The university's board also plans to review annually the campus' Clery reports.
"My focus hasn't been on the past," Gates said. "I've been given a clean slate to build a robust compliance program with a focus on the future."
Silas Redd probably 99% to USC. Needless to say... Not very good to lose the only Premier offensive skill player.
I didn't realize Justin Brown had transferred as well. That's a shame. Still cheering for him.
Names on jerseys.
You have some interesting PSU peeps, my man.
Conspiracy!
Quote from: FastFreddie on August 07, 2012, 04:12:40 PM
Names on jerseys.
I like the sentiment and that O'brien is putting his own stamp on the program. farg with the old traditions.
Quote from: Rome on August 07, 2012, 05:58:18 PM
You have some interesting PSU peeps, my man.
Conspiracy!
I understand people disliking the move, but that O'Brien conspiracy stuff cracks me up.
Quote from: SD on August 07, 2012, 07:29:45 PM
Quote from: FastFreddie on August 07, 2012, 04:12:40 PM
Names on jerseys.
I like the sentiment and that O'brien is putting his own stamp on the program. farg with the old traditions.
At this point they almost have to.
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:-D :-D :-D
holy shtein.
a+++++
OMG - That's the first legit laugh I've gotten out of this since, well, maybe ever.
lol
get used to losing to mac teams, losers
Tyler Tettleton, future Eagle.
thread to MOCK silas redd
He might get an inferior degree that he'll never need!
Might.
Well, he did only have 9 carries yesterday. Will probably have to hang around for his senior season at that rate.
Quote from: FastFreddie on September 01, 2012, 08:52:52 PM
He might get an inferior degree that he'll never need!
lol this is why psu people slay me
inferior degree. who farging talks about "quality of education" as if that matters to anyone. this is why everyone hates psu because they think they are so much better not only in football but like oh the classes there youll learn so much more than if you go to la salle or pitt or suny binghamton or farging temple.
duuuuuuuuuuurrrrrrrrrrrrrrr no its all the farging same its a run of the mill state school that used to be good at football like 20 years ago. nothing more, nothing less. farging losers. get over yourselves.
like lsu and bama fans argue over which one has a better poly sci program or whose j school produces more pulitzer winners. farging christ this is why the big 10 blows ass chunks.
I actually agree with that but am allowed to be somewhat spiteful for no reason!
hey todd you realize that you can't say anything that psu alumns haven't heard or thought of themselves right?
it's probably time to let it go
you know whose j school has produced zero pulitzers?
temple.
i know not a single person who went to penn state for a quality education. todd do you or is this stuff that you just see on the internet?
No, you go to Penn State if you support child rape, and Temple if you support raping the English language.
good point, that's why i went.
did that make you laugh when you typed it or were you trying to be cool?
neither
I am bored to death
it helped me pass three or four seconds
glad you liked it, child rape lover
deal.
i actually hate penn state too, i started drinking with rusty at 11am yesterday in the hopes of a big penn state blow out, woke up this morning not remembering much, covered in blood. farg penn state.
menstrual blood, I presume? sort of brown-ish
...or semenal blood...kind of whitish? Either way, sounds like a great time was had last night.
Quote from: phattymatty on September 02, 2012, 11:39:35 AM
you know whose j school has produced zero pulitzers?
temple.
i know not a single person who went to penn state for a quality education. todd do you or is this stuff that you just see on the internet?
the education is quality at psu, just like it is at temple or wisconsin or minnesota or ohio state or umass or pitt or rutgers or ______, thats my point.
the thing that made psu stand out was 20 years ago they also had a good football team, but obviously those days are over now (lohiol)
i was at the game yesterday at UVA. not sure if it was the fourth or fifth miss, but the entire stadium started laughing, psu and uva fans alike. it was fun.
Yeah, I've never heard anything like that at a sporting event. It wasn't even a cheer or a groan or a mix of sounds, it was an audible coordinated laugh. Good times.
Yeah but was it fun though?
Quote"It's anonymous in some ways and in other ways it's not," he said. "But at the end of the day, these guys are playing hard giving great effort for us. To go on whatever, space book or tweeter, or whatever is putting stuff on there is absolutely ridiculous to me and very cowardly. But that's just my opinion. ... I don't know what type of people do that."
Bill O'Brien, not Joe Paterno, no social media attacks on his zesty kicker.
Seriously. He's a dude in his mid 40's who doesnt know what facebook and twitter are.
On the days I'm thinking the most clearly, I wish I didn't.
do you ever get mistaken for an actor or a golfer?
Because I have a common name, or because I'm rich and beautiful and have a large johnson?
Either way, yes. It is my burden to bear.
thread to mock fera
you sure him and Ficken aren't the same person?
Ficken is Fera...Fera is Ficken!
lot of money on penn state tonight
Good plan. Worst case is you can just sue the shtein out of them if they lose.
not me....i was just reading that the public is pounding them today
Yep - and I may join them
How about that Mike Mcgloin
Penn State is ass raping Iowa
Quote from: SD on October 20, 2012, 09:21:27 PM
Penn State is ass raping Iowa
SD Eagle, ladies and gents....he'll be here all night!
I guess the public isn't always wrong.
Quote from: SD on October 20, 2012, 09:21:27 PM
Penn State is ass raping Iowa
Cornholing would have been funnier. You know, with Iowa being such a large corn producer and all.
* Snort *
Receiver clearly had both hands on the ball when it crossed the goal line, what an awful call that cost them the game
Stone cold robbery
They should can some of those bums and replace them with lingerie league officials.
Another awful call that might have cost them points was the sideline interference personal foul. What a bunch of ticky tack bullshtein.
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he actually doesnt have control of it when it broke the plane....watch the cornhusker hit the tip of the ball which begins to loosen it and thus no posession when crossing the goal line
when that highlited circle pops up it already coming out
I think we've identified the previously-unnamed replay official.
haha... that was a touchdown.
igy being igy as usual.
at best it was a 50/50 judgement call....but as usual people not really looking at sports....rather reacting to it
btw whoever came up with the gif is a pretty dumb person because when they pause it and put the circle up its already been knocked loose....they should have just run the whole play at full speed if they were trying to make it look more like a td
look closely at the defenders hand and the ball right before the highlite circle pops up and the gif is paused....ou can see the defender hit the ball
Nope.
what was the call on the field?
i know psu fans are the worst human beings on earth but the whole thing is way too specific to over turn.
They showed the endzone view and he had control of the ball the entire time, at no point was it ever jarred loose. It flew out when he went to one hand. That should have been a no brainer call.
Quote from: SD on November 11, 2012, 04:20:57 PM
at no point was it ever jarred loose.
other than in the gif penn state fans went out of their way to put on the internet i agree
this is classic penn state....joe had nothing to do with child rape and the refs ripped them off....we get it.....you are perfect in every way and the world is out to get you
Quote from: MDS on November 11, 2012, 01:54:31 PM
but the whole thing is way too specific to over turn.
totally agree with this....i have no idea what the on the call on the field was....nor do i care....but in that self made video its a fumble
and its not as if the call is costing penn st anything
your national title hopes didnt end. your big 10 title hopes didnt die. you werent even facing michigan or ohio state.
it was a worthless regular season game against a big 12 team masquerading in your awful conference. let it go.
we all know how low they are i just find it funny that one of those idiots went out of his way to make a internet video showing that it was a fumble
it sums up their fan base in perfect fashion
man FF is not gonna like the direction this conversation is taking
he has his thread title all tact
Agreed, it could be argued that you guys are simply taking us back on topic.
i actually don't think it was that clear cut. it may have been a blown call but i definitely don't think the replay showed enough to warrant an overruling.
I think that the replay was not convincing enough to overturn any call that was made. So if they call it a td, it likely would have been upheld as well.
He has two hands on the ball when he hit the end zone plane.
Whatever, though. Makes me no never mind either way.
What Bill O'Brien did with this program is impressive.
I wonder if he will stick around?
PSU was respectable this season. I doubt O'brien sticks around and I can't blame him. I'm fine with the fines, the taking away scholarships, the wins they took away etc. But I hate that they're not bowl eligible. You're directly punishing the kids and the fans who had nothing to do with what happened. If they were bowl eligible O'brien probably sticks around.
Yeah I have a big problem with any sanctions that punish the players who had nothing to do with whatever scandal caused it. I know the bowl ban is designed to hurt the program monetarily but it kills the guys who bust their asses to play college ball.
I have a feeling that O'Brien may end up in the Eagles HC discussions
I wouldn't mind O'brien as a candidate. NE's other coordinators haven't amounted to shtein but O'brien really made the best out of a zesty situation with PSU and the team overperformed.
He made Matt McGloin look like an actual quarterback. That alone was impressive.
When the bowl ban got put into effect, his contract officially became a 9-year Johnson at over $3m a year. The buyout alone would make it tricky to leave, and he has a disabled son or something.
Probably just wishful thinking, but I think he's staying put.
i have never heard of a buyout clause for a coach that wanted to go pro?....does his contract really have one where HE would have to pay penn state to leave?
It's common. Pro teams gladly pay the money when they really want a guy.
so then how would that make it difficult to leave
Quote from: FastFreddie on November 26, 2012, 06:18:44 AM
The buyout alone would make it tricky to leave
Quote from: FastFreddie on November 26, 2012, 01:26:33 PM
Pro teams gladly pay the money when they really want a guy.
It's uncommon for a guy to have 8 years left on his contract when pro teams come calling. So his $$$ amount is a bit bigger.
Penn State actually gets the head coach decision right on the first try and now he's likely to leave? I farging hate being a sports fan more and more with each passing minute.
hes been a head coach for three months of his entire life and did OK in a disgustingly bad big ten....i wouldnt quite annoint him yet and would not lose any sleep over him leaving....seriously who the farg is bill obrien
I think the job he did under adverse circumstances was pretty farging remarkable. The Big Ten sucked, granted, but by all rights this team should have had a losing record. All of their top talent left and they were an embarrassing mess on special teams all year. McGloin was their farging QB for christ's sake and they went 8-4. I'd say he did a farging brilliant job with what he had to work with.
and if the big ten gets a little better (which it almost has to) or penn state gets a little worse then hes 5-7 or 4-8....
he did a commendable job im not saying he didnt.....but him leaving wouldnt cause me to hate sports...it would obviously be preferable if he did stay just from a continuity standpoint....i mean they def dont need need to lose their head coach at this point after what they have been thru.....at the same time they are going to be anywhere from irrelevant to zesty for at least the next six years no matter who the coach is
from a coaching phenom/genius standpoint i just dont see what he did this year thats makes him special...the improvment in mcgloin i would put as much on the paterno regime NOT being there than that obrien turned everything around...i mean the offense had to get better just by imporving the playbook and playcalling which was atrociously bad under the paternos....like division III bad....maybe i will be proved wrong and he is the next belichek...but as of now i have no idea who he is and just dont see getting upset if he left
I really don't think he's likely to leave.
From the "Where are they now?" file:
Gyasi Cline-Heard (http://aol.sportingnews.com/ncaa-basketball/story/2012-11-23/ex-penn-state-star-gyasi-cline-heard-sentenced-to-16-years-north-carolina)
slingin for one year and already busted. what a dummy.
Quote from: rjs246 on November 26, 2012, 02:26:15 PM
Penn State actually gets the head coach decision right on the first try and now he's likely to leave? I farging hate being a sports fan more and more with each passing minute.
I agree with this. I can't find any legit reason to give two shteins about sports these days. It's all just disgusting to me and I'm piss pot tired of it.
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 26, 2012, 02:55:38 PM
and if the big ten gets a little better (which it almost has to) or penn state gets a little worse then hes 5-7 or 4-8....
he did a commendable job im not saying he didnt.....but him leaving wouldnt cause me to hate sports...it would obviously be preferable if he did stay just from a continuity standpoint....i mean they def dont need need to lose their head coach at this point after what they have been thru.....at the same time they are going to be anywhere from irrelevant to zesty for at least the next six years no matter who the coach is
from a coaching phenom/genius standpoint i just dont see what he did this year thats makes him special...the improvment in mcgloin i would put as much on the paterno regime NOT being there than that obrien turned everything around...i mean the offense had to get better just by imporving the playbook and playcalling which was atrociously bad under the paternos....like division III bad....maybe i will be proved wrong and he is the next belichek...but as of now i have no idea who he is and just dont see getting upset if he left
He had to implement an entirely new system/staff etc. and did so without his best 3 players. PSU had every reason to be horrible this season instead they were probably a top 20 team.
they probably arent a top 50 team and wouldnt win the MAC
also i could implement an offense in the big ten
And you can hit one out of CBP too
Shock of all shockers: O'Brien says he's staying. OMG NO WAI UNBELIEVABLE
hackenberg is in the ua aa game on espn
his arm is pretty sick...he just threw a ball 60 yards as he was getting hit
justin brown sighting
penn state vs maryland in baltimore - october 24, 2015
Surprised there were no comments about the Paterno camp filing a lawsuit against the NCAA. Mainly because FF is now lurking rather than actively posting?
I don't think he's even lurking. His last post was Jan 28 and that was also the last time he logged in. So if he is lurking, he's doing so as a guest.
Also, I didn't know Paterno camp was suing the NCAA. Wtf do they want....the wins? I remember hearing that Corbitt was suing the NCAA on behalf of the Commonwealth, but I don't even know where that stands now. Last I heard about a week or so ago, it was basically in some sort of pre-trial stage for a judge to determine whether or not the lawsuit would continue.
penn staters like ff are the reason people mock them so bad...without him whats the point
Quote from: Sgt PSN on June 05, 2013, 12:59:29 PM
I don't think he's even lurking. His last post was Jan 28 and that was also the last time he logged in. So if he is lurking, he's doing so as a guest.
Also, I didn't know Paterno camp was suing the NCAA. Wtf do they want....the wins? I remember hearing that Corbitt was suing the NCAA on behalf of the Commonwealth, but I don't even know where that stands now. Last I heard about a week or so ago, it was basically in some sort of pre-trial stage for a judge to determine whether or not the lawsuit would continue.
First link with the story I came across on a quick search. (http://news.yahoo.com/family-penn-states-paterno-sues-over-abuse-penalties-224323514.html)
have to admit a little welling up going on here thinking about ff.....he was awesome
Yeah, so the family is suing basically to get wins back. Players that no one cares about are suing to get the last remaining evidence of their football careers put back on the books. And I guess the faculty would include people who were named as participants in the Feech report and fired, so I guess they just want money.
All of this is definitely more important than 12 yr old nigglets getting butt slammed in the shower by Uncle Jerry for a decade and a half.
i think its hilarious that he coached ten years longer than he should have to pad his win totals and then they all got taken away
where is ff
is his little look at me tempertantrum over yet?
he will be back one day with a new screen name and schtick and it will be wonderful until he melts down again and dips.
i think hes def bipolar
hes emailed me 1 or 2 times since he left...i want none of it
either he comes back or he can just die. in the flesh ff in a 1 on 1 convo aint for me
awesome. i'm in.
http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/blog/eye-on-college-football/22696470/report-penn-state-and-ucf-to-play-in-ireland-in-2014
i always said while on the bowl blacklist penn state should schedule a game in hawaii every year as sort of a pseudo bowl trip type game to sell to recruits
ireland is not hawaii but its still the right idea
ireland will sell well in MA which is where penn st recruits
this may be obvious but i just realized that the ireland game is o'brien vs o'leary.
i already have tix.
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Yeah, that's farging embarrassing.
was there anything special or noteworthy about that win...or was it just a regular season non conference win over syracuse
yes
Mike Hart (former Colt) is a coach for Eastern Michigan. A decade or so ago there was a thread about him in High School. Feeling old
oh man you gotta hit on that
hackenberg is all over the place, but when he hits its really pretty.
wait till next year when he doesnt have robinson
he also looks completely hairless and is always glistening. like his calves are always shiny.
he does look like a perfect specimen
id do him
Forget next year. He's gonna shtein the bed the first time they play a real team. Bradley is protecting him from being exposed right now. I have high hopes for him long term but right now he looks very much like a talented freshman pocket QB who's being protected by his coach's play calling.
Quote from: rjs246 on September 07, 2013, 03:35:11 PM
Forget next year. He's gonna shtein the bed the first time they play a real team. Bradley is protecting him from being exposed right now. I have high hopes for him long term but right now he looks very much like a talented freshman pocket QB who's being protected by his coach's play calling.
normally id agree with the high hopes part and in theory he obviously should get better as he matures but the team is only going to get worse as his career moves forward....will he ever have a player even as good as allen robinson again?
and bradley is a farging great coach....they need to do whatever is humanly possible to keep him long term
Yeah I don't disagree. Bradley being such a great coach does give me a sliver of hope that they'll be able to recruit some talent. But yeah, they're gonna fall off big time before anything really gets better.
hopefully brenemen turns into a stud with him
http://blacksportsonline.com/home/2013/10/ex-chiefs-rb-larry-johnson-now-a-strip-club-dj/
PSU-Michigan was a hell of a game tonight.
this looks awesome
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/nhl/news/20131010/penn-state-hockey-opens-pegula-ice-arena/
https://twitter.com/johnclarknbc10/status/389461732474642432/photo/1/large
yum! you know that hurts like a bitch...mace sucks but with an open cut too??
police brutality at its finest
dude is cuffed and they still farg him up.
white people cant catch no breaks
penn states defense is not playing awful
now if farging hackenburg could just complete a pass
he is brutal......theres a reason he went to penn state
that's absolutely unbelievable....robinson just made the same exact play as the michigan game
bob playing this way too conservative
Penn State survives.
O'Brien being mentioned as a potential Kubiak replacement
penn state princeton overtime on btn
crazy ending
espn saying bill obrien will be the texans new coach
QuoteIan Rapoport @RapSheet 39m
Penn St. AD Dave Joyner is mulling flying down to Tampa soon to make a push for Schiano in person. Schiano has said he wants to stay in NFL
According to Rivals, Penn State has made an offer to Al Golden (http://bwi.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1594011).
twitter said he accepted it
have fun going 7-5 from here to infinity. golden sucks.
james franklin is the obvious choice but the elders up there are still a decade or two away from being ready to hire an african american head coach
QuoteAdam Schefter
As @mortreport reported, former Titans HC Mike Munchak will interview today for the Penn State HC job.
munchak would be such a boring zero excitement hire who will not attract recruits...you finally added a little hot sauce by letting obrien open up the offense and zest up the program a little and now you might hire an old joe paterno offensive lineman from the 70's
hopefully they are just doing this to appease the elders are arent seriously interested in him as the next coach
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 03, 2014, 07:38:37 PM
james franklin is the obvious choice but the elders up there are still a decade or two away from being ready to hire an african american head coach
this
don't know if this guy is legit or not but whatever
footballscoop: At Penn State, sources tell us that PSU plans to offer their head coaching position to James Franklin http://t.co/sNnVtycOD5
footballscoop: This is happening folks
footballscoop: Have every reason to believe the offer from PSU will be one that Franklin will accept
i fully support this hiring if true.
That's great news. Shocking but great.
good for the BOT and the AD....now lets see if the elder alumni will accept and support him and not hold him to an unrealistic standard
the crown aint worth much if the stillupfront's mom wearin it always gettin his shtein took
Dave Jones is saying it hasn't been offered to Franklin yet but a few other sources are saying he's the frontrunner.
Munchack interviewing with Detroit this week actually does PSU a favor in the fact that they can say they don't want another guy who is still looking to go to the NFL.
might as well just go ahead and hire matt millen if you are gonna hire munchak
Franklin offered the job; expected to decide today (http://thetimes-tribune.com/sources-penn-state-offers-franklin-job-1.1613913)
Bruce Feldman on twitter says that Franklin is taking the job
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 07, 2014, 01:09:40 PM
good for the BOT and the AD....now lets see if the elder alumni will accept and support him and not hold him to an unrealistic standard
the crown aint worth much if the stillupfront's mom wearin it always gettin his shtein took
what would be considered an unrealistic standard ?
After taking pretty much all of Vandy's commits (including CB Amani Oruwariye from Tampa), PSU also got a 4-star DB that committed to Cal (Koa Farmer) and Rutgers' top remaining commit, 4-star WR Saeed Blacknall
QuotePenn State Nittany Lions
Grade - B
James Franklin's first class at Penn State is a quality one and he did his best to keep it together. Leading the way for the Nittany Lions are future wide receivers De'Andre Thompkins, a former Rutgers pledge, along with No. 118 Saeed Blacknall and No. 159 Chris Godwin. Three-star tight end Mike Gesicki is another sure-handed pass-catcher, while the future of the quarterback position looks secure with ESPN 300 Michael O'Connor remaining in the fold. Defensive end Lloyd Tubman was the first to flip from Vanderbilt to Penn State, and junior college defensive tackle Tarow Barney has already enrolled.
McQuery the degen?
http://deadspin.com/mcqueary-gambling-allegations-put-19-year-old-game-in-n-1537313917?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_twitter&utm_source=deadspin_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow
penn state in the cbi....plays hampton in round one
black vs. white
i got black
this is not your grand pappys penn state...
http://thebiglead.com/2014/03/18/penn-state-made-a-mini-documentary-about-a-30-year-old-assistant-coach-running-a-4-8-40/
http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-football/story/2014-03-29/jerry-sandusky-penn-state-child-abuse-case-wife-attacks-accusers-all-they-think-about-is-sex-?eadid=SOC/Twi/SNMain
Why is she even given an audience for her opinions
she should be in jail with her husband
wow, rivals has psu as the #2 recruiting class in the country right now, only behind A&M. i had no idea.
http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/teamrank/2014/all/all
#24, big guy.
Quote from: Rome on April 03, 2014, 06:06:27 PM
http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/teamrank/2014/all/all
#24, big guy.
thats last years class
hes talking about the players that are going to be graduating hs in 2015
oh, in that case...
remember this guy......
http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/highschools/former-top-penn-state-recruit-antonio-logan-el-finds-peace-beyond-football-as-openly-gay-man/2014/05/28/c384abe2-e0f9-11e3-9743-bb9b59cde7b9_story.html
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000371415/article/penn-state-drops-recruit-because-of-his-social-media-presence?campaign=Twitter_nfl_cb
herb hand was a contestant on chopped a few weeks or months ago. he lost. loser.
they need to build a statue in happy valley for hackenberg....for sticking to his original commitment....for not leaving when BOB left....for being so damn good and having to play with the slop they have now and will have next year
hes going to be the #1 overall pick in 2016
hackenberg doing teenager things
how many people in dublin want to go to penn state-central florida? is football even a thing there?
WE ARE....not winning this game
Wow helluva fourth quarter.
Ficken actually hit it
every time penn state pulls out a bullshtein win halfway across the world even though their mulatto head coach managed the clock worse than andy reid, an administration looks the other way while a old pedophile repeatedly rapes 12 year old boys
that was a great game if you like end of game strategy clock management stuff....good start to the day
Bowl Ban lifted immediately and all scholarships back next year.
i can't believe both happened, i thought it would be one or the other
wow really, so they can do a bowl this year if eligible?
that's what immediately means, yes.
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/NCAA-lifts-Penn-States-bowl-ban.html
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cool i guess all those kids sandusky fondled and all the "nothing to see here" reactions the administration gave amounted to a lot
money football central pennsylvania trash money football central pennsylvania trash
The bowl ban was dumb because you're punishing fans and kids who had nothing to do with it. I agree a harsh punishment was warranted, but why not make Penn State give all the proceeds/winning from the bowl games to a charity.
why not just disband the program?
the ncaa is a cartel....the players are pawns with no rights....therefore they have no right to do anything but do what the ncaa says...and farg the fans. most of them still think joe pa is an angel in heaven right now.
that school and its hillbilly residents can eat sandusky's poop dick
I'm really uncomfortable agreeing with Todd, but he's right in this case.
Seconded. I recently got into it with some dude about poor old JoePa and how the mean old NCAA trampled all over his legacy. The astronomical lack of perspective it takes to even give a second thought to Joe farging Paterno in the context of decades of child abuse made me spit nails.
Also, go Lions. I mean, who am I kidding? I can't wait to see them get back to losing bowl games.
i think bombs should be dropped on the previous admin and honestly more people should be in jail...i think joe was a football obsessed pos...i was all for the original sanctions
at the same time i don't have a problem with todays decision and i agree with sd that there are much better ways to punish the school while helping victims than to take away some scholorships and bowls from the current football team
oh those poor baby football players...such precious lives....give them presents and gifts!
yea its not fair that people get punished for other people's actions but the ncaa is a farce. really penn st is lucky to be playing football games at all...they shouldve shut shtein down for 2 years and just let the community and everyone there re-evaluate priorities. exponentially, football and winning trumped the safety of 12 year old boys. alabama, usc, lsu, florida, etc. all wouldve done the same. penn state isnt alone. but it happened to them, and they needed to pay.
they barely did.
i read shtein all day from clueless morons who said something to the effect that they shouldn't have faced any disciplinary action.
i mean, are you farging kidding me? they aided and abetted a goddamn serial child rapist then covered it up for a decade. i don't care if the athletes that attend the school now were affected by shuttering the program. every last one of them can find another school to play for and the coaches can find other programs to coach at. i'd feel bad for the rank & file workers at the stadium, but in the end the hammer had to be dropped on the program. as it is they got away with a 2 year slap on the wrist.
it's disgusting.
the players had the option to leave/not go there....for coaches its just a job. whatever. none of them are in any place to complain.
the people hurt are the business owners around the area that make a good bulk of their money off of home game weekends. it sucks for them, but when your business model revolves around the performance of a football team, theres going to ebbs and flows to it. bidness be bidness, life goes on.
spanier schultz and curley ending up in prison with sandusky is far more important than how many scholarships james franklin has next year
tone deaf college students
http://deadspin.com/penn-state-students-celebrate-lifted-sanctions-chant-j-1632254408
Editorial from the Hazelton Standard-Speaker (here's a link (http://standardspeaker.com/sports/time-to-reinstate-paterno-s-wins-1.1749636), but they want $10 for the privilege of reading it):
Quote from: Diane CollinsLet's not pretend this is a miraculous outcome.
Everyone saw this coming.
Last year, when the NCAA greatly reduced the scholarship restrictions that were supposed to cripple Penn State's football program for the crime of standing a bit too close to Jerry Sandusky's evil, you started to hear the rumors. The NCAA's bowl ban on the Nittany Lions that was supposed to keep them out of postseason play through the 2015 season was on life support. Even then, we knew it wouldn't survive 2014.
Lo and behold Monday, on the recommendation of athletic integrity monitor George Mitchell, the former Democratic U.S. senator from Maine, Penn State got its bowl games back. Effective immediately.
It got its scholarships back, too. Every one of them. Effective at the start of the 2015 season.
Rest in peace, the punishment worse than death.
In the wake of the Freeh Report and with the college football world still outraged by Sandusky's actions, the NCAA wanted to make a statement back in 2012 when it punished Penn State for its handling of the Sandusky case. A bowl ban. Epic fines. Scholarship reductions that would bury the program for a decade. No doubt, NCAA president Mark Emmert and his executive committee intended to crush Penn State.
Problem is, for all the grandstanding what happened in State College, and all the fingers wagged and all the "Tsk tsks" shot the university's way, nobody at the NCAA could guarantee they'd have done things any differently.
Talk all you want about progress with the recommendations of the Freeh Report and obedience to a consent decree. That's why Penn State is essentially free and clear today.
Essentially and ironically, the NCAA shot the final bullet into this rotting, stinking corpse of a punishment last week, when it released its new policy on how athletic departments should handle reports of sexual assaults.
They titled the handbook "Addressing Sexual Assault and Interpersonal Violence," and basically, the NCAA executive committee determined that athletic departments should just stay out of sexual assault investigations. Really. Cooperate with authorities? Sure. But "manage, direct, control or interfere with" investigations? Absolutely not.
Let's say, for argument's sake, that this policy was in place back in November of 2011. Think Graham Spanier or Tim Curley or Gary Schultz would have any trouble arguing they were simply trying not to mange, direct, control or interfere with an investigation into Sandusky?
Let's also — you know, for the sake of argument — say this policy stood in place in 2001, when by every account of this horrific story Mike McQueary witnessed some kind of inappropriate behavior between Sandusky and a prepubescent boy in a shower stall at the Lasch Building. The then-graduate assistant coach told head coach Joe Paterno some version of that story the next day. What would the NCAA policy recommend Paterno do from there?
"Report immediately any suspected sexual violence to appropriate campus offices for investigation and adjudication," of course.
Which by any reasonable interpretation of accepted history is what Paterno did when he told Curley and Schultz, the university vice president who at the time oversaw the campus police department.
You can't make this stuff up, really.
Except, well, the NCAA did make this punishment up as it went along. Pandering, with force, to a justified public demand for answers. Looking to change its own image from an organization that slaps wrists for academic shortcomings, practically ignores recruiting violations and quite frankly has been making billions on the popularity of its student-athletes.
Now, the NCAA is in full retreat mode, practically admitting it can't even ask its members' athletic departments to act any differently than Penn State's did. It published a 50-page handbook on proper responses for athletic departments to suspected sexual assaults when five words would do: Call the police, damn it. For the NCAA, this isn't exactly the decisive display of leadership it expected from Penn State's athletic department two years ago.
Yet, as Penn State has been made almost entirely whole again, isn't it fair to think the NCAA hasn't done enough?
By its own standard, the NCAA has to hand back to Joe Paterno all the wins the sanctions took away from him. He has to have his win total restored to 409, and his name has to be etched on the top of the list of winningest coaches in big-time college football history. Whether you think Paterno did as much as he could to rid the streets of the Sandusky scourge is now no longer relevant. The NCAA says he did exactly what they'd ask anybody in his position to do.
The worst-kept secret in college football became a reality Monday. Except, the organization that, in unprecedented fashion, has stricken most every sanction in arguably the most harsh penalty it has ever handed out has strangely been mum on whether it will do what it can to make Paterno whole again. Connect the dots they drew on the page, and it's easy to see they have an obligation to do just that.
So much for a punishment worse than the Death Penalty being used to straighten up a wayward football program. The only mess cleaned up at the end of the day is the one made by Mark Emmert, and there is still some mopping to do.
I'm interested in seeing Igy and Temple Todd's reaction to this.
internet preaching is awesome.
Penn State is not good this year. That is all.
ha
luckily either is the big ten
nothing like losing at home to northwestern
i heard some loser on wip say yesterday that penn state is going to the rose bowl. ha.
Yeah northwestern has been zesty for awhile now...this is a bad look for penn st
not as bad as covering up the repeated actions of a serial pedophile
but yes
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 27, 2014, 12:55:32 PM
Yeah northwestern has been zesty for awhile now...this is a bad look for penn st
no one could have possible thought penn state was good this year right?
they are one of the worst teams in one of the worst fcs conferences ever
No PSU is not good...but losing to NW is extra bad.
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 27, 2014, 04:50:21 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 27, 2014, 12:55:32 PM
Yeah northwestern has been zesty for awhile now...this is a bad look for penn st
no one could have possible thought penn state was good this year right?
FF
http://www.nj.com/middlesex/index.ssf/2014/10/sayreville_high_star_athlete_myles_hartsfield_taken_from_home_by_police.html
This is about as bad of a game as you can play
http://pennstate.247sports.com/Bolt/Penn-State-bowl-projections-32624812
PSU-Miami at Yankee stadium would be pretty fun.
http://onwardstate.com/2014/11/05/internal-emails-show-ncaa-questioned-jurisdiction-over-penn-state/
NCAA is garbage
Only a body as diseased, inept, and corrupt could make Penn State out to be a helpless victim in this fiasco.
Jesus...
Quote from: phattymatty on November 04, 2014, 12:08:47 PM
http://pennstate.247sports.com/Bolt/Penn-State-bowl-projections-32624812
PSU-Miami at Yankee stadium would be pretty fun.
pinstripe bowl. nice.
Not this year for Todd.
Maybe next year. Or maybe in 2087.
didnt he say 2008 was their year?
this was the year and pj walker is a catastrophe
matt rhule is not a good coach, but crowning this kid was as dumb as anything
about to lose to one of the worst teams in all of the fbs
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 22, 2014, 03:03:27 PM
about to lose to one of the worst teams in all of the fbs
PSU IS one of the worst teams in the FBS.
not really....but they do have one of the worst in game coaches ive ever seen...I tried telling everyone that franklin is a players coach and good recruiter but he is hideous in game....and never worse than today....4th and 1 to probably win the game....gotta go for it right?...right....ok so let the play clock run down....check....timeout....check....punt....wait what?....punt....no way he just called a timeout?....punt....youre kidding....nope PUNT....Illinois gets the ball and wins
it should be mentioned to that on 3rd down before the inexplicable punt hackenberg made one of the most gutless (and dumbest) plays ive ever seen by running out of bounds
I agree on both of those. Franklin has been horrendous in game-day coaching. And I don't know what happened to Hackenberg this year, but he's been abysmal.
because I will not watch another second of pro football for the rest of the year nor any show that might reference pro football I am watching penn state women in the volleyball natty vs byu right now....psu up two sets to none
College football and CNN on the tube right now
spurs mavs
Great ending
First Bowl game I've watched this year. Excellent.
My first, too. Hell of a fourth quarter. And two years ago I think one of us could have kicked better than Sam Ficken. He's had a helluva turnaround.
Nothing says redemption quite like a win in a third-tier bowl to mercifully end a 7-6 season.
Quote from: Rome on December 28, 2014, 09:02:13 AM
Nothing says redemption quite like a win in a third-tier bowl to mercifully end a 7-6 season.
Turnaround for the kicker, not the team. They are the epitome of mediocre.
franklin needs to get the recruiting machine going. gonna be that much tougher in the big ten with harbaugh going to mich.
hes an excellent recruiter but no matter how good he is he will never be on the level with ohio st or Michigan (when Michigan is back up)....still reruting isn't his problem....coaching is...hes a terrible coach
yeah i was not impressed at all with his coaching.
penn state needs to realize their place in cfb....they have a chance to be maybe a notch above a program like wisconsin....where every once in a while you have a dream season and win the big ten....maybe its because a couple recruiting classes exceeded expectations or because michigan and/or ohio had a down year....but they aren't winning a natty ever again and the big ten conf. title is gonna be once a decade...what may change this is if Michigan never gets back to their glory....maybe like penn state they are permanently more of a northern regional type power rather than a national player....if that happens then penn state perhaps wins a couple big ten titles every decade
Penn State's (and therefore Paterno's) wins were restored.
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at a loss for words...
https://bwi.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?fid=36&mid=178269921&sid=890&tid=178242523&style=1
See that? You give JoePa his wins back and all of a sudden raping kids is okay.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 16, 2015, 08:37:34 PM
at a loss for words...
https://bwi.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?fid=36&mid=178269921&sid=890&tid=178242523&style=1
i dont even know of its possible to more grossed out by people's opinions than this
Wait, that's not sarcasm?
nm
Exeter junior Michal Menet picked PSU over Duke. Top HS player in the state and #6 OT in the country (and can play all 5 OL positions)
Quote from: BigEd76 on May 29, 2015, 03:13:43 PM
Exeter junior Michal Menet picked PSU over Duke. Top HS player in the state and #6 OT in the country (and can play all 5 OL positions)
take that duke ! :yay
Quote from: BigEd76 on May 29, 2015, 03:13:43 PM
Exeter junior Michal Menet picked PSU over Duke. Top HS player in the state and #6 OT in the country (and can play all 5 OL positions)
if he has an older brother named josh i got my blow off that dude in HS. exeter was like farm boy thug town.
Quote from: smeags on May 29, 2015, 03:18:41 PM
Quote from: BigEd76 on May 29, 2015, 03:13:43 PM
Exeter junior Michal Menet picked PSU over Duke. Top HS player in the state and #6 OT in the country (and can play all 5 OL positions)
take that duke ! :yay
Yes, it's quite the coup when a football player chooses your school over Duke.
Is your sarcasm detector dragging on the ground along with your nuts ?
Yours clearly is.
penn state is going back to the nameless jerseys
no names, all game.
was just looking at the sked
they dont play a true road game until oct 17
Ha, the tight end was wide open, but so was the field, so Hackenburg ran it in for the score.
The tight end got a little pissy about it. :-D
killer hold
franklin is horrible.
huge run for the first on 3 and 14 for wackenburg then he takes an awful timeout
usually its pretty clear whether to go for it or kick but that was one of the few occasions where it was literally 50-50
Penn State's hanging in there with the backup QB in there. Down 24-17 to Georgia in the 4th quarter. Closest bowl game I've seen yet.
Hack (and Austin Johnson) declared for the draft after the game
http://www.pennlive.com/news/2016/05/court_filing_says_joe_paterno.html
He knew about it and let it happen just like the good Catholic that he was.
Burn in hell, motherfarger.
Now 200 brainwashed ex-jocks have signed a letter requesting the statue be put back up.
* Just make sure you position it so it looks the other way.
* (Note - Stolen from someone else.)
QuoteShout out to Penn State Football for ordering $1,200 worth of Jimmy Johns for delivery and leaving a $0 tip. Hope you lose every game.
Only thing worse than not tipping delivery drivers is delivery drivers taking to twitter to complain about not getting tipped.
What a disgusting joke today
Tone deaf and exhibiting the classic signs of being a cult
Missed it today. Went car shopping instead. Rather be with Sandusky.
read. farg penn state. farg them to their core.
http://theundefeated.com/features/penn-state-doesnt-get-to-decide-joe-paternos-legacy/
I've never been much of a Temple fan because, well, come on, but huge props for what they did yesterday.
farg Penn State and their disgusting allegiance to that rapist enabling piece of shtein Paterno.
saquon barkley is pretty good
55 points wow.
garrett sickels for president.
been at the bar since around noon...any updates on saquon
"He'll have a great week and prepare and be ready to play this week based on what I know," Franklin said.
That was all I could find.
https://www.landof10.com/penn-state/the-wake-up-call-penn-states-saquon-barkley-expected-to-play-vs-wisconsin-lions-could-create-headache-for-cfp-committee-mcsorley-masters-finer-points-of-position (https://www.landof10.com/penn-state/the-wake-up-call-penn-states-saquon-barkley-expected-to-play-vs-wisconsin-lions-could-create-headache-for-cfp-committee-mcsorley-masters-finer-points-of-position)
QuoteTeddy Greenstein of the Chicago Tribune writes that the College Football Playoff committee must surely be rooting for Penn State to lose to Wisconsin, as it would make the selection process that much easier.
While PSU fan bitching will certainly be much, much greater if PSU wins, I don't think it would change the outcome of the selection process.
Now, if Washington or Clemson loses, that would make the selection process more difficult.
they've been doing it all year but the amount of under thrown deep balls penn state completes is insane
amazing win
besides the fact that ohio st is better than penn st, why isnt penn st going to the cfp over them
That was a heck of a game. What a comeback.
Kind surprising to see the Badgers defense get worked
can someone tell me why they are taking osu over psu but not temple over w mich
psu the more deserving but not better team.....w mich is the more deserving but not better team. naturally the philly team is getting screwed
I think there's arguments to be made for penn state over Washington and or Ohio state
Western mich has gotten more press and that means they will go. A broken system
Penn State doesn't belong in the playoff but even if they make it they'd be sacrificial lambs against Bama.
Quote from: Rome on December 04, 2016, 08:09:48 AM
Penn State doesn't belong in the playoff but even if they make it they'd be sacrificial lambs against Bama.
People are saying well OSU beat 3 top 10 teams...well PSU beat 2, and won the toughest conference in college football. They have zero shot at beating Bama but they 100% belong in the playoffs. People point to the Michigan game as why they don't belong, they were out of LBs and playing safeties/D lineman at the position and this is a totally different team. That loss was 2 freakin months ago too.
no matter what happens no one should complain....penn state would be worthy of getting in and they also arent as good as whatever team would get in over them
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 04, 2016, 10:48:29 AM
no matter what happens no one should complain....penn state would be worthy of getting in and they also arent as good as whatever team would get in over them
This is my opinion. I find it hard to leave out the team that won the best conf but don't think they're as good as the other 4.
I actually agree with both of your opinions I just don't see how you can keep them out of the top 4.
They're not as good but god damn are they an amazing second half team.
be interesting to see if temple is in the committees top 25 this week cause that boosts penn states resume
i was always against a playoff but i have to admit the drama this year is off the charts
I'm glad they've got the playoff but I wish it were eight teams
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 04, 2016, 11:35:45 AM
I'm glad they've got the playoff but I wish it were eight teams
thats because you are a middle american sports fan and more than that a truly terrible person
Should I thank you for such a nice compliment?
And truly terrible person lolol
I mean why let it be decided on the field when you can have some computer spit out results
You're wrong. Like 100% wrong.
it should be 2 or 16
either make it super restrictive to the best 2 teams and be done with it or go 16, invite all conference champs and a few at larges and give home games for the first 2 weekends.
in that scenario temple would probably be playing at washington or michigan or something. BRING IT
these espn heads are giving me false hope that psu still might make it in.
Quote from: MDS on December 04, 2016, 12:25:23 PM
it should be 2 or 16
either make it super restrictive to the best 2 teams and be done with it or go 16, invite all conference champs and a few at larges and give home games for the first 2 weekends.
in that scenario temple would probably be playing at washington or michigan or something. BRING IT
You're an awful person too, I guess.
So much for the drama
no problem at all with dub but how do you put penn state ahead of Michigan but not in
bahaha no 5
next time dont cover up 30 years of child rape
big time corner just picked penn state over alabama
family business going strong.
Quote
Jeffrey Sandusky, the son of convicted sex abuser and former Penn State assistant football coach Jerry Sandusky, has been arrested on felony and misdemeanor child sexual abuse charges, according to court documents from the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania.
The younger Sandusky, 41, faces 14 counts, including sexual assault of a child older than 11, sexual assault of a child less than 16, and a variety of other sexual abuse and child pornography charges.
http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/19041184/penn-state-nittany-lions-trustee-little-sympathy-jerry-sandusky-victims
Goddamn pansy ass snowflake rape victims! Get over it!
GO LIONS!!
On that note, I saw this sticker on a car parked at the grocery store today. Not sure which is worse, the sticker itself or the placement of it. Moron put it on the rear passenger door window.
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We are [accessories to child rape].... because he was.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on March 30, 2017, 08:45:25 PM
Moron put it on the rear passenger door window.
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fitting since thats where a car seat would be
Real talk.
QuoteA Penn State University trustee has come under fire for sending a private email in which he minimized the suffering of more than 30 victims of convicted child molester and former assistant football coach Jerry Sandusky.
In an email to the Chronicle of Higher Education, Penn State trustee Al Lord stated that he was "[R]unning out of sympathy for 35 yr old, so-called victims with 7 digit net worth," referring to the 33 men who were awarded nearly $93 million in the wake of the scandal that severely damaged the university's reputation, according to Onward State.
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http://abcnews.go.com/US/penn-state-fraternity-18-students-charged-connection-pledges/story?id=47226888
always nice to see penn state in the news.
http://variety.com/2017/tv/news/al-pacino-joe-paterno-jerry-sandusky-hbo-movie-1202454096/
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 05, 2017, 03:28:42 PM
http://variety.com/2017/tv/news/al-pacino-joe-paterno-jerry-sandusky-hbo-movie-1202454096/
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Can't wait to hear Pacino's rendition of "I never heard of, of, rape and a man."
pacino
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Nice product placement for Nike. Just ignore it!
dont ever forget
http://www.phillyvoice.com/report-joe-paterno-admitted-he-heard-earlier-sandusky-sexual-abuse-claim/
https://www.si.com/college-football/2017/09/20/joe-moorhead-penn-state-offense-fordham
a wide ass toss sweep on the goal line is an awesome call
penn state wr's are going to be their downfall this year...they stink
nobody comes out of iowa alive
who gets the second half ball....I missed the beginning
Penn St
we are....losing to iowa
not saying penn state will score but Iowa scored too quick
Holy shtein
I've never heard a stadium go from deafening to complete silence so fast
iowa you either send the house or play coverage...i think they send 1 extra blitzer. garbage.
rape me in the showers
Mcsorely threw it into triple coverage. Perfect ball placement.
Quote from: SD on September 23, 2017, 11:32:21 PM
Mcsorely threw it into triple coverage. Perfect ball placement.
Which is funny since McSorley sucked most of the game.
He was horrible not just throwing the ball but on running and throwing reads. Not that they shouldn't lean on Barkley but he was his safety outlet on what seemed like 90% of the plays. A lot of the credit has to go to Iowa too, they had a consistent pass rush that forced Mcsorley to get rid of the ball before a play could develop, and when there was an open receiver they had their hands up blocking his throwing lane and knocking down passes.
So I guess this Barkley kid is pretty ok at football.
The offensive line's play in those last two drives might be the worst example of blocking ineptitude I've ever seen. Those motherfargers should be ashamed. And the play calling was equally awful.
They should have scratched the read option from the playbook. The D was in the backfield before the play could develop. Just call a straight run play to neutralize the pass rush. You might get an overpursuing D and Barkley could hit a seam and go. Deasean Hamilton should have been a bigger part of the game plan. Quick passing plays were working. Poor play calling.
But credit OSU, Barrett played his ass off and their DLine simply took over the game.
Quote from: rjs246 on October 22, 2017, 07:22:43 AM
So I guess this Barkley kid is pretty ok at football.
i
he had 44 yards on 21 carries
paterno movied was good except for the last 20 minutes which were over directed garbage
oh yea. he knew for decades and the entire university knew and nobody did anything because winning >>>
WE ARE complicit
not sure there's ever been a worse play call
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 29, 2018, 11:33:08 PM
not sure there's ever been a worse play call
Nothing remotely close comes to mind. My god franklin
Worst call since Paterno decided to not tell the cops.
I watched the game with Penn State Trumpers. Hearing those iceholes defend Paterno to their dying breaths makes me physically nauseated. One of them actually said no one really knows for sure if Sandusky raped little boys.
Um... just farging die already.
was that legit the play call or did someone just get confused
either way im happy because, you know, the child rape and all. so congrats to the school that protects domestic abusers. college > nfl
There were two timeouts so that had to be the legit play call.
It was a called RPO. So yeah the play call gave McSorley the option to hand it off. Makes sense on 2nd and 5 in the third quarter, makes zero sense on 4th and 5 with the game on the line against a superior line that had bottled up Sanders the whole game.
At the same time, the offensive line did get confused and didn't have anything really blocked up, so the three options built into the play all would have failed. Doomed play call from the start.
it wasnt an rpo...that's a straight run to me...unless you count every play Penn State runs an rpo cause they are never under center
in fact if it was an rpo then franklin should get no blame...almost every Penn State 3rd and long even if it's a +10 has Sanders next to Mcsorely and the play begins with fake handoff...that's not their rpo's
this was franklin overthinking things and trying to catch Ohio state off guard by gashing them up the gut
If that was an RPO and McSorley didn't pick the pass option with the way the defense was stacked, that's a big mistake on his part. I don't think it was either. Franklin went with the run all the way trying to catch Meyer off guard, and it failed miserably.
And Franklin's post-game excusefest was embarrassing too.
watch the interior of the offensive line and know you it was a straight run
they were trying to cash right up inside past d lineman running up field....problem was the end stunted and filled a potential run gap
We'll see if Franklin explains it more. From where I sit, it's a pre-snap RPO where the pass option is a screen. The screen to #12 wasn't there (likely would have gone there if OSU had 8 in the box), so going into the snap, it's handoff or keep.
Right before the snap the OSU LBs shifted toward where McSorley would have run and threw everything into disarray. Multiple linemen whiffed on their blocks because they weren't sure about what to do.
It's a terrible play call because they called a play with zero ability to throw the ball near or beyond the line to gain on the critical play in the game. It's a call that didn't give McSorley any opportunity to create. I'm skeptical Franklin would have made the call if he knew going into it that the ball was going to Sanders, but either way that's what the defense dictated, so it was terrible. Still had a chance to work if #71 gets a hand on his man but PSU wasn't really in a position to assume they will make all their blocks.
4th and 5
You have a Heisman hopeful under center.
You call for a play that, whether the original intent or not, ends up giving the ball to a runner who had barely averaged half the yardage you needed all night.
And you took two of your own timeouts, sandwiching one of OSU's, to come up with this.
Classic case of Franklin trying to out-think Meyer, only to end up out-thinking himself.
im confident in saying that theres never been two bigger back to back melts
WE ARE
james franklin got hilariously out coached at home had a week to prepare and michigan state was all banged up.....franklin is a great recruiter but just a travesty of a game coach
lol both announcers say how mcsorely cant even turn around to hand it off cause his knee is hurting his mobility and thats why he has passed it the first four downs of the half
next snap: 50 yard td run by trace mcsorely
They tried their best to blow that one but even their best wasn't good enough
Racist ass Dave
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PENNSYLTUCKY
Let; me guess an 'english' major.
homeboy hates muslims, the nba, the nfl and long hair on black dudes
https://www.tribdem.com/news/chip-minemyer-johnstown-man-s-letter-to-penn-state-player/article_e7e0908e-e9d4-11e9-9e21-cfd225b36641.html
sounds like half the eagle fan base
That's being generous. Most Eagles fans are douchebags. We're the exception. Mostly.
Quote from: MDS on October 08, 2019, 03:44:24 PM
homeboy hates muslims, the nba, the nfl and long hair on black dudes
https://www.tribdem.com/news/chip-minemyer-johnstown-man-s-letter-to-penn-state-player/article_e7e0908e-e9d4-11e9-9e21-cfd225b36641.html
Shocking.
Bet ya he also boycotted Nike too.
James Franklin is a farging cranial lump
you don't think taking a timeout right before a punt is a good idea?
ill say this about james franklin: he has not, to my knowledge, housed a child rapist on his staff
Six more years? I mean really??
Quote from: Rome on December 07, 2019, 06:06:09 AM
Six more years? I mean really??
They're consistently a top 10 team and they've flirted with playoffs. He makes a lot of dumb mistakes but overall he's done a solid job. Aside from getting Urban Meyer what better coach is available?
they could hire memphis' coach
penn st is a 2nd-3rd tier school. finishing in the top 20 and making a ny bowl is their ceiling. franklin does this. what more could you want. its state college not columbus.
Quote from: MDS on December 07, 2019, 09:55:38 AM
they could hire memphis' coach
penn st is a 2nd-3rd tier school. finishing in the top 20 and making a ny bowl is their ceiling. franklin does this. what more could you want. its state college not columbus.
What's your tier criteria? If it's top 10 they've finished inside the top 10 2 of the last 3 seasons and have been ranked in the top 5 a handful of times. They're a top 10 team this season and probably headed for the Rose Bowl. If your top tier criteria is elite team like Bama/the Ohio State they're definitely not in that class.
ohio st, bama, lsu, clemson are in a class and penn st is like 1000 rhythmic slappings behind them
FSU made a huge mistake with Taggart and they rectified that shtein quickly. They then set their eyes on the top guy available and (evidently) signed him to a requisite deal.
Elite programs do this.
https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/30299931/penn-state-journey-brown-retiring-football-due-heart-condition
That's a damn shame he was talented
https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/30349666/former-penn-state-football-player-says-coach-told-not-report-physical-fight-police
It never ends with that place. Just unbelievable.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbRUTHGLu9s&ab_channel=LennonFreeComedy
why does penn st even exist anymore
Not sure if anyone's been paying attention but penn state has been murdering their 2022 recruiting class
up to number 3 right now and they just signed another four star guy today
I have not been paying attention to Penn State's recruiting campaign, no.
I consider myself a five star guy, for the record.
Amazing thing about penn state is they had the worst scandal in college football history followed by their icon dying and they barely missed a beat. They're still a second tier team who competes annually.
The other thing that's pretty amazing is that the evolving story about Bo Schembechler sounds way worse than what happened with Paterno, and the number of boosters still trying to keep a lid on it seems higher too. The media also seems utterly disinterested compared to the firestorm over Penn State and Paterno.
I say this as a Michigan grad with no love for Penn State.
The Schembechler thing seems legit awful but I'm really not sure anyone can say it's worse than Sandusky. Or even close.
Still. Watching yet another fan base/alumni group try to hush up some horrific football-factory-program shtein is a reminder that people are the farging worst.
Quote from: rjs246 on July 16, 2021, 08:32:06 PM
The Schembechler thing seems legit awful but I'm really not sure anyone can say it's worse than Sandusky. Or even close.
I dunno man. The PSU cover-up charges have been basically thrown out by the court system and most of what Sandusky did was done after he was no longer employed there. The man himself was disgusting but the case against the school seems weaker to me than against UM.
Michigan was employing a guy who molested people for decades in the course of his job as a Michigan team doctor. Schembechler's own son told his dad he was molested by the team doctor, and Bo's response was to beat the shtein out of his son.
Sandusky raped his own adopted son.
The institutional issues are real but given the bottomless layers of protection that these programs enjoy I don't think we'll ever be able to say that one horrific, systemic criminal coverup committed by a football program is better, or meaningfully different, than another.
Fair point. It's a hard call which is worse, beating up your own child for telling you he was being molested, or raping someone else's child that's in your care.
I'm comfortable with calling both cases horrible.
But I have a gadfly instinct that wants to say some horribles are actually worse than others. I mean, I can't put them on a scientific scale, but I don't go for the idea that once it's beyond the pale, it's all the same. The depths are unfathomed. The worst is yet to come.
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Penn State's white hot recruiting summer continued on Thursday, as the Nittany Lions picked up their 11th commitment since July 3. The latest to join the nation's No. 2 recruiting class was Argyle (Texas) Liberty Christian athlete Cristian Driver, who announced his commitment live on CBSSports HQ.
The four-star prospect is the son of former NFL wide receiver Donald Driver, a Pro Bowler with the Green Bay Packers. The older Driver was coached by James Franklin for one season with the Packers in 2005.
"white hot" lol
It's kickoff and nobody knows if Cliffords playing
Hate the numbers on the helmets. Corny as farg
Craptastic Clifford is back. They're putrid right now.
https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/32700553/penn-state-nittany-lions-james-franklin-agree-new-10-year-contract
Bwahahahahahahahaha!!!
Quote from: Rome on November 23, 2021, 05:08:51 PM
https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/32700553/penn-state-nittany-lions-james-franklin-agree-new-10-year-contract
Bwahahahahahahahaha!
He had a lot of interest from big name schools. He's had PSU top 5 at some point almost annually. He does some shtein that's infuriating but overall he's one of the better college coaches.
Stop.
holy shtein this marganiassi take is worse than any politics one hes had
Quote from: MDS on November 23, 2021, 10:01:29 PM
holy shtein this marganiassi take is worse than any politics one hes had
Almost as bad as every one of your Phillies takes and Jalen Raegor scouting report. Your tv show recommendations are usually on point so you get credit for that
you're right
Penn state is never getting anyone better....you could do a lot worse than having a great recruiter....their current class is elite and better than Ohio states
Let Franklin get the players and make sure you surround him with great coordinators and you good
lol youre a complete nerd who worships stupid rankings of high school kids as if it means anything. nobody knows shtein...franklin can get all the "5 star" athletes he wants but he cant coach for shtein. penn st stunk last year and stinks again this year and theyll lose to ohio state every year. hes had great recruiting classes according to this pointless sites and then loses to illinois at home.
i hope you all enjoy going 7-5 from here to eternity
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 24, 2021, 10:39:21 AM
you're right
Penn state is never getting anyone better....you could do a lot worse than having a great recruiter....their current class is elite and better than Ohio states
Let Franklin get the players and make sure you surround him with great coordinators and you good
Thank you
I acknowledged he's infuriating but I can't think of anyone better. He had legit interest from other major schools too.
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Quote from: MDS on November 24, 2021, 11:27:42 AM
lol youre a complete nerd who worships stupid rankings of high school kids as if it means anything. nobody knows shtein...franklin can get all the "5 star" athletes he wants but he cant coach for shtein. penn st stunk last year and stinks again this year and theyll lose to ohio state every year. hes had great recruiting classes according to this pointless sites and then loses to illinois at home.
i hope you all enjoy going 7-5 from here to eternity
Definitely don't want good high school players cause they never turn into good college players
last 5 years ohio state, michigan and penn state always have the top ranked classes in the big 10. only 1 of them is any good. texas had the #3 class in 2018 and usc had the #4.
your rankings are worthless and mean absolutely nothing. franklin cant coach for shtein who cares if rivals sucks off his class
That's not true...Penn State has finished behind Wisconsin a couple times....Pretty sure Maryland outrecruited them last year or the year before as well...Their current class is legit top 5 in the country...
their problem is QB they for whatever reason cannot find/develop one
Quote from: MDS on November 24, 2021, 12:04:10 PM
last 5 years ohio state, michigan and penn state always have the top ranked classes in the big 10. only 1 of them is any good. texas had the #3 class in 2018 and usc had the #4.
your rankings are worthless and mean absolutely nothing. franklin cant coach for shtein who cares if rivals sucks off his class
penn state's requirements have gone down recently you can probably get accepted to main campus if you tried again now.
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 24, 2021, 12:14:08 PM
That's not true...Penn State has finished behind Wisconsin a couple times....Pretty sure Maryland outrecruited them last year or the year before as well...Their current class is legit top 5 in the country...
their problem is QB they for whatever reason cannot find/develop one
last year yea. i didnt look at that, just 18-20 because those are the bulk of the guys currently playing.
i dont care if they have the 100th or 1st ranked class, stop worshiping meaningless lists and look at the actual results
Quote from: MDS on November 24, 2021, 07:05:44 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 24, 2021, 12:14:08 PM
That's not true...Penn State has finished behind Wisconsin a couple times....Pretty sure Maryland outrecruited them last year or the year before as well...Their current class is legit top 5 in the country...
their problem is QB they for whatever reason cannot find/develop one
last year yea. i didnt look at that, just 18-20 because those are the bulk of the guys currently playing.
i dont care if they have the 100th or 1st ranked class, stop worshiping meaningless lists and look at the actual results
Actual results he's a top 10 coach
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Franklin has led his teams to three Top 10 finishes (3 at Penn State) and six Top 25 finishes (2 at Vanderbilt; 4 at Penn State).
In the last five seasons under Franklin, Penn State is one of six teams to rank in the top 12 of the CFP final rankings at least four times.
From 2016-19, Franklin led the Nittany Lions to three New Year's Six bowls - 2016 (Rose), 2017 (Fiesta) and 2019 (Cotton) - making Penn State one of eight teams to accomplish the feat during the four-year span. It also marked the first time Penn State as a program went to three New Year's Six bowls in four years since 1980-83 (1980 Fiesta, 1982 Fiesta ,1983 Sugar).
Franklin's squads won two New Year's Six bowl games in a three-year span (2017-19), making the Nittany Lions one of seven teams to do so. It also marked the first time PSU has won two New Year's Six bowl games in a three-year span since 1995 (Rose) and 1997 (Fiesta).
Franklin guided Penn State to back-to-back New Year's Six bowls in 2016 (Rose) and 2017 (Fiesta) for the first time since 1985 (Orange) and 1986 (Fiesta).
Penn State was ranked in the AP Top 25 for the 63 consecutive polls in which it was eligible from 2016-20, marking the third-longest streak in program history and longest streak since 1993-2000 when PSU was ranked for 121-straight weeks.
From 2016-19, Franklin led Penn State to 42 wins, the most in program history for the Big Ten era in a four-year span, and 28 league wins, a program record.
congrats on being on the 2nd or 3rd best team in the big 10 5 years ago
whens the parade
He's 10-20 range for ncaa coaches. That's Penn State level. JoePa hadn't won shtein since 86' (although they were robbed in 94') and he's frequently mentioned on the mount Rushmore of college coaches. If your argument is he's not Nick Saban I agree.
dabo turned friggin clemson into a powerhouse...cincinnati is in the playoff this year....michigan state (!) has been in the playoff. penn state has the resources and everything to get there, but wont. because theyve tied themselves to a crap coach.
if this what you want, great! i despise penn st. temple is irrelevant so rooting against them is my cfb rooting interest. so farg yea hire franklin for forever what do i care
Hell hath no fury like a Todd scorned
7 win season and finishing with a loss to a finished michigan st team
10 more years! 10 more years!
Nobody thought they'd be good this season...up until Clifford got injured they were the best team in a very tough Big 10. Did you date a girl from penn state who dumped you for your best friend?
always smart to give a coach a 10 year extension in the middle of a season where "nobody thought theyd be good"
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Ouchies.
Quote from: MDS on November 27, 2021, 08:30:10 PM
always smart to give a coach a 10 year extension in the middle of a season where "nobody thought theyd be good"
They were ranked 4th when Clifford got hurt. Weak argument
Gonna pretend someone didn't just post an Eskin tweet to make a point
lol i was quoting you! you said that!
So your argument is a team that wasn't supposed to be good but was in the national championship game conversation shows poor coaching? At least you didn't quote Eskin
Eskin is a piece of shtein. I can't stand him but it's newsworthy when a Philly pundit trashes a coach in that manner.
Still... 7-5. Right on schedule for James Franklin.
Quote from: TAFKASD on November 27, 2021, 09:16:44 PM
So your argument is a team that wasn't supposed to be good but was in the national championship game conversation shows poor coaching? At least you didn't quote Eskin
my argument is that franklin stinks and psu attaching itself to him for a decade is asinine...your argument is franklin is great even though hes been there for years and has built the program up to the point where they arent even supposed to be good this year
penn st fans are total cucks. accepting of mediocrity and fiercely defending their school against reality and sweeping losses under the rug like theyre rhythmic slapping in the shower.
honestly think id rather be temple. temple is barely a cfb team which is better than pretending to be one
Losing to the Spartans today was bad. Not as bad as getting worked by Bielema and Illinois but close
Quote from: MDS on November 27, 2021, 11:33:31 PM
Quote from: TAFKASD on November 27, 2021, 09:16:44 PM
So your argument is a team that wasn't supposed to be good but was in the national championship game conversation shows poor coaching? At least you didn't quote Eskin
my argument is that franklin stinks and psu attaching itself to him for a decade is asinine...your argument is franklin is great even though hes been there for years and has built the program up to the point where they arent even supposed to be good this year
penn st fans are total cucks. accepting of mediocrity and fiercely defending their school against reality and sweeping losses under the rug like theyre rhythmic slapping in the shower.
honestly think id rather be temple. temple is barely a cfb team which is better than pretending to be one
You think a lot about penn state. I'm sticking with the scorned lover theory
Started the season unranked
10-2...only 2 losses were to top 4 teams
Dominated the Rose bowl
Helluva coaching job Coach Franklin
5 star qb Allar, Singleton...tackles Olu Fashanu (probably a top 15 pick if he came out this year), Caden Wallace/Shelton etc. back on the o line...Abdul Carter leading the D. Should be national champion contenders next season.
3rd best team in their own division aint getting you to the playoff
i will, and remember this post, eat a bowl full of marginassi's turds if penn st makes the playoff
Four-star cornerback Jon Mitchell of Jacksonville (FL) Mandarin High announced his commitment to Penn State Saturday morning.
The 6-foot, 175 pounder chose the Nittany Lions over Notre Dame, Miami, Alabama, and Florida State.
QuoteOh, Hello: Four-Star Offensive Lineman Donovan Harbour Commits to Penn State
Large human beings who are mean, nasty, and athletic tend to make good offensive linemen. Donovan Harbour is all three of these things
Quote from: Hurts_Defense_Superbowl on January 02, 2023, 08:47:07 PMStarted the season unranked
10-2...only 2 losses were to top 4 teams
Dominated the Rose bowl
Helluva coaching job Coach Franklin
5 star qb Allar, Singleton...tackles Olu Fashanu (probably a top 15 pick if he came out this year), Caden Wallace/Shelton etc. back on the o line...Abdul Carter leading the D. Should be national champion contenders next season.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 03, 2023, 04:06:21 PM3rd best team in their own division aint getting you to the playoff
this cfb genius still around?
Quote from: MDS on January 03, 2023, 04:34:14 PMi will, and remember this post, eat a bowl full of marginassi's turds if penn st makes the playoff
not that i was ever scared, but
Done with Franklin. Good recruiter horrible coach.
Probably knew this at some point but Trotter has another son named Josiah who plays LB for West Virginia...he's not bad either
huge W over a bunch of white people for the fightin sandusky's
theres gonna be rhythmic slapping in the shower tonight!
Temple looked good yesterday...thought they'd cover the 42 point spread
playoff appearances
temple - 0
penn state - 0