NFL Network tonight at 7 8)
I'm sure there will be a lot of exciting new information to be had from that interview.
McNabb, like Reid, is usually very forthcoming.
Yeah, since it's a national interview, it'll probably be his usual monotone cliche-riddled stuff, but I guess he'll talk about his rehab and the TO situation...getting back to the #1 seed....yada yada yada....
Maybe we'll get lucky, and a drunken Andy Hall will crash the interview.
Quote from: FFatPatt on January 31, 2006, 05:54:57 PM
Maybe we'll get lucky, and a drunken Andy Hall will crash the interview.
haha..."Dshooo YOU kknow who I-AM?
*collapse*
I wonder how many times we'll hear "for the ladies...again...as leader of this team...try to be consistent...next year go out there on the field and play like we're capable of playing...I wish TO the best...no hard feelings" during the interview...or him winking.
Yeah, I think I just did the interview.
QuoteMcNabb says rehab 'going great'; addresses T.O.
By Len Pasquarelli
ESPN.com
DETROIT -- Still recovering mentally and physically from the most difficult season of his NFL career, Philadelphia Eagles quarterback Donovan McNabb said Tuesday afternoon that his rehabilitation from sports hernia surgery is "going great" and that he expects to participate in the team's offseason program.
"I've been rehabilitating for the last four to six weeks and I've taken big strides," said McNabb, after making a promotional appearance in conjunction with Super Bowl week. "The good thing about this is that we have some time. I don't have to rush things. So it's just a matter of going through the process. [But] it should be fine."
The Eagles' star underwent surgery, performed by Dr. William Meyers at the Hahnemann Hospital in Philadelphia, on Nov. 28. He was off his feet for three weeks following the procedure and has been rehabilitating ever since at the team's NovaCare Complex. At some point in the next few weeks, McNabb said, he will go to Arizona, where he usually spends his offseasons, and continue his recovery there.
McNabb, 29, looked fit during an appearance that also featured Pittsburgh running back Jerome Bettis and the mothers of the two players. Notable, though, is that McNabb did not run onto the stage area when he was introduced, as did the others. He walked out slowly, but seemed to move well while participating in some of the "competitions" that were a part of the promotion.
In what was an injury-plagued season, McNabb appeared in only nine games in 2005, and completed 211 of 357 passes for 2,507 yards, with 16 touchdown passes, nine interceptions and an efficiency rating of 85.0. It is believed he first sustained the sports hernia injury in training camp, at which point Dr. Meyers began to monitor it, and the situation just got progressively worse.
The last appearance for McNabb in 2005 was the Monday night home loss to Dallas on Nov. 14, a game in which he was blocked to the ground by Cowboys linebacker Bradie James as safety Roy Williams returned an interception for the game-winning touchdown. Shortly after that, McNair was placed on injured reserve, and then he had the surgery two weeks later.
"That was the game where I just couldn't do it anymore," McNabb said. "There is a difference between being injured and being hurt and, in that game, I was hurt. I tore four tendons in my groin. I always felt like nothing could stop me from achieving my goals, but that injury did."
McNabb emphasized he is ready to resume his role as the Eagles' leader and help the club rebound from a dismal 6-10 record. Philadelphia finished last in the NFC East in 2005 after winning the division the four previous seasons and advancing to Super Bowl XXXIX in 2004.
"We all know what happened [last year]," McNabb said. "Individually, it's my role to establish with my teammates that I'm around and I'm working hard. But it's going to take all of us understanding what happened to us last year to get [back on track]."
Asked about reports that personal nemesis Terrell Owens visited with Denver Broncos coach Mike Shanahan on Monday, McNabb called the recalcitrant wide receiver "a great player. If he goes [to Denver], the people there should be excited." But when asked what kind of advice he might provide Jake Plummer if Denver was to acquire Owens in a trade or perhaps in free agency, McNabb said any such counsel would remain between he and the Broncos' quarterback.
QuoteThe last appearance for McNabb in 2005 was the Monday night home loss to Dallas on Nov. 14, a game in which he was blocked to the ground by Cowboys linebacker Bradie James as safety Roy Williams returned an interception for the game-winning touchdown. Shortly after that, McNair was placed on injured reserve, and then he had the surgery two weeks later.
Nice editing job.
Quote"That was the game where I just couldn't do it anymore," McNabb said. "There is a difference between being injured and being hurt and, in that game, I was hurt. I tore four tendons in my groin. I always felt like nothing could stop me from achieving my goals, but that injury did."
This quote should be given to all of the idiots who said that McNabb wasn't really hurt and that he quit.
4 tendons! 4!
Thats the man right there. Get on the Don-o-van, Bill Maas is driving!
I am going to kill you and Bill Maas. Die. >:D
(http://images.nfl.com/images/nfleurope/2001/week22/05312001_maas.jpg)
Nobody kills me. Not when I have the protection of Sam Rosen's giant nose.
Quote from: MDS on January 31, 2006, 09:34:12 PM
Thats the man right there. Get on the Don-o-van, Bill Maas is driving!
Die. Sperm. Die.
I was reading the out of town papers this year and when I got to the Panthers articles there was a guy who blasted Bill Maas. Then..the next day the guysays that he offended Maas because Maas e-mailed him and asked him why he hated him. Then Bill proceeded to break down his analytical skills and say why he doesn't suck.
Bottom line ... he sucks. A true master of the obvious. And Sam Rosen is a stinkin Rangers fan so he sucks too.
Rosen + Maas = Rosenmaas
Quote from: Sgt PSN on January 31, 2006, 09:45:13 PM
Rosen + Maas = Rosenmaas
you should become asian you are that good at math
(http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20060131/capt.mips10101312220.super_bowl_football_mips101.jpg)
riiight... :-\
^^^
"Please let me wear the ring! PLEASE!"
Quote from: MDS on January 31, 2006, 10:46:30 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on January 31, 2006, 09:45:13 PM
Rosen + Maas = Rosenmaas
you should become asian you are that good at math
I put in an application a couple years ago but was denied because my driving skills were too good.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on February 01, 2006, 09:10:49 AM
Quote from: MDS on January 31, 2006, 10:46:30 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on January 31, 2006, 09:45:13 PM
Rosen + Maas = Rosenmaas
you should become asian you are that good at math
I put in an application a couple years ago but was denied because my driving skills were too good.
But strangely, you met the maximum height restrictions.
Zing!
:-D
DMac is a guest on NFL Live
Quote from: DemonchildrenOnTurf on February 01, 2006, 01:09:44 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on February 01, 2006, 09:10:49 AM
Quote from: MDS on January 31, 2006, 10:46:30 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on January 31, 2006, 09:45:13 PM
Rosen + Maas = Rosenmaas
you should become asian you are that good at math
I put in an application a couple years ago but was denied because my driving skills were too good.
But strangely, you met the maximum height restrictions.
I am the maximum height restriction. Seriously......outside the Asian Application Office, they have a ninja holding his sword straight out and it says "You may not be taller than this line to ride this ride." and it's exactly my height.
Yao Ming is currently under review and faces possible ejection from the Asian Nation. He's currently got a waiver request pending.
If it doesn't go through, I understand that Belize is the front runner to get him.
Apparently DMac did an interview for ESPN and mentioned "black on black crime" and compared TO's apology to the Kings of Comedy and Dave Chapelle's show
Just saw bits and pieces of it...Nabby basically said, as I took it, when TO was spouting off about we'd be 7-0 with Favre, he saw that on ESPN when he was going to go to bed and laughed it off. Woke up the next day and went to the training room, saw it with the team...volume was low and the team was like...what did he just say, and McNabb said, "oh, we'd be undefeated with Favre" and the locker room went silent as if to say, "are...you...kidding...me? That's unreal." Most of it was kinda blah blah stuff you get from McNabb anyway, nothing really 'charged', everything was said pretty matter-of-factly.
Just kinda hoped he didn't remind the Broncos/Chiefs about the douchebag until he was on their team.
Just read the ESPN interview with McNabb. I don't really know what to say. He's saying that it didn't really affect him but that it affected the locker room and that people weren't taking responsibility for their own play. I'll be happy when TO is gone for several reasons, but as a fan the biggest reason is that I'm sick of Mc Nabb doing interviews. I would be happier if he wasn't in the media all the goddamned time. His laid back attitude is just a bit too much to see all the time. Whether its good or bad I don't know, but it doesn't come off as Strong and I think that that takes away from his stature.
He's got quite the surfer attitude...dude.
Quote from: rjs246 on February 01, 2006, 09:35:58 PM
that people weren't taking responsibility for their own play.
From what I heard and understand, teammates were all kind of 'watching' TO and the TO situation and relying on TO or waiting for TO to do something. So instead of doing something (positive - like make plays) for themself, they were just bystanders the entire season. Not sure how much I believe it or how much I think it affected the team but...
Quote from: rjs246 on February 01, 2006, 09:35:58 PMHe's saying that it didn't really affect him but that it affected the locker room and that people weren't taking responsibility for their own play.
This smacks of truth. I watched those games, that's exactly how they played.
Quote from: rjs246 on February 01, 2006, 09:35:58 PM...everything else the Jerk said
The dude is milquetoast by definition. But if he wins the big game once, all is forgiven. I used to be absolutely convinced that he would win a Super Bowl with Reid, and last year broke my heart. But the fact is that he's good. Milquetoast and good. I'm no longer certain---it's never been more clear--you don't just get there. Still. He's the best the Eagles have ever had, and he's got a great chance if anyone does. So what the hell? I'll assume the best of him and farg the rest.
Also, this is just goddamned weird and, coming from the mouth of somone I want to like and support, embarassing (if it's accurately reported):
link (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2315565)
Quote"Some things you have to put under your belt a little bit. Some things you blow off your shoulder. That was a particular instance that I definitely blew off my shoulder. ... Brett is someone I enjoy watching ... but to say that when things aren't going well for us here in Philadelphia, to say that, I was like, 'Oh my god, are you kidding me?' So you're blowing it off your shoulder. You remember. Always remember. Just like the man says, you forgive but don't forget. I never forget. Everything that's happened, it may look like it doesn't bother me, but I always remember. I'll always remember what happened this season.
"In that situation, it was kinda like, 'That's unreal.' That's just like me saying, 'If we had Steve Largent, if we had Joe Jurevicius, we'd be undefeated. He'll now have to answer the question for the whole week about me saying it."
McNabb's selection of two white receivers was not by accident. He took Owens' choice of Favre as disrespectful to McNabb as an African-American quarterback.
I have to admit, he takes the race thing entirely to far at times. I normally won't even comment on this sort of shtein but it is getting a little sickening. I'm beginning to think that every ill he has or will have he justifies with the race card. When a person starts doing that they stop being objective and basically have a built in excuse about everything.
Donovan's not alone in the spurious-use-of-the-race-card category here. That idiot from the NAACP and Rush Limbaugh find themselves in unusually strange company with him, I'm sure. Tea, gentlemen?
QuoteMcNabb's selection of two white receivers was not by accident. He took Owens' choice of Favre as disrespectful to McNabb as an African-American quarterback
I'm guessing this is the part that you think is embarassing. I don't think that's accurately reported though. I think McNabb would be offended by TO saying that Favre would have the Eagles playing better than McNabb because Favre is not a great QB anymore. Not because Favre is white.
You could insert any black QB of less talent than McNabb and I think you'd still get the same reaction. Insert Kordella, Brooks, McNair, etc and McNabb would probably take it the same way.
I like Michael Smith but I think he may be doing a little too much speculating and not enough fact finding on that one.
Quote from: Diomedes on February 01, 2006, 10:51:26 PM
Donovan's not alone in the spurious-use-of-the-race-card category here. That idiot from the NAACP and Rush Limbaugh find themselves in unusually strange company with him, I'm sure. Tea, gentlemen?
I found it more humorous that the guy from the NAACP was being "more" racist than Limbaugh, if you can quantify this sort of thing. Maybe if DMac would have called the draft booing racially motivated, we wouldn't have to put up with Angelo and Co. anymore.
If we had Joe Jurevicius, though, we might have won another game or two. Or he'd have been injured and made no difference whatsoever.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on February 01, 2006, 10:53:28 PMI like Michael Smith but I think he may be doing a little too much speculating and not enough fact finding on that one.
As I said:
Quote from: Diomedes on February 01, 2006, 10:41:51 PM(if it's accurately reported)
Quote from: General_Failure on February 01, 2006, 10:55:21 PM
If we had Joe Jurevicius, though, we might have won another game or two. Or he'd have been injured and made no difference whatsoever.
If we had Jurevicius there would have been drunk idiots in the stands talking about his dead kid some more.
Quote from: Diomedes on February 01, 2006, 10:56:48 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on February 01, 2006, 10:53:28 PMI like Michael Smith but I think he may be doing a little too much speculating and not enough fact finding on that one.
As I said:
Quote from: Diomedes on February 01, 2006, 10:41:51 PM(if it's accurately reported)
I know what you said. I was just throwing in my $.02 by saying that I don't think it's accurate. I just read that part of the article again and it seems to me like he's "tying" the Favre comments in with the comments from the NAACP jackass.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on February 01, 2006, 10:57:24 PM
Quote from: General_Failure on February 01, 2006, 10:55:21 PM
If we had Joe Jurevicius, though, we might have won another game or two. Or he'd have been injured and made no difference whatsoever.
If we had Jurevicius there would have been drunk idiots in the stands talking about his dead kid some more.
Probably. And they probably would have gotten their asses kicked, since it's not cool to rag on white Eagles that don't play QB.
i just caught it on espn. him pulling the race card was pretty lame. TO's black so, what. he said, a white qb is better then you.. so, what. last time i checked at least St. Favre has a ring. stfu and prove him wrong dumb ass.
i thought your Mr. Joe cool, why would it bother you. seems he doesn't know what to take seriously, and what not to.
I watched that particular piece and think Michael Smith is reaching. It could have started connecting previous reports with TO calling Ozzie racist...then it went to (in the MS report) TO calling Don a 'company man' and something like black quarterbacks should not sell themselves out and not run. But Don was injured (him not tucking and running regardless of injury I guess could still be debated...). Then it got sidetracked that Favre is a white qb and plays like one, then MS throws in rush, NAACP, throw in McNabb threw out two whitey's and it looks like a white v black thing instead of Favre the player vs 5 the player.
Ah farg it. farging off-season. They should all just chill out and call Mike Jones. 281-330-8004.
Quote from: L-ong-B-each-I-ggle on February 01, 2006, 11:00:57 PM
i just caught it on espn. him pulling the race card was pretty lame. TO's black so, what. he said, a white qb is better then you.. so, what. last time i checked at least St. Favre has a ring. stfu and prove him wrong dumb ass.
i thought your Mr. Joe cool, why would it bother you. seems he doesn't know what to take seriously, and what not to.
If you go back to the Owens interview, where he trumpted Favre as being the Eagles' saviour, he said, "Farve BRINGS A KNOWLEDGE TO THE QB POSITION..." Now to me, that's what McNabb was offended about and probably should have gone a little bit in detail about that. To me, that's questioning McNabb's intelligence, even though his regular season winning situation is sterling and he continues to be 2nd in NFL history for TD/INT ratio. To me, that remark also brought back memories of what former Dodger GM Al Campanis said about 20 years ago in an interview on why there were no black managers in the game: "Because they lack the basic necessities to be successful."
It's a damn shame McNabb brought up the race issue. Maybe all the stuff Rush, NAACP dude, T.O. said just all got to him in that moment. Even so, I lost a little bit of respect for D-Mac today.
When I saw the interview the first thing I thought was, "Oooh... it's gonna be a good ol' time on CF tonight!"
I think the only reason that his comments on the whole Favre thing is because I don't think he made himself clear enough. IMO, McNabb's problem with the Favre thing has to do with TO saying that ANY QB is better for the Eagles than he is. That includes Brady, Manning, Vick , Culpepper... whoever. When he made the "black on black crime" comment, I think he was referring to the "company man" comment from TO and the "Sellout" comments from the NCAAP dickhead.
I think if McNabb had made it more clear that the Favre thing had more to do with Favre's on the field play and the disrespect that TO displayed by throwing him under the bus for ANY OTHER QB, this whole thing wouldn't be being blown up like this.
Quote from: henchmanUK on February 02, 2006, 05:38:55 AM
It's a damn shame McNabb brought up the race issue. Maybe all the stuff Rush, NAACP dude, T.O. said just all got to him in that moment. Even so, I lost a little bit of respect for D-Mac today.
Why?
I don't see how he could have avoided talking about Race. When talking about Rush, the NCAAP guy and TO's comments toward him, which were all racially motivated, how else could he respond? These people brought race into the equation when they decided to criticize McNabb, using terms like sellout, company man, etc. Smith was asking him about all these incidents. Not just the Favre thing. To accurately address the issue... McNabb
has to talk about race.
Quote from: EagleFeva on February 02, 2006, 05:55:37 AM
Quote from: henchmanUK on February 02, 2006, 05:38:55 AM
It's a damn shame McNabb brought up the race issue. Maybe all the stuff Rush, NAACP dude, T.O. said just all got to him in that moment. Even so, I lost a little bit of respect for D-Mac today.
Why?
I don't see how he could have avoided talking about Race. When talking about Rush, the NCAAP guy and TO's comments toward him, which were all racially motivated, how else could he respond? These people brought race into the equation when they decided to criticize McNabb, using terms like sellout, company man, etc. Smith was asking him about all these incidents. Not just the Favre thing. To accurately address the issue... McNabb has to talk about race.
Yeah, that's fair enough. I didn't see the interview but, of course, if he was
asked about it then he has to talk about it. But the Favre comment, the way I took TO's initial remarks was that it was just Favre, nothing to do with the fact that he was white. This comment is what annoyed me.
Quote"It's different to say, 'If we had Michael Vick or Daunte Culpepper or Steve McNair or Byron Leftwich," McNabb said of four black starting quarterbacks. "But to go straight to Brett Favre, that kind of just slapped me in the face like, 'Wow ..."'
So it would have been okay to say Vick, Culpepper, McNair or Leftwich are better than you?
Quote from: henchmanUK on February 02, 2006, 06:13:36 AM
Quote from: EagleFeva on February 02, 2006, 05:55:37 AM
Quote from: henchmanUK on February 02, 2006, 05:38:55 AM
It's a damn shame McNabb brought up the race issue. Maybe all the stuff Rush, NAACP dude, T.O. said just all got to him in that moment. Even so, I lost a little bit of respect for D-Mac today.
Why?
I don't see how he could have avoided talking about Race. When talking about Rush, the NCAAP guy and TO's comments toward him, which were all racially motivated, how else could he respond? These people brought race into the equation when they decided to criticize McNabb, using terms like sellout, company man, etc. Smith was asking him about all these incidents. Not just the Favre thing. To accurately address the issue... McNabb has to talk about race.
Yeah, that's fair enough. I didn't see the interview but, of course, if he was asked about it then he has to talk about it. But the Favre comment, the way I took TO's initial remarks was that it was just Favre, nothing to do with the fact that he was white. This comment is what annoyed me.Quote"It's different to say, 'If we had Michael Vick or Daunte Culpepper or Steve McNair or Byron Leftwich," McNabb said of four black starting quarterbacks. "But to go straight to Brett Favre, that kind of just slapped me in the face like, 'Wow ..."'
So it would have been okay to say Vick, Culpepper, McNair or Leftwich are better than you?
Again... it has to do with TO's previous comments about calling him a company man and all that. A guy calls you something like that... it kind of echoes in whatever they say. McNabb says it could have been different with Vick, Leftwich, etc. because then it's clear you're only talking about his abilities as a quarterback. It's not a stretch to think that TO's Favre comments had a racial undertone to them as well... considering the racial comments that he'd already made against McNabb.
Quote from: EagleFeva on February 02, 2006, 06:38:05 AM
Quote from: henchmanUK on February 02, 2006, 06:13:36 AM
Quote from: EagleFeva on February 02, 2006, 05:55:37 AM
Quote from: henchmanUK on February 02, 2006, 05:38:55 AM
It's a damn shame McNabb brought up the race issue. Maybe all the stuff Rush, NAACP dude, T.O. said just all got to him in that moment. Even so, I lost a little bit of respect for D-Mac today.
Why?
I don't see how he could have avoided talking about Race. When talking about Rush, the NCAAP guy and TO's comments toward him, which were all racially motivated, how else could he respond? These people brought race into the equation when they decided to criticize McNabb, using terms like sellout, company man, etc. Smith was asking him about all these incidents. Not just the Favre thing. To accurately address the issue... McNabb has to talk about race.
Yeah, that's fair enough. I didn't see the interview but, of course, if he was asked about it then he has to talk about it. But the Favre comment, the way I took TO's initial remarks was that it was just Favre, nothing to do with the fact that he was white. This comment is what annoyed me.Quote"It's different to say, 'If we had Michael Vick or Daunte Culpepper or Steve McNair or Byron Leftwich," McNabb said of four black starting quarterbacks. "But to go straight to Brett Favre, that kind of just slapped me in the face like, 'Wow ..."'
So it would have been okay to say Vick, Culpepper, McNair or Leftwich are better than you?
Again... it has to do with TO's previous comments about calling him a company man and all that. A guy calls you something like that... it kind of echoes in whatever they say. McNabb says it could have been different with Vick, Leftwich, etc. because then it's clear you're only talking about his abilities as a quarterback. It's not a stretch to think that TO's Favre comments had a racial undertone to them as well... considering the racial comments that he'd already made against McNabb.
Yeah, I can see that as well. Would have liked to have seen the interview.
I agree with others who are critical of Donovan for turning this into a race issue. I know he's been subject to criticism based on race from the likes of Rush Limbaugh and that Philly NAACP guy, but Terrell Owens was simply saying Brett Favre was a better quarterback than him. It had nothing to do with race, religion, shoe size, or anything BUT quarterbacking skills. Personally, I think Donovan sounded like a douche-nozzle.
You're entitled to that opinion, but no one had just called you a sellout to influence the way you interpreted things.
Quote from: EagleFeva on February 02, 2006, 07:49:48 AM
You're entitled to that opinion, but no one had just called you a sellout to influence the way you interpreted things.
Who, exactly, had *just* called Donovan a sellout? Owens comments were made 3 months ago, and Donovan chose to respond as such NOW? The NAACP guy's comments are also old news, and he already responded to that. It's retarded and ridiculous if he would let that influence him to call Owens' comments "black on black crime".
Only good thing that can come of this is that teams may look at the interview and realize D-Mac is a bit "off" and be more willing to cut T.O. a break for his behavior and give the Eagles some decent compensation for him.
mcnabb is turning into an emabarassment right before my eyes...and for a guy that i used to love its really sad
this bitch sits around for SIX MONTHS from the beginning of training camp until TO was suspended and essential says nothing in order to quell the situation...then AFTER the season is over and the eagles are trying to get this past them he open his fat mouth not only about TO but about his teammates...unbelievable...
regardless of how you thought mcnabb handled the whole TO thing the one thing you coudl say was that he bring himself down to the circus level that TO and others were on...he carried himself with dignity and respect....now hes throwing all that away for what??...i dont get why hes doing all this now
but Terrell Owens was simply saying Brett Favre was a better quarterback than him. It had nothing to do with race
exactly....TO was just trying to piss off the organization and farves name is the one that got brought up in the interview...TO isnt smart enough to have some race baiting master plan...
I was pissed I stayed up late until they aired that chunk of the interview on SportsCenter.
Agreeing with Michael Irvin pissed me off too. FAARRRRGGGG you, Donovan. Keep your hole shut next time.
No, he should talk. But he should not interject race into it. I haven't lost respect for him and no one else should either. Like I said yesterday...the guy never speaks candidly. When he finally comes out of his shell a little bit he went at it just a little differently that I would've liked to see. He should've said everything else he said other than the "black on black" crime thing. That was not right to say, IMO.
Morganti said it best this morning...you shouldn't say that when lobbing barbs at each other from your manicured Moorestown mansions. He was talking about both TO and Donovan.
By the way...those 3 interviews were in his contract with Campbell's. So its not like he just decided to come strong like that on his own accord. He opened up and said what he needed to say and that's that.
Quote from: FFatPatt on February 02, 2006, 07:58:43 AM
Quote from: EagleFeva on February 02, 2006, 07:49:48 AM
You're entitled to that opinion, but no one had just called you a sellout to influence the way you interpreted things.
Who, exactly, had *just* called Donovan a sellout? Owens comments were made 3 months ago, and Donovan chose to respond as such NOW? The NAACP guy's comments are also old news, and he already responded to that. It's retarded and ridiculous if he would let that influence him to call Owens' comments "black on black crime".
Only good thing that can come of this is that teams may look at the interview and realize D-Mac is a bit "off" and be more willing to cut T.O. a break for his behavior and give the Eagles some decent compensation for him.
Yeah, but TO's company man comments and his Favre comments weren't 3 months apart. That's what I meant by "just" making the comments.
Think about it, everyone around here calls IGY a wigga and all that other stuff... ridiculing the way he "talks". Knowing that... would it be crazy of him to think that an insult concerning say, the type of music he may like might not have some sort of racial undertone to it?
The point is that if he is ignorant and/or childish enough to throw race into the conversation than no, he shouldn't talk. It's embarrassing to him, the team and fans. Athletes are farging morons. They should be seen, not heard.
Quote from: EagleFeva on February 02, 2006, 08:23:06 AM..everyone around here calls IGY a wigga...
Not everyone. I prefer
wiggy. ;)
Personally I think the whole situation is out of control, and the media is partly to blame. You have to look at McNabb's upbringing to blame him for this. It's part of his personality. And when I say to it, it's the race card. His father played it earlier when all this first started. And McNabb is so close to his parents it's hard for someone to 'break out' of that.
Also, you never know what was said behind the scenes so TO may have made a comment earlier to McNabb about Farve or a white QB which led McNabb to believe that TO's comments were a race issue.
Let's just enjoy the football aspect of the Eagles, and NOT the political BS that is now associated with them.
Quote from: mikey418 on February 02, 2006, 08:31:40 AM
Personally I think the whole situation is out of control, and the media is partly to blame.
Well, of course...but blame is the wrong word. The media is doing what the media always does. They sell ad space, and to do that they need ratings, and they'll manufacture as much drama as possible to get the viewers they need. I hate that, but that's clearly the way it works. So, if you don't want to be pulled into the drama...don't offer up stuff to the media. If you do, you're to blame.
i'm certainly seeing more of Donovan McNabb than I am of Brett Farve this week.
I love Brett Favre. He's my hero.
DMAC and TO, step in the Octagon and lets get it on.
Quote from: MURP on February 02, 2006, 08:58:45 AM
DMAC and TO, step in the Octagon and lets get it on.
(http://chronicle.augusta.com/images/headlines/031101/Judge_Mills_Lane.jpg)
Quote from: rjs246 on February 02, 2006, 08:24:37 AM
The point is that if he is ignorant and/or childish enough to throw race into the conversation than no, he shouldn't talk. It's embarrassing to him, the team and fans. Athletes are farging morons. They should be seen, not heard.
AAAAAAAAA-men.
it was wack on wack crime.
the race crap is irrelevant...its a non issue
the real issue is where was mcnabb and his mouth all during the saga...why didnt he step up then and talk ish to people...try to squash the beef back in the summer...fall...ect....
i have a problem with his soft batch ass coming out superbowl week and dropping bombs...its friggin over now....why cant he come up with his vanilla answers now..."that was the past"...."i prefer to look towards have a great 2006 season with the teammates i have now"
its also the way he does it...hes such a little baby the way he carries himself....wahhhh ive been criticized for eight years...wahhhh TO said brett farve was better than me....be a friggin man for once
i wish 5 waited until the day after TO was traded to bash him.
He got out what he wanted to say and lets hope he moves on. Keep on rehabbing, talk to whoever he needs to talk to and get ready to win some football games. Because none of this shtein matters in August - February 2007.
i hate the farging offseason.
QuoteHicks believes McNabb has moved on
Bob Grotz
Times Staff
02/02/2006
The separation in the Eagles locker room Donovan McNabb spoke of in Detroit is news to a teammate he chatted with recently. Guard Artis Hicks said his quarterback "looked like the same old Donovan" around the Eagles' dressing room the past couple of weeks, showing no ill effects from the criticism inflicted last season by Terrell Owens, who subsequently was kicked off the team.
"Donovan was running around, joking and doing the same old things he's always done," Hicks said. "It doesn't seem like he's been fazed by it. Everybody in that locker room knows who the leader is -- it's No. 5. To be totally honest, I think sometimes the media makes a lot more out of it than we do."
McNabb's published remarks at Super Bowl XL suggested the Eagles' "captain of the ship" was concerned with the morale of his crew.
In particular, McNabb wasn't thrilled a group of teammates he declined to identify wanted Owens to return to the Eagles after Andy Reid suspended the disgruntled talent four games for conduct detrimental to the team. Several teammates later attended the 32nd birthday part of Owens in Atlantic City.
Owens was deactivated the last five games of the season and won't be back with the Eagles in 2006. The Birds gave Owens and his agent permission to arrange a trade. The Kansas City Chiefs reportedly joined the growing field of suitors.
Attempts to reach McNabb were unsuccessful. In an ESPN interview McNabb reacted to criticism leveled by Owens with an adage.
"Forgive but don't forget," McNabb said. "I never forget. I always remember."
McNabb, lest Eagles fans forget, was booed on draft day by a small but vocal group that wanted the club to draft running back Ricky Williams with the second overall pick. McNabb used the snub as motivation.
In that respect, McNabb may never have closure.
Hicks thinks the quarterback got some relief when the Birds suspended Owens before their eighth game. The Eagles finished 6-10 after a 4-3 start with Owens.
"When they made the decision to deactivate (Owens), I think that gave Donovan some closure," Hicks said. "I think that took some of the pressure off of him. Looking back on it, that situation was dividing the locker room. Speaking for myself, I didn't fully realize it until later because I was focused on trying to do my job."
It's early but Hicks likes the vibes in the Birds' locker room. He senses a dramatic turnaround.
"I think everybody has to look in the mirror," Hicks said. "I think it's a matter of everybody getting back together and everybody getting healthy."
Hicks will say anything to keep his job.
i'm just waiting for Greg Richmond to chime in
Quote from: Sun_Mo on February 02, 2006, 09:34:35 AM
i'm just waiting for Greg Richmond to come off the injured list for the first time ever
Right.
I just read the entire thing on ESPn and I have to admit...I liked a lot of what McNabb said. The only beef I had was the black on black statement.
I especially liked him saying some guys had a big head from going to the SB. That directly coincides, in my opinion, of why many teams struggle after SB seasons. I do not recall where I heard this, butI found it very interesting....someone said that nowadays BOTH teams are celebrated as winners because they just reach the SB. So much attention is given to the two who make it that when its all said and done even the losers still feel like they accomplished something. And I think that might be right on.
So I am glad he said what he said. Ego check for everyone who wears wings on their helmet in Philadelphia and the coaching staff who didn't prepare well enough.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on February 02, 2006, 09:34:35 AM
i'm just waiting for Greg Richmond to chime in
You know
he's ready to drop some bombs. :-D
Well, here's ome interesting excerpts from that interview that I don't see posted here. Mainly for those guys who said that McNabb never "confronted" Owens about anything:
Deep-seeded roots
The one-sided feud, McNabb revealed, actually had its roots in Week 12 of the 2004 season, at the end of an otherwise innocuous play against the Giants.
"Not a lot of people would know about this because [Owens] had a great season, everything went well, everybody's smiling and enjoying themselves," McNabb said, "but I believe it was the third play of the game. We had an 'all-go' call, dropped back five steps, looked downfield, at that time I didn't feel he came open, and checked it down to [Brian] Westbrook. It was an incomplete pass."
Alas, it was the beginning of one of the strangest sports soap operas in recent memory.
"He came back, 'Hey, I was open, throw the ball!' Me being into the game, [I said] 'Hey, get in the huddle man.' In different words, obviously. He continued to talk about how he was open, throw the ball. And it [led] to me using some language that's really not suitable for the kids. But I'm into the game. I'm running the huddle. This is my show. I'm going to see you a lot of plays and some plays I won't see you. That led to us talking in the locker room. I don't argue. I feel as men we can talk. Voices are going to get raised. But we can talk as men and when the conversation is over we understand each other.
"I didn't get tired [in the Super Bowl]. I took a couple of hits," McNabb said in response to one of T.O.'s famous jabs.
"I called him a couple of days later just to get back on the same page. I just elaborated to him, 'Hey, if we're going to continue to do this, we're not going anywhere. We have to be on the same page. I brought you here for a reason, for people to understand the chemistry that we have and the things we can do, which will lead us to winning a Super Bowl.'"
All that says to me is a) TO is a farging child and b)McNabb really has no idea why any of this happened.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on February 02, 2006, 09:47:58 AM
I just read the entire thing on ESPn and I have to admit...I liked a lot of what McNabb said. The only beef I had was the black on black statement.
I especially liked him saying some guys had a big head from going to the SB. That directly coincides, in my opinion, of why many teams struggle after SB seasons. I do not recall where I heard this, butI found it very interesting....someone said that nowadays BOTH teams are celebrated as winners because they just reach the SB. So much attention is given to the two who make it that when its all said and done even the losers still feel like they accomplished something. And I think that might be right on.
So I am glad he said what he said. Ego check for everyone who wears wings on their helmet in Philadelphia and the coaching staff who didn't prepare well enough.
Poppycock. He's saying guys were worried too much about contracts and Pro Bowls. Well, it's easy not to worry when you have a contract that will be all the money he'll ever need (and probably for the next 3-5 generations of his family) and he has a large handful of Pro Bowls under his belt. Also a dumb thing to say in a nationally-televised interview.
Wow...did I miss that on ESPN? Is that where you got it, Bobby?
The only beef I had was the black on black statement
thats the least relevant thing he had to say
Quote from: FFatPatt on February 02, 2006, 09:55:12 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on February 02, 2006, 09:47:58 AM
I just read the entire thing on ESPn and I have to admit...I liked a lot of what McNabb said. The only beef I had was the black on black statement.
I especially liked him saying some guys had a big head from going to the SB. That directly coincides, in my opinion, of why many teams struggle after SB seasons. I do not recall where I heard this, butI found it very interesting....someone said that nowadays BOTH teams are celebrated as winners because they just reach the SB. So much attention is given to the two who make it that when its all said and done even the losers still feel like they accomplished something. And I think that might be right on.
So I am glad he said what he said. Ego check for everyone who wears wings on their helmet in Philadelphia and the coaching staff who didn't prepare well enough.
Poppycock. He's saying guys were worried too much about contracts and Pro Bowls. Well, it's easy not to worry when you have a contract that will be all the money he'll ever need (and probably for the next 3-5 generations of his family) and he has a large handful of Pro Bowls under his belt. Also a dumb thing to say in a nationally-televised interview.
Did he specify contracts and PB's? I stand by what I said. I honestly believe that some guys thought that they were bullet proof after 2004.
But like I said..let Donovan get this out and move on.
Ah, ok. I see it now. Don't know how I missed that part of the article.
Well, it's obvious he's not letting go. He's being a farging woman about it, which he apparently has been all along, just not publicly until now. He needs to stop whining, stop making excuses and martyring himself, take control of his team, and win the farging Super Bowl. Period.
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 02, 2006, 09:22:00 AM
i have a problem with his soft batch ass coming out superbowl week and dropping bombs...its friggin over now....why cant he come up with his vanilla answers now..."that was the past"...."i prefer to look towards have a great 2006 season with the teammates i have now"
he said that
the whole think is here (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2315565)
Quote from: FFatPatt on February 02, 2006, 09:55:12 AM
Poppycock. He's saying guys were worried too much about contracts and Pro Bowls. Well, it's easy not to worry when you have a contract that will be all the money he'll ever need (and probably for the next 3-5 generations of his family) and he has a large handful of Pro Bowls under his belt. Also a dumb thing to say in a nationally-televised interview.
it's dumb to do any interview.
but this is absolutey retarded. the guy gets blasted for not saying anything, then he gets blasted for saying too much.
i hate philly fans. i really farging hate them.
i'm a bird fan through and through...but part of me wouldnt be upset to see 3 or 4 winless seasons, just so these whiner fans with nothing better to do than bitch and moan about everything would just go the farg away.
Well done Wingspan, that's the kind of spite and bitterness we're looking for.
He's being a farging woman about it, which he apparently has been all along, just not publicly until now. He needs to stop whining, stop making excuses and martyring himself, take control of his team, and win the farging Super Bowl
what ive been saying about him for two years...and its why i question whether he will ever win a superbowl...dook is soft
he said that
the whole think is here
yeah i know but he should have only said that and then moved on to his rehab...the mini camps and other boring offseason ish...by dropping the other bombs it kinda doesnt matter that he also spoke the vanilla wafer stuff
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 02, 2006, 10:07:17 AM
He's being a farging woman about it, which he apparently has been all along, just not publicly until now. He needs to stop whining, stop making excuses and martyring himself, take control of his team, and win the farging Super Bowl
what ive been saying about him for two years...and its why i question whether he will ever win a superbowl...dook is soft
he said that
the whole think is here
yeah i know but he should have only said that and then moved on to his rehab...the mini camps and other boring offseason ish...by dropping the other bombs it kinda doesnt matter that he also spoke the vanilla wafer stuff
well maybe he should hire your lame poser ass to be his media consultant from now on.
Quote"I think they are behind me now. [T.O's] gone. Some jobs are on the line. We need to get back to that team, that camaraderie we had. One thing we can do is, 'We have to get confidence back to Five,' so now everybody's talking to me, or whatever. Which is cool. I work with everybody. But you're definitely starting to see a change with the guys that I've been rehabbing with. Attitudes are a little different. But you're also seeing guys definitely understanding what happened this past year."
McNabb has a clothing line, and he's had shirts made with messages about family, trust, jealousy, leadership, etc. "I think I have to go out and establish myself again as the hard worker, the determined individual, the guy that's going to set the tone. My job. I think that's what I have to do. As far as me trying to win over anybody, I don't think I have to do that. I think sometimes [people] look deeper into things than they need to, like I have to go in and do some song and dance to get everybody laughing again, be back on my side. Maybe get up and tell some jokes or something."
Seriously, the perception is that McNabb's hefty contract and his secure status in an organization that takes a hard line when it comes to players' salaries alienates his teammates, who may view him as an extension of management, as a "company guy."
"I don't make the decisions. I'm not the guy sitting in there going over the contracts, the game plan, who's going to make the team and who's not," he said. "There's going to come a time when I'm going to get released, traded, or whatever it may be. I'm just like the rest of the guys. I'm a little different in a lot of ways, but I'm still a player with a number on his back and if I'm unable to produce, they'll find somebody else to fill my spot."
He is moving on. What wingspan said is what I've said for the past couple of days...when he doesn't speak he is ripped. When he does speak, he's ripped. What do you want the guy to do!?!?!?!?
He is moving on. That interview with Smith was long and it covered EVERYTHING. So I look at it as him purging his system and moving on.
well maybe he should hire your lame poser ass to be his media consultant from now on.
word...i could perform wonders if allowed to makeover donnie....MCNASTY!!
I want the dude to stop taking every goddamned interview request that ESPN throws his way. I want him to have enough balls to get in a teammate's face and learn how to fire people up because his goofy ass aproach to leadership seems to be losing its effectiveness. Most of all I want him to stop whining about how hard everything is on him. No one wants to hear it and it makes him come off as soft ass soft.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on February 02, 2006, 10:12:14 AM
He is moving on. What wingspan said is what I've said for the past couple of days...when he doesn't speak he is ripped. When he does speak, he's ripped. What do you want the guy to do!?!?!?!?
I wanted him to get the Owens ish out of his system months ago and move on. Now, he's speaking out during Super Bowl week, when he has no business doing so, and he looks like a little bitch who can't let anything go. If he was going to take the "high road" and not respond in kind, then he should have stuck to that, instead of letting it fester and going off on a week that should be about the Seahawks & Steelers.
i think we all know what Donovan needs.
we find a homless guy in Philly, put an Owens jersey on him, and let Donny beat him to death.
Donny gets it out of his system, there's one less homeless person in Philly. everybody wins.
WAH
1. He is contractually obliged to give 3 interviews this week. It is in his Campbells contract (I read that in the Inky, by the way). One on ESPN. One on NFL Network and the one with writers present.
2. He didn't speak out months ago because he didn't feel it was right. He took TO's shots publicly but didn't fire back. I guess he thought he didn't need to add to the he said-he said drama in the press. I liked that he bit his tongue during the season. You don't need that shtein. Season = football time. Not goddamn drama class. He's getting it out now. Who gives two shteins if it is Super Bowl week? I don't.
So he gave his 3 interviews and he's been rehabbing. He'll go back to Philly to work with the guys there and then go to ARZ with the receivers and others.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on February 02, 2006, 10:19:42 AM
Who gives two shteins if it is Super Bowl week? I don't.
me neither.
and if he had said this "months" ago, right in the middle of the season, the same people would whine about it then, saying now is not the time.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on February 02, 2006, 10:19:42 AM
He'll go back to Philly to work with the guys there and then go to ARZ with the receivers and others.
I'm really excited to see what he and Reggie can do in 2006-2007. That's what he should have talked about in his interviews.. possibilities for the upcoming season.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on February 02, 2006, 09:57:04 AM
Wow...did I miss that on ESPN? Is that where you got it, Bobby?
Go to the ESPN site--it's a L-O-O-N-N-G interview transcript.
Quote from: Wingspan on February 02, 2006, 10:21:25 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on February 02, 2006, 10:19:42 AM
Who gives two shteins if it is Super Bowl week? I don't.
me neither.
and if he had said this "months" ago, right in the middle of the season, the same people would whine about it then, saying now is not the time.
You got that right. I can hear it in my head now...
"What is McNabb thinking saying this now?!?!?! The season is in the shteinter and he's worried about blasting TO? Some leader, this bum is!"
Or if he said it during TC then it would've been "We're trying to win a SB and McNabb is feeding TO more ammo!"
Damned if he does, damned if he doesn't.
No, he's pretty much just damned if he does... and he finally did.
T.O. is still under his skin. I guess that's what pisses me off the most.
EVERYONE in the Eagles organization should just shut the F up and worry about playing football!! If I wanted a circus soap opera crap, I'd turn on TV.
The Birds have enuff work to do this year, we don't need more of a media circus than we had last year.
arrrrgh!
Quote from: FFatPatt on February 02, 2006, 10:27:12 AM
No, he's pretty much just damned if he does... and he finally did.
T.O. is still under his skin. I guess that's what pisses me off the most.
How could he not be when everyone and their momma still considers them synonomous with each other? Nobody's asking him about Reggie Brown. Nobody's asking him about John Runyan. Hell, they only ask him about his groin as a buffer to get to the T.O. shtein.
Quote from: EagleFeva on February 02, 2006, 10:42:54 AM
Quote from: FFatPatt on February 02, 2006, 10:27:12 AM
No, he's pretty much just damned if he does... and he finally did.
T.O. is still under his skin. I guess that's what pisses me off the most.
How could he not be when everyone and their momma still considers them synonomous with each other? Nobody's asking him about Reggie Brown. Nobody's asking him about John Runyan. Hell, they only ask him about his groin as a buffer to get to the T.O. shtein.
Well then, he should do what he USUALLY does, and change the subject:
"I don't want to talk about Owens. I'm done with him. Let's talk about Reggie farging BROWN."
I call B.S. if you say he had no choice but to talk about it. Big-time B.S.
Quote from: FFatPatt on February 02, 2006, 10:46:26 AM
Quote from: EagleFeva on February 02, 2006, 10:42:54 AM
Quote from: FFatPatt on February 02, 2006, 10:27:12 AM
No, he's pretty much just damned if he does... and he finally did.
T.O. is still under his skin. I guess that's what pisses me off the most.
How could he not be when everyone and their momma still considers them synonomous with each other? Nobody's asking him about Reggie Brown. Nobody's asking him about John Runyan. Hell, they only ask him about his groin as a buffer to get to the T.O. shtein.
Well then, he should do what he USUALLY does, and change the subject:
"I don't want to talk about Owens. I'm done with him. Let's talk about Reggie farging BROWN."
I call B.S. if you say he had no choice but to talk about it. Big-time B.S.
I call BS if you really think that'll work. C'mon man... we've all seen these media folks in action. They're like rabid dogs when the get hold of a "story". Hell, I'm PART of the media and I've seen it done countless times... even specifically with T.O.
"Yeah, Donovan... we look forward to what you and Reggie can do next year. How do you think things would have gone if you had both Terrell and Reggie to get the ball to?" - and you're right back at it.
Did he have a choice? Can't say that he didn't. But it's not like it's just a switch that you can turn off and the media backs off of it.
the media hasnt been able to get shtein out of donovan in seven years of post game news conferences...but now the media is forcing him to talk about TO??...sorry but you cant have it both ways
as much as andy frustrates the hell out of me with his public attitude you have to somewhat repsect the fact that hes never changed and has stuck to his guns....mcnabb can do the same any time he wants...this time he chose not too
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 02, 2006, 11:29:56 AM
as much as andy frustrates the hell out of me with his public attitude you have to somewhat repsect the fact that hes never changed and has stuck to his guns....mcnabb can do the same any time he wants...this time he chose not too
my only response to that is this. maybe, just maybe Donovan knew that this issue was so huge and it was going to roll into next year, into camp, into preseason, into the season. maybe he felt that he was going to have to comment on it sometime. so, he does it now and gets it out of the way. now, whenever anybody else asks him about it, he can say that he's already addressed it and move on.
^^^
This guy gets it.
Why say something in the middle of the season where it will just blow up exponentially on him... but don't let it leak into next season. Say your piece when it's all over... put it behind you... move on.
then andy also HAS to come out on it asap so that he isnt pressed on it all next year
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 02, 2006, 11:46:39 AM
then andy also HAS to come out on it asap so that he isnt pressed on it all next year
Andy isn't the one that Owens verbally attacked & had his character/skills questioned publically. The Reid/Owens relationship isn't the focus of the media's nor the publics interest, so he doesn't need to come out on anything.
so he doesn't need to come out on anything.
exactly...and neither did mcnabb...especially in the idiotic way he did
i wish TO well...we need to move on...thats the last time im addressing anything related to this topic
the end
i dont wish TO well.
farg TO.
me neither...i hope he gets hit by a train
Quote from: EagleFeva on February 02, 2006, 11:38:26 AM
^^^
This guy gets it.
Why say something in the middle of the season where it will just blow up exponentially on him... but don't let it leak into next season. Say your piece when it's all over... put it behind you... move on.
He "gets it" because he agrees with you? Bull.
The best time for Donovan to address this issue would have been either immediately, after T.O. was no longer affiliated with the Eagles, or NEVER. Period.
Plus, we're getting off the fact that what he said was absolutely retarded. Just the fact in and of itself that he said SOMETHING is not a large issue compared to him pulling the race card unnecessarily or calling out teammates in general for worrying about getting paid or receiving individual honors.
I hope Kathy Bates hobbles his ass with a sledge hammer.
sweet. i get it. i'm pumped.
I'm sick of the drama. Fed up with it. Last season simply was not fun. And it's not because the Eagles didn't win the division, or make the playoffs or play well. Because I've experienced plenty of disappointing years as an Eagles fan.
It wasn't fun because there was no focus on football. It was all about TO and McNabb and Rosenhaus and this and that and everything in between. But it was never about the Eagles.
Even 2004 was a not so fun year in many ways because the focus was never really about the Eagles. It was still about TO. It just wasn't as annoying because winning will have that effect on you. And the fact that the Eagles made it to the Super Bowl made it even easier to ignore.
I wanted TO to be an Eagle as much as anyone. I love the way he plays the game. Nothing that he does on the field is worth the chaos that he brings with him. He was brought in for 2 reasons.
1. Get the Eagles over the NFCCG hump.
2. Win the Super Bowl.
He did neither.
Quote from: FFatPatt on February 02, 2006, 12:12:19 PM
Plus, we're getting off the fact that what he said was absolutely retarded. Just the fact in and of itself that he said SOMETHING is not a large issue compared to him pulling the race card unnecessarily or calling out teammates in general for worrying about getting paid or receiving individual honors.
he called no one out. no names are mentioned.
he called no one out. no names are mentioned
thats true...mcnabb was fair in the sense that he alienated the whole team instead of just a few specific guys
Quote from: FFatPatt on February 02, 2006, 12:12:19 PM
Quote from: EagleFeva on February 02, 2006, 11:38:26 AM
^^^
This guy gets it.
Why say something in the middle of the season where it will just blow up exponentially on him... but don't let it leak into next season. Say your piece when it's all over... put it behind you... move on.
He "gets it" because he agrees with you? Bull.
The best time for Donovan to address this issue would have been either immediately, after T.O. was no longer affiliated with the Eagles, or NEVER. Period.
Plus, we're getting off the fact that what he said was absolutely retarded. Just the fact in and of itself that he said SOMETHING is not a large issue compared to him pulling the race card unnecessarily or calling out teammates in general for worrying about getting paid or receiving individual honors.
just out of curiousity....why do you care if he says anything or not?
what difference does it make?
You don't think they know who they are? You can't figure out who they might be on your own?
I know I can name some:
Lito
Westbrook
M. Lewis
Parry
Quote from: FFatPatt on February 02, 2006, 12:22:30 PM
You don't think they know who they are? You can't figure out who they might be on your own?
I know I can name some:
Lito
Westbrook
M. Lewis
Parry
I forgot Trotter, especially talking about wanting Owens back and being able to help mediate. Shaddup and chop wood.
Quote from: FFatPatt on February 02, 2006, 12:12:19 PM
Quote from: EagleFeva on February 02, 2006, 11:38:26 AM
^^^
This guy gets it.
Why say something in the middle of the season where it will just blow up exponentially on him... but don't let it leak into next season. Say your piece when it's all over... put it behind you... move on.
He "gets it" because he agrees with you? Bull.
The best time for Donovan to address this issue would have been either immediately, after T.O. was no longer affiliated with the Eagles, or NEVER. Period.
Plus, we're getting off the fact that what he said was absolutely retarded. Just the fact in and of itself that he said SOMETHING is not a large issue compared to him pulling the race card unnecessarily or calling out teammates in general for worrying about getting paid or receiving individual honors.
When "it" is my point... yeah. No Bull.
Look, I like everyone else... winced when he said the "black on black crime" thing. But IMO, he's not the one who introduced race into the whole thing. Limbaugh, NCAAP guy amd TO did. When asked about that, the responses he gives are going to deal with race.
As for the "calling out teammates" thing, isn't that what a "leader", as described by a whole horde of Eagles fans, is supposed to do... especially if they're worried about probowls and contracts instead of the Super Bowl? Isn't that what everyone wants him to do?
Quote from: FFatPatt on February 02, 2006, 12:12:19 PM
Quote from: EagleFeva on February 02, 2006, 11:38:26 AM
^^^
This guy gets it.
Why say something in the middle of the season where it will just blow up exponentially on him... but don't let it leak into next season. Say your piece when it's all over... put it behind you... move on.
He "gets it" because he agrees with you? Bull.
The best time for Donovan to address this issue would have been either immediately, after T.O. was no longer affiliated with the Eagles, or NEVER. Period.
Plus, we're getting off the fact that what he said was absolutely retarded. Just the fact in and of itself that he said SOMETHING is not a large issue compared to him pulling the race card unnecessarily or calling out teammates in general for worrying about getting paid or receiving individual honors.
Didn't McNabb say after the taterskin game down there the Team might be better without T.O. He got ripped apart by this media and a lot of the fans for it. I don't agree with what McNabb said yesterday, but the team needs to put it behind them in Now not in September.
I forgot Kearse in my list. Then again, how could I be expected to remember he's even on the team?
Quote from: FFatPatt on February 02, 2006, 12:54:23 PM
I forgot Kearse in my list. Then again, how could I be expected to remember he's even on the team?
Someone has to get two fingers on the QB as he blows right past him on an outside rush.
I just listened to the whole interview via PE.com and I have to say that I have no problems with what McNabb said. The key lines the media has pulled out and isolated which makes this seem worse then it is. McNabb was just venting and putting everything dealing with TO behind him.
Quote from: mikey418 on February 02, 2006, 01:42:21 PM
I just listened to the whole interview via PE.com and I have to say that I have no problems with what McNabb said. The key lines the media has pulled out and isolated which makes this seem worse then it is. McNabb was just venting and putting everything dealing with TO behind him.
let's face what this really is... it's Donovan's (and Eagles') last chance to spoil the name of T.O. before we get rid of him. Although this rehasihing of the bad blood just minimizes the Bird's chances of getting anything better in exchange for him. Eagles should have just let this whole thing die!
Quote from: dis12 on February 02, 2006, 02:22:43 PM
let's face what this really is... it's Donovan's (and Eagles') last chance to spoil the name of T.O. before we get rid of him. Although this rehasihing of the bad blood just minimizes the Bird's chances of getting anything better in exchange for him. Eagles should have just let this whole thing die!
Well stated!
Guess no one has told DMac the shtein Jaws, Randall, Kotite(had to throw him in the mix), etc. received in their careers.
wow....when eskin...the biggest TO hater of them all....starts getting on mcnabb you know he done farged up
Eskin will say anything to stir the pot. You know that.
no way...not when it comes to the eagles...hes homeriffic...outside of pg hes a worse homer than anyone on this board...BY FAR
plus as i said hes despises TO
Quote from: mikey418 on February 02, 2006, 01:42:21 PM
I just listened to the whole interview via PE.com and I have to say that I have no problems with what McNabb said. The key lines the media has pulled out and isolated which makes this seem worse then it is. McNabb was just venting and putting everything dealing with TO behind him.
I guess I'm not so good at this innernets thing... Link to the interview in question?
Opinions are like iceholes (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11147133/from/RS.1/)
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on February 02, 2006, 10:19:42 AM
So he gave his 3 interviews and he's been rehabbing. He'll go back to Philly to work with the guys there and then go to ARZ with the receivers and others.
I guarantee that is one wild farging party at night time. 22-32 year old rich guys? Unlimited budget. C'mon how much fun would you guys have had?
Top shelf booze.!!
High stakes gambling!!
Hot and cold running hookers!!!
out of curiosity, has Trotter said anything about the whole McNabb/TO thing? Just asking since he's been on TOs jock since the suspension.
Quote from: Mad-Lad on February 02, 2006, 04:20:42 PM
out of curiosity, has Trotter said anything about the whole McNabb/TO thing? Just asking since he's been on TOs jock since the suspension.
If he did we would need IGY to translate.
trot was on the mid day show today and took the high road...saying hes been working out...getting ready for the season...and he really doesnt even know what mcabb said
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 02, 2006, 04:22:44 PM
trot was on the mid day show today and took the high road...saying hes been working out...getting ready for the season...and he really doesnt even know what mcabb said
Thanks for the translation.
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 02, 2006, 04:22:44 PM
trot was on the mid day show today and took the high road...saying hes been working out...getting ready for the season...and he really doesnt even know what mcabb said
translation: "I can't say shtein cause I'll look like more of a douche"
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 02, 2006, 04:22:44 PM
trot was on the mid day show today and took the high road...saying hes been working out...getting ready for the season...and he really doesnt even know what mcabb said
MUTINY
I don't get the whole black on black crime thing. Who cares what races are involved? Is one black person fighting another supposed to be any different than two white people fighting another or a white person fighting a black person?
Who frickin cares what races are involved Donovan, jeez.
Thanks for bluntly restating what everyone else had already said in a less blunt manner.
droids don't tear peoples arms out of their sockets when the lose.
Quote from: DemonchildrenOnTurf on February 02, 2006, 03:35:35 PM
Quote from: mikey418 on February 02, 2006, 01:42:21 PM
I just listened to the whole interview via PE.com and I have to say that I have no problems with what McNabb said. The key lines the media has pulled out and isolated which makes this seem worse then it is. McNabb was just venting and putting everything dealing with TO behind him.
I guess I'm not so good at this innernets thing... Link to the interview in question?
Anyone? Anyone?
Quote from: Philly Forever on February 02, 2006, 04:54:31 PM
I don't get the whole black on black crime thing. Who cares what races are involved? Is one black person fighting another supposed to be any different than two white people fighting another or a white person fighting a black person?
Who frickin cares what races are involved Donovan, jeez.
I just thought it was a Syracuse vs. Tennessee-Chatanooga thing. man, those schools really dis each other. :-D
Quote from: DemonchildrenOnTurf on February 02, 2006, 05:07:29 PM
Quote from: DemonchildrenOnTurf on February 02, 2006, 03:35:35 PM
Quote from: mikey418 on February 02, 2006, 01:42:21 PM
I just listened to the whole interview via PE.com and I have to say that I have no problems with what McNabb said. The key lines the media has pulled out and isolated which makes this seem worse then it is. McNabb was just venting and putting everything dealing with TO behind him.
I guess I'm not so good at this innernets thing... Link to the interview in question?
Anyone? Anyone?
The link to the espn.com interview?
I have a link to the script of it.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2315565
Don't know if that is what you want.
Quote from: Philly Forever on February 02, 2006, 05:18:47 PM
Quote from: DemonchildrenOnTurf on February 02, 2006, 05:07:29 PM
Quote from: DemonchildrenOnTurf on February 02, 2006, 03:35:35 PM
Quote from: mikey418 on February 02, 2006, 01:42:21 PM
I just listened to the whole interview via PE.com and I have to say that I have no problems with what McNabb said. The key lines the media has pulled out and isolated which makes this seem worse then it is. McNabb was just venting and putting everything dealing with TO behind him.
I guess I'm not so good at this innernets thing... Link to the interview in question?
Anyone? Anyone?
The link to the espn.com interview?
I have a link to the script of it.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2315565
Don't know if that is what you want.
Mikey had said when he heard it, it wasn't as offensive as it seems when you read it. That's why I was looking for a vid so I could watch and hear it.
i think you're looking for the first link in the multi media section of the eagles site?
The company man/sellout really needs to leave race out of his arguments. I swear, Uncle Tom can't do anything right.
FF,
You say McNabb should've spoke out on it last year? That wasn't the time to speak out for a couple reasons...
1. It is during the season and they didn't need MORE drama. He'd only be adding to the fire. He didn't want to do that, I guess. And I agree with tha approach.
2. After he got hurt he didn't talk at all. He didn't want to take attention away from the guys still playing.
So he talks now. Big deal. He gets it out and its over and done with in his eyes...
Question from reporter in April: "Donovan, what did you mean by saying [insert whatever here]"
Donovan: "I've siad what I needed to on that situation and moved on".
Because you know damn well if he didn't speak now and kept it all inside then he'd be badgered all next year about it. Well, at least until the season started. Imagine hs TC pressers...good times, eh?
And I love how the Philadelphia media (COMCAST) is trippin because he talked to ESPN and didn't talk to Comcast during the Syracuse Nova game. :-D
FF,
You say McNabb should've spoke out on it last year? That wasn't the time to speak out for a couple reasons...
1. It is during the season and they didn't need MORE drama. He'd only be adding to the fire. He didn't want to do that, I guess. And I agree with tha approach.
2. After he got hurt he didn't talk at all. He didn't want to take attention away from the guys still playing.
:puke
please...your ass it getting torched for six months...you better step and do SOMETHING ANYTHING!
phil sheridan made a great point in his column yesterday...said that TO is one of the most despicable human beings around but he won this battle and got many people to side with him because he was outspoken and made his points loud anc clear...and even tho they were ridiculous he still a had a message that hit hard...shtein talk is better than no talk
furthermore its not just when mcnabb came out on this its how he came out...hes so weak and pitiful...its not attacking TO its woe me...poor little donovan gets criticized by everyone...wah sob cry bawl...i remember everything everyone says abolut me...i forget nothing...the booing at the draft...the choking in the superbowl talk..michael irvin on espn...i dont run enough...the ghetto hates me...
if he came out on wednesday and started raining f bombs all over dat ass...and verbally took TO behind the woodshed that would have been another thing...attack him for the things he actually did that were wrong...he would have done much better for himself as opposed to holding a pity party and dropping race cards
Phreak,
Once again... Let me make it very clear that I am not nearly as bothered that McNabb chose to speak out compared to how annoyed I am at what, exactly, he said. He sounded like a complete buffoon for a lot of that interview... either that or a wounded duck with an aching vagina. Either way, it reminded me of Sean Connery's line from "The Rock":
"Losers whine about their 'best'. Winners go home and farg the prom queen."
Come on, IGY. This all goes back to what I said before. Why must Donovan speak publicly at that time? Just so he can appease those of you who want to see it drag out in the media?
Sure it's great for talk radio and the papers and the select amount of fans who want to see a good ol' fight. But what does that solve?
I guarantee you that had McNabb blasted TO in camp he would've been accused of doing it at the wrong time and taking the focus off the team. Tell me that wouldn't have been the reaction.
And why is what he said looked at as whining and sobbing? The only thing I had a problem with was the race bullshtein. I don't like it at all. But what was the problem with everything else he said?
He answered questions about the situation. But because he does it now versus then it is whining? I don't get it. So would you have been cool with him saying the exact same thing 6 months ago? You know it would've been the same stuff. So whats the damn difference between August and February?
Dawkins supports McNabb (http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/sports/13778838.htm)
QuoteEagles free safety Brian Dawkins says he still has confidence in his quarterback.
"He absolutely is, and will continue to be, a leader for us," Dawkins said in a phone conversation.
Dawkins spoke yesterday, a day after former Eagle Hugh Douglas questioned McNabb's leadership on a radio show and the quarterback blasted Terrell Owens on ESPN.
The safety said he realizes that McNabb experienced frustration that went beyond his sports hernia, which limited him to nine games
QuoteIt was the first time that McNabb had truly taken off the gloves when discussing Owens, and two of his teammates said they could understand.
"When I heard about it, I wasn't surprised," Dawkins said. "Every person has a breaking point."
Eagles defensive end N.D. Kalu agreed.
"Part of me is surprised, but every man, no matter how good he is at letting things roll off his back, has a breaking point," said Kalu, who will be an unrestricted free agent. "It finally got to the point that he was sick of hearing it, and he responded.
"Just about everybody respects him for not confronting T.O." during the season, Kalu said. "Most saw him as taking the high road, but as crazy as it sounds, some questioned his toughness for not responding, and I think it finally caught up to him."
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on February 03, 2006, 08:42:48 AM
And why is what he said looked at as whining and sobbing? The only thing I had a problem with was the race bullshtein. I don't like it at all. But what was the problem with everything else he said?
That's primarily what he's talking about. It's obvious he carries booing at the draft, Rush Limbaugh, the Philly NAACP, and now T.O. as a big chip on his shoulder, and that makes him a whiny bitch. You say it's a good thing that he's "getting this off his chest now", but he's not. He's sharing what he's feeling, and what he's STILL feeling.
He's not going to lead us to a Super Bowl unless he learns to truly put past criticisms behind him, instead of talking about putting them behind him when they are, in fact, obviously NOT behind him.
Quote"Just about everybody respects him for not confronting T.O." during the season, Kalu said. "Most saw him as taking the high road, but as crazy as it sounds, some questioned his toughness for not responding, and I think it finally caught up to him."
So McNabb's damned if he does, damned if he doesn't. Hopefully this whole incident will have been forgotten when September rolls around.
You say it's a good thing that he's "getting this off his chest now", but he's not. He's sharing what he's feeling, and what he's STILL feeling.
He's not going to lead us to a Super Bowl unless he learns to truly put past criticisms behind him,
ladies and gentleman we have a winner
I've been looking around the net at other football boards. Except for the obviously dumb remark of "black on black" crime by McNabb, it seems that a majority of other teams fans have a high respect for the way McNabb carries himself and his responses to the situations he is put in. Just goes to show that once again, most of Philadelphia's stupid fan base is up to their usual nonsense.
What does what the guy thinks have to do with winning a Super Bowl? Like that would affect his play on the field. Stop. That is crazy talk, bro. Did the booing and Rush affect him in 2004? Nope.
So what if the guy takes things to heart? He's one of those guys who wants everyone to like him. That is a personality trait. But it doesn't affect his play on the field.
I don't care what fans say about him holding grudges. Everyone holds some grudges sometimes. Just because you make millions doesn't mean you're immune to feeling like a person. And he was affected by the numerous ridiculous things said about him.
I'll say this and concede for this point that...even though this is viewed as a stupid episode by him by many... So what? It is ONE mistake he's made. How many times do we see guys farg up only to get second chances?
The guy was booed by his "fans" before he ever even suited up for them. Those yokels can spin it anyway they want but the fact is that he was booed by them. They can say they weren't booing McNabb but rather booing no Ricky.
Then he was ripped by Rush.
Then he was dragged through the mud by TO.
Then he was ripped by Mondesire.
Even the most stoic person can be affected once enough shtein is thrown at them. I agree with Dawk and Kalu on that. McNabb reached his breaking point, which everyone has one.
So let's roast the guy for being dumb one time. Let's say that he needs to be traded, released, burned, shot, killed, maimed and any other thing suggested by Eagles fans. Let's say that he will not win a SB because of this. Yeah, that's the ticket!
Well said, Phreak. :yay
QuoteLEADERSHIP FLOATS
Les Bowen
DETROIT - Brian Dawkins didn't sound too perturbed.
"This, too, shall pass," the Eagles' Pro Bowl free safety said over the phone yesterday, when asked to weigh in on the latest turbulence to engulf his team, the most recent aftershock from a natural disaster of a season. "We'll get to minicamp and we'll turn the page. That's going to happen."
It was a relief to hear somebody say so.
It would have been nicer to hear Eagles coach Andy Reid say it, but you'd have had a better chance yesterday of getting a sound bite from Punxsutawney Phil. An Eagles spokesman basically said the organization didn't want to fuel the hubbub for another day.
As if not saying anything would make it go away.
Elsewhere, Eagles Nation seemed to be in what is becoming its favorite mode - full, shrieking, the-sky-is-falling meltdown.
Trade Donovan McNabb!
Where are the leaders?!! Oh my God, there aren't any leaders! We're doomed!!
And it's only February.
There are many points to be made here, in the wake of quarterback McNabb baring his hurt feelings, and team ambassador Hugh Douglas declaring the locker room to be void of inspirational leaders, specifically targeting McNabb.
First, criticizing the Eagles' locker-room leadership, which includes Dawkins, for the way the Terrell Owens matter unfolded is pretty easy, for people who weren't there and have never had to deal with such a train wreck. It's still unclear exactly what sort of leadership would have soothed Owens' pathological need for conflict with authority. Maybe, back at Lehigh, they should have issued McNabb a Taser?
"I don't see a lack of leaders," Dawkins said. "We have enough leadership to get us back to where we need to be. There is no right way or wrong way to handle a situation like that. We tried to get through the situation. The season is over with. There's nothing we can go back and change. I believe that you build character through adversity, and we're
going to be stronger for this."
Douglas - a funny, friendly, wonderful guy to be around - presumably considers himself the sort of vocal leader who would have taken charge, had he still been on the team. Yet, we all know what happened when Douglas confronted T.O., in what became Owens' final week with the Birds. At season's end, Douglas' ex-teammates targeted that training-room dustup as the moment the Eagles' choo-choo truly went off the rails for good. What kind of leadership was that, exactly, and how did it help, again?
Second, McNabb did absolutely nothing to invite the conflict with Owens, and he has every right to be bitter about teammates who fully understood the situation but just couldn't pass on an opportunity to see Jay-Z's club in Atlantic City for T.O.'s birthday party. Still, the time to discuss that stuff was a month ago, when the season was ending. McNabb was nowhere to be found back then. That isn't exactly what Douglas was talking about, but it is a legitimate criticism, if less self-serving than what Douglas said.
Presumably, McNabb said nothing then to his teammates. He certainly said nothing to reporters. We thought, when key players said at the end of the season that they supported McNabb and understood why T.O. had to go, that the matter was resolved.
Even Jeremiah Trotter signed on in support of McNabb.
Reporters covering the team were surprised, and thrown off-balance, when McNabb started talking about guys not having his back toward the end of a confab on Tuesday here at the Super Bowl, following his appearance for Campbell's Chunky Soup. After making headlines in Philadelphia with those tidbits, he went on ESPN on Wednesday (speaking for the first time since his sports-hernia surgery, according to the network, which apparently doesn't ever see the headlines in Philadelphia). There, McNabb resurrected the "black-on-black crime" remark his father made back in November, which didn't go over well then and didn't improve with age.
It's unclear what McNabb was trying to accomplish.
"He did what he thought was best," said Dawkins, who called McNabb "a strong leader on the team."
Dawkins said, though, that his own policy was to not comment any further about the ins and outs of the Owens situation; he had decreed he was done with that once the season was over. Dawkins didn't say McNabb should have done the same, but he didn't seem to think McNabb had done much to help the situation.
"Donovan needed to get something off his chest," Dawkins said. "Whether you feel he was right or wrong, he did it."
He sure did. And he unleashed a whole new round of vitriol from his critics.
The Eagles need a lot of things from this offseason. They need to officially and finally rid themselves of T.O. They need help on both lines, at linebacker, at running back and wide receiver. It wouldn't hurt for several of the acquisitions to be solid-citizen, vocal-leader types.
But just as much, the Eagles need to settle down, and stop addressing one another through the media. Maybe Reid needs to emerge from his bunker and convene some sort of leadership summit.
The most important factor in getting the Eagles back into contention is getting McNabb healthy and confident again. Anybody who thinks there's another path back to the playoffs is delusional. But after this week, it's fair to wonder just how large and complex a task that might be.
This right here is the truth. This is the winner.
someone must step up publicly to TO and blast his ass when he talks from his ass, let him know who runs the ship. Donovan doesnt let anyone know he runs the ship. Sometimes to be a leader you need to be a bastich. Unless Reid steps up this offseason to work with McNabb in becoming the captain of this ship, its on its way down a slippery slope.
Quote from: FFatPatt on February 03, 2006, 08:50:22 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on February 03, 2006, 08:42:48 AM
And why is what he said looked at as whining and sobbing? The only thing I had a problem with was the race bullshtein. I don't like it at all. But what was the problem with everything else he said?
That's primarily what he's talking about. It's obvious he carries booing at the draft, Rush Limbaugh, the Philly NAACP, and now T.O. as a big chip on his shoulder, and that makes him a whiny bitch. You say it's a good thing that he's "getting this off his chest now", but he's not. He's sharing what he's feeling, and what he's STILL feeling.
this may be a surprise to most people...but he is human. why is it wrong for him to still be bitter about all of those things that happened?
if i went through half of that, you dont think i would use it as a chip on my shoulder? hell yeah.
brady does it. he says he is still insulted that he was a 6th round pick.
Quote from: phillywin2k5 on February 03, 2006, 09:08:41 AM
someone must step up publicly to TO and blast his ass when he talks from his ass, let him know who runs the ship. Donovan doesnt let anyone know he runs the ship. Sometimes to be a leader you need to be a bastich. Unless Reid steps up this offseason to work with McNabb in becoming the captain of this ship, its on its way down a slippery slope.
Is this a joke? I am so SICK of hearing this horseshtein.
he didnt reach a breaking point...he finally just spoke on the issues...and his talk is a clear representation of his psyche...which is soft whiny to easily effected by the weakest of criticisms
20 eagle fans boo the teams choice of pick seven years ago and hes still hung up on it?
some psycho nazi right wing racist blowhard speaks on his football play....and he cares why?
jerry mondesire?...gimme a break...two days after he spouted off the national president of the naacp ripped mondesire...so why is that still even being mentioned
what scares me is that if these stupid ass things bother him imagine what real pressure or a big mistake in a big football game game will do to him...what happens when he gets booed out of the stadium early next season cause of a bad game or loss...and then following week hes getting killed in the philly media...does he hold that with him and let it effect him on the field like he lets thess other far less issues bother him...i wonder if hes even past the dallas pick yet...
And there you have the "typical" Philly sports fan, folks.
In a nutshell.
you don't agree that Donovan is overly-sensitive and lets things bother him more than they should?
i love the guy, wear his jersey, and that's obvious to me.
this may be a surprise to most people...but he is human. why is it wrong for him to still be bitter about all of those things that happened?
theres nothing wrong with him...by all accounts he seems like a swell guy and good person...i like him a lot hes one of my favorite players...but is he the kind of guy that can quarterback a team to a championship in a city like philadelphia...i have huge questions regarding that
Quote from: MURP on February 03, 2006, 08:59:58 AM
Just goes to show that once again, most of Philadelphia's stupid fan base is up to their usual nonsense.
I think they're getting stupider each day. 'trade mcnabb for culpepper' is one of my favorites.
I hate that I feel this way, but I agree with IGY 100%.
Why are you all defending McNabb and saying he has a right to be "human"? Most humans don't lead an NFL team to a Super Bowl win, so Donovan can't afford to be like most humans. He's not just any human, and he's not just any pro athlete. He is the franchise player in a pressure-filled city. He has to suck up his feelings and play some damn ball.
EDIT: And to clarify, I wouldn't trade McNabb for 3 Culpeppers. McNabb is the only hope this team has for a Super Bowl in the next decade or so, and I just want him to turn the corner mentally to lead the team there.
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 03, 2006, 09:12:06 AM
what scares me is that if these stupid ass things bother him imagine what real pressure or a big mistake in a big football game game will do to him...what happens when he gets booed out of the stadium early next season cause of a bad game or loss...and then following week hes getting killed in the philly media...does he hold that with him and let it effect him on the field like he lets thess other far less issues bother him...
except that already happened. typical short memoried philly fans seemed to forget the first 5 weeks of 2003.
he seemed to rebound from that just fine.
fwiw i dont want mcnabb traded or benched or anything of the sort...but that doesnt mean i cant question him
id get rid of reid waaaaaaay before mcnabb
Quote from: FFatPatt on February 03, 2006, 09:16:33 AM
I hate that I feel this way, but I agree with IGY 100%.
Why are you all defending McNabb and saying he has a right to be "human"? Most humans don't lead an NFL team to a Super Bowl win, so Donovan can't afford to be like most humans. He's not just any human, and he's not just any pro athlete. He is the franchise player in a moron city. He has to suck up his feelings and play some damn ball.
yeah...who can forget the game when he came out at halftime dressed in a cheerleader outfit, because no one said to him "suck up your feelings and play some damn ball"
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 03, 2006, 09:12:06 AM
he didnt reach a breaking point...he finally just spoke on the issues...and his talk is a clear representation of his psyche...which is soft whiny to easily effected by the weakest of criticisms
20 eagle fans boo the teams choice of pick seven years ago and hes still hung up on it?
some psycho nazi right wing racist blowhard speaks on his football play....and he cares why?
jerry mondesire?...gimme a break...two days after he spouted off the national president of the naacp ripped mondesire...so why is that still even being mentioned
what scares me is that if these stupid ass things bother him imagine what real pressure or a big mistake in a big football game game will do to him...what happens when he gets booed out of the stadium early next season cause of a bad game or loss...and then following week hes getting killed in the philly media...does he hold that with him and let it effect him on the field like he lets thess other far less issues bother him...i wonder if hes even past the dallas pick yet...
Did you not read what Dawkins said? He said the man reached a breaking point. No offense to you or anyone else, but what he says carries some weight because he is close with the guy.
Like I said in my previous post...you and I might not let things like that bother you. But it is very easy for those of us who don't lead public lives to sit back and criticize.
Big mistake in a football you say? He's made several of those and was able to rebound.
Booed out of the stadium you say? Remember the Week 2 game in 2003 against the Pats when not only was he getting booed but he had water bottles thrown at him, people cheering him being injured for a minute after he got leveled and chanting for AJ Feeley? Yeah. It happened.
Killed in the Philly media? Shoot, that has happened numerous times.
The guy is human. He isn't a machine. No matter how much cash he has, no matter how public his life is the guy gets criticized out the ass by people all the time.
all of this will be forgotten, when they sign Rocky, Will, Steve, and draft Winston
Quote from: Sun_Mo on February 03, 2006, 09:14:46 AM
you don't agree that Donovan is overly-sensitive and lets things bother him more than they should?
i love the guy, wear his jersey, and that's obvious to me.
Yes. But that shouldn't be a reason to hate on the guy like some people are doing. That goes back to what I said about him being a human.
We're all different. Some of us can't take criticism, some of us can. Some of us hold grudges and some of us don't.
The way he is is the way he is. If something bothers him why should we care? Most of the time we don't even know about it. But this time he reached his point and let it out. And it is obvious that he stepped in a pile of shtein with the race stuff. But like I said...so the guy made a mistake, so effing what?
Pro sports guys make a whole helluva lot of bigger farg ups than McNabb and they are not treated like this.
i honestly dont put any weight into what brian dawkins says,...if he didnt come out in full 100% support of his qb id be disappointed...dawk saw what TO did to mcnabb and knows the last thing he would ever need is to feel as though another teammate isnt fully supporting him
you're right, there are worse qualities in people. i also think you overreact to his treatment.
the haters (for the most part) are always the vocal ones, they hate him and use any opportunity to bash him.
i support the guy, i don't agree with him on this issue, but i support him.
Maybe I do overreact a little bit. But I am a Donovan fan. I have been since day one. And thats why I despise the people for booing him.
But mostly maybe my feelings come from seeing many of our biggest athletes in this city ripped to no end. It's like running athletes out of town is a sport in itself.
I've said from the jump that he is in no way immune to criticism. He deserves to be criticized when he plays bad. But it goes over the top many times and that bothers me.
I am not a big SAS fan, but this is a pretty decent article:
http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/13778942.htm
QuoteThe last time I checked, the mere mention of "black-on-black crime" was reserved for the impoverished people struggling to survive in the mean streets of America. You never thought about such things when it came to two African American millionaires, arguing and bickering about matters on artificial turf while cashing checks that amount to more in two weeks than most families bring home in a year.
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Of course SAS will harp on the race comment.
Its all he harps on. Race.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on February 03, 2006, 09:29:28 AM
Maybe I do overreact a little bit. But I am a Donovan fan. I have been since day one. And thats why I despise the people for booing him.
But mostly maybe my feelings come from seeing many of our biggest athletes in this city ripped to no end. It's like running athletes out of town is a sport in itself.
I've said from the jump that he is in no way immune to criticism. He deserves to be criticized when he plays bad. But it goes over the top many times and that bothers me.
I agree completely. The guy has lost three big games in his career, two of which he was injured in but he's also won a ton of big games as well.
Yet some idiots still want him gone.
farging morons.
PS: Iverson still sucks. BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
;)
Quote from: PhillyGirl on February 03, 2006, 09:36:11 AM
Of course SAS will harp on the race comment.
Its all he harps on. Race.
True, but his comments in that particular article are dead-on.
yeah, any sympathy that people may have had for Donovan went out the window when he compared TO ripping him to murder and rape
Hugh just said that he fully supports McNabb and he finally snapped. He said that after the Rush, booing, TO and Mondesire he just had to vent and get it out.
I can't believe that anyone is arguing about McNabb being overly sensative to criticism. He very obviously IS over-sensative. Does that make him a bad QB or even an ineffective leader? No. It just means that he needs to farging tighten up and stop bringing up old shtein. I don't know about his contracted interview requirements or whatever, but his dumb grudge-holding ass needs to stop talking to the media every four minutes. Enough already.
Quote from: rjs246 on February 03, 2006, 09:49:13 AM
I can't believe that anyone is arguing about McNabb being overly sensative to criticism. He very obviously IS over-sensative. Does that make him a bad QB or even an ineffective leader? No. It just means that he needs to farging tighten up and stop bringing up old shtein. I don't know about his contracted interview requirements or whatever, but his dumb grudge-holding ass needs to stop talking to the media every four minutes. Enough already.
Yup. This needs to stop before it becomes a distraction for next season. If this continues, it will only be bad for him and the team.
Quote from: Butchers Bill on February 03, 2006, 09:53:25 AM
Quote from: rjs246 on February 03, 2006, 09:49:13 AM
I can't believe that anyone is arguing about McNabb being overly sensative to criticism. He very obviously IS over-sensative. Does that make him a bad QB or even an ineffective leader? No. It just means that he needs to farging tighten up and stop bringing up old shtein. I don't know about his contracted interview requirements or whatever, but his dumb grudge-holding ass needs to stop talking to the media every four minutes. Enough already.
Yup. This needs to stop before it becomes a distraction for next season. If this continues, it will only be bad for him and the team.
EXACTLY the reason he didn't talk about it during the season LAST year.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on February 03, 2006, 09:55:38 AM
Quote from: Butchers Bill on February 03, 2006, 09:53:25 AM
Quote from: rjs246 on February 03, 2006, 09:49:13 AM
I can't believe that anyone is arguing about McNabb being overly sensative to criticism. He very obviously IS over-sensative. Does that make him a bad QB or even an ineffective leader? No. It just means that he needs to farging tighten up and stop bringing up old shtein. I don't know about his contracted interview requirements or whatever, but his dumb grudge-holding ass needs to stop talking to the media every four minutes. Enough already.
Yup. This needs to stop before it becomes a distraction for next season. If this continues, it will only be bad for him and the team.
EXACTLY the reason he didn't talk about it during the season LAST year.
Maybe he should have? At least this shtein would be dead and buried by now.
Quote from: rjs246 on February 03, 2006, 09:49:13 AM
I don't know about his contracted interview requirements or whatever, but his dumb grudge-holding ass needs to stop talking to the media every four minutes. Enough already.
Maybe it's because I'm not in Philly or even America, but I wasn't aware McNabb was talking about it to the media every four minutes! From what I can gather he was on one interview and that was it.
And he would have been crucified then for speaking out in the middle of a season and destroying the team further.
Don't say he wouldn't. The people whining that he is talking about it now are the same people who would be screaming for his head had he said this stuff earlier in the season.
No! Idiots! He shouldn't be farging talking about Rush Limbaugh and his draft day experience AT ALL. And yet it gets brought up over and over and over again. Wah wah wah. If the only thing people are going to interview him about are TO and shtein that happened years ago he needs to stop farging giving an interview every single farging week. Jesus.
Quote from: rjs246 on February 03, 2006, 10:00:40 AM
No! Idiots! He shouldn't be farging talking about Rush Limbaugh and his draft day experience AT ALL. And yet it gets brought up over and over and over again. Wah wah wah. If the only thing people are going to interview him about are TO and shtein that happened years ago he needs to stop farging giving an interview every single farging week. Jesus.
By HIM? No, sir.
interviews everyweek, hmmmmmmm.
QuoteBy HIM? No, sir.
Bullshtein. He brings it up all the time. And even if it gets brought up he could just stop addressing it. It's farging ridiculous.
I think most people have clearly stated that the problem was the content of his statement and the presentation of said statements that bothered them, not the timing (except maybe IGY).
Debating this now is ludicrous. We won't know if it has any effect on anyone until October at the earliest.
whats ludicrous is that by mcnabb doing it now means it is squashed....he opened up a whole new can of worms...this is absolutely 100% gonna be brought up in the mini and training camps
especially when TO gets to his new team and starts opening his shtein box
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 03, 2006, 10:16:55 AM
whats ludicrous is that by mcnabb doing it now means it is squashed....he opened up a whole new can of worms...this is absolutely 100% gonna be brought up in the mini and training camps
especially when TO gets to his new team and starts opening his shtein box
It was never squashed. Not if the lockerroom was divided at some point last season. McNabb and AR have ways of handling internal issues that are usually effective with reasonable people, not the"ultimate media drama whore" whose name I will not utter.
Quote from: FFatPatt on February 03, 2006, 09:16:33 AM
I hate that I feel this way, but I agree with IGY 100%.
Why are you all defending McNabb and saying he has a right to be "human"? Most humans don't lead an NFL team to a Super Bowl win, so Donovan can't afford to be like most humans. He's not just any human, and he's not just any pro athlete. He is the franchise player in a pressure-filled city. He has to suck up his feelings and play some damn ball.
EDIT: And to clarify, I wouldn't trade McNabb for 3 Culpeppers. McNabb is the only hope this team has for a Super Bowl in the next decade or so, and I just want him to turn the corner mentally to lead the team there.
That's exactly what he did this whole season until he couldn't go anymore and everyone's been calling him soft because of it.
No one is calling him soft because of what he does on the field, dude. I think he's soft in the sense that he is still hung up on shtein that happened years ago and talking to the media about every single thing moderately bad thing that has ever happened to him in every single interview is farging infuriating.
There is no problem in saying or thinking that McNabb takes comments too close to heart or that he doesnt. What's stupid as all hell are the people saying that McNabb should be traded or that he sucks because of the way he reacts to comments in the media. Stupid ass fans who cannot seperate the difference are the ones blowing the situation up as usual.
Quote from: rjs246 on February 03, 2006, 10:23:48 AM
No one is calling him soft because of what he does on the field, dude. I think he's soft in the sense that he is still hung up on shtein that happened years ago and talking to the media about every single thing moderately bad thing that has ever happened to him in every single interview is farging infuriating.
I'm not talking about one the field. Everybody in the national and local media was calling him soft because he didn't "fire back" at TO and add to the fire that was blazing all season.
As for him bringing up old shtein... he does so to prove a point in that "here's some more shtein I gotta deal with!" and he's farging right. All this man's done his whole career is win and has to deal with all kinds of stupid shtein from teammates, people who've got no farging reason to be talking about football and the POS's in his own damn city who can't seem to appreciate what they have.
You call him oversensitive... I call it fed up.
McNabb should not be traded, and McNabb does not suck.
Who is going that far with this, and may I please kick their testicles firmly up and out their mouth?
Quote from: FFatPatt on February 03, 2006, 10:39:21 AM
McNabb should not be traded, and McNabb does not suck.
Who is going that far with this, and may I please kick their testicles firmly up and out their mouth?
Venture on over to TATE or turn on WIP. Testicles o' plenty.
so where does everyone fall on a scale of 1-10
10 - mcnabb WILL win a superbowl
8 - mcnabb has everything it takes and will probably win a superbowl
6 - hes a very good qb who i have big doubts about ever winning the big game
4 - good qb who will have good and bad games but isnt capable of winning it all
2 - time to look in another direction
0 - burn em
8
That's as long as AR provides him an adequate supporting cast.
8 cant gauruntee a SB because of 1 player. Takes a solid team.
i'm 8
8.
I jsut want him to keep his farging mouth shut. farging athletes.
I'm going with 7. Firmly between 6-8. I have doubts, but not BIG doubts. I still believe in him.
Probably a 7 or 7.5. ;D
He's a solid 8. More than any previous QB in the last 15 years the birds had. That's all I can ask for. Brady is the only guy I would prefer to Donny.
Quote from: JailBird-man on February 03, 2006, 10:45:31 AM
He's a solid 8. More than any previous QB in the last 15 years the birds had. That's all I can ask for. Brady is the only guy I would prefer to Donny.
Not surprising... the only QB in the league who has more playoff wins than McNabb.
8.5
9
[IGY]4 to 5[/IGY]
Going out on a limb.....
Rating McNabb a 5 is almost as silly as rating him a 9. 9 is homertastic.
5.5 with a bullet
Quote from: FFatPatt on February 03, 2006, 11:24:04 AM
Rating McNabb a 5 is almost as silly as rating him a 9. 9 is homertastic.
I was cancelling out the 5. Duh....
If Trent farging Dilfer can win a super bowl McNabb can. The team needs to stop winning and losing based on one person's performance. It's a team game. McNabb is certainly an 8 if he has the team around him.
I disagree with the premise of the poll anyway. One person does not a football team make, I don't care what position he plays.
Quote from: Phanatic on February 03, 2006, 11:41:05 AM
If Trent farging Dilfer can win a super bowl McNabb can. The team needs to stop winning and losing based on one person's performance. It's a team game. McNabb is certainly an 8 if he has the team around him.
I disagree with the premise of the poll anyway. One person does not a football team make, I don't care what position he plays.
Phanatic, I'll thank you to stop injecting logic into an otherwise perfectly unreasonable conversation.
AND THIS JUST IN: you must have a good team to win the superbowl!!!
My apologies. What was I thinking....
Prattle on McDuff...
My apologies. What was I thinking....
Prattle on McDuff...
dont you go pulling a mcnabb on me....not you!!
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 03, 2006, 11:47:09 AM
AND THIS JUST IN: you must have a good team to win the superbowl!!!
Funny how you seemed to have missed that when you proclaim McNabb
maybe not good enough to win the SB.
in case you didnt notice he was on a good team made the superbowl and he choked like a dog...not to mention hes been on numerous good teams and failed to even make the superbowl
there are players in sports whether it be a goalie on a hockey team or a point guard on a basketball team where you will question whether that team can win it all with said player...you all act like its a foreign concept or something...this has been going on since the beginning of time
its not as if i am saying he cant win one...im saying i have major doubts
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 03, 2006, 12:44:35 PM
in case you didnt notice he was on a good team made the superbowl and he choked like a dog...not to mention hes been on numerous good teams and failed to even make the superbowl
In case YOU didn't notice, in that same Super Bowl, his defense let the Pats score on 4 out of 5 posessions beginning in the 2nd quarter. Did they choke too? Or are you just dumping on the QB because he's the most visible? I don't hear you questioning if Dawkins or Trotter has what it takes to win it all.
Yes, McNabb was the sole reason why they lost that Super Bowl.
Cripes, you're embarrassing.
I blame Korver.
Reid and Jim Johnson lost the superbowl. They were out-coached to an embarrassing degree. The fact that the Eagles kept it close on the scoreboard is a testament to a very talented roster.
im dumping on the qb cause hes stunk in every championship game hes ever played
but i know its the defense or the wr's or they werent supposed to win or it was to cold...at what point to you question the qb
I don't hear you questioning if Dawkins or Trotter has what it takes to win it all.
because i dont believe they are the difference btwn winning a title and not winning a title...mcnabb and his turnovers/brain dead play in the nfc champs /superbowl was
the defense didnt come up short in any of the championship games liek the offense...if in all those nfc champs and superbowl had the defense been torched the way the offense was owned then you gotta look at jj and the leaders over there...but it wasnt....so instead i will focus in on the qb and head coach
IGY you are a supreme douche at times.
he didn't stink against Atlanta, he threw one dumb pass that was dropped by Scott, other than that, he played fine.
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 03, 2006, 01:22:50 PM
im dumping on the qb cause hes stunk in every championship game hes ever played
but i know its the defense or the wr's or they werent supposed to win or it was to cold...at what point to you question the qb
I don't hear you questioning if Dawkins or Trotter has what it takes to win it all.
because i dont believe they are the difference btwn winning a title and not winning a title...mcnabb and his turnovers/brain dead play in the superbowl was
the defense didnt come up short in any of the championship games liek the offense...if in all those nfc champs and superbowl had the defense been torched the way the offense was owned then you gotta look at jj and the leaders over there...but it wasnt....so instead i will focus in on the qb and head coach
what the hell were you watching?
so whose fault was it when jurevisious (who runs a 8.45 40) ran for 70 yards? and who gave up points on 4 of 5 possesions in the SB.
oh...yeah thats right mcnabb. he played like dump vs the Rams, and the Falcons....
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 03, 2006, 01:22:50 PM
im dumping on the qb cause hes stunk in every championship game hes ever played
but i know its the defense or the wr's or they werent supposed to win or it was to cold...at what point to you question the qb
You question the QB when he has all his tools available and still can't get it done... ala Peyton this year. I mean, come championship time, offensively... he's routinely gone against the best teams in the NFL with basically crap around him. You can only carry them so far before the lack of playmakers around you starts to hurt. It's been Pinky & Thrash for most of the run... he's had to deal with no Westbrook next and then no TO last year and still by en large.. got it done.
QuoteI don't hear you questioning if Dawkins or Trotter has what it takes to win it all.
because i dont believe they are the difference btwn winning a title and not winning a title...mcnabb and his turnovers/brain dead play in the nfc champs /superbowl was
the defense didnt come up short in any of the championship games liek the offense...if in all those nfc champs and superbowl had the defense been torched the way the offense was owned then you gotta look at jj and the leaders over there...but it wasnt....so instead i will focus in on the qb and head coach
They're not the difference between winning and losing?! The '00 Ravens and the '02 Bucs would like to have a word with you. Not to mention the one guy who said some crap about defense winning championships. I guess according to you though, we shouldn't even field a defense. Bottom line... had the defense made 1 of those stops in the SB... (Lito's boneheaded play in the end zone, Sheldon picking off that ball that went through his hands and into Branch's, Kearse not getting shook out of his jock by Vrabel) the Eagles could be SB champions.
There's blame to go all around for the championship losses... but you seem hell bent on putting it all on McNabb, while giving everyone else a free pass.
you cant credit mcnabb with getting to all these championship games and then blame the fact that he had no supporting cast...it doesnt work that way
Bottom line... had the defense made 1 of those stops in the SB... (Lito's boneheaded play in the end zone, Sheldon picking off that ball that went through his hands and into Branch's, Kearse not getting shook out of his jock by Vrabel) the Eagles could be SB champions
wrong...if mcnabb doesnt throw one of those first half interceptions the eagles win...he even threw another one in the end zone but a bogus penalty erased it
enough with arguing minutia and semantics....mcnabb is your man no questions asked...sorry if im not fully on board
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 03, 2006, 01:46:22 PM
wrong...if mcnabb doesnt throw one of those first half interceptions the eagles win...he even threw another one in the end zone but a bogus penalty erased it
It's not wrong. All of those things with the defense factored into losing the SB just like McNabb's interceptions. The difference between us seems to be that I realize that it takes the team to win or lose the championships, not just 1 player.
yeah IGY.. You would get rid of Reid, then get rid of McNabb, then do the draft yourself and take care of free agency in your free time... all leading the Eagles to a Superbowl win. We know, we know.
minus the turnovers the eagle defense was better than the patriots
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 03, 2006, 01:59:46 PM
minus the turnovers the eagle defense was better than the patriots
Right, because the Patriots defense had to have stunk....or else McNabb wouldn't have thrown for 345 yards.
id take bradys 200 yards and zero picks over mcnabbs 345 and three anyday
and i never said the patriots d stunk
You would get rid of Reid
gotta go gotta go
then get rid of McNabb
you havent been reading this thread
Trent Dilfer, Brad Johnson and Tom Brady are the only QBs to win super bowls in the two thousands. McNabb is better then two of these guys. What frustrates me most about the Eagles is the coaching. So insanely good, then all of a sudden maddeningly bad for the critical 2 minutes it takes to win the big game. Their success makes it hard to throw everything out the window, but they have to learn to coach the big game.
this thread makes me wish you can throw internet punches.
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 03, 2006, 01:59:46 PM
minus the turnovers the eagle defense was better than the patriots
That's one of the dumbest thinigs you can say.
"Except for a million votes, Bush wouldn't be President."
"Except for the money I've lost in bad investments, I'd be a millionaire."
"Minus the questions I got wrong on that test, I aced it."
Dude, usually you are just annoying. Now you're annoying and rediculous.
its said to make a point...the point being that the eagle defense did not lose that game...mcnabb did...only the most homerous of the homers would argue that...if they can spew ridiculousness then i must sometimes counter with a little bit of my own
I blame Dawkins for the SB loss. I have a nice memory of Corey Dillon carrying him into the endzone burned into my brain. Now, I've blocked out that game, so I don't know if it happened or not. That's what's in my brain, so I blame Dawk.
the eagle defense did just enough to win the game...mcnabb did just enough to lose the game
ok now im really done
Carried into the endzone.
Reid and JJ lost the game. Period.
Fargin' Kotite, man.
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 03, 2006, 02:21:36 PM
the eagle defense did just enough to win the game...mcnabb did just enough to lose the game
ok now im really done
since when is giving up 24 points considered a good effort?
i'm glad that i was too blindingly drunk to remember the super bowl
Good news! When they cover the McNabb/TO saga during halftime of this one they're going to have footage from last year's game.
[phattymattonthephoneafterthesuperbowl]I'm on a bus but I don't know where I'm going. I kind of remember running from some cops.[/phattymattonthephoneafterthesuperbowl]
Quote from: Phanatic on February 03, 2006, 02:10:42 PM
Trent Dilfer, Brad Johnson and Tom Brady are the only QBs to win super bowls in the two thousands. McNabb is better then two of these guys. What frustrates me most about the Eagles is the coaching. So insanely good, then all of a sudden maddeningly bad for the critical 2 minutes it takes to win the big game. Their success makes it hard to throw everything out the window, but they have to learn to coach the big game.
they all had ILL Defense's that caused turnovers and dominated. OH and a RUNNING GAME to take time off the clock!
Quote from: mussa on February 03, 2006, 02:50:35 PM
they all had ILL Defense's that caused turnovers and dominated. OH and a RUNNING GAME to take time off the clock!
[IGY] None of that matters dook... it was all on the QB's. [/IGY]
and it's not even the official off season yet. woo hoo.
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QuoteBrown: That McNabb-T.O. scrap nearly did get physical
Daily News Staff Report
Sheldon Brown remembers that game when Donovan McNabb says his relationship with exiled receiver Terrell Owens went sour.
The Eagles cornerback told the panel yesterday on Comcast SportsNet's "Daily News Live" that if teammates had not intervened, the two might have come to blows.
As the quarterback recalled in an ESPN interview this week, he and Owens argued during the Eagles' win over the Giants on Nov. 28, 2004. McNabb had thrown an incomplete pass toward Brian Westbrook, Owens returned to the huddle and squawked that he was open, and the spat continued into the locker room.
Rumors surfaced that McNabb and Owens nearly began duking it out that day.
"There was not a physical confrontation, because players did not allow that to happen," Brown told the panel. And Brown didn't necessarily take McNabb's side.
"The thing was, Terrell felt disrespected as a man out on the football field, because it happened in front of his peers and other teammates. The bottom line is if [McNabb] wouldn't have made the comment he made the other day, we wouldn't be talking about this, so he's bringing it upon himself.
"It should be over with," Brown said. "[McNabb] should be ready to move on to 2006 and helping the team go to the playoffs."
As McNabb elaborated in the ESPN interview, Owens supposedly came back to the huddle after the incomplete pass and said: " 'Hey, I was open, throw the ball!' Me, being into the game, [I said], 'Hey, get in the huddle man.' In different words, obviously. He continued to talk about how he was open, throw the ball." It wouldn't end and McNabb said, "That led to us talking in the locker room."
That was the big question for Brown. If teammates hadn't intervened, would that locker-room "talk" had ended in fisticuffs?
Brown paused for a second, thought about his answer, chuckled nervously and said, "Probably so."
And what of McNabb's alleged leadership shortcomings?
"I think that's a bunch of baloney, because I think the best leadership quality you could have is the way you perform. The way you perform means more than anything you could say."
Interestingly, if T.O. puts Brown on his resume as a reference for another team, it would be mixed.
"He would be a great teammate as to what he brings to a football field, but there are going to be some guys who are going to be uncomfortable being around him in the locker room, may not feel comfortable talking to the guy," Brown told the panel. "If they can handle that, then that's fine and dandy. But if you really want everyone to be of the same accord as one team, then it eventually will be a problem."
As a general manager, would he steer clear of him? "It all depends," Brown said. He laughed and added, "If you're trying to sell jerseys, sell tickets, make a lot of money, I would probably try it."
Meanwhile, in Denver, Broncos owner Pat Bowlen told the Denver Post that his team has not ruled out the possibility of signing Owens. Several Broncos veterans recently met to discuss the team's pursuit of Owens. The consensus was that it is a good idea because the team has enough veterans to keep the disruptive star in check.
5 is going to slaughter someone. It's always the quiet ones.
I would have taken Don in that brew-haha
TO is an effin a-hole
donovan is not a leader off the field
donovan needs to shut the hell up about all this
TO would have smashed donovan in his face and stabbed his brain with his nose bone
yep
sheldon ripped mcnabb to shreds on dnl & pretty much said he's a bitch.
No, he didn't hunt. ::)
he sure did. i watched the entire interview live & he was very critical of mcnabb.
sheldon ripped mcnabb to shreds on dnl & pretty much said he's a bitch.
pretty much hes saying yeah you a bitch...which everyone knows anyway...but please throw lots of touchdowns passes when youre playing...oh and RUN THE BALL!...if you do that and win a superbowl it doesnt matter how bitchmade you are
sheldon got a man in him (no homo)...team needs more of that...
Quote from: pinoyboy2pt0 on February 04, 2006, 08:53:42 AM
5 is going to slaughter someone. It's always the quiet ones.
I would have taken Don in that brew-haha
I disagree, I think TO would have bitch-slapped him. TO has crazy retard-strength.
Quote from: pinoyboy2pt0 on February 04, 2006, 08:53:42 AM
5 is going to slaughter someone. It's always the quiet ones.
I would have taken Don in that brew-haha
Nah man, as hunt mentioned before, TO has that whole retard strength (BM just mentioned it too) going for him.
Here's a good question: Where was all this 'McNabb is not a leader' talk last season? Convenient that this comes up now. ::)
Quote from: SD_Eagle on February 04, 2006, 10:37:30 AM
Here's a good question: Where was all this 'McNabb is not a leader' talk last season? Convenient that this comes up now. ::)
That's BS. Plenty of people were questioning his leadership after watching how he was running the "hurry up" offense at the end of the Super Bowl. Down two scores with 5 minutes to go, and they're huddling up. Unacceptable.
i'm not sure what you mean by convenient that it comes up now. ??? but i think it's coming up in the media now because of hugh's comments.
I think he's saying that the Eagles finally threw up a complete stinker of a season in which McNabb was never healthy or looked to be particularly dominant, and this is the *first* time anyone's questioning his leadership.
The problem with that is that this is not the first time.
gotcha.
and i agree that it's been brought up before...mostly by fans & some media. now that a player brought it up, it's bigger news.
Quote from: FFatPatt on February 04, 2006, 10:40:04 AM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on February 04, 2006, 10:37:30 AM
Here's a good question: Where was all this 'McNabb is not a leader' talk last season? Convenient that this comes up now. ::)
That's BS. Plenty of people were questioning his leadership after watching how he was running the "hurry up" offense at the end of the Super Bowl. Down two scores with 5 minutes to go, and they're huddling up. Unacceptable.
They were? I recall them questioning the coaching but not his leadership.
Quote from: mhunt on February 04, 2006, 10:41:30 AM
i'm not sure what you mean by convenient that it comes up now. ??? but i think it's coming up in the media now because of hugh's comments.
It comes up now because we're losing and this town is so damn negative. Guess I didn't realize it so much when I was in San Diego, but damn, you'd think Donovan had wronged them some how. "I don't like him because he smiles too much". His leadership ability was good enough to take us to the Superbowl without TO but now because we're losing it's not? Give me a break.
Quote from: FFatPatt on February 04, 2006, 10:44:57 AM
I think he's saying that the Eagles finally threw up a complete stinker of a season in which McNabb was never healthy or looked to be particularly dominant, and this is the *first* time anyone's questioning his leadership.
The problem with that is that this is not the first time.
Maybe I'm wrong then. I just don't recall it being this big of a subject until now.
i just saw sheldon brown rip a puppies head off.
Quote from: Wingspan on February 04, 2006, 10:53:04 AM
i just saw sheldon brown rip a puppies head off.
Happy crappy stupid pup did that?
ive been questioning mcnabbs intestional fortitude for several years...as ray lewis would say he doesnt have that dog in him...nor does the entire team which is a direct result of being coached by reid...i think it a big part of why they have trouble getting over the hump
i dont question mcnabbs leadership abilities...hes not the best leader ive ever seen on the field but hes plenty good enough and is far from the worst...but hes emotionally weaker than seven days and i dont know if you can quartervback a championship team in philly or anywhere for that matter with that kind of make-up...that said he made it to the superbowl so i will still believe he can but id change the coahing staff first...i dont think the combo of mcnabb reid will ever win one
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 04, 2006, 11:01:55 AM
ive been questioning mcnabbs intestional fortitude for several years...as ray lewis would say he doesnt have that dog in him...nor does the entire team which is a direct result of being coached by reid...i think it a big part of why they have trouble getting over the hump
Name me one player in the NFL whose done more with less.
1. McNabb's two-minute drill was Reid's fault. Can't exactly hurry up if there aren't any plays coming into the helmet can ya, geniuses?
2. Stop harping on the final 5 minutes of the SB. The game was lost in the first half. And it was McNabb's fault then. He threw some dumbass INT's. The one to Bruschi was the killer. If they play turnover free they win. But the last 5 minutes was all on Big Red, boys and girls.
3. Sheldon was critical of McNabb, but let;s not make it seem like he hates the guy. Go read what he said in the article I posted. While critical he also supported him.
4. And Hugh also supported Donovan while being critical of him. It's like some of you only see the bad things they said. And what Hugh said is what I've been saying for a long time...Donovan is not a vocal leader. He leads by example on the field. He will not go all win-one-for-the-gipper on you. And he'll step up when need be, we just don;t hear about it all the time. Anyone heard about the incident with TO in NY before this week? Yeah, me either.
not gonna play that game with you anymore...im gonna name names then youre gonna say well they had a better punter than the eagles and im gonna disagree
thanks but no thanks
you have your opinion i have mine
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 04, 2006, 11:06:33 AM
not gonna play that game with you anymore...im gonna name names then youre gonna say well they had a better punter than the eagles and im gonna disagree
thanks but no thanks
you have your opinion i have mine
You're not going to play that game because you know you'd lose. Brady? Nope, has more offensive weapons, a great running game, and a better line than McNabb. Manning? No way, he has all the talent in the world around him. So who?
Huh?
I said that SB loss was on Reid & McNabb. The defense shares in the blame too. But if McNabb doesn't turn it over in the first half, they win.
You're not going to play that game because you know you'd lose
i can live with that
peace
Quote from: SD_Eagle on February 04, 2006, 10:51:09 AM
Maybe I'm wrong then. I just don't recall it being this big of a subject until now.
Maybe not this BIG of a subject, but the breadth of the discussion notwithstanding, it's certainly been mentioned in the media and by fans plenty of times before.
Eh, just cut him and roll the dice with Scramblin' McMahon! :D
I don't wanna read this thread anymore, but I just can't help myself. It's like watching a retard have an argument with a sneaker -- you know it's stupid, but you can't stop watching.
If only I had lock powers....
I can't lock anything, but I can post a neat picture of a lock, as if I were locking the thread:
(http://www.camlock.com/images-news/news-padlock.jpg)
Does that count?
Someone could just come along with one of these...
(http://www.barleans.com/literature/images/125-the-missing-key2.jpg)
To all this nonsense I say WHO CARES. No other football team is constantly being forced to dwell on issues like who fought who, race, is so and so a leader.... I blame WIP 100% for the pure mental retardation that has surrounded media analysis of this team for the past year.
I'm so tired of this shtein. How about discussing football?
Quote from: QB Eagles on February 05, 2006, 02:42:59 PM
To all this nonsense I say WHO CARES. No other football team is constantly being forced to dwell on issues like who fought who, race, is so and so a leader.... I blame WIP 100% for the pure mental retardation that has surrounded media analysis of this team for the past year.
I'm so tired of this shtein. How about discussing football?
I agree. The national media is just as guilty. Apparently straight sports reporting and analysis doesn't garner the ratings of the soap-opera melodramas.
Jesus H. Farging Christ! Doesn't anybody here have anything else better to do than wonder about all this leader/racist/milquetoast bullfargingshtein.
I can't believe a whole farging thread of McNabb being questioned about all this bullshtein. And people say I'm not a real fan.
You all suck elephant ass.
The man played hurt from training camp on, and still gets no respect.
Quote from: shorebird on February 05, 2006, 04:49:36 PM
Jesus H. Farging Christ! Doesn't anybody here have anything else better to do than wonder about all this leader/racist/milquetoast bullfargingshtein.
I can't believe a whole farging thread of McNabb being questioned about all this bullshtein. And people say I'm not a real fan.
You all suck elephant ass.
The man played hurt from training camp on, and still gets no respect.
You're not a real fan. ;D
Don't look at me. I blame the media. And MDS. Damned kids. ;)
Quote from: Geowhizzer on February 05, 2006, 04:53:37 PM
Quote from: shorebird on February 05, 2006, 04:49:36 PM
Jesus H. Farging Christ! Doesn't anybody here have anything else better to do than wonder about all this leader/racist/milquetoast bullfargingshtein.
I can't believe a whole farging thread of McNabb being questioned about all this bullshtein. And people say I'm not a real fan.
You all suck elephant ass.
The man played hurt from training camp on, and still gets no respect.
You're not a real fan. ;D
Don't look at me. I blame the media. And MDS. Damned kids. ;)
Anyone who blames the media for anything is A#1 with me.
Didinger (http://philadelphia.comcastsportsnet.com/view_content_0p.asp?ID=24748)
QuoteDonovan, here's a word of advice: You MUST forget. You have to cut all this scuffed-up baggage loose and that includes the 1999 draft day booing. It is seven years later, the handful of fans who were there have apologized a thousand times, yet you keep bringing it up. Drop it, OK? We've all moved on; you should, too. That's part of leadership, demonstrating you are bigger than all that stuff.
To play quarterback in any NFL town, but especially this town, you must have a thick skin and a short memory. This is no place for a brooder or a whiner. In this ESPN interview, McNabb made himself appear to be both and it had many people – including his fans and perhaps even some teammates – questioning his state of mind going into next season.
diddy droppin science on the seeds...school is in session
FOR THE LOVE OF GOD PLEASE MAKE IT STOP PLEASE MAKE IT STOP PLEASE MAKE IT STOP!!!!!!!!
:'(
Quote from: BigEd76 on February 10, 2006, 10:37:42 AM
Didinger (http://philadelphia.comcastsportsnet.com/view_content_0p.asp?ID=24748)
QuoteDonovan, here's a word of advice: You MUST forget. You have to cut all this scuffed-up baggage loose and that includes the 1999 draft day booing. It is seven years later, the handful of fans who were there have apologized a thousand times, yet you keep bringing it up. Drop it, OK? We've all moved on; you should, too. That's part of leadership, demonstrating you are bigger than all that stuff.
To play quarterback in any NFL town, but especially this town, you must have a thick skin and a short memory. This is no place for a brooder or a whiner. In this ESPN interview, McNabb made himself appear to be both and it had many people – including his fans and perhaps even some teammates – questioning his state of mind going into next season.
Didinger >>> all of you idiots who were defending McNabb on this
I couldn't agree with him more.
the fourth printing of "The Eagles Encyclopedia" is now available in bookstores and on-line. I will be signing copies at the Barnes and Noble in Exton on Friday, Feb. 10, at 7 p.m. and at the Barnes and Noble in Wilmington on Saturday, Feb. 11, at 5 p.m.
hooray for self pimping!
I don't know how many people have actually defended mcanabb for his incessant whining. Usually the defending is directed at something else because anyone who can't see that he's a whiner who can't let go of old shtein is just retarded.
another shtein storm on the way??
QuoteEagles | Limbaugh agrees with caller's remarks on McNabb
Fri, 10 Feb 2006 10:29:20 -0800
William Bunch, of the Philadelphia Daily News, reports radio talk show host and former NFL football analyst Rush Limbaugh recently agreed with comments by a caller who compared Illinois Sen. Barack Obama to Philadelphia Eagles QB Donovan McNabb. The caller to Limbaugh's show had said: "Barack Obama is the Donovan McNabb of the Senate. He's overrated, and he's going to get a free pass by the media." The caller added that Obama was "well-spoken," "well-mannered" and is "like a Bill Clinton, but just a different shade, that's all." Limbaugh added, "I kind of like that analogy that he is the Donovan McNabb of the U.S. Senate in the sense that he is being propped up... because they want to see him do well." In 2003, Limbaugh resigned from ESPN's 'Sunday NFL Countdown' show for accusing McNabb of being overrated because "the media has been very desirous that a black quarterback do well."
yo sun did you catch the caller on wip today who said blacks cant be intelligent quarterbacks
no, i don't listen to WIP much anymore. but that sounds about right.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on February 10, 2006, 01:42:07 PM
no, i don't listen to WIP much anymore. but that sounds about right.
Guess you're too busy listening to the Oprah channel ;)
Quote from: BigEd76 on February 10, 2006, 10:37:42 AM
Didinger (http://philadelphia.comcastsportsnet.com/view_content_0p.asp?ID=24748)
QuoteDonovan, here's a word of advice: You MUST forget. You have to cut all this scuffed-up baggage loose and that includes the 1999 draft day booing. It is seven years later, the handful of fans who were there have apologized a thousand times, yet you keep bringing it up. Drop it, OK? We've all moved on; you should, too. That's part of leadership, demonstrating you are bigger than all that stuff.
To play quarterback in any NFL town, but especially this town, you must have a thick skin and a short memory. This is no place for a brooder or a whiner. In this ESPN interview, McNabb made himself appear to be both and it had many people – including his fans and perhaps even some teammates – questioning his state of mind going into next season.
Couldn't agree more with Diddy. Yo Donovan, 75% of this city loves you, they
want to embrace you, stop making it so damn difficult.
I hate this dumbass soap opera. Focus on football, not race or any of this other shtein.
Quote from: MDS on February 11, 2006, 10:58:43 AM
I hate this dumbass soap opera. Focus on football, not race or any of this other shtein.
Dear God... ain't that the truth!
I think I said it somewhere in this thread, but last year was the least fun I've had watching the Eagles. It sucked because the talk was never about the team, it was always about TO. 2004 was the same but easier to ignore when you're winning. I become completely disinterested in football this year. Not just the Eagles, but football in general. Because even if I was watching a non-Eagle game they'd still manage to bring up the TO/McNabb soap opera. :boom
Quote from: Sgt PSN on February 11, 2006, 03:35:34 PM
I think I said it somewhere in this thread, but last year was the least fun I've had watching the Eagles. It sucked because the talk was never about the team, it was always about TO. 2004 was the same but easier to ignore when you're winning. I become completely disinterested in football this year. Not just the Eagles, but football in general. Because even if I was watching a non-Eagle game they'd still manage to bring up the TO/McNabb soap opera. :boom
You pansy! You're a disgrace to your Chuck Norris avatar. Trade it in right now and get the Strawberry Shortcake avatar that is more your style.
By the way, I agree with you. :paranoid
I'm with you. I was telling my barber the same thing this morning. This year wasn't fun at all and it really wasn't even about the 6-10 record. We've had many losing seasons and unfortunately, we'll have many more. It's just the fact that I had to cringe every time I saw the Eagles logo pop up on the TV this year because I figured it was just more TO bullshtein. I got so sick of seeing us on TV for all the wrong reasons this year.
For the first time ever, I couldn't wait for the offseason to get here. I would give my right nut (well, maybe my left one) to fast forward to March 3 and see us remove the cancer from the Eagles and start the repairing process.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on February 11, 2006, 03:35:34 PM
I think I said it somewhere in this thread, but last year was the least fun I've had watching the Eagles. It sucked because the talk was never about the team, it was always about TO. 2004 was the same but easier to ignore when you're winning. I become completely disinterested in football this year. Not just the Eagles, but football in general. Because even if I was watching a non-Eagle game they'd still manage to bring up the TO/McNabb soap opera. :boom
Didn't you hear? John Elway said he wouldn't be a good fit for the Broncos, I mean...John freaking Elway!
Quote from: Geowhizzer on February 11, 2006, 03:44:26 PM
You pansy! You're a disgrace to your Chuck Norris avatar. Trade it in right now and get the Strawberry Shortcake avatar that is more your style.
By the way, I agree with you. :paranoid
Damn right you agree with me. Or you'll feel the wrath of a Chuck Norris roundhouse kick to the chode.
Sometimes I wonder if Rush is the Greaseman minus the sweet sound effects.
mcnabb is on espn classic right now
syracuse vs va tech
supposed to be on nfl total access tonight:
7 p.m. and 10 p.m. ET -- Total Access
NFL Total Access
* Donovan McNabb on Eagles cam
* Steve Mariucci and John Madden bocce ball tournament
* Adam Schefter goes Around the League
* If you would like to send a question for any of tonight's guests, e-mail us at: TotalAccess@nfl.com