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[ice grillin you]

FF,

You say McNabb should've spoke out on it last year? That wasn't the time to speak out for a couple reasons...

1. It is during the season and they didn't need MORE drama. He'd only be adding to the fire. He didn't want to do that, I guess. And I agree with tha approach.

2. After he got hurt he didn't talk at all. He didn't want to take attention away from the guys still playing.



please...your ass it getting torched for six months...you better step and do SOMETHING ANYTHING!

phil sheridan made a great point in his column yesterday...said that TO is one of the most despicable human beings around but he won this battle and got many people to side with him because he was outspoken and made his points loud anc clear...and even tho they were ridiculous he still a had a message that hit hard...shtein talk is better than no talk

furthermore its not just when mcnabb came out on this its how he came out...hes so weak and pitiful...its not attacking TO its woe me...poor little donovan gets criticized by everyone...wah sob cry bawl...i remember everything everyone says abolut me...i forget nothing...the booing at the draft...the choking in the superbowl talk..michael irvin on espn...i dont run enough...the ghetto hates me...

if he came out on wednesday and started raining f bombs all over dat ass...and verbally took TO behind the woodshed that would have been another thing...attack him for the things he actually did that were wrong...he would have done much better for himself as opposed to holding a pity party and dropping race cards

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

Phreak,

Once again... Let me make it very clear that I am not nearly as bothered that McNabb chose to speak out compared to how annoyed I am at what, exactly, he said.  He sounded like a complete buffoon for a lot of that interview... either that or a wounded duck with an aching vagina.  Either way, it reminded me of Sean Connery's line from "The Rock":

"Losers whine about their 'best'. Winners go home and farg the prom queen."

[PhillyPhreak54]

Come on, IGY. This all goes back to what I said before. Why must Donovan speak publicly at that time? Just so he can appease those of you who want to see it drag out in the media?

Sure it's great for talk radio and the papers and the select amount of fans who want to see a good ol' fight. But what does that solve?

I guarantee you that had McNabb blasted TO in camp he would've been accused of doing it at the wrong time and taking the focus off the team. Tell me that wouldn't have been the reaction.

And why is what he said looked at as whining and sobbing? The only thing I had a problem with was the race bullshtein. I don't like it at all. But what was the problem with everything else he said?

He answered questions about the situation. But because he does it now versus then it is whining? I don't get it. So would you have been cool with him saying the exact same thing 6 months ago? You know it would've been the same stuff. So whats the damn difference between August and February?

[PhillyPhreak54]

Dawkins supports McNabb

Eagles free safety Brian Dawkins says he still has confidence in his quarterback.
"He absolutely is, and will continue to be, a leader for us," Dawkins said in a phone conversation.

Dawkins spoke yesterday, a day after former Eagle Hugh Douglas questioned McNabb's leadership on a radio show and the quarterback blasted Terrell Owens on ESPN.

The safety said he realizes that McNabb experienced frustration that went beyond his sports hernia, which limited him to nine games

It was the first time that McNabb had truly taken off the gloves when discussing Owens, and two of his teammates said they could understand.

"When I heard about it, I wasn't surprised," Dawkins said. "Every person has a breaking point."

Eagles defensive end N.D. Kalu agreed.

"Part of me is surprised, but every man, no matter how good he is at letting things roll off his back, has a breaking point," said Kalu, who will be an unrestricted free agent. "It finally got to the point that he was sick of hearing it, and he responded.

"Just about everybody respects him for not confronting T.O." during the season, Kalu said. "Most saw him as taking the high road, but as crazy as it sounds, some questioned his toughness for not responding, and I think it finally caught up to him."

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

And why is what he said looked at as whining and sobbing? The only thing I had a problem with was the race bullshtein. I don't like it at all. But what was the problem with everything else he said?

That's primarily what he's talking about.  It's obvious he carries booing at the draft, Rush Limbaugh, the Philly NAACP, and now T.O. as a big chip on his shoulder, and that makes him a whiny bitch.  You say it's a good thing that he's "getting this off his chest now", but he's not.  He's sharing what he's feeling, and what he's STILL feeling.

He's not going to lead us to a Super Bowl unless he learns to truly put past criticisms behind him, instead of talking about putting them behind him when they are, in fact, obviously NOT behind him.

[henchmanUK]

"Just about everybody respects him for not confronting T.O." during the season, Kalu said. "Most saw him as taking the high road, but as crazy as it sounds, some questioned his toughness for not responding, and I think it finally caught up to him."

So McNabb's damned if he does, damned if he doesn't. Hopefully this whole incident will have been forgotten when September rolls around.

[ice grillin you]

You say it's a good thing that he's "getting this off his chest now", but he's not.  He's sharing what he's feeling, and what he's STILL feeling.

He's not going to lead us to a Super Bowl unless he learns to truly put past criticisms behind him,

ladies and gentleman we have a winner

[MURP]

I've been looking around the net at other football boards.  Except for the obviously dumb remark of "black on black" crime by McNabb, it seems that a majority of other teams fans have a high respect for the way McNabb carries himself and his responses to the situations he is put in.  Just goes to show that once again, most of Philadelphia's stupid fan base is up to their usual nonsense.

[PhillyPhreak54]

What does what the guy thinks have to do with winning a Super Bowl? Like that would affect his play on the field. Stop. That is crazy talk, bro. Did the booing and Rush affect him in 2004? Nope.

So what if the guy takes things to heart? He's one of those guys who wants everyone to like him. That is a personality trait. But it doesn't affect his play on the field.

I don't care what fans say about him holding grudges. Everyone holds some grudges sometimes. Just because you make millions doesn't mean you're immune to feeling like a person. And he was affected by the numerous ridiculous things said about him.

I'll say this and concede for this point that...even though this is viewed as a stupid episode by him by many... So what? It is ONE mistake he's made. How many times do we see guys farg up only to get second chances?

The guy was booed by his "fans" before he ever even suited up for them. Those yokels can spin it anyway they want but the fact is that he was booed by them. They can say they weren't booing McNabb but rather booing no Ricky.

Then he was ripped by Rush.

Then he was dragged through the mud by TO.

Then he was ripped by Mondesire.

Even the most stoic person can be affected once enough shtein is thrown at them. I agree with Dawk and Kalu on that. McNabb reached his breaking point, which everyone has one.

So let's roast the guy for being dumb one time. Let's say that he needs to be traded, released, burned, shot, killed, maimed and any other thing suggested by Eagles fans. Let's say that he will not win a SB because of this. Yeah, that's the ticket!

[henchmanUK]

Well said, Phreak.

[PhillyPhreak54]

LEADERSHIP FLOATS

Les Bowen

DETROIT - Brian Dawkins didn't sound too perturbed.

"This, too, shall pass," the Eagles' Pro Bowl free safety said over the phone yesterday, when asked to weigh in on the latest turbulence to engulf his team, the most recent aftershock from a natural disaster of a season. "We'll get to minicamp and we'll turn the page. That's going to happen."

It was a relief to hear somebody say so.

It would have been nicer to hear Eagles coach Andy Reid say it, but you'd have had a better chance yesterday of getting a sound bite from Punxsutawney Phil. An Eagles spokesman basically said the organization didn't want to fuel the hubbub for another day.

As if not saying anything would make it go away.

Elsewhere, Eagles Nation seemed to be in what is becoming its favorite mode - full, shrieking, the-sky-is-falling meltdown.

Trade Donovan McNabb!

Where are the leaders?!! Oh my God, there aren't any leaders! We're doomed!!

And it's only February.

There are many points to be made here, in the wake of quarterback McNabb baring his hurt feelings, and team ambassador Hugh Douglas declaring the locker room to be void of inspirational leaders, specifically targeting McNabb.

First, criticizing the Eagles' locker-room leadership, which includes Dawkins, for the way the Terrell Owens matter unfolded is pretty easy, for people who weren't there and have never had to deal with such a train wreck. It's still unclear exactly what sort of leadership would have soothed Owens' pathological need for conflict with authority. Maybe, back at Lehigh, they should have issued McNabb a Taser?

"I don't see a lack of leaders," Dawkins said. "We have enough leadership to get us back to where we need to be. There is no right way or wrong way to handle a situation like that. We tried to get through the situation. The season is over with. There's nothing we can go back and change. I believe that you build character through adversity, and we're
going to be stronger for this."

Douglas - a funny, friendly, wonderful guy to be around - presumably considers himself the sort of vocal leader who would have taken charge, had he still been on the team. Yet, we all know what happened when Douglas confronted T.O., in what became Owens' final week with the Birds. At season's end, Douglas' ex-teammates targeted that training-room dustup as the moment the Eagles' choo-choo truly went off the rails for good. What kind of leadership was that, exactly, and how did it help, again?

Second, McNabb did absolutely nothing to invite the conflict with Owens, and he has every right to be bitter about teammates who fully understood the situation but just couldn't pass on an opportunity to see Jay-Z's club in Atlantic City for T.O.'s birthday party. Still, the time to discuss that stuff was a month ago, when the season was ending. McNabb was nowhere to be found back then. That isn't exactly what Douglas was talking about, but it is a legitimate criticism, if less self-serving than what Douglas said.

Presumably, McNabb said nothing then to his teammates. He certainly said nothing to reporters. We thought, when key players said at the end of the season that they supported McNabb and understood why T.O. had to go, that the matter was resolved.

Even Jeremiah Trotter signed on in support of McNabb.

Reporters covering the team were surprised, and thrown off-balance, when McNabb started talking about guys not having his back toward the end of a confab on Tuesday here at the Super Bowl, following his appearance for Campbell's Chunky Soup. After making headlines in Philadelphia with those tidbits, he went on ESPN on Wednesday (speaking for the first time since his sports-hernia surgery, according to the network, which apparently doesn't ever see the headlines in Philadelphia). There, McNabb resurrected the "black-on-black crime" remark his father made back in November, which didn't go over well then and didn't improve with age.

It's unclear what McNabb was trying to accomplish.

"He did what he thought was best," said Dawkins, who called McNabb "a strong leader on the team."

Dawkins said, though, that his own policy was to not comment any further about the ins and outs of the Owens situation; he had decreed he was done with that once the season was over. Dawkins didn't say McNabb should have done the same, but he didn't seem to think McNabb had done much to help the situation.

"Donovan needed to get something off his chest," Dawkins said. "Whether you feel he was right or wrong, he did it."

He sure did. And he unleashed a whole new round of vitriol from his critics.

The Eagles need a lot of things from this offseason. They need to officially and finally rid themselves of T.O. They need help on both lines, at linebacker, at running back and wide receiver. It wouldn't hurt for several of the acquisitions to be solid-citizen, vocal-leader types.

But just as much, the Eagles need to settle down, and stop addressing one another through the media. Maybe Reid needs to emerge from his bunker and convene some sort of leadership summit.

The most important factor in getting the Eagles back into contention is getting McNabb healthy and confident again. Anybody who thinks there's another path back to the playoffs is delusional. But after this week, it's fair to wonder just how large and complex a task that might be.

This right here is the truth. This is the winner.

[phillywin2k5]

someone must step up publicly to TO and blast his ass when he talks from his ass, let him know who runs the ship. Donovan doesnt let anyone know he runs the ship. Sometimes to be a leader you need to be a bastich. Unless Reid steps up this offseason to work with McNabb in becoming the captain of this ship, its on its way down a slippery slope.

[Wingspan]

And why is what he said looked at as whining and sobbing? The only thing I had a problem with was the race bullshtein. I don't like it at all. But what was the problem with everything else he said?

That's primarily what he's talking about.  It's obvious he carries booing at the draft, Rush Limbaugh, the Philly NAACP, and now T.O. as a big chip on his shoulder, and that makes him a whiny bitch.  You say it's a good thing that he's "getting this off his chest now", but he's not.  He's sharing what he's feeling, and what he's STILL feeling.

this may be a surprise to most people...but he is human. why is it wrong for him to still be bitter about all of those things that happened?

if i went through half of that, you dont think i would use it as a chip on my shoulder? hell yeah.

brady does it. he says he is still insulted that he was a 6th round pick.

[PhillyGirl]

someone must step up publicly to TO and blast his ass when he talks from his ass, let him know who runs the ship. Donovan doesnt let anyone know he runs the ship. Sometimes to be a leader you need to be a bastich. Unless Reid steps up this offseason to work with McNabb in becoming the captain of this ship, its on its way down a slippery slope.

Is this a joke? I am so SICK of hearing this horseshtein.

[ice grillin you]

he didnt reach a breaking point...he finally just spoke on the issues...and his talk is a clear representation of his psyche...which is soft whiny to easily effected by the weakest of criticisms

20 eagle fans boo the teams choice of pick seven years ago and hes still hung up on it?

some psycho nazi right wing racist blowhard speaks on his football play....and he cares why?

jerry mondesire?...gimme a break...two days after he spouted off the national president of the naacp ripped mondesire...so why is that still even being mentioned

what scares me is that if these stupid ass things bother him imagine what real pressure or a big mistake in a big football game game will do to him...what happens when he gets booed out of the stadium early next season cause of a bad game or loss...and then following week hes getting killed in the philly media...does he hold that with him and let it effect him on the field like he lets thess other far less issues bother him...i wonder if hes even past the dallas pick yet...