adding to a stat from last week.
QuoteReno Mahe would be leading the NFL in punt-return average with a 14.5-yard average, except he's three short of qualifying. Mahe needs five punt returns Sunday in St. Louis to qualify.
The Rams rank 30th in the league in punt-return defense.
"He's doing a good job," special-teams coach John Harbaugh said. "He's going better north-south. He's also getting better punts to return. Early in the year, we were getting a lot of 5.0 hang-time punts. That's tough."
If he leads the NFL in punt return average Reid has a good excuse to keep him around next season.
Quote from: MURP on December 16, 2005, 09:55:12 AM
QuoteMahe needs five punt returns Sunday in St. Louis to qualify.
i am fairly confident he can return 5 more punts. but i am not so confident that the defence can force 5 more punts. ^-^
That's great, but I don't feel as though Reno is the type of player who has the vision and the shiftiness to break one and go the distance on a punt return. He's good at getting 10-15 yards per return, but I fear he will never be the type of player who could bust a 60-70 yard punt return for a TD.
Because he lacks playmaking ability, I don't see a reason to keep him around. We need someone back there who could change a game, little ol' Reno can't do that.
I was always okay with Reno's (relatively) decent ball control, but I don't recall him ever running a kick for more than 15 yards.
is it wrong to hope he gets injured before getting 5 touches?
Quote from: T_Section224 on December 16, 2005, 01:11:17 PM
is it wrong to hope he gets injured before getting 5 touches?
That's fine. What's wrong is wishing he fumbles four of the five punts which get recovered by the kicking team and returned for TDs, and then gets injured on the fifth and final punt. Then he gets cut never to play for the Eagles again.
I'm wrong.
So say we cut Mahe, and add a playmaker. That playmakaer will cost money... which then can not be spent on the other playmakers we need (say WR, LB, D-line, arguably tackle and RB, and according to some QB as well).
Well, if I have to choose between cutting Mahe and run into even more problems in area's where we already have problems, or keep Mahe and spend the money on a playmaker I would chose the latter.
Remember Rossum? Yes he broke one occasionally, but he lost a bunch of fumbles as well. Apart from last game, I have hardly heared a Mahe SNAFU being mentioned by Mike and Merril. And what was one of the greatest assets of one of the better returners in NFL history (a certain former taterskin and Eagle)? It was the fact that he hardly ever fumbled, and only took calculated risks.
It IS a shame that Mahe seems to lack a breakaway speed. On the other hand, with hang-times of 5+ seconds working against you and blocking that is not that good either, then you'll not have too much chance to go anywhere.
Quote from: DutchBird on December 16, 2005, 01:25:39 PM
So say we cut Mahe, and add a playmaker. That playmakaer will cost money... which then can not be spent on the other playmakers we need (say WR, LB, D-line, arguably tackle and RB, and according to some QB as well).
Well, if I have to choose between cutting Mahe and run into even more problems in area's where we already have problems, or keep Mahe and spend the money on a playmaker I would chose the latter.
Remember Rossum? Yes he broke one occasionally, but he lost a bunch of fumbles as well. Apart from last game, I have hardly heared a Mahe SNAFU being mentioned by Mike and Merril. And what was one of the greatest assets of one of the better returners in NFL history (a certain former taterskin and Eagle)? It was the fact that he hardly ever fumbled, and only took calculated risks.
It IS a shame that Mahe seems to lack a breakaway speed. On the other hand, with hang-times of 5+ seconds working against you and blocking that is not that good either, then you'll not have too much chance to go anywhere.
The flaw in your argument is that we will not have enough money. We will, and do have every year, extra, unspent money. So there!!
Yeah, getting someone back there who can return punts won't cost a boatload of money. The Eagles should be able to find someone who is relatively cheap. If not, there is always the draft.
I'm not talking about breaking the bank for a punt returner, but get someone in here who will be the 3rd or 4th WR that can also return kicks.
Quote from: methdeez on December 16, 2005, 01:36:37 PM
Quote from: DutchBird on December 16, 2005, 01:25:39 PM
So say we cut Mahe, and add a playmaker. That playmakaer will cost money... which then can not be spent on the other playmakers we need (say WR, LB, D-line, arguably tackle and RB, and according to some QB as well).
Well, if I have to choose between cutting Mahe and run into even more problems in area's where we already have problems, or keep Mahe and spend the money on a playmaker I would chose the latter.
Remember Rossum? Yes he broke one occasionally, but he lost a bunch of fumbles as well. Apart from last game, I have hardly heared a Mahe SNAFU being mentioned by Mike and Merril. And what was one of the greatest assets of one of the better returners in NFL history (a certain former taterskin and Eagle)? It was the fact that he hardly ever fumbled, and only took calculated risks.
It IS a shame that Mahe seems to lack a breakaway speed. On the other hand, with hang-times of 5+ seconds working against you and blocking that is not that good either, then you'll not have too much chance to go anywhere.
The flaw in your argument is that we will not have enough money. We will, and do have every year, extra, unspent money. So there!!
Though that might be true for week 1 of the season, most, if not all would be spent on extensions for players. So that we could try and sign free agents the next year. There is a reason why a number of contracts (like the McNabb) are comparatively "cheap" against the cap. A similar story goes for bonuses/rewards for incentives... And there is a reason why, despite these contracts, the Eagles have so far been able to go after the free agents they wished.
Despite all claims that Lury pockets Millions after the seaosn of unspent cap money, I have harldy (if ever) seen news articles stating that after Super Bowl Sunday eagles have millions in money left, which goes right into Luries pockets. If that would have the case even once, let alone consistently as some people claim, don't you think anyone in the media (being the local newspapers, FOX, ESPN, CBS, CNNSI) would have been all over it? Who is the source of all these claims? THe same idiot who hired a bunch of drunks in order to boo McNabb at the draft. That Eckel dude?
With the "cut every non-superstar" attitude some are displaying we would not have been in a position to sign Kearse, T.O, keep McNabb, Dawkins, Westbrook. What do you think a top notch LB who almost everyone is screaming for, will cost? Do you think that Reggie Wayne or Eric Moulds (if they hit Free Agency), will come for free? What about a RB? What about extra help for the D-line?
Just glancing over the average Philly Eagles board people want half the D-line cut, just as half the linebackers, grudgingly admits they can accept Tra Thomas and Runyan for another year (but hope for a top center), want half our WR's gone, all but 1.5 RB (Gordon being doubtful) RB. The position where there is least bitching about are the DB's... and even there people are writing off al but our normal starting foursome (though Sheppard is being chewed at).
Sure, there are better players then Mahe available. But IMHO there are far worse problems on this team, and far more pressing needs. And those are, IMHO, far more important to spend money on then getting a hit-or-miss guy to replace a usually solid though unspectacular cog on the team.
Quote from: Eaglez on December 16, 2005, 02:04:27 PM
Yeah, getting someone back there who can return punts won't cost a boatload of money. The Eagles should be able to find someone who is relatively cheap. If not, there is always the draft.
I'm not talking about breaking the bank for a punt returner, but get someone in here who will be the 3rd or 4th WR that can also return kicks.
So, say we do... and then hope we luck out on the fact that this dude does not muff every third punt, or fumbles upon being hit? There are enough of these dudes already in the league.... and all but two or three probably are ahead in effectivenes to Mahe. So say, if these guys return 1 or 2 punts per year for a TD (as that seems to be, if you are lucky, the average of the top returners in NFL history over their career) yet coasts you 3 or more TD's because of fumbles close to your own endzone, you lose instead of win.
It hardly matters who's back there. Does this defense force more than two punts a game anymore? What we really need is a great kickoff return man. Five, six, seven of those a game.
Quote from: MURP on December 16, 2005, 09:55:12 AM
adding to a stat from last week.
QuoteReno Mahe would be leading the NFL in punt-return average with a 14.5-yard average, except he's three short of qualifying. Mahe needs five punt returns Sunday in St. Louis to qualify.
The Rams rank 30th in the league in punt-return defense.
"He's doing a good job," special-teams coach John Harbaugh said. "He's going better north-south. He's also getting better punts to return. Early in the year, we were getting a lot of 5.0 hang-time punts. That's tough."
Mahe can do alot of things..he just hasn't excelled at anything yet ::)
If he leads the NFL in punt return average Reid has a good excuse to keep him around next season.
Quote from: Susquehanna Birder on December 16, 2005, 12:51:54 PM
I was always okay with Reno's (relatively) decent ball control, but I don't recall him ever running a kick for more than 15 yards.
Against Seattle he had atleast 2 that were over 20...
Quote from: Dillen37 on December 16, 2005, 02:56:49 PM
Quote from: Susquehanna Birder on December 16, 2005, 12:51:54 PM
I was always okay with Reno's (relatively) decent ball control, but I don't recall him ever running a kick for more than 15 yards.
Against Seattle he had atleast 2 that were over 20...
He had one of 44 yards against the Hawks and the 28 yarder against the Giants right before halftime last week. I think the other one against the Hawks went for 26.
Returns over 20+ yards...
Randel-El: 1
Dante Hall: 1
Reno Mahe: 4
Mahe = sole pro-bowl representative. :-D
inconceivable!
Quote from: Larry on December 16, 2005, 03:24:04 PM
Returns over 20+ yards...
Randel-El: 1
Dante Hall: 1
Reno Mahe: 4
Mahe = sole pro-bowl representative. :-D
I love it when reality breaks up all our little biases and misconceptions.
Quote from: methdeez on December 16, 2005, 03:35:35 PM
Quote from: Larry on December 16, 2005, 03:24:04 PM
Returns over 20+ yards...
Randel-El: 1
Dante Hall: 1
Reno Mahe: 4
Mahe = sole pro-bowl representative. :-D
I love it when reality breaks up all our little biases and misconceptions.
are you kidding me? i'd still rather have Dante Hall or Randel-El in a miliheartbeat. one dumb stat doesn't change the fact that Reno Mahe is only in the NFL because of the college he went to
I can't even remember Reno returning that many punts all season.
seriously.
who has the defense stopped that we forced punts from, the 9ers?
Yeah, he doesn't dance and sing like he's in a farging minstrel show, but so what? He handles the ball well. How many fumbles lost on punts? And makes the most of what he gets.
I mostly recall Reno frequently waving for a fair catch with 10+ yards of open field in front of him. Does anyone know the stats for how many fair catches he has per punt as compared to Randel El or Dante Hall?
Quote from: jeffreyjpa on December 16, 2005, 05:24:18 PM
I mostly recall Reno frequently waving for a fair catch with 10+ yards of open field in front of him. Does anyone know the stats for how many fair catches he has per punt as compared to Randel El or Dante Hall?
I remember a certain Hall of Fame prospect, who holds or has held many records concerning returns and IIRC has third most all purpose yards in NFL history, going by the name of B. Mitchell, playing both for the (censored)skins and later for us do an awful lot of fair-catch waving as well. And not one person with two or more working braincells would/could ever suggest that that certain Mitchell dude did not know what he was doing.
And 10+ yards is not much of a distance when you have guys covering that in roughly a second coming down on you. Frankly, you are plane stupid if you know the angles games is unfavorable and take the risk of trying to catch it and run, get hit under the wrong angle and fumble the football.
So, how many fumbles has Reno had compared to some of the glory boys?
Quote from: Wingspan on December 16, 2005, 10:18:04 AM
Quote from: MURP on December 16, 2005, 09:55:12 AM
QuoteMahe needs five punt returns Sunday in St. Louis to qualify.
i am fairly confident he can return 5 more punts. but i am not so confident that the defence can force 5 more punts. ^-^
Second funniest thing I've heard all season! :-D :-D
Dutch, are you really comparing Reno Mahe to Brian Mitchell?
Had more time to do a little research, since the question was out there:
Dante Hall 33 Returns 5.8 Average 5 FCs
Randel El 33 Returns 7.1 Average 9 FCs
R. Mahe 14 Returns 14.5 Average 7 FCs
I have a feeling if Reno returned 33+ punts, his average per return might dip a little.
2005 NFL Punt Return Stats (http://www.nfl.com/stats/playersort/NFL/PR-PUNTRETURNS/2005/regular?&_3:col_1=5&_3:col_2=9)
(http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/uploads/photos/perm/main/CGKLBIOIBJCD/Mahe-3.jpg)
I will follow this man into battle!
Quote from: jeffreyjpa on December 16, 2005, 08:18:30 PM
Had more time to do a little research, since the question was out there:
Dante Hall 33 Returns 5.8 Average 5 FCs
Randel El 33 Returns 7.1 Average 9 FCs
R. Mahe 14 Returns 14.5 Average 7 FCs
I have a feeling if Reno returned 33+ punts, his average per return might dip a little.
2005 NFL Punt Return Stats (http://www.nfl.com/stats/playersort/NFL/PR-PUNTRETURNS/2005/regular?&_3:col_1=5&_3:col_2=9)
What really pisses me off is seeing Brian Westbrooks name on that stats list. The way he's been hurt every season of his short career, note to AR: keep him off special teams will ya!
Reno's Destiny:
(http://www.idigsports.com/images/football_hall_of_fame_logo.jpg)
>:D
Quote from: Don Ho on December 16, 2005, 08:59:18 PM
(http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/uploads/photos/perm/main/CGKLBIOIBJCD/Mahe-3.jpg)
I will follow this man into battle!
:-D
Quote from: jeffreyjpa on December 16, 2005, 08:18:30 PM
Had more time to do a little research, since the question was out there:
Dante Hall 33 Returns 5.8 Average 5 FCs
Randel El 33 Returns 7.1 Average 9 FCs
R. Mahe 14 Returns 14.5 Average 7 FCs
I have a feeling if Reno returned 33+ punts, his average per return might dip a little.
2005 NFL Punt Return Stats (http://www.nfl.com/stats/playersort/NFL/PR-PUNTRETURNS/2005/regular?&_3:col_1=5&_3:col_2=9)
Stop it with these silly facts!
We decided Reno sucks at PR and that is all there is to it. It's not subjective, and you're wrong.
I predict this thread will surpass the TO thread that ended up over 50 pages.
Quote from: jeffreyjpa on December 16, 2005, 08:06:04 PM
Dutch, are you really comparing Reno Mahe to Brian Mitchell?
Yes and no... Just pointing out that some of the things people are bitching about is what made Brian Mitchell great. Or the fact that I heared very few complaints about B. Mitchell faircatching.
Nowhere did I say that Reno will be as good as Mitchell. What I am trying to say is that he is not as bad as he is made out to be. Bitch all you want, but my guess is that when you add all things up (returns, fair catches, fumbles, risky catches (as in catcching the ball and being hit within 1.0 seconds, balls not even touched) he will rank among the better returners in the league.
Valid points, and you've given me something else to consider.
Do you think he'll be the Eagles punt returner going into 2006? I kind of assumed he was stop-gap for this season (given the injuries to JR Reid, Lito, etc.)...maybe not, if Reid believes the 14.5 PR average is not an apparition.
Quote from: jeffreyjpa on December 17, 2005, 08:41:26 AM
Valid points, and you've given me something else to consider.
Do you think he'll be the Eagles punt returner going into 2006? I kind of assumed he was stop-gap for this season (given the injuries to JR Reid, Lito, etc.)...maybe not, if Reid believes the 14.5 PR average is not an apparition.
Depends... also on who they get in the draft and the off-season. But on the current Eagles, I think he is the only one who would be a viable option for next season. JR Reid would have been an option, considering he has shown flashes in the past. However, there is no telling how good he'll be after his injury. The other options in Westbrook and Sheppard are massive no-no's to me. We do not ask Donovan to do kick-coverage, either. I can't think of another viable candidate.
So, in my opinion there are many more important issues to be adressed on this team. Also, from the little I have seen, coverage (or in this case return-blocking) has been less then stellar this season.
Quote from: Don Ho on December 16, 2005, 08:59:18 PM
(http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/uploads/photos/perm/main/CGKLBIOIBJCD/Mahe-3.jpg)
I will follow this man into battle!
BANZAI Daniel-San!!!
I actually own that very same headband. I'm not sure I'm comfortable with Reno wearing it.
The two of you should co-found a gang.
Between the headbands and our matching "My Lips Hurt Real Bad" tee-shirts no one would dare farg with us.
Not outside of a truck stop bathroom, anyway.
Let's see, the last time I saw that head band was, well December 1941!
(http://victoryatseaonline.com/war/ww2/tora/tora-42.jpg)
TORA TORA TORA!
Quote from: jeffreyjpa on December 16, 2005, 08:18:30 PM
Dante Hall 33 Returns 5.8 Average 5 FCs
Randel El 33 Returns 7.1 Average 9 FCs
R. Mahe 14 Returns 14.5 Average 7 FCs
And now for some simple math...
Dante Hall 33 Returns 5 FCs 6.6 Rets/FC
Randel El 33 Returns 9 FCs 3.5 Rets/FC
R. Mahe 14 Returns 7 FCs 2 Rets/FC
Mahe is a FC machine...
Quote from: DutchBird on December 16, 2005, 06:33:47 PM
I remember a certain Hall of Fame prospect, who holds or has held many records concerning returns and IIRC has third most all purpose yards in NFL history, going by the name of B. Mitchell, playing both for the (censored)skins and later for us do an awful lot of fair-catch waving as well. And not one person with two or more working braincells would/could ever suggest that that certain Mitchell dude did not know what he was doing.
according to my eagles desk calendar...mitchell set the NFL records for fair catches in a season in 2000.
Reno has to have pictures of Andy Reid in a compromising situation with a horse.
That's the only way I can see him still having a job in the NFL. The enormity of his suckage is truly mind-blowing.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on December 16, 2005, 09:03:36 PM
Reno's Destiny:
(http://www.idigsports.com/images/football_hall_of_fame_logo.jpg)
>:D
I'm sure the HOF is always looking for qualified janitorial staff.
All I'm saying is watch Reno run. He doesn't have much shiftiness, he's slow out of his cuts, and he doesn't have great vision. A lot of his better returns came when he had wide open field in front of him. He can't make people miss and he can't explode through small creases.
I just would prefer a playmaking PR, and I don't think Reno fits that bill.
renos horrible. his stats are inflated cuz he has less then half the returns of the other guys. plus.. he's a vadge. he has no sense where players are on the field which is why he can't break one, or know whether to FC or not. if he's kept on this team next year cuz of PR duties that would be a really nice waste of a roster spot for a team that needs a substantial amount of new talent brought in.
Quote from: L-ong-B-each-I-ggle on December 19, 2005, 06:02:54 PM
renos horrible. his stats are inflated cuz he has less then half the returns of the other guys. plus.. he's a vadge. he has no sense where players are on the field which is why he can't break one, or know whether to FC or not. if he's kept on this team next year cuz of PR duties that would be a really nice waste of a roster spot for a team that needs a substantial amount of new talent brought in.
He does a lot of things well enough to keep his job :)
why is a 3rd (originally 4th) string RB who's getting 5.1 ypc and hasnt fumbled away a punt ever getting so much shtein?
do you people beat up retarded kids too?
Quote from: Wingspan on December 19, 2005, 07:52:27 PM
why is a 3rd (originally 4th) string RB who's getting 5.1 ypc and hasnt fumbled away a punt ever getting so much shtein?
do you people beat up retarded kids too?
Because they don't know how to play football and "create a team"
Quote from: Wingspan on December 19, 2005, 07:52:27 PM
why is a 3rd (originally 4th) string RB who's getting 5.1 ypc and hasnt fumbled away a punt ever getting so much shtein?
do you people beat up retarded kids too?
No shtein! If you really think about it, Reno has been our most dependable performer this year.
Well, according to Burger King birds are going to activate Bruce Perry on Tuesday. Let's hope he's cured that fumblitis that palgued him all pre-season. He keeps that up we'll be begging for more Reno.
Man I hope that Reno scores the last game of the year against the skins. Linc will go balistic.
No, it'll go ballistic if Chad Lewis scores. They won't know what to do if Reno scores.
Quote from: General_Failure on December 20, 2005, 04:01:30 AM
No, it'll go ballistic if Chad Lewis scores. They won't know what to do if Reno scores.
I tend to agree with you GF. Crowd will probably drop dead of shock if Reno scores. If Chad scores, everyone should honor him with a stop, drop and roll in their seat - or at least in the aisle.
I know you're far away from Philly and most likely haven't been to the Linc yet Don, but the rows at the Linc are narrower than the Vet (and I think the seats may be, as well...at least they seem that way).
At the Linc, it would be more like:
1. Stop
2. Try to drop, bang head on cup holder and neighbor's knee.
3. Bounce back up off of seat to full standing position, with a head-wound.
So, we could instead honor Chad with a "stop, bounce, and bleed".
Quote from: Don Ho on December 20, 2005, 04:11:40 AM
Quote from: General_Failure on December 20, 2005, 04:01:30 AM
No, it'll go ballistic if Chad Lewis scores. They won't know what to do if Reno scores.
I tend to agree with you GF. Crowd will probably drop dead of shock if Reno scores. If Chad scores, everyone should honor him with a stop, drop and roll in their seat - or at least in the aisle.
LJ honors Chad frequently, except it's the ball that drops and rolls.
Quote from: jeffreyjpa on December 20, 2005, 11:53:34 AM
I know you're far away from Philly and most likely haven't been to the Linc yet Don, but the rows at the Linc are narrower than the Vet (and I think the seats may be, as well...at least they seem that way).
At the Linc, it would be more like:
1. Stop
2. Try to drop, bang head on cup holder and neighbor's knee.
3. Bounce back up off of seat to full standing position, with a head-wound.
So, we could instead honor Chad with a "stop, bounce, and bleed".
At this point in the season I'd honor the team with an Acapulco swan dive off that huge structure in the end zone.
Quote from: sallad selgae on December 20, 2005, 12:36:26 PM
Quote from: Don Ho on December 20, 2005, 04:11:40 AM
Quote from: General_Failure on December 20, 2005, 04:01:30 AM
No, it'll go ballistic if Chad Lewis scores. They won't know what to do if Reno scores.
I tend to agree with you GF. Crowd will probably drop dead of shock if Reno scores. If Chad scores, everyone should honor him with a stop, drop and roll in their seat - or at least in the aisle.
LJ honors Chad frequently, except it's the ball that drops and rolls.
So painfully true. :-D
Guess who leads the NFL in punt return average now. (http://www.nfl.com/stats/leaders/NFL/PNTRET/2005/regular)
Ryan Moats?
Brian Mitchell.
And, Reno cut his Fair Catch percentage from 33% of the punts he's fielded down to 31%. :yay
Most telling is that he has outgained punt-return-god Dante Hall by 45 yards (245 vs 200) in with almost half as many returns... (18 vs 35), and has an average 2.42857 times better then that of Hall.
Quote from: DutchBird on December 20, 2005, 06:27:43 PM
Most telling is that he has outgained punt-return-god Dante Hall by 45 yards (245 vs 200) in with almost half as many returns... (18 vs 35), and has an average 2.42857 times better then that of Hall.
I think that's the least telling stat ever. It only serves to show how worthless being the 'league leader' in punt returns is. Honestly. Is there a single Eagles fan that would rather have Mahe returning kicks than Dante Hall? If you say yes I will fly to Amsterdam, smoke all of your weed and firebomb your face.
Quote from: rjs246 on December 20, 2005, 06:35:49 PM
Quote from: DutchBird on December 20, 2005, 06:27:43 PM
Most telling is that he has outgained punt-return-god Dante Hall by 45 yards (245 vs 200) in with almost half as many returns... (18 vs 35), and has an average 2.42857 times better then that of Hall.
I think that's the least telling stat ever. It only serves to show how worthless being the 'league leader' in punt returns is. Honestly. Is there a single Eagles fan that would rather have Mahe returning kicks than Dante Hall? If you say yes I will fly to Amsterdam, smoke all of your weed and firebomb your face.
What the stat. shows is that there is a need for him on this team..at least this year ;)
You guys are way too rough on a player having his best NFL season ever. Personally I think Reno has a place with the Eagles next year. The Gatorade at Lehigh doesn't carry itself.
Quote from: QB Eagles on December 20, 2005, 07:57:21 PM
You guys are way too rough on a player having his best NFL season ever. Personally I think Reno has a place with the Eagles next year. The Gatorade at Lehigh doesn't carry itself.
The bar was set rather low for that accomplishment.
Quote from: rjs246 on December 20, 2005, 06:35:49 PM
Quote from: DutchBird on December 20, 2005, 06:27:43 PM
Most telling is that he has outgained punt-return-god Dante Hall by 45 yards (245 vs 200) in with almost half as many returns... (18 vs 35), and has an average 2.42857 times better then that of Hall.
I think that's the least telling stat ever. It only serves to show how worthless being the 'league leader' in punt returns is. Honestly. Is there a single Eagles fan that would rather have Mahe returning kicks than Dante Hall? If you say yes I will fly to Amsterdam, smoke all of your weed and firebomb your face.
Dammit.... I swear I hate it when people try to inject logic into a conversation.
I still think the world of Reno. He never loses a fumble. You guys are retards if you think Reid will dump a smart guy for a flash guy. It would be real tough to cut a Pro Bowler. By the way, how do you type Probowler? I think Pro Bowler is a guy who bowls for a living. Someone who plays in the probowl would be a probowler, no?
Another "funny" from Bowen's Philly.com article. :puke
Quote"It may not be as meaningful for you," said running back and NFL-leading punt returner Reno Mahe. "For us, it's meaningful. It's our job. We've got a scheduled game, and we've got to go out and play it... we have to take pride in our job."
HEY JACKASS... I SAID MORE CHEESE SAUCE NOW GODDAMMIT! :boom
Quote from: rjs246 on December 20, 2005, 06:35:49 PMIf you say yes I will fly to Amsterdam, smoke all of your weed and firebomb your face.
Jesus Christ, man. You need therapy. That's just lousy.
Is it just me or is somebody taking something I say a little too seriously... chill out dude. I'll leave some squeef for you.
Greetings Dunph, What's happening? I got your letter today, Cornhole Academy sounds like it really sucks the big one. I can't believe they make everyone work alot and not smoke. You should tell that piece of shtein Funderturd to shove it. You didn't want to go there in the first place. He'd shtein man. Today you should have seen me and Mousy today at school today. We got cocked on a pint of blackberry brandy, ate some THC on the bus. We we're farged. This teacher Mr. Rivera goes 'What's wrong with you Delaney?' I go, 'I'm totally farged man!' Everybody laughed like a bastich. Oh, man you should see this song I'm listening to, man. It's called 'Don't Bogart That Joint, My Friend.' I think its by a group called...... This is a couple of hours later. Must have nodded out, man. I gotta go, cause I probably definitely gonna nod out again. You want me to send you some squeef, or you got enough? Good luck not getting caught. Cocked in Rhode Island. Drugs
P.S. Mousy says he stink-fingered Bunny Cote
Sure. ???
Quote from: phattymatty on December 23, 2005, 01:00:44 AM
Greetings Dunph, What's happening? I got your letter today, Cornhole Academy sounds like it really sucks the big one. I can't believe they make everyone work alot and not smoke. You should tell that piece of shtein Funderturd to shove it. You didn't want to go there in the first place. He'd shtein man. Today you should have seen me and Mousy today at school today. We got cocked on a pint of blackberry brandy, ate some THC on the bus. We we're farged. This teacher Mr. Rivera goes 'What's wrong with you Delaney?' I go, 'I'm totally farged man!' Everybody laughed like a bastich. Oh, man you should see this song I'm listening to, man. It's called 'Don't Bogart That Joint, My Friend.' I think its by a group called...... This is a couple of hours later. Must have nodded out, man. I gotta go, cause I probably definitely gonna nod out again. You want me to send you some squeef, or you got enough? Good luck not getting caught. Cocked in Rhode Island. Drugs
P.S. Mousy says he stink-fingered Bunny Cote
Awesome. Just watched that last week again.
hey did you know that we have a calendar with birthdays on this board? weird >:D
Quote from: Sun_Mo on December 23, 2005, 09:08:12 AM
hey did you know that we have a calendar with birthdays on this board? weird
Booo.
Quote from: phattymatty on December 23, 2005, 01:00:44 AM
Greetings Dunph, What's happening? I got your letter today, Cornhole Academy sounds like it really sucks the big one. I can't believe they make everyone work alot and not smoke. You should tell that piece of shtein Funderturd to shove it. You didn't want to go there in the first place. He'd shtein man. Today you should have seen me and Mousy today at school today. We got cocked on a pint of blackberry brandy, ate some THC on the bus. We we're farged. This teacher Mr. Rivera goes 'What's wrong with you Delaney?' I go, 'I'm totally farged man!' Everybody laughed like a bastich. Oh, man you should see this song I'm listening to, man. It's called 'Don't Bogart That Joint, My Friend.' I think its by a group called...... This is a couple of hours later. Must have nodded out, man. I gotta go, cause I probably definitely gonna nod out again. You want me to send you some squeef, or you got enough? Good luck not getting caught. Cocked in Rhode Island. Drugs
P.S. Mousy says he stink-fingered Bunny Cote
Is that from Michael Irvin's Blog???
Quote from: sallad selgae on December 23, 2005, 12:09:36 PM
Is that from Michael Irvin's Blog???
No, you ignorant wretch.
Another "scintillating" piece on Mahe by his personal caddie, Bob Brookover...
QuotePosted on Sat, Dec. 24, 2005
Birds' punt returner has a crown to play for
By Bob Brookover Inquirer Staff Writer
TEMPE, Ariz. - This was the point in the season a year ago when the Eagles rested Donovan McNabb, Brian Westbrook, and all the other integral parts of a team preparing for a run at its first Super Bowl title.
That, of course, is not a problem this season.
McNabb, Westbrook, a long list of other starters, and the Eagles' playoff hopes have been gone for weeks. There's no need to rest anyone for this afternoon's game against the Arizona Cardinals at Sun Devil Stadium.
That's why Reno Mahe is playing.
All right, that's just a joke, one of many that have been directed at the Eagles' undersized running back since he surprisingly earned a roster spot as an undrafted rookie out of Brigham Young in 2003.
Mahe was among the young players who filled in for the Eagles' regulars when they were placed in coach Andy Reid's player-protection program at the end of last season.
Now he is the only player on the roster with any kind of NFL title to play for, and that is no joke.
With four punt returns for 42 yards Sunday in a victory over the St. Louis Rams, Mahe became eligible to be listed among the league leaders in that department. His 13.6-yard return average immediately moved him to the top of the pack, ahead of Tennessee Titans rookie Pacman Jones, who has a 12.9-yard average.
Mahe, 25, knows there's no trophy for leading the league in punt returns, and there certainly won't be a Broad Street parade unless he joins the Mummers after the Eagles' New Year's Day finale against the Washington taterskins.
But he has a chance to be the third player in Eagles history to lead the NFL in punt-return average, joining Steve Van Buren and John Sciarra, who did so in 1944 and 1979, respectively. Westbrook led the NFC in 2003.
There's only one real reward Mahe is hoping for if he holds on to the NFL lead.
"If that helps me get a job next year, that's great," he said.
Mahe is eligible to become a free agent after this season, and a solid finish as the Eagles' punt returner could only help his chances of extending his unlikely NFL career.
Eagles special-teams coach John Harbaugh is pulling for Mahe, particularly in a season when the special teams were especially bad early on.
"It's always exciting to see one of your guys [do well], and it's a reflection on the whole group," Harbaugh said. "That is something we are shooting for, no question."
This is not Mahe's first stint as the Eagles' punt returner. It's just his first successful stint. As a rookie two years ago, he filled in for two regular-season games and two playoff games for an injured Westbrook. The best thing you could say about him then was that he caught the ball without incident.
He opened last season as the team's primary punt returner, but after a strong opening game against the New York Giants, he averaged just 2.9 yards per return in the next eight games.
When he was ready to return from an ankle injury, he had lost the job to Dexter Wynn.
Wynn, however, struggled in the role this season, averaging 4.7 yards per return through the first seven games. With the Eagles desperate to keep their playoff hopes alive, Reid opened the door for Mahe to share punt-return duties with Westbrook and cornerback Lito Sheppard.
Mahe immediately made the most of his opportunity, with two good returns in an otherwise disastrous Monday Night Football loss to the Dallas Cowboys.
Three weeks later, in another Monday Night Football disaster, Mahe was the lone bright spot, returning seven punts for 108 yards.
Why has Mahe suddenly become a solid punt returner?
"I don't have a good answer," he said. "I think listening to Harbaugh more and trusting the guys around me more has helped. But, honestly, I have no idea. I do have more confidence and more experience."
Mahe knows there are people who believe he is around only because of his Brigham Young roots, but he insists he has never listened to the negative comments. It's advice he received from teammate Chad Lewis, another product of Reid's alma mater.
"Chad had the best quote: 'You surround yourself with skunks, you're going to stink,' " Mahe said. "That's what all that negative stuff is. I'm going to listen to positive stuff. The negative stuff, and hopefully it's constructive, will come from the coaches. That's all I'm going to listen to, because that's going to help me get better."
Mahe, like him or not, has gotten significantly better as the Eagles' punt returner, and now he has the chance to take the title of best in the league.
:=)
Quote from: DutchBird on December 16, 2005, 01:25:39 PM
So say we cut Mahe, and add a playmaker. That playmakaer will cost money... which then can not be spent on the other playmakers we need (say WR, LB, D-line, arguably tackle and RB, and according to some QB as well).
Well, if I have to choose between cutting Mahe and run into even more problems in area's where we already have problems, or keep Mahe and spend the money on a playmaker I would chose the latter.
Remember Rossum? Yes he broke one occasionally, but he lost a bunch of fumbles as well. Apart from last game, I have hardly heared a Mahe SNAFU being mentioned by Mike and Merril. And what was one of the greatest assets of one of the better returners in NFL history (a certain former taterskin and Eagle)? It was the fact that he hardly ever fumbled, and only took calculated risks.
It IS a shame that Mahe seems to lack a breakaway speed. On the other hand, with hang-times of 5+ seconds working against you and blocking that is not that good either, then you'll not have too much chance to go anywhere.
Most of the complaints about Mahe are because of his somewhat frequent fair catches and "average" return yardage. I would much rather have that, than a probematic fumbler, who occasionally will have a great return. Superior punt returners are a very rare breed (aka JR Reed).
PR is not one of the priority positions to "waste" extra money on, that could much better be served on one of the other
many other needs this teams seems to have.
plus, I don't wanna have to scrape off the Mahe on the #34 jersey. :P
Can't speak for everyone, but my point of view on Mahe isn't to tear him up for his recent success as a PR (he deserves some degree of recognition), but I'm hoping it doesn't guarantee him a spot on the team for next season, when he offers little besides special-teams play.
Hope it gets him a job elsewhere, because he seems like a nice guy and a good teammate. But, I'd rather see a competent PR who can also competently play another position. PR's don't generally cost that much money, by the way, so I don't believe getting another one would prevent the Eagles from suring up trouble spots elsewhere...that argument seems kind of silly to me.
Mostly, this topic fills me with indifference, but there is little else to discuss as they play out the string. That's also the only reason the local media is paying any attention to it.
i wouldn't mind them bringing in randall-el...i think i read that he's a free agent. ???
if so, he could help with returns & as a wr....good fit, imo.
and he's probably a better backup qb than mcmahon or the holder ;)
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Randall-El would be an excellent addition, hunt. He'd certainly start at WR over pretty much anyone else on the squad plus his special teams play would automatically elevate a pretty pedestrian unit.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on December 24, 2005, 11:47:44 AM
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Randall-El would be an excellent addition, hunt. He'd certainly start at WR over pretty much anyone else on the squad plus his special teams play would automatically elevate a pretty pedestrian unit.
If he is the number 1 or 2 WR no way is he the full time PR man.
If Reno plays yesterday, we win. It's that simple.
can anyone explain reno mahe being on the team this year and not bruce perry??
mormon.
does Perry return punts?
when they get Randle-El it won't matter
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 02, 2006, 11:45:55 AM
can anyone explain reno mahe being on the team this year and not bruce perry??
Absolutely not. I was thinking that every time Perry took a handoff. He runs MUCH harder, both as a RB and KR. I kept thinking that Mahe had to had been the most worried guy at the Linc yesterday.
I mean, this is far from breaking news but Mahe simply has NO BUSINESS being on this team next year. Seriously.
Westbrook
Moats
Perry
Gordon
Buckhalter
Reno?
Let's not pretend that Buck is going to be on any team next year.
Quote from: General_Failure on January 02, 2006, 01:32:59 PM
Let's not pretend that Buck is going to be on any team next year.
If for no other reason than to keep everyone stocked, locked and loaded with the ganja... Buck serves more purpose on this team than Reno does.
Westbrook
Moats
Duce
Perry
Mahe ended the season leading the NFL in punt return avg. :paranoid
Duce is done. I want Perry for KR only. He could fill in for injury OK, but he was scintillating on kickoffs. Way more than Hood, Sheppard, or any of the other dogs they threw out there before him.
Quote from: MadMarchHare on January 03, 2006, 11:39:50 AM
Duce is done. I want Perry for KR only. He could fill in for injury OK, but he was scintillating on kickoffs. Way more than Hood, Sheppard, or any of the other dogs they threw out there before him.
Too bad it took them until game 16 to try him.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 02, 2006, 03:20:14 PM
Westbrook
Moats
Duce
Perry
Now that is a lineup I could live with.
Quote from: rjs246 on January 04, 2006, 12:27:02 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 02, 2006, 03:20:14 PM
Westbrook
Moats
Duce
Perry
Now that is a lineup I could live with.
I agree, with Duce not being the primary guy, I think he could make it all season. I would prefer they get a big back later in the draft instead of Duce though. One that could be considered "bruising", that they could also line up in the backfield with Westy/Moats/Perry like a fullback. Perry really impressed in both the preseason and the last few games. I really hope they give him a lot more looks.
With everything the Eagles have going on at RB (and I expect us to bring in someone else), I can't fathom Reno being back. If he did return, I'd have no explanation other than that maybe Andy likes having young Polynesian guys around. And that's just plain disturbing.
I can easily see Mahe being on the team next year (not that i want to). From Reids perspective he can return punts, can catch the ball out of the backfield, knows the offense in and out (especially interesting quote from Moats about Mahe knowing everything) and is a good character guy. It's hard to find much more in a 4th string RB.
Great. He can move to RB coach after all the other coaches leave.
Quote from: General_Failure on January 04, 2006, 12:46:50 PM
Great. He can move to RB coach after all the other coaches leave.
:-D:yay
Koy as OC, Reno as special teams coach. The corpse of Brigham Young as DC.
Westbrook
Moats
Michael Robinson :-X
Perry
Quote from: MURP on January 04, 2006, 04:26:52 PM
Westbrook
Moats
Michael Robinson :-X
Perry
I think Robinson would make a better slot receiver.
imo safety would be his best position
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 05, 2006, 09:16:25 AM
imo safety would be his best position
He hasn't played DB since high school. Tough to say if he could play anything at an NFL level...
Quote from: Larry on December 16, 2005, 03:24:04 PM
Returns over 20+ yards...
Randel-El: 1
Dante Hall: 1
Reno Mahe: 4
Mahe = sole pro-bowl representative. :-D
I always loved the fact that I never had to sweat when Reno was back there.
Quote from: stillupfront on January 02, 2006, 07:37:57 AM
If Reno plays yesterday, we win. It's that simple.
Does anyone have any idea what this means?
He calls a fair catch in the 1st, negating the only GB TD.
He doesn't try to make a diving catch of a punt, preventing a game-winning FG.
Really, is it that hard Manneans?
i think hes asking about the jan 06 date.
My bad. I'm still too pissed off to read straight.
Quote from: stalker on September 11, 2007, 08:36:25 PM
Quote from: stillupfront on January 02, 2006, 07:37:57 AM
If Reno plays yesterday, we win. It's that simple.
Does anyone have any idea what this means?
No. Because no one knows the meaning of anything you say, SUF. Apparently not even you.
farg this thread.
I'm back bitches !!
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haha. good god.
I think if anybody other than Lewis plays as punt returner, we win. All he had to do was call a fair catch and hold onto the ball.
JR Reed did... and we lost.
The fact that it was Greg Lewis isn't the reason for the muffed punt. The fact that Greg Lewis isn't an experienced punt returner (which Reid knew going into the game) and shouldn't have been in that position in the first place is the reason for that. Then he tries to cover that up by putting ANOTHER inexperienced returner there with the game on the line... even though there are two pro bowl players on the roster who have returned punts and have had success doing so.
^^^^^
sold. end of thread right there
Quote from: EagleFeva on September 14, 2007, 07:31:41 AM
JR Reed did... and we lost.
The fact that it was Greg Lewis isn't the reason for the muffed punt. The fact that Greg Lewis isn't an experienced punt returner (which Reid knew going into the game) and shouldn't have been in that position in the first place is the reason for that. Then he tries to cover that up by putting ANOTHER inexperienced returner there with the game on the line... even though there are two pro bowl players on the roster who have returned punts and have had success doing so.
cough clear throat ed reed cough
no doubt Feva.
Westbrook is available to make that punt return late in the game and Reid puts in a guy who was fence jumping, cut from the Rams, Sports Card collecting, then cut from the Giants.
But hey, what do you expect after a 4th and 15 punt in the playoffs.
murp is so late and so on time all at the same
Too bad Scott Young wasn't active last week. He can return punts.
He just false started again.
Quote from: MURP on September 15, 2007, 12:10:41 AM
But hey, what do you expect after a 4th and 15 punt in the playoffs.
Geez. Expect the absolute worst.
Read in the paper that Buckhalter is doing KR's tonight, whats the over under on a blown patellar tendon?
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on September 17, 2007, 01:44:00 PM
Read in the paper that Buckhalter is doing KR's tonight, whats the over under on a blown patellar tendon?
It's about the same likelihood as Reno making a moderate to severe mistake on punt returns. Very high.