1. This season is not over. 4-4 in a bad NFC is nothing to start packing it in over.
2. The commitment to the run was good. It wasn't working, but you've got to keep going at it. It will work if they stay committed to it. I think they had a 35/26 pass/run ratio tonight.
3. Reggie Brown, Greg Lewis and Billy McMullen looked pretty good, wouldn't you agree?
4. Not having L.J Smith in there for the last quarter and a half was bad.
5. The forced fumble by Dawk on Cooley not being recovered was huge.
6. The muffed punt by Thrash not being recovered was huge.
7. The BAD CALL on Lewis' non-catch was bad. Greg got that ball. If they get it right they have the ball on the 3 yard line and it is a TD and not a FG.
8. McNabb looked healthy as ever so far this season...
That dropped slant by Gordon was huge IMO. There was at least 10 yard YAC oppurtunity. Err...what happened at the end of that drive anyway?
I'm still baffled why Runyan let his man go and doubled another guy that was seemily already under control on the last play.
thank
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there's some good things to take out of the game.. well there's usually good things to take out of every game. it looks like we do actually have a TEAM. im glad TO is not playing even if it did mean a loss. reggie brown impressed. westy's running still leaves alot to be desired. obviously he's not just going to cruise right into it halfway through the season but he's gota realize minimal gain is better then losing 2-5 yards streaking along the line of scrimmage. this seasons over IMO. who cares if they make the playoffs.. i just don't think they are going to win the superbowl this year.. which was obviously the goal all along.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on November 06, 2005, 11:47:20 PM
1. This season is not over. 4-4 in a bad NFC is nothing to start packing it in over.
2. The commitment to the run was good. It wasn't working, but you've got to keep going at it. It will work if they stay committed to it. I think they had a 35/26 pass/run ratio tonight.
3. Reggie Brown, Greg Lewis and Billy McMullen looked pretty good, wouldn't you agree?
4. Not having L.J Smith in there for the last quarter and a half was bad.
5. The forced fumble by Dawk on Cooley not being recovered was huge.
6. The muffed punt by Thrash not being recovered was huge.
7. The BAD CALL on Lewis' non-catch was bad. Greg got that ball. If they get it right they have the ball on the 3 yard line and it is a TD and not a FG.
8. McNabb looked healthy as ever so far this season...
9. Neither of the starting corners can cover.
10. No one on the defense can tackle.
11. The Sunday Night crew sucks.
12. Poor offensive execution at the end of the 1st half, again.
13. Poor offensive execution/playcalling on the final 4 downs.
14. The Sunday Night crew sucks.
Injuries:
1. LJ Smith has a concussion
2. ND Kalu re-injured his shoulder
A few other thoughts...
- The end of the first half play was stupid.
- Trent Cole looks good at times. He got worn down a little bit because there was only 3 DEs after Kalu got hurt. Darwin Walker got quite a bit of time at DE.
- Jevon Kearse got a sack and had a few nice stuffs in the run game. They played a lot of heavy packages tonight, but not just on his side. Gibbs loves h-Backs and TEs.
- 3rd down conversions, one of the biggest things I look at, were not good on offense. And the defense couldn't stop the taterskins from converting.
All's I'm going to say is that I ain't buying into the "Oh my the season is over" tripe. It's not. They could run off a nice streak. They've done it before.
But I know the sky will be falling among fans but look at the big picture. This shtein ain't done.
The season isn't done in terms of playoff hopes and possibly a division title. However, any hopes of a Super Bowl this team had are gone. So in that sense, the season is over. :P
1. andy and jj have become stale and predictable in their playcalling. try something else you old bitches.
2. tom white tickles gibbs balls and gives him the calls. flamer.
3. i cant believe we lost to washington. farg.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on November 06, 2005, 11:51:03 PM
14. The Sunday Night crew sucks.
Hah, they mistook Jevon for Simoneau. They said that Lito letting the punt go resulted in a 20 yard bounce (when it was 10), when he wasn't in position to catch a weak punt 5 yards in front of him.
Anyone else notice how bad Mahe sucks in KR blocking? He had one good block tonight, but the last two games I've been watching him, he 'qb blocks' the guy. He'll run up to a guy and hope the play is over by the time he gets there and ends up jogging half-ass blocking the guy. He did get rewarded for his lazy blocking (since he was jogging and not engaged at this point - as usual) by making the tackle on that long KR but Washington. Granted he'll probably never get released or not make this team bc of his hands, but good god, we can have a better lead blocker on KR.
Parry sucks. Gets toasted when he tries to hold up a blitzer or oncoming LB. Postive, he did catch balls tonight.
I don't know...
I'm usually pissed off after losses. But tonight i am not pissed. Disappointed, yes. But I'm not pissed off. It farging sucks to lose to the taterskins, but I will maintain my stance that this season is not over by any means.
Reminded me a lot of the pre-three-headed-monster Eagles. Still good enough to get to the playoffs but just can't finish every game.
^ Not receiving a happy ending sucks!
Next up, Big Tuna and the hated Cowturds, who have 15 days of rest to get ready. Hmmmm .... I say we could ummmmm, say soften the hard line on the TO apology by then. Call him into the office, and maybe just ask him if he is sorry and wants to apologize to the whole team, just sit there and say nothing ... but say it real quite so he can't hear it.
It's almost unbearable to go thru this, but luckily years of preparation have gone into teaching us how to respond to this ..... Fire Reid, bench McNabb, get Moss ...... BUMS! Ah, I feel better now. I just hope they draft a WR named Owens next year and give him the #81, so I don't have to hang that jersey next to the Lindros jersey in the garage.
Come on guys, get this together. I never expected a loss tonight.
Big picture ... Its been awhile since I believed without a doubt that an Eagles team was destined to win the Superbowl. Not just have a chance, but was going to win one. We've had a great run with this group, and I'm not ready to give up, but geeesh, they did almost everything they could to get there last year, and it seems they've taken a step in the opposite direction, with an arrogant authority this year. I was willing to give them the benefit of the doubt too considering their track record, but its getting hard to keep looking at this situation without being critical.
So...hopefully McNabb gets that surgery this week or next.
What draft pick will we get? Top 10?
Do we take a WR?
Too bad we couldn't get a top 5 pick.
My thoughts:
I may be in the minority, but I think even with TO we lose this game.
This defense flat out sucks. No pressure at all. Unless it gets fixed this team is going nowhere. No pass rush, Lito gets exposed. The whole middle of the field was open all day.
Jim Johnson... cmon man.
Why didn't anyone ask Andy for an explanation as to why Westbrook was not in there on 4th down?
Because he won't give an answer anyway.
Quote from: BigEd76 on November 07, 2005, 12:06:09 AM
Why didn't anyone ask Andy for an explanation as to why Westbrook was not in there on 4th down?
they did. he said because they needed their blocking back in there. I guess Westbrook cant pass protect. ::)
Quote from: BigEd76 on November 07, 2005, 12:06:09 AM
Why didn't anyone ask Andy for an explanation as to why Westbrook was not in there on 4th down?
Because every last one of the dudes in that room had TO on their mind...
TO, TO, TO, TO, TO.....etc...
I wonder if Patterson is hitting 'the wall' or getting doubled a lot? I guess him maybe being doubled and playing the run most of the time doesn't fit him to his strength tho.
On a side note, I like Tamba Hali for this team.
This blame was SOLEY on the defense. I'm sorry but it sucks. This team has the worst pass rush in football. It really has become a joke. The run defense was solid, but cmon.
They let the farging taterskins march UP AND DOWN UP AND DOWN UP AND DOWN ALL NIGHT.
It's so frustrating. I don't see this defense getting fixed and if it doesn't.... no playoffs.
BWest: (paraphrasing) "TO is a good person and a good player. There's some things we need to iron out though."
Patterson has to adjust now. He came in and no one had film on him and he did well. Now they see how to attack him and it is up to him to counter those adjustments.
Wetsbrook says " We have to be a team. Not one person and 52 other guys. We have to embrace TO. I think he is a great player an a good person. But we have some issues to work out with him as a team. Hopefully if we can work those issues out he can come back."
Quote from: WEST is GOD on November 07, 2005, 12:09:13 AM
This blame was SOLEY on the defense. I'm sorry but it sucks. This team has the worst pass rush in football. It really has become a joke. The run defense was solid, but cmon.
They let the farging taterskins march UP AND DOWN UP AND DOWN UP AND DOWN ALL NIGHT.
It's so frustrating. I don't see this defense getting fixed and if it doesn't.... no playoffs.
That and we aren't winning some of the 1v1's we have, plus teams seem to be going big or max on us...which is also hurting Lito.
"If those issues are worked out...we would welcome TO back with open arms"
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on November 07, 2005, 12:12:05 AM
"If those issues are worked out...we would welcome TO back with open arms"
:paranoid :paranoid :fire
Less than 1.5 yards per rush tonight, BTW....
I'd welcome him with open arms if I duct taped his mouth and pointed my finger at him and told him to breathe through his nose.
The Eagles currently hold the #16 pick, FYI. Stuck in "meh" territory. No playoffs, no good pick....
wouldn't have mattered if TO played. Mcnabb would've just drilled it into triple covered TO and the game would've ended the same way.
Quote from: BigEd76 on November 07, 2005, 12:13:29 AM
Less than 1.5 yards per rush tonight, BTW....
Is it fair to place 75% of the blame on that on Parry?
Quote from: BigEd76 on November 07, 2005, 12:14:12 AM
The Eagles currently hold the #16 pick, FYI. Stuck in "meh" territory. No playoffs, no good pick....
Darryl Tapp, Mathias Kiwanuka or Mario Williams should be there. :P
Donovan" I saw Greg out there wide open and Greg saw me. But Hank was trying to get everyone set and by that time #22 buzzed out there and covered him."
Obviously talking about the end of the half thing
What about Tamba Hali!??!!
This team needs to do EVERYTHING they can to get a STUD defensive end this offseason. This pass rush is beyond bad.
Quote from: pinoyboy2pt0 on November 07, 2005, 12:18:01 AM
What about Tamba Hali!??!!
I'd like him, but I don't think he's a 1st round DE. Maybe a #2 or #3 guy. But we'll see. Way too early to get too deep into that stuf now though.
Well, this game was at least
it was close
D didn't give up a bajillion points
We ran the ball (and thus McNabb wasn't getting killled)
I still think sometimes Reid should go max instead of sending 4 guys out on routes.
Barkann is ripping McNabb big time after his PC, called him garbage, says he's come up small since the NFCCG....
Barkann ripping someone? Wow, this is a bizarro world.
Reggie Brown: 5 catches 94 yards 1 TD
Billy McMullen: 3 catches 60 yards
Greg Lewis: 5 catches 57 yards
McNabb: 22/35 (63%) 304 yards without TO...
Now Michael Barkann is blasting McNabb for his comments about TO. Just because Donovan said we played as a team and stuff like that. Unbelievable. ::)
Said there's no way McNabb should blow off TO like he doesn't mean anything to the offense...."win as a team, lose as a team?! YOU LOST!"
The defense giving up 17 to the Skins is bad. 17 might not look bad, but their offense is average and they marched up and down at will. It was pathetic.
Quote from: BigEd76 on November 07, 2005, 12:22:41 AM
Barkann is ripping McNabb big time after his PC, called him garbage, says he's come up small since the NFCCG....
He's crazy.
But this is something I'll never quite understand...the blasting of McNabb in this city. Holy smokes....you'd think that soe of these people would rather have Drew Bledsoe or some middle of the road schmoe.
I'm going to bed. Once again...all of the ignorant haters will be out this week. Barkann is fanning the flames already.
Quote from: WEST is GOD on November 07, 2005, 12:25:04 AM
The defense giving up 17 to the Skins is bad. 17 might not look bad, but their offense is average and they marched up and down at will. It was pathetic.
agreed. they could've easily given up alot more then that. just like we could easily be 2-6 right now.
how many 3 and outs did they have?
Quote from: L-ong-B-each-I-ggle on November 07, 2005, 12:27:50 AM
Quote from: WEST is GOD on November 07, 2005, 12:25:04 AM
The defense giving up 17 to the Skins is bad. 17 might not look bad, but their offense is average and they marched up and down at will. It was pathetic.
agreed. they could've easily given up alot more then that. just like we could easily be 2-6 right now.
how many 3 and outs did they have?
1?
Quote from: pinoyboy2pt0 on November 07, 2005, 12:29:44 AM
Quote from: L-ong-B-each-I-ggle on November 07, 2005, 12:27:50 AM
Quote from: WEST is GOD on November 07, 2005, 12:25:04 AM
The defense giving up 17 to the Skins is bad. 17 might not look bad, but their offense is average and they marched up and down at will. It was pathetic.
agreed. they could've easily given up alot more then that. just like we could easily be 2-6 right now.
how many 3 and outs did they have?
1?
that's definately going to win ya some games. and people were saying the defense get tired towards the end of the game because their on the field too long. well newsflash its not all the offenses fault the defense can't farging stop mark brunell
Quote from: Sgt PSN on November 06, 2005, 11:55:01 PM
The season isn't done in terms of playoff hopes and possibly a division title. However, any hopes of a Super Bowl this team had are gone. So in that sense, the season is over. :P
Exactly.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on November 06, 2005, 11:52:15 PM
All's I'm going to say is that I ain't buying into the "Oh my the season is over" tripe. It's not. They could run off a nice streak. They've done it before.
But I know the sky will be falling among fans but look at the big picture. This shtein ain't done.
Agreed, Phreak. There will be a lot of overreaction - hey, I'm disappointed that they're 4-4 at this point, too - but there's a lot of football yet to be played.
It's not as much how the Eagles played, but how the taterskins played.
The Eagles will have to dominate the Cowboys and Giants over the next two weeks for me to believe they have a shot at a Super Bowl. If they somehow win the next 2, I'm back on. Otherwise, I'll be cheering for a wild-card berth.
Lito had a bad game. He whiffed on two tackles when we had the Skins pinned on their first drive, and he was penalized for that big pass interference play.
Quote from: Larry on November 07, 2005, 08:32:17 AM
Lito had a bad game. He whiffed on two tackles when we had the Skins pinned on their first drive, and he was penalized for that big pass interference play.
Sooooooo... basically, he sucks.
I'm thrilled beyond words that our team is in the midst of all this crap.
They did, however, look good in the loss. I'm encouraged.
I was disappointed, but it wasn't the end of the world. The Eagles O needs to be more consistent, and the D line needs to get more independent pressure on the QB. If those things happen, life will be a bit better.
Reggie Brown is a good one. Losing LJ for the better part of the second half was big. I wish they could figure out how to run the ball for positive yards consistently. Josh Parry is not good.
That is all.
Quote from: EagleFeva on November 07, 2005, 08:34:34 AM
Quote from: Larry on November 07, 2005, 08:32:17 AM
Lito had a bad game. He whiffed on two tackles when we had the Skins pinned on their first drive, and he was penalized for that big pass interference play.
Sooooooo... basically, he sucks.
Wait, wait, I'm not done. :-*
Michael Lewis either needs to switch to LB or find somewhere else to play. He's a liability in coverage. Luckily he makes up for that by not forcing any turnovers: over the past 26 games, he's forced a measly 3 fumbles and he's grabbed 1 INT, and that play came on a hail mary at the end of the half.
Oh, and Billy Mac didn't look nearly as lost as usual. That was nice.
Without having read a single word of this, or any other, thread, these are my thoughts.
- Lito Sheppard is a bum. How many missed tackles did our secondary have? 75% of them were Lito.
- The offense looked good for the most part but McNabb might be the dumbest human being on the face of the earth. Took points off the board at the end of the first half AGAIN, and threw a farging terrible interception at the end of the game.
- No LJ was no good.
- The young WRs looked pretty good.
- Every single break went the Skins way. Lewis caught that ball on the five. Dawkins forced a fumble that the Eagles didn't recover. A muffed kick that they didn't recover. They got no bounces in a game where I can't believe they needed them.
- This team is fine without TO.
The Eagles are going to have to go 6-2 the rest of the way out to have a shot at the playoffs. Right now, that doesnt look good at all.
I know winning the Super Bowl was the ultimate goal, and that is in serious jeopardy right now, but why would you just proclaim that the season is over? just because they can't win the Super Bowl now you aren't going to watch anymore? if so, that's pathetic, and if you are going to still watch, shut the farg up about the season being over, they are halfway through their schedule with 6 divisional games to play yet, you never know what can happen.
if they don't accept TO back, this offense will actually be worse than in 2003, IMO. in 2003, they had Pinkston as a deep threat to draw some coverage. right now they don't have anybody that can go deep and actually go up for a ball. maybe Reggie Brown can do that, but I'm not sure. we are back to the good ol' days of every point they score being like passing a kidney stone.
Quote from: MURP on November 07, 2005, 09:09:08 AM
The Eagles are going to have to go 6-2 the rest of the way out to have a shot at the playoffs. Right now, that doesnt look good at all.
If they lose to the Cowboys this week, it's season over.
Quote from: rjs246 on November 07, 2005, 09:16:20 AMIf they lose to the Cowboys this week, it's season over.
i would agree with that.
SB is all that mattered. This season is over. No one on this team can even perform fundamental functions like tackling or catching. The coaching staff has lost it's farging mind. How many zero yard passes did we throw on 3rd and long? I won't be surprised if we lose on Monday, and we will be eviscerated at the Meadowlands.
SB is an impossibility, playoffs are unlikely. Regardless of how "zesty" anyone feels the NFC is.
I'll still watch every play for the rest of the year, though. I'm a lemming.
3rd down conversions, one of the biggest things I look at, were not good on offense. And the defense couldn't stop the taterskins from converting.
yes yes and yes...the game was lost on 3rd downs...end of story
The game was lost because no one on defense could farging tackle. Our front seven is farging miserable.
that goes without saying...there are no playmakers in that front seven
but as far as this specific game they lost it on 3rd downs...they just couldnt make a stop when they needed to
Not only are they bad in stopping 3rd down conversions, but they can't convert their own. It's something like 25%....
Quote from: rjs246 on November 07, 2005, 10:16:00 AM
The game was lost because no one on defense could farging tackle. Our front seven is farging miserable.
The taterskins scored 17 points. You can't blame the game on the defense for losing the game when the opponent scores 17 points, unless you want to blame them for not bailing the offense out. Still, I was not thrilled with the tackling, and I think there were too many cases where the secondary was trying to get the INT rather than stopping the play. I think Lito has completely given up on coverage, he thinks he's a receiver out there. I wasn't too thrilled with Brown whiffing on an INT attempt with the receiver behind him and no safety help. Back to basics guys - forget about the turnovers, let's try stopping the first downs, eh?
Andy needs to get more creative with using Westbrook - he is not a between-the-tackles up the gut runner. I was extremely frustrated by his diving into the line of scrimmage - it didn't look like he was getting hit, he was just diving into the pile. We're not going to see a middle running game until they slow down the blitz. Again, there needs to be some draws, delays and pitches to Westbrook to catch the defense overpursuing.
We need to have LJ get well soon. I think the Smith injury did more damage than anything else. Well, except the farging bonehead end-of-half bullshtein from Donovan...but that would have only given us the chance to win at the end of the game instead of tie.
Westbrook not being in the game at the end is indefensible. Even if you buy the protection excuse, you can have Gordon in the game to block and send Westbrook out in the play. I would rather have Westbrook out there to catch a pass than Lewis or McMullen.
I understand your point, C, but come on. The Birds have to farging tackle. Giving up 3rd and 17 to a guy with all the moves of a steamroller is absurd. It's Chris farging Cooley for christ sake, not Barry Sanders. Inexcusable.
Quote from: MadMarchHare on November 07, 2005, 10:35:19 AM
I understand your point, C, but come on. The Birds have to farging tackle. Giving up 3rd and 17 to a guy with all the moves of a steamroller is absurd. It's Chris farging Cooley for christ sake, not Barry Sanders. Inexcusable.
My point exactly.
It's why I know they're done. They have completely abandoned all the fundamentals of football, esp. on defense. The Skins only scored 17 because they SUCK! It certainly wasn't from anything the defense did.
i was just thinking about this. look at our schedule the rest of the way. 3 division home games, home to green bay, at arizona. right there that should be 5 wins. think the other 3 (seattle, at rams and at gints) are not pushovers, but if we got 2-1 or even 1-2, that gives us a reasonable shot at the division and definatley a playoff spot. I wouldnt be surpirsed to see the eagles go 7-1 or even run the table. the hard part of the schedule is over. no, this team isnt good enough to win the bowl. but weve got some easy games coming up. maybe seattle and atlanta fall off, we get a 2 seed or something. anything can happen. lets not throw a spazz yet. or, at least, lets beat dallas.
Beating Dallas could save hope for the playoffs, but this team is not a Super Bowl contender.
but the nfc isnt good. theres still 8 games left. no, they are not even close to being good enough to win the bowl. but who scares you in the nfc? we make the bowl, anything can happen.
Quote from: MDS on November 07, 2005, 11:53:23 AM
1. no, they are not even close to being good enough to win the bowl.
2. we make the bowl, anything can happen.
Those two statements contradict each other.
Who scares me in the NFC? Hmmm... let's see. Atlanta, New York, Dallas, Washington, Carolina, and maybe even Chicago. I don't know how you could think this team could make a run through the playoffs. They can't run block, and they can't defend the pass. Even if they show some improvement, it will have to be drastic.
Like I've said, they can change my mind with convincing performances (and the wins to go with them) the next two weeks. But losing to the taterskins made going 2-0 the next two weeks a necessity, and not a luxury.
IF this team manages to win all of its home divisonal games, and in my opinion they should, the playoffs should be a reality. If they don't, they're farged.
Quote from: FFatPatt on November 07, 2005, 11:57:04 AM
Quote from: MDS on November 07, 2005, 11:53:23 AM
1. no, they are not even close to being good enough to win the bowl.
2. we make the bowl, anything can happen.
Those two statements contradict each other.
Who scares me in the NFC? Hmmm... let's see. Atlanta, New York, Dallas, Washington, Carolina, and maybe even Chicago. I don't know how you could think this team could make a run through the playoffs. They can't run block, and they can't defend the pass. Even if they show some improvement, it will have to be drastic.
Like I've said, they can change my mind with convincing performances (and the wins to go with them) the next two weeks. But losing to the taterskins made going 2-0 the next two weeks a necessity, and not a luxury.
they are not good enough. but, anything can happen. its 1 game. the eagles are not the best team in the nfl, by any means. but, because the conference isnt strong, they could get into the bowl. its 1 game.
My first post game thought in my last post for a while is,
.........what the farg was Dmac thinking?? He looked great all game and choked on his last pass. How the hell did he not see all those taterskins??
You know, you guys might want to let go of the idea that the NFC isn't strong. The Eagles look like complete crap compared to the other NFC teams and they still managed to go 3-1 against four very good AFC teams.
New York, Carolina, Atlanta, Seattle and possibly Tampa Bay are solid teams and the taterskins and Cowboys have already beaten us. The NFC is strong. Like it or not.
Simple. No one was open. 4th down. He had to throw it towards the end zone and hope for a miracle. Personally, I would have lobbed it up, but oh well.
Quote from: FFatPatt on November 07, 2005, 12:08:10 PM
Simple. No one was open. 4th down. He had to throw it towards the end zone and hope for a miracle. Personally, I would have lobbed it up, but oh well.
I'm looking for some sign of sarcasm in there. Not finding any. And as such...
You've got to be kidding me. That is the worst excuse I've ever heard for an inexcusable play. He threw the ball to the spot on the field with the most taterskins standing around. On top of that, he threw it directly into the defender's chest (which is pretty much what he's done on every INT he's thrown this year, a tipped pass or two aside). It was a stupid, panicky pass which makes no sense since he had time in the pocket. DMac is a good leader, and I applaud him playing through pain and competing, blah blah blah, but the dude made a couple of stupid mistakes last night that cost us points and ultimately a shot at the game.
Quote from: MDS on November 07, 2005, 12:04:15 PM
Quote from: FFatPatt on November 07, 2005, 11:57:04 AM
Quote from: MDS on November 07, 2005, 11:53:23 AM
1. no, they are not even close to being good enough to win the bowl.
2. we make the bowl, anything can happen.
Those two statements contradict each other.
Who scares me in the NFC? Hmmm... let's see. Atlanta, New York, Dallas, Washington, Carolina, and maybe even Chicago. I don't know how you could think this team could make a run through the playoffs. They can't run block, and they can't defend the pass. Even if they show some improvement, it will have to be drastic.
Like I've said, they can change my mind with convincing performances (and the wins to go with them) the next two weeks. But losing to the taterskins made going 2-0 the next two weeks a necessity, and not a luxury.
they are not good enough. but, anything can happen. its 1 game. the eagles are not the best team in the nfl, by any means. but, because the conference isnt strong, they could get into the bowl. its 1 game.
This statement makes my eyes bleed. Are you farging kidding me. We annihilated the entire division last year, lost only one game to the NFC, a mail-in game to the Rams with our scrubs. Now, we're hoping we can get lucky in the playoffs and maybe squeak by into the SB??!! AAAAAHHHHHHH!! :boom
UN-FARGIN-ACCEPTABLE! Where's my axe?
Who cares that last year was so easy to waltz through the regular season?
That has zilch to do with this season. What if they eek their way through the regular season and catch fire in the playoffs?
They are 4-4. Not 2-7 or 3-6 or some shtein.
Dominance is nice. I enjoyed last year immensely. But this year ain't over.
Quote from: rjs246 on November 07, 2005, 12:12:35 PM
Quote from: FFatPatt on November 07, 2005, 12:08:10 PM
Simple. No one was open. 4th down. He had to throw it towards the end zone and hope for a miracle. Personally, I would have lobbed it up, but oh well.
I'm looking for some sign of sarcasm in there. Not finding any. And as such...
You've got to be kidding me. That is the worst excuse I've ever heard for an inexcusable play. He threw the ball to the spot on the field with the most taterskins standing around. On top of that, he threw it directly into the defender's chest (which is pretty much what he's done on every INT he's thrown this year, a tipped pass or two aside). It was a stupid, panicky pass which makes no sense since he had time in the pocket. DMac is a good leader, and I applaud him playing through pain and competing, blah blah blah, but the dude made a couple of stupid mistakes last night that cost us points and ultimately a shot at the game.
he was about to get sacked so he just threw the ball.
Quote from: rjs246 on November 07, 2005, 12:12:35 PM
Quote from: FFatPatt on November 07, 2005, 12:08:10 PM
Simple. No one was open. 4th down. He had to throw it towards the end zone and hope for a miracle. Personally, I would have lobbed it up, but oh well.
I'm looking for some sign of sarcasm in there. Not finding any. And as such...
You've got to be kidding me. That is the worst excuse I've ever heard for an inexcusable play. He threw the ball to the spot on the field with the most taterskins standing around. On top of that, he threw it directly into the defender's chest (which is pretty much what he's done on every INT he's thrown this year, a tipped pass or two aside). It was a stupid, panicky pass which makes no sense since he had time in the pocket. DMac is a good leader, and I applaud him playing through pain and competing, blah blah blah, but the dude made a couple of stupid mistakes last night that cost us points and ultimately a shot at the game.
Part of the problem is that I was expecting an interception or a sack on that play.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on November 07, 2005, 12:17:38 PM
Who cares that last year was so easy to waltz through the regular season?
That has zilch to do with this season. What if they eek their way through the regular season and catch fire in the playoffs?
They are 4-4. Not 2-7 or 3-6 or some shtein.
Dominance is nice. I enjoyed last year immensely. But this year ain't over.
Dude, I won't root for them any less hard then ever, and I'll be devastated by every loss, esp the division ones. If they make it, great. But I don't expect them to win on Monday, or the following Sunday. And 4-6 is cooked.
I think they beat DAL & NYG and finish 10-6.
One thing that I thought about today...
Remember the days when the word on Donovan McNabb was that he would not attempt to fit a ball into a tight spot? Remember the constant drilling by Childress & Reid to be safe and if something isn't there to check it down and take what the defense is giving you? Well, that philosophy is still there somewhat. But this year we are seeing McNabb taking more risks. I remember being one who said I wanted to see McNabb try to fit balls into tight spots more often.
Well, he's doing that this year. He's already matched his INT total from last year and he is looking to try to force things more often. I like the aggressiveness and I can't really rip him for it since it was something I (and a lot of others) were looking for him to do.
And I know I said this at half-time last night, but Ill say it again...
I like what Reggie Hodges did last night. The knock on him was his leg strength, which we saw. But his directional punting and hang-time were nice. Sean Landeta and Lee Johnson weren't boomers, but they had the placement kicks down pat. As long as he kicks like this the rest of the year, I'll be happy.
And allow me to rip Jose Cortez...he of the long kickoffs. Nice job giving them a long kickoff after getting that FG, you bum. His short kick allowed Washington to get that long return which set up the go ahead TD.
FU Cortez.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on November 07, 2005, 12:30:25 PM
I hope to God they beat DAL & NYG and finish 10-6.
Fixed. Ha.
How soon till Akers can resume kickoff duties? Cortez just blows.
I cannot belive that we had 2nd and 4 on the 6 and threw the ball 3 times in a row.
That was the game, that was Andy Reid and that is the tone of this entire season so far.
Oh, and the defense has been replaced by Pod People.
Quote from: methdeez on November 08, 2005, 09:02:53 PM
I cannot belive that we had 2nd and 4 on the 6 and threw the ball 3 times in a row.
Running was working out so well, too. Good point.
Quote from: FFatPatt on November 09, 2005, 08:04:09 AM
Quote from: methdeez on November 08, 2005, 09:02:53 PM
I cannot belive that we had 2nd and 4 on the 6 and threw the ball 3 times in a row.
Running was working out so well, too. Good point.
a quick pitch or draw might have caught them off guard down there, you gotta try it at least once.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on November 09, 2005, 08:05:43 AM
Quote from: FFatPatt on November 09, 2005, 08:04:09 AM
Quote from: methdeez on November 08, 2005, 09:02:53 PM
I cannot belive that we had 2nd and 4 on the 6 and threw the ball 3 times in a row.
Running was working out so well, too. Good point.
a quick pitch or draw might have caught them off guard down there, you gotta try it at least once.
If they'd tried that, they would have probably lost yardage. The playcalling was not to blame there.
Quote from: FFatPatt on November 09, 2005, 08:09:45 AM
Quote from: Sun_Mo on November 09, 2005, 08:05:43 AM
Quote from: FFatPatt on November 09, 2005, 08:04:09 AM
Quote from: methdeez on November 08, 2005, 09:02:53 PM
I cannot belive that we had 2nd and 4 on the 6 and threw the ball 3 times in a row.
Running was working out so well, too. Good point.
a quick pitch or draw might have caught them off guard down there, you gotta try it at least once.
If they'd tried that, they would have probably lost yardage. The playcalling was not to blame there.
no? Reid's explanation to why Westbrook wasn't in the game at the end was because of the plays they called.
Quote from: FFatPatt on November 09, 2005, 08:04:09 AM
Quote from: methdeez on November 08, 2005, 09:02:53 PM
I cannot belive that we had 2nd and 4 on the 6 and threw the ball 3 times in a row.
Running was working out so well, too. Good point.
2 yards per carry for the game. 3 downs to get 4 yards. That math adds up to me.
Quote from: rjs246 on November 09, 2005, 08:20:11 AM
Quote from: FFatPatt on November 09, 2005, 08:04:09 AM
Quote from: methdeez on November 08, 2005, 09:02:53 PM
I cannot belive that we had 2nd and 4 on the 6 and threw the ball 3 times in a row.
Running was working out so well, too. Good point.
2 yards per carry for the game. 3 downs to get 4 yards. That math adds up to me.
What are you doing? Trying to make sense or something? Cut that shtein out.
Fine. That's the whole reason we lost. It's Reid's fault. You win.
Quote from: FFatPatt on November 09, 2005, 08:35:20 AM
Fine. That's the whole reason we lost. It's Reid's fault. You win.
i think he gets alot of unnecessary blame in this town, but this time, it is on him.
Quote from: FFatPatt on November 09, 2005, 08:35:20 AM
Fine. That's the whole reason we lost. It's Reid's fault. You win.
Don't get all sensitive, Mary. It wasn't the whole reason we lost. The defense not being able to eackle was the whole reason we lost. Reid's awful personel and playcalling on the last possession was the reason the team didn't score. That's all.
2nd and 4 on the 6 and threw the ball 3 times in a row.
its spots like this where mcnabbs inability to run really hurts them
Quote from: Sun_Mo on November 09, 2005, 08:44:02 AM
Quote from: FFatPatt on November 09, 2005, 08:35:20 AM
Fine. That's the whole reason we lost. It's Reid's fault. You win.
i think he gets alot of unnecessary blame in this town, but this time, it is on him.
He stuck with the run long enough in that game. Probably longer than he should have. The pass blocking was stellar, and McNabb was fairly effective. Running the ball so much actually hurt our chances and took away opportunities.
I can't wait to see how Monday night's game plays out if the Eagles run the ball 20 times for 25 yards.
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 09, 2005, 08:46:15 AM
2nd and 4 on the 6 and threw the ball 3 times in a row.
its spots like this where mcnabbs inability to run really hurts them
It's not like he would have anyway. He'd be afraid that by running in for the winning TD would bring the whole "running QB" label back down on him.
just because you aren't running for many yards doesn't mean the running game isn't helping the offense. why do you think they had stellar pass blocking? because the defense had to at least think they might run.
and as rjs said, the defense let them down alot too. but that being said, they had a chance to tie the game at the end and their best offensive weapon wasn't even in the farging game. that is inexcusable.
and I think one of the reasons the running game wasn't getting many yards is because Reid wasn't calling good running plays for Westbrook. instead of running him off-tackle all of the time, how about some pitches or counters, something that can utilize his speed and elusiveness.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on November 09, 2005, 08:53:25 AM
just because you aren't running for many yards doesn't mean the running game isn't helping the offense. why do you think they had stellar pass blocking? because the defense had to at least think they might run.
My agreement boner is raging.
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but that being said, they had a chance to tie the game at the end and their best offensive weapon wasn't even in the farging game. that is inexcusable.
See above.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on November 09, 2005, 08:53:25 AM
and as rjs said, the defense let them down alot too. but that being said, they had a chance to tie the game at the end and their best offensive weapon wasn't even in the farging game. that is inexcusable.
I agree with that. But that didn't mean he should have been calling running plays.
instead of running him off-tackle all of the time, how about some pitches or counters, something that can utilize his speed and elusiveness.
for some reason reid will not call toss sweeps for westbrook...priest holmes made a career off that play in kc and westbrook is just as explosive imo
fwiw jaws brought up on the morning show a few minutes ago that westbrook had a chance for some big plays but the eagles wr blocking was terrible...and its something they definitely need to improve on