Losing was the best thing that could ever happen to this team. We HAVE to fix this slow start shtein. We need to continue to run the ball. Andy's playcalling in the 3rd quarter was very good. He needs to keep it up. Losing again was the best thing that ever happened to this team. It's the only thing we can bank on to wake this team up.
I guess the Dallas beat down wasn't enough. Or the slow start at KC. Or the slow start against the Falcons. Or...
::)
Nope it wasn't good enough. Every man has their breaking point. If other teams continue to beat it into us eventually Andy will see the light. He finally started to in the second half but it was too late.
Lame. If this team didn't learn from the Dallas game then they aren't going to. Not this year.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on October 30, 2005, 08:30:02 PM
Lame. If this team didn't learn from the Dallas game then they aren't going to. Not this year.
Yup
Next week marks the midseason point, if they haven't learned now then they're not going too.
Losing is better than winning though. If we won, we'd be 5-2, and think everything is all peaches and cream, then go into Washington and get stomped.
Now our team is going to be FURIOUS. 42 points? This isn't just a loss it's a total embarassment. The team has to be determined to turn it around to save face.
Oh ok, I get it. Get stomped one week and show up the next. Sounds like a recipe for a 9-7 season.
Yup.
If the other slow starts didn't help, this one won't either.
Who knows? All I know is that the season ain't over. And there isn't a SB won in October.
November/December is when this team is good. Thats when they need to be on.
Next 3 weeks = NFCE games. Lets talk then.
Quote from: TO is GOD on October 30, 2005, 08:31:38 PM
Losing is better than winning though. If we won, we'd be 5-2, and think everything is all peaches and cream, then go into Washington and get stomped.
Now our team is going to be FURIOUS. 42 points? This isn't just a loss it's a total embarassment. The team has to be determined to turn it around to save face.
Dallas could have scored 80 points if they wanted too. If that beat down wasn't the wake up call I highly doubt losing at Mile High to the Denver Freaking Broncos will be.
Quote from: TO is GOD on October 30, 2005, 08:31:38 PM
Losing is better than winning though. If we won, we'd be 5-2, and think everything is all peaches and cream, then go into Washington and get stomped.
Now our team is going to be FURIOUS. 42 points? This isn't just a loss it's a total embarassment. The team has to be determined to turn it around to save face.
Man, you need to come back to reality.
This game ain't gonna matter. If Dallas didn't wake them up, I'm not sure what will.
Sooner or later... this team will learn how to put 4 full quarters together.
I just hope it starts sooner rather than later.
You all are crazy. You act like there's some rule where you have one chance for a blowout loss to wake you up and if it doesn't work then it will never work.
Where do you all get this from? That makes absolutely no sense.
There is no QUESTION that this loss will wake this team up. Andy will run the ball a lot more, Jimmy Johnson will fix up his defense, and the team will go in and stop the taterskins.
I don't know why you make these ridiculous rules up.
the front 7 is below average and andy still won't run the ball.
Quote from: TO is GOD on October 30, 2005, 08:38:26 PM
I don't know why you make these ridiculous rules up.
Ridiculous? YOU WOULD RATHER HAVE THEM LOSE THEN WIN. SHUT THE HELL UP.
I'm sure Corey Simon would help soooooo much. Horseshtein.
And Andy did start running when theyr were back in the game. When you get down so goddamn much you can't get all Pittsburgh Steelerish out there.
But shtein...if we had Simon it would be all gravy, right?
who mentioned simon?
Team Hollis says Corey Sucks, never mention him again, thank you for your time.
Quote from: mhunt on October 30, 2005, 08:41:58 PM
who mentioned simon?
You will eventually. The front 7 comment is the preamble.
i want to punch someone in the face. bring me michael barkann.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 30, 2005, 08:42:50 PM
Quote from: mhunt on October 30, 2005, 08:41:58 PM
who mentioned simon?
You will eventually. The front 7 comment is the preamble.
i don't think i need to mention him...it's obvious that the front 7 stinks.
Quote from: TO is GOD on October 30, 2005, 08:38:26 PM
You all are crazy. You act like there's some rule where you have one chance for a blowout loss to wake you up and if it doesn't work then it will never work.
Where do you all get this from? That makes absolutely no sense.
There is no QUESTION that this loss will wake this team up. Andy will run the ball a lot more, Jimmy Johnson will fix up his defense, and the team will go in and stop the taterskins.
I don't know why you make these ridiculous rules up.
So good, by your logic... this loss will wake them up just enough to go ahead and get smashed by the Giants. Wonderful.
Quote from: mhunt on October 30, 2005, 08:44:18 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 30, 2005, 08:42:50 PM
Quote from: mhunt on October 30, 2005, 08:41:58 PM
who mentioned simon?
You will eventually. The front 7 comment is the preamble.
i don't think i need to mention him...it's obvious that the front 7 stinks.
Right on.
Maybe Simon & Burgess would help on offense.
main problem on offense....andy won't run the ball
main problem on defense....front 7 stinks.
Quote from: mhunt on October 30, 2005, 08:47:19 PM
main problem on offense....andy won't run the ball
main problem on defense....front 7 stinks.
Main problem in my fridge.........no beer. :'( :'( :'(
Hunt...explain to me how you can have a good balance and runnning game when it is 28-0?
I can't wait to hear your reasoning.
I want him to run more too! But when the defense is giving up points like that and you get behind by 4 goddamn tds you have to throw to catch up.
Did you see the balance when it was 28-21? That proves my point.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 30, 2005, 08:50:16 PM
Hunt...explain to me how you can have a good balance and runnning game when it is 28-0?
I can't wait to hear your reasoning.
I want him to run more too! But when the defense is giving up points like that and you get behind by 4 goddamn tds you have to throw to catch up.
Did you see the balance when it was 28-21? That proves my point.
Ehhh...even when it was 7-0, 14-0, 21-0 Andy refused to call a running play. The defense knew damn well what his game plan was yet he was too stubborn to augment it. Instead of going 3 and out 3 times with 9 passing plays, why not at least attempt to run the ball? At least it'll slow games down and maybe lessen the early beating that Donovan's been taking.
andy stale and boring as usual
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 30, 2005, 08:50:16 PM
Hunt...explain to me how you can have a good balance and runnning game when it is 28-0?
I can't wait to hear your reasoning.
I want him to run more too! But when the defense is giving up points like that and you get behind by 4 goddamn tds you have to throw to catch up.
Did you see the balance when it was 28-21? That proves my point.
not running the ball is the reason they got down 28-0.
Quote1st Quarter
Philadelphia - 15:00
PHI kicked off, D. Williams returned kickoff for 26 yards
Denver - 15:00
1st-10, DEN26 15:00 J. Plummer incomplete pass to the right
2nd-10, DEN26 14:54 J. Plummer passed to J. Putzier to the right for 11 yard gain
1st-10, DEN37 14:49 M. Anderson rushed to the left for 3 yard gain
2nd-7, DEN40 14:08 M. Anderson rushed to the right for 6 yard gain
3rd-1, DEN46 13:29 M. Anderson rushed to the right for 3 yard gain. PHI committed 5 yard penalty
3rd-10, PHI46 12:23 J. Plummer passed to A. Lelie to the right for 32 yard gain
1st-10, PHI14 12:22 J. Plummer incomplete pass to the right
2nd-10, PHI14 11:40 J. Plummer passed to S. Alexander to the right for 4 yard gain
3rd-6, PHI10 11:34 J. Plummer passed to C. Adams to the right for 8 yard gain
1st-2, PHI2 11:00 M. Anderson rushed up the middle for 2 yard touchdown. J. Elam made PAT
Denver - 10:17
DEN kicked off, R. Hood returned kickoff for 20 yards
Philadelphia - 10:17
1st-10, PHI23 10:17 D. McNabb incomplete pass to the right
2nd-10, PHI23 10:11 D. McNabb incomplete pass to the right
3rd-10, PHI23 10:05 D. McNabb incomplete pass to the right
4th-10, PHI23 10:05 D. Johnson punt, no return. PHI committed 10 yard penalty
Denver - 9:54
1st-10, DEN45 9:54 T. Bell rushed to the right for 1 yard loss
2nd-11, DEN44 9:48 J. Plummer sacked by J. Kearse
3rd-11, DEN44 9:13 J. Plummer passed to T. Devoe to the right for 9 yard gain
4th-2, PHI47 8:51 T. Sauerbrun punt, touchback
Philadelphia - 8:13
1st-10, PHI20 8:13 D. McNabb incomplete pass to the right
2nd-10, PHI20 8:13 D. McNabb incomplete pass to the right
3rd-10, PHI20 8:08 D. McNabb incomplete pass to the right
4th-10, PHI20 8:04 D. Johnson punt. D. Williams returned punt for no gain. D. Williams fumbled. PHI committed 5 yard penalty
Denver - 7:54
1st-10, DEN47 7:54 M. Anderson rushed to the left for 7 yard gain
2nd-3, PHI43 7:54 M. Anderson rushed to the left for 10 yard gain
1st-10, PHI33 7:20 M. Anderson rushed to the right for 3 yard gain
2nd-7, PHI30 6:39 J. Plummer passed to M. Anderson to the right for 16 yard gain
1st-10, PHI14 6:05 T. Bell rushed to the left for 3 yard gain
2nd-7, PHI11 5:20 PHI committed 5 yard penalty
1st-6, PHI6 4:40 J. Plummer passed to K. Johnson to the right for 6 yard touchdown. J. Elam made PAT
Denver - 4:30
DEN kicked off, R. Hood returned kickoff for 23 yards
Philadelphia - 4:30
1st-10, PHI31 4:30 B. Westbrook rushed to the right for 2 yard gain
2nd-8, PHI33 4:24 D. McNabb rushed to the right for 2 yard gain
3rd-6, PHI35 3:38 D. McNabb incomplete pass to the right
4th-6, PHI35 3:11 D. Johnson punt. C. Adams returned punt for 2 yard loss
Denver - 2:58
1st-10, DEN24 2:58 J. Plummer passed to R. Smith to the right for 32 yard gain
1st-10, PHI44 2:58 J. Plummer incomplete pass to the right
2nd-10, PHI44 2:13 M. Anderson rushed to the left for 6 yard gain
3rd-4, PHI38 1:27 J. Plummer incomplete pass to the right
4th-4, PHI38 1:27 T. Sauerbrun punt, no return
Philadelphia - 1:07
1st-10, PHI3 1:07 D. McNabb incomplete pass to the right
2nd-10, PHI3 1:07 D. McNabb incomplete pass to the right
3rd-10, PHI3 1:00 D. McNabb incomplete pass to the right
4th-10, PHI3 1:00 D. Johnson punt. D. Williams returned punt for 1 yard. DEN committed 10 yard penalty
Denver - 0:43
1st-10, DEN40 0:43 J. Plummer passed to A. Lelie to the right for 37 yard gain
1st-10, PHI23 0:43 T. Bell rushed to the left for 3 yard gain
2nd Quarter
Denver continued
2nd-7, PHI20 15:00 T. Bell rushed to the left for 1 yard gain
3rd-6, PHI19 15:00 J. Plummer passed to C. Adams to the right for 10 yard gain
1st-9, PHI9 14:19 T. Bell rushed to the right for 6 yard gain
2nd-3, PHI3 13:39 M. Anderson rushed up the middle for 1 yard gain
3rd-2, PHI2 12:59 J. Plummer passed to R. Smith to the right for 2 yard touchdown. J. Elam made PAT
C'mon, do you seriously think that if the Eagles came back to win, the coaching staff would think everything's okay, and not go back and look at went wrong in the first half? Anyone who believes that has a severely distorted idea of how the National Football League works. Every coach, no matter how zesty, goes back and looks at the mistakes even after a dominating win.
Also, knowing what went wrong is the easy part. Designing ways to fix and overcome the problems is the very tough part.
Andy waited until we were down 28-0 to establish a run game. It's easy to come back when there's no pressure on you. Then when the Eagles come within a TD they fargin choke again.
Also, he STILL didn't run NEARLY enough. Even when we were back in the game. It was 2nd and 3 on one drive. We were down 28-14. We got the 7 yards on a Westbrook run.
RUN THE BALL ON 2ND AND 3 ANDY!
HELLO???????? EARTH TO ANDY??? This guy is a farging moron this year.
Did he forget how to farging coach?
Quote from: QB Eagles on October 30, 2005, 08:57:42 PM
C'mon, do you seriously think that if the Eagles came back to win, the coaching staff would think everything's okay, and not go back and look at went wrong in the first half? Anyone who believes that has a severely distorted idea of how the National Football League works. Every coach, no matter how zesty, goes back and looks at the mistakes even after a dominating win.
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uhhh....11 of the first 12 plays andy called today were passes....and that's after last week's game where the offense stunk because of no running game.
I noticed that several of those plays near the beginning were called run plays that McNabb audibled into pass plays after taking a look at the defense.
Quote from: QB Eagles on October 30, 2005, 09:01:39 PM
I noticed that several of those plays near the beginning were called run plays that McNabb audibled into pass plays after taking a look at the defense.
No way of knowing for certain if it was a run play or not. Could have been a formation to show run and then motion into pass. Who knows?
I would just love to see Andy run the ball next week on 1st 2nd and 3rd down. I know he won't but do it to send a message.
What is this guy's deal this year? I'm sick of his smug attitude. This is not rcoket science it's common sense. They blitzed every down.
RUN THE BALL!
75% of the loss is Andy's fault. The 3 and outs got the defense dead tired. Then they got torched. This defense can't be on the field every minute after a 3 and out.
1st, 2nd, AND 3rd? Todays run/pass ratio was 17/36. If you add in McNabb's runs, or the audibles in the beginning which were possibly runs, its 20/35ish. Take in the fact they were down TWENTY-EIGHT TO ZERO, he did alright. If you noticed today, he did do a couple run on 1st and 2nd downs, it worked out well.
Horay! We've kept up the tradition of getting our asses kicked by one AFC team every regular season!
I have one question. When the Eagles and taterskins play next Sunday Night, who do you think will be more pumped up? The taterskins just came off a total ass whipping, as well as the Eagles. We got shut out by 36, you lost by 27. I think that next week will be a total ass kicking fest from both teams. Both teams will be pumped up.
This will be the first game to end in negative points.
the skins defense will own the birds offense...that goes without saying...hopefully tho their o will be pathetic again
Quote from: Dillen37 on October 30, 2005, 09:10:30 PM
1st, 2nd, AND 3rd? Todays run/pass ratio was 17/36. If you add in McNabb's runs, or the audibles in the beginning which were possibly runs, its 20/35ish. Take in the fact they were down TWENTY-EIGHT TO ZERO, he did alright. If you noticed today, he did do a couple run on 1st and 2nd downs, it worked out well.
They waited until they were down 28-0 to run. Stop looking at the numbers. It was too late by then, the game was over.
2nd and 7 and or 8 and they pass the ball EVERY time...does andy not know the odds of picking up a third and 3 or four compared to a 3rd and 8
in that situation no one is asking that you get a first down with a run...but when its 2nd and seven even if you just gain three yards on a run you got 3rd and four and a high % chance of getting the first....keeps the defense off balance as the possibility of another run or even a screen exists..compared to 3rd and eight where you know its a pass and the blitz is coming
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 30, 2005, 09:33:54 PM
2nd and 7 and or 8 and they pass the ball EVERY time...does andy not know the odds of picking up a third and 3 or four compared to a 3rd and 8
in that situation no one is asking that you get a first down with a run...but when its 2nd and seven even if you just gain three yards on a run you got 3rd and four and a high % chance of getting the first....keeps the defense off balance as the possibility of another run or even a screen exists..compared to 3rd and eight where you know its a pass and the blitz is coming
Stop using logic, damn it!
You guys know the funny thing? This could be the Eagles last good year in a LONG time. With the potential of TO and Westbrook possibly leaving, then next year we won't win 5 games without those players. I'm not jumping the gun yet, but something to keep in mind. If the Eagles don't make it to the playoffs this year, it could be the end of the Eagles dominance for another 10 years until we get great again. You never know.
Thrash. Pinkston. Autrey.
Quote from: TO is GOD on October 30, 2005, 09:38:09 PM
You guys know the funny thing? This could be the Eagles last good year in a LONG time. With the potential of TO and Westbrook possibly leaving, then next year we won't win 5 games without those players. I'm not jumping the gun yet, but something to keep in mind. If the Eagles don't make it to the playoffs this year, it could be the end of the Eagles dominance for another 10 years until we get great again. You never know.
lol. ok.
pam oliver made a great point when she talked about how emotionless the eagles sideline was...thats what happens when your two best players dont wanna play for the team.....ill say it again to everyone if you dont think TO's attitude is effecting the team then you just arent paying attention...
if i see mcnabb standing on the sideline one more time laughing with koy when they are down by 100 pts im gonna lose it
they havnt had emotion for most of the year. i mentioned this after the Atlanta game.
The sky is falling!!!!!!!
Lose it. Please. Do it. Do it! Lose it, bitch! LOSE IT!
they havnt had emotion for most of the year. i mentioned this after the Atlanta game.
totally agree...i know it almost sounds like a cliche at this point...but you really cant have your qb and wr and rb and what seems like the whole offense on a different page....
was no one else furious when they were down 21-0 and 28-0 and mcnabb and detmer were giggling it up on the sideline....
The defense is always emotional, and they often get smoked. You either play well or you don't, it doesn't matter if you're frothing at the mouth or telling dirty jokes about Rush Limbaugh to Neckbeard.
every time i bring up jim johnson being a liability at times, i get ::)'d
well for ever san deigo game, he has a game where his plan shteins the bed. it started with the superbowl.
this is a 9-7 team right now...
This team needs a pass rush more than ANYTHING else right now. The offense sucks because of coaching. The defense sucks because of personnel. If this team doesn't sign a big-time pass rushing DE in the offseason then... :-D I honestly can't put into words how mad I'd be. They'll deserve every loss they get if they don't fix this DE problem and I'll be right there laughing in their face if they don't.
So, basically we bitched and we have every right to bitch. Does anyone have any ideas on how to fix this team besides running the ball? That is a given. What else do we need to do? Let's get some ideas.
Quote from: Wingspan on October 30, 2005, 10:02:46 PM
every time i bring up jim johnson being a liability at times, i get ::)'d
His schemes aren't ever perfect, but he can't go out there and tackle for guys. Now if he's telling them "everyone bit on the playaction hard" then yeah, he needs his ass thrown in a woodchipper.
Quote from: TO is GOD on October 30, 2005, 10:04:09 PM
Does anyone have any ideas on how to fix this team besides running the ball? That is a given. What else do we need to do? Let's get some ideas.
Sign Chad Lewis. Dink, dunk, and be merry.
the defense can be better but they dont deserve the hate that they are gonna get...the field postion that the o gives them is embarrassing
why people are ripping the d is because of the beginnging of the year expectations were out of control...there were a couple threads on this very board asking who was there better d ..the gang green d of circa 91 or this years....which is laughable...its why i robbed pg of five bucks on whod have the better d skins or eagles...when i see homertastic weakness i pounce
They'd be a whole lot better if they'd stop dropping easy INTs.
The defense deserves every criticism they are getting. The Raiders had the ball on our 50 on every drive against us and we held them to 20 points. They are every bit as explosive as Denver. 49 points is no excuse I'm sorry. I don't care what our offense did. 49 points is a DISGRACE. Our LBs besides Trotter suck. Lito is getting torched. Our d-line is getting no pressure. This defense is very average right now. I had high expectations going in but maybe I shouldn't have. We need to replace Dhani Jones and Bullet in the offseason. We need a STUD DE. We need another DT. Man this defense needs a LOT.
But of course the Eagles won't do shtein in the offseason to help this team. They'll sign Joe Generic from the Titans who was a 3rd string LB and Andy will try to sell us that he's a star in the making.
Trotter sucks too.
Best MLB in football.
Bullet and Jones suck though. I'm tired of them. Jones can't cover for shtein and Bullet always gets blown up.
Speaking of blown up, did anyone see Simoneau get blown up on that goal line TD when Trotter missed a few plays?
OUCH
But of course Andy and Jim Johnson love him so he's on the team.
:-\ Oh man...... :-D
The defense has been horribly inconsistant this year. Some of it's JJ some of it's the players. Here's some of the things they've done this year:
Allowed over 20 points in the first half in 3 games (Den, Dal, KC)
Given up more plays of 40+ yards through 7 games than the did all of last year.
Given up 30+ points in a game more times this year than they did all of last year.
I know there's more than that but this is just off the top of my head. Too lazy to look up the rest. But I'm certain that if you look at red zone td's allowed, take aways, passes of 40+ yards and sacks, this defense probably isn't on the same level as they've been in previous years either.
no one is going to say the defense has been stellar but come on they get put in ridiculous situations every time out...the field position they face is out of control
that said can we get some linebackers on this team...adams and dhani are a disgrace...btw speaking of adams why does that scab get a nickname....
bullet???
gimme a break
He should be called bullet because it's easy to deflect out of the way. Whenever he faces a blocker he gets sprung out of the way at the speed a bullet gets deflected. He's all small and weak. :-D
But expect to have these same problems next year since Andy won't bring in any big-time players.
The defense is Jim Johnson's call. He wanted little guys that are allegedly fast, that's what he got.
The offense and their horrible lackluster attitude has finally rub off on the defense. Dawkins can only get the defense crunked so much. When you walk off the field and see the faces of all your idiot offensive players...you lose some passion for the game right there.
hopefully this year will be a reality check for andy and will knock his god complex down a notch or two
its amazing how he is like doesnt matter who we lose or dont get it will all work out in the end...even tho its been proven that when you lose in the superbowl the chances are your team is going to fall off hard...but not andys...just come back with 47 undrafted free agents and 12 mil under th cap and well be right back where we belong...wtf? you fat pice of crap...youre not GOD!!!
Quote from: The Waco Kid on October 30, 2005, 10:25:45 PM
The offense and their horrible lackluster attitude has finally rub off on the defense. Dawkins can only get the defense crunked so much. When you walk off the field and see the faces of all your idiot offensive players...you lose some passion for the game right there.
There's probably some truth to that. When the offense got on a roll, the d got fired up. As soon as the offense turned it over, the defense went flat.
However, when the d gives up another td on the first series of the game (again) I'm not going to blame that on the offense since they haven't even been on the field.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on October 30, 2005, 10:27:46 PM
However, when the d gives up another td on the first series of the game (again) I'm not going to blame that on the offense since they haven't even been on the field.
It's a two way street. Why should the offense get fired up when they have to start in a hole?
The offense and their horrible lackluster attitude has finally rub off on the defense. Dawkins can only get the defense crunked so much. When you walk off the field and see the faces of all your idiot offensive players...you lose some passion for the game right there
totally agree...classic moment is when momentum was all on the eagles tip and the defense balled up hard...the birds drove down and donovan throws that horrendous int you could just see game over at that point...the d is like what more do we have to do...we worked them four straight possesions and give you the ball in a money spot and yopu thow a horribile pick...end of game....
What was up with that guy on that pick, anyway? He had no farging idea what to do once he caught the ball.
Quote from: General_Failure on October 30, 2005, 10:29:17 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on October 30, 2005, 10:27:46 PM
However, when the d gives up another td on the first series of the game (again) I'm not going to blame that on the offense since they haven't even been on the field.
It's a two way street. Why should the offense get fired up when they have to start in a hole?
The offense hasn't started a game with a productive drive yet this year, even when they played the first series.
Well they farged up plain and simple. I'm sick of hearing all the excuses about how the Eagles could do no wrong. I just can't believe Mike Mcmahon was the big FA signing. This team is so cheap in free agency and we could use some help right now. I'm just so sick right now it pisses me off, and what is this team going to do next year? I mean, what is this team going to do next year if they decide to let TO go. They will turn into the 2004 taterskins offense. On top of that this whole issue with Westbrook is there. If I were Westbrook I wouldn't want to come back. He's not getting to run the ball nearly enough.
I just can't see how this team can let these players go in the offseason if they are sane. I'm not just concerned about this year I'm concerned about our future as well. I guess it's too early to look ahead though but I can't help it I'm angry and I'm pondering a lot of things about this team.
Anyway on Ray Didinger made a great point on Post game live today. He said last year Plummer played very mediocre football. They asked Plummer to do too much. This year Plummer is playing great, and they have an amazingly balanced offense. Then you look at McNabb and the team throws the ball 50 times a game and McNabb looks like trash. Last year he looked great. You need some type of balance. You need to put your QB in a good situation. McNabb has some blame, but right now IMO it's 75/25 in favor of Reid. If he continues this pass happy shtein for the rest of the season and we miss the playoffs then he deserves to be fired. There is just absolutely no excuse.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on October 30, 2005, 10:31:26 PM
Quote from: General_Failure on October 30, 2005, 10:29:17 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on October 30, 2005, 10:27:46 PM
However, when the d gives up another td on the first series of the game (again) I'm not going to blame that on the offense since they haven't even been on the field.
It's a two way street. Why should the offense get fired up when they have to start in a hole?
The offense hasn't started a game with a productive drive yet this year, even when they played the first series.
So when we kick off the defense gets preemptively depressed?
yep the o has been hideous from the get...and its not like you expect a score right off the bat but could you possibly get a few first downs so to at least hang in the field postiton battle
Do you ever see the offense fired up on the sideline? No...only the defensive guys. I'm saying that their piss poor attitude has rub off some on the defense.
I mean look at last week. The defense gave a top notch performance and the offense couldn't do a damn thing. The ST had to bail out the offense. Had it not been for that...we'd be 3-4 right now.
Somethin has gotta give and soon. Fire someone...cut someone...light a fire under the asses of the offense.
Anyway on Ray Didinger made a great point on Post game live today. He said last year Plummer played very mediocre football. They asked Plummer to do too much. This year Plummer is playing great, and they have an amazingly balanced offense
tru dat
i said all week if plummer doesnt throw a couple picks the eagles have no chance...the birds offense with no running game cannot put together long drives...this puts unbelievble pressure on their d...at this point in time for the most part if the offense doesnt get field positon via something like a TO or a big kick return they dont have much chance
Maybe we need to just let our defensive guys play both ways...and maybe throw in TO and Westbrook to help out.
I just don't get it. OK, you go 3 and out on the first drive. You'd think that Andy would say that since they are blitzing on every play then he should run the ball. What does he do? THROW THROW THROW THROW THROW. I mean this guy is totally out of control right now. His smugness just drives me crazy. So much that at times I wish for this team to fail just so he can learn his lesson. He's been getting lucky with soft competition the last few years and when we finally have a difficult schedule this team suffers. Much like the NFC championship games minus last year where the Eagles were FAR superior to the Falcons. Someone needs to yell at Andy and it needs to be McNabb. TO can't do it because he's the bad guy. IMO the only thing that could possibly wake Andy up is if his step child Donovan McNabb lets him have it.
yup this loss was good for you- i say you just lose one more time next week and you'll be set for the season ;)
Well McNabb needs to be man enough to say "Okay...i'm killing this team with my injury. I will take one for the team and get surgery."
If we lose to the taterskins and Giants...it's over. Then for sure...McNabb needs to end his season.
Quote from: TO is GOD on October 30, 2005, 10:33:41 PM
If I were Westbrook I wouldn't want to come back. He's not getting to run the ball nearly enough.
2 yards, 10 yards, 2 yards, 8 yards, -2 yards, 1 yard, 5 yards, 0 yards, 4 yards, 12 yards, 3 yards, 5 yards, -2 yards. That's Westbrook's day on the ground. Perhaps a little more consistency form him and he'd get the ball a little more. Since we're only taking into consideration factors that support our own ranting I'll be the first to say Westbrook is 4 parts suck and 1 part lucky.
You can't base it on today alone. He hasn't gotten a chance and our O-Line can't run block to save their lives. We need a new Center and another kick ass guard.
McNabb's injury isn't the problem. Did you see him move today. Forget the incompletions, he moved like the 100% McNabb. He looked fluid, quick, and strong. Not even Tom Brady could complete passes with pressure like that. McNabb had about 2 seconds to get rid of it. I don't care how healthy you are, you won't have success doing that. Even if McNabb had no sports hernia he still would've been 0-13 completions today.
Andy Reid has lost his marbles plain and simple. He wont run the ball because people think he should, his me against the world attitude has cost this team finally. McNabb cant throw the ball effectively enough and yet Reid still doesnt run the ball to help his QB. McNabb for the benefit of the team needs to get the surgery and look foward to next year, this team isnt going anywhere with a debilitated General who cant throw or run.
Quote from: General_Failure on October 30, 2005, 10:42:01 PM
Quote from: TO is GOD on October 30, 2005, 10:33:41 PM
If I were Westbrook I wouldn't want to come back. He's not getting to run the ball nearly enough.
2 yards, 10 yards, 2 yards, 8 yards, -2 yards, 1 yard, 5 yards, 0 yards, 4 yards, 12 yards, 3 yards, 5 yards, -2 yards. That's Westbrook's day on the ground. Perhaps a little more consistency form him and he'd get the ball a little more. Since we're only taking into consideration factors that support our own ranting I'll be the first to say Westbrook is 4 parts suck and 1 part lucky.
That's how a running game works for this team. It's not going to be 5 yards, 6 yards, 10 yards, 8 yards, 5 yards, 7 yards. It's going to be up and down since we down have a great run blocking line.
So -2 yards is better than an incompletion. Because it helps the time of posession stat?
You don't even care...because to you this is all Trotter's fault.
No, because it opens up the play action. Even if we aren't running effectively, if we run the threat is still there. Just like last week vs the Chargers. We shut down LT, but the play action still worked because the threat is there. If the Eagles would just run it, then maybe they would wear down the defensive line and Westbrook's 5 yards, -1 yards, 6 yards, 1 yards would turn into 5 yards, 8 yards, 6 yards, 10 yards. Part of a running game is to wear down their defensive line, and set up the play action. Then we pass every down their line stays fresh and our play action does nothing so they'll just blitz all day and kill McNabb.
Quote from: The Waco Kid on October 30, 2005, 10:47:39 PM
You don't even care...because to you this is all Trotter's fault.
I've tried blaming it all on Pinkston, but it's tough to convince anyone while he's not on the field.
Why can't we just all blame this on Simoneau. He can be the whipping boy.
McNabb's injury isn't the problem. Did you see him move today. Forget the incompletions, he moved like the 100% McNabb. He looked fluid, quick, and strong
this is a good point and while im not gonna say the injury has no effect he did move surprisingly well on some roll outs and scrambles...i said to my brother during the game that right now what you have is the three game stretch that mcnabb has every year where he literally cant throw the ball...the difference being that this year you have the hernia mixed in with the poor play which wont allow him to snap out of it as he has done in past years...i dont see a light at the end of the tunnel right now and its really disheartining
Andy's ego has become too big for this team. This team is thin in too many areas due to a too complicated offensive scheme and poor drafting on the offensive side, and a few bad breaks.
McNabbs problem is not the roll out its extending his torso to make those accurate throws.
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 30, 2005, 10:52:36 PM
McNabb's injury isn't the problem. Did you see him move today. Forget the incompletions, he moved like the 100% McNabb. He looked fluid, quick, and strong
this is a good point and while im not gonna say the injury has no effect he did move surprisingly well on some roll outs and scrambles...i said to my brother during the game that right now what you have is the three game stretch that mcnabb has every year where he literally cant throw the ball...the difference being that this year you have the hernia mixed in with the poor play which wont allow him to snap out of it as he has done in past years...i dont see a light at the end of the tunnel right now and its really disheartining
I agree. This is what I think is wrong with McNabb. I think he is playing bad because of something mental, not physical(the sports hernia). But where the sports hernia is hurting him, is he's confused mentally as in what his body is and isn't capable of. I think he might be thinking about the injury way too much and be letting it affect his game. Despite all that though, like I said before. No one would've been effective behind this offensive line today with them having 3 guys in McNabb's face on every down. So combine, the poor pass potection, the inability to run the ball, and McNabb being confused mentally you have a QB playing poorly. If you look at him in the Raiders game and today, it's night and day. The injury was NOT the problem today.
That's just my take.
McNabb is the weak point of this offense right now.
When you have game-breaking weapons like Owens, Westbrook, and LJ and the defense still has the temerity to blitz both safeties continuously, that tells me the opposing d-coordinator has no respect for McNabb's ability to pass the football....None.
The problem is, the only way to stop defenses from bringing the house is to burn them with the big play (once Owens has his 91-yard catch and run, Denver stopped selling out). Running won't work (you'll just run into the teeth of the blitz and get stuffed, especially when you lack a FB), and you can't sit there in the pocket and go thru your progressions one-by-one. This is the kind of defense that is played vs. sucky, scrubby rookie QBs: put 8-in-the-box and sell out until the QB demonstrates he can beat blitzing.
I disagree. It tells me that they have a lot of respect for McNabb. If they give McNabb time to throw the ball they think he'll pick them apart.
You give any QB time to throw, he'll pick you apart.
Blitzing is a very risky tactic. There's an old axiom, "Play defense on the good passers and blitz the poor ones."
If we had a QB who could consistently beat the blitz, Owens would've had 300 yards receiving.
The key to beating the blitz is having players back to pick up the blitz. The Broncos went in untouched a lot of the time, McNabb had nowhere to go, and nothing to do but get rid of it.
You leave in 7, they bring in 8. You leave in 8, they bring in 9. If a defense wants to get to the QB via a blitz, they can regardless of how seemingly impenetrable is your max protection.
What prevents teams from blitzing QBs like Manning, Brady, etc., is not the fact that their respective teams leave a buncha guys in to block, rather those QBs can read defenses, make the correct decisions in that short span, and get rid of the football rapidly. If you blitz them, they will burn you bad.
It might help that those QBs actually get a chance to read the defense and decide what to do without worrying about the play clock. Maybe.
Looking at the playoff picture as of now:
1 - Giants (2 losses, 1 in NFC)
2 - Seahawks (2 losses, 1 in NFC)
3 - Falcons (2 losses, 1 in NFC)
4 - Bears (3 losses, 1 in NFC)
5 - Panthers (2 losses, 1 in NFC)
6 - Buccaneers (2 losses, 1 in NFC)
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7 - Cowboys (3 losses, 2 in NFC)
8 - taterskins (3 losses, 1 in NFC)
9 - Eagles (3 losses, 2 in NFC)
10 - Rams (4 losses, 3 in NFC)
Still early. Nobody running away with things like the AFC...
Quote from: General_Failure on October 31, 2005, 12:32:55 AM
It might help that those QBs actually get a chance to read the defense and decide what to do without worrying about the play clock. Maybe.
What? You saying that second and a half between getting to the line and the clock hitting zero ain't enough time for McNAbb to get his shtein straight?
He's a slow reader. It's sad.
At least Cortez had a good game. My sponsorship is really helping him along I think.
Yeah, he didn't farg up any of the extra points like I thought he would. He gets to live another week.
Also on a serious note, does anyone here besides goeagles99 look at game tape? I want to know what the difference was with our game against the Broncos, and the Giants and taterskins game vs the Broncos. What did they do differently to us than they did to them? Why were they able to own us so bad and not them? What did we do differently to the Broncos compared to what the Giants and taterskins did? How were the taterskins able to keep it close and how were the Giants able to pull out a win and why were we blown out so bad?
Each week is a different scenario, man. The Broncos did not brign heat on Brunell and Manning like they did with McNabb.
Also...
After that bad opening drive of the 2nd half the run/pass balance was 16 passes and 11 runs culminating in the INT that ended all hope.
Andy decides to run and the offense starts moving? What a surprise!
The one thing that boggles my mind is the defense. The offense we pretty much got figured out. McNabb is not playing well(for whatever reason whether it's the sports hernia, pressure on him, etc) Andy isn't running the ball, the play calls suck.
But why is the defense playing so poorly, especially after shutting down COMPLETELY the best player in football last week in LT? How come we can't keep teams out of the end zone this year. Jim Johnson has always been a bend but don't break defense. Why is it breaking this year? I find it hard to believe that a lack of focus is the only cause of this total breakdown. Yea, I know the pass rush sucks, but our pass rush from the d-line is usually never good. We usually need to blitz to get pressure most of the time. It just baffles me why this defense is playing so poorly. It's the same stinkin squad as last year minus Burgess. Burgess is having a great year this year, but last year he didn't during the regular season.
Quote from: The Waco Kid on October 30, 2005, 10:25:45 PM
The offense and their horrible lackluster attitude has finally rub off on the defense. Dawkins can only get the defense crunked so much. When you walk off the field and see the faces of all your idiot offensive players...you lose some passion for the game right there.
well, dawkins was getting schooled left & right yesterday too...maybe he should stop posing & start playing.
Yeah, losing is much better than winning.
farging idiot.
as much as we've bitched about the offense all season, the defense is really what's mostly responsible for the slow starts. yeah, it would've been nice for the offense to maybe get a 1st down in the 1st quarter. but as a defense you cannot give up touchdowns everytime the other team gets the ball.
the secondary is getting burned because the below average front 4 can't get pressure. the only way they can get pressure is by blitzing and now teams are max protecting and picking the blitz up and picking the d apart.
While the offense has been disappointing, I am extremely disheartened by the defense.
They have been awful a good part of the year. In retrospect, they have been particularly awful on the road. I can't believe how they just let teams march down the field on them on some plays and how they sometimes just look bewildered out there.
All 7 touchdowns for the Broncos yesterday were offensive. They had over 500 yards of total OFFENSE. Its not like they had great field position all afternoon either. They started out deep in their territory most of the second half.
I just think the defense is grossly underachieving. They were always responsible for keeping the Eagles in games because, historically, our offense has always started off slow. It seemed like our offense always fed off our defense. If they D wasn't playing well, the offense got down on themselves. Not to say that something like that should happen, but its just a trend I'm depicting.
Bottom line is the D needs to get it together. If not its going to be a long season.
I'M BOYCOTTING THIS THREAD BECAUSE ALL CAPS HEADLINES SUCK.
This thread gave me a headache after the first 3 words. But being that I can't keep my mouth shut, here are my thoughts.
1. There is a part of me that's happy they lost. That is the same part of me that enjoys being right more than it enjoys being happy. No run game = losing team, which I've been screaming at the top of my lungs for two years. It does give me some (false) hope that they will make adjustments and go into FedEx ready to whomp some ass. Possibly wishful thinking, but a long week and a solid ass-whooping should allow them to be prepared.
2. Anyone that says that this team can't win without TO and Westbrook is farging delusional. TO is destroying this team. He's emotional, but it's all negative. He's talented, but his presense completely negatively impacts our play-calling. He has brought this team's chemistry to all-time lows and has drained the fire from his teammates. IGY is 100% right on this. If you don't think he's negatively impacting this team you aren't paying attention. Westbrook needs to shut his goddamned mouth and if he doesn't he'll be gone and the team will go on. He is a nice weapon to have and is capable of exciting things, but if they aren't even going to hand him the ball he's useless. They won with some schmucks back there in the past and they can do it again.
3. The front 7 is miserable. Not just below average. I think our DTs are average. Our DEs are awful. So bad that I don't even know how to properly express it. Our LB corps is almost as bad as the DEs and would be worse if Trotter wasn't so good at stuffing the run... oh wait, they let two guys run for over 100 yards yesterday, Trotter sucks too. The personel on that side of the ball is so far below what it should be that I'm surprised they have been able to tackle anyone this year.
4. Let Westbrook return kicks. And punts. Stop this farging around already. The blocking is terrible, but those stiffs returning the ball couldn't find a crease if there was hair around it.
I just wanted to say congratulations to the Eagles Defense. They've become the first team in NFL history to allow a 300 yard passer and two different 100-yard rushers in the same game.
Kudos! :yay
2005 Eagles = 2000 Rams, minus the triple reverse halfback options on the 4 yard line
Peter King making no sense as usual:
Quote3. I think this is what I liked about week 8:
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c. Terrell Owens, the best receiver in football.
4. I think this is what I didn't like about Week 8:
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h. The Eagles. All of them.
Quote from: Wingspan on October 30, 2005, 10:02:46 PM
this is a 9-7 team right now...
This is a 4-3 team right now.