2013-14 Phillies Offseason Thread

[PhillyPhreak54]

i guess what im saying is be better fans

the voice of the people!

[ice grillin you]

if you are pissed off at this offseason then you probably werent screaming for a rebuild the last two years and thus are part of the problem

[Sgt PSN]

Wins/losses is irrelevant. They want to fill seats and know fans will still come out to see Utley. Nobody but the hardcore fans would rather see prospects and rebuilding. You go into full on rebuild mode and suddenly you're not drawing fans and the stadium attendance turns into Pittsburgh. If they win or have success that's just a bonus. They're gonna milk this cow till its dry,

Pretty much.  And MLB is a sport you don't really tank in strictly for the purpose of going after the #1 pick in the draft.  It's not like the NBA where teams have a distinct drafting advantage if they pick in the top 3.  MLB draft is probably the biggest "unknown" of them all, not to mention that even if you have a stud #1 pick like a Strousberg or Harper, they're still going to spend some time in the minors before coming up to the bigs.  At least with the other sports, your #1 pick is going to be playing on opening day most of the time and helping to generate buzz and sell tickets.  Plus MLB teams have to sell 3x as many tickets to twice as many homes games.  With Utley/Rollins/Howard, this team probably still averages around 35k per game.  Without them, they might as well be in Miami.   

[Sgt PSN]

if you are pissed off at this offseason then you were probably werent screaming for a rebuild the last two years and thus are part of the problem

ha!

[ice grillin you]

Wins/losses is irrelevant. They want to fill seats and know fans will still come out to see Utley. Nobody but the hardcore fans would rather see prospects and rebuilding. You go into full on rebuild mode and suddenly you're not drawing fans and the stadium attendance turns into Pittsburgh. If they win or have success that's just a bonus. They're gonna milk this cow till its dry,

Pretty much.  And MLB is a sport you don't really tank in strictly for the purpose of going after the #1 pick in the draft.  It's not like the NBA where teams have a distinct drafting advantage if they pick in the top 3.  MLB draft is probably the biggest "unknown" of them all, not to mention that even if you have a stud #1 pick like a Strousberg or Harper, they're still going to spend some time in the minors before coming up to the bigs.  At least with the other sports, your #1 pick is going to be playing on opening day most of the time and helping to generate buzz and sell tickets.  Plus MLB teams have to sell 3x as many tickets to twice as many homes games.  With Utley/Rollins/Howard, this team probably still averages around 35k per game.  Without them, they might as well be in Miami.   

no chance they average 35k this year...unless they contend obviously....tickets sold last year was 37....gate attendance was much lower.....the bottom will drop out this year if they are terrible again no matter who is on the roster....and obviously theres no tanking in baseball but there is rebuilding and the phillies have unessecarily delayed their rebuilding process by at least three years in a sport that can take forever to get good again....especially when your system is horrible

also the bank prevents them from ever being anywhere close to a miami....they will never ever draw below 20k in a season

[Sgt PSN]

I was talking sales, rather than attendance.  They'll still sell tickets.  Whether or not those people show up or not is another story. 

[ice grillin you]

they arent gonna sell many tickets this year either

maybe 30-35 range and their basement is probably 25ish?

so for 5-10k more in ticket sales they have held on to a dead in the water team for three years

i find that hard to believe....i think roob actually thinks they can win

[SunMo]

at least i'll be able to get cheap tickets to spend a night at the ballpark this summer

[ice grillin you]

im done with that team until the rebuild starts and/or roob is toast

they make me sick

[Sgt PSN]

i think roob actually thinks they can win

Yeah, he's just not willing to close the window on the core guys.  I'm just not sure if it's out of extreme ignorance or if it's loyalty to guys like Jimmy, Utley and Howard and he's really trying to give those guys another shot at a title.  Or maybe it's because he doesn't want to admit that his plan just didn't produce a WFC.  Maybe a combo of all 3?  I don't know. 

[ice grillin you]

i think roob actually thinks they can win

Or maybe it's because he doesn't want to admit that his plan just didn't produce a WFC.

ding ding ding


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FcWZLrUQL3I

[Rome]

im done with that team until the rebuild starts and/or roob is toast

they make me sick

So you're going to stop commenting here too.

[Don Ho]

i think roob actually thinks they can win

Or maybe it's because he doesn't want to admit that his plan just didn't produce a WFC.

ding ding ding

  That 4 year downward spiral from WC to WS losers to NLCS losers to NLDS losers to dog shtein was inexcusable.  Nice plan Smugfarg.

[Geowhizzer]

Ruben Amaro's Confusing Vision

When I read the article, the first thought that struck my mind was, "What vision?"

[Sgt PSN]

i think roob actually thinks they can win

Or maybe it's because he doesn't want to admit that his plan just didn't produce a WFC.

ding ding ding

  That 4 year downward spiral from WC to WS losers to NLCS losers to NLDS losers to dog shtein was inexcusable.  Nice plan Smugfarg.

I didn't have a problem with most of the moves he made between 2009-11. The team performed progressively worse in the playoffs each year, but that's not really on him. Sure, Choke's contract was ridiculous, but if they get 1, maybe 2 more WFC by 2011, then its worth it.  The real problem was that he didn't try blowing it up in 2012.  Instead he blows $50 mil on a closer who is (a) useless if you don't have a team that has the lead heading into the 9th, and (b) was already showing some signs of breaking down before signing him.