2013-14 Phillies Offseason Thread

[MDS]

i think the idea is they want to trade HOF for pitching, trade papeldouche to clear up space, then use the remaining money on bullpen parts and a bat

remember that they like cesar hernandez and cody asche can play the outfield (fraco would play 3rd). plus the entire offense is on ryan howard who needs to produce or else. RUBEN AMARO EVERYONE.

[Geowhizzer]

Halladay's final totals:

205-103, 3.38 ERA, 2117 K, 67 CG, 20 shutouts
3-2, 2.37 in the playoffs
2 Cy Young Awards (2003, 2010)
3X 20-win seasons (2003, 2008, 2010), and two more with 19 (8 with 15 or more)
1 Perfect Game
1 Post-season no-hitter


Is this enough for the HOF?

[ice grillin you]

no way

[MDS]

hell probably get in but he really shouldnt

sorry homers

[ice grillin you]

i know the hof is an individual award but hes the perfect example of a great player who isnt quite great enough but maybe could be argued in if he had a couple rings

[MDS]

there is something to be said about him playing most of his career in the al east on a bad team, though.

but i specifically remember one game he pitched on toronto. against boston, day after the sox clinched a playoff spot or something. they put a AAA lineup out there. i lost my fantasy playoff game because of it. farg you doc.

[ice grillin you]

yeah def....to me him and schilling are kinda in the same boat except of course schillings legendary postseason/championship status will be what ultimately puts him in if he makes it

[MDS]

people want jack morris in because of one game

im sure doc will get in too

[Geowhizzer]

To me, it shows how hard it is for pitchers to get to that level in the modern game.  Halladay was pretty universally recognized as the best pitcher in the majors for about a 10 year period (2002-2011) where he averaged 17 wins a year (and that included one injury-riddled year in 2004) with a sub-3.00 ERA.  But that sudden stop in 2011, whether from age (35 that year) or injury or a combination, to me left him short of the career numbers he needed.  I just don't think he did it long enough.

[ice grillin you]

To me, it shows how hard it is for pitchers to get to that level in the modern game.  Halladay was pretty universally recognized as the best pitcher in the majors for about a 10 year period (2002-2011) where he averaged 17 wins a year (and that included one injury-riddled year in 2004) with a sub-3.00 ERA.  But that sudden stop in 2011, whether from age (35 that year) or injury or a combination, to me left him short of the career numbers he needed.  I just don't think he did it long enough.

thats why i think even one ring would do wonders for him

ftr busta buss and kirkjen both emphatically said today he was a no brainer hof....busta even said he be a first ballot guy for him

overall i tend to have a much higher standard than most writers but to put him on a first ballott is ridiculous

[Geowhizzer]

A mildly interesting, but mostly irrelevant stat from baseball-reference:

Roy Halladay's 162-game career average:  17-9, 3.38
Sandy Koufax's 162-game career average:  16-8, 2.76
Steve Carlton's 162-game career average:  15-11, 3.22
Roger Clemens' 162-game career average:  17-9, 3.12

Unlike Carlton and Clemens, Halladay just couldn't keep up the momentum once his injury happened.  And unlike Koufax, he didn't have three years of 25+ wins, 4 no-hitters and 3 rings.

[ice grillin you]

roob is on mlb network right now and is as sickening as ever

[Sgt PSN]

I think Doc goes in. Probably not 1st ballot, but there's really no disputing that he was the best pitcher in the game for a decade, even though some guys had better years, there aren't any who were as good for as long as Doc was.

Aside from the fact that he mostly played on bad Toronto teams, something else to consider is that he played at the height of the steroids era and while most ERAs were going up, his stayed down. 

[MDS]

roob is on mlb network right now and is as sickening as ever

cliffs notes

[Eagles_Legendz]

Loved Halladay.  Sad that his arm went as quickly as it did.  I know he threw tons of pitches but I figured he was a good candidate to age well since he didn't rely on overpowering velocity.