2013 Training Camp/Preseason Thread

[Eagles_Legendz]

Duce was awesome but not as good as the other two.  I'm not ready to say Shady is better than BWest but his ceiling is higher.

[Rome]

I'm ready to say it.  Shady's got shakes like Barry.  Just give him the ball 25 times a game and when they get tired of running after him Brown can come in and pound it up their asses.  I'm actually giddy thinking about it.

[Munson]

BWest had decent moves too, but his was more about how fast his first step was. He couldn't go lateral like Shady can, but he could change directions 60 degrees either direction at top speed and just run right by guys/through arm tackles around his thighs.

[SD]

Shady and Bwest are about equal.

For Who For What

Duce

[ice grillin you]

i love preseason fans

[General_Failure]

Do you think Shady will thank McNabb in his HOF speech?

[Munson]

Igy--thinking people are judging Shady off of a preseason game since 2013

[ice grillin you]

Do you think Shady will thank McNabb in his HOF speech?

shady>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>36west>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>barry sanders

[QB Eagles]

In case any of you haven't been poring over all the Eagles information that has been in the media the past few weeks, Jimmy Kempski at philly.com but together a quick list of the players having the best and worst camps. He didn't evaluate the lines because that is somewhat worthless for an outsider to evaluate in no-pads, no-hitting situations.

Best: DeSean Jackson, LeSean McCoy, Jason Avant, Brandon Boykin, Mychal Kendricks
Honorable Mention: Connor Barwin, Patrick Chung, Chris Polk, Damaris Johnson, Greg Salas, Russell Shepard, Michael Vick, Nick Foles

Worst: Felix Jones, Brent Celek, Curtis Marsh, Kenny Phillips, Jamar Chaney
Dishonorable mention: Brandon Graham, Jordan Poyer, Everette Brown, Ifeanyi Momah

[SD]

Maybe he plays well in camp but I haven't noticed Barwin much on D. I rewatched the first half again, the LBs played a lot better. I'm still up in the air about Ryans.

What stood out compared to the Pats game: Gap control was a million times better. They weren't getting pushed out of their lanes. Ray Diddy was talking before the Panthers game that Davis was pissed because the players weren't playing within the system, they were doing whatever they wanted to. He specifically mentioned Graham. I noticed Graham played with the 2nd team D against the Panthers. They need to place him back at end, Cole too. They look out of place.

[BigEd76]

Kapadia's breakdown of the 4-TE package

[ice grillin you]

the 3 and 4 te sets are going to be even more effective when pimp is wide because it wont allow the safeties to come up...its another example of why he is so important and cant really be replaced

[SD]

Kapadia's breakdown of the 4-TE package

good stuff

I haven't seen much out of Casey yet.

[Don Ho]

In case any of you haven't been poring over all the Eagles information that has been in the media the past few weeks, Jimmy Kempski at philly.com but together a quick list of the players having the best and worst camps. He didn't evaluate the lines because that is somewhat worthless for an outsider to evaluate in no-pads, no-hitting situations.

Best: DeSean Jackson, LeSean McCoy, Jason Avant, Brandon Boykin, Mychal Kendricks
Honorable Mention: Connor Barwin, Patrick Chung, Chris Polk, Damaris Johnson, Greg Salas, Russell Shepard, Michael Vick, Nick Foles

Worst: Felix Jones, Brent Celek, Curtis Marsh, Kenny Phillips, Jamar Chaney
Dishonorable mention: Brandon Graham, Jordan Poyer, Everette Brown, Ifeanyi Momah

Salas 
Tom Selleck may be in trouble.  I'll miss those meaningless 2 yard reception first down celebrations.

[ice grillin you]

The Eagles' control of the line of scrimmage in Thursday's 14-9 win over the Panthers was impressive not just because of its stark contrast to their first preseason game, but also because of their opponent.

The Eagles' first-half offense averaged 7.4 yards per play against Carolina's top-10 defense, and the Panthers' pass rushing duo of Charles Johnson and Greg Hardy -- which combined for 22.5 sacks last season -- failed to pressure either Eagles quarterback.

Now just imagine this high-octane offense with Jason Peters at left tackle.

After missing all of last season with two Achilles tears, Peters was out for the Eagles' first two preseason games with a hamstring tweak suffered on July 31. On Saturday, he returned to the field in front of roughly 20,000 fans in the second-to-last open practice at the Linc.

"Yeah I'm suiting up this week," Peters told the Eagles' official site. "I'm going to go out there and get myself some good work against Jacksonville and get ready for Washington.

"I felt great. I could have played last week, but I'm just trying to make sure. I don't want to re-injure it then go into the season with it tweaked up. So I'm 100 percent ready to go."

Peters looked strong in O-line drills and moved well in 11-on-11s, even if it was just in shorts.

Michael Vick, who by CSNPhilly.com's unofficial tally took 74 percent of the first-team reps Saturday, lit up when asked about his returning lineman.

"I mean, he's a dynamite player," Vick said. "[With Peters] the left side is almost all taken care of. Guys have been doing a great job holding it down over there, but JP's a different animal."

A different animal indeed. Peters made five straight Pro Bowls from 2007-11 and was a first-team All Pro in 2011.

That year, the Eagles averaged 5.4 yards per carry when running off left tackle behind Peters. LeSean McCoy rushed for a career-high 1,309 yards, averaging 0.6 yards per carry more than he did during a nightmarish 2012.

If Peters can avoid further injury and Lane Johnson continues to develop, the Eagles' offensive line has a chance to be special. And even if Peters does go down again -- he's started 16 games just once in his nine-year career -- the Eagles feel they're well-stocked outside in pass and run protection. Backup left tackle Allen Barbre played well in place of Peters against New England and Carolina (see story).

"I think Allen has done a really nice job and I think when Dennis [Kelly] went down that was a big question for all of us -- 'Do we have another tackle?' I think Allen, to us, has really solidified his situation from a depth standpoint," head coach Chip Kelly said. "We knew he could play guard, but now to have a guy that's a guard/tackle guy ... sometimes you have seven guys active on game day. You're going to have to have somebody that's got some versatility and I think that's what we learned from him."

But the plan is to get Peters healthy and to use his 6-foot-4, 340-pound frame to shield Vick from attackers on his throwing side, and to create the tiny bit of space McCoy needs before deciding which move he'll use to make the first man miss.

"Even though you guys may not have seen it, we still made a good share of mistakes today," Vick said of the offense. "We're taking these next two days of training camp seriously and trying to get better in some things we need to put into the offense. But it's all about getting Jason back, getting him going and keeping things in order."