2011-2012 Sixers Thread

[ice grillin you]

its much harder to win than lose...effort is a big part of winning...see sacramento last night who mailed it in from the jump...tho it is fair to point out that the sixers have played some blowouts recently which dont strees you as much

regardless win lose whatever the sixers have played five games in six nights and the knicks have played one in three.....when talking about this years schedule thats about as big a discrepency as you are gonna see all year

in fact even with the sixers having to go thru this 5 in 6 stretch they still dont have what the knicks have right now (a one game in three days break) until february

[Rome]

its much harder to win than lose...

^ REAL TALK ^

[Eagles_Legendz]

pretty sure you're making a flawed statistical argument if you're saying what I think you are.  Obviously it is crazy hard to win all 3 games in a back to back to back situation.  But the Sixers already won the first two.  You can't look at it and say teams are 1-5 when playing all 3 because the first two events are done.  The better analysis is comparing teams who had back to back to back, won the first 2, and then had the 3rd game.  Your other comparison isn't as relevant.

It's sort of like saying the Eagles went 0-2 vs the Giants in the regular season, but it's really hard for a team to beat the same squad three times in a season so the Eagles should win.  You hear that bullshtein tons and it's literally flat wrong.  The team that won the first two has proven to actually have a better chance to win the 3rd game as well, but people look at the numbers wrong.  They do what you're doing and say "well it's hard to win all 3" which is not right.  The team has already won the first two.  So the comparison is whether teams who won the first 2 in the NBA in these scenarios pulled through and won the 3rd or whether they lost.

Basically what FF said.

[Eagles_Legendz]

And my point isn't that I'm disagreeing that this is a tough spot for the Sixers, just that the comparison if you want to do it accurately needs to be to other teams who are 2-0 going into the 3rd game in the back to back to back.  What you're doing is basically saying like Sarge's example, that the Lakers are 0-1 in your situation because they didn't sweep the back to back to back.  But that isn't a good comparison because the Lakers lost the first game.  Obviously it's much harder to win ALL 3 than it is to just win the last game after you've won the first 2 so you're comparison apples/oranges.

[ice grillin you]

when playing three consective nights teams rarely go 3-0.....does this make it easier?

[Dillen]

Last night a lot of the core guys got rest. Iggy, Thad and Lou all got only 20 minutes or so. Turner and Jrue were on the floor most of the game, but Jrue always seems to be near 40 minutes anyways and I don't think he's ever been tired in his life. Turner will get less minutes tonight as Lou, Iggy and Thad can pick him up. Like someone said, I think at this point the bigger issue is whether Hawes can play and contribute a decent amount. If he can't and Vucevic has to start, the front line gets a whole lot weaker (obviously) because then Brand has to play a majority of the game one way or the other. Despite having his best game of the year I don't think he was even around 30 minutes last night because I remember he sat out the entire 4th quarter. The game against Indiana he was in foul trouble and didn't have many minutes either. They really need Hawes so the other bigs don't get worn down so quickly, especially since they're against Stat and Chandler and likely to pick up a lot of fouls.

Clearly, playing 3 games in a row is tough. I think with this team and their current state, I don't think it's as big of a deal as it could've been.

[ice grillin you]

i dont think hawes matters nearly as much in a game like this because hes outclassed inside by a much better big man...you saw against indiana what happens when he has to face a quality inside presence and roy hibbert aint no amare or even tyson chandler...i dont mean at all to say that they dont need him because they absolutely do because of their lack of quality big men but i dont see him as a positive difference maker in this game

speaking of chandler he is a big addition for them tonight....last year at least hawes could step out and draw amare away from the basket on the offensive end of the court and that would allow the sixers to attack the rim from the wings as the knicks had nothing behind amare at the four or five...now tho they can put the much more mobile chandler out on spencer and have amare patrol the paint

of course the sixers would have a quickness mis match at the other end when chandler and amare are in the game at the same time and this is where the big chess match comes into play...its going to be really interesting to see whether collins goes small against amare and chandler and take the offensive advantage or does he go big and try to protect the boards

imo you go small and try to outscore the knicks as they arent very proficient on the defensive end of the court and chandler is a very guardable big man even with a smaller body as he doesnt have much of an offensive game

[MDS]

we need more nocioni

i need to some more of his secret eurotrash back tattoos

[ice grillin you]

cool little jaws interview...little known fact: doug collins gave him his famous nickname


http://www.nba.com/sixers/video/2012/01/10/120110jawsmov-1961731

[Hawk]

i dont think hawes matters nearly as much in a game like this because hes outclassed inside by a much better big man...you saw against indiana what happens when he has to face a quality inside presence and roy hibbert aint no amare or even tyson chandler...i dont mean at all to say that they dont need him because they absolutely do because of their lack of quality big men but i dont see him as a positive difference maker in this game

speaking of chandler he is a big addition for them tonight....last year at least hawes could step out and draw amare away from the basket on the offensive end of the court and tohat would allow the sixers to attack the rim from the wings as the knicks had nothing behind amare at the four or five...now tho they can put the much more mobile chandler out on spencer and have amare patrol the paint

of course the sixers would have a quickness mis match at the other end when chandler and amare are in the game at the same time and this is where the big chess match comes into play...its going to be really interesting to see whether collins goes small against amare and chandler and take the offensive advantage or does he go big and try to protect the boards

imo you go small and try to outscore the knicks as they arent very proficient on the defensive end of the court and chandler is a very guardable big man even with a smaller body as he doesnt have much of an offensive game

I don't get your point.  Hawes was playing limited because of his back.   Also Hibbert has much better footwork than Chandler on the offensive end.  The next season and future is heavily dependant on what Chandler they got.... Mavericks final Chandler or waiting on a trade hornets chandler

[ice grillin you]

I don't get your point. 

i am shocked

[Hawk]

Also, my favorite part of this early success is the people online and in real life who always point out bball sucks are now jumping on the wagon.

[ice grillin you]

normally id care but the sixers especially with new owners need all the support they can get...bring on the bandwagon

[Dillen]

i dont think hawes matters nearly as much in a game like this because hes outclassed inside by a much better big man...you saw against indiana what happens when he has to face a quality inside presence and roy hibbert aint no amare or even tyson chandler...i dont mean at all to say that they dont need him because they absolutely do because of their lack of quality big men but i dont see him as a positive difference maker in this game

imo you go small and try to outscore the knicks as they arent very proficient on the defensive end of the court and chandler is a very guardable big man even with a smaller body as he doesnt have much of an offensive game

I wasn't saying Hawes would have a huge positive impact, just that they need more quality bodies tonight. If Hawes is out the only useful big men are Brand and Vucevic. So either they're both getting around 30 minutes, or you play small and have Thad at the 4 for most of the game.

Agreed on your second point. I watch as many Knicks games as anybody and they just don't play defense. They might have one of the best scorers in the league in Melo and one of the better big men in Stat, but in all the games I've seen it seems those two need to combine for at least 60 for the Knicks to have a chance against a real team. With the way the Sixers have been playing defense I'm pretty confident they'd make the important stops.

[Hawk]

I think it's important for Hawes to play.   Amare will have to guard one of Hawes or Brand and Brand showed last night he can still knock down the open jumper.   Iguodala can hopefully limit Melo and the depth will take care of the rest.