Ryan Harris, Philadelphia Eagle

SunMo · August 31, 2011, 01:53:47 PM

yeah, back to a house with no handicap ramps in no time

General_Failure · August 31, 2011, 02:10:49 PM

A 20 minute walk really does take no time at all.

Sgt PSN · August 31, 2011, 02:37:55 PM

I knocked one out the other day in about 12 minutes.

Feva · August 31, 2011, 03:00:55 PM

Quote from: ice grillin you on August 31, 2011, 07:49:19 AM
its ironic because andy has always prided himself in the OL and the depth of the unit benefitted the eagles many times over the years....now when they are all set up to make a honest to goodness SB run they dont even have a good starting unit

and god forbid they have any injuries on the line this year as the second unit is a straight up travesty

Yep... that's what keeps bugging me too. All these shiny new toys ain't gonna mean shtein in the end without a competent o-line. Too many times in the past, Andy has gone into the season with a huge glaring hole on the team. Punt returner, RCB... this year, it's the o-line that's going to be the part of the team that drags everything down.

ice grillin you · August 31, 2011, 04:07:36 PM

Quote from: Feva on August 31, 2011, 03:00:55 PM
Too many times in the past, Andy has gone into the season with a huge glaring hole on the team.

the one difference with the other times tho was that the year prior the hole wasnt there...in this case the line was terrible last year and wasnt imporved in any tangible way...you have to think andy is banking on vicks escapism again and figures with the best running qb of all time he can have a zesty line

on the positive side re: the hole this year is that at least they have two young guys who could improve and by seasons end maybe their line will be much improved...when they had no PR it wasnt like reno mahe was all of a sudden gonna be a player come week 9

as i mentioned the other day the early season schedule really helps them...best case scenario is get to the bye week at 5-1 hope watkins and kelce have grown up the line has meshed and they are ready to go coming out of what should be a training camp type bye week where they are teaching and people are learning

Drunkmasterflex · August 31, 2011, 04:17:24 PM

I also think he thought hiring Howard Mudd would automatically make the line better. And maybe in a normal year that would be the case. Hopefully like you said they develop midway through the season.

Sgt PSN · August 31, 2011, 04:38:09 PM

Quote from: ice grillin you on August 31, 2011, 04:07:36 PM
Quote from: Feva on August 31, 2011, 03:00:55 PM
Too many times in the past, Andy has gone into the season with a huge glaring hole on the team.

the one difference with the other times tho was that the year prior the hole wasnt there

The receiving corps from 1999-2003 disagrees.

Hawk · August 31, 2011, 04:45:19 PM

To be honest, how were they going to improve the o-line this offseason?? There wasn't really any major names on the market, so their hands were kind of tied. Hopefully the fireman turns out to be a player, and our oline is a bit better this year.

shorebird · August 31, 2011, 04:46:35 PM

Quote from: Feva on August 31, 2011, 03:00:55 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 31, 2011, 07:49:19 AM
its ironic because andy has always prided himself in the OL and the depth of the unit benefitted the eagles many times over the years....now when they are all set up to make a honest to goodness SB run they dont even have a good starting unit

and god forbid they have any injuries on the line this year as the second unit is a straight up travesty

Yep... that's what keeps bugging me too. All these shiny new toys ain't gonna mean shtein in the end without a competent o-line. Too many times in the past, Andy has gone into the season with a huge glaring hole on the team. Punt returner, RCB... this year, it's the o-line that's going to be the part of the team that drags everything down.

I'm just hoping that they aren't so bad that Vick gets hurt because they can't protect him.

Tomahawk · August 31, 2011, 04:53:50 PM

Quote from: ice grillin you on August 31, 2011, 04:07:36 PM
Quote from: Feva on August 31, 2011, 03:00:55 PM
Too many times in the past, Andy has gone into the season with a huge glaring hole on the team.

the one difference with the other times tho was that the year prior the hole wasnt there...in this case the line was terrible last year and wasnt imporved in any tangible way...you have to think andy is banking on vicks escapism again and figures with the best running qb of all time he can have a zesty line

on the positive side re: the hole this year is that at least they have two young guys who could improve and by seasons end maybe their line will be much improved...when they had no PR it wasnt like reno mahe was all of a sudden gonna be a player come week 9

as i mentioned the other day the early season schedule really helps them...best case scenario is get to the bye week at 5-1 hope watkins and kelce have grown up the line has meshed and they are ready to go coming out of what should be a training camp type bye week where they are teaching and people are learning

Not necessarily arguing against 5-1, but I'll moneyback guarantee you the Eagles lose Week1.

Quote from: Hawk on August 31, 2011, 04:45:19 PM
To be honest, how were they going to improve the o-line this offseason?? There wasn't really any major names on the market, so their hands were kind of tied. Hopefully the fireman turns out to be a player, and our oline is a bit better this year.

I'm not sure what qualifies as major names, but there were certainly players available that would have been upgrades

ice grillin you · August 31, 2011, 07:38:56 PM

5-1 is best case

4-2 would be perfectly acceptable

Quote from: Sgt PSN on August 31, 2011, 04:38:09 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 31, 2011, 04:07:36 PM
Quote from: Feva on August 31, 2011, 03:00:55 PM
Too many times in the past, Andy has gone into the season with a huge glaring hole on the team.

the one difference with the other times tho was that the year prior the hole wasnt there

The receiving corps from 1999-2003 disagrees.

im not arguing the wr didnt suck but you can win with weak wr because they are a part of a much larger whole where as the entire offense is dependant on the OL.....imo you can have weak wr's but you cant really have a hole at that spot if that makes sense...and a positon like PR is on an island by themselves and has a monster downside in turnovers...certainly with a vick you can somewhat overcome a terrible offensive line which is what andy i guess is counting on...however if anyone but vick is qb last year they are 6-10 because of the line...they were never 6-10 from 2000-2004

Feva · September 01, 2011, 10:53:17 PM

Quote from: Hawk on August 31, 2011, 04:45:19 PM
To be honest, how were they going to improve the o-line this offseason?? There wasn't really any major names on the market, so their hands were kind of tied. Hopefully the fireman turns out to be a player, and our oline is a bit better this year.

They reportedly went after Doug Free who would have been arguably a bigger addition than Assy. Free would have drastically upgraded RT from last year and also would have allowed Herremans to stay at LG.