Dead in 2011

[SunMo]

you could always drive if you don't want to obey the rules

That's a MA response.

No, you can't just drive it you don't want to be xrayed. People have to travel for business. And once again, it should not be a rule to have your body scanned to get on a farging airplane. What's next? Have someone have you squat and cough and get a full cavity search? All in the name of the rules and security, right?

Bullshtein - it is a violation of the 4th amendment.

And what if you want to go on vacation - should you just buck up and go along with the sheep/system and hop in the machines? Just to get on a plane?

If you have no issue with losing your privacy and freedom just to get on a plane - cool. I hope you enjoy it. But I don't. I don't get too wound up about things but this is one. I find it ridiculous that the US government forces its citizens to be seen naked just to travel around the country.

I should not have to drive (or not go) 24 hours to go home and visit rather than fly 3 hours because I don't want to be xrayed to get on a plane.

it's not a MA response.  it's my opinion.  flying is not a right guaranteed to you by the Constitution.  there are rules that you need to follow in order to fly.  same as driving, just less restrictive. 

now, the subject of whether or not these rules are actually effective is a different conversation.

[PhillyPhreak54]

you could always drive if you don't want to obey the rules

That's a MA response.

No, you can't just drive it you don't want to be xrayed. People have to travel for business. And once again, it should not be a rule to have your body scanned to get on a farging airplane. What's next? Have someone have you squat and cough and get a full cavity search? All in the name of the rules and security, right?

Bullshtein - it is a violation of the 4th amendment.

And what if you want to go on vacation - should you just buck up and go along with the sheep/system and hop in the machines? Just to get on a plane?

If you have no issue with losing your privacy and freedom just to get on a plane - cool. I hope you enjoy it. But I don't. I don't get too wound up about things but this is one. I find it ridiculous that the US government forces its citizens to be seen naked just to travel around the country.

I should not have to drive (or not go) 24 hours to go home and visit rather than fly 3 hours because I don't want to be xrayed to get on a plane.

it's not a MA response.  it's my opinion.  flying is not a right guaranteed to you by the Constitution.  there are rules that you need to follow in order to fly.  same as driving, just less restrictive. 

now, the subject of whether or not these rules are actually effective is a different conversation.

And the main rule, that you must submit your body for an examination by some slacker or that you must be xrayed and looked at naked by some high school dropout, is unconstitutional. The TSA is a reactionary agency and the justification to do such things is non-existent.

I had no problem with the metal detectors and extra screening being a hand wand. I have a major problem with the government needing to see inside my body in order to get on an airplane. If you do not submit to some kind of invasive screening then you don't fly; what if your livelihood relies on traveling? What happens then?

[Diomedes]

tough shtein, get a new job

since when do your supposed rights trump government power

what country do you think this is anyway

[PhillyPhreak54]

tough shtein, get a new job

since when do your supposed rights trump government power

what country do you think this is anyway

No not tough shtein get a new job - a lot of people have to commute for work.

This is a country where you should not have to have your farging body searched to get on a farging airplane. This isn't soviet Russia or North Korea.

[Sgt PSN]

it's not a MA response.  it's my opinion.  flying is not a right guaranteed to you by the Constitution.  there are rules that you need to follow in order to fly.  same as driving, just less restrictive.

Your opinion is kind of MA.  Flying doesn't have to be guaranteed by the Constitution (Bill of Rights, actually), but protection from illegal search and seizure is.  There is less invasive screening to go visit the White House or Congress.  Not to mention that there are plenty of things we do that are not specifically protected by the Bill of Rights.  Going to the grocery store.  Telephone conversations.  Using computers or the internet.  But I don't have to get felt up when I get my groceries and the gov't isn't allowed to tap my phone without probable cause. 

The freedoms protected by the BOR are applicable to everything that we do as Americans.  Be it flying, driving, walking, riding a bike, shopping, talking on the phone, etc, etc. 

now, the subject of whether or not these rules are actually effective is a different conversation.

This is true. 

[SunMo]

It's so illegal that in our litigious bitchy society no one has sued over it.

[Sgt PSN]

No one would win a lawsuit over it, and that doesn't have a thing to do with right or wrong, but trying to convince a judge and/or jury that the feds have overstepped their bounds is a pretty tall order, especially in this case.  Besides, more people than not are happy to have their privacy violated because they are scared of hijackers and shoe bombs.   

I still fly.  I go through the xray when given the option.  But that's because I know I'm clean and I prefer to get it over with as quickly as possible.  But I also don't have a problem with anyone who protests these ridiculous screening processes at the airports now.  Perhaps if TSA were better organized, trained and operated more efficiently, I'd bitch even less.  Maybe other people would too. 

[DH]

Just to give some perspective, the level of invasive security I have to go through every single day to get inside the gates at West Point is nowhere near the level of the invasive security TSA puts its customers through. And the security at the gates here are military police (most of which have served multiple tours), who each are each required to carry. THAT is the way TSA should be.   

[phattymatty]

people that get upset about this have small pee pees. who cares if some rando sees your dong?

[DH]

now thats just not true..ill be in dc next week if you want proof

[reese125]

people that get upset about this have small pee pees. who cares if some rando sees your dong?

the kicker: your farging clothes are on too.

you should be proud people are finally going the extra mile to ensure your safety enclosed 35,000 ft in the air, and leave your insecurities about your body (the real issue) and about Kirk the high school dropout at your front door.

stunned people can pump their amendment rights fists with all the shtein that has gone down.

[phattymatty]

i like to wear baggy basketball shorts and swing it like a helicopter as i walk through.

[rjs246]

stunned people can pump their amendment rights fists with all the shtein that has gone down.

So we should all just curl up into little balls and let the government molest us and spy on us and utterly abandon personal liberties because people don't like us? farg that. You could die on your way to the grocery store or in child birth or get struck by lightning. Fear of death is a useless enterprise and giving up our basic liberties while empowering the government to infringe on our personal lives in a fruitless attempt to keep bad things from ever happening is the definition of stupidity. Of course people have problems with it. What's amazing is that there are people like you who apparently don't have any problem with it.

[reese125]

i like to wear baggy basketball shorts and swing it like a helicopter as i walk through.

I like to stroll through with my meatcicle between my legs to really freak Kirk out.

[reese125]

stunned people can pump their amendment rights fists with all the shtein that has gone down.

So we should all just curl up into little balls and let the government molest us and spy on us and utterly abandon personal liberties because people don't like us? farg that. You could die on your way to the grocery store or in child birth or get struck by lightning. Fear of death is a useless enterprise and giving up our basic liberties while empowering the government to infringe on our personal lives in a fruitless attempt to keep bad things from ever happening is the definition of stupidity. Of course people have problems with it. What's amazing is that there are people like you who apparently don't have any problem with it.

listen rj--you can spice up the fear of death definition all you want, but if the US is in a war with terrorists, and they have an infatuation with bombing planes it makes perfect sense use this kind of screening to ensure the safety of the 95% of americans that disagree with you.

majority rules.