2010/11 Phillies Offseason Thread

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

That really all depends if Utley is healthy. If he's playing but battling injuries as he was last year and will be this year, Lee/Valdez/Francisco is the winner with ease. If Utley hits .300/25/95 and plays 145+ games, it's much closer.

Francisco will never be as good as Werth, but I expect him to be slightly better as a regular player than he was as a role player. So, I see it like this:

Lee gets you about 6-7 more wins this season than Kendrick would.
Francisco gets you about 3-4 wins fewer this season than Werth would.

The Utley/Valdez thing is a wash if Utley is a gimp and is huge if Utley is healthy.

[Sgt PSN]

You've got Utley in one line up but not the other......as if not signing Lee and keeping Werth would have had an impact on Grit's knee.   

you are over thinking it...utley is in one lineup and not the other because he was in the lineup last year and may not be this year

its a completely hypothetical sports conversation piece that i brought up with some friends this weekend

it basically comes down to would you rather have utley werth and kendrick or lee valdez and francisco

Yeah, I missed where you explained that you're asking if we'd prefer last year's roster w/Oswalt for an entire year or this year's roster.  I'd still probably go with the current group though.  This is an absolutely epic pitching staff and you just don't turn away those type of arms.  Like I said, even without Utley and Werth, the Phillies still have plenty of bats in their lineup.  They are down to just one legit power guy, but they've still got speed and some good contact hitters in Vic, Polanco and Chooch.  These guys are going to have to learn to play small ball and Cholly's going to have to emphasize that because they can't out slug everyone and try to win every game with one or 2 big innings.  This is where letting Davey Lopes go is really going to hurt because now more than ever, they could really use his coaching at first to get the running game going. 

[Rome]

Getting on base more often would be nice in the case of Rollins & Victorino.  That's more of a key than increasing the SB totals.

[ice grillin you]

i think the scariest thing about werth being gone and utley possibly being out long term is that choke could have an incredibly bad year...he is now surrounded now by junk...and he isnt a guy thats going to go out and find pitches to hit...he needs fastballs and stuff close to the plate to succeed and without that other pop around him in the lineup he aint gonna get that

[BigEd76]

doc had an efficient day against the Yanks....6 shutout innings, about 60 pitches total (including one inning where he only threw 3 pitches)

[Don Ho]

Todays game against the Yankees will be on MLB Network at 7 EST (delayed of course).

[Sgt PSN]

I hope Doc pitches well.  I'm predicting 6 innings of shutout ball on about 60 pitches including a 3 pitch inning. 

[ice grillin you]

great angelo interview with roob

brought up the davey lopes incident that j referenced the other day...roob basically said yes davey was right...and grit had the same thing then as now pateller tendinitis....the difference being that in the past it has gone away after a while and now it isnt

then he asked if davys comments at all lead to him leaving...roob said emphatically no...that he left to be closer to home...he did mention contract and money in passing

in general he said they are "very concerned" with grits knee...didnt come out and say it but sounds like to me hes gonna have surgery

werth and utley being gone is a "great concern"....hopefully pitching and defense will carry them

halladay was there at 445 this morning when the morning show crew was setting up...he was running the stadium steps

they are not trying to change HOF browns swing...they actually want him to go back to how he was swinging in AA and AAA last year...when he got to the majors his hands came up

says they probably shoudlnt have kept HOF brown up lasy year but felt like they had to because dobbs was so bad

defratus was sent down this morning

said theres some south philly guys who would beat angelo down for drinking smirnoff ice and that he basically would like to bang angelos wife

[smeags]

no doubt the offense is going to take a step back. still i am pumped to watch these four guys pitch every game and then get hrough blanton's starts as well. i appreciate great pitching and the potential here is off the charts. the team has to play sound defense and you just hope the offense can score enough for these guys.

didn't think i could be anymore excited for the season but after hearing about halladay being there at 4:45am today it gets me even more ready.

edit - just put in for these games for my companies block of tix. april 2, 5, 15, 29 - may 7, 21. should get 1/2 of those. waiting for june & july dates to come out.

[Rome]

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=6209489

Somewhere in Houston Jay is pounding his fists bloody over this.

[Sgt PSN]

I don't see why. Rube is smug as shtein, but there's no denying that he's made some great moves since taking over.

[Rome]

Jay react badly over his most hated sports figure being re-upped for four more years?

No way.

[Sgt PSN]

I get not liking the guy but I really don't get why he would be #1 on anyones hate list when he's only been on the job a couple of years and hasn't made any moves that you can totally hate on. Even the Lee trade last year basically resulted in Doc and Oswalt. No way would the Eagles pull off a deal like Oswalt, instead they'd sell us the same old same old and try and convince us that they made the right move.

[Don Ho]

Exactly, the birds have made one bold move in the past 15+ years and Amaro's given us Lee, Halladay, Oswalt, and Lee again in 3 years.  Works for me.

[Rome]

You guys realize I'm kidding right?