2010/11 Phillies Offseason Thread

[Munson]

I get the feeling Chase Utley was probably doing some sort of work out regiment that included plyometric running drills during the offseason...so either he was hiding an injury during the offseason while working out, or it was something that happened in camp.

[Don Ho]

CF will kick any other MBs ass.

"I've been working out.  I'm huge."

[ice grillin you]

which would you rather have this season...im not saying option B was even a possibility or that they should have kept werth but hypothetically which starting roster would you rather have for this season

A

rollins
victorino
francisco
choke
ibanez
polanco
chooch
valdez

halladay
lee
hamels
oswalt
blanton


B

rollins
victorino
utley
choke
werth
ibanez
polanco
chooch

halladay
hamels
oswalt
blanton
kendrick

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

Whichever one you'd prefer, I hate. And I'm ready to argue about it for no reason.

[SD]

Just curious and maybe I missed something but why did you leave Utley out of option A but include him option B? Regardless I'll take an ace over a right fielder any day of the week. Bats in the playoffs have little to do with stats and regular season stuff and everything to do with timely hits and hitting in the clutch. It's why the Phils won it in '08 and why the Giants won it last season. Worrying about that stuff now is ridiculous.

[SunMo]

I pick A

The reason is they have a replacement for Werth in house with Brown.  If you would have stayed with option B you would have Werth long-term but he would be blocking Brown.  I guess Brown could have been used to replace Ibanez next year, but he' a right fielder at this time and hasn't played any left other than a handful of games.  After this year in option B, you would lose Oswalt and be left with just Halladay and Hamels as your studs, which is still better than most teams.  But, in option A you have Brown in right, the three studs for years to come and you can sign a left fielder.

[SunMo]

Charlie is officially signed to a 2-year extension

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

That frees up Ryne Sandberg to be the 2B of the future.

[ice grillin you]

Just curious and maybe I missed something but why did you leave Utley out of option A but include him option B? Regardless I'll take an ace over a right fielder any day of the week. Bats in the playoffs have little to do with stats and regular season stuff and everything to do with timely hits and hitting in the clutch. It's why the Phils won it in '08 and why the Giants won it last season. Worrying about that stuff now is ridiculous.

A = this years team assuming utely is out for all/most of the year or plays and is ineffective

B = basically last years team for a whole season this year

I pick A

The reason is they have a replacement for Werth in house with Brown.  If you would have stayed with option B you would have Werth long-term but he would be blocking Brown.  I guess Brown could have been used to replace Ibanez next year, but he' a right fielder at this time and hasn't played any left other than a handful of games.  After this year in option B, you would lose Oswalt and be left with just Halladay and Hamels as your studs, which is still better than most teams.  But, in option A you have Brown in right, the three studs for years to come and you can sign a left fielder.

i was more or less talking about just for this year....since they have to win the world series...which one gives them the better chance

i like B because in the playoffs you are going to run into good pitching everywhere...so what can seperate you is the lineup...and that garbage in A is scary bad...plus you dont need four pitchers in the postseason

altho that is assuming you think they are going to make the playoffs no matter what....if you dont then you might take A because lee vs kendrick over a full season is a huge difference that you might wanna use to give you a better chance at making the playoffs...and then once you get in your thinking is that anything can happen

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

in the playoffs you are going to run into good pitching everywhere...so what can seperate you is the lineup

Right, that's exactly how the Giants won it all last year. Their pitching was just about as good as the other teams', but the lineup... THAT was something amazing. Very hard to pitch to Aubrey Huff when you know Cody Ross and Juan Uribe are up next.

[ice grillin you]

in the playoffs you are going to run into good pitching everywhere...so what can seperate you is the lineup

Right, that's exactly how the Giants won it all last year. Their pitching was just about as good as the other teams', but the lineup... THAT was something amazing. Very hard to pitch to Aubrey Huff when you know Cody Ross and Juan Uribe are up next.

right and if the phillies lineup isnt complete garbage they win that series

the pitching was generally a wash...the giants out hit the phillies tho and thats why they won

[SD]

On paper who has the better lineup the Phillies or the Giants?

[ice grillin you]

On paper who has the better lineup the Phillies or the Giants?

if you go with lineup A above probably slight edge to the phils....but they had a better lineup last year than this and last year failed them

and god forbid you start comparing the phils lineup to other contenders in the majors

[Sgt PSN]

which would you rather have this season...im not saying option B was even a possibility or that they should have kept werth but hypothetically which starting roster would you rather have for this season

A

rollins
victorino
francisco
choke
ibanez
polanco
chooch
valdez

halladay
lee
hamels
oswalt
blanton


B

rollins
victorino
utley
choke
werth
ibanez
polanco
chooch

halladay
hamels
oswalt
blanton
kendrick

You've got Utley in one line up but not the other......as if not signing Lee and keeping Werth would have had an impact on Grit's knee. 

Obviously with Utley hurting, you look at the lineup and wish they kept Werth because no they are down 2 bats instead of 1.  Still, I"ll take the current group over last year's.  You can never have enough good pitching.  Not to mention the fact that the Phillies had about the deepest lineup 1-8 in the NL.  We look at the loss of Werth and Utley and think that the lineup is just terrible when infact, it's probably on par with most other lineups in the league.   

[ice grillin you]

You've got Utley in one line up but not the other......as if not signing Lee and keeping Werth would have had an impact on Grit's knee.    

you are over thinking it...utley is in one lineup and not the other because he was in the lineup last year and may not be this year

its a completely hypothetical sports conversation piece that i brought up with some friends this weekend

it basically comes down to would you rather have utley werth and kendrick or lee valdez and francisco