2009-10 Flyers Season Thread

[smeags]

overall, i'm not real confident with Holgren.  he has no ability to manage the cap and gives everybody with a long contract a NMC.

which is a big reason why i say you look into trading carter. where will they be cap wise after 2010-2011 when his contract is up ? does anyone have info on that ?

will carter's demands exceed what they can afford ? do the flyers get comp picks if they just let him walk ? not sure of the ngl structure when it comes to that. 

[MDS]

its all okay! high ratings!

The deciding game of the 2010 Stanley Cup Finals drew the largest NHL overnight in 36 years.

The Blackhawks' championship-clinching Game 6 win over the Flyers drew a 5.8/10 overnight rating on NBC Wednesday night, up 42% from Red Wings/Penguins Game 6 last year (4.1), up 32% from Red Wings/Penguins Game 6 in '08 (4.4), and up 164% from Hurricanes/Oilers Game 6 in '06 (2.2).

The overnight peaked at an 8.0/14 from 11-11:15 PM ET.

Last year's Game 6 aired on a Tuesday night opposite the NBA Finals, Game 6 in 2008 aired on a Wednesday night and was the clinching game of the series, and Game 6 in 2006 aired on a Saturday night.

The 5.8 overnight is the highest ever for an NHL game on NBC, and is tied with Mighty Ducks/Devils Game 7 in '03 as the highest for any NHL game since Bruins/Flyers Game 6 in '74 (7.6). For perspective, last year's Penguins/Red Wings Game 7 drew a 5.0 overnight.

Overall, three of the four Blackhawks/Flyers telecasts on NBC drew at least a 4.0 overnight rating. To put that in perspective, only five previous telecasts on the network hit that mark.

The Blackhawks' coronation drew a 32.8/50 in Chicago, the highest of the series. In Philadelphia, the game drew a 26.8/38.

Buffalo was the top neutral market (13.5/20), while Indianapolis (6.3/10) was the top non-NHL market.

Final ratings for the three Stanley Cup Final games on NBC this year have declined between 18% and 20% from the overnight, putting Wednesday's game on pace to finish in the 4.7-4.9 range.

[The BIGSTUD]

Instead of trading Carter for a goalie, I would see if any team out there would be willing to swap a young goal scorer for one of the same in Carter. Simply because I agree Carter has no heart and if we could get close to what Carter gives you scoring-wise with someone who actually has heart, then I'm cool with it. Then I'd see if Hartnell or JVR could be dealt for a goalie. Just not a JVR fan and I don't ever see him becoming special.

But I agree that you don't just lose Carter's goal scoring in the move for a goalie that most likely wouldn't be some superstar goalie. If you could get one then fine, but you aren't going to.

One of the Flyers beat writers called WIP and thinks the Flyers will go after one of the Kings' young goalies. I'm not sure how I feel about them, but I do know that trading for Price would be a horrible move. He blows and lets up a ton of soft goals himself.

[phattymatty]

this chick is the worst...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7t7k-EOpwZw

[Rome]

if Carter can get you an upper tier goalie, i do it.

I agree completely.  He's a good player and he's got exactly the sort of salary that would lend itself to getting a legit goalie in return.

[ice grillin you]

if Carter can get you an upper tier goalie, i do it.

I agree completely.  He's a good player and he's got exactly the sort of salary that would lend itself to getting a legit goalie in return.

his salary is irrelevant as hes a free agent after next season...and in the nhl no one knows what a 'legit' goalie is...cam ward and annti neimmi are stanley cup goalies...a goalie can win a cup one year and be a back up a year later...you wanna give up carters gola scoring for that?

plus name me the elite goalies in the nhl...with brodeur finished there really arent that many...and i can guarntee you jeff carter is not getting you one of the elites

[SD]

Ilya Bryzgalov, Ryan Miller, Roberto Luongo, Marc Andre Fleury off the top of my head are 'elite' guys. I'm talking regular season, of course. Like you said, great playoff goalies are a whole different breed.

Nabakov is a UFA, and the Flyers have a little flexibility with their cap. He's 33, but a huge upgrade over Leighton and anything else that's out there. Do you make the plunge if it means shipping Carter somewhere for picks?

[ice grillin you]

right and carter alone doesnt come even close to getting any of those guys

no way i do that...a young top goal scorer for an old goalie who isnt going to make this team a cup winner...and then when he doesnt hes just about done and carter is lost for the next ten years...if nabakov is 26 then yeah i would maybe do it...plus no matter how much you hate him i think you vastly underestimate what taking carters goals off this team would do...they certainly dont make the playoffs this year without him...im not saying they would tank or anything if you traded him but you seem to think that carter for nabakov would be a completely one sided deal with the flyers gaining eveything and losing nothing

also what i dont get is you want holmgren fired for putting together an inferior team yet you you think hes put together a lineup that is cup worthy for two years in a row...or you want him fired simply for not having a goalie in place?

[SD]

1. For not having a goalie in place
2. For trading away draft picks - I love Pronger and he's come as advertised but the mentality of trading away the future needs to end. Since he's been here he's traded something like 6 1st round picks in 3 years, that's absurd.
3. For mismanaging the cap. At a second glance they've actually got a bit of wiggle room but giving players NMC/NTC's was a stupid move on his part.

What's the difference if Nabakov is 33 or 26? They're in it to win it now, they'll always sacrifice the future for the present, so holding onto a mid 20's 40 goal scorer who shteins the bed come playoff time makes zero sense. Carter is going to command $6.5 million per once his deal is up so they should get what they can for him now. The seasons before this one when the Pens ousted us the biggest difference was MAF carried their team.

[ice grillin you]

1. For not having a goalie in place
2. For trading away draft picks - I love Pronger and he's come as advertised but the mentality of trading away the future needs to end. Since he's been here he's traded something like 6 1st round picks in 3 years, that's absurd.
3. For mismanaging the cap. At a second glance they've actually got a bit of wiggle room but giving players NMC/NTC's was a stupid move on his part.

What's the difference if Nabakov is 33 or 26? They're in it to win it now, they'll always sacrifice the future for the present, so holding onto a mid 20's 40 goal scorer who shteins the bed come playoff time makes zero sense. Carter is going to command $6.5 million per once his deal is up so they should get what they can for him now. The seasons before this one when the Pens ousted us the biggest difference was MAF carried their team.

if you think they are simply a goalie away from winning the cup next year then you believe this year was no fluke...and thus theres no possible way you could want the gm would built this team from scratch when they had the worst record in franchise history should be fired for making his team a bonafied cup contender for multiple years

i dont think they are a cup contender next year...which is why i would deal any and all veterans and keep the carters girouxs richards ect...and build back up from there via picks and fa's once the cap is down

[SD]

They're definitely one of the top 3 teams in the East, and they just came 2 games from winning the cup, and every loss was by 1 goal with the exception of game 5. To say they're at the very least not cup contenders is ridiculous. And Holmgren had 2 1st round picks (2nd overall) and like $25 million of cap space to work with. Lets not act like he took over a team that was terrible and had nothing to work with, then made some miraculous trades and draft picks to mold them into contenders.

[ice grillin you]

im not saying you cant think they are cup contenders for the second year in a row im saying its utter craziness that you would want the guy that made them that way fired...what the hell more would you want than being one of the very best teams in the nhl

[SD]

cap space
draft picks
a goalie who doesn't let in goals my daughter could stop

[ice grillin you]

who gives a crap about cap space when youre contending for the cup every year....now if you are talking about the sixers its different but the flyers made it to the cup this year and you believe they are a contender next year...how could you wanna fire the gm for not having enough cap space

draft picks same thing....id have any of my teams in any sport trade a bunch of picks to make a couple finals

goalie a fair argument but i dont think its a fireable offense after all the other positive moves hes made in the last couple years

[SD]

So you're onboard with keeping Holmgren? Honestly, after putting things in perspective I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. I mean, if they had missed the playoffs entirely I'd want him canned but the team showed some semblance of fortitude during their cup quest so I guess that earns him a pass.

One move I applaud him for that took balls was canning Stevens for Lavy. Initially my instincts told me he was just doing it to save his own ass but now that I reflect on it it was a bold and great move.