Michael Vick, Philadelphia Eagle

[Don Ho]

How do you know I'm not a 17yr old chick?

Catfish'd.

[ice grillin you]

does anyone else find it laughable that chipper said yesterday nick foles and michael vick will go into camp competing for the starting qb job...regardless of what you think of vick and i think its  ajoke that hes back but if hes going to run some version of his oregon read option how can you seriously have nick foles go into camp on equal footing with michael vick...could there be two more opposite types of qb

[Zanshin]

Of course. It makes no sense. You really need to pick one and then adjust the offense based on that set of skills...because there's really no overlapping skills between the two.

[Seabiscuit36]

Dual QB system!!

[PhillyPhanInDC]

I read it as giving Chip and crew using it to get more time to see what they are going to run. I think if Vick sees the field at all, it'll be because their plan in the draft or FA didn't go as planned and Foles doesn't show enough. Basically the dude is a stop gap like Hasselbeck was in Tennessee. My point is that just because he was restructured doesn't make him any more likely to be the opening day starter, or even on the squad by then. I can see Kelly setting up an offense that will work for either QB initially, I don't think it will be the read-option we saw from Oregon, Seattle, taterskins, etc very much at all in the first year.

I'm far to lazy to look at the deal, but what is the cap hit if they cut him before the season starts as opposed to the deal he had in place previously?

Of course. It makes no sense. You really need to pick one and then adjust the offense based on that set of skills...because there's really no overlapping skills between the two.

I think this opinion is somewhat tainted by the idea that Vick is still a very mobile QB, although his play showed he's clearly lost several steps. The offense last year didn't change drastically once Foles came in.

[Seabiscuit36]

Fire and ICE

[Zanshin]

I read it as giving Chip and crew using it to get more time to see what they are going to run. I think if Vick sees the field at all, it'll be because their plan in the draft or FA didn't go as planned and Foles doesn't show enough. Basically the dude is a stop gap like Hasselbeck was in Tennessee. My point is that just because he was restructured doesn't make him any more likely to be the opening day starter, or even on the squad by then. I can see Kelly setting up an offense that will work for either QB initially, I don't think it will be the read-option we saw from Oregon, Seattle, taterskins, etc very much at all in the first year.

I'm far to lazy to look at the deal, but what is the cap hit if they cut him before the season starts as opposed to the deal he had in place previously?

Of course. It makes no sense. You really need to pick one and then adjust the offense based on that set of skills...because there's really no overlapping skills between the two.

I think this opinion is somewhat tainted by the idea that Vick is still a very mobile QB, although his play showed he's clearly lost several steps. The offense last year didn't change drastically once Foles came in.

I disagree in that the O line appeared to play better, mostly because Foles got the ball out of his hands and could see over the line.  Vick is clearly the more willing to run of the two. But putting Vick in an offense that's designed to have the QB run might be great...for the one quarter it would take for him to get injured...

[ice grillin you]

foles needs to go....its ridiculous to keep both...i suppose vick makes some sense if you want to use him to get your offense implemented for a year before passing the baton to your future...at least that would acclmate the rest of the team to the offense that chipper is going to run...and it would be directed by a qb who at least on paper fits it nicely regardless of how bad he is on the field

if the read option or some variation is the future of this franchise then go with vick/dixon/manuel (or future qb)....foles has no business being on the team....trade him for something/anything

what is chipper thinking that he can put in his offense then when vick sucks scrap it all and put in a new ofense for foles?....it just doesnt work like that

[PhillyPhanInDC]

You can run the option without a running QB. It isn't mandatory.

[Zanshin]

That literally sounds like a crap option.

[ice grillin you]

they are going to run the option without the run option

sounds tricky

[PhillyPhanInDC]

lol. Go read up on the option offense - you are describing a read-option, where the design of play gives the QB the option to run based on a read. It's not the only way to run an option offense -merely a component of a larger system. You can run an option out of double and triple back sets, when using motion, and various other ways that do not have any design for the QB to run the ball.

[Munson]

Wouldn't mind FOles in the backfield with Shady on one side and Brown on the other...

[ice grillin you]

that might work against wyoming and new mexico state

its questionable whether the read option as is will work in the nfl....we will find out in a couple years as DC's adjust....a read option where the qb is no threat to run will never work in this league

[Sgt PSN]

they are going to run the option without the run option

sounds tricky

Not really.  It's tricky to rock a rhyme.  It's especially tricky to rock a rhyme that's right on time.  Running the option without the option sounds fairly simple by comparison.