Nadya "clowncar" Suleman

Diomedes · February 17, 2009, 10:24:40 AM

What a story. This welfare supported, mad science fueled mother of fourteen has boiled some strange shtein to the surface.

Some of the crap I've heard:

The state should seize the babies and adopt them out.
The state should cap how many children people can have. Or at least welfare mothers. Or at the very least single welfare mothers.
A woman cannot raise 14 children.

People are sending death threats to Suleman as well as the PR person who set up a site for her.

Conservatives are biting themselves raw: which family value is more fundamental, the sanctity of life or the hatred of welfare mothers?

Can you imagine the craziness we'd have on our hands if Suleman were black and uneducated instead of whit(ish) with a college degree?

What kind of limits can we really put on stuff like this? What about 60 year old women who have babies by science? Do you apply the same rules to men?

I can't agree with most of the shtein I've heard. Obviously this was some irresponsible shtein to pull. But Jesus Christ, I can't get behind the idea of the government taking this woman's children away.

PoopyfaceMcGee · February 17, 2009, 10:26:03 AM

I pretty much echo your thoughts on this. I have no idea who to blame or where they should go from here, but I do know the lady is bat shtein crazy.

Diomedes · February 17, 2009, 10:31:49 AM

It's amazing to me that it took this long for such a sensational dilemma of reproductive medicine and politics to occur. You'd think we'd have seen something like this by now given how long it's been possible.

Why are we celebrating John and Kate plus eight, and those repulsive Duggar fundies, but this woman gets scorn and death threats?

I have to say I'm enjoying all the self satisfied indignation and recriminations. This story is kind of like the Schiavo one, but a lot more complicated. It's bringing all kinds of idiocy out of the woodwork.

rjs246 · February 17, 2009, 10:38:02 AM

Can you even imagine what her stomach looks like now that it has been fully inflated and deflated so many times? 14 farging children. What a nightmare.

Geowhizzer · February 17, 2009, 10:45:37 AM

Quote from: rjs246 on February 17, 2009, 10:38:02 AM
Can you even imagine what her stomach looks like now that it has been fully inflated and deflated so many times? 14 farging children. What a nightmare.

14 children didn't use to be that unusual. Of course, in those families of a century-plus ago:

1. There was a husband present.
2. It didn't include eight at one time.

rjs246 · February 17, 2009, 10:48:05 AM

3. The economic situations didn't require two incomes to support TWO children, let alone 14, like they do now.

Geowhizzer · February 17, 2009, 10:50:14 AM

Quote from: rjs246 on February 17, 2009, 10:48:05 AM
3. The economic situation didn't require two incomes to support TWO children, let alone 14, like they do now.

Ain't that the truth! I'm not sure two even covers it nowadays.

rjs246 · February 17, 2009, 10:57:07 AM

That's what I find so remarkable about this. Finding the money to raise one or two children is daunting. If you factor in the cost of college it's downright terrifying. This pile of psycho is collecting welfare and pumping out children at an astronomical rate (fact), how is she going to feed and dress them, never mind get any of them an education? She won't and that's 14 more uneducated sacks of shtein running around, jamming up the airwaves with their texts.

OMG did u heer tht my mom had 8 more babies?! lol
LOL. UR crazy. Let go inhale glu and sleep w homeless guys.
lol. K. See u thr!

PhillyGirl · February 17, 2009, 10:58:31 AM

Look, I have no problem with large families.

HOWEVER, this single, broke, unemployed woman with 6 kids already (3 of them special needs kids...1 being autistic, 1 having ADHD and the other with a speech delay), who lives in squalor with her parents who PAY for those 6 kids already and had to file bankruptcy already because of it. Her father had to go to Iraq again to make more money for these 6 kids, let alone 8 more. She got $167,000 in disability settlement for the past 10 years. Used Most of it to get IVF and the rest of it to get plastic surgery. She gave NONE of it to her parents for taking care of her kids. Her mom didn't even KNOW about the settlement, for crying out loud. THIS woman...is sick and has no right getting IVF with 6 kids already...and having THAT many embryos transferred.

She is out getting manicures now with 6 kids who need her at home, 8 in the NICU and a house that is absolutely disgusting (food on the walls, sheets instead of curtains covering windows, etc).

She will be bringing 8 NICU preemies home who will need the home to be practically spotless clean because of breathing issues. Impossible in that house.

She said she expects to get money from doing a TV reality show or interviews. She asked for $2 million from Oprah to do an interview a couple of days after the birth.

So far, no takers.

I could go on and on but I have too much work to do. This story sickens me beyond belief. I feel so badly for all 14 of those children AND this selfish bitch's parents.

I DO feel that CPS needs to get involved because these children will be neglected. ANd those poor, POOR kids with disabilities who will not get the care or attention they so desperately need.

rjs246 · February 17, 2009, 11:02:43 AM

As soon as the government starts meddling with people's right/ability to reproduce we have officially crossed over from paranoid Big-Brother delusions into smack-you-in-the-face Big-Brother realities.

This woman is farged and her children are farged as a result, but there's nothing we can do about it other than mock her until she dies.

Diomedes · February 17, 2009, 11:05:50 AM

It cannot be disputed that Suleman is irresponsible.

But I'm not buying into the idea that the kids will automatically be deprived, turn out awful, etc. God knows there are private citizens out there who will happily help to support and raise the children. We have precedent for that on television for farg sake. Maybe Suleman and the village she'll attract can actually pull it off. Stranger things have happened. Hell, plenty of people have one child and royally farg it up...only we don't see it on teevee so we don't sick CPS on them.

Geowhizzer · February 17, 2009, 11:06:41 AM

I firmly believe that, unless there is an event or situation that warrants it, child services should absolutely NOT get involved.

If the government can justify that solely based on the numbers ("she shouldn't have had 14 children, so we have the responsibility to look after.. blah blah blah"), that puts us further down the road of government interference in families.

If evidence comes up that warrants investigation, then proceed with due diligence. But the government cannot interfere simply because people don't think she should have had a large family.

ice grillin you · February 17, 2009, 11:07:29 AM

until its proven that she cant care for all these kids people should just shut the farg up about it...this is btwn child services and the mother...rubber neckers and peanut gallery need not apply...

her fomer pr lady doing a one hour infomercial on larry king last night was sickening

ice grillin you · February 17, 2009, 11:10:18 AM

Quote from: Geowhizzer on February 17, 2009, 11:06:41 AM
I firmly believe that, unless there is an event or situation that warrants it, child services should absolutely NOT get involved.

i couldnt disagree more...regular check ins by child services is absolutely warranted in this case...you dont want them getting involved AFTER two of the kids are starved to death or sold into slavery...its situations like this that child service programs exist in the first place

Diomedes · February 17, 2009, 11:13:20 AM

I agree with vigy, there is already good reason for CPS to stay in touch with this family and make sure things aren't getting criminal. But I don't think Geo disagrees. I think he's saying that CPS doesn't have anything like grounds to remove the children from the family.