Eagles @ Cowboys Game Thread

[ice grillin you]

thats cause they see him play twice a year

and because cowboys fans are idiots as are people in texas in general


he shouldnt be trashed except when he deserves it but he also doesnt deserve unconditional love...he a very good but also a flawed qb

[General_Failure]

Well, since Peyton Manning isn't going to leave Indy anytime soon, you might want to get used to QBs with flaws.

[MDS]

i just did some lame research and came up with the 03 mnf game against the packers as the last time mcnabb led a winning 4th qtr drive.

the 06 game against tampa when bryant hit that fg might count, but all mcnabb did was throw a screen pass to westbrook and he took care of the rest.

before 03 mcnabb was usually pretty good, he had great drives against pitt in 00 and nyg in 01 in the clutch. but since that epic, epic fail in the superbowl, dude has been basically mike mcmahon in the 4th.

[Seabiscuit36]

He's had something like 14 4th quarter comebacks, but they rarely occur on the last and final drive

[reese125]

yeah I thought I saw 18 comebacks in his career come up on the screen

must of not been too memorable

[MDS]

theres a huge difference between being down 23-21 and driving your team down for 3 with 1300 to go and being down by 4 against dallas with 2 minutes left and needing 7.

[TexasEagle]

Listening to Cowboys fans around here and national media types/local radio hosts in DFW, San Antonio and Houston...

They all say the Eagles are a helluva team and they all love and respect McNabb.

Yeah, EVERYONE is impressed with the Eagles and the performance they put on. Despite the few delusional Dallas fans, most people know they (Dallas) were a fluke play away from really losing that game and that their D is suspect. But the Eagles opened a ton of eyes Monday night. I didn't even get crap from the Dallas fans here.

[Seabiscuit36]

I only caught crap from a Giants fan who thinks they are winning the SB again.

[PhillyPhreak54]

Listening to Cowboys fans around here and national media types/local radio hosts in DFW, San Antonio and Houston...

They all say the Eagles are a helluva team and they all love and respect McNabb.

Yeah, EVERYONE is impressed with the Eagles and the performance they put on. Despite the few delusional Dallas fans, most people know they (Dallas) were a fluke play away from really losing that game and that their D is suspect. But the Eagles opened a ton of eyes Monday night. I didn't even get crap from the Dallas fans here.

It was shocking. Because most of the time all I get is the general bullshtein.

But they are on notice because the Eagles showed cracks in their Cowboys armor. Everyone anointed the Boys as "The Team" and its apparent that the Birds will be in the hunt all year.

I love seeing Donovan back to being himself as far as being elusive in the pocket though. That is the biggest thing he needs to be effective.

[Don Ho]

He's had something like 14 4th quarter comebacks, but they rarely occur on the last and final drive

exactly.  i saw that stat on monday night about the 18 comebacks but i'm sure having a hard time recalling that many. 
i remember that first one against the skins back in 2000 (when the icehole used to run), Pittsburgh, G-Men a couple of times, the Packers in 03.  in a perfect world we'd be talking about that great drive with 00:55 left in the Super Bowl and he drove the birds down the field and hit pinkston in the corner of the..................shtein, and i'm not even drunk and i'm talking this way.  good god.

[Drunkmasterflex]

I will say it again, McNabb other than the last 3 years has been a pretty clutch regular season QB, most of you seem to forget that.

As far as the Cowboys fans, most of them aren't talking too much crap this week.  I have at least 10 of there fans in my company.  I was at the gym on Tuesday and this guy was beside me on the treadmill and said man the Cowboys own the Eagles.  I asked him "do you even watch football?"

[ice grillin you]

4th quarter comebacks could be the most meaningless stat this side of vorp

studs such as vinny testaverde drew bledsoe and jake plummer all have more 4Q comebacks than donovan

the real stat should be fourth quarter drives with less than five minutes to go to take the lead...even if you lose the game in these instances you should get credit...because those are the ones that really count

for example if a qb has a drive that results in a td with three minutes left then his defense gives up a subsequent game losing drive why should the qb be punished...also drives that late in the game are primarily passing drives....a drive with 11 minutes left that ends up beign the final score could often be credited to a running back who ran it 8 times down the field or one long run...and then the defense stopped the opponent for he rest of the game...i wouldnt exactly give a qb comeback credit there

[methdeez]

Mcnabb is good but he's no Kevin Colb.

[PhillyPhreak54]

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/sep/18/headhunting-honchos/

Too bad more hasn't been made of the latter. Too bad more attention hasn't been called to Dallas' dirty, reckless play, to the Cowboys' repeated tugging on Brian Westbrook's facemask. By my count, Westbrook's head swiveled around, dangerously, three times during the course of the evening. The officials caught two of them and assessed 15-yard penalties; the other, on the fourth play of the game, was a freebie.

If that had happened to a quarterback, we'd never hear the end of it. If it had been a QB whose neck was constantly contorted on national television, Roger Goodell would have had a conversation with the guilty parties - perhaps even flown them to New York for a face-to-face - and several wallets would have been lightened.

The commissioner also might have put the coach and defensive coordinator on notice, told them he'd be watching the Cowboys closely in the future to see whether they were using proper tackling technique. After all, three facemask-grabbings in one game is way too many, and having the same player on the receiving end of all three is ridiculous, almost mathematically impossible.

What a coincidence, too, that he's the Eagles' best offensive player, a back who led the league in yards from scrimmage last season (2,104) and gained 299 of those yards in two games against Dallas. It couldn't possibly be that the Cowboys' defensive coaches spent the week telling their players, "We have to be physical with this guy if we're going stop him. [Wink, wink.]" I mean, when has a football coach ever suggested that?

If you ask me, the Cowboys are taking this "Hard Knocks" business a little too literally. Football is a nasty game, sure, and people are going to get hurt, but there's never been any place for trying to yank a guy's head off.

And make no mistake, there was nothing inadvertent about any of the episodes, nothing incidental; if there had been, the defenders (Jason Hatcher, Pat Watkins, Jay Ratliff) would have released the mask sooner. No, this was just good, old fashioned Street Ball - Oakland Raiders, circa 1976.

Fortunately, Westbrook lived to play another day. Maybe the Cowboys will resort to a different form of, uh, discouragement next time - the clothesline, say, or the horse collar. Clearly, he was foremost in their defensive thoughts Monday night, No. 1 on their Most Wanted list. And their roughhouse tactics had the desired effect; he was held to 58 yards rushing and 103 overall.

Of course, it was a tough weekend for the NFL. That might be why the league closed its eyes to the extracurricular activities at Texas Stadium. Goodell and his trusty damage controllers were still dealing with referee Ed Hochuli's botching of the Chargers-Broncos game -the Inadvertent Whistle Heard 'Round the World - when the Cowboys started brass-knuckling Westbrook. The last thing they needed was another screaming 72-point headline.

Still, watching the Cowboys' leg-breakers in action was like going back in time - to the 1950s, before the NFL got serious about cleaning up its act. In those days, pro football was largely self-policing. If a team started working over an opposing player, a fight would almost certainly ensue (and possibly spill into the stands). At the very least, the perpetrators would be retaliated against - and in the '50s, NFL law was about as forgiving as Islamic law.

So the league was lucky the Eagles didn't respond in kind, lucky the game didn't disintegrate into a prime-time punch-a-thon. (Heck, old-time Eagles like Chuck Bednarik must have wondered why it didn't. Bednarik's teams, for goodness sakes, used to get in free-for-alls in exhibition games.)

But it does the NFL no good that the largest cable television audience ever (18.6 million, according to reports) witnessed this kneecapping of Westbrook. A certain element - the Ultimate Fighting crowd, maybe, and other devotees of the extreme - might enjoy such antics but not the true fan, the one who cares about The Game.

This is a season, let's not forget, that has already seen Tom Brady and Shawne Merriman go down - and Ben Roethlisberger narrowly miss separating his shoulder. (It's "just" a sprain, the club says.) The Seahawks are so depleted at receiver they're signing people off the street. The Colts' offensive line is such a patch job you'd have trouble naming two starters. LaDainian Tomlinson is hobbling around on a sore toe; Roy Williams has a broken arm - and it's only Week 3.

So by all means, Cowboys, put out a contract on Westbrook. Grab him by the facemask - once, twice, thrice - and make no apologies for it.

"We had a couple of facemask penalties," Wade Phillips said the next day. "We need to clean that up."

See? Problem solved.

[Munson]

I figured that shtein was done purposely as well but in a shoot out like that, that stuff doesn't get too much attention. Had it been your standard 17-14 type game, it woulda shown in the spotlight more.