eagles franchise LJ

pinoyboy2pt0 · February 10, 2008, 11:56:41 AM

adderall doesn't allow me to break up my thoughts.

troyhstewart · February 10, 2008, 12:57:15 PM

That's interesting, I must have missed that episode of DNL. I did hear Ray Didinger on WIP saying LJ was the 13th best TE in the league and he doesn't understand why the Eagles franchised him.

Sgt PSN · February 10, 2008, 01:42:23 PM

13th? That's a bit extreme. Somewhere earlier in the thread I think I was able to come up with 7 that were better.

ice grillin you · February 10, 2008, 01:44:36 PM

why would anyone question franchising him...it was a total no brainer

Sgt PSN · February 10, 2008, 01:54:17 PM

It certainly warrants questioning. He's going to get paid the avg salary of the top 5 TE's in the league, which he most certainly isn't. But when you look at the big picture, it was still the right move to make.

ice grillin you · February 10, 2008, 02:05:16 PM

yeah but thats just hating on what a guys making...as far as football goes its a no lose move

QB Eagles · February 10, 2008, 02:16:43 PM

Quote from: Sgt PSN on February 10, 2008, 01:42:23 PM
13th? That's a bit extreme. Somewhere earlier in the thread I think I was able to come up with 7 that were better.

LJ is clearly worse than Antonio Gates, Tony Gonzalez, Todd Heap, Dallas Clark, Jason Witten, Kellen Winslow, Chris Cooley, Alge Crumpler, and Jeremy Shockey (though I'd prefer having LJ to Shockey). He is on a similar level as Ben Watson, Randy McMichael, Heath Miller, Owen Daniels, Tony Scheffler, and Vernon Davis, and how you rank him among those guys is a matter of opinion.

Franchising him for one year is not a big deal and is a good move considering the alternatives and how cheap it is to franchise a TE. Continuing to franchise him for years, as someone suggested upthread, would be dumb.

troyhstewart · February 10, 2008, 03:09:50 PM

Quote from: QB Eagles on February 10, 2008, 02:16:43 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on February 10, 2008, 01:42:23 PM
13th? That's a bit extreme. Somewhere earlier in the thread I think I was able to come up with 7 that were better.

LJ is clearly worse than Antonio Gates, Tony Gonzalez, Todd Heap, Dallas Clark, Jason Witten, Kellen Winslow, Chris Cooley, Alge Crumpler, and Jeremy Shockey (though I'd prefer having LJ to Shockey). He is on a similar level as Ben Watson, Randy McMichael, Heath Miller, Owen Daniels, Tony Scheffler, and Vernon Davis, and how you rank him among those guys is a matter of opinion.

Ben Watson and Heath Miller are far superior players than LJ. The thing about TE is you have to look at blocking and receiving, and how much of an opportunity the player gets to make plays.

13th is Ray DIdinger's opinion, not mine, mine might be slightly lower.

ice grillin you · February 10, 2008, 03:16:02 PM

the eagles dont have a power running game so needing a te that blocks is overrated in their offense

Rome · February 10, 2008, 03:22:02 PM

Paying someone the average of the top five players at his position for one year is nothing because the Eagles (and every other team) are swimming in cash right now. Money means nothing for one year especially at a position like tight end which is fairly low paid to begin with.

No.

Brainer.

QB Eagles · February 10, 2008, 03:24:56 PM

Quote from: troyhstewart on February 10, 2008, 03:09:50 PMBen Watson and Heath Miller are far superior players than LJ.

I agree with you. Heath Miller especially is a game-changing guy who plays way beyond his numbers. After watching Boss this year, LJ might not even be the fourth-best TE in the division. 7th in the league is way too high.

SunMo · February 10, 2008, 03:31:56 PM

Quote from: Jerome99RIP on February 10, 2008, 03:22:02 PM
Paying someone the average of the top five players at his position for one year is nothing because the Eagles (and every other team) are swimming in cash right now. Money means nothing for one year especially at a position like tight end which is fairly low paid to begin with.

No.

Brainer.

it still counts against the cap

troyhstewart · February 10, 2008, 03:55:59 PM

Quote from: ice grillin you on February 10, 2008, 03:16:02 PM
the eagles dont have a power running game so needing a te that blocks is overrated in their offense

In case you can't grasp the concept, I'm evaluating and comparing TEs around the league, not breaking down offensive systems and what fits those systems.

ice grillin you · February 10, 2008, 04:03:35 PM

i dont give a flying farg about the rest of the league

Rome · February 10, 2008, 04:08:13 PM

Quote from: SunMo on February 10, 2008, 03:31:56 PM
it still counts against the cap

In 2008. Not in 2009, 2010, etc.

It's one year and it's a make or break thing for him. If he produces like he's capable of producing then he's worth it. If not, they have a year from the moment he signs to find a replacement. Either way they still have Celek who's at least decent and Schobel who's barely competent.