07/08 Phillies Offseason Thread

[MDS]

He's trying to win now on a team that isn't good enough to. He should be rebuilding and stockpiling prospects, not trading for washed up steroid users and above average closers.

[Wingspan]

I'll ask the question one more time regarding Ed Wade.  He's been very active so far down in Houston and has pulled off a few nice trades.  He got some young players from the Phils for Lidge and then not only replaced Lidge but got a major upgrade with Valverde.  And he also added Tejada to the mix.  So was Ed Wade really the moron we all said he was or was it Phillies management handcuffing him by being extremely frugal and not really letting him do his job? 

I know it's probably too early to tell but from where we're standing right now, it looks like Wade may have been shouldering a little too much blame for the Phils lack of success during his tenure. 

If I'm an Astros fan, I'm pretty excited about what I'm seeing so far. 

Wade drafted or aquired Utley, Howard, Hamels, Kendrick, Ruiz.

Wade is making the moves Gillick should be making. Other than resigning JC Romero....the phils have done nothing right.

[Sgt PSN]

I don't think anyone ever really knocked Wade for the players he drafted.  I think you'd be hard pressed to find a GM who drafted that many players of that caliber who are actually making bonafide contributions to that same team that drafted them. 

It's the free agency moves, or lack there of, that Wade never made that got him a bad rep among the fans. 

Wade is making the moves Gillick should be making. Other than resigning JC Romero....the phils have done nothing right.

And this is the point I'm getting at.  Is Gillick the one sitting on his hands or has ownership tied them up?  Because if that's the case, then it's likely the same scenerio when Wade was here which means that he never got a fair shake in Philly.  Not that that's a surprise.  Very few people do get a fair shake in this town when it comes to sports.  Players, coaches, GM's, towel boys, etc. 

[SunMo]

wade didn't draft those prospects, Arbuckle did...stop suckling Wade all of the sudden, he was always active here (Andy Ashby, Kevin Millwood, Turk Wendell, Dennis Cook, etc...) and they were moves that were bad or looked good at the time and didn't work out.  he tried to trade Ryan Howard for Kip Wells and then Ted Lilly, luckily those teams were dumb enough to say no.  he gives up entirely too much in these trades, just like he did in the Tejada trade.

in fact, he's the one that kept Howard in the minors for too long, he's the one that kept Utley in the minors for probably a half of a year too long, he never would've brought up Kendrick last year either. 

[PhillyPhreak54]

wade didn't draft those prospects, Arbuckle did...stop suckling Wade all of the sudden, he was always active here (Andy Ashby, Kevin Millwood, Turk Wendell, Dennis Cook, etc...) and they were moves that were bad or looked good at the time and didn't work out.  he tried to trade Ryan Howard for Kip Wells and then Ted Lilly, luckily those teams were dumb enough to say no.  he gives up entirely too much in these trades, just like he did in the Tejada trade.

in fact, he's the one that kept Howard in the minors for too long, he's the one that kept Utley in the minors for probably a half of a year too long, he never would've brought up Kendrick last year either. 

Correct. 100% correct.

Wade is who we thought he is; an idiot.

I'm going to love hearing Houston sports radio blast him at the trade deadline and beyond this year.

[Sgt PSN]

Not suckling at all.  It just looks like Wade wasn't quite as bad as we all thought he was and that even more blame should be pushed towards Monty and Co than what we've already been shoveling their way to begin with.  

[SunMo]

you're suckling, and it's making me sick....SICK!

[Rome]

Suckling!

[SD_Eagle5]

wade didn't draft those prospects, Arbuckle did...stop suckling Wade all of the sudden, he was always active here (Andy Ashby, Kevin Millwood, Turk Wendell, Dennis Cook, etc...) and they were moves that were bad or looked good at the time and didn't work out.  he tried to trade Ryan Howard for Kip Wells and then Ted Lilly, luckily those teams were dumb enough to say no.  he gives up entirely too much in these trades, just like he did in the Tejada trade.

in fact, he's the one that kept Howard in the minors for too long, he's the one that kept Utley in the minors for probably a half of a year too long, he never would've brought up Kendrick last year either. 

money post of the day

[ice grillin you]

I'll ask the question one more time regarding Ed Wade.  He's been very active so far down in Houston and has pulled off a few nice trades.  He got some young players from the Phils for Lidge and then not only replaced Lidge but got a major upgrade with Valverde.  And he also added Tejada to the mix.  So was Ed Wade really the moron we all said he was or was it Phillies management handcuffing him by being extremely frugal and not really letting him do his job? 

I know it's probably too early to tell but from where we're standing right now, it looks like Wade may have been shouldering a little too much blame for the Phils lack of success during his tenure. 

If I'm an Astros fan, I'm pretty excited about what I'm seeing so far. 

very good points sarge...i put ed wade in philly kinda of on the same level as billy king...both not very good gm's but not as bad as everyone would like to believe...for different reasons they couldnt show what they could do and thus looked horrible but really werent that bad...but not that good either

[Sgt PSN]

you're suckling, and it's making me sick....SICK!

Would it make you feel better if I shared the teet with you? 

[SD_Eagle5]

Mets season ticket package:

[MDS]

Trashiest fan base in America.

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

Let's. Go. Mets. Dum dum dum dum.

[BigEd76]

Phillies vs IronPigs in Allentown on March 30 (2PM)