Around The NFL - 2007

[Father Demon]

No doubt.  Balls galore.

[MDS]

does anyone in boston even give a shtein? the red sox are in the playoffs. go baseball.

[Seabiscuit36]

Eagles try and recall anything from Superbowl loss

Eagles try and recall anything fishy about Super Bowl loss to Patriots
By DAN GELSTON, AP Sports Writer
September 13, 2007

Philadelphia Eagles quarterback Donovan McNabb walks off the field near the end of the second quarter of Super Bowl XXXIX against the New Engalnd Patriots in Jacksonville, Fla., in this Feb. 6. 2005 file photo.
AP - Sep 13, 4:13 pm EDT
More Photos

PHILADELPHIA (AP) -- Sheldon Brown and the Eagles hoped a blitz would rattle Tom Brady.

One problem: Every time the Eagles rushed Brady in the Super Bowl, the Patriots nullified the defensive attack with screen passes. Lots of them. On almost every play defensive coordinator Jim Johnson called for a blitz, the Patriots used the short pass to confuse the Eagles.

After the Patriots beat the Eagles 24-21 in 2005 to win the Lombardi Trophy, Brown thought the Patriots beat them with nothing but sharp offensive playcalling. Now, he's not so sure.

With spying accusations leveled this week against the Patriots, some of the Eagles left from the NFC title team are wondering if New England used bootleg film to their advantage in the Super Bowl.

"Do I think about it? Mmm hmmm," said Brown, their starting cornerback. "It's crazy. I just don't know how far back it goes. Something's not right about that."

ADVERTISEMENT
Pro Bowl safety Brian Dawkins found the accusations troublesome.

"Now there's always going to be questions about the situation," Dawkins said Thursday. "Was it great adjustments at halftime or what?"

Pittsburgh wide receiver Hines Ward said this week that he suspected the Patriots had some type of inside information on the Steelers before at least one of the teams' two AFC championship game matchups since the 2001 season. While Ward said the Patriots knew a lot of Pittsburgh's calls, none of the Eagles could offer any type of solid proof of any shenanigans.

"For me to think back two years ago about something they may or may not have done, it's not worth my time," running back Brian Westbrook said.

New England beat the New York Jets in last Sunday's season opener in which an on-field video camera allegedly focusing on Jets coaches was confiscated from a Patriots employee. The league confirmed that it is investigating whether coach Bill Belichick and the Patriots were responsible for taping the Jets' defensive coaches as they signaled to players on the field.

"I would like to think it's just one team doing it, but it doesn't shock me that it happened," Dawkins said.

Some Eagles said occasional signal-stealing is an accepted part of the game. But they believe what the Patriots are accused of doing crosses the football morality line because it threatens the integrity of the game.

"It's different if you're talking about recording it," Dawkins said. "What can you do if you try to signal a play in?"

Eagles coach Andy Reid steered away from questions about the alleged cheating other than to say he has no doubts New England's victory was legitimate.

Philadelphia Eagles quarterback Donovan McNabb (5) leads his team off the field after breaking the huddle after warm-ups prior to Super Bowl XXXIX against the New England Patriots in Jacksonville, Fla., in this Feb. 6, 2005 file photo.
AP - Sep 13, 4:13 pm EDT
More Photos
"That's something Bill and the Patriots are working through," Reid said.

Brown said he noticed a difference in New England's playcalling in the second quarter. After the Patriots gained only 45 yards in the first quarter, they had 286 over the next three.

Brady hit running back Corey Dillon and gained 29 total yards on a pair of screens to open New England's first full drive of the second quarter. They didn't score on that drive, but did on four of the next five drives.

The Patriots went to the screen pass again on the decisive drive early in the fourth quarter, this time with Brady connecting with Kevin Faulk on two passes for 27 yards.

"I was like, 'Man, I never saw that many screens," Brown said.

Brown wonders if it was normal playcalling from a team good enough to win three Super Bowls in four seasons, a Patriots team that used a strong scouting report to gain a fair edge, or was somebody picking up the Eagles defensive calls from a sideline camera that deprived them of a fair shot?

"I think they should forfeit, man," said punt returner Reno Mahe, smiling. "We won the Super Bowl. I think we should get it. I'm going to go trade my NFC championship ring for a Super Bowl ring."

The headline over a picture of Belichick on the back page of Thursday's Philadelphia Daily News might have said it all: "Counterfeit RING: Spy Scandal Helps Explain Birds' Super Bowl Loss."

Hey, maybe the illicit tape would show once and for all if Donovan McNabb really did get sick in the huddle late in the game. Remember, that was Philadelphia's first excuse for losing.

McNabb -- who insisted the Eagles would never stoop to those kind of tactics -- was surprised to hear the allegations against the Patriots. But he said the suspicions might be overblown.

"One thing people are forgetting is that even if you have the answers to the test, you still have to take the test," he said. "If they have an idea of what's coming, those guys still have to be able to execute the play."

That doesn't mean McNabb won't clear some space in his jewelry box. For a city that last saw a pro team win a championship nearly 25 years ago, the Eagles might accept a retroactive one.

"Maybe we'll get our ring back," said a chuckling McNabb. "Maybe we'll get the real one."

[SunMo]

NFL fined the Patriots $500k and they lose their first round pick if they make the playoffs

[Seabiscuit36]

NFL fined the Patriots $500k and they lose their first round pick if they make the playoffs

pretty ghey penalty, but its a lock the first rounder is gone

[Dillen]

They have an extra 1st rounder again anyway. They traded last year's extra for one this year.

[The BIGSTUD]

Looks like they'll be giving up their 2nd and 3rd. Oh well.

[SD_Eagle5]

NFL fined the Patriots $500k and they lose their first round pick if they make the playoffs

What kind of stipulation is that?

[SunMo]

to clarify:

Bellicheck gets fined the $500k, the Pats get fined $250k, they lose their first round pick if they make the playoffs and if they miss the playoffs they lose their 2nd and 3rd

[Rome]

Hahaha.  In other words, they cheat for years and get nothing but a slap on the wrist.

I wonder how guys who are serving suspensions and losing far more than $500K for taking roids feel about that?

NFL = farging hypocrites. 

[Magical_Retard]

Hahaha.  In other words, they cheat for years and get nothing but a slap on the wrist.

I wonder how guys who are serving suspensions and losing far more than $500K for taking roids feel about that?

NFL = farging hypocrites. 

considering all the reports coming out i was expecting more...like a suspension for the coach and a guaranteed loss of a first round pick. i think goodell has done really well so far but this is the only time i think he went a lil soft.

if you do something outside the league to cause damage to the image of the game your gone for the year but if you do something within a game to cheat and possibly call into question the integrity of the game and you MAY lose a 1st rounder?

[The BIGSTUD]

Goodell wasn't gonna suspend him. White boys gotta stick together.

[Phanatic]

I'm reading an article on this on Yahoo and they have Eagles super bowl loss images all over the article... HA!

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

Sign "stealing" = competitive advantage

Signal jamming / Headset games = cheap and dirty


If they could ever catch the Patriots for the latter, whatever.  Frankly, everyone steals signs, and it just appears that the Patriots were better at it.

[SD_Eagle5]