Fair Shot For McNabb In Philly?

Displaced · April 28, 2007, 08:43:22 PM

So with the drafting of this guy Kolb I have to ask the question has McNabb ever gotten a fair shot to win the big one in Philly?

This is what I mean.

His entire time in Philly McNabb has been nothing but spectacular given what he has had to work with.

Think about it. When the defense was championship quality ReidandCo. were almost maniacal in their refusal to put a top flight reciever or running back on the team with him to take pressure off the young QB.

When the offense finally got good enough the defense couldn't hold up.

He has never had a top flight A-list RB to work with (I know Westy is great now but he had his best year when McNabb was hurt and the Eagles had no choice but to run the ball) or even a decent running game that could be counted on in a pinch.

I for one don't believe McNabb ever got a fair shake and the makeshift lines and lack of a running game and top flight recievers contributed to his being hurt as often as he was.

What do you think?

PoopyfaceMcGee · April 28, 2007, 08:44:41 PM

This thread eats more anus than picking Kolb at #36.

Displaced · April 28, 2007, 08:52:23 PM

Quote from: FastFreddie on April 28, 2007, 08:44:41 PM
This thread eats more anus than picking Kolb at #36.

You are probably right but I just had to get it out of my system.

PoopyfaceMcGee · April 28, 2007, 08:53:01 PM

It's ok. There's a lot of that today.

Magical_Retard · April 29, 2007, 12:05:27 AM

Quote from: Displaced on April 28, 2007, 08:43:22 PM
So with the drafting of this guy Kolb I have to ask the question has McNabb ever gotten a fair shot to win the big one in Philly?

This is what I mean.

His entire time in Philly McNabb has been nothing but spectacular given what he has had to work with.

Think about it. When the defense was championship quality ReidandCo. were almost maniacal in their refusal to put a top flight reciever or running back on the team with him to take pressure off the young QB.

When the offense finally got good enough the defense couldn't hold up.

He has never had a top flight A-list RB to work with (I know Westy is great now but he had his best year when McNabb was hurt and the Eagles had no choice but to run the ball) or even a decent running game that could be counted on in a pinch.

I for one don't believe McNabb ever got a fair shake and the makeshift lines and lack of a running game and top flight recievers contributed to his being hurt as often as he was.

What do you think?

no i dont think he has. ppl might say well "the patriots did more with less" offensively but you know what mcnabb does not equal brady and he is not better than brady. plus the patriots, and other teams who won thru defense mostly, had some dominant defenses. the ravens, bucs, and pats all had great defenses. our defense was solid but it was never dominant like those defenses.

it just really confuses me. we have mcnabb yet they refuse to surround him with talent offensively. they have the money. they have the resources. they did it once with TO and they will never do it again.

Father Demon · April 29, 2007, 12:09:17 AM

says "Hi!!"

(Yes, I know he isn't TO, but he is a good receiver. Best we've had in the last 4 years not counting TO)

Geowhizzer · April 29, 2007, 12:09:35 AM

Quote from: Magical_Retard on April 29, 2007, 12:05:27 AM
Quote from: Displaced on April 28, 2007, 08:43:22 PM
So with the drafting of this guy Kolb I have to ask the question has McNabb ever gotten a fair shot to win the big one in Philly?

This is what I mean.

His entire time in Philly McNabb has been nothing but spectacular given what he has had to work with.

Think about it. When the defense was championship quality ReidandCo. were almost maniacal in their refusal to put a top flight reciever or running back on the team with him to take pressure off the young QB.

When the offense finally got good enough the defense couldn't hold up.

He has never had a top flight A-list RB to work with (I know Westy is great now but he had his best year when McNabb was hurt and the Eagles had no choice but to run the ball) or even a decent running game that could be counted on in a pinch.

I for one don't believe McNabb ever got a fair shake and the makeshift lines and lack of a running game and top flight recievers contributed to his being hurt as often as he was.

What do you think?

no i dont think he has. ppl might say well "the patriots did more with less" offensively but you know what mcnabb does not equal brady and he is not better than brady. plus the patriots, and other teams who won thru defense mostly, had some dominant defenses. the ravens, bucs, and pats all had great defenses. our defense was solid but it was never dominant like those defenses.

it just really confuses me. we have mcnabb yet they refuse to surround him with talent offensively. they have the money. they have the resources. they did it once with TO and they will never do it again.

Unfortunately, with McNabb coming off of two straight injury-blighted seasons, major knee surgery, and being on the wrong side of 30, you are probably right. His time may be nearing an end in Philadelphia.

I still think that McNabb is of a quality that can win a Super Bowl. I'm just fearful that ring may come elsewhere.

Magical_Retard · April 29, 2007, 12:15:37 AM

Quote from: Geowhizzer on April 29, 2007, 12:09:35 AM
Quote from: Magical_Retard on April 29, 2007, 12:05:27 AM
Quote from: Displaced on April 28, 2007, 08:43:22 PM
So with the drafting of this guy Kolb I have to ask the question has McNabb ever gotten a fair shot to win the big one in Philly?

This is what I mean.

His entire time in Philly McNabb has been nothing but spectacular given what he has had to work with.

Think about it. When the defense was championship quality ReidandCo. were almost maniacal in their refusal to put a top flight reciever or running back on the team with him to take pressure off the young QB.

When the offense finally got good enough the defense couldn't hold up.

He has never had a top flight A-list RB to work with (I know Westy is great now but he had his best year when McNabb was hurt and the Eagles had no choice but to run the ball) or even a decent running game that could be counted on in a pinch.

I for one don't believe McNabb ever got a fair shake and the makeshift lines and lack of a running game and top flight recievers contributed to his being hurt as often as he was.

What do you think?

no i dont think he has. ppl might say well "the patriots did more with less" offensively but you know what mcnabb does not equal brady and he is not better than brady. plus the patriots, and other teams who won thru defense mostly, had some dominant defenses. the ravens, bucs, and pats all had great defenses. our defense was solid but it was never dominant like those defenses.

it just really confuses me. we have mcnabb yet they refuse to surround him with talent offensively. they have the money. they have the resources. they did it once with TO and they will never do it again.

Unfortunately, with McNabb coming off of two straight injury-blighted seasons, major knee surgery, and being on the wrong side of 30, you are probably right. His time may be nearing an end in Philadelphia.

I still think that McNabb is of a quality that can win a Super Bowl. I'm just fearful that ring may come elsewhere.

yeah i know he is 30+ plus now but i still feel McNabb is in his prime. the saddest part about it is that the eagles know this but they refuse to help him out offensively. now if he comes back healthy and plays like he did last season, even without TO, they can have a decent OFFENSE but there is no point of the DEFENSE can not stop anyone.

its just sad that we have a franchise QB but the franchise refuses to help him win.

Don Ho · April 29, 2007, 05:37:28 AM

now i am totally depressed.

shorebird · April 29, 2007, 09:19:11 AM

Quote from: Magical_Retard on April 29, 2007, 12:05:27 AM
it just really confuses me. we have mcnabb yet they refuse to surround him with talent offensively. they have the money. they have the resources. they did it once with TO and they will never do it again.

It's been that way since the day they drafted him and he came in for Dougy Fresh and was throwing to guys like Charles Johnson.

Now the FO is sticking their asses in Dmacs face with this pick.

hunt · April 29, 2007, 09:21:36 AM

so, will mcnabb step it up now that they drafted kolb....or will he cry like an oversensitive beeyotch?

PhillyPhreak54 · April 29, 2007, 12:32:21 PM

Wanna know the real reason why they took Kolb?

It has nothing to do with the supposed fragile psyche of Donovan. Nor did it have anything to do with the injury thing either.

It's all about the cap number, baby. McNabb's contract runs through 2010 and he'll be 34 years old. Still young enough to get another big contract. Look at the salaries QBs are being paid now. Are they going to renegotiate his contract and pay a 34yr old QB like a king? Nope. So by 2010 Kolb will be ready, at least they hope so, and they'll extend his rookie contract and he'll be the starter. Watch.

Donovan's cap numbers:

2007: $8,835,000 (5.5 mil base salary)
2008: $9,635,000 (6.3 mil base salry)
2009: $9,206,000 (9.2 mil base salary)
2010: $10,006,000 (10 mil base salary)

PoopyfaceMcGee · April 29, 2007, 12:39:05 PM

Considering Donovan's durability issues in his late 20's, I'm ok with him being jettisoned by the time he's 34.

It's not like his body is going to start healing faster or resisting injury better.

Displaced · April 29, 2007, 04:12:16 PM

I think the key is they have to protect him. They have to develop the kind of offense the Broncos had at the end with Elway. The offensive line they have can do the job if that is the mentality they have from the outset. They have to establish it right from the first minicamp and carry it through. I am not saying they don't use the quick strike they had last year but they need to run some teams down and beat them up a little, on both sides of the ball but especially on offense.

PhillyPhreak54 · May 01, 2007, 07:56:24 PM

According to Eskin today, who I caught a little bit of around 5pm;

The weeks prior to McNabb blowing his knee out were spent discussing a contract extension for him.