2007 Flyers Offseason Thread

[SunMo]

breaking someone's neck and ending their career is totally the same as a charge

[ice grillin you]

its worthless and irrelevant to refer to past suspensions...times change and like i said the league is really trying to make a statement regarding head injuries...something mccammond had a history of

plus downie has long been known as a punk vs bertuzzi having an impeccable record prior to his punch

also re: bertuzzi if moore doesnt break his neck he probably gets five games...the 20 games was because of the severe injury....truth be told bertuzzi got off light and if mcammond never plays again or is out for months and months then so will have downie

[SunMo]

from what i've read, mcammond will be ready to go when the season starts or soon after

[MDS]

20 games is severe but it sends a message to these douches to stop head hunting and play the game right. i like it.

also, i read through espns nhl preview and was able to name 1 player or 14 teams and 4 coaches (including the flyers). hooray.

[Seabiscuit36]

its worthless and irrelevant to refer to past suspensions...times change and like i said the league is really trying to make a statement regarding head injuries...something mccammond had a history of

plus downie has long been known as a punk vs bertuzzi having an impeccable record prior to his punch

also re: bertuzzi if moore doesnt break his neck he probably gets five games...the 20 games was because of the severe injury....truth be told bertuzzi got off light and if mcammond never plays again or is out for months and months then so will have downie

There is nothing in the bylaws about headshots.  They have been talking about it for years but never address it, now they go overboard.  I agree that headshots have no place in the game unless your hitting Darcy Tucker. 

[ice grillin you]

well you thought the hit was legal from the get go and dont believe any suspension is warranted so i can see why youd go crazy over 20 games

[rjs246]

23 Games
Gordie Dwyer of the Tampa Bay Lightning, for abusing officials and leaving the penalty box to fight in a pre-season game against the Washington Capitals in September, 2000.

How can anyone with a penis not love hockey?

[Seabiscuit36]

well you thought the hit was legal from the get go and dont believe any suspension is warranted so i can see why youd go crazy over 20 games

I thought 2-3 would be more than enough to set a standard. 

I'm buying you this havas

[ice grillin you]

lol

[SunMo]

Tim P talked with Colin Campbell after the decision was made:

He told me, "This boy left his feet, targeted the head and stalked the player. [McAmmond] had no expectation of this hit and [Downie] drilled him. We felt we saw retribution in the cards once [Downie] was hit himself.

"We're not saying shoulder hits to the head are illegal. Only if all the other criteria come into play. We don't want to take shoulder hits to the head out of the game."

I argued a point with Colin. As long as shots to the head are not outlawed, there is always going to be a "gray" area in hockey as to what is a legal hit and illegal hit. And there is going to be concussions.

"Tim, if we take out hits to the head, do we ban fighting then?" Campbell asked me. "I don't want to eliminate hitting from hockey. Shoulder hits to the head are still a legal body check. What we don't want to do is having players skating around with their heads down and looking for the league or referees to protect them."

Before Campbell made his ruling, he canvassed opinion from the NHL's competition committee. He said the consensus from the committee was that the Downie hit represented the "exact" hit the NHL wants to eliminate from the game.

Flyers took the high road here. Here's general manager Paul Holmgren's reaction:

"My reaction is that it seems like a lot of games, but Colin Campbell is in a very difficult position and we respect his position and his judgment in this case. We will live with it. I was with Steve during the hearing and was with him after the verdict. He is very upset and understandably so. He understands the ramifications and he is prepared to live with this decision.

what a farging joke of a league

[Seabiscuit36]

Tim P talked with Colin Campbell after the decision was made:

He told me, "This boy left his feet, targeted the head and stalked the player. [McAmmond] had no expectation of this hit and [Downie] drilled him. We felt we saw retribution in the cards once [Downie] was hit himself.

"We're not saying shoulder hits to the head are illegal. Only if all the other criteria come into play. We don't want to take shoulder hits to the head out of the game."

I argued a point with Colin. As long as shots to the head are not outlawed, there is always going to be a "gray" area in hockey as to what is a legal hit and illegal hit. And there is going to be concussions.

"Tim, if we take out hits to the head, do we ban fighting then?" Campbell asked me. "I don't want to eliminate hitting from hockey. Shoulder hits to the head are still a legal body check. What we don't want to do is having players skating around with their heads down and looking for the league or referees to protect them."

Before Campbell made his ruling, he canvassed opinion from the NHL's competition committee. He said the consensus from the committee was that the Downie hit represented the "exact" hit the NHL wants to eliminate from the game.

Flyers took the high road here. Here's general manager Paul Holmgren's reaction:

"My reaction is that it seems like a lot of games, but Colin Campbell is in a very difficult position and we respect his position and his judgment in this case. We will live with it. I was with Steve during the hearing and was with him after the verdict. He is very upset and understandably so. He understands the ramifications and he is prepared to live with this decision.

what a farging joke of a league

Seriously, wtf did they suspend him for.  He didnt use his elbow, he used his shoulder.  They have no case other than the bitches in Ottawa and dirty tampons like Jason Blake cried about it.  The NHLPA should rip this thing to shreds if they just use those quotes alone. 

[Geowhizzer]

I figured Downie would be suspended, but I had guessed it would be five games, maybe as many as ten to make an example.  Twenty is just crazy.

[Seabiscuit36]

and for Murp

[PhillyPhreak54]

They suspended him for that hit? That is the first I've seen it due to the travel and shtein, but a lengthy suspension? Gary Bettman and Colin Campbell are a couple of ninny's.

[SD_Eagle5]

Flyers/Rangers games should be good this season, there were 4 fights tonight: