Season Ticket Waiting List?

[SunMo]

once he said that it was his mail carrier that started this i immediately understood what was going on.

i, for one, have murdered for my mail carrier, they are that important.

[Rome]

Anyway, back on point, I'm curious about Jerome's assertion that you are making a profit from selling tickets. Are these tickets you wouldn't otherwise use yourself? Did you get them with the intention of reselling them for a profit?

Here's a direct quote from ttllabtoof:

ttllabtoof
   
post Jun 15 2006, 08:19 PM
Post #44


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Obviously I have used too many big words for you.

AS LONG AS THE EAGLES IGNORE AND SCALP TICKETS THEMSELVES, I WILL TOO. BUT FOR THE GOOD OF ALL LOCAL FANS, I WOULD MUCH RATHER SEE THEM REVOKE SCALPED TICKETS. THAT WOULD INCLUDE ME TOO.

AND I DO NOT LIVE IN PA, SO PA LAW DOESN'T APPLY.

Sorry, you did all that typing and all you did was make yourself look like a bigger arse.

He still hasn't explained why he's angry at the Eagles for selling to scalpers (him) yet he's not angry at the scalpers themselves.

The line immediately following the larger text explains his bipolarism pretty succintly, though.

Doode's a mess. 

[phattymatty]

I tried to let that other clown slide but since my last post was on Monday afternoon and I was in central PA Monday  night, Tuesday and today on site.  It would have been impossible for me to of posted yesterday.  He must be doing some heavy shrooms and the MonkeyDude shared them.

i'm pretty sure the 29th is one day before the 30th, but what do i know.

[ice grillin you]

i cant speak for tee tee

and i personally would never scalp an eagles ticket however scalpers serve a purpose on an individual game basis...scalping tickets in the parking lot is as old as the forward pass...the individual ticket holder who wants to take advantage of an open market on occasion i have no problem with

but when you have a supposed 60k person waiting list and theres people who own 20 seat blocks of tickets and are selling them for every game at a 300% mark up on a site you partner with then something is wrong

how easy would it be for the eagles
to go on razorgator/ebay/stubhub ect
get the seat locations of these blocks
or any ticket that is found to be for sale for greater than 50% of the eagle games
and take them away from the account holder
then offer them to the "waiting list"

[Susquehanna Birder]

I tried to let that other clown slide but since my last post was on Monday afternoon and I was in central PA Monday  night, Tuesday and today on site.  It would have been impossible for me to of posted yesterday.  He must be doing some heavy shrooms and the MonkeyDude shared them.

i'm pretty sure the 29th is one day before the 30th, but what do i know.

And being in Central PA, I can vouch for the fact that we do, indeed, have internet access here.

[Cerevant]

He still hasn't explained why he's angry at the Eagles for selling to scalpers (him) yet he's not angry at the scalpers themselves.

Because, he is pissed off that he doesn't get a shot at more inventory.  He can't scalp them if they are sold directly to the ticket brokers...

I said it before - this guy might just be a troll, but I think it is more likely that he has some other agenda.  For all we know, he works for StubHub, and is pissed that the Eagles are advertising with the competition.

I agree with IGY - season tickets should be for fans, not brokers.  I don't think any individual should hold the rights for more than 4 season tickets.  I think what IGY proposes for monitoring EBay et al is perfectly reasonable.  Unfortunately this yahoo doesn't propose solutions, he doesn't engage in conversation, and doesn't participate in any meaningful way in this forum except for his out of control rants and useless rally cries.

Go away troll.  We heard your message, some of us agree with some of your points, but your obsession is way out of control and I for one am bored with it. 

[Susquehanna Birder]

i cant speak for tee tee

and i personally would never scalp an eagles ticket however scalpers serve a purpose on an individual game basis...scalping tickets in the parking lot is as old as the forward pass...the individual ticket holder who wants to take advantage of an open market on occasion i have no problem with

but when you have a supposed 60k person waiting list and theres people who own 20 seat blocks of tickets and are selling them for every game at a 300% mark up on a site you partner with then something is wrong

how easy would it be for the eagles
to go on razorgator/ebay/stubhub ect
get the seat locations of these blocks
or any ticket that is found to be for sale for greater than 50% of the eagle games
and take them away from the account holder
then offer them to the "waiting list"

I don't disagree with you at all, IGY. I share your frustration with the Eagles (or all the other franchises that do it) looking the other way when brokers - or whoever - move large blocks of tickets. But that's as far as I'll go. I really don't think the franchises have a financial relationship with the brokers, other than a basic advertising agreement.

[Cerevant]

Agreed - why would the Eagles need a middle-man when they can sell these outrageous VIP packages?  And you know damn well that they will all be sold.

[ice grillin you]

I really don't think the franchises have a financial relationship with the brokers, other than a basic advertising agreement.

what?....having an advertising agreement is a financial relationship...and having this relationship clearly could and probably does open all kinds of other arrangements with the two parties...do you know all the fine print thats included in the eagle/razorgator contract...or do you trust joe banner that its strictly an advertising relationship...because the eagles are having trouble finding advertising partners right?...it was razorgator or bust

i cant believe you could possibly condone a front office and a ticket agency having a relationship of any kind....especially when you refuse to show the fans this 60k person waiting list you brag about all the time

i guess its because you have tickets and just dont care about the people who dont...however it makes me sick that there are live and die eagle fans on the waiting list getting strung along while razorgator is selling off blocks of seats to visitng team fans

but for a second lets leave the eagle razorgator communion out of it...were they to have no realtionship and razorgator had these blcoks of tickets on the site id still be furious with the front office...as i said above it would be ridiculously easy to pull those tickets from them and in turn the ticket owner...and as far as im concerned the reason they dont is because they are in bed together...if the eagles or other fans get offended by that then all the team has to do is end their partneship with rg

if lil sus couldnt make a game one week and you wanted to recoup some money i would have absolutely no problem with you scalping your ticket...thats what capitalism is all about...but from the waiting list debacle to the razorgator thing it all just stinks and the eagles cant smell it because of the blocks of tickets being sold right under their nose

[Beermonkey]

i cant speak for tee tee

and i personally would never scalp an eagles ticket however scalpers serve a purpose on an individual game basis...scalping tickets in the parking lot is as old as the forward pass...the individual ticket holder who wants to take advantage of an open market on occasion i have no problem with

but when you have a supposed 60k person waiting list and theres people who own 20 seat blocks of tickets and are selling them for every game at a 300% mark up on a site you partner with then something is wrong

how easy would it be for the eagles
to go on razorgator/ebay/stubhub ect
get the seat locations of these blocks
or any ticket that is found to be for sale for greater than 50% of the eagle games
and take them away from the account holder
then offer them to the "waiting list"

I don't disagree with you at all, IGY. I share your frustration with the Eagles (or all the other franchises that do it) looking the other way when brokers - or whoever - move large blocks of tickets. But that's as far as I'll go. I really don't think the franchises have a financial relationship with the brokers, other than a basic advertising agreement.

I agree also. I don't like the way the current market for tickets is structured either & the Eagles have some valid fan questions that need to be answered, or their will be 1000's of toofballs running around Philly. Once single game tickets go on sale in June, the following are going to be issues:

1) Is the waiting list real or is a marketing list disguised?
2) How many season tickets went unrenewed? Where where these seats then allocated?
3) I also would like to know why 20 SRO seats are already available on a number of ticket websites.

I'm not sure if it's as easy as it seems to police ticket websites & pull the seats from the offenders. I'd like to hear the Eagles thoughts on it though. I assume the Eagles, like most major league franchises, need to sell them to a mix of individuals, corporations & ticket agencies, then let the market set the prices for the tickets. As long as the seats are sold, it doesn't matter who is buying them. Bulking up the ticket office staff to enforce a new policy, then possibly having to deal with any legal fallout, is an administrative problem that they wouldn't want to deal with.

As far as I know about the VIP packages, they have Red Zone & Touchdown club packages that are in either section 101 at the 50 yd line or the first 2 rows of the north end zone. I have no problem with them trying to packages these as a premium experience. What I'd like to know more about & may have a problem with, is where the seats included in the "Ultimate Tailgate" package are coming from.

[ice grillin you]

Bulking up the ticket office staff to enforce a new policy, then possibly having to deal with any legal fallout, is an administrative problem that they wouldn't want to deal with.


i have a 9-5 (granted not a busy one) and in two hours i could probably collect every seat location and account information for these blocks of tickets...it would hardly be a bulking up the office...one full time 30k a year employee could do it...use some of that unused cap money to pay for a ticket enforcement program

if they can take my season tickets away because someone smoked a cigarette in one of the seats or i got caught scalping them in the lot or my tickets were found in a scalpers hands then the eagles could certainly take away tickets on rg or ebay that are going for three times the price....and if they cant because of some contract they have with the ticket holder or the ticket broker then thats because they put that language there themselves...the team IS the law when it coems to scalping tickets...they could at the drop of dime end most of this...they just choose not too...and unless someone can come up with a better reason its because of the money they make off it in addition to a complete disregard for their fans

[Rome]

its because of the money they make off it in addition to a complete disregard for their fans

Can you remember a time that they ever truly gave a shtein about the fans?  Ever??

[Rome]

Agreed - why would the Eagles need a middle-man when they can sell these outrageous VIP packages?  And you know damn well that they will all be sold.

Bingo.

[ice grillin you]

Can you remember a time that they ever truly gave a shtein about the fans?  Ever??

no....but i can still be upset about it

[Rome]

Can you remember a time that they ever truly gave a shtein about the fans?  Ever??

no....but i can still be upset about it

I don't see why.  You have to realize at least on some level that you're nothing but a number to them, right?

I arrived at the conclusion that the Eagles couldn't care less about me years ago.  The only thing they want from me is my $1,500 by the due date.  If they don't get it, they'll rejoice because my tickets would bring 4 times that if they rolled them into one of their VIP packages.

Philosophically I can see feeling slighted because no one deserves to be treated with contempt, but hey, that's just the world we live in.  Most corporations farg us up the ass any chance they get.  Why should a billion-dollar concern like the Eagles be any different?