College Football 2007

Started by ice grillin you, January 10, 2007, 01:19:37 PM

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Cerevant

Quote from: ice grillin you on January 09, 2008, 11:56:28 AM
not hating on the nfl system its good for that particular league...but it would make college football far worse

There's logic for you - take a league with 4 times as many teams and decide the outcome of the season based on fewer games.  Brilliant!
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ice grillin you

more teams but less teams that can win it all

less games to decide it all means each of those games is much more important and better to watch

logic clearly isnt your strong suit when it comes to cfb
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Rome

Adding conference championship games has strengthened the BCS.  Wouldn't adding playoff games for the top teams do the same?

MDS

you could also do something like having the higher seed = home field in playoff game. so like the pitt/wva game, wva had the 2 locked up then they lost, so now they have to go on the road to face oklahoma instead of hosting hawaii or something. big difference.
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Cerevant

Yeah, but in IGY's eyes, it ruined the season.  Now teams who make the conference championship game might have a meaningless game at the end of the season.
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MDS

they will be the equivilant of conference tournaments for big time teams in basketball. basically playing for higher seeding. my idea was the 16 team but even with an 8 team playoff, losing 1 game late in the season could knock you out.

the regular season wouldnt mean as much, but it still would mean a heck of a lot.
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PoopyfaceMcGee

Quote from: MDS on January 09, 2008, 12:35:51 PM
you could also do something like having the higher seed = home field in playoff game. so like the pitt/wva game, wva had the 2 locked up then they lost, so now they have to go on the road to face oklahoma instead of hosting hawaii or something. big difference.

This makes less sense than anything posted in the last 5 pages of this thread.  Letting teams play "playoff" games at their home field is exactly what the sponsors won't tolerate.

MDS

the sponsors, college and conference presidents wont tolerate any kind of playoff because they got $10 million + payouts on big time bowl games and they want to keep it that way. so what the hell difference does it make.
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reese125

Quote from: MDS on January 09, 2008, 12:35:51 PM
you could also do something like having the higher seed = home field in playoff game. so like the pitt/wva game, wva had the 2 locked up then they lost, so now they have to go on the road to face oklahoma instead of hosting hawaii or something. big difference.

Obviously no fan base can afford to travel week after week to neutral-site games, and they wouldn't have to with a playoff

The competitive value of home-field advantage would also help maintain the importance of the regular season because the higher the seed, the more home games. You do it for the first 3 rounds. How would USC fare if it didn't get a Big Ten opponent in Pasadena each January, but rather had to go to Ann Arbor or Columbus for a change?

QuoteLetting teams play "playoff" games at their home field is exactly what the sponsors won't tolerate.

actually it might work the opposite

College football is leaving millions on the table by staging top games in far-off cities. Big schools such as Ohio State earn about $5 million per home game-and that is just direct revenue. The 14 hugely profitable home games from the first three rounds would create a huge revenue stream. Its a win-win if you agree with the structure




PoopyfaceMcGee

It makes a huge difference, if you can market current bowl games as part of an overall playoff.


Not that it matters, because the current system is working and here to stay.  The only team that had a viable argument for making the championship but didn't was Hawaii, and the selection process proved their undefeated season was an aberration.

The only year the system "fails" is when there are 3 or 4 very strong undefeated teams.  Otherwise, teams know they're at the mercy of the polls if they lose any games, so like IGY said, every game is a playoff game.


LSU and OSU got lucky to an extent, sure, but other teams all had their chances to be there and blew it.

SunMo

Quote from: FastFreddie on January 09, 2008, 12:54:08 PM

Not that it matters, because the current system is working and here to stay.  The only team that had a viable argument for making the championship but didn't was Hawaii, and the selection process proved their undefeated season was an aberration.



Georgia, USC, Florida...
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PoopyfaceMcGee

Quote from: SunMo on January 09, 2008, 12:55:45 PM
Georgia, USC, Florida...

UGA - lost to South Carolina at home and got crushed by Tennessee on the road
USC - lost to Stanford at home and also Oregon
Florida - 3 losses?  Zero viable argument there.  Plus, they had a nice exclamation point by losing to Michigan in their bowl game.

ice grillin you

LSU and OSU got lucky to an extent, sure, but other teams all had their chances to be there and blew it.

exactly...there were numerous playoff games during the regular season where teams had to do what they had to do to survive...some did and some didnt...

it was one amazing free for all and was much more interesting than some flip a coin made up playoff tournament where only some of the teams are in it and not others

the playoff is currently already in place and in what is the best regular season in sports

the one place i do havea gripe as it stands now is that i think all the conferences should have a championship game...i think its unfair that the sec for example has to play a champinship game while ohio state gets to sit back and chill while people knock each other out
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ice grillin you

i will add the other legitimate gripe is when you had three undeafeated bcs teams in a season...would be hard to do but it could happen...and in that case i can see an argument for a plus one johnson in the years it does...but theres no really good argument for a playoff
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SunMo

Quote from: FastFreddie on January 09, 2008, 01:01:34 PM
Quote from: SunMo on January 09, 2008, 12:55:45 PM
Georgia, USC, Florida...

UGA - lost to South Carolina at home and got crushed by Tennessee on the road
USC - lost to Stanford at home and also Oregon
Florida - 3 losses?  Zero viable argument there.  Plus, they had a nice exclamation point by losing to Michigan in their bowl game.

LSU - lost at home to Arkansas in their last regular season game, lost at Kentucky
Ohio St - lost at home to Illinois who got ROLLED by USC

you were saying?

so because Ohio State plays in a weaker conference they get to play in the National Championship game...sweet system
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