Eagles - NFC East Champs

[shorebird]

IGY

IGY's brain

[SunMo]

IGY

Originally, a fan or follower of the Philadelphia-based professional sports teams who refused to celebrate the two Stanley Cup championships won by the Philadelphia Flyers in 1974 and 1975 on the grounds that hockey should not be considered a "major" sport; today, a Philadelphia sports fan who is either unduly pessimistic about one or more of the local teams' immediate prospects, or one who strenuously disagrees with the policies, player-personnel decisions etc., made by said team or teams.

yup...you disagree with the team, you're a negadelphian, good call.

[Eaglez]

The people who hate him unabashedly will continue to do so without ever mentioning or putting forth a contingency plan, because that could possibly lead to criticism and expose themselves to ridicule. People who like Reid will defend him and continue to point towards his accomplishments compared to a lot of the other coaches in the league.

Good breakdown, BTW, Wingspan. Good to see some substance on the board.

[ice grillin you]

his overall record (minus 1999

lol...well since we are taking the worst year out lets take 2004 the best year out as well

and the record vs winning teams i gave was reg season only...his playoff debacles are well documented...and as you know all games in the post season are vs winning teams...playoffs are its own season where reid is 7-5...a solid record if it wasnt for the monster choke jobs...four of the five losses being in championship games...hes 1-4 in those games

anyway look it up..i will again if youd like...but his regular season record vs teams with winning records is i believe 16-30...this in an all time bad streak for the conference he plays in

[shorebird]

what coach has a great record vs teams that are .500 or better.

it's all well and good to parrot the same lines over and over again, I would just like to see them backup with with some substance once in a while. oh, and if you remove last year (which i did not), he's 29-26.

You won't get any substance. People react on the emotion of Reid never having won a Superbowl.  When you throw numbers at them, and facts, it goes over thier heads. They can't see through thier blind, Negaphilian rage. They see the few big games he has lost and tunnel vision sets in to were they can't see anything else. I don't know how they can even enjoy the game or the season. And anyone who doesn't agree with thier assumtions are ridiculed and branded homers. Your a dumbass for not seeing things their way. Now that the team is winning despite all odds, it's a flash in the pan that will only delay the inevitable, the coachs long awaited firing.

Can't you see it?? The only way to win a Superbowl is to fire Ried and trade McNabb.  

[ice grillin you]

what coach has a great record vs teams that are .500 or better.

a great record probably not many

but if you consider yourself to be a great coach and consistenly have very good or great teams then you should be around .500 against other good teams...reid is way under that number and in the very biggest moments has come up incredibly small

[shorebird]

his overall record (minus 1999

lol...well since we are taking the worst year out lets take 2004 the best year out as well

The worst years were without McNabb, the qb he drafted.

and the record vs winning teams i gave was reg season only...his playoff debacles are well documented...and as you know all games in the post season are vs winning teams...playoffs are its own season where reid is 7-5...a solid record if it wasnt for the monster choke jobs...four of the five losses being in championship games...hes 1-4 in those games

Monster choke jobs? That means any team who doesn't win the Superbowl does a Monster choke job.

anyway look it up..i will again if youd like...but his regular season record vs teams with winning records is i believe 16-30...this in an all time bad streak for the conference he plays in

Please look it up. And your talking about teams regular season record? If so, it bears mentioning what teams won the Superbowl after the Eagles lost to them in the Championship game.

[rjs246]

Shorebird, your 'everything is fine and McNabb and Reid are great' attitude is just as extreme and even more ridiculous.

Facts:
Reid took a team in disarray and brought them a calming stability.
Reid took a team in disarray and made them a dominant force in their division.
Reid had homefield advantage throughout the playoffs three straight years and won zero superbowls.
Reid headed up the offense of an Eagles team that had an intimidating defense and won zero superbowls.
No one anywhere would argue that the NFC was strong during Reid's tenure, yet he has been unable to get this team over the hump. Winning one conference title and zero superbowls.
His play calling has led directly to the franchise quarterback being open to hits more than necessary which in turn has led to the franchise quarterback being hurt in each of the past two seasons.
His play calling also led directly to a 6-10 season last year and a 5-6 start to this season, losing games against two teams led by rookie quarterbacks. Only once he handed over play-calling duty did the team get turned around.

He has some serious flaws and defending him tooth and nail is idiotic.

[Wingspan]

his overall record (minus 1999

lol...well since we are taking the worst year out lets take 2004 the best year out as well

and the record vs winning teams i gave was reg season only...his playoff debacles are well documented...and as you know all games in the post season are vs winning teams...playoffs are its own season where reid is 7-5...a solid record if it wasnt for the monster choke jobs...four of the five losses being in championship games...hes 1-4 in those games

anyway look it up..i will again if youd like...but his regular season record vs teams with winning records is i believe 16-30...this in an all time bad streak for the conference he plays in

if you want to include 1999, fine.

the eagles were 3-5 vs + 500, and 1-1 vs 8-8

i only seperate 8-8 because an optimist will say 500 or higher record, a pessimist will say above 500 when putting this record out there. so in total,

26-32 in games with teams that finished over .500 in the current season, is hardly atrocious.
9-9 vs .500 teams.

Your 16-30 record is just flat out dead wrong. fact. I don't need you to look anything up, because i did.

[Wingspan]

his overall record (minus 1999

lol...well since we are taking the worst year out lets take 2004 the best year out as well

and the record vs winning teams i gave was reg season only...his playoff debacles are well documented...and as you know all games in the post season are vs winning teams...playoffs are its own season where reid is 7-5...a solid record if it wasnt for the monster choke jobs...four of the five losses being in championship games...hes 1-4 in those games

anyway look it up..i will again if youd like...but his regular season record vs teams with winning records is i believe 16-30...this in an all time bad streak for the conference he plays in

if you want to include 1999, fine.

the eagles were 3-5 vs + 500, and 1-1 vs 8-8

i only seperate 8-8 because an optimist will say 500 or higher record, a pessimist will say above 500 when putting this record out there. so in total,

26-32 in games with teams that finished over .500 in the current season, is hardly atrocious.
9-9 vs .500 teams.

Your 16-30 record is just flat out dead wrong. fact. I don't need you to look anything up, because i did.

make this comparison, i'll pull out Bill Cowher and Bill Belichek's record.

[ice grillin you]

if you want to include 1999, fine.

the eagles were 3-5 vs + 500

they were 2-5 in 99

they were 16-30 or within a game or two of that overall...i checked it at work a few weeks ago and have the info there...actually they may be a tad better now with the run they went on to finsih this season...anyway the point is reid is a terrible game day coach especially against equal or better competition

[shorebird]

Shorebird, your 'everything is fine and McNabb and Reid are great' attitude is just as extreme and even more ridiculous.

Facts:
Reid took a team in disarray and brought them a calming stability.
Reid took a team in disarray and made them a dominant force in their division.
Reid had homefield advantage throughout the playoffs three straight years and won zero superbowls.
Reid headed up the offense of an Eagles team that had an intimidating defense and won zero superbowls.
No one anywhere would argue that the NFC was strong during Reid's tenure, yet he has been unable to get this team over the hump. Winning one conference title and zero superbowls.
His play calling has led directly to the franchise quarterback being open to hits more than necessary which in turn has led to the franchise quarterback being hurt in each of the past two seasons.
His play calling also led directly to a 6-10 season last year and a 5-6 start to this season, losing games against two teams led by rookie quarterbacks. Only once he handed over play-calling duty did the team get turned around.

He has some serious flaws and defending him tooth and nail is idiotic.

The only actual documented facts in your post are the 6-10 last year, this years start, and zero Superbowls. Most everyting else is opinion.

How long did it take Cowher to win a Superbowl?? How about a qb like Elway??

It's idiotic to defend him?? Like I said, to fire Reid after this season would make Lurie look like the biggest idiot in the NFL. Long as people diss him, I'll defend him. I didn't start this debate, but I can't sit around saying nothing when it is said that winning only lengthens Rieds tenure and that can't be good. It would be idiotic not to voice an opinion on that one.

[SunMo]

They see the few big games he has lost and tunnel vision sets in to were they can't see anything else.   

yeah, who cares about not being able to coach in those pesky NFCCGs, it's all those wins against the Quincy Carter's Cowboys and Mark Brunnell's taterskins we should all remember!

[Wingspan]

Cowher
vs +.500 = 55-61-1
vs .500 = 15-12


i'll get to belicheck tomorrow

[shorebird]

Shorebird, your 'everything is fine and McNabb and Reid are great' attitude is just as extreme and even more ridiculous.
He has some serious flaws and defending him tooth and nail is idiotic.

If you had read my post, you would see I'm not defending him tooth and nail. What I said was, "I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and see how things play out next year with McNabb back." I also have said earlier that if Reid comes back next year with his pass happy attitude, and is too hard headed to see what a balanced attack does for this team, then yes, I will call for his head.

Only an idiot would fire him now, or this post season. You don't fire him, you make him GM full time.

But it's all the same, anyone who doesn't agree with you is idiotic, even if there are facts to back up their half of a debate, just as there are facts to back up Rieds flaws.