Political Hippo Circle Jerk - America, farg YEAH!

[PhillyPhreak54]

Cruz and Palin and Bachmann have to speak at those train wrecks because those are their core base. Those are the people who buy that shtein hook line and sinker.

I hope Barry goes off on them like that MSNBS dude suggested. I mean a total in your face call out for those people who are screwing this company up.

I have to believe that the repubs will not allow this default to happen. Why? Because if it does then Wall St is taking a tumble and other than fear mongering and false statements what is number one on the red side of the aisle? Money.

[ice grillin you]

palin i could care less about...i dont know what she does...bachmann is not up for reelection

but cruz is a senator not a congressman...he isnt from some small gerrymandered house district...of course it is texas....still tho is that what america has come to....that you have a farging senator like this from the second biggest state n the country?....

jesus has the right gone off the rails

[PhillyPhreak54]

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/ok-fine-we-went-too-far-but-cut-us-some-slack

We won't be the last political party to overplay our hand. It might happen one day on the Democratic side. And if it did, would Republicans, for the good of the country, kinda give a little? We really did go too far. We screwed up. But their response is making things worse, not better.

[Rome]

Those bastiches took the country hostage and are facing an all-out assault from the American public and now they're begging for mercy?

farg.  Them.

Boot meet neck.  Put them the farg out of our misery.

[Diomedes]

There is a real risk of the Democrats playing their hand too strongly.  Reid can be brutal (thank God).  He needs to extract his pound of flesh but not two, because he's dealing with an irrational opponent here.  Get the job done: open the government, extend the debt ceiling, no strings attached.  Asking for more now that the Republicans are in a very weak position would stain the victory and really poison the water they all swim in,  or worse, it could gall the Republican whack jobs into a (figurative) suicidal fugue state that leads them to kill the deal and take the world into recession.

[phillycrew]

The Republicans own this debacle lock stock & barrel.

In addition to the points made already about how they've been angling for a shutdown/ultimatum on the budget and the debt ceiling, and how they've refused to go to committee with the budget the Senate passed at Republican spending levels, I would point out that despite every single reasonable authority on the matter, including many many Republicans and Conservatives, they abjectly refuse to consider any budget that includes a discussion of finding more Revenue. 

The consensus is clear:  cuts and Revenue must both happen in order to improve the economic situation.  Dems, including the President, have said, and shown by actions, a willingness to give some on entitlements, etc. but the Republicans won't talk unless Revenue is off the table.

The problem right now is a Republican one.  To say it's both sides is intellectually dishonest.  It's a false equivalent.

Also, this is going to utterly ruin the Republicans for a long time.  These extremists in the safe districts aren't going away in the house.  They'll keep farging the GOP until it splits and we get three parties for a while.  Dems, Republicans, and the American Taliban.  Eventually the latter group will die out/get voted out by changing demographics but in the meantime, the Dems will have a lot of powerfor a long time.

Not sure that's a good thing, to be honest.

I'm pretty unhappy with the political machine in Maryland.  I like how liberal we are, but I do NOT like how little debate there is, how few new ideas and new people bubble up in the system, etc.   I digress.

I think you are right and the Republicans get their asses handed to them in 2014.  The Dems will then push through immigration reform and basically guaranty a demographic shift that will ensure they will stay in power for the forseeable future.  The Obamacare entitlement will take hold and we ease slowly into a more european socialist state that brings with it all those advantages and disadvantages.  The dems cannot play their hand too strongly because they already control the media and the message (masses).  Defense will have to be cut and the debt will balloon to over $20 trillion.  Also, don't ask for new ideas comrade, the Party does not like dissent.

[Zanshin]

That's my problem with the parties, in general. It's always 100% about manufacturing the things to keep or get the parties in power and not about what's best for the country and the people. Hate. It.

[Sgt PSN]

people who believe stuff like the national parks talking point i dont know if i can even get mad at.....they are just so dumb that it cant be believed

It's amazing, isn't it?  The gov't is shut down.  There's a chance that the country might not be able to pay the interest on it's foreign loans for the 1st time in history.  People's jobs and livelihood are being impacted and there's a group of people out there who think that shutting down nat'l parks and memorials is the worst thing to come from all of this. 

Seriously....this is what they're upset about? 

[Rome]

The Republicans own this debacle lock stock & barrel.

In addition to the points made already about how they've been angling for a shutdown/ultimatum on the budget and the debt ceiling, and how they've refused to go to committee with the budget the Senate passed at Republican spending levels, I would point out that despite every single reasonable authority on the matter, including many many Republicans and Conservatives, they abjectly refuse to consider any budget that includes a discussion of finding more Revenue. 

The consensus is clear:  cuts and Revenue must both happen in order to improve the economic situation.  Dems, including the President, have said, and shown by actions, a willingness to give some on entitlements, etc. but the Republicans won't talk unless Revenue is off the table.

The problem right now is a Republican one.  To say it's both sides is intellectually dishonest.  It's a false equivalent.

Also, this is going to utterly ruin the Republicans for a long time.  These extremists in the safe districts aren't going away in the house.  They'll keep farging the GOP until it splits and we get three parties for a while.  Dems, Republicans, and the American Taliban.  Eventually the latter group will die out/get voted out by changing demographics but in the meantime, the Dems will have a lot of powerfor a long time.

Not sure that's a good thing, to be honest.

I'm pretty unhappy with the political machine in Maryland.  I like how liberal we are, but I do NOT like how little debate there is, how few new ideas and new people bubble up in the system, etc.   I digress.

I think you are right and the Republicans get their asses handed to them in 2014.  The Dems will then push through immigration reform and basically guaranty a demographic shift that will ensure they will stay in power for the forseeable future.  The Obamacare entitlement will take hold and we ease slowly into a more european socialist state that brings with it all those advantages and disadvantages.  The dems cannot play their hand too strongly because they already control the media and the message (masses).  Defense will have to be cut and the debt will balloon to over $20 trillion.  Also, don't ask for new ideas comrade, the Party does not like dissent.

Every Democrat I know thinks we need to reign in spending and increase taxes to get to a balanced budget.   Every one.

Is that a socialist ideal?

[phillycrew]

The Republicans own this debacle lock stock & barrel.

In addition to the points made already about how they've been angling for a shutdown/ultimatum on the budget and the debt ceiling, and how they've refused to go to committee with the budget the Senate passed at Republican spending levels, I would point out that despite every single reasonable authority on the matter, including many many Republicans and Conservatives, they abjectly refuse to consider any budget that includes a discussion of finding more Revenue. 

The consensus is clear:  cuts and Revenue must both happen in order to improve the economic situation.  Dems, including the President, have said, and shown by actions, a willingness to give some on entitlements, etc. but the Republicans won't talk unless Revenue is off the table.

The problem right now is a Republican one.  To say it's both sides is intellectually dishonest.  It's a false equivalent.

Also, this is going to utterly ruin the Republicans for a long time.  These extremists in the safe districts aren't going away in the house.  They'll keep farging the GOP until it splits and we get three parties for a while.  Dems, Republicans, and the American Taliban.  Eventually the latter group will die out/get voted out by changing demographics but in the meantime, the Dems will have a lot of powerfor a long time.

Not sure that's a good thing, to be honest.

I'm pretty unhappy with the political machine in Maryland.  I like how liberal we are, but I do NOT like how little debate there is, how few new ideas and new people bubble up in the system, etc.   I digress.

I think you are right and the Republicans get their asses handed to them in 2014.  The Dems will then push through immigration reform and basically guaranty a demographic shift that will ensure they will stay in power for the forseeable future.  The Obamacare entitlement will take hold and we ease slowly into a more european socialist state that brings with it all those advantages and disadvantages.  The dems cannot play their hand too strongly because they already control the media and the message (masses).  Defense will have to be cut and the debt will balloon to over $20 trillion.  Also, don't ask for new ideas comrade, the Party does not like dissent.

Every Democrat I know thinks we need to reign in spending and increase taxes to get to a balanced budget.   Every one.

Is that a socialist ideal?

Let's look at the Socialist Party Platform, shall we:

•We call for a steeply graduated income tax and a steeply graduated estate tax, and a maximum income of no more than ten times the minimum.  We oppose regressive taxes such as payroll tax, sales tax, and property taxes.
•We call for the restoration of the capital gains tax and luxury tax on a progressive, graduated scale.

For these reasons we call for social ownership and democratic control of productive resources, for a guarantee to all of the right to participate in societal production, and to a fair share of society's product, in accordance with individual needs.

My note:  I haven't heard much about reigning in spending from anyone.  Hard to imagine when we are ushering in the latest budget draining entitlement program.  I did hear about chained CPI and income test for social security.  I don't think those are big enough numbers but admit that I haven't researched the amounts that they would cut.
http://socialistparty-usa.net/platform.html

[rjs246]

There's this contradictory stance that's common on the right where they want the country to go back to the good old days but they also refuse to acknowledge that 'the good old days' included much much higher tax rates, especially on the wealthy. The supply side economics of the 80s, which have shown to be short-term stimulus and long-term disastrous, drove tax rates down to historically low levels and yet the right still howls about taxes being too high and cutting government spending and blah blah blah. If taxes were at the levels of the 50s or 60s our fiscal picture would look much better. If we didn't start multi-trillion dollar wars that had no defined end-game our fiscal picture would look much better.

The irony, as Rome has said, is that despite the fiscal problems that the right has caused with their recent decisions, the left still thinks that spending should come down and has historically brought spending down when Democrats are in office. So how does this fallacy that the right cares about America's fiscal situation continue to exist? It's infuriating.

[SunMo]

another sickening aspect of the obamacare is that people on the right act like people who would be benefiting from it are free loaders and only are without insurance because they are lazy.  someone on my facebook actually said the following:  "Health insurance is not a right, it's a privilege like having a driver's licence."   

[Sgt PSN]

Lol.  Living is not a right.  Unless you're a fetus.  After that, farg you. 

[ice grillin you]

people who believe stuff like the national parks talking point i dont know if i can even get mad at.....they are just so dumb that it cant be believed

It's amazing, isn't it?  The gov't is shut down.  There's a chance that the country might not be able to pay the interest on it's foreign loans for the 1st time in history.  People's jobs and livelihood are being impacted and there's a group of people out there who think that shutting down nat'l parks and memorials is the worst thing to come from all of this. 

Seriously....this is what they're upset about?

im talking about the part where they believe the president single handedly shut down the national parks....and not just that...also that he targeted the wwII memorial because he hates veterans

[Sgt PSN]

people who believe stuff like the national parks talking point i dont know if i can even get mad at.....they are just so dumb that it cant be believed

It's amazing, isn't it?  The gov't is shut down.  There's a chance that the country might not be able to pay the interest on it's foreign loans for the 1st time in history.  People's jobs and livelihood are being impacted and there's a group of people out there who think that shutting down nat'l parks and memorials is the worst thing to come from all of this. 

Seriously....this is what they're upset about?

im talking about the part where they believe the president single handedly shut down the national parks....and not just that...also that he targeted the wwII memorial because he hates veterans

Oh, I get what you were saying.  I'm just saying that even IF that were true....who farging cares about nat'l parks and memorials when there are far bigger issues at hand?

It's like being on a disabled cruise ship and getting pissed at the Captain because he closed the pool.