Political Hippo Circle Jerk - America, farg YEAH!

[Hawk]

No. The first round of QE didn't happen until after that September 2008 price cited.

Before that, inflation was occurring at what many economists will tell you is the optimal rate of growth for an economy...2.5% or so (And I'm pretty sure that's on the low end of optimal growth)


Forget it...you're a moron for trying to compare the price of gas in 2000 to the price of gas in 2008, or 2009, or 2012.

Why were liberals crying when gas hit 4 dollars under Bush, but it's now the new norm and it's acceptable?

Didn't Obama promise that some energy prices would necessarily sky-rocket as a result of his policies?
Gas was at 1.85 at the start of Bush's second term in 2005 as well. 

[Hawk]

It's ok though, judging from the post-debate polls no one is believing Barack's bull shtein anymore other than his liberal devotees. 

[Munson]

No.
http://www.factcheck.org/2012/03/obama-wanted-higher-gasoline-prices/


And no.

gallup breaks down regional support. East: Obama +4, Midwest: Obama +4, West: Obama +6, South: Obama -22

[Hawk]

Woah... the ever partisan fact check.  There's video of Obama stating that electricity prices would necessarily skyrocket as part of his policies.  Is electricity not considered energy anymore?

"So, it's conceivable that Governor Romney could bring down gas prices because with his policies, we might be back in that same mess."

So the only way to lower gas prices is to crash the economy. 

[Munson]

In today's world economy? Yes. The other ways are to have more effective competition from alternative energies. The price of Oil is not going anywhere because people (including us) make too much money exporting it to emerging economies.

[Hawk]

In today's world economy? Yes. The other ways are to have more effective competition from alternative energies. The price of Oil is not going anywhere because people (including us) make too much money exporting it to emerging economies.

Eliminating some of the moratoriums on offshore drillings and creating the Keystone pipeline ,would increase supply domestically, bringing down the price. 

A real effort to find alternative energy sources would work, but until then, we should explore and utilize all resources in our country. 

[Hawk]

On a lighter side, I thought both Romney and Obama had some funny one liners tonight at the Al Smith Dinner.

[Munson]

In today's world economy? Yes. The other ways are to have more effective competition from alternative energies. The price of Oil is not going anywhere because people (including us) make too much money exporting it to emerging economies.

Eliminating some of the moratoriums on offshore drillings and creating the Keystone pipeline ,would increase supply domestically, bringing down the price. 

A real effort to find alternative energy sources would work, but until then, we should explore and utilize all resources in our country.

Already producing and exporting (and supplying ourselves) at near all time high levels, stop repeating that myth.

And the keystone pipeline had nothing to do with increasing supply domestically. It was a fast lane for oil from the north to get to the ports on the Gulf. If we wanted to increase our supply domestically, we could just stop exporting so much oil, but that doesn't make as much money for the Oil industry, so...

[Eagles_Legendz]

hawk, no offense, but you're retarded.

Gas prices in September 2008 were $3.76.  Gas prices in November 2008 were $1.87.  Did Bush have a drastic change in policy which impacted oil prices?  Did anything happen in October of 2008 perhaps?  Oh, that's right, the banks failed.  Gas prices don't just fall by 50%.  The economy collapsed, banks collapsed, gas prices plummeted.  The end.

When Bush entered office in January 2001, the price was $1.47 per gallon

Bush inherited a recession.

http://gasbuddy.com/gb_retail_price_chart.aspx

When gas hit 4 dollars under Bush people went nuts, when it stays at 4 dollars consistently under Obama, it's acceptable.

I'd say it's "Not Optimal."

huh?

Presidential policy has little to do with gas prices in the short term.  Be it Bush or Obama.  The Dems were lying through their teeth early in 08 blaming it on Bush.  The GOP is doing the same thing now. 

That being said, you said what Obama said regarding gas prices was incorrect.  It isn't.  Prices tanked because the banks collapsed.  That is what happened.  There is direct causation in October of 08.

[Eagles_Legendz]

Woah... the ever partisan fact check.  There's video of Obama stating that electricity prices would necessarily skyrocket as part of his policies.  Is electricity not considered energy anymore?

"So, it's conceivable that Governor Romney could bring down gas prices because with his policies, we might be back in that same mess."

So the only way to lower gas prices is to crash the economy.

I mean gas prices can conceivably be lowered, but that isn't the point really.  People act like gas prices have seen a significant jump under Obama -- they haven't.  They were the same as Bush's last year or so in office.  They only dipped because of the meltdown in Oct of 08.  Until serious alternatives are found, this is the new normal price wise.  Things may fluctuate some, Romney may even be able to bring them down a tad (I doubt it but I don't know enough to factually dispute that), but people need to realize on both sides that the presidency has limited impact on gasoline prices. 

The GOP is playing word games when they say prices have doubled under Obama.  They've doubled from the November price when the banks collapsed and the economy fell apart.  That was the aberration though.  The norm was all the other months preceding that year when prices were the same/higher than they were now.  To act like they've just skyrocketed to unprecedented heights under Obama is patently false, but I'm finding with the GOP right now facts somehow have become subjective.

[Eagles_Legendz]

In today's world economy? Yes. The other ways are to have more effective competition from alternative energies. The price of Oil is not going anywhere because people (including us) make too much money exporting it to emerging economies.

Eliminating some of the moratoriums on offshore drillings and creating the Keystone pipeline ,would increase supply domestically, bringing down the price. 

A real effort to find alternative energy sources would work, but until then, we should explore and utilize all resources in our country.

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2012/03/22/20-experts-who-say-drilling-wont-lower-gas-pric/184040

It's a nice talking point but I think you're deluding yourself if you believe the pipeline is going to impact domestic prices.

But then again, what do these group of hacks know about energy policy?

http://www.igmchicago.org/igm-economic-experts-panel/poll-results?SurveyID=SV_6WobHKFEZbGbS84

probably not much those liberal elite snobs.

[ice grillin you]

Republican Rep. Joe Walsh, running against Democratic challenger Tammy Duckworth in Illinois, told reporters Thursday night that there should be no abortion exception for the "life of the mother" because "with modern technology and science, you can't find one instance" in which a woman would actually die, according to a radio station. Walsh, of course, is flat wrong.

"There is no such exception as life of the mother, and as far as health of the mother, same thing," Walsh continued. The comments were first reported by the Illinois radio station WGN.

"There is no such exception as life of the mother, and as far as health of the mother, same thing, with advances in science and technology," Walsh said.

[Rome]

Hilarity

[PhillyGirl]

No. More like rage.

[Rome]

Well, that too, but mostly LOL'ing at anyone stupid enough to vote for these ridiculous piles of feces.