Political Hippo Circle Jerk - America, farg YEAH!

[Munson]

Actually today's argument is about Obama circumventing Congress.

Also you can't really bitch about the Patriot Act and then be an Obama cheerleader...

actually I am living proof of someone who supports some of what obama does and is still at the same time completely disgusted with his use of the patriot act....doesn't make romney or any other republican any more appealing though

[rjs246]

Same here. This is the advantage of actually thinking about things. You don't have to pick a side and root for that side without question. You can actually make your own decisions based on information and agree or disagree with anyone on anything. Who knew?

I support a lot of what Obama does. I disagree with a lot of what he does. He's so much more palatable than any of the GOP options I've seen that he will get my vote again. And yet, after I vote for him, I will still disagree with him on certain things. Amazing.

[ice grillin you]

Thing is, all these "good people", most of them don't want to be legal, period. I know, I'm around them all the time. They don't want to have to pay taxes.

wait so you make these people feel so comfortable when they are around you that they admit they are illegal immigrants and on top of that tell you how they wanna farg america

because in my experience with illegal immigrants ive always found that they would basically rather cut a limb off than admit to someone that they are here illegally...to then brag about it to a xenophobic elder white seems failry unbelievable to me

i suspect you are blatantly lying to prove your backasswards attitude on immigration but maybe its just me

Also you can't really bitch about the Patriot Act and then be an Obama cheerleader...

i dont know a single progressive who is a barry cheerleader....hes been a B- president at best...just because the right has gone off the reservation in the last ten years and is an incredibly frightening alternative doesnt make someone a barry cheerleader

[ice grillin you]

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entries/obama-scolds-reporter-who-interrupted-him

President Barack Obama's administration announced Friday that it would stop deporting younger illegal immigrants and would begin granting them work permits.

The policy will apply to immigrants younger than 30 who arrived in the U.S. before the age of 16, have been in the country at least five years, have no criminal history and graduated from high school, earned a GED or served in the military. The decision could affect as many as 800,000 immigrants.

"Our nation's immigration laws must be enforced in a firm and sensible manner," Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano said in a statement. "But they are not designed to be blindly enforced without consideration given to the individual circumstances of each case. Nor are they designed to remove productive young people to countries where they may not have lived or even speak the language. Discretion, which is used in so many other areas, is especially justified here."

DHS said it will continued to "focus its enforcement resources on the removal of individuals who pose a national security or public safety risk, including immigrants convicted of crimes, violent criminals, felons, and repeat immigration law offenders."

Napolitano told reporters on Friday that the new policy did not amount to amnesty.

Senior administration officials admitted that the deferral waivers, which would have to be renewed every two years, would allow a future administration to treat the same population differently.

[shorebird]

i suspect you are blatantly lying to prove your backasswards attitude on immigration but maybe its just me

You're right, it's just you.

[shorebird]

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entries/obama-scolds-reporter-who-interrupted-him


President Barack Obama's administration announced Friday that it would stop deporting younger illegal immigrants and would begin granting them work permits.

The policy will apply to immigrants younger than 30 who arrived in the U.S. before the age of 16, have been in the country at least five years, have no criminal history and graduated from high school, earned a GED or served in the military. The decision could affect as many as 800,000 immigrants.

"Our nation's immigration laws must be enforced in a firm and sensible manner," Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano said in a statement. "But they are not designed to be blindly enforced without consideration given to the individual circumstances of each case. Nor are they designed to remove productive young people to countries where they may not have lived or even speak the language. Discretion, which is used in so many other areas, is especially justified here."

DHS said it will continued to "focus its enforcement resources on the removal of individuals who pose a national security or public safety risk, including immigrants convicted of crimes, violent criminals, felons, and repeat immigration law offenders."

Napolitano told reporters on Friday that the new policy did not amount to amnesty.

Senior administration officials admitted that the deferral waivers, which would have to be renewed every two years, would allow a future administration to treat the same population differently.

You won't want to believe it, but I'm in agreement with this.

[Sgt PSN]

1. Write your congressman, but until the laws are changed don't bitch when they're enforced.

Holy hell.  How do you not see the ignorance in your thought process?  It's a rhetorical question, I know.  But for the love of farg, do you really believe this crap?  Wouldn't writing to my congressman be considered a form of bitching?  In fact, the only way a law gets changed in this country is when people start bitching about it.  Slavery wasn't abolished just because Lincoln woke up one morning and decided it was a bad idea.  I'm pretty sure a few people got together and complained about it first.  I guess the Civil Rights movement was a bunch of uppity negros who were just bitching, too, right?  And that damn Boston Tea Party.  All that whining they did about being taxed by England.  They definitely should have been sending letters to Parliament.  And the Women's Strike for Equality....yeah, those bitches should have been more concerned about having dinner on the table when their husbands got home.  They should have been writing letters...but not to their congressman.  They should have been sending recipes and tips on how to remove grass or ink stains to Better Housekeeping.   

2. Really? Democrats have been wanting to rewrite the constitution for years. It has nothing to do with immigration law.

I don't even know what this means or how this applies to the conversation. 

3. Name calling? Really? My whole reason for illegals to get documented is so they can pay taxes like the rest of us, pay S.S., stop getting medical care that they aren't entitled too, get paid a regular wage so employers can't cut the throat of competitors, were the farg have you been? I don't care what you think or what you read from a liberal media, they don't.Thing is, all these "good people", most of them don't want to be legal, period. I know, I'm around them all the time. They don't want to have to pay taxes.

So what you're saying is that you'd be fine with immigration reform?  You want them in the system just like the rest of us, right?  Because if that's the case, then why the hell are you bitching about the idea of reform in the first place?  And because you come in contact with a very small number of illegals who don't want citizenship or to pay taxes, you're going to come to the conclusion that "most of them" must feel the same way.  You'll sit there and bitch about IGY with his broad generalizations but somehow it's ok for you to do the same?  You're a farging joke. 

As far as you not thinking I'm the person I seemed to be before, whenever, thanks. I don't agree with your political way of thinking so I'm an ignorant farg? That alone says a lot more about you and what kind of person you are than it ever will me.

You're not ignorant because you disagree with me.  You're ignorant because you refuse to educate yourself and look at things from a broader perspective.  You live in your little bubble and can't comprehend anything outside of the limited experiences you have.  I can guarantee you that if nothing else, I am by far the most open minded person on this board.  I'm definitely not the smartest but I make up for that by trying to look at things from as many angles and perspectives as possible to at least get an understanding of how people feel about something.  Ignorance is defined as lacking knowledge.  I'll take it a step further and say that a person isn't ignorant just because they don't know something, it's because they refuse to learn about it.  And the fact that you are so obtuse in your comments (It's the LAW!, Quit bitching until the law is changed., etc) shows that not only do you you have absolutely no desire to educate yourself on something, but that you feel that a 60 year old law is still the most logical means of doing something.  If you can't see the need for changing a lot of things in this country because many of the existing laws and policies are outdated, then you're just living in the past and refusing to open your eyes and see things for what they really are.  Or shortly put....ignorant. 

[SD]

Same here. This is the advantage of actually thinking about things. You don't have to pick a side and root for that side without question. You can actually make your own decisions based on information and agree or disagree with anyone on anything. Who knew?

For instance, someone who is a Democrat but doesn't believe in Climate Change.

[rjs246]

Well, now that I know the Unabomber believes in climate change my whole world is upside down.

[Diomedes]

cross post from the immigration thread because because

I'm reading Orwell's Down and Out in Paris and London right now and came across this passage, which made me think of this thread, and of shore's complaint about "illegals."

*describing a tramp in London in the late 1920's, Orwell writes:

Self-pity was the clue to his character.  The thought of his bad luck never seemed to leave him for an instant...And he had a low, worm-like envy of anyone who was better off--not of the rich, for they were beyond his social horizon, but of men in work.  He pined for work as an artist pines to be famous.  If he saw an old man working he would say bitterly, "Look at dat old _____ keepin' able-bodied men out o' work"; or if it was a boy, "It's dem young devils what's takin' de bread out of our mouths."  And all foreigners to him were "dem bloody dagoes"--for, according to his theory, foreigners were responsible for unemployment."

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* page 152 of the Harcourt paperback edition

[Sgt PSN]

Since it was written about 80 years ago, I assume that Shore will be in full agreement with it. 

[shorebird]

1. Write your congressman, but until the laws are changed don't bitch when they're enforced.

Holy hell.  How do you not see the ignorance in your thought process?  It's a rhetorical question, I know.  But for the love of farg, do you really believe this crap?  Wouldn't writing to my congressman be considered a form of bitching?  In fact, the only way a law gets changed in this country is when people start bitching about it.  Slavery wasn't abolished just because Lincoln woke up one morning and decided it was a bad idea.  I'm pretty sure a few people got together and complained about it first.  I guess the Civil Rights movement was a bunch of uppity negros who were just bitching, too, right?  And that damn Boston Tea Party.  All that whining they did about being taxed by England.  They definitely should have been sending letters to Parliament.  And the Women's Strike for Equality....yeah, those bitches should have been more concerned about having dinner on the table when their husbands got home.  They should have been writing letters...but not to their congressman.  They should have been sending recipes and tips on how to remove grass or ink stains to Better Housekeeping.   

2. Really? Democrats have been wanting to rewrite the constitution for years. It has nothing to do with immigration law.

I don't even know what this means or how this applies to the conversation. 

3. Name calling? Really? My whole reason for illegals to get documented is so they can pay taxes like the rest of us, pay S.S., stop getting medical care that they aren't entitled too, get paid a regular wage so employers can't cut the throat of competitors, were the farg have you been? I don't care what you think or what you read from a liberal media, they don't.Thing is, all these "good people", most of them don't want to be legal, period. I know, I'm around them all the time. They don't want to have to pay taxes.

So what you're saying is that you'd be fine with immigration reform?  You want them in the system just like the rest of us, right?  Because if that's the case, then why the hell are you bitching about the idea of reform in the first place?  And because you come in contact with a very small number of illegals who don't want citizenship or to pay taxes, you're going to come to the conclusion that "most of them" must feel the same way.  You'll sit there and bitch about IGY with his broad generalizations but somehow it's ok for you to do the same?  You're a farging joke. 

As far as you not thinking I'm the person I seemed to be before, whenever, thanks. I don't agree with your political way of thinking so I'm an ignorant farg? That alone says a lot more about you and what kind of person you are than it ever will me.

You're not ignorant because you disagree with me.  You're ignorant because you refuse to educate yourself and look at things from a broader perspective.  You live in your little bubble and can't comprehend anything outside of the limited experiences you have.  I can guarantee you that if nothing else, I am by far the most open minded person on this board.  I'm definitely not the smartest but I make up for that by trying to look at things from as many angles and perspectives as possible to at least get an understanding of how people feel about something.  Ignorance is defined as lacking knowledge.  I'll take it a step further and say that a person isn't ignorant just because they don't know something, it's because they refuse to learn about it.  And the fact that you are so obtuse in your comments (It's the LAW!, Quit bitching until the law is changed., etc) shows that not only do you you have absolutely no desire to educate yourself on something, but that you feel that a 60 year old law is still the most logical means of doing something.  If you can't see the need for changing a lot of things in this country because many of the existing laws and policies are outdated, then you're just living in the past and refusing to open your eyes and see things for what they really are.  Or shortly put....ignorant. 

Wow. You're in the military, and you think you know all about illegal immigrants from what you read online and hear from CNN. I'm in construction, listen and read news everyday, but you claim I don't have a broad perspective, and don't want to educate myself on the subject. And then, you compare immigration to slavery and the civil rights movement. All this from the guy who claimed that illegals are working for less than half minimum wage. Is there a shaking head smiley??

Come down off your soap box. I've complained about illegals and the situation as it stands, never about reform. But my opinion isn't on par with yours, so I'm racist, and ignorant farg, and haven't educated myself on the subject, live in the past, and I'm a joke. I'd say that you have no idea what is really going on. You find an article about a group of highly educated and respected illegals, so you post it because you think I want them deported also. Hows that different from what you claim is a small group that I work around?

You're so far left you're getting ready to fall off the edge. Why is it most all democrats seem to not be able to have a disagreement without stooping to name calling, or throwing the race card out there, or saying someone doesn't know enough about the subject to even comment?

[Rome]

Don't bitch about unjust laws... wait, I mean just bitch about them to your congressmen and * hope * they're changed.  Yeah.

Awesome.

[Sgt PSN]

The fact that Shore Bird thinks I'm "far to the left" tells me that he's either never read anything I've ever posted or he's so far to the right, that he thinks being the moderate/centrist/whatever it is I am is to the far left.  I'm all about taking the common sense approach to things, something which the extreme sides of both parties severely lack.
 

[shorebird]

Don't bitch about unjust laws... wait, I mean just bitch about them to your congressmen and * hope * they're changed.  Yeah.

Awesome.

What other oulet do the people have other than the vote? Also, I'm curious, what is it about immigration laws that are unjust?